Berserk General Discussion Thread

[Dragonzair]

Well, since downloads until the latest are available online, I suppose it's alright for me to talk about the latest happenings.

I'm getting really excited about each chapter, basically. The artwork's getting better every year. That's very visible if you compare how Guts looked in the first chapter with the recent chapter now.

I can't wait to see where their next journey takes them. Although, I really want to see Puck's homeland...

For those who are still new to Berserk, and are members at NF, you can request for the volumes in packs right here:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=85633

EDIT BY GOLD KNIGHT: Also, Berserk is available at mIRC.  That's where I got my volumes ^_^

Oh, please try to use spoiler tags because not everybody here may be up to date on the latest volume, like me.

And what Berserk is about is basically hardcore fantasy, with a lot of monsters and actually some very mature themes.  The art's pretty good - I agree with DZ that it's gotten much better since the first volume.  Guts is a wandering swordsman, with a huge sword and a cannon for a left hand, who's been branded with a demonic mark so that he's always having to fend off spirits at night.  You learn about his tragic past early on in Berserk while he was with the mercenary group called Band of the Hawk and well, the story takes off after that.  Later on in the series, Berserk begins to incorporate a lot of the elements that we all enjoy from a traditional RPG, which is when I really started liking it. - GK

Discuss away!

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For those who have no idea what to say...post your favourite characters! :nuts Fanarts are greatly appreciated too!

Edit AlbatorBis: K let's try to keep things ordered before they get ectic. I'm going to do something similar of what we have at EG for Berserk. So I renamed this thread as "General Discussion", meaning you should talk about Berserk, the manga evolution and past chapters here. If you feel like opening a topic for some special chapter (like the Lost one) please do so, just title it right. Same for fanarts or favourite characters, polls, etc...You should discuss NEW stuffs in the latest chapter thread that I should update depending on what we have (just raws or scanlation).

[SchmoDawg]

I wonder whats gonna happen with shreike (little witch girl) getting trapped in the Berserker Armor when Guts loses his mind, I wonder how they are gonna get out with no one to call them back. And when the hell is Caska gonna talk again?????

Felt like this one needed spoiler tagging - GK

[Gold Knight]

I'm enjoying Berserk, but it was hard for me to get through some parts because of all the violence, especially to women. The art can be both beautiful and horrifying.

There's a lot of rape in it for example. I was wondering if it could be considered gratuitious violence, but realized later on that it was all kind of preparing the reader for what happened to a particular character, so I suppose it all became essential to the story. I could deal with it then, but I still think some scenes hurt the appeal of the story. Like Serpico said himself at one point, he was getting sick of all the demons and whatnot.

But I think even Miura himself realized that he was overdoing it, and lately in recent volumes the story has become a little more easier to read, more like a traditional RPG, and I do really like it right now. :)

I've got to say something here though, Zodd is the best looking monster I've seen in a manga so far, and I absolutely love the Skull Knight. Puck's got a very fairy-like appearance and like he said himself (lol), he was pretty needed for the comedy relief in the series and later on he does a better job of it. I suppose my favorite character is Guts though. :)

EDIT: Okay, caught up to the latest chapter, and I've gotta say I've got a lot of respect for Schierke. Tough kid and awesome magic-user, I love her.

Volumes 28-31, it was impossible for me to stop reading - I really got caught up into the story. Berserk has gotten SO much better, both in story and art, that it made reading the first 15 volumes more than worth it. But I kind of think it's crazy how long it took the manga-ka to finally get to establishing what I'm guessing will be the main group of heroes from this point on to the end of the series.

This is kind of a surprise, but Berserk is one manga I feel like the mangaka just keep getting and getting better with every chapter now. That's pretty impressive, considering how involved the first few storyarcs were and how much work it must have taken to do 30 volumes! I'll definitely continue to follow this one :)

Next chapter's not out until March 28th though T_T

[Dragonzair]

ShmoDawg: I know! I love that little witch so much and I'm worried about what's going to happen to her in the next chapter! :nuts

I'm not to fond of Farnese's 'fiancee'. XD Forgot his name. But Manifico, her brother, is hilarious. XD Such a coward! XD And when are they reaching Puck's home??

Now they're going to go at sea, I'm really excited to know what monsters Miura's gonna put in this time.

GK: Joe told me that the chapter's coming out today?? XD I saw a preview!!! :nuts Somewhere in skullknight.org

[Gold Knight]

I double-checked and Evil Genius' scanlation of Chapter 270 said that chapter 271 wouldn't be out until March 27th. And Volume 30 comes out on March 28th.

I can't wait to see what Guts will do against that Kultan sorceror - although I'm betting Schierke will probably help, stuck as she is in the Berserker armor.

Btw, DZ, it's Roderick ( Farnese's fiancee ) and I like him better than Manifico :p

[walkie]

i really enjoyed berserk until it becomes like a tale...i mean when a magican and a thief and other people strted to involve and they became a team, it just lost it's older taste...

[Gold Knight]

Hehe, I was wondering if some people felt that way. I guess it's all a matter of taste - Berserk was extremely chaotic early on, that's for sure, more than it is now. Though even now it's still more wild than a lot of stories I see.

But I'm glad it's toned down somewhat. At the same time I can appreciate the tremendous sense of danger and excitement that the early stories gave the series - I sure as heck don't expect anybody in that series to get out of any battle completely unscathed now.

Don't forget also that most of the first 13 volumes were centered around a flashback about a band that we knew wouldn't exist as it used to be now - so Miura had plenty of freedom to do what he wanted to do with that group because readers were expecting something to happen, there wouldn't be SO much shock. Looking back on it, it was pretty clever writing.

But the group we have now, I don't think will be as abused, because fans by now are tired of seeing bad endings.

[Dragonzair]

^ I agree with GK. :D It's an easier read once it got toned down, and the stories are getting even mroe interesting, even without the monster rape and all.

And it gets really cool with the team as well, because jsut having one person doing the same thing over and over again, gets boring. Gutts attacking people without an explanation also gets boring as you have no idea what he;s doing. But now, it gets more detailed with the storyline, whihc is why I loved it. XD

But then it all goes down to different tastes, as GK said. The main reason why I loved Berserk: fairy tail-esque plot, in a way. XD Action was good, but give me any fairy tale, and I'll absorb it in no time.

[Gold Knight]

Agreed, I love to see character interaction and I definitely can understand Guts' feelings when he enters battle now. Everything from volume 14 onward has been pretty awesome.

The only volume I really liked in the first 13 volumes was when Guts fought Zodd for the first time (volume 5). But the detailed art of the castles and the battling of the armies also kept me going.

I was also pretty curious as to how and why Griffith betrayed Guts.

Oh and DZ, I did some research on Berserk, and the 'Lost Chapter' you mentioned is Chapter 83, 'God of the Abyss Part 2,' which was intentionally left out of Volume 13 by the author's own decision.

If you go back to Volume 13 and read Chapter 82 ( or the third chapter of that volume ), you'll see:

Griffith, just before he was "reborn" as Femto, you see him subconsciously falling through an abyss (I think it was his astral form) and seeing stuff like scattered visions of monsters and monsters eating humans, then seeing a rain of Behelits, and then finally a huge monstrosity.

I think what Chapter 83, or the 'Lost Chapter,' was going to elaborate on was how Behelits related to the world, why they were made, what the 'God of the Abyss' was trying to do. Miura decided that it was too much information and didn't include it with the volume.

[siegfried]

i really enjoyed berserk until it becomes like a tale...i mean when a magican and a thief and other people strted to involve and they became a team, it just lost it's older taste...


I cant agree more.man who needs a stupid thieve.they are burden to him.I guess mangaka didn't want to keep the plot repeating ,but it is too much frp like now.mangaka should find other solutions.

and that berserker armor thing is too cliche.we started to see things like that too much.guts will manage to overcome it in future chapters,I will bet my money on this.

[Gold Knight]

I think it was the only option though. Casca obviously needed more people around to keep her out of trouble. And to keep her safe away from Guts' berserking state when it happens. This way Guts can be both close to Casca AND feel like he won't hurt her.

But I'll make a prediction here - I think something pretty violent will happen - maybe the brand comes back in full force - where Guts will have to leave the group again to keep them safe from everything. He'll have to be "Berserked' most of the time and I think you will see a return to old story elements for a while.


By the way, I just watched the first episode of Berserk and can't believe they aren't including Puck in the anime. That was pretty stupid.

[shoked]

to be honest i have the manga but i havent read it but i need to since the anime end so soon and sadnot too much but ....thats hard...the girl that you love in your face being...come on...

anyway i want to say more about it but i need to read the manga to talk about it.

[Gold Knight]

I heard about that, the anime ending on such a bad tone.

Trust me, the manga is much better, it sounds like. The anime's ending coincided with the ending of volume 13. There's 31 volumes now, so the anime only covered a little of the story.

EDIT: Just read Chapter 271 !

That was an awesome scene where Schierke was able to open Guts' eyes.

I really liked this chapter, but damn, Guts' helmet really makes him look like Batman now there at the end ( just take the jaws out and he's Batman in armor... heh ). I've always felt like Guts gave off that Batman vibe the entire series so... hmm...

Well the battle's not over yet, that sorceror is still there. Can't wait until next chapter.

[Dragonzair]

Just read the new chapter from GK as well!

It's probably just me, but I'm totally enjoying how the drawings actually looked like they've improved. XD That page where Roderick and Isidro were wet from the sea water and all. Frikkin awesome. Isidro looked cool. XD

Seems like Shierke's a really strong character. XD I have a feeling there'd be a point where she's probably knocked down or unconcious and she's not able to help Gutts. Then he'd actually go into Berserk mode, and nothing can help him recover and stuff.

About the Batman thing. XD That's kinda freaky now you've mentioned it. *is not much of a DC fan* And I can't help but think of Casca becoming Batwoman soon. XD

GK: About your prediction. I can see that happening too. x_x I don't want it to happen. I actually felt the sadness when he left the hawks for a while. XD

[Gold Knight]

XD

Well, I have an announcement to make here - I've made a Berserk board (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?board=107.0). Here's 3 reasons why:

1) Berserk is an awesome Seinen manga and I've noticed that its popularity is really skyrocketing these days with manga readers at both NF and MH.

2) Evil Genius (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2148.0), its primary scanlation group at the moment, has a presence here at MH.

and 3) We have enough moderators to keep up with it now. (Namely me, njt, and Dragonzair, and Tanuki-dono is reading it as well if not caught up yet.)

Have fun!

[Dragonzair]

Didn't know Taylor was into Berserk. XD

This is good then. ^_^ It'll get more attention, too. XD Hopefully soon, we'll do the same for Vagabond and Blade of the Immortal, huh, Ken-chan? XD

[EvilSniffles]

GK, if you watched the anime you should realized that it was the 1st part of the manga before this arc with crazy casca, the same goes for the game except it takes off some part after the anime. anime==the chaoitc manga till he becomes free. and the manga is what it is now.

[AlbatorBis]

To be more accurate, the anime cover the arc refered as the "Golden Age" and end with the Eclipse. The anime also skip some sick moments from the Golden Age, like the Black Dogs pursuit (and in my opinion one of the best fights in Berserk, Guts Vs the leader of the Black Dogs, Wlidad or something like that).

So considering Miura art I would say the manga is better. I wish they would do a "Berserk Ultimate" Hellsing style, now that would be worthwhile...At least I found the soundtrack of the anime to be pretty damn good.

[Gold Knight]

I only watched the first episode but I did gather lately through conversation that it was all about the Golden Age. I wonder if they're planning to do a new Berserk anime later on.

Guess it makes sense they'd exclude Puck, though I'm pretty shocked that they decided to end the anime with the ending of the Golden Age, because that wasn't a very nice way to end it on.

[AlbatorBis]

The anime got me into Berserk the manga, and I don't know why they did the anime that way, or stop it so early. For non-readers it doesn't make that much difference, but they miss on all the later implications in Guts character and all the persons surrounding him.
A lot of people might consider the relation of Guts/Band of the Hawks as central in the Guts psyche if looking at the anime only, but it's possibly not entirely true: if this was true it mean that Guts has been sucked in the maelstrom of fate, but it's been established that he's one of the rare being that live outside fate. So even if it's admitted that his encounters with the Hawks got him where he is now, it was probably just something he had to go through to realize his own destiny OUTSIDE the flow of fate.
:darn Erh...just meant to say, go read the manga, there's much more there.

[EvilSniffles]

the anime also got me into berserk manga, just that I was like WHERE THE REST, all the while I was thinking more was coming, then realization that none was, I then went on to kill people at random, till I found the manga. And Guts encounter with the hawks was by chance. Guts does things for his own reason, and no one elses. Granted he does it in the way that he seems to be a lap dog, the part where he kills off those people for griffin at the ball, but I still think he did it for whatever reason.

[Gold Knight]

... it's been established that he's one of the rare being that live outside fate. So even if it's admitted that his encounters with the Hawks got him where he is now, it was probably just something he had to go through to realize his own destiny OUTSIDE the flow of fate.

I think he was always outside of fate, ever since his irregular birth.


:darn Erh...just meant to say, go read the manga, there's much more there.


Definitely agreed.



Guts does things for his own reason, and no one elses. Granted he does it in the way that he seems to be a lap dog, the part where he kills off those people for griffin at the ball, but I still think he did it for whatever reason.


Yeah, Griffin wanted to "tame" him, but couldn't.

[SchmoDawg]

heres a link to 271
http://bt.mindwerks.net/allowed/3f94c6b8fd54da4fa8ef8102d8c0ef45532e8add.torrent
scanlated by evil genius

[AlbatorBis]

My thank you.
:p

[KaiserRyuujin]

Holy hell had no idea this was here. o.o Awsome!

I got into it from my Uncle giving me one the art books for my birthday. I couldnt read a thing on it, but it caught my eye. So I got hold and bam been loving it. Sorry had to give that info :P

Anyway, I dont see the whole tiff with the turn of Berserk, I have seen on mindwerks some people talking like its D&D. But I dont see it like that, and some dont like the slow moments. The way I am seeing it is it's just the calm before the storm. Gutts now has his Berserker Armor, Griffith has acended to a greater form. I am waiting for the further darkness to engulf Midland once again. Griffith is quite essentially recreating the Band of the Hawks, and considering what happened before, its gotta mean some crazy things to befall everyone.

As I recal seeing of an interview or something from Miura the story now is just begining, and if so, that makes it even more promising.

As I noticed being brought up, the differences of the Manga and Anime and it is quite vast obviously. Somethings already stated, the good thing also was, you did get more key in to Gutts, the dude actually smiled and not psychotically while turning the Snake Baron into a pin cushion. Plus you really cant deny Miura's great detailed artwork.

Its cool in the art book as it shows Kentaro Miura by a recreation of the "Dragon Slayer" and I just look and go, "God....I wish I could wield that thing...o.o"

Also, I loved his addition Volume 13: Chapter 3.5 – God of the Abyss II and Griffith becoming "Femto", which was Griffiths little chat with "God". Because it was basically a lump of hatred dreamed up by man, and the way he put it, I couldnt help but think how perfect and just insane it was. It was a great addition to the manga and gives some extra depth to the world.

