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bax
April 12, 2007, 06:57 AM
The RAW is out ^^ get it HERE (http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11435)


After done downloading and reading the chapter, go ahead and tell us what do you think will happened next? JUst remember, no bashing or spamming ;)

Predict away :amuse

Ninja
April 12, 2007, 08:20 AM
well probably some mini fight between sasuke and Juugo. Juugo's intension to kill will stop when he sees Suigetsu. we will probably learn more secret about the cursel seal.

laughing@you
April 12, 2007, 08:27 AM
I see sasuke needing to use the sharingan on this one in order to calm him.

ninetailfox84
April 12, 2007, 09:00 AM
next chapter will be the fight between sasuke and juugo and jiraiya will talk with naruto about the jutsu naruto have created, the FRS, i bet he will praise naruto for that!!:p

pcxxy
April 12, 2007, 09:09 AM
well, the fight's gonna be inevitable...

it'll be mini yes... and sasuke will win with ease. and then suigetsu returns and joins them with a bit of quarrel. they'll probably join up as a team and sasuke's goal will be revealed... partly or fully.

on the other hand... i still believe Juugo will have lvl3 cursed seal (i mean, he's the legit transformer afterall) but i doubt it'll be shown to us at this moment

Uchiha Slayer
April 12, 2007, 09:42 AM
I see sasuke needing to use the sharingan on this one in order to calm him.


I believe the samething Sasuke will need sharingan...I think Sasuke and Juugo will fight for a little while and then start talking. The seen will also go back to Konoha. More Jiyairia, 5th, Naruto, and Sakura talk. I garentee one thing, the next chapter will have some very interesting conversations in it... I promise that.

SnailBeast
April 12, 2007, 09:56 AM
hmmm... juugo remindes me Hidan... he has the same emotions but without religion base...
and looks like it gonna be something lvl2CS+lvl2sharingan vs lvl3 CS..
Also this fight is the same as fight jinchuuriki vs biju...
IMO there is no way Sasuke can calm him without sharingan...
I dunno if Juugo stronger than Naruto in 4-tailed form?

In the next chapter we gonna see a bit of fight and introdusing of Team Jiraya(Jiraya-leader+Naruto+Sakura+`s mission+ mb kkshi/yamato b/c Naruto needs one of them after all)

ibblows
April 12, 2007, 10:12 AM
i believe that we may see "that jutsu" topic reappear now that jiraiya is back.

lordHokage
April 12, 2007, 10:28 AM
I garentee one thing, the next chapter will have some very interesting conversations in it... I promise that.


I completely agree next chapter would be very interesting indeed.

SnailBeast
April 12, 2007, 10:30 AM
IMO "ono jitsu" is KB4... but... i also interested if I right here... hope, not.

shachi
April 12, 2007, 10:37 AM
With Orochimaru out of the way, one or more of the neighboring countries might plan to invade the Land of Sound/Rice Fields/Whatever. Conflict between them ensues.

laughing@you
April 12, 2007, 10:52 AM
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I dunno if Juugo stronger than Naruto in 4-tailed form?


If he is (doubtful), sasuke has no chance in hell!!! Probably karin who has shown us probably part of her ability gets in the action doing some kind of jutsu to calm juugo, she was in charge of a prision, probably she has crowd controll abilities, but judging by the fact that she didn't use them against all those CS2 users i don't see that happening. I'll have to admit until now IMO she's pretty much as worthless as Sakura was before the time skip!!!

Lucian
April 12, 2007, 10:58 AM
maybe it will involve orochimaru presence too.
because the one whose put the seal to sasuke is oro

and maybe juugo will calm down because sense orochimaru in sasuke

bennibb
April 12, 2007, 11:06 AM
Wel...even though Juugo is the source of CS maybe he dont become a monster. Maybe the monster thingy is couse of the impurity all the other gets???

Anyway. More talk with Naruto I guess now. And ofc a pissed off Sang going to get Karin but stopps when he sees Sasuke fighting. Wanna help. Sasuke says no. Draws out to a stalemate where Juugo has calmed down or get more pissed off since he cant hurt Sasuke. A twist maybe??? he goes after Karin and Sang saves her?? so she dont hate him anymore (now only pretends?) something like that no big predicton here that what I predict :P

caco
April 12, 2007, 11:12 AM
in next chapter i think we are going to see the real plans of sasuke and jiraya will tell something important to naruto and maybe something about akatsuki

Karma
April 12, 2007, 11:15 AM
This is a very good Chapter.. I Hope to see sasuke using the sharigan to calm him down or suigestu blocking Juugo first attack and then both of them start fighting. then Sasuke going to stop both of them by using is CS form to stop both of them.. lol Trust me.. I can feel sasuke going to use that CS form to convience Juugo..

Jariaya and Naruto going to be place in one group.. Well, I hope so.. I just as i predict that Naruto going to be happy that sasuke defeat Orochimaru. But I feel Jariaya going to have some mission for Naruto. either to see what he has learn so far Or Naruto telling Jariaya about is new Jutsu, while Jariaya said he heard it from the 5th Hokage.

I wonder if naruto going to start wearing Bandage on is hands like Lee now or he going to use a gloves like Kakashi sensi..

ITACHIWIFE
April 12, 2007, 11:24 AM
now we know a little bit of Karin ability:o and naruto is happy:spaz the secret of the cs is next:eek:

Mendes
April 12, 2007, 12:12 PM
After one more nice chapter i think we're elucidated about karin's abilities and specially the reason why sasuke's chosen her. She can find every person... probably she feels chakra at a far distance, like some predicted in the first chapter she appeared. That way she'll most likely lead sasuke to itachi's location. If we assume that's sasuke's plan, it wouldnt make sense for him to go back to konoha(if he did, it was to get naruto as bait for itachi, now he doesnt need it). Other thing that caught my eye was suigetsu's words when he asked sasuke if he also turns like 'a monster freak' when he uses the CS. That can only mean suigetsu has no cursed seal.
As for Juugo, i think such a ruthless killer can only be of use to sasuke on killing proposes. I mean, he cant be a strategist ninja by what we've seen. When sasuke manages to control juugo (within the possible) he will use him just to overpower an enemy. Something that passed trough my mind was sasuke using juugo to create a diversion in some way. As juugo seems to be totally mad, he'd be of use just to throw himself to the dogs while giving some time for the others to do something (dunno what :P). However i dont think thats part of sasuke's plan, coz he seems to care about taking lives (he asked his team mates not to hit their vital points).
I must say i was impressed on the way sasuke's crew easily disposed of every enemy without even having the intent to kill. When powerful ninjas like them try not to critically hit their opponents, its needed to hold back a lot, and still they defeated tons of lvl2 CS ninjas without getting even hurt! We're not talkin about normal ninjas - if i remember well, anko once said the probability of someone survives in the process of achieving CS is really low. Only strong ppl can survive the infection, so we're talkin about a massive amount of strong ppl in their full strength that were totally overpowered by sasuke's crew. Also, if we had doubts on karin's powers besides her 'special' ability, we're now elucidated i think. She was also unharmed after the fight.
I think that's all for now :P

LoT
April 12, 2007, 12:40 PM
I want to see a Trainings Fight between Naruto and Jiraiya !!!

juUnior
April 12, 2007, 01:12 PM
hehe it would be nice if Jiraiya and Narut trained .. xDxD

I think, that next chapter will be, firstly about Saske and Juugo, and I hope the end part of the chapter will be with Naruto in action/training/whatever, but with him. ^^

Karma
April 12, 2007, 01:13 PM
I want to see a Trainings Fight between Naruto and Jiraiya !!!That be Awesome.. But we all know that won't happen. lol Kishi not going to give us such an entertainment with out a price. I pridicted Jariaya telling Naruto that Sasuke still stronger than him and he need to teach him some thing new. lol yes, yes, yes! I wonder if Naruto would get a hold of that forbidden Scroll and learn some new jutsu.. lol Come on , Jariaya we know that scroll you walk around with got a lot of Jutsu in it. :D and we know you left out few things from naruto training..

GPZrag
April 12, 2007, 01:45 PM
nice chapter, very interesting however kind of boring :(

ibblows
April 12, 2007, 02:44 PM
Before jiraiya left he told naruto not to use that jutsu, and tsunade now forbids him to use another. This could mean that "that jutsu" is an unfinished technique that jiraiya is teaching him.

I think we might see that jutsu soon now that jiraiya and naruto are together. This belief is strengthened by the seemingly vast disparity between the powers naruto and sasuke.

Anyone else see this?

ecf
April 12, 2007, 04:22 PM
maybe sasuke learn more about the curse seal and can even generate more power than b4

Skeith
April 12, 2007, 07:38 PM
maybe sasuke learn more about the curse seal and can even generate more power than b4

jeez powering sasuke up even more... god naruto's gonna need a super jutsu and more training to stand up to him now that he doesn't use kyuubi, not to mention sasuke can supress him... sheesh

this is kinda looking like either another training arc for naruto or another chase sasuke ark involving sasuke going pft im busy i'll come back later after he kicks naruto's ass. I can also see some sasuke vs. itachi battles coming up in which sasuke gets his ass handed to him or we find out just how over powered he really became and he kills itachi (not happening and if it does i'll drop the series [no i won't im too hooked]) but yeah it does seem as though sasuke's up for a str. boosting arc for himself which makes naruto look to be in a worse situation

well there is my two cents talk to yall later!!

pcxxy
April 12, 2007, 08:45 PM
i believe that we may see "that jutsu" topic reappear now that jiraiya is back.

having reread the recent shippuuden chapters a few weeks ago, i've been having the idea that the 'that jutsu' is the 4-tail morph.

if there's a new 'that jutsu', it would be pretty nice coz it's kinda terrible if the 4-tail is 'that jutsu' as he didn't even do any seals to unleash it... he just got mad and poof, comes the 4 tails.

on the other hand, the 'that jutsu' maybe nowhere near the now-forbidden wind shyt rasengan (what's the name again?), so i wonder how he'll improve on that... maybe some more elemental+manipulation training? >.>

ninetailfox84
April 12, 2007, 11:32 PM
well after seeing jiraiya is back i cant help thinking that they will go on a secret mission while training jutsus. nah, just my imagination, but i would be cool if naruto learned new jutsu now. FRS has been banned, remember? so he need to find another jutsu!:p

4ghost
April 13, 2007, 12:38 AM
Coming to the realization that Sasuke in effect doesn't respect Konoha or his former teamates in helping him reach his goal. Naruto will take that as motivation to complete the unfinished training/studying he had left with Jiraiya. Sakura will take this opportunity to train with Kakashi.

Juugo's curse seal secret will be revealed to be that he is a halfblooded demon.

ninetailfox84
April 13, 2007, 01:23 AM
Coming to the realization that Sasuke in effect doesn't respect Konoha or his former teamates in helping him reach his goal. Naruto will take that as motivation to complete the unfinished training/studying he had left with Jiraiya. Sakura will take this opportunity to train with Kakashi.

Juugo's curse seal secret will be revealed to be that he is a halfblooded demon.

Wow, thats a shocking prediction you got, juugo is a halfblood demon? If thats true its gonna be exciting!!:p

and i will be happy if naruto does training again with jiraiya because when they trained in part 1(the Tsunade introduction arc), thats one of the best arc in naruto and i really like that.

bennibb
April 13, 2007, 04:41 AM
Wel... No one has told that Futon:RasenShuriken has been banned to Naruto yet. Kakashi tried... But Narutos "im a god" speach stopped him. But I do hope Kakashi tells Jirayia about the traning and that Jirayia takes it from there.

Mendes
April 13, 2007, 04:58 AM
jeez powering sasuke up even more... god naruto's gonna need a super jutsu and more training to stand up to him now that he doesn't use kyuubi, not to mention sasuke can supress him... sheesh

i definitively agree in that point. Kishi already shown us some amazing displays of sasuke's power, so i think he'll stay like that for now... no need to power up anymore, or else naruto would have to go trough a dbz's hyperbolic time chamber to reach sasuke

MasterOdin
April 13, 2007, 01:58 PM
Next chapter will mostly focus on the fight between Sasuke and Juugo. I do believe that Jiraiya will talk to Naruto about the FRS in some way. He would definately be impressed by it. I think the chapter will end with a cliffhanger where Sasuke is just about ready to reveal his plan.

In a long-term prediction, I hope that Jiraiya reveals to Naruto that there are not many jinchuuriki left. Jiraiya has to know something about that and would be wise to warn Naruto.

Lockdog
April 13, 2007, 02:21 PM
maybe juugo is the only one who can control cursed seals on his targets, like orochimaru did it to anko to hurt her ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

maybe he will just stop if he realize who hes going to attack(may he remembers karin/suigetsu or either feels oros presence into sasuke)

ANBU4U
April 13, 2007, 03:12 PM
Before jiraiya left he told naruto not to use that jutsu, and tsunade now forbids him to use another. This could mean that "that jutsu" is an unfinished technique that jiraiya is teaching him.

I think we might see that jutsu soon now that jiraiya and naruto are together. This belief is strengthened by the seemingly vast disparity between the powers naruto and sasuke.

Anyone else see this?

Well, I was 100% with you before the latest anime episode came out. The dialouge their is MUCH clear. Jiraiya says "Naruto I know you know this...but dont use that power." which is alot more telling.....Given this new info I think the 4taikled state is what Jiraiya was refering to after all.......man that sucks for Naruto.

Tias
April 13, 2007, 03:21 PM
Well, I was 100% with you before the latest anime episode came out. The dialouge their is MUCH clear. Jiraiya says "Naruto I know you know this...but dont use that power." which is alot more telling.....Given this new info I think the 4taikled state is what Jiraiya was refering to after all.......man that sucks for Naruto.

Thats exactualy the same thing i'm thinking, as he says ''dont use THAT jutsu''
reffering to him not getting to mad and loosing control...i bet when he whent 4 tails the
first time, and whent normal again, jiraiya told him he used some awsome strong jutsu or something, cause he didn't want him to know it was the kyuubi in him.....

arslan
April 13, 2007, 03:22 PM
Well, I was 100% with you before the latest anime episode came out. The dialouge their is MUCH clear. Jiraiya says "Naruto I know you know this...but dont use that power." which is alot more telling.....Given this new info I think the 4taikled state is what Jiraiya was refering to after all.......man that sucks for Naruto.

well i think anime is wrong in this context because the manga makes us believe that naruto does NOT retain any memories of his four tails state and is informed about it by Yamato. i think the anime drew upon the knowledge of 4 tail state to modify the actual dialogue. so i won't give up on 'that jutsu' just yet.:)

ANBU4U
April 13, 2007, 03:40 PM
well i think anime is wrong in this context because the manga makes us believe that naruto does NOT retain any memories of his four tails state and is informed about it by Yamato. i think the anime drew upon the knowledge of 4 tail state to modify the actual dialogue. so i won't give up on 'that jutsu' just yet.:)

Meh, we'll see. But it doesnt seem near as likely anymore. Kishi seems to always use the anime to clear up any rough patches he had in the manga....a final draft if you will. I feel that he changed the dialouge so drasticly for a reason. But by all means, keep hope alive.

Im actually kinda of sad the animes out of the fillers (Kinda) beause now I have to relive the Naruto crying every 2 seconds arc.....I really wish he'd man up already.

And just visably improve, finish just one fight with style and finesse. (I.E. not landing on his stomach with a useless arm) Im not saying he cant be a goofball, that just naruto, but does he have to be a spaz all the time? Think Trigon....he was an idiot, but when Vash had to draw his gun.....Vash drew his gun.

O well, Sasukes satisfying my style jones for the moment.

rocker2
April 13, 2007, 03:41 PM
i definitively agree in that point. Kishi already shown us some amazing displays of sasuke's power, so i think he'll stay like that for now... no need to power up anymore, or else naruto would have to go trough a dbz's hyperbolic time chamber to reach sasuke

Sasuke is terribly powerful yes, but not that much more powerful than Oro (ie. at Sannin level - the sharingan, but even more was Sasuke's will, which gave Sasuke just enough of an edge to defeat Oro). If we are to now compare Naruto to him, there really isn't that much of a gap - without the Kyuubi, Naruto can completely wipe out anyone he chooses with a jutsu that is less than or just 50% complete. As Tsunade pointed out, there is no defense and the result is complete destruction of the nervous system. When Naruto completes FRS (not if - "if" has already be ruled out in the previous chapters), he'll be in a league of his own. Skill and strategy wise, Naruto can use KB to enhance himself or compensate against the numerous hurdles in battle. FRS does seem to have a major setback in damage that Naruto himself receives though he states he can handle it (which so far, Naruto's word in these matters seems to work out as fact in the end). Naruto doesn't need a hyperbolic time chamber since he has KBs which can exponentially increase his knowledge and power using Kakashi's training method. As for Naruto's current fighting level, Kakashi has already stated Naruto to be his equal, if not a little more. Naruto also took out one of AK's most powerful members. Thus one could really already place Naruto at Sannin level as well. Power wise, Naruto still has a bit to go, but battles are often won on more than just power and Naruto's ingenuity has always topped Sasuke so if the two were to battle now, the odds would be 50/50.

Based on these points, more training is definitely up for Naruto, possibly with Jiraiya now that he is back. That jutsu might come up again, this time to be completed. As for Juugo, if Suigetsu can take him, Sasuke likely can too. Not to mention that if Sasuke has truely incorporated Oro's knowledge into himself, he'll have knowledge on Juugo's strengths and weaknesses. Juugo will be neutralized next chapter through overwhelming wounds, Sasuke's sharingan or reasoning from Sasuke to further cure his condition.

Karma
April 13, 2007, 03:44 PM
Well, I was 100% with you before the latest anime episode came out. The dialouge their is MUCH clear. Jiraiya says "Naruto I know you know this...but dont use that power." which is alot more telling.....Given this new info I think the 4taikled state is what Jiraiya was refering to after all.......man that sucks for Naruto.
I don't agree. I if remember clearly.. Jiriaya said Naruto i know you gotten stronger, But don't use that Jutsu.. He even mention for naruto to calm down because he can be hot headed at times. But the Kyuubi isn't a jutsu. unless he can go full Kyuubi using a Jutsu like Garra did to bring out is beast.

But i think that new jutsu is some thing like the death God or some Jutsu that Kishi is waiting to reveal to us later down.. Naruto shown us is new rasengan with Kyuubi and he done the New Element Jutsu rasengan.. But at the end, naruto haven't summon any thing as yet, and all those power Jutsu Jiriaya got, Naruto suppose to know most of it during is training....

arslan
April 13, 2007, 04:04 PM
@ rocker2:
you have made many interesting conjectures and i agree with you. Yes, sasuke has been shown as a force to be reckoned with but so has Naruto and there is no need for any one to freak out that Kishi has made sasuke insanely strong. I believe Naruto and Sasuke are roughly even and in the long run all the worries regarding Naruto will be rendered wrong.

As for the prediction, Sasuke would injure Juugo a little and may come to appreciate Juugo's power a little more. I don't see kishi focusing too much on Naruto for the Next chapter. Just a few glances, if any at all will be shown.

theshizzle
April 13, 2007, 04:14 PM
KAbuto is still a character that hasn't but will 100 per cent surely be elaborated on much more, i.e his past..remember those red eyes he displayed during the chunnin exam? they haven't been explained but i feel that they will be soon.

bighawke5
April 13, 2007, 04:44 PM
Well, I was 100% with you before the latest anime episode came out. The dialouge their is MUCH clear. Jiraiya says "Naruto I know you know this...but dont use that power." which is alot more telling.....Given this new info I think the 4taikled state is what Jiraiya was refering to after all.......man that sucks for Naruto.

yea well the mangas that are turned into anime have always been proven more cannon than the anime with its fillers and other stuff. the manga is much more original and some stuff that happen in the manga sometimes dont in the anime and vice versa(although that stuff is basically things like more movement for characters due to anime being about "motion"). since most anime is based off the manga..manga is more cannon and has more original up to date info and stuff u should know that..from watching so many anime and reading mangas i guess u dont read many mangas. exp of my point are (air gear, one piece, D.gray man etc)

u dont have to agree but u should know that the anime that are based off mangas, their manga are more original and has more info and is more updated than the anime version. to me that sentence that jiraiya said to naruto well not be proven by anyone if not Kishi..and until there's a follow up like naruto actually using the "that jutsu" or him saying something along the lines of ..."....i have no choice... i'm gonna have to use it" i wont believe anything ppl say bout that jutsu being the 4th tail. if he never says that when he fights sasuke (if ever) or never uses something we never seen him use b4 then i'll believe that the "that jutsu" jiraiya was talking bout was the kyubi power.
just my opinion anyway....

Mendes
April 13, 2007, 04:59 PM
@ rocker2:
you have made many interesting conjectures and i agree with you. Yes, sasuke has been shown as a force to be reckoned with but so has Naruto and there is no need for any one to freak out that Kishi has made sasuke insanely strong. I believe Naruto and Sasuke are roughly even and in the long run all the worries regarding Naruto will be rendered wrong.

you can be both right about naruto being really strong, but i cant agree that he's even with sasuke by now. I just cant see naruto cleaning out that huge amount of lvl2 CS ninjas and stay unharmed and cool after that. Besides, sasuke aint even showing his true skills, since he still didnt use any new jutsu. We've seen an improved style of chidori when he last met naruto, which makes me think he's improved a lot his other jutsus.
Since i've seen sasuke using that katana (looks more like a kodachi) i've been expecting naruto to train with a weapon of his own. It'd be cool to see him combine his wind chakra with a sword, to extend its length or something like that. Regardless of using a weapon or not, naruto will have to improve his speed a lot. i wonder if he can learn to speed up by exploring his wind chakra... maybe he'll be able to boost up his speed somehow using wind. That'd bring him closer to sasuke

theshizzle
April 13, 2007, 06:35 PM
There is no way ORochimaru is done for the manga. No way the man (or we think he's a man) who killed the 3rd Hokage( the professor, the Hokage that became Hokage before Naruto becam a Genin) is dead that easy. I think he will come and eventually take control of Sauske's body.

mrcongojack
April 13, 2007, 07:15 PM
My prediction:
Sasuke will screw around at the base with all of the zombies or whatever you want to call them, and Jiraiya might fill Naruto in with more details and Naruto will then get a mission. I hope with Kurenai's team, because they seriously need some face time in part II.

richtoyz
April 13, 2007, 07:39 PM
i hope that jiraiya can help him the rasen shuriken (spelling) jutsu so that it doesn't damage him also or maybe alow him to throw it

asuma did say that wind element was one of the strongest in close and medium range battle so combining ith a weapon would b interesting

adinkra
April 13, 2007, 08:11 PM
i noticed a few of you are wondering wat naruto's "that jutsu " is, i was guessing it could be the 4th lighting god technique [hope thats right].

