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kadoman
April 20, 2007, 06:32 AM
Well, we have the latest chapter. Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11764)!!

So, GK's prediction of Juugo being a scared little boy, rather than a monster, turns out to be true - or so it seems.

And Sasuke and Suigetsu show their stuff while Karin turns out be really useful (not) and blushes a lot.

What will happen next? One thing is for certain. Kishimoto is going out of his way to show us that Sasuke is extremely strong right now. Do not get on his bad side! :amuse

You've read and made up your minds? Now predict away. :D

HikaruYami
April 20, 2007, 06:38 AM
... I predict for the Akatsuki to have a discussion some point during the next chapter (unlikely), since I think Sasuke has all his members now (not sure, he may not have specified a number, so there may be more)

>> first prediction for once, I feel special.

Edit: I meant a discussion about Sasuke, since it's about time. who cares about capturing the bijuus when you're up against one of the first three main characters three brand new, important-looking characters?

manga_freaky
April 20, 2007, 07:05 AM
You think there would be more members? Wow i haven't thought about that. Talk about another sort of Akatsuki, huh? But i believe that Sasuke will talk about his plan and the end of Jiraya speech. Please no more training. Btw those snake were a bit different from oro's, well no wonder after dimension take over.

sr_
April 20, 2007, 08:00 AM
The "Next chapter" part reads "Itachi's whereabouts", but as with a lot of the previews... that might not happen :D

Or maybe it reads - To "Itachi's place".

Been a little too much Sasuke recently. Could need some Akatsuki!

Oreo42
April 20, 2007, 08:53 AM
Well I was noticing the Itachi part as well. However I think that will find out Itachi's whereabouts from Jirayia.

As to the size of Saskue's troop it's only 4. He mentioned it when they were going to get Karin while he and water boy were walking across the ocean..

I expect a lot of Konoha, and a lot of talking at that next chapter.

Raimaru
April 20, 2007, 09:15 AM
... I predict for the Akatsuki to have a discussion some point during the next chapter (unlikely), since I think Sasuke has all his members now (not sure, he may not have specified a number, so there may be more)

>> first prediction for once, I feel special.

Edit: I meant a discussion about Sasuke, since it's about time. who cares about capturing the bijuus when you're up against one of the first three main characters three brand new, important-looking characters?

I doubt Akatsuki feel threatened by Sasuke's team so far. They can't imagine a team of 4 kids (?) to be superior to themselves.


You think there would be more members? Wow i haven't thought about that. Talk about another sort of Akatsuki, huh? But i believe that Sasuke will talk about his plan and the end of Jiraya speech. Please no more training. Btw those snake were a bit different from oro's, well no wonder after dimension take over.

Oreo42 stated it clearly, Sasuke's plan needs 4 guys, but I don't remember the page and the chapter of that line.

I think these 2 snake picture had a very important symbolism inside. It has somethink like a
"You two fight, act or even breathe if I want you to. You escaped the previous snake (Orochimaru) but I'm the newer, bigger snake and you are 100% under my control."
I think this subconsicious message made Suigetsu and Juuga shiver more than Sasuke's mere speech.


The "Next chapter" part reads "Itachi's whereabouts", but as with a lot of the previews... that might not happen :D

Or maybe it reads - To "Itachi's place".

Been a little too much Sasuke recently. Could need some Akatsuki!

I hope now, after gathering his subordinates, Sasuke is willing to explain his plan against Itachi. I think that matches with the line "Itachi's whereabouts" somehow.

Sephy7KillerMech
April 20, 2007, 09:30 AM
I think that the next chapter will be split between Konoha and Sasuke. I think the story is going to follow sasuke more though. I still can't see how they'll get Naruto to meet up with Sasuke.... unless Itachi is going for Naruto again. I sure hope that's the case.

Raimaru
April 20, 2007, 09:47 AM
I think that the next chapter will be split between Konoha and Sasuke. I think the story is going to follow sasuke more though. I still can't see how they'll get Naruto to meet up with Sasuke.... unless Itachi is going for Naruto again. I sure hope that's the case.
There is a quite big possibility for this to happen. But then i want Kishimoto to rename the whole manga into "Sasuke". ;(

richtoyz
April 20, 2007, 09:54 AM
we will b on sasuke for some time it seems sasuke will help juugo control his cs better i think so that he will b more usefull and they probably will b looking for itachi so alot to look forward to

mageofdeath
April 20, 2007, 10:09 AM
I predict another long and akward chapter that leaves us back to where we left off the previous week, you know like suigetsu's sense of direction...
in all seriousness, I honestly don't see team sasuke heading out right for Itachi yet, that would be like running head first into a house on fire, they've gotta make a plan and junk, if not Itachi will slaughter them, so next chapter = Itachi finding out about sasuke/ naruto jumping head first into the house on fire...

juUnior
April 20, 2007, 10:19 AM
I think that next chapter will show a little of Konoha and what happens to Naruto, and than it will turn again to Saske and his team, maybe a little talk about and with Juugo, and probably it will end with what was in 351 chapter preview, about Itachi's whereabouts xD

Ninja
April 20, 2007, 10:45 AM
i think next chapter, sasuke will tell us his true intension of sitting up this squad and what everyone will be doing etc

richtoyz
April 20, 2007, 10:54 AM
i get the feeling that sasuke already has his plan, he's just executing it now

Black/Light
April 20, 2007, 11:11 AM
Hummm. . . I think that Sas will tell them why he got all of them together and his plan on finding Itachi's whereabouts.

Maybe alil apart with Itachi learning about Sas in a talk with someone.

And some Naruto talk that shows what Naruto plans to do in order to get Sas back. (Sas seems like a lost cause now. . . Im starting to think that the manga will probly end with Sas doing something soo bad that Naruto will actually fight to kill him (un-like their post time skip fight where even after Sas blasted a whole in Naruto's chest he still didn't try to . . . repay him))


. . . Interesting chap thou. . . but I still want this to be over so that we can get back to Naruto and even see some of the other KN. I want to see their reactions to this and what Naruto plans to do now. We all know Sas is bad a$$, no need to show that he could kill either one of his new team mates (to which no one really knows just how strong they are. . . .atleast compared to the Konoha ninja or Akatsuki).

Darrenj
April 20, 2007, 11:24 AM
Believe we will get some insight into what itachi is doing, I mean for the last 3 years he must of being doing something

Uchiha Slayer
April 20, 2007, 11:37 AM
Sasuke has this thing all planned out, He will gather four man team and they will talk....The main discussion will about Itachi....Kishimoto is picking up the pace very fast...I cant see an Itachi and Sasuke showdown no time soon, but it will happen, give it 10 chapters...They will have to go back to Naruto and the gang.

I know one thing Naruto better train with all the damn jounins in konoha, because Sasuke in looking like a freak of nature. Snakes + CurseSeal + Sharingan + Uchiha blood= Sasuke, what the hell. He got Orchimaru dream body!

lordHokage
April 20, 2007, 12:02 PM
Sasuke has this thing all planned out, He will gather four man team and they will talk....The main discussion will about Itachi....Kishimoto is picking up the pace very fast...I cant see an Itachi and Sasuke showdown no time soon, but it will happen, give it 10 chapters...They will have to go back to Naruto and the gang.

I know one thing Naruto better train with all the damn jounins in konoha, because Sasuke in looking like a freak of nature. Snakes + CurseSeal + Sharingan + Uchiha blood= Sasuke, what the hell. He got Orchimaru dream body!


I concur all the way. :eyeroll

Tha Uchiha
April 20, 2007, 12:23 PM
Oreo42 stated it clearly, Sasuke's plan needs 4 guys, but I don't remember the page and the chapter of that line.

Chapter 348 Page 2 Who will join Sasuke Next?
Sui: Mind if I ask you something?
Sasuke: Go for it.
Sui: Why are rounding people up?
Sasuke: I've got a certain plan to carry out, one that can be accomplished more efficiantly with a full platoon.

So yeah he needs four people, the Sasuke Four XD

Anyways, I think the information about Itachi is going to be from Jaraiya. We finally see him so he's got to have a lot of information about Akatsuki. So as for a prediction a resolution between Sasuke and Juugo and the forming of Team Sasuke, and Jaraiya spilling the beans on Akatsuki and Itachi and Sasuke.

godofthesunn
April 20, 2007, 02:01 PM
Itachi's whereabouts huh. i mean is it that hard to figure out. they are literally going to find where he is. Maybe not go after him because thats dumb. but at least find him and keep a eye on him..

I hate to see saueke using so many orochimaru techniques. Cant he get his own animal connection. like genma.. now i wouldn't mind seeing sauske using monkeys. that would be nice.

Regardless next week chapter will prove interesting. Not as interesting as when Kazaku got a chidori through the heart but interesting enough that uchiha fans around the world will rejoice.

hmalik1003
April 20, 2007, 03:11 PM
me personally, i think the snake adds to the theme of the show. the new generation will overcome the last and it also goes with one the the japanese versions of jenken. frog, snake, slug. snake beats frog. frog beats slug, and slug(i dont know how) beats snake. Also wut wood u expect. he's been training with orochimaru for the past 3 yrs and learned all of his techniques. Orochimaru was trying to get the perfect body with all his techniques. Also something i noticed was the reference to kimimaru. if sasuke is as strong as kimimaru in his ability to control the cursed seal then lee(pre post skip) can be a challenge to him so imagine lee now.

Back on topic.....I think that sasuke will begin to talk about his plans in the next chapter and it will go back to konoha. The way the manga is going. it seems that team sasuke is a big secret. There overall motives. there abilities. and that prolly wont change n e time soon.
Then in konoha, jaraiya and tsunade will tell them abt sasuke and his new team(atleast up until karin becuase thats when suigetsu told the prisoners to spread the news) then the chapter will end with team sasuke leaving to do wut they have to do(it will prolly be the end of the sasuke arc 4 a while) and tsunade will train sakura, while jaraiya will train naruto. i predict that somehow sakura will learn some genjutsu(maybe kiba's sensai will teach her)
Then in two chapters itachi will talk abt sasuke and might talk abt how a confrontation is near.

bennibb
April 20, 2007, 04:34 PM
Next i think is gonna ba simular to the Karin chapter. Like then... Sasuke needs to convince the "kind" Juugo to come with him. I hope for some Aka and Konoha moves now or soon. We have seen nothing from Aka since they loost 2 members. And thats strange... Should come something soon. But i guess Sasukes 4 man cell is to be completed first. And his plan (OFC kill Itachi.... but how to do it or get closer to do it) to some extend get out in the open.

kadoman
April 20, 2007, 05:07 PM
Somebody predicted Sasuke would take his team back to Konoha and at first I thought that was far fetched but now I'm thinking it could happen. Ok, so it's not likely to, but there's a chance.

Itachi still wants Naruto. Naruto is in Konoha. Itachi's whereabouts will be wherever Naruto is which is in Konoha. Sasuke wants Itachi (oh, god I love writing that :amuse) If Itachi is in Konoha, Sasuke will go to Konoha with his band of misfits.

There, Juugo will meet Naruto and, after one speech about the importance of bonds, will be instantly Narutofied. He'll be cured and be a nice boy.

Then, there just might be a fight between Naruto and Sasuke (that will be interrupted before us knowing who would have won) by Itachi.

Then Itachi will refuse to fight Sasuke on the grounds that he is only interested in Naruto and he will make an attempt to capture Naruto. Sasuke will get pissed at being ignored again and that's how the fight between him and Itachi will start.

Well, it made sense as I was thinking it. :amuse

Dragonrider99
April 20, 2007, 05:34 PM
Okay, I think that "Itachi's Whereabouts" means that Sasuke will find Itachi and fight him. Also, Suigetsu will fight Kisame.

lordHokage
April 20, 2007, 06:08 PM
Somebody predicted Sasuke would take his team back to Konoha and at first I thought that was far fetched but now I'm thinking it could happen. Ok, so it's not likely to, but there's a chance.

Itachi still wants Naruto. Naruto is in Konoha. Itachi's whereabouts will be wherever Naruto is which is in Konoha. Sasuke wants Itachi (oh, god I love writing that :amuse) If Itachi is in Konoha, Sasuke will go to Konoha with his band of misfits.

There, Juugo will meet Naruto and, after one speech about the importance of bonds, will be instantly Narutofied. He'll be cured and be a nice boy.

Then, there just might be a fight between Naruto and Sasuke (that will be interrupted before us knowing who would have won) by Itachi.

Then Itachi will refuse to fight Sasuke on the grounds that he is only interested in Naruto and he will make an attempt to capture Naruto. Sasuke will get pissed at being ignored again and that's how the fight between him and Itachi will start.

Well, it made sense as I was thinking it. :amuse

You could be right but who knows what the tea leaves are foretelling these days. :eyeroll

arslan
April 20, 2007, 06:24 PM
well i think we might actually see what itachi is doing at the moment and sasuke might reveal his plan, or part of his plan to his team mates. i have no idea whether we will see naruto or not.

Sephy7KillerMech
April 20, 2007, 07:34 PM
Hmm.. well if Slug beats Snake then Sakura should be able to beat Sasuke. It's a shame that Cursed Seals and Kyuubis are going to break the equation.

Really, what does Sakura have that would allow her to beat Sasuke in the future? I just can't see it happening unless she learns something really special. I know she's good against Genjutsu and Naruto isn't and Sasuke uses alot of that but still... I can only see Sakura being helpful if it's Slug and Toad beats Snake. Snake and Toad beats Slug.

On second though. Sasuke does nullify Kyuubi. I suppose that means that Kyuubi wouldn't be there to break the equation. Then all we have is this all powerful cursed seal in the way. I'm hoping Kishimoto didn't write himself into a corner. le sigh.