Reminds me...I still need to buy the PS2 Berserk game which looks sooooo freakin sweet. I played the Dreamcast one which was sweet, only game I actually liked on the Dreamcast, thankfully my friend had Dreamcast so I wouldnt have to bother :P

Anyway, it always rules seeing more and more Berserk fans coming about, because it seems there are only two big forums still active. Most sites are quite dead and old and close to zip activity.

Okay, thats the end of my rant. Havent gotten to do that in awhile Heh heh.

[Gold Knight]

As I recal seeing of an interview or something from Miura the story now is just begining, and if so, that makes it even more promising.

I kinda got that sense too. Seemed like the first 25 volumes were something of a prelude, which is crazy XD



Its cool in the art book as it shows Kentaro Miura by a recreation of the "Dragon Slayer" and I just look and go, "God....I wish I could wield that thing...o.o"

Yeah - I can see why it could have inspired Cloud of Final Fantasy VII.


Also, I loved his addition Volume 13: Chapter 3.5 – God of the Abyss II and Griffith becoming "Femto", which was Griffiths little chat with "God". Because it was basically a lump of hatred dreamed up by man, and the way he put it, I couldnt help but think how perfect and just insane it was. It was a great addition to the manga and gives some extra depth to the world.

That's what we refer to as the "Lost Chapter." You mean you've actually read it? Would you be able to upload it somewhere for us? I'd love to see it as well.


Reminds me...I still need to buy the PS2 Berserk game which looks sooooo freakin sweet. I played the Dreamcast one which was sweet, only game I actually liked on the Dreamcast, thankfully my friend had Dreamcast so I wouldnt have to bother :P

They look insane, yeah!


Anyway, it always rules seeing more and more Berserk fans coming about, because it seems there are only two big forums still active. Most sites are quite dead and old and close to zip activity.

Okay, thats the end of my rant. Havent gotten to do that in awhile Heh heh.


:D Glad you're happy to see a Berserk forum here ^^

[AlbatorBis]

There you go, DD and props to The Hawks:
http://forums.mindwerks.net/viewtopic.php?t=1268&highlight=lost+chapter

I should mention, since we talk about about it, that we also have the Berserk prototype available, quite different from what it is now, but you can tell Miura already had a good idea of what Berserk would be made of. The most noticable difference is Guts's personality.

[EvilSniffles]

sweet the lost chapter, never knew about it....this must have taken place inside the egg.

[KaiserRyuujin]

I kinda got that sense too. Seemed like the first 25 volumes were something of a prelude, which is crazy XD

Yeah - I can see why it could have inspired Cloud of Final Fantasy VII.

That's what we refer to as the "Lost Chapter." You mean you've actually read it? Would you be able to upload it somewhere for us? I'd love to see it as well.

They look insane, yeah!

:D Glad you're happy to see a Berserk forum here ^^


Yeah it is pretty crazy thought, as I am assuming its a transcendance from a manga he himself is a fan of that is like going for the Worlds Record of longest going Manga, I neglect to know the name at the moment.

Heh heh you never know, it could very well be the place of inspiration for Clouds Buster Sword, never know.

True it is referred to as "The Lost Chapter" but it was a late addition thats now out there and will be when its released in the US...hopefully. :/

Indeed so, nothing better then getting the chance to be Gutts swinging his massive swords fighting Zodd and others.

Yup its great to know.

Okay. Now here are some links I got for you, that stretch out to Mindwerks Forums because thats where I found the "Lost Chapter" the "Prototype" as well also here is an Interview with Miura.

In the Prototype ya Gutts is a good deal different, more of a loud abnoxious pirate type. Not so much the cold psychopath we know him to be. Heh heh.

Links:

(Note: You will need a bittorrent to download the manga's)

Volume 13: Chapter 3.5 – God of the Abyss II (http://forums.mindwerks.net/viewtopic.php?t=1268=)

Interview: Kentaro Muira, creator of Berserk (http://forums.mindwerks.net/viewtopic.php?t=751)

BERSERK PROTOTYPE (http://forums.mindwerks.net/viewtopic.php?t=1254)

[AlbatorBis]

Meh, I guess my post wasn't clear enough.
And no you don't need Bittorrent for the Lost Chapter since it's DD, chapter from the Hawks. You need it for the pretotype though since it's hosted on our server.

[KaiserRyuujin]

Meh, I guess my post wasn't clear enough.
And no you don't need Bittorrent for the Lost Chapter since it's DD, chapter from the Hawks. You need it for the pretotype though since it's hosted on our server.


Oh my bad, I just jumped in to post really quick, had to get to other things. ^^;;

But it was also my bad on the subject of the torrents.

My appologies AlbatorBis for missing your post.

[Gold Knight]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate it ^^

[Dragonzair]

=O WWOOOHOO!!

Thaks for those wonderful links. ^_^

[eQuek]

272 will be released the 14th april, does any1 got any expectations/predictations?
I think that it'll just be a ordinary "slay all the monster"-chapter :P
But after this fight they should be able to leave to elfeinhelm, 'cause the sorcerer was a some kind of an commander of the psichka (or something like that, those big ass water monsters anyway).
So in maybe the next 5 chapters they should be in elfeinhelm, hopefully. I can't wait to see Caska "revived". There will probaply be some flashbacks and comfort Caska scenes later on but after that they will hopefully start their crusade vs Griffith and his band of the Hawk.
Caskas fighting style was pretty similar to Serpicos, wasn't it? Maybe she'll get a new weapon and the other ones might get an upgrade. Schierke might learn some new faster and easier to use spells so she doesnt have to go into trance every time she does some magic. When you think about it her master and the kushan sorcerer never went into trance when they did some magic...

Anyhow, berserks is absolutely one of the best mangas out there and if someone that reads this hasn't read it then do it now, you won't regreat it.

[AlbatorBis]

So in maybe the next 5 chapters they should be in elfeinhelm, hopefully. I can't wait to see Caska "revived". There will probaply be some flashbacks and comfort Caska scenes later on but after that they will hopefully start their crusade vs Griffith and his band of the Hawk.

I don't think I wish to see it happen. Before that we HAVE to hear about the neo-band of the hawk, and I think you can expect a showdown "tower of rebirth" style. Miura is teasing us with Elfheim for so long, it will probably be the center of the next arc, or even the one after. And probably not the end of the manga either. Guts just got some kind of control over the armor and is on his way to save the day for the WHOLE city. It looks like when the sorcerer is gone, so is the invasion. You think Griffith will appreciate that, that somebody else get the favor of the Endemion and get in his way? Some things will need to be settled, and I expect big changes in the story before they sail for Elfheim.

[KaiserRyuujin]

So in maybe the next 5 chapters they should be in elfeinhelm, hopefully. I can't wait to see Caska "revived". There will probaply be some flashbacks and comfort Caska scenes later on but after that they will hopefully start their crusade vs Griffith and his band of the Hawk.
Caskas fighting style was pretty similar to Serpicos, wasn't it? Maybe she'll get a new weapon and the other ones might get an upgrade.


There is just one problem with the thought of Caska fighting again. The Skull Knight said it himself that she also might not be the same woman she was. That she may not be that fighter. Also the way it's seemed the real battle to go on, its Gutts vs Griffith and his new army pretty much. I remember him saying to Ricket to not hate Griffith and that he is the one to be in that position. But who knows, either way it will be fun to see whats cooked up for us. Im looking forward to the 14th for the new chapter. :D

[EvilSniffles]

the thing shircke does is she summons kinda, so she must go into a trance, her master didn't do any summonings that I saw.

[eQuek]

There is just one problem with the thought of Caska fighting again.  The Skull Knight said it himself that she also might not be the same woman she was.  That she may not be that fighter.  Also the way it's seemed the real battle to go on, its Gutts vs Griffith and his new army pretty much.  I remember him saying to Ricket to not hate Griffith and that he is the one to be in that position.  But who knows, either way it will be fun to see whats cooked up for us.  Im looking forward to the 14th for the new chapter. :D

Hmm.. yeah, that kinda makes sense when Griffith did send Grunbeld and Zodd + some small fry to take down one sorceress. He ought to be seeking a way to destroy elfeinhelm, because if one sorceress equals an army of 10,000 then what does a village of sorcerers equal?


There is just one problem with the thought of Caska fighting again.  The Skull Knight said it himself that she also might not be the same woman she was.  That she may not be that fighter. 
But when you think about how Caska was then I get the feeling that she will get some magic items from teh magic ppl and then she'll be a part of the "anti-griffith"-party <3

Btw, what do you think of Griffith? Do you hate him, love him etc etc?
I myself like him :D I love the chapters where he comes back and stabs the kushan in the eye, completely calm. He isn't evil imo. As he says himself "I just don't betray my dream". Otherwise kids and civilian women shouldnt be in his camp.

[AlbatorBis]

Btw, what do you think of Griffith? Do you hate him, love him etc etc?
I myself like him :D I love the chapters where he comes back and stabs the kushan in the eye, completely calm. He isn't evil imo. As he says himself "I just don't betray my dream". Otherwise kids and civilian women shouldnt be in his camp.


Hum, Griffith no evil heh? How do you call sacrifying the companions that believe in you in the blink of an eye? He was ready to do so since the beginning, granted, he stated it many time. But to believe that other's people dreams are moot just because they are under your own, and treat them as disposable, is downright evil, egocentric at best (no surprise). You would think that there is limits to one's means to reach one's dreams. In the battlefield, at least there's achance to escape, and followers die under his order on their own will to reach a goal TOGETHER. During the eclipse Griffith uses his companions to erase his own mistake, a plain murder.
So you can call him ambitious, visionary, hard-working, witty, sure, it doesn't prevent him of being evil.

[KaiserRyuujin]

Hmm.. yeah, that kinda makes sense when Griffith did send Grunbeld and Zodd + some small fry to take down one sorceress. He ought to be seeking a way to destroy elfeinhelm, because if one sorceress equals an army of 10,000 then what does a village of sorcerers equal?But when you think about how Caska was then I get the feeling that she will get some magic items from teh magic ppl and then she'll be a part of the "anti-griffith"-party <3

Btw, what do you think of Griffith? Do you hate him, love him etc etc?
I myself like him :D I love the chapters where he comes back and stabs the kushan in the eye, completely calm. He isn't evil imo. As he says himself "I just don't betray my dream". Otherwise kids and civilian women shouldnt be in his camp.


Well, for one on the thing about his actions against the witch. Griffith was being the calculated efficent leader that he is as his reputation and what helped make the Band of the Hawks so well known. Sending those two appostles was essential. If it were just those "small fry" Gutts and the Skull Knight would of taken them out, or just the Skull Knight alone.

Right now, the elf city is not important to Griffith, his "dream" is, and thats taking over and becoming king of Midland. As it seems the outside world to any other sorcerer or whatever is not important or else they'd of been alot more visible to the world.

It's hard to say what will come of Caska. She's had some odd moments in the state of mind that she's in. Showed one moment of being willing to kill, at another though showing the want to tend to a child. It really is hard to say what the future holds for her, but again it'll be interesting.

On that question of Griffith, Im with AlbatorBis and what he said. I really dont have much respect for Griffith anymore for the things he has done as already stated. He practically had Midland as it was, the Hawks were the greatest merc force that became part with the Kings army. As I figure, he got what he deserved for being so foolish, I mean honestly, what the hell!? Goes to nail the Kings daughter? Duh your gonna get reemed! Griffith got scared, that HIS dream wouldnt come true because he lost such a great asset because that tool of his wanted a dream of his own.

To me, Griffith is but a weak, scared child. But hey, thats me.

[eQuek]

Evil is to me more like, killing people for no good reason. Though I can't really say that covering up your own mistakes are a good reason =/  But since he did it for the sake of his dream then I feel like it's more justified (more justified, but still not justified... wth am I trying to say? )
Anyhow KaiserRyuujin as you said Griffith is a calculating efficent leader and wouldn't it be wisest to take down all threats as soon as possible? Schierkes master would've died in a matter of time if he'd just left her alone but he didn't. He decided to kill her to erase all possibilities for any opposition against him. So with this point of view, sending an army to erase all sorcerers wouldn't be far fetched?

Griffith as a weak scared child... he does remind you of one sometimes. After he nailed Charlotte he seemed like one. :p

But it makes you wonder, what would've happened if Gutts wouldn't have left? :blink

[AlbatorBis]

Evil is to me more like, killing people for no good reason. Though I can't really say that covering up your own mistakes are a good reason =/  But since he did it for the sake of his dream then I feel like it's more justified (more justified, but still not justified... wth am I trying to say?

Well I don't know what you're trying to say, but following this logic Hitler had a dream too (or any butcher in history for that matter), and he killed people for the sake of his dream.
Seriously, you can't defend Griffith. I'm not saying that anybody else wouldn't have done the same thing, after all we must all carry some sort of evil, and everybody can act selfishly and use others as stepping stones, even if it costs life. Still it makes you evil. You might say "Oh but it is necessary", well call it necessary evil if you like, it's still evil.
The point is, your vision of Griffith is not wrong, but your conception of evil is (or to the least different of mine).

[eQuek]

Right... this point of view of mine is merely in this manga. Killing is of course wrong in all ways irl. But in the berserk world I don't really feel the same way. You just see Gutts slaying enemy after enemy... you cant really get emotional for every single one.
Taking a psychopathic killer as an example is just wrong, imo, when we're discussing manga. And I have never even said that "it's okay to kill if you have a dream", I just said that I feel it's more justified (but still not justified... no1 except for me understands this probaply...)
Let's say that zero is neutral and everything over it (+1, +2, +3 and so on) is good while all the negative numbers (-1,-2,-3 and so on) are evil.

-5    -4    -3    -2    -1   0  +1   +2   +3   +4   +5

Then let's say that murder is the worst thing (-5)
But when it's for some better reason then it becomes more justified so it could move up to -4.
This is still evil, but it's better than just mindlessly killing people.

Anyway to get back to the topic. Do you or do you not believe that Griffith will attack Elffeinhelm

EDIT. fixed some spelling mistakes

[AlbatorBis]

That scale is hilarious :amuse

The problem is that we have no idea what Elfenheim exactly is. We now that the so-called fairy-king (why Puck never mentioned it before is beyond me, but hey that's Puck!) is there but that's all )for all we know it might even be an apostle, who knows). It seems to eventually pose a threat to Griffith, but what he wants is a kingdom, not necessarily the whole world. Elfenheim seems to be a land that is detached from the quirrels of others, otherwise it would have been involved already in more ways than one. So Griffith wouldn't attack it, unless something he wants is there.

[eQuek]

AlbatorBis, I couldn't think of any other way of showing what I was trying to say :p
Anyways if Elfeinhelm now is a place faaar away then Griffith shouldn't attack it, as you said. But still... it feels like some big fight must occur there :P
Maybe the kushans? Or they're maybe more focused on taking over midland atm...

