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destinator
March 30, 2007, 12:51 PM
The RAW just came out. If you dont have it already get it here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10913).

So yeah its prediction time now. Tell us what will happen in the next chapter!

:)

Materia
March 30, 2007, 01:35 PM
It's pretty obvious we wont see a whole lot of other people besides Sasuke for a little bit... So it's probably going to be more Sasuke recruiting and probably some of his plans might be said or something along those lines..

sheep
March 30, 2007, 03:09 PM
sasuke is choosing his team mates for their abilities..... wonder if he is matching them to the akatsuki members..... i'd like to see karin and sakura in a cat fight to the death for sasuke :D

kyubisharingan
March 30, 2007, 03:12 PM
Prediction: Konoha hears that Sasuke defeated ORo, then Naruto finds out, during his training. then, Akatsuki finds out, and itachi is kinda surprised

bennibb
March 30, 2007, 03:23 PM
Yea... I was wondering how Naruto was gonna get this news. So now he can complete his training without worry about time limit. Everyone is gonna be surprised but ofc Itachi is not gonna make even a small face change. Hes stone cold (cool) like ever

MakubeX
March 30, 2007, 03:45 PM
Yea... I was wondering how Naruto was gonna get this news. So now he can complete his training without worry about time limit. Everyone is gonna be surprised but ofc Itachi is not gonna make even a small face change. Hes stone cold (cool) like ever

Of course Itachi wouldnt change face expression, he couldnt expect less from someone who has the Sharingan eyes. If Sasuke were to fail to kill Orochimaru means simply that he couldnt get strong enough and use the sharingan to it's potential. I do believe that after Itachi hear these news that he might be starting to think that Sasuke is climbing good on making a threat to Itachi since he know Sasuke is after to kill him.

Naruto will most probably think that Sasuke turned good again and when they meet next time they will cuddle and do stuff like that.

ITACHIWIFE
March 30, 2007, 03:57 PM
naruto will be mad at sasuke because naruto wanted to save sasuke

ofudamaster
March 30, 2007, 04:46 PM
naruto will be mad at sasuke because naruto wanted to save sasuke

AWESOME! XD And then of course they'll have another epic fight about it. Sasuke still beats Naruto at everything.


As for 349, probably we're going to get introduced to Juugo, who I assume was the guy at the end of 348. It would be totally pointless to jump back to Konoha right now, and I think we're all more interested in what Sasuke's up to. I know I am.


Is it just me or does there see mto be some sort of weird tension building up? Karin lusting after Sasuke, Karin and Suigetsu kind of competing for his attention, Sasuke being totally uninterested, and now this new guy who seems to like guys more then girls but isn't quite sure....no wait actually guys....

Mendes
March 30, 2007, 04:52 PM
next chapter we'll have naruto recieve the news of oro's death, and his reaction. he'll probably believe that sasuke was planning it from the start and sacrificed himself for the sake of killing oro. He'll have another breakdown in the future for shure :P
i also wonder why sasuke insists on recruiting this people. they have to be extremly useful, or else i cant see him getting along with a short tempered guy, a groupie and this juugo, who seems to be out of his mind, just for fun...

rockyabc
March 30, 2007, 04:55 PM
Who was Karin fighting at the end of ch.347? I thought it was Sasuke but kishi seemed to change his mind about the plot?

I think it's safe to assume Konoha will hear about the whole Oro died incident. I kind of dislike the idea that Sasuke is all goodie now, where's the spirit man?! :notrust

Mendes
March 30, 2007, 05:07 PM
Who was Karin fighting at the end of ch.347? I thought it was Sasuke but kishi seemed to change his mind about the plot?

that was defenitively not sasuke at the end of chapter 347... sasuke doesnt dress like that for shure lol

Karma
March 30, 2007, 05:15 PM
Well, my prediction is similar to the others..

First they'll be on there way to meet up with the new Character, then there be a little action between him and Suigetsu before sasuke tell them to cut it out showing them is sharigan. It will show a jump to the live village where the 5th or Jariaya got the message " there shock at what took place and wonder what the reaction of naruto going to be. Naruto heard the News and happy for 3 minutes and get serious taking off is bandage telling kakashi that sasuke is still stronger and he need to complete this jutsu. (it might not happen in the next chapter) then the Ak group heard of it and Itachi feels please of the news thinking that is brother has activate the MS to kill Orochimaru. but the twist behind every thing was Itachi killed is family because he was force or brain washed to do so by the Leader or else they all going to die. So saving sasuke life knowing that he has the ability to revenage is family death plus to kill the leader while he at it was what he planned all a long.

Someone from the leave village going to betray them and its not going to be someone that they could think of doing it. its either Kakashi sensi or Jariaya. one of those guys have a hidden agenda.

lordHokage
March 30, 2007, 05:28 PM
Well, my prediction is similar to the others..

First they'll be on there way to meet up with the new Character, then there be a little action between him and Suigetsu before sasuke tell them to cut it out showing them is sharigan. It will show a jump to the live village where the 5th or Jariaya got the message " there shock at what took place and wonder what the reaction of naruto going to be. Naruto heard the News and happy for 3 minutes and get serious taking off is bandage telling kakashi that sasuke is still stronger and he need to complete this jutsu. (it might not happen in the next chapter) then the Ak group heard of it and Itachi feels please of the news thinking that is brother has activate the MS to kill Orochimaru. but the twist behind every thing was Itachi killed is family because he was force or brain washed to do so by the Leader or else they all going to die. So saving sasuke life knowing that he has the ability to revenage is family death plus to kill the leader while he at it was what he planned all a long.

Someone from the leave village going to betray them and its not going to be someone that they could think of doing it. its either Kakashi sensi or Jariaya. one of those guys have a hidden agenda.


I completely disagree with your predictions. I have complete faith in Kishimoto, so keep dreaming and don

moscovite999
March 30, 2007, 06:21 PM
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I think in the next chapter we will see a new Bijuu who will escape from the Akatsuki and will meet Naruto to become a new ally; and of course, as you said the next of the recruitment of Sasuke.

Karma
March 30, 2007, 07:14 PM
[QUOTE=Lord Hokage;348934]I completely disagree with your predictions. I have complete faith in Kishimoto, so keep dreaming and don

lordHokage
March 30, 2007, 07:45 PM
well, we will all see about that lol Naruto is going to resume is training when he heard the news.


Naruto would resume his training in spite of any news.

arslan
March 30, 2007, 08:29 PM
about the next chapter i think that Juugo might be revealed and sasuke's plan might be given a bit more attention. we may see sasuke thinking about how his team members fall in place with his plan for revenge

SmallTiger
March 30, 2007, 11:18 PM
I predict that Karin will become the second victim of Konohamaru's yaoi jutsu. :P

ninetailfox84
March 30, 2007, 11:32 PM
well, a good chapter this is.

my prediction:

the news about sasuke defeated oro will spread to konoha. Well, i just go with the flow. It seems that this is most likely to happen. i just wonder what reaction will we get from naruto when he heard that news.

his hardwork over the three years has gone to waste because his goal is already gone, but then again he didnt learn much with jiraiya!:p

speaking about jiraiya, did he know that his best friend aka oro has died? i think he should know about that now. Also wonder his reaction.

ophidial
March 30, 2007, 11:38 PM
it would totally be awesome if juugo turned out to be a jinkuuriki, i mean
i mean oro would have tried to capture some if they, as kabuto said, were
trying to disrupt akatsukis plans. that would definately lead to a confrontaion
in the future. or perhaps sasukes plan is to actually kidnap naruto and
pretty much use him as bait as well.

matsyes
March 31, 2007, 01:04 AM
I think juugo is a really messed up character, whats with the "i like guys ,no no girls " thing kishi is really going for yaoi stuff now a days ..it'll be hilarious if juugo also makes a pass on sasuke lol ... i think naruto is gonna be stunne dby teh news and will try to meet up with sasuke to understand whats going on in his head and eventually sasuke is gonna come back to konha ... also i think there is a lot more to itachi ...unless he' just toughning up sasuke to test his container or whatever again...

Omi
March 31, 2007, 02:29 AM
I'll go with the flow predicting that we will get a small glimpse at Konoha receiving the news. Instead of feeling releived Naruto will feel disappointed believing that Oro successfully transferred while Sakura will at first feel the opposite. Which would lead to "meet up with Sasuke" arc sometime later to confirm he isn't Oro.

How long do you think it takes for them to walk from one base to another. As this period of walking been over week or are they speed walkers.

Uchiha Slayer
March 31, 2007, 05:17 AM
Wow, this one great chapter.

I'll go with the flow for my prediction. We will be introduced to juugo. I dont think in the next chapter it will go back to kohona. But I think we will get more info on sasuke plans and a glispe of juugo power just like we got a glispe of suigetsu powers.

Mendes
March 31, 2007, 06:29 AM
it would totally be awesome if juugo turned out to be a jinkuuriki, i mean
i mean oro would have tried to capture some if they, as kabuto said, were
trying to disrupt akatsukis plans. that would definately lead to a confrontaion
in the future. or perhaps sasukes plan is to actually kidnap naruto and
pretty much use him as bait as well.

i dont know about that, but there's defenitively something very special about juugo. for sasuke to recruit someone that mad, and knowing both the other recruits doesnt like him.
he cant have a bloodline limit, coz if he did, oro would have changed to his body instead.
as we got a glimpse of suigetsu powers(he got triple mass on his arms when he used the sword xD) we may see also some of karin's power that makes her so important for sasuke's plan.

Serpent
March 31, 2007, 07:47 AM
The thing i'm wondering about is why juugo is in a cell you'd think that if he is powerful enough 4 sasuke to want him on his team he'd be able to brake out , maybe he's guarded by someone and we'll see a fight next chapter

ninetailfox84
March 31, 2007, 08:18 AM
i thought the guy at the end of the chapter was just a random person, but was that juugo? he seems to have a split personality. well, i bet he is a good character, just like zetsu, 2 split personality.

:p

Mattias / Sweden
March 31, 2007, 08:47 AM
i think he does match his members with the members of akatsuki. i also think that we will se this new girl from akatsuki that we haven

Konkun
March 31, 2007, 12:00 PM
It would be very foolish for Sasuke to match his team with Akatsuki. I believe what Sasuke will use the team to fight Itachi and Kisame. I predict that Sasuke will lure Naruto away from Konoha, and use him as bait to get Itachi and Kisame. Once, he got the pair to come after Naruto, thats when he's gonna challenge Itachi one on one, the rest of his team would be keeping Kisame away from their fight.

Super Angillis
March 31, 2007, 12:09 PM
i dont know about that, but there's defenitively something very special about juugo. for sasuke to recruit someone that mad, and knowing both the other recruits doesnt like him.
he cant have a bloodline limit, coz if he did, oro would have changed to his body instead.
as we got a glimpse of suigetsu powers(he got triple mass on his arms when he used the sword xD) we may see also some of karin's power that makes her so important for sasuke's plan.

Or it could just be a bloodline limit that wasn't as appealing to Oro as the Sharingen. Something like Hakus. Someone said Juugo could be a Jirinchi. That might explain his switching prefernces if he's a guy, and has a female Biju, LOL.

I wonder if we'll see the team that Sasuke is assembling fight team 7. Naruto vs Sasuke, Sakura Vs Karin, Sai Vs Juugo, and Kakashi or Yamato vs Sugetsu.

sangai
March 31, 2007, 01:38 PM
well someonedid mention earlier that Juugo is the japenese word for 15, perhaps he really does have 15 intresting traits, or 15 different personalities.

notice he is secluded in a cell, with a huge chain and metal ballaround his leg, he obviously is strong enough to cause problems, im just wondering what kind of character he is.

as for the boy girl thing..maybe he likes fighting guys ..or girls, maybe it's not a sexual prefrence

DarkManSharingan32
March 31, 2007, 01:57 PM
Ok, it's prediction time:

I think the chapter will begin in Konoha, it will basically be a set-up for the end of the chapter.. where hints of Sasuke's actions will most likely reach Tsunade (expect her face to drop below her desk.)

When it switches back to Team Sasuke, I'm sure we will be greeted by Karin trying to put some moves on Sasuke... yayyy?

At any rate, they will finally make it to Juugo's particular holding facility. As some mentioned... there will mostly likely be a fight. And I'm hoping it's Sasuke vs. Juugo. But who knows... a mini-team effort might be made by Karin and Suigetsu, to further show their abilities.

At chapters end... Juugo will join the group, or the fight will be just beginning (to be concluded next week)...
---

Far future prediction:
Imagine this scene...

Team Kakashi meets Team Sasuke.
Sasuke, still intent on breaking his bonds with Naruto and Sakura... Kisses Karin in front of them both. Sakura balls up a fist... releases it... and grabs Naruto, planting one on him in spite.

Sakura runs away... Naruto looks dumbfounded... and Sasuke looks apathetic. Ahh, but Karin, she knows... she finally sees how hollow that kiss was, and dicerns Sasuke's true feelings for Sakura.

Who knows... that might be fun. lol

Karma
March 31, 2007, 03:13 PM
Naruto would resume his training in spite of any news. well, we all know that, but he could think he has enough power to bring sasuke back and decided to pause is training for now. but after getting that news he might feel that Sasuke is very strong and Kakashi might think sasuke has gotten stronger than him as well. But i feel Kakashi and Naruto going to train together from now on and he going to try and work on Naruto speed.

You can just imagine Kakashi face when he heard that Orochimaru is defeated by sasuke. lol Jaraiya going to know that Orochimaru isn't gone and he going to tell Naruto that Orochimaru still inside of Sasuke waiting for the chance to take over is body. That will make Naruto train even harder..

ANBU4U
March 31, 2007, 04:10 PM
Or it could just be a bloodline limit that wasn't as appealing to Oro as the Sharingen. Something like Hakus. Someone said Juugo could be a Jirinchi. That might explain his switching prefernces if he's a guy, and has a female Biju, LOL.

I wonder if we'll see the team that Sasuke is assembling fight team 7. Naruto vs Sasuke, Sakura Vs Karin, Sai Vs Juugo, and Kakashi or Yamato vs Sugetsu.

It'd have to be the Yamato set up, if kakashi was there I see no reason why he wouldnt take a shot at sauske. squad lead- to squad lead.

I doubt it will happen though, if they go to konoah then their going to pick up Naruto, not to fight his team. I doubt abduction would be nessacary, especially if Sauske IS going against akatsuki. Naruto has to be sick of just waiting for them to come after him by now, he'll take any offer from sauske to go take the fight to them as a three for one. 1) Getting to fight back, 2) Keeping the majority of his friends away from harm, 3) Being near sauske enough to convience him to come back.....which he should have a decent shot at if they actually succeeded.

Sakura will be left behind again, she'll be livid.

Konoah wont be able to do shit, cuz they have no clue where akatsuki is, so they'll just send out hunter-nin to catch Suaske and Naruto. They'll get jacked if/when they catch up.

Tias
March 31, 2007, 05:07 PM
if team kakashi ever meets team sasuke(lol, wtf with ever? they will XD)

i see it like this

Sasuke vs Naruto

Suigetsu vs Sai

Karin vs Sakura

Juugo vs Kakashi


but this is the way easy to predeict idea....kishi just might spin it offin a totaly different direction, with sasuke taking on more then one or what not.......but this is either a mini arc, or a bigger arc intended for sasuke, for being gone in such a long time

ofudamaster
March 31, 2007, 05:50 PM
I'm gonna be really dumbfounded if 349 shows Naruto's reaction to the news that Sassuke took down Orochimaru.

I mean, come on guys, Suigetsu only told a bunch of prisoners in the middle of nowhere. It's going to be stupid if Naruto knows about it RIGHT after it happens.

Then again, Kishimoto's writing isn't nearly as strong as it was, so who knows. I hope that news doesn't reach Akatsuki/Konoha ears, at least until Sasuke gets his team together.

[QUOTE=matsyes;349466]I think juugo is a really messed up character, whats with the "i like guys ,no no girls " thing kishi is really going for yaoi stuff now a daysQUOTE]

Lol, Naruto's been pretty chock full of yaoi stuff since it started.

shachi
March 31, 2007, 06:12 PM
maybe juugo is like sakon/ukon. but. instead of 2 dudes, there is 1 dude and 1 girl.

moscovite999
March 31, 2007, 06:27 PM
I think the crusade of Sasuke will go on 1 or two chapters, the time to present the new characters and the aim of Sasuke. About the aim of Sasuke, surely to obtain some new treasure or a Bijuu to become stronger and stronge...
Why not...

thejackass98
March 31, 2007, 11:17 PM
wow what the hell happend to this site man... well here i go predict away... since jugo seems like he has a split personality i m sayin one maybe gay and one maybe straight. also like this ch. i dont think konoha or any other place will be seen exept the recruiting jugo thing and possible part of what sasuke's plan is.

juUnior
April 01, 2007, 05:08 AM
Like before, I predict that chapter will involve introducing new person - Juugo, to team Saske. That's all what I can think. Probably there will be no Naruto appearance also :x

Raimaru
April 01, 2007, 07:14 AM
I don't think there will be no Naruto appearance. I think it will be a short side-gag like last episode.
After introducing Sasuke's goal Kishimoto will continue with Naruto I think (or hope ...).

Black/Light
April 01, 2007, 04:30 PM
. . . .I thiihnk the neoow guyis just plaan crazy. . .
Should be fuun

Mendes
April 01, 2007, 05:11 PM
i think there will be lots of fight between sasuke's group. he'll probably do something about it and i think he'll use force to do it. we may see an even more impressive sasuke when he deals with his squad(just like kimimaro did with Sound 5)

Slayer6x
April 01, 2007, 05:34 PM
I agree that there will definitely be some fighting amongst Sasuke's group. They clearly don't like eachother very much. And, I wonder what's the deal with Karin and Suigetsu? It seems to me as if there is a bit more behind their relationship (or maybe I'm just reading too deep into things). Maybe we'll see more of that too. I'd really like to see more of Naruto's group (I guess we won't see more of them until word reaches Konoha that Sasuke killed Orochimaru), but Sasuke's storyline is, indeed, on a roll, so that's not very likely.

bigd
April 01, 2007, 06:26 PM
next time we'll see juugo or whatever his name is and I'll bet he'll be a freak...but a powerful freak, no idea what Sasuke plans to do with all of them but I doubt he plans to atack akatsuki.

Debu
April 02, 2007, 12:36 AM
I predict word *will* get back to Konoha. Sure, there weren't many prisoners, and sure it may not be the case any are from Konoha, but Oro being dead is *huge* news that will spread like crazy.

That they'll be spreading the word of Sasuke "spreading peace," I imagine he'll end up getting a big following from everyone Oro has wronged - the Sand may even pledge allegiance to him.

I could imagine two parallel threads to this upcoming chapter: 1. Recruiting Juugo, seeing how crazy he is, and revealing a bit more of Sasuke's plan; in so doing, I expect us to see Sasuke as one crazy, cold-hearted bastard himself. No nice guy there. 2. Naruto (and others) finding out Oro's dead, and being the optimist he is, he gathers his gear to go out and help his friend.

The thing is, we need Sasuke to be one crazy, misguided guy so that Naruto can work his ultimate friend no jutsu.

"Did you ever know that you're my rival? I am the Futon beneath your Katon"

razor
April 02, 2007, 07:09 AM
Prediction:-
1.Sasuke will make a full team consists of a man,a woman, and someone in between like juugo.lol.hahhahaha.ok,i'm done.
2.Then,more on sasuke.
3.Sasuke.
4.Akatsuki
5.naruto

ninetailfox84
April 02, 2007, 07:36 AM
as for the boy girl thing..maybe he likes fighting guys ..or girls, maybe it's not a sexual prefrence

hehe, the first person here to think the other way. The others just think perverted. Do naruto lover all perverted? :p

Logikl
April 02, 2007, 07:38 AM
They will pick up Juugo then start looking for Itachi... Karin will pine over Sasuke some more on the DL.... Naruto will start picking on Sakura for being a perv after getting caught sweating the Konohamaru jutsu...

lordHokage
April 02, 2007, 07:57 AM
well, we all know that, but he could think he has enough power to bring sasuke back and decided to pause is training for now. but after getting that news he might feel that Sasuke is very strong and Kakashi might think sasuke has gotten stronger than him as well. But i feel Kakashi and Naruto going to train together from now on and he going to try and work on Naruto speed.

You can just imagine Kakashi face when he heard that Orochimaru is defeated by sasuke. lol Jaraiya going to know that Orochimaru isn't gone and he going to tell Naruto that Orochimaru still inside of Sasuke waiting for the chance to take over is body. That will make Naruto train even harder..


Well, according to Yamato, Naruto is a new person. I think Naruto reaction to Sasuke victory will reveal how mature he actually is. Whoever informs Naruto on Orochimaru status, it would enhance his thrust to get stronger regardless of Sasuke

wit2x
April 02, 2007, 10:54 AM
i think there will be no more good news for naruto. the story is all about how great sasuke is. kishi will be replacing the title of naruto to sasuke. lols. :(

Mendes
April 02, 2007, 12:38 PM
i think there will be no more good news for naruto. the story is all about how great sasuke is. kishi will be replacing the title of naruto to sasuke. lols. :(

there's a reason the anime is called naruto. that's why i think there's still a lot to see from naruto. he must complete his training and start surprising us with true ninja skills instead of just finishing moves. its time for him to catch up to sasuke, by catching up to the 4th hokage. if so many ppl say naruto is similar to the 4th in skills and personality i think his next step will be acquiring the 4th super speed. he needs it to surprise sasuke's sharingaan, else he'll get owned

Logikl
April 02, 2007, 01:00 PM
if so many ppl say naruto is similar to the 4th in skills and personality i think his next step will be acquiring the 4th super speed. he needs it to surprise sasuke's sharingaan, else he'll get owned

**Off Topic** Well I agree, but he can take note from Gai... When he's fought Kakashi before , he just looks at his feet when fighting to avoid the Sharingan... But with using that tactic to neutralize the Sharingan and with the insane speed, he can own Sasuke...

Karma
April 02, 2007, 01:30 PM
there's a reason the anime is called naruto. that's why i think there's still a lot to see from naruto. he must complete his training and start surprising us with true ninja skills instead of just finishing moves. its time for him to catch up to sasuke, by catching up to the 4th hokage. if so many ppl say naruto is similar to the 4th in skills and personality i think his next step will be acquiring the 4th super speed. he needs it to surprise sasuke's sharingaan, else he'll get owned yup.. There is alot more to see from naruto.. I think every thing that the 4th Hokage could have done Naruto going to be able to do it and he might get the chance to complete all the half complete jutsu the 4th hokage had..

So i expect him to get the lighten speed so het be at equal level with Sasuke,Itachi, etc..