I'm honestly hoping that the whole story shifts back to naruto and we hear nothing of Sasuke for 10 more chapters. Itachi will come after Naruto and there will be a HUGE battle where Naruto will lose control again and nobody will be there to stop him but Itachi will go inside his head and stop Kyuubi, then right when Naruto is about to be drug off by Itachi *shink*(that's a sound) Sasuke appears and almost cuts Itachi's hand off. Naruto gets all happy "Sasuke came to save me!" Sasuke is all emo "I didn't come to save you, I came to kill Itachi"

Anyway, there is my long winded prediction.

theshizzle
April 20, 2007, 09:00 PM
I hope Karin and Sakura fight soon

bighawke5
April 20, 2007, 09:18 PM
i think the next chapter would be sasuke telling his team wats next and his plan that he hasnt explained to them yet but since they are all gathered u can expect sasuke telling them bout it now and telling them why he picked them and what specifically they're each gonna do to make the plan successful.
i think a part of the manga will come back to konoha though...i dont really see sakura training but since i do see naruto training again i'm sure she would want to keep up or at least raise her skills a bit if she wants to be useful when with him and kakashi. i see naruto about to go finish the F rasenshuriken training and kakshi and yamato basically watching over him...i do see jiraiya telling something important to naruto thought now that he's back...either telling something improtant to naruto thats gonna help him get better or teaching him something new but i do see him doing something since he's back.

ninetailfox84
April 20, 2007, 09:27 PM
Well, i guess sasuke mini arc is about to end, and i predict the scene will go back to naruto and konoha next week! :p

body flicker
April 20, 2007, 09:34 PM
351 was a awsome chapter...suigetsu was great in this one i really liked the fight seen and the way sasuke stoped that fight was crazy and that murderous intent definetly didnt come from orochimaru that was all sharigan baby !!

but for prediction will see sasuke trying to get jugo to come with him and when he finally says yes he'll start to explain his plans and then will find out about naruto and them

and for a cliffhanger will see some akatsuki ^^

MNL1989
April 21, 2007, 10:53 AM
the next chapter is gonna be about Sasuke talking Juugo into joining him and then nothing else no plans of his nothing just a cliffhanger and we will get an update on Akatsuki

KuraiOfAnagura
April 21, 2007, 12:09 PM
i agree. cliffhanger for sure.
but it has also its good points.
some new akatsuki stuff *yeah*

shachi
April 21, 2007, 12:26 PM
Juugo is such a huge question mark, I don't understand what his role in the new team will be. Like Naruto, he is kind of unpredictable, but he is an even bigger chicken than Shikamaru was.

In the next chapter, something will have to be done to make Juugo battle-ready. Maybe Kabuto, or even Tsunade, are going to figure into regulating Juugo's rage. It is also possible Juugo will refuse (for now) Sasuke's invitation, leaving the door open for someone like Kabuto or another one of Orochimaru's experiments.

If Juugo does accept the invitation, I think Sasuke will use some kind of seal to suppress the Curse until the team needs Juugo to flip out and kill.

Finally, we had better see an akatsuki update. No doubt this team has been assembled to track down Itachi (Karin), neutralize Kisame (Suigetsu), and isolate Itachi.

Now that I think about it, Suigetsu and Juugo may share the responsibility of taking care of Kisame, which is why Sasuke reacted so threateningly when they fought. If they can't co-exist, then they are worthless to Sasuke.

borhan
April 21, 2007, 12:33 PM
its time 4 naruto's whereabout.

leo81202
April 21, 2007, 03:07 PM
I think its going to go back to naruto and Akatsuki for bit then back to sasuke and Co. I'd say about 10-12 chapters from now is when stuff is going to come together. But like everyone has been saying we will probably learn what sasuke's plan is.

kadoman
April 21, 2007, 03:24 PM
Juugo is such a huge question mark, I don't understand what his role in the new team will be. Like Naruto, he is kind of unpredictable, but he is an even bigger chicken than Shikamaru was.

Shikamaru wasn't chicken; he was lazy and couldn't be bothered; that is why he avoided his responbilities - that is, until he lost Sasuke.


It is also possible Juugo will refuse (for now) Sasuke's invitation, leaving the door open for someone like Kabuto or another one of Orochimaru's experiments.

I like this idea of Juugo refusing! I really hope Kishi goes that way. It would just be so much more interesting to see how Sasuke goes about trying to succeed. It would be a bit boring to have everything come so easily to Sasuke - Suigetsu, Karin - both got on board all too easily. I want to see what methods Sasuke might employ trying persuade Juugo to join them.


If Juugo does accept the invitation, I think Sasuke will use some kind of seal to suppress the Curse until the team needs Juugo to flip out and kill.

Excellent point. I don't think anyone has brought that up yet - in the event that Juugo accepts the invitation, how exactly is Sasuke planning on controlling him? Well observed.


Finally, we had better see an akatsuki update. No doubt this team has been assembled to track down Itachi (Karin), neutralize Kisame (Suigetsu), and isolate Itachi.
Now that I think about it, Suigetsu and Juugo may share the responsibility of taking care of Kisame, which is why Sasuke reacted so threateningly when they fought. If they can't co-exist, then they are worthless to Sasuke.

I agree. I think we're destined to see a Kisame v Suigetsu with possibility of Juugo helping (though it could get tricky strategically), and it's obvious that Karin will use her powers to locate Itachi. Great post there! I enjoyed reading; it gave me food for thought. :amuse

j9virtue
April 21, 2007, 10:36 PM
Sasuke putting a seal on juugo? Well if that happens meaning sasuke even knows sealing techniques then wtf kishi... what about naruto- as if he doesn't deserve to be that cool. But really for whatever reason i can see juugo going along with sasuke... for the simple fact that sasuke....is sasuke and things need to go his way for the story to flow and also why not listen to sasuke he supposedly took down oro (for the moment he is in control of his body and not oro). I mean come on... its not like juugo is going to lock himself back in, there's no reason to stay there, he's really got nothing else to do.

ANBU4U
April 21, 2007, 10:58 PM
Sasuke putting a seal on juugo? Well if that happens meaning sasuke even knows sealing techniques then wtf kishi... what about naruto- as if he doesn't deserve to be that cool. But really for whatever reason i can see juugo going along with sasuke... for the simple fact that sasuke....is sasuke and things need to go his way for the story to flow and also why not listen to sasuke he supposedly took down oro (for the moment he is in control of his body and not oro). I mean come on... its not like juugo is going to lock himself back in, there's no reason to stay there, he's really got nothing else to do.

I actually do imagine Sauske using some sort of seal to keep Juugo's Cursed state in check. Probably a dirivitave of the one Kakashi used on him. Improved of course, just cuz...u know kishis gonna make it better. We may even find out that sauskes tampered with the seal he has on his neck, though thats less likely.

Naruto-tards would be soooo pissed.

lilred07
April 22, 2007, 12:02 AM
I agree. Karin said that Juugo wants to be a good person but that he can't control his urge to kill. If Sauske uses the seal that Kakashi used on him, Juugo's will should be able to control the curse. After all, Sauske should have been able to control the curse seal but since he wanted more power he kept tapping into it.

My prediction for the next chapter pretty much goes with everyone else. Sauske persuades Juugo to come with them, talks about his plan. I want to see some Naruto though. Sauske gets all the love and Naruto gets nothing! I also want to see the other ninjas. I would love to see how the other teams have progressed during the time skip. The bonds that Kishimoto says people needs should be shown! Naruto has a bond to each of them, some of them stronger then others. It's about time we see them.

shamoo
April 22, 2007, 12:15 AM
here's my prediction for the sasuke quad.

sasuke is headed after itachi. itachi is always with his akatsuki partner (forgetting the name, guy with chakra eating sword)... sasuke somehow feels that suigetsu will be able to counter any interference from that guy.. both have swords of the seven swordsmen, both are hidden mist.. makes perfect sense to use suigetsu for this purpose.

sasuke has no clue where itachi is. that's where karin comes in. clearly, her ability is being able to sift through a crowd and find people (at least part of her ability). if anyone will be able to bring him to itachi or find itachi, it's her.

now as for juugo.. that's more of a mystery, but my thought is that sasuke realizes that his big trump card is the cursed seal. it makes sense that juugo, the originator of cs, must have perhaps even a cs level 3 or some enhancements.. sasuke plans on either learning with juugo, training with juugo.. juugo's role with have something to do with cs. sasuke plans to trade that with telling him that he will keep juugo safe and keep others safe from juugo since he can put the beat down on him without lifting a finger.

wooticus
April 22, 2007, 04:50 AM
Sasuke putting a seal on juugo? Well if that happens meaning sasuke even knows sealing techniques then wtf kishi... what about naruto- as if he doesn't deserve to be that cool. But really for whatever reason i can see juugo going along with sasuke... for the simple fact that sasuke....is sasuke and things need to go his way for the story to flow and also why not listen to sasuke he supposedly took down oro (for the moment he is in control of his body and not oro). I mean come on... its not like juugo is going to lock himself back in, there's no reason to stay there, he's really got nothing else to do.


Well it seems like Sasuke is now capable of using Orochimarus skills and i bet that orochi has some very nice sealing techniques ;-) at least he even sealed narutos nine tails seal, so he must be capable of sealing the cursed seal.

but as you all i have no clue what juugos real purpose is..
i don't think that there is a cs3... and if it exists it must be something like 4 tails, a state which even sasuke can't control anymore..

and to that suigetsu thing.. i don't think that itachi wants kisame to interfere in one of his fights... for that he is too overconfident of his own skills.. and if you remember, he let sasuke live for the purpose of sasuke growing stronger and making an equal opponent for him some time..
when itachi gets what he wanted, would he really get helped by kisame?
and at least i'm still confident that kisame gets killed by rock lee (two fights gai vs kisame yet, the whole youth takes over as leading generation thing..)

Mendes
April 22, 2007, 07:03 AM
now as for juugo.. that's more of a mystery, but my thought is that sasuke realizes that his big trump card is the cursed seal. it makes sense that juugo, the originator of cs, must have perhaps even a cs level 3 or some enhancements.. sasuke plans on either learning with juugo, training with juugo.. juugo's role with have something to do with cs. sasuke plans to trade that with telling him that he will keep juugo safe and keep others safe from juugo since he can put the beat down on him without lifting a finger.

I dont think sasuke is recruiting anyone in his squad to improve his own power. I think for sasuke, everyone in his squad is disposable. I think this coz he just asked for suigetsu to come along with him, he didnt make him come by force. Same with karin, when she said she wouldnt come with them when suigetsu was in the same room, sasuke was ready to give up easily on her and go search for someone else.
In the end, juugo must be the same. Sasuke only wants him to improve his squad overall power with strong (suigetsu and juugo)and useful (karin)people. At least thats what i think :P

aziboxe
April 22, 2007, 08:38 AM
Chapter 348 Page 2 Who will join Sasuke Next?
Sui: Mind if I ask you something?
Sasuke: Go for it.
Sui: Why are rounding people up?
Sasuke: I've got a certain plan to carry out, one that can be accomplished more efficiantly with a full platoon.

So yeah he needs four people, the Sasuke Four XD

Anyways, I think the information about Itachi is going to be from Jaraiya. We finally see him so he's got to have a lot of information about Akatsuki. So as for a prediction a resolution between Sasuke and Juugo and the forming of Team Sasuke, and Jaraiya spilling the beans on Akatsuki and Itachi and Sasuke.

I agree w/that, and also, in addition to jiraiya speakingon the akatsuki stuff, naruto might just end up deciding to go there to. However. jiraiya will say that naruto needs to train up =\.

shamoo
April 22, 2007, 02:24 PM
well just because everyone in sasuke's quad is disposable, doesn't mean that they can't have an important role. sasuke is da man, he can do it by himself... BUT, if they can help his chances even 1%, then sasuke will take it..

anyway, whatever role juugo has, i think it has to be involved in taking the cs to the next level.

ANBU4U
April 22, 2007, 04:22 PM
well just because everyone in sasuke's quad is disposable, doesn't mean that they can't have an important role. sasuke is da man, he can do it by himself... BUT, if they can help his chances even 1%, then sasuke will take it..

anyway, whatever role juugo has, i think it has to be involved in taking the cs to the next level.

I enjoy Sauske's character, I really do. But even I think giving him another CS level...at least at this point, is too much.

He'll get the MS(kakashi version) eventually. That'll be enough.

bighawke5
April 22, 2007, 07:17 PM
I enjoy Sauske's character, I really do. But even I think giving him another CS level...at least at this point, is too much.

He'll get the MS(kakashi version) eventually. That'll be enough.

my take on this whole sharingan thing is that sasuke will still have the same mastered three tomoe sharingan lv and well never get the kakashi style sharingan...its just one of those other mysteries kishi well lay out for us and we will keep arguin on...but sasuke dont need magenkyou to fight itachi on par....only if itachi uses MS based moves only when they fight and i dont think thats what well happen...i'm thinking they'll fight with their mastered three tomoe sharingan. the thing is that the MS makes u go blind in the long run....and how long as itachi been using it....im thinking that since kishi likes his mysteries so much he'll prob make itachi a lil blind when he faces sasuke so that even if sasuke defeats him its not itachi at his ffullest....lol its gonna make ppl go crazy. thing is itachi realized how damaging the MS was from the get go since he had it and his vision is deteriorating...kakashi even asked him how bad his eyes had gotten....i'm pretty sure that sentence wasnt for .....shits and giggles.

itachi well hav bad eyes when he faces sasuke and some ppl will go mad when others relate it to the handicaps fight that sasuke had b4 (oro) lol anyhow im not denying how strong sasuke is but to me...if he has all this vicious abilities and the uchiha blood and can even use genjutsus and other weird illusions as powerful as he's been using with these eyes he has now i dont think that he;ll get the MS since the time already came and he shouldve had better usage with the sharingan then kakashi and obtained it already.

