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bax
March 22, 2007, 04:04 AM
The chapter 347 is out!! Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10552)

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Done downloading? Well, you guys know the drill.

Predict away what you guys think going to happened in chapter 438 :amuse

But please remember, stay friendly and no spamming ^^

ikuroi
March 22, 2007, 04:24 AM
the chakra the girl felt was either someone from akatsuki or kabuto, or someone that got realeased! I hope it was Itachi who was there to retrieve the ring.

bennibb
March 22, 2007, 05:21 AM
Sooo Sasuke want her becouse she can sense Chakra on a long distance??? Maybe she can "smell" Itachi out. Dont think we gonna se more Naruto traning before he knows Oro is "dead". Woudnt make sanse if that was the case. Getting rings back have to come soon. If not... Then the rings was nothing but a ring

Tias
March 22, 2007, 05:42 AM
Wow....this...i really didn't expect what happendto happen o.O
Now the theory of suigetsu being sai's brother is broken down. finnaly, i dont like it when people run around making theorys or who the person is just from seeing the back of their head....

well this guy, hmmm, he dosnt look to ugly, i just dont like his teeth, he looks like he seriously is half something(he kinda reminds me of a person from 666 Satan, some guy with iron teeth)

oh well, it seems like sasuke WILL be getting other people with him....

the next one will be a girl....and i also think i know the elements

Sasuke: Fire, Lightning
Suigetsu: Water
I dont know , but yeah, he might be getting the others, and each with their own kind chakra type, or atleast special ability....

I hope the girl that will join him will look more normal and cute/sexy?
sicne there is barely any GOOD females, or atleast ones that we see fighting....

we have seen sakura, and about everything she can
Ino, only abit
Hinata, nothing, but we can imagen it will be things simulair to Neji, and less stronger then him
and then Tsunade, but sakura is like a copy of her...so i hope the new female will be quite the something

i can imagen the other person of being a guy, but the name sounsd as if it's going to be a female....


well yeah, they are heading to the northern place now....

and the next place will be where?
i wonder if it's a place he has been to with the others

Lithium_Kigen
March 22, 2007, 06:14 AM
Hee hee first of all.... THAK YOU KISHIMOTO FOR THAT BOY TO BOY ACTION! Now we all know what Sakura is thinking now.

Anyways, I think bennibb has a point. that person may possibly be able to sense chakra. Maybe she'll be pretty who knows, but if you remember, Orochimaru likes to do wierd stuff to his experiments (example: fish girl in the filler ep) but then again who knows.

Naruto will prob start to train again, or that they may have to go into a mission.

As Tias was explaining that Sasuke may be recruiting his new team with different types of elemental abilities, I think the girl has the element of Earth or a psyhic :shrugs:

sorry if i'm talking all mumbo jumbo but i'm tired so nite!!

juUnior
March 22, 2007, 06:18 AM
I predcit next step in recruiting people by Saske.. it's somewhat funny on the other hand ^^ Maybe another moitv with yaoi <joking only ;p>
Yeah, probably two new memebrs will be added to team Saske, or maybe they will fight.. no matters what will happen, it will be probably with Saske stuff ^^

Lithium_Kigen
March 22, 2007, 06:59 AM
I predcit next step in recruiting people by Saske.. it's somewhat funny on the other hand ^^ Maybe another moitv with yaoi <joking only ;p>
Yeah, probably two new memebrs will be added to team Saske, or maybe they will fight.. no matters what will happen, it will be probably with Saske stuff ^^
But you do have to admit, Konohamaru is a genious to use those two XD

dfcarolinaguy
March 22, 2007, 07:02 AM
I predict sasuke will get more people to join his group, and the atasuki will be getting the rings back.

bennibb
March 22, 2007, 07:16 AM
What was the Shocking truth in this episode? Nothing here was that shocking. Didnt the prev episode say Next: Shocking truth? Maybe its comming later on. As for Naruto continuing his training... Hmm He dont know Oro is gone. And those 3 years are spent more the less. So he should hurry to confront Sasuke again. All he knows is what Sasuke said to him last time. "gladly give my life over and bla bla" So he must either get that info somehow... Or rush out to "save" him again. No time to play here Naruto

matsyes
March 22, 2007, 07:22 AM
I predict that sakura puts her heart and mind to learning kage bunshin after she saw the possibilities!!!!
But seriously i agree with the theory that the girl's face is either very similar to someone we know or it is some one we know ...which is why kishi hid it also next chapter will show naruto healed and he'll be like as good as new and start to train again ...while most of the story will go in sasuke's progress in the story contating the girl some backstory and so on...

Darkwolfere
March 22, 2007, 07:34 AM
I think Suigetsu is somewhat related to Zabuza..

Their teeth are the same... Zabuza had somewhat the same type of teeth.. shark-like, if you will.

Tias
March 22, 2007, 07:49 AM
I predict that sakura puts her heart and mind to learning kage bunshin after she saw the possibilities!!!!
But seriously i agree with the theory that the girl's face is either very similar to someone we know or it is some one we know ...which is why kishi hid it also next chapter will show naruto healed and he'll be like as good as new and start to train again ...while most of the story will go in sasuke's progress in the story contating the girl some backstory and so on...

why do people go around saying this?

suigestsu's face as also hidden when we saw his back on that other chapter, and want someone we've seen before....

Besides, WHO could it be anyway if it was someone they knew off or had met before?

maybe haku who thinks he is a girl and acts like one now?
dont make me laugh ok?


i bet this is a girl we've nevr seen beore...but as it was said somewhere.....orochimaru always did something weird to those he had caged in.....and infact, this makes me wonder something.....
suigetsu said that sasuke was luckly to be his favorite, and not being caged in, and that sooner or later one of them would have killed him anyway....this makes me think that all of the people orochimaru has captured, where in some way infact stronger then him, why else cage them?

Koen
March 22, 2007, 08:34 AM
I think, but I am not sure, that the last woman in the latest chapter is one of those sasuke wants in his team. I hope suigetsu can teach us more about the seven lengendary swordsmen. I think that we can not underestimate the people oro caged, it must have been for a reason. Kimimaro prolly would have been caged too if he had an anger towards oro and if he wasn't sick. I think that those others two, as for suigetsu, will all be bloodline limited shinobis (oro seemed to have a love for that)

Uru
March 22, 2007, 09:04 AM
I predict sasuke will get more people to join his group, and the atasuki will be getting the rings back.


I agree..

And i think what Sasuke will try to attack Akatsuki.But He know this fact..
If he try himself to found Akatsuki.. no way for him.. Then better build a band before... http://digilander.libero.it/urulandia/Uru.htm/lol3.gif


Regards

Uchiha Slayer
March 22, 2007, 10:43 AM
Well the obvious thing we'll find out is this new girl identity and second we'll find out her relationship with orochimaru. Since kishi has put the story in fast forward, we might see some Akutsuki reaction to kakuzu and hidan defeat. But we'll definately see the new girl identity.

ITACHIWIFE
March 22, 2007, 10:47 AM
no wait no wait yes

Mendes
March 22, 2007, 10:49 AM
I predict that sakura puts her heart and mind to learning kage bunshin after she saw the possibilities!!!!

hahahah couldnt agree more!


I think that those others two, as for suigetsu, will all be bloodline limited shinobis (oro seemed to have a love for that)

about that i dont think that way... coz if oro had caged people with blodline limits he would have used them in the last soul transfer 2 and a half years ago(as u said he loved bloodline limits).
as for the women who appeared in the last page, i think she's a new character... there's nothing who leads otherwise. we havent seen any female ninja who dresses like that and who could be outside konoha. i also dont think that her good sense of chakra is her ability. most of ninjas feel when a powerful or characteristic chakra comes near. at most i can admit her sense is good... thats all about it.
for the next chapter, i think it'll be similar to the previous in the way it'll be mostly filled with sasuke and his new crew. if we're lucky we may see a glimpse of akatsuki's reaction of their loss as well as their plans for the near future. i'm still expecting kabuto to react anyway

duells
March 22, 2007, 10:50 AM
first of all i was sad when i read that sasuke defeated oro. i think it was more of luck then skill. oro being one of my favorite characters.but i like where the comic is heading now.
first off i think every one that was caged could have been caged because eventually when oro was done with sasukes body it would transfer to them for there skills. and second what will happen with kabuto now. will he join with sasuke, will he be a loner, or will he try to help naruto defeat sasuke.
also if kabuto left oro base what to say he didn't take the oro's ring with him.

erikrhys
March 22, 2007, 10:53 AM
he is probably making a 4 man team, to counter naruto. and maybe he justs wants to see how much he has grown, like a test.

ITACHIWIFE
March 22, 2007, 11:01 AM
nosebleed (you know what i mean)

i predict action in the next one

donkeyhigh
March 22, 2007, 11:30 AM
Here's my prediction for further chapters:

Naruto and the gang will go take out a few Akatsuki, then suddenly Itachi and the Shark-dude is in front of them.

Shark-dude starts fighting Sai and Sakura.


Itachi: Hmpf, you've gotten stronger Naruto-kun. But you're still no match for an Uchia-genious.
Naruto: Spare all your chit-chat till after the match is over! You're going DOWN!
Itachi: Still just a brat in mind though. *flinches and is suddenly standing behind Naruto*
Naruto: ?!
Itachi: This is it, the 9-tailed Fox is now ours! *Get's ready to strike a jutsu on Naruto*

*phoff!* His hands are stopped, and Itachi freezes*
We see the fighting-area from a higher angle and can see Sasuke standing in the mist in front of them

Sasuke: That's as far as you go, brother. Now die!
Itachi: ...this jutsu! how?! *captured in Gen-jutsu*
Sasuke: There are other ways of completing the Sharingan, you are nothing close to a genious. I will show you the true powers of the Uchia!
Kakashi: !!
Naruto: .... Sas..
Sakura: uke..
*Itachi gets out of the Gen-jutsu*
Itachi: *coughs* Heh, little brother, do you understand who you are talking too? You should respect your elders.
Sasuke: I will never show any respect, nor symphaty for a simple-minded slayer like you. I won't hold back.
Itachi: Heh. It seems you've atleast learned something from me. Show me what you've learned. Let's go!

*Awsome fighting-scene starts* - Sasuke is badly beaten, and Itachi is getting tired.

Itachi: You've gotten stronger, allot stronger. How does it feel? All this power? This is what the Uchia's once were, before they ended up like the likes of ordinary half-assed "ninjas".
Sasuke: I couldn't care less, all I want is for you to die!
Naruto: FUUTON: RASENSHURI.. *Sasuke interferes*
Sasuke: STOP!
Naruto: ?!
Sasuke: This is between me and my brother. This is my destiny.
Naruto: All you ever say is destiny this, fate that. You're loosing! You need my help! We're supposed to be a team! That's what teams do, they help each others!
Sasuke: *turns towards Naruto, screaming of the top of his lungs* I'M NOT IN YOUR TEAM!
Naruto: I don't care what you say, you'll always be my friend, and on Team-7. We've never given up on you, and we've always tried to find you. You are a part of us! Can't you understand that?!
Sasuke: ..*shocked* ...(in a good way :p )
Kakashi: Well, now that that's setteled, let's take care of Itachi. *opens his Sharingan, enables Mangeku Sharingan*
Sasuke/Itachi: *WTF?!*

Itachi: Hrmpf, it seems I'm outnumbered, what a discusting way to end this fight between brothers. *runs away*
Sasuke: HE GOT AWAY! *follows but can't find him*
Naruto: It's okay, we'll get him nex..
Sasuke: SHUT UP! You're always in my way, if you hadn't been there I could've taken him without him running away!
Naruto: Sasuke..
Sasuke: Just.. get away from me! I don't want anything to do with you, Team-7 or Konoha, do you understand dumbass? You were always slow, but God damnit, get it through your thick skull, I don't want any help or anything to do with you! We're not friends any more! *grabs injured stomach* Aaahh.. *falls over*

Sakura: Oh my God, he's injured. *runs over to help him*
Sasuke: (on ground) Get away!! *tries to stand up, but falls down and passes out*
Sakura: We have to get him to the hospital!!
Kakashi: That might not be all that easy, he's still a fugutive in Konoha, he's an escaped ninja.
Naruto: What?! He's Sasuke-kun, he's our friend, we cant just leave him here!!
Kakashi: These are the rules we Shinobi have to follow!
Naruto: SCREW THE RULES!
Kakashi: *thinks back to Obito*

Flashback: Obito.
Obito: Of course.. those who breaks the rules and regulations are called trash... But.. Those who don't care about their companions are even worse trash! *looks up* I believe the White Fang was a true hero!

Flashback: Training-ground.
Kakashi: If you want these bells, you have to work as a team!

Back to current situation:

Kakashi: Heh, *smiles*.. I guess we can take him to Tsunade for special treatment in a secured buildning!
Naruto: Yeah! .. for a minute there it almost seemed like you wouldn't help him.. Kakashi-sensei..
Kakashi: No.. *thinks about Zabusa-fight* I told you earlier, I will never let anyone on my team die in action.
Sakura: I've stabilized him for now, but he needs more help. *ends medical jutsu* We have to start moving!



Something like that.
Then they get him back to Konoha, and seals his chakra temporarily so they can ask him about Orochimaru. While he's walking around in Konoha, he notices that his chakra's back, but still doesn't leave. Sasuke pretends he's unable to use his powers in order to talk with Naruto and Sakura without someone always being scared about him going crazy or something :p

Then he tells Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi that he's going after Itachi, and asks Team-7 for help one last time.
Sai pops out of nowhere, and says: Of course, that's what friends are for. Isn't it, Naruto-kun? I read that somewhere...
Naruto: *smiles* Of course. We're glad to have you back Sasuke. I never lost faith in you.
Sasuke: Heh, you could actually become a good Hokage..
Naruto: Of course! I'm the best ninja ever!
Sasuke: Suuureee.. *gets ready to sparr with a friendly smile on his face*
Kakashi: *thinks* Heh, Naruto.. Really.. You have a special gift of making people your friend..
Kakashi: So, I guess that's it then, Team-7 is back! Sasuke-kun, meet your new teammate, Sai.
Sai: I've heard allot about you, non-stop actually. It seems you're all these guys think about.
Sasuke: Oh, sorry you had to hear so much about me, anyway, I'm glad for all the help I can get. Good to meet you, Sai.
Kakashi: *looks at Naruto and Sasuke standing next to each other* *thinks* Heh, all he needed was a few days with his old friends, and he realized how much he missed them. I guess that's part of Naruto's gift. But I should probably still keep an eye on him, thought he seems sincerly glad to be back. This could get interesting.

Hm, I could probably keep writing different thoughts for ever, but this one would be cool.
Althought it's way to spesific, but still.. Something like this.. :)

That's my prediction.

cerventus
March 22, 2007, 12:21 PM
the Secret is Sakura loves to see Sasuke and Sai....

I dont think that gal sense Sasuke's chakra...must be an akastuki member like zetsu.

*Mel*
March 22, 2007, 12:40 PM
OMG It seems that Kishi is getting too perv. XD
I think that probably Sasuke is after a team or something and Maybe that girl wants to kill sasuke or something

dfcarolinaguy
March 22, 2007, 01:03 PM
umm, i believe that girl senses atasuki member as well????

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 01:13 PM
The girl is definitely interesting. I predict she and Sasuke will resurrect the Uchiha clan... XD

erikrhys
March 22, 2007, 01:25 PM
but we arnt entirely sure that the chick is even a chick? and sasuke might not care about reviving the clan so much as he cares about his revenge. And he may use the "chick" to revive the clan, but i doubt he will fall in love, seems a bit over-rated for sasuke

kyubisharingan
March 22, 2007, 01:57 PM
ok, we will see the new chick....as if that wasnt already said...and then we will learn more on Suigetsu and Zabuza.....and NO MO YAOI!!!!!!!!!

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 02:26 PM
but we arnt entirely sure that the chick is even a chick? and sasuke might not care about reviving the clan so much as he cares about his revenge. And he may use the "chick" to revive the clan, but i doubt he will fall in love, seems a bit over-rated for sasuke

I don't doubt Sasuke's capacity to love. But I agree with you to the extent that his main objective right now is his revenge. So yeah, he doesn't have time for girls at this point. But, should he survive the final showdown with Itachi, he may want to revive his clan, being that he stated as much in the beginnig of the series. It won't necessarily be the mystery "chick" (it is indeed a chick) at the end of the chapter, but a girl is definitely needed for such a thing >_> ....

erikrhys
March 22, 2007, 02:47 PM
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how do we even know that sasuke has a penis? (lol) but seriously, the clan cannot be brought back, there are only men left, and i dont believe you can just join the clan, dont you have to be born into it?

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 03:00 PM
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how do we even know that sasuke has a penis? (lol) but seriously, the clan cannot be brought back, there are only men left, and i dont believe you can just join the clan, dont you have to be born into it?

That's what I'm saying. Sasuke will produce offspring with someone. Those offspring will inherit the Uchiha blood and Sharingan from Sasuke. Sasuke, and the woman of his choosing, will simply lay the foundation for which the Uchiha clan will be rebuilt upon. It will take years for the Uchiha to thrive (in numbers) as they once did, but it's a start.

Edit: Maybe Sasuke will take more than one wife to get things going faster >_>

erikrhys
March 22, 2007, 03:14 PM
i mean to keep the clan "pure" doesnt he need to hook up with someone else in the clan? and since there are no more female members, the clan is doomed right?

inugami
March 22, 2007, 03:18 PM
Ah, yes I can see this clan rebirth already:

Scene takes place at Konoha hospital!
Doc: Congratulations mr. Uchiha, its a....ammm...baby!
Hands babe to Sasuke
The surprisingly pale baby, that was born with purple eye makeup, raises his middle finger, stretches out his cutesy tongue and exclaims!
Kukuku...pawned sucker!

16 years later...a family scene in the Uchiha house
Sakura cooking lunch, while her youngest daughter Chibby-chan swallows her pet hamster as an appetiser, the twins (boy and a girl) fight who gets to wear the cutesy flower kimono and the eldest son Orochitachi disappearing again into the cellar to do his experiments (homework mom!)


But yeah, I always wondered if the Uchihas used to marry inside the clan! Sasukes parents both seamed to be Uchiha!

erikrhys
March 22, 2007, 03:21 PM
yea, so doesnt he need to hook up with an uchiha to keep the clan "clean of unpure blood"?

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 03:29 PM
yea, so doesnt he need to hook up with an uchiha to keep the clan "clean of unpure blood"?

That's another point. Being that there are no known female Uchiha left (who knows, maybe one will be revealed later in the series), what choice is there but to do with what he's got. And another point in the "rebirth" of the Uchiha. As I stated previously, Sasuke will lay the foundation, but years later, the Uchihas could breed with existing Uchiha to reform a "pure-blood" clan.
On a side note, I don't know if it even matters if both parents are "pure-bloods," just as long as the offspring inherits the kekkei genkai from one parent. I don't know the finite details.

inugami
March 22, 2007, 03:35 PM
Well, in Hakus case only his mother had a bloodline limit. His father was a farmer or something, so he probably couldn't even use his chakra and Haku still inherited the bloodline limit!

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 03:40 PM
Ah, yes I can see this clan rebirth already:

Scene takes place at Konoha hospital!
Doc: Congratulations mr. Uchiha, its a....ammm...baby!
Hands babe to Sasuke
The surprisingly pale baby, that was born with purple eye makeup, raises his middle finger, stretches out his cutesy tongue and exclaims!
Kukuku...pawned sucker!

16 years later...a family scene in the Uchiha house
Sakura cooking lunch, while her youngest daughter Chibby-chan swallows her pet hamster as an appetiser, the twins (boy and a girl) fight who gets to wear the cutesy flower kimono and the eldest son Orochitachi disappearing again into the cellar to do his experiments (homework mom!)


But yeah, I always wondered if the Uchihas used to marry inside the clan! Sasukes parents both seamed to be Uchiha!

Lmao That scene's hilarious.

Anyway, I've often wondered the same thing about Uchihas marrying inside the clan. Definitely some inbreeding going on. Well, not exactly inbreeding. But, if their numbers were many, and they weren't too closely related, then it's probably how they kept the clan pure. It's a seperate race of people. Like, how in the real world, you have Hispanics, Caucasians, Blacks, Asians, etc. Most of them marry inside their race (or, so I suppose), which is why their numbers thrive. Just my own thoughts though.

Black/Light
March 22, 2007, 03:41 PM
I don't think he has to make a baby with another Uchiha to rebuild it. He knew good and well that he and his bro where the only ones left so when he says "Im going to rebuild the Uchiha clan" he must mean by means of mating with non Uchiha women.

It's as easy as this. . .
He finds the best female ninja of w/e village and WOW them with his legendary SG (which could be at MS level for all we know) and give them the "My clan as killed off by my brother and I wish to rebuild the Uchiha clan." and bam. . . atleast 10 females willing to have his babies.

Than those babies grow up and could probly have a less bigamis(sp) sex life ithat would result in the start to bring the Uchiha back to it's past level.

But on topic. . . it would be VERRRY interesting if this new girl is a Uchiha as well but was raised out-side of the village. Like maybe her parents where outcasted for doing something and where never allowed back in the leaf village but Oro fond her and had her as a back up if things didn't go well with Sasuke so he would still be able to get the SG. You never know, he DID put the 1st genes into all those lil kids, I could see him doing the same with a famous Uchiha memebers genes.
But would we really need ANOTHER SG user?. . . Maybe her SG could work differently if she is Uchiha.
IDK, this is just some really wild guesses that are most likely false. . . but you never know.

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 03:55 PM
Well, in Hakus case only his mother had a bloodline limit. His father was a farmer or something, so he probably couldn't even use his chakra and Haku still inherited the bloodline limit!

Exactly. :)
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I don't think he has to make a baby with another Uchiha to rebuild it. He knew good and well that he and his bro where the only ones left so when he says "Im going to rebuild the Uchiha clan" he must mean by means of mating with non Uchiha women.

I agree with you completely, and it's what I've been trying to say all along (though, at some point, my comments may have been obscured, therefore difficult for some to understand.)

Mendes
March 22, 2007, 04:06 PM
yea, so doesnt he need to hook up with an uchiha to keep the clan "clean of unpure blood"?

lol i dont think there's true pure bloods in any clan... they had to hook up with each other as u said, and i dont believe that actually happens :blink The proof is that in a clan usually only one parent is ninja. remember ino-shika-chou - parents version - in chuunin exam, kiba's mother, shino's father, sasuke's father, etc... they all revealed ninja abilities in the story, but u never see both parents as ninja.
In this situation, an uchiha, like every other clan, just marry another person outside his clan and instead of the women getting men's last name, gets a welcome in his clan... at least that's how i think it is :P
just a funny thought about this: what would be like a son of an uchiha and a hyuuga?
my bet would be a super genjutsu-taijutsu genius with a sharingan in one eye and a byakugan in the other xD

BubbleGumx
March 22, 2007, 04:13 PM
Maybe the shocking truth was finding out that Sakura is a yaoi fan girl XD

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 04:23 PM
just a funny thought about this: what would be like a son of an uchiha and a hyuuga?
my bet would be a super genjutsu-taijutsu genius with a sharingan in one eye and a byakugan in the other xD

That'd be frickin' awesome. o_o!

To stay on topic (as one can probably tell, my previous comments were way off the topic of predicting 348 ^^;) : I wonder what purpose these 3 ninjas will serve for Sasuke? He doesn't care about killing all the Akatsuki, but just Itachi, right? Do the Akatsuki care enough about their member to come to Itachi's aid should he need it? They don't seem to be that close knit. If one member dies, they simply take his ring and replace him.
I find it difficult to believe that Sasuke's gathering these people so that they could help him battle Itachi. That would be out of character for him. Maybe he really is just using them for personal gain. Then again, that's out of character too...
I don't know.
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Maybe the shocking truth was finding out that Sakura is a yaoi fan girl XD

Lol, it probably was. I was certainly shocked to see Sakura behave in that manner ... She's always "acted" as though she was above such things, but now, we all know what a pervert she really is. GO, SAKURA O_o!

inugami
March 22, 2007, 04:23 PM
just a funny thought about this: what would be like a son of an uchiha and a hyuuga?
my bet would be a super genjutsu-taijutsu genius with a sharingan in one eye and a byakugan in the other xD

Eh, but that's the question. Can a child inherit two bloodline limits? I doubt it! And we never had a character with two badass nin parents in the manga (not that we get much about the parents anyway)!!
On the other hand, the sharingan did develop from the byakugan. Maybe a mix with another bloodline limit was needed for that!

strongarm85
March 22, 2007, 04:33 PM
What do you guys mean by "now we know Sakura's a pervert."

The whole point of Inner Sakura in the early part of the series was to show that despite the ways she acts she's actually just like Naruto, no matter how strong her composure is.

aznhotbod
March 22, 2007, 04:35 PM
well, if Byakugan and Sharingan are codominant, then yes, a child can inherit both traits and express them. But how funny would his/her vision be like? one sees tenketsu and the other sees muscle movement? lol.. what a freak.

bennibb
March 22, 2007, 04:38 PM
Chicken or the egg??? In the start a clan was only made by one man and woman. Something mutates and boom Uchiha was born. Then it doesnt matter who f...s who. The strongest genes survives always. So as long as they reproduce... The bloodline vil survive.

Back to topic... This isnt Star Wars... Where shinobis sense others... Shinobi rule nr (early) Eraze your presence... So that this girl at the end can sence chakra means that pearson is realy close... Or she has a ability to sence it. And its pretty clear that she knows this mystic man/woman.

arslan
March 22, 2007, 04:40 PM
i don't think sasuke reviving his clan would be kishi's focus of the story:). about this new girl i think she will be in sasuke's 4 person team. the girl woul essentially be sakura's counterpart in team sasuke and the purpose of this "TEAM SASUKE" is to balance the confrontation between sasuke and naruto ie sasuke not being outnumbered and one person fighting one more person. sai vs someone, sakura vs 'the chick', kakashi vs someone elso, and naruto vs sasuke. atleast that's what i think. ;)

Slayer6x
March 22, 2007, 04:46 PM
What do you guys mean by "now we know Sakura's a pervert."

The whole point of Inner Sakura in the early part of the series was to show that despite the ways she acts she's actually just like Naruto, no matter how strong her composure is.