[KaiserRyuujin]

Anyhow KaiserRyuujin as you said Griffith is a calculating efficent leader and wouldn't it be wisest to take down all threats as soon as possible? Schierkes master would've died in a matter of time if he'd just left her alone but he didn't. He decided to kill her to erase all possibilities for any opposition against him. So with this point of view, sending an army to erase all sorcerers wouldn't be far fetched?

Griffith as a weak scared child... he does remind you of one sometimes. After he nailed Charlotte he seemed like one. :p

But it makes you wonder, what would've happened if Gutts wouldn't have left? :blink


Griffith only knew there was a sorceress, and knows their abilities. What he didnt know was the current condition of said magic user. So he did the smart thing and sent his two most destructive warriors, Zodd and Grunbeld along with a crap load of apostles. The sorceress was in "his land" and had the possibility of threatinging his dream, so what was done was done. I did always kind of see Zodd/Grunbeld as being like replacements for Gutts with in the Hawks now, though Zodd a little more then Grunbeld, I say Grunbeld because when you see him with out the helm he resembles Gutts a bit. But Grunbeld doesnt quite have that look of madness while in combat like Gutts. :p

When I spoke of Griffith being weak and scared like a child I was refering to his mental state. Because with Gutts leaving he saw his dream his claim to a kingdom shattering away, so he goes to do the most drastic thing to attempt in keeping his "dream" alive. But all he does is gets himself tortured and turns a once respected group into a bunch of hunted criminals, all because Griffith had a lapse in judgement and got his friends pretty much crucified.

Eh, who knows. Can predict and make all the assumptions we want until we are all blue in the face but none of it will make it true. But I prefer the path that has been taken. Because Gutts needed to find another purpose in life, all he had was combat, ate, slept, breathed it all his life. While everyone else, Judeu, Corkus and such, had some kind of life before the Hawks, they did what they wanted and were satisfied now to be in one place. Gutts wished for something of his own and tried to seek that out but found where his place was.

Okay, my rants done.

[Kaervas]

Does anybody knows about the popularity of berserk in japan?

I mean, the manga is running since earlys 90', and i would hate to see it unfinished or with a hasted ending :(

[xi0]

Berserk is probably the most popular series running in Young Animal, so I would seriously doubt it would ever be canceled.

If it was ever in danger of this the manga would have been canceled long ago when Miura started taking frequent hiatus'.

[fe10]

Is there gonna be a new berserk anime or a continuation, or is a repeat of the berserk anime ? I ask because I seen hints in the latest raw manga.

[White Rabbit]

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=364862&postcount=8

no need to open a new thread for a question like that...

Thread closed...

[slaktmat]

started to read Jackals because i heard it gory as berserk and i found this
in chap 2


http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3830/bjfx5.jpg

is this some kind of conspiracy? :D

[xi0]

LOL

I wouldn't give this conspiracy too much weight.

I wouldn't know why there would be one either.

The artist for Jackals is a Korean manhwa author named Kim Byung Jin.

[Absolutio]

maybe the mangaka just likes berserk so he wanted to make a tribute to it this way? :P

[erikrhys]

it is probably just a coincidence, or the mangaka is just showing his love of berserk.

[Absolutio]

a well deserved love ;)
It happens sometimes, that people put stuffs from other peoples stuffs as a tribute. Can't give exactly an example atm, but it does happen. So it's either a coicidence or a tribute to berserk. definitly not a conspiracy.

[Higatron]

I'm going with a coincidence, It's not similar enough to be a tribute, and they aren't exactly the most unique symbols ever.

[the d]

how dos berserk manga have only 288 ch'?

for instent naruto manga is 366 and air from abut 2000

berserk manga is from the 90' and have less...

sorry im a noob :)

[yoniekai]

that's cause berserk's mangaka takes a lot of breaks. like the next chap, it's going to be out on september. sad that we have to wait far too long for such a great epic series

[tigerporc]

I would say, a tribute would be if the Brand was used instead...

[jackwallis]

its not just that, although it doesnt help... Berserk is released once every 2 weeks(not including holidays and what not) so it takes twice as long to release the same amount of chapters.

[lapchern]

its not just that, although it doesnt help... Berserk is released once every 2 weeks(not including holidays and what not) so it takes twice as long to release the same amount of chapters.

if that were the case berserk would still be past the number of chapters naruto currently has

[no_bacot]

hmm....1st thing is tat the manga is released every two weeks
then.....the mangaka takes a LOT of breaks...
tat is why naruto is heaps of chapter ahead of berserk

[mokney]

if you wanna go even further its probably because of the amount of detail going into each chapter. Gotta admit it does suck to wait so long for one chapter.

[Burzum]

Better to wait and get quality story and artwork then to be fed the weekly barrel of average that sometimes plagues weekly mangas, cough*Naruto*cough. :P

[marte1980]

Better to wait and get quality story and artwork then to be fed the weekly barrel of average that sometimes plagues weekly mangas, cough*Naruto*cough. :P
I agree with you about the story,but not about the artwork.I'd happily sacrifice a bit of the artwork to have the chapters coming out more fequently.
Anyway I don't think that Naruto is the right example for what you were talking about.After all,even though I don't like all that talking about sasuke(that looser!),I think that Naruto is a good manga.
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[TheGenius]

A little stupid question....

How long does a chap realeases for Berserk?

[Musashi_Keiji]

Personally I think Berserk and Vagabond are much much better than any shounen jump manga. But they are seinen manga and are serialized in different magazines too.

I think I had read somewhere on this forum before that Berserk basically get about 1-2volumes per year.

And Berserk without the amazing art wouldn't be the same.

[Musashi_Keiji]

I'm going with a coincidence, It's not similar enough to be a tribute, and they aren't exactly the most unique symbols ever.

True if I remember correctly the republic in Star Wars has a very similar symbol to the one in Jackals. more so than it is similar to the hawks.

[night_wolf]

it is conincidence.

[xi0]

A little stupid question....

How long does a chap realeases for Berserk?

What do you mean? If you mean the regular release schedule, it's twice a month since that's how often Young Animal comes out. However, Miura takes breaks often so it's really irregular.

[TheGenius]

What do you mean? If you mean the regular release schedule, it's twice a month since that's how often Young Animal comes out. However, Miura takes breaks often so it's really irregular.

You got it right! Thanks...I'm up vol 32...don't wanna read the other chaps or it'll be like Gantz and I'll just dieeee!!!

He takes breaks? I read somewhere that he was inspired by a serie of book that has 100 volumes...it'll last centuries!!!!

[Absolutio]

lol.. yea, since last september till now, he only released 12 chapters in a year!!! :( When he should've released twice as much :(

[Zangetsu01]

Preview of chapter 290 :amuse
http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/07v19.jpg

[ma][]

manga is awesome, the art is one of the best, let alone characters
haven't read it till the end though

[redgrave]

When is it going to be continued? Can´t wait to see what happens next!!!

[SparkHunter13]

When is it going to be continued? Can´t wait to see what happens next!!!
"Continued"? The next chapter/episode is due out on 12th June, if that's what you mean. You should check the latest spoiler thread in future, it often lists the release date for the coming chapter/episode in the first post.

[Cooper]

Have you ever thought that at this rate Miura might die before he finishes Berserk?

[Bandreus]

Have you ever thought that at this rate Miura might die before he finishes Berserk?

gosh, you've gotta be like the 1000th person to state that.

[Concrete]

lol.. yea, since last september till now, he only released 12 chapters in a year!!! :( When he should've released twice as much :(

Miura does Berserk without assistants, you know. Besides, quality over quantity.

[102jayday]

its a pain how he does 4 chapters and then takes a 3-6 month break, i wonder how many fans he lost from all of those breaks. i feel like taking a break from berserk for 10 months but that would be a waste considering there would only be 2 chapters. grrrr i think i should take a 5 year break lol that at least might be a whole volume! lol

[redgrave]

"Continued"? The next chapter/episode is due out on 12th June, if that's what you mean. You should check the latest spoiler thread in future, it often lists the release date for the coming chapter/episode in the first post.

Sorry, as you can see i am a newbie, but thanks for the advice. :)

[screwlose]

=X next chapter due out 25th of September >.<

[xi0]

Oh well...I know it's hard not to agonize about these types of things guys, but let's try not to.

[redgrave]

Well, what do you all expect of a series of THIS quality and THIS degrees of detail.
Simply perfect work, but it needs it´s time.

[llamapie]

Have you ever thought that at this rate Miura might die before he finishes Berserk?

ROFL.

Doing my signature proud. <3

[blitzgks]

This manga is awesome... I am addicted @_@... The first time I've read 300+ chapters of anything in just a little over a week.

[Akiyama]

Berserk as a Hollywood movie?

Producer Northrop Davis confirmed at the Saturday grand opening of the New People cultural entertainment center in San Francisco that he pitched the Berserk, Baki The Grappler, and Barefoot Gen manga to studios in Hollywood. We were involved with [Kentarou Miura's fantasy adventure story] Berserk, and it almost happened, but that is not quite there.

Source ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-08-18/berserk-baki-barefoot-gen-pitched-to-hollywood)

[shinsengumi]

i dont understand people's reasoning like "his artwork is so detailed so its just normal for a chapter to be this late"
dont you ever watch videos over the net showing how some people draw incredibly detailed pictures in such small times?his artwork is not an excuse and i dont ever believe he would spend a month or something to finish just a few shots.
it would be more acceptable if you said "he's working on the plot story" because it's like writing a novel which may require such a long time but drawing?!!!i dont buy it >_> maybe he's just too lazy or likes to take his time i dont know but there is something definetly wrong here...

[llamapie]

i dont understand people's reasoning like "his artwork is so detailed so its just normal for a chapter to be this late"
dont you ever watch videos over the net showing how some people draw incredibly detailed pictures in such small times?his artwork is not an excuse and i dont ever believe he would spend a month or something to finish just a few shots.
it would be more acceptable if you said "he's working on the plot story" because it's like writing a novel which may require such a long time but drawing?!!!i dont buy it >_> maybe he's just too lazy or likes to take his time i dont know but there is something definetly wrong here...

Try it some time bro.

No it may not just be the artwork, he takes breaks. He has been doing this for like 20 years. And the artwork makes it worthwhile to most of his fans. Really now. Few mangas come close.

[SparkHunter13]

@ shinsengumi:

Miura works largely alone and without computer assistance. Inking the manga reportedly consumes most of his time when working (Yes, drawing takes up all his time.), so who can blame him for wanting to take a break now and then?

Besides, quality cannot be rushed; it's as simple as that.

[Katz]

I don't see why getting a few assistants would hurt, I mean Miura's gonna pass from old age before the manga's finished, might as well have a few people to continue it >>

[ANBU4U]

I don't see why getting a few assistants would hurt, I mean Miura's gonna pass from old age before the manga's finished, might as well have a few people to continue it >>

Who was keeping track of the "Miura will DIE before Berserk is finished!" posts?

A brilliant idea seeing as how there really is like...3 a week.

[llamapie]

Who was keeping track of the "Miura will DIE before Berserk is finished!" posts?

A brilliant idea seeing as how there really is like...3 a week.

how ya doing?

[SparkHunter13]

I don't see why getting a few assistants would hurt, I mean Miura's gonna pass from old age before the manga's finished, might as well have a few people to continue it >>
Wait... continue the manga after Miura's death? Sorry, but no. Absolutely not; I'd be dead* (http://i25.tinypic.com/1fk3di.jpg) against it, myself.

Berserk is Miura's story, Miura's art, Miura's vision; without him, there is no Berserk. All you people seem to care about is how quickly you can get hold of the next chapter. Have you no appreciation for the man himself?

Let's just hope the manga is completed before the... assistant takeover even becomes an option.

[Katz]

Well of course the manga is all his, but say baring any accident or something, I'd like to have other people to continue it, just so we get some type of ending, anything can happen tomorrow, but yes I'm hoping the series is completed by Miura himself instead of someone else.

[crazy_horse1989]

well, i think i`d rather fantasize about how the ending would`ve been and torture myself until my time of death, rather than having some nonexistent assistants of Miura give it a dumb ending, with inferior art quality... or is it just me? o_O

[SparkHunter13]

well, i think i`d rather fantasize about how the ending would`ve been and torture myself until my time of death, rather than having some nonexistent assistants of Miura give it a dumb ending, with inferior art quality... or is it just me? o_O
Nope, I share the sentiment. If Miura were to pass on prior to Berserk being completed - Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid - then I'd rather the manga remain unfinished than let another mangaka conclude it in Miura's place.

... Supposed it did happen, though, and the manga remained unfinished... Perhaps the fans would band together and write up a decent ending (unofficially, of course); you know, just to provide some sense of closure...

Although., I've no idea how you'd go about concluding a series like Berserk (satisfactorily)...

[shouryuujo]

how can there be many fans left if miura is torturing them with these incredibly slow releases and long breaks? it has become as bad as guyver - going so slow yet introduces more plotlines than resolving them. I think there's got to be a point where fans tell him enough is enough.

[crazy_horse1989]

Although., I've no idea how you'd go about concluding a series like Berserk (satisfactorily)...

well, yeah, that`s the main problem here... Miura`s mind (as everyone`s) is a complete mystery, as the man himself... if we were to make up one ending we`d all be satisfied with, we`d be ceaselessly thinking about what would Miura do here and there, and so on... honestly, who would`ve thought that Ganishka, who was perceived as one of the minor characters in "Berserk", would be so vital to the continuation of the story? well, maybe a few, but still... the plot twists are unique and unexpected with Miura... that, you cannot replicate... O_o


how can there be many fans left if miura is torturing them with these incredibly slow releases and long breaks? it has become as bad as guyver - going so slow yet introduces more plotlines than resolving them. I think there's got to be a point where fans tell him enough is enough.

damn, man... honestly, i don`t think you can actually compare the two of them... have you read a bit of "Berserk", past the first 4 volumes, actually? even if it leaves us waiting for even 5-6 months, the art and the story is entirely worth it... just find the torrent with the manga, download some, read past the first 4 volumes, and then come back asking if it`s become as bad as the other manga you mentioned... if you actually did, and you didn`t like it, then sorry for the long rant that`s not of any interest to you, we don`t give a damn about your opinion, don`t post here, end of story... the long breaks he takes are actually either so he can work on the tankoubon, either perfect his art even more... if you compare the chapters from before the long break and after, you will notice quite an improvement... and did you know that this man works even up to 14 hours a day, scribbling with a pen and ink all day on a piece of paper, just for most of us readers, that don`t buy the volumes? that`s why i ain`t complaining, `cuz he`s doing this for us, not for him... -_-

[shinsengumi]

Try it some time bro.

No it may not just be the artwork, he takes breaks. He has been doing this for like 20 years. And the artwork makes it worthwhile to most of his fans. Really now. Few mangas come close.


@ shinsengumi:

Miura works largely alone and without computer assistance. Inking the manga reportedly consumes most of his time when working (Yes, drawing takes up all his time.), so who can blame him for wanting to take a break now and then?