IMO he's strong enough with his sharingan now kishi wont make him have the MS upgrade since he would have to kill a close one or the possibility of obtaining the MS like kakashi (but that would mean kishi explaining the mystery of how kakashi got is also since it would be the other way of getting it) to me kakashi getting the MS was a plot device or mystery like many mysteries in the naruto universe that kishi doesnt explain and that we fans well always argue over

But who knows sasuke could get MS (PLOT DEVICE) since it seems kishi is prone on making him look comparable to his bro who is a semi GOD already lmao

ANBU4U
April 22, 2007, 08:02 PM
my take on this whole sharingan thing is that sasuke will still have the same mastered three tomoe sharingan lv and well never get the kakashi style sharingan...its just one of those other mysteries kishi well lay out for us and we will keep arguin on...but sasuke dont need magenkyou to fight itachi on par....only if itachi uses MS based moves only when they fight and i dont think thats what well happen...i'm thinking they'll fight with their mastered three tomoe sharingan. the thing is that the MS makes u go blind in the long run....and how long as itachi been using it....im thinking that since kishi likes his mysteries so much he'll prob make itachi a lil blind when he faces sasuke so that even if sasuke defeats him its not itachi at his ffullest....lol its gonna make ppl go crazy. thing is itachi realized how damaging the MS was from the get go since he had it and his vision is deteriorating...kakashi even asked him how bad his eyes had gotten....i'm pretty sure that sentence wasnt for .....shits and giggles.

itachi well hav bad eyes when he faces sasuke and some ppl will go mad when others relate it to the handicaps fight that sasuke had b4 (oro) lol anyhow im not denying how strong sasuke is but to me...if he has all this vicious abilities and the uchiha blood and can even use genjutsus and other weird illusions as powerful as he's been using with these eyes he has now i dont think that he;ll get the MS since the time already came and he shouldve had better usage with the sharingan then kakashi and obtained it already.

IMO he's strong enough with his sharingan now kishi wont make him have the MS upgrade since he would have to kill a close one or the possibility of obtaining the MS like kakashi (but that would mean kishi explaining the mystery of how kakashi got is also since it would be the other way of getting it) to me kakashi getting the MS was a plot device or mystery like many mysteries in the naruto universe that kishi doesnt explain and that we fans well always argue over

But who knows sasuke could get MS (PLOT DEVICE) since it seems kishi is prone on making him look comparable to his bro who is a semi GOD already lmao

There's no way Kakashi's MS goes unexplained.

Skeith
April 22, 2007, 08:36 PM
I was thinking that maybe kakashi would take obito's death and like blame himself for it as a way to overcome the 'kill a close friend' thing, if someone believes hard enough they can trick their mind into drowning their body so idon't see why he couldn't have blamed himself for his friend's death to obtain the power. I mean wasn't he always late cuz he spends so much time at that grave? I think that could explain his MS in a cheap cop-out way so that kishi can answer one of our many questions. oh and wouldn't it be funny if sasuke used his new team to become the friends he kills o.0 oh man that'd be mean lol.... next chapter i predict something with less naruto then naruto should have lol maybe even some excess itachi. doubtfully a brother's reunion but hey they have gotten around quickly so maybe o.o but definetly more talky-talk with a new fav character the homicidal maniac Juugo >.< .... ugh.... hopefully next chap doesn't suck... ttyl and goodnight!

ornis
April 22, 2007, 11:51 PM
well just because everyone in sasuke's quad is disposable, doesn't mean that they can't have an important role. sasuke is da man, he can do it by himself... BUT, if they can help his chances even 1%, then sasuke will take it..

anyway, whatever role juugo has, i think it has to be involved in taking the cs to the next level.

You used the 1% line... Kabuto did that. Didn't Ssasuke say that was a lame excuse to save Naruto? Why would the 1% be so great, now? <joking> lol

Really, Sasuke does need some hope er help. The next level of CS would be the bloodline chakra recomposition seal >.> I don't know.

But I hope Sasuke does use the CS to an extent we can't imagine, and soon... Oh. I can see Juugo begging for Sasuke's help but not accepting it... playing desperate

But could he be sane enough... to test the person who promises to save him... before he believes squat?

I wonder if Karin could help the situation... The chakra reader? Mind reader?

She must have a way to use the chakra/mind she reads... if she's that badass... well, because I'd love it.

djgernade
April 22, 2007, 11:52 PM
i see some more fights between saske and juugo, with saske still trying to make juugo join the group. then its ends there, [then after that we finally see saskes plan ( but only the skin of it of coarse)] maybe a popin of naruto.

Zante
April 23, 2007, 12:09 AM
well just because everyone in sasuke's quad is disposable, doesn't mean that they can't have an important role. sasuke is da man, he can do it by himself... BUT, if they can help his chances even 1%, then sasuke will take it..

anyway, whatever role juugo has, i think it has to be involved in taking the cs to the next level.

i don't think Sasuke is able to succeed on reaching his goal alone. I don't think he can beat his brother right now.

ornis
April 23, 2007, 12:18 AM
Neither do I.

GRADUATE13
April 23, 2007, 06:47 AM
I predict that akatsuki will try to get their rings back

lordHokage
April 23, 2007, 06:50 AM
i don't think Sasuke is able to succeed on reaching his goal alone. I don't think he can beat his brother right now.

I agree with you, Sasuke would never reach his goal with this current team, he would succeed with team 7 for sure. :amuse

nocor
April 23, 2007, 08:43 AM
maybe itachi is near konoha to capture naruto ... sasuke hunts itachi`s head so karin locates his whereabout ... sasuke tries to fight him but then realizes that without ms he can`t do anything ... goes crazy and tries to kill naruto ..naruto is too damn strong either and so team sasuke disappears for a while .. naruto gets captured by itachi but only to get near ak... the big fight against ak begins

disease05
April 23, 2007, 08:57 AM
Itachis where abouts, sasukes plan nd Jiraya tellin naruto bout sasuke


P.S if narutos training start i want em to learn 4ths Lightning God technique

Karma
April 23, 2007, 09:27 AM
maybe itachi is near konoha to capture naruto ... sasuke hunts itachi`s head so karin locates his whereabout ... sasuke tries to fight him but then realizes that without ms he can`t do anything ... goes crazy and tries to kill naruto ..naruto is too damn strong either and so team sasuke disappears for a while .. naruto gets captured by itachi but only to get near ak... the big fight against ak begins

I think this a while ago as well. Naruto will go or get is self captured by Itachi. Sasuke will be defeated by Itachi and realized that Itachi is stronger than him. He'll try to kill Naruto for the second time, then he'll realized that Naruto is stronger than him.. He'll leave with no other choice either to let Kakashi help him to get MS or he'll force Kakashi to tell him.

But i know Naruto going to be on another level pretty soon.. Not even jiriaya and the 4th Hokage going to be as strong as Naruto when he finish is training..

I hope he learn that 4th Jutsu -Body flicker..

bighawke5
April 23, 2007, 09:49 AM
I think this a while ago as well. Naruto will go or get is self captured by Itachi. Sasuke will be defeated by Itachi and realized that Itachi is stronger than him. He'll try to kill Naruto for the second time, then he'll realized that Naruto is stronger than him.. He'll leave with no other choice either to let Kakashi help him to get MS or he'll force Kakashi to tell him.

But i know Naruto going to be on another level pretty soon.. Not even jiriaya and the 4th Hokage going to be as strong as Naruto when he finish is training..

I hope he learn that 4th Jutsu -Body flicker..

u know what i want to hear instead of kakashi saying so many things about how naruto's skills or power equal or supases his. i want to hear jiraiya instead saying that as well so we know where naruto stands in his skills.lol that'll make him equal to sasuke again lmao

ornis
April 23, 2007, 10:10 AM
I hope he learn that 4th Jutsu -Body flicker..

Um... Hiraishin... he should learn Hiraishin... to me Naru needs a tech that surpasses Hiraishin...

@ bighawke5

and if it involves high-level sealing, Jiraiya should jump out and claim Naru is surpassing me! :)

richtoyz
April 23, 2007, 10:43 AM
i want to c what kind of training naruto will b getting now that they no that sasuke has killed oro, this must have change their aproach tto getting prepared for what lies ahead of them sasuke and akatsuki

unsignedhype
April 23, 2007, 11:26 AM
Well ... after chapter 351 and Sasuke having his complete team, it's obvious that they will start lookin' for Itachi or at least they'll begin makin' their plan .. Especialy after the annoucement for chapter 352 : "Itachi's place" ..
But, with Kishimoto, nothin' is obvious and he often surprises us with things we could never expect .. That makes me think of a surprising chapter 352 with, probably, some new things about Itachi .. Or, maybe, it's just what I want to see as a Naruto's fan .. :D

arslan
April 23, 2007, 01:09 PM
we might directly see what is Itachi doping or we might see Jiraya talking about it, it can go either way. about people saying that naruto would be training, i don't see kishi showing it to us if that's the case. we might see the training as flash backs but at the current pace of the story we might see naruto leaving konoha to find akatsuki and sasuke or either of them coming to konoha. that's how i feel, at least.

ANBU4U
April 23, 2007, 02:49 PM
we might directly see what is Itachi doping or we might see Jiraya talking about it, it can go either way. about people saying that naruto would be training, i don't see kishi showing it to us if that's the case. we might see the training as flash backs but at the current pace of the story we might see naruto leaving konoha to find akatsuki and sasuke or either of them coming to konoha. that's how i feel, at least.

If he wants so use the flashback training plot device. Shouldnt he have about 3 years worth of SOMETHING saved up?

Mendes
April 23, 2007, 03:22 PM
Well ... after chapter 351 and Sasuke having his complete team, it's obvious that they will start lookin' for Itachi or at least they'll begin makin' their plan .. Especialy after the annoucement for chapter 352 : "Itachi's place" ..
But, with Kishimoto, nothin' is obvious and he often surprises us with things we could never expect .. That makes me think of a surprising chapter 352 with, probably, some new things about Itachi .. Or, maybe, it's just what I want to see as a Naruto's fan .. :D

I think the same way. At the end of chapter 350 we also read "next chapter-> The cursed seal's secret", but 351 came and its not like we know much more about the CS. The only thing we've seen is sasuke's ability to control the CS better and to make partial transformations...
What i mean is that the title isn's much indicative on whats actually gonna happen on the chapter. If it was it'd be too denunciative. Its better to keep suspense tough.

The Flash
April 23, 2007, 03:48 PM
Like i said before many times.. Previews are always true, but are not accurate ->Meaning they wont happen next chapter, but will happen in that arc.

Maybe we will see more of Akatsuki next chapter. Akatsuki being informed that Oro is dead is indeed good news for them. What I'd like to see is Itachi's reaction of Orohimaru's death in the hands of his younger brother, Uchiha Sasuke.


I think the same way. At the end of chapter 350 we also read "next chapter-> The cursed seal's secret", but 351 came and its not like we know much more about the CS. The only thing we've seen is sasuke's ability to control the CS better and to make partial transformations...
What i mean is that the title isn's much indicative on whats actually gonna happen on the chapter. If it was it'd be too denunciative. Its better to keep suspense tough.

Well we did learn about the secret of the CS. lol If you think about it. Juugo himself is the secret of the CS, he is the origin of its power. I guess we got to see the "secret" fight sasuke in 351. I suppose its how you view it.

toyin
April 23, 2007, 05:37 PM
I think we will see more of Naruto ( his full and true filling about hearing to defeat of Oro by sasuke)which might be really emotional, than at the end we will see Sasuke 4 main squad and the side title will be "were is sasuke crew heading to" or thier mission rather.

I will not love to see ataksuki because, it is degrading there current level, just like Oro.

Jinto
April 23, 2007, 06:28 PM
I think we will see 12 pages of Naruto and company eating ramen.

tyraen
April 23, 2007, 06:50 PM
I think we will see 12 pages of Naruto and company eating ramen.

Haha, that made me laugh out loud.

It better not be.

dimplez
April 23, 2007, 06:51 PM
i think we won't see naruto at all in this chapter and it will be about sasuke AGAIN!!

Karma
April 23, 2007, 08:02 PM
i think we won't see naruto at all in this chapter and it will be about sasuke AGAIN!!
It Will be more sasuke a little of Ak group.. If we get a bit of naruto we are lucky..

metoo
April 23, 2007, 08:13 PM
Prediction: Next chapter is hopefully going to tie things together somewhat...hopefully we will see naruto in it (training??? maybe), however, I believe we may even see akatsuki and am quite sure that we will see sasuke and his group... as far as the layout---> begins with a tidbit with naruto (konoha) then the rest of the chapter focuses on sasukes group (mainly a man to man talk b/t juugo and sasuke) with some emphasis on itachi's whereabouts, Doubt we'll see any action though more so some explanation hopefully, i see the chapter ending with an akatsuki conversation though idk 4sure, but i would think they'd be aware of sasuke by now :P

Aijou Kuma
April 23, 2007, 08:21 PM
Umm they get Juugo finally? OR another chapter of trying to convince Juugo to come with them?

ONLY TIME WILL TELL ^^

shachi
April 23, 2007, 08:29 PM
I don't think Jiraiya is in town just to deliver news. With Orochimaru out of the way, there could be a parallel plot-line upcoming, where Jiraiya is put out of commission--by Akatsuki--as he's protecting the injured Naruto. Then Naruto, like Sasuke, will assemble a team and go on an Akatsuki-hunt.

Richard
April 23, 2007, 08:46 PM
Next chapter we see itachi running away from sasuke, well at least that was inside the last spoiler i didn't expect to be true but was right.

But imo i think we won't see much of sasuke next chapter, probably akatsuki and konoha, idk if someone though about this, but what if sasuke wants to use oro's ring from akatsuki?, what's so important about them and what if akatsuki wants back it's ring?, maybe it's not as cheap to get rings as it is to get new akatsuki members lol

LazyFish
April 23, 2007, 09:59 PM
I think Sasuke's team will go after S Class Criminals to fund his future activities, to hone his team and to indirectly protect Naruto. With fewer Akatsuki members the extraction of the nine tails will take longer. Could it take so long that Naruto wakes up healed and wreaks havok? So by going after potentially new Akatsuki members, Sasuke can keep the numbers down and give a reason for his brother to search him out.

bloodrage
April 23, 2007, 10:25 PM
i predict it will be as much crap as the last one seriously there is nothing much to try and predict .

oh and i was reading further back guys talking about naruto and saskue who is stronger and stuff i don't think saskue is that much stronger than naruto and don't base your theories off of sugetsiu karin or juugoo cause we haven't seen them fight with anybody to see how strong they are oh and anb4u or something u said that naruto doesent have any basic ninja skills in a previous thread could u plzz tell me which ones.