On the basis that.. the 4 th learned it from his sensei [jiraiya]
or
its a kekei genkei [and naruto looks like they share the same blood]

ANBU4U
April 13, 2007, 08:19 PM
I don't agree. I if remember clearly.. Jiriaya said Naruto i know you gotten stronger, But don't use that Jutsu.. He even mention for naruto to calm down because he can be hot headed at times. But the Kyuubi isn't a jutsu. unless he can go full Kyuubi using a Jutsu like Garra did to bring out is beast.

But i think that new jutsu is some thing like the death God or some Jutsu that Kishi is waiting to reveal to us later down.. Naruto shown us is new rasengan with Kyuubi and he done the New Element Jutsu rasengan.. But at the end, naruto haven't summon any thing as yet, and all those power Jutsu Jiriaya got, Naruto suppose to know most of it during is training....

No, I quoted it word for word. The term "jutsu" is never used.


you can be both right about naruto being really strong, but i cant agree that he's even with sasuke by now. I just cant see naruto cleaning out that huge amount of lvl2 CS ninjas and stay unharmed and cool after that. Besides, sasuke aint even showing his true skills, since he still didnt use any new jutsu. We've seen an improved style of chidori when he last met naruto, which makes me think he's improved a lot his other jutsus.
Since i've seen sasuke using that katana (looks more like a kodachi) i've been expecting naruto to train with a weapon of his own. It'd be cool to see him combine his wind chakra with a sword, to extend its length or something like that. Regardless of using a weapon or not, naruto will have to improve his speed a lot. i wonder if he can learn to speed up by exploring his wind chakra... maybe he'll be able to boost up his speed somehow using wind. That'd bring him closer to sasuke

But why? Sauske can see to react at those speeds. All naruto would be able to do is run or dodge at them, but not attack. He's probably better off focusing in other areas.

well....actually idk. With techniques like FRS there isnt too much of a frontal counter-attack, it covers too much space. So it may be usefull. Still it wouldnt be as effective as sauskes speed, so if he wants to keep comparing himself to sauske (which is kinda lame now that I mention it) he should find some other equalizer. Still, he should just work at his own shit. If hes better he's better, if he's not he not. He needs to focus on being Hokage and get off Sauskes nuts for awhile, cuz he no longer needs saving.




yea well the mangas that are turned into anime have always been proven more cannon than the anime with its fillers and other stuff. the manga is much more original and some stuff that happen in the manga sometimes dont in the anime and vice versa(although that stuff is basically things like more movement for characters due to anime being about "motion"). since most anime is based off the manga..manga is more cannon and has more original up to date info and stuff u should know that..from watching so many anime and reading mangas i guess u dont read many mangas. exp of my point are (air gear, one piece, D.gray man etc)

u dont have to agree but u should know that the anime that are based off mangas, their manga are more original and has more info and is more updated than the anime version. to me that sentence that jiraiya said to naruto well not be proven by anyone if not Kishi..and until there's a follow up like naruto actually using the "that jutsu" or him saying something along the lines of ..."....i have no choice... i'm gonna have to use it" i wont believe anything ppl say bout that jutsu being the 4th tail. if he never says that when he fights sasuke (if ever) or never uses something we never seen him use b4 then i'll believe that the "that jutsu" jiraiya was talking bout was the kyubi power.
just my opinion anyway....

..Sigh...

Im not an idiot, I know that the manga has higher canon priority than the anime.

Im a Star Wars fan, I BREATHE canon priority, retcons, and continuity errors.

But on MAJOR plot points like say...a secret hidden jutsu, dont you think the anime and manga would match up? All I said was the the anime changes the dialouge so drasticly that it appears Jiariya is mentioning the 4-tailed state. I also think, realizing how confusing it was in the manga kishi purposefully made it clearer in the anime...as there's no other reason to change the dialouge of such a short scene.

But w/e, I dont truthfully care much if Naruto has some hidden jutsu or not, not anymore anyway. But as far as things go I feel confident now that he doesnt.

SmallTiger
April 13, 2007, 08:46 PM
There is no way ORochimaru is done for the manga. No way the man (or we think he's a man) who killed the 3rd Hokage( the professor, the Hokage that became Hokage before Naruto becam a Genin) is dead that easy. I think he will come and eventually take control of Sauske's body.


Yeah, I totally agree. The latest chapter keeps bringing back that scene where Sasuke pummeled all those shinobis and Orochimaru stood there with crossed arms telling him he was still too soft and wouldn't be able to kill Itachi with that attitude.

I think part of the reason Kishimoto is stressing Sasuke's unwillingness to kill now is so that we "dumb readers" will definitely be able to see the difference in Sasuke when Oro makes his glorious reappearance! Not that I'm an Oro fan or anything... :eyeroll

rocker2
April 13, 2007, 09:23 PM
you can be both right about naruto being really strong, but i cant agree that he's even with sasuke by now. I just cant see naruto cleaning out that huge amount of lvl2 CS ninjas and stay unharmed and cool after that. Besides, sasuke aint even showing his true skills, since he still didnt use any new jutsu. We've seen an improved style of chidori when he last met naruto, which makes me think he's improved a lot his other jutsus.
Since i've seen sasuke using that katana (looks more like a kodachi) i've been expecting naruto to train with a weapon of his own. It'd be cool to see him combine his wind chakra with a sword, to extend its length or something like that. Regardless of using a weapon or not, naruto will have to improve his speed a lot. i wonder if he can learn to speed up by exploring his wind chakra... maybe he'll be able to boost up his speed somehow using wind. That'd bring him closer to sasuke


But why? Sauske can see to react at those speeds. All naruto would be able to do is run or dodge at them, but not attack. He's probably better off focusing in other areas.

well....actually idk. With techniques like FRS there isnt too much of a frontal counter-attack, it convers too much space. So it may be usefull. Still it wouldnt be as effective as sauskes speed, so if his sole goal is catching up with him (which is kinda lame now that I mention it) he should find some other equalizer.


Naruto still has more training to go before he can match Sasuke's power, true. However, all those lvl2 CS ninjas would likely have been no problem for Naruto either. Sasuke likely took them out through his speed, sharingan to predict movement and katana to minimize resistance. How would Naruto match this? First of all, there were far fewer CS ninjas there than Naruto could create KBs. On top of this Naruto is now fully capable of utilizing his KBs for intelligence gathering meaning if and should the CS ninjas take care of the KBs, Naruto would know their movements and abilities and predict exactly what they'll do. As for strength, one normal rasengan, so long as it contacts, could finish off any CS ninja based on data from before the time skip. If Naruto needed to take care of groups at a time, there's Odama rasengan. If Naruto wanted to wipe them all out in one shot, there's FRS, though this would be way overkill and unnecessary. On top of all this, there is base wind manipulation which Naruto is perfectly capable of. If he can split a waterfall, he can use wind chakra to knock back the crowd. To round this out, there is Naruto's near perfect use of timing, decoys and ingenuity in general which neither Shikamaru, Sasuke or Kakashi can match. Though stating the above was relatively unnecessary since both Akatsuki that Naruto fought against and overwhelmed would have just as easily decimated those CS ninjas which should be enough to indicate Naruto's current level.

And yes, speed. Naruto is not as fast as Sasuke, but that doesn't mean he can't see him nor neutralize that advantage. From Naruto's lack of reaction to Sasuke's speed in earlier chapters, it is clear that Naruto was perfectly capable of following him. As for neutralizing that advantage; that's all in the numbers. Speed means nothing if there is nowhere to go - Naruto could easily have KBs pin Sasuke down before Sasuke has the chance to engage him directly. As Sasuke fights his way free, Naruto and his KBs would gain knowledge of Sasuke's taijutsu which would mean Sasuke's speed advantage would be neutralized through movement prediction. That leaves Sasuke with his sharingan which is needed to counter the massive number of KBs after his speed advantage is gone. As for jutsu's, fire jutsus never had much of an effect on Naruto in the past and lightning is weak against wind. If Naruto had speed to match Sasuke, Naruto would be the one who is way overpowered and thus the fact he isn't as fast yet is actually a good thing in my mind.

ANBU4U
April 13, 2007, 09:38 PM
Naruto still has more training to go before he can match Sasuke's power, true. However, all those lvl2 CS ninjas would likely have been no problem for Naruto either. Sasuke likely took them out through his speed, sharingan to predict movement and katana to minimize resistance. How would Naruto match this? First of all, there were far fewer CS ninjas there than Naruto could create KBs. On top of this Naruto is now fully capable of utilizing his KBs for intelligence gathering meaning if and should the CS ninjas take care of the KBs, Naruto would know their movements and abilities and predict exactly what they'll do. As for strength, one normal rasengan, so long as it contacts, could finish off any CS ninja based on data from before the time skip. If Naruto needed to take care of groups at a time, there's Odama rasengan. If Naruto wanted to wipe them all out in one shot, there's FRS, though this would be way overkill and unnecessary. On top of all this, there is base wind manipulation which Naruto is perfectly capable of. If he can split a waterfall, he can use wind chakra to knock back the crowd. To round this out, there is Naruto's near perfect use of timing, decoys and ingenuity in general which neither Shikamaru, Sasuke or Kakashi can match. Though stating the above was relatively unnecessary since both Akatsuki that Naruto fought against and overwhelmed would have just as easily decimated those CS ninjas which should be enough to indicate Naruto's current level.

And yes, speed. Naruto is not as fast as Sasuke, but that doesn't mean he can't see him nor neutralize that advantage. From Naruto's lack of reaction to Sasuke's speed in earlier chapters, it is clear that Naruto was perfectly capable of following him. As for neutralizing that advantage; that's all in the numbers. Speed means nothing if there is nowhere to go - Naruto could easily have KBs pin Sasuke down before Sasuke has the chance to engage him directly. As Sasuke fights his way free, Naruto and his KBs would gain knowledge of Sasuke's taijutsu which would mean Sasuke's speed advantage would be neutralized through movement prediction. That leaves Sasuke with his sharingan which is needed to counter the massive number of KBs after his speed advantage is gone. As for jutsu's, fire jutsus never had much of an effect on Naruto in the past and lightning is weak against wind. If Naruto had speed to match Sasuke, Naruto would be the one who is way overpowered and thus the fact he isn't as fast yet is actually a good thing in my mind.

Naruto using KB's to asses an opponents abilities, and Naruto using KB's to somehow....predict the movement of someone moving faster than the eye can see is an insane leap.

The only way I can see Naruto pulling that off is if he had KB's appearing and reappearing all around him almost constantly and at different distances away from him...effectively re-creating a Byakugan and giving him enough time to react accordingly.

But remember Naruto cant be a frivilous with KB's anymore. Not when he wants to use techniques like FRS. Even with Narutos chakra pool he could barely pull off two after making 9 clones. If my understanding is correct Naruto splits his chakra evenly into all the clones he makes and himself, and when the clones are defeated their chakra goes too. Any new clones then get an equal fraction of the Chakra naruto has left...meaning his chakra decreases exponentially with each set of clones.

Normaly thats not a problem, but now that he needs soo much for FRS and the like he cant be nearly so.....irresponsible with his clones as he likes to be. Assuming he was just really tired from his training....you may be able to add what? another 2 FRS...so 15 clones?

Naruto will have to change up his style alot if he can only use 15 clones per go round. And we all know those things go like butter. So no surrounding people with thousands of copies of himself anymore.

lentharius
April 13, 2007, 10:05 PM
But remember Naruto cant be a frivilous with KB's anymore. Not when he wants to use techniques like FRS. Even with Narutos chakra pool he could barely pull off two after making 9 clones.

Don't forget the whole training for like a week straight with no downtime, and leaving in the middle of training to fight. It has been quite awhile since we have seen Naruto fight/face off with a powerful opponent at full strength without busting out tails and just being himself non-injured/tired. Long enough in fact that I don't think we can really do anything but speculate to his power at full health.

Back on topic, I honestly don't see some huge blowout fight with like a CS2 Sasuke vs. some completely unsubstantiated claim of CS3 Juugo. I think it'll probably be some minor scuffle, 2 pages at most. I'm hoping we actually get an idea as to exactly what Sasuke is planning.

ANBU4U
April 13, 2007, 10:12 PM
Don't forget the whole training for like a week straight with no downtime, and leaving in the middle of training to fight. It has been quite awhile since we have seen Naruto fight/face off with a powerful opponent at full strength without busting out tails and just being himself non-injured/tired. Long enough in fact that I don't think we can really do anything but speculate to his power at full health.

Back on topic, I honestly don't see some huge blowout fight with like a CS2 Sasuke vs. some completely unsubstantiated claim of CS3 Juugo. I think it'll probably be some minor scuffle, 2 pages at most. I'm hoping we actually get an idea as to exactly what Sasuke is planning.

I factored that in. And even assuming the most extravagent increase in chakra post training and fresh he cant throw around 100 clones anymore.

Karma
April 13, 2007, 10:47 PM
Naruto still has more training to go before he can match Sasuke's power, true. However, all those lvl2 CS ninjas would likely have been no problem for Naruto either. Sasuke likely took them out through his speed, sharingan to predict movement and katana to minimize resistance. How would Naruto match this? First of all, there were far fewer CS ninjas there than Naruto could create KBs. On top of this Naruto is now fully capable of utilizing his KBs for intelligence gathering meaning if and should the CS ninjas take care of the KBs, Naruto would know their movements and abilities and predict exactly what they'll do. As for strength, one normal rasengan, so long as it contacts, could finish off any CS ninja based on data from before the time skip. If Naruto needed to take care of groups at a time, there's Odama rasengan. If Naruto wanted to wipe them all out in one shot, there's FRS, though this would be way overkill and unnecessary. On top of all this, there is base wind manipulation which Naruto is perfectly capable of. If he can split a waterfall, he can use wind chakra to knock back the crowd. To round this out, there is Naruto's near perfect use of timing, decoys and ingenuity in general which neither Shikamaru, Sasuke or Kakashi can match. Though stating the above was relatively unnecessary since both Akatsuki that Naruto fought against and overwhelmed would have just as easily decimated those CS ninjas which should be enough to indicate Naruto's current level.

And yes, speed. Naruto is not as fast as Sasuke, but that doesn't mean he can't see him nor neutralize that advantage. From Naruto's lack of reaction to Sasuke's speed in earlier chapters, it is clear that Naruto was perfectly capable of following him. As for neutralizing that advantage; that's all in the numbers. Speed means nothing if there is nowhere to go - Naruto could easily have KBs pin Sasuke down before Sasuke has the chance to engage him directly. As Sasuke fights his way free, Naruto and his KBs would gain knowledge of Sasuke's taijutsu which would mean Sasuke's speed advantage would be neutralized through movement prediction. That leaves Sasuke with his sharingan which is needed to counter the massive number of KBs after his speed advantage is gone. As for jutsu's, fire jutsus never had much of an effect on Naruto in the past and lightning is weak against wind. If Naruto had speed to match Sasuke, Naruto would be the one who is way overpowered and thus the fact he isn't as fast yet is actually a good thing in my mind.
lol true.. i like what you wrote..

bighawke5
April 13, 2007, 11:52 PM
No, I quoted it word for word. The term "jutsu" is never used.



But why? Sauske can see to react at those speeds. All naruto would be able to do is run or dodge at them, but not attack. He's probably better off focusing in other areas.

well....actually idk. With techniques like FRS there isnt too much of a frontal counter-attack, it covers too much space. So it may be usefull. Still it wouldnt be as effective as sauskes speed, so if he wants to keep comparing himself to sauske (which is kinda lame now that I mention it) he should find some other equalizer. Still, he should just work at his own shit. If hes better he's better, if he's not he not. He needs to focus on being Hokage and get off Sauskes nuts for awhile, cuz he no longer needs saving.





..Sigh...

Im not an idiot, I know that the manga has higher canon priority than the anime.

Im a Star Wars fan, I BREATHE canon priority, retcons, and continuity errors.

But on MAJOR plot points like say...a secret hidden jutsu, dont you think the anime and manga would match up? All I said was the the anime changes the dialouge so drasticly that it appears Jiariya is mentioning the 4-tailed state. I also think, realizing how confusing it was in the manga kishi purposefully made it clearer in the anime...as there's no other reason to change the dialouge of such a short scene.

But w/e, I dont truthfully care much if Naruto has some hidden jutsu or not, not anymore anyway. But as far as things go I feel confident now that he doesnt.

i agree at this post u made against mine but there are a few stuff id like to say
see kishi doesnt make the anime and it seems u know enogh bout canon stuff anyways so we shouldnt be having this convo.. there's no way he makes those changes in the anime...and since u trust the manga are more clear than the anime then u know that if he had made a mistake he would mention it in some interview or so or somewhere else i'm pretty sure u cant mistake the word jutsu for the word power but heck many seem to think he made a mistake. anyhow im true to the manga althought i like the anime since it has motion but i dont trust the anime in terms of truthfullness and canon stuff and u should know that also...

plus i never said u were an idiot...ur one of the ppl on this forum thats always challenging my theories and i like that

same here i dont really care if naruto has a hidden ninjutsu or noti just want him to confront sasuke or atleast get off the fact that sasuke needs saving after he killed oro and is still not back..

ferza
April 13, 2007, 11:58 PM
something has been bothering me...i know i am prolly get yelled at for mentioning the fact that oro is not dead...

But oro did mentioned soemthing about he has the CS if anything does happened...and now we r meeting the original CS user, maybe it might awaken Oro inside of Sasuke or at least make him finch...

So i am predicitng that Sasuke will fight Juugo and when Sasuke isnt aware, Juugo is going to strike a vital blow but decided to stop because he can somehow "sense" oro inside of Sasuke?

ANBU4U
April 14, 2007, 12:04 AM
i agree at this post u made against mine but there are a few stuff id like to say
see kishi doesnt make the anime and it seems u know enogh bout canon stuff anyways so we shouldnt be having this convo.. there's no way he makes those changes in the anime...and since u trust the manga are more clear than the anime then u know that if he had made a mistake he would mention it in some interview or so or somewhere else i'm pretty sure u cant mistake the word jutsu for the word power but heck many seem to think he made a mistake. anyhow im true to the manga althought i like the anime since it has motion but i dont trust the anime in terms of truthfullness and canon stuff and u should know that also...

plus i never said u were an idiot...ur one of the ppl on this forum thats always challenging my theories and i like that

same here i dont really care if naruto has a hidden ninjutsu or noti just want him to confront sasuke or atleast get off the fact that sasuke needs saving after he killed oro and is still not back..

...I'm not sure about this, so Ill get back to it later. But im 95% sure kishi is very involved in non-filler anime episodes, at least to the point that he reviews the scripts. I cant Imagine why he wouldnt be.

But yea, give me a few hours and Ill get back to you there.

As for it being a mistranslation....I mean its not like the amine script went "Dont use that POWER." with just one word changing..the whole phrase is gone...He says "Naruto I know you know this...but dont use that power." Which is almost undeniably the 4-tailed state.

The whole reason we thought it meant something else in the manga was because the 4-tailed state used no seals...and therefore wasnt a jutsu at all....but now I mean. Whats the bases for thinking its some seret technique?

Anyway, gnight. Ill talk to you tomorrow.

manga_freaky
April 14, 2007, 01:42 AM
I don't know why Kishi is pushing the whole Naruto catching up to sasuke through Kakashi. In fact he should be the first one to know that only a sharingan can kill a sharingan, unless Naruto becomes the Third there is no way that is ever going to happen. I'm going to put it simple for ya. That summoning and sealing eye jutsu that sasuke used on Oro after seeing seeing his memory is far enough to kill naruto. Not only sasuke is able to read someone's mind but also copy a high level sumon/genjutsu that his brother used many year ago and use in an instant. In other word sasuke is on a level beyond the SANDAIME. (please don't bring me the "you can't make such comparaison" argument cause damn sure I can).

Mendes
April 14, 2007, 06:53 AM
Naruto still has more training to go before he can match Sasuke's power, true. However, all those lvl2 CS ninjas would likely have been no problem for Naruto either. Sasuke likely took them out through his speed, sharingan to predict movement and katana to minimize resistance. How would Naruto match this? First of all, there were far fewer CS ninjas there than Naruto could create KBs. On top of this Naruto is now fully capable of utilizing his KBs for intelligence gathering meaning if and should the CS ninjas take care of the KBs, Naruto would know their movements and abilities and predict exactly what they'll do. As for strength, one normal rasengan, so long as it contacts, could finish off any CS ninja based on data from before the time skip. If Naruto needed to take care of groups at a time, there's Odama rasengan. If Naruto wanted to wipe them all out in one shot, there's FRS, though this would be way overkill and unnecessary. On top of all this, there is base wind manipulation which Naruto is perfectly capable of.

i accept that naruto could beat those lvl 2 CS ninjas, but never unharmed. as u said, he'd probably use some of his major moves, which consume Lots of chakra. Ok, naruto has Lots of chakra as well, but still he spends it a lot in every fight. Lately we've seen sasuke finish of many strong people without even spending chakra which is much more impressive in my view. I mean, when he starts using his chakra based jutsus (which are his specialty) he'll look truly invincible!

Tias
April 14, 2007, 07:45 AM
thats kinda true <_<

naruto: Mass chakra depot(due to kyuubi): uses alot of energy/chakra in any fight

sasuke: unknown/more then normal?( due to CS/2): Barely uses any energi/chakra at all to defeat people

but then again, if it would be a bigger fight, they would both use more chakra...and now to consider sasuke has oro inside him....could work as a semi-bijuu?

lordHokage
April 14, 2007, 09:46 AM
Naruto still has more training to go before he can match Sasuke's power, true. However, all those lvl2 CS ninjas would likely have been no problem for Naruto either. Sasuke likely took them out through his speed, sharingan to predict movement and katana to minimize resistance. How would Naruto match this? First of all, there were far fewer CS ninjas there than Naruto could create KBs. On top of this Naruto is now fully capable of utilizing his KBs for intelligence gathering meaning if and should the CS ninjas take care of the KBs, Naruto would know their movements and abilities and predict exactly what they'll do. As for strength, one normal rasengan, so long as it contacts, could finish off any CS ninja based on data from before the time skip. If Naruto needed to take care of groups at a time, there's Odama rasengan. If Naruto wanted to wipe them all out in one shot, there's FRS, though this would be way overkill and unnecessary. On top of all this, there is base wind manipulation which Naruto is perfectly capable of. If he can split a waterfall, he can use wind chakra to knock back the crowd. To round this out, there is Naruto's near perfect use of timing, decoys and ingenuity in general which neither Shikamaru, Sasuke or Kakashi can match. Though stating the above was relatively unnecessary since both Akatsuki that Naruto fought against and overwhelmed would have just as easily decimated those CS ninjas which should be enough to indicate Naruto's current level.