Besides, quality cannot be rushed; it's as simple as that.

i'm well aware of the quality of his art and i agree that quality cant be rushed.actually i agree with everything you say but imo there must be a limit to it.i'm an art student myself,how can i ever possibly disrespect the man!!but still,i wish i could show you my teacher's works for which he drawed all over the school's great hall(30-100m rectangular- 3,5m high) with INK in just 2 weeks.also much more detailed than berserk...
people keep saying "what if he dies during the process......" for a reason.its a strong possibility considering his age and the current events in the manga(unless he's preparing for a huge turning point)
i dont want to be disrespectful but there isnt a better way to say it i guess.it's a great manga,one of the best.but even for the best manga on earth, 20 years or more is unnatural.he seems like aiming for an other 20 or at least 10 and we've already started to speculate about "which way would be better after his death..to cut it endlessly or for somebody else to finish it" .. doesnt it feel any wrong to you?really?..i must say then, i'm not at your level of a fan i guess : /

[shouryuujo]

damn, man... honestly, i don`t think you can actually compare the two of them... have you read a bit of "Berserk", past the first 4 volumes, actually? even if it leaves us waiting for even 5-6 months, the art and the story is entirely worth it... just find the torrent with the manga, download some, read past the first 4 volumes, and then come back asking if it`s become as bad as the other manga you mentioned... if you actually did, and you didn`t like it, then sorry for the long rant that`s not of any interest to you, we don`t give a damn about your opinion, don`t post here, end of story... the long breaks he takes are actually either so he can work on the tankoubon, either perfect his art even more... if you compare the chapters from before the long break and after, you will notice quite an improvement... and did you know that this man works even up to 14 hours a day, scribbling with a pen and ink all day on a piece of paper, just for most of us readers, that don`t buy the volumes? that`s why i ain`t complaining, `cuz he`s doing this for us, not for him... -_-

I actually do own all the volumes up to the recent releases. Sure i notice the difference of the drawings but i think there's a line between trying to perfect it and getting stuff out. Sure there are some fans that wouldnt mind waiting 1+months for a release with perfect art but there are some who would want a little less quality and trade for quantity. If you were to hire someone to mow your lawn would you want them to spend 10 hours doing it but you cant spot a single mistake or have them do it in 2-3 hours and you see some mistakes but it is good enough? I think even you would be frustrated if he releases a chapter every 4 months?

[xi0]

I actually do own all the volumes up to the recent releases. Sure i notice the difference of the drawings but i think there's a line between trying to perfect it and getting stuff out. Sure there are some fans that wouldnt mind waiting 1+months for a release with perfect art but there are some who would want a little less quality and trade for quantity. If you were to hire someone to mow your lawn would you want them to spend 10 hours doing it but you cant spot a single mistake or have them do it in 2-3 hours and you see some mistakes but it is good enough? I think even you would be frustrated if he releases a chapter every 4 months?

Listen guys, what's the point of debating this topic any further? Miura has been doing this for years now and he hasn't changed. Don't you think the editorial department at Young Animal complained and bitched at Miura initially when he started doing this? They decided that the pros definitely outweighed the cons. They've also had to field complaints from people who actually buy the magazine in Japan for years now as well. People all over the internet bitch incessantly about this very topic.

Berserk is what it is.................an awesome manga :p

Now discussing the prospect of Miura actually dying before it was finished is an interesting topic, but complaining about the release schedule is nothing new or thought-provoking. I know it's nearly impossible to curtail it, but at least try not to.

[shouryuujo]

Listen guys, what's the point of debating this topic any further? Miura has been doing this for years now and he hasn't changed. Don't you think the editorial department at Young Animal complained and bitched at Miura initially when he started doing this? They decided that the pros definitely outweighed the cons. They've also had to field complaints from people who actually buy the magazine in Japan for years now as well. People all over the internet bitch incessantly about this very topic.

Berserk is what it is.................an awesome manga :p

Now discussing the prospect of Miura actually dying before it was finished is an interesting topic, but complaining about the release schedule is nothing new or thought-provoking. I know it's nearly impossible to curtail it, but at least try not to.

yeah you are right. Just I dont think he ever took that long of breaks before though. The magazine is biweekly and he usually do ~20 pages so a page a day for 1 release/month is not too demanding? I think he could still be awesome by getting some assistants.

[102jayday]

im sure miura has a back up plan of berserk if he dies.
saying the fans could make a ending instead of some random artist, well the artist's could say they were a huge fan of berserk and are like all of us.
im sure his got a timeline plot or something,......guts encouters the god hand(flying little one, at sea and fights him/it......guts goes to elfheim.....caska is normal and betrays guts.....(i hope not on betrayal, guts would kill himself lol) .....princess charlotte is pregenant to a god hand.....guts kills griffith (mawhaah paybacks a bitch)....guts battles the new born child of griffith.....moonlight child helps guts...moonlight child stays with guts and caska at a farm, caska has another kid and guts is the man of the house...the end. something like that, well that was a example off my head, don't take it seriously! please!

miura will have something of berserk in his will lol.
maybe say to these certain artist to finish it and oh btw please take time in doing so and take 20 years :)

[Katz]

Well Miura is only 43 years old, so he has a decent amount of time left, hell he could be doing Berserk for another 20 years if he wants too...a 40 year manga series, that'd be EPIC, that could be put in the Guinness book.

[xi0]

The incredible detail and quality aside, I think Miura keeps the schedule he does because he can afford to. It's a known fact that manga-ka have an insane amount of pressure on them and work at a grueling pace to meet deadlines. This results in many of them not being the healthiest people.

Because Miura is an established artist he has probably realized that working at this pace will allow him to work longer and live a healthier lifestyle. Instead of being rundown and eventually resenting the actual work that goes into making Berserk he can probably enjoy it more and still has the drive to do what he does.

[SparkHunter13]

Kind of late with my reply, but I want to address a few things.

@ xi0:

Spot on. Agreed to both of your posts.


well, yeah, that`s the main problem here... Miura`s mind (as everyone`s) is a complete mystery, as the man himself... if we were to make up one ending we`d all be satisfied with, we`d be ceaselessly thinking about what would Miura do here and there, and so on... honestly, who would`ve thought that Ganishka, who was perceived as one of the minor characters in "Berserk", would be so vital to the continuation of the story? well, maybe a few, but still... the plot twists are unique and unexpected with Miura... that, you cannot replicate... O_o
You're right, of course, although I'll have to disagree on Ganishka being a minor character. Even without the events of recent chapters, he played an integral role in uniting the people under Griffith's banner, - amongst other things - hastening Griffith's ascent to the throne in the process. He was a pretty interesting character in his own right, too, being the only apostle to ever rebel against the God Hand.

Berserk would have been a weaker story without him, in my opinion.


i'm well aware of the quality of his art and i agree that quality cant be rushed.actually i agree with everything you say but imo there must be a limit to it.i'm an art student myself,how can i ever possibly disrespect the man!!but still,i wish i could show you my teacher's works for which he drawed all over the school's great hall(30-100m rectangular- 3,5m high) with INK in just 2 weeks.also much more detailed than berserk...
Did your teacher decide to paint the hall on a whim? Not likely. If the art is as detailed as you say (i.e. greater than Miura's), just imagine the planning required to do such a thing.

Now, consider Miura's position. Berserk is his magnum opus and twenty years in the making; his life's work and his livelihood. Each and every minor detail bears consequence somewhere down the line when the plot is as long and intricately formulated as Berserk's. Whilst the inking of a chapter may take up most of his time, Miura must also take into account twenty years worth of work to avoid even the slightest plot hole. It's little wonder he takes such frequent breaks when his job is so demanding.

P.S. I don't place Berserk above criticism, I've just learned to be patient with the releases and appreciate Miura for his achievement and ambition with his project. That's all.

[crazy_horse1989]

You're right, of course, although I'll have to disagree on Ganishka being a minor character. Even without the events of recent chapters, he played an integral role in uniting the people under Griffith's banner, - amongst other things - hastening Griffith's ascent to the throne in the process. He was a pretty interesting character in his own right, too, being the only apostle to ever rebel against the God Hand.

Berserk would have been a weaker story without him, in my opinion.



no, man, what i meant to say was simply that, when Ganishka was first introduced, i didn`t think he was THAT a major character, that`s all, and i doubt i was the only one... i do approve of his MAJOR contribution to the continuation of the story, as it went on... i just didn`t think he`d be that important... without him, the story would`ve lacked something, it wouldn`t feel the same, without all those fairy-tale characters blending into reality, slaughtering/helping/ignoring people... >_>
am i not making any sense, for my post to be so badly misunderstood? o_O

[xi0]

no, man, what i meant to say was simply that, when Ganishka was first introduced, i didn`t think he was THAT a major character, that`s all, and i doubt i was the only one... i do approve of his MAJOR contribution to the continuation of the story, as it went on... i just didn`t think he`d be that important... without him, the story would`ve lacked something, it wouldn`t feel the same, without all those fairy-tale characters blending into reality, slaughtering/helping/ignoring people... >_>
am i not making any sense, for my post to be so badly misunderstood? o_O

I see where you're coming from, but once it was revealed that he was an apostle, and a monstrously strong one at that, I think it was pretty clear that he wasn't going to be some throw-away, like Wyald or The Baron.

[SparkHunter13]

am i not making any sense, for my post to be so badly misunderstood? o_O
Yeah, kind of... :p

I'm kidding, it's just that you seemed to imply Ganishka was of little consequence until he dived into the "reincarnator". That's how I interpreted it, anyway, but it seems I was... mistook.

And on an completely unrelated note, less than a month to go!

[crazy_horse1989]

I see where you're coming from, but once it was revealed that he was an apostle, and a monstrously strong one at that, I think it was pretty clear that he wasn't going to be some throw-away, like Wyald or The Baron.

true, and that`s what i`m trying to say, that in the first few chapters, you wouldn`t have guessed his importance, until him being an apostle AND more importantly, his connection with Rakshas (what the hell is he, it makes me so damn curious: knows Ganishka and can act as part of Zodd?!), which no one seems to recall... once that was out in the open, i recognized him as a vital part of the "Berserk" world...
okay, enough about that, it`s already been discussed for too long... Miura is a genius, the end... o_O


Yeah, kind of... :p

I'm kidding, it's just that you seemed to imply Ganishka was of little consequence until he dived into the "reincarnator". That's how I interpreted it, anyway, but it seems I was... mistook.

And on an completely unrelated note, less than a month to go!

well, blame me, my bad english and my rush to make a post, thus making absofu**inglutely no sense, sorry... for now i think i`ll shut up and lurk for a while, as all of you seem to think i am a dumbass... >_>

hell yeah! when the next chapter of "Berserk", in exactly 27 days, including September 25th, i have to study every inch of the panels, as we don`t know if he`ll be back to his normal schedule or not... either way is fine by me, but i`d like to know what becomes of Guts & Co. now...

[xi0]

true, and that`s what i`m trying to say, that in the first few chapters, you wouldn`t have guessed his importance, until him being an apostle AND more importantly, his connection with Rakshas (what the hell is he, it makes me so damn curious: knows Ganishka and can act as part of Zodd?!), which no one seems to recall... once that was out in the open, i recognized him as a vital part of the "Berserk" world...
okay, enough about that, it`s already been discussed for too long... Miura is a genius, the end... o_O

I don't think he's a "part of Zodd" he was just hitching a ride. For what reason I'm not sure...

[SparkHunter13]

well, blame me, my bad english and my rush to make a post, thus making absofu**inglutely no sense, sorry... for now i think i`ll shut up and lurk for a while, as all of you seem to think i am a dumbass... >_>
... Sounds like you took it personally... My post wasn't meant to offend; as I said, it was a mistake on my part.

No harm done, I hope. :)


hell yeah! when the next chapter of "Berserk", in exactly 27 days, including September 25th, i have to study every inch of the panels, as we don`t know if he`ll be back to his normal schedule or not...
I believe this is his normal schedule. It's unlikely he'll return to semi-monthly releases now, seeing as how releases have become increasingly sporadic over the years.

A while back, the guys over at SK.net compiled a list showing the frequency and length of Miura's breaks. You could clearly see that... well, you might as well see for yourself: [CLICK (http://www.skullknight.net/images/eps.html)].

[Katz]

A while back, the guys over at SK.net compiled a list showing the frequency and length of Miura's breaks. You could clearly see that... well, you might as well see for yourself: [CLICK].

Damn I wish I had a job where I could take a 19 week vacation, that'd be great, but I gotta respect Miura for how he handles his work, amazing details and I don't look hard for these things, but I've never seen a huge gapping plothole....god Imagine all the stuff he has to remember from 20 years of work and how much he has to backpedal and re-read....solely by himself, Kishi has I'm sure a nice sized group of assistance, and still there's plot errors and there's no arguing the stylistic art depth between them...but yea if the next chapter is the 25, I'm looking forward to it

[llamapie]

Damn I wish I had a job where I could take a 19 week vacation, that'd be great, but I gotta respect Miura for how he handles his work, amazing details and I don't look hard for these things, but I've never seen a huge gapping plothole....god Imagine all the stuff he has to remember from 20 years of work and how much he has to backpedal and re-read....solely by himself, Kishi has I'm sure a nice sized group of assistance, and still there's plot errors and there's no arguing the stylistic art depth between them...but yea if the next chapter is the 25, I'm looking forward to it

Actually he is one of the few mangaka who does the whole thing himself, including the line art.

[SparkHunter13]

Actually he is one of the few mangaka who does the whole thing himself, including the line art.
Not entirely; he does employ a small team of assistants to fill in minor details here and there.

Story-wise, though, it's all Miura.

[xi0]

Not entirely; he does employ a small team of assistants to fill in minor details here and there.

Story-wise, though, it's all Miura.

I've never heard of him using assistants at all actually. I know he works closely with an editor but as far as assistants go, I wasn't aware of him using any, period.

[Mythsoul]

whoa......I came to see if the chapter was already out...and i have to wait a good 18 days ..hmmm....well...its worth the wait

[CBlitz]

whoa......I came to see if the chapter was already out...and i have to wait a good 18 days ..hmmm....well...its worth the wait

hope its not a bunch 2 page spreads like last time, granted it was meant to convey the utter shock of the meging dimensions

[SparkHunter13]

I've never heard of him using assistants at all actually. I know he works closely with an editor but as far as assistants go, I wasn't aware of him using any, period.
For the record, I, myself, have never come across an interview in which Miura speaks of his assistants; the info on this comes from a mish-mash of different sources. Like this, for example:

Miura does all the storyboarding himself, of course. And most of the work, really. He has 5 assistants nowadays, more than he used to have: Yoshihiro Kurosaki, Akio Miyaji, Nobuhiro Hirai, Naohide Nagashima, Chigusa Amagasaki. [...] If you want to see a clear example of what the assistants do in an episode, check one with people standing in the background, and look at their faces. Those drawn by the assistants are much cruder than those by Miura.
[Source (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10185.msg167287#msg167287)].