Well all know that Inner Sakura is her "true" self (so to speak) And yeah, Inner Sakura is a bit of a crazy person, BUT never have we been led on to think that she's totally perverted. We haven't been dissuaded from the fact either. However, previously seeing her over-the-top reactions to all-things-perverted would've suggested that she (Inner Sakura) was indeed anti-pervert. But now, we know better. GO, SAKURA.

inugami
March 22, 2007, 04:53 PM
Bah, ninjas operate in 4 man teams, so it figures Sasuke would fancy one himself. it's not like he's making new friends, he just needs pawns! And the way it looks there's gonna be lots of rivality inside this team, so it wouldn't surprise me if some of the new characters may end up turning on each other!
Sasuke will definitely be the one to take care of Itachi, but he must first get to him. With only 6 Akatsuki left and all the potential opponents it seams they gonna be offed very soon. On the other hand, Sasuke didn't pocket Orochimarus Akatsuki ring! So I wouldn't be surprised if Kabuto turned up in the Akatsuki lineup (we still don't know his agenda, but it seams he wasn''t after Orochimaru. And since he was used as a spy by Sasori already as a kid, I wouldn't be surprised if the Akatsuki killed his family...bah who knows). Either way I think the main opponent for Sasuke in this ark will be Madara Uchiha. The way they did that preview at the start of the new anime, with the nine tail comparing Sasuke's killer intent to the half-demonic Madara and Sasuke being all high and mighty "Should I know that name!" And than the dramatic blend-out. It was like saying - Don't worry bitch, you are about to find out the hard way! (I'll admit that while reading the manga I didn't even catch Madaras name :)

justoneme
March 22, 2007, 04:57 PM
well we all know almost for sure that the woman will be revealed in the next chapter but by looking at her shorts...could it be.....YUFFIE from FF7...lol that would never happen but she was a ninja :P lol

inugami
March 22, 2007, 05:10 PM
Next week well get the introduction of Karin, then a short blend out (hopefully to Akatsuki, don't care if it's comic relif again) to cover the time Ses and crew need from South base to North base. On the last page will see the ass of Juugo!

Unless Sasuke and Mizu didn't arrive at South base yet and it's someone else approaching Karin! Then things might get interesting, but alas I doubt it!

Vegitto
March 22, 2007, 05:57 PM
The girl is another hideout's Kabuto, and after she killed that guy because he acted up because Orochimaru was dead, she senses Orochimaru's chakra.. :D

dfcarolinaguy
March 22, 2007, 07:22 PM
I have feeling we are going to see kabuto this next chapter.

kingfencer
March 22, 2007, 07:37 PM
forget about guessing who the girl is, it could be any random new person, but what is sasuke plan...

FatalFlaw
March 22, 2007, 07:47 PM
The girl is saying "omg, that chakra!!!" because she senses Orochimaru. He's still alive in Sasuke's body.

dfcarolinaguy
March 22, 2007, 08:19 PM
I doubt she is sensing orochi because he dead lol, but I bet she can sense Kabuto coming or atasuki member.

1nfamous
March 22, 2007, 08:28 PM
have you guys noticed.. theres to many yaoi stuff going on .. -.- what has this world gone too?

Hemostrat
March 22, 2007, 09:19 PM
How can she sense Orochimaru? Sasuke is away in the Wave Country.

bloodrage
March 22, 2007, 09:24 PM
well lame chapter to me it did not give anybody any information on anything that guy suigetsu got zabuzas sword it never had any special powers he probably could have got any sword his teeth looks just like zabuzas so maybe he is family or from the same clan sakura is a pervert konohoamaru is pretty good compared to how he was before

now for all you ppl that were saying omg saskue is so fast and naruto is super slow how come i did not hear any of you sayign this chapter that saskue is slow compared to uigetsu who appeared behind him in a flash he did not get a chance to move anything so i guess according to yall logic saskue is slow now right

anyways my predictions
it will continue on with saskue arc with kishimoto throwing in as many new themes and terms as he likes making saskue seem unbeatable with only flashes of naruto like this chapter by the time it gets back to a real naruto arc naruto would have completed his new jutsu and have many more styles for it .

caco
March 22, 2007, 09:36 PM
i think this girl is one of the other 2 person sasuke want in this new team that he is making. when sasuke saw the naruto bridge he was emotional is he going to be a good guy ever again?

I know his revange come first in his head but im want to see more of this new guys that sasuke is recruiting and i want to see the face of naruto when sasuke tell him that he killed oro

wit2x
March 22, 2007, 10:16 PM
LOLs.... Whats in Uchiha that ur too interested? sharingan? I knew Naruto's bloodline is much better. it will be a big surprise.

manufn619
March 22, 2007, 11:41 PM
sasuke is gonna bring these mofo's and it gonna be sound 5 arch v2 with new peeps

also sai and suigetsu could be bros(i stole it from the theory im sorry )

yemsta
March 22, 2007, 11:46 PM
damn this chapter was cool, lots of naked guys in it though kinda weird. No idea who that woman is but what is going to happen is that sasuke will get these guys to hold off kisame while he and itachi fight. Suigetsu knows about water jutsu and therefore his knowledge combined with the others he is recruiting will hold off kisame. Next stop konoha, we will see itachi going to kaonoha soon and all will unveil.
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I know this sounds crazy and please dont flame me for this but what if sasuke's last recruit is naruto and sakura? It would make very good sense here as they kind of both need each other to achieve their goals.

zeroJdeath
March 23, 2007, 01:49 AM
I have to say this chapter was very cool infact the last two chapters had me elated it was amazing to see, I really like that even though ori is dead he is technically(soul/chakara) inside sasuke, but I think with excessive use of the seal we might see a return of ori, since the seal curse makes you "lose yourself to ori", and the curse only comes out when sasuke can't rely only on his own power(aka will power, which was also used to directly stopped ori immortality jutsu),so even though it might be far fetched ori soul/persona could reamerge to take sasuke over.(But that would mean sasuke's excessive usage of seal+kishi's plot twist) Thus the full unlocking of the sasuke/ori combinations power. Anyways I really like that ori took out his master Sarutobi, then sasuke inturn takes out his master ori, that was awsome, chp 347 was cool cus we saw some new plot twist with sasuke going out and recruiting people, but it seems that the next few chapters are gonna consist of kishi revealing these new threats, plus some more character development with naruto/sasuke.(was that a grin on sasuke's face? ;p )

Mendes
March 23, 2007, 02:58 AM
I know this sounds crazy and please dont flame me for this but what if sasuke's last recruit is naruto and sakura? It would make very good sense here as they kind of both need each other to achieve their goals.

it really does sound too crazy :P
that really cant be possible coz there seems to be bad blood between suigetsu and both of the new recruits sasuke will get. one of them seems to be Juugo (i think suigetsu mention that)
and they are in different places... so its definitively not naruto and sakura lol

shachi
March 23, 2007, 04:17 AM
Sasuke mentioned that the other two recruits are based in the north and the south. The countries north of the Sound village are the lands of Thunder, Earth, and the Waterfall. The countries south of it are the lands of Grass, Rain, and Fire.

If Sasuke is forming his team according to the elements in which they specialize, then I think I can eliminate Waterfall and Rain, b/c of Suigetsu's inclusion. I think Sasuke himself has fire covered, and lightning too, eliminating the lands of Fire and Thunder.

So that leaves Earth (north) and Grass (south).

Also, juu and go are words related to earth. And Karin means quince, and i think that is a kind of fruit. So yeah, earth and grass is where we'll see Sasuke and Suigetsu next couple of episodes.

theshizzle
March 23, 2007, 04:24 AM
why would sauske form a group? He became dependent??

razor
March 23, 2007, 04:32 AM
i think sasuke will perform a 5 person group and then they will try to open new organization.btw,i think it is illegal to perform organization without register first.Because they need to find who will find money and budget for his organization and must have a proper name.better name their organization because in that way people will recognize them and popular like akatsuki.

LOL.what exactly I'm try to say...?

theshizzle
March 23, 2007, 05:25 AM
i predict oro is alive

Uru
March 23, 2007, 06:41 AM
i predict oro is alive


I agree..
If isn't so Kishi will lose more points..

It's natural.I think obviously u are right..
BTW i cant imagine when we will see Orochimaru's return..

Regards.

P.S.
I can predict the name of Sasuke's band..
The revenge's band. LOL..

P.P.S.
What's about the bridge??

Naruto have already a bridge with his name..
And it's a genin yet.. :tem
When he will be okage Konoha will be Narutoa.. :D

Mendes
March 23, 2007, 07:28 AM
Sasuke mentioned that the other two recruits are based in the north and the south. The countries north of the Sound village are the lands of Thunder, Earth, and the Waterfall. The countries south of it are the lands of Grass, Rain, and Fire.

If Sasuke is forming his team according to the elements in which they specialize, then I think I can eliminate Waterfall and Rain, b/c of Suigetsu's inclusion. I think Sasuke himself has fire covered, and lightning too, eliminating the lands of Fire and Thunder.

So that leaves Earth (north) and Grass (south).

Also, juu and go are words related to earth. And Karin means quince, and i think that is a kind of fruit. So yeah, earth and grass is where we'll see Sasuke and Suigetsu next couple of episodes.

i think sasuke plans on taking people inside sound. he said he was going to take juugo from the north base and karin from the south base.
these bases probably consist of imprisoned people oro caught. just like suigetsu, karin and juugo are probably prisoners(although karin seemed to act more like a guard of the prison than a prisoner herself).
looking on how karin kicked every1 out of her way, we can see she's short tempered. looking on the way suigetsu(who doesnt look to be a calm person at all) spoke of juugo makes me think this one will be even more short tempered than karin.
I would have think sasuke, who's a calm person(when not in front of itachi), to get only serene people for his side... i wonder how will he take the controversy inside his future crew. maybe he'll use the kimimaro method in sound five: 'obey or die... which do u choose?' - it seems like it could work for him :P

shachi
March 23, 2007, 07:47 AM
i think sasuke plans on taking people inside sound. he said he was going to take juugo from the north base and karin from the south base.
these bases probably consist of imprisoned people oro caught. just like suigetsu, karin and juugo are probably prisoners(although karin seemed to act more like a guard of the prison than a prisoner herself).

Ah. I might be wrong, but i thought kabuto said in an earlier chapter that they had secret bases in different lands.

Yeah, maybe my assumptions are wrong.

DAMN.

Mendes
March 23, 2007, 08:07 AM
Ah. I might be wrong, but i thought kabuto said in an earlier chapter that they had secret bases in different lands.

Yeah, maybe my assumptions are wrong.

DAMN.

about the bases location u could be right... i assumed they were inside sound coz it seems sasuke and suigetsu are already near karin(assuming she felt their chakra).
still, u might be right about sasuke wanting to cover every elemental type in his team. even if the bases arent located in earth and grass countries it doesnt mean there arent imprisoned ninja with those characteristics there

2H-Dragon
March 23, 2007, 08:21 AM
Ok so he is gathering around all those people, but why would they follow Sasuke to kill Itachi? Akatsuki has the ebil plan of world domination. I don't see why they would follow Sasuke to kill someone Sasuke can't kill himself? Though I guess the small fry do follow the big guys.

I can't w8 for Sasuke to break down. You know it's gonna happen sooner or later. The question is just how is he gonna be beaten. If he would get his ass handed by Itachi or anyone else for that matter. Just to show you joined the dark side and you still pretty much suck. :O While gotta admit Sasuke does look like all of that at the moment. The MS still seems stronger then the normal Sharignan. You know sooner or later Naruto will be stronger. While Naruto may look weak, he has a never die attitude(his jutsu are suicide though, but thats besides the point). Sasuke has that genius thing going on. Geniuses are easier to break.

renrutal
March 23, 2007, 09:01 AM
That Karin girl (I'm assuming it) does seen hot enough to cause a bad blood between her and Sakura.

I just wonder what would Sakura do if she saw a hot dark-haired girl taking Sasuke's arms like she used to do 3 years ago.

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So Konohamaru does know the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. Hopefully he can have a better use to that jutsu than Naruto (I bet Ebisu told him more about the extra uses of KBnJ than Naruto). His Oiroke techniques are already much ahead than Naruto's.

Ahh girls, if the world was full of bishonen, I'd be into BL too. :)

boyakist4649
March 23, 2007, 09:15 AM
P.P.S.
What's about the bridge??

Naruto have already a bridge with his name..
And it's a genin yet.. :tem
When he will be okage Konoha will be Narutoa.. :D

Naruto Oohashi was the bridge made during the Haku/Zabuza arc. The bridge builder and the little kid decided to name the constructed bridge as that name, it was memorable because it was one of the first big team-7 assignments. Vol1/2 in the series, I think.

mizu172
March 23, 2007, 09:45 AM
That Karin girl (I'm assuming it) does seen hot enough to cause a bad blood between her and Sakura.

I just wonder what would Sakura do if she saw a hot dark-haired girl taking Sasuke's arms like she used to do 3 years ago.


yeah.. I wonder too O_o But Sakura will kick that girl's ass, for sure^^

laughing@you
March 23, 2007, 11:00 AM
:offtopic My take is that based on sasuke's reaction on the previous chapter towards the great naruto bridge, he still feels for his friends.

Again I'm not a sasuke fan but his still one of the stories main characters, and if anakin was redeemed after the killing of all the those jedi and monstrosity's he committed, sasuke is still a saint.

Who knows after all that time when naruto found him, probably sasuke wanted to test how good he was, probably testing if naruto could serve him as an ally. But because naruto was out of chakra and was in conflict about using the kiuby, naruto didn't measure up. And this movement from sasuke to gather a group in order to execute his plan could well prove this theory.

Another thing how close is sasuke to konoha? Somebody remembers how much time it was from konoha to the Great naruto bridge? Cuz either sasuke is using a tele-portation device or something , all that movement by his part during one of naruto's meal, its amazing. I mean WOW!!!!! Freed Suigetsu, chat with suigetsu, suigetsu gets dressed, they arrive at the great konoha bridge. Simply amazing!!!

:Ontopic
My prediction for this next chapter is:

I don't think that sasuke is close to the woman displayed at the end of the chapter.

Theory that woman could be jiraiya's informant and she was probably sensing jiraiya's chakra. ( I mean I hope she is, its being a long time since jiraiya takes part in the series ).

Now that orochimaru is out of the picture (for now) Kabuto tries to contact akatsuki.

lordHokage
March 23, 2007, 11:58 AM
Well, according to the tea leaves, this new chapter would be much better than the last one.

Uru
March 23, 2007, 01:33 PM
Naruto Oohashi was the bridge made during the Haku/Zabuza arc.

Yessir... I know..
But thinking about this maybe it's no a random fact..
Suigetsu have same teeth of Zabusa.. (i dont know if i explain me.. eheh)
And we will se him take the OLD zabusa's sword and the bridge with the naruto's name..

There is a bond.. ..sure!




The bridge builder and the little kid decided to name the constructed bridge as that name, it was memorable because it was one of the first big team-7 assignments. Vol1/2 in the series, I think.


First time (if i'm not in wrong) red chakra come out from naruto.. ..and kakashi sensei :o (pls read it eyes opened wide.. ndUru)!
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My prediction for this next chapter is:
Theory that woman could be jiraiya's informant and she was probably sensing jiraiya's chakra. ( I mean I hope she is, its being a long time since jiraiya takes part in the series ).


I agree.. Jiraya-sama never showed yet your power.
I think we will see fast something... (but maybe it's only another orochimaru's experiment)

Regards

P.S.
Sorry,my english sucks.. ..i know.. :(

kaceclosed5
March 23, 2007, 03:43 PM
I think that the girl is definitely feeling Sasuke's chakra. Since he has shown his different shape manipulation everyone, including Oro, have been surprised the feel the difference. I think that the both of those he is rounding up are guards for Oro's prisons. That is why Suigetsu said he will need the Zabuza sword. The Juugo may have been in charge of the prison were Suigetsu was located. I am guessing that they go through some water jutsu ritual that gives everyone those shark teeth to whoever is aspiring to be one of the 7 swords. Haku did not have the teeth because his blood limit made him strong enough or he was really considered just a tool for Zabuza. I agree that Kishi has put this in fast forward so I expect to be introduced to a both characters over the next two chapters. On a side not I believe that Konohamaru will still be a major character. I mean the first three chapters go 1. Uzumaki Naruto 2. Konohamaru 3. Uchiha Sasuke:blink :blink

THETRUTH.com
March 23, 2007, 04:25 PM
I have seen a few questions about location so here is a map that might useful. Stated on the site the "World map drawn from a variety of sources, including the Official Naruto website, Offical Fan Book, the animated series and original manga."

http://www.leafninja.com/country.php

We probably wont see Naruto in the bandage anymore as Kishi has probably moved ahead in time between the Konohamaru scene and the "Great Naruto Bride" scene and could have moved further ahead when he showed Karin.

Prediction
1/2 ch: More Sasuke group see what the girl looks like.

2-3 pages: Naruto will get back to training maybe some more genjutsu release. If breaking genjutsu is about chakra control Naruto, from the creation of the FRS, should have increased his chakra control substantially. Or he could be made aware of that affect of his training.

Rest: AK meeting they have to so them at some point before moving on.

ANBU4U
March 23, 2007, 08:12 PM
Says who? Give me one real world example.

Im getting sick of this whole, Sauske's doomed to failure because he doesnt have the "never die" attitude...it makes no sense.

Sauske works just as hard, if not harder than naruto. Just because he's a "genious" doesnt mean he's sitting on his ass waiting for "losers" to catch up with him, it doesnt mean he doesnt have a work ethic, it doesnt mean he doesnt have a stronge resolve. Assuming otherwise is BS.

The same goes for the whole neji/lee premice. The idea being well if I work hard enough ill surpass him one day.....

But thats only asssuming he's NOT working hard, that he's not pushing himself. Which of course he always is. Thats not to say lee wont beat him one day, but the reason certainly wont be because Neji was sitting on his ass but because lee just had more skill in the long run.

Damn near everyone in Naruto works hard. U cant tell me either Sauske, Neji, or Lee, work harder then one or the other, its impossible to say. They ALL have a never die attitude, their motives may very but none will just "break".

So if Naruto gets stronger than suaske fine, what happens happen. But if it does happen it wont be because Naruto worked harder, or because Sauske will was "broken" it'll be because he's just plain better.

Examples:

The tortise and the hare. Lets say for the purposes of this retelling that the Hare is a "genious" and the Tortise is a "loser". Now sure, if the tortise works it's ass off, and the Hare sit on it's ass, the tortise can win. But if they both do all they can....well. Blow out.

Time for an anime refrence. Was Vegeta ever really Stronger than Goku after then Sayijn Saga? No. Was he weaker because he worked less than Goku? No, if anything he worked harder.

One was just better. Thats the way life is. Sometimes the other guys just better. We cant all be the best. Ask Ino.

At the end of this manga she'll be tearfully remembering what Asuma said "dont lose to Sakura in love or ninjutsu" while looking upon Sakura's happy Uchiha wedding and Sannin status while she has yet to be promoted to Jounin. Just wait and see.

sKaR
March 23, 2007, 10:35 PM
i think sasuke is making this 4man cell to launch an attack on itachi.he will probably attack itachi when he is with kisame.he is clever enough not to just madly go barraging into the akatsuki hideout trying to take on 8-9superstrong nins.and considering how suigetsu has got zabuza's sword,he plans to use him to keep kisame busy..as they r both water nins +part of 7swordsman.he mite b usingthe other 2 (who i presume r not as powerful as sasuke and suigetsu)just to give him an upper hand in his fight against itachi.as he dosent seem to have obtained mangekyou till now and even that amaretsu(gos of sun)technique seems to b damaging..he might need that juugo and karin to counter and hamper itachi while he takes him down.....i predict it may not b as planned or constructed as shikamarus plan but sasuke will definitely and strategicly take on itachi rather than just showing up in front of him to battle!!!!!

aylw
March 23, 2007, 10:54 PM
Says who? Give me one real world example.

Im getting sick of this whole, Sauske's doomed to failure because he doesnt have the "never die" attitude...it makes no sense.

Sauske works just as hard, if not harder than naruto. Just because he's a "genious" doesnt mean he's sitting on his ass waiting for "losers" to catch up with him, it doesnt mean he doesnt have a work ethic, it doesnt mean he doesnt have a stronge resolve. Assuming otherwise is BS.

The same goes for the whole neji/lee premice. The idea being well if I work hard enough ill surpass him one day.....

....

So if Naruto gets stronger than suaske fine, what happens happen. But if it does happen it wont be because Naruto worked harder, or because Sauske will was "broken" it'll be because he's just plain better.

...


I think you missed the whole point of the "work ethic" thing. It is not to say that being a "genius" means nothing. It is that the harder you work, the further you get, and if you work hard enough, you CAN surpass a genius.

Obviously, if the genius works harder than you, you won't surpass him. The point is that hard work is a MAJOR factor in success, MORE than being a genius. This is a lesson that many people just don't understand in real life, and it holds them back from achieving their dreams.

Now, YOU might think that Sasuke trains harder than Naruto, but, of course, this is all conjecture, because we haven't actually seen much of Sasuke's training regimen. For all we know, Sasuke could spent 95% of his time moping and feeling sorry for himself in the corner. In any case, even though the story's current moral isn't about hard work (everyone is working equally hard now, more or less) - we ALREADY saw that Naruto caught up with Sasuke through hard work. Essentially, Sasuke lost the in-born, natural edge he used to have over Naruto because he slacked off when they were both 12 YEARS OLD. Yes, if Naruto wins, it's because he was better. But he's better BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK HE DID. Your old hard work doesn't suddenly disapear if you stop working harder than everyone else.


You might think this phenomena is completely out of touch with real life, but it happens ALL the time. Genius is often over-rated and hard work often under-rated, especially with people who are very young, where experience counts for less (since everyone has less experience). If you see a young child who understands the value of hard work, that in itself is a HUGE advantage that kid has over his peers ( a 'genius'-level understanding, if you will). Yes, there are some people that are SO UNEVENLY blessed that they will be better than you in everything no matter how hard you try, but thankfully these people are very rare, and their effect on your life is usually minimal, if you work hard and do your own thing. And sometimes they experience premature deaths (like Haku ;) ).

The point of my counter-rant? Work hard! Don't give up, and fall into the trap of being lazy because there are people that are "naturally" better than you. I'm not saying become so delusional that you decide "Im going to be the first 5' 2" club-footed paraplegic NBA star", but chances are, you can go a lot further than you think at first if you believe in yourself and work hard.

Oh, and Naruto will beat Sasuke because of Hard work.


-Aylw

Black/Light
March 24, 2007, 12:08 AM
^^^ I have to argee with you for the most part.

This manga is basicaly based on the theme that hard work can make up for not being a genius/ gifted person which does seem to be a big thing for many people to learn.

Like with my own personal events, I hear people say "Man, I wish I could draw like you" and even if it seems like a pat on my ego I really just tell them to work hard. I'v been drawing sence I was I don't even know. . . and from what I'v heard my dad's friend (a artist) saw that I had talent from just basic drawings I did at 3 years of age. When I look back on my progess over the years it's pretty blunt that Im just naturaly talented in this area and I just pick up on alot of things in this area with ease at a faster rate than alot of people. But I can't knock my own hard work because I do work hard. . . it's just alot easyer for me to pick these things up.

I can already see how my lazyness has effected my life now that I go to a art college with a great deal of mixed people ranging from ". . . In never took a drawing class before" to " I'v had schooling in the arts for years now". I just finished my 2nd Q here and I have seen the result in my works when it comes to ONLY relying on what you know for doing projects. I completely boomed my 2nd to last project because I waited tell the last minut to complete it but missed it up big time by just tossing powed pencil on it to full up the space. It went all black and it was too late to redo it so I had to suffer the lil laugh of a asian girl in my class when the teacher showed it for class discusion (which is funny because when her time came she wasn't complete AND her view points were in the wrong direction). Nature talent CAN cause you to feel a nice lil sense of comfort when you don't feel you being pushed by something hard or when you see that most others around you arnt at your level so hard work HAS to be in the mix to suceed at doing w/e.

Thats why I plan to take on my school's lib and check out some books dealing with things I don't often focus on or do so that I can improve w/o waiting for the class to get to w/e lesson. I can see that I just pick up on these things easyer than most by nature so I shouldn't lay on my a** and wait for my harder upper level classes when I could be using this time to better my own level on my own accord.

So in all, hard work is just that. . . hard work. It will better you nomatter who you are and talent doesn't give you much of a free pass in the long run. . . nomatter what you still need hard work.
(And yeah, I have typos and don't care because it's too late . . .)

ornis
March 24, 2007, 12:27 AM
I think you missed the whole point of the "work ethic" thing. It is not to say that being a "genius" means nothing. It is that the harder you work, the further you get, and if you work hard enough, you CAN surpass a genius.

Obviously, if the genius works harder than you, you won't surpass him. The point is that hard work is a MAJOR factor in success, MORE than being a genius. This is a lesson that many people just don't understand in real life, and it holds them back from achieving their dreams.

Now, YOU might think that Sasuke trains harder than Naruto, but, of course, this is all conjecture, because we haven't actually seen much of Sasuke's training regimen. For all we know, Sasuke could spent 95&#37; of his time moping and feeling sorry for himself in the corner. In any case, even though the story's current moral isn't about hard work (everyone is working equally hard now, more or less) - we ALREADY saw that Naruto caught up with Sasuke through hard work. Essentially, Sasuke lost the in-born, natural edge he used to have over Naruto because he slacked off when they were both 12 YEARS OLD. Yes, if Naruto wins, it's because he was better. But he's better BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK HE DID. Your old hard work doesn't suddenly disapear if you stop working harder than everyone else.


You might think this phenomena is completely out of touch with real life, but it happens ALL the time. Genius is often over-rated and hard work often under-rated, especially with people who are very young, where experience counts for less (since everyone has less experience). If you see a young child who understands the value of hard work, that in itself is a HUGE advantage that kid has over his peers ( a 'genius'-level understanding, if you will). Yes, there are some people that are SO UNEVENLY blessed that they will be better than you in everything no matter how hard you try, but thankfully these people are very rare, and their effect on your life is usually minimal, if you work hard and do your own thing. And sometimes they experience premature deaths (like Haku ;) ).

The point of my counter-rant? Work hard! Don't give up, and fall into the trap of being lazy because there are people that are "naturally" better than you. I'm not saying become so delusional that you decide "Im going to be the first 5' 2" club-footed paraplegic NBA star", but chances are, you can go a lot further than you think at first if you believe in yourself and work hard.

Oh, and Naruto will beat Sasuke because of Hard work.


-Aylw

Naruto could beat Sasuke as a genius; his hard work could be the work of a genius. The canonical definition of Naruto means little to the interpretation of a genius. Naruto blurs the line of lackluster loser and natural-born winner: how do we now if there was some time delay, like the delay in gaining info from Kage Bunshin? It just shows he is smart in a certain way. Kishi painted the hard-worker image. What if he said Naruto was a genius because of all his hard-work and Sasuke was a hard-worker due to all his genius? They'd be interchangeable titles but merely titles that say not who's better. Naruto, working hard, could fail to beat a genius any day or even another "hard worker" who worked less than him. Let's say the two people are equals in everything but hard work. Naruto still loses to the other guy who works less. Not by fluke it just happens the other guy was better with less amount of work. Efficiency could beat Naruto, could ruin the hard-work image. And the other guy doesn't focus his work on being efficient here. There's no triumphant advantage, it just ends that way.

narutebayo
March 24, 2007, 12:49 AM
Jump for joy! KAKASHI GAIDEN IS ANIME BOUND!!!!!After next week's 1 hour special IT WILL AIR ON APRIL 12th YATTA!!! no need for applause 'tebayo!!

wit2x
March 24, 2007, 04:53 AM
my prediction is that the girl senses the chakra of OroChi. this is however in the body of Sasuke. :) who knows oro might get resurected. ^^

wooticus
March 24, 2007, 05:16 AM
Somehow i think that Sasuke isn't trying to build an anti-akatsuki group..