Sephy7KillerMech
April 24, 2007, 03:42 AM
But imo i think we won't see much of sasuke next chapter, probably akatsuki and konoha, idk if someone though about this, but what if sasuke wants to use oro's ring from akatsuki?, what's so important about them and what if akatsuki wants back it's ring?, maybe it's not as cheap to get rings as it is to get new akatsuki members lol

I know the Anime isn't canon but in Kishimoto's latest interview he said he works with them a lot and gives them pointers and ideas, like... he probably told them Tobi is a boy XD.

aannnnnyyywwwaaayyyy the point of all this is, my prediction! In the anime when you see Gaara get captured and taken to their hideout the leader is shown in shadow form. the way they portrayed shadow form was with a sort of rainbow outline. Maybe the rings are used as a transportation for their chakra. To summon the statue and do the extraction all you seem to need is your chakra. So maybe the leader designates a spot and "calls" the members through his ring and they all transport chakra to the location.

Because of summoning jutsu we know there are "dimensional" jutsu. Maybe the shadow forms are sort of like old radio transmissions.

ornis
April 24, 2007, 04:18 AM
@ Sephy7KillerMech

That's an interesting point of view, but we can see the guys.

I'd compare them to video projections of the real members through air waves

The fingers (that they stand on) may partially serve as antennae that correlate with the ring associated with each finger.

(A finger could be an antenna that receives data associated with the ring assigned to that finger)

But how are we supposed to view the images? As surreal markers of radio transmissions?

We can actually see the members' silhouettes. So if your idea nails the rings' real purpose, why would AL use "shadow projections" to stand for radiowaves, which we can't see

Unless the images are some interpretation of photo ID... with chakra...

I like your thoughts here.

meka
April 24, 2007, 05:11 AM
things that aren't so surprising to a strong shinobi becomes one when they're in a weaken state. so i don't give a shit whether naruto was shocked at sasuke's speed. in a weaken state, one become slower physically and mentally and i believe bleach showed this clearly when ichigo was fighting byakuya. ichigo reactions and judgement became dull and he almost f**ked up. therefore ... sasuke is still on naruto's level. :p

clarification: so far we've only seen naruto going at opponents with low chakra reserves while sasuke, well, he just pawns others full out. if you can't even see that, then that's too bad. sasuke at full pawns a nearly dead orochimaru and naruto at let say half pawns kakuzu. yeah, kakuzu had 3 hearts left, might i point out that nothing of kakuzu's battle capabilities went down other than being unable to use 2 other elements? to compare kakuzu's intelligence with oro, i believe his experience nullifies oros intelligence so there were no difference.

and as far as i'm concered, the anime never made it look like naruto was in shock. if you want to make that cannon anime-manga shit an issue. lol

prediction:

most of the next chapter will be all about talking. sasuke trying to convince juugo to join them, karin opposing it with a little bit of facts from oro's experimentation on juugo, suigetsu condemning karin and juugo. sasuke begins to lose his nerve ...

abit of akatsuki. they're discussing how to deal with konoha and its allies threat to thier operation and abit of the news hey got about sasuke killing oro.
or
abit of konoha. naruto heads out with jiraiya to find something. im assuming it'll be an object ... >_>

ornis
April 24, 2007, 05:25 AM
or
abit of konoha. naruto heads out with jiraiya to find something. im assuming it'll be an object ... >_>

Are you hinting at... a certain type of kunai...

bighawke5
April 24, 2007, 07:49 AM
things that aren't so surprising to a strong shinobi becomes one when they're in a weaken state. so i don't give a shit whether naruto was shocked at sasuke's speed. in a weaken state, one become slower physically and mentally and i believe bleach showed this clearly when ichigo was fighting byakuya. ichigo reactions and judgement became dull and he almost f**ked up. therefore ... sasuke is still on naruto's level. :p

clarification: so far we've only seen naruto going at opponents with low chakra reserves while sasuke, well, he just pawns others full out. if you can't even see that, then that's too bad. sasuke at full pawns a nearly dead orochimaru and naruto at let say half pawns kakuzu. yeah, kakuzu had 3 hearts left, might i point out that nothing of kakuzu's battle capabilities went down other than being unable to use 2 other elements? to compare kakuzu's intelligence with oro, i believe his experience nullifies oros intelligence so there were no difference.

and as far as i'm concered, the anime never made it look like naruto was in shock. if you want to make that cannon anime-manga shit an issue. lol

prediction:

most of the next chapter will be all about talking. sasuke trying to convince juugo to join them, karin opposing it with a little bit of facts from oro's experimentation on juugo, suigetsu condemning karin and juugo. sasuke begins to lose his nerve ...

abit of akatsuki. they're discussing how to deal with konoha and its allies threat to thier operation and abit of the news hey got about sasuke killing oro.
or
abit of konoha. naruto heads out with jiraiya to find something. im assuming it'll be an object ... >_>

the whole kakuzu thing is pretty simple....to me ppl seem to overlook the fact that kakuzu had 3 hearts and naruto was tired from a non sleep/rest three days workout and kakuzu is a high s ranked ninja that fought the 1st hokage and still lives to comment about it. basically the fact that kakuzu had three hearst which seems weird to me and not all ppl here means that naruto killed kakuzu three times already and with a jutsu that had already f-up his hand....see him grabbing his hand when he/yamato saved kakashi.
Plus naruto couldve killed kakuzu another way but decided to use the new jutsu..he kept saying "i'll get him with the new jutsu definetly" it was like to test himself to see if he could hit someone of that caliber with a 50% completed jutsu and he did but he couldve gone other ways to kill kakuzu looking at his confidence in using something 50% completed.

but back to topic i want to see jiraiya doing something useful to naruto (his growth) he did but we havent seen much of it so i want him to show more to naruto i know he could teach him more then he did already

Dark soul within
April 24, 2007, 08:12 AM
I predict it will be a cliffhanger ending...we may see a bit about naruto and his thoughts on the whole sasuke defeating orochimaru...and we'll see something about Itachi and what he his plans are...i don't think he'll try take naruto or anything tho, that would seem too sudden for me

bennibb
April 24, 2007, 08:17 AM
Wel... I'd like to add 1 thing to the Kakuzu matter.
First Kakuzu uses 3 days and 30% power to seal the Nibi? Then hes KILLED 2 times (gotta hurt and drain power) And hes got no rest after killing that monk (forgot name) and fighting Asumas squad (if only to a small degree) So atleast 4 days here and alot of enemies with no rest. I can clearly say that Kakuzu was not at his prime. Im not saying this to shorten Narutos glory here, and ofc Naruto was tired from training. But Naruto and Sasuke took a S-rank at there weakest. Naruto would have loost if he was alone... Same with Sasuke if Oro didnt want him alive. So they both have a fair way to go until they can reach there goals

maxhrk
April 24, 2007, 08:33 AM
in defense of Naruto... Did leader say 'HURRY UP!, BRING ME F**KING JUURINIKI!" or whatever leader scream...

however it seem that they took time to rest and move on. They are not in hurry to pick up the 9th demon vessel in any case.

tricel
April 24, 2007, 09:01 AM
i predict that chapter 352 will revolve around sasuke explaining and give instructions to his new founded team..,then naruto and sakura will show their emo face once again while eating the "oh so tasty ramen", sai will be there to show them the perfected emotionless face.kakashi will still read his icha series, then after bringing up the oro news jiraiya will once again depart to spy on sasuke as well as the akatsuki. then lastly we will see the shadows of itachi and kisame and al talking to each other, al commanding them to finally hunt down naruto b/c its itachi's assigned bijju to retrieve and it's finally time to bring their plans to fruitation.

Black/Light
April 24, 2007, 10:14 AM
. . . Im pretty sure Kakuzu took time out to rest. IDK how anyone could infer that he was all tired/ dragged out in his fight with Naruto. . .(God, naruto owned him with one attack. . . why do soo many people here try to lessen that? )

On topic. . .like I said, I think Sas is slipping pass return. Now Im sure something bad will happen to him later on.

Aijou Kuma
April 24, 2007, 10:48 AM
Chances are after he gets Juugo he will then go after Naruto because Itachi had said to Sasuke last time they met "When you have my eyes come before me" or something like that, so now Sasuke needs to get the MS and BOOM

Naruto vs Sasuke FINALLY

Sakura vs Karin! (I hope)

Juugo vs Sai

Suigetsu vs Kakashi

The Flash
April 24, 2007, 03:16 PM
Chances are after he gets Juugo he will then go after Naruto because Itachi had said to Sasuke last time they met "When you have my eyes come before me" or something like that, so now Sasuke needs to get the MS and BOOM

Naruto vs Sasuke FINALLY

Sakura vs Karin! (I hope)

Juugo vs Sai

Suigetsu vs Kakashi

Incorrect. Do we remember before the time Jump, where Sasuke had a flashback of Itachi saying "Meet me when you get those eyes" and he later on" I will not follow your plans, I will surpass on my own way"

I doubt he will get naruto now.

donkeyhigh
April 24, 2007, 06:04 PM
I don't think that'll happen either, but for other reasons..
If it were to happen, I think it's obvious that Sasuke wouldn't get to kill Naruto.
Either they all win, or Kakashi escapes and saves everyone from being killed..
Or a more far-fetched angle would be Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Kakashi teaming up with Sasuke and the gang..

But they wont meet and fight, something else is gonna happen.. :/

ornis
April 24, 2007, 09:04 PM
Heh, heh

Sasuke's fishing for a fateful meeting.

I bet the rendezvous Team 7 and the stage puppets make leads to Naruto's disappearance.

Might not happen first off, but I've got an itch..

Sasuke could isolate Naruto---in the background of one hellish party.

It would be... the Ironic Renunion... heh!

popoboy
April 24, 2007, 09:47 PM
why did sasuke choose suigetsu, karin, juugo? i mean technically speaking orochimaru can't defeat the akatsuki. and suigetsu is a captive of orochi meaning he is weaker than orochi. karin also is under orochi. juugo might surpass orochimaru power since he voluntarily go to orochi. and assuming sasuke is better than orochimaru. still how can they fight the akatsuki? base on this i think sasuke is planning something but not to fight the akatsuki head on. possibly one akatsuki at a time (hit and run) or form an alliance with konoha. co'z for sure sasuke team is weaker than the akatsuki. or better yet sasuke's group is bound to loss. and the only way for him to win is with the help of naruto and company.

ornis
April 24, 2007, 10:05 PM
I believe Sasuke needs Konoha's help.

And that's gives the catch. What of this team... he would need them for something else.

I'm advocating this:
Sasu wants an improved "sense of self" and needs to keep Akatsuki and Konoha busy in a very likely, future confrontation.

He's using the team restlessly to reach those goals.

So he, Kyuubi, and Itachi can be alone...

Tias
April 25, 2007, 09:06 AM
seriously, he whont die, and if sasuke ever will, it will be around the end of those whole series...otherwise when he gets old

ANBU4U
April 25, 2007, 04:54 PM
why did sasuke choose suigetsu, karin, juugo? i mean technically speaking orochimaru can't defeat the akatsuki. and suigetsu is a captive of orochi meaning he is weaker than orochi. karin also is under orochi. juugo might surpass orochimaru power since he voluntarily go to orochi. and assuming sasuke is better than orochimaru. still how can they fight the akatsuki? base on this i think sasuke is planning something but not to fight the akatsuki head on. possibly one akatsuki at a time (hit and run) or form an alliance with konoha. co'z for sure sasuke team is weaker than the akatsuki. or better yet sasuke's group is bound to loss. and the only way for him to win is with the help of naruto and company.

He'd be going after Itachi wouldnt he? I mean its like you said, why would he go heads up against all of Akatasuki? I doubt he has any real beef against them other than them harboring Itachi, so Sauske would go after one cell at a time...and as should only cares about 1 particular cell 4 people should do......

ornis
April 25, 2007, 05:03 PM
So he'd stop before he'd get to the Leader right? If the Leader's cell came before Itachi's in some mix-up... or because Kishi says so... then what?

Would the leader be easily avoided to you ANBU4U

I mean what if the Leader prevents Sasuke from jumping cells like that...

ANBU4U
April 25, 2007, 07:32 PM
So he'd stop before he'd get to the Leader right? If the Leader's cell came before Itachi's in some mix-up... or because Kishi says so... then what?

Would the leader be easily avoided to you ANBU4U

I mean what if the Leader prevents Sasuke from jumping cells like that...

I was suddely implying that hes not jumping cells, he's jumping ITACHI's cell. Hell use the others to isolate Itachi and go from there. He wont go against akatsuki unless they come after him for killing Itachi. AL wont stop Sauske, because there wont be any precident to work on. Its not like he'll know Sauske's coming. Unless he's got an informant within sauskes group, or Zetsu's realllly good. Either way it should be too late for him to step in b4 Sauske strikes.

ornis
April 25, 2007, 08:13 PM
I was suddely implying that hes not jumping cells, he's jumping ITACHI's cell. Hell use the others to isolate Itachi and go from there. He wont go against akatsuki unless they come after him for killing Itachi. AL wont stop Sauske, because there wont be any precident to work on. Its not like he'll know Sauske's coming. Unless he's got an informant within sauskes group, or Zetsu's realllly good. Either way it should be too late for him to step in b4 Sauske strikes.


Makes sense to me. Especially the isolating Itachi bit. I can't see any bit of Akatsuki being challenged by Sasuke, like a modest kid to mere slices of pie.

Sasuke wouldn't take one slice and the next beside it---he'd go for the center, if he had to, by making his team cut off the extra mess he doesn't need---and that's where Konoha would role-play well.

Sasuke's a missing-nin. If he can run Naruto's gang into danger by attracting Akatsui, I would assume Naruto's planned rundown would be suicide.

Now this may never occur.

But let's say no one can get through to stubborn Naruto.
Hunter-nin are sent in to apprehend Sasuke, so that Naruto would catch up with the kid in custody... but it is not at all, so easy---Sasuke could let Suigetsu run his mouth after Hunter nin appear behind them (wherever the confrontation should be)

Something could spill out like "I was wondering how pathetic you'd be... or how skillful you really are---never told me about the good friends you'd... needlessly have in tow."