Plus that jutsu that Naruto made going to be completed and it going to be a jutsu that is able to throw given the user less risk..

Plus i expect naruto to know all of Jariaya Frog Jutsu.. Plus naruto should be able to use more than one element by the time he fight the AK leader..
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**Off Topic** Well I agree, but he can take note from Gai... When he's fought Kakashi before , he just looks at his feet when fighting to avoid the Sharingan... But with using that tactic to neutralize the Sharingan and with the insane speed, he can own Sasuke... Yea. but come on.. Kakashi and Itahi is 2 different people and Itachi is from a advance bloodline. we still haven't seen Itachi speed. that guy could be faster than Sasuke at this moment or on the same footing with Gai sensi. so imagine Gai fighting Itachi who is as fast as him..... you know Gai would lose because Itachi got is sharingan, plus a lot of Jutsu and he's strong as well.

Naruto might be fast already and since he got is KG bunshin he might be able to train with them so he could be faster.. But i don't think Naruto should train the same way Gai & lee does to get is speed. He have to activate is speed through training with Kakashi or Jariaya. Or its a pass down jutsu from the father to the son.
:D

MasterOdin
April 02, 2007, 01:48 PM
I predict that Sasuke will find the last member of his team. Then they will set out to capture Naruto to get his brother to come out after him. (Also, I predict that I will be happy once this arc start moving forward once Sasuke's plan is revealed. Right now it is just a bit too boring for my taste.)

badluckartist
April 02, 2007, 02:54 PM
I predict that Sasuke will find the last member of his team. Then they will set out to capture Naruto to get his brother to come out after him. (Also, I predict that I will be happy once this arc start moving forward once Sasuke's plan is revealed. Right now it is just a bit too boring for my taste.)

agreed. sasuke's going to find his next little crewmate, we'll learn some useless bit of info about said person {juugo}, then we'll have to wait another goddamn chapter to find out what sasuke is actually planning {which im guessing has to do with naruto}, next chapter will be itachi being lured via naruto as bait or something, insert massive awesome fight here {less boringness} with scattered flashbacks throughout {slightly boring, but insightful flashbacks}, then somebody dies. hopefully itachi.

run-on sentence MAX POWER Spirit Bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahem.

yeah, these last few chapters have been neat, what with the new characters and all, but i get the feeling we'll end up learning next to nothing about them before they die or leave the story : /

Amatsu-Tenshi
April 02, 2007, 03:25 PM
I could see Sasuke getting the platoon together to take on Team 7 to capture Naruto. Tehn using Naruto to draw Itachi out. W/e Happens I am sure it will be good.

Mendes
April 02, 2007, 03:26 PM
maybe its me but i dont dislike this kind of characters. i kinda like knowing about new characters and their personalities. i still wonder how sasuke will take the fight among the group and specially what is that plan of his

joer_the_sadist
April 02, 2007, 03:50 PM
...
"Did you ever know that you're my rival? I am the Futon beneath your Katon"

that's sweet. im tearing up right here.


though many of the predictions are leveled at reasonable, im sure the plot will change sooner for the best.

though i cant wait to see some real action.

I predict naruto will hear the news and feel somewhat useless, Sasuke and his gang will arrive at Kon. to display there "peace" and condem naruto as the weakest link. Naruto will have no choice but rely on himself again like he did when as a child.

GPZrag
April 02, 2007, 04:31 PM
that's sweet. im tearing up right here.


though many of the predictions are leveled at reasonable, im sure the plot will change sooner for the best.

though i cant wait to see some real action.

I predict naruto will hear the news and feel somewhat useless, Sasuke and his gang will arrive at Kon. to display there "peace" and condem naruto as the weakest link. Naruto will have no choice but rely on himself again like he did when as a child.

and after a few chapters he will own/pawn sasuke's ass as he did in the first part (that is not even willing to hurt him) :)

BubbleGumx
April 02, 2007, 05:14 PM
Hmm.. I think that they will be introducing Juugo in the next chapter, but the news of Sasuke defeating Oro will get to Konoha at the end if the chapter to leave it at a cliffhanger until the next chapter. They chapter will probably be all about meeting Juugo and getting him to join them... ARRGG I hate predicting I just want to read it NOW!!!! T__T

Saifi
April 02, 2007, 05:28 PM
i think ero gama sennin finds out the news bout oro thru his sources n then thinks that things are about to get messy ..... plus juggo recruitment

Holland
April 02, 2007, 07:52 PM
Sasuke will kill Jiraiya and show just how far he has fallen.......

I think he might go out jinchuuriki hunting, but I don't think it will be Naruto.

moscovite999
April 02, 2007, 08:49 PM
I think the next next character who will die will be Jiraya... After a great fight of course. For Naruto it will be a new trial to become stronger. In addition, Kishimoto can't keep all his characters until the end of the manga.

Karma
April 02, 2007, 08:57 PM
Sasuke will kill Jiraiya and show just how far he has fallen.......

I think he might go out jinchuuriki hunting, but I don't think it will be Naruto. I also think Jiraiya going to die as well. but he of to get killed by someone on the other side. its either the AK leader or the female person that is hidden as well. Or it could be sasuke who actually kill Jiriaya..

Holland
April 02, 2007, 09:44 PM
With Juugo's age, I hope to hear a reference or two of Sasuke's likeness to Uchiha Madara.

ninetailfox84
April 02, 2007, 10:28 PM
Why everyone predict jiraiya will die? Jiraiya will never die or this manga will collapse! ero sennin is the funniest character in naruto, and i think its a bad move for kishi to kill him off! :blink

badluckartist
April 02, 2007, 10:31 PM
we aren't going to hear anything about madara for dozens of chapters to come. the only characters that could know anything about him are the kyuubi, maybe itachi, and even more less likely, jiraiya.

jiraiya dying? when did that become an... anything? jiraiya hasnt even been seen in the last ... a lot of chapters, so that doesnt even seem plausible. although him being the next does seem kindof right, then perhaps tsunade {her life-span has decreased a few times because of that genesis-rebirth jutsu, and she is in her late 50's}... i wonder what would happen during that power struggle?? mass chaos in konoha! danzo reveals his true scheme! akatsuki strikes!! kyuubi is re-released!! sasuke becomes hokage {what a spit in the face to naruto!!!!!}!!!!!!!

i love this manga. the possibilities are endless :D

Saifi
April 02, 2007, 10:34 PM
i am srry but those of u saying jiraya dies at hands of sauske are fricking retarded ! IF jiraya dies its at the hands of akatsuki , plus there is no way sauske is killing NYone from konoha except itachi.

Holland
April 02, 2007, 10:52 PM
Earlier in the manga we heard Naruto tell Yamato that he had the right affinity, as wind is the only thing that can save a dying flame.....so Sasuke will fail. However, this does not change the fact that Jiraiya will fall to him. Uchiha Madara is the Akatsuki Leader. muhahahaha......muhahahaha....muhahaha....zzzz

Karma
April 03, 2007, 12:46 AM
i am srry but those of u saying jiraya dies at hands of sauske are fricking retarded ! IF jiraya dies its at the hands of akatsuki , plus there is no way sauske is killing NYone from konoha except itachi.
well, you forget that Orochimaru is inside of Sasuke and he might use Sasuke to kill Jiriaya to obtain the MS. since Jiriaya and Orochimaru is so close.

Plus everyone keep saying oh no! Not Jiriaya. But i only can see Jiriaya or Kakashi Dying. it might not happen soon, but it going to happen even if you love it or not Because one of to die in order to bring some happiness in naruto. some thing like that will push Naruto to train is self and go in a mode where he release the Kyuubi and realized that the kyuubi don't harm him only give him enough power to be unstoppable and it was some thing the 4th know why he had place it inside of naruto..

I would love to say Kakashi, but since is father died and there is no one from is bloodline still around i'll go with jiriaya. because there is still a sannin around. someone from Naruto team 7 going to die. either sasuke or Naruto..
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Earlier in the manga we heard Naruto tell Yamato that he had the right affinity, as wind is the only thing that can save a dying flame.....so Sasuke will fail. However, this does not change the fact that Jiraiya will fall to him. Uchiha Madara is the Akatsuki Leader. muhahahaha......muhahahaha....muhahaha....zzzz lol yeah. and the 4th hokage might have beaten the Uchiha madara and he release the kyuubi to destory the leaf village. Muahahahhaha. So now Naruto got to be the one to kill him....

But imagine Naruto having water as is next affinity. remember is water can help with sasuke lighten affinity. so naruto can boost sasuke... and naruto can cancel them out if he wan't to if its use against him.

jimm120
April 03, 2007, 12:54 AM
I predict that Sasuke will recruit Naruto...but only as a way of getting Akatsuki to get near him.

Also, word will spread that Sasuke killed Oro and that he will spread freedom and love and what-not to the world...and it will get to Konoha because of one of the captives.

It is nice to see that Sasuke isn't all grim and all. It is nice to see that he is just serious about his work.........but at the same time, it seems fairly obvious that he won't be spreading love all over the place. But I think Seugetsu did a good job at telling others to say that. Kinda like building up an unexpected moment later on.

Mendes
April 03, 2007, 04:04 AM
But I think Seugetsu did a good job at telling others to say that. Kinda like building up an unexpected moment later on.

ur right. it might come in handy and open him alot of doors. too many ppl hated oro and they may be helpful in some way to sasuke. i wonder if his plan has something to do with one or more of those orochimaru haters...

SnailBeast
April 03, 2007, 04:46 AM
Since we don`t know what`s he is doing I predict the one who will come to Konoha will b Kabuto.
And I wanna see an Konohan ambush near aruond Juugo`s Lair...
Just think `bout it:
kabuto was able to already come so it is possible.

Sephy7KillerMech
April 03, 2007, 04:58 AM
But imagine Naruto having water as is next affinity. remember is water can help with sasuke lighten affinity. so naruto can boost sasuke... and naruto can cancel them out if he wan't to if its use against him.

That probably won't happen. Most likely Naruto is going to have no second affinity or his second affinity will be neutral against both of Sasuke's elements. Also, if these three are supposed to be the 'replacement sannin' then if Jiraiya dies I can only imagine Tsunade will too.

Thirdly, if Sasuke = Orochimaru, then Sasuke will probably learn all of the elements.

if Naruto = Jiraiya, he will probably only learn 1 or MAYBE 2 elements... i'm betting on 1.

if Sakura = Tsunade... well Sakura DOES = Tsunade so yeah.... I do think that Sakura will learn high level Genjutsu though since it has been said she could become better than Tsunade. Really all we have seen with Tsunade is incredible physical power and incredible healing(also she can do other things that have to do with medical ninjutsu like messing with your electrical impulses and/or receptors). Genjutsu would be an incredibly usefull skill to a med-nin with a lot of stamina.

If this manga was HunterxHunter i might be with you on the Naruto boosting or canceling sasuke thing... and really you could argue that Sasuke can cancel Naruto ( he can shut down kyuubi even better than Yamato) and it would only be fair for Naruto to have a way to shut Sasuke down... but when has naruto every REALLY had the advantage? It's just not what the manga is about.

ferza
April 03, 2007, 05:35 AM
I predict that we will see how much of a freak is Jungo is!

Omi
April 03, 2007, 06:26 AM
I also think Jiraiya going to die as well. but he of to get killed by someone on the other side. its either the AK leader or the female person that is hidden as well. Or it could be sasuke who actually kill Jiriaya..

The only way I see Jiraiya dying in the manga is either out of old age or self sacrifice. Maybe Naruto gets captured and he dies rescuing him. But at Naruto's growth rate, I doubt that's going to happen.

Prediction: Konoha gets wind of Sasuke's myth. Naruto shows us he is healed, appears cheerful that Sasuke won but thinks to himself that Oro may have possessed Sasuke. Meanwhile, Team Oro arrives at the last base facing off against whomever guards Juugo.

ferza
April 03, 2007, 09:05 AM
It would be very foolish for Sasuke to match his team with Akatsuki. I believe what Sasuke will use the team to fight Itachi and Kisame. I predict that Sasuke will lure Naruto away from Konoha, and use him as bait to get Itachi and Kisame. Once, he got the pair to come after Naruto, thats when he's gonna challenge Itachi one on one, the rest of his team would be keeping Kisame away from their fight.

I think thats Sasuke's plan...because as mentioned before, Itachi has no interests in Sasuke what so ever...And since the Atsukuki has 3 bijuu left and naruto is one of them, they are definitely gonna hunt him especially having two of their members died at his hand...!

matsyes
April 03, 2007, 09:35 AM
Naruto shows us he is healed, appears cheerful that Sasuke won but thinks to himself that Oro may have possessed Sasuke. Meanwhile, Team Oro arrives at the last base facing off against whomever guards Juugo.

i dont think naruto is capable of deep enough thinking to consider that oro has possesed sasuke also note that lot of the prisoners have been freed. I think most of the chapter is going to be about the final member with naruto starting to train. Also we're gonna get a glimpse at why karin is "unique".

LoT
April 03, 2007, 10:34 AM
I predict that Sasuke will recruit Juugo and than he will tell his Team that they are going to Itachi and Kisame or Konoha ... ^^
After that there will be a little Time skip and you will see Naruto is training with Kakashi. They will train Narutos top Speed. Then Jiraiya apears and tell Naruto about Sasukes victory ... Cliffhanger

Sabrams
April 03, 2007, 10:48 AM
I predict that Sasuke will recruit Naruto...but only as a way of getting Akatsuki to get near him.


Recruit Naruto? That makes no sense! Why in the hell would he do such a thing? If Sasuke wants to strike against Akatsuki, he will find a way to do it without having Naruto around. Even insisting the idea that Sasuke would recruit Naruto is ridiculous. It's totally out of his character. Sasuke will have a strong 4 - man team he can use, without Naruto getting into the mix...

lordHokage
April 03, 2007, 10:58 AM
Recruit Naruto? That makes no sense! Why in the hell would he do such a thing? If Sasuke wants to strike against Akatsuki, he will find a way to do it without having Naruto around. Even insisting the idea that Sasuke would recruit Naruto is ridiculous. It's totally out of his character. Sasuke will have a strong 4 - man team he can use, without Naruto getting into the mix...


I completely agree. Keep in mind, Sasuke wants to prove that he is top dog.

yemsta
April 03, 2007, 12:15 PM
I completely agree. Keep in mind, Sasuke wants to prove that he is top dog.

I dont agree. I think that in these past few chapter sasuke has proven that he still has some compasion sp. and to be honest if you think about it there is he has not actually done one malicious act (that we know of since he has gone with orochimaru). When he met naruto he did not harm a hair on his head, he even helped in a way. All that bullshit about how he did not kill him on a whim in my opinion was acting.

Then he gets to the prison so to say in the last chapter and asks for all them to be released.

Now to my point: it is not out of the question that sasuke could ask for the help of naruto because that would be the easiest way to go about his business. Also he HAS not shown any hatred towards naruto and then therefore it is still possible for him to recruit him

Saifi
April 03, 2007, 12:59 PM
dude the notion that sauske recruiting naruto is not riddiculous because Sauske is an evil Homo, no..... i think what lord hokage and sebrams mean is that it would be out of character for sauske to have anything to do with naruto ! i mean he left the village mostly because he didnt want to be around naruto n co ! since it would kill his desire , plus naruto was getting stronger than him, and the whole walking off without killing naruto bit as well says that he may not have broken the bonds with him completely but hes still definately avoiding naruto like a plague, plus sauske is still the same old arrogant self that he was b4 he left konoha, he is not asking naruto for help no matter what !

badluckartist
April 03, 2007, 01:15 PM
dude the notion that sauske recruiting naruto is not riddiculous because Sauske is an evil Homo, no..... i think what lord hokage and sebrams mean is that it would be out of character for sauske to have anything to do with naruto ! i mean he left the village mostly because he didnt want to be around naruto n co ! since it would kill his desire , plus naruto was getting stronger than him, and the whole walking off without killing naruto bit as well says that he may not have broken the bonds with him completely but hes still definately avoiding naruto like a plague, plus sauske is still the same old arrogant self that he was b4 he left konoha, he is not asking naruto for help no matter what !

mostly agreed. sasuke mightve been acting when he was about to use "that jutsu," but he's never going to ask naruto for help...

no wait. lately with this damn manga, ive learned to not say never. it's almost like kishi researches the forums around the world, just to prove everyone wrong at the same time. i mean, just how often is anybody right about what's going to happen next? it's rediculous.

the only thing that's guaranteed to happen in the next chapter is the recruitment of juugo.

lordHokage
April 03, 2007, 01:35 PM
I dont agree. I think that in these past few chapter sasuke has proven that he still has some compasion sp. and to be honest if you think about it there is he has not actually done one malicious act (that we know of since he has gone with orochimaru). When he met naruto he did not harm a hair on his head, he even helped in a way. All that bullshit about how he did not kill him on a whim in my opinion was acting.

Then he gets to the prison so to say in the last chapter and asks for all them to be released.

Now to my point: it is not out of the question that sasuke could ask for the help of naruto because that would be the easiest way to go about his business. Also he HAS not shown any hatred towards naruto and then therefore it is still possible for him to recruit him


In last few chapters, Sasuke’s character has changed for the so-call good. He’s still the same old self-important individual. I hope this quest he’s pursuing leads him towards to a good old-fashioned beating, and maybe he would come to realized he needs wind element to make him strong.

Just to note, Sasuke is one of my favorite characters.
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dude the notion that sauske recruiting naruto is not riddiculous because Sauske is an evil Homo, no..... i think what lord hokage and sebrams mean is that it would be out of character for sauske to have anything to do with naruto ! i mean he left the village mostly because he didnt want to be around naruto n co ! since it would kill his desire , plus naruto was getting stronger than him, and the whole walking off without killing naruto bit as well says that he may not have broken the bonds with him completely but hes still definately avoiding naruto like a plague, plus sauske is still the same old arrogant self that he was b4 he left konoha, he is not asking naruto for help no matter what !


I completely agree. Sasuke has so much pride and that would lead to his downfall.

Cyber78
April 03, 2007, 02:31 PM
I don't know, I've never been sold on the whole "Sasuke is evil now" argument. He's just the same old self-absorbed, brooding kid he's always been. It's just being around Sakura and Naruto for that time got him distracted. Training with Orochimaru got his focus back on his only goal, killing Itachi. I also don't think he ever hated Naruto. When they 'reunited', he said that Naruto should have been training to become Hokage instead of chasing him. He also said that the reason he was attempting to kill him was simply 'on a whim', there never was any actual hatred expressed. However, I don't see Sasuke asking for Naruto's help. After their last encounter, he probably figures Naruto isn't strong enough to help him, if he was ever considering such a thing.

6thangel
April 03, 2007, 03:25 PM
I don't know, I've never been sold on the whole "Sasuke is evil now" argument. He's just the same old self-absorbed, brooding kid he's always been. It's just being around Sakura and Naruto for that time got him distracted. Training with Orochimaru got his focus back on his only goal, killing Itachi. I also don't think he ever hated Naruto. When they 'reunited', he said that Naruto should have been training to become Hokage instead of chasing him. He also said that the reason he was attempting to kill him was simply 'on a whim', there never was any actual hatred expressed. However, I don't see Sasuke asking for Naruto's help. After their last encounter, he probably figures Naruto isn't strong enough to help him, if he was ever considering such a thing.

I wouldn't say is evil either, just that he takes risks that are far to big and are not his to risk. If Naruto and team didn't slow his progress he would have been taken over immediately. Instead Sasuke had to count on getting extremely strong in the next 3 years which very well might not have happened. A huge risk with the lives of Konoha on the line. Everything didn't go as planned either with him just "taking over" and not being able to kill Oro, so you know it will come back sometime.

Sasuke would need to have no other choice before he came to Naruto for help. The thing that pushed him to leave was his extreme jealousy towards Naruto. I can't see him ever coming back to Naruto for help which would be him admitting that Naruto may be stronger then him and that Naruto was right, he never needed to leave Konoha to get what he wanted.

lordHokage
April 03, 2007, 04:26 PM
I wouldn't say is evil either, just that he takes risks that are far to big and are not his to risk. If Naruto and team didn't slow his progress he would have been taken over immediately. Instead Sasuke had to count on getting extremely strong in the next 3 years which very well might not have happened. A huge risk with the lives of Konoha on the line. Everything didn't go as planned either with him just "taking over" and not being able to kill Oro, so you know it will come back sometime.

Sasuke would need to have no other choice before he came to Naruto for help. The thing that pushed him to leave was his extreme jealousy towards Naruto. I can't see him ever coming back to Naruto for help which would be him admitting that Naruto may be stronger then him and that Naruto was right, he never needed to leave Konoha to get what he wanted.

I agree. Sasuke

Holland
April 03, 2007, 05:45 PM
Why is'nt Naruto using a kagebushin army to read scrolls at the jutsu factory...or where-ever it is that they keep them. Or just go to the library....zzzzzz

prediction: Sasuke kills every-body that anybody likes and they all work at the Jutsu Factory!

Omi
April 03, 2007, 05:48 PM
All this Sasuke Naruto talk has forced me to go into long term prediction mode:

Sasuke creates his team. They win a few battles and then face off against Itachi. They get owned then team Kakashi shows up. Naruto does a jutsu that scares Itachi and he flees. Leading to Sasuke feeling pathetic again and eventually challenging Naruto once more after recovering in Konoha.

I still believe this week is going to be more of Konoha than Juugo.

lordHokage
April 03, 2007, 06:32 PM
All this Sasuke Naruto talk has forced me to go into long term prediction mode:

Sasuke creates his team. They win a few battles and then face off against Itachi. They get owned then team Kakashi shows up. Naruto does a jutsu that scares Itachi and he flees. Leading to Sasuke feeling pathetic again and eventually challenging Naruto once more after recovering in Konoha.


According to the tea leaves, your long-term preditions could come true :woot

Holland
April 03, 2007, 10:54 PM
Sasuke is going to use Oro's jutsu and absorb Naruto. Then Naruto could still be hokage vicariously through Sasuke. Alls well that ends well.....zzz

Mammago
April 03, 2007, 10:56 PM
Actually recruiting Naruto may have been a possibility for Sasuke. It's just that these three have unique abilities he finds more desirable and useful than just pure power. The reason for not picking Naruto has nothing to do with Sasuke being arrogant or self absorbed. It's that he may believe Naruto doesn't have the mentality to do the job he has in mind. When they met again he saw that Naruto was still naive. For the game he's hunting, this just doesn't cut it.

As for a prediction. I think we may see some kind of mini scuffle with Juugo. Most likely Suigetsu. Sasuke will put a stop to it quickly, showing his power and letting everyone know who's in charge. By the end one of the released prisoners will turn out to be from Konoha and returns. They'll probably talking to family or old friends and mention everything about what happened with Sasuke and Orochimaru. I doubt it'll reach naruto just yet, but will get back to Tsunade.