If Suigetsu is really Sai's Brother, it more looks like he's building up an Konoha-counterpart group.

And for that this Juugo person will be somehow related to Konoha..

Maybe it's nobody else than Rin.. Kakashis old teammate. This would suit great with the anime of Kakashi Gaiden ;-). This would also mean, there is and akatsuki counterpart too --> Tobi/Ubito. The longer is think about it the better it sounds. Everything is splitted in three groups.. Sasuke/Oro, Akatsuki, Konoha Alliance and every group has one of the fourths former team.
Maybe Sasuke cannot take on Team Kakashi on his own.. Remember, Sai blocked Sasuke as he tried to stab Naruto, he could be much more stronger than we think, and he could be one of the 7 swordmen, too. His sword may not look very extraordinary, but does Ichigos Bankai? ;-).

And the other person, Karin, reminds me of the little cat in Dragon Ball.

I bet it has to something with the past of another Konoha character. Maybe Sakura, maybe one of the Sannins, maybe Yamato.. maybe it is Narutos mother ;-). Back in the Search for the Fifth arc Oro promised Tsunade to revive her lover, maybe he has hidden him for a long time... but ok, hes dead ;-).

It could also be that i am totally wrong :D

Banedor
March 24, 2007, 05:57 AM
I'd be somewhat mad if Karin was Rin, meaning if it does turn out to be Rin and she backstabs Konoha I'd be pissed.

If the backstory was Orochimaru took Rin and held her captive for experiments, and returned to Konoha it'd be fine with me. Otherwise I'd be hella pissed. lol

wooticus
March 24, 2007, 06:33 AM
Well yes, but the similarity in the name is there...

There will come a Last Judgement like epic parallel battle.
Sasuke vs Naruto
Sai vs Suigetsu
Karin vs Kakashi vs Tobi, in which Tobi is on Karins because he still loves her. Karin hates Kakashi because he always ignored her. In the moment Kakashi is about losing, Tobi will remember and change heart. He will defeat Karin and thus he will also obtain Mangekyou. Then Tobi and Kakashi will do a final battle of the one-eyed-sharingans to see whos the better user.
Juugo, who has killed Tsunade vs revenging Sakura

so there will be a battle of three generations.. well the fourth generation, the one of yondaime has also to be revealed yet (the other two students of jiraiya).

and then Naruto will become the Hokage and the clan of the uchihas will be erased.. sounds interesting but kishi will never let them die ;-)


well at least, with all this talking about the younger generation taking over and oro losing against sasuke it should be clear that its the beginning of the end of the sannins. the strong, old generation will pass over to the younger, maybe tsunade and jiraiya will both die sooner or later..

i wish for some akatsuki activities now.. especially i want a revenge fight gaara vs deidara and i'm absolutely sure this will come, cause there are not much possibilites left for deidara to be beaten by. there are no very skillful long range fighters under the main characters.



sry for my freaky fantasies ;-) but i think some things are really possible

Akatsuki_DraGoN_
March 24, 2007, 09:52 AM
the girls has some pretty nice legs though:p *kiddin*, the girl probably won't join sasuke without a fight so there'll probably be a fight.

Uru
March 24, 2007, 10:36 AM
I think you missed the whole point of the "work ethic" thing. It is not to say that being a "genius" means nothing. It is that the harder you work, the further you get, and if you work hard enough, you CAN surpass a genius.

Obviously, if the genius works harder than you, you won't surpass him. The point is that hard work is a MAJOR factor in success, MORE than being a genius. This is a lesson that many people just don't understand in real life, and it holds them back from achieving their dreams.

Now, YOU might think that Sasuke trains harder than Naruto, but, of course, this is all conjecture, because we haven't actually seen much of Sasuke's training regimen. For all we know, Sasuke could spent 95% of his time moping and feeling sorry for himself in the corner. In any case, even though the story's current moral isn't about hard work (everyone is working equally hard now, more or less) - we ALREADY saw that Naruto caught up with Sasuke through hard work. Essentially, Sasuke lost the in-born, natural edge he used to have over Naruto because he slacked off when they were both 12 YEARS OLD. Yes, if Naruto wins, it's because he was better. But he's better BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK HE DID. Your old hard work doesn't suddenly disapear if you stop working harder than everyone else.


You might think this phenomena is completely out of touch with real life, but it happens ALL the time. Genius is often over-rated and hard work often under-rated, especially with people who are very young, where experience counts for less (since everyone has less experience). If you see a young child who understands the value of hard work, that in itself is a HUGE advantage that kid has over his peers ( a 'genius'-level understanding, if you will). Yes, there are some people that are SO UNEVENLY blessed that they will be better than you in everything no matter how hard you try, but thankfully these people are very rare, and their effect on your life is usually minimal, if you work hard and do your own thing. And sometimes they experience premature deaths (like Haku ;) ).

The point of my counter-rant? Work hard! Don't give up, and fall into the trap of being lazy because there are people that are "naturally" better than you. I'm not saying become so delusional that you decide "Im going to be the first 5' 2" club-footed paraplegic NBA star", but chances are, you can go a lot further than you think at first if you believe in yourself and work hard.

Oh, and Naruto will beat Sasuke because of Hard work.


-Aylw

Eheh.. boy/girl..

I dont know enough english language for tell you that i'm thinking now..
But.. I'll try to explain me the same eith two words....

I agree 100%... ..this is the "lesson"..
It's all URU-GUARANTEED.. ..and appproved! :tem

Regards

Makiyura
March 24, 2007, 10:46 AM
woah lots of possibilities with this new chapter out, i liked way Sasuke looked at the sign on the bridge("Great Naruto Bridge"), plus this new guy taking the sword. I wonder how he'll fight with it! GG!

ANBU4U
March 24, 2007, 12:28 PM
I think you missed the whole point of the "work ethic" thing. It is not to say that being a "genius" means nothing. It is that the harder you work, the further you get, and if you work hard enough, you CAN surpass a genius.

Obviously, if the genius works harder than you, you won't surpass him. The point is that hard work is a MAJOR factor in success, MORE than being a genius. This is a lesson that many people just don't understand in real life, and it holds them back from achieving their dreams.

Now, YOU might think that Sasuke trains harder than Naruto, but, of course, this is all conjecture, because we haven't actually seen much of Sasuke's training regimen. For all we know, Sasuke could spent 95&#37; of his time moping and feeling sorry for himself in the corner. In any case, even though the story's current moral isn't about hard work (everyone is working equally hard now, more or less) - we ALREADY saw that Naruto caught up with Sasuke through hard work. Essentially, Sasuke lost the in-born, natural edge he used to have over Naruto because he slacked off when they were both 12 YEARS OLD. Yes, if Naruto wins, it's because he was better. But he's better BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK HE DID. Your old hard work doesn't suddenly disapear if you stop working harder than everyone else.


You might think this phenomena is completely out of touch with real life, but it happens ALL the time. Genius is often over-rated and hard work often under-rated, especially with people who are very young, where experience counts for less (since everyone has less experience). If you see a young child who understands the value of hard work, that in itself is a HUGE advantage that kid has over his peers ( a 'genius'-level understanding, if you will). Yes, there are some people that are SO UNEVENLY blessed that they will be better than you in everything no matter how hard you try, but thankfully these people are very rare, and their effect on your life is usually minimal, if you work hard and do your own thing. And sometimes they experience premature deaths (like Haku ;) ).

The point of my counter-rant? Work hard! Don't give up, and fall into the trap of being lazy because there are people that are "naturally" better than you. I'm not saying become so delusional that you decide "Im going to be the first 5' 2" club-footed paraplegic NBA star", but chances are, you can go a lot further than you think at first if you believe in yourself and work hard.

Oh, and Naruto will beat Sasuke because of Hard work.


-Aylw

Any idot worth his salt knows that you have to work to succeed. Hard work does not nesacarily equal success though, and it certainly doesnt mean you'll be the best. Thats just as much of a life lesson as the obscenely naive "work hard and all your dreams will come true" theme. Depressing tho it may be.

Anyone can work hard and become great, but only a few become the best.

It doesnt nesacarily have to be a "genius" he'll maybe Sauske or Neji will plateau at somepoint, and Naruto and skikamaru will go into overdrive. No one can say, but it always takes an edge to be the best. More than hard work and "Will" because theres ALWAYS someone out there thats wants it a much as you, but their isnt nessacarily someone that has the advantages you do.

Be it a Sharingan, Kyuubi, Byakugan, or literal genius, it's our advantages that set us apart at the top, not our will.

Anyway, my argument is that ultimatly hard work becomes irrelavent and potential takes its place. Anyone that reaches the top worked hard to get there, but to sepperate yourself from the elite you have to have something more. Some of us are just better, its often a fluke, the luck of the draw , but its life.

P.S.- And dont pretend Narutos like ino, chouji, or Iruka. Some normal ninja. The reason he's able succeed even when fighting opponents that are more skilled than him is because of HIS edge, namely the kyuubi. Sure...he works hard yada yada, but he also has a massive advantage. If what you want is the fairy tale of the poor advatageless ninja who through sheer work ethic alone became the greatest ninja of all time, then you want konahamaru or Iruka to do so. Cuz Naruto is'nt that guy.

Juhdi91
March 24, 2007, 01:10 PM
The girl is saying "omg, that chakra!!!" because she senses Orochimaru. He's still alive in Sasuke's body.

The same way that nine tails is alive in narutos body :P that would be interesting, except oro would rather interrupt sasuke in combat rather than help him

The Flash
March 24, 2007, 01:13 PM
Any idot worth his salt knows that you have to work to succeed. Hard work does not nesacarily equal success though, and it certainly doesnt mean you'll be the best. Thats just as much of a life lesson as the obscenely naive "work hard and all your dreams will come true" theme. Depressing tho it may be.

Anyone can work hard and become great, but only a few become the best.

It doesnt nesacarily have to be a "genius" he'll maybe Sauske or Neji will plateau at somepoint, and Naruto and skikamaru will go into overdrive. No one can say, but it always takes an edge to be the best. More than hard work and "Will" because theres ALWAYS someone out there thats wants it a much as you, but their isnt nessacarily someone that has the advantages you do.

Be it a Sharingan, Kyuubi, Byakugan, or literal genius, it's our advantages that set us apart at the top, not our will.

Anyway, my argument is that ultimatly hard work becomes irrelavent and potential takes its place. Anyone that reaches the top worked hard to get there, but to sepperate yourself from the elite you have to have something more. Some of us are just better, its often a fluke, the luck of the draw , but its life.

P.S.- And dont pretend Narutos like ino, chouji, or Iruka. Some normal ninja. The reason he's able succeed even when fighting opponents that are more skilled than him is because of HIS edge, namely the kyuubi. Sure...he works hard yada yada, but he also has a massive advantage. If what you want is the fairy tale of the poor advatageless ninja who through sheer work ethic alone became the greatest ninja of all time, then you want konahamaru or Iruka to do so. Cuz Naruto is'nt that guy.

Your entitled to your own opinion. As for (MY OPINION) me, I completely agree with Aylw. Hard work can match anything. Hear me out loud, it CAN MATCH anything.

Most likely, hard work is the reason why Naruto will surpass sasuke. Hard work is the reason why he will be the next hokage. (no kidding eh, the manga is based on Naruto).

The main moral of the naruto series is Hard work.

And for your "P.S." statement, I recommend you to read the manga a little better. I hate...well not necessarily hate.... well how do you say it?.. Oh yes, more like annoyed when people say things without backup. Naruto's edge is not Kyuubii..well it isn't anymore. Naruto is changed, and is becoming independent (rely on his own strength, not Kyuubii) now.

1) He is naturally strong. Did you forget that Naruto's regular chakra is twice or more of Kakashi?
Proof: Read the Chapter 315 page 10 - 11 by Japflap

Kakashi says " you have ATLEAST twice as much (chakra)"

2)
Its because of Naruto's high chakra, and stamina, he can hold the Kyuubii inside of him.
Proof- Read Chapter 299 page 11 by Japflap

Yamato says : "Your true strength isn't from Kyuubi's Power, and the reason your able stand Kyuubi's Chakra is because of the strength of your own chakra"

Dont take Naruto lightly... Then again its probably because of his stupidity is probably the reason why people take him lightly.

I rest my case

Karma
March 24, 2007, 01:29 PM
Your entitled to your own opinion. As for (MY OPINION) me, i COMPLETELY agree with Aly. Hard work can match anything. Hear me out loud, it CAN MATCH anything. And most likely hard work is the reason why Naruto will surpass sasuke. Hard work is the reason why he will be the next hokage. (no kidding eh, the manga is based on Naruto).

And for your "P.S." statement, i recommend you to read the manga a little better. I hate when people say things without backup. Naruto's edge is not Kyuubii.

1) He is naturally strong. Did you forget that Naruto's regular chakra is twice or more of Kakashi?

2)And its because of Naruto's high chakra, and stamina, he can hold the Kyuubii inside of him.
^^^^^^^^
You want proof???: Go read the chapter of Yamato explaining that Naruto is strong. And read the training part. To lazy to name the chapter for you.. since you are capable of finding it yourself. I hope so.. heh Agree.. A lot of people forget that its the same for Jariaya,4th and Naruto.. they all work harder than the normal. its the same for Lee.. The only reason why Naruto wasn't wearing bandage all over is body it's because the kyuubie keep on healing him when he's hurt. Because Naruto train very hard and when he do put is mind to some thing he always get it done even if he got to do it abnormal. And for the chakra thing.. naruto havee to have alot of chakra and Stamina to keep that Kyuubi inside of him the way he did.. I think Kishi just trying to take the spot light off Naruto for now because he's the main character and they need to show everyone abilities... But Naruto going to be too crazy when he completed that Jutsu. I think that plan Kishi made to reduce the use of that Jutsu naruto has is the best way to throw us off his progress.. Because now Naruto learn from that Jutsu training more than we could imagine... lol Just imagine 3 years of training within 2 months? that is crazy..

The Flash
March 24, 2007, 01:33 PM
i edited my other post, to make it more clear.

arslan
March 24, 2007, 05:38 PM
i think the chakra that girl felt might be sasuke's but it can easily be someone else's. the next chapter will introduce this girl and we might get a peek at akatsuki or naruto.

wooticus
March 24, 2007, 06:53 PM
i think the chakra that girl felt might be sasuke's but it can easily be someone else's. the next chapter will introduce this girl and we might get a peek at akatsuki or naruto.

yes it could be everyone, for example - to come back to my thougts ;-) - it could be Rin who is feeling the chakra of a person she didn't saw for a long time... Ubito alias Tobi ;-)

Well i think next chapter will show us something of everybody. new goals of konoha, something more sasuke, and moreover something about akatsuki, at least one or two pages

ANBU4U
March 24, 2007, 07:02 PM
Your entitled to your own opinion. As for (MY OPINION) me, I completely agree with Aylw. Hard work can match anything. Hear me out loud, it CAN MATCH anything.

Most likely, hard work is the reason why Naruto will surpass sasuke. Hard work is the reason why he will be the next hokage. (no kidding eh, the manga is based on Naruto).

The main moral of the naruto series is Hard work.

And for your "P.S." statement, I recommend you to read the manga a little better. I hate...well not necessarily hate.... well how do you say it?.. Oh yes, more like annoyed when people say things without backup. Naruto's edge is not Kyuubii..well it isn't anymore. Naruto is changed, and is becoming independent (rely on his own strength, not Kyuubii) now.

1) He is naturally strong. Did you forget that Naruto's regular chakra is twice or more of Kakashi?
Proof: Read the Chapter 315 page 10 - 11 by Japflap

Kakashi says " you have ATLEAST twice as much (chakra)"

2)
Its because of Naruto's high chakra, and stamina, he can hold the Kyuubii inside of him.
Proof- Read Chapter 299 page 11 by Japflap

Yamato says : "Your true strength isn't from Kyuubi's Power, and the reason your able stand Kyuubi's Chakra is because of the strength of your own chakra"

Dont take Naruto lightly... Then again its probably because of his stupidity is probably the reason why people take him lightly.

I rest my case

So. When he's was doing the FRS, who's eyes did he have? Case and point.
I dont care how strong he is naturally he still uses that fox. It doesnt matter if he relies on it or not, when the situation gets tough he can count on it as a trump which = advantage, it's basically a kekki Genkai. If someone "kills" Naruto, the fox will just take over and give him...for lack of a better term...an extra life. The same goes for dibillitating injuries. I know the manga and anime through and through.

And hard work isnt everything, its a big factor, but not everything. If it was there'd be no point to professional sports...Take the olympics, everyone trains like a mad man. And every athelete reperesents the best in the world because of it. But in order to be the best of the best u just have to be faster. If two men in their prime who worked their asses of all their lives were automatically as fast as each other it wouldnt be nearly as fun would it? Sometimes the other guys better. period.

ophidial
March 24, 2007, 08:55 PM
[QUOTE=ANBU4U;342708]So. When he's was doing the FRS, who's eyes did he have? Case and point.
I dont care how strong he is naturally he still uses that fox. It doesnt matter if he relies on it or not, when the situation gets tough he can count on it as a trump which = advantage, it's basically a kekki Genkai. If someone "kills" Naruto, the fox will just take over and give him...for lack of a better term...an extra life. The same goes for dibillitating injuries. I know the manga and anime through and through.
QUOTE]

that's totally your assumption, sure he had fox eyes but in every single other instance of kyuubi-ness he also had the nails, fangs and enlarged whiskers. so imo he didn't
use any kyuubi chakra in that match but was using some of his chakra that he holds the kyuubi back with, which he can do seeing as yamato is holding it back.

body flicker
March 24, 2007, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=ANBU4U;342708]So. When he's was doing the FRS, who's eyes did he have? Case and point.
I dont care how strong he is naturally he still uses that fox. It doesnt matter if he relies on it or not, when the situation gets tough he can count on it as a trump which = advantage, it's basically a kekki Genkai. If someone "kills" Naruto, the fox will just take over and give him...for lack of a better term...an extra life. The same goes for dibillitating injuries. I know the manga and anime through and through.
QUOTE]

that's totally your assumption, sure he had fox eyes but in every single other instance of kyuubi-ness he also had the nails, fangs and enlarged whiskers. so imo he didn't
use any kyuubi chakra in that match but was using some of his chakra that he holds the kyuubi back with, which he can do seeing as yamato is holding it back.

whenever naruto has kyubi eyes that means he's using kyubi's chakra

ANBU4U
March 24, 2007, 10:26 PM
[QUOTE=ANBU4U;342708]So. When he's was doing the FRS, who's eyes did he have? Case and point.
I dont care how strong he is naturally he still uses that fox. It doesnt matter if he relies on it or not, when the situation gets tough he can count on it as a trump which = advantage, it's basically a kekki Genkai. If someone "kills" Naruto, the fox will just take over and give him...for lack of a better term...an extra life. The same goes for dibillitating injuries. I know the manga and anime through and through.
QUOTE]

that's totally your assumption, sure he had fox eyes but in every single other instance of kyuubi-ness he also had the nails, fangs and enlarged whiskers. so imo he didn't
use any kyuubi chakra in that match but was using some of his chakra that he holds the kyuubi back with, which he can do seeing as yamato is holding it back.

Now whos making assumptions. Why would he have the kyuubis eyes if he was using only his own chakra? maybe he was holding it back more but he was still using it. He's always using it, wether he wants to or not, its part of him. Even if the damn thing was taken out he's had it in him since birth just like garra. Their chakra has fused, so if garras any example he'd STILL have a bit of its abilities/features. Stop trying to downplay his power-ups to make him seem more impressive. Well..normal anyway.

bloodrage
March 25, 2007, 12:02 AM
so even if he was using kyubbi chakra who cares saskue used cs 1 and two plus sharingantoo beat oro at his weakest state WEAKEST!!!

anyways he did not use fox chakra cause yamato and kakashi said now that he is using his own chakra he has become really impressive yada yada yada
so anyways saskue and his team will fight a couple akatsuki but will not be able too beat naruto and such .

deathshadow25
March 25, 2007, 12:36 AM
So my prediction fot this week will be the revealing of the girl who for some reason reminds me of Hinata. She apparently is kickass cause she is gonna go on a mission with Sasuke to wipe out Akatsuki or whtever. I was wondering what are they planning though could they really be planning on attacking Akatsuki? Do they even know where to look?

jumbohiggins
March 25, 2007, 12:37 AM
what we really have to think about is why sasuke is assemblying a 4 man cell.

if he wanted to kill itachi i think he would want to do it on his own. if he wanted to kill naruto once again he would want to do it on his own. so why does he need 4 people?

also what do you think the odds are that the other people in the group have odd connections to naruto, sasuke, and sakuras old squad. i mean zabuzas underling who would have seen that one comeing

deathshadow25
March 25, 2007, 12:41 AM
what we really have to think about is why sasuke is assemblying a 4 man cell.

if he wanted to kill itachi i think he would want to do it on his own. if he wanted to kill naruto once again he would want to do it on his own. so why does he need 4 people?

also what do you think the odds are that the other people in the group have odd connections to naruto, sasuke, and sakuras old squad. i mean zabuzas underling who would have seen that one comeing

Well he might want the 4 man cell to take out any riff-raff that might get in his way like lets say ...other members of Akatsuki

THETRUTH.com
March 25, 2007, 01:36 AM
Nobody but maybe Kishi can say one way or another about why Naruto's eyes looked like that during the last fight ophidials theory is possible (Kishi might just think it looks cool). If Naruto happens to have the Kyuubi eyes but they are blue instead of red would that be an indication of who was supplying most of the chakra. He did seem different in the latest battle from previous battles when he had fox-eyes. Naruto might appear that way during times of increased focus from now on. Or maybe Naruto discovered the ability to sharpened his vision while training (New Ability). Kishi likes to do things with character's eyes, the two most well-known Kekkai Genkai in Konoha both deal with eyes. It could have been a one-time thing we just dont know at this point.

Naruto has alot of chakra so he can do a unique training technique but having lots of chakra isnt the only thing to being a shinobi. Kisame has a huge amount of chakra yet nobody thinks that make him stronger than Itachi. Everyone in the story has their unique qualities like parents that have been teaching them clan abilities their entire life.

Next Ch. Sasuke completes team Karin got word of Oro defeat so maybe others will begin to become aware like AK.

ANBU4U
March 25, 2007, 01:49 AM
Nobody but maybe Kishi can say one way or another about why Naruto's eyes looked like that during the last fight ophidials theory is possible (Kishi might just think it looks cool). If Naruto happens to have the Kyuubi eyes but they are blue instead of red would that be an indication of who was supplying most of the chakra. He did seem different in the latest battle from previous battles when he had fox-eyes. Naruto might appear that way during times of increased focus from now on. Or maybe Naruto discovered the ability to sharpened his vision while training (New Ability). Kishi likes to do things with character's eyes, the two most well-known Kekkai Genkai in Konoha both deal with eyes. It could have been a one-time thing we just dont know at this point.

Naruto has alot of chakra so he can do a unique training technique but having lots of chakra isnt the only thing to being a shinobi. Kisame has a huge amount of chakra yet nobody thinks that make him stronger than Itachi. Everyone in the story has their unique qualities like parents that have been teaching them clan abilities their entire life.

Next Ch. Sasuke completes team Karin got word of Oro defeat so maybe others will begin to become aware like AK.

riiiight, w/e u say buddy. im in too bad a mode to argue.

C4animax
March 25, 2007, 04:07 AM
Predict away what you guys think going to happened in chapter 438 :amuse

Man 438 seems so far away...i'll predict for 348 :p.

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I think next chapter will start with sasuke or the last person we saw in the manga, we need to know more about them, maybe a quick view of what naruto is up next or maybe akatsuki but i believe we'll see more about the 4 sasuke's cell.

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People fighting about naruto using fox or not, he doesn't rely on him but still use it. The eyes are the proof of it...unless he has some kind of strategy behind it or kishi finds him scarier drawn that way(or does he think naruto looks better like that).

4ghost
March 25, 2007, 05:25 AM
I'm predicting the return of Danzou and his Root into the story. Once Sasuke's team is fully assembled I don't imagine them immediately confronting Akatsuki. I think Root would be the first to get a taste of what Sasuke's group is capable of. Once they have displayed what they are capable of Sasuke will be able to get Danzou to conspire with him. For Danzou it will be to remove the source of the Akatsuki threat from Konoha. For Sasuke it would be to gain control of Akatsuki's target so as to force his brother to come after him.

Tias
March 25, 2007, 08:28 AM
Hmm, well i want to think about who the girl is, and for sasukes future plans...

since the begening he DID say he wanted to kill a certain someone(his brother itachi) and revive his clan.....
however he never said it had to be pure blood, althou to married with a person who is not of the uchia, will make the uchiha blood thiner, in result, the genius status of the uchiha will fall down, as he was talking to orochimaru saying the uchihas where the best and what not.....

but yeah, we whont know anything, but that girl, she might be a uchiha
how? and why?

first the why...

this is maybe thw orst reason, what ever
all the uchihas have black hair, he bothers to recruit her, i bet if he would infiltarte konoha he could easely make sakura go with him, but he takes that other girl instead..


and th how now...

well she seems to be one of orochimaurs, what do i know, caged in people, or experiments most likely...

Just like orochimaru once took the DNA of the first hokage, and split the cells up in pieces or what it was, he implanted them in the bodys of children, which ll died fast exept one....


What if orochimaru had also taken the blood, or cells, or something else from the uchiha?
he could have found some child and given them the cells or how he did it...wll i think you guys know what i'm gettign at...so if he had a uchihas cell, he could so anything with it

yemsta
March 25, 2007, 08:37 AM
Hmm, well i want to think about who the girl is, and for sasukes future plans...

since the begening he DID say he wanted to kill a certain someone(his brother itachi) and revive his clan.....
however he never said it had to be pure blood, althou to married with a person who is not of the uchia, will make the uchiha blood thiner, in result, the genius status of the uchiha will fall down, as he was talking to orochimaru saying the uchihas where the best and what not.....

but yeah, we whont know anything, but that girl, she might be a uchiha
how? and why?

first the why...

this is maybe thw orst reason, what ever
all the uchihas have black hair, he bothers to recruit her, i bet if he would infiltarte konoha he could easely make sakura go with him, but he takes that other girl instead..


and th how now...

well she seems to be one of orochimaurs, what do i know, caged in people, or experiments most likely...