And yes, speed. Naruto is not as fast as Sasuke, but that doesn't mean he can't see him nor neutralize that advantage. From Naruto's lack of reaction to Sasuke's speed in earlier chapters, it is clear that Naruto was perfectly capable of following him. As for neutralizing that advantage; that's all in the numbers. Speed means nothing if there is nowhere to go - Naruto could easily have KBs pin Sasuke down before Sasuke has the chance to engage him directly. As Sasuke fights his way free, Naruto and his KBs would gain knowledge of Sasuke's taijutsu which would mean Sasuke's speed advantage would be neutralized through movement prediction. That leaves Sasuke with his sharingan which is needed to counter the massive number of KBs after his speed advantage is gone. As for jutsu's, fire jutsus never had much of an effect on Naruto in the past and lightning is weak against wind. If Naruto had speed to match Sasuke, Naruto would be the one who is way overpowered and thus the fact he isn't as fast yet is actually a good thing in my mind.


I like the way you think. Question: Has Sasuke surpass Kakashi? I think not.

bloodrage
April 14, 2007, 10:20 AM
...I'm not sure about this, so Ill get back to it later. But im 95% sure kishi is very involved in non-filler anime episodes, at least to the point that he reviews the scripts. I cant Imagine why he wouldnt be.

But yea, give me a few hours and Ill get back to you there.

As for it being a mistranslation....I mean its not like the amine script went "Dont use that POWER." with just one word changing..the whole phrase is gone...He says "Naruto I know you know this...but dont use that power." Which is almost undeniably the 4-tailed state.

The whole reason we thought it meant something else in the manga was because the 4-tailed state used no seals...and therefore wasnt a jutsu at all....but now I mean. Whats the bases for thinking its some seret technique?

Anyway, gnight. Ill talk to you tomorrow.


first thing naruto does not even find out he goes in to the 4th tail and hurts people until yamato told him when they were going after saskue so i don't know how it could be that just a thought.


Quote: Originally Posted by rocker2
Naruto still has more training to go before he can match Sasuke's power, true. However, all those lvl2 CS ninjas would likely have been no problem for Naruto either. Sasuke likely took them out through his speed


I don't think saskue is that much more powerful than naruto right now oro stated clearly that he was at his weakest state and saskue had to go cs2 to defeat him at his weakest state stress on weakest
naruto fought oro by himself when naruto could barley even walk and oro was in pretty good health and that is before the training plus the sound five all had Cseals and neji ,kiba everyone beat them so don't think just cause you have a cursed seal you have ultimate power if your weak to begin with it probably won't do much .

lordHokage
April 14, 2007, 11:09 AM
I don't think saskue is that much more powerful than naruto right now oro stated clearly that he was at his weakest state and saskue had to go cs2 to defeat him at his weakest state stress on weakest naruto fought oro by himself when naruto could barley even walk and oro was in pretty good health and that is before the training plus the sound five all had Cseals and neji ,kiba everyone beat them so don't think just cause you have a cursed seal you have ultimate power if your weak to begin with it probably won't do much .


I share your opinion. A very exhausted Naruto defeated Kakuzu at full strength where as a cursed seal two Sasuke defeated a feeble Orochimaru and he's now consider be to more powerful than Naruto. That doesn’t make any sense, someone please enlighten me because I miss the boat :confused:

nocor
April 14, 2007, 11:22 AM
I think sharingan is much overpowered and kishi has to develop nartuo something to stand those shitty eyes and i don't like this hole transformation thing with cs2 either I hope sasuke goes against ak and then gets his ass pwned by itachi and then naruto with is kb make itachi look like a noob and rescues those cs noobs of sasuke

bighawke5
April 14, 2007, 12:41 PM
Naruto still has more training to go before he can match Sasuke's power, true. However, all those lvl2 CS ninjas would likely have been no problem for Naruto either. Sasuke likely took them out through his speed, sharingan to predict movement and katana to minimize resistance. How would Naruto match this? First of all, there were far fewer CS ninjas there than Naruto could create KBs. On top of this Naruto is now fully capable of utilizing his KBs for intelligence gathering meaning if and should the CS ninjas take care of the KBs, Naruto would know their movements and abilities and predict exactly what they'll do. As for strength, one normal rasengan, so long as it contacts, could finish off any CS ninja based on data from before the time skip. If Naruto needed to take care of groups at a time, there's Odama rasengan. If Naruto wanted to wipe them all out in one shot, there's FRS, though this would be way overkill and unnecessary. On top of all this, there is base wind manipulation which Naruto is perfectly capable of. If he can split a waterfall, he can use wind chakra to knock back the crowd. To round this out, there is Naruto's near perfect use of timing, decoys and ingenuity in general which neither Shikamaru, Sasuke or Kakashi can match. Though stating the above was relatively unnecessary since both Akatsuki that Naruto fought against and overwhelmed would have just as easily decimated those CS ninjas which should be enough to indicate Naruto's current level.

And yes, speed. Naruto is not as fast as Sasuke, but that doesn't mean he can't see him nor neutralize that advantage. From Naruto's lack of reaction to Sasuke's speed in earlier chapters, it is clear that Naruto was perfectly capable of following him. As for neutralizing that advantage; that's all in the numbers. Speed means nothing if there is nowhere to go - Naruto could easily have KBs pin Sasuke down before Sasuke has the chance to engage him directly. As Sasuke fights his way free, Naruto and his KBs would gain knowledge of Sasuke's taijutsu which would mean Sasuke's speed advantage would be neutralized through movement prediction. That leaves Sasuke with his sharingan which is needed to counter the massive number of KBs after his speed advantage is gone. As for jutsu's, fire jutsus never had much of an effect on Naruto in the past and lightning is weak against wind. If Naruto had speed to match Sasuke, Naruto would be the one who is way overpowered and thus the fact he isn't as fast yet is actually a good thing in my mind.

not that i disagree with ur whole post but the part bout naruto's lack of reaction i dont get i mean after this
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume34.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=29862
how can u say he didnt react to sasuke's speed. just saying but in the anime he never had any reaction to that speed.
but yea i do agrre that this time around naruto being able to analyze shit with his kagebushins can give him an advantage against any oponent plus his tactics have improved over timeskip anyways and he dodges the great fireball jutsu easily now lol so he might not be able to do sasuke's feats since he dont got the sharingan to predict movements and come out unscathed but naruto can analyze his oponents now with kage bushins which is like an advantage sasuke always had with his sharingan and without it so its a good plus lol.

jerger
April 14, 2007, 12:43 PM
well... naruto defeated an injured akatuski.... remeber? lol. and sasuke defeated an injured akatuski... on his death bed.

however naruto is powerful, but if he would fight sasuke with his new move or 4 tail he would kill him... how would that solve friendship issues?

if sasuke kills naruto, then the demon will be released and kill sasuke... how will that help?

if you listen to earlier anime/manga... sasuke says that he has TWO GOALS: 1. to revive his clan 2. to avenge and kill his brother

what he is doing right now is reviving his clan... maybe htey will form a new village or maybe they will become a clan for konoha, but not yet.

lordHokage
April 14, 2007, 01:28 PM
well... naruto defeated an injured akatuski.... remeber? lol. and sasuke defeated an injured akatuski... on his death bed.

however naruto is powerful, but if he would fight sasuke with his new move or 4 tail he would kill him... how would that solve friendship issues?

if sasuke kills naruto, then the demon will be released and kill sasuke... how will that help?

if you listen to earlier anime/manga... sasuke says that he has TWO GOALS: 1. to revive his clan 2. to avenge and kill his brother

what he is doing right now is reviving his clan... maybe htey will form a new village or maybe they will become a clan for konoha, but not yet.


Regardless whether kakazu was injured the outcome doesn’t change, Sasuke situation was completely different. At this moment, Naruto is at 6 tailed level and can easily kill Sasuke without even trying. As for reviving the Uchiha clan, Sasuke has poor taste :notrust

Tias
April 14, 2007, 01:37 PM
well... naruto defeated an injured akatuski.... remeber? lol. and sasuke defeated an injured akatuski... on his death bed.

however naruto is powerful, but if he would fight sasuke with his new move or 4 tail he would kill him... how would that solve friendship issues?

if sasuke kills naruto, then the demon will be released and kill sasuke... how will that help?

if you listen to earlier anime/manga... sasuke says that he has TWO GOALS: 1. to revive his clan 2. to avenge and kill his brother

what he is doing right now is reviving his clan... maybe htey will form a new village or maybe they will become a clan for konoha, but not yet.


uh actualy no, when naruto dies the kyuubi dies to.....



Well looking at a large scale view, naruto has alot more raw power/strength, thats for sure....kyuubi 4 tailed, and that weird blast(something like a flying rasengan? o.O) and also his Wind style rasengan, are weapons of mass destruction <_<

sasuke has Chidori, but i really cant see that turning into a mass destruction weapon >_>
sasuke has his sharingan, and if he cant get some MS in some other way, i cant see him getting better any time soon...since alot have been sayin, now naruto uses his Kagebunshins, he can use them as a distraction, as a attacking group, and pin down, and alot more, and now he even gets ''info'' so he can analyse the the enemies movements and his own next move....so something liek a sharingan, just much slower, less good at the enemies movement prediction, but better at gathering info...while the sharingan is less good at that, but better at the movement....

sasuke has his sword to, but i cant see him destroying wide spaces with it...
well anyway, sasuke's Curse seal is nothing to laugh at, he has had it for 3 years almost now, and knows how to use it well, if i am right, he or oro said that it pulls out all of his chakra from within....

when sasuke had 2 doted sharingan, and curse seal on, it was the same as when he had 3 doted....now he has 3 dots(3th level of sharingan)
so the curse seal would boost the level again?

but yeah, if the curse seal takes chakra from within, lets not forget now thast sasuke has Orochimaru inside him....so that would mean he taps into his chakra. So oro could be something like as i said before, a SEMI-bijuu
and not to forget all his memories, and knowlegde and jutsus

Navri
April 14, 2007, 01:55 PM
The following is my personal opinion. Having sampled everyone's thoughts, I don't think I could agree that that's what happens next. I think next chapter will focus on Juugo's apparently overwhelming strength. Since Kishimoto was a huge Dragonball fan, I would guess that Juugo was Naruto's version of Brolly. That last panel sort of gives it away I think, since it is very cliché in shonen manga to feature psychotic tendencies in insanely strong characters. Having said that, I do agree that Jügo is hiding the 3rd level of the Cursed Seal since he's the origin of that power (although I doubt we'll see it next chapter) and that the Team Sasuke will chance upon Jügo's good side by telling him he can kill many more strong fighters (AK) if he completes their four-man cell, and baddabing, there's your team Sasuke complete.

Over Naruto's side, I think we might finally see something going to be done to up Naruto's skills in Taijutsu (I wish anyway). They've just gotten news that Sasuke killed Orochimaru and Naruto may reflect that maybe he's still not strong enough to save sasuke because he can't even be a match for Jiraiya (who is thought to be less talented than Oro) unless he borrows Kyuubi's powers, so it's likely that might happen to ensure Naruto is "up-to-date".

In Broad speculation, I think an interesting twist is if Sasuke intends to return to Konoha, not because he wishes to come back and figure out a game plan to go against AK, but rather he would visit by pure interest of recruiting members of the rookie 9, (or should I say Chuunin 9? Since all of them are Chuunin and higher) in an effort to employ Konoha's best assets e.g. the Byakugan/Jyuuken, Shikamaru and his brain (lol), Kiba and his... dog, Shino and his bugs, Chouji and his... ...soldier pills (hah!! tricked ya!! lol!) etc.

But knowing the attitude of Team Sasuke, Jügo will probably aim to kill someone, Suigetsu will probably find out something about kakashi killing Zabuza and Sakura will display signs of jealousy with Karin around.

There you go - I'm out!

Saifi
April 14, 2007, 02:06 PM
@AMBU4U
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so ya jiraya did say jutsu not "power" unless you are saying that all the translators messed up. As far as kishi making amends in anime ..... yeah i seriously doubt he has the time to direct anime when hes on a constant deadline to write a new chap every week , i am almost certain he told them something like " guys try not to go too off the main story line " besides that i am pretty sure that the anime team is free to treat the material as they want , just like showing all of akatsuki (+ leader ) silhoutes , which was actually a big revelation in the manga. so ya...in summary

kishi doesn't do much with anime , which is why its not cannon :)

lord_dang3r
April 14, 2007, 02:08 PM
i dont' know if sasuke got magenkiu sharingan but i'm sure that sasuke is stronger than kakashi!

what about 351? i think naruto will begin a special training! gooooo 6th hokage!!!!

omniscientone
April 14, 2007, 02:17 PM
I predict that Sasuke subdues the curse seal guy with relative ease, and gets him to join the gang of four. Hopefully, more revelations in Konoha happen.

In the anime, they mentioned it as "Don't use that power", so was wondering about whether it was Don't use that power or jutsu in the manga ? If it was that jutsu, i predict we learn about it soon....

lordHokage
April 14, 2007, 03:22 PM
i dont' know if sasuke got magenkiu sharingan but i'm sure that sasuke is stronger than kakashi!

what about 351? i think naruto will begin a special training! gooooo 6th hokage!!!!


Next chapter is too hard to call, so I would let the tea leaves predict the outcome. Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi, is this wishful thinking :eyeroll where is your prove.

richtoyz
April 14, 2007, 04:23 PM
351 naruto will tell jiraiya about his new jutsu and jiraya will start helping him to perfect it :blink
sasuke will knock juugo over and then tell him of his plans for the whole group :amuse
we won't have to put up with all this stupid walking around and c the plot start moving forward again:eyeroll

MNL1989
April 14, 2007, 04:24 PM
I think theres gonna be a small fight between Sasuke and Juugo also but I think that end really fast and Sasuke is gonna add him to his little group and we are gonna get some back story of the Curse Seal again

razor
April 14, 2007, 05:37 PM
i think chapter 351 is about curse seal and still not on naruto for at least 3,4 chapter i think.

LoT
April 14, 2007, 05:41 PM
I predict Chapter 351 is the last "Sasuke chapter"
352 is about Naruto and his training or something like this!

bighawke5
April 14, 2007, 06:27 PM
@AMBU4U
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m143/Saifi_2006/naruto_ch251_p14.jpg

so ya jiraya did say jutsu not "power" unless you are saying that all the translators messed up. As far as kishi making amends in anime ..... yeah i seriously doubt he has the time to direct anime when hes on a constant deadline to write a new chap every week , i am almost certain he told them something like " guys try not to go too off the main story line " besides that i am pretty sure that the anime team is free to treat the material as they want , just like showing all of akatsuki (+ leader ) silhoutes , which was actually a big revelation in the manga. so ya...in summary

kishi doesn't do much with anime , which is why its not cannon :)

true that its not more cannon then the manga but there's always ppl that dont wanna hear that naruto has come back with another arsenal and believe that he doesnt have one since he didn't use it yet but in fact was told not to use it and whatever it is its dangerous enough to make him feel sad bout so he knows what kind of damages and the cost of using the thing watever it is...now i always thought it were a jutsu we dont know yet just like sasuke's becuz if sasuke hasn't had to use that jutsu even when he fought oro then i'm sure that kishi's holding the "that jutsu" secret till the two meet....

anyhow naruto didn't seem to know that the kuybi lv 4 took over (unconscious) and hurt his friends so that's not something he can be warned to not use its not like he can activate it...although his feelings could but even if his feelings activate it he doesn't activate the 4th tail willingly. i believe the only time that Naruto has been warned not to use his kyubi powers or 4th tail was when Yamato told him not to use it but to use his own powers and thats when he stopped going into the "tails state"---i mean why would he listen to yamato and not jiraiya if jiraiya had told him or meant not to use the kuybi? bcuz if thats wat jiraiya had told him not to use he wouldve done like he did after yamato said not to use it since he knows jiraiya much more than yamato and yamato didnt know as much info bout naruto with the kyuubi like jiraiya does or did lol.

now the part were jiraiya says that his greatest mistake is losing control of his emotions...let me tell u how i see it...i think that ppl could see this 2 ways...to me it could probably mean that if naruto got angry he might not use his head and think straight in battle and use that "that jutsu" and get hurt..u know that when u fights someone and ur angry and the erson is calm he can kick ur ass since he's composed and ur crazy not thinking straight...lol it happens. u never make the right decisions when angry but sometimes its fun.lol

anyhow most ppl see that sentence of jiraiya about naruto loosing his temper as the kyubi leaking out and taking over and they relate it to that jutsu being used and say its the 4th tails..its logical but when u take into the fact that that part wasn;t explained or corrected by kishi himself its a bit hard to swallow and it creates a debate or epic proportions.lol

next jiraiya tells kakashi to watch over naruto and not let him do anything stupid.....NOW THATS WHERE U CAN SAY THERE'S A HINT ABOUT KYUBI THERE....well to me at least when i read that bottom part since he gave kakashi a seal to stop naruto from going into "tails states" further so that sentence did involve the kyubi but to me the others where about some unnamed jutsu just like sasuke's but maybe a different jutsu not the same as sasukes' why would it be?lol

OK NOW LETS STATE THE FACTS HOW THEY ARE....i'm gonna be nutral here as much as possible and go ahead and say that ....

1--the "that jutsu" hasnt been seen yet so ppl that think there's one we need to see it or hear another part where jiraiya mentions it to start believing strongly that there's one since we are only basing our opinions on stuff we gather from diff cues in the chapters and havent really been given anything real to chew on like another jiraiya and naruto talk of the "that jutsu"...a more elaborate one

2--those saying that there isn't can't prove it until sasuke and naruto fight and sasuke shows his since we know he does hav a "that jutsu" and naruto doesnt show his "that jutsu" since they both havent use the jutsu means that kishi's has it for a special ocassion or sasuke wouldve used it already facing oro but he didn't meaning he didnt have to or it was to overpowering to even use it on weak oro...could b the same thing for naruto and why he hasnt used it yet and needs other strong jutsus to go on like the F.RASENGAN or he would told kakashi no...i already have a strong jutsu i can use i dont need another.


in the end neither of our theories have been proven and i dont care much for the "that jutsu" even though i believe that he has one we havent seen ...i still dont care much until i see it with my own eyes.....what i really care for now is that naruto improves his speed and taijutsu..he's always been a close range brawler anyways y not improve that style a lot naruto lmao.

shachi
April 14, 2007, 09:04 PM
"That jutsu" is the peeping tom jutsu. Yamato reminded Naruto about what happened to Jiraiya when he used it to spy on Tsunade. Naruto was using it in onsen spa. That is all "that jutsu" is.

An akatsuki update is overdue. So there will be a slice of akatsuki and konoha in the next chapter, which will of course focus on the juugo/sasuke battle.

ANBU4U
April 14, 2007, 09:38 PM
I share your opinion. A very exhausted Naruto defeated Kakuzu at full strength where as a cursed seal two Sasuke defeated a feeble Orochimaru and he's now consider be to more powerful than Naruto. That doesn’t make any sense, someone please enlighten me because I miss the boat :confused:

Its all in the effort expended. The fact is Sasuke makes it look easy, and Naruto seems to always have to pull out every stop. Really I dont know what he'd do if he were ever sent on a descreet mission....he'd never be put in ANBU.

and not to glorify Sauske, or knock naruto. But its a stretch saying Kakuzu was at full strength when they faught. He was missing 2/5ths of his arsenal...and had to at least be aware of Kakashi, Yammato and the rest. On top of that the Ulimate justsu didnt even kill him, Kakashi certainly felt threatened enough not to let the guy linger.

ANBU4U
April 14, 2007, 09:41 PM
first thing naruto does not even find out he goes in to the 4th tail and hurts people until yamato told him when they were going after saskue so i don't know how it could be that just a thought.


That doesnt mean Jiariya is mentioning the fox itself. He probably didnt want to let him know what happened persay during training...so he said something like.."Dont use too much of the fox's power..its dangerous." Either way its far less of a jump than a secret jutsu. Ill take the odds.


Next chapter is too hard to call, so I would let the tea leaves predict the outcome. Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi, is this wishful thinking :eyeroll where is your prove.