Omi
April 03, 2007, 11:10 PM
The question which I have is how far are these bases? One to the North, another in the South another in East and the last in the West. It looks like they are long distances away from each other. I doubt its only been a few days. Kishi why do you love to confuse our perception of time so much.

wit2x
April 04, 2007, 12:29 AM
"there's a reason the anime is called naruto. that's why i think there's still a lot to see from naruto. he must complete his training and start surprising us with true ninja skills instead of just finishing moves. its time for him to catch up to sasuke, by catching up to the 4th hokage."
this is wat i thought b4, but i kinda think its not gonna happen. although i predict the ending fight will be between the kyuubi vs sasuke, i wonder how naruto would fit in. maybe it will be released once sasuke kills naruto. how sad. :(

blueangelx
April 04, 2007, 02:03 AM
haha i wonder why suigetsu stressed to the freed oro captives to tell people that sasuke is going to bring peace and stability to the world? i mean, i highly doubt sasuke told him to do anything like that... seems like suigetsu wants sasuke to be placed in a position directly opposing akatsuki rather than just against itachi... hmm...

jodi
April 04, 2007, 08:15 AM
I predict that Juugo won't want to help and will fight Sasuke & co.
Then, Sasuke will make him knee before him somehow, by doing that, he will get respect from Juugo and the other two as well.
But he will not hurt Juugo, it will be like he would say: "I don't want to fight you, if you don't want to come with me, then i will look for another."
Maybe this take two chapters.

blueangelx
April 04, 2007, 10:20 AM
why would sasuke make juugo knee before him? he doesnt need to impress the other two... karin is already smitten and suigetsu tested sasuke already... from sasuke's reaction to karin's initial refusal, it seems he has already considered the possibility that any of his chosen team-mates would refuse his invite. unless juugo attacks, sasuke wouldnt attack.

jodi
April 04, 2007, 12:05 PM
thats what I said
Juugo will attack sasuke & co
but Sasuke, alone will do something that will literally makes juugo knee before him

Ednometry
April 04, 2007, 02:05 PM
First off this didn't become” Sasuke The Manga”, this is just a story arch focusing on him for the moment. If you look back, the last arch focused on Naruto and his training since his encounter with Sasuke and Oro. During that Sasuke’s progress wasn’t followed. It culminated with Naruto developing a new jutsu and beating a member of Akatsuki to show his growth. Kishimoto only recently has swung back around to put the spotlight on Sasuke for a while probably because he knows fans want to see more of the pretty boy and what he's become. You guys who are in love with Sasuke should get a hold of yourselves; he is a cool character, but only a co-star… This isn’t “Legends of Konoha” it’s “Naruto”! Root for whom ever you want to but get that straight.

Sasuke has expressed that he has no real interest in killing anyone but Itachi. He didn’t kill all those Ninjas during his training or Kabuto after he defeated Oro. I don't think he would kill another person unless they got in his way, it furthered his goal or they forced him to do it. That being said, his trying to kill Naruto is not totally out of the question, but Naruto can't die PERIOD. It would be the end of the series, as others and myself have already stated the story is about Naruto hence the name. As far as who dies next, either another member of Akatsuki or Sai I would think. Sai is still on this learning to be a friend rift which may lead to a self sacrifice in some situation or another.

I agree that Sasuke is way too proud to recruit Naruto, and that he wants him out of the way. The Uchiha fight will be ONE on ONE. I think next chapter is meeting Juugo, news of Oro’s defeat reaching Konoha and/or Akatsuki, perhaps Akatsuki recognizing Sasuke as a threat and sending someone other than Itachi to deal with him. As far as Juugo fighting back, who knows, but so far Sasuke has shown he knows how to handle the people he’s recruiting. With Suigetsu he used a forceful and intimidating attitude because Suigetsu only seems to recognize power. With Karin he was willing to back off and leave her knowing she would be alone, he even used the words “I need you”… It seems like he’s learned Oro’s trick of making people feel useful under his command.

Another thing, time between and durring each issue isn’t necessarily the same, sometimes it’s few moments between or during an issue others it’s days. The Issue where they buried Asuma was days long, the Oro Sasuke fight happened in like 5 minutes over 3 or so issues…

deathshadow25
April 04, 2007, 02:49 PM
I think the two storylines will merge eventually, which I can't wait for. Naruto and Sasuke the last onfrontation

badluckartist
April 04, 2007, 03:10 PM
[QUOTE=Ednometry;353720]First off this didn't become

Karma
April 04, 2007, 03:26 PM
[QUOTE=Ednometry;353720]First off this didn't become

Ednometry
April 04, 2007, 05:46 PM
Damn dude. you are good. I like what you wrote. :D...
Thanks

And to BadLuckArtist...

The only reason I think it would be someone other than Itachi is that AL sees the group's goals as being more important than any individual goals or problems of it’s members. I think he would send someone who is better suited to deal with Sasuke and who could do so with no personal issues. Granted I don't think that Itachi would have any issues killing his brother but I don't think AL would order him to do so. Also I’m betting they have someone in their ranks who’s immune to the Sharingan’s effects, possibly blind and/or invisible. If you couldn’t see you wouldn’t be able to be caught with Genjutsu, and if even just your hands were invisible (and by that I mean not even a trace of chakra detectable as well) no one could see your seals in order to copy them, plus not all jutsus are copyable anyway (bloodlines, puppetry, specialized bodies or bodyparts like Diedara's hands). If Itachi is a willing member of the group there must be at least 1 or 2 of them that could mop the floor with him even with MS… They are all Heavy Hitters, S-Ranked Bingo book Badboys (and girls) and the MS is costing Itachi his sight… You're right it would drag out the story a bit but that would keep pace with what has already been happening. The fights that are the most important always take a while to get to and I don't think that Kishimoto would go from Sasuke Vs. Oro to Sasuke Vs. Itachi like that. There has to be another Akatsuki member for him to cut his teeth on first, or better yet to humble him a bit.

Who knows maybe somewhere in the hills there’s a blind old man by the name Uchiha Madara who’s got some lessons to teach them both about MS and what it truly means to be an Uchiha. I can’t believe that Kishimoto would bring up a name like that without explaining it sooner or later… Well see soon enough, it's about time for some confirmed spoilers for the next chapter... I need my fix X)

badluckartist
April 04, 2007, 06:51 PM
[QUOTE=Ednometry;353952]The only reason I think it would be someone other than Itachi is that AL see's the group's goals as being more important than any individual goals or problems of it

blueangelx
April 05, 2007, 06:21 AM
i know i know.. half of me wants to agree, but you have to remember that kishi doesnt always follow what is obviously the correct thing to do- remember when kakashi killed kakuzu? why the hell didnt they have him interrogated??


i was under the impression that naruto killed kakuzu with his awesome sickass damage-to-the-molecular-level wind rasengan. how kakuzu can talk after that... will need some real good healing jutsu...

Kusachu
April 05, 2007, 08:31 AM
I just want to see who goes to collect the rings. Kakuzu and Hidan's, plus the one Orochimaru had. I wonder if that will be tackled anytime in the near future... I wonder if the Leader even knows that two of his subordinates and Orochimaru are dead. I wonder if we've seen the last of Hidan too, since he'd have to be unearthed to get his ring. And holy crap can i get some Tobi??

Guh. I don't see these issues being resolved in any kind of quick manner, but that's fine with me. The current state of the manga is quite entertaining. XD

Panda
April 05, 2007, 09:08 AM
Considering that Sasuke's intention to "bring peace and order to the world" is true, and that the Akatsuki leader does in fact want to make a "better world for shinobi" by first "taking over the world". Im beginning to think that Akatsuki WILL SUCCEED to a satisfactory degree and Sasuke knowing their goal wants to help them to succeed so that once its achieved, he can have his revenge once Itachi is out of the Akatsuki's aegis.

ornis
April 05, 2007, 09:40 AM
Akatsuki would never let Itachi out from under its wing to me. And considering it an aegis is kind of interesting; I'm thinking there's a pact, a deep one between, Itachi and the Aka Leader and if Itachi fails the insurance will be Sasuke's tempered blood that has been boiling from the day he lost his father----All I can say is it's convenient that a boy who "defected" from his village runs headstrong toward the brother that severed his heart, his family bond, and as he seemingly runs carefully, he could just lose all perception of Itachi's best intent....

The clan seemed demonic to begin with; the clan could've used what Itachi did to feign freedom; but Itachi's not alone, not content, not a glorious freed being. He's working some anbu captain magic: he can join in the ranks of any elite team, seem like the greatest and still step back, obey another person's orders and seemingly lead nothing at all (the anbu squad belonged to the Hokage, anyway)----he's guarding a greater plan and the final goal of Akatsuki just has to do with Sasuke's rising demon, Naruto's seal, chakra, and jinchuriki potential, and the next best thing to a sealable all-powerful beast: one that doesn't die... one that couldn't bring sasuke any "regret," unless that beast... is what he will regret...

maideth
April 05, 2007, 10:10 AM
naruto owned an akatsuki member when the story was focused on him,tha't why i think that sasuke will probably fight with an akatsuki member
ofc he need to complete his group with juugo
i think we will know more about that cursed seal,sasuke now can see the kyuubi and it seems to have a sort of power to block it ,in naruto's mind (ofc i don't think he can suppress it);being a seal maybe jiraiya (master of the seal) could teach naruto how to counter that cursed seal

ornis
April 05, 2007, 11:29 AM
@ badluckartist:

Great analysis of Itachi's power... if you think about fire, it is the one thing that could take away all perception and give it back ... perhaps with regret. Temperature, heat, motion, energy.... Fire's got all that and the ability to pass them along (either to you, from you, or both). The reason I speak of fire when you mentioned genjutsu is because he's definitely proficient in the Katon arts, and the suggestive power of Fire really complements his genjutsu...

This is where I stop shy of agreeing with just the humbling action an Akatsuki member could give Sasuke...

There has to be another Akatsuki member for him to cut his teeth on first, or better yet to humble him a bit.



Ya know, I see your point. Sasuke needs a good slap right now.

I'm really leaning toward a user of water and chakra perception, with your thoughts about an anti-Sharingan Akatsuki member... the flower in that blue-haired member's locks seems delicate... a delicate touch perhap hints to a very detailed, methodical perception---who is she...?

Never would've considered her, thanks Ednometry.

Even so, it's likely she's a brilliant tool, not unlike Sasori--but as a water user, she wouldn't really shut down a fire as well as a fire could shut down itself... the Uchiha's fire failing against a stronger flame would really shame Sasuke. But if she used Katon that would suck to me, I'd rather have Itachi whip Sasuke and push him forth that last little inch... you know, "beyond the edge..." heck it might make Sasuke kill whoever tries to save him from the beating... because he'll blindly stab at Itachi... because he'd lose all perception when it comes to him... he'd be ruthless, but not by Sasuke's true choice... because Sasuke would be in one helluva "genjutsu..."

badluckartist, what a reeaally damn good point! :nuts

It'd be Sasuke's chance to kill Itachi, and Sasuke would probably cut through his own heart to do it, just like Itachi did. Sasuke will probably sever a friendly bond to kill Itachi and end up with MS, completely consumed, conpletely torn, as his "fleeing" brother flees again. Sheesh that would be heavy...

Then again, if the blue-haired member used Raiton... Ah, that would be a great way for Naruto to jump in and save Sasuke---then make him jealous and force a humbling face-off

Thanks again, Ednometry. Got me itching! :p

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@Karma:

Though I said all that stuff before, a different way to get MS would be nice. :p

I'm guessing Juugo will be an easy handle now.

I can see the CS being used.

If Sasuke seems to fail at first when he tries to manage Juugo, Sasuke will reveal
some great skill that makes Sasuke even more proud of his "leadership" ability. Like what Jodi mentioned:



Juugo will attack sasuke & co
but Sasuke, alone will do something that will literally makes juugo knee before him

However I see it as a plot device; it would still set him up for humility later on. Seems CS would be perfect to use here, Karma. :D

Taiki_Kazuma
April 05, 2007, 12:01 PM
... why can't sasuke develope MS when he lost is parents. its just like kakashi losing is best friend..
(I've noticed that A LOT of people don't know how to spell "his"....why is that?)

Kakashi did not gain MS because he lost his "friend" (I don't think he was his best friend....just a really really good one that he will remember always.) He gained the Sharingan at level 2.


Now my 2 cents on what the levels of sharingan mean:

Sasuke gained level 1 Sharingan because: of his struggle for HIS life. The will to live.

Sasuke gained level 2 Sharingan because: of his self-sacrifice for his friend. Putting his friends before himself. To Protect the things you love.

(Note: Level 2 is the level Kakshi received the Sharingan. His friend was willing to sacrifice himself for his friend--his love.)

Sasuke gained level 3 Sharingan because: The absolute resolution to fight for a greater cause.
For Sasuke, this was exhibited by not going back to Konoho to fullfil his great duty that is on his heart. The williness to forsake all for ones goals.

----

Now the MS. This is the forbidden eye of the Sharingan. It hurts it's user and is gained by killing yourself, so to speak.

The user gains this by killing his best friend. So this means that the user must betray himself and the msot precious thing in his life....his greatest bond.

Parents do not count as someones greatest bond. Sasuke did not fight side by side with his parents....
This great bond is only made by bleeding for the other person and having the other person bleed for you...

Sasuke and Naruto fit this category.
Itachi and his best friend fit this category.
Kakashi and ???? o.O >.>...O.o Capser fit this category.


Kakashi either found a new way to get this eye or:

To gain MS you must be willing to destroy the person you live for...you must be willing to betray yourself...your heart.

The MS is a very evil thing that is only gained by destroying yourself...

I do not know how Kakashi gained it. But I'm sure we'll find out later.

==========

Well that's my thoughts on how someone gains the Sharingan levels. I could be WAY off. But I'd like to think I'm right ^_^

(yes this was completely random and off topic.........oh wait it wasn't off topic.

People keep on saying Sasuke gained MS...I'm sorry this is an impossibility at this point in time. That would make Sasuke god, so to speak. I believe Sasuke will gain it when both himself and Naruto fight Itachi or AL)

ornis
April 05, 2007, 12:41 PM
Good analysis. I always thought MS was gained by killing your best friend, but in that sense, by killing anything that you would protect, not just a physical person. It's like you stated:




To gain MS you must be willing to destroy the person you live for...you must be willing to betray yourself...your heart.



The matter of one's heart can be a terrible subject. In fact Sasuke's so tied to the past, if he betrayed his goals now, hated himself for doing it later, then suddenly witnessed Itachi die at someone elses hands... I can see his pride reaching such a degree, that his purpose fades and he gains MS because he became envious of the one who finished "that man." This really changes my viewpoint of Sasuke hating Itachi and no one else. How many ways are there to attempt and complete suicide?

Holland
April 05, 2007, 01:46 PM
Kakashi's MS is different...It's not genjutsu and its's weaker because of his chakra capacity. So it is as close to a "copy" as he could get after having seen it. Not because of any loss.

Dxl
April 05, 2007, 02:26 PM
hm is that really true that the MS makes you gradually blind? well, however .. i think there are more ways to get the MS and each way got his own kind of MS.

Raimaru
April 05, 2007, 02:58 PM
hm is that really true that the MS makes you gradually blind? well, however .. i think there are more ways to get the MS and each way got his own kind of MS.
I consider MS as a kind of "overdrive" of the normal Sharingan, since it something like a spinning wheel by itself xD

I definetly think Kakashi obtained his MS in a different way than Itachi and I hope we will see how he did in a few chapters.

Ednometry
April 05, 2007, 10:06 PM
but you have to remember that kishi doesnt always follow what is obviously the correct thing to do

Sorry dude, but this is Kishimoto's universe. Whatever he chooses to do with it, is the correct thing. We may not like what he does, or agree, but it's his story to do whatever he wants with and only he (and maybe some people working with him) knows where this is ultimately going.


...remember when kakashi killed kakuzu? why the hell didnt they have him interrogated??

1. The village Interrogation Specialist (the guy who gave the written part of the chunnin exam) was already interrogating the Bounty Clerk with whom Kakuzu and Hidan were so chummy.

2. Kakuzu was far too dangerous and there was no telling how badly injured he actually was or if he had any sort of strange recovery abilities. Better to have killed him while they had the chance considering he was more than up to the task of killing everyone there while he was healthy.

3. There was no guarantee that he would have talked and if he did, he wouldn't necessarily tell the truth.


...looking down or closing your eyes doesnt seem to work

Yes it does, that's why Asuma and Kurenai weren't affected by the Tsukiyomi jutsu that Itachi used on Kakashi. It's just that we haven't met a character who could actually fight with their eyes closed (except for Rock Lee when he's sleep-fighting =), what a guy!!!) but a blind one could.


it appears that part of itachi's genjutsu involves powerful suggestion (see when he used it on sasuke first). also remember that (at least itachi's) genjutsu involves not just sense of sight, but sense of perception and judgement (and presumably smell, taste, hearing) and especially that of feeling (see after he used it on kakashi). i know he had to make eye contact for that one, but who's to say itachi isnt capable of performing that last jutsu without eye contact (allegedly he has one more ms jutsu, susanoo, which would probably end up being a taijutsu), or some other technique.

In one of the filler archs of the anime (I survived it all) Genjutsu was thoroughly explained. You are correct it does affect all the senses. It does so by manipulating and controlling the chakra flowing through the brain of the victim. In order to do so, the user's chakra must be injected into the chakra system of the victim, it can be transmitted through any of senses to do so, but the MS is a Doujutsu (eye-jutsu). You have to look into his eyes or his ring which seems to mimic his eyes. I think that anything that MS can do would have to be eye based. Amaratsu (the black fire) burns what he's looking at and can not be extinguished. Tsukiyomi is the ultimate genjutsu, bending time and space in the users mind. Both involve the users eyes. I think it would be a bit of a stretch to believe that there's a MS jutsu that doesn't involve using his eyes (hence there being a MS Taijutsu short of pulling your eyeballs out and using them as a bola would highly unlikely) but that's just my opinion based on what I've seen and read...

And why does everyone think that the rings are so important I don't remember anywhere in the manga where the AL orders anyone to retrieve rings. He did send Zetsu to dispose of those bodies because it was his technique that made them into copies of Itachi and Kisame. Don't suppose he wants that he wants that jutsu spreading around...

Panda
I think that the only reason Suigetsu said that was to bring Sasuke attention, what kind I'm not sure. Sasuke's only stated intension is the death of his brother and the re-establishment of his clan. Also Akatsuki doesn't offer it's members protection, they don't need it. If they fall it's because they are weak and they will be replaced simple as that. AL doesn't give a rat's a$$ about any of the members, just the ultimate goal... He may step in if the loss of a member would hinder that goal but otherwise they are all pretty much on their own. They are all so powerful they fight over who gets to kill a target!!! Each one seems like they could easily destroy a whole village. We've seen 3 so far that have exhibited one form of immortality or another (Kakuzu, Hidan, Sasori) and that's not even counting Oro as an ex-member (he'd make 4).

DarkManSharingan32
April 05, 2007, 10:45 PM
Alright, this particular conversation has gone on long enough...
I know the manga will be out soon, and so the limits of conversation have somewhat been reached... But you must all remember that this is still a Prediction section... not anything related to the MS, and honestly not even Sasuke's sexual orientation.

From this post onward, i would have you all to continue to PREDICT.
Lookie, i'll start,
---

Jiraiya will rise up as conspirator, and will be seen as even more evil than Orochimaru.
Whoaaaa.

myth0logy
April 05, 2007, 10:50 PM
(I've noticed that A LOT of people don't know how to spell
He [Kakashi] gained the Sharingan at level 2.



no, when his friend oberto is trapped under the tree, you can CLEARLY see that his sharingan looks just like Sasuke's when he was fighting the ice mirror guy.

otherwise, I just think we're gonna see a few more chapters of sasuke wandering around the landscape in a stupidly small ammount of time (it'd take about a day or so to get from one of these places to another, and it DOES look like they are taking thier time and slowly walking)

badluckartist
April 05, 2007, 11:24 PM
@ornis

thanks for the kudos :P

@ednometry

i never said i dont respect kishi or like his style and story, he's my favorite artist/mangaka. it's just that sometimes he does things in the manga that make me think, "damn, he's going to regret that later when he tries to branch off that idea"

about the kakuzu thing, i get your point, and agree. congrats on winning me there :P

on itachi's ms, i didnt say he wouldnt use his eyes in some way for said theoretical taijutsu, i meant that the technique itself will probably be doujutsu based, yet physical in nature; like his eyes emitting a field that pressures down on the opponent and gives off an illusion of itachi himself becoming stronger physically, yet still retaining sharingan-like properties so it can be classified as both. kishi's insanely creative- he could pull off something like that. kakashi didnt have to fight him with the sharingan, and he didnt really accomplish much by doing so- he lost to the ms utterly and left his comrads wide open- they were better off fleeing. so either that event was done to further advance the story (although he'd already used it on sasuke twice, once in a flashback), to set up a future event (like [theoretically] explaining how kakashi acquired his version of ms), or because like i said, it's a highly suggestive jutsu that occurs even against the opponents will (to look away or down).

i dont really follow the anime, it's crazy made-up jutsu's, or the {crap} fillers. i based my ideas on what ive seen from the manga only, it's just coincidental that it aligns with whatever i dont know about the fillers.

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::edit::
the rings have to have some sort of significance- deidara didnt give a crap about his arm- he seemed fairly concerned with that ring. and i dont think oro carried around his dismembered hand so he could use it as a paperweight. oh, and itachi using genjutsu through his ring? all of these things sound important to me, just unknown, like the rest of this damn manga :)

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Dxl
April 06, 2007, 05:51 AM
We've seen 3 so far that have exhibited one form of immortality or another (Kakuzu, Hidan, Sasori) and that's not even counting Oro as an ex-member (he'd make 4).

hehe, but all of them are dead now :)

LoT
April 06, 2007, 07:42 AM
[Post about the Sharingan]
IMO Obito gained the MS!

Itachi gained the MS for killing his best Friend ... We can call that MS "The Evil MS"
Maybe the Kakashi MS is in truth the Obito MS, because it was gained when Obito sacrificed himself to rescue Kakashi (not killing bestfirend. Saveing the best friend) ... And because of Kakashis didn't know anything about the MS he couldn't activated it. But Itachi came to Konoha and used the "Evil MS" against Kakashi ... after that experience Kakashi informed about the MS and saw the paragraph "An Uchiha gain 2 different sorts of the MS. One by Killing the best Friend and another by saveing the best friend"

And in the Timeskip Kakashi trained to activated it ... "The good MS"!

Aust
April 06, 2007, 10:48 AM
This may be right...two kind of MS...we`ll see soon...