Just like orochimaru once took the DNA of the first hokage, and split the cells up in pieces or what it was, he implanted them in the bodys of children, which ll died fast exept one....


What if orochimaru had also taken the blood, or cells, or something else from the uchiha?
he could have found some child and given them the cells or how he did it...wll i think you guys know what i'm gettign at...so if he had a uchihas cell, he could so anything with it

At first I read this and thought that you were mad but then it could be true because remember there is still the missing uchiha person whi is alive which itachi spoke of that day. But i doubt sasuke went to find an uchiha to have sex with that would be a little weird to say the least.

But if she is an uchiha it would be interesting itachi would be at a slight disadvanteage with 2 other uchihas fighting.

Konkun
March 25, 2007, 09:47 AM
I predict Naruto will fall in love with the new girl from Sasuke's Team (assuming that is it a GIRL). =O

LoT
March 25, 2007, 10:46 AM
Could it be? Could Suigetsu be the "Brother" of Sai?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9792/jkolxe6.png
... Orochimaru

I mean they look a littel equal:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3976/narutov34ch304p15mg6.png
&
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3074/saigetsuxr2.jpg
What do you think about that?

(Great Thanks @ Broken Wing of Consolewars.de)
[Yehaa 1st Post]

Tias
March 25, 2007, 11:51 AM
well yeah, they DO look like each other, one of the annoying problems is that we cant really see sai's ''brothers'' teeth, if we coudl we could determain if it is or not...the same hair colour and same face as when they smile and so....hmmm

and sai's brother was also from konoha, they might have been trained in the same way as in the might village, but arent those 2 villages enemies?

Uchiha Slayer
March 25, 2007, 12:19 PM
Could it be? Could Suigetsu be the "Brother" of Sai?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9792/jkolxe6.png
... Orochimaru

I mean they look a littel equal:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3976/narutov34ch304p15mg6.png
&
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3074/saigetsuxr2.jpg
What do you think about that?

(Great Thanks @ Broken Wing of Consolewars.de)
[Yehaa 1st Post]

very good prediction Lot, that would be a nice twist to the manga.

Karma
March 25, 2007, 12:28 PM
Could it be? Could Suigetsu be the "Brother" of Sai?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/9792/jkolxe6.png
... Orochimaru

I mean they look a littel equal:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3976/narutov34ch304p15mg6.png
&
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3074/saigetsuxr2.jpg
What do you think about that?

(Great Thanks @ Broken Wing of Consolewars.de)
[Yehaa 1st Post]
Its sai brother after all. he looks just like him..

I guess Naruto team and sasuke them going to have so much in common.

Tias
March 25, 2007, 12:46 PM
Then the girl will most likly have some other abilities then just fighing....as we might guess us, she can maybe ''feel'' chakra from a very far distence...something like kiba's nose, in which he can smell them far away, and neji's eyes, in which he can see far away, this girl can ''feel'' chakra from far of, or something like that....but i bet she will also be a fierce fighter

i can kinda see how the team will be like maybe

Sasuke: Calm, collected, silent,dosnt show intend to show off, but does so anyway xD

Suigetsu: less silent, and rather good mooded, maybe abit sarcastic?

Karin(yet to be ssen and stuff): i can kinda guess i atleast think she's full of energi, so some high spirited person(like how lee is, but just not like his style) and maybe still have some ''girly girlish'' attitude in it

Juugo(or what it is): might be some guy he plays big and talk alot, over confident his his abilities, and stuff, and can ususly also back uo his words


i kind asee the team like that....different elements, and different personalities or something
If the Girl looks cute, i will go right away to vector her :P(well i kinda guess she does look ''cute'' or something....well the cloths she has on kinda indicates ot that)

shachi
March 25, 2007, 01:07 PM
what we really have to think about is why sasuke is assemblying a 4 man cell.


he might be recruiting spies. he's recruiting 3 nins. akatsuki has 3 roster spots open...

husnimubarak
March 25, 2007, 01:35 PM
yup.. 4 man cells is required 4 a good teamwork..

1. Captain (allrounder) [sasuke]
2. Close Combat (brawler) [???]
3. long distance one (thinker) [???]
4. Medic nin (support) [???]

if i'm not mistaken.. ;)

THETRUTH.com
March 25, 2007, 02:09 PM
riiiight, w/e u say buddy. im in too bad a mode to argue.


Why dont you just get your thoughts together and post something. But really what can you say that you havent already, I have my opinion you have yours. Except you dont seem open to hearing others opinions. If you make a post then we can debate it dont just say w/e.

Next some of Sasuke's group will show their skills probably against each others Suigetsu has already established he doesnt like the other two the feeling is probably mutual and joked Zabuzas sword may come in handy.

yago_eiki
March 25, 2007, 02:45 PM
About the whole Uchiha-clan revivial... Is kage-bunshins able to reproduce?

Skeith
March 25, 2007, 02:58 PM
About the whole Uchiha-clan revivial... Is kage-bunshins able to reproduce?


how do you mean? like a kage-bunshin using kage-bunshin or a kage-bunshin gettin' down and dirty with someone else? (o.o nah can't happen... can it? -_- my mind has become tainted T~T)

as for next chapter i don't really think much good stuff will happen we could see more of naruto's training or w/e the heck hes doing anymore... or we could see more of sasuke... and i think kishi is gonna be pulling us into a sasuke arc cuz of that pointless funny in the middle of the last chapter (y'know sakura = yaoi fan [ugh]) in which case there maybe more fighting between suigetsu and that girl (the one we got to see OH-so much of) or perhaps that third guy sasuke was talking about hrmm... (this parts a little late but oh well) as for FRS killin' naruto's arm i think that really won't cause much of a problem seeings how he has forced himself to have chakra with the help of the kyuubi before (see Naruto Vs. Neji) and if this does happen he'll become more dependent on the kyuubi which really isn't that good y'know cuz if he were to lose kyuubi then his arms are screwed to hell and he can't do jack about it lol oh well kishi'll find a loop hole y'know he will ^.^

THETRUTH.com
March 25, 2007, 03:30 PM
Dont know if this was brought up but on the Suigetsu being Sai brother thing, Did anyone notice that when Suigetsu detached the handle from Zabuzas sword it looked like the weapon that Sai carries on his back?

Not that it is proof but just another link between them. Sai could also have his own link to the 7 Swordsmen of the Mist maybe being one of them himself or having one of the swords after killing one (Denzou said Sai was strong). As illustrated in his book showing he takes the weapons of the shinobi he defeats.

Skeith
March 25, 2007, 04:22 PM
Well Truth... does sai have much of a past beyond his whole brother thing? maybe he's like one of the 7's kids o.0 but then again i think im gonna stick with everyone being them for now. I like the thought of dead people staying in their graves y'know (so no tobi= obito) nor do i like the thought of the 4th being AL (-_-) although this one has more of a chance of actually occuring, i still say no cuz if it is true then there might be some more arcs delving into their pasts opening up more arcs and introducing more characters and we all know the problem with more characters [right?] plus the similar swords might just be a coinky-dink like the AL appearing to have the same eyes as Kurenai from way back when... i just thought that maybe sai is like zabuza's long lost brother then if he weren't dead they could have a family reunion (oh jeez im giving them ideas) but y'know if suigetsu were to use zabuza's sword it doesn't seem like he can really wield it seeings how he can barely hold it, although didn't he say about him training to use it or something? maybe hes got some weird skill like that char in 666satan [the one with the weight controlled sword (and later the glove/suit/thing)] oh well this is starting to get me more interested in naruto again... we'll have to just keep guessing... sorry for rambling ^.^

[completely off-topic] hey guys what do you think? I like to mess around with my one friend in school cuz hes a die-hard narutard {rhyme} and he told me basically the whole story of God of War II so i was thinking REVENGE! so should i blow all of naruto for him like he ruined that for me? Either way im telling him about the yaoi just to mess with him sorry for this ^.^ [/end completely off-topic]

THETRUTH.com
March 25, 2007, 05:05 PM
It is possible since we dont know much at all about Sais past. Their is probably some reason that Denzou is confident in his strength. But something struck me when Suigetsu took the handle off the sword it just looked so much like Sais weapon which is unique.

ANBU4U
March 25, 2007, 06:11 PM
Why dont you just get your thoughts together and post something. But really what can you say that you havent already, I have my opinion you have yours. Except you dont seem open to hearing others opinions. If you make a post then we can debate it dont just say w/e.

Next some of Sasuke's group will show their skills probably against each others Suigetsu has already established he doesnt like the other two the feeling is probably mutual and joked Zabuzas sword may come in handy.

1) It was late and I wasnt feeling well.

2) I can only counter a legitamte argument.

I based my theories on facts, real world absolutes. Yours is based on "maybe" kiski thinks demon eyes are cool. "Maybe" he's learned to sharpen his vision (and ill add that if that IS the case he's still using the fox's chakra).

It doesnt matter how little or much he's using it. HE IS. there is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that he would have any semblance of the kyuubi's eyes if he wern't tapping into its chakra. period. WHENEVER he's tapping into its power he presents some of the fox's features including his EYES, a deepinging of his "whiskers", fangs, claws, or red chakra. Depending on how much he's drawing we've seen these features get more defined......SO, logicaly we can assume there's a correlation between how many of the demons features present, and how strongly Naruto is drawing on it's chakra.

SO, without jumping to too many conclusions I can confidently say that Fox Eyes= Kyuubi Chakra usage, how much is irrelavent to this argument.

I dont have to pull anything out of my ass like o....kishi thinks demon eyes look cool, it doesnt mean he's using its chakra. Or that he's learned to enhance his vision by using the fox's eyes.....but somehow not it's chakra.

Believe what you want, but dont assume I automatically disregard the opinions of others. I simply disregard those that have no evidence, as they hold no weight. Such as yours.
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About the whole Uchiha-clan revivial... Is kage-bunshins able to reproduce?

Hahaha....well they are "real"...

We all know what real teenagers would do with such a thing.
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Dont know if this was brought up but on the Suigetsu being Sai brother thing, Did anyone notice that when Suigetsu detached the handle from Zabuzas sword it looked like the weapon that Sai carries on his back?

Not that it is proof but just another link between them. Sai could also have his own link to the 7 Swordsmen of the Mist maybe being one of them himself or having one of the swords after killing one (Denzou said Sai was strong). As illustrated in his book showing he takes the weapons of the shinobi he defeats.

A bit of a stretch. I doubt they have any relation.

In fact as far as Naruto is concerned I think you can count on any flashback deaths being the real thing. The best theory to the contrary being the tobi/obito thing. Remember Rin has never really been confirmed dead.

Theres alot of ungrounded assumptions about this "karin" woman as well. I mean the way kishi has been jumping around in time lately I find it more likely that Sauske and the Sugeitsu (sp.) are just close already and shes senses one or the other approaching (pressumably each as met her, or been near her b4). Assuming that she has some sort of super sensing ability rather than the normal ninja chakra sensing deal is more than a stretch.

As for the kaRIN theory thats goin around I mean....I can see the logic I guess. But still, I'd wait until I saw more than her back on that one. I do think Rins around somewhere tho.


@ The TRUTH

I re-read the chapter because I had no clue what you were talking about with the whole handle thing. Good eye, He detached that handle very suddely in like the smallest frame of the last pages....I have no clue what that could be about tho. It maybe be as simple as keeping others from using the sword.

I guess it does look like what weve seen of Sai's weapon but I doubt they're related. It seems to be an ANBU thing, Kakashi has the same thing on his back in most of his anbu shots, so so a few others....it might be a donto or the White Chakra Blade, im not sure. But either way it proves that there are other weapons that look like that handle when sheathed.

STOIC
March 25, 2007, 08:25 PM
4Ghost... those were a really good couple of thoughts.. i mean even with Sasuke and Danzou and even Sasuke keeping Naruto close-by so that Itachi would indeed of to Come to Him rather than looking all over the place..

never thought of that (Y) good stuff..
you think sasuke is akatsuki level? lol it seems like he is indeed cuz well.. he did do Orochimaru in.. with like... little effort..

Why is everyone so hyped up over this girl that was in the lair? Karin?? where the hell is kabuto..

i wonder if kabuto will stick around sasuke..

erikrhys
March 25, 2007, 08:27 PM
^^
wow! someone has WAAAAYYYYY too much time on their hands to type all that ^-^
i mean anbu4u

deathshadow25
March 25, 2007, 09:23 PM
These Days I have been feeling disillusioned about Naruto, When you first start out you meet Zabuza and Kakashi who are WAY stronger than Naruto and Co. The you meet Orochimaru who immediately sets the new standard of strong in Naruto. Then You hear of Akatsuki and Itachi who yet again set another level of strength. Now Sasuke has beaten Orochimaru at such a young age and with relative ease. Where I'm going with this I don't know, but hopefully someone else will...

THETRUTH.com
March 25, 2007, 10:05 PM
@ANBU4U

All I was saying was post something dont w/e. The reason I said "maybe" was because I am not sure because this is manga no absolutes Kishi brought Gaara back from the dead. So Kishi can do anything he wants, Naruto is his. I dont have a problem with anyones theories but you jump on here and act like you can see into the future. We dont know how the Kekkai Genkai are developed or when. We could be witness that right now we dont know. Oh yeah "there is nothing absolutely nothing" to suggest otherwise either. Naruto hasnt fought since we dont know for sure if he was tapping into Kyuubi's chakra or is he changing in other ways(proof for neither both are possible).

What you didnt seem to get from my other post was just because you dont agree doesnt mean you have to disrespectful to what others post. Everyone should feel like they can post without their theories being disrespected it makes people not want to post.

ornis
March 25, 2007, 11:49 PM
I'm predicting the return of Danzou and his Root into the story. Once Sasuke's team is fully assembled I don't imagine them immediately confronting Akatsuki. I think Root would be the first to get a taste of what Sasuke's group is capable of. Once they have displayed what they are capable of Sasuke will be able to get Danzou to conspire with him. For Danzou it will be to remove the source of the Akatsuki threat from Konoha. For Sasuke it would be to gain control of Akatsuki's target so as to force his brother to come after him.

Your view's realization would be fantastic. However, I believe Itachi plans for Sasuke's "victory," but only because Itachi wants the Akatsuki Leader to "flex Sasuke's wings," to lure the Kyuubi into submission---the greatest Uchiha combined with the Kyuubi may lead to a greater unified being. The dominated world Akatsuki may desire could be an all powerful entity and every other Aka member cannot know--not even Itachi's family could be alive to potentially guard the secret, so the organization is just as dead, is just a ploy. The focus is AL's desired "peace of mind." But he won't use 9 bijuu, he will use the final tenth bijuu, the one that comes from every beast combined and every person channeling it... Akatsuki is the rising light of the future, the red dawn: every shinobi shall depend on the new dawn and the new dawn shall depend on every shinobi.

Trust me, if it doesn't happen, I won't be broken I believe even crazier twists could happen. And I can't stop thinking about Kakashi. *wierd moment* He's so good-hearted, so wise. How far would he go to protect Obito's legacy...?

ANBU4U
March 26, 2007, 12:12 AM
@ANBU4U

All I was saying was post something dont w/e. The reason I said "maybe" was because I am not sure because this is manga no absolutes Kishi brought Gaara back from the dead. So Kishi can do anything he wants, Naruto is his. I dont have a problem with anyones theories but you jump on here and act like you can see into the future. We dont know how the Kekkai Genkai are developed or when. We could be witness that right now we dont know. Oh yeah "there is nothing absolutely nothing" to suggest otherwise either. Naruto hasnt fought since we dont know for sure if he was tapping into Kyuubi's chakra or is he changing in other ways(proof for neither both are possible).

What you didnt seem to get from my other post was just because you dont agree doesnt mean you have to disrespectful to what others post. Everyone should feel like they can post without their theories being disrespected it makes people not want to post.

huh?

When were we discussing the development of kekkai Genkai? In any way?

Clearly its a manga, and kishi can make sauskes urine the cure for cancer if he wants to. But that doesnt make it likely. We can all come up with ideas and justify them as at least possible based on the fact that is...u know...a fake world, but that doesnt make them vaild theories. My point is if you're gonna go so far as to start an argument with someone at least come with evidence, otherwise dont whine when your "theory" is shot down by someone with a better case.

Im all for a good debate, I love them in fact, if you can prove me wrong...and I have been convienced I was so many times...more power to you. But if you cant make a solid argument, dont. Just leave it be a wait for ur next idea.

$$EDIT$$

I've been re-reading and I suppose I was a bit too harsh. So yea...sorry, Ill try to tone it down in the future.

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I'm predicting the return of Danzou and his Root into the story. Once Sasuke's team is fully assembled I don't imagine them immediately confronting Akatsuki. I think Root would be the first to get a taste of what Sasuke's group is capable of. Once they have displayed what they are capable of Sasuke will be able to get Danzou to conspire with him. For Danzou it will be to remove the source of the Akatsuki threat from Konoha. For Sasuke it would be to gain control of Akatsuki's target so as to force his brother to come after him.

He WAS a really good bad guy wasnt he? When he first appeared I thought "O crap...it'll be a coup" ....but he and sai ended up...idk...backing off or whatever....kinda anti-climactic. I agree though, the whole root thing was wayyyyy too juicy for kishi to have just let it go, so it will probably pop up as a major issue soon....hell it'll happen if only to develope Sai more, he's been kinda...sittin there for awhile now.

ornis
March 26, 2007, 01:31 AM
He WAS a really good bad guy wasnt he? When he first appeared I thought "O crap...it'll be a coup" ....but he and sai ended up...idk...backing off or whatever....kinda anti-climactic. I agree though, the whole root thing was wayyyyy too juicy for kishi to have just let it go, so it will probably pop up as a major issue soon....hell it'll happen if only to develope Sai more, he's been kinda...sittin there for awhile now.

Sai has been a lame duck for a sec! LOL The Root thing..err idea would be fun to play with. Damn it, Kishi do something freaking crazy. Oro was sick, I don't care if he faked his damn death. Felt sorry--honestly, but that was a plot device, and I hate plot devices that make sick people damn there psychonuts---Hah, irony... nevermind. Wonder if Sasuke's gonna drown soon. The Icarus image is too much to bear. Fly to the Sun and fall, then at least TRY to swim you pompous Uchiha! Perhaps he just wants to save his blood--but what about the Will of Fire--I don't care if I said it before--the runt's defiant! *relaxes*

yemsta
March 26, 2007, 01:56 AM
These Days I have been feeling disillusioned about Naruto, When you first start out you meet Zabuza and Kakashi who are WAY stronger than Naruto and Co. The you meet Orochimaru who immediately sets the new standard of strong in Naruto. Then You hear of Akatsuki and Itachi who yet again set another level of strength. Now Sasuke has beaten Orochimaru at such a young age and with relative ease. Where I'm going with this I don't know, but hopefully someone else will...

but u have to remember orochimaru was very sick at the time so it wasnt exactly a fair fight. And I think you have to remember with watching naruto that it isnt a matter of this person can beat this person and so on. its about who has the advantage in the situation and who has done their research i guess. look at shikamaru vs hidan)

4ghost
March 26, 2007, 03:17 AM
I believe the stories pacing is better served with the Root introduced in an early arc and brought back in a later arc as a point of confliction. It is true that many people anticipated much from Danzou and the Root, but at the time their story wouldn't have that much connection to anything outside of Konoha like the Akatsuki.


I based my theories on facts, real world absolutes. Yours is based on "maybe" kiski thinks demon eyes are cool. "Maybe" he's learned to sharpen his vision (and ill add that if that IS the case he's still using the fox's chakra).

It doesnt matter how little or much he's using it. HE IS. there is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that he would have any semblance of the kyuubi's eyes if he wern't tapping into its chakra. period.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2586/truestrengthce2.th.png (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=truestrengthce2.png)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/925/mysterysz8.th.png (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mysterysz8.png)

Looking over these panels from the Retrieve Sasuke arc we'll find that there are newly introduce manga facts that could suggest an alternate reason for his fox eyes. There IS something mysterious about Naruto's ability to withstand the Kyuubi chakra and possibly a reason behind why he was chosen as the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki.

yago_eiki
March 26, 2007, 03:21 AM
Hahaha....well they are "real"...

We all know what real teenagers would do with such a thing.
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So that's why kage bunshin was in the scroll of forbidden techniques! It's all getting clear to me now. ^^

JadeSpirit
March 26, 2007, 03:42 AM
but u have to remember orochimaru was very sick at the time so it wasnt exactly a fair fight. And I think you have to remember with watching naruto that it isnt a matter of this person can beat this person and so on. its about who has the advantage in the situation and who has done their research i guess. look at shikamaru vs hidan)


These Days I have been feeling disillusioned about Naruto, When you first start out you meet Zabuza and Kakashi who are WAY stronger than Naruto and Co. The you meet Orochimaru who immediately sets the new standard of strong in Naruto. Then You hear of Akatsuki and Itachi who yet again set another level of strength. Now Sasuke has beaten Orochimaru at such a young age and with relative ease. Where I'm going with this I don't know, but hopefully someone else will...

I doubt Orochimaru REALLY went down that fast...Sure,Sasuke may have gotten stronger but surely not by that much...

matsyes
March 26, 2007, 06:25 AM
So that's why kage bunshin was in the scroll of forbidden techniques! It's all getting clear to me now. ^^

yeah i think we have all now come to understand the true power of kage bunshin ... I'm surprised jiraiya never used it for his research ... send a kage bunshin to the womens bath instead of just peeking ... :D
Well in the next chapter i think we're going to focus more and more on sasuke ...with naruto finally being healed and the extent of the damage on him being determined ... also thefact that naruto cant use a powerful jutsu reminds me of how kakashi couldn't use chidori properly until he got the sharingan which made it into a complete jutsu ... i think kishi is gonna do something with naruto also so that he can use rasenshuriken.

Though i don't get why he can't use a kagebunshin so that he doesn't sustain damage.

Hot_Line_To_Hell
March 26, 2007, 07:02 AM
also thef act that naruto cant use a powerful jutsu reminds me of how kakashi couldn't use chidori properly until he got the sharingan which made it into a complete jutsu ... i think kishi is gonna do something with naruto also so that he can use rasenshuriken.



l think what you said is very true, and to complete the jutsu and him self he will need to do something about the Kyubi

As we know the seal on Naruto is fadeing and more and more of the Kyūbi chakra is leaking into Naruto, what l think is that the seal was meant to do this ..... In the Naruto world the Kyūbi is one of the most powerful creatures if not the most, because of this of this l don't think it can be killed, true it has been stoped by the 4th sealing it in naruto.

l think there are 2 things that could happen with Naruto and the Kyūbi

1, Naruto and the Kyūbi will begin to become one as the seal fades more and more, thus Naruto and the Kyūbi will be replaced by a new character

2, When the seal is broken completely the will be a fight of wills much like Sasuke-chan :p and Orochimaru-Sama ;) with Naruto wining and thus when the final battle begins between Sasuke-chan and Naruto they will be the same-level each having a monster inside of them .... but in the end Naruto will win ..... god only knows how :p

Well thats waht l think but knowing my luck l'm completely off base, lol

Mendes
March 26, 2007, 07:19 AM
2, When the seal is broken completely the will be a fight of wills much like Sasuke-chan :p and Orochimaru-Sama ;) with Naruto wining and thus when the final battle begins between Sasuke-chan and Naruto they will be the same-level each having a monster inside of them .... but in the end Naruto will win ..... god only knows how :p


i think the sasuke-oro relation is different from the naruto-fox. its clear that the fox doesnt have any objective other than getting out of naruto(which seems impossible for now). it even helps keeping naruto alive, supporting him with chakra and healing his wounds. as for oro, if he isnt dead (which i think he isnt) he's probably hidden inside sasuke waiting for the perfect chance to get out (maybe changing to a new body from inside sasuke's). so i dont think oro will be inside sasuke for that long. the parallel of ninja-monster in the main characters is still just in naruto and gaara and i think it'll stay like that.

elnino
March 26, 2007, 08:12 AM
i think the rasen shuriken needs to be maintained for a second or so even after it hits the opponent.
that means naruto cant use kage bunshin to use it.
besides,kishi gave naruto a reprieve when he said that technique is only 50% complete.
also naruto used something like the fuuton rasengan when he first appeared bfore kakuzu.

GRADUATE13
March 26, 2007, 08:16 AM
sasuke is forming is four man team now, I hope this new member that they going for, comes from the hidden village of the rock

Aktski-Itachi
March 26, 2007, 08:17 AM
why not just throw the rasenshurikken, no damage to his arm = :) , also be kool if he were able to make little rasenkunai or something like that as well.

Schabrak
March 26, 2007, 08:38 AM
why not just throw the rasenshurikken, no damage to his arm = :) , also be kool if he were able to make little rasenkunai or something like that as well.
Because it would molder the moment it left his hand...
I wanna see a new technique and not another rasengan modification.
..and Kishi has to stop focusing the whole story around Sasuke. It is not called Naruto for nothing.

ornis
March 26, 2007, 10:20 AM
Because it would molder the moment it left his hand...
I wanna see a new technique and not another rasengan modification.
..and Kishi has to stop focusing the whole story around Sasuke. It is not called Naruto for nothing.

He's already doing that. And just because the story involves Naruto does not mean the title only revolves around his character---a naruto is a whirlpool, and great relationships often consume selfish ambitions and make multiple goals embrace each other.

Not depending on Kyuubi has been troublesome for Naruto but the reward is greater. Not depending on a demon is clearly impossible for Sasuke with his brother still living. Whatever it takes to kill that man, life for Sasuke is going to be stormy. Plus, deceiving your comrades, endangering them and forcing them to grow farther away from their home may improve their view of the world. However, Sasuke's trail isn't worth traveling if he cares less about Konoha and more about proud corrections. The fact that Team 7 still searches for him means that Konoha can forgive him, but Sasuke has not humbled himself enough to accept their mercy.

Sasuke will be weaker in the long run. He was too irresponsible to embrace Konohakagure and focused on fallen leaves that fell for a purpose. The village resembles a tree and the seasons make its life important---not hasty fires and deliberate deviances from the tree's goal, its roots.

The focus on Sasuke shows how weak he is. His stength is superficial: Compared to Rasengan's impact, a smal hole from his Chidori made him pout, the death of his clan made him scream. If he has ever cried he probably wasted his time on the emptiness of it all. He never cried for Konoha's passion, for their life, for their sacrifice, for his true self--as a real leaf.

Fatal juxtaposition helps life matter.
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2, When the seal is broken completely the will be a fight of wills much like Sasuke-chan :p and Orochimaru-Sama ;) with Naruto wining and thus when the final battle begins between Sasuke-chan and Naruto they will be the same-level each having a monster inside of them .... but in the end Naruto will win ..... god only knows how :p



I have to disagree. If we start with the base of any being we have a mere creature. The way we discover its possibilty creates a demon or an angel. The monsters Sasuke and Naruto possess cannot define them to me. Naruto defines his creature's potential, the same goes for Sasuke. I believe they will not be equals. Pride has already revealed Sasuke's beast and humility has redefined Naruto's.
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the parallel of ninja-monster in the main characters is still just in naruto and gaara and i think it'll stay like that.