Well...they are basially the same person. Save one can use his eyes longer. The only real difference is Kakashis upgraded Sharingan....but Sauske upgrades his chidori...twice. So I mean....they're really practically identical.

badluckartist
April 14, 2007, 10:10 PM
great writers? have you seen anything from the filler arcs? that's hideous writing, im pretty sure. and it was probably them messing up. i mean, what 'power' could naruto have gained over the course of the training mission other than kyuubi? if it was referring to the kyuubi, jiraiya wouldve said it, not referred to some mysterious, unnamed power. he probably spent most of the time learning some awesome jutsu that he should only use under the most terrible of circumstances. the bottom line is, this is a manga forum. in discussion of the naruto series, manga is canon, not anime. 'specially not the crappy naruto anime (although shippuden is pretty nifty so far)

aaaanyhoo, 351.... im drawing a blank as far as konoha goes, but im pretty sure sasuke will have a quick tussle with juugo before explaining his mission to the group and (maybe) saying why he needs them [at the very least, juugo]. we get more background on the curse seal... and this might end up being the last 'sasuke chapter' for quite a while, if not the next one. jiraiya's presence in konoha will have some significance for the next few chapters as well. still wondering where the hell akatsuki is.. what could they be up to?

p.s. juugo's insane bloodlust is going to be an interesting contrast to sasuke's preference to not killing anybody (see when he defeated all those unnamed nin without killing them, and told suigetsu not to hit any vitals). i like how sasuke's retained that mercy he's had as a leaf nin.

kakashi_317
April 14, 2007, 11:02 PM
But i think that new jutsu is some thing like the death God or some Jutsu that Kishi is waiting to reveal to us later down.. ....

yeah so true, I think it wil be some kindof summoning.. afterall, naruto doesnt know much about seals/summons etc.. i mean he never used anything except KB! But that summoning might require loads of chakra, and hence it maybe not advisable.. i wANT to see naruto and his summon::: raingod/seagod/deathgod to ward off lghtining/fire etc!!!

manga_freaky
April 15, 2007, 02:58 AM
Naruto doesn't have any "that jutsu" and it think just like the anime mentionned it, Jiraya was referring to the tails. If there were a jutsu that was forbiden:
1) Naruto would have used it against Oro
2) Yamato wouldn't mention "This is a new Naruto"
All that aside I really don't like the fact that Naruto doesn't remember anything beyond 2 tails. Ridiculous excuse to make Naruto look good meanwhile we blame sasuke, for crying out loud even Gaara and the Nibi woman know what they are doing. Come on Kishi don't be biased.
In brief Naruto spent 2 1/2 years to learn Odame.

bennibb
April 15, 2007, 07:05 AM
@AMBU4U
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m143/Saifi_2006/naruto_ch251_p14.jpg

so ya jiraya did say jutsu not "power" unless you are saying that all the translators messed up. As far as kishi making amends in anime ..... yeah i seriously doubt he has the time to direct anime when hes on a constant deadline to write a new chap every week , i am almost certain he told them something like " guys try not to go too off the main story line " besides that i am pretty sure that the anime team is free to treat the material as they want , just like showing all of akatsuki (+ leader ) silhoutes , which was actually a big revelation in the manga. so ya...in summary

kishi doesn't do much with anime , which is why its not cannon :)

Havent we allready stated that Kishi works close with the Anime? As for his last interv??? And ppl can say what they want. But if Kishi dont like it it dont Air. Its his product

Mendes
April 15, 2007, 07:06 AM
I also got the impression that 'that jutsu' is the fox tails itself... however it costs me to believe that. I mean, naruto spent almost 3 years training with jiraya and all he came up with was a power he was forbidden to use? That's why i still hope he has at least a surprise in store for us

lordHokage
April 15, 2007, 08:19 AM
Its all in the effort expended. The fact is Sasuke makes it look easy, and Naruto seems to always have to pull out every stop. Really I dont know what he'd do if he were ever sent on a descreet mission....he'd never be put in ANBU.
and not to glorify Sauske, or knock naruto. But its a stretch saying Kakuzu was at full strength when they faught. He was missing 2/5ths of his arsenal...and had to at least be aware of Kakashi, Yammato and the rest. On top of that the Ulimate justsu didnt even kill him, Kakashi certainly felt threatened enough not to let the guy linger.

Flashy boy always makes it look so easy, I suppose that’s way of the Uchiha pride, furthermore that doesn’t indicate he’s clever, it just dumb luck :noworry If Kakuzu had ten or more hearts the outcome would still be the same :darn The secret jutsu did in fact kill him, he was good as dead, Kakashi final blow was unnecessary ;)



Well...they are basially the same person. Save one can use his eyes longer. The only real difference is Kakashis upgraded Sharingan....but Sauske upgrades his chidori...twice. So I mean....they're really practically identical.

I strongly disagree with you :mad Sasuke can improve on his chidori and still it would be of no use towards Kakashi's raikiri :p Kakashi is not just strong, he’s super strong. Since Naruto surpass him what make you think Sasuke has :s



yeah so true, I think it wil be some kindof summoning.. afterall, naruto doesnt know much about seals/summons etc.. i mean he never used anything except KB! But that summoning might require loads of chakra, and hence it maybe not advisable.. i wANT to see naruto and his summon::: raingod/seagod/deathgod to ward off lghtining/fire etc!!!

Yeah I agree too :)

Koen
April 15, 2007, 11:49 AM
I think we'll certainly see sasuke pwning juugo. The title also says we'll know more about juugo and that cursed thingie secret. So I predict a lot of blah blah chapter. I also hope akatsuki will be shown, trying to capture a new bijuu or introducing some new members :p

yemsta
April 15, 2007, 12:32 PM
I believe the samething Sasuke will need sharingan...I think Sasuke and Juugo will fight for a little while and then start talking. The seen will also go back to Konoha. More Jiyairia, 5th, Naruto, and Sakura talk. I garentee one thing, the next chapter will have some very interesting conversations in it... I promise that.

Damn straight next chapter is gonna be interesting a small fight too. saske's plans will be revealed which should be good as he seems to have planned this from a very long time ago.

GPZrag
April 15, 2007, 06:52 PM
Flashy boy always makes it look so easy, I suppose that’s way of the Uchiha pride, furthermore that doesn’t indicate he’s clever, it just dumb luck If Kakuzu had ten or more hearts the outcome would still be the same The secret jutsu did in fact kill him, he was good as dead, Kakashi final blow was unnecessary
i second this!, that kakashi's blow was unnecesary, it was all EXPLAINED "inderectly" by tsunade - she said that naruto's jutsu resembles poison cause it destroys all chakra channels as the cells in your body.. so even if kakashi didnt touch him kakuzu was good as dead cause he couldnt heal anymore (cells destroyed) and he couldnt use chakra (chakra channels destroyed) so its more likely his life was ended anyway, on the ither hand one thing i was thinking was that ppl in konoha could use naruto's jutsu as PENALTY JUTSU, i mean if you are capable of destroying the CHAKRA CHANNELS it will be used to punish dangerous nins, destroying their lives as nins... :)

Mendes
April 15, 2007, 07:04 PM
i second this!, that kakashi's blow was unnecesary it was "inderectly" by tsuande she said that naruto's jutsu resembles poison cause it destroys all chakra channels as the cells in your body.. so even if kakashi didnt touch him kakuzu was dead cause couldnt heal anymore (cells destroyed) and he couldnt use chakra (chakra channels destroyed) so its more likely his life was ended anyway, one thing i was thinking ppl in konoha could use naruto's jutsu as PENALTY JUTSU, i mean if you are capable of destroying the CHAKRA CHANNELS it will be used to punish dangerous nins, destroyinh their lives as nins... :)

that'd be a penalti for naruto as well lol. it'd be easier to call gaara, since he almost ended lee's ninja "career" without effort :P

body flicker
April 15, 2007, 07:33 PM
that'd be a penalti for naruto as well lol. it'd be easier to call gaara, since he almost ended lee's ninja "career" without effort :P

garra almost ended lee's career without effort ?!?!?....NO WAY garra got his ass kicked he was just lucky to have shukkaku at the time

Wind_NiN
April 15, 2007, 08:28 PM
I predict, Itachi finding out about Orochimaru, and Juugo vs Sasuke.

richtoyz
April 15, 2007, 08:55 PM
i think akatsuki will find out about oro but they won't make a big deal about it
the fight between sasuke and juugo won't b long :eyeroll sasuke will fend of his first attack and then explain his plans:amuse

lordHokage
April 15, 2007, 09:34 PM
i second this!, that kakashi's blow was unnecesary it was "inderectly" by tsuande she said that naruto's jutsu resembles poison cause it destroys all chakra channels as the cells in your body.. so even if kakashi didnt touch him kakuzu was dead cause couldnt heal anymore (cells destroyed) and he couldnt use chakra (chakra channels destroyed) so its more likely his life was ended anyway, one thing i was thinking ppl in konoha could use naruto's jutsu as PENALTY JUTSU, i mean if you are capable of destroying the CHAKRA CHANNELS it will be used to punish dangerous nins, destroyinh their lives as nins... :)


For those who say that Kakuzu died my Kakashi hand, I fully recommend that they reread chapter 346 again. The Penalty Jutsu, I wonder if Kishimoto thought of something similar and would implement it into the story. If so, I offer my condolences :p

ANBU4U
April 16, 2007, 02:16 AM
I strongly disagree with you :mad Sasuke can improve on his chidori and still it would be of no use towards Kakashi's raikiri :p Kakashi is not just strong, he’s super strong. Since Naruto surpass him what make you think Sasuke has :s


1: Theres no way I'll believe naruto can beat kakashi. I dont care what he says, I havent seen anything to prove it. Nothing even close. Theres no way Kakashi' dumb enough to get hit by that stupid jutsu....just no way. Even kakuzu getting hit by it seemed like a shamless plot device, if kakashi did it would make no sense. Especially not if he uses his little "OMG there are clones behind you trick again."
2: What can Kakashi do Sauske cant?...save the MS. Their seriously like...the same ninja.
3. Raikiri...woot....Its the same damn jutsu with more power stuffed into it....that it has a seperate name at all is fucking retarded. Post time skip I find it hard to believe Sauske couldnt match its power. To this day im convienced that the whole Raikiri/Chidori distinction was a databook error that Kishi was forced to run with or something. Arguably the dumbest thing to come from the manga next to "body activation".

ANBU4U
April 16, 2007, 02:17 AM
garra almost ended lee's career without effort ?!?!?....NO WAY garra got his ass kicked he was just lucky to have shukkaku at the time

As Naruto is way lucky to have kyuubi all the time....

4ghost
April 16, 2007, 03:35 AM
@ANBU4U
As far as we know Kakashi has a sense of smell to rival Kiba, Suiton and Doton jutsu and the MS.

Sasuke has a perfected Sharingan, Raiton, Katon and CS.

There are a few overlapping abilities, but they are not practically the same person.

Mendes
April 16, 2007, 05:22 AM
@ANBU4U
As far as we know Kakashi has a sense of smell to rival Kiba, Suiton and Doton jutsu and the MS.

Sasuke has a perfected Sharingan, Raiton, Katon and CS.

There are a few overlapping abilities, but they are not practically the same person.

I still think sasuke may be stronger than kakashi... but i think we're destined to see a match between them to kill the doubt upon their power. In a situation like this, i'd bet on sasuke coz kakashi hasnt perfected his MS. As far as we know he still cant use the Tsukoyami, which is the most powerful jutsu MS enables. I dont think he'll learn it either... if he did there wouldnt be any diference between a pure blood Uchiha and him. Putting MS aside, kakashi could use well his elemental moves, since he's able to use all elements and generally uses them well. still, for what i've seen lately, i'd give the edge to sasuke

Leo Seta
April 16, 2007, 06:04 AM
*sigh* As no-one seems to read the manga properly:

Raikiri is and always will be above chidori and outside of Sasuke's reach. Why? Because in order to have Raikiri you need lightning as your NATURAL element. You can learn other elements but you'll never be able to achieve the maxium power with it that you can with your own natural element (why kaz's jutsus were so powerful). Sasuke will always have chidori because his natural element is fire, the boys just a super genius because he learnt an element that wasn't his natural one in just a few days (in comparison to Naruto's training time in order to learn his natural element).

"That jutsu" isn't the fox tails. Seriously, Naruto didn't figure out how dangerous the kyuubi power was until after he had hurt Sakura during the Oro fight (and he didn't use "that jutsu" during that fight because he just went off the deep end and wasn't thinking). The original manga said "that jutsu", don't think that Kishi has that much sway over what happens with the anime, no mangaka does when their work is turned into an anime, they just get consulted on things every now and then. >.>

Both Sasuke and Naruto are above Kakashi, deal with it Kakashi fanboys. "Waah! Naruto's clone tricks are so stupid, Kakashi would never fall for them!" Uh, yeah you keep talling yourselves that, Sharingan or no, Naruto does have to skill now to hit Kakashi with Rasen Shuriken and then it would be game over. That's why Kakashi admits that Naruto is probably above him. Sasuke is just above Kakashi because despite the fact that he defeated Oro (like you need anymore proof than that), theres no way Kishi would have Sasuke (who is Naruto's final aim) below Naruto's current level of ability.

Now, back to the topic. Predictions, well the fight obviously. Sasuke probably explaining at least part of his plan and then it ending with Team Sasuke moving out (if Kishi draws it out then maybe more of the Naruto convo).

wit2x
April 16, 2007, 06:16 AM
hey guys have u seen the spoiler regarding AL? its yondaime, naruto's daddy. hmm...:blink

matsyes
April 16, 2007, 06:26 AM
garra almost ended lee's career without effort ?!?!?....NO WAY garra got his ass kicked he was just lucky to have shukkaku at the time

No gaara didn't use shukaku to beat lee, It was on his own strength. Unless you say that gaara has more chakra and exceptional sand control because of shukaku but then that is part of gaara and you cant really attribute it to shukaku otherwise every thing gaara does is because of shukaku.


*sigh* As no-one seems to read the manga properly:

Raikiri is and always will be above chidori and outside of Sasuke's reach. Why? Because in order to have Raikiri you need lightning as your NATURAL element. You can learn other elements but you'll never be able to achieve the maxium power with it that you can with your own natural element (why kaz's jutsus were so powerful). Sasuke will always have chidori because his natural element is fire, the boys just a super genius because he learnt an element that wasn't his natural one in just a few days (in comparison to Naruto's training time in order to learn his natural element).



Where does it say that raikiri can only be performed only if lightning is your natural element??

Also where does it say that sasuke's natural element is fire, all it states is that the uchiha's have a natural affinity for fire. It also has to be considered that sasuke has a kekkei genkai which has to be made of the combination of two elements. I'm guessing one of the elements is fire, The other could well be lightning and sasuke could have a natural affinity for lightning also. There is no canon on how exactly a kekkei genkai user is connected with the elements.

I predict that sasuke will have a fight with juggo where he uses his sharingan to somehow subvert juggo's ability. After all the chapter end says the curse seals secret revealed. So i'm guessing sasuke understands the cursed seal and how to break it.

manufn619
April 16, 2007, 06:42 AM
next chapter will be awsome...

my opinion is cs3 jugo vs sasuke, revealing of cs secrets,of course.
maybe some incite on"that jutsu'

jodi
April 16, 2007, 07:26 AM
It also has to be considered that sasuke has a kekkei genkai which has to be made of the combination of two elements. I'm guessing one of the elements is fire, The other could well be lightning and sasuke could have a natural affinity for lightning also. There is no canon on how exactly a kekkei genkai user is connected with the elements.


Where does it say that bloodline limit is the combination of two elements?
Yamato's mokuton isn't bloodline limit, because the descendants of him do not use that kind of jutsu, otherwise, Tsunade would be very very powerful.
Bloodline limit is something that goes through generation without learning how to use it, when you learn it, you become Itachi or Sasuke, otherwise, you become like those dudes trying to beat Itachi. And it doesn't have to be two elements combining, it was just Haku's ice(water and wind).

About Sasuke's afinity, you are right.
He can have the fireelement and the thunder element.
But, his natural element affinity we do not know, it can be thunder or fire
as Kakashi stated, its too dificult to get into higher elemental jutsu without having a great affinity to it, and that a high jounin would have 3 elements, being one the most easy for him to use, so, by logic, being the most powerful
Kakashi has raikiri but Sasuke has flowing Chidori, so we don't know which one is the stronghest
Kakashi has katon, suiton and thunder(I forgot the word for this one) elements, and he is very good at suiton and thunder. I can't say it about katon because we have only seem he using it on the anime

Schabrak
April 16, 2007, 07:49 AM
Kakashi can do all elements... by copying a futon jutsu, he can use it. That is all there is to see and that is what is special about the Uchicha Sharingan bloodline. They can use all elements, even the strongest jutsu by using their eye.

PS: When was it stated that Sasuke learned a second element in a short time? He could have done it in secret...

lordHokage
April 16, 2007, 07:52 AM
1: Theres no way I'll believe naruto can beat kakashi. I dont care what he says, I havent seen anything to prove it. Nothing even close. Theres no way Kakashi' dumb enough to get hit by that stupid jutsu....just no way. Even kakuzu getting hit by it seemed like a shamless plot device, if kakashi did it would make no sense. Especially not if he uses his little "OMG there are clones behind you trick again."
2: What can Kakashi do Sauske cant?...save the MS. Their seriously like...the same ninja.
3. Raikiri...woot....Its the same damn jutsu with more power stuffed into it....that it has a seperate name at all is fucking retarded. Post time skip I find it hard to believe Sauske couldnt match its power. To this day im convienced that the whole Raikiri/Chidori distinction was a databook error that Kishi was forced to run with or something. Arguably the dumbest thing to come from the manga next to "body activation".

Whether you like or dislike the direction of the storyline the fact speaks volume. Until Kishimoto state otherwise for now we sit back, relax and enjoy the show :amuse



*sigh* As no-one seems to read the manga properly:

Raikiri is and always will be above chidori and outside of Sasuke's reach. Why? Because in order to have Raikiri you need lightning as your NATURAL element. You can learn other elements but you'll never be able to achieve the maxium power with it that you can with your own natural element (why kaz's jutsus were so powerful). Sasuke will always have chidori because his natural element is fire, the boys just a super genius because he learnt an element that wasn't his natural one in just a few days (in comparison to Naruto's training time in order to learn his natural element).

Both Sasuke and Naruto are above Kakashi

At this present time, I agree to your point of view even though we disagree on Sasuke above Kakashi :eyeroll

jodi
April 16, 2007, 08:04 AM
Kakashi can do all elements... by copying a futon jutsu, he can use it. That is all there is to see and that is what is special about the Uchicha Sharingan bloodline. They can use all elements, even the strongest jutsu by using their eye.

PS: When was it stated that Sasuke learned a second element in a short time? He could have done it in secret...

No, Kakashi can't do all elements
two things to prove:
Nature manipulation is different from the shape manipulation, kakashi can copy any shape manipulation, but not the nature, because he must somehow feel it. Sharingan can not copy this.
Two, if he can copy elements, why doesn't he copy Mokuton or Haku's Ice?

He can't.

And about your PS:
Kakashi tells Naruto that when he was training for Fuuton
He says something: You aren't a genius as Sasuke that learned a second nature in three days before the chuunin battle, but I have a training technique designed to you
something like that

matsyes
April 16, 2007, 08:09 AM
Where does it say that bloodline limit is the combination of two elements?
Yamato's mokuton isn't bloodline limit, because the descendants of him do not use that kind of jutsu, otherwise, Tsunade would be very very powerful.
Bloodline limit is something that goes through generation without learning how to use it, when you learn it, you become Itachi or Sasuke, otherwise, you become like those dudes trying to beat Itachi. And it doesn't have to be two elements combining, it was just Haku's ice(water and wind).

I went back to the chapter and reread it(chapter 316 pg 7 and 8) and ur right it just says that the combination of two elements can be considered a bloodline. But not all bloodlines are made of two elements or are due to combinations. (IMO kishi hasn't clarified enough in how the varioius jutsus are made)
However the combination of two elements is most certainly a blood line. Also why tsunade doesn't have the ability is a mystery. However Yamoto has no descendants as far as we know. He got his ability because of some experiment oro did with him using the first's cells.

walkie
April 16, 2007, 09:32 AM
No, Kakashi can't do all elements
two things to prove:
Nature manipulation is different from the shape manipulation, kakashi can copy any shape manipulation, but not the nature, because he must somehow feel it. Sharingan can not copy this.
Two, if he can copy elements, why doesn't he copy Mokuton or Haku's Ice?


sharingan can copy ninjutsus and taijustus thats what makes sharingan world-wide famous, and it can copy elemantal ninjutsus but the problem with copying elemental tech., is; not everybody has affinity with all elements or not every jounin, as kakashi said, can control more than 2 nature manipulation..so without knowing how to use, copying is not enough...

sharingan can not copy Haku's ice because it was bloodline ability, and can not copy mokuton because it is mixture of earth and water elements..they are more complicated than normal elemental jutsus...

yemsta
April 16, 2007, 09:37 AM
I havent seen a moderator tell us off about being off topic since we moved to v bulletin but it seems were gonna get one soon if people dont get on topic.

My prediction: The next xhapter will show a small fight between juugo and sasuke. I dont see how sasuke is going to get juugo to come with him he doesnt seem like a team player of any sort nor does he seem to have any motive to go on an adventure. Also if juugo has the urge to kill people at random then wont that be a problem im sure they dont need that on their hands while fighting itachi.

Something will be revealed in konoha i dont know what but i can feel it something important is going to be revealed.

Oooh and I realised sasukes plans he wants to roesurrect the uchiha plan (you can guess what karin is for hehe) <------------------ only jokin.

cerventus
April 16, 2007, 10:41 AM
Okay where are the 351 Perdictions?

Please stick to it.

351. I think we will see sasuke give juugo a genjutsu with his sharigan and reason with him in the alternate dimension

Then once Juugo is calm...we proceed to see a cell with Naruto with Kyubied eyes. He and Jiraiya are sparing. They are also exchanging words bout Naruto's concern over Sasuke.

Karin as part of Sasuke Expanssion plan? I doubt it. But who knows? Sasuke might just want to form a new hidden village.

yemsta
April 16, 2007, 11:18 AM
you make it sound so easy just take him to an alternate dimension and bam juugo must be smarter than that otherwise they wouldnt want him for the group would they. I agree with some other people who think we are going to learn about the curse seal.

ANBU4U
April 16, 2007, 12:11 PM
No gaara didn't use shukaku to beat lee, It was on his own strength. Unless you say that gaara has more chakra and exceptional sand control because of shukaku but then that is part of gaara and you cant really attribute it to shukaku otherwise every thing gaara does is because of shukaku.


Thats exactly what we're saying. His chakra fuses with the demons over time people!!! Its impossible to seperate the two..saying one did something without the other is stupid. The same goes for Naruto.

Jinchurichi are always using demon chakra to some extent.

Especially garra. I mean seriously....sand that protects him from a gord regardless of his own will? U really think that was all garra?

Red chakra that heals Naruto when hes critically injured...U think Naruto could keep that from happening?

Who else in Suna can control sand??? Clearly its not a sand technique....its something afforded by the sanbi. And after the damn things gone he can stillll control sand.....hmmmmm I wonder if their chakra fused.

These arguments are so dumb.


@ANBU4U
As far as we know Kakashi has a sense of smell to rival Kiba, Suiton and Doton jutsu and the MS.

Sasuke has a perfected Sharingan, Raiton, Katon and CS.

There are a few overlapping abilities, but they are not practically the same person.

dude. They're the same ninja. Except ones like...generation 2, new and improved. They're as close as two ninja can be. Think the 4th and Naruto. Even Kakashi says Sauske reminds him of himself.

Yes kakashi has a great nose. But I mean really....you're using that as ur major difference? Anyway, no..they're not Identical. But realisticly speaking as far as fighting style is concerned they could be father and son.


*sigh* As no-one seems to read the manga properly:

Raikiri is and always will be above chidori and outside of Sasuke's reach. Why? Because in order to have Raikiri you need lightning as your NATURAL element. You can learn other elements but you'll never be able to achieve the maxium power with it that you can with your own natural element (why kaz's jutsus were so powerful). Sasuke will always have chidori because his natural element is fire, the boys just a super genius because he learnt an element that wasn't his natural one in just a few days (in comparison to Naruto's training time in order to learn his natural element).