Ednometry
April 06, 2007, 11:14 AM
Uh, the theory sounds good and all but what would be the point of gaining MS if you had to kill yourself to do it??? How would a dead or dying man gain from that. The transplant that Rin did for Obito and Kakashi was an unusual thing I would think or else there would be a bunch of Uchiha knock-offs running around...

laughing@you
April 06, 2007, 12:40 PM
IMO Obito gained the MS!

Itachi gained the MS for killing his best Friend ... We can call that MS "The Evil MS"
Maybe the Kakashi MS is in truth the Obito MS, because it was gained when Obito sacrificed himself to rescue Kakashi (not killing bestfirend. Saveing the best friend) ... And because of Kakashis didn't know anything about the MS he couldn't activated it. But Itachi came to Konoha and used the "Evil MS" against Kakashi ... after that experience Kakashi informed about the MS and saw the paragraph "An Uchiha gain 2 different sorts of the MS. One by Killing the best Friend and another by saveing the best friend"

And in the Timeskip Kakashi trained to activated it ... "The good MS"!

:offtopic How can obito have the MS if he only had a two doted sharingan, that was recently activated?

I think that kakashi just spent 2 years pumping enough chakra into that eye that evolved.

Those are my 2 cents.

@Ednometry
Uh, the theory sounds good and all but what would be the point of gaining MS if you had to kill yourself to do it??? How would a dead or dying man gain from that. The transplant that Rin did for Obito and Kakashi was an unusual thing I would think or else there would be a bunch of Uchiha knock-offs running around...

Its not unusual, take the Hyuga family, they have seals in place on their entire family so the Byakugan doesn't fall under other ppls hands. Meaning that the hyuga family eyes can be transplanted on to other shinobis if seal wasn't in place. I bet that kakashi would have taken a lot heat for having that eye, if it wasn't that the uchiha clan wasn't decimated.

bax
April 06, 2007, 12:54 PM
The chapter is out!! Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11213)

Go on with the discussions :amuse

Aust
April 06, 2007, 01:56 PM
I think of it and that is what I think:
Itachi kill his own friend for MS.
Kakashi develop how to posses MS without killing friend.
Sasuke has Sharingan with power equal MS and he dosen`t need MS. <===that is stupid but when we see what he can do with his 3 dot Sharingan we can tell this. ;)

I know something in my post is stupid and funny.

laughing@you
April 06, 2007, 01:57 PM
Excellent juugo its the source of the curse seal!!!

Kishimoto is really giving us the info on basically all the mysteries!!

Sasuke is really a badass....he just took out a CS2 user with only one swing!!!

ForteAnly
April 06, 2007, 02:04 PM
Excellent juugo its the source of the curse seal!!!

Kishimoto is really giving us the info on basically all the mysteries!!

Sasuke is really a badass....he just took out a CS2 user with only one swing!!!

Yeah, I agree with you there Sasuke has become a super badass now. That Kishimoto really does love Sasuke.

Karma
April 06, 2007, 02:14 PM
Excellent juugo its the source of the curse seal!!!

Kishimoto is really giving us the info on basically all the mysteries!!

Sasuke is really a badass....he just took out a CS2 user with only one swing!!! come on here.. there is different type of curse seals and all curse seal which is different got different type of Cs2.. Kinnimaro Cs2 isn't as powerful as sasuke own.. why? Because sasuke Cs2 is the best curse seal to be given to anyone. Plus he trianed by a sannin. who actually know how to kill Cs2 with ease. SO sasuke knows how to kill them with out going Cs2. But when he's about to fight Naruto or Itachi etc. he going go Cs2. because Naruto going to be a lot more faster by that fight to happen. and we all know Itachi is on a whole other level when it comes to fighting..

Lex21
April 06, 2007, 02:20 PM
Hmm so Juugo's body gave Orochimaru the materials in which he could then use to create these seals; so the CS, It wasn't something Oro could take back from Sasuke once he gave it to him.
Anyways, it doesn't seem that Sasuke killed the escaped prisoner.
He slashed his arms, legs and torso to incapacitate him. And Juugo’s the boy-girl talk wasn't about his sexuality, he was trying to decide which he liked to kill more heh

Saifi
April 06, 2007, 02:21 PM
umm... so the guy who sauske slashed up was not juggo was he ?

hitokugutsu
April 06, 2007, 02:31 PM
come on here.. there is different type of curse seals and all curse seal which is different got different type of Cs2.. Kinnimaro Cs2 isn't as powerful as sasuke own.. why? Because sasuke Cs2 is the best curse seal to be given to anyone. Plus he trianed by a sannin. who actually know how to kill Cs2 with ease. SO sasuke knows how to kill them with out going Cs2. But when he's about to fight Naruto or Itachi etc. he going go Cs2. because Naruto going to be a lot more faster by that fight to happen. and we all know Itachi is on a whole other level when it comes to fighting..

Umm Kimimaro's CS is equal in power as Sasuke's CS. Oro said it himself. Sasuke has the Cursed Seal of Heaven, while Kimi has the Cursed Seal of Earth.
And what do you mean by Oro knows how to kill CS lv2?? Sasuke was just way stronger then that guy so he didnt have to go CS

Anyway I'm hoping to get answers in the shapes that the CS are taking. I still dont believe it is coincidence that Sasuke CS has the same form as a sharingan. (I know Anko also has the same CS as Sasuke, but I'm hoping for a reasonable explenation by Kishi)

kyubisharingan
April 06, 2007, 02:35 PM
whoa....so juugo is the source of the curse seal.....maybe anko knows something about juugo as well. anyway, man this is getting intense. Sasuke is very strong(as if i didnt know that by how he defeated Oro). but now....he is cool.... i cant wait to see juugo.

laughing@you
April 06, 2007, 02:53 PM
come on here.. there is different type of curse seals and all curse seal which is different got different type of Cs2.. Kinnimaro Cs2 isn't as powerful as sasuke own.. why? Because sasuke Cs2 is the best curse seal to be given to anyone. Plus he trianed by a sannin. who actually know how to kill Cs2 with ease. SO sasuke knows how to kill them with out going Cs2. But when he's about to fight Naruto or Itachi etc. he going go Cs2. because Naruto going to be a lot more faster by that fight to happen. and we all know Itachi is on a whole other level when it comes to fighting..

Best CS? it depends on the user. Kimimaru beat the crap out the sound 4 and they had the CS. It really depends on the user. The guy that came after them was clearly a badass by killing everyone in its way it seems, until sasuke sliced and diced him with one swing. Hell he didn't even used his CS.

In addition I found so funny when Suigetsu comment about Juugo going to orochimaru out of his own free will, that really shows how crazy he is. The look on Sasuke's face is just priceless!!!! Like I wonder if he thinks i'm crazy!!?!?!?lol

Holland
April 06, 2007, 03:09 PM
The CS's power always seems to reflect directly of the users own power....or rather...their will.

juUnior
April 06, 2007, 03:12 PM
whoa....so juugo is the source of the curse seal.....maybe anko knows something about juugo as well. anyway, man this is getting intense. Sasuke is very strong(as if i didnt know that by how he defeated Oro). but now....he is cool.... i cant wait to see juugo.
hehe my thoughts exactly :D

Firstly of this arc I thought: its not very interesting. But after seeing and reading 339 ch. it just must to see :D Finally some info probably will be on CS ^^ Another mystery solve :x And that fast movement of Saske deafting that freak CS2 :D And last panel with Juugo, he resembles L even more ;p

btw. I cant wait for another chapter with color cover xDxD

btw2. I also cant wait for more info on CS hehe xDxD

6thangel
April 06, 2007, 03:23 PM
Killing someone in curse seal 2 is nothing special. Considering that Naruto's team beat cs2 people before the time skip and after the three years could destroy them as fast as Sasuke.

A lot of indirect shots at Sasuke here. Suigetsu comments about how stupid you have to be to go to Oro willingly and then Karin tells us bad stuff about the curse seal and Sasuke looks away.

I really like Suigetsu now. His attitude and the plans of his own have won me over.

SilveryShadows
April 06, 2007, 03:34 PM
Don't know if this was mentioned yet or not, but that guy who got slashed by Sasuke's sword has similar hand wings as Sasuke.

Crazy theory: Juugo is the or is related to Akatsuki Leader. Yes/no?

body flicker
April 06, 2007, 03:39 PM
Killing someone in curse seal 2 is nothing special. Considering that Naruto's team beat cs2 people before the time skip and after the three years could destroy them as fast as Sasuke.

A lot of indirect shots at Sasuke here. Suigetsu comments about how stupid you have to be to go to Oro willingly and then Karin tells us bad stuff about the curse seal and Sasuke looks away.

I really like Suigetsu now. His attitude and the plans of his own have won me over.

and all of them were close to death after the fight and even now im pretty sure none of them could do it as fast as sasuke just did...except for probably neji but after a little trial and error.

oh and naruto could have done it fast but he would of had to use his biggest trump card

Uchiha Slayer
April 06, 2007, 03:41 PM
Killing someone in curse seal 2 is nothing special. Considering that Naruto's team beat cs2 people before the time skip and after the three years could destroy them as fast as Sasuke.

A lot of indirect shots at Sasuke here. Suigetsu comments about how stupid you have to be to go to Oro willingly and then Karin tells us bad stuff about the curse seal and Sasuke looks away.

I really like Suigetsu now. His attitude and the plans of his own have won me over.


I fill the same way. I couldnt said no better. But, I'm just so amazed about this Juugo the creator of the CS! I mean how long have we seen theorys and speculation talk about the CS. This chapter was the answer to a long debated question. This is one the best informative chapters hands down we have seen this year! Wow, I'm still blown out the waters about this chapter. Oh yeah, Sasuke speed is insane. We knew sasuke was fast but damn he kill that CS2 guy with one swipe. I just in awe from this chapter.

For some weird reason I think Juugo and Sasuke will have some kinda connection. Both of them where some head cases before going the Orochimaru and both of them went to Orochimaru on their on will. Just a superb chapter. so excited!!!

laughing@you
April 06, 2007, 03:43 PM
I'm really amazed at orochimaru's plans. Geezs!! The guy really knows how to move and develop. Secret bases, created a village, almost an army of killer shinobi's. Retarded people that followed him for power!! :P You know what I mean!!

CS2 ppl are really strong. (Tired) Konoha Jounin level shinobi's were almost killed by CS2 users :P The naruto gang manage to beat them by a hair and help. To eliminate a CS2 without breaking a sweat thats something else. Sasuke cannot be downplayed saying killing CS2 users are nothing special. They are strong.

Urazz
April 06, 2007, 04:13 PM
I'm really amazed at orochimaru's plans. Geezs!! The guy really knows how to move and develop. Secret bases, created a village, almost an army of killer shinobi's. Retarded people that followed him for power!! :P You know what I mean!!

CS2 ppl are really strong. (Tired) Konoha Jounin level shinobi's were almost killed by CS2 users :P The naruto gang manage to beat them by a hair and help. To eliminate a CS2 without breaking a sweat thats something else. Sasuke cannot be downplayed saying killing CS2 users are nothing special. They are strong.
Actually just cause that guy was strong enough to survive getting the CS2 doesn't really mean anything. For all we know he could've just been a civilian or a low level ninja.

mars0103
April 06, 2007, 04:31 PM
just read the chapter it looks like the manga is final going to do one of the old relations the good and evil twin. juugo is problerly narutos twins. Makes senses because when naruto becomes angery naruto becomes the kyuubi and gos on the rampage.

Magical Poof
April 06, 2007, 04:33 PM
Huh. I think it's interesting that they didn't know that Sasuke came to Orochimaru of his own free will. Or least, Suigetsu doesn't, or he wouldn't have said that Juugo was crazy/retarded for going to Orochimaru. I was kinda under the impression that a lot of people came to Orochimaru of their free will, but I guess that it's not that many...

The idea of the curse seal having some from an enzyme really suprised me, though... I thought it was just some crazy chakra thing Orochimaru had done. Huh. Kinda cool. Juugo looks pretty good, from what we can see of his face. XD I guess he really wasn't debating whether he was gay or straight.

On another note, fangirlish squeals directed towards Sasuke slicing that Level 2 Curse Seal guy ^_^;


@mars0103: Errr... I don't think Naruto's rages have anything to do with that. Juugo was born with enzyme that makes him go crazy. Naruto get gets angry and happens to have the Kyuubi in him, which gives him uber powers that he can't contol... Big difference. By your logic Narto and Gaara would be twins, too. >_>

bighawke5
April 06, 2007, 04:57 PM
umm... so the guy who sauske slashed up was not juggo was he ?

no that guy wasn't juugo...juugo was the last guy they showed on the last page looking at us.
K GUYS STOP THE NONSENSE..U GUYS KNOW BETTER AND R MORE knowledgeable than this..........
thats why i think all of u guys here are overstating sasuke's strength. i mean i get it that guys he killed was cs2 but if i remember correctly some ppl yesterday on this forum seemed to be going against my idea saying that the sound four were nothin since they barely killed genins or the other way around(not jounins as someone miscorrectly said above)...lol i finally came to that conclusion also stating that out of their group only kimimaro was at the level sasuke's at now (plus his advantage wit the sharingan). anyhow on to the point
why do u guys believe that this was such a feat (killing that cs2 noname user) i mean the sound four were using cs2 also right and were killed by genins. and u might say yea but not with one hit K.O's but these genins(shikamaru and others) are now chunnins and jounins (some) so yeah they could take care of cs2 users like that guy (although not as good as sasuke) that was killed by sasuke just now.

all i'm saying is that at the level sasuke's at right now its noting new since we all knew he would at least come out as strong as kimimaro was but he has the sharingan advantage so he was the potential to be better. and u guys gotta understand that not all cursed seals are strong....only the earth and Heavens cursed seals are considered the strongest and were owned by sasuke(heavens) kimimaro(earth) and anko(heavens seal)>>>>fact look it up on google (google:the strongest cursed seals)

if that guys that just died was kimimaro's caliber i would expect u guys to be acting as u r now but not with someguy thats not even as good as kimimaro i mean cmon guys u guys know better. again this aint a feat!!! that guys was at the level of the sound four to be certain..jeez

ps:all this wasn't meant for saifi, i was just using ur quote to sum up my point, dont take it the wrong way.

body flicker
April 06, 2007, 05:38 PM
no that guy wasn't juugo...juugo was the last guy they showed on the last page looking at us.
K GUYS STOP THE NONSENSE..U GUYS KNOW BETTER AND R MORE knowledgeable than this..........
thats why i think all of u guys here are overstating sasuke's strength. i mean i get it that guys he killed was cs2 but if i remember correctly some ppl yesterday on this forum seemed to be going against my idea saying that the sound four were nothin since they barely killed genins or the other way around(not jounins as someone miscorrectly said above)...lol i finally came to that conclusion also stating that out of their group only kimimaro was at the level sasuke's at now (plus his advantage wit the sharingan). anyhow on to the point
why do u guys believe that this was such a feat (killing that cs2 noname user) i mean the sound four were using cs2 also right and were killed by genins. and u might say yea but not with one hit K.O's but these genins(shikamaru and others) are now chunnins and jounins (some) so yeah they could take care of cs2 users like that guy (although not as good as sasuke) that was killed by sasuke just now.

all i'm saying is that at the level sasuke's at right now its noting new since we all knew he would at least come out as strong as kimimaro was but he has the sharingan advantage so he was the potential to be better. and u guys gotta understand that not all cursed seals are strong....only the earth and Heavens cursed seals are considered the strongest and were owned by sasuke(heavens) kimimaro(earth) and anko(heavens seal)>>>>fact look it up on google (google:the strongest cursed seals)

if that guys that just died was kimimaro's caliber i would expect u guys to be acting as u r now but not with someguy thats not even as good as kimimaro i mean cmon guys u guys know better. again this aint a feat!!! that guys was at the level of the sound four to be certain..jeez

ps:all this wasn't meant for saifi, i was just using ur quote to sum up my point, dont take it the wrong way.

why do you think sasuke is at kimimaro level ? why can't he be stronger than him

badluckartist
April 06, 2007, 06:05 PM
sasuke is at least AROUND kimimaro's level. kimimaro took on rock lee AND gaara, and only lost because of his terminal illness.
::edit::
sasuke might be more powerful, solely because of the sharingan and his kusanagi variation, both of which kimimaro didnt have.
::endit::


@bighawke5
you say it like the sound4 lost to normal genin- they didnt. the rookie 9, specifically those that fought the sound4, were probably the best of the best genin (besides shino :P). most of those fights were only won because the sand siblings intervened and saved them at the last second (gaara saved lee, kankuro saved kiba, and temari saved shikamaru; neji won because he was probably the most powerful genin at the time, and chouji won because he used his super awesome akimichi soldier pills). the cs2 sound nin were all incredibly strong, jounin level shinobi. i dont care if the noname guy was a low level nin, he was cs2. slashing him down with one invisible strike was pretty damn crazy.

that scene was there PURELY to show that sasuke has everything so completely under control, that even juugo wont have a chance against him, and that sasuke is the complete leader.

on to suigetsu... yeah, i agree with whomever said he was getting cooler. im starting to like him too. id get tired after lugging around that huge sword too :P overall, the chapter was better than i expected. kudos to kishi :)

manga_freaky
April 06, 2007, 06:07 PM
no that guy wasn't juugo...juugo was the last guy they showed on the last page looking at us.
K GUYS STOP THE NONSENSE..U GUYS KNOW BETTER AND R MORE knowledgeable than this..........
thats why i think all of u guys here are overstating sasuke's strength. i mean i get it that guys he killed was cs2 but if i remember correctly some ppl yesterday on this forum seemed to be going against my idea saying that the sound four were nothin since they barely killed genins or the other way around(not jounins as someone miscorrectly said above)...lol i finally came to that conclusion also stating that out of their group only kimimaro was at the level sasuke's at now (plus his advantage wit the sharingan). anyhow on to the point
why do u guys believe that this was such a feat (killing that cs2 noname user) i mean the sound four were using cs2 also right and were killed by genins. and u might say yea but not with one hit K.O's but these genins(shikamaru and others) are now chunnins and jounins (some) so yeah they could take care of cs2 users like that guy (although not as good as sasuke) that was killed by sasuke just now.

all i'm saying is that at the level sasuke's at right now its noting new since we all knew he would at least come out as strong as kimimaro was but he has the sharingan advantage so he was the potential to be better. and u guys gotta understand that not all cursed seals are strong....only the earth and Heavens cursed seals are considered the strongest and were owned by sasuke(heavens) kimimaro(earth) and anko(heavens seal)>>>>fact look it up on google (google:the strongest cursed seals)

if that guys that just died was kimimaro's caliber i would expect u guys to be acting as u r now but not with someguy thats not even as good as kimimaro i mean cmon guys u guys know better. again this aint a feat!!! that guys was at the level of the sound four to be certain..jeez

ps:all this wasn't meant for saifi, i was just using ur quote to sum up my point, dont take it the wrong way.

It seems there are ppl who still can't accept sasuke's strength, funny thing is when it comes to Itachi everyone is wowed. I hope you do understand that sasuke was way stronger than kimimaru in the fight against naruto even without the cs. Come on guys sasuke hasn't used a single genjutsu yet, no fire, shidori (i mean his own, not improved kakashi), no genjutsu.

Karma
April 06, 2007, 06:16 PM
Best CS? it depends on the user. Kimimaru beat the crap out the sound 4 and they had the CS. It really depends on the user. The guy that came after them was clearly a badass by killing everyone in its way it seems, until sasuke sliced and diced him with one swing. Hell he didn't even used his CS.

In addition I found so funny when Suigetsu comment about Juugo going to orochimaru out of his own free will, that really shows how crazy he is. The look on Sasuke's face is just priceless!!!! Like I wonder if he thinks i'm crazy!!?!?!?lol You still don't have no facts if those people the Dude fight before reaching to sasuke is Chunning level or above.. Plus what you said about it depend on the User, its true. But the fact is that people who is of a Advance Bloodline like Kimimaru/Sasuke etc. is the ones that CS works better for.. So all the Ninja that was in Sound 4 wasn't match for Kimimaru who has CS & Advance Bloodline & loneliness. you get it?

I think thats why Orochimaru was going after people who as Advance Bloodline limits. I think if Naruto Never fight Neji and change him. he would have been just like sasuke or even worst. Because he lost is father at a young age and was brought up in a poor class family.. So imagine Neji should have gotten bitten by Orochimaru. lol that be too crazy..

a lot of people in naruto is of Advance Bloodline, but its some thing that isn't easy to be seen like Neji,Sasuke etc. As i mention before. Everyone in naruto is from a Bloodline, because they all have blood and they all have blood type as well.

The 4th Hokage & Naruto of to be from the same Bloodline. Its not hard to see that. So naruto must inherit some thing from that Bloodline. My theory: The fourth Speed is what everyone from Naruto bloodline got and Kakashi know. so i can see Kakashi telling naruto about that speed he has inside of him and he only need to unlock it.

body flicker
April 06, 2007, 06:22 PM
sasuke is at least AROUND kimimaro's level. kimimaro took on rock lee AND gaara, and only lost because of his terminal illness.
::edit::
sasuke might be more powerful, solely because of the sharingan and his kusanagi variation, both of which kimimaro didnt have.
::endi

garra didnt transform he could have easily beat kimimaro if he did that also kimimaro could't use his bloodline limt to its full potenial untill he went cursed seal


It seems there are ppl who still can't accept sasuke's strength, funny thing is when it comes to Itachi everyone is wowed. I hope you do understand that sasuke was way stronger than kimimaru in the fight against naruto even without the cs. Come on guys sasuke hasn't used a single genjutsu yet, no fire, shidori (i mean his own, not improved kakashi), no genjutsu.

i totaly agree good post ^^

badluckartist
April 06, 2007, 06:29 PM
a lot of people in naruto is of Advance Bloodline, but its some thing that isn't easy to be seen like Neji,Sasuke etc. As i mention before. Everyone in naruto is from a Bloodline, because they all have blood and they all have blood type as well.

The 4th Hokage & Naruto of to be from the same Bloodline. Its not hard to see that. So naruto must inherit some thing from that Bloodline. My theory: The fourth Speed is what everyone from Naruto bloodline got and Kakashi know. so i can see Kakashi telling naruto about that speed he has inside of him and he only need to unlock it.

whoa there lil guy take your time! "everyone in naruto is from a bloodline"? that's the dumbest thing ive heard in a while. not everyone just 'inherits' everything from whatever clan they happen to be in; most of the clans in naruto simply have closely guarded secrets: akimichi clan's size changing, nara clan's shadows and medicine (including the soldier pills), or the aburame clan's bugs. bloodline limits are the only things that are inherited, not personal talents, like the 4th's speed {{also, we do NOT, i repeat, NOT know if the 4th is naruto's dad yet, or even related [my personal theory is that he is his uncle and akaleader is his dad, but that's for a different thread :p]}}. the bloodline limit's observed so far include very specialized traits, like special elements (mokuton [and even that didnt seem to be inherited, as tsunade doesnt seem to possess it] and hyouton), the byakugan, the sharingan, and dead bone pulse. as said, nobody was born with awesomeness, just because they were in a clan that possessed that, aside from, and ONLY from the specific bloodline limit clans.

you should check up on the databooks before you try to spout "facts." and no offense, but learn grammar. that heart my head.