I imagine he did work without assistants earlier in his career. The art was of a "lesser" standard back then and inking each episode was likely not as taxing for Miura as it appears to be today. Recent volumes have elevated Berserk to a whole new plateau in terms of artistry and detail, so it's not unthinkable that Miura may have hired a few assistants to alleviate the workload a little.

[102jayday]

oh boy berserk comes out on my first exam lol i guess it will be my reward after the exam!

[llamapie]

For the record, I, myself, have never come across an interview in which Miura speaks of his assistants; the info on this comes from a mish-mash of different sources. Like this, for example:

[Source (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10185.msg167287#msg167287)].

I imagine he did work without assistants earlier in his career. The art was of a "lesser" standard back then and inking each episode was likely not as taxing for Miura as it appears to be today. Recent volumes have elevated Berserk to a whole new plateau in terms of artistry and detail, so it's not unthinkable that Miura may have hired a few assistants to alleviate the workload a little.

Good to know. Ya its not untypical to have some people who draw out buildings and bystanders. But ya the brunt of the detail that is required is mostly Miura. Ganishka must've been an insane amount of work.
[hr]

hope its not a bunch 2 page spreads like last time, granted it was meant to convey the utter shock of the meging dimensions

Those chapters are incredibly difficult for translators. (sarcasm)

[SparkHunter13]

Just an FYI: Episode 307 will mark Berserk's 20th anniversary and Young Animal have something special planned, apparently:

http://i32.tinypic.com/av3khl.jpg http://i26.tinypic.com/z8f4l.jpg

Not much is known at the moment, but details will appear on YA's website [CLICK (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/)] on the 18th, which is Friday next week.

[crazy_horse1989]

oh, hell, it`s gotta be something grand! 20th anniversary of the most epic manga series of all times... can`t wait for the 18th now... the Berserk community will surely get something worthy of our wait! ^_^

...or at least i hope so... Miura never let us down so far... o_O

[102jayday]

I BET ON THE 20TH ann, that miura will announce his throwing berserk away rofl, its not funny it would be terrible.
maybe on the 18th his realeasing 50 chapters, he owes us about that much for waiting lol.
well not really owe but it would be nice.....
he will prob have the next chapter all in colour or something.

[Katz]

I BET ON THE 20TH ann, that miura will announce his throwing berserk away rofl, its not funny it would be terrible.

That'd be such a serious blow to dedicated manga readers like us....I'd be heart broken.

[CBlitz]

I BET ON THE 20TH ann, that miura will announce his throwing berserk away rofl, its not funny it would be terrible.
maybe on the 18th his realeasing 50 chapters, he owes us about that much for waiting lol.
well not really owe but it would be nice.....
he will prob have the next chapter all in colour or something.

lol the outrage would be priceless..........and extremely sad

[102jayday]

IMO i think it could be harzard, somebody might hurt themselves if miura did that lol.
God i can't wait till berserk is back, when it returns it feels like years since i've last seen it. Boy oh boy when are the spoilers coming? next week? the week after? :tem :tem :tem :tem :eyeroll

[llamapie]

IMO i think it could be harzard, somebody might hurt themselves if miura did that lol.
God i can't wait till berserk is back, when it returns it feels like years since i've last seen it. Boy oh boy when are the spoilers coming? next week? the week after? :tem :tem :tem :tem :eyeroll

Usually a few days before the expected release so possible as early as next weekend.

[crazy_horse1989]

hmm... okay, the 20th anniversary piece of news is already out: http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/34/

i see some pretty pictures and the release of the 34th volume and it says something about the 25th of this month, but that`s as far as i can tell; i don`t understand anything else... can someone who knows Japanese help us with the text? >_>

[llamapie]

hmm... okay, the 20th anniversary piece of news is already out: http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/34/

i see some pretty pictures and the release of the 34th volume and it says something about the 25th of this month, but that`s as far as i can tell; i don`t understand anything else... can someone who knows Japanese help us with the text? >_>

From what I can gather its 9-25 which is the next chapter release anyways. 34th volume comes out as well as celebrating the 20th anniversary. Supposably something special is in store. :D Color pages please!

EDIT::

After looking further it looks like there are some posters that will probably be released with that volume. Pretty damn cool too bad those of us out here can't get em XD.

Ok I pulled out the images from the page for those of you who may have trouble viewing it:


http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/DrPepperPro/cover2jpg.jpg
Lied -- this is actually an alternate cover
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/DrPepperPro/poster1.jpg
Poster :D
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/DrPepperPro/2452435.jpg
Volume 34 cover.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/DrPepperPro/cover_.jpg
Volume cover protector thanks to sparkhunter for clearing that up.

Larger images: Source:
http://forum.theblackswordsman.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=578&p=25676#p25676

[SparkHunter13]

Nevermind, people, the guys over at SkullKnight.net have done the hard work already and graciously supplied us all with details. :)

The next issue of YA will include the following:

- Alternate vol. 34 cover, illustrated by Miura [ORIGINAL (http://i26.tinypic.com/10zwbuu.jpg)] [ALTERNATE (http://i28.tinypic.com/34yo2t1.jpg)]
- 50cm x 60cm poster [CLICK (http://i31.tinypic.com/2z8wzzq.jpg)]
- Apostle dices
- Seperate book focusing on the characters and world of Berserk [CLICK (http://i29.tinypic.com/6rkd5c.jpg)]

Further bonuses in limited numbers:

- Berserk-themed book cover protection [CLICK (http://i29.tinypic.com/2dkied5.jpg)]
- SUICA "seals" [CLICK (http://i25.tinypic.com/28kil9w.jpg)]
- Fans [CLICK (http://i29.tinypic.com/35lta1u.jpg)]

Also, Yurindo [CLICK (http://www.yurindo.co.jp/)], a bookselling company, will be hosting exhibitions of Miura's original works in various stores from 25th September to 25th October.

Edit: Check llamapie's post above for larger images of the covers, poster and cover protector.

[crazy_horse1989]

well, that`s great, not as great news as i expected, but i would certainly want to get my hands on that huge poster, the volume, the separate book, the dices (a fan would also be good), but most importantly, the book cover, as i read quite a few books... that would`ve been awesome if not for Femto on the cover... :darn

well, i guess it`s good enough news that volume 34 is out, guess i was expecting too much... :tem

[102jayday]

i love the last picture of the god hand it's like a cool cd cover lol

[llamapie]

i love the last picture of the god hand it's like a cool cd cover lol

Ya its actually a book protector cover for the volume that comes out. XD Same thing as the paper bags on your schoolbooks.

[CBlitz]

art looks fantastic as usual

[SparkHunter13]

well, that`s great, not as great news as i expected [...] well, i guess it`s good enough news that volume 34 is out, guess i was expecting too much... :tem
What more could you expect, realistically? Frankly, I'd have been satisfied with the alternate cover alone, - that there is a gorgeous piece of artwork - everything else is just a bonus, as far as I'm concerned. (Well... all of it's a bonus, but, er... You know what I mean!)

Got to say, though, I'm really intrigued by the data booklet thingy. There are certain aspects of Berserk lore that need clarifying, I think, and this would be a great way to do it.

Edit: Yurindo have updated their website and provided us with a clearer image of vol. 34's cover art:

http://i35.tinypic.com/2hyi5hd.jpg

Lovely, although I'd still take the alternate cover if I had to choose.

[xi0]

Posts regarding the Berserk 307 Spoilers were moved. This thread is for GENERAL discussion of Berserk.

[CBlitz]

hey guys, I heard chapters 308 and 309 got leaked

is this true?

[Concrete]

hey guys, I heard chapters 308 and 309 got leaked

is this true?

I guess it's not too big of a stretch, considering how close together the release dates of chapters 307 and 308 are.

[LoS]

can you please spoiler tag that, as nice as it is to hear I really didn't want to know that before seeing it for myself.

[CBlitz]

sorry about that

Apparently Guts and co. finally reach Elfheim

[SpaghettiZombie]

sorry about that

Apparently Guts and co. finally reach Elfheim

Are you serious?:eek:
It seems too early to talk of chapters 308-309, has yet to come out of the 307 raw!:s

[Katz]

Ehh you never know...but I doubt something like that is true

[CBlitz]

:D:D:D:D:D

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1313/1254090754190.png

[kewl0210]

There's a LQ raw out, but you can get Evil_Genius's english scanlation here:
http://www.evil-genius.us/index.php/2009/09/b-b-b-b-uuunit/

Though they don't release on MH, and do their own scans.

[SparkHunter13]

hey guys, I heard chapters 308 and 309 got leaked

is this true?

Apparently Guts and co. finally reach Elfheim
Where'd you hear that?

... It's possible your source misinterpreted the information. The word is that 307 marks the end of the "Millennium Falcon" arc and the chapter of "Falconia"; with 308, the "Fantasia" arc begins, as well as the chapter of "Elf Island".

Edit: Crap, nevermind. Just seen your spoiler-tagged image. :facepalm

[crazy_horse1989]

seems like Finestela released a RAW for the separate book thingy, concentrating on the characters and world of Berserk and it looks great, covering some issues that have been discussed around here, but i wonder when and if someone will translate it... that would be great, as i don`t know Japanese... >_>

RAW by Finestela: http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/55627

[kewl0210]

seems like Finestela released a RAW for the separate book thingy, concentrating on the characters and world of Berserk and it looks great, covering some issues that have been discussed around here, but i wonder when and if someone will translate it... that would be great, as i don`t know Japanese... >_>

RAW by Finestela: http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/55627

I looked through that, it's ALL a big recap, basically going over the whole story character by character, and also in long paragraphs explaining what everything is. There's nothing new or seemingly interesting there. It's just there because it's the end of a hiatus and the 20th anniversary.

[crazy_horse1989]

ah, shoot... i expected a bit of explanations... well, it`s good enough that Miura thought of doing this and it`s all drawn by him, so meh...

thanks for making things clear... :)

finally, the story is moving forward to Guts in Elfhelm and we`ll see if Caska regains her sanity... not that it would be a good thing, considering what happened to her... >_>

[nawni]

Random post sorry everybody....hope you don't mind ....I love naruto and stumbled upon vinland saga which I ate up every chapter I could find in a few days(56) manga is new for me and I read somewhere if you like vinland saga berserk is a definate recomendation I would love to know from the honest fans of berserk if this is true and I've read a page or 2 here and the description slightly frightening but very intriguing has goten me very curious please any thoughts would be appreciated and sincerely apologize for this misplaced post if indeed that's what it is thanks for atleast reading it

[xi0]

Random post sorry everybody....hope you don't mind ....I love naruto and stumbled upon vinland saga which I ate up every chapter I could find in a few days(56) manga is new for me and I read somewhere if you like vinland saga berserk is a definate recomendation I would love to know from the honest fans of berserk if this is true and I've read a page or 2 here and the description slightly frightening but very intriguing has goten me very curious please any thoughts would be appreciated and sincerely apologize for this misplaced post if indeed that's what it is thanks for atleast reading it

I don't read Vinland Saga, but if you're up for an uber-gory, manly, medieval/fantasy, epic, revenge story then I'd say you can't go wrong with Berserk.

[nawni]

K so I've made it through volume 14 not sure what chapter that equals....I have a few questions and problems for everyone here that's interested in helpin me out here......1st things first his name-where im reading these the characters have called him variations throughout guts gutts gats gatts gatz gutz.....drives me nuts nutts nutz natz ....please clear this up over anything else I bring up....I think this is a hilarious manga and just totally different in every way ...the art seemed cheesey for a good while but picked up a little....does the art get better? What's with puck? The opening sequence was I guess present time and I really didn't care for puck and im glad he's not been in the rest so far...is he worth giving a chance does he come back later on? Who the hell is the skull rider guy was there a point to the gaeseric guy reference? Forgive me for the names I really am reading from a place where the names and translations are terrible.....I liked judeau a lot not so much caska .....is it behelit or beherit....or....? And do we go in to the tower again where griffith was tortured as a human? That really seemed interesting....I think the different knights are not so appealing ....white tigers purple rhinos black dogs....does this continue throughout.....is rickert gonna grow in to someone cool hope he's not a wasted character cause judeau was way cool..... anyway thanks for reading I know everyones more interested in new chapters and not this old stuf but if anyone has an opinion or some helpful advice or knows the names please help me out and thanks berserk is really growing on me

[Katz]

Your calling the art of Berserk cheesey?.....from the opening volume the art is 1000x anything you'll see in Naruto or bleach or any manga...and it just keeps getting better and better.

[nawni]

Its sloppy is all itas not a big deal to me the manga is plenty enjoyable I think the weapons and environments are done well just not a fan of all females having the same pair of tits and abs and when there's bodies on spears or hanging in chambers they all look identical I just think the art loses half a point om background characters and half a point on characters in the foreground not sayin its 3/10 or that its worse than another manga just little things that make it seem all weapons and monsters and no concern for variation in humans there is more now at 14 than at 2 or 3 so it is improving but even the main character changes size compared to other characters like caska sometimes he's huge next to her others he's average looking and his build is sometimes massive and others kinda small but ripped just seemed like the artist focussed all efforts and talent on monsters/demons and weapons when they do old people in this manga its freaky the princess' dad when he was molesting her was so sick the depth in his face was gross and realistic and when he was aged later great art work anyway sorry if this is offending the dedicated readers of berserk I will gladly delete my post if its only viewed as offensive coulda used help on the leads name

[Crime]

Only time I see inconsistency is on Gutts sword. The size varies from time to time but thats about it.

[SparkHunter13]

1st things first his name-where im reading these the characters have called him variations throughout guts gutts gats gatts gatz gutz.....drives me nuts nutts nutz natz ....please clear this up over anything else I bring up....
It's Guts, G-U-T-S, Guts. When the Japanese pronounce his name it sounds like "Gatsu"; I'm guessing that's where, at least some of the multiple derivations originate.


the art seemed cheesey for a good while but picked up a little....does the art get better?
Hold on, hold on... You're currently reading volume 14 - very close to some of Berserk's most badarse imagery - and you regard the art as... "cheesy"?

...

Cheesy!? This [CLICK (http://i33.tinypic.com/5dtijr.jpg)] is cheesy!? *incomprehensible raving ensues* (http://i33.tinypic.com/25s6gdl.jpg)

[hr]
Alright, I'm calm now... Seriously, though, I've never seen anyone critise the quality of Berserk's art before... Okay, I have... but only when comparing the early volumes to recent ones.

Anyway, you asked if the art improves later on; does this [KIND OF SPOILER-ISH (http://i34.tinypic.com/118ovme.jpg)] answer your question?


What's with puck? The opening sequence was I guess present time and I really didn't care for puck and im glad he's not been in the rest so far...is he worth giving a chance does he come back later on?
Ah, yes, Puck: A common cause of complaint. He returns at the beginning of the Conviction Arc/Chapter of Lost Children (partway through volume 14).