"That jutsu" isn't the fox tails. Seriously, Naruto didn't figure out how dangerous the kyuubi power was until after he had hurt Sakura during the Oro fight (and he didn't use "that jutsu" during that fight because he just went off the deep end and wasn't thinking). The original manga said "that jutsu", don't think that Kishi has that much sway over what happens with the anime, no mangaka does when their work is turned into an anime, they just get consulted on things every now and then. >.>

Both Sasuke and Naruto are above Kakashi, deal with it Kakashi fanboys. "Waah! Naruto's clone tricks are so stupid, Kakashi would never fall for them!" Uh, yeah you keep talling yourselves that, Sharingan or no, Naruto does have to skill now to hit Kakashi with Rasen Shuriken and then it would be game over. That's why Kakashi admits that Naruto is probably above him. Sasuke is just above Kakashi because despite the fact that he defeated Oro (like you need anymore proof than that), theres no way Kishi would have Sasuke (who is Naruto's final aim) below Naruto's current level of ability.

Now, back to the topic. Predictions, well the fight obviously. Sasuke probably explaining at least part of his plan and then it ending with Team Sasuke moving out (if Kishi draws it out then maybe more of the Naruto convo).

Show me the manga chapter where it says in ANY way that someones Natural element its automatically stronger than a secondary element. It implies that other elements are harder to learn...not that they're less powerfull when secondary.

Raikiri is a freakin nick name, or should be. Its as simple as putting more chakra into the chidori. And if you reallllllly wanna argue otherwise, then he could still overpower or match raikiri by putting some the the cursed seal power into his arm...as he's proven he can do.

S for naruto and kakashi....Ill believe it when I see it. Shikamaru couldnt trick Kakashi, I doubt Naruto could. All kakashi would need is One Sharingan Genjutsu and Naruto would be on his back thinking he was eating ramen. The big idiot...

yemsta
April 16, 2007, 12:38 PM
I agree with ANBU4U here when did it EVER say that raikiri is stronger than chidori from what I know its just a nick name because kakashi cut through lightening with it once. if you can show me where it says raikiri is more powerful then i appologise but im pretty sure its just a nickname.

The question really is if sasuke and kakashi clashed chidori's who would win?

Oh and lee sato you and a lot of people forget the condition of orochimaru when he fought sasuke. Another thing is that it wasnt really much of a physical fight it was more of a mental determination and willpower sort of thing. I mean come on look back at when naruto fought oro, orochimaru held it up against the kyuubi in 4 tails state. Sasuke won the fight (and I use that word loosely) becouse oro was trying to take over his body. In a physical fight to the death I personally think oro would win but it is impossible to say so you cannot assume that sasuke surpassed oro.

darknitemarch
April 16, 2007, 12:41 PM
Just to add my two cents, there's actually a difference in the Handbook between Raikiri and Chidori: Raikiri is an S-Rank jutsu and Chidori is an A-Rank jutsu.

jodi
April 16, 2007, 12:46 PM
I predict that Juugo is the source and the cure of the cursed seal, and it will be stated now
Probably, with Juugo, Sasuke removes the cursed seal from him

he used it against Orochimaru too quickly, i guess if he was going to keep it he wouldn't use that fast... likely to make some surprise

and think about it, if the cursed seal is so good, why doesn't Orochimaru use it?
answer: he mastered somehow the power learning from it source and he doesn't need a seal to give t him that power

Mendes
April 16, 2007, 02:31 PM
Just to add my two cents, there's actually a difference in the Handbook between Raikiri and Chidori: Raikiri is an S-Rank jutsu and Chidori is an A-Rank jutsu.

Sry for keeping off topic, but I was pretty shure that raikiri was no more than a nickname of Chidori... if there's a difference then please tell me what is it :/

PS- darknitemarch no need to change the sig, its definitively the best ever xD

GPZrag
April 16, 2007, 02:58 PM
Sry for keeping off topic, but I was pretty shure that raikiri was no more than a nickname of Chidori... if there's a difference then please tell me what is it :/

PS- darknitemarch no need to change the sig, its definitively the best ever xD

it hasnt been explained however the databook states that raikiri is a S LVL JUTSU and CHIDORI A LVL JUTSU... i think that its only about strenght that's all



S for naruto and kakashi....Ill believe it when I see it. Shikamaru couldnt trick Kakashi, I doubt Naruto could. All kakashi would need is One Sharingan Genjutsu and Naruto would be on his back thinking he was eating ramen. The big idiot...

hey dude! chill out, this manga is called naruto so take it easy... and i don't think naruto is THAT dumb, i mean kakashi him self stated that naruto is at least the same footing as he is..

bennibb
April 16, 2007, 04:10 PM
Especially garra. I mean seriously....sand that protects him from a gord regardless of his own will? U really think that was all garra?


I beleve the Sand in the guar was the blood from his mother when she died giving birth to Gaara. So its Not Shakakku??? power... But the love from his mother. Thats why its limited amount of that Sand. If it was the Ichibi, the source of that sand would be almost endless.

And True... Raikiri is just a nickname. Chidori and Raikiri is the same Jutsu. Raikiri was just a name Kakashi got when he cut a lightningbolt from the sky. And he has used it ever since. So Sasuke and Kakashi's Chidori vs Raikiri would stalemate.

And for those who thinks this is getting off topic... So???? Every predict is the same here, give or take. And the Moderators wants us to discuss in here ;) so its no worry. My predict is earlyer in the post. So i dont wanna repete myself ever time I make a post

bennibb
April 16, 2007, 04:17 PM
As for the Oro vs Sasuke. Its 100% clear to me that Sasuke was beaten in physical strenght by Oro. Oro telling Sasuke that hes Jutsu are still to weak. And a 100% stunned Sasuke was a easy match for Oro IF and only IF Oro wanted him dead. Lucky for Sasuke... that was not the case. Oro lost to Sasuke's wil alone. Sasukes revenge was stronger then Oros immortal dream

Davox
April 16, 2007, 05:18 PM
And True... Raikiri is just a nickname. Chidori and Raikiri is the same Jutsu. Raikiri was just a name Kakashi got when he cut a lightningbolt from the sky. And he has used it ever since. So Sasuke and Kakashi's Chidori vs Raikiri would stalemate.


I am pretty sure that they are two different jutsu, with chidori being some weaker version that he taught sasuke. IF I remember correctly Kakashi has sime limit to the number of Rakiri he can use while it is never explicitly stated that he has a limited amount of times he can perform chidori

On to the chapter:
I think that Sasuke is going to quickly stab Juugo though the hand or some where in his upper shoulder, and from there Suigetsu will show up and Juugo will stop momentarily before stating that he still wants to fight Sasuke to see if he is worthy of Juugo's allegiance.

jounin101
April 16, 2007, 05:27 PM
i'm from narutochaos, so i aint new to anything here...yall get spoilers, raws, etc faster, so i'll be here from time to time.

naruto and sasuke are above kakashi. kakashi has become better by activating mangekyou(used it 2 times when itachi can only use it 3 times), 5 raikiris in in a fight, a double raikiri) but what naruto and sasuke have done clinch it for me.

sasuke has been simply amazing with his sharingan since the time skip. making sai feel fear, going inside naruto and shutting down kyuubi, taking over oro's other world, showing kabuto what happened in oro's world, and all with relative ease. also, making chakra manipulation that oro has never seen has to account for something.

naruto has completed what kakashi, the 4th, jiriaya, nor anyone else can do, combining an element with rasengan(what the 4th wanted it for) he beat a guy who outclassed kakashi at being an overall nin. with 1 attack(regardless of how much of a plot device i think it was) and kakashi openly admits it. if i'm not mistaken, kakashi said "he's getting stronger for you" which makes me think sasuke is sitting above both kakashi and naruto at the moment.


naruto's "that jutsu" IS NOT KYUUBI! i doubt jiriaya focused on helping naruto with kyuubi after seeing how dangerous it is. also, i dont think jiriaya thinks naruto can control his emotions enough not to use kyuubi. it has to be something unseen, like sasuke's "that jutsu" oro told him not to use.

EDIT: oh, yeah, the chapter. i predict karin has something up her sleeve to stop juugo, or suigetsu appears and shows why he was gonna be a shinobi swordsman eventually.

Mendes
April 16, 2007, 05:30 PM
I am pretty sure that they are two different jutsu, with chidori being some weaker version that he taught sasuke. IF I remember correctly Kakashi has sime limit to the number of Rakiri he can use while it is never explicitly stated that he has a limited amount of times he can perform chidori

I may be stubborn about this... but i really dont remember any reference differing chidori and raikiri... we dont know how many shots he can do now, but i'm pretty shure its the exact same jutsu (if its different, then i dont think we've seen any reference about it in the manga/anime)

jounin101
April 16, 2007, 05:37 PM
we've seen kakashi do 5 raikiris in the fight, but he said he woulda did mangekyou after 4 if naruto, yamato, sai, and sakura didnt show up when they did. he said he could only do 4 chidoris when training sasuke, but ALOT has changed since then.
maybe raikiri requires less/more body activation, chakra or something. or raikiri is a combo of shunpo with the attack(which would explain sneaking behind kakuzu with that loud ass technique), while chidori is merely running with the attack.

blurrycloud
April 16, 2007, 05:48 PM
i believe raikiri and chidori are the same

Mendes
April 16, 2007, 06:00 PM
i think so as well... at least for what we've already seen in the manga and in the anime. spoilers aside, i dont think we had any information that says otherwise

razor
April 16, 2007, 06:15 PM
ops,back to topic.yeah.i think more on explanation by juugo on how to go to level 3 cursed seal or how to control yourself when goes to level 2.Or maybe he will explain to us how he seem doesn't ages.because it's look like he is around 20 to 30 something.

Diablos
April 16, 2007, 06:49 PM
naruto and sasuke are above kakashi. kakashi has become better by activating mangekyou(used it 2 times when itachi can only use it 3 times), 5 raikiris in in a fight, a double raikiri) but what naruto and sasuke have done clinch it for me.

Well you forget about the fact of ages and that , while Kakashi after using 2 times went to the hospital , Itachi just needed to rest awhile..

arslan
April 16, 2007, 07:38 PM
i don't think that we need to argue whether chidori and raikiri are the same or not. from what i have gathered until now, raikiri is a slightly more powerful than chidori, requiring more chakra control and more chakra being used for the jutsu.

THETRUTH.com
April 16, 2007, 08:45 PM
I think the best way to explain the difference between raikiri and chidori is, if lightning attacks were put on a line chidori would be near the end and the most powerful attack Raiton-Rasengan(if it existed) would be at the end. The raikiri would be between the two others due to its S-Class rank. The manga seems to imply that the chidori was Kakashi's attempt at creating a "raiton-rasengan". Thus the reason(if there is one) that Sasuke wouldnt be able to hone his chidori to a higher level would be he doesnt know the Rasengan.

Prediction Some Naruto Jiraiya convo. and Sasuke Juugo fight. Naruto & J-man talk about training.

ANBU4U
April 16, 2007, 10:12 PM
it hasnt been explained however the databook states that raikiri is a S LVL JUTSU and CHIDORI A LVL JUTSU... i think that its only about strenght that's all



hey dude! chill out, this manga is called naruto so take it easy... and i don't think naruto is THAT dumb, i mean kakashi him self stated that naruto is at least the same footing as he is..

Genjutsu. Has he ever...in anyway, shown any defense? Sharingan users excell at it, hes a moron. Itachi got him with a finger....a freakin finger.


I am pretty sure that they are two different jutsu, with chidori being some weaker version that he taught sasuke. IF I remember correctly Kakashi has sime limit to the number of Rakiri he can use while it is never explicitly stated that he has a limited amount of times he can perform chidori

On to the chapter:
I think that Sasuke is going to quickly stab Juugo though the hand or some where in his upper shoulder, and from there Suigetsu will show up and Juugo will stop momentarily before stating that he still wants to fight Sasuke to see if he is worthy of Juugo's allegiance.

Its like the difference between Shadow clones and Mass Shadow Clones. They're listed as seperate jutsu because of the amount of chakra released...Kakashi was able to put more and more chakra into the chidori as he mastered it and decided to call it raikiri one day...but thats all semantics. It looks the same, it acts the same, it sounds the same, its just packs more punch. The name change means nothing. Its a chidori....like the difference between jiarayia and Naruto's Rasengans....pre-time skip. I mean what if the toad hermit decided to call it....the earth crusher because he blew up a mountain one day. Its still just a better rasengan.

QMark
April 16, 2007, 10:53 PM
LMAO at the finger pun. But yeah, Naruto is pretty dumb.

What I want to happen in the next chapter is Juugo to pwn Sasuke. It definitely won't happen but hey, a guy can dream can't he? Anyway my real prediction is that Sasuke and Juugo will have a mini-battle. Nothing about jutsus but to remind us that the Sharingan still has just a few weaknesses.

bennibb
April 17, 2007, 03:23 AM
Its like the difference between Shadow clones and Mass Shadow Clones. They're listed as seperate jutsu because of the amount of chakra released...Kakashi was able to put more and more chakra into the chidori as he mastered it and decided to call it raikiri one day...but thats all semantics. It looks the same, it acts the same, it sounds the same, its just packs more punch. The name change means nothing. Its a chidori....like the difference between jiarayia and Naruto's Rasengans....pre-time skip. I mean what if the toad hermit decided to call it....the earth crusher because he blew up a mountain one day. Its still just a better rasengan.

I agree... Its clearly stated that its the same jutsu. If someone can use it better Its still the same jutsu. Raikiri was a name Kakashi got from cutting lightning from the sky. And he liked it... so he stuck to it. Thats all... Kakashi developed this jutsu... So for him to be a bit stronger then Sasuke at this is only natural after using it about 10 more years then Sasuke.

ArcReforged
April 17, 2007, 05:53 AM
Thats exactly what we're saying. His chakra fuses with the demons over time people!!! Its impossible to seperate the two..saying one did something without the other is stupid. The same goes for Naruto.

Jinchurichi are always using demon chakra to some extent.

Especially garra. I mean seriously....sand that protects him from a gord regardless of his own will? U really think that was all garra?

Red chakra that heals Naruto when hes critically injured...U think Naruto could keep that from happening?

Who else in Suna can control sand??? Clearly its not a sand technique....its something afforded by the sanbi. And after the damn things gone he can stillll control sand.....hmmmmm I wonder if their chakra fused.

These arguments are so dumb.



dude. They're the same ninja. Except ones like...generation 2, new and improved. They're as close as two ninja can be. Think the 4th and Naruto. Even Kakashi says Sauske reminds him of himself.

Yes kakashi has a great nose. But I mean really....you're using that as ur major difference? Anyway, no..they're not Identical. But realisticly speaking as far as fighting style is concerned they could be father and son.



Show me the manga chapter where it says in ANY way that someones Natural element its automatically stronger than a secondary element. It implies that other elements are harder to learn...not that they're less powerfull when secondary.

Raikiri is a freakin nick name, or should be. Its as simple as putting more chakra into the chidori. And if you reallllllly wanna argue otherwise, then he could still overpower or match raikiri by putting some the the cursed seal power into his arm...as he's proven he can do.

S for naruto and kakashi....Ill believe it when I see it. Shikamaru couldnt trick Kakashi, I doubt Naruto could. All kakashi would need is One Sharingan Genjutsu and Naruto would be on his back thinking he was eating ramen. The big idiot...

STOP. BEING. SUCH. A. FAN. BOY.

GPZrag
April 17, 2007, 08:24 AM
Genjutsu. Has he ever...in anyway, shown any defense? Sharingan users excell at it, hes a moron. Itachi got him with a finger....a freakin finger.



Its like the difference between Shadow clones and Mass Shadow Clones. They're listed as seperate jutsu because of the amount of chakra released...Kakashi was able to put more and more chakra into the chidori as he mastered it and decided to call it raikiri one day...but thats all semantics. It looks the same, it acts the same, it sounds the same, its just packs more punch. The name change means nothing. Its a chidori....like the difference between jiarayia and Naruto's Rasengans....pre-time skip. I mean what if the toad hermit decided to call it....the earth crusher because he blew up a mountain one day. Its still just a better rasengan.

as i told you before "chill out", this thread is for us to discuss about naruto so if ppl have other opinions, just let it be. On the other hand itachi is older than naruto and is a high lvl gentjutsu user stop talking like naruto was caught, anyways nobody has seen a REAL battle beteween naruto and itachi so we will just have to wait....

ibblows
April 17, 2007, 09:50 AM
anyone think sasuke wants juugo for a cure to the curse seal?

jounin101
April 17, 2007, 10:07 AM
Genjutsu. Has he ever...in anyway, shown any defense? Sharingan users excell at it, hes a moron. Itachi got him with a finger....a freakin finger.



Its like the difference between Shadow clones and Mass Shadow Clones. They're listed as seperate jutsu because of the amount of chakra released...Kakashi was able to put more and more chakra into the chidori as he mastered it and decided to call it raikiri one day...but thats all semantics. It looks the same, it acts the same, it sounds the same, its just packs more punch. The name change means nothing. Its a chidori....like the difference between jiarayia and Naruto's Rasengans....pre-time skip. I mean what if the toad hermit decided to call it....the earth crusher because he blew up a mountain one day. Its still just a better rasengan.

mass shadow clones makes more shadow clones and pours more chakra into the technique. sure, if you compare the 1 clone made from the 2, there shouldnt be a difference, but the jutsus are different. same with raikiri and chidori. apparently the same with rasengan and oodama rasengan.(in terms of similarities, but different amounts of chakra.

but yeah, naruto is a moron with no defense!

Dark soul within
April 17, 2007, 10:18 AM
anyone think sasuke wants juugo for a cure to the curse seal?

Possibly...but I think he's more likely to keep the cursed seal because of the power that it gives him.

Sasuke will prob use sharingan against Juugo and we'll discover some more of Sasuke's plans. Don't know if we'll see much about Naruto in the next chapter...the latest chapters have mostly been concentrating on Sasuke and not much else.

mars0103
April 17, 2007, 10:45 AM
Thats exactly what we're saying. His chakra fuses with the demons over time people!!! Its impossible to seperate the two..saying one did something without the other is stupid. The same goes for Naruto.

Jinchurichi are always using demon chakra to some extent.

Especially garra. I mean seriously....sand that protects him from a gord regardless of his own will? U really think that was all garra?

Red chakra that heals Naruto when hes critically injured...U think Naruto could keep that from happening?


Let just say one thing some jinchurichi's control some of the tail's chakra naruto is not one of them because the way the the kyuubi is sealed. naruo only realses that chakra when he is really ticked off.

to the chapter a though pages with the 5th naruto a the pev convesing and sasuke having one hell of a fight

Mendes
April 17, 2007, 10:53 AM
Possibly...but I think he's more likely to keep the cursed seal because of the power that it gives him.

Sasuke will prob use sharingan against Juugo and we'll discover some more of Sasuke's plans. Don't know if we'll see much about Naruto in the next chapter...the latest chapters have mostly been concentrating on Sasuke and not much else.

I agree. I guess sasuke is more concerned on becoming more powerful. He was ready to sell his soul and body to oro in exchange for power... it makes more sense to me that he's planing to use all the power he has for his main purpose, even if it means damaging his body.
As for juugo's choice, i had a guess... but not too shure about it. I first thought sasuke would use juugo as a killing tool, as it seems that's the only thing he can do. However by looking at this last chapter, it looks that sasuke is actually concerned about sparing lives, even with people that means nothin to him, which makes me think again about this. We need more information about juugo and what is he supposed to do for his crew

ANBU4U
April 17, 2007, 12:00 PM
as i told you before "chill out", this thread is for us to discuss about naruto so if ppl have other opinions, just let it be. On the other hand itachi is older than naruto and is a high lvl gentjutsu user stop talking like naruto was caught, anyways nobody has seen a REAL battle beteween naruto and itachi so we will just have to wait....


Kakashi is older and a high level genjutsu user too...so why would he fare better?

And how....would naruto fighting the real thing improve his preformance? That just mean Naruto will need more help escaping his finger.


STOP. BEING. SUCH. A. FAN. BOY.

Just the facts Jack. Ill change my tune as soon as Naruto's worth a damn.

lordHokage
April 17, 2007, 12:28 PM
Ill change my tune as soon as Naruto's worth a damn.

What do you have against Naruto? Keep in mind it just a comic strip, don’t take it personal :)

yemsta
April 17, 2007, 01:14 PM
lol this is why I love MH. ANBU4U u always seem to stir up a good argument when u post.

Oh and when you say "Ill change my tune as soon as Naruto's worth a damn" do u mean the character naruto or the manga in general?

ANBU4U
April 17, 2007, 03:42 PM
lol this is why I love MH. ANBU4U u always seem to stir up a good argument when u post.

Oh and when you say "Ill change my tune as soon as Naruto's worth a damn" do u mean the character naruto or the manga in general?

The Character. I love the Manga.

I just find Naruto ability to develope incredibly difficult skills while all together skipping basic ones frustrating to no end. So I vent here.

But of course I love Naruto.

lordHokage
April 17, 2007, 04:02 PM
The Character. I love the Manga.

I just find Naruto ability to develope incredibly difficult skills while all together skipping basic ones frustrating to no end. So I vent here.

But of course I love Naruto.

I love Naruto too. His character development is never ending but at same time it's exciting to watch :blink

Mendes
April 17, 2007, 05:14 PM
The Character. I love the Manga.

I just find Naruto ability to develope incredibly difficult skills while all together skipping basic ones frustrating to no end. So I vent here.

But of course I love Naruto.

i feel the same way u do on that matter. i was almost shure naruto would come back after his training with Jiraya as a complete ninja, with no laps on the basics, but he failed me...
naruto may not be one of my favourite characters, but when he goes bersek with kyuubi its just awesome and its a shame he cant use it intentionally... I still hope naruto focuses again on using kyuubi's chakra. Maybe when he realizes sasuke's going to keep using and improving his CS state (i hope) he'll feel he has no option but to use a similar method of instant super power and turn to kyuubi again begging for its major help. But then again... even if he uses kyuubi, sasuke can just seal it like he did the last time they met, which makes naruto, in my opinion, clearly weaker than sasuke

sabyr
April 17, 2007, 06:14 PM
If Sasuke needs CS to defeat a non-kyuubi naruto than sasuke would be weaker. :P

But I agree, right now Sasuke can kick everyone and their grandma's ass.

DarkManSharingan32
April 17, 2007, 06:25 PM
Geez... every Tuesday or Wednesday there should be some sort of bot that comes around here... and starts zapping people for off-topic posts. I can see how discussions can happen here... but this is off a bit more than a few standard deviations.