Dxl
April 06, 2007, 06:41 PM
and no offense, but learn grammar. that heart my head.

lol pwnd

GrayFoxx
April 06, 2007, 07:07 PM
I'm going to use the words of Wooldoor Sockbat from "Drawn Together" house, to express my gratitude for Kylara about the new chapter... ...................WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...............

Lord Rae
April 06, 2007, 07:15 PM
whoa there lil guy take your time! "everyone in naruto is from a bloodline"? that's the dumbest thing ive heard in a while. not everyone just 'inherits' everything from whatever clan they happen to be in; most of the clans in naruto simply have closely guarded secrets: akimichi clan's size changing, nara clan's shadows and medicine (including the soldier pills), or the aburame clan's bugs. bloodline limits are the only things that are inherited, not personal talents, like the 4th's speed {{also, we do NOT, i repeat, NOT know if the 4th is naruto's dad yet, or even related [my personal theory is that he is his uncle and akaleader is his dad, but that's for a different thread :p]}}. the bloodline limit's observed so far include very specialized traits, like special elements (mokuton [and even that didnt seem to be inherited, as tsunade doesnt seem to possess it] and hyouton), the byakugan, the sharingan, and dead bone pulse. as said, nobody was born with awesomeness, just because they were in a clan that possessed that, aside from, and ONLY from the specific bloodline limit clans.

you should check up on the databooks before you try to spout "facts." and no offense, but learn grammar. that heart my head.

meh I'll always stick with the theory that Naruto IS the 4th.. reincarnated via the power of the fox when the seal was created.

Although what Sasuke did in this chapter was pretty impressive....If both Naruto and Sasuke are fresh when they fight (remember all the energy Naruto used not only catching Sasuke when they fought but all the fighting he did on the way there) it will be a close match no matter what.

GrayFoxx
April 06, 2007, 07:16 PM
and no offense, but learn grammar. that heart my head.

lol pwnd

That was a good one :)

GrayFoxx
April 06, 2007, 07:23 PM
I hope that soon Sasuke nad Naruto will have a one last battle... And about the 4th Hokage's Sealing The Kyubi in Naruto, there is something that buggs me. The 3rd used the same technique on Orochimaru, and the thing is how could the 4th seal the kyubi in naruto, that sealing technique is sealing inside the body of the technique user, so how could've that happen ? Beats Me...

Sephy7KillerMech
April 06, 2007, 07:32 PM
I spot a double post, bad boy foxxy!

Anyway... We all know Sasuke is kick ass. this chapter was pretty great, i liked what it reveled(sp?).

Wind_NiN
April 06, 2007, 07:34 PM
1. Lol, I knew that Juugo wasn't bisexual and about Sasuke's speed, do you think that he's using a drug, hopefully not.. 0_o''
2. Somehow, I think that next time Naruto and Sasuke meet, they will join forces.

GrayFoxx
April 06, 2007, 07:35 PM
I spot a double post, bad boy foxxy!

Yeah I am a bad boy Allright ! ! !

Karma
April 06, 2007, 07:48 PM
whoa there lil guy take your time! "everyone in naruto is from a bloodline"? that's the dumbest thing ive heard in a while. not everyone just 'inherits' everything from whatever clan they happen to be in; most of the clans in naruto simply have closely guarded secrets: akimichi clan's size changing, nara clan's shadows and medicine (including the soldier pills), or the aburame clan's bugs. bloodline limits are the only things that are inherited, not personal talents, like the 4th's speed {{also, we do NOT, i repeat, NOT know if the 4th is naruto's dad yet, or even related [my personal theory is that he is his uncle and akaleader is his dad, but that's for a different thread :p]}}. the bloodline limit's observed so far include very specialized traits, like special elements (mokuton [and even that didnt seem to be inherited, as tsunade doesnt seem to possess it] and hyouton), the byakugan, the sharingan, and dead bone pulse. as said, nobody was born with awesomeness, just because they were in a clan that possessed that, aside from, and ONLY from the specific bloodline limit clans.

you should check up on the databooks before you try to spout "facts." and no offense, but learn grammar. that heart my head.

I wonder where to start from.. Hmmm. The Bloodline topic.. Let me repeat, Everyone in Naruto is from a Bloodline, unless they are robots.

Neji, Haku ,sasuke & a few we saw so far is from a Advance Bloodline.. Kishi using fiction & real life situation to make is story interesting.

If you got a family and in your family your great grand father & father was a great singer isn’t it more of a possibility you may do some thing in the music field?

When I talk about people like Shika, Shino etc and there technique, it’s because those are the ones that Kishi reveals to us. You can not name a person in Naruto who is a Ninja from the leaf village and, there parents has been shown to us who haven’t inherits there family abilities. Just name one… Catch you again..

Lee parents haven’t been shown, Sakura mom haven’t been shown, But kakashi sensi make it clear “that Sakura is a Genjutsu type” thou we haven’t know or see Sakura parent’s, you know she’s from a family that Specialize in Genjutsu . Right?

The Naruto comment.

After that comment, I mention everyone is from a Bloodline not (an Advance Bloodline, I hope you see the difference), you grabbed on to the same thing I said & other’s, Who had mention about the 95&#37; chance of Naruto related to the 4th Hokage. And if he’s related to the fourth Hokage, what other Abilities you expecting Naruto to learn now? He done the frog summoning, rasengan & half complete that New Jutsu that the 4th Hokage wasn’t able to complete because of his death sealing the kyuubi in side Naruto etc…… I know you expecting him to be super fast like the 4th Hokage, right? You such a hypocrite & you don’t even know it.

I know I should have grammar my words. But I’m surely wasn’t writing to get an A in my English exam. I know we should all ways practice to write properly, But I’m wondering to my self……… if you think you wrote properly your self ……But I didn’t take it has a (offence), Honestly. But it would have been much better seeing a British flag under your post count…lol

edited so i can quote you..

Karma
April 06, 2007, 07:51 PM
meh I'll always stick with the theory that Naruto IS the 4th.. reincarnated via the power of the fox when the seal was created.

Although what Sasuke did in this chapter was pretty impressive....If both Naruto and Sasuke are fresh when they fight (remember all the energy Naruto used not only catching Sasuke when they fought but all the fighting he did on the way there) it will be a close match no matter what.
Yes it would have been.. Everyone fails to understand naruto intention isn't to kill sasuke. So even if they fight naruto going to always hold back.

THETRUTH.com
April 06, 2007, 08:56 PM
[QUOTE=Karma;356649]I wonder where to start from.. Hmmm. The Bloodline topic.. Let me repeat, Everyone in Naruto is from a Bloodline, unless they are robots.

Neji, Haku ,sasuke & a few we saw so far is from a Advance Bloodline.. Kishi using fiction & real life situation to make is story interesting.

If you got a family and in your family your great grand father & father was a great singer isn

directorj
April 06, 2007, 09:48 PM
Woah, interesting chapter. Not a lot of action, but PLENTY of information. Now we know where that curse seal came from...a cute little kid! He should be older than everyone there, but he looked sort of young in the last panel for some reason.

More info: Sasuke's apparently traveling with some nice kids. Suigetsu actually bothered to bury that guy instead of leaving him for the vultures.

Apparently Suigetsu and Karin don't know that Sasuke came to Orochimaru on his own. I wonder what they'd think of him if they knew?

What does Sasuke want this uncontrollable killer for? HOW is he going to control someone like this? If he can think of a way to pull it off, I'll be soooo impressed.

Karin...please don't open that door. It turns out he's not sexually confused after all...Bad news for you, right?

bighawke5
April 06, 2007, 10:40 PM
sasuke is at least AROUND kimimaro's level. kimimaro took on rock lee AND gaara, and only lost because of his terminal illness.
::edit::
sasuke might be more powerful, solely because of the sharingan and his kusanagi variation, both of which kimimaro didnt have.
::endit::


@bighawke5
you say it like the sound4 lost to normal genin- they didnt. the rookie 9, specifically those that fought the sound4, were probably the best of the best genin (besides shino :P). most of those fights were only won because the sand siblings intervened and saved them at the last second (gaara saved lee, kankuro saved kiba, and temari saved shikamaru; neji won because he was probably the most powerful genin at the time, and chouji won because he used his super awesome akimichi soldier pills). the cs2 sound nin were all incredibly strong, jounin level shinobi. i dont care if the noname guy was a low level nin, he was cs2. slashing him down with one invisible strike was pretty damn crazy.

that scene was there PURELY to show that sasuke has everything so completely under control, that even juugo wont have a chance against him, and that sasuke is the complete leader.

on to suigetsu... yeah, i agree with whomever said he was getting cooler. im starting to like him too. id get tired after lugging around that huge sword too :P overall, the chapter was better than i expected. kudos to kishi :)

never said the sound 4 were nothin in fact i did argue in the early pages of this post or another that the genins weren't ordinary but that only goes to prove my point that now that they are chunnins and some better yet jounins they can take out cursed seal guys like the sound 4 much easier. and since sasuke was pretty much a genus his skills shouldnt wow anyone now that he has come this far and i never said i dont recongnize his skills i was arguing that u ppl should over analyze them as u shouldve known he would have become this good after leavin somehow...and i dont know were u guys are gonna rate that CS GUY...dont even know how ur rating goes but i'm rating him at about the sound 4's levels and if thats that then sasuke's outgrown their power since after oros training its over...nada the sound 4 wouldnt even stand a chance unlike the first time were he couldnt even defeat them in the first part of the anime when they first met him but the other genins (neji) were able to defeat them and wats neji now a jounin(im pretty sure not an ordinary jounin since he wasnt much of a ordinary genin either)


Now about the kimimaro thing...i never said he couldnt be better than kimimaro....i wasnt limiting his skills to kimimaro's...in fact if u guys ever read posts i said that he had the advantage with his bloodline and sharingan and all. so in fact that means he's better than kimimaro i was just rating his strength by using kimimaro as a measuring stick since he's one of the best thing that came out of oro's training and experiments much like sasuke...and if u compare their style and attitude sasuke and kimimaro are pretty much the same plus their speed. anyhow understand i never said kimimaro was better..as just using him as a measuring stick..

PS:stupid thing u might have said was the kusanagi and sharingan variation..i agree thats a variation but remember that kimimaro's bones are much like gaara's sand they could be hardened to the finest and used in anyway, the last attack he used on gaara and lee b4 he died was pretty much more lethal in many ways....anyhow not saying kimimaro was stronger but they both have their variation so dont just totally rule out kimimaro's arsenal and that statement u used was just one sided...everybody has their arsenal so that only doesnt prove the strength of a ninja..but in this case we know sasuke's stronger for other reasons


on to the other thing...thta scene wasn't to show anything bout juugo's skills.....for god's sakejuugo didnt do anything yet so no that scene wasnt to show that "yea juugo wont have a chance against sasuke" i mean 1st they are suppose to be in a team if not we'll sea whats gonna happen with juugo's bodily fluids but thats that.. and plus none of sasuke's teammates were impressed with that lil show of thing he did...no panels showed anything that suggested it..its just sasuke fans makin it a big deal ......yea we get it sasuke's fast as light...we've already seen that b4 with his meeting wit naruto but the killing of the cursed seal guys was just normal for his strength right now, i'm pretty sure even neji can do something like that but we havent seen his growth as of yet so thats that...

U guys r making a big deal of this...if sasuke had killed itachi or TOBI or even kisame like he just did to that CS guy i swear to u guys u would see me act as u guys r acting right now but get a hold of urselves...until we see how sasuke an akatsuki like he did that guy right now i'm not admitting to how rediculously strong u guys make him to be... and kishi might not make it happen so we'll keep arguing..i guess thats why there's always ppl believing sasuke's stronger than naruto and others believing its the other way around.while some think they both equal but sasuke's more flashy with his techniques...i'm the neutral one

out..
@KARMA i like ur posts, they're always well thought out..

pcxxy
April 06, 2007, 11:10 PM
uber thx for the chapter and scanlation


i just wanna comment on how nice this chapter is... to reveal to us that the curse seal has its bloodline limit-type origin.

now it feels more and more to me that Orochimaru was some sort of molecular biologist... and does genetic recombination and cloning... ;p

badluckartist
April 06, 2007, 11:30 PM
@karma & thetruth.com & bighawke5 (refering indiscriminately)

what? british flag? i live in america, i just happen to be smart enough to know how to throw a sentence together and spell things right. crazy, i know.

i meant that you were stating that a bloodline has to do with talent, which is rediculously stupid. sakumo was a genius, kakashi being a genius isnt genetic- he might not even really be a genius. he's just really intelligent with how to use his experience, and he had to grow up really, fast. and he got the sharingan. a better example would be the hyuugas. neji is the primest of all genius's in a clan, and he came from the LOWER BRANCH. genetics has nothing to do with talent. in the narutoverse, genetics has ONLY to do with specific bloodline limits (like hyoton, sharingan, the hatake's white chakra, or dead bone pulse). belonging to a clan has to do with influence in personality and jutsus, certainly, but not talent. i understand your point about arsenals and whatnot (@bighawke5, you were right about the kimimaro's bone sword thingy vs. sasuke's kusanagi, but kimimaro has nothing against the sharingan)

"thta scene wasn't to show anything bout juugo's skills.....for god's sakejuugo didnt do anything yet so no that scene wasnt to show that "yea juugo wont have a chance against sasuke""

im sorry, what? im pretty sure i said that that scene was there to emphasize SASUKE'S skills. it wasnt there to woo his teammates, it was there to woo the READERS. that's what i said/meant. kishi's showing us sasuke's skills to make us believe that he has everything under control, and setting us up for something shocking or unpredictable when he meets juugo. will he pwn juugo? or is kishi lulling us into false security? that was my point ass. whoever said that.

i never made a big deal, i was pointing out the significance of that scene and trying to interpret kishi's meaning behind it. sue me.

Omi
April 06, 2007, 11:52 PM
Juugo looks more like the little captain in Bleach than Naruto so hopefully we don't hear anymore twin brother theories.

A bloodline (genetic heritage) usually results in certain characteristics e.g. body type, health, stamina, etc. In some cases it can be associated with intelligence or mental potential (although most don't make use of it --- aka Naruto). An advanced bloodline has special attributes that have made them almost a sub specie (probably by excessive interbreeding and stuff). Kind of the same thing we have with most agricultural crops which used to weeds and stuff a long time ago.

Neji is not of the Head branch of the Hyuuga but remember he is the son of the twin brother of the head of the family i.e. the head of the Head branch. But that does not determine his intelligence blah blah.

Sasuke beating this CS2 guy was mostly due to the guy being surprised, the kusangi Sasuke used and Sasuke's intention to kill him quickly. Guy lands looks ahead and sees Sasuke and is filled with awe. Next second, he probably sees a blur and has a deep cut ... game over. A good ninja in the Narutoverse would have attempted to block the attack or move out of the way.

By the way, his CS2 wings are not like Sasuke's. He was more like a partial bat than a hawk.

I wonder what Naruto would be if he got the cursed seal.

TechnoMagus
April 07, 2007, 12:05 AM
Juugo looks more like the little captain in Bleach than Naruto so hopefully we don't hear anymore twin brother theories.


OMG! yeah, i actually noticed it before... :p *splicing up some pics for everyone to compare juugo with hitsugaya toushirou....(the one in winterlion's avatar and sig!)*

edit: juugo, last panel....
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/349/17/
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7607/juugoom0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


sorry winty, took your avatar and sig... :p

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/570/imagequ1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3661/imagezk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dshir%C5%8D_Hitsugaya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T&#37;C5%8Dshir%C5%8D_Hitsugaya)


i sure do hope he doesn't have winter white hair and his cursed seal doesn't involve ice flower petals and an ice dragon! :kukuku

Kusachu
April 07, 2007, 12:27 AM
Omg...please let Karin walk through that door next...

Bah, that would be too good to be true. :(

Karma
April 07, 2007, 01:50 AM
@karma & thetruth.com & bighawke5 (refering indiscriminately)

what? british flag? i live in america, i just happen to be smart enough to know how to throw a sentence together and spell things right. crazy, i know.


Calm down little one.. I live in America too And, I’m a US Citizen as well.. It’s just that most Americans as my self doesn't speak proper English, the British do. It's way to let you understand that you not perfect. And this forum is a Board where we come on and Discuss about Naruto & other Animated cartoon…. There all ways going to be people from different country coming here... Some can barely speak English. Some going to be able to spell perfectly, some don't. some know how to Grammar Perfectly, some don't... This isn't a board that teach English, so get off my case and others that find out your hypocrite ways...

First, I was talking about bloodline and I stated that everyone is from a bloodline. I said that naruto is from a bloodline as well. And if he’s from the 4th Hokage I expected him to gain that Speed. Right now in your family there is a bloodline. Your mom or dad might be a teacher. You as there son or daughter might end up doing some thing that involves with teaching kids. That’s what bloodline is... So what I said all long was actual true. But you twist it and saying the same thing I was saying all this time..

Kakashi got is smartness from is father. Because is father was at a sannin level Ninja. It’s logics dude.. That’s why most of the Hokage’s is related some way.. Either brother, student, daughter.. And all those Hokage that have kids, grand kids as more possibility of becoming a Hokage..

Edited:
and you might see my Jamaica flag, but that's where i was born, and i pay my dues to america and still doing it.. Because i'm in the US Navy for 3 and half years.. And i got all rights to say what i want to say about my country. if i can die for it , why not speak the truth about it?

bighawke5
April 07, 2007, 01:51 AM
@badluckartist
thing is someone that's talented has been thought first hand and developed watever it is he's trying to be good at so much that it becomes second nature or he gets almost perfect at it.

now u can't even learn something if u cant understand it...u need to b able to at least grasp its basic meaning. in other words if ur very dumb, have no intellect than u can't learn something and b talented at it. ppl that are talented at something have learned that something, understood it at least but not only that, they got the concept of it. requires some intellect


intellect is somewat genetic and if u exercise it, u get even more intelligent and logical. if both parents arent too intelligent in a certain area than its the same 4 the child. intellect is genetic since to b talented at something u must grasp its basic concept and work at it till u master it. thus talent is developed but genetics have something to do with talent as u need to b at least intelligent to comprehend and later get talented.

MT.
April 07, 2007, 03:39 AM
Man, I really love these new characters. =D

You know what else I love? As much as this is a shounen manga, I really love the "non-action" chapters with all the information in it. The storyline Naruto has so much depth and mystery that I'm always looking forward to these type of chapters.

For e.g the whole Juugo & CS thing - wow interesting new info! =D - and "he must have been retarded to come to Orochimaru out of his own free will" thing and Sasuke's reaction.. haha priceless. I love these chapters. <3333

Absolutely looking forward to 350!

Man.. it's been 105 chapters already? Damn...

GreeN Beast
April 07, 2007, 04:14 AM
If Konoha( naruto, sakura, sai kakashi gai lee etc) fights againts sasuke, juugo,sui,karin that will be AWESOME!! i hope that they fight ! this is pretty cool that juugo is the source of the cursed seal! great idea of Kishimoto!!^^

TechnoMagus
April 07, 2007, 06:20 AM
If Konoha( naruto, sakura, sai kakashi gai lee etc) fights againts sasuke, juugo,sui,karin that will be AWESOME!! i hope that they fight ! this is pretty cool that juugo is the source of the cursed seal! great idea of Kishimoto!!^^

i think it would be more like naruto (acting as a senior/leader) and the konohamaru gang but it's too lopsided! :XD
but i sure do hope konohamaru's guy on guy jutsu with sasuke and sai will flip karin out! :rofl

seriously, i doubt it if this kind of matchup is going to happen... :notrust

Sephy7KillerMech
April 07, 2007, 07:36 AM
But what if he does a Sasuke x Naruto... ufff it's just too disturbing

tricel
April 07, 2007, 07:58 AM
another sasuke favored chapter delivered to us by kishimoto.., i think when sasuke's team and the new team seven finally meet they will surelly involve in a fight? why b'coz i think sasuke would want to test the skills and abilities of his new formed team and who's better match up that can provide a real good fight to end than the new team7!
he'll surelly want to test his skills against kakashi..,(another sharingan user), naruto against juugoo,sakura vs karin, sai vs suguetsu.this is why i think he is forming a team..,to battle against the new team seven before having the guts to track down itachi.
will he finally kill kakashi to gain his mangenkyo sharingan?and redeemed those precious eyes of his clan?well sasuke is kakashi's favorite student so it's the last thing that kakashi can do for his favored pupil is to developed his perfect sharingan eyes.

razor
April 07, 2007, 08:07 AM
lol,one slash from sasuke and one CS2 monster died.Awesome.anyway,this chapter is awesome too.an origin of curse seal.yeah.

GrayFoxx
April 07, 2007, 08:18 AM
Sasuke's Team would crush Kakashi's Team, unless Naruto uses his Kyuubi, that would mean the death of all of them. :)

White Rabbit
April 07, 2007, 08:50 AM
since it is said that juugo came to orochimarus "hideout" and anko got her juin a long time ago... did orochimaru already had secret hideouts when he still was with konoha? or is this a plotline scewup on kishimotos side?

RegulasFade
April 07, 2007, 10:04 AM
since it is said that juugo came to orochimarus "hideout" and anko got her juin a long time ago... did orochimaru already had secret hideouts when he still was with konoha? or is this a plotline scewup on kishimotos side?