Sasuke cuts his eyes, annoyed with Sui

Sui: *Looks down arrogantly amused*

Sasu merely glances back

Sui sees the indifferent glance: Hmm, I'm guessing it's true then.

Sasu: "I am in control of what I have caused to become."

Sui: "!"

Karin: "?"

Sui and the team turn to the Konoha nin, on guard

Sasu appears in front of his team: But different types of hands must be welcome to me. (Moves directly to Sui's side and speaks low) What helps me doesn't have to be help to you.

So far that's a bit of what I (want to) see

Jester_Rogue
April 25, 2007, 09:08 PM
I predict pursuit of whoever it is that Sasuke is trying to kill and then maybe after a few chapters the first encounter of the first one on one battle with like Suigetsu versus obstacle one

SacredNic
April 25, 2007, 09:33 PM
I think that there's a vital piece of information we're missing which Kishi will introduce over the next couple of chapters. So for now, it's fairly unpredictable.

I'd like to see Itachi die at the hand of Sasuke. Considering that Sasuke seems to be keeping his opponents alive, there appears to be some good left in him. Maybe he'll return to Konoha after all



And then they can sit around drinking tea :tem

WinterLion
April 26, 2007, 01:21 PM
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lordHokage
April 27, 2007, 10:46 AM
For next chapter, Itachi and Kisame are not surprise of the dark clouds formation. This information is supported by the tea leaves. :blink

ornis
April 27, 2007, 10:51 AM
Would be funny if Itachi grabs Naruto, while Hunter-nin from Konoha give Team Snake a hassle.

Sasuke could then chase Itachi because to get Naruto, Itachi would have to encounter Naruto's gang or a Naruto that's running away... you know, all crazy for Sasuke's return.

Like how he ran crazy for Gaara. Except, here he'd catch himself at the last minute of the AWOL attempt--but he'd be cut off by Itachi and Kisame

Sasuke leaves his team to deal with the Konoha nin, that is, Hunter-nin who would be Sasuke's back-up for his own hidden agenda

Then Sasuke would trail Team Kakashi after Kakashi decides not to use Sharingan at all and holds his own against Itachi---like Gai said he could---by only looking at Itachi's feet. But Kakashi uses his Zabuza trick and lets Kisame but in.

Kisame shreads Kakashi's---clone.

Makes no sense until we realize Kakashi can track his blood ---and his chakra (if he mixes it with his blood---this is a fantasy I hope happens) Kishi uses the moment to switch to Karin and the group fighting Konoha nin.

Team Snake is winning because Karin singles out the strongest of the group---which makes her nervous for some reason....

...anyway that's what I'd want to see.

lordHokage
April 27, 2007, 11:44 AM
Would be funny if Itachi grabs Naruto, while Hunter-nin from Konoha give Team Snake a hassle.

I could see that prediction happening and it would be very funny. :eyeroll

Hyde
April 27, 2007, 01:31 PM
Itachi's end is coming ! I predict he's dead/beaten in 60 chapters.

kadoman
April 27, 2007, 01:32 PM
Just read the chapter.

WOW!

It's been a while since I felt this excited. Oh, yeah, I'm sure there'll be plenty of people who will say, terrible chapter, boring, pointless, yawn, when do we get to see Naruto, I wanna know about THAT jutsu...BUT I don't care!!!

I LOVED IT.

Top marks from me.

We saw my beloved Kimmimaru engage in meaningful dialogue with Juugo and Kishi pulled a clever swifty and used Kimmi as a device to explain Juugo's joining Sasuke and how Sasuke will restrain his killing urges.

There's a little comic relief and at least Suigetsu seems to speak for all of us when he mocks Karin for being head over for Sasuke and then breaks the news to her that she's never gonna get close to him. Ha!

And to top it all off, we see Itachi! :wtf

I'm looking forward to Sasuke and Naruto's future encounter, that's for sure!

aine
April 27, 2007, 01:41 PM
I was certainly not expecting Kimimaro to be so.. sweet, somehow. But Kishimoto-sensei managed to give Orochimaru of all people a sympathetic past, so I suppose I shouldn't have been so surprised.

Also, if Suigetsu reacts to being slapped like that, no wonder he's not afraid to offend girls. ^^ From what I understood of the chapter though it seemed like he's had some past connection with Karin and might be teasing her because he liked her- he seemed to know her from a past when she used to stutter. Suddenly I'm more interested in the both of them. I suppose we'll see.

...Itachi and Kisame are surprisingly domestic for a bunch of internationally wanted killers..

kadoman
April 27, 2007, 01:46 PM
I don't quite get the trans where it has Suigetsu saying to Karin: a long time ago, you did something to Sasuke...

What is that supposed to mean?

aine
April 27, 2007, 02:02 PM
I don't quite get the trans where it has Suigetsu saying to Karin: a long time ago, you did something to Sasuke...

What is that supposed to mean?

It's a bit open-ended, I think. The original is "Mukashi kimi wa Sasuke ni", which literally translates to something like "a long time ago, you (to) Sasuke". The ambiguity comes from the "ni" because it takes its meaning from the missing adjective which should follow it. My best guess is that Suigetsu was about to say "Since a long time ago you've liked Sasuke" but I can't be sure about that..

body flicker
April 27, 2007, 02:03 PM
this was a great chapter and the suigetsu and karin argument too funny but i still think naruto needs to mind his business when it comes to sasuke and itachi because him going out there is just suicide.

im pretty sure sasuke can fight on par just a little bit with itachi but when he starts losing and naruto all of a sudden pops out sasuke's only going to have one thing on his mind

and thats to kill him for the MS.

lbum
April 27, 2007, 02:07 PM
All i got to say is i cant wait for this to keep up it looks like it will be a good time. I so happy.
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Itachi's end is coming ! I predict he's dead/beaten in 60 chapters.

Well i do have to say that this gives him a little time, lol. But i cant wait to see who will get to fight him and when and how it will go down.

conan
April 27, 2007, 02:11 PM
the thing I liked about this chapter is it seems its giving us the possibility of better future chapters, the possibility of more info about the akatsuki in general and itachi and kisame, then the possibility of naruto and sasukes futures becoming more clear and there skills becoming more apparent as far as whose better or stronger and so on.

Sentou Ryoku
April 27, 2007, 02:34 PM
Hopefully Tsunade makes up a good group to go after Itachi, and not just the default Naruto-Sakura-Sai-Kakashi/Yamato team.

lexx
April 27, 2007, 02:43 PM
Huh...so it seems like the author might be heading towards a conclusion where the Uchiha revenge plot, Akatsuki/tailed beasts plot, & the Naruto/Sasuke plot all converge & conclude. Aside from those current plots, all that's left in Naruto is his eventual ascension to becoming hokage.

...this manga's going to continue for like 10-15 years. just...wow

Urazz
April 27, 2007, 02:55 PM
Huh...so it seems like the author might be heading towards a conclusion where the Uchiha revenge plot, Akatsuki/tailed beasts plot, & the Naruto/Sasuke plot all converge & conclude. Aside from those current plots, all that's left in Naruto is his eventual ascension to becoming hokage.

...this manga's going to continue for like 10-15 years. just...wow
I think the series still has some gas in it really depending if Kishi doesn't try to make things drag along. I think the Uchiha revenge plot can be resolved in like 30 chapters at the most in my opinion if that is all that is focused on at the moment.

There is the issue of Danzou wanting to take over Konoha which will probably be right after the Uchiha revenge plot/Akatsuki plot which will probably lead to Naruto being in a good position to become Hokage and while Danou's coup is happening we can get the setup for a big ninja war being set up from Danzou's actions as the warhawk he is and Sasuke taking over the Sound. We can do another time skip to later on when Naruto is Hokage and ends the big ninja war.

manga_freaky
April 27, 2007, 03:00 PM
What the hell with Naruto going after Itachi, a man that he doesn't even know. Kishi is desperate to make sasuke the bad guy and if by any chance team 7 get to kill or hurt Itachi to the point that he is unable to fight at his best, sasuke is definitely going to go after Naruto for revenge. Kinda disappointing how lame and sad naruto obsession of Sasuke has turn out to be. Naruto is going to destroy Sasuke's dream for what? Do you really call that friendship. Is Naruto ever planning on becoming a hokage?

panzerzanaku
April 27, 2007, 03:18 PM
i completely agree with u manga_freaky

its just ridiculous, naruto needs to get a life of his own and but out of sasukes business. i've been telling ppl this for a long time now and nobody wanted to beleive me.

its so sad sasuke is in support of naruto's dream to become hokage yet naruto wont let sasuke be to handle his business.

lordHokage
April 27, 2007, 03:24 PM
What an awesome chapter, I have no complaints. I’m looking forward to Naruto and Itachi showdown, it more interesting than Sasuke vs. Naruto or Itachi, the outcome remains the same regardless. :eyeroll

ANBU4U
April 27, 2007, 03:37 PM
Huh...so it seems like the author might be heading towards a conclusion where the Uchiha revenge plot, Akatsuki/tailed beasts plot, & the Naruto/Sasuke plot all converge & conclude. Aside from those current plots, all that's left in Naruto is his eventual ascension to becoming hokage.

...this manga's going to continue for like 10-15 years. just...wow

They'll be another world war after it all, u'll see.
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i completely agree with u manga_freaky

its just ridiculous, naruto needs to get a life of his own and but out of sasukes business. i've been telling ppl this for a long time now and nobody wanted to beleive me.

its so sad sasuke is in support of naruto's dream to become hokage yet naruto wont let sasuke be to handle his business.

Agreed, a good friend should know when to butt out. Even jiraiya knew that he shouldnt interfere with Sauske v. Itachi untill Sauske was incapacitated. Naruto needs to take care of his own affairs for awhile and stop stalking sauske. If he wants to go after akatsuki, fine, but do it because they're coming after you, not because ur friends brother is there.

raven09
April 27, 2007, 04:16 PM
Yeah.. at last it seems the pace will pick up!
Anyway.. i agree ANBU4U.. its high time that naruto leaves sasuke alone... infact he(naruto) was so after orochimaru, and now see how easily sasuke ended that thing.. two sword swipes... and done!
The only reason naruto is going after itachi is maybe he thinks sasuke is not strong enough to handle itachi alone....

Who else thought that the last scene with itachi saying "a big storm is coming" was pretty amazing? A showdown in the rain would be woot!

i just hope that the uchiha history will reveal something sinister... tying together kyuubi/madara/shodai-hokage/mangekyou/yondaime...!

arslan
April 27, 2007, 04:27 PM
@raven09:

i agree that the scene was awesome but Itachi's statement that a big storm seems to be coming is more of a foreshadow that things are going to get heated and troubles lie ahead for itachi. just like gentle raindrops can turn into a heavy storm, a number of forces (team snake and team naruto) will eventually gather force and cause itachi a lot of trouble. PLus the scene is pretty dramatic considering we are shown two important characters of the series deciding to go after itachi. the words seem just right.:D

lordHokage
April 27, 2007, 04:36 PM
What the hell with Naruto going after Itachi, a man that he doesn't even know. Kishi is desperate to make sasuke the bad guy and if by any chance team 7 get to kill or hurt Itachi to the point that he is unable to fight at his best, sasuke is definitely going to go after Naruto for revenge. Kinda disappointing how lame and sad naruto obsession of Sasuke has turn out to be. Naruto is going to destroy Sasuke's dream for what? Do you really call that friendship. Is Naruto ever planning on becoming a hokage?

I completely disagree with you, a sincere person don’t allow any persons to make mistakes that reap consequences. These life lessons are the making of a great and powerful Hokage. :amuse

aziboxe
April 27, 2007, 04:46 PM
well, I just thought naruto was worried, he didn't think sasuke wasn't strong enough, he just wanted to meet the important person again =\

anyways, i'm getting excited. I got kind-of bored the last few chapters =\


^_^

endofjulia
April 27, 2007, 04:46 PM
What did Karin do for Sasuke!?

At first I thought “She had his love child- fulfilling one of his goals- just in case he died fighting Itachi.” Next I thought, “What if they do die fighting Itachi, and Sakura and Naruto stumble across the child, who was hidden in another village… and they raise said child! Oh the juicy angst!” And then I laughed and thought “You watch way too much day time tv.” (Yah… talk about soap opera plot bunny o.0 )

All joking aside. This is what I really think happened between Sasuke and Karin:

Well, I interpreted (it’s a theory of mine) it as Karin was one of the people who experimented on Orochimaru’s “subjects.” She was there before Sasuke, working on Kimimaro. Therefore, she must be a sort of medic, or have knowledge of the field. Or she could just have used her specialty in chakra and documented how the curse seal, while activated, altered the person’s chakra. Or both.

I believe she probably experimented a little on Sasuke’s (mind out of the gutter people!) curse seal. She might have skipped out on the experimentation on Sasuke. Also, she might have had something to do with the drugs Sakura said Sasuke was taking. All in all, she helped out Sasuke. I think Suigetsu has a problem with Karin because she experimented some on him. He found out that she willingly helped Sasuke out, but not him… and, well, if I were in Suigestu’s shoes, I’d be pissed at her too. (… or he can just have a huge crush on the woman and he is acting out of jealousy lol)

Anyway, amazing fights are coming up! I can’t wait for everyone to meet up. Like the saying roughly goes: It’s like a train wreck you can’t stop yourself from watching. (Yay! Itachi and Kisame are back! XD)

Also, raven09. I’m hoping the same thing about the Uchiha past. I’m dying to know all that was in the Uchiha secret meeting place, and about Uchiha Madera!

Ehrinuchi
April 27, 2007, 04:48 PM
Yeah I completely agree with you manga_freaky, panzerzanaku, ANBU4U.

Anyways, this was a great chapter and Suigetsu cracks me up xP his arguments with Karin are so funny.
Karin likes Sasuke and apparently "did something to him" a long time ago according to Suigetsu…. Hmm wonder what =P
I also think that Naruto needs to mind his business when it comes to Sasuke and Itachi.
Oh well, I wonder who will be in Naruto’s team I’d like to see Shino or Hinata ... yeah wishful thinking, probably It will be Sai and Sakura.
At least I hope team 8 to be a back-up for this mission....or something...