I don't think the parallel ends so easily. The Curse Seals and the Sasu vs Oro fight provide revealing transformations that magnify characters very well. Sasuke tolerated Orochimaru's "growth hormone," the curse seal. But in growing powerful, he grew delinquent and more impatient. His crazy acceptance of Oro's "invitation" was the moment he tested his wings and flew from his nest---a few years later, and he's cunningly hunting down the snake that pined for Sasuke's wings! The characterization is visually, dramatically, and ironically incredible. But the best part is his contrast to Naruto---Sasuke's character has been "released" to the wild; Naruto's character is being "domesticated."

Mendes
March 26, 2007, 11:45 AM
thats true but still sasuke got his "monster side" willingly and now that he "killed" oro, he's probably in total control of his cursed seal. even if he hadnt disposed of oro, i believe sasuke learned how to control his cursed seal better than anyone with the same seal.
what i mean is that naruto and gaara couldnt choose as sasuke did and, although having domesticated their monsters, they accept that the monster will never begone.
thats a great difference between the two situations

ornis
March 26, 2007, 12:15 PM
Your point is understandable. I don't think the impact of being a "demon container" will leave Naruto or Gaara--but the creature was removed from Gaara and Gaara exists. However he was truly "brought to life" with Naruto's help. Gaara was allowed to realize a precious commodity is more valuable than "existentialism..." killing someone else to "feel alive" doesn't make your life worth squat. Gaara chose to accept the fact. He could've stayed hardened by the past--like Sasuke is.

Sasuke may change like Gaara did but if he changes easily (if he doesn't have to be rescued) his defiance would amount to nothing imo. And though they couldn't choose to put the beast in their bodies, I believe either Naru or Gaara could've completed/commited suicide to reject the fact that they had to deal with those creatures... they could have chosen not to be resopnsible for the gifts or the burdens. If that would've happened, I'd just have proof that Kishi wants us to see the possibilty.

Mendes
March 26, 2007, 12:20 PM
And choice or no,t I believe either Naru or Gaara could've completed/commited suicide to reject the fact that they had monsters... If that would've happened I'd just have proof that Kishi wants us to see the possibilty.

lol that'd be pretty hard, coz gaara's sand protects him whether he wishes for it or not. same for naruto as the fox heals him too fast :P

ornis
March 26, 2007, 12:39 PM
Also, because Sasuke's will was "strong" he also accepted Orochimaru's "token." However Sasuke's will is very chaotic to say the least.

The curse Seal works best for the most passionate "victim" or desirer if anyone else desired the seal. But it is a "curse" and a "seal." Sasuke's version shows the seal as a forced suppressor of normal chakra and thus a normal chakra system. If Sasuke decides to use it he defies his original body and soul to reveal the possible beast he could've been all along. But Sasuke still could not stop Oro from bitting him---he decided the next step after he was infected---maybe he could've ran, maybe Oro would chase him down forever---Sasuke needed to face Itachi ultimately---not Oro and the next step towards defeating Itachi at Itachi's own game, ending the weasel's purpose, etc., could only be helped by a "growth hormone." Could only be helped by challenging Oro or proving himself to be valuable with Oro's "help." But Sasuke couldn't take the help from Oro; he had to submit to Oro's infection... if Oro decided to let him.... Sasuke just gambled everything in what seems to be a "moment's notice."
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lol that'd be pretty hard, coz gaara's sand protects him whether he wishes for it or not. same for naruto as the fox heals him too fast :P

Gaara's tattoo was made from his own wrathful intent---he used the sand to carve a scar that will always say "one who loves [him]self."If he could do that much with his own will, imagine the possibility. (Unless someone can heal the scar superficially Gaara's flesh will still show it---but Naruto already helped heal it emotionally, mentally, and spiritually; and if the scar can be seen superficially forever, that means little to the impact of deeper healing:p)

Mendes
March 26, 2007, 12:57 PM
its true sasuke got the infection unwillingly, but kakashi "sealed the seal" and made sasuke's will the key to open (or keep locked) the cursed seal. however sasuke Did take the power willingly, that was his choice. if he hadnt accept the power the seal wouldn't be a problem anymore and he wouldn't become a 'monster'

STOIC
March 26, 2007, 01:03 PM
Im pretty sure Jiraiya could have removed the seal from sasuke... i mean it is his level anyways.. Kakashi's sealing level would have no bearing against a Seal that orochimaru created..

Was it ever stated that only orochimaru could remove the seal? and wasnt it supposed to corrode the user's body and eventually imprison them? kinda seems odd that he still uses it full flesh and orochimaru is the one that is imprisoned...


oh right.. predictions..

Wonder if this girl could possibly be an Uchiha :P stupid.. meh.. i dont see why everyones so excited on finding out who she is..
she just magically showed up at orochimaru;s base? found out he's dead or whatever.. n Oh.. thats it?

im more excited about seeing the other characters in sasuke's show... kinda seems odd that they would have the same goal..
plus the way the talk of orochimaru.. it's like he had no strength at all "One of us would have gotten him eventually, it just that (sasuke) was his favourite and thus, didn't get locked up" meh

badluckartist
March 26, 2007, 02:23 PM
Nobody but maybe Kishi can say one way or another about why Naruto's eyes looked like that during the last fight ophidials theory is possible (Kishi might just think it looks cool). If Naruto happens to have the Kyuubi eyes but they are blue instead of red would that be an indication of who was supplying most of the chakra. He did seem different in the latest battle from previous battles when he had fox-eyes. Naruto might appear that way during times of increased focus from now on. Or maybe Naruto discovered the ability to sharpened his vision while training (New Ability). Kishi likes to do things with character's eyes, the two most well-known Kekkai Genkai in Konoha both deal with eyes. It could have been a one-time thing we just dont know at this point.

i agree, mostly. naruto's eyes don't dictate what chakra he's using, theyre just <i>really</i> cool looking. i draw quite a bit myself, and i have to say that eyes are definitely the most fun thing to play around with when drawing a character youve drawn a billion times. also, naruto's eyes shouldnt dictate the nature of his chakra, it should be the chakra itself. since he used the one-tailed form, his chakra has ALWAYS been bubbly when accessing the fox's power. his physical features shouldnt be taken into account, least not of all just his eyes. it would be another thing {MAYBE} if his canines and nails grew and his whisker marks spread, but they didnt, so bleh. no fox chakra vs. kakuzu, : p

and the fox mightve been a potent advantage earlier on, but now it's officially a hinderence. naruto has to use a good chunk of his chakra to hold it back, and it can't heal the mess done to his nerves because of that {retarded} rasenshuriken.

so. back to the official topic of this thread, i feel like we're on a time bomb as any chapter coming up could be the end we see of sasuke for a good dozen chapters. it's just like kishi to leave out a story to replace it with another for a while {notice how akatsuki's been pushed out for the last dozen or so chapters since kakuzu and hidan got all messed up}. like i said the other day, for the first time in this manga, im actually interested in sasuke; he's actually had a plan forming from the start. and the mystery girl...

rin. karin? rin? obito? tobi? ...

seriously, if at least one of those is not true, im going to feel incredibley stupid. i bet she's going to be a medic nin too. and she's going to fight it off with kabuto. and then meet up with sasuke. and then her, tobi, and kakashi are going to have an awkward meeting later.

ANBU4U
March 26, 2007, 02:40 PM
I believe the stories pacing is better served with the Root introduced in an early arc and brought back in a later arc as a point of confliction. It is true that many people anticipated much from Danzou and the Root, but at the time their story wouldn't have that much connection to anything outside of Konoha like the Akatsuki.



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Looking over these panels from the Retrieve Sasuke arc we'll find that there are newly introduce manga facts that could suggest an alternate reason for his fox eyes. There IS something mysterious about Naruto's ability to withstand the Kyuubi chakra and possibly a reason behind why he was chosen as the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki.

How is that relevant?

All it suggest is a reason why he can withstand thwe fox's chakra, it in no way implys that he's not using its chakra.

If anything it helps my point.

Tias
March 26, 2007, 03:12 PM
@blackluckartist

uh, do you really think that rin wil be karin? -.-

sasukes group is most likly going to be a team with people around his age....but her being a midcal ninja, well it can be, who knows?


tobi, well yeah, alot of people think it's obito, her also does behave goofy liek him....and his mask has only 1 hole. which is in the right side, well obitos eye got taken out, which is his left one...and the right one should have been crushed <_<

The Flash
March 26, 2007, 03:27 PM
How is that relevant?

All it suggest is a reason why he can withstand thwe fox's chakra, it in no way implys that he's not using its chakra.

If anything it helps my point.

Yes that is correct, he does use Kyuubii Chakra when his eyes go Kyuubi. But how do you know how much is he using? From the facts from the manga chapters, I can assume he is using a little amount of Kyuubi chakra, when he uses a lot of Kyuubi Chakra he goes out of control and goes to Kyuubii form.

Proof: That is why naruto needs Yamato so he can use a lot of Kyuubi Chakra without going to Kyuubii form when he was training. Why? Because if naruto tries to do it, he will go to Kyuubi form <<<(solid proof there).

Another example to prove my point : Go read Chapter 322 pages 9 - 12.

To Summarize this for you:

This is when Yamato is already concentrating on the kyuubi chakra so naruto can train. Since Naruto tried to force himelf (if you think about it,it kind of created an unbalancing effect since Yamato is already putting a lot of concentration on the Kyuubii), Yamato lost his grip. Naruto Immediately went to Kyuubii form (4 tails)<<FOUR TAILS.

So what if he uses a little of Kyuubi chakra, doesnt mean he will use the Kyuubi form. Since he decided that he wont use it. (he even rejected Kyuubi himself when Kyuubi was offering his power to him) ..



So.... ANBU4U.....tell me..

What is your point.....That naruto uses a little of Kyuubii Chakra when "fighting" (like it will make a huge difference)? By reading some of your posts, it kinda seems your like a typical sasuke fan..no? or are you just a naruto - hater?

If you say it is the edge because naruto can train faster, that i can understand. But Naruto can indeed train faster without Kyuubii, but not as fast. He can do Taijuu kage bunshin because he already has a lot of chakra. And i think you know that.

Ok lets just say in your term that "naruto's edge" is Kyuubii, and i say sasuke's edge is Sharingan.

Now lets remove those two edges. Guess who will win if they both fought? I put my money on Naruto. Naruto has more Chakra and a greater Stamina then Sasuke.

Sasuke is much more weaker without the sharingan (not necessarily really weak since he is a genius), he relies to much on it.. then again that is his clan's bloodline technique right? (Even though their a great clan, their so cheap, that is all i have to say)

Naruto
kyuubii(edge) - cancelled
Wind natured Chakra (Fyuuton Rasengan - one hit kill baby. oh yeah)
High Chakra
High stamina
Kage Bunshin
Summoning technique
decent taijutsu skill
Forbiden technique( we dont know yet)

Sasuke
Sharingan(cheap edge, Uchiha is useless without these eyes) - cancelled
Fire Natured Chakra
Lightning Natured Chakra (has an ADVANCED knowledge)
Normal Chakra
Normal Stamina
Amazing Taijutsu skill
Forbidden technique ( we dont know yet)

Now if we cancel out all of those factors, I say the fight is pretty much even. The reason i chose naruto is because if he uses his mind more(which we are seeing now ex: fight against kakazu), He can probably defeat sasuke. If naruto doesnt, and decides to go all out, the fight will be even.

But hey thats my opinion. And we all know we are entitled to our own opinion.

Mendes
March 26, 2007, 03:45 PM
its useless to think "what if he didnt have...". they Do have their advantages... but what about it? most of the ninjas have inborn characteristics... naruto-kyuubi; uchihas-sharingaan; hyyugas- byakugan... and so on... even those who doesnt have theese inborn abilities actually learn their clan's restrict abilities... kiba&clan-taming dogs; shino&clan-control bugs; shikamaru&clan-shadow tecniques... and so on. lets not talk about dependency in these factors... they have their powers, good for them!

dfcarolinaguy
March 26, 2007, 03:57 PM
my prediction is that we will see another member join sasuke.

Dxl
March 26, 2007, 04:03 PM
@the flash

what about sasukes cursed seal? that's another advantage for sasuke?

ANBU4U
March 26, 2007, 05:20 PM
He's already doing that. And just because the story involves Naruto does not mean the title only revolves around his character---a naruto is a whirlpool, and great relationships often consume selfish ambitions and make multiple goals embrace each other.

Not depending on Kyuubi has been troublesome for Naruto but the reward is greater. Not depending on a demon is clearly impossible for Sasuke with his brother still living. Whatever it takes to kill that man, life for Sasuke is going to be stormy. Plus, deceiving your comrades, endangering them and forcing them to grow farther away from their home may improve their view of the world. However, Sasuke's trail isn't worth traveling if he cares less about Konoha and more about proud corrections. The fact that Team 7 still searches for him means that Konoha can forgive him, but Sasuke has not humbled himself enough to accept their mercy.

Sasuke will be weaker in the long run. He was too irresponsible to embrace Konohakagure and focused on fallen leaves that fell for a purpose. The village resembles a tree and the seasons make its life important---not hasty fires and deliberate deviances from the tree's goal, its roots.

The focus on Sasuke shows how weak he is. His stength is superficial: Compared to Rasengan's impact, a smal hole from his Chidori made him pout, the death of his clan made him scream. If he has ever cried he probably wasted his time on the emptiness of it all. He never cried for Konoha's passion, for their life, for their sacrifice, for his true self--as a real leaf.

Fatal juxtaposition helps life matter.
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A bit subjective isnt it?

Still, points for sheer poeticism.
I was nearly moved to tears.

Gulio
March 26, 2007, 05:33 PM
If naruto was in a fight and he was about to die, or if someone else he loved (Sakura) was about to die... he'd go Kyubii.

ANBU4U
March 26, 2007, 05:48 PM
Yes that is correct, he does use Kyuubii Chakra when his eyes go Kyuubi. But how do you know how much is he using? From the facts from the manga chapters, I can assume he is using a little amount of Kyuubi chakra, when he uses a lot of Kyuubi Chakra he goes out of control and goes to Kyuubii form.

Proof: That is why naruto needs Yamato so he can use a lot of Kyuubi Chakra without going to Kyuubii form when he was training. Why? Because if naruto tries to do it, he will go to Kyuubi form <<<(solid proof there).

Another example to prove my point : Go read Chapter 322 pages 9 - 12.

To Summarize this for you:

This is when Yamato is already concentrating on the kyuubi chakra so naruto can train. Since Naruto tried to force himelf (if you think about it,it kind of created an unbalancing effect since Yamato is already putting a lot of concentration on the Kyuubii), Yamato lost his grip. Naruto Immediately went to Kyuubii form (4 tails)<<FOUR TAILS.

So what if he uses a little of Kyuubi chakra, doesnt mean he will use the Kyuubi form. Since he decided that he wont use it. (he even rejected Kyuubi himself when Kyuubi was offering his power to him) ..



So.... ANBU4U.....tell me..

What is your point.....That naruto uses a little of Kyuubii Chakra when "fighting" (like it will make a huge difference)? By reading some of your posts, it kinda seems your like a typical sasuke fan..no? or are you just a naruto - hater?

If you say it is the edge because naruto can train faster, that i can understand. But Naruto can indeed train faster without Kyuubii, but not as fast. He can do Taijuu kage bunshin because he already has a lot of chakra. And i think you know that.

Ok lets just say in your term that "naruto's edge" is Kyuubii, and i say sasuke's edge is Sharingan.

Now lets remove those two edges. Guess who will win if they both fought? I put my money on Naruto. Naruto has more Chakra and a greater Stamina then Sasuke.

Sasuke is much more weaker without the sharingan (not necessarily really weak since he is a genius), he relies to much on it.. then again that is his clan's bloodline technique right? (Even though their a great clan, their so cheap, that is all i have to say)

Naruto
kyuubii(edge) - cancelled
Wind natured Chakra (Fyuuton Rasengan - one hit kill baby. oh yeah)
High Chakra
High stamina
Kage Bunshin
Summoning technique
decent taijutsu skill
Forbiden technique( we dont know yet)

Sasuke
Sharingan(cheap edge, Uchiha is useless without these eyes) - cancelled
Fire Natured Chakra
Lightning Natured Chakra (has an ADVANCED knowledge)
Normal Chakra
Normal Stamina
Amazing Taijutsu skill
Forbidden technique ( we dont know yet)

Now if we cancel out all of those factors, I say the fight is pretty much even. The reason i chose naruto is because if he uses his mind more(which we are seeing now ex: fight against kakazu), He can probably defeat sasuke. If naruto doesnt, and decides to go all out, the fight will be even.

But hey thats my opinion. And we all know we are entitled to our own opinion.

Thats in no way relevant to the current argument, so I can only assume you havent read all my post. To summarize Ill reiterate my points in bullet form.

* That Naruto ; like a few others namely Sauske, Neji, ect., is NOT a normal ninja.
* The Kyuubi gives naruto a significant advantage over normal ninja.
* That in the end it will be Narutos natural advantages, combined with his work ethic, that allow him to become THE best, not just one or the other.
* That a "normal" ninja such as Iruka, or Ino, could never be the eqaul of ninja with significant special attributes assuming those ninja are able to reach their full potential.
* That in the end, while hard work will take you to the top, natural advantages will make u the "best of the best" not hard work.
** and once more for emphasis...that Naruto HAS the advantages that will ultimately allow him to do so, namely the kyyubi, which he uses often, conciously and unconciously.

SO, the issue is not how much demon chakra he uses, or how powerfull his own chakra is, or even how he'd prefom against Sauske if they both hypothetically became "normal" ninja.

The issue is "Does Naruto use his natrual advantages over normal ninja to his advantage." and I suppose that could be followed with "Could another ninja utilize the same methods?"

The answers being. "YES, whenever he's pressured, and sometimes when he's not." and "No, only naruto has such abilities, and they cannot be taught, or copied"

So there, if you disagree, disagree on those basis. If you people are still arguing with me about how much fox chakra the kid uses you might as well be arguing with someone else because the point is moot.

THETRUTH.com
March 26, 2007, 06:04 PM
huh?
Clearly its a manga, and kishi can make sauskes urine the cure for cancer if he wants to. But that doesnt make it likely. We can all come up with ideas and justify them as at least possible based on the fact that is...u know...a fake world, but that doesnt make them vaild theories. My point is if you're gonna go so far as to start an argument with someone at least come with evidence, otherwise dont whine when your "theory" is shot down by someone with a better case.

$$EDIT$$

I've been re-reading and I suppose I was a bit too harsh. So yea...sorry, Ill try to tone it down in the future.



There is no proof one way or the other that is my point Naruto has only appeared like that once. So how can I prove anything? How can you disprove anything? It was stated that Naruto shouldnt use the Kyuubi chakra any longer because that isnt his "real power" Yamato was there didnt seem to care that he may have been using Kyuubi chakra. The main thing I was doing was not proving you wrong but simply throwing out possiblities, saying their are other option for Kishi to go in the story (ex. Kekkai Genkai). I was never trying to prove anything just presenting creative future option.

"Whine" please man chill out. You misunderstood me from the beginning then you make it personal with unnecessary like the one I just mentioned.

Honestly if the Mods werent still helping setup the site they would have already said something to us.

Deinonychus
March 26, 2007, 07:16 PM
Sorry, ANBU4U, I didnt exactly understand your point. You're saying Naruto would be a normal ninja, if it wasnt for the Kyubi? Thats the way I'm interpreting your position on the matter. The Kyubi gives him some sort of edge.
But actually I agree with what most of the other guys have said. I think the training Naruto has followed has somehow made him more independent in terms of his relationship with the Kyubi's power and chakra.
For example, he didnt seem to use any Kyubi chakra to defeat Kakuzu (at least that wasnt manifested). A ninja who is able to defeat Kakuzu isnt exactly a normal ninja.
Not sure this is an essential part of your argument, though; so correct me if I misinterpreted it.
If your argument is simply that Naruto isnt a normal ninja, I dont exactly see anyone disagreeing with that, and I dont disagree with that either. Sure hes grown not just because of the hard work, but because he had potential to do so (hes special). However that doesnt mean that, without the Kyubi, he wouldnt have the potential to be more than a normal ninja. Thats not true, and theres evidence in the manga that indicates otherwise, such as the example mentioned above.

Karma
March 26, 2007, 07:34 PM
Sorry, ANBU4U, I didnt exactly understand your point. You're saying Naruto would be a normal ninja, if it wasnt for the Kyubi? Thats the way I'm interpreting your position on the matter. The Kyubi gives him some sort of edge.
But actually I agree with what most of the other guys have said. I think the training Naruto has followed has somehow made him more independent in terms of his relationship with the Kyubi's power and chakra.
For example, he didnt seem to use any Kyubi chakra to defeat Kakuzu (at least that wasnt manifested). A ninja who is able to defeat Kakuzu isnt exactly a normal ninja.
Not sure this is an essential part of your argument, though; so correct me if I misinterpreted it.
If your argument is simply that Naruto isnt a normal ninja, I dont exactly see anyone disagreeing with that, and I dont disagree with that either. Sure hes grown not just because of the hard work, but because he had potential to do so (hes special). However that doesnt mean that, without the Kyubi, he wouldnt have the potential to be more than a normal ninja. Thats not true, and theres evidence in the manga that indicates otherwise, such as the example mentioned above.agreed. From the beginning of the story naruto was made special. So anyone that think without the Kyuubi Naruto would be some ordinary Ninja they are wrong. Because the 4th Hokage was just like Naruto and the same for Jiraya..


Well, Every Ninja got there edge. But i think Naruto edge is the Chakra he has inside of him. (Not the Kyuubi) and his stamina. I don't think the Kyuubie give naruto any extra stamina. I think Naruto was born with that abilities.. The Kyuubi is only to be prison until Naruto is able to control it. And that’s what he's going to do. No one never controls there beast before.. I think Naruto either he going to kill the Kyuubi before the manga end or he going to be one with the beast inside of him. meaning the Kyuubi going to be release and Naruto going to have away how to control the kyuubi mode and with out damaging is self in the process.

GPZrag
March 26, 2007, 08:01 PM
OMG! this Manga is called "NARUTO" for something, the kyubi thing is just (as everybody stated above me) an edge that's all, Naruto him self is very special and that's why he was chosen to be the container for such terrible creature (not an uchiha -> cheap clan)... well that's at least my opinion :)

ddadain
March 26, 2007, 08:23 PM
Take it this way,

Kyuubi gives Naruto an almost inexhaustible amount of chakra and it would all just depend on if Naruto's body can handle the strain.

Another point is that whenever Naruto uses his new jutsu, his eyes would turn the red-pupiled with the cat slit iris. This can show that it is an already AUTOMATIC response of Naruto's body to tap into the Kyuubi's chakra pool and mix it with his own. Although, when using a normal rasengan, he doesn't go red-eyed on us, we can deduce that most of the chakra used for rasengan (Kage Bunshin + Infusion of swirling chakra) is MOSTLY Narutos thus no red-eyes but when using the Rasen Shuriken, he goes red eyes, meaning most of the chakra came from the Kyuubi thus partial Kyuubification or cat-red-eyes.

It is without a doubt that him being a Jinchuuruki (right spelling?) gives an almost insurmountable advantage, like how having a bloodline limit does for a person, say the Uchihas.

It is obvious that without the Kyuubi's chakra or protection for that matter, Naruto would have been LONG gone by now and would NOT be the main character of this series.

Citing the 4th decision to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto cannot, under any terms, be taken as evidence that he was special. More likely, he was the most convenient choice as he was young and has a long life ahead of him thus the seal would not be broken too soon. The 4th jutsu required that he sacrifice his life (supposedly, this is under very scrutinous debate) thus him sealing the Kyuubi in his body wasn't an option.

Nevertheless, we also can't say that Naruto is your average ninja. His dedication and spirit will undoubtedly been to his advantage, but his immaturity and folly is undoing. If he wasn't so, then yes, he has the makings of a great ninja. But since we all know he's not, well, the point was already made: He is not special.



Hehehe,

Eloquence has its uses, especially when making an argument. Any rebutals?

As for my predictions:

- Ino x Sakura HMM HMM HMM XD
- Orochimaru still alive inside Sasuke just like Kyuubi in Naruto
- Sasuke will go meet Naruto
- Other 2 liquid people will be genetically modified people of:
---> The bone guy (forgot name)
---> The dead sensei (forgot name)

Karma
March 26, 2007, 08:44 PM
Take it this way,

Kyuubi gives Naruto an almost inexhaustible amount of chakra and it would all just depend on if Naruto's body can handle the strain.

Another point is that whenever Naruto uses his new jutsu, his eyes would turn the red-pupiled with the cat slit iris. This can show that it is an already AUTOMATIC response of Naruto's body to tap into the Kyuubi's chakra pool and mix it with his own. Although, when using a normal rasengan, he doesn't go red-eyed on us, we can deduce that most of the chakra used for rasengan (Kage Bunshin + Infusion of swirling chakra) is MOSTLY Narutos thus no red-eyes but when using the Rasen Shuriken, he goes red eyes, meaning most of the chakra came from the Kyuubi thus partial Kyuubification or cat-red-eyes.

It is without a doubt that him being a Jinchuuruki (right spelling?) gives an almost insurmountable advantage, like how having a bloodline limit does for a person, say the Uchihas.

It is obvious that without the Kyuubi's chakra or protection for that matter, Naruto would have been LONG gone by now and would NOT be the main character of this series.

Citing the 4th decision to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto cannot, under any terms, be taken as evidence that he was special. More likely, he was the most convenient choice as he was young and has a long life ahead of him thus the seal would not be broken too soon. The 4th jutsu required that he sacrifice his life (supposedly, this is under very scrutinous debate) thus him sealing the Kyuubi in his body wasn't an option.

Nevertheless, we also can't say that Naruto is your average ninja. His dedication and spirit will undoubtedly been to his advantage, but his immaturity and folly is undoing. If he wasn't so, then yes, he has the makings of a great ninja. But since we all know he's not, well, the point was already made: He is not special.



Hehehe,

Eloquence has its uses, especially when making an argument. Any rebutals?