Please... get back to discussing, or i will have to start deleting posts until the point drives home.
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And to get us started I'll start:
Next chapter, we'll probably be another Konoha preview... We'll see a galvanized Naruto and Sakura, with a reluctant Jiraiya and Tsunade.

From here... It is my HOPE that we will see a high level battle between Juugo and Sasuke. But who knows...his could be all build up for an anti-climatic end where Juugo end up being downed by a pissed off Suigetsu, or insane Karin. lol

For an ending... how about Naruto and Co. preparing to go after Saaaaassuukkkeee. (GOSH. that was annoying in the anime.)

USC Trojans
April 17, 2007, 08:43 PM
I got bored....here's what I think the script for 351 will be.



Juugo comes rushing towards Sasuke, and Sasuke prepares to immobilize Juugo. But Suigetsu arrives and gets sword happy and cuts Juugo in half.

Suigetsu looks at Sasuke.

Sasuke looks at Suigetsu.

Awkward pause.....

Suigetsu: Oops

Sasuke: Oops? Is that all you can say? Now what the hell am I gonna do?

Karin: (blushing) Well Sasuke, you can do m....

Sasuke: (interrupting before she can finish) For the last time Karin, I'm not gonna do yo...

Karin: (interrupting again)...well Juugo did have a twin brother imprisoned in this complex. I can try to locate him.

Sasuke: You mean...Juugo's twin....Yugo?

Karin: Yes, the compact car manufacturer from Serbia, sold in the US from 1984 to 1992.

Suigetsu: Its a piece of crap car...poor gas mileage.

Sasuke: Yes, but thats the only option we have now. Karin, I want you to locate the Yugo.

Karin: No problem, I'm on it.

Suigetsu: Alright, even if we do find Yugo, what will we do? What was your plan B?

Sasuke: We will drive around the different countries looking for the person that I swore I'd kill.

Suigetsu: you mean....road trip?

Sasuke: yes...road trip

Suigetsu: shotgun!!!

Sasuke: No, since you got us in this mess, you sit in the back. Karin gets shotgun

Suigetsu and Sasuke sit and wait for Karin. Karin comes back after 30 minutes.

Karin: Damn, the Yugo was hard to find, but I found the cell he's contained in.

Suigetsu: Well smarty pants, where is he then?

Karin: He's been sitting in his prison for several years...Yugo won't start.

Sasuke: Take me there, Karin

Karin, Suigetsu, and Sasuke walks away and arrives at a large prison cell containing a piece of crap car.

Karin: Its no use, the batteries are dead, and the nearest Pep Boys is over 400 miles away.

Sasuke ignores Karin, walks to the car, and pops open the hood.

Sasuke: Stand back......................CHIDORI!!!!

Yugo awakens, Karin and Suigetsu are amazed.

Yugo: VROOOM VROOOOM

Sasuke: Alright, let's hit the road..........

End of Chapter

bloodrage
April 17, 2007, 10:58 PM
The Character. I love the Manga.

I just find Naruto ability to develope incredibly difficult skills while all together skipping basic ones frustrating to no end. So I vent here.

But of course I love Naruto.


Wow i don't really want to go off topic here but amm could you please point out what basic ninja skills naruto doesen't have cause i wouls really like to know if you don't mind that is

lordHokage
April 17, 2007, 11:58 PM
I got bored....here's what I think the script for 351 will be.

Juugo comes rushing towards Sasuke, and Sasuke prepares to immobilize Juugo. But Suigetsu arrives and gets sword happy and cuts Juugo in half.

Suigetsu looks at Sasuke.

Sasuke looks at Suigetsu.

Awkward pause.....

Suigetsu: Oops

Sasuke: Oops? Is that all you can say? Now what the hell am I gonna do?

Karin: (blushing) Well Sasuke, you can do m....

Sasuke: (interrupting before she can finish) For the last time Karin, I'm not gonna do yo...

Karin: (interrupting again)...well Juugo did have a twin brother imprisoned in this complex. I can try to locate him.

Sasuke: You mean...Juugo's twin....Yugo?

Karin: Yes, the compact car manufacturer from Serbia, sold in the US from 1984 to 1992.

Suigetsu: Its a piece of crap car...poor gas mileage.

Sasuke: Yes, but thats the only option we have now. Karin, I want you to locate the Yugo.

Karin: No problem, I'm on it.

Suigetsu: Alright, even if we do find Yugo, what will we do? What was your plan B?

Sasuke: We will drive around the different countries looking for the person that I swore I'd kill.

Suigetsu: you mean....road trip?

Sasuke: yes...road trip

Suigetsu: shotgun!!!

Sasuke: No, since you got us in this mess, you sit in the back. Karin gets shotgun

Suigetsu and Sasuke sit and wait for Karin. Karin comes back after 30 minutes.

Karin: Damn, the Yugo was hard to find, but I found the cell he's contained in.

Suigetsu: Well smarty pants, where is he then?

Karin: He's been sitting in his prison for several years...Yugo won't start.

Sasuke: Take me there, Karin

Karin, Suigetsu, and Sasuke walks away and arrives at a large prison cell containing a piece of crap car.

Karin: Its no use, the batteries are dead, and the nearest Pep Boys is over 400 miles away.

Sasuke ignores Karin, walks to the car, and pops open the hood.

Sasuke: Stand back......................CHIDORI!!!!

Yugo awakens, Karin and Suigetsu are amazed.

Yugo: VROOOM VROOOOM

Sasuke: Alright, let's hit the road..........

End of Chapter

Help and hope is just around the corner :eyeroll

GPZrag
April 18, 2007, 01:12 AM
uhhhmm well, we just need to wait the chapter is just around the corner... anyways i have question for you ppl (kind of "off topic") is it just me or NARUTO SHIPUUDEN sucks as an anime i saw all his chapters and well i rather never saw him it destroys the nice memory of the manga?

Mendes
April 18, 2007, 01:29 AM
uhhhmm well, we just need to wait the chapter is just around the corner... anyways i have question for you ppl (kind of "off topic") is it just me or NARUTO SHIPUUDEN sucks as an anime i saw all his chapters and well i rather never saw him it destroys the nice memory of the manga?

Agree... i guess they're too cautious about reaching the manga. Which means they'll probably continue with this nail step for all shippuuden. You usually have to wait 2 weeks (sometimes more) for each chapter, and even in a double chapter it doesnt change anything at all. In the last double chapter, they only shown the fight between sasori and kankurou... I understand they want to avoid another filler period, but its tooooo slow right now :/

GPZrag
April 18, 2007, 01:36 AM
Agree... i guess they're too cautious about reaching the manga. Which means they'll probably continue with this nail step for all shippuuden. You usually have to wait 2 weeks (sometimes more) for each chapter, and even in a double chapter it doesnt change anything at all. In the last double chapter, they only shown the fight between sasori and kankurou... I understand they want to avoid another filler period, but its tooooo slow right now :/

yeah i understand that, however i really meant the ANIMATION, dude! it really sucks the first was way better than this part when it comes to animation... or i dunno this is just me T_T

kheopz
April 18, 2007, 08:13 AM
I was curious to know if Sasuke Sharigan has an effect on the kyuubi's eyes. I mean if it did than I believe that it would have been someone from his clan who wuld have sealed or killed the Kyuubi but It was none of them which strongly implies that it's only limited to human eyes.

Where am I going with this? Well Naruto has Kyuubi's eye so therefore it's not human eyes so I think Sharigan has no effect on him cuz that will imply that it has an effect on the Kyuubi's eyes. I mean uring naruto and Sasuke's fight all he did with his Sharigan was to read Naruto's movement (to a certain extent i would say).

Point is if it was someone else than an Uchiha who sealed the Kyuubi's that means that it didn't work ...and work work on Naruto .. Sharigan has other assets but when Naruto has those Kyuubi's eyes it because limited. The only time it had effect on Naruto was when he didn't have Kyuubi's eyes. ....unless I'm wtong

ScF_MegamanX
April 18, 2007, 08:26 AM
Thats right you better follow those rules or try to be MOD. Heh :D
i say that sasuke is going to fight all 3 of them people he collected and just slaughter them when orc. takes over :D cause you just know he's in there and somehow he will take over sasu and it will seem like he owns then he gets taken out somewhat but yah haha




I havent seen a moderator tell us off about being off topic since we moved to v bulletin but it seems were gonna get one soon if people dont get on topic.

My prediction: The next xhapter will show a small fight between juugo and sasuke. I dont see how sasuke is going to get juugo to come with him he doesnt seem like a team player of any sort nor does he seem to have any motive to go on an adventure. Also if juugo has the urge to kill people at random then wont that be a problem im sure they dont need that on their hands while fighting itachi.

Something will be revealed in konoha i dont know what but i can feel it something important is going to be revealed.

Oooh and I realised sasukes plans he wants to roesurrect the uchiha plan (you can guess what karin is for hehe) <------------------ only jokin.

richtoyz
April 18, 2007, 08:52 AM
Thats right you better follow those rules or try to be MOD. Heh :D
i say that sasuke is going to fight all 3 of them people he collected and just slaughter them when orc. takes over :D cause you just know he's in there and somehow he will take over sasu and it will seem like he owns then he gets taken out somewhat but yah haha

here is the problem with your theory oro cannot overcome the sharingan so even if he's in there as u say we will work itachi's statment all oro's jutsus r nothing before the sharingan

GPZrag
April 18, 2007, 01:12 PM
here is the problem with your theory oro cannot overcome the sharingan so even if he's in there as u say we will work itachi's statment all oro's jutsus r nothing before the sharingan

wouldn't be more accuarate to say that "all oro's genjutsus are worhtless before the sharingan"? :tem

richtoyz
April 18, 2007, 03:19 PM
wouldn't be more accuarate to say that "all oro's genjutsus are worhtless before the sharingan"? :tem

orochimaro ... all your jutsus are inefective in front of these eyesthis was itachi's statment to oro when he tried to take over his body

i was just quoting iatachi

Mendes
April 18, 2007, 03:34 PM
orochimaro ... all your jutsus are inefective in front of these eyesthis was itachi's statment to oro when he tried to take over his body

i was just quoting iatachi

Thats true but itachi and sasuke have different eyes. No matter how sasuke improved his sharingan, its still not at its limit, like itachi's. I may be wrong bout this, but i just cant accept oro's death... he has to have something up his sleeve. After the short scene with oro's past fight with itachi, it makes clear how much oro's jealous of itachi's MS. He wants it so bad it makes me think he lost to sasuke on purpose, so that he can take over sasuke and persuade him to kill naruto sometime in the future and achieve MS for himself.

richtoyz
April 18, 2007, 03:55 PM
i don't think he lost on purpose but i do think he overestmated itachi and underestimted the sharingan

the shringan can understand any genjutsu, taijutsu or ninjutsu
i think oro thaught that it was just because itachi was stronger than him that he coudn't take his body. so he was banking on the view that sasuke isn't as strong as itachi, but i think anyone who can use their sharingan would b able to resist oro's technique

arslan
April 18, 2007, 04:02 PM
Thats true but itachi and sasuke have different eyes. No matter how sasuke improved his sharingan, its still not at its limit, like itachi's. I may be wrong bout this, but i just cant accept oro's death... he has to have something up his sleeve. After the short scene with oro's past fight with itachi, it makes clear how much oro's jealous of itachi's MS. He wants it so bad it makes me think he lost to sasuke on purpose, so that he can take over sasuke and persuade him to kill naruto sometime in the future and achieve MS for himself.

i have to disagree. i think the purpose to show oro being whooped by itachi was to showcase sasuke's growth. achieving MS does not make itachi's normal sharingan better, the higher level is the Mangekyou Sharingan itself. about oro being alive, i think kishi has left a possibility of a plot twist but i personally like the fact that oro is no longer in the pictire

Yondaime-Uzumaki
April 18, 2007, 04:29 PM
yeah i understand that, however i really meant the ANIMATION, dude! it really sucks the first was way better than this part when it comes to animation... or i dunno this is just me T_T

Yeah I saw that too. The animation was pourly done Lately. Especialy the : Deidera and Garra fight that people were waiting for . I mean thats the first fight of the shippuden series . I mean their supose to upgrade the animations for the new series. I was expecting more from that fight. Just look at bleach they upgraded the Animation since the HM arc started. For exemple , the fight betwen Grimmjow and Ichigo were awsom , even Ikaku's , All the fights were nicely done.

Even DBZ did the same thing , you could clearly see the difference between Dragon ball and DBZ. Their suppose to draw the caracters as they are in the manga or upgrade the quality, just like they did in the first part . 'cause sometimes the animation is so bad and pourly done that even I who's not yet a professinal can do better. when i read the manga i imagine how awsome it will be animated . I dont want to see worse drawings compared to the manga but better , That's what the did in the first part. But now that kishi's art has goten even better compared to early chapters , they start doing weird things. -_-; suriously, the old animation crew should get back . I hope they fix it soon.

If they screw another big fight i'll just stick to the manga.

uchihaj
April 18, 2007, 05:30 PM
I don't know if anyone has made mention of this yet (I didn't read all of this forum), but I think that there are separate names to Sasuke's chidori and Kakashi's raikiri, because of a past event involving kakashi. His original move had the sound of birds chirping and it was called chidori, but there is a story of him cutting through lightning once and the name lightning cutter was formed (raikiri).

Karma
April 18, 2007, 05:56 PM
Thats true but itachi and sasuke have different eyes. No matter how sasuke improved his sharingan, its still not at its limit, like itachi's. I may be wrong bout this, but i just cant accept oro's death... he has to have something up his sleeve. After the short scene with oro's past fight with itachi, it makes clear how much oro's jealous of itachi's MS. He wants it so bad it makes me think he lost to sasuke on purpose, so that he can take over sasuke and persuade him to kill naruto sometime in the future and achieve MS for himself.we both see things the same way.. :D.. trust me.. thats what i think as well.

-Itachi-
April 18, 2007, 10:51 PM
Hi guys, Im new here and I find some of the theories interesting so i had to add a comment :P

Chidori vs. Raikiri

In appearence Chidori is almost white in color and lesser powerful because Raikiri is the upgraded version of Chidori and is more concentrated therefore it appears as Blue in color.(Do not know how reliable the source in wikipedia is) Raikiri requires more chakra and a better chakra control which only means that the overall power of Raikiri is far greater then Chidori therefore Kakashi has a limit of the number of Raikiri he can use which is 4 or 5? However we do not know if he had a limit for Chidori and to sum it up Raikiri is way more effective then Chidori or Rasengan.

Raikiri Vs. Chidori Nagashi

I believe that Raikiri is more powerful then Chidori Nagashi because Chidori is formed around the hand whereas chidori Nagashi is sort of like expanded and goes through the users body so it has lesser damage to the opponent compared to a concentrated Chidori in a hand thus Chidori Nagashi could only temorarily paralyse opponent around sasuke (naruto & sai) whereas, Chidori for example before the time skip could even piearce through Gaara's sand guard and injured gaara to such a degree that kankuro had to carry garaa and that was only the chidori damage what about raikiri? Kakashi pierced through kakuzu's heart and even stopped 2 different attacks with 2 raikiri in both hands.

However all this does not show or proof that Sasuke's lightning element is weaker then Kakashi's because of the fact that we do not know the true power of sasuke as in the fight between Sasuke and Orichimaru, he used the lightning element with a shape manupilation that even Orichimaru didnt know Sasuke could do that. So for now I would say that Sasuke's lightning base elemental jutsu has already surpassed Kakashi's that is very obvious for the shape manupilation however the nature or chakra we still do not know. However, I am certain that Sasuke still pwn's Kakashi comparing their lightning because in the second arch the writer is mostly trying to tell us that most of the genins or the new generation have surpassed their sen sai's (teachers). For example Naruto surpass Forth or Kakashi with the invention of the Rasengan Fuuton.

-Itachi-
April 18, 2007, 10:55 PM
I am not a Orichimaru fan however I would really like to see sasuke being somehow possessed by orichimaru deep inside his alter ego.. just like in Bleach where ichigo and his hollow fight to control the body.. keke that would be cool i guess and it is such a waste to kick off a good but evil villain like orichimaru. Or maybe he is just dead, as we have seen before that the writer has killed many villians from the very start of their appearence and never brought them back like zabuza or kimimaro some of my favourites.

Yeah it is true that Konoha cannot do anything about sasuke and they have no leads on the where about of him and even if they do or where to send anbu or who ever most probably they are no match for him :P

xpierrex
April 19, 2007, 05:34 AM
yep sounds like oro is dead, in an old interview kishimoto said that the oro character wasn't that popular and that he planed to kill him sooner.
but obviously there's a lot of possibility to make him interact with the destiny of sasuke... we'll see it in time.

for this new chapter i like to see suigetsu slap that bitch ! damn she wants sasuke for her own it's intolerable ! kukukuku :)

lordHokage
April 19, 2007, 07:16 AM
Thats true but itachi and sasuke have different eyes. No matter how sasuke improved his sharingan, its still not at its limit, like itachi's. I may be wrong bout this, but i just cant accept oro's death... he has to have something up his sleeve. After the short scene with oro's past fight with itachi, it makes clear how much oro's jealous of itachi's MS. He wants it so bad it makes me think he lost to sasuke on purpose, so that he can take over sasuke and persuade him to kill naruto sometime in the future and achieve MS for himself.

I too share your view on this very hot controversy matter. I look forward to that chapter when Orochimaru resurface once again. :oro :lick :Haha

cerventus
April 19, 2007, 10:26 AM
Oro might just appear in the fillers from now on.


hahahahaha..

Seriously. I think Sasuke visiting Juugo to remove his limit of the curse seal from oro.

Getting its purest form.

notBowen
April 19, 2007, 10:42 AM
If you'll recall, Bleach took quite a few episodes to get back to decent quality after it switched back to canon. The first couple were quite bad.

-Itachi-
April 19, 2007, 12:05 PM
...:::The Team Sasuke Plan:::...
Any prediction about that?

Here are some of the ideas of what i think... :P

Suigetsu:
Firstly lets start with suigetsu, orichimaru's experiment is a former mist shinobi i presume, and has connection with Zabuza. Suigetsu takes his sword from zabuka's grave and zabuza happens to be the legendary sword shinobi of the mist (who else is named that?) Itachi's patner Kisame also is know as one of them. So i was thinking Sasuke one and only plan is still to revenge his clan by killing itachi and to do that I'm pretty sure he will need the help of Suigetsu in some ways because he happens to most likely know kisame as he has said he trained very hard to join them.. And sauske so far has only met 2 members of Akatsuki i believe is his brother Itachi and Kisame.. so maybe he is preparing to start killing members of Akatsuki after all?

Karin:
Little is known about her ability, we know she can somehow detect the chakra and where a person is. Does that mean she can also detect Itachi's chakra and get a lead on the where about of Akatsuki members? that could be possible...

Jugo:
Another new character with not much clue of what he is for.. However the only connection sasuke and jugo has is the curse seal and since sasuke depends alot on the curse seal as seen from orichimaru and sasuke fight where he had no choice but to use the cs2 so maybe he is seeking for more power and wants to activate his cs3 with the help of jugo. And maybe karin is also in the team for that reason as she is one of orichimaru's guard or maybe more then that she might also be a medical resercher like orichimaru and she seems to know alot about Jugo's psychological problems..

This are only prediction made by me so feel free to comment on them.. :P

laughing@you
April 19, 2007, 12:25 PM
I share your opinion. A very exhausted Naruto defeated Kakuzu at full strength where as a cursed seal two Sasuke defeated a feeble Orochimaru and he's now consider be to more powerful than Naruto. That doesn’t make any sense, someone please enlighten me because I miss the boat :confused:

:offtopic2 The whole idea is that sasuke has being one step ahead than naruto. When naruto finally found sasuke, not only naruto was owned but the whole team in general. I still think that naruto would have defeated kakuzu even if he was fighting him from the start. Naruto's jutsu would have killed all kakuzu's hearts with one hit, thats my belief.

At this point after the rasen-shuriken jutsu naruto could be at the same level as sasuke. But we have to remember that his jutsu is about 50%, is not yet complete, on the other hand sasuke jutsu is complete(has to be confirmed). The difference between sasuke and naruto is what their training has to show for. Naruto spent 2.5 years training to exploit the kiuby's powers, now his trying to restrain himself from using it. Sasuke spent 2.5 years training on different jutsu, sharingan, a well rounded fighter, skills his not restricted from using. Given, Naruto spent less than a week to learn a jutsu that probably took sasuke 2 years, but again his being restricted to use it to.

Naruto is like ichigo he needs a reason to continue growing, if he was on par with sasuke since the beginning he wouldn't need to get stronger. A goal has to be therel or the whole journey becomes feeble and without a purpose.

What we can really see here is that Sasuke is not messing around. Kishimoto is portraying what sasuke's 2.5 years of training has giving him. That his a badass. But again what can you expect Itachi killed his own clan, you have to be really strong, i mean really strong to kill that many ppl that have your same ability. Sasuke has to be at that level, in order to have a chance against him.

What kishimoto is probably trying to show us with this story is that naruto will get strong to rival itachi, sasuke, and akatsuki, but he won't be screwed in the head nor follow the dark side to do so. :P

Back on topic: I predict that at the end of this chapter we shall see either naruto finishing his jutsu or packing to head out and find sasuke.

-Itachi-
April 19, 2007, 12:59 PM
i agree with laughing with you...

When we first saw naruto, at the chunin exam.. The sand shinobi were like really strong compared to the rest of the genins specially Gaara.. he was like king and with the evil kinda attitude he kicked ass.. and naruto and shikamaru were shaking when they saw garaa pissed at some guy and killed him instantly.. However later on Naruto met jiraya and learn the summoning technique which helped him to defeat gaara or shall i saw the result was a draw but still he could put on a good fight..

Similarly now Sasuke is at the same state as how Gaara was back then.. He seems really strong and now that naruto has learned the new Rasengan fuuton he is somehow closing the gap that they had at the beganing of naruto shippuden. But the question to ask is, Is sasuke still an enemy? If they ever met will they fight and the winner gets what they want? or will they always be going their separate ways... And whenever naruto learns a new jutsu there will always be a fight to show the power of the jutsu that is how the writer portraits the power of the jutsu.. when he learnt rasengan he used it on kabuto keeping him out of battle after one shot.. and now he killed kakuzu with his rasengan fuuton...

yemsta
April 19, 2007, 01:47 PM
All this is very true to be honest I was one of those complaining about how sasuke gets everything but come to think of it now has naruto ever lost a fight? He pwned kabuto, nejo =, kakuzu, kiba, garra, everyone but sasuke. Now look at sasuke he lost to itachi and he lost to garra. I think its sasuke's time so let him have his 15 mins of fame.