I'm a fan of Puck early on in the manga. He provides insight into Guts' feelings and frame of mind, whereas later on he becomes little more than a sentient first aid kit used for comic relief. :(

Luckily for you, however, he's given less and less "screen time" as the manga progresses and as Guts' companions grow in number.


Who the hell is the skull rider guy was there a point to the gaeseric guy reference?
Simply put, we don't know and we're still speculating.


Forgive me for the names I really am reading from a place where the names and translations are terrible.....I liked judeau a lot not so much caska .....is it behelit or beherit....or....?
More confusion. The correct romanisation, I believe, is "Beherit", but the anime subtitled it as "Behelit". Similarly, Judo - that's the correct spelling, by the way - was subtitled as "Judeau" in the anime. You can gripe over it all you like, but most fans will understand who or what you're referencing, regardless of the spelling.

If you absolutely must know the correct spelling for each of the names, SkullKnight.net's Encyclopedia will help: [CLICK (http://www.skullknight.net/encyclopedia/glossary/glossary.php)]. Alternatively, you could purchase the localised version of the manga from Dark Horse.


And do we go in to the tower again where griffith was tortured as a human? That really seemed interesting....
We haven't revisited the Tower of Rebirth since Griffith's prison break back in volume 10.


I think the different knights are not so appealing ....white tigers purple rhinos black dogs....does this continue throughout.....
There are different nations and factions and whatnot, yes, but if you're asking whether the "<colour> <animal> Knights" thing continues, then no - it's unique to the Tudor Empire, as far as I know.


is rickert gonna grow in to someone cool hope he's not a wasted character cause judeau was way cool.....
Hard to say without spoilers... Well... Rickert kind of takes a back seat from the Eclipse onwards, so I wouldn't expect him to become Judeau 2.0, if I were you.

P.S. I'll reply to your second post later, if I'm able.

[nawni]

@ sparkhunter13
THANKS!!! Couldn't have asked for any where near the response and feedback you offer here wow......just so everyone knows sparkhunter13 has thoroughly and quickly changed my opinion of the art quality please forgive me that pic was awesome thank you ......and honestly my complaint was more prior to 14 than 14 itself
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Thanks button isn't working again for me .....its cause I use my phone for internet and its hit or miss with buttons and sites thanks to all who reply and help me out so far especially sparkhunter13 and thanks to crime and an apology to katz for insulting the art and offending a fan

[llamapie]

@ sparkhunter13
THANKS!!! Couldn't have asked for any where near the response and feedback you offer here wow......just so everyone knows sparkhunter13 has thoroughly and quickly changed my opinion of the art quality please forgive me that pic was awesome thank you ......and honestly my complaint was more prior to 14 than 14 itself
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Thanks button isn't working again for me .....its cause I use my phone for internet and its hit or miss with buttons and sites thanks to all who reply and help me out so far especially sparkhunter13 and thanks to crime and an apology to katz for insulting the art and offending a fan

Even early on the art was fantastic in Berserk. But ya, you can gauge the amount of time Miura has spent on the manga by simply comparing quality in the early volumes to the later ones. It is a 20 year span, of getting better.

[nawni]

K so I finished 14.....little confused am I back to the beginning AFTER saving puck in the tavern or before I wanna say after because his demeanor has changed and he carries on with puck as if they've met already and this was the best volume so far for me I like ....Zodd? Or zodo? Anyway so far him and judeau have really gotten points from me I like that this doesn't seem to really get dull ever a few political pieces with griffith earlier but big payoff I think oh and if anyone can put the page up when he blasts the cannon for the first time....I got to see him flip the hand back then the aftemath but that page in between wouldn't load I was so pissed that sword is the sh@t too! Thanks everybody
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Thanks llamapie......buttons not workin so im throwin out thanks anyway I can

[SparkHunter13]

oh and if anyone can put the page up when he blasts the cannon for the first time....
This? [CLICK (http://i36.tinypic.com/dg1fo3.jpg)] (Ignore the stupid translation.)

[nawni]

This? [CLICK (http://i36.tinypic.com/dg1fo3.jpg)] (Ignore the stupid translation.)

HOLY SH@T!!!! Thanks a million that was awesome blew the whole back end out!

[Gohan]

i find this page :

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8017/allein19343294.jpg

any one help to see this translated ?

looks too funny XD

[Franckie]

Zodd? Or zodo?

It's Zodd.

[dee810]

I watched the anime for the first time (havent read the manga) and im kind of confused at the part after they rescued Griffith. After the part where Guts was talking to Casca he escapes on the horse and crashes into the lake.

Does Grifftih stab himself on the branch or just partially? And also how does the behelit (sp?) work exactly? It's said that it requires flesh and blood. When Griffith tells guts to stay away and not to touch him, why does it cause it to activate? Thanks for helping a noob.

[ameya730]

i have not read the anime so i cant help you on the first part but as far as how the behelit works i can explain it to you but trust me you will enjoy it much more if you read the manga because the visuals are stunning

also the anime is not complete since the manga is ongoing because of that they decided to end the anime early and they removed a lot of elements that are present in the manga :facepalm

my suggestion is read the manga it would answer many of your questions. sure there are side effects to that like you become addicted to berserk and you have more questions but its worth it :p

sorry if i have not answered your questions directly but trust me read the manga its a master piece :)

[dee810]

I def will read the manga and I can't wait too. Im still confused why in the anime Griffith wanted Guts to stay away from him moments before the eclipse happened.

[abuyi]

Random post sorry everybody....hope you don't mind ....I love naruto and stumbled upon vinland saga which I ate up every chapter I could find in a few days(56) manga is new for me and I read somewhere if you like vinland saga berserk is a definate recomendation I would love to know from the honest fans of berserk if this is true and I've read a page or 2 here and the description slightly frightening but very intriguing has goten me very curious please any thoughts would be appreciated and sincerely apologize for this misplaced post if indeed that's what it is thanks for atleast reading it



cause of you this quote i started reading vinland saga... you see i am a fan of berserk and i hate waiting for it...so i though i will read vinland, i actually like reading vinland saga. its nothing like berserk.. beserk is in different level but vinland does reminds me of berserk.. especially the golden arc. see berserk is not for weak heart people.. its mature for a reason... many of my friend couldnt read berserk.. they find it lil too disturbing... so if you gona read berserk keeping vinland in your head you might not appreciate the details of berserk... so dont compare... both are good in their places.. berserk is just legendary :P

[Mushashi]

K so I've made it through volume 14 not sure what chapter that equals....I have a few questions and problems for everyone here that's interested in helpin me out here......1st things first his name-where im reading these the characters have called him variations throughout guts gutts gats gatts gatz gutz.....drives me nuts nutts nutz natz ....please clear this up over anything else I bring up....I think this is a hilarious manga and just totally different in every way ...the art seemed cheesey for a good while but picked up a little....does the art get better? What's with puck? The opening sequence was I guess present time and I really didn't care for puck and im glad he's not been in the rest so far...is he worth giving a chance does he come back later on? Who the hell is the skull rider guy was there a point to the gaeseric guy reference? Forgive me for the names I really am reading from a place where the names and translations are terrible.....I liked judeau a lot not so much caska .....is it behelit or beherit....or....? And do we go in to the tower again where griffith was tortured as a human? That really seemed interesting....I think the different knights are not so appealing ....white tigers purple rhinos black dogs....does this continue throughout.....is rickert gonna grow in to someone cool hope he's not a wasted character cause judeau was way cool..... anyway thanks for reading I know everyones more interested in new chapters and not this old stuf but if anyone has an opinion or some helpful advice or knows the names please help me out and thanks berserk is really growing on me

don worry about the guts veryiasions but it is almost certain the correct tranlation is gutz, it is german pronounced gaatz, it is afer a scientist in germany in the 1600s who had a prothetic arm perhaps the first made out of iron his name was rodoric van gaatz his prosthetic arm is almost identical to miuras even though he assures everyone that he wasnt doing it knowingly. and puck is almost the only thing keeping beserk from being to dark in places. like guts is killing everything around him and puck ( also a mistivious fairy from a shakespearen play a mid summer nights dream) will say the odd little cliched joke to brighten up to mood a little. miura is not your averege mangaka he is extremly smart and people think beserk as being stupid and not in depth. but really with guts being modeled off real historical characters and puck from shakespear, one has to know that miura isnt you'r averge tite kubo

[Black124C41]

Quick question, recently finished reading all the current Berserk manga.

Has Gutts ever told anyone in his current group exactly what happened to him and Casca? Do they know exactly who and what Griffith IS now? I mean we know Farnese has no idea why Casca is currently in the state she is in but how about Schierke? does she have even a clue about whats going on? I mean I imagine Flora must have gotten wind of the Eclipse and the events that followed due to her connections with Skull Knight so she could have told her but...eh who knows.

I mean clearly they all understand the need to kill emisaries etc but for instance I imagine they all got a little confused when Gutts fourght with Zod and then had a polite chat with him afterwards.

I think that is one thing I would truly like to read, Gutts sitting down and telling everyone exactly what happened.....then again maybe he just doesn't trust them enough yet, wouldn't be unlike him, or the more likely idea that he just can't face talking about it.

One of the things after reading that really has me quite literely worried is the idea of what will happen to Casca if/when she is "healed", will she regain her memories and love for Gutts? will she be driven completely insane when she is faced with actualy dealing with the events of the Eclipse? Will she regain her sanity but retain her hatred for Gutts?

I think anything but option 1 would kill me.


Oh another qusetion, the myserious child on the beach, are there any theories around who/what he (I assume it was a boy?) is? The only idea i've had is that it was either simply a random kid (seems unlikely) or that it was in fact the true form of Gutts and Casca's son, some kind of remnant that came about when Griffith was reborn....and then there is the idea that it is the soul of the child and has now become a demon, which would suck.

Anyway, amazing story, absolutely love it.

[ameya730]

Quick question, recently finished reading all the current Berserk manga.

Has Gutts ever told anyone in his current group exactly what happened to him and Casca? Do they know exactly who and what Griffith IS now? I mean we know Farnese has no idea why Casca is currently in the state she is in but how about Schierke? does she have even a clue about whats going on? I mean I imagine Flora must have gotten wind of the Eclipse and the events that followed due to her connections with Skull Knight so she could have told her but...eh who knows.

I mean clearly they all understand the need to kill emisaries etc but for instance I imagine they all got a little confused when Gutts fourght with Zod and then had a polite chat with him afterwards.

I think that is one thing I would truly like to read, Gutts sitting down and telling everyone exactly what happened.....then again maybe he just doesn't trust them enough yet, wouldn't be unlike him, or the more likely idea that he just can't face talking about it.

One of the things after reading that really has me quite literely worried is the idea of what will happen to Casca if/when she is "healed", will she regain her memories and love for Gutts? will she be driven completely insane when she is faced with actualy dealing with the events of the Eclipse? Will she regain her sanity but retain her hatred for Gutts?

I think anything but option 1 would kill me.


Oh another qusetion, the myserious child on the beach, are there any theories around who/what he (I assume it was a boy?) is? The only idea i've had is that it was either simply a random kid (seems unlikely) or that it was in fact the true form of Gutts and Casca's son, some kind of remnant that came about when Griffith was reborn....and then there is the idea that it is the soul of the child and has now become a demon, which would suck.

Anyway, amazing story, absolutely love it.

the elf who is always with guts knows what happened between guts caska and god hand. he does not know the complete history just the images that he was able to view in guts mind when guts had gone berserk

as far as the others are concerned they dont know about guts past and frankly i dont think they care too much about it apart from the witch who was advised by her sensai to observe guts cause he was a very intriguing person.
ishidoro only wants to learn how to fight and thats why he is following guts while farnese wants to change herself completely and till now guts is the only person who has shown her the courage that she was desperately trying to find

nonetheless during the course of their travels all of them inspite of having ulterior motives have come closer as companions so i am sure one day they would find out abouts guts past but i dont think guts would tell them . he does not seem that kind of a person. if anything there is a good chance that rickett would tell them abouts guts past.

the child on the beach is very likely to be guts and caska and griffith/femto's child. basically during eclipse caska was pregnant and then she got raped by femto which resulted in premature birth of a mutated child

during the conviction arc the emperor's egg took the almost dead child in itself which probably resulted in the child being given the form that we currently see (<--speculation)

the child seems to have a feeling of oneness with caska and even tough it feels some resentment towards guts it nonetheless feels curiosity towards him as they are related.

it remains to be seen how much of a demon it has become and whether it would retain both the characteristics of human and demon or whether one of the characteristics would dominate

[Black124C41]

Yeah, I don't take Gutts as the kind to really want to explain his past to people, I mean I could be wrong but I think he wants as little to do with as possible outside of getting Casca back to her old self and ripping Griffith limb from limb.

Completely forgot about Puck, bloody annoying little critter that he is, I wonder how much he really knows or has at least speculated, he has kinda been pushed into obscurity and comic relief, or at least more so than he used to be.

Luckily though I imagine these things will be explained, luckily due to Miura being a very good writer what there is to speculate on is never particularly outlandish and logicaly there are only a certain amount of possibilities.

Can't wait for the next chapter.

[ghostexiled]

I recently made the mistake of reading all the Berserk recently, just to find out after I did that the Mangaka is very flighty and unreliable to continue the manga. :( Now I know this may not be TRUE but it seems like he has a reoccurring problem...

"Berserk mangaka Kentaro Miura has given up manga in order to become a full-time Nico-maniac, with his days spent watching Idolmaster MADs and typing in insightful strings of “www”.

Lately he has even taken to interfering with the work of uninfected mangaka, attempting to turn them by way of classes held at his home.

His long-time friend and fellow mangaka Kouji Mori (who recently completed his long-running “Holy Land” manga and so is especially vulnerable) reports being subjected to just such an attempt, a two hour course on the secrets of NicoNico Idolmaster videos.

Fans are exasperatedly asking that Miura return to completing his magnum opus, though his symptoms do not appear to be in remission…"

this was quoted from a website that I found when searching for any answers to if he would return to the manga. I won't post a link to the site I found this on (due to some Hentai related pictures that are shown on the site...)

but I can tell you if you want to find it, google "why does Kentaro Miura take so many breaks?" the site has numerous stories about his "problem"...

but I can post the Japanese site that states it

http://yunakiti.blog79.fc2.com/blog-entry-2538.html

[xi0]

I recently made the mistake of reading all the Berserk recently, just to find out after I did that the Mangaka is very flighty and unreliable to continue the manga. :(

"Berserk mangaka Kentaro Miura has given up manga in order to become a full-time Nico-maniac, with his days spent watching Idolmaster MADs and typing in insightful strings of “www”.

Lately he has even taken to interfering with the work of uninfected mangaka, attempting to turn them by way of classes held at his home.

His long-time friend and fellow mangaka Kouji Mori (who recently completed his long-running “Holy Land” manga and so is especially vulnerable) reports being subjected to just such an attempt, a two hour course on the secrets of NicoNico Idolmaster videos.