And yeah, I agree that the scene with Itachi saying "a big storm is coming" was great.
Itachi is going to have his hands full now…

kadoman
April 27, 2007, 05:04 PM
What did Karin do for Sasuke!?


Refer to: http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=377668#post377668

mastercko
April 27, 2007, 05:08 PM
I completely disagree with you, a sincere person don’t allow any persons to make mistakes that reap consequences. These life lessons are the making of a great and powerful Hokage. :amuse

well said. I agree.

Sasuke is his best friend and now that the whole "Oro might kill him" thing is over, he's worried about his friend making a stupid mistake (for various reasons) trying to go after Itachi. So he's going after Itachi to try and find and stop Sasuke before he acts on his revenge.

Not many ppl like watching their friends (or anyone else) go down what looks to be a self-destructive path (living your life only for revenge is usually regarded this way by most ppl), and the truly good go out of their way to try and protect those people from themselves.

That Naruto has this much care in his heart for Sasuke and for Gaara and really for most everyone he meets (and that he also has the motivation and sometimes skill to back it up) is exactly why he's going to be the 6th Hokage. Kishimoto is clearly building him up this regard towards that end.

This chapter was a great start to what looks to be (IMO) the last story arc of Naruto.

kadoman
April 27, 2007, 05:12 PM
Well said Mastercko. I'd like to add Naruto's words to Sasuke not so long ago: How can I be Hokage if I can't save one friend?

Obviously, even with Orochimaru gone, Sasuke still requires saving and, as we all know, saving people is what Naruto does best. :amuse

endofjulia
April 27, 2007, 05:18 PM
Refer to: http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=377668#post377668

What a difference a small word makes. It had my mind going in completely other directions, trying to connect dots that couldn't be connected ^^;

I'm still wondering though, what about the enhancers Sakura mentioned? It's just something I've been thinking about lately, which is probably why my mind wanted to theorize like it did.

body flicker
April 27, 2007, 05:23 PM
I completely disagree with you, a sincere person don’t allow any persons to make mistakes that reap consequences. These life lessons are the making of a great and powerful Hokage. :amuse


well said. I agree.

Sasuke is his best friend and now that the whole "Oro might kill him" thing is over, he's worried about his friend making a stupid mistake (for various reasons) trying to go after Itachi. So he's going after Itachi to try and find and stop Sasuke before he acts on his revenge.

Not many ppl like watching their friends (or anyone else) go down what looks to be a self-destructive path (living your life only for revenge is usually regarded this way by most ppl), and the truly good go out of their way to try and protect those people from themselves.

That Naruto has this much care in his heart for Sasuke and for Gaara and really for most everyone he meets (and that he also has the motivation and sometimes skill to back it up) is exactly why he's going to be the 6th Hokage. Kishimoto is clearly building him up this regard towards that end.

This chapter was a great start to what looks to be (IMO) the last story arc of Naruto.


Well said Mastercko. I'd like to add Naruto's words to Sasuke not so long ago: How can I be Hokage if I can't save one friend?

Obviously, even with Orochimaru gone, Sasuke still requires saving and, as we all know, saving people is what Naruto does best. :amuse
i understand what your saying and u all make sense and there is nothing wrong with naruto wanting to help but when it comes to sasuke and itachi there are somethings that must be done and done alone

lordHokage
April 27, 2007, 05:55 PM
i understand what your saying and u all make sense and there is nothing wrong with naruto wanting to help but when it comes to sasuke and itachi there are somethings that must be done and done alone

I agree, but revenge is not the answer, it doesn’t solve problems, it only create problems. :blink

SmallTiger
April 27, 2007, 05:55 PM
Of course Naruto, or someone, has to go after Sasuke. I don't know whether or not Tsunade and Co. still care about Sasuke on a personal level, but they almost certainly consider him to be a dangerous missing-nin, one who is capable of becoming too much like his brother. They might already consider him to be S-rank since he took care of Orochimaru.

ANBU4U
April 27, 2007, 06:01 PM
well said. I agree.

Sasuke is his best friend and now that the whole "Oro might kill him" thing is over, he's worried about his friend making a stupid mistake (for various reasons) trying to go after Itachi. So he's going after Itachi to try and find and stop Sasuke before he acts on his revenge.

Not many ppl like watching their friends (or anyone else) go down what looks to be a self-destructive path (living your life only for revenge is usually regarded this way by most ppl), and the truly good go out of their way to try and protect those people from themselves.

That Naruto has this much care in his heart for Sasuke and for Gaara and really for most everyone he meets (and that he also has the motivation and sometimes skill to back it up) is exactly why he's going to be the 6th Hokage. Kishimoto is clearly building him up this regard towards that end.

This chapter was a great start to what looks to be (IMO) the last story arc of Naruto.

w/e. Naruto needs to wise up.

Itachi killed the entire Uchiha clan. Sauske and he are the only two surviving members and they are the male siblings of the clans former head.

the entire affair is between Sauske and Itachi, it should be no one elses concern.

If Suaske dies fighting Itachi then...thats the way it has to be. If Naruto wants to be a good friend he can go avenge his death, NOT interfere with the fight.
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I agree, but revenge is not the answer, it doesn’t solve problems, it only create problems. :blink


In this case it is. His brother killed his entire family. Killing his brother is more than an acceptable response.

Angeru
April 27, 2007, 06:11 PM
I just have to say i'm loving Suigetsu
first, i thought he would be lame but later I realized how cool he really is.
His picking on Karin and turning face to water when she puched him were the best things on the chapter.

That and the page with naruto and sasuke saying Uchiha Itachi at the same time.

Although i don't really like the idea.
If Tsunade should send someone to face Itachi, I wouldn't send naruto. I would send Gai and Jiraiya. That is if Jiraiya is man enough to accept it.
The idea that naruto, sakura, sai and kakashi can go and face itachi and kisame and seriously hope not to get owned sounds a bit ridiculous. Maybe not that much now, but i think they would be more aware of the power difference than just, "Yeah! Real simple guys!!! I'll go kick Itachi's ass, Kakashi can take cara of Kisame, while Sai and Sakura handcuff Sasuke and bring him back to the village! Piece of cake!"

dimplez
April 27, 2007, 06:20 PM
oh my daze that was such a pointless chapter!! i rely cannot believe that it took the whole chapter just to basically say that both of the teams are going after Itachi!! it rely feels like the manga aint progressing at all....

Navid.
April 27, 2007, 06:43 PM
There has been alot of interesting and valid arguments on the whole subject of if Naruto should leave Sasuke alone to go through with his revenge or not...
So I thought I should play devils advocate for a sec. :D

Let's go back a few chapters and look at Shika's fight with Hidan... remember that one?

Hidan being the one that had killed Asuma, had been targeted by Shika for nothing other than revenge, Shika almost went as far as putting his freinds in danger (they would all arguably have been killed if it wasn't for Kakashi) because he wanted said revenge.

But in the end Shika was given the opertunity by both Kishi and Naruto to have said revenge on his own terms, one against one... and it did solve his problems... and it did feel good.

Now Sasuke has taken a different route, he has decided to distance himself from his freinds to ensure they are not harmed because of his lust for revenge. However he is constanly being chased by Naruto who is trying to either stop him from achiving his goal or help him achive it, both of these actions will only have one outcome... making Sasuke feel like his life until now has been pointless and empty... and that will not give Sasuke any kind of feel good factor.

Now I'm not saying revenge, and killing Itachi, is the only way to go for Sasuke. But he should at the very least be given the opportunity to fight Itachi on his own terms, and then when the time comes decide for himself, by himself wether he wishes to kill him or not.

Karma
April 27, 2007, 06:43 PM
oh my daze that was such a pointless chapter!! i rely cannot believe that it took the whole chapter just to basically say that both of the teams are going after Itachi!! it rely feels like the manga aint progressing at all.... lol i got to agree with you..

lordHokage
April 27, 2007, 06:57 PM
Of course Naruto, or someone, has to go after Sasuke. I don't know whether or not Tsunade and Co. still care about Sasuke on a personal level, but they almost certainly consider him to be a dangerous missing-nin, one who is capable of becoming too much like his brother. They might already consider him to be S-rank since he took care of Orochimaru.

I think a small percent of the villagers still care about Sasuke but only a small few of them are willing to go after him. No matter what you say about Naruto, he refuses not to make same mistakes the Third Hokage made with Orochimaru. Having Sasuke home is in all and sundry best interests. :eyeroll

bloodrage
April 27, 2007, 07:14 PM
oh my daze that was such a pointless chapter!! i rely cannot believe that it took the whole chapter just to basically say that both of the teams are going after Itachi!! it rely feels like the manga aint progressing at all....

i agree with u it is crap

SmallTiger
April 27, 2007, 07:26 PM
I think a small percent of the villagers still care about Sasuke but only a small few of them are willing to go after him. No matter what you say about Naruto, he refuses not to make same mistakes the Third Hokage made with Orochimaru. Having Sasuke home is in all and sundry best interests. :eyeroll

Heh, agreed... Oh, someone SO needs to make a fanart of Naruto hugging a talking Sasuke plushie that's going ballistic! :P

Team Snake... heh... named after the team's hidden leader, hmm. ;) I guess I can see why Karina dn Juugo went along with it, but why on Earth didn't Sugietsu go NUTS over that name??

lordHokage
April 27, 2007, 08:12 PM
There has been alot of interesting and valid arguments on the whole subject of if Naruto should leave Sasuke alone to go through with his revenge or not...
So I thought I should play devils advocate for a sec. :D

Let's go back a few chapters and look at Shika's fight with Hidan... remember that one?

Hidan being the one that had killed Asuma, had been targeted by Shika for nothing other than revenge, Shika almost went as far as putting his freinds in danger (they would all arguably have been killed if it wasn't for Kakashi) because he wanted said revenge.

But in the end Shika was given the opertunity by both Kishi and Naruto to have said revenge on his own terms, one against one... and it did solve his problems... and it did feel good.

Now Sasuke has taken a different route, he has decided to distance himself from his freinds to ensure they are not harmed because of his lust for revenge. However he is constanly being chased by Naruto who is trying to either stop him from achiving his goal or help him achive it, both of these actions will only have one outcome... making Sasuke feel like his life until now has been pointless and empty... and that will not give Sasuke any kind of feel good factor.

Now I'm not saying revenge, and killing Itachi, is the only way to go for Sasuke. But he should at the very least be given the opportunity to fight Itachi on his own terms, and then when the time comes decide for himself, by himself wether he wishes to kill him or not.

Hidan is not dead, and if he resurfaces he would seek out the Nara’s clan, which would be a problem for the leaf village. As for Sasuke, he can fight or kill Itachi, but the pain doesn’t go away it only evolves into something much worst, and that's what Naruto is trying to prevent. :o

I don’t agree with you at all, and I sincerely hope you never ever play devils advocate again, it simply not good for the soul. :(

Wind_NiN
April 27, 2007, 08:28 PM
The chapter was great. =) I'm sure that Sasuke will meet up with Itachi earlier and Naruto will appear to help Sasuke with all of the teams when he'll be trapped or something in some jutsu. But I really don't think that Sasuke will try to kill Naruto for ms because after all of those years Naruto can't possibly still be his best friend.

Karma
April 27, 2007, 09:09 PM
Hidan is not dead, and if he resurfaces he would seek out the Nara’s clan, which would be a problem for the leaf village. As for Sasuke, he can fight or kill Itachi, but the pain doesn’t go away it only evolves into something much worst, and that's what Naruto is trying to prevent. :o

I don’t agree with you at all, and I sincerely hope you never ever play devils advocate again, it simply not good for the soul. :(
yup.. even if sasuke kill itachi he won't be releave from the pain of losing is family.. :D naruto is trying to stop him before he become like itachi.. sasuke dad warn him about it as well..

body flicker
April 27, 2007, 09:31 PM
yup.. even if sasuke kill itachi he won't be releave from the pain of losing is family.. :D naruto is trying to stop him before he become like itachi.. sasuke dad warn him about it as well..


Hidan is not dead, and if he resurfaces he would seek out the Nara’s clan, which would be a problem for the leaf village. As for Sasuke, he can fight or kill Itachi, but the pain doesn’t go away it only evolves into something much worst, and that's what Naruto is trying to prevent. :o

I don’t agree with you at all, and I sincerely hope you never ever play devils advocate again, it simply not good for the soul. :( sasuke knows that killing his brother wont help satisfy his pain of losing his family( remeber the talk with kakashi ) but like i said last time it just has to be done.

and naruto isnt trying to prevent sasuke from killing itachi he wants to help.but he's not needed and thats what he dosent understand maybe if the situation was explained in detail to him he would know that but it wasnt

it's pretty obvious tho...if sasuke hasent asked for his help he dosent need it ^^

directorj
April 27, 2007, 10:47 PM
I know everyone thinks of Itachi being Sasuke's problem and Sasuke's problem alone, but has everyone forgotten something? Itachi wants to capture Naruto, and rip Kyuubi out of him, thereby KILLING him. Itachi is everyone's problem, not just Sasuke's.

Because the Akatsuki is after Kyuubi, I can't see Tsunade actually letting Naruto go after Itachi, it'd be too risky. However, because Sasuke is invloved, it might be impossible to keep Naruto from going. Hopefully they'll send a really strong team for this mission which'll include some old favorite characters from arc 1.

GPZrag
April 27, 2007, 10:59 PM
Itachi lookead SOOO BADASSS!!! :)

DarkManSharingan32
April 27, 2007, 11:11 PM
Bah. What a great chapter... obviously one of the best set-up chapters in the mangas history, as we are on the brink of a major occurance in the manga.

Juugo got himself a pretty decent cover there... i love his face, it almost looks weary of the upcoming events.... as he should be. lol

The comedic value of Karin and Suigetsu got me again... and even showcased the main feature of Suigetsu's abilities. Oh... so you're basically a fully functional Mizu-Bunshin. Well then... go-ahead-wit-ya-bad-self.