I think the better question is, if Anko got the seal so long ago, how is Juugo stilll the same age as Sasuke and co.

juUnior
April 07, 2007, 10:19 AM
since it is said that juugo came to orochimarus "hideout" and anko got her juin a long time ago... did orochimaru already had secret hideouts when he still was with konoha? or is this a plotline scewup on kishimotos side?
Had the same thoughts. Actually it will be that Juugo is actually old :x or Kishis had a headache doing that ^^" I hope we will see more next chap :D

tricel
April 07, 2007, 11:12 AM
since it is said that juugo came to orochimarus "hideout" and anko got her juin a long time ago... did orochimaru already had secret hideouts when he still was with konoha? or is this a plotline scewup on kishimotos side?

i think it's another plot no jutsu coming from kishimoto. b/coz it would seem that if juggo is the source of curse seal b/c of his unique enzyme then he should be older than anko and the rest of orochimaru's human experiments that has curse seal.
also i don't think that sasuke's team will beat the new team7's badly b/coz each of them has it's own abilities..,i think the match-up will going to be great. kakashi has sharingan so it's best to match him up w/ sasuke,naruto and sakura are both trained by sannin so i think they can manage,sai is in anbu roots and is trained well so all in all it's going to an exciting match.
sasuke vs kakashi,
juggo vs naruto.
sakura vs karin,
sai vs suigetsu

DarkManSharingan32
April 07, 2007, 12:30 PM
I'll repost from my prediction thread... because this place is having the same problem:


You guys have to remember a few important things...
Anko is only about three years younger than Kakashi... (she is about 23) and ... she graduated academy at the age of 10 (which means she was placed under Orochimaru at this time). She passed her Chuunin exams at the age of 12... which tells me that she was at least given the cursed seal at about this time.

Since there is no record of anyone older than Anko having the Cursed seal... it is entirely possible that Orochimaru happened to find Juugo when his age was around that of Anko's... (maybe even younger).

At the end of it all... that would make Juugo anywhere from 19-22 years old... and from there his appearance can be tweaked to fit the age... so thats nothing to worry about.

This all goes to say that Kishi has not created a plot hole... at least not an unsolvable one anyways. It all starts with Anko being the one of the first people given the CS though. (Maybe the first to survive it's mini-trial).

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*This information comes mosty from my brain... but its based upon the Databook. I'm not sure that it included the timeskip, so you would have to re-configure the ages based on that extra 2.5 years*
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SO, to clear things up...
Juugo is definitely at least 4 years older than Sasuke and Co right now (in fact it was never even mentioned that he was... only ASSUMED)... AND there is not plot hole as of yet.

Juugo doen't have to be older... he just has to be alive during the time when Orochimaru and Anko were with eachother. (It's entirely possible for Juugo to have sought out Oro at the age of 8 or 9. Oro was an established Sannin genius at that point.)
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This chapter was very well done... especially with the building of Juugo. The Origin of the Cursed Seal? Kishimoto you impress me yet again.

juUnior
April 07, 2007, 01:02 PM
DarkManSharingan32 good points ^^ This really makes sense, and to that add we can consider that Juugo must have been young when he felt that he has problems :x So if anybody wants to look for plot no jutsu, it's rather not in it :D

Karma
April 07, 2007, 01:07 PM
I'll repost from my prediction thread... because this place is having the same problem:


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SO, to clear things up...
Juugo is definitely at least 4 years older than Sasuke and Co right now (in fact it was never even mentioned that he was... only ASSUMED)... AND there is not plot hole as of yet.

Juugo doen't have to be older... he just has to be alive during the time when Orochimaru and Anko were with eachother. (It's entirely possible for Juugo to have sought out Oro at the age of 8 or 9. Oro was an established Sannin genius at that point.)
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This chapter was very well done... especially with the building of Juugo. The Origin of the Cursed Seal? Kishimoto you impress me yet again.
you make a whole lot of sense there.. :D..

GPZrag
April 07, 2007, 01:11 PM
actually juugo seemed to me very cool... its like kishimoto is trying to make a contrast in this character cause if we are talking about the CS source you expect something terrible and horrifying however when i saw juugo, i though he was a young boy and nice :)... in fact he makes me remember this guy from Death Note ("L") anyways i have a strong feeling that this character is gonna be contradictory, docil but at the same time cold bloodded killer... a really piece of work :)

Juhdi91
April 07, 2007, 01:25 PM
1. Lol, I knew that Juugo wasn't bisexual and about Sasuke's speed, do you think that he's using a drug, hopefully not.. 0_o''
2. Somehow, I think that next time Naruto and Sasuke meet, they will join forces.
That's what I have been thinking the whole time. Why should Sasuke and Naruto be enemies anymore, they both are against Atatsuki anyways.

RegulasFade
April 07, 2007, 02:56 PM
About Sasuke's speed. Maybe he's learned The 4ths flash technique.


Either way it's probably based on some kind of electrical acceleration.

bighawke5
April 07, 2007, 03:05 PM
About Sasuke's speed. Maybe he's learned The 4ths flash technique.


Either way it's probably based on some kind of electrical acceleration.

its more like he's like mastered his chakra control or so...not to the extent of sakura or tsunaide prob but to move like he does its pretty much the same concept of walking on water except used differently. releasing a constant amount of chakra through his foot/leg watever and using it to boost his speed...thats how rock lee does it, the more u control the chakra the more places u can nake it go and control the way u use it at those places. thats y sasuke was getting tired during the chunnin exam by merely using his chakra to move like rock lee since u he used lots of his chakra he got tired, first he didn't train his muscles like lee had and wasnt used to using his chakra near constantly at an abundant level to do lee's moves but he still got the concept of it from kakashi i'm sure. rock lee's muscles can handle it and he worked out on that his entire life almost thats y he's more natural at that speed. now dont say but rock lee cant do ninjutsu or gengutsu so he can't use his chakra...he can but only to do taijutsu but he can't do ninjutsu nor gengutsu..only taijutsu.

white silver
April 07, 2007, 03:20 PM
It's been awhile since I've seen a good chapter for Naruto. Kudos to Kishimoto as he nearly got me into thinking that "minion CS2" guy is Juugo. Another interesting revelation to the Curse seal as now I can understand this is not an Orochimaru originality but with the result of experimenting on another person. Makes me think about the Cursed Seal Bloodline, lol!

Anyways, Naruto has to come up with something better than his Destructive Fuuton to solve the Sasuke/Naruto relationship. Great chapter!

Karma
April 07, 2007, 04:06 PM
its more like he's like mastered his chakra control or so...not to the extent of sakura or tsunaide prob but to move like he does its pretty much the same concept of walking on water except used differently. releasing a constant amount of chakra through his foot/leg watever and using it to boost his speed...thats how rock lee does it, the more u control the chakra the more places u can nake it go and control the way u use it at those places. thats y sasuke was getting tired during the chunnin exam by merely using his chakra to move like rock lee since u he used lots of his chakra he got tired, first he didn't train his muscles like lee had and wasnt used to using his chakra near constantly at an abundant level to do lee's moves but he still got the concept of it from kakashi i'm sure. rock lee's muscles can handle it and he worked out on that his entire life almost thats y he's more natural at that speed. now dont say but rock lee cant do ninjutsu or gengutsu so he can't use his chakra...he can but only to do taijutsu but he can't do ninjutsu nor gengutsu..only taijutsu.I agree with you..

That mean Naruto should be able to do the same at this moment.. Because Naruto already master the rasengan, Which take enormous of chakra control to do.. Plus he got the wind element under control

bighawke5
April 07, 2007, 05:39 PM
I agree with you..

That mean Naruto should be able to do the same at this moment.. Because Naruto already master the rasengan, Which take enormous of chakra control to do.. Plus he got the wind element under control… So I think Naruto will be able to be faster than the 4th Hokage after learning more about tiajutsu & using is KB to help him train… lol that is crazy… Naruto the Wind God. :D

my point exactly...thats y im saying is the diff b/w naruto and sasuke wats making sasuke look like he's the best of all is that he's better in using his moves swiftly and is a person thats flashy(he knows what he's capable of and shows it off with style) naruto knows pretty much the same thing but is more like a raw version of sasuke..he doesn't show off or use what he knows in style like sasuke does...like let me show this in an example that'll be very much like kishi's style:

A scenario (killing some shinobi)

sasuke would vanish in thin air (he's fast like lee, knows how to use his chakra well) and slash the guy and appear behind him ...the guy would turn around try to punch him and sasuke uses chidori nagashi on him or chidori and the guy's down....very flashy and quick killing

now on to naruto (killing a shinobi)
naruto well run straight at him and jump up do kage bushin (uses three clones) one goes behind enemy the others on the sides and the the one that jumped does a flip and comes down with a fully formed rasengan..the other clones have already kicked him up...the one that jumped blows the rasengan straight in that guys face...now supposing the guy's a lil smarter he dodges it somehow and trows the incommin naruto away by grabbin his arm...but pufff its just a clone..suddenly another clone comes from behind and uses O.rasengan on him ...guy's dead
dont get me wrong though (naruto with fox's eyes well be just as flashy as sasuke lol, i'll always argue on that)


u see they both used their chakra well (were both trained twice on chakra control by kakashi plus jiraiya for naruto some more) but sasuke's moves are flashier and swifter and quicker and more like a show off(good one of course)and quick finisher..naruto goes more on tactics and raw power(well in the older naruto anyway) and uses raw power and straight in the guys face with no style or flashy moves besides the ninjutsu he uses lol.

as u can seethey both finished ninjas of the same calliber off but by looking at it sasuke did it faster than naruto, plus he's swift in using his moves in doing so...naruto was using raw fighting moves and has no swiftness but he's more like an IN YOUR FACE PERSON. in the end though they own but they both owned in the end
in the end they know as much as each other but its how u use it in battle that makes u seem god like or fancy....and yeah
naruto=wind god ...............sasuke=thunder god...cant wait for that 2nd fight lol

tricel
April 07, 2007, 07:30 PM
yup..,w/ the way things are going on naruto manga..,in the end people will always see sasuke as the main character of the series while naruto will always be the the dobe prankster that will cease his own life to sacrifice again and again and be likely dead while he's in his young life killed by akatsuki maybe in his prime killed in action and w/o achieving his goal.
then sasuke will have his own clan rebuild,be the new hokage and of course have kids that will become the future of the village while they pay tribute to naruto's grave.
b/coz it's not like kishimoto's going to make naruto actually be the main character w/o him making sacrifices.

Hemostrat
April 08, 2007, 12:20 PM
God damnit, people like you, tricel, piss me off to no end. The same thing happened in the last arc when Kishi took the spot light off of Naruto, "OH!!11 HE SHOULD cHaNgE his MANGA TO SHIKAMARU!!!!1111 ROFLCOPTER" *rolls eyes* Oh damn you Kishi for developing other characters! God damn you to hell!

lordHokage
April 08, 2007, 01:07 PM
It's been awhile since I've seen a good chapter for Naruto. Kudos to Kishimoto as he nearly got me into thinking that "minion CS2" guy is Juugo. Another interesting revelation to the Curse seal as now I can understand this is not an Orochimaru originality but with the result of experimenting on another person. Makes me think about the Cursed Seal Bloodline, lol!

Anyways, Naruto has to come up with something better than his Destructive Fuuton to solve the Sasuke/Naruto relationship. Great chapter!


I agree with you, this chapter was good. There is a reason why Naruto is the god of Wind. No matter how strong and powerful Kishimoto allows the god of lightning to become, he would never ever defeat the mightily god of Wind.

Karma
April 08, 2007, 02:34 PM
my point exactly...thats y im saying is the diff b/w naruto and sasuke wats making sasuke look like he's the best of all is that he's better in using his moves swiftly and is a person thats flashy(he knows what he's capable of and shows it off with style) naruto knows pretty much the same thing but is more like a raw version of sasuke..he doesn't show off or use what he knows in style like sasuke does...like let me show this in an example that'll be very much like kishi's style:

A scenario (killing some shinobi)

sasuke would vanish in thin air (he's fast like lee, knows how to use his chakra well) and slash the guy and appear behind him ...the guy would turn around try to punch him and sasuke uses chidori nagashi on him or chidori and the guy's down....very flashy and quick killing

now on to naruto (killing a shinobi)
naruto well run straight at him and jump up do kage bushin (uses three clones) one goes behind enemy the others on the sides and the the one that jumped does a flip and comes down with a fully formed rasengan..the other clones have already kicked him up...the one that jumped blows the rasengan straight in that guys face...now supposing the guy's a lil smarter he dodges it somehow and trows the incommin naruto away by grabbin his arm...but pufff its just a clone..suddenly another clone comes from behind and uses O.rasengan on him ...guy's dead
dont get me wrong though (naruto with fox's eyes well be just as flashy as sasuke lol, i'll always argue on that)


u see they both used their chakra well (were both trained twice on chakra control by kakashi plus jiraiya for naruto some more) but sasuke's moves are flashier and swifter and quicker and more like a show off(good one of course)and quick finisher..naruto goes more on tactics and raw power(well in the older naruto anyway) and uses raw power and straight in the guys face with no style or flashy moves besides the ninjutsu he uses lol.

as u can seethey both finished ninjas of the same calliber off but by looking at it sasuke did it faster than naruto, plus he's swift in using his moves in doing so...naruto was using raw fighting moves and has no swiftness but he's more like an IN YOUR FACE PERSON. in the end though they own but they both owned in the end
in the end they know as much as each other but its how u use it in battle that makes u seem god like or fancy....and yeah
naruto=wind god ...............sasuke=thunder god...cant wait for that 2nd fight lol

There are a lot of things people not taking in consideration in this manga. Well, Sasuke is all ways shown as the flashy person. Naruto all ways comes out victorious in the end and surprise sasuke & is viewers.

So what I’m saying is, If you been watch Naruto from the beginning you would realize that Sasuke all ways praises as the best because of is Advance Bloodline abilities. While Naruto is always trying to catch up and learning some thing that beats whatever sasuke learn. So sasuke showing is skills and naruto train to do some catch up. He all ways do catch up and at the same time doing it at a record time.

What we so far is improvement of rasengan. After he complete that new jutsu , he still going to need to work on is taijutsu. To have any chance of bring sasuke back or to have any chance of protecting is friends. Naruto is just as strong as sasuke or stronger. It’s just that he need a little working on, to make sure he can defeat sasuke with is own power and not the kyuubi..

But I like Sasuke flashy style. It’s just crazy how everyone forgets that naruto beat Kakuzu with out taking a break from is training. Lol Even Kakuzu mention that Naruto looks like someone just kicked is Ass before they fight. So that speaks volume of Naruto new strength and stamina. So imagine Naruto at full health? Naruto all ways stronger than Sasuke. Even at the end when they fought, Naruto was holding back while sasuke wasn't at all. Plus Naruto was only using one tail at that time and still get a draw.

People need to cut that crap about sasuke suppressing the kyuubi chakra. Because what we saw from sasuke is sort of genjutsu. Naruto & the Kyuubi is similar to the curse seal. It activate at is will..

ANBU4U
April 08, 2007, 02:59 PM
and after a few chapters he will own/pawn sasuke's ass as he did in the first part (that is not even willing to hurt him) :)

Im pretty sure he said something along the lines of "I'll bring you back as a bloody stump if I have to." In the end he was pretty willing to hurt sauske. He just lost, stop making excuses.

lordHokage
April 08, 2007, 03:08 PM
[QUOTE=Karma;358303]There are a lot of things people not taking in consideration in this manga. Well, Sasuke is all ways shown as the flashy person. Naruto all ways comes out victorious in the end and surprise sasuke & is viewers.

So what I

Karma
April 08, 2007, 03:36 PM
Im pretty sure he said something along the lines of "I'll bring you back as a bloody stump if I have to." In the end he was pretty willing to hurt sauske. He just lost, stop making excuses.I wouldn't say Naruto lost. I would say Naruto score the most by making sasuke realizes that he's not the only one that has pain, and he's not the only person that is special. So Naruto was fighting to bring sasuke back while sasuke was trying to kill naruto. Sasuke understand Naruto pain after he explain what his team mate means to him. But stratching Sasuke head band was what Sasuke said Naruto couldn't do and, he was proven wrong.

You might think because sasuke walk away from the battle and naruto was carried away by kakashi, It makes him the loser. But it was more of a draw.. Because Naruto remind sasuke what is father didn't want him to do and, that is to be like is brother. Plus when it comes to artifial strenght naruto is way stronger. Because naruto was only using one tail fighting sasuke. Just imagine 4 tail or higher. plus using that new rasengan Jutsu in kyuubi state.

Do u remember Naruto hurt sasuke with rasengan during sasuke head on clash? thats why he was bleeding. rasengan is powerful than chidori..

ANBU4U
April 08, 2007, 03:43 PM
another sasuke favored chapter delivered to us by kishimoto.., i think when sasuke's team and the new team seven finally meet they will surelly involve in a fight? why b'coz i think sasuke would want to test the skills and abilities of his new formed team and who's better match up that can provide a real good fight to end than the new team7!
he'll surelly want to test his skills against kakashi..,(another sharingan user), naruto against juugoo,sakura vs karin, sai vs suguetsu.this is why i think he is forming a team..,to battle against the new team seven before having the guts to track down itachi.
will he finally kill kakashi to gain his mangenkyo sharingan?and redeemed those precious eyes of his clan?well sasuke is kakashi's favorite student so it's the last thing that kakashi can do for his favored pupil is to developed his perfect sharingan eyes.

Sauske does not care about team 7. At all. Or at least not enough to check in on them.

He is not traveling across the cntinent to form a decent squad...so that karin and Sakura can have cat fight. He has much bigger plans I assure you. If a confrontation occured it would be coincidental I'm sure, no way Sauske takes time out of his day to see how good team 7 has gotten. He just doesnt care.


I agree with you..

That mean Naruto should be able to do the same at this moment.. Because Naruto already master the rasengan, Which take enormous of chakra control to do.. Plus he got the wind element under control… So I think Naruto will be able to be faster than the 4th Hokage after learning more about tiajutsu & using is KB to help him train… lol that is crazy… Naruto the Wind God. :D

Why does everyone thing the Flying Thunder God technique is about speed? The 4th used a special seal to teleport himself...thats it, plain and simple. It wasnt speed...not in a conventional sense anyway, it was a technique.

And for those that have been whispering it, I doubt its a blood-line limit.


God damnit, people like you, tricel, piss me off to no end. The same thing happened in the last arc when Kishi took the spot light off of Naruto, "OH!!11 HE SHOULD cHaNgE his MANGA TO SHIKAMARU!!!!1111 ROFLCOPTER" *rolls eyes* Oh damn you Kishi for developing other characters! God damn you to hell!

Its was aactually a solid theory. I have no trouble imagining naruto sacraficing himself to save everyone, after which Sauske becomes Hokage in order to pay tribute to his friends dream........its actually a refreshing bit of storytelling, fairytale endings are soo boring. Besides we know kishi doesnt have a problem writing that sort of thing, I mean look what happened to Obito, for all intents and purposes he WAS Naruto, and look what happened to him. And whos the most badass jounin in the land??? Kakashi a.k.a. Sauske the original, all the while living his life in loving memory of his dead friend. To his credit he didnt date Rin tho......as far as we know.


I agree with you, this chapter was good. There is a reason why Naruto is the god of Wind. No matter how strong and powerful Kishimoto allows the god of lightning to become, he would never ever defeat the mightily god of Wind.

Why would either beat the other.....they're both gods......fairly similar ones at that. Besides I doubt Sauske has really slacked on his Fire techniques post time-skip, this whole "lightning god" thing baffels me......marketing I suspect. God of Fire/Lightning versus God of Wind sounds lop-sided I suppose. In all honesty I find it unlikely that naruto will face Sauske again without another element under his belt, but kishi had to make a centerfold...and shippuuden was coming..... I imagine he just needed something cool. Understandable really, I'd have done it.


I wouldn't say Naruto lost. I would say Naruto score the most by making sasuke realizes that he's not the only one that has pain, and he's not the only person that is special. So Naruto was fighting to bring sasuke back while sasuke was trying to kill naruto. Sasuke understand Naruto pain after he explain what his team mate means to him. But stratching Sasuke head band was what Sasuke said Naruto couldn't do and, he was proven wrong.

You might think because sasuke walk away from the battle and naruto was carried away by kakashi, It makes him the loser. But it was more of a draw.. Because Naruto remind sasuke what is father didn't want him to do and, that is to be like is brother. Plus when it comes to artifial strenght naruto is way stronger. Because naruto was only using one tail fighting sasuke. Just imagine 4 tail or higher. plus using that new rasengan Jutsu in kyuubi state.

Do u remember Naruto hurt sasuke with rasengan during sasuke head on clash? thats why he was bleeding. rasengan is powerful than chidori..

yay for moral victories!

Anyway, He lost.

He was unconcious, Sauske wasnt...period. You cant say one technique was stronger than the other....especially givin that they both held back. Rasengan certainly is more efficiant tho, I'll give you that.

As for the 4tails....thats irrelevant. naruto couldnt do that at the time...pressumably thats what Jiriya "taught" Naruto over the time skip....what a wasted 2.5 years....

Anyway, naruto can only manifest as much demon chakra has his body "a container" can hold....the 4tails state is likely a result of physically being bigger, stronger, able to handle it.

But w/e. We know he tried his best to bring him back but couldnt. So i feel confident saying he couldnt win at the time.

P.S.- Didnt these post use to auto-merge?

Yes, they used to. But there are ways to get the job done. *self high-five* lol ~ DMS

EDIT

Thanx alot DMS, could'nt have done it without you.

Decorus
April 08, 2007, 04:32 PM
He wasn't taught 4 tails it happened during his training and he nearly killed his instructor. We haven't seen Naruto use that jutsu yet:)

Sasuke is probably forming his team to go after Itachi or maybe even enter the Chunin exams...

hurotias66
April 08, 2007, 04:52 PM
Come on people, don't be that angry, It is Sasuke's time to shine. After all, we have seen Naruto defeat an Akatsuki member(even if naruto's new power seems to make elite S class shinobi forget to use their techniques/their brain to avoid such powerful techniques as the fuuton rasengan)
So what did sasuke do since we first saw him:-he made Sai fall on his butt with only his sharingan, inspiring fear to someone who didn't even know what fear was(pretty impressive, and pretty useful in a fight if you can make such an emotionless shinobi useless for a few seconds)
-he numbed Yamato using his chidori nagashi, a pretty useful lighting technique which could be used as an "ultimate defense" again taijutsu users: if they can't touch you without being disabled, they certainly don't risk defeating you
-he demonstrated insane speed, surprising Sakura(I know, I thought it was not that amazing, but then I remembered she had been taught how to dodge by Tsunade herself, and that it was an essential part of her training...so surprising someone who has been taught how to avoid attacks is quite amazing)
-he demonstrated it again by decimating a cursed seal stage 2 user(And remember guy, orochimaru gave him this seal, and the snake sannin was definitly not attracted to weaklings: so it is ridiculous to argue that we don't know his level at all: he obviously was no genin)
-he anihilated more than an hundred shinobis(grown ups, so they were probably no genins), without breaking a sweat, without killing them, without even being stained by blood
-he defeated orochimaru in his own dimension, demonstrating he probably masters his sharingan now.
-his sword of lightning definetly looked like a form and nature chakra manipulation to me.