Fans are exasperatedly asking that Miura return to completing his magnum opus, though his symptoms do not appear to be in remission…"

this was quoted from a website that I found when searching for any answers to if he would return to the manga. I won't post a link to the site I found this on (due to some Hentai related pictures that are shown on the site...)

but I can tell you if you want to find it, google "why does Kentaro Miura take so many breaks?" the site has numerous stories about his "problem"...

but I can post the Japanese site that states it

http://yunakiti.blog79.fc2.com/blog-entry-2538.html

:facepalm

Read HERE (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10065.0). Hopefully that will shed some light on what you've been reading.

[ghostexiled]

^ I had a feeling I should of known better... :p

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess this is what I get when I stay up too late lurking through the internets.

[CBlitz]

the idolmaster thing is just a joke that the fans made up to explain the releases (or lack of)

[ghostexiled]

well I had heard before that the releases were kind of hit and miss before reading the entire manga series during a weekend... so I came here to read comments from you guys and could not really see a reason for this release issue.

so I googled it and that was the most returned story on why he does not release the manga on time.

next time I will just PM someone before posting things in my hazing sleepless state! :)

[llamapie]

well I had heard before that the releases were kind of hit and miss before reading the entire manga series during a weekend... so I came here to read comments from you guys and could not really see a reason for this release issue.

so I googled it and that was the most returned story on why he does not release the manga on time.

next time I will just PM someone before posting things in my hazing sleepless state! :)

He takes frequent breaks ya, for various reasons. =_=

[lesengir]

HAHAHA i actually lol'd when i read that, idolmaster and strings of " www "

HAHAHAH xD you have to be hardcore to understand the sarcasm behind that xD!

[xi0]

The IdolM@ster stuff isn't really a rumor, as he's mentioned in his author's comments section in Young Animal that he enjoys the game and Nico Nico Douga.

This discussion was moved to a more appropriate thread.

[Thallc]

Though I praise Miura for sticking with the plot line in it's longevity and complexity I am really looking forward to plot points such as: Guts controlling or succumbing to the Berserk Armor, the choice of Casca's sanity at the cost of her remember all that happened to her.

Imagine the moment where Guts has to decide to leave her in this state to protect her from al the harm it will cause her. Worth the wait!

On a side note, what do you think, will he make her sane or will he protect ehr and keep her like this. Or is the elven kingdom already taken over bij apostle's ;)

[102jayday]

dark horse is now selling vol 32! almost up to current!!
maybe miura will spoil us for christmas...i hope.

i am interested to see what happens to caska (gutsxcaska fan <3 lol). i don't think we see the beast of darkness appear too soon, one of the last chapters was when fanny when off at caska because guts tries his hardest to protect her and she rejects him (in her current state of mind)
I think griffith will attack elfheim, to force a battle with guts if they are going to fight, remember guts ask zood if griffith was coming to the city and zood said yes but guts said it doesn't interest me with monsters fighting each other, then left on ship. That said he chose caska over griffith which would also supress the beast of darkness urges.

[CBlitz]

seeing Caska act like her normal self is weird, she's been messed up for the majority of the manga at this point...

I'd laugh so hard if she joins Griffith because she doesn't remember the rape

we'd probably need a new Guts rageface

[llamapie]

seeing Caska act like her normal self is weird, she's been messed up for the majority of the manga at this point...

I'd laugh so hard if she joins Griffith because she doesn't remember the rape

we'd probably need a new Guts rageface

Would be funny though.

Seeing everyone's "WTF!?" face when she starts kicking Guts' ass for being such a gloomy asshole.

[102jayday]

I could see it be puck pretending to be caska (if thats possible lol) pucks likely to make a big rofl to others or a wtf??

If caska joined griffith then guts would lose his humanity and the beast of darkness would take over for good, making him a monster without dying (weird).

Plus guts would prob kill himself, his lost everything and learnt bout that twice so now he is desperate to never lost that 1 spark that remains. We saw how sad he got when he was drowning in the ocean as his grip to caska was loosening. But then again all the time those two are by the water their bond gets stronger.

[Mushashi]

no lol. there is 0% chance of caska joining griffith

[vagabond87]

I found something ineresting.. One of the latest interviews with oda from SkullKnight.NET- berserk is now somewhere around 60% finished :( It is planned for 55 vol. or more so we will see the end of the story not earlier then 2020..

[Drmke]

I found something ineresting.. One of the latest interviews with oda from SkullKnight.NET- berserk is now somewhere around 60% finished :( It is planned for 55 vol. or more so we will see the end of the story not earlier then 2020..

Why so sad? This is not a bad thing. :facepalm Just means we get to enjoy Berserk that much longer!!

[llamapie]

no lol. there is 0% chance of caska joining griffith

Considering the morbid nature of this manga, it would not surprise me.

[102jayday]

i wannnaaaaaa see caska return to her normal self!!! and have her and guts be like cat and dog again, i love them as a couple, argh i wanna see some more romance with those too, while im still young lol and i think i will see that when im 50...lol

[shouryuujo]

i think just to stay on the gloomy side caska will remain the way she is till the end. fairy kingdom prob will be invaded and destroyed or the fairy king might say something like Caska has to draw her innerself to recover from the trauma. Plus even if she's restored she will still be a hindrance if not more since she will play a more active role in fighting monsters and she is not that good at it.

of course at the rate of this manga we prob wont see elf king till xmas 2011

[102jayday]

MIURA WHERE IS OUR CHRISTMAS GIFT!!!!!!!!
merry christmas to all who believe in christmas.

Well i think caska would do pretty damn well in fighting, she was the 3rd best fighter in the band of the hawk, she even killed some in the esciplse. if she got a spirit power like the new team she would be good, not sure who would be better in a fight caska or seprico, but sprico is smart.
I would like to see the moonlight child again he was sooo cute.

[Nezar]

Fu+++ng sh+t mate!

You mean to tell me I´ll be 34 when I get to see the end of Berserk?... that I can't take man! not a chance!

More so, I agree, Miura's gonna die before he gets Berserk done. I hope he entrusts someone with his will and the series' script in his dying moments, that way he can go out peacefully. If not, I'm gonna ravage his corpse myself and sell his remaining bones on e-bay so they can be defiled for the countless of unsatisfied fans around the globe, honest. (hehe)

Looking forward for the next chapter, by the way...

-J-

[vagabond87]

Fu+++ng sh+t mate!

You mean to tell me I´ll be 34 when I get to see the end of Berserk?... that I can't take man! not a chance!

More so, I agree, Miura's gonna die before he gets Berserk done. I hope he entrusts someone with his will and the series' script in his dying moments, that way he can go out peacefully. If not, I'm gonna ravage his corpse myself and sell his remaining bones on e-bay so they can be defiled for the countless of unsatisfied fans around the globe, honest. (hehe)

Looking forward for the next chapter, by the way...

-J-
But thanks to all those years I am almost certain that we will see new berserk anime. It will be great if bones studio will be the one to make it.
Or we will probably see some OVA like hellsing, coming out twice in the year :s

[crazy_horse1989]

But thanks to all those years I am olmost certain that we will see new berserk anime. It will be great if bones studio will be the one to make it.
Or we will probably see some OVA like hellsing, coming out twice in the year :s



well, OVA`s would do the art some justice, but yeah, 6 months for an episode... worse than waiting for chapters or not really, since an OVA can be even 50 minutes long... take it whatever you like it... o_O

[F#ck The World!!!]

I think Miura probably got Alzheimer's and totally forgot about Berserk. Lol

[CBlitz]

if Berserk were ever adapted again than I'd imagine that there would be a lot of episodes simply because theres so much to cover. Only way for it to be done well are OVAs. Though I hope they don't do a 1 OVA=1 volume.

[102jayday]

^
Yes heaps of berserk episodes would surely cure the illness that miura gives fans when waiting for the current manga chapters.

[Gats]

Long time I didn't read here. I hoped to see a new release/raw for Christmas or the beginning of 2010 but....no. This guy is crazy to draw alone or almost.

[Windmillblade]

hey dudes last one i read is when griffith was gonna start thr war with the ugly sultan who became a huge evil tree ,any links to where i can catch up?or at what page or chapter i left off at?

[L0ki]

Probably around episode 295

[lesengir]

Still no news huh.

Well, I'm betting that we will have a max of 9 chapters this year.

[gokusgirl]

hey dudes last one i read is when griffith was gonna start thr war with the ugly sultan who became a huge evil tree ,any links to where i can catch up?or at what page or chapter i left off at?

here you go:

http://haven-reader.net/index.php?mode=view&series=Berserk&chapter=--%20INDEX%20--

[L0ki]

According to the sk.net guys Berserk comes back on the 22nd

http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx41/BERSERK_KIT/Untitled-1.jpg

[lesengir]

I see alot of familiar mangas aswell. yuria shiki and nana to kaoru xD

GJ!, Only a few days more xD the wait it's over

[SuperShuter]

Ive just read berserk up to current and its easily my favourite. Is it only like 15-20 page chapters being relised monthly atm whats with that situation? its more of a bummer than claymore... some one tell me this aint true i might have had second thoughts on flat out reading it if i knew that lol

[Katz]

^It's true the mangaka takes HUGE breaks between chapters, but with the manga running 20 years now, the research for chapters must be phenomenal...and its not even released a on a strict monthly schedule, sometimes its been like 3-4 months before we get a hint at the next chapter release....so just buckle down and wait

[SuperShuter]

Was it being released in volumes though before which means you would get a lot out of the wait. It must suck to wait that long only to get a chapters worth of development but atleast its still going after 20 years

[CBlitz]

yeah well the good news is that Berserk has been confirmed to be two-thirds done. Which means that it'll probably end in the next 10 years :D

[xi0]

The magazine Berserk runs in, Young Animal, is a bi-monthly magazine. So when Berserk is on a regular schedule, though it's rare, we get a chapter every two weeks for a run. Though it doesn't last long.

[henk]

hey i got a question i just finished this manga was pretty great btw but saw something about a unrealeased chapter 83 does anybody know where i can find that?

i tried looking in old threads here but the links to it did not work.

[Drmke]

hey i got a question i just finished this manga was pretty great btw but saw something about a unrealeased chapter 83 does anybody know where i can find that?

i tried looking in old threads here but the links to it did not work.

It wasn't released in a tankouben like the other chapters. No real reason was given for why this was done. It should still be available on online sites that host the entire series.

[SparkHunter13]

hey i got a question i just finished this manga was pretty great btw but saw something about a unrealeased chapter 83 does anybody know where i can find that?
[CLICK (http://www.mediafire.com/?2ntmmzhowzy)].

[L0ki]

i just finished this manga

Where can I find the rest of the story?

He means he read all the chapters out, no need for the sarcasm please. ~ Drmke

[benelori]

Does anyone think that Guts will wield the Resonance Blade, the one made from Behelits? The astral world and the real world are getting merged...and the only space manipulator weapon is this...and I don't expect the skull warrior to stay around much, and I figure Guts will seperate the real world from the astral world

[xi0]

Does anyone think that Guts will wield the Resonance Blade, the one made from Behelits? The astral world and the real world are getting merged...and the only space manipulator weapon is this...and I don't expect the skull warrior to stay around much, and I figure Guts will seperate the real world from the astral world

Well so far we've only seen a negative result of the worlds merging. Maybe there will be some positives though? As long as Skull Knight is around, I see no reason why Guts would wield it. It might be something only Skull Knight can use due to him collecting the Behelits.

[SparkHunter13]

Does anyone think that Guts will wield the Resonance Blade, the one made from Behelits?
What, as a permanent replacement for the Dragon Slayer? If so, then no, for a couple of reasons. One is that the Behelit Sword (assuming, as xi0 says, that Guts can even use it) proved ineffectual against Femto, Guts' ultimate foe, whilst the Dragon Slayer is and was shown to be capable of harming godlike beings—God Hand included. Another is that Guts has been offered replacement weapons in the past, but rejected them in favour of "What [his] hand knows best." In short, the Behelit Sword is neither wanted nor needed (by Guts).

A third and less obvious reason is that the Dragon Slayer has become symbolic of man's triumph over nature—or rather, man's capacity to exceed his limitations (bear with me). It was once thought impossible for humans to fly or venture into outer space, but with modern technology, it became possible. Similarly, the apostles were thought to be imdomitable, the Eclipse unsurvivable, the Dragon Slayer unwieldable, but Guts prevailed in these endeavours and more besides. The Dragon Slayer is the very icon of that success; it represents Guts' resilience and unbreakable will as a warrior, and by extension, man's ability to overcome all obstacles, however impossible they might first appear.

That's my take on it, anyway. The Dragon Slayer has earned its "role" as Guts' primary weapon, thus I'm confident that when he stands opposite Griffith and moves to strike the fatal blow, it'll be the Dragon Slayer he holds in his hands.

[Gats]

What, as a permanent replacement for the Dragon Slayer? If so, then no, for a couple of reasons. One is that the Behelit Sword (assuming, as xi0 says, that Guts can even use it) proved ineffectual against Femto, Guts' ultimate foe, whilst the Dragon Slayer is and was shown to be capable of harming godlike beings—God Hand included. Another is that Guts has been offered replacement weapons in the past, but rejected them in favour of "What [his] hand knows best." In short, the Behelit Sword is neither wanted nor needed (by Guts).

A third and less obvious reason is that the Dragon Slayer has become symbolic of man's triumph over nature—or rather, man's capacity to exceed his limitations (bear with me). It was once thought impossible for humans to fly or venture into outer space, but with modern technology, it became possible. Similarly, the apostles were thought to be imdomitable, the Eclipse unsurvivable, the Dragon Slayer unwieldable, but Guts prevailed in these endeavours and more besides. The Dragon Slayer is the very icon of that success; it represents Guts' resilience and unbreakable will as a warrior, and by extension, man's ability to overcome all obstacles, however impossible they might first appear.

That's my take on it, anyway. The Dragon Slayer has earned its "role" as Guts' primary weapon, thus I'm confident that when he stands opposite Griffith and moves to strike the fatal blow, it'll be the Dragon Slayer he holds in his hands.


I would add that since they are really in a fantasy world now, the sword will finally slay some real dragons. Not an apostle who looks like a dragon I mean. :amuse

[benelori]

Well so far we've only seen a negative result of the worlds merging. Maybe there will be some positives though? As long as Skull Knight is around, I see no reason why Guts would wield it. It might be something only Skull Knight can use due to him collecting the Behelits.

I meant after the Skull Knight dies or gets defeated...
But UR right...why not see some positive elements of the Astral World...Falconia should show some of these if they exist...some interesting creatures have appeared
[hr]

What, as a permanent replacement for the Dragon Slayer? If so, then no, for a couple of reasons. One is that the Behelit Sword (assuming, as xi0 says, that Guts can even use it) proved ineffectual against Femto, Guts' ultimate foe, whilst the Dragon Slayer is and was shown to be capable of harming godlike beings—God Hand included. Another is that Guts has been offered replacement weapons in the past, but rejected them in favour of "What [his] hand knows best." In short, the Behelit Sword is neither wanted nor needed (by Guts).