As for my predictions:

- Ino x Sakura HMM HMM HMM XD
- Orochimaru still alive inside Sasuke just like Kyuubi in Naruto
- Sasuke will go meet Naruto
- Other 2 liquid people will be genetically modified people of:
---> The bone guy (forgot name)
---> The dead sensei (forgot name)
If you not reading the same manga i'll agree above,if not..you just a Hater of the main character. Because Naruto is special and been show over and over that he got talent. even Kakashi admit to it.. naruto is special then you think. because to be a container of the 9 tail you have to be special. plus even Yamoto mention for naruto to be covered with Nine tail chakra which is a form of pison and still move after all that action.. he's special.

badluckartist
March 26, 2007, 09:24 PM
kakashi and yamato have said that naruto is special because of his incredibly inspiring personality, high chakra capacity and absurd stamina. thus, under normal circumstances, naruto is NOT a "special" ninja, by the definition of genius. he is special in the facts that ive previously stated, NOT because of the kyubii. it has already been stated that naruto is not relying on the kyubii's chakra; the kyubii himself has even questioned as to why he's being rejected. naruto's eye color and shape change cannot be assumed to be caused by the kyubii's chakra necessarily; the PHYSICAL changes that are associated with naruto using an abnormally high amount of chakra are brought about by the fact that his chakra has begun fusing with the kyubii's {{kakashi himself said this near the beginning of the series around the haku fight}}.

it can be safely assumed that post time-skip, naruto using the demon's chakra {{and not just his own reserve that is irreversably fused with kyubii's}} is only arguable when the chakra itself takes the bubbly shape of kyubii's, and ONLY then.

to make it short, naruto's chakra has spent so much time merging with kyubii's, that the physical characteristics are becoming dominant- that has nothing to do with having an advantage {except looking cool :P}. gaara can be used as a good example of this- his eyes didnt go back to looking half-normal, because of the long term insomnia that shukaku caused while inhabiting his body. during the fight with deidara, he didnt use shukaku's chakra, just like naruto is beginning to take on kyubii's physical appearence more and more as he accesses his own demon-fused chakra {not to say he'll soon always appear with slitted eyes, but that it'll happen when he gets serious and has to use his reserves, that fused chakra, but not the demon's chakra itself}.

all in all, naruto is the epidemy of hard work. most of you who say otherwise are looking into the details way too much. kishimoto wants naruto to personify hard work, otherwise he wouldnt A) make the super-genius sasuke his #1 rival, and B) go through the trouble of making him restrain the kyubii's chakra with the whole yamoto character and the conversation they had about the dangers of it.

bottom line___ he isnt using kyubii's chakra any more. if he does, the kyubii might as well break loose, just to keep the story entertaining for going back on it's own word.

...

oh, right, the topic of this thread. karin {the girl sasuke is finding} is going to be rin and tobi is obito. millions of fans everywhere will be very sad if that is incorrect. and i believe somebody said earlier that sasuke is recruiting people his age? what? when/who said that? how old is suigetsu? especially if he's the older brother of sai? karin should be as old as kakashi, which isnt that much older than sasuke himself.

like i said earlier, kakashi, karin, and tobi will all meet up on the same battlefield, and it will be awkward, and interesting, and awesome, and run-on sentence of coolness :P :P

theshizzle
March 26, 2007, 09:31 PM
^^^ yes naruto is special and I think Naruto will not kill another Akatsuki until he fights the AL. It is about time the story is taking a new turn with the death of Oro and introduction of new characters, I am very anticipating the upcoming chapters. The fact that Kishimoto has been concentrating on Sauske the past few chapter is quite interesting as it may fortell a downfall of the Uchiha. The Uchiha Clan will never revive. (Come on do you really expect Sakura and Sauske getting married and having kids with sharigans at the end?) Sauske will die and Oro's death forshadowed it. I do not think no matter how many or how strong Team Sauske is, it will be no match for Itachi. Just because Sauske has become tremendously more powerful, whats to say that Itachi just staggnated. I mean Itachi is younger than Kakashi even and he may just be reaching is full potential. I strongly feel that Itachi will put an end to Sauske-kun.

ANBU4U
March 26, 2007, 09:59 PM
Sorry, ANBU4U, I didnt exactly understand your point. You're saying Naruto would be a normal ninja, if it wasnt for the Kyubi? Thats the way I'm interpreting your position on the matter. The Kyubi gives him some sort of edge.
But actually I agree with what most of the other guys have said. I think the training Naruto has followed has somehow made him more independent in terms of his relationship with the Kyubi's power and chakra.
For example, he didnt seem to use any Kyubi chakra to defeat Kakuzu (at least that wasnt manifested). A ninja who is able to defeat Kakuzu isnt exactly a normal ninja.
Not sure this is an essential part of your argument, though; so correct me if I misinterpreted it.
If your argument is simply that Naruto isnt a normal ninja, I dont exactly see anyone disagreeing with that, and I dont disagree with that either. Sure hes grown not just because of the hard work, but because he had potential to do so (hes special). However that doesnt mean that, without the Kyubi, he wouldnt have the potential to be more than a normal ninja. Thats not true, and theres evidence in the manga that indicates otherwise, such as the example mentioned above.

...I agree. Without the kyuubi I'm sure naruto could become an exceptional ninja. I dont think ive implied otherwise, and If I did somehow, I didnt mean to.

My point is, that any base ninja, through varying degrees of hard work can become exceptional. But to be extrordinary takes more, which Naruto has in the fox.

My beef is with the concept that Naruto was some "dark horse" waiting in the wings to overachieve, when along the course of the manga we've been finding out he's practically a "purebred" (excuse the horse racing terminology) with just as many ...if not more... advantages than any advanced family.

The idea that Naruto's gotten where he is now PURELY on his hard work is obcene for 2 reasons. ONE it cheapens the hard work of those around him and TWO it disgregards incredible (if latent) advantages that he's had from the start.

Compare him to any Uchiha....Sure they may not begin life with the sharigans advantages, but it's still there isnt it? Waiting to develope. Narutos special abilities were no different really.

If kishi wanted to make to blue collar idot hero ::and who knows, maybe he didnt:: he's strayed from that goal, because Naruto just isnt that guy. He's just like Obito.....a hard working hopless idot maybe.....but with a trump card just waiting out of sight that will automatically push him ahead come crunch time.

All of my arguments this far have been attempting to support my belief, that naruto has, and utilizes the advantages available to him and only him.
The oposition so far isnt quite defined....but it's somewhere between "he doesnt use the fox's chakra anymore." and "If he does use it, it doesnt help much at all, and isnt a real asset." Either of which (and everything in between) I believe to be absurd.

P.S.- And yes, I know everyone has their special abilities, but for the most part they can be learned if the opportunity presents. naruto and the others tho, they have something the rest cant hope to achieve, or for the most part, counter.

Hope that clairifies.

ninetailfox84
March 26, 2007, 10:04 PM
:offtopic

The newest spoiler is hilarious! lol! and OMG! and can also be called WTF!

on topic

sasuke recruit karin and then juugo and then they will form the emo team. Well, that suit good in the story. lol

4ghost
March 27, 2007, 12:08 AM
How is that relevant?

All it suggest is a reason why he can withstand thwe fox's chakra, it in no way implys that he's not using its chakra.

If anything it helps my point.

It is relevant because as of yet that reason why is unknown. If that reason he is able to withstand the Kyuubi chakra was because he is a descendant of a previous Kyuubi junchuuriki as some suggest, (I don't believe it), then the reason he can withstand that chakra as well as those eyes could come from that.

Or if Kishimoto decides to draw from another japanese folklore he could make Naruto the child of Kuzunoha or something similar that too would explain the eyes and his "true strength."

I don't know if you are aware of Yasha's Dark History of the Uchiha theory on Narutofan, but the suggested mysterious ancestory of the Uchiha may not only be restricted to Naruto's rival character.


Now I was supposed to predict so.....
Since it seems that Sasuke and Suigetsu have gone all the way to the Wave country and are to travel far North and South I think that this passage of time will be applied to Konoha. The chapter will imply that Naruto has returned to his training has nearly fully recovered from his injury.

If that turns out to be false Naruto will be forced to take up the type of training that he dreads, books and learning with his mind.

sangai
March 27, 2007, 12:25 AM
for some reason, i think sasuke has a thing for this girl....

and i think when she says "this chakra" i think even though it's still sasuke he emits alot of orochimaru's chakra.

Karma
March 27, 2007, 12:35 AM
It is relevant because as of yet that reason why is unknown. If that reason he is able to withstand the Kyuubi chakra was because he is a descendant of a previous Kyuubi junchuuriki as some suggest, (I don't believe it), then the reason he can withstand that chakra as well as those eyes could come from that.

Or if Kishimoto decides to draw from another japanese folklore he could make Naruto the child of Kuzunoha or something similar that too would explain the eyes and his "true strength."

I don't know if you are aware of Yasha's Dark History of the Uchiha theory on Narutofan, but the suggested mysterious ancestory of the Uchiha may not only be restricted to Naruto's rival character.


Now I was supposed to predict so.....
Since it seems that Sasuke and Suigetsu have gone all the way to the Wave country and are to travel far North and South I think that this passage of time will be applied to Konoha. The chapter will imply that Naruto has returned to his training has nearly fully recovered from his injury.

If that turns out to be false Naruto will be forced to take up the type of training that he dreads, books and learning with his mind.It would be a little of Naruto returning to his training.. and they will show a little of the AK group with them telling the AL that 2 member of there group has been defeated by the leave village. And he going to tell Itachi it's time to go get Naruto he's the key or he has the key.

ddadain
March 27, 2007, 05:54 AM
kakashi and yamato have said that naruto is special because of his incredibly inspiring personality, high chakra capacity and absurd stamina. thus, under normal circumstances, naruto is NOT a "special" ninja, by the definition of genius. he is special in the facts that ive previously stated, NOT because of the kyubii. it has already been stated that naruto is not relying on the kyubii's chakra; the kyubii himself has even questioned as to why he's being rejected. naruto's eye color and shape change cannot be assumed to be caused by the kyubii's chakra necessarily; the PHYSICAL changes that are associated with naruto using an abnormally high amount of chakra are brought about by the fact that his chakra has begun fusing with the kyubii's {{kakashi himself said this near the beginning of the series around the haku fight}}.

it can be safely assumed that post time-skip, naruto using the demon's chakra {{and not just his own reserve that is irreversably fused with kyubii's}} is only arguable when the chakra itself takes the bubbly shape of kyubii's, and ONLY then.

to make it short, naruto's chakra has spent so much time merging with kyubii's, that the physical characteristics are becoming dominant- that has nothing to do with having an advantage {except looking cool :P}. gaara can be used as a good example of this- his eyes didnt go back to looking half-normal, because of the long term insomnia that shukaku caused while inhabiting his body. during the fight with deidara, he didnt use shukaku's chakra, just like naruto is beginning to take on kyubii's physical appearence more and more as he accesses his own demon-fused chakra {not to say he'll soon always appear with slitted eyes, but that it'll happen when he gets serious and has to use his reserves, that fused chakra, but not the demon's chakra itself}.

all in all, naruto is the epidemy of hard work. most of you who say otherwise are looking into the details way too much. kishimoto wants naruto to personify hard work, otherwise he wouldnt A) make the super-genius sasuke his #1 rival, and B) go through the trouble of making him restrain the kyubii's chakra with the whole yamoto character and the conversation they had about the dangers of it.

bottom line___ he isnt using kyubii's chakra any more. if he does, the kyubii might as well break loose, just to keep the story entertaining for going back on it's own word.

...

oh, right, the topic of this thread. karin {the girl sasuke is finding} is going to be rin and tobi is obito. millions of fans everywhere will be very sad if that is incorrect. and i believe somebody said earlier that sasuke is recruiting people his age? what? when/who said that? how old is suigetsu? especially if he's the older brother of sai? karin should be as old as kakashi, which isnt that much older than sasuke himself.

like i said earlier, kakashi, karin, and tobi will all meet up on the same battlefield, and it will be awkward, and interesting, and awesome, and run-on sentence of coolness :P :P

Cough,

Points given are ill-used.

It is irrelevant what my feelings for the protagonist are.

Some ill-used points:

1.) Sasuke ALSO works hard. Everyone WORKS HARD!
--> Under the circumstance, even though he has "the ultimate Bloodline Limit", he is still inferior to Naruto in terms of sheer destructive power because he doesn't have so much chakra as Naruto. I dare say that Sasuke works HARDER than Naruto to get to the same extent of improvement. Everyone who wants to be a note-worthy ninja works harder than Naruto. They can't just have 200 Kage Bunshin conjured up and take shortcuts.

Another fact is that Naruto has a MUCH HIGHER REGENERATION RATE than ANY CHARACTER. Thus, the argument of him having "more stamina" is made irrelevant simply because it is INHERENTLY APPARENT that the Kyuubi's powers are manifesting themselves physically in a NATURAL WAY, to simplify better, SECOND-NATURE the the body of Naruto. Counter-argument defaulted.

If we're talking about bias here, you obviously are bias to people called "geniuses". Noting that you ASSUME that geniuses don't need to work AS HARD as normal people. A famous old scientist has something to say about that:

"Genius is 99&#37; perspiration and 1% inspiration"

I don't know whether or not people may feel inferior to people more endowed than them. Can't blame anyone from feeling so. A famous anime has something to say about who people are:

"You are kind because you are you, not because you are a Coordinator"

2.) Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakras

Let's investigate their relationship:

~ Kyuubi sealed in Naruto [manga/anime fact]
~ Naruto NATURALLY infuses his own and the Kyuubi's chakra [manga/anime fact]
~ Naruto's chakra is blue [Anime fact]
~ Kyuubi's chakra is red [Anime fact]
~ Naruto was saved a lot of times by the Kyuubi's chakra powers
~ Post-time-skip Naruto never runs out of chakra, rather, just runs out of stamina [Deduction]
~ Kyuubi's chakra is infinitely more than Naruto's [Deduction]
~ Whenever Naruto uses a large amount of chakra, he goes red-eyes or if an excessive amount is used, he goes 4-tailed. [Fact]

Okay, just some facts for you to ingest.

Now for deduction.

If Naruto didn't have the Kyuubi, he'd be...

~ An orphan that wasn't hated/feared by everyone
~ Most likely have been adopted by a family
~ Behavior could be different. Not a doofus
~ Would not have been able to connect with Jinchuuruki Gaara
~ Would not have been able to connect with Sasuke
~ Would not have been made a pupil of Jiraiya
~ Would not have been given the chance to make a contract with the Frog
~ Would not have been able to use Rasengan actively
~ Would not have been able to summon up a lot of Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have been able to defeat Haku
~ Would not have been able to defend against Orochimaru
~ Would not have been able to defeat Deidara
~ Would not have been able to train with Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have learnt Rasen Shuriken
~ Would not have been able to keep pace or be a little bit behind from Sasuke
~ Would be a normal ninja (a.k.a Ino #2)
~ Would be [b]Dead

=> NOT SPECIAL

To say that the infusion of the Kyuubi's and Naruto's chakra as being negligible is... Furthermore, to ignore the fact that his body is naturally tapping into the chakra of the Kyuubi *thus rapid regeneration* and stating "the bottom line" is...

Get the facts straight.

Naruto will ALWAYS use the Kyuubi's chakra, whether he wants to or not.
It is safe to say that MOST of his CHAKRA comes from the Kyuubi. Evidence being he has UNNATURALLY high chakra amount for a person who's had less than 18 years of life experience. Even Sasuke, who had a MORE TRAUMATIZING childhood had his chakra limits known to himself. Naruto did not. If you had a 2 rivers, one has a massive and deep current and the other is small and shallow, if we make even a small passageway between the two. Obviously the much bigger current will flow A LOT, even a larger amount, to the water course way of the small river. in this case, they are inexplicably linked and since Naruto's body naturally taps into the Kyuubi's chakra, this is the small channel needed.


Now...? Other comments?

AH!

Predictions!

I don't think Obito/Karin would have become "ebil"!

Sasuke will need to get MS and will try to kill Naruto or he will try to ascertain Naruto's assitance, then kill him.

Ino x Sakura :D
Better yet,
Hinata x 5th Hokage :D

I predict more fan service!

More... more... MORe! MORE! MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

bennibb
March 27, 2007, 06:29 AM
I think Naruto i spesial. He learned Kage bunshin in a few hours. Rasengan in a mounth. He manages to stretch Rasengan to a higher lvl... That Kakashi and 4. couldnt. He can withstand Kyuubis power... Narutos childhood made him that goofus he is now. Sasuke Ino and so on had parents to train them outside the school. Naruto had noone. So I claim that Naruto is missing a foundation that most kids get in and outside the academy. But that hes a genious... That he IS... Who the hell knows Ransengan??? Kakashi Jira and Yound... BIG geniuos... + Naruto. And Naruto didnt use Kyuubi when he learned Rasengan. And hes Summoned Gamabunta without help.

His childhood has shaped him yes. But to say he would be dead if he didnt have Kyuubi... That is like me saying I would have been the best Football player in the world if I didnt quit playing at younger age (I was realy good then ;) )
Maybe Naruto would have been more like Youndaime (huge genius) at younger age if he had some normal childhood? I think we see more proof of that latly then that he would be dead.

ornis
March 27, 2007, 06:44 AM
its true sasuke got the infection unwillingly, but kakashi "sealed the seal" and made sasuke's will the key to open (or keep locked) the cursed seal. however sasuke Did take the power willingly, that was his choice. if he hadnt accept the power the seal wouldn't be a problem anymore and he wouldn't become a 'monster'

I still disagree. Sasuke was influenced the most by Itachi. Sasuke wants to avenge his clan, so he claims, but honestly, he is just challenging Itachi, and we can varyingly interpret by what means he has done and will do such. Clearly, Sasuke faces Oro and receives a seal. Kakashi seemingly "seals the seal" afterwards, but imo he doesn't give a key or lock to anything. Kakashi just helps the audience view and interpret Sasuke's will as it yields to the seal's advantage....and yielding to power appears to be a strong trait that Sasuke possesses. What about the Will of Fire? If anything I could argue this fact into the ground: Sasuke ultimately chose not to embrace the Will of Fire responsibly and let his clan's death rest. His MO has always involved that "certain man." Why be wrapped around Itachi's whim? Sasuke has a choice there, supposedly, but genjutsu could be powerful enough to poison Sasuke's discretion irreparably... that victims's "will" may not matter. If the idea seems subjective, read chapter 344 and observe how Sasuke might contrast his brother with himself---he does not to me. Imo, he learned how easliy his brothers enemies can resemble his brother, perhaps he does not want such a mirror to survive, perhaps. Even though he ironically "consumes" a mirror of his brother while being influenced by the Uchiha massacre which cannot completely justify his actions---the impact is too psychological. Genjutsu targets the psyche of the user, and can lead to perceived sensations that may have never happened and implications that may hold no truth at all.

theshizzle
March 27, 2007, 07:29 AM
Can Gaara still control sand if the shukaku is removed? It would be an interesting twist if Akatsuki actually extracts all Tailed Beasts, Kyuubi included. Then we Would See For sure how much really Naruto relies on that cursed chakra. I mean the Fourth, to our knowledge, didn't have a a monster inside him and he was the Yellow Bad Ass Flash. SO when Naruto Surpasses Yondaime it'll be because of his own potential not the kyuubi. This kind of parallels Bleach where Ichigo 1st had Rukia's Shinigami power but he is stronger now because of his own.

Mendes
March 27, 2007, 08:12 AM
I still disagree. Sasuke was influenced the most by Itachi. Sasuke wants to avenge his clan, so he claims, but honestly, he is just challenging Itachi, and we can varyingly interpret by what means he has done and will do such. Clearly, Sasuke faces Oro and receives a seal. Kakashi seemingly "seals the seal" afterwards, but imo he doesn't give a key or lock to anything. Kakashi just helps the audience view and interpret Sasuke's will as it yields to the seal's advantage....and yielding to power appears to be a strong trait that Sasuke possesses. What about the Will of Fire? If anything I could argue this fact into the ground: Sasuke ultimately chose not to embrace the Will of Fire responsibly and let his clan's death rest. His MO has always involved that "certain man." Why be wrapped around Itachi's whim? Sasuke has a choice there supposedly but genjutsu could be powerful enough to poison Sasuke's discretion irreparably... that victims's will may not matter. If the idea seems subjective read chapter 344 and observe how Sasuke might contrast his brother with himself---he does not to me. Imo, he learned how easliy his brothers enemies can resemble his brother, perhaps he does not want such a mirror to survive, perhaps. Even though he ironically "consumes" a mirror of his brother while being influenced by the Uchiha massacre which cannot completely justify his actions---the impact is too psychological. Genjutsu targets the psyche of the user, aznd can lead to perceived sensations that may have never happened and implications that may hold no truth at all.

dude i'm not blaming sasuke for his choice... but he Did had the choice... thats all i mean.
Itachi's influence was too strong over him... thats understandable, but he still could choose the way to acquire his power. naruto and gaara couldnt.

ornis
March 27, 2007, 08:49 AM
Neither Naruto nor Sasuke decided how power could be handed to them---after the fact they decided how to use the power---but the power was already forced upon them. Never did they have the choice to inject their beasts, their powers, in their bodies; they only had the choice to use them after they were given to them.

enlightened monkey
March 27, 2007, 09:56 AM
Cough,

Points given are ill-used.

It is irrelevant what my feelings for the protagonist are.

Some ill-used points:

1.) Sasuke ALSO works hard. Everyone WORKS HARD!
--> Under the circumstance, even though he has "the ultimate Bloodline Limit", he is still inferior to Naruto in terms of sheer destructive power because he doesn't have so much chakra as Naruto. I dare say that Sasuke works HARDER than Naruto to get to the same extent of improvement. Everyone who wants to be a note-worthy ninja works harder than Naruto. They can't just have 200 Kage Bunshin conjured up and take shortcuts.

Another fact is that Naruto has a MUCH HIGHER REGENERATION RATE than ANY CHARACTER. Thus, the argument of him having "more stamina" is made irrelevant simply because it is INHERENTLY APPARENT that the Kyuubi's powers are manifesting themselves physically in a NATURAL WAY, to simplify better, SECOND-NATURE the the body of Naruto. Counter-argument defaulted.

If we're talking about bias here, you obviously are bias to people called "geniuses". Noting that you ASSUME that geniuses don't need to work AS HARD as normal people. A famous old scientist has something to say about that:

"Genius is 99&#37; perspiration and 1% inspiration"

I don't know whether or not people may feel inferior to people more endowed than them. Can't blame anyone from feeling so. A famous anime has something to say about who people are:

"You are kind because you are you, not because you are a Coordinator"

2.) Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakras

Let's investigate their relationship:

~ Kyuubi sealed in Naruto [manga/anime fact]
~ Naruto NATURALLY infuses his own and the Kyuubi's chakra [manga/anime fact]
~ Naruto's chakra is blue [Anime fact]
~ Kyuubi's chakra is red [Anime fact]
~ Naruto was saved a lot of times by the Kyuubi's chakra powers [BIG FAT FACT]
~ Post-time-skip Naruto never runs out of chakra, rather, just runs out of stamina [Deduction]
~ Kyuubi's chakra is infinitely more than Naruto's [Deduction]
~ Whenever Naruto uses a large amount of chakra, he goes red-eyes or if an excessive amount is used, he goes 4-tailed. [Fact]

Okay, just some facts for you to ingest.

Now for deduction.

If Naruto didn't have the Kyuubi, he'd be...

~ An orphan that wasn't hated/feared by everyone
~ Most likely have been adopted by a family
~ Behavior could be different. Not a doofus
~ Would not have been able to connect with Jinchuuruki Gaara
~ Would not have been able to connect with Sasuke
~ Would not have been made a pupil of Jiraiya
~ Would not have been given the chance to make a contract with the Frog
~ Would not have been able to use Rasengan actively
~ Would not have been able to summon up a lot of Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have been able to defeat Haku
~ Would not have been able to defend against Orochimaru
~ Would not have been able to defeat Deidara
~ Would not have been able to train with Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have learnt Rasen Shuriken
~ Would not have been able to keep pace or be a little bit behind from Sasuke
~ Would be a normal ninja (a.k.a Ino #2)
~ Would be Dead

=> NOT SPECIAL

To say that the infusion of the Kyuubi's and Naruto's chakra as being negligible is... Furthermore, to ignore the fact that his body is naturally tapping into the chakra of the Kyuubi *thus rapid regeneration* and stating "the bottom line" is...

Get the facts straight.

Naruto will ALWAYS use the Kyuubi's chakra, whether he wants to or not.
It is safe to say that MOST of his CHAKRA comes from the Kyuubi. Evidence being he has UNNATURALLY high chakra amount for a person who's had less than 18 years of life experience. Even Sasuke, who had a MORE TRAUMATIZING childhood had his chakra limits known to himself. Naruto did not. If you had a 2 rivers, one has a massive and deep current and the other is small and shallow, if we make even a small passageway between the two. Obviously the much bigger current will flow A LOT, even a larger amount, to the water course way of the small river. in this case, they are inexplicably linked and since Naruto's body naturally taps into the Kyuubi's chakra, this is the small channel needed.


Now...? Other comments?

AH!

Predictions!

I don't think Obito/Karin would have become "ebil"!

Sasuke will need to get MS and will try to kill Naruto or he will try to ascertain Naruto's assitance, then kill him.

Ino x Sakura
Better yet,
Hinata x 5th Hokage

I predict more fan service!

More... more... MORe! MORE! MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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Interesting argument, ddadain....however.....

"1.) Sasuke ALSO works hard. Everyone WORKS HARD!
--> Under the circumstance, even though he has "the ultimate Bloodline Limit", he is still inferior to Naruto in terms of sheer destructive power because he doesn't have so much chakra as Naruto. I dare say that Sasuke works HARDER than Naruto to get to the same extent of improvement. Everyone who wants to be a note-worthy ninja works harder than Naruto. They can't just have 200 Kage Bunshin conjured up and take shortcuts."

You've missed the point of the manga entirely -- the point that Naruto, someone with no talent and no progeny inside, has trained himself HARDER THAN OTHERS to get where he is now -- and he's not even close to being the best ninja now, good though he is. Sasuke works hard, as do any ninja (most notably the Rookie 9), but a lot of their skill (most notably Sasuke and Neji) come from an inherit skill given to them by "genius". A "genius" is someone who learns quickly, grasps what needs to be done in order for a technique to be used/learned/etc.....in a short amount of time. Given Naruto's original disadvantage of unstable chakra ADDED ON to his own simple lack of skill as a ninja compared to Sasuke's inherit skill, and we can see who's put in more raw work than the other (keeping in mind that Naruto's behind his class by quite a bit in terms of actual practical ninja battle practice....everyone else had families to teach them....Naruto was putting graffiti on the Hokage's faces....).

"Another fact is that Naruto has a MUCH HIGHER REGENERATION RATE than ANY CHARACTER. Thus, the argument of him having "more stamina" is made irrelevant simply because it is INHERENTLY APPARENT that the Kyuubi's powers are manifesting themselves physically in a NATURAL WAY, to simplify better, SECOND-NATURE the the body of Naruto. Counter-argument defaulted.