So we have tangible, solid facts who demonstrate Sasuke's growth. And the fact that he is able to control suigetsu and karin makes me believe that they know they should not cross him.
We didn't have such facts for naruto yet. He is impressive in" Kyubi 4 tails mode" but he looses any capacity for rational thoughts in the process, which is less impressive.
And his new ultimate rasengan is not that useful: after all, 99&#37; of the ninjas would be done for with the normal rasengan...
I see a future where naruto will redeem Sasuke, and where they finally will be equal. I certainly can't conceive naruto anihilating sasuke with super powers he doesn't have.
..and for the moment, It looks like naruto still has a long way to go. But for me you are forgeting what this manga is about: not really power, but determination and morals: kakashi was powerful when he was twelve, but he needed obito, the "looser" to give him something to live for and to believe...It doesn't make kakashi pathetic, it makes him more complete. And i expect that it will be the same thing for sasuke

ikuroi
April 08, 2007, 05:21 PM
Best part of the whole chapter, and many chapters before... was when Suigetsu said that you have to be crazy if you go to orochimaru by your own free will, and she wondered if he knew why? and he said he was retarded. Sasuke looked a bit sad there when he said crazy lol.

Anyway, Sasuke was indeed cool this chapter. He seems to have good leader qualities.

lordHokage
April 08, 2007, 05:51 PM
Come on people, don't be that angry, It is Sasuke's time to shine. - I see a future where naruto will redeem Sasuke, and where they finally will be equal. It looks like naruto still has a long way to go. - But for me you are forgeting what this manga is about: not really power, but determination and morals: kakashi was powerful when he was twelve, but he needed obito, the "looser" to give him something to live for and to believe...It doesn't make kakashi pathetic, it makes him more complete. And i expect that it will be the same thing for sasuke


The god of lightning has been shining since the beginning of this series and will continue to shine. As for the god of lightning and the god of wind becoming equal, it would never happen, because Kishimoto states the facts, wind would always be superior to lightning. And lastly, this manga is all about Uzumaki Naruto. Obito was never a loser, Kakashi was.

bighawke5
April 08, 2007, 05:58 PM
[QUOTE=Karma;358303]There are a lot of things people not taking in consideration in this manga. Well, Sasuke is all ways shown as the flashy person. Naruto all ways comes out victorious in the end and surprise sasuke & is viewers.

So what I

bighawke5
April 08, 2007, 06:21 PM
Come on people, don't be that angry, It is Sasuke's time to shine. After all, we have seen Naruto defeat an Akatsuki member(even if naruto's new power seems to make elite S class shinobi forget to use their techniques/their brain to avoid such powerful techniques as the fuuton rasengan)
So what did sasuke do since we first saw him:-he made Sai fall on his butt with only his sharingan, inspiring fear to someone who didn't even know what fear was(pretty impressive, and pretty useful in a fight if you can make such an emotionless shinobi useless for a few seconds)
-he numbed Yamato using his chidori nagashi, a pretty useful lighting technique which could be used as an "ultimate defense" again taijutsu users: if they can't touch you without being disabled, they certainly don't risk defeating you
-he demonstrated insane speed, surprising Sakura(I know, I thought it was not that amazing, but then I remembered she had been taught how to dodge by Tsunade herself, and that it was an essential part of her training...so surprising someone who has been taught how to avoid attacks is quite amazing)
-he demonstrated it again by decimating a cursed seal stage 2 user(And remember guy, orochimaru gave him this seal, and the snake sannin was definitly not attracted to weaklings: so it is ridiculous to argue that we don't know his level at all: he obviously was no genin)
-he anihilated more than an hundred shinobis(grown ups, so they were probably no genins), without breaking a sweat, without killing them, without even being stained by blood
-he defeated orochimaru in his own dimension, demonstrating he probably masters his sharingan now.
-his sword of lightning definetly looked like a form and nature chakra manipulation to me.

So we have tangible, solid facts who demonstrate Sasuke's growth. And the fact that he is able to control suigetsu and karin makes me believe that they know they should not cross him.
We didn't have such facts for naruto yet. He is impressive in" Kyubi 4 tails mode" but he looses any capacity for rational thoughts in the process, which is less impressive.
And his new ultimate rasengan is not that useful: after all, 99% of the ninjas would be done for with the normal rasengan...
I see a future where naruto will redeem Sasuke, and where they finally will be equal. I certainly can't conceive naruto anihilating sasuke with super powers he doesn't have.
..and for the moment, It looks like naruto still has a long way to go. But for me you are forgeting what this manga is about: not really power, but determination and morals: kakashi was powerful when he was twelve, but he needed obito, the "looser" to give him something to live for and to believe...It doesn't make kakashi pathetic, it makes him more complete. And i expect that it will be the same thing for sasuke

u said the snake sanin was not attracted to weaklings then why o why did he has captives in that lil jail cell of his that when u look at u know they arent even the levels of chunnins...lok at the jail cell where suigetsu free the guys and told them to tell everyone that sasuke was going to save the world....those guys are just villagers used for his experiments ...now im not gonna say they stay weak after the experiment but the guys in that jail cell arent even to the lvls of the sound 4 who were also defeated by konoha's genins
anyway that guy was killed by sasuke because he was a weakling its like putting cs2 sasuke from when he was 12 with sasuke normal with sharing as he is now u get disaster as sasuke of now would easily obliterate the old cs2 sasuke without even going cs. both in taijutsu gengutsu and ninjutsu.

next u pointed out yamato being stabbed and paralyzed then how come he was able to do that mokuton jutsu and move his hands and try to attack sasuke...i'm pretty sure that the move dont work against experienced guys like yamato

u said he surprised sakura...duh!!! in the wonderful world of naruto if u havent been watching it or reading it...ppl like neji, rock lee and gai sensei and kakashi and sasuke are considered the fastest...besides them they are itachi..kisame..and so far kakuzu...now from the names i said did u hear sakura?? no and im pretty sure all the guys i mentioned also have been told how to avoid attacks as they are vicious in taijutsu.

now to the next thing u said
ok so u thin the guy sasuke defeated was at like kimimaro's lv...lmao u funny i would give him around the sound 4 lvs since we all know kimimaro was praised just as sasuke is by ORO and they were his top dogs not that guy that sasuke killed without going cs...if he was strong im sure sasuke wouldve gone cs b4 doing so and u know that from his confrontation with oro or any other strong guys he was getting ready to fight...now u also know at the levels the sound 4 were they weresnt as strong as kimimaro and even feared him..u also know that sasuke's at least stronger than kimimaro since he got sharingan so whats there to it...he'll definetly own a guy in CS2 thats around the sound 4's lvls

now the shinobis he defeated we dont know their lvs so i'm not going to get too deep into this but we know that they arent kakashi's lv not to say the sanins lv or sasuke wouldve at least been scathed so that feat doesnt prove his strength either until kishi says they were at kakashi or yamato's lv or higher lmao.. case closed made my point

Omi
April 08, 2007, 06:28 PM
Im pretty sure he said something along the lines of "I'll bring you back as a bloody stump if I have to." In the end he was pretty willing to hurt sauske. He just lost, stop making excuses.

He said that before they had their talk after which it was a normal fight. In the end he opted to defeat Sasuke by scratching his head band rather than injuring Sasuke (based on Sasuke's words at the beginning of the final part of the fight). i.e. Naruto won the fight the way he defined it. Sasuke won the who stays conscious longest battle.

hurotias66
April 08, 2007, 06:48 PM
I never said Sasuke was a god, nor that naruto was destined to be inferior. I just reacted to those who don't seem able to accept that there is a great chance they will end up as equal(but naruto probably is going to be Hokage, so he will be the greatest on paper).

Next u pointed out yamato being stabbed and paralyzed then how come he was able to do that mokuton jutsu and move his hands and try to attack sasuke...i'm pretty sure that the move dont work against experienced guys like yamato=>This move seems to work as soon as you touch him, seems pretty efficient to me. And I never said that the chidori nagashi cripples ninjas forever; but in the world of ninjas, if you're disabled for even a few seconds, you're in serious trouble, hence the use of this move.

Your point on sakura is valid, but I emphatized the fact that she had been specially trained to avoid attacks. Neji and co are fighters, they are the damage dealers whereas she absolutly must avoid damages and has been extensively trained to do so. So I still think it is relevant when this kind of shinobi is surprised by another ninja's speed. By the way, Sasuke only needed one month to obtein the speed rock lee had worked years to obtein(with the restriction of his stamina of course)...seems pretty obvious to me that his actual speed must be pretty high, and the clues Kishimoto gave us are all consistent on that.

regarding Orochimaru's experiments, your point are valid. But rememeber that Karin expressed concerns about the safety of "team sasuke" regarding the possible encouters they could make in this hideout. So It seems fair to assume all these shinobis are no weaklings. I didn't make any assumption regarding this CS guy, only that he obviously was not genin level, and I don't exactly know Kimimaro's level(and I never even mentioned it :) )
But it would seem logical to me that you don't give CS to civilian without any talent or abilities. After all CS kills the weaks when it is given. And this guy commited a slaughter empaired with chains and this kind of stuff. So yeah, forgive me to be a little impressed if he gets totally owned without even getting the chance to fight!


Finally, we don't seem to have the same view of what is special: when I see a shinobi who single-handledly defeats 100 in a battle, I tend to consider the guy as gifted, especially when he is unscathed...
ah and before I forget: when i meant "it's time for sasuke to shine", i didn't meant it as "we never get the chance to see a cool sasuke in action" but as: it has been a long time since we see him for more than one or two chapters. He is the best friend of the hero, and one of his goal, so It seems normal for me to see a bit of his whereabouts.

lordHokage
April 08, 2007, 07:26 PM
I never said Sasuke was a god, nor that naruto was destined to be inferior. I just reacted to those who don't seem able to accept that there is a great chance they will end up as equal(but naruto probably is going to be Hokage, so he will be the greatest on paper).


To some degree they would be equal, but not as shinobis.

ANBU4U
April 08, 2007, 09:45 PM
He said that before they had their talk after which it was a normal fight. In the end he opted to defeat Sasuke by scratching his head band rather than injuring Sasuke (based on Sasuke's words at the beginning of the final part of the fight). i.e. Naruto won the fight the way he defined it. Sasuke won the who stays conscious longest battle.

I suppose thats a matter of opinion.

I prefer to go by this.

Narutos Objective: Bringing Sauske back against his will. (Failed)

Sauskes Objective: Escaping Konoah for the sound and Orochimaru. (Succeded)

Tho I'm sure Naruto's warm fuzzy feelings were a great consolation.

Oh, And Naruto held back and scratched sauskes forhead, Sauske held back and didnt impale him. Its impossible to say who was stronger, but its easy to say who won.

bighawke5
April 08, 2007, 09:58 PM
I never said Sasuke was a god, nor that naruto was destined to be inferior. I just reacted to those who don't seem able to accept that there is a great chance they will end up as equal(but naruto probably is going to be Hokage, so he will be the greatest on paper).

Next u pointed out yamato being stabbed and paralyzed then how come he was able to do that mokuton jutsu and move his hands and try to attack sasuke...i'm pretty sure that the move dont work against experienced guys like yamato=>This move seems to work as soon as you touch him, seems pretty efficient to me. And I never said that the chidori nagashi cripples ninjas forever; but in the world of ninjas, if you're disabled for even a few seconds, you're in serious trouble, hence the use of this move.

Your point on sakura is valid, but I emphatized the fact that she had been specially trained to avoid attacks. Neji and co are fighters, they are the damage dealers whereas she absolutly must avoid damages and has been extensively trained to do so. So I still think it is relevant when this kind of shinobi is surprised by another ninja's speed. By the way, Sasuke only needed one month to obtein the speed rock lee had worked years to obtein(with the restriction of his stamina of course)...seems pretty obvious to me that his actual speed must be pretty high, and the clues Kishimoto gave us are all consistent on that.

regarding Orochimaru's experiments, your point are valid. But rememeber that Karin expressed concerns about the safety of "team sasuke" regarding the possible encouters they could make in this hideout. So It seems fair to assume all these shinobis are no weaklings. I didn't make any assumption regarding this CS guy, only that he obviously was not genin level, and I don't exactly know Kimimaro's level(and I never even mentioned it :) )
But it would seem logical to me that you don't give CS to civilian without any talent or abilities. After all CS kills the weaks when it is given. And this guy commited a slaughter empaired with chains and this kind of stuff. So yeah, forgive me to be a little impressed if he gets totally owned without even getting the chance to fight!


Finally, we don't seem to have the same view of what is special: when I see a shinobi who single-handledly defeats 100 in a battle, I tend to consider the guy as gifted, especially when he is unscathed...
ah and before I forget: when i meant "it's time for sasuke to shine", i didn't meant it as "we never get the chance to see a cool sasuke in action" but as: it has been a long time since we see him for more than one or two chapters. He is the best friend of the hero, and one of his goal, so It seems normal for me to see a bit of his whereabouts.

I agree wit ur post but there's a few things i got to mention..
true i'm sure sakura has been thought on how to dodge and avoid attacks just like the others i mentioned have ...there's no special dodging skills she's been though or special ways to avoid that she's been thought...just usual taijutsu based defense and how to improve her reflex to those of actuall taijutsu fighters as she's not or at least wasnt a taijutsu person we all know that. so thats y i pointed out that if anyone should be surprised its her. i mean the others i mentioned have basically trained on taijutsu purely and did other things as side things to enriched their all around shinobi arts neji is a taijutsu specialist like lee so if someone has been tought on how to dodge like hell it would be lee since thats all he can do to protect himself.

next the thing about sasuke's speed i never said he was slow in fact i posted something earlier bout his speed and how he uses his chakra well in his footing which makes him fast but has a drawback which u know (stamina...unlike naruto)

anyhow at the chunnin exams yea sasuke had attained lee's speed but for how many seconds did he use it? i'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say for how many minutes... he can use lee's speed but not for long. but yea i do agree wit u sasuke's speed's pretty high but when going against kyuubi naruto i wonder how he'll do since im pretty sure naruto got a lil quicker at least in his kyuubi form (not tail form)

The way he used "Shunshin no Jutsu" or watever..the move thats used to move over long distances in a short time i think its english name is "body flicker" anyhow naruto used it on chapter 276 (read pg 17-18) on deidara...its a move sasuke does often but naruto only does it in his kyuubi form since that form gives him more speed. i'm pretty sure naruto can keep up this time around but well see as when they both meet they'll both be well prepared for each other and as it looks kishi keeps making each one of them look incredibly stronger by making them kill pp that have more experience than them so their fight should be interesting.

about the oro's experiments well i didnt mean that these guys were weak and i do agree that u gotta be strong to be given the cursed seal. but let me elaborate on the "curse seal kills weak guys part"
Orichimaru commonly uses cursed seals on his most powerful followers. Orichimaru bites to give that seal. The seal then appears somewhere on the user's body, and they subsequently lose consciousness. Sometime later, SHOULD THEY SURVIVE, they will awaken with the first level of the seal active and more than likely somewhat enraged. The seals work by forcibly drawing chakra from the user's body, giving the user a chakra capacity beyond what they would normally be capable of when the seal is active, as well as increased physical performance as a result of the increased chakra capacity.

ok now that i explained it the thing is thatu got to assume the guys he pick for his curse seals arent weak, but arent necessaryly strong depending on urs and my definition of strong. now there's a problem with success rate much like they way oro was cloning the 1st hokage's cells and only one survived and its Yamato....yea the thing is oro's experiments go bad so that problem exists. so sasuke, anko kimimaro, the guys that just died in the hands of sasuke, the sound 4 and juugo are so far the only ppl that survived it that we know of correct me if im wrong. oro himself in the early chapters of the first part of naruto said that if sasuke SURVIVED after he bit him then he would come looking for him for power. and that only a few of those bitten live...he gave an extimate in percentage i think or something along these lines. so u see its not "if u weak, u die, after getting the cursed seal" its "if u lucky, u live, and get stronger" if not u die...so its a double edge sword...lol

now the kimimaro thing and sound 4 if u dont know kimimaro u should check out the earlier manga back from part one (sasuke's retreival arc) thats where they introduced and talk bout kimimaro and the sound 4. i would prefer the anime as its animated but yeah the manga is more cannon sometimes...anihow sasuke's speed and taijutsu and attitude are pretty much kimimaro in the anime and manga except kimimaro doesnt have the sharingan and didn't kill ORO...lol anyhow the sound 4 when u see how they played with sasuke back then like a toy u would understand their strength then when they talk about kimimaro u should understand the guys on a totally diff lv plus when u see him in action.

Thing is (and this to explain y i said that CS guy wasn't that impressive) if u watched the sound 4 in action and look at this gruesome cs guy that was just killed...they pretty much the same grunts....on the same lvs when they go CS...and sasuke now is better than he was then so he could kill the sound four pretty much the same way he killed that guy...in one swipe like that since he's better now and we all know that thats y we cant get too excited over this feat as we knew he was better than this guys and this guy was another grunt at the lv of the sound 4 at best.
now iT were kimimaro finished by sasuke in one swipe like that then i would be astonished...lol

Yondaime-Uzumaki
April 08, 2007, 10:00 PM
why dont we stop talking about who won and who losed betwen sasuke and naruto Or wondering who's the strongest one :( .

I have a suggestion , why not simply wait for their NEXT fight to know for sure who got stronger .;)

Howsome chapter by the way i cant wait to see how kishi will draw juugo

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bighawke5
April 08, 2007, 10:06 PM
why cant we stop talking bout who's stronger??? bcuz ....

1....kishi never makes it clear...as if a fan comes and say sasuke's stronger and has fact to back it up and proof another fan this time a naruto fan will come up with proof and fact to back it up

2....we each like one as a favorite

3...plot device.....again kishi's fault....well make sasuke uber powerful by doing something major and the same for naruto too but the two major things that they both did will differ making fans flame each other lmao...lol its good though gives some somethin to do when angry at him...lol

Yondaime-Uzumaki
April 08, 2007, 10:58 PM
why cant we stop talking bout who's stronger??? bcuz ....

1....kishi never makes it clear...as if a fan comes and say sasuke's stronger and has fact to back it up and proof another fan this time a naruto fan will come up with proof and fact to back it up

2....we each like one as a favorite

3...plot device.....again kishi's fault....well make sasuke uber powerful by doing something major and the same for naruto too but the two major things that they both did will differ making fans flame each other lmao...lol its good though gives some somethin to do when angry at him...lol


Well my Guess is...wich i've been having since The begining of NARUTO , is that Kishimoto will allways show us Sasuke with ubber strength since he's and will always be naruto's Ultimate rival. 'I' think its to show us how naruto his improving throught the manga . Its not fun to have a hero who pown every single enemy who stands in his way .

Besides the show isnt call Naruto for nothing . he's just a kid who's about to Discover his real strength and he's about to discover to discover who he really is. i mean that's the whole point of this serie , its about fallowing a young man's journey to become hokage and being hokage means to be the strongest man in your village.

i see it like goku and vegeta , they got the same relationship . one will always want to prove he's the strongest and have a high self estime ,while the other will be friendly and will gain strenght because he wants to protect his friends .

I'm not a anti-sasuke and i'll never be . cause those two's relationship is what make this show NARUTO . And remenber we still have to see naruto's true strenght , just like goku he never show off , but when comes the time to protect his friends and close ones that's when we'll see naruto's True strenght , remenber when he fought Garra to protect sakura ?

But i sure hope kishi knows what he's doing at this point i'm not sure , but after all the manga's his. lets just enjoy what he gives us. we cant change what he wrote .:p

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Karma
April 08, 2007, 11:06 PM
Well my Guess is...wich i've been having since The begining of NARUTO , is that Kishimoto will allways show us Sasuke with ubber strength since he's and will always be naruto's Ultimate rival. 'I' think its to show us how naruto his improving throught the manga . Its not fun to have a hero who pown every single enemy who stands in his way .

Besides the show isnt call Naruto for nothing . he's just a kid who's about to Discover his real strength and he's about to discover to discover who he really is. i mean that's the whole point of this serie , its about fallowing a young man's journey to become hokage and being hokage means to be the strongest man in your village.

i see it like goku and vegeta , they got the same relationship . one will always want to prove he's the strongest and have a high self estime ,while the other will be friendly and will gain strenght because he wants to protect his friends .

I'm not a anti-sasuke and i'll never be . cause those two's relationship is what make this show NARUTO . And remenber we still have to see naruto true strenght , just like goku he never show off , but when comes the time to protect his and close ones that's when we'll naruto's True strenght , remenber when he fought Garra to protect sakura ?

But i sure hope kishi knows what he's doing at this point i'm not sure , but after all the manga's his. lets just enjoy what gives us. we cant change what he wrote .:p

agree. with you... Because i feel naruto true strenght is yet to reveal..

GrayFoxx
April 08, 2007, 11:28 PM
agree. with you... Because i feel naruto true strenght is yet to reveal..

I also TOTALLY agree, as the main character he sure is something. :)

bighawke5
April 09, 2007, 12:36 AM
agree. with you... Because i feel naruto true strenght is yet to reveal..

yup i always stand by that also and just like yamato said i believe he knows or has seen a new naruto at the end of their training one that has yet to battle at full strength without kyubi after kakshi's training.

i'm sure after he heals his arm u'll see how he fights diff and all or wats changed about him after that training but he's still getting better as kakashi says do you see sasuske "ur still right in front of his eyes"

ornis
April 09, 2007, 01:06 AM
Damn bighawke5 and Karma: you all know how to work a conversation, good points.

And I still think Naruto will be stronger than Sasuke in the end.

It's realy like a distraction, these last few chapters... all together, they show a powerful Sasuke and probably hint to his true goal... but moreover they don't focus on the strength Naruto has.

They are showing the "golden child" and yet Naruto is more forsaken, more humble, and more valuable---and Naruto's such a larger man at heart that he wants to save a friend that isn't even as promising as Naruto is now (Naruto's a jinchuuriki; is to be considered a hero for bearing a demon according to Yondy; has no family history we know of and yet does not cry about it or seek retribution for its absence; fights headstrong for his friend even when the friend belittles him; and influenced his "lost" friend into not killing Konoha's living sacrifce)

Naruto's even more destructive, though for constructive purposes (he wanted to save Sasuke not kill him, though the battle wrecked havoc on sasuke's normal body: he wasted all that stamina and chakra and even coughed pretty well on all fours after using both the dragon flame jutsu and the falcon drop and everything before in the Valley of the End.... it also hurt Sasuke's pride to me ( he had to use CS which is an expensive trick, emotionally, mentally, physically, and spiritually)

bighawke5
April 09, 2007, 02:00 AM
Damn bighawke5 and Karma: you all know how to work a conversation, good points.

And I still think Naruto will be stronger than Sasuke in the end.

It's realy like a distraction, these last few chapters... all together, they show a powerful Sasuke and probably hint to his true goal... but moreover they don't focus on the strength Naruto has.