Prediction: Sasuke after finding juugo is going to go to Konoha, I always get flamed about this but I think its the best way for him to achieve his goals. He is not going to live there and do missions or anything but I really think he will return for a brief encounter. (maybe a friendly sparing session with naruto). Or maybe im just a fanboy hoping to see naruto and sasuke fight together again.

kadoman
April 19, 2007, 01:58 PM
How does going back to Konoha help Sasuke to achieve his goals? A genuine question! Not a flame, or an accusation! :amuse

For what it's worth, I don't think that Sasuke going back to Konoha as a prediction is a bad one. I can see it happening. It's not highly likely, mind you, but it could happen. I have to say I'm all out of prediction steam lately. I haven't a clue what the heck Kishi has got planned.

Edit: and wah! 3 UK flags in a row! Woot! Got to be a first. :smile-big

bighawke5
April 19, 2007, 03:07 PM
All this is very true to be honest I was one of those complaining about how sasuke gets everything but come to think of it now has naruto ever lost a fight? He pwned kabuto, nejo =, kakuzu, kiba, garra, everyone but sasuke. Now look at sasuke he lost to itachi and he lost to garra. I think its sasuke's time so let him have his 15 mins of fame.

Prediction: Sasuke after finding juugo is going to go to Konoha, I always get flamed about this but I think its the best way for him to achieve his goals. He is not going to live there and do missions or anything but I really think he will return for a brief encounter. (maybe a friendly sparing session with naruto). Or maybe im just a fanboy hoping to see naruto and sasuke fight together again.

naruto did lose many fights (kimimaro, zabuza, rock lee, orochimaru (in part one of anime/manga) lol meh i do think its sasuke's time to shine even though he doesnt get as much screen time as naruto but when he does he dont dissapoint....i think also that the fact that naruto will keep using the F RASENGAN although he was told not to do so...he'll prob find a way to use it that wont hurt him as much...the fact that he's been restricted from going tails states makes it look like he asnt learned anything during 2.5 years but im sure in one tail state he could own the past one tail state naruto...to me he has improved but is being restricted and its only when he has confidence in his own powers that hell see he dont need the tails state to be a good ninja...to me he has trained all this time to save sasuke and now that sasuke is free he'll go find him to at least talk about wats next or something even if sasuke doesnt show up in konoha...if akatsuki gets in his way he'll use what he learned during wind chakra training and his own skills to fight....plus i think that kyubi mode(when he fought HAKU) is beneficial to im more so then tail mode (when he fought sasuke) since he gets a boost of stats in almost everything but doesn't get injured like in tails modes.

yemsta
April 20, 2007, 01:42 AM
How does going back to Konoha help Sasuke to achieve his goals? A genuine question! Not a flame, or an accusation! :amuse

For what it's worth, I don't think that Sasuke going back to Konoha as a prediction is a bad one. I can see it happening. It's not highly likely, mind you, but it could happen. I have to say I'm all out of prediction steam lately. I haven't a clue what the heck Kishi has got planned.

Edit: and wah! 3 UK flags in a row! Woot! Got to be a first. :smile-big

Sorry about that I wasnt clear. Im still thinking along the lines of Itachi wants naruto therefore to find itachi you must first find naruto. Its probably just my imagination though.

Hiroshi
April 20, 2007, 06:25 AM
RAW is out...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4cahl3


Awesome! You're a champion. Thanks a lot!

laughing@you
April 20, 2007, 08:06 AM
I think sasuke is probably extracting orochimaru's jutsus.

Another naruto-less chapter!!

Remus
April 20, 2007, 08:32 AM
AMAZING CHAPTER !!!
But now Kado's gonna go all freaky and we have to deal with another impact of " Yaoi for the Win"-campaign. Damn you Kishi why do you have to overdo it with Sasuke. But I like Juugo he definitely is a nice character. I wonder what Jutsus he has.

coungpow
April 20, 2007, 08:44 AM
So I'm a crummy forum poster b/c i didn't read through the other 18 pages so if this has already been said or asked sry. But what do you guys think of sasuke's use of snakes and his sudden murderous intent? I know he can control snakes just as naruto does frogs but do think there's something more to it. Like instead he absorbed orochimaru, b/c it was never very clear to me what had happened to Oro... and uses his power for better snake manipulation. I suppose the murderous intent could have just been to scare Suigetsu and Juugo to stop them from fighting. Or was it Oro's leaking out when sauske tapped into him to control the snakes.

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 08:46 AM
I didn't see much yaoi opportunity in this chapter though, sadly, Remus. :amuse I was pissed with Karin - again. *groan* I mean honestly. Ooo..Sasuke you're so hot! Leave that to us squealing fangirls, Kishi. For crying out loud, give us decent female character.

Well, this was an ok chapter. Things we know about Sasuke now:

- As he pretty much already demonstrated with Oro, he is now able to utilise the curse seal effortlessly, instantly and without pain. Remember back to when he used to resist it and it caused him pain? It also used to take a little while for the transformation to complete. Not anymore.

- He always was cool, calm and collected but I see Itachi's persona in him now, more than ever. He's unaffected and a boy of few words - like his brother.

- He is either utilising Oro's own jutsus from within, or he is simply demonstrating what Oro has taught him re: the snake jutsu

- He is unquestionably strong and Kishi is going out of his way to show us this. Even Juugo is easily restrained by him and his subordinates don't dare go against him. Makes you wonder how Naruto would go up against him. Makes you wonder how anyone would go up against him, except his brother.

- His humanity is still in tact (but we already knew that). He really tries to avoid killing - which is a good sign that he's not turning into the hateful little monster Itachi wanted him to be. However, what is this plan of his? No new info on that.

As for Juugo, it's obvious he's a nice boy who's got a big problem. He needs Naruto to help him 'see the light'! :amuse Suigetsu is growing on me.

donkeyhigh
April 20, 2007, 08:53 AM
Heh, kadoman summaried all my thoughts in one simple post.
Good work, I agree on every point to full extent.

1nfamous
April 20, 2007, 08:58 AM
wow

coungpow
April 20, 2007, 09:01 AM
agreed kakoman, wish i could be as articulate

aine
April 20, 2007, 09:03 AM
Well, this was an ok chapter. Things we know about Sasuke now:

- As he pretty much already demonstrated with Oro, he is now able to utilise the curse seal effortlessly, instantly and without pain. Remember back to when he used to resist it and it caused him pain? It also used to take a little while for the transformation to complete. Not anymore.


One more important thing we've learnt (imo at least)... why he wears what he wears. Is it me or has his sash/belt been shifting? Seems like a rope belt is a pretty precarious thing to be wearing if you're going to be smashed into walls.

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 09:07 AM
One more important thing we've learnt (imo at least)... why he wears what he wears. Is it me or has his sash/belt been shifting? Seems like a rope belt is a pretty precarious thing to be wearing if you're going to be smashed into walls.

Yeah, I remember back when we first saw his new outfit, many people suggested it was designed that way in order to accommodate his curse seal trans and it looks like they were right. We got to see that back when he defeated Oro too.

Um...I haven't noticed a shift in his belt; maybe Kishi just forgets where he draws it sometimes! :tem Do you think we'll be lucky enough to see what happens when the belt 'fails' after getting smashed into a wall. :smile-big

donkeyhigh
April 20, 2007, 09:12 AM
Jesus Christ, if I wasn't so busy with Graphical Design at school, I'd color the hell out'a the page13 picture. You all know which picture I mean.
I mean, that is one of the coolest pictures I've seen in any manga in a loong time!

Ahhh! I just want to dump all my projects and color that picture instead!
When I get the chance, believe you me, it'll be in the Art-section!

aine
April 20, 2007, 09:14 AM
Yeah, I remember back when we first saw his new outfit, many people suggested it was designed that way in order to accommodate his curse seal trans and it looks like they were right. We got to see that back when he defeated Oro too.

Um...I haven't noticed a shift in his belt; maybe Kishi just forgets where he draws it sometimes! :tem Do you think we'll be lucky enough to see what happens when the belt 'fails' after getting smashed into a wall. :smile-big

I certainly hope so! But it looks like he'd still be wearing too many layers, unless he doesn't have a separate belt for his trousers..

(Edit: Since he's dressing for "easy access" anyway. >P)

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 09:22 AM
Jesus Christ, if I wasn't so busy with Graphical Design at school, I'd color the hell out'a the page13 picture. You all know which picture I mean.
I mean, that is one of the coolest pictures I've seen in any manga in a loong time!

Ahhh! I just want to dump all my projects and color that picture instead!
When I get the chance, believe you me, it'll be in the Art-section!

Oh please colour it! :wtf Don't bait us like that...don't say things like, 'if', say 'I will!' I agree, it's wonderful image.

Edit: wait are you talking about the snake jutsu or his 'tired eyed' close up?

utjyms
April 20, 2007, 09:34 AM
Hey guys, am I the only one that's excited with Itachi being included in the next chapter? Anyways, It seems like Jungo's curse seal can allow him to morph his arm (so far) into different weapons...kinda like Carnage from Spider-Man. Also, when Sasuke first appeared in part 2, he mentioned that even if he combined strength with Orochi. the chances of defeating Itachi will still be slim. Nevertheless, Sasuke needed the Orochi.'s power to stand a chance against Itachi. Thus, this chapter implies what it means when Sasuke said he took over. I wonder, however, if Sasuke's hold on Orochi. has a limit of any sort; as in if Orochi can manifest himself when Sasuke becomes weak.

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 09:43 AM
Hey guys, am I the only one that's excited with Itachi being included in the next chapter? Anyways, It seems like Jungo's curse seal can allow him to morph his arm (so far) into different weapons...kinda like Carnage from Spider-Man. Also, when Sasuke first appeared in part 2, he mentioned that even if he combined strength with Orochi. the chances of defeating Itachi will still be slim. Nevertheless, Sasuke needed the Orochi.'s power to stand a chance against Itachi. Thus, this chapter implies what it means when Sasuke said he took over. I wonder, however, if Sasuke's hold on Orochi. has a limit of any sort; as in if Orochi can manifest himself when Sasuke becomes weak.

Nope, you're not the only one who's excited at that prospect, but I guess I've been tricked by those side panel predictions before, so I wasn't getting my hopes up.

Actually, the first thing I thought of when I saw Juugo's weapon was Trigun but maybe I'm showing my age? :amuse Ah, it's not that old! Now, you guys must know about Vash and his angel gun? Anyway, that's the first thing that sprang to mind.

Yes, it's interesting to think back to when Sasuke told Naruto that if Oro taking over his body was what it took to defeat Itachi, then so be it. I mean, he wasn't far off the mark after all, was he? Okay, so Oro didn't manage to use Sasuke as a container, but in a way, Oro has achieved his own goal (of living on through someone else's body) yet again - his conscience and his spirit are alive within, albeit, controlled by Sasuke, who is using his power for his own means. Oro and Sasuke are really helping each other, aren't they?

I think you're right though, and Sasuke isn't good enough to defeat Itachi just yet.

bubblegumchi
April 20, 2007, 09:52 AM
Hey guys, am I the only one that's excited with Itachi being included in the next chapter?

HAHAHA.. you're not the only one now! im totally excited!! i can't wait for the next chap to come out! it's a little weird that nobody but you mentioned about it... it's totally... EXCITING!!! LOL... XD

richtoyz
April 20, 2007, 10:00 AM
i dont think oro would agree with u guys though he would want to b dominant oro was in this for himself only so don't kid yourselves but i hope they find itachi soon would b some good action there

ornis
April 20, 2007, 10:02 AM
I hope Itachi is in the next chapter but you never know. I mean, whereabouts...? Heck I can have it revealed to you where I am... but never have to show my face or even speak.

Maybe I'm pessimistic.... I mean, on that matter.

@ Kadoman The first thing I thought about was... um... BIG O. <Considering the arm thingy Juugo uses> And, yes, Trigun is old :P

lordHokage
April 20, 2007, 10:21 AM
This chapter was okay. The urge to kill is the big secret. Karin is annoying and Suigetsu is very funny. Kishimoto portray of Sasuke is unbelievable insane, base on the previous chapters he’s setting him up for a big downfall. As for Juugo, he reminds me of Gaara, his best interests is Naruto and not Sasuke, he’s no good. :notrust

ornis
April 20, 2007, 10:26 AM
@ richtoyz

I have to agree: Oro's for dominance, all the way---but Oro was a coward to me. I mean what was his true goal?

It was like he tried to escape responsibility and chose immortality... he chose... to live a long... irresponsible life ><

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 10:36 AM
@ richtoyz

I have to agree: Oro's for dominance, all the way---but Oro was a coward to me. I mean what was his true goal?

It was like he tried to escape responsibility and chose immortality... he chose... to live a long... irresponsible life ><

I think that's the point with Oro. I don't think we're meant to go, yesh, Oro, you little champion!(not that you would), I think we're meant to pity him, at long last. Kishi alluded to this when he showed us that snippet of Oro's backstory and also, by having Sasuke - his own pupil - take him out when he was old and weakened (echoes of how Oro took his own master out). Kishi does dramatic irony. :amuse

He got verbally bitch slapped by Sasuke who more or less told him he was a pathetic and desperate creature hardly worth spitting on. To be talked down to like that by the likes of a cocky young Uchiha upstart was the ultimate humiliation for Oro, who'd started out so menacing and so powerful (think back to who was in charge during the chuunin exams). That was our cue to feel sorry for the wretch.

I don't think he consciously tried to escape responsibility as much as he was just one helluva an ambitious guy. He was too ambitious for his own good (Macbeth anyone?) and his ambition was his downfall in the end. Ambition will probably be Itachi's downfall too.

ornis
April 20, 2007, 10:45 AM
Exactly, that ambition owned him; he was never leading himself.

He was "caught up" to me.

I'm thinking Oro couldn't escape what ever was "killing" him about life, maybe about being a normal ninja, or a dutiful follower that is blind to self importance.

He kind of settled for a patient crawl to supremacy and didn't get any, so he wanted to be dominant to me... but in a very silly way. Through a very undignified and sadistic life.

Why didn't he search for what was beyond technical, wordly things... he just grew absorbed in them, consumed himself by becoming a pansy to the next jutsu he could learn, and ate away at a precious, valuable life... he blew off the way other ninja appreciate life <e.g., Konoha's commitment to family >...

He walked "dead alive" to me, just to see things "in motion" as he put it.

Uchiha Slayer
April 20, 2007, 11:39 AM
Snakes+Sharingan, Snakes +Sharingan, Snakes + Sharingan.

I'm sorry this dude(Sasuke) is looking like a freak of nature.

Ehrinuchi
April 20, 2007, 11:55 AM
Well, this was a good chapter,
It seems like Juugo's curse seal can allow him to morph his arm into different weapons…interesting.
I also liked the Snake jutsu Sasuke used…Cool.

And I really hope that Karin has more special abilities other than locate people and being a fangirl,
and I agree with kadoman :“Kishi. For crying out loud, give us decent female character..”

hehe and yeah Suigetsu is really funny.

coolitman
April 20, 2007, 11:56 AM
here i am just about to complain that naruto himself seems to have disappeared again! just when i thought he would get back into the plot! Karin seems to have revealed her inner fangirl again and once again we see the lads causing a ruckus while the girl looks on in admiration...oh well what can you do? i hoped karin would kick some boy butt bigtime...OH GOD WHAT THE HELL WERE THOSE SNAKES? They weren't like attached to Sasuke right? cos that would be damn scary and slightly orochimaru-esque...i wonder if sasuke manages to convince juugo to join him...and what he wants to do with him - looking forward to itachi...and hopefully some mention of naruto...bring on 352!

strongarm85
April 20, 2007, 11:58 AM
Oh Geeze.

Alright, I have a new nickname for Juugo.

From now on I shall refer to him as "Big-O" when he uses his transforms using the Curse seal.

kadodo
April 20, 2007, 12:14 PM
Man, that was a chapter to talk about. We finally got to see some fighting. Juugo, Sasuke and Suigetsu. What's up with Karin? Can't she fight? Anyways,

Sasuke is the man, just like that with the snake, he made these guys stop fighting. I wonder if that was his move or Orochimaru's move.

richtoyz
April 20, 2007, 12:17 PM
i think sasuke will help juugo manage his cs and the murderous intent so that he can b an iffective shinobi, i don't think oro ever tried to elp juugo but just to exploit his cs so maybe sasuke found out how to help him, so that is why he wants him in his team

strongarm85
April 20, 2007, 12:24 PM
Its not that Karin can't fight. Sasuke wouldn't have brought her along if she wasn't tough. It works to her advantage though is Suigetsu and Juugo kill each other in a fight though so she wasn't about to interfere. See if Suigetsu and Juugo had killed each other then she'd have been alone with Sasuke without and still come out in good standing with him.

SmallTiger
April 20, 2007, 12:31 PM
Well, well... Sasuke's finally becoming interesting. LOL



:ramen ----- Hey, maybe now Sasuke can teach me that tongue thing!

ornis
April 20, 2007, 12:51 PM
Oh Geeze.

Alright, I have a new nickname for Juugo.

From now on I shall refer to him as "Big-O" when he uses his transforms using the Curse seal.

Bingo *winks*

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 12:57 PM
Its not that Karin can't fight. Sasuke wouldn't have brought her along if she wasn't tough. It works to her advantage though is Suigetsu and Juugo kill each other in a fight though so she wasn't about to interfere. See if Suigetsu and Juugo had killed each other then she'd have been alone with Sasuke without and still come out in good standing with him.

I think that's what some of us annoyed about - that once again, Kishi has created a character who spends virtually every waking minute thinking of ways to ensnare Sasuke. I have no doubt she can fight. Like you say, Sasuke would not have chosen her to be in his team if she couldn't give a good account of herself in a fight. But so far, as a character, she's only shown us how obsessed she is with Sasuke and little else (isn't Naruto's obsession enough?). I do hope she ends up proving her worth later on down the track but in the meantime, I'm disappointed. I had high hopes for her character.

ihearthinata
April 20, 2007, 01:04 PM
holy shite
what a great way to end the issue..
Sasuke can conjure snakes now? So only him and Anko have that ability.. or is it because of Oro being inside of him...

scroto
April 20, 2007, 01:24 PM
All I know is Juugo = The Big O

Seriously, it was almost an exact copy in look and action...

Where is Roger Smith?!!?

laughing@you
April 20, 2007, 01:30 PM
holy shite
what a great way to end the issue..
Sasuke can conjure snakes now? So only him and Anko have that ability.. or is it because of Oro being inside of him...

You bring a good point if anko can summon snakes why can't sasuke. Meaning that probably sasuke is not under the influence of oro or using him by that matter?

Or if sasuke is using oro to widen his arsenal it means that he let oro start the ritual cuz he was planning on capturing him for his goals. It could be a different way of seing things. On the other hand it would probably give more power to sasuke's plans if all the events until now have being expected by him, probably expect more explanation if kishimoto decides to explain further down more insight in the sas vs oro fight.

Any how we see that Juugo is not the kid everybody though off, he was portrayed more as man rather than a kid. Not even juugo could take on sasuke. Although juugo matched sasuke speed cuz normally he would have dodged such a forward attack, instead he called on his CS2 side. Don't know if it was part of the strategy to try and talk to him or he just couldn't evade it. I was amazed that juugo managed to move that fast having a prisoners steel ball attached to his leg.

I'm wondering if juugo's CS enables him to transform his hand into any kind of weapon? The transformation of the arm to an axe type blade fighting suigetsu popped that idea in my head. So when suigetsu mentioned that juugo had some pretty cool tricks, kishimoto is hinting us that his transformations could vary.

Also, it looks like juugo faced kimimaru, I wonder who messed up who in that fight?

On karin, i'm thinking that sasuke recruited her to find itachi and thats it. If she was really strong, sasuke wouldn't bother pushing her out of the way. Most likely she didn't even fight one of those CS2 users.

sasuto
April 20, 2007, 01:33 PM
Man, Kishi made sasuke too damn powerful, he's like unbeatable now, all that's left is for him to have mangekyou.

ihearthinata
April 20, 2007, 01:36 PM
this is really leaning towards the Legendary Sainin's now

Naruto - Jiraiya ->Frog
Sasuke - Oro -> Snake
Sakura - Tsunade -> Slug???

ChristopherE
April 20, 2007, 01:38 PM
Is it just be or is Juugo kind of line Ichigo in bleach? Ichigo had an innerhollow who took over and attacked with an intention to kill and Ichigo had to hold it back?

--

Anyways, I see Karin betraying Sasuke in a way (Wait until she sees Itachi, she'll think he's "so much cooler") and suigetsu will probably take on kisame.

Juugo will help for awhile but I think he'll either suppress his killer instinct or suicide by having no one to kill therefore killing himself. Or if sasuke or something is in a fight and he attacks, he won't be able to defend himself so he'd have to just get Juugo.

ihearthinata
April 20, 2007, 01:40 PM
You bring a good point if anko can summon snakes why can't sasuke. Meaning that probably sasuke is not under the influence of oro or using him by that matter?

Or if sasuke is using oro to widen his arsenal it means that he let oro start the ritual cuz he was planning on capturing him for his goals. It could be a different way of seing things. On the other hand it would probably give more power to sasuke's plans if all the events until now have being expected by him, probably expect more explanation if kishimoto decides to explain further down more insight in the sas vs oro fight.

Any how we see that Juugo is not the kid everybody though off, he was portrayed more as man rather than a kid. Not even juugo could take on sasuke. Although juugo matched sasuke speed cuz normally he would have dodged such a forward attack, instead he called on his CS2 side. Don't know if it was part of the strategy to try and talk to him or he just couldn't evade it. I was amazed that juugo managed to move that fast having a prisoners steel ball attached to his leg.

I'm wondering if juugo's CS enables him to transform his hand into any kind of weapon? The transformation of the arm to an axe type blade fighting suigetsu popped that idea in my head. So when suigetsu mentioned that juugo had some pretty cool tricks, kishimoto is hinting us that his transformations could vary.

Also, it looks like juugo faced kimimaru, I wonder who messed up who in that fight?

On karin, i'm thinking that sasuke recruited her to find itachi and thats it. If she was really strong, sasuke wouldn't bother pushing her out of the way. Most likely she didn't even fight one of those CS2 users.

Yea, it's stange to see that Sasuke can now use snakes, since nothing really pointed to that. So that came to my conclusion as well that he is probably using Oro now for his power.

I think Juugo probably lost to Kimimaru, since Oro wanted him, if that wasn't the case, Oro would have wanted Juugo's body. ??