The next thing.... was pretty disappointing. Team... Snake.
*slaps Sasuke for unoriginality*.

Poison, Fang.. even Team Revenge would have sounded cooler. But team "HEBI"? Sasuke... you lose cool points for that. You are now tallied at infinity -1.

And back to Konoha we go to find out... that Naruto and Sasuke are going after the same objective. VERY WELL DRAWN PANEL here Kishimoto! Seeing the sync between Naruto and Sasuke here highlights their link... and Itachi and Kisame confirm it later on.

A storm is coming huh? Well.. whats to be expected from the God of Wind, and the God of Thunder?

For the first time ever... I'm feeling bad for Itachi and Kisame. Things might get uglier before they get better for the Akatsuki.
---

For a bit of Naruto Geography... I'll point this out.
If Juugo's lair is where Kimimaro left to take back Sasuke... this would make this current facility very close to where the Sasuke Retrieval Arc occurred...

This means Sasuke is currently about a days journey away from Konoha right now.
This could certainly make things interesting, given where Itachi and Kisame actually are.

If they are going after Naruto again... things could get VERY interesting.

Aijou Kuma
April 28, 2007, 12:02 AM
Awesome chapter...I think it will get even better from here on out! TIS REACHING CLIMAXNESS~~!!!

fremeer
April 28, 2007, 01:48 AM
well how many chapters left in the sasuke arc volume? has it been 8 chapters already? I think we will see more naruto then sasuke soon which is good cause honestly the only thing ive liked about this arc is suigetsu who is funny

Decorus
April 28, 2007, 02:04 AM
Sasuke simply lacks the temperment to kill Itachi, however if Itachi thinks Sasuke has the pinnacle of his development he will kill Sasuke. Suigetsu also is ensuring that Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura show up with his spread the word speech indicating if Kisame dies that he will more then likely turn on Sasuke in a bid to get revenge for Zabuza his sensei. Also his desire to recover the Seven swords indicates a future arc once the Akatsuki arc ends involving the Seven Swordsmen.

If Itachi is intelligent he will simply let Naruto and Sasuke fight it out wearing each other down and then deal with the weakened victor. Also Naruto will survive the release of Kyuubi since its been strongly hinted that breaking the seal will release Kyuubi from Naruto. I don't think the standard extraction technique the Akatsuki use will be effective against Kyuubi's seal especially given thier weakened state of being down 3 rings.
(Unless Kabuto joined them with Orochimaru's ring)

ophidial
April 28, 2007, 03:01 AM
I know everyone thinks of Itachi being Sasuke's problem and Sasuke's problem alone, but has everyone forgotten something? Itachi wants to capture Naruto, and rip Kyuubi out of him, thereby KILLING him. Itachi is everyone's problem, not just Sasuke's.

Because the Akatsuki is after Kyuubi, I can't see Tsunade actually letting Naruto go after Itachi, it'd be too risky. However, because Sasuke is invloved, it might be impossible to keep Naruto from going. Hopefully they'll send a really strong team for this mission which'll include some old favorite characters from arc 1.

i agree, why shouldn't naruto go after someone going after him
and beside if you think about it, on the flipside of naruto butting
into sasuke's business isn't sasuke butting into itachi's business.

i mean itachi wants noting to do with sasuke right now, he only wants
naruto which is practically mirrors sasukes postion.
anyways another great chapter, i just hope that itachi totally
trashes sasuke and rebukes him for having to use such cheap
tactics as curse seal to gain power, and then only to have sasuke saved
by a unkyuubified naruto.

wooticus
April 28, 2007, 03:58 AM
one of the greatest chapters i've seen for a long time.
especially that quote of suigetsu about karin, "you did something to him in the past" makes me want more..

but unfortunately there is one fact in this chapter that makes me a bit unhappy, the whole thing with kimimaro... long time ago as he was ordered to save sasuke from the leaf nins it didn't look like he had the time to talk so anybody greatly.. and moreover it didn't look like kimi, oro and kabuto were in the north hideout! well yes, it could be that juugo wasn't in the north hideout, too, that could be the reason.. but in my opinion this is very near to a logical mistake..

MadDog
April 28, 2007, 04:26 AM
It's possible that Itachi and Kisame are already on the move somewhere in the fire country (or very near it). They're standing at the top of a cliff, overlooking a forrest, which matches the fire country terrain. (I think this is the second time that Kishimoto has shown these two hanging out at the top of cliff, but who cares)

Also, we learned that the Sharingan has yet another unbeleivable power...forcasting the weather.

kadoman
April 28, 2007, 05:33 AM
one of the greatest chapters i've seen for a long time.
especially that quote of suigetsu about karin, "you did something to him in the past" makes me want more..

but unfortunately there is one fact in this chapter that makes me a bit unhappy, the whole thing with kimimaro... long time ago as he was ordered to save sasuke from the leaf nins it didn't look like he had the time to talk so anybody greatly.. and moreover it didn't look like kimi, oro and kabuto were in the north hideout! well yes, it could be that juugo wasn't in the north hideout, too, that could be the reason.. but in my opinion this is very near to a logical mistake..


First of all - totally agree with you re: one of the greatest chapters for a long time, in terms of depth of meaning, for sure.

Re: Suigetsu's comment to Karin about what she did to Sasuke in the past: it's been established now that the line is a tricky one to translate, that translators have different interpretations of this line and that most probably he is referring to her being 'in love with him' since the day they met/for a long time.


EDIT: From Hisshou:


On the subject of what Suigetsu was about to say,

I think my translation is the more accurate way to go, because of the lack of a particle between "mukashi" and "kimi". Literally, it is, "A long time ago, you, to sasuke, [did a verb we don't know]"

Not "Since a long time ago", not, "For a long time now", just "a long time ago." The ambiguity of that line doesn't translate well into english, and hindsight will produce a better translation for that line. I'm regretting not being more liberal and using one of my other ideas, which was, "You've got a secret...something that happened a long time ago...something involving Sasuke." That, in retrospect, conveys that there's something related to Sasuke in KArin's past without commiting to anything.

In fact, I'll change that right now, not that it'll do much good :P

So the line is still disputed! :amuse



I don't understand your problem with the Kimmi flashback though? Could you make it a little clearer what it is that you're unhappy with? :)

wooticus
April 28, 2007, 05:46 AM
ok i try ;-)

I think that as Kimimaro was orderer to help the Sound Four he was not in the same hideout as juugo, so i don't understand how they could talk to each other...

but maybe they were at the same location.. i'm not sure ;-)

kadoman
April 28, 2007, 05:50 AM
Oh, right. Er...I don't think it really matters. That sort of thing doesn't have a bearing on the overall story, though I agree it's probably a bit of a Kishi slip-up.

I think the important thing for us to know is that because of Juugo's relationship with Kimmi, he sees Sasuke as the reincarnation? of Kimmi and that is what causes him to join Sasuke's group.

I think later on down the track, that loyalty that Juugo has to Kimmi (and now has to Sasuke) will have a bearing on the story.

I wouldn't be surprised if Juugo sacrifices his life for Sasuke in order to honour Kimmi.

conan
April 28, 2007, 06:04 AM
I think the important thing for us to know is that because of Juugo's relationship with Kimmi, he sees Sasuke as the reincarnation? of Kimmi and that is what causes him to join Sasuke's group.

I think later on down the track, that loyalty that Juugo has to Kimmi (and now has to Sasuke) will have a bearing on the story.

I wouldn't be surprised if Juugo sacrifices his life for Sasuke in order to honour Kimmi.

yeah, somehow I am seeing this already ending in tragedy for juugo, sasuke is using him, although he gave him the I'm your new prison talk, juugo is very similar to kimimaro and haku, and his relationship with sasuke is similar to hakus to zabuza and kimmimaros to orochimaru, his psyche is also messed up, he is a lot like a jinchuriki and has similarities to garaa, but I still cant see a good ending for him with sasuke, somehow after being used I see tragedy in the end.

ornis
April 28, 2007, 06:05 AM
Sasuke simply lacks the temperment to kill Itachi, however if Itachi thinks Sasuke has the pinnacle of his development he will kill Sasuke. Suigetsu also is ensuring that Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura show up with his spread the word speech indicating if Kisame dies that he will more then likely turn on Sasuke in a bid to get revenge for Zabuza his sensei. Also his desire to recover the Seven swords indicates a future arc once the Akatsuki arc ends involving the Seven Swordsmen.

If Itachi is intelligent he will simply let Naruto and Sasuke fight it out wearing each other down and then deal with the weakened victor. Also Naruto will survive the release of Kyuubi since its been strongly hinted that breaking the seal will release Kyuubi from Naruto. I don't think the standard extraction technique the Akatsuki use will be effective against Kyuubi's seal especially given thier weakened state of being down 3 rings.
(Unless Kabuto joined them with Orochimaru's ring)

I agree. The coming storm will involve Sasuke challenging Naruto to see who can lose to Itachi

Kyuubi's curious keeper, or a misguided fan?

And we may even find Itachi losing the battle but winning the war that's being waged to shape Sasuke's soul.

Sasuke is going to be proudly... "glory-blind"---like Icarus flying disobediently toward the Sun... This is his chance to be free, nearly give birth to a new Sasuke, mentally (It would be a new take on "the sexual libertine," I believe)

Because if Sasuke wins, Naurto ends up screwed to me---he wouldn't have saved his one best friend (Sasuke often expresses how everything that defines Sasuke... is only Sasuke---the defection, his choice to leave Naruto alive, then consume Oro a little carelessly to me)

I am hearing a voice screaming, "My name is Sasuke. I am my own purpose."

Because in order to identify with Sasuke, for the sake of Sasuke's will, determination, and existence, the child has to believe that only "Sasuke has influenced what he has caused Sasuke to become."

The big storm will be the self-denial of his true self, I bet. Unless Kishi wants Sasuke to win himself over as easily as Sasuke won over Juugo.

conan
April 28, 2007, 06:33 AM
I agree. The coming storm will involve Sasuke challenging Naruto to see who can lose to Itachi

Kyuubi's curious keeper, or a misguided fan?

And we may even find Itachi losing the battle but winning the war that's being waged to shape Sasuke's soul.

Sasuke is going to be proudly... "glory-blind"---like Icarus flying disobediently toward the Sun... This is his chance to be free, nearly give birth to a new Sasuke, mentally (It would be a new take on "the sexual libertine," I believe)

Because if Sasuke wins, Naurto ends up screwed to me---he wouldn't have saved his one best friend (Sasuke often expresses how everything that defines Sasuke... is only Sasuke---the defection, his choice to leave Naruto alive, then consume Oro a little carelessly to me)

I am hearing a voice screaming, "My name is Sasuke. I am my own purpose."

Because in order to identify with Sasuke, for the sake of Sasuke's will, determination, and existence, the child has to believe that only "Sasuke has influenced what he has caused Sasuke to become."

The big storm will be the self-denial of his true self, I bet. Unless Kishi wants Sasuke to win himself over as easily as Sasuke won over Juugo.
to tell you the truth, somehow I think its more about itachi this coming arc, his reasons powers weaknesses, why he killed his family and why he joined the akatsuki, I think thats more of what we will see, but maybe after that we might see more of sasuke's mental development like you said.

ornis
April 28, 2007, 06:44 AM
Oh, right. Er...I don't think it really matters. That sort of thing doesn't have a bearing on the overall story, though I agree it's probably a bit of a Kishi slip-up.

I think the important thing for us to know is that because of Juugo's relationship with Kimmi, he sees Sasuke as the reincarnation? of Kimmi and that is what causes him to join Sasuke's group.

I think later on down the track, that loyalty that Juugo has to Kimmi (and now has to Sasuke) will have a bearing on the story.

I wouldn't be surprised if Juugo sacrifices his life for Sasuke in order to honour Kimmi.


yeah, somehow I am seeing this already ending in tragedy for juugo, sasuke is using him, although he gave him the I'm your new prison talk, juugo is very similar to kimimaro and haku, and his relationship with sasuke is similar to hakus to zabuza and kimmimaros to orochimaru, his psyche is also messed up, he is a lot like a jinchuriki and has similarities to garaa, but I still cant see a good ending for him with sasuke, somehow after being used I see tragedy in the end.

Kimimaro died... for Sasuke to be Oro's, while Sasuke was the source of Oro's hope. Remember his words, when he declared to Kabuto his worthlessness: "This is how I show my thanks to Orochimaru-sama. (By retrieving Sasuke)" //Source (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume23big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=28202)//

I think Sasuke has abused Kimi's intent in order to manipulate Juugo with a quite proud and misleading promise.

@ conan Re: Sasuke's Mental development

Oh... the idea gives a pretty distant prediction, doesn't it :D

Oh! When Sasuke faces Itachi, I bet he's gonna hate his life, if he figures Itachi was very good at leading Sasuke and Naruto thus far...

That Itachi's mission was to weather this big storm. Which would likely be an Itachi-review, conan :)

Anybody notice? Itachi looked to be in a trance, almost... and his coat was not as relaxed as Kisame's...

I bet he's silently thrilled!

*That utsuwa---something so vague is probably going to be deeper than Sasuke's blood*

kadoman
April 28, 2007, 06:51 AM
I think Sasuke has abused Kimi's intent in order to manipulate Juugo with a quite proud and misleading promise.



Interesting thought Ornis, but I'm not sure I fully understand your point; would you mind explaining what you mean in a bit more detail? :)

ornis
April 28, 2007, 07:07 AM
Interesting thought Ornis, but I'm not sure I fully understand your point; would you mind explaining what you mean in a bit more detail? :)

Not at all. :)

Orochimaru has been consumed by Sasuke. Either Sasuke, while promising that he will be "the strength that keeps Juugo at bay," will reveal Oro "regaining control" (or being a strong influence on sasuke's character)---or Sasuke just lied to the origin of the Curse Seal.

Kimimaru died for Oro to gain Sasuke. Not for Sasuke to be in control of... Sasuke

Sasuke twisted the moment in his favor.

Arrogant point two. If we tally how he defied Oro with Oro's own seal.