A third and less obvious reason is that the Dragon Slayer has become symbolic of man's triumph over nature—or rather, man's capacity to exceed his limitations (bear with me). It was once thought impossible for humans to fly or venture into outer space, but with modern technology, it became possible. Similarly, the apostles were thought to be imdomitable, the Eclipse unsurvivable, the Dragon Slayer unwieldable, but Guts prevailed in these endeavours and more besides. The Dragon Slayer is the very icon of that success; it represents Guts' resilience and unbreakable will as a warrior, and by extension, man's ability to overcome all obstacles, however impossible they might first appear.

That's my take on it, anyway. The Dragon Slayer has earned its "role" as Guts' primary weapon, thus I'm confident that when he stands opposite Griffith and moves to strike the fatal blow, it'll be the Dragon Slayer he holds in his hands.

I'm thinking somehow that it will be the last battle...Guts will fight God Hands or Femto and he will break the sword, but as a last resort an ally will give him the Resonance Blade and he will end things...I don't expect things to be dealt with in this flashy, shounen manner, think of these ideas as general guidelines of what could happen...it will be a more serious showdown, I'm sure of it
[hr]
So this is my theory of Gutts' blood which could be mixed with current Griffith. And it's a simple theory. Caska was having Gutts' baby right? Whether or not the rape corrupted the baby, it's still Gutts'. If current Griffith is a product of that, then he might retain quite an amount of human aspects, emotions etc, he could maybe even manifest the rebellious nature of Gutts, so the God Hands will have trouble dealing with him. His confrontation with Gutts will probably trigger some of these hidden emotions that are part of the Gutts legacy, so maybe the one ending the merging of the worlds will be the one whose appearance caused it in the first place, Griffith. He will be both the bringer of darkness, but the eraser of darkness as well, of course with lots of help from Gutts

[MissingLimb]

So this is my theory of Gutts' blood which could be mixed with current Griffith. And it's a simple theory. Caska was having Gutts' baby right? Whether or not the rape corrupted the baby, it's still Gutts'. If current Griffith is a product of that, then he might retain quite an amount of human aspects, emotions etc, he could maybe even manifest the rebellious nature of Gutts, so the God Hands will have trouble dealing with him. His confrontation with Gutts will probably trigger some of these hidden emotions that are part of the Gutts legacy, so maybe the one ending the merging of the worlds will be the one whose appearance caused it in the first place, Griffith. He will be both the bringer of darkness, but the eraser of darkness as well, of course with lots of help from Gutts

I really like this idea. That we will get to see another side of Griffith later on. Personally, I think post eclipse/ 2nd resurrection griffith has been a kind of stale character. The original Griffith was almost perfect, but he still had subtle flaws that made him human. Maybe Caska and Gattsu's influence will make these reappear. Miura hinted at this right after the reunion between Gattsu and new Griffith.

Also I think Gattsu will have a more profound victory than revenge. I mean revenge would feel pretty good for all of us, Gattsu included, but SK has said that it might not be the correct path. Whether SK meant that he didn't think Gattsu could succeed or that this would end up being an empty victory, I'm not sure. IMO Gattsu will feel really dissatisified after he kills Griffith. His whole life was centered around this solitary goal. What is he supposed to do afterwards? Fixing Caska will probably be more important and more fulfilling.

[102jayday]

Reading back on volumes 1-3 i noticed alot of references to caska.
One that comes to my head is when Guts is fighting the count, Puck starts crying and says just go ahead and die. Guts then has a suprized face then smiles and puck is like wtf he did a normal non evil smile for a second. This obivously bought back good memories of him and caska at the waterfall when she said go ahead and die. (i think it was then, but she did say it at one point)

Another Reference is Guts step mother shisu she reminded of the caska we know of today. The soilder dude also said shes been acting weird since her miscarriage. The way caska was draw to the moonlight child and how she does the ohhh stuff, shisu did that too, even though she was only on like 6 pages.


Oh reading back makes me lol on how bad guts childhood life was and how adulthood/teens is screwed too lolz

[Drakk707]

What if...when Guts party finally arrives at Elfhem they find it devastated by the Neo Band of the Hawks? It's not so hard to believe 'cause if the Elf King is as strong as Skull Knight says Griffith may see him as a menace an get rid of him (as he did with Flora) and since the Neo Band of the Hawks doesn't do things half-hearted they would probably destroy the whole Utopia too. I know is just a theory (more like a crack-theory ¬_¬) but it has been popping in my head recently and now I can't stop pondering about the matter, it would be a huuuge shock Don't ya agree?

[102jayday]

Hey all, is anyone up to help make me a cool berserk signature because berserk is epic. I was thinking something with guts, caska and griffith. Or a Love cig of guts and caska. I like vol 28 when guts and caska catch the moon child. =)

[Shinsatsu]

Hi Berserk fans :)
Listen to this song. It's like it was made for Berserk.
Hammerfall - Hallowed be my name (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw3jDfWR24A)

Read the lyrics :D

I cover the trail behind me, stay out of the light
There's something alive in the darkness
I can feel the power and it's might

For years I have walked in the shadows
Banned for my beliefs
Cause around me the walls are falling
Bridges burn, in flames without a spark

Cause I'm searching high and low
Through dark places I must go
I am the one you should not blame
Hollowed be my Name
My Name

There's no place for me in heaven, nor a place in hell
Sentenced to walk here forever
This will be my final place to dwell

I walk alone, no legions will follow my path
A stranger to my own shadow
But something's wrong I can feel it to the bone

When I stand on sea and shore
Storms will rage and ocean roar
I raise my hammer, take my aim
Hallowed be my Name
My Name

Vultures fly, the ravens cry
No stars are shining on the darkened sky
One allegiance, sun and moon
My eyes are red, my soul is turning into black

When I stand on sea and shore
Storms will rage and ocean roar
I raise my hammer, take my aim
Hallowed be my Name

You can lie and crush my heart
Steal my soul, tear me apart
Still it's something you can not claim
Hallowed be my Name
My Name

[thefreak]

The gap between the chapters is so mad..... I am forgetting what happened till now...
For gods sake Miura, wwhat are you up to?

[llamapie]

The gap between the chapters is so mad..... I am forgetting what happened till now...
For gods sake Miura, wwhat are you up to?

:P Reread the whole thing on occasion.

This is normal. The manga is 20 years old and only on chapter 315. Lets do the math shall we.

0.76 chapters per month.

15.75 chapters a year (last few years have been 8-10 at most)

This aint no shonen. It is much like a fine wine. It takes time to get the best.

[Shinsatsu]

I agree. Just look at the art.It's extremely well done and needs a huge amount of time to complete, let alone coming up with new events and imagining the characters stances and facial expressions.
It took me literally 2 hours to copy 1 pannel and the results were not as good as the original. This guy is a goddamn genious... I don't mind waiting for the chapters when they're top quality like Berserk.

[roxas_strife2]

Am I the only one who thinks Guts looks like a medieval Batman when he has control and is using the Berserk armor? I laugh every time I see it. xD

[xAznSinnage]

IN MEDIEVAL EUROPE, GATTS EATS BATMAN.

[Zehahaha]

I just reached Vol 14, is there any info yet about the identity of the Skull Knight, and also who the God Hans really are ?

[Asahina]

The manga is 20 years old and only on chapter 315. Lets do the math shall we.

0.76 chapters per month.

15.75 chapters a year (last few years have been 8-10 at most)

This aint no shonen. It is much like a fine wine. It takes time to get the best.But he's 44 years old.
He won't last forever. He has an expiration date. Let's hope 6 years from now that their is a little more progress and an ending.

[llamapie]

But he's 44 years old.
He won't last forever. He has an expiration date. Let's hope 6 years from now that their is a little more progress and an ending.

The japanese, if I'm not mistaken have the largest life expectancy in the world -- so this manga can easily go another 20 years or so. :P I wouldn't mind growing old with it myself.

EDIT::::

List of life expectancies by country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy). As you can see Japan is the top in this category.

[102jayday]

The japanese, if I'm not mistaken have the largest life expectancy in the world -- so this manga can easily go another 20 years or so. :P I wouldn't mind growing old with it myself.

Oda nobunagwa in onimusha says a man's life is 50 years...lol considering that was 17th century though..

Well as long as heaven has internet access to earth and i can check on the berserk releases i'll be happy.

[kanamechidori]

Anyone think Berserk will be affected by the ban?

[ameya730]

Anyone think Berserk will be affected by the ban?

what ban??

[Roflkopt3r]

what ban??

I think there's some kind of law under voting in Japanese parliament for stricter rules in culture/literature/manga to ban of "harmful" content.
I'm not quite sure about it, but it might mainly aim about manga displaying incest and those which are close to child pornography.

However, in the curret state Berserk would hardly be in danger of beeing banned or censored in any country. The latest arc seemed rather fantasy mainstream and there hasn't been any cruel torture, rape or other crimes for a while. I really don't see Berserk beeing endangered by this, not even the earlier chapters.

[kanamechidori]

All crime can get a series banned.

Not just lolicon stuff.

It says anything that's "harmful to the development of a minor" as determined by a group of shrieking harpies from the tokyo pta.

They called Cutey Honey, Hareuchi Gakuen and all of Go Nagais stuff harmful blahblahblah.

If that got all of go nagais earlier works the AO treatment we probably wouldn't have getter robo because go would have never been a hit.

In the series Griffiths prostituted himself, caska was raped, ditto with guts.

If that happened while the ban was in effect and the wrong of bitc....biddy saw it it could get the AO ban.

This is more than just lolicon bashing, this is the censoring of everything that makes anime anime...if the fights too bloody? ban. If there's sex? Ban. If there's crime? Ban.

This is as bad as the comic books code from american comics.

....interestingly enough Ishihara's law doesn't affect the novels where Ishihara writes about graphic rape...apparently the only mediums dangerous to the development of youth are the ones that Ishihara himself doesn't have his tentacles in.

[102jayday]

We wouldn't have this problem with berserk if miura never had so many god damn breaks.... This screws up anything epic happening in berserk. It's going to turn berserk into 4kids kind of stories!!
It's not fair damnit! It's not f^$ing fair!

[kanamechidori]

102jayday:

Yay yo ya yo

Keep on dreamin! (scene of Guts banging a succubus)

..../couldn't resist.

[102jayday]

What am i dreaming about?

Guts banging slan.. lol well she tried to rape him.

[Spartacus]

If you think about it, Guts has three women that digs him.
Maybe he'll have 3 wives..? Would be cool it it went loli for that little witch.

[llamapie]

We wouldn't have this problem with berserk if miura never had so many god damn breaks.... This screws up anything epic happening in berserk. It's going to turn berserk into 4kids kind of stories!!
It's not fair damnit! It's not f^$ing fair!

First of all Berserk is released in an adult magazine, so right there there should be a stop to prevent kids from seeing it to some degree.

I don't see Miura changing anything. Even when he had rape scenes they were all, sickly enough, important to the story and development of characters.
[hr]

If you think about it, Guts has three women that digs him.
Maybe he'll have 3 wives..? Would be cool it it went loli for that little witch.

lol Thats a little bit creepy. Guts' heart is all Caska's and no one else's so I don't see this happening. Anyways that affection from Shrieke and Farnese is to just help develop their characters by adding a bit of romantic conundrum to the story. Its not going to go anywhere.

[102jayday]

There is nothing to change gut's feelings of caska, unless its rage against griffith. Caska saved guts humanity.

[CBlitz]

Berserk is targeted at adults so its not affected by the bill. Then again everyone is blowing this bill way outta proportion, it'll only affect borderline titles like To-Love-Ru for example. And even then, TLR can just switch over to a seinen magazine and it'll be fine

[102jayday]

That's a relief, if it just changes it viewers and doesn't kick the manga/anime away then it's good.

btw CBlitz what character and manga is your avatar?

[Fê - forever alone]

Berserk won't be banned. That law affects only the anime/manga that are not made for +18 and have explicit sensuality or sexual insinuations and gratuitous violence.

But I'm concerned with the animation. Anime always get censored, and I think maybe Berserk remake would get censored too.

[Shinsatsu]

Hehahah ... What a sad plan.
I think that if they wanted to protect their minors, they would've done it in the first place. Banning adult/violence oriented works now won't help them because there are always ways to get your hands on adult content magazines... especially in japan... Also, the law should concern the future mangas, the ones that are just starting not the ones that have a large fanbase.

First, making the online scans illegal and now censoring the scenes that make manga manga. :S I don't understand these people... If you are against it don't watch/read it and you can always raise your kids the way you want :)

Adult magazines wont be affected. It's just that it will become really sad to watch/read the fighting scenes in the shounen series.

[llamapie]

Hehahah ... What a sad plan.
I think that if they wanted to protect their minors, they would've done it in the first place. Banning adult/violence oriented works now won't help them because there are always ways to get your hands on adult content magazines... especially in japan... Also, the law should concern the future mangas, the ones that are just starting not the ones that have a large fanbase.

First, making the online scans illegal and now censoring the scenes that make manga manga. :S I don't understand these people... If you are against it don't watch/read it and you can always raise your kids the way you want :)

Adult magazines wont be affected. It's just that it will become really sad to watch/read the fighting scenes in the shounen series.

Not living in Japan for even a nano second of my life, I can't attempt to truly understand their culture. What I do know is that generally they are a deeply traditional culture so it would lead you to conclude things that may seem fine in western countries to be quite the opposite there.

I understand banning anything that is bad. Lolicon for expample, imo, is still child pornography.

TBH I think this whole thing is being blown a bit out of proportion. In no way should this new law affect any manga that is here on MH.

[Shinsatsu]

Not living in Japan for even a nano second of my life, I can't attempt to truly understand their culture. What I do know is that generally they are a deeply traditional culture so it would lead you to conclude things that may seem fine in western countries to be quite the opposite there.

I understand banning anything that is bad. Lolicon for expample, imo, is still child pornography.

TBH I think this whole thing is being blown a bit out of proportion. In no way should this new law affect any manga that is here on MH.

I live in an Morocco. No matter how traditional Japan is, they can't be as conservative as an islamic country.
Adult content is adult content. Any human being with brains will make his own choice to or to not watch/read that type of manga/anime.
I am not defending the "weird" stuff like child pornography and incest. I just want them to leave the holy mangas as Berserk and Gantz alone :)

I think that the type of manga they are trying to ban already made an impact on their culture... It's gonna be a hard battle .

[llamapie]

I live in an Morocco. No matter how traditional Japan is, they can't be as conservative as an islamic country.
Adult content is adult content. Any human being with brains will make his own choice to or to not watch/read that type of manga/anime.
I am not defending the "weird" stuff like child pornography and incest. I just want them to leave the holy mangas as Berserk and Gantz alone :)

I think that the type of manga they are trying to ban already made an impact on their culture... It's gonna be a hard battle .

I don't see it affecting Berserk or Gantz, considering they're marketed in adult magazines. And really they don't tread the line of "maybe legal" so I don't see how this is going to be an issue.