What i am also wondering now is if Sasuke is looking for all these people to help kill Itachi? If this is so, then Itachi must be one powerful SOB, unless we see Suigetsu fighting Kisame.. ??

hitokugutsu
April 20, 2007, 01:59 PM
OMG Kishi is drawing all of Sasuke's moves in an extremely cool way. First the "flash steps" 2 chaps ago and now the snakes....it looks awesome. Reminds me of Bleach in way
Anyway last chapter the side text at the end said we would learn the secret of the CS and we got nothing (unless you count that Sasuke can do partial CS transformations)
And about Karin being weak or strong, the cover claims that Karin belongs to the strongest kunoichi, so I assume she has much more to show then her tracking skills

directorj
April 20, 2007, 02:18 PM
Hehe, Karin didn't fight Juugo because she's weak, she didn't because she actually listens. Sasuke told them not to fight or kill. Suigetsu needed to be reminded of that with snakes...

I have to agree with Karin though, Sasuke's coolness has reached new heights. He's matured in a lot of ways (but he's still emotionally stunted). I wonder if he'll summon Manda. The snake from this chapter looked more like Manda Jr.

The Snake, Slug, Frog imagery is interesting, but don't forget that Sasuke's curse seal form is that of a hawk, the natural predator of the snake.

Sentou Ryoku
April 20, 2007, 02:36 PM
If they're heading out next chap, then it kinda derails the Akatsuki's plans for world domination real fast. I predict a Konoha-Sasuke Team-Akatsuki 3-way battle brewing.

panzerzanaku
April 20, 2007, 02:39 PM
directorj
i agree with u karin is smart and shes definately not weak. ppl need to realise that she was in charge of one of oro hideout, we all know thatoro dosent pick weak ppl to head stuff for him.

arent u guys asking for too much too soon these are new characters do u xpect kishi to just flash all there moves on stupid squirmishes, wudnt u rather want to see them in a all out fight of importance?

w00t i just fell back in love with this manga....go kishi go

after seeing him waste out gaara then kill him and bring him back to life, showing just how dumb naruto really is, having an over over abundance xposure of shika and the way kakuzu was cheapened out. I thought i wasgonnaend up stop reading the manga like wat i did with bleach, b ut thank goodness for sasuke emergance into the manga and these 3 new characters :D.

i love wat kishi did with the snakes on sasuke that was really cool made my day.
it wud be really interesting if sasuke can also summon manda, wud be very cool...i guess wwe'll just have to wait and see.

i hope kishi dosent kill karin i love her character, if he plans to actually make sasuke have a love interest i'm hoping it will be her and not sakura.

-Itachi-
April 20, 2007, 03:29 PM
Is it just be or is Juugo kind of line Ichigo in bleach? Ichigo had an innerhollow who took over and attacked with an intention to kill and Ichigo had to hold it back?

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Anyways, I see Karin betraying Sasuke in a way (Wait until she sees Itachi, she'll think he's "so much cooler") and suigetsu will probably take on kisame.

Juugo will help for awhile but I think he'll either suppress his killer instinct or suicide by having no one to kill therefore killing himself. Or if sasuke or something is in a fight and he attacks, he won't be able to defend himself so he'd have to just get Juugo.

yeah i agree with u.. Its similar to bleach the idea came from split or double personality.. However I think Kishi had already thought of this a long time ever since he created the curse seal. Orichimaru gave it to sasuke and we knew then that when he used that curse seal he would be kinda "evil" in some ways so this is not new just that juugo is the origin of curse seal and most probably he just wanted to make him a psychotic freak.. which is really cool btw..

ForteAnly
April 20, 2007, 04:00 PM
That was pretty cool how Sasuke was able to stop their quarrel so easily. Sasuke's badassness is just more and more these days. That Karin gets impressed by everything that Sasuke does. That would be funny if she does dump Sasuke for Itachi and Suigetsu for Kisame.

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 04:57 PM
I don't think Juugo actually has multiple personality disorder - that's just what Suigetsu said about him (more or less) in his mocking way.

What he has is an unquenchable thirst for killing. He has just one personality but he gets uncontrollable urges to murder anything that moves - which would drive anyone mad.

Karma
April 20, 2007, 05:22 PM
I don't think Juugo actually has multiple personality disorder - that's just what Suigetsu said about him (more or less) in his mocking way.

What he has is an unquenchable thirst for killing. He has just one personality but he gets uncontrollable urges to murder anything that moves - which would drive anyone mad. correct... I think the same..

richtoyz
April 20, 2007, 05:42 PM
for those who think sasuke is using oro's power in 2 1/2 years what do u think oro and sasuke was doing waiting for the time to past or do u think he was in training.
with his sharingan he could learn most of oro's jutsus

lordHokage
April 20, 2007, 05:55 PM
I don't think Juugo actually has multiple personality disorder - that's just what Suigetsu said about him (more or less) in his mocking way.

What he has is an unquenchable thirst for killing. He has just one personality but he gets uncontrollable urges to murder anything that moves - which would drive anyone mad.

I agree. I feel so sorry for him. I would like to know his background, was it similar to Naruto, Gaara and maybe Neji. If so, there is only one person who can help him. :p

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 05:59 PM
for those who think sasuke is using oro's power in 2 1/2 years what do u think oro and sasuke was doing waiting for the time to past or do u think he was in training.
with his sharingan he could learn most of oro's jutsus

I tend to think the same as you. Whilst it's not impossible that Sasuke is utilising Oro's power, it's more likely that he's just demonstrating a technique that Oro has taught him. It could even be a combination of the two, if we wanted to be ultra fair - but I really think it's a jutsu he's learned.

ANBU4U
April 20, 2007, 06:32 PM
Yea, it's stange to see that Sasuke can now use snakes, since nothing really pointed to that. So that came to my conclusion as well that he is probably using Oro now for his power.

I think Juugo probably lost to Kimimaru, since Oro wanted him, if that wasn't the case, Oro would have wanted Juugo's body. ??

What i am also wondering now is if Sasuke is looking for all these people to help kill Itachi? If this is so, then Itachi must be one powerful SOB, unless we see Suigetsu fighting Kisame.. ??

Kishi been making allusions to sauske summoning snakes one day since like...chapter 6.

Its simple summoning, he signed a contract. No way hed dredge up Oro for that.

DarkManSharingan32
April 20, 2007, 07:57 PM
Whoo. Kishi seems to be going all out for Sasuke, and since he IS his favorite character, I can see why. lol

This chapter continues Kishi's streak of great chapters by simply developing his new characters on a nearly perfect pace.

Sasuke's new developments along with Juugo and Suigetsu (It wont be long before Karin gets her shot...) really make this chapter-worthwile.
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I would really like to say... that Sasuke's use of those snakes is THE most effective/scariest use since Orochimaru in the Forest of Death. Sasuke really is showing his dominance here... more so over his teammates than against other characters... like Itachi and Kakashi.

ANBU4U
April 20, 2007, 08:43 PM
Whoo. Kishi seems to be going all out for Sasuke, and since he IS his favorite character, I can see why. lol

This chapter continues Kishi's streak of great chapters by simply developing his new characters on a nearly perfect pace.

Sasuke's new developments along with Juugo and Suigetsu (It wont be long before Karin gets her shot...) really make this chapter-worthwile.
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I would really like to say... that Sasuke's use of those snakes is THE most effective/scariest use since Orochimaru in the Forest of Death. Sasuke really is showing his dominance here... more so over his teammates than against other characters... like Itachi and Kakashi.

Id thuroughly love to see a Kakashi Vrs. Sauske match-up. If only to see where they're both at.

Omi
April 20, 2007, 08:44 PM
Oh my.
complete Sharingan
uchiha body and blood
fire capability with inclination and then mastery of lightning
shape/form manipulation of at least lightning
kusinagi skills -- capable of taking out 1000 nins without killing a single one
kunai and shuriken skills + wire dominance
fire based ninjutsu
Chidori & advanced variants
taijutsu
genjutsu/projection
cursed seal
cursed seal 2
cursed seal 2.5 ... partial full transformations
snake summoning
------------------------------------- What are you Sasuke

But did anyone notice Kakashi's seal looks like it is back. I thought it was gone when Naruto & co caught up with him last time.
Also that intent to kill ... I bet it had to be something he picked up from Oro since he used something like that on Sai but then again he may have just tapped into Oro's normal attributes (nothing of host is lost ... now nothing of the guest(s) is lost).

Omi
April 20, 2007, 09:00 PM
In regards to Juugo. His body is awesome. Looks like he can transform into any of the forms that the others have turned into (barring extra normal arms, legs and heads), tranform his body into any shape capable of taking on the decapitation blade's sharp edge (someone help me out, what's Zabuza's swords name again?) and even do some Big O impersonations. But what does Sasuke want him for I wonder.
Looks like Sasuke is going to be pissed at a certain someone when he see a certain dead body.

theshizzle
April 20, 2007, 09:00 PM
I hope They talk about Akatsuki, maybe Akatsuki will try to recruit Sasuke..

ninetailfox84
April 20, 2007, 09:02 PM
hmm, a great chapter in my opinion but the lack of naruto and konoha really irritates me. Well i guessed, its time for sasuke to shine, let it be.

But i hope we will see naruto and co. soon! :p

MadDog
April 21, 2007, 12:19 AM
Id thuroughly love to see a Kakashi Vrs. Sauske match-up. If only to see where they're both at.

There is one way this could happen (although just a remote, unlikely possibility). If Suigetsu's "goal" is to take revenge on the ninja most responsible for taking down Zabuza, then Kakashi would fit the bill. In this scenario, Sasuke could end up fighting Kakashi if he wants Suigetsu to in turn help with his showdown with Itachi. Regardless, it would be a good fight.

THETRUTH.com
April 21, 2007, 05:36 AM
This "Sasuke Arc" is why that last arc was so mishandled. Kishi was looking ahead to this arc and neglected the previous arc. Kishi could have done several things to improve the "Shika Arc" by doing a little of what he is doing in this arc like character development. He missed an opportunity to show both Ino & Chouji's development and show their grow their "Will of Fire" but he didnt. But know it makes sense he was spending all his time thinking about how to make Sasuke look like the strongest shinobi to ever live(Oro even never looked this strong he summoned Shodai & Nidaime during Sandaime battle).

The chapter was ok though he could have concluded Juugo recruitment and Sasuke plan this chapter. After this Arc concludes the story should pick up substantially since he has got most of his uber-Sasukeness out on paper. He should start to let other characters improve and others stop taking steps back. Now that Naruto is off the clock I am not sure how much the pace will increase.

The whole Sasuke murderous intent, with Sai and Juugo, makes me wonder if Juugo was the one who killed the Uchiha as he looks to be older (or just big maybe) during one of his "breaks". And you guessed it the one that snapped him out of it was Itachi the same way Sasuke did. Why would Itachi let Sasuke think he did it? He felt the Uchihas had grown comfortable and too proud while not even knowing the measure of their own ablilities. Letting his brother think this way keeps him from falling into that trap. Except in light of how Kishi is depicting Sasuke he probably would feel that takes away from Sasuke.

yemsta
April 21, 2007, 08:10 AM
This "Sasuke Arc" is why that last arc was so mishandled. Kishi was looking ahead to this arc and neglected the previous arc. Kishi could have done several things to improve the "Shika Arc" by doing a little of what he is doing in this arc like character development. He missed an opportunity to show both Ino & Chouji's development and show their grow their "Will of Fire" but he didnt. But know it makes sense he was spending all his time thinking about how to make Sasuke look like the strongest shinobi to ever live(Oro even never looked this strong he summoned Shodai & Nidaime during Sandaime battle).

The chapter was ok though he could have concluded Juugo recruitment and Sasuke plan this chapter. After this Arc concludes the story should pick up substantially since he has got most of his uber-Sasukeness out on paper. He should start to let other characters improve and others stop taking steps back. Now that Naruto is off the clock I am not sure how much the pace will increase.

The whole Sasuke murderous intent, with Sai and Juugo, makes me wonder if Juugo was the one who killed the Uchiha as he looks to be older (or just big maybe) during one of his "breaks". And you guessed it the one that snapped him out of it was Itachi the same way Sasuke did. Why would Itachi let Sasuke think he did it? He felt the Uchihas had grown comfortable and too proud while not even knowing the measure of their own ablilities. Letting his brother think this way keeps him from falling into that trap. Except in light of how Kishi is depicting Sasuke he probably would feel that takes away from Sasuke.

I dont think that is going to happen but that could be a likely twist in the storyline later on that someone else in fact killed the uchiha clan and itachi covered up for them so the uchihas left over would stop thinking they were so up high and start striving fo excellence.

tricel
April 21, 2007, 08:57 AM
wow another great sasuke manga chapter! keep up the good work in making this sasuke manga worthy to read for sasuke manga fans. so sasuke can use some/or all of oro's techniques! it will really look cool if he can also turn into snake,or have a very long tounge as well as if he can finallly be invinsible to all kinds of attacks,move fast like flash or maybe shoot some kamehame wave to obliterate his enemies,he should also kill naruto,kakashi,sakura(pick one) to finally have the perfect eyes like his brother itachi.

IgnorantSage
April 21, 2007, 09:51 AM
Sasuke is really starting to turn out really powerful and some new characters are also being introduced but are still underdeveloped.
I don't have much love for Juugo and Karin, I'm more interested with Suigetsu. I'd like to see him fight against Sai.

I guess this manga should change its title to 'Sasuke' instead of 'Naruto' if the manga keeps on going like this... (I'm not a Sasuke fanboy btw)

MNL1989
April 21, 2007, 10:46 AM
All this Sasuke is really getting on my nerves, where is anybody else right now. Wheres Naruto's chuunin exam? Anything except all this Sasuke dont get me wrong its good for the story but there is too much development for characters who I dont see staying around very long really unless they decide to go back to Konoha with Saskuke if he does. Where is the development for Kiba and Hinata and others from Konoha? Nobody wants to see only Sasukes almighty untouchable scale

Ehrinuchi
April 21, 2007, 10:47 AM
I guess this manga should change its title to 'Sasuke' instead of 'Naruto' if the manga keeps on going like this... (I'm not a Sasuke fanboy btw)

Wow, really Kishi just shows few chapters with Sasuke, and then everyone is like ooo he should
change the name to “Sasuke”.
The guy was out of commission for 100+ chapters so it's only natural that a few be dedicated to him.
Sasuke is Naruto’s friend and rival he has to develop his character.
personally, I’m enjoying this arc i think it’s interesting.
Anyways, I also remember it was the same when there was a Shikamaru arc. People were also complaining change the name to “Shikamaru”

Don’t worry the manga is called “Naruto” for a reason:), I believe that once the team has been assembled and Sasuke telling his team what’s next and his plan, and why he picked them, what they're each going to do to make the plan successful. The story will switch back to Konoha/Naruto side and the Akatsuki.
And probably next arc will be with Team 8 or at least i HOPE!

Karma
April 21, 2007, 11:23 AM
I dont think that is going to happen but that could be a likely twist in the storyline later on that someone else in fact killed the uchiha clan and itachi covered up for them so the uchihas left over would stop thinking they were so up high and start striving fo excellence.agree.... I think Itachi didn't kill is clan. But he know about it because there wasn't any thing he could have done to stop it.. But i feel that going to reveal later down in the manga.. I think Jiriaya might know that Itachi wasn't the killer.. and Itachi might be a informant for Jiriaya too..

neomaster121
April 21, 2007, 12:17 PM
agree.... I think Itachi didn't kill is clan. But he know about it because there wasn't any thing he could have done to stop it.. But i feel that going to reveal later down in the manga.. I think Jiriaya might know that Itachi wasn't the killer.. and Itachi might be a informant for Jiriaya too..

yeah i agree i think he wanted sasuke to get stronger so they could team up and beat whoever killed the clan

anyway im like seeing sasuke so strong, it just means naruto's has to be stronger in the end and what im waiting for is seeing how naruto gets even stronger

tricel
April 21, 2007, 12:43 PM
actually i really can't see naruto gets stonger in the end..,b/coz everytime he gets stonger kishimoto san will always put some restraint/handicapped on naruto to make him so miserable.everytime naruto steps forward,he will step 2-3 steps backwards that its so frustrating to see all his hardwork comes to drain b/coz of it's possible effects on his body or because his own mangaka wants naruto to remain stagnant and blind to his own abilities/family lineage/skills.
this chapter rocks if this manga is called "sasuke" b/coz of sasuke's godly powers.but it's called "naruto" so i really hope that kishimoto san will not hinder naruto's ability/skill development just to make his fav. character cool or make a fanservice to sasuke fans

ANBU4U
April 21, 2007, 12:59 PM
actually i really can't see naruto gets stonger in the end..,b/coz everytime he gets stonger kishimoto san will always put some restraint/handicapped on naruto to make him so miserable.everytime naruto steps forward,he will step 2-3 steps backwards that its so frustrating to see all his hardwork comes to drain b/coz of it's possible effects on his body or because his own mangaka wants naruto to remain stagnant and blind to his own abilities/family lineage/skills.
this chapter rocks if this manga is called "sasuke" b/coz of sasuke's godly powers.but it's called "naruto" so i really hope that kishimoto san will not hinder naruto's ability/skill development just to make his fav. character cool or make a fanservice to sasuke fans

Dont hate the playa, hate the game.

Karma
April 21, 2007, 01:28 PM
yeah i agree i think he wanted sasuke to get stronger so they could team up and beat whoever killed the clan

anyway im like seeing sasuke so strong, it just means naruto's has to be stronger in the end and what im waiting for is seeing how naruto gets even stronger Yes.. I agree too... Naruto going to get stronger than the 4th Hokage was...But i hope kishi won't drag naruto abilities out with draw backs each time he creat some thing new.

But you guys realizes that the problem with Naruto New Jutsu might needed to be completed with is self and not a clone. Like the 4th Hokage made Rasengan with one hand and naruto uses a clone. Suppose what naruto did the 4th Hokage could have done that.. But he wanted to do it with one hand?

But i feel Jiriaya might able to conbined rasengan with a element other from wind. just think about it.. Jariaya can do the rasengan with one hand so far with ease.


But Itachi doesn't seems to be a brutal killer like everyone make him out to be..
Just Imagine Itachi is a spy for the leaf. so far he could have killed Kakashi if he wanted. and he could have killed sasuke as well. and i think there is so much more to Jiriaya. Jiriaya let Itachi rough sasuke up in front of is eyes.. why? because he know Itachi wasn't going to kill sasuke... it could be a trick like in bleach where things isn't what it seems.. I can see that Azian bleach thingy going on in naruto - Itachi taken the fall so he and is brother can revenge is clan. He know sasuke was a mommas boy and the only way to get sasuke strong was for to let him think he/itachi was the killer of is clan. It works...

j9virtue
April 21, 2007, 02:06 PM
Yes.. I agree too... Naruto going to get stronger than the 4th Hokage was...But i hope kishi won't drag naruto abilities out with draw backs each time he creat some thing new.

But you guys realizes that the problem with Naruto New Jutsu might needed to be completed with is self and not a clone. Like the 4th Hokage made Rasengan with one hand and naruto uses a clone. Suppose what naruto did the 4th Hokage could have done that.. But he wanted to do it with one hand?

But i feel Jiriaya might able to conbined rasengan with a element other from wind. just think about it.. Jariaya can do the rasengan with one hand so far with ease.


But Itachi doesn't seems to be a brutal killer like everyone make him out to be..
Just Imagine Itachi is a spy for the leaf. so far he could have killed Kakashi if he wanted. and he could have killed sasuke as well. and i think there is so much more to Jiriaya. Jiriaya let Itachi rough sasuke up in front of is eyes.. why? because he know Itachi wasn't going to kill sasuke... it could be a trick like in bleach where things isn't what it seems.. I can see that Azian bleach thingy going on in naruto - Itachi taken the fall so he and is brother can revenge is clan. He know sasuke was a mommas boy and the only way to get sasuke strong was for to let him think he/itachi was the killer of is clan. It works...

Going along those lines, I've always imagined that once Itachi was in anbu he was recruited to work for Danzou as a member of root. And the uchiha massacre was carried out by root, in order to have itachi placed within the akatsuki organization, because it seems as if every member of akatsuki has had to perform some anti-country of origin sort of action. (Kisame is a Daimo killer i beleive, Sasori killed his kazekage). Anyway it would be a good link to this ROOT concept because we haven't heard anything about them for some time, root just sounds like a bunch of radical patriots really.

Anyway more on topic, I get the feeling that sasuke is after one of the remaining bijuu, but not naruto. If he went after naruto at this point then there would be no time for naruto to get levld up. So i vote for capturing a bijuu thereby stunting akatsuki's plans forcing itachi to come to him. I mean really what else could he want to do, its foolish to think they can take akatsuki on with just them.

Mendes
April 21, 2007, 03:02 PM
But Itachi doesn't seems to be a brutal killer like everyone make him out to be..
Just Imagine Itachi is a spy for the leaf. so far he could have killed Kakashi if he wanted. and he could have killed sasuke as well. and i think there is so much more to Jiriaya. Jiriaya let Itachi rough sasuke up in front of is eyes.. why? because he know Itachi wasn't going to kill sasuke... it could be a trick like in bleach where things isn't what it seems.. I can see that Azian bleach thingy going on in naruto - Itachi taken the fall so he and is brother can revenge is clan. He know sasuke was a mommas boy and the only way to get sasuke strong was for to let him think he/itachi was the killer of is clan. It works...

A very interesting thought. I must say i never even considered that possibility at all... but it seems kinda plausible, i mean, sasuke didnt ever see Itachi kill anyone in his clan, he just got himself in itachi's illusion, which could have no truth in it. Also, even though itachi told sasuke the only way to achieve MS was to kill his best friend, kakashi got it in another method (at least i dont think he'd kill for that), which makes me think itachi could have done the same thing kakashi did to get MS, whatever that method is...
If we consider this possibility, that leaves the question: who exactly did kill the uchiha clan?

kadoman
April 21, 2007, 03:11 PM
Please do NOT turn the 351 Discussion Thread into a discussion about whether or not Itachi killed his clan.

Sorry to sound harsh here guys, but as we've experienced in the past, this topic always completely derails the original topic (which is dicussion relating to the latest chapter), goes on for pages and pages and nearly always gets heated.

No more talk about that aspect of Itachi, please. Aspects relating to the chapter (eg his whereabouts), yes, but not if he killed his clan or not.


Edit: if anyone does want to continue that topic (as it is very interesting), they are welcome to start a new thread in the Toshokan: http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=231