They are showing the "golden child" and yet Naruto is more forsaken, more humble, and more valuable---and Naruto's such a larger man at heart that he wants to save a friend that isn't even as promising as Naruto is now (Naruto's a jinchuuriki; is to be considered a hero for bearing a demon according to Yondy; has no family history we know of and yet does not cry about it or seek retribution for its absence; fights headstrong for his friend even when the friend belittles him; and influenced his "lost" friend into not killing Konoha's living sacrifce)

Naruto's even more destructive, though for constructive purposes (he wanted to save Sasuke not kill him, though the battle wrecked havoc on sasuke's normal body: he wasted all that samina and chakra and even coughed pretty well on all fours after using both the dragon flame jutsu and the falcon drop and everything before in the Valley of the End.... it also hurt Sasuke's pride to me ( he had to use CS which is an expensive trick, emotionally, mentally, physically, and spiritually)

true that figth proved to sasuke that naruto was his equal but he still had to break his bonds with him to get even stronger and thats why when they met again he told naruto that "if he had all that time looking around for him, he should have instead been training to become hokage" bcuz this time around he was ready to not hold back like they both did at the valley's end with their last blow. to me neither of them won at the valley's end if u look at it from a "who killed who perspective" since no one was dead...even if u look at it from a a belief point of view sasuke did break his bonds with his best friend so he won that but naruto also won in that he was still alive and is still getting stronger bcuz of sasuke and will be able to bring him back someday like he always promised or said or at least be his equal which he established already at the valleys end.

when naruto passed out it was due to being punched instead of scratched like sasuke was...of course sasuke didn't use chidori in the punch and naruto did use rasengan in the scratch on his forehead but the fact still is that they were at their limits and it would take just a simple powered punch to take both out and if both had punched each other at the time they held back (and this is my belief) they would have both fainted not only one. but lol i dont make the storyline lol that ending was much like when gaara and naruto fight when they both after an extensive fight gave the exact finishing blows to each other....there was no gaara getting up and naruto passing out or the other way around...no...they were both lying on the ground pretty much f-d up..lol so yea i better stop b4 getting into the physics of how a punch is stronger than a scratch and how u can pass out from a punch but not from a scratch lmao.

blueangelx
April 09, 2007, 03:16 AM
wow still so much debate about sasuke vs naruto...
haha... this chapter was hilarious... doesnt suigetsu know the circumstances behind sasuke's "captivity" to orochimaru? n he goes on saying anyone who offers himself willingly is retarded lol... sasuke's expression at this point... rofl... lucky suigetsu is still needed lol

tricel
April 09, 2007, 05:00 AM
it's how i see naruto manga ending. naruto sacrifice himself again for the unkown times,he's been sacrifice by the 4th hokage to konoha's safety since birth to begin with. w/o even bothering to think about the future of the kid his sacrificing..,not even making sure that naruto will get adopted and be cared of. by hmm, maybe kakashi, or jiraiya.
for the record shikamaru and his team's decision to hunt hidan and kakuzu is not a supposed to be "genius " smartest decision.luckily kakashi saves them so many times in that chp/vol. and in the end yamato's team saved them from kakuzu's hand.
being the container of kyubbi..,i think it's bound to happen in the end. that will make this manga even more exciting b/c hopefully sasuke will annihilate all akatsuki members,and defeat kyubbi if it's sucked out of naruto's body.., he's the stongest character that kishimoto developes to counter all adversity w/o giving him side effect for his own actions.(cursed seal) he even make sasuke controll/absorb orochimaru inside his body.maybe he can do the snake abilities now that he has oro. i hope so coz won't sasuke be more cooler if he can do what oro used to do before.
sasuke will shine even more if he has he's own manga starrer in the sequel.w/ all the gods he can defeat by his awesome power just by staring at it and drawing his sword.
come on.., it's a good ending. sasuke will have all the glory and happiness he needed all his life. he get's to kill his brother in the end.have a very peacefull and loving enviroment along with his new founded clan. a hokage perhaps to lead the village to extreme prosperity.well i just hope that he'll remember naruto's affection for him and visits his grave.
that's just my opinion and i don't mean to offend people by reading my post. don't read it if it will make your blood pressure high.
also i hope kishimoto san will make the other rookie9 shine like sasuke in the next chapters. im very eager to know more about the character develoment of neji,lee,shino,kiba,hinata,tenten b/coz they're the future of konoha village,of course i also want to know how gaara become sand's kazekage.

ornis
April 09, 2007, 08:08 AM
@ tricel: you know I thought about Naruto dying for the village and receiving an honorary Hokage title for it... but that's in the Toshokan (Konoha: a calm front? why? why not?)

@ blueangelx: I thought a lot of things in the chap were hilarious :P Suigetsu and Karin included ;)

laughing@you
April 09, 2007, 08:19 AM
The 4th Hokage & Naruto of to be from the same Bloodline. Its not hard to see that. So naruto must inherit some thing from that Bloodline. My theory: The fourth Speed is what everyone from Naruto bloodline got and Kakashi know. so i can see Kakashi telling naruto about that speed he has inside of him and he only need to unlock it.

You still don't have the facts to support that theory!! :P

Anyhow is true what you said the CS works better with bloodline ppl cuz it allows them to use their current powers or abilities, longer and more stronger. My point is even kimimaru had to use his CS to handle the sound 4, sasuke barely made an effort with this guy.

On another subject, I wonder if kishimoto will do some spin control and actually establish that sasuke pushed everybody away so they wouldn't get hurt. (His real friends I mean).
I still don't get why kishimoto doesn't make sasuke to pick up naruto. He knows itachi after naruto, why not making him part of his group so itachi goes after him, like bait. Maybe after he picks up juugo, he will infiltrate konoha to capture naruto, so itachi goes after him. But that would be bad cuz he would make enemies of konoha and the Sand village. I hope kishi has a good story under his sleeves!!!

ornis
April 09, 2007, 08:31 AM
Sasuke, take Naruto....with him? Akatsuki would be over his ass pretty quick! I hope that doesn't happen cause then it'd be a chance for Sasuke to get really humble, really fast--the child's not ready to me, NOT READY FOR THAT GLORY!

EDIT < *actually, I'm kinda thinking Sasuke wants to talk to Kyuubi about his blood but Naruto might get abducted by Akatsuki--still, Naruto would never be asked to join Sasuke's team to me. He'll just be used to get Konoha's attention and for sasu to talk to the Kyuubi* >

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Maybe losing isn't all glorious, but facing Akatsuki right now, to me, when the best players have still held off would be blinding yourself to the freaking sun... I'll take that pun.

Those not revealed (AL, Blue-hairy) and holding off (Deidara, Kisame, Itachi, Zetsu..., Tobi ) should be the best if Kakuzu and Hidan can fail so well... though it took a bunch of chakra and two teams to defeat them. But Kakuzu looked like an ass when he went straight for the clone and not for every Naruto vessel runnin' around I mean my view of the battle before it ended was spectacular. I still have it in a notebook around here
*searches a drawer; ruffles some paper*

*Did I say Tobi... well, maybe Tobi. Don't know that much about him. All the others are great tacticians. I'll explain why later*

GrayFoxx
April 09, 2007, 09:09 AM
I like Tobi, altough he is probably weak he made Akatsuki look funny. Maybe he is Naruto type, clumsy but powerfull, who knows...

tricel
April 09, 2007, 09:10 AM
God damnit, people like you, tricel, piss me off to no end. The same thing happened in the last arc when Kishi took the spot light off of Naruto, "OH!!11 HE SHOULD cHaNgE his MANGA TO SHIKAMARU!!!!1111 ROFLCOPTER" *rolls eyes* Oh damn you Kishi for developing other characters! God damn you to hell!

actually it's no longer about sasuke's character development..,or sasuke's hidden agenda by forming his current team..,it's about "naruto's lack of character/progress develoment!
i wouldn't really mind to make sasuke shine like this and have this awesome godly powers if kishimoto san is not hindering naruto's progress too much by prohibiting him to use kyubbis chackra and wasting his training day's by making a jutsu that cannot be use in battle b/coz of it's double edge misadvantage like rasen shuriken.
i'm reading naruto so is it really too much for me to want to know more about "NARUTO" and his "FAMILY lineage & traits" ..,in fact i also want to know more about naruto's 2 1/2 yrs. of training w/ jiraiya.
i'm a fan of "NARUTO" manga so is it really too much for me to wish that kishimoto san would give us a glimpse of naruto's background,and for him to show us some more progress not only in naruto's character maturity/ability but also making him more worthy of being the "main character" of this manga than just being his usual role of giving us comic relief,the shock absorber of so many serious moments by doing silly things .

moscovite999
April 09, 2007, 09:41 AM
It's a good idea to zoom on Sasuke and his team. It's better than fighting a new member of Akatsuki... again and again until the figt againt the big boss!

ANBU4U
April 09, 2007, 02:00 PM
The 4th Hokage & Naruto of to be from the same Bloodline. Its not hard to see that. So naruto must inherit some thing from that Bloodline. My theory: The fourth Speed is what everyone from Naruto bloodline got and Kakashi know. so i can see Kakashi telling naruto about that speed he has inside of him and he only need to unlock it.

That wasnt an abilitiy...it was a technique. It wasnt speed....it was self-summoning. The guy used a seal to teleport....do you understand? It wasnt genetic...it was like any other jutsu just realllly hard. And as far as we know a 4th Hokage original.

If naruto learns he'll be taught. It wont be in his blood.

Kishi has already all but ruined the "loser kid who becomes strong without an advanced bloodline" angle by making the kyuubi and naruto's chakra one in the same. If he gives Naruto a bloodline limit whats the point? Naruto wont be some loser that became hokage....he'll be the clumsy, late blooming kid from the an advanced bloodline that became hokage....which is far less impressive. Why? We'll because he'd be from an advanced bloodline, and they're all SUPPOSED to be amazing. Wasnt Naruto supposed to be about some no talent loser?

Yondaime-Uzumaki
April 09, 2007, 02:21 PM
I like Tobi, altough he is probably weak he made Akatsuki look funny. Maybe he is Naruto type, clumsy but powerfull, who knows...

yes Looks can be deciving... to be in Akakatsuki It takes special abilties . I Wonder what lies behind tha Mask of his . Plus I like his personality he changes the hostile atmospher that reigns between Akatuki menbers.

Him and Zetsu are my favorite caracters in Akatsuki their Mysterious...

GrayFoxx
April 09, 2007, 02:37 PM
That wasnt an abilitiy...it was a technique. It wasnt speed....it was self-summoning. The guy used a seal to teleport....do you understand? It wasnt genetic...it was like any other jutsu just realllly hard. And as far as we know a 4th Hokage original.
WTF ! ! ! You mean that Yondaime wasn't so fast, it was a jutsu !? Where the hell is it said that it was some kind of teleportation ?? L.O.L. ! ! ! I read all the manga so far and somehow I didn't find anything like that. Or maybe it is your own theory ?? Please explain.

GPZrag
April 09, 2007, 02:59 PM
WTF ! ! ! You mean that Yondaime wasn't so fast, it was a jutsu !? Where the hell is it said that it was some kind of teleportation ?? L.O.L. ! ! ! I read all the manga so far and somehow I didn't find anything like that. Or maybe it is your own theory ?? Please explain.

well the manga itself explained that very well, the "hirashin no jutsu" a.k.a. "teletransportation technique" was a SELF SUMMONING jutsu however because its use and the "originality" not to mention how hard could it be to come out with that... that jutsu was ranked as an S lvl jutsu on the other hand Yondaime was TOO DAMN FAST besides his teltransportation technique he used his "sunshin no jutsu" wich its a D ranked jutsu however i think the way he "mastered" it made yondaime a "flash god" ninja.. ^^

P.S.: in my own opinion i think that the teltransportation technique its just TOO POWERFUL its like and "absolute" technique.... however had you ever wonder that if "summoning" requires the blood of the user as an exchange for the summon what will it be in the case of hirashin?

lordHokage
April 09, 2007, 03:16 PM
well the manga itself explained that very well, the "hirashin no jutsu" a.k.a. "teletransportation technique" was a SELF SUMMONING jutsu however because its use and the "originality" not to mention how hard could it be to come out with that... that jutsu was ranked as an S lvl jutsu on the other hand Yondaime was TOO DAMN FAST besides his teltransportation technique he used his "sunshin no jutsu" wich its a D ranked jutsu however i think the way he "mastered" it made yondaime a "flash god" ninja.. ^^

P.S.: in my own opinion i think that the teltransportation technique its just TOO POWERFUL its like and "absolute" technique.... however had you ever wonder that if "summoning" requires the blood of the user as an exchange for the summon what will it be in the case of hirashin?


Very interesting opinion. I would not be surprise if that jutsu is somehow connected to the death god.

GrayFoxx
April 09, 2007, 04:20 PM
well the manga itself explained that very well, the "hirashin no jutsu" a.k.a. "teletransportation technique" was a SELF SUMMONING jutsu however because its use and the "originality" not to mention how hard could it be to come out with that... that jutsu was ranked as an S lvl jutsu on the other hand Yondaime was TOO DAMN FAST besides his teltransportation technique he used his "sunshin no jutsu" wich its a D ranked jutsu however i think the way he "mastered" it made yondaime a "flash god" ninja.. ^^

P.S.: in my own opinion i think that the teltransportation technique its just TOO POWERFUL its like and "absolute" technique.... however had you ever wonder that if "summoning" requires the blood of the user as an exchange for the summon what will it be in the case of hirashin?

I see. Seems that i missed that xD

bighawke5
April 09, 2007, 04:47 PM
You still don't have the facts to support that theory!! :P

Anyhow is true what you said the CS works better with bloodline ppl cuz it allows them to use their current powers or abilities, longer and more stronger. My point is even kimimaru had to use his CS to handle the sound 4, sasuke barely made an effort with this guy.

On another subject, I wonder if kishimoto will do some spin control and actually establish that sasuke pushed everybody away so they wouldn't get hurt. (His real friends I mean).
I still don't get why kishimoto doesn't make sasuke to pick up naruto. He knows itachi after naruto, why not making him part of his group so itachi goes after him, like bait. Maybe after he picks up juugo, he will infiltrate konoha to capture naruto, so itachi goes after him. But that would be bad cuz he would make enemies of konoha and the Sand village. I hope kishi has a good story under his sleeves!!!

its not y doesnt sasuke pick up naruto, its can he do it. i'm sure his crew and himself are strong but konoha isnt some kind of day care with 2 women guarding the babies. i'm pretty sure that ppl wont just sit around and let him abduct naruto and with the 2 SANNINS and kakashi plus yamato that could be there i dont think sasuke's team can unless ur a fanboy and totally forget what we know of konoha's elites that i just listed and a few others i might have forgotten.

Anyhow if i seem to remember back in the earliy chapters the elders wanted more security and restrictions around naruto but the 5th denied it saying she would risk her own life in the case something where to happen to him...since she wants him to live his life of ninja and become hokage. anyhow i'm sure unlike gaara's case that konoha cares a lil more for naruto as a jinchuriki....well the jounins and above at least and well stop at nothing to protect him. so it cant be an easy task for sasuke....if anyone can do that its ITACHI AND kisame, and tobi plus Akatsuki leader...at least these can prove trouble for konoha and naruto.

ANBU4U
April 09, 2007, 04:58 PM
WTF ! ! ! You mean that Yondaime wasn't so fast, it was a jutsu !? Where the hell is it said that it was some kind of teleportation ?? L.O.L. ! ! ! I read all the manga so far and somehow I didn't find anything like that. Or maybe it is your own theory ?? Please explain.

The Wiki articles on naruto are all very well done and objective. They'll have all the information you need, along with page refrences so you can confirm the information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki
Enjoy

GrayFoxx
April 09, 2007, 05:01 PM
Thank you kind Sir :)

THETRUTH.com
April 09, 2007, 06:47 PM
Foxxy here is another link their info. comes from databooks.

http://www.leafninja.com/ninjutsu-05.php

It wasnt really explained in the chapters if I remember correctly. The jutsu was just used and Rin made a statement about it. Most of what everyone knows comes from databook.

GrayFoxx
April 09, 2007, 06:53 PM
Your all very friendly aren't you xD ?? but i don't really need all those informations. It's true that i had no Idea that the 4th had some kind of teleportation technique, but i read those chapters a long time ago, that's why i didn't know that. Anyway i REALLY appreciate your help .

bloodrage
April 09, 2007, 07:00 PM
this chapter was crap gained nothing from it if kishimoto wants to give the readers information he can do it in a faster way waiting so long for a chapter and it is like i read one page of a book and we all know that karin is gonna pull the door of juugo cell then he and karin will fight for a little while and that will showcase both of there abilitys killing two birds with one stone bahh the next chapter better be good.

kamendex
April 09, 2007, 10:10 PM
well the manga itself explained that very well, the "hirashin no jutsu" a.k.a. "teletransportation technique" was a SELF SUMMONING jutsu however because its use and the "originality" not to mention how hard could it be to come out with that... that jutsu was ranked as an S lvl jutsu on the other hand Yondaime was TOO DAMN FAST besides his teltransportation technique he used his "sunshin no jutsu" wich its a D ranked jutsu however i think the way he "mastered" it made yondaime a "flash god" ninja.. ^^

P.S.: in my own opinion i think that the teltransportation technique its just TOO POWERFUL its like and "absolute" technique.... however had you ever wonder that if "summoning" requires the blood of the user as an exchange for the summon what will it be in the case of hirashin?



I dont think it requires blood.

To summon animals blood is used to seal the contract and sacrifice to summon the animal.

But he summons himself, so why sacrifice to himself :D


He used hiraishin and thats how he got the nickname of the yellow flash

GrayFoxx
April 10, 2007, 11:04 AM
I dont think it requires blood.

To summon animals blood is used to seal the contract and sacrifice to summon the animal.

But he summons himself, so why sacrifice to himself :D

That would be stupid xD

ornis
April 10, 2007, 11:41 AM
Sounds weird here, too. But it adds meat to the "Yondaime's jutsu probably deals with the Death God" idea... wish I could remember who posted that....

Anyhow, it brews a thicker soup of whatever Hiraishin's supposed to taste like. Clearly, it's a summon... at least. >.>

*strange pun there... didn't want that. Here we're discussing what a blood seal's used for, and I wonder what Yondy's jutsu is supposed to "taste" like... weird, by me :p*

*Ah Lord Hokage posted that idea.

Well, come to think of it, the Flying Thunder God Tech and how Naruto could surpass it was (and still can be) discussed in the Toshokan.

Seems like something a bit astray... unless it has more to do with chap 349...

Don't know if I'll get back on that*

GrayFoxx
April 10, 2007, 12:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAIx2Tfasw

I didn't know where to post so here, please watch.

I am crying and Laughing at the same time.

Kusachu
April 10, 2007, 01:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAIx2Tfasw

I didn't know where to post so here, please watch.

I am crying and Laughing at the same time.

Wahaha! That was pretty funny...little tortilla boy...*snort*

Thanks.

lordHokage
April 10, 2007, 01:44 PM
Sounds weird here, too. But it adds meat to the "Yondaime's jutsu probably deals with the Death God" idea... wish I could remember who posted that....

Anyhow, it brews a thicker soup of whatever Hiraishin's supposed to taste like. Clearly, it's a summon... at least. >.>

*strange pun there... didn't want that. Here we're discussing what a blood seal's used for, and I wonder what Yondy's jutsu is supposed to "taste" like... weird, by me :p*

*Ah Lord Hokage posted that idea.

Well, come to think of it, the Flying Thunder God Tech and how Naruto could surpass it was (and still can be) discussed in the Toshokan.

Seems like something a bit astray... unless it has more to do with chap 349...

Don't know if I'll get back on that*


Anything is possible in Naruto’s world.

bighawke5
April 10, 2007, 02:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAIx2Tfasw

I didn't know where to post so here, please watch.

I am crying and Laughing at the same time.

lmao althought very much off topic it was funny nevertheless...(died at the part where maito gai showed up)lmao

laughing@you
April 10, 2007, 02:59 PM
its not y doesnt sasuke pick up naruto, its can he do it. i'm sure his crew and himself are strong but konoha isnt some kind of day care with 2 women guarding the babies. i'm pretty sure that ppl wont just sit around and let him abduct naruto and with the 2 SANNINS and kakashi plus yamato that could be there i dont think sasuke's team can unless ur a fanboy and totally forget what we know of konoha's elites that i just listed and a few others i might have forgotten.

Anyhow if i seem to remember back in the earliy chapters the elders wanted more security and restrictions around naruto but the 5th denied it saying she would risk her own life in the case something where to happen to him...since she wants him to live his life of ninja and become hokage. anyhow i'm sure unlike gaara's case that konoha cares a lil more for naruto as a jinchuriki....well the jounins and above at least and well stop at nothing to protect him. so it cant be an easy task for sasuke....if anyone can do that its ITACHI AND kisame, and tobi plus Akatsuki leader...at least these can prove trouble for konoha and naruto.

:offtopic2 I'm not a fan boy, but kishimoto is a little unpredictable and it has being done before. If oro, kabuto, itachi, kisame and bunch of the country of sound could infiltrate konoha, whats preventing sasuke from doing it to?

You may have 2 sannin but they are not guarding naruto 24/7. Tsunade has her responsibilities to take care of. Jiraiya is MIA, meaning his not in konoha, thats why he left naruto under the care of kakashi. So they don't really cover naruto.

On topic:


Prediction

Sasuke's plan is still to be explained I hope sasuke has to detail it while trying to pull juugo into his group. Plus more light on whats happening with naruto and co.

GrayFoxx
April 10, 2007, 03:15 PM
I think Sasuke doesn't want to be involved with Naruto anymore AT ALL!, thats why he won't abduct him.

Karma
April 10, 2007, 03:21 PM
:offtopic2 I'm not a fan boy, but kishimoto is a little unpredictable and it has being done before. If oro, kabuto, itachi, kisame and bunch of the country of sound could infiltrate konoha, whats preventing sasuke from doing it to?

You may have 2 sannin but they are not guarding naruto 24/7. Tsunade has her responsibilities to take care of. Jiraiya is MIA, meaning his not in konoha, thats why he left naruto under the care of kakashi. So they don't really cover naruto.

On topic:


Prediction

Sasuke's plan is still to be explained I hope sasuke has to detail it while trying to pull juugo into his group. Plus more light on whats happening with naruto and co.
i hope sasuke comes for naruto and knock him out when Naruto isn't expecting it. then he & Naruto train together so they can both protect the leaf village and at the same time get is shot at Itachi..

Because either way it goes. Sasuke can not defeat AK with those member he gather.. So he either trying to wait until Itachi comes for Naruto before he show is self. Just imagine naruto killing itachi in the end. leaving sasuke hating Naruto for killing is brother he want to kill so much. lol