If we're talking about bias here, you obviously are bias to people called "geniuses". Noting that you ASSUME that geniuses don't need to work AS HARD as normal people. A famous old scientist has something to say about that:

"Genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration""

The point of being a genius is just that -- that they don't need to put in the same amount of work into learning something than a normal ninja would (we're talking Kishimoto's world here, remember -- not some scientist who's never heard of the manga -- a manga who's main point is directed at the protagonist's hard-work ethics overcoming the disadvantage of other's greater potential). Normal ninja would have taken a while to learn, for example, the Fireball technique. Sasuke decided he'd work hard for it, not only learned fire manipulation in that time but the technique as well in what.....a week? Sure, he worked hard, but other, more ordinary hard-working ninja would have taken longer. And Sasuke was a kid. THAT'S the type of "genius" we're talking about when we compare hard workers like Naruto who go day after day until they drop to their knees.....and don't quite get it (let's talk rasengan), so they get up, try again with chakra they may or may not have. Sasuke worked hard as hell, for sure, but his rate of learning is much faster than an ordinary ninja's and we've yet to see him train to utter exhaustion in the manga -- like we've seen with Naruto. And it's the manga, as the writer intends for us to see as readers, that counts.


"Now for deduction.

If Naruto didn't have the Kyuubi, he'd be...

~ An orphan that wasn't hated/feared by everyone
~ Most likely have been adopted by a family
~ Behavior could be different. Not a doofus
~ Would not have been able to connect with Jinchuuruki Gaara
~ Would not have been able to connect with Sasuke
~ Would not have been made a pupil of Jiraiya
~ Would not have been given the chance to make a contract with the Frog
~ Would not have been able to use Rasengan actively
~ Would not have been able to summon up a lot of Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have been able to defeat Haku
~ Would not have been able to defend against Orochimaru
~ Would not have been able to defeat Deidara
~ Would not have been able to train with Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have learnt Rasen Shuriken
~ Would not have been able to keep pace or be a little bit behind from Sasuke
~ Would be a normal ninja (a.k.a Ino #2)
~ Would be Dead

=> NOT SPECIAL"

Actually, and you're correct on quite a few of those points -- if Naruto didn't have the kyuubi, this entire story would never have existed. Not one single little part of it would have happened. He'd have been a completely different person, a better overall ninja from the start with perhaps a family to teach him, who knows if he would have been put in a team with Sakura or Sasuke, who knows if he would have experienced the missions and dangers he'd have experienced? So truly, an argument on Naruto having or not having the kyuubi is rather moot. What if Sasuke didn't have the sharingan? There's a LOT of deductions I could make on them -- one being that he'd be quite the average shinobi, no Orochimaru, no chidori, no Lee speed, dead against Haku, dead vs. Gaara....gosh. So that type of extrapolation just doesn't work. Naruto has the kyuubi, and the story's based off that fact whether we choose to use it as an argument or not.

Now, as for your other points on the kyuubi's chakra infusing with Naruto's -- yes, I agree with this -- starting from Naruto's early problems of chakra manipulation to Oro's sealing of his chakra turning his manipulation horrible....before Jiraiya reconnected the link between the two. With that said, what I'm wondering is if the kyuubi's taken out of him, will some of it's ever-regenerating chakra remain within him? His chakra levels on their own are twice Kakashi's, so it's not bad in the least....(especially for a 15 year old)....still, it'll be interesting to see where Naruto's whole chakra/kyuubi situation takes him from here.

Now, as for what's happening next chapter...I'm guessing Sasuke meets this woman and we get to see who SHE is....pehaps some more interesting Naruto moments....I don't think there'll be much insanity next chapter, personally. Who knows.

Mendes
March 27, 2007, 09:57 AM
@ornis
i agree that the power was handed to both regardless of their will. however sasuke had the choice to supress that power and he would move on like it was nothing. naruto and gaara couldnt. they both rely on the power coz they dont have choice. as the sand protects gaara regardless of his will, naruto's kyuubi heals him and suplies him with chakra in life or death situations.

ornis
March 27, 2007, 10:34 AM
I see your focus now---side effects considered there isn't anything Naruto can do about the wiskers or the healing factor... though I feel tempted to argue how Sasuke has never concealed the mark of the CS (the three tomoe) without a hand or a shirt blocking one's view, and the fact that when Sasuke's chakra's depleted he can't use anyting but the Curse Seal chakra---but I won't! Good stamina Mendes; great point taken.

Yondaime-Uzumaki
March 27, 2007, 10:50 AM
well i hope to see others caracters like Neji , Shino , hinata and Lee , I mean it's like they dont exist anymore . I'd like to see some lee action , to see how strong he's gotten . what is kishi doing ?
Not that i dont like sasuke but still , there's more interesting caracters . remenber how Lee POWNED sasuke in three movement ? him who's claimed to be Genuis ? I want some neji action 2

Anyway , i predict that naruto will want to continue his training and maybe develope some new wind jutsu . that'dbe cool . sasuke will continue gathering people.

Mendes
March 27, 2007, 10:51 AM
lol our point is pretty much even tough i still think sasuke's case is still diferent... when he's out of chakra the CS goes out, but as we've seen in the fight against gaara, it doesnt help much. on the contrary, it was thorning apart sasuke's body not allowing him to fight conveniently

ornis
March 27, 2007, 12:23 PM
lol our point is pretty much even tough i still think sasuke's case is still diferent... when he's out of chakra the CS goes out, but as we've seen in the fight against gaara, it doesnt help much. on the contrary, it was thorning apart sasuke's body not allowing him to fight conveniently

I remember the first time he had to depend on CS. Sasuke tore up Zaku's arms very well... but you're right. Afterwards, Sasuke wasn't forced to take the pill, the next defiling motion toward "insurrection." *heh, the red one or the blue one (Matrix on the mind)*

--unless it's destiny, which is completely pathetic to me, Sasuke accepted corruption; he had the choice to prevent his beast's complete emergence. Unfortunately, that slaps my theoritical point---but you truly press a good view, Mendes. Then again, I can see a genjutsu pushing Sasuke. Though a genjutsu would have to be really potent to force Sasuke into a corner. If Itachi has Sasuke hypnotized, what else could have Sasuke done but take that touchy dose of bestiality---OOPS bad double-entrendre. May the responses vent reasonably *perhaps that's too much to request.* Honestly, I am using the term as a reference to Sasuke's inhuman form. Please reflect on that maturely. And if the sexual potential is not evident in a very deep way, going to Orochimaru definitely did not produce a different being in Sasuke. Itachi's violation has however. Terrible. The darker themes are very unstable which furthers the tension they portray. They promote a sexual essence that way imo. Thought provoking, twisted, yet undeniably provocative, in various ways Kishi is a genius to weigh this on such subtle actions though behind very critical events. Was Sasuke forced or not? Itachi's action certainly played like mind-rape...

ANBU4U
March 27, 2007, 12:38 PM
I think Naruto i spesial. He learned Kage bunshin in a few hours. Rasengan in a mounth. He manages to stretch Rasengan to a higher lvl... That Kakashi and 4. couldnt. He can withstand Kyuubis power... Narutos childhood made him that goofus he is now. Sasuke Ino and so on had parents to train them outside the school. Naruto had noone. So I claim that Naruto is missing a foundation that most kids get in and outside the academy. But that hes a genious... That he IS... Who the hell knows Ransengan??? Kakashi Jira and Yound... BIG geniuos... + Naruto. And Naruto didnt use Kyuubi when he learned Rasengan. And hes Summoned Gamabunta without help.

His childhood has shaped him yes. But to say he would be dead if he didnt have Kyuubi... That is like me saying I would have been the best Football player in the world if I didnt quit playing at younger age (I was realy good then ;) )
Maybe Naruto would have been more like Youndaime (hug genius) at unger age if he had some normal childhood? I think we see more proof of that latly then that he would be dead.

No, he'd be dead. Sauske fatally wounded him at least once. Twice in the anime.
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Interesting argument, ddadain....however.....

You've missed the point of the manga entirely -- the point that Naruto, someone with no talent and no progeny inside, has trained himself HARDER THAN OTHERS to get where he is now -- and he's not even close to being the best ninja now, good though he is. Sasuke works hard, as do any ninja (most notably the Rookie 9), but a lot of their skill (most notably Sasuke and Neji) come from an inherit skill given to them by "genius". A "genius" is someone who learns quickly, grasps what needs to be done in order for a technique to be used/learned/etc.....in a short amount of time. Given Naruto's original disadvantage of unstable chakra ADDED ON to his own simple lack of skill as a ninja compared to Sasuke's inherit skill, and we can see who's put in more raw work than the other (keeping in mind that Naruto's behind his class by quite a bit in terms of actual practical ninja battle practice....everyone else had families to teach them....Naruto was putting graffiti on the Hokage's faces....).


The point of being a genius is just that -- that they don't need to put in the same amount of work into learning something than a normal ninja would (we're talking Kishimoto's world here, remember -- not some scientist who's never heard of the manga -- a manga who's main point is directed at the protagonist's hard-work ethics overcoming the disadvantage of other's greater potential). Normal ninja would have taken a while to learn, for example, the Fireball technique. Sasuke decided he'd work hard for it, not only learned fire manipulation in that time but the technique as well in what.....a week? Sure, he worked hard, but other, more ordinary hard-working ninja would have taken longer. And Sasuke was a kid. THAT'S the type of "genius" we're talking about when we compare hard workers like Naruto who go day after day until they drop to their knees.....and don't quite get it (let's talk rasengan), so they get up, try again with chakra they may or may not have. Sasuke worked hard as hell, for sure, but his rate of learning is much faster than an ordinary ninja's and we've yet to see him train to utter exhaustion in the manga -- like we've seen with Naruto. And it's the manga, as the writer intends for us to see as readers, that counts.


OMG thank you for coming along! U just stated my EXACT problem with Naruto. U see he's NOT "someone with no talent and no progeny inside, that has trained himself HARDER THAN OTHERS to get where he is now." Not by a long shot.

He's trained harder than most, but there are still those that put in just a much work. The reason Naruto is so much stronger is because he DOES have a progeny inside! He's may have had clumsy beginnings but the kids sheer latent potential is no worse than some uchiha kid that hasent developed his sharingan yet. Obito's a near perfect comparison. Would you call Obito a genius?

Everone thinks of Naruto as some sad poodle, that worked his way up to guard dog, when he was really a pittbull all along. Naruto is NOT a NORMAL ninja. He's as close to a genius has you can be without being one...certainly no ino, or iruka.

You also said "The point of being a genius is just that -- that they don't need to put in the same amount of work into learning something than a normal ninja would."

Once again thanks for the set up. Naruto DOES NOT put in the same amount of effort to learning something a normal ninja would, Id argue this was the case as early a the resengan, but thats splitting hairs. It's much easier to say....mass shadow clone training.

Logikl
March 27, 2007, 12:48 PM
~~*Off Topic*~~ Everyone, this is a PREDICTIONS thread for the next chapter... if you all wanna talk about this, go to another thread like the Naruto Hang Out Thread...

~~*On Topic*~~ Prediction - There will be more Sasuke getting his "team" together (definitely Karin and start heading toward Juugo) and this situation being made apparent to Akatsuki somehow (knowledge of Orochimaru's death), with a splash of Naruto recovering from his wounds or maybe training (to find a way to handle the FRS or create another jutsu)...

Karma
March 27, 2007, 12:58 PM
My prediction..

Manga will be late.
other form that.. Sasuke will get to the hide out of Karin late to find out that Karin either died by AK or he'll be there to fight against AK members.. Naruto will be ready to resume is training...

Mendes
March 27, 2007, 01:01 PM
I remember the first time he had to depend on CS. Sasuke tore up Zaku's arms very well... but you're right. Afterwards, Sasuke wasn't forced to take the pill, the next defiling motion toward "insurrection." *heh, the red one or the blue one (Matrix on the mind)*

--unless it's destiny, which is completely pathetic to me, Sasuke accepted corruption; he had the choice to prevent his beast's complete emergence. Unfortunately, that slaps my theoritical point---but you truly press a good view, Mendes. Then again, I can see a genjutsu pushing Sasuke. Though a genjutsu would have to be really potent to force Sasuke into corner. If Itachi has Sasuke hypnotized, what else could have Sasuke done but take that touchy dose of bestiality---OOPS bad double-entrendre. May the responses vent reasonably *perhaps that's too much to request.* Honestly, I am using the term as a reference to Sasuke's inhuman form. Please reflect on that maturely. And if the sexual potential is not evident in a very deep way, going to Orochimaru definitely did not produce a different being in Sasuke. Itachi's violation has however. Terrible. The darker themes are very unstable which furthers the tension they portray. They promote a sexual essence that way imo. Thought provoking, twisted, yet undeniably provocative, in various ways Kishi is a genius to weigh this on such subtle actions though behind very critical events. Was Sasuke forced or not? Itachi's action certainly played like mind-rape...

yes, there's no doubt that Itachi was the only thing that kept him from his friends and 'sell' his mind and body to the devil (oro) for revenge. however i dont think we can include the possibility of genjutsu to force sasuke to take that action. there was one genjutsu that was decisive for his choice, and that was itachi's tsukoyami. the torture that itachi made him through was too strong for a kid of his age (sasuke was 8 i think when he had his 1st direct contact with MS). that is more than enough to explain and to make us accept his departure to oro's place and his will to sacrifice himself for revenge. both naruto and gaara wished that the monster inside them never existed, but sasuke wished the opposite. he accepted to become a 'monster' for the sake of getting more powerful

Karma
March 27, 2007, 01:23 PM
yes, there's no doubt that Itachi was the only thing that kept him from his friends and 'sell' his mind and body to the devil (oro) for revenge. however i dont think we can include the possibility of genjutsu to force sasuke to take that action. there was one genjutsu that was decisive for his choice, and that was itachi's tsukoyami. the torture that itachi made him through was too strong for a kid of his age (sasuke was 8 i think when he had his 1st direct contact with MS). that is more than enough to explain and to make us accept his departure to oro's place and his will to sacrifice himself for revenge. both naruto and gaara wished that the monster inside them never existed, but sasuke wished the opposite. he accepted to become a 'monster' for the sake of getting more powerful Correct.. But we need to be predicting here.. Stay on toipic everyone..

ornis
March 27, 2007, 01:45 PM
yes, there's no doubt that Itachi was the only thing that kept him from his friends and 'sell' his mind and body to the devil (oro) for revenge. however i dont think we can include the possibility of genjutsu to force sasuke to take that action. there was one genjutsu that was decisive for his choice, and that was itachi's tsukoyami. the torture that itachi made him through was too strong for a kid of his age (sasuke was 8 i think when he had his 1st direct contact with MS). that is more than enough to explain and to make us accept his departure to oro's place and his will to sacrifice himself for revenge. both naruto and gaara wished that the monster inside them never existed, but sasuke wished the opposite. he accepted to become a 'monster' for the sake of getting more powerful

Understood, but think of the instance where Sasuke first tastes Itachi's wrath. Sasuke seemingly hungers for control as he reviews the lack of control he had over the situation, over its prevention. I believe it is this psychological pain that will never heal... without sacrifice. Frankly, another psychological experience has the capacity to do the same... but less on intimacy--overall, Sasuke will ironically use the best advantage he can gain over Itachi to make him beg: his own curse's potential. It could be angelic as he redefines what seems to be a physical manifestation of ill-well into a promise for his peace of mind; and the vow will be bloodily or cleanly met when he faces Itachi. "Like it or not" he will be "ruthless," inasmuch that Itachi's prayers only waste time... but not as far as Sasuke defeating Itachi by only cutting bonds and unleashing gory hell.

Sasuke wants to erase the monster Itachi has given him: the life, the day to day angst and journey to that final relief. Doing such his way isn't as virtuous as Naruto's or Gaara's (now) but there is a creature exposed that can silence his demon, his life. So be it ambitious, a monster defined by Naruto can be equivalent to Sasuke's limiting and liberating life---they are both double-edged swords and I don't mind the implications of comparing them.

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In fact, take this prediction: 348 will just show another pawn for Sasuke as he marches toward gaining some control he never had.

badluckartist
March 27, 2007, 01:52 PM
Cough,

Points given are ill-used.

It is irrelevant what my feelings for the protagonist are.

Some ill-used points:

1.) Sasuke ALSO works hard. Everyone WORKS HARD!
--> Under the circumstance, even though he has "the ultimate Bloodline Limit", he is still inferior to Naruto in terms of sheer destructive power because he doesn't have so much chakra as Naruto. I dare say that Sasuke works HARDER than Naruto to get to the same extent of improvement. Everyone who wants to be a note-worthy ninja works harder than Naruto. They can't just have 200 Kage Bunshin conjured up and take shortcuts.

Another fact is that Naruto has a MUCH HIGHER REGENERATION RATE than ANY CHARACTER. Thus, the argument of him having "more stamina" is made irrelevant simply because it is INHERENTLY APPARENT that the Kyuubi's powers are manifesting themselves physically in a NATURAL WAY, to simplify better, SECOND-NATURE the the body of Naruto. Counter-argument defaulted.

If we're talking about bias here, you obviously are bias to people called "geniuses". Noting that you ASSUME that geniuses don't need to work AS HARD as normal people. A famous old scientist has something to say about that:

"Genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration"

I don't know whether or not people may feel inferior to people more endowed than them. Can't blame anyone from feeling so. A famous anime has something to say about who people are:

"You are kind because you are you, not because you are a Coordinator"

2.) Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakras

Let's investigate their relationship:

~ Kyuubi sealed in Naruto [manga/anime fact]
~ Naruto NATURALLY infuses his own and the Kyuubi's chakra [manga/anime fact]
~ Naruto's chakra is blue [Anime fact]
~ Kyuubi's chakra is red [Anime fact]
~ Naruto was saved a lot of times by the Kyuubi's chakra powers
~ Post-time-skip Naruto never runs out of chakra, rather, just runs out of stamina [Deduction]
~ Kyuubi's chakra is infinitely more than Naruto's [Deduction]
~ Whenever Naruto uses a large amount of chakra, he goes red-eyes or if an excessive amount is used, he goes 4-tailed. [Fact]

Okay, just some facts for you to ingest.

Now for deduction.

If Naruto didn't have the Kyuubi, he'd be...

~ An orphan that wasn't hated/feared by everyone
~ Most likely have been adopted by a family
~ Behavior could be different. Not a doofus
~ Would not have been able to connect with Jinchuuruki Gaara
~ Would not have been able to connect with Sasuke
~ Would not have been made a pupil of Jiraiya
~ Would not have been given the chance to make a contract with the Frog
~ Would not have been able to use Rasengan actively
~ Would not have been able to summon up a lot of Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have been able to defeat Haku
~ Would not have been able to defend against Orochimaru
~ Would not have been able to defeat Deidara
~ Would not have been able to train with Kage Bunshins
~ Would not have learnt Rasen Shuriken
~ Would not have been able to keep pace or be a little bit behind from Sasuke
~ Would be a normal ninja (a.k.a Ino #2)
~ Would be [b]Dead

=> NOT SPECIAL

To say that the infusion of the Kyuubi's and Naruto's chakra as being negligible is... Furthermore, to ignore the fact that his body is naturally tapping into the chakra of the Kyuubi *thus rapid regeneration* and stating "the bottom line" is...

Get the facts straight.

Naruto will ALWAYS use the Kyuubi's chakra, whether he wants to or not.
It is safe to say that MOST of his CHAKRA comes from the Kyuubi. Evidence being he has UNNATURALLY high chakra amount for a person who's had less than 18 years of life experience. Even Sasuke, who had a MORE TRAUMATIZING childhood had his chakra limits known to himself. Naruto did not. If you had a 2 rivers, one has a massive and deep current and the other is small and shallow, if we make even a small passageway between the two. Obviously the much bigger current will flow A LOT, even a larger amount, to the water course way of the small river. in this case, they are inexplicably linked and since Naruto's body naturally taps into the Kyuubi's chakra, this is the small channel needed.


Now...? Other comments?

AH!

Predictions!

I don't think Obito/Karin would have become "ebil"!

Sasuke will need to get MS and will try to kill Naruto or he will try to ascertain Naruto's assitance, then kill him.

Ino x Sakura :D
Better yet,
Hinata x 5th Hokage :D

I predict more fan service!

More... more... MORe! MORE! MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!


... okay, first this is a manga. you can't take real-life examples or even examples from other manga/anime and compare them to kishimoto's idea of a genius IN THE NARUTO WORLD, and that is somebody born with talents and an edge over the general populace. through that definition, DURING PART I, yes, naruto can be considered a {however retarded} genius. he was given a free ride a LOT of times {believe me im not for naruto himself, especially part I [shivers]}, but the whole theme of his character in part II has been the rejection of kyubii, not using it more and more. the 4-tails scene was there just to show what the kyubii is beginning to do to naruto, not contradict the "genius of hardwork" theme that kishi has been trying to implement the entire series.

the things he was born with are what make him special, and part II exists to accentuate that. *MARK MY WORDS* somehow the kyubii will escape/be withdrawn from naruto, and he will finally be able to realize his true potential {forgive the dbz-ism there :P}. it's true that jiraiya said the kyubii was his gift during his childhood {it saved his life and let him prove his point}, but yamato and kakashi have both said a few times that as naruto is becoming older, the kyubii is more of a burden than a gift.

as for facts-

~color pictures in the official manga, though they might have only been overseen by kishimoto {and not done himself}, have depicted normal chakra as blue, the hatake's chakra as white, and the kyubii's chakra as BUBBLY red. i said bubblesness, didnt say anything about the redness of it.

~naruto didnt "defeat" deidara, he landed one solid hit in the face before deidara substituted out of the way. if youre telling me normal no kyubii naruto couldnt have landed that single hit, then youre insane. deidara had no escape other than rudimentary substitution techniques, his bird was destroyed.

~he used tajyuu kage bunshin before he was even aware that he could access the foxes chakra, that was his own stamina being converted into chakra, which is what makes him special {innate stamina}

~the kagebunshin training trick is purely a plot device to move the story foward. his frustration was what caused him to access kyubii's chakra during the training, not his limitations, and even if that was the case, he didnt use it positively-- he restrained it.

~"" Post-time-skip Naruto never runs out of chakra, rather, just runs out of stamina "" last time i checked, chakra was the form of energy that stamina is directly translated to

~"" I dare say that Sasuke works HARDER than Naruto to get to the same extent of improvement. Everyone who wants to be a note-worthy ninja works harder than Naruto. They can't just have 200 Kage Bunshin conjured up and take "" sasuke working harder than anyone is laughable. im pretty sure i remember sasuke barely escaping from yoroi, and then what, a month later can match, if not supercede rock lee's unbound from weights speed? yeah right!! sasuke put a month's effort into something that took rock lee his whole life. lee was the most average of average -- he couldnt even use ninjutsu!! but he worked his ass off and is {arguably} damn awesome. if other characters had that same work ethic for their own abilities, theyd be badass too {{even ino :P no seriously, her and sakura fought to the death in a TIE, 2.5 years later and sakura could mop the floor with 10 ino's; she worked}}

~naruto figuring out how to use rasengan and rasenshuriken had nothing to do with the kyubii. naruto surviving vs haku and shoving off oro's giant snake, and being able to summon gamabunta, yes. special. do you think we're going to see gamabunta or anything like that anytime soon? no. naruto connecting with sasuke and gaara, debatable. the kyubii made his life crap, it didnt make him special.

naruto is unique, but then again so is everyone. except iruka. and ebisu. feh to them. but everyone generally has some specialty, even ino. and if she worked hard {and had an awesome teacher}, she'd be awesome too.
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"evil" isnt what i said, ninja are said to be tools, even of those that are said to be the 'tool-ers'; who knows if obito and rin arent using akatsuki and sasuke to acheive their own goals? btw, most hypothetical sentence, EVER. sorry bout that.

tsunade{50+} X hinata{15} awesome awesome awesome!!! XD

Mendes
March 27, 2007, 03:30 PM
Understood, but think of the instance where Sasuke first tastes Itachi's wrath. Sasuke seemingly hungers for control as he reviews the lack of control he had over the situation, over its prevention. I believe it is this psychological pain that will never heal... without sacrifice. Frankly, another psychological experience has the capacity to do the same... but less on intimacy--overall, Sasuke will ironically use the best advantage he can gain over Itachi to make him beg: his own curse's potential. It could be angelic as he redefines what seems to be a physical manifestation of ill-well into a promise for his peace of mind; and the vow will be bloodily or cleanly met when he faces Itachi. "Like it or not" he will be "ruthless," inasmuch that Itachi's prayers only waste time... but not as far as Sasuke defeating Itachi by only cutting bonds and unleashing gory hell.

Sasuke wants to erase the monster Itachi has given him: the life, the day to day angst and journey to that final relief. Doing such his way isn't as virtuous as Naruto's or Gaara's (now) but there is a creature exposed that can silence his demon, his life. So be it ambitious, a monster defined by Naruto can be equivalent to Sasuke's limiting and liberating life---they are both double-edged swords and I don't mind the implications of comparing them.

i agree... although his true objective is to kill itachi, in his own mind sasuke may be planing to torture him before killing him, just like itachi did to him. i dont know how he plans to do so, but maybe the fact that he's creating a crew o his own has something to do with it. it was weird to see sasuke recruiting problematic members (at least suigetsu seems like it to say the least) when he should be more worried on fighting itachi by himself. i think sasuke wants to mentally hit his brother. it may seem like itachi's totally immune to psychological damage, coz he's a heartless killer, but sasuke knows him better than us. i still think there's much more about uchiha clan we still need to know. sasuke may know of something that troubles itachi, and the crew he's recruiting may be what he needs to achieve That. otherwise i dont know why would he be joining a group like he is

yemsta
March 27, 2007, 03:52 PM
Kinda weird now that oro is gone (i dont think he is gone) so there will be some interesting akatsuki movements and konoha will start moving soon a lot of interesting things are gonna happen!!

ornis
March 27, 2007, 05:45 PM
i agree... although his true objective is to kill itachi, in his own mind sasuke may be planing to torture him before killing him, just like itachi did to him. i dont know how he plans to do so, but maybe the fact that he's creating a crew o his own has something to do with it. it was weird to see sasuke recruiting problematic members (at least suigetsu seems like it to say the least) when he should be more worried on fighting itachi by himself. i think sasuke wants to mentally hit his brother. it may seem like itachi's totally immune to psychological damage, coz he's a heartless killer, but sasuke knows him better than us. i still think there's much more about uchiha clan we still need to know. sasuke may know of something that troubles itachi, and the crew he's recruiting may be what he needs to achieve That. otherwise i dont know why would he be joining a group like he is

Good point Mendes.

There's defintely more to Sasuke's "screen," heh, it could be a brilliant filter that determines how worthy new people could be to him---he wants a revived clan, right? Through familiar potential or through a swim in the ocean... through blood or "new" waters? Both?

ddadain
March 27, 2007, 06:23 PM
Normal chakra color is blue o_o

Seems like you won't buck down from your position.

The put my arguments in nutshells.

1.) Kyuubi gives a very LARGE advantage, more so than even Bloodline Limit.
2.) Naruto's body will continually use chakra of Kyuubi, whether he wants to or not => Natural function of the body already (e.g. fast-regeneration, chakra usage)
3.) Everyone works hard. If I can remember, Sasuke underwent hell training with Kakashi. Your comparison is obviously flaud because you can't compare someone with talent, with someone who does not. The manga and the anime has already stated that Rock Lee is SLOW. S-L-O-W. S.....L.........O..............W, when it comes to learning.

Stop being selective with your information. You're trying to take things out of context. Comparing people that are incomparable, like comparing an average person and a mentally/physically handicapped one. And in this case, it was Sasuke that was the inferior and Naruto was the superior.

It took Sasuke 1 month to learn that lightning thing (forgot the name XD), and Naruto took how many to learn Rasengan? Hmm? If my memory serves, it usually took a person a long time to master it, but Naruto, through his very LARGE chakra pool, pulled it off in but a very small fraction of the time it needed for "geniuses" to learn it AKA the 4th :P

Stamina =/= Chakra
o_o We're talking about cellular strain here, not how much chakra. Obviously, if the body can't take the strain, how can it use chakra?

And you're wrong about saying chakra is INNATE. Read the manga again, or even the anime. It EXPLICITLY states that your chakra pool is directly proportional to your life experiences. O_O You ain't born with a huge chakra pool! Obviously, it was unheard of when Naruto made about 1000 kage bunshins when he was beating the guy up at the first part of the manga/anime. :P

It is unlikely that the Kyuubi will "escape" as it is weak without a human host O______O Stated in the manga.

pcxxy
March 27, 2007, 11:58 PM
hmm... I'll predict that Karin has big bewbs :D

Rahan
March 28, 2007, 12:17 AM
It is unlikely that the Kyuubi will "escape" as it is weak without a human host O______O Stated in the manga.

Well, it was strong enough to make the strongest hokage of the strongest country use a kamikaze attack.

It was stated Sanbi had not the wits to use his strength or something along this line. I am not sure if turtles are supposed to be intelligent or not, so I won't comment. However, foxes are famous in every culture (see in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynard) or Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune)) for being smart and cunning, so I don't think intelligence will be a matter for him

Karma
March 28, 2007, 12:22 AM
Well, it was strong enough to make the strongest hokage of the strongest country use a kamikaze attack.

It was stated Sanbi had not the wits to use his strength or something along this line. I am not sure if turtles are supposed to be intelligent or not, so I won't comment. However, fox are famous in every culture (see in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynard) or Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune)) for being smart and cunning, so I don't think intelligence will be a matter for him
So right. I think the fox might already know what the AK been doing and thats was the reason he mention that sasuke should not try to kill naruto or else he'll be sorry.. I think killing Naruto might lead to naruto turning into some thing evil because of the Kyuubi that is plase inside of him.


but looking for manga to be late....

bennibb
March 28, 2007, 05:17 AM
No, he'd be dead. Sauske fatally wounded him at least once. Twice in the anime.
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No... he wouldnt. You base that like everything would be the same if he didnt have Kyuubi inside. And my point was that things wouldnt be the same. Maybe he would never known Sasuke like that... And maybe he would be alot better at basic skills if not for Kyuubi. Like the 4. was. So to say that without the Kyuubi he would be daed.. Thats just plain stupid. WE can never know... And its a empty debate

ddadain
March 28, 2007, 07:28 AM
Take it this way,

If he still was the protagonist of the series.

If he faced any of the opponents he "beat up" without the Kyuubi, what do you think would have happened?

Karma
March 28, 2007, 11:14 AM
Take it this way,

If he still was the protagonist of the series.

If he faced any of the opponents he "beat up" without the Kyuubi, what do you think would have happened? its just the same as Garra fighting Sasuke at the chunnin exam. if naruto didn't came and stop Garra suske would have died.
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No... he wouldnt. You base that like everything would be the same if he didnt have Kyuubi inside. And my point was that things wouldnt be the same. Maybe he would never known Sasuke like that... And maybe he would be alot better at basic skills if not for Kyuubi. Like the 4. was. So to say that without the Kyuubi he would be daed.. Thats just plain stupid. WE can never know... And its a empty debateI agreed.

jerger
March 28, 2007, 12:02 PM
I have two theories, the second is most true... but if it fails then I think sasuke is making friends to get the eyes lol... but to be honest... I think he is going to be a hokage, just not for konoha. I often wonder what "truths" did itatchi find out, maybe he heard a legend of a new uchiha starting a city or becoming hokage... not realizing it wasnt for konoah but for these events.

maybe sasuke has turned a new leaf... he will help kill the akatsuki however he has no home in konoha (maybe they will become his clan for konoha, or maybe they will start the new village or continue the sound)...

however.. I believe sasusuke is gathering other gifted people and geniouses to create new lineages in a new city. think of konoha, those people were talented but theey come from only 5 hokages... where did they come from before konoha? they came from other places, maybe a larger war like this one

so i believe naruto will become hokage of the leaf, and sasuke a hokage of the freaks

deathshadow25
March 28, 2007, 01:40 PM
I actually think that whatever Sasukes doing now will put him on a direct path to Naruto and Sakura

ornis
March 28, 2007, 03:06 PM
Why do you think so, DS25?

GPZrag
March 28, 2007, 03:22 PM
i know this is a little off topic but wouldn't you love to see an EVIL NARUTO? wow! that will be nice, maybe naruto is extremely cool in an evil perspective...

Karma
March 28, 2007, 04:03 PM
i know this is a little off topic but wouldn't you love to see an EVIL NARUTO? wow! that will be nice, maybe naruto is extremely cool in an evil perspective... Well, I think Kishi might let that happen.. well, naruto will get evil when someone close to him die and he give up to the fox and is eye going to be red all the time. that be so cool..

DarkManSharingan32
March 28, 2007, 04:06 PM
Ahh, this is place is getting slightly out of control (I'm sure part of it is my fault...)
But i would just remind you all to make sure you are actually making predictions about the next chapter. Lengthy chakra discussions, and Kyuubi/Naruto comments can be made is threads in the Toshokan
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Formalities out of the way...
I would like to predict that this Karin girl is more than likely going to be all over Sasuke. This would make a great rivalry for Sakura later on, and makes things that much more interesting on Sasuke's end. (Poor Karin... not knowing she doesn't hold a place in Sasuke's heart.)

Also, I would like to see something besides comedy happening in Konoha... Maybe a shot of Danzou seeming as if he is preparing for something...
I want to see some chaos already... lol

ANBU4U
March 28, 2007, 05:37 PM
No... he wouldnt. You base that like everything would be the same if he didnt have Kyuubi inside. And my point was that things wouldnt be the same. Maybe he would never known Sasuke like that... And maybe he would be alot better at basic skills if not for Kyuubi. Like the 4. was. So to say that without the Kyuubi he would be daed.. Thats just plain stupid. WE can never know... And its a empty debate

The point of the example is that in that siution, he would have died had it not been for the kyyubi, proving that the kyyubi is used by naruto as an asset.

the original argument being that Naruto is a "gifted ninja" not a normal one.


Besides u cant just assume someone will devlope new advantages to replace his old ones...like what if I said Sauske would still ahve been able to compete with kyyubi naruto even if he never had the sharigan...becuase he would ahve just become faster. It baseles, and unsupportable. It ruins the point of argument...its like arguing religion.

Guy 1: "wheres ur proof?"
Guy 2: "In jesus' love"
Guy 1: " O....riiight."

You can only make an argument based on tangable evidence. And in that situation, the kyuubi saved Narutos life, period. Without it he'd have been up the creek. SO kyuubi=unique asset for Naruto.

Note the word unique. Being taught how to manipulate shadows doesnt count...cuz it was taught.

MadDog
March 28, 2007, 09:08 PM
If we still see Naruto & company eating ramen at Ichiraku, that would be completely rediculous. Time to move on already.

My prediction is that word of Orochimaru's demise finally makes it back to Konoha. Maybe Jiraiya finds out somehow. Everyone will be shocked, to say the least, and there will be a moment of reflection from his former teamates.

Naruto will be motivated to resume training (even harder than previously) and Sakura will start questioning her feelings for Sasuke as it will be obvious that he's truly abandoned both Konoha and his friends.

shachi
March 28, 2007, 11:12 PM
On the Konoha front, I think it is about time Akatsuki make a move for the ring on Kakuzu's corpse.

JadeSpirit
March 29, 2007, 01:31 AM
I would like to find out why Sasuke's forming this four-man team-to-be of his, and what purpose he hopes to accomplish.

Don't think Kishi will show us that just yet though...

STOIC
March 29, 2007, 02:41 AM
how could naruto possibly beat sasuke at their current levels? thats like naruto fighting orochimaru and killing him... oh wait.. naruto did fight orochimaru like.. not too long ago.. and oh .. what? orochimaru was laughing? well even if it was for a bit.... naruto couldnt then.. and one new technique im sure wouldnt make a difference... Naruto cant beat Sasuke at their levels now.. i think that is the author's point at this particular time.. not like theyre up for comparison right now.. we all know that naruto still needs to work hard to be the best by-far.

Karin? she looks cool? meh... she looks kinda plain.. highly overrated i think...unless she has some cool jutsus... then she might be a little interesting to watch. Itll be nice to see what Juugo can do. .along with karin and Suigetsu..



this arc yeah.. id have to say it is kinda boring.... not much in terms of plot development to keep me stimulated.. unless kishi was building up for something THIS WEEK.. even something minor... no new swords or a dude who needs to meet an orthodontist... something like.. oh heyy.. its 3:00 pm.. i need to go kill my brother before we can finish this game of monopoly... kinda thing... i dont picture kishi giving away the leader's face now either.. not until the last manga of part 2. or the beginning of part 3....

need stimulation!!!!


SORRY!!! i swear when i had initially posted.. it had the word SPOILER next to the text at the naruto discussion page... my most humble of apologies...

Edit: I deleted the possible spoilers from your post... Try to keep from spoiling others with your posts... that stuff is to be left in the Spoilers section. ~ DMS

deathshadow25
March 29, 2007, 02:47 PM
Long term prediction here, I predict that one of these two might come up in the future and might be AL.

http://www.freewebs.com/progenitor_of_ka05/suspect.jpg

jerger
March 29, 2007, 05:57 PM
i said it earlier but sasuke is rebuilding his clan, if not he is going to create a new village of talent (just like the 1st and 2nd did...)

maybe naruto will help build that village or be a fellow hokage as he is to the kazekage. i think sasuke had a change of heart, but he needs to prove his worth.

MNL1989
March 30, 2007, 12:09 AM
I think that Oro is still affecting Sasuke's mind in some shape or form so he wants to destroy, but since Sasuke is dominant and kinda suppressing him, he's directing his aggression towards a future battle with Akatsuki instead of building up forces to destroy Konoha.

Karma
March 30, 2007, 12:37 AM
Long term prediction here, I predict that one of these two might come up in the future and might be AL.

http://www.freewebs.com/progenitor_of_ka05/suspect.jpg well, my long term prediction will be that one of those 2 people is a sharigan user and they still alive.

Mammago
March 30, 2007, 02:08 AM
I think either Suigetsu or this Karin tries to pry some answers out of Sasuke as to what he plans to do. Suigetsu may have some clue, since he knew Sasuke was going after Orochimaru. Karin may be mouthy enough to question what Sasuke's plans are.

By know Akatsuki or konoha should be getting some word on this. Both wanted to stop the transfer. And from what Kabuto said, the time was almost near. so they both had to be gathering info by now.

laughing@you
March 30, 2007, 01:43 PM
Did i miss something?

I'm not a sasuke fan nor do I hate him, but when did the anime was re-named to sasuke The lightning chronicles?

I mean I know there's supposed to be character development in order for the plot to work, but naruto wasn't even mentioned, except for the title, so what gives?

SPAMU
March 30, 2007, 02:11 PM
So evidently, Karin has multiple personalities and Juugo is schizophrenic o_O.... I don't mind that it's focusing on Sasuke. Even though he's not the main character, he's been left out for how many chapters; so, it's almost necessary to see what's going on with him, especially if Kishimoto still wants us non-fanboys to care.

When Suigetsu makes the prisoners promise to tell everyone about Sasuke, it makes me wonder if Sasuke's going to become some weird idealist guy, making him like a less twisted Orochimaru, even after he defeats Itachi. I mean, aside from Ne, and after akatsuki, it would make sense for him to become the new "villain" or... antagonist, rather.

Ugh, I don't know why Kishimoto made Suigetsu's hand swell up like that... I can understand if he suddenly got muscular, but Kishi apparently likes the monster aspect (e.g., curse seals, jinchuuriki, weird-ass akatsuki). And I wonder exactly how all the "unique" abilities of Sasuke's platoon will fit together...... hmm guess I'll just have to ride it out.

maxhrk
March 30, 2007, 03:08 PM
So evidently, Karin has multiple personalities and Juugo is schizophrenic o_O.... I don't mind that it's focusing on Sasuke. Even though he's not the main character, he's been left out for how many chapters; so, it's almost necessary to see what's going on with him, especially if Kishimoto still wants us non-fanboys to care.

When Suigetsu makes the prisoners promise to tell everyone about Sasuke, it makes me wonder if Sasuke's going to become some weird idealist guy, making him like a less twisted Orochimaru, even after he defeats Itachi. I mean, aside from Ne, and after akatsuki, it would make sense for him to become the new "villain" or... antagonist, rather.

Ugh, I don't know why Kishimoto made Suigetsu's hand swell up like that... I can understand if he suddenly got muscular, but Kishi apparently likes the monster aspect (e.g., curse seals, jinchuuriki, weird-ass akatsuki). And I wonder exactly how all the "unique" abilities of Sasuke's platoon will fit together...... hmm guess I'll just have to ride it out.


since Suigestsu has them spreads the words.. no doubt Konoha going to get wind of it.. i am sure they will find out about it soon. So will Akastsuki..

i bet in some upcoming chapter Itachi will say "See? told you, i dont have to worry about my brother *still eating pocky*" or something like that.

kyubisharingan
March 30, 2007, 03:11 PM
whoa....what exactly was juugo talking about....girls are better no, guys are.....please no homo kishi^^

MAN suigetsu, that arm was made big. i wouldnt wanna get punched by that

MT.
March 30, 2007, 03:12 PM
First impressions of Karin? Ah.. HOTTIE.. nerd hottie LOL.. ahahaha! I see then in this chapter Kishi showing us Sasuke's still 'ze man in the ladies department then, eh? Heh, I wonder how SasuSaku shippers are reacting to the chapter... if there are any left... Mm, Karin got irritating towards the end though, with all that nonsensical Sasuke worshippage, ick. Ino, much? Eh, whatever.

Oh and Juugo = confused bi?? aww. <3

This manga is turning verrrrryy sexual... =D

Anywho - relationships, sexuality & the likes aside - I'm enjoying the way the plot is turning out. "Make sure you tell everyone that Uchiha Sasuke defeated Orochimaru and set us free." was interesting. Obvs. Sasuke has only one intention, and that is to whip Itachi's ass, however, the way the arc is turning out is making me think of the many new and less obvious ways of how he intends to achieve this. Hmm, but he's making himself sound all almighty... to get his brother's attention perhaps? But does this serve any other purpose? Does he also plan to foil Akatsuki's plans in order to get to his brother? etc. etc. [Haha, random ass ideas floating in my head.]

Oh, another point, wow.. so Sasuke's been planning this for 2.5 years, huh? Interesting. I'm quite curious as to how this is going to play out. The plan, attack, or whatever, must be rather complex and well thought out... ahh!! I'M EXCITED. =D And also how will Akatsuki react to this? Team Kakashi etc.? The reaction chapters shall be interesting... <3

Heh.. well, it seems Naruto manga is not as predictable as before... thank God.

Eh, better stop obsessing over the chapter now...
So final comment: I love. <33

MT.
March 30, 2007, 03:17 PM
whoa....what exactly was juugo talking about....girls are better no, guys are.....please no homo kishi^^

MAN suigetsu, that arm was made big. i wouldnt wanna get punched by that

Bring on the homo-or-whatever-ness!!
Haha, makes it more fun.

Ah, yeah that was.. interesting mod to the body.. I wonder what Karin's is...

endofjulia
March 30, 2007, 03:24 PM
I don't mind it focusing on Sasuke. We've seen most of the other character's growth, and now it seems to be Sasuke's turn. Given his speech when he fought Orochimaru, Sasuke is becoming quite an idealist. I don’t mind it one bit. It gets me geared up for the future. The battles ahead are all going to be clashes of ideals (along with great fighting), and I can't wait for those to come. I just have to be patient x.x

It seems the latest chapters are all for the fans. (Hooray for fanservice!) This week it’s Karin. If you fit her in “librarian” clothes, then she’s total fantasy. Nerd one minute, smexy mama the next! lol

By the way, I can’t wait for the news of Sasuke to get back to Kohona. Future chapters are going to be extremely interesting.

6thangel
March 30, 2007, 03:32 PM
Sasuke is not the one who told Suigetsu to say that. The question is why did Suigetsu decide to say that because Sasuke certainly has no intention of saving the world. It is pretty obvious from his introduction that he probably has ulterior motives besides being buddies and letting everyone know what happens is part of that.

tricel
March 30, 2007, 03:38 PM
i think this chapter proves that kishimoto is planning to just kill his main character "naruto"and get over w/it and start to make a sequel for his dear "sasuke" defeating every single akatsuki as well as missing nin,sort of revenge for his dear old rival and so called friend.
to make it more extreme fan service he will make sasuke a bisexual so that he can make yaoi fans/sasuke fans happy!

Shabanga
March 30, 2007, 03:40 PM
I gotta say i really liked this chapter.karin should be an intresting character.and now we know one of suigetsu's abilities.and it looks like juugo will be the first bisexual naruto character :P.cant wait to find out what sasuke's motives are and how this group will work together.

DarkManSharingan32
March 30, 2007, 04:10 PM
Formalities out of the way...
I would like to predict that this Karin girl is more than likely going to be all over Sasuke. This would make a great rivalry for Sakura later on, and makes things that much more interesting on Sasuke's end. (Poor Karin... not knowing she doesn't hold a place in Sasuke's heart.)

Also, I would like to see something besides comedy happening in Konoha... Maybe a shot of Danzou seeming as if he is preparing for something...
I want to see some chaos already... lol

Ahh, it seems the short version of my prediction has worked out... Karin is nothing but attached to Sasuke for his body... much like Ino and the others. She'll soon see where she actually stands.

As for Suigetsu... thats a pretty nice ability he's got there. But the one thing about it is that it doesn't seem fit for a swordsman. So, I believe that we were all slightly mistaken with Suigetsu's language last chapter.... and the sword will be used to persuade Juugo into joining up with them.
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Sasuke's Plan....
Wow, everything seems to be really coming together... All those people who were dead-set on Sasuke being some evil figure really have to start eating their words now. But this all depends, of course... on his new plan. (Hopefully something where he goes back to Konoha).

Overall.. a really great chapter. I really liked Suigetsu creating this cult-like following of Sasuke. That could really develop into something... Hopefully the antithesis of the character he just took out... but who knows.

C4animax
March 30, 2007, 04:11 PM
I did like the chapter as well, i don't like suigetsu ability...what i also find strange is why suigetsu starts talking to the prisonners about saving the world and stuff...and i don't know why but karin seems to be a hidden guy >.>...some people might be in chock in future chapters...

And to think that they travel the "ocean" by walking on water = LOL.


i think this chapter proves that kishimoto is planning to just kill his main character "naruto"and get over w/it and start to make a sequel for his dear "sasuke" defeating every single akatsuki as well as missing nin,sort of revenge for his dear old rival and so called friend.
to make it more extreme fan service he will make sasuke a bisexual so that he can make yaoi fans/sasuke fans happy!

lol since the manga went like a "pokemon" phenomen i doubt that naruto would die in the manga...

DarkManSharingan32
March 30, 2007, 04:12 PM
I gotta say i really liked this chapter.karin should be an intresting character.and now we know one of suigetsu's abilities.and it looks like juugo will be the first bisexual naruto character :P.cant wait to find out what sasuke's motives are and how this group will work together.

Bah... for all we know Juugo could be some crazy murderer type who is talking about who he prefers to kill. Which would put a reason to why NO ONE wants to join up with him.

kadoman
March 30, 2007, 04:31 PM
Mmm...could be a cannibal. Or a bisexual. Or both. Now THAT would be original. That would give new meaning to the phrase, 'you are so sweet, I could just eat you.' Sasuke might have a tough time then...or Karin...

Anyway, it was an interesting chapter. Lots of new pieces of info. I like Karin. She's sexy and sassy and has more spark than Sakura. She's also hot with those glasses! I'm not wild about Suigestu just yet. I think I need to give him more time to grow on me.

I also found it strange how Suigetsu starts talking about Sasuke saving the world and bringing peace to it. Weird. I think they're all reasonably insane. Sasuke included. :D

lordHokage
March 30, 2007, 05:06 PM
I am delighted to see the prisoners are being free. Sasuke confirm to Kabuto Orochimaru is not DEAD. He gives Suigetsu and Karin the impression Orochimaru is DEAD. Now Suigetsu giving the prisoners a direct order to spread word that Sasuke KILL Orochimaru and set us free. Once again, according to the tea leaves, Sasuke definitely needs to be rescue notwithstanding the outcome of his plans. This chapter was okay. :neutral

bighawke5
March 30, 2007, 05:38 PM
well the chapter is pretty imteresting for something that didn't feature naruto himself and other konoha chumps..lol jkiddin
anyway sasuke seems like he has another plan that either includes killing his bro and something else big(why else need the help of a "platoon" like he said) or just killing his bro becuz he knows itachi is far stronger than he is and also he can't take on ALL akatsuki by himself no matter how strong he has become right now or how strong his fans make him seem.
i was guessing it was the atter but the way he said "i've got a certain plan i need to carry out" and didn't say i need to kill a certain person instead" when that guy asked him why he was gathering ppl up, makes me thing he has something else big planned but it might include the death of his bro also since thats what's keepin him alive and makin him stronger.

wat i'm interested in the next issue is to at least sea something thats gonna trigger fight scenes i want action this is turnin too dbzish....
AND NO I DONT WANT TO SEE THE SCENES WITH NARUTO WHERE THEY SHOW THOSE SMALL LIKE JOKES AT KONOHA AND ALL HIS FRIENDS LAUGH AND NOTHIN IS DECIDED THERE...i mean wat the hell are those scenes for they should have a seperate manga fillers for those stupid scenes. we want to see naruto or someone else in konoha(when they do show konoha) do something thats gonna help him get stronger or carry out his own plan "to bring sasuke back" or even jiraiya telling something interesting to naruto or something but never mind those joking scenes where they are all doing useless things like konohamaru learned the kagebushin...hmmm naruto what does that say bout u u need to be up on ur feet and improving dammit if u ever gonna fight sasuke again..how r u gonna catch him with that crazy speed. anyway u get the point. lmao

Sentou Ryoku
March 30, 2007, 05:53 PM
Just read the raw...Well, at least now we know Sasuke and crew don't need boats and what not. That, and at least Juugo didn't turn out to be fat like I thought.

PaperYomiko
March 30, 2007, 06:09 PM
Mmm...could be a cannibal. Or a bisexual. Or both. Now THAT would be original. That would give new meaning to the phrase, 'you are so sweet, I could just eat you.' Sasuke might have a tough time then...or Karin...


That would be great :smile-big

And I like Karin too. Glasses are very cool (I'm biased, I actually wear ones similar to hers :amuse) The one thing with her - and maybe this is just me being insane - is that she looks a hell of a lot like Sasuke to me. Even the hair. I'm not saying I think she's he's sister or anything (I think that would be pretty lame, actually) but, I don't know, her hitting on him... seemed a bit... wrong... to me...

Suigetsu I definitely like. He seems like a troublemaker - I think that's why he said that thing about Sasuke saving the world - he probably knew it would totally piss him off. I mean, Sasuke is really bossy, he's just asking to be pranked for it (and for being so damn serious all the time). Might Suigetsu be feeling a bit jealous of Sasuke for Karin's attentions? I got that feeling... given his grand entrance he certainly didn't like the idea of them being locked in a room together...

Interesting that so far the team is really looking like a mirror of team 7. Although, if this other guy does turn out to be a cannibal/bisexual/general psychopathic kind of guy, that certainly will shake things up a bit.

I wonder what Sasuke's Big Idea is. I can't imagine it will be incredibly altruistic, but I really don't think he's gone entirely to the Dark Side, either...

SmallTiger
March 30, 2007, 06:47 PM
(Yawn) Lame chapter. Let's just rename the series "Lord Sasuke" and get on with it.

mugen
March 30, 2007, 06:49 PM
wow it seems both are trying to kill Sasuke...
I mean is it really necessary for Sasuke to make enemies that quick :oh
and it seems that Orochimaru just experimented on those he did not give cursed seals....

MightyPee
March 30, 2007, 06:57 PM
i beleive the new guy is skitso and bi so hes a skitsosexual

Slayer6x
March 30, 2007, 07:45 PM
This chapter, to me... It wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either. Karin and Suigetsu are cool. I like them. I can't wait to see the looks on everyone in Konoha's faces when word reaches them that Sasuke "killed" Orochimaru. I wonder what Naruto's next move would be.

zaijan_85
March 30, 2007, 07:52 PM
(Yawn) Lame chapter. Let's just rename the series "Lord Sasuke" and get on with it.

the couple of chapters remind me of one piece where they recruit ppl -- is kishi running out of ideas?

shachi
March 30, 2007, 07:56 PM
This episode was kind of underwhelming, with not even a hint of Karin's special abilities.

I'm going to guess she has some kind of heightened awareness, where she can detect the slightest movement and sense chakra levels or whatever. This would make sense since she was a jailer.

Or maybe she's smart and will give shikamaru a run for his money.

C4animax
March 30, 2007, 08:18 PM
the couple of chapters remind me of one piece where they recruit ppl -- is kishi running out of ideas?

In some ways he can't just act on his own, imagine sasuke doing that and succeeding in everything he does (because i suppose that with his squad he has a 0&#37; chance failure), non sasuke fanboy would be pretty annoyed (as most of them already are lol...).

it will be really interesting at the end of next chapter i guess, when sasuke reveal his plan.

Yondaime-Uzumaki
March 30, 2007, 08:43 PM
Too much sasuke for me , Shame on u kishimoto ... For ruining the best manga ever.

gurendesu
March 30, 2007, 09:30 PM
maybe juugo is a jinchuuriki (remember how crazy gaara was at first? maybe this dudes the same) so sasukes gonna lure kisame and itachi - sharingan vs sharingan + swordsman vs swordsman eh? and karin n juugo just watch how damn sexy sasuke is