Navri
April 28, 2007, 07:21 AM
i dunno about seeing itachi's backstory just yet. I think Kishimoto will save that during or after whoever fights him. As for the next chapter I'd say it's more likely Team Hebi will seek information in Konoha since they wouldn't have a clue where itachi will be, and this points to Jiraiya.

speaking of itachi, it might be just me, but does anyone think it's a bit early to be exposing itachi? leaving him vulnerable to being killed off? I mean, PART 1 of Naruto took place over a period of about 6 months (give or take) and it feels like PART 2 has only been going for 3 months MAX; so it feels a bit like the story is rushing to fit all these big events within a small period of time in which case, it seems like itachi isn't being "delivered" to us as a grand event like when we first heard about him a few years ago.

To me this feels like, exposing the entire backstory of the Yondaimé straight away, when people like them should be concluded near the end of the series. Think about it, if Sasuke fights and kills itachi, what purpose is left for him? The only reason people liked sasuke was because he was this badass character who wanted to live beyond the intense shadow cast by his older, more talented big brother, and to take his brother away, is to shed a part of sasuke character that we as fans really like.

just my thoughts anyway.

4ghost
April 28, 2007, 09:28 AM
What the hell with Naruto going after Itachi, a man that he doesn't even know. Kishi is desperate to make sasuke the bad guy and if by any chance team 7 get to kill or hurt Itachi to the point that he is unable to fight at his best, sasuke is definitely going to go after Naruto for revenge. Kinda disappointing how lame and sad naruto obsession of Sasuke has turn out to be. Naruto is going to destroy Sasuke's dream for what? Do you really call that friendship. Is Naruto ever planning on becoming a hokage?


i completely agree with u manga_freaky

its just ridiculous, naruto needs to get a life of his own and but out of sasukes business. i've been telling ppl this for a long time now and nobody wanted to beleive me.

its so sad sasuke is in support of naruto's dream to become hokage yet naruto wont let sasuke be to handle his business.


Agreed, a good friend should know when to butt out. Even jiraiya knew that he shouldnt interfere with Sauske v. Itachi untill Sauske was incapacitated. Naruto needs to take care of his own affairs for awhile and stop stalking sauske. If he wants to go after akatsuki, fine, but do it because they're coming after you, not because ur friends brother is there.
I at first thought a little like that too. However if you think back to the very first thing that Sasuke did to really piss Naruto off then Naruto's reasoning makes complete sense. If you don't remember then this should help.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3618/narutoch218p12za9.th.png (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=narutoch218p12za9.png) http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8537/narutoch218p14fd4.th.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=narutoch218p14fd4.png)

Also don't disillusion yourself into thinking that Sasuke keeps them uninvolved because he wants to protect them. Although there may be some truth to that, he is ultimately saying that the Will of Fire, the Konoha Shinobi and the way of the Leaf are all useless and weak. It is this continued dissrespect of the Konoha Shinobi, his nakama, and those bonds that Naruto is most incenssed about.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6753/narutoch218p17nr7.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=narutoch218p17nr7.png) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/103/fbondsig6.th.png (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbondsig6.png)

Naruto has no problem with Sasuke's goal, it's just that he has a problem with Sasuke's continuosly wreckless methods while disregarding an invaluable resource. Sasuke single handidly going after Akatsuki just further infuriates Naruto, because it means he is once again looking down on Konoha. If Naruto were to find out that Sasuke had a team, although releaved, he would be more upset because it is once again a slight at the Leaf. More than anything Naruto wants to show Sasuke just what the importance of bonds are and where real strength comes from.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3902/sintentionot5.th.png (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sintentionot5.png)

Matter of fact it was Sasukes words that showed/reminded Naruto where real strength comes from. Ironically it was in part because of that time that Sasuke began to lose focus on what is most important for a Shinobi. Naruto is likely just trying to return the favor so that Sasuke can again understand where that true strength comes from.

Whenever and if ever that happens Sasuke will probably have a flash back to that time where Naruto realized what true strength is.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9051/truestrengthjr7.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=truestrengthjr7.jpg)

"I thought he was strong because he survived that solitude fighting only for himself... But I was wrong.... His strength isn't real... Strength doesn't come from fighting alone.... Real strength is not what you have when fighting only for yourself..." You can almost hear those words being directed to Sasuke.

Sasuke may finally realize what Naruto's unfinished sentence was leading to. If you look at it like this it would appear that Kishimoto was setting this up from the beginning. Especially considering how those words Naruto said about Gaara's supposed strength back then fit Sasuke's current philosophy almost perfectly.

MadDog
April 28, 2007, 09:31 AM
^ Very well said!


I'd say it's more likely Team Hebi will seek information in Konoha since they wouldn't have a clue where itachi will be, and this points to Jiraiya.

While I think that the upcoming battle will ultimately take place in the fire country, it would be quite bold of Sasuke to seek out Jiraiya for information on Itachi/Akatsuki. This is for a couple of reasons. First, Sasuke's status is that of a missing-nin. Folks still love the kid, but there's no way Jiraiya would just let him walk. Second, Karin's shown the ability to track/locate an individual's presence in a crowd. It remains to be seen if her power can work over vast distances, but she's shaping up to be some sort of "ninja cerebro" (the machine used in the x-men to locate mutants). Sasuke most likely recruited her with this purpose in mind.

kadoman
April 28, 2007, 10:22 AM
@4Ghost

Marvellous! Bravo! Should be stickied. :amuse

I hope that through your thoughtful explanation people will stop judging the characters as they would judge themselves in the same situation (Naruto should butt out, cos that's what I would do/think ought to happen) and instead, see what it is that Kishi is trying to accomplish and what he has set out to achieve since the beginning of the manga.

Kishi has an overall message, a theme that underpins the manga that he gradually makes obvious via these characters, which is why sometimes they do things that we, the readers, object to, or can't understand, because they've got a specific role to play, a specific purpose to serve.

Sometimes it's hard for us to know their purpose because, well, we're not the author. I think it's just about now, after 7 years, that we can finally look back on all that's happened and start to piece together the bits and pieces and make sense of them.

Once again, great post 4Ghost!

llamapie
April 28, 2007, 10:28 AM
Actually I think thats why sasuke had karin come along. As she showed when finding juugo's cell in that maze.. Granted it could have been simple knowledge of the lay-out but I think she's an ultimate tracker type.

kadoman
April 28, 2007, 10:37 AM
Not at all. :)

Orochimaru has been consumed by Sasuke. Either Sasuke, while promising that he will be "the strength that keeps Juugo at bay," will reveal Oro "regaining control" (or being a strong influence on sasuke's character)---or Sasuke just lied to the origin of the Curse Seal.

Kimimaru died for Oro to gain Sasuke. Not for Sasuke to be in control of... Sasuke

Sasuke twisted the moment in his favor.

Arrogant point two. If we tally how he defied Oro with Oro's own seal.

Er...I think I'm having a dumb moment. :XD I still don't get how Sasuke promising to restrain Juugo (be his prison) is lying to him.

Sasuke will have to be Juugo's prison if he wants Juugo's help and not total chaos every hour, or so. I don't think he has an ulterior motive other than the one he has already stated - he wants to kill Itachi.

Juugo has no ulterior motive other than to find out what's so great about the boy Kimmi gave his life for.

Um...Sasuke twisted the moment in his favour...yeah. Isn't that what you'd expect though?

Sorry for not understanding! :wtf

Remus
April 28, 2007, 11:39 AM
I suppose what Sasuke meant when he said I will be your prison, is that he will keep him under control using Genjutsu. It's what works fastest against those types of shinobi.

richtoyz
April 28, 2007, 11:48 AM
4ghost

that is the level of insight that is needed to understand kishi whole motive for creating naruto

the very things that has made and sustain konoha thru the years and wars, that as a group u have a better chance of prospering simply because different members r able to complement each other by using ones strenth to cover the other's weakness

nuruto's wind while it can overcome lightening can also used to fan a flame and make it bigger
its how u use your strenghts for the benefit of the whole and not the individual

conan
April 28, 2007, 11:50 AM
I suppose what Sasuke meant when he said I will be your prison, is that he will keep him under control using Genjutsu. It's what works fastest against those types of shinobi.
it could be anything, I mean kimimaro wasn't a genjutsu type of guy, but if genjutsu would really work then couldn't sasuke have used it from the beginning, or maybe he didn't want to
decieve juugo in to coming up with him, I dont know, what I know was when sasuke had the snakes from his sleeves wrap both juugo and suigetsu with the suggestion he killed them both, juugo got calm and the cursed seal effect withdrawed, so generally I think he just meant he was able to handle juugo when others were overpowered by him, not much more.

lordHokage
April 28, 2007, 12:21 PM
Not at all. :)

Orochimaru has been consumed by Sasuke. Either Sasuke, while promising that he will be "the strength that keeps Juugo at bay," will reveal Oro "regaining control" (or being a strong influence on sasuke's character)---or Sasuke just lied to the origin of the Curse Seal.

Kimimaru died for Oro to gain Sasuke. Not for Sasuke to be in control of... Sasuke

Sasuke twisted the moment in his favor.

Arrogant point two. If we tally how he defied Oro with Oro's own seal.

I concur with your thoughts. Orochimaru is manipulating team Snake aka whatever in his favor, and Karin sense his chakra. :amuse

richtoyz
April 28, 2007, 12:33 PM
I concur with your thoughts. Orochimaru is manipulating team Snake aka whatever in his favor, and Karin sense his chakra. :amuse

that thought is just wishfull thinking sasuke is in full control, oro wil probably just b a foot note from now on, get use to it

Fibrizio
April 28, 2007, 02:31 PM
Good chapter. Quite usual the ending like "the opening for a great battle", but I don't believe it would be so easy find Itachi.

manga_freaky
April 28, 2007, 02:36 PM
I don't agree with you. What relation does Naruto and Itachi have? Just because Itachi was assigned to get Naruto doesn't mean he and Naruto are enemy because just like kisame and any aka member, Naruto is just a prey. When oro was dead Naruto laughed but when it comes to Itachi he gets serious. Btw can anyone explain to me why Naruto wants Sasuke back so bad? What is he going to do to him?

Remus
April 28, 2007, 03:49 PM
I don't agree with you. What relation does Naruto and Itachi have? Just because Itachi was assigned to get Naruto doesn't mean he and Naruto are enemy because just like kisame and any aka member, Naruto is just a prey. When oro was dead Naruto laughed but when it comes to Itachi he gets serious. Btw can anyone explain to me why Naruto wants Sasuke back so bad? What is he going to do to him?

Wouldn't you want your best friend back if he just leaves you to go on on his own ? It's not right. Best friends stick together forever and do things together but since Sasuke is an arrogant whiner he just left to gain power on his own.
Man I hope Itachi gives him another Tsukiyomi torture show. What was it Kakashi said in part 1 ? Those who break the rules are trash but those who abandon their friends are even worse. Now thats what we got for Sasuke.

Itachi for the W I N !!!

body flicker
April 28, 2007, 04:35 PM
Wouldn't you want your best friend back if he just leaves you to go on on his own ? It's not right. Best friends stick together forever and do things together but since Sasuke is an arrogant whiner he just left to gain power on his own.
Man I hope Itachi gives him another Tsukiyomi torture show. What was it Kakashi said in part 1 ? Those who break the rules are trash but those who abandon their friends are even worse. Now thats what we got for Sasuke.

Itachi for the W I N !!!

it's totaly diffrent sasuke did abandon his friends but thier lives were not in danger like rin's was ;)

and i agree at this point naruto should leave sasuke alone and worry about himself. orochimaru is out of the picture right now and sasuke is not in dager of having his body taken over.

i hope jirayia and tsunade tell naruto no because he needs to be told that the fight between sasuke and itachi is none of his Business :amuse

conan
April 28, 2007, 05:00 PM
it's totaly diffrent sasuke did abandon his friends but thier lives were not in danger like rin's was ;)

and i agree at this point naruto should leave sasuke alone and worry about himself. orochimaru is out of the picture right now and sasuke is not in dager of having his body taken over.

i hope jirayia and tsunade tell naruto no because he needs to be told that the fight between sasuke and itachi is none of his Business :amuse

well people have been saying naruto should mind his own business all day, so 4ghost answered that in the best in the page before this, which is page 17 of this discussion thread.

also even if tsunade and jiraiya try to stop him, tell me the last time they succeeded in stopping naruto from doing what he wants, even if they disagreed he will either convince them with his conviction or force his way out, thats what he has always been doing in part one.

kadoman
April 28, 2007, 05:08 PM
Link to 4ghost's post (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=378557#post378557)

lordHokage
April 28, 2007, 10:10 PM
4ghost and Kadoman, your Naruto interfering posts Kishimoto would be so proud. It was outstanding, well said. :wtf



that thought is just wishfull thinking sasuke is in full control, oro wil probably just b a foot note from now on, get use to it

My thought is supported by the facts, your thought is wishful thinking. :eyeroll

body flicker
April 28, 2007, 11:01 PM
well people have been saying naruto should mind his own business all day, so 4ghost answered that in the best in the page before this, which is page 17 of this discussion thread.

also even if tsunade and jiraiya try to stop him, tell me the last time they succeeded in stopping naruto from doing what he wants, even if they disagreed he will either convince them with his conviction or force his way out, thats what he has always been doing in part one.yeah i read it and he made some good points but i still think that right now naruto needs to butt out :tem


4ghost and Kadoman, your Naruto interfering posts Kishimoto would be so proud. It was outstanding, well said. :wtf




My thought is supported by the facts, your thought is wishful thinking. :eyeroll what are your facts ? and dont say sasuke did a snake jutsu so that means oro still has an influnce on him.

because if u forgot he's been training with him for over 2 years and it could posibly be the first jutsu oro teacches all his student since anko knows it to ;)

but really u should get over the orochimaru thing he's gone now and he wont be comming back for a while. If kishi even decides to bring him back

lordHokage
April 28, 2007, 11:46 PM
yeah i read it and he made some good points but i still think that right now naruto needs to butt out :tem

what are your facts ? and dont say sasuke did a snake jutsu so that means oro still has an influnce on him.

because if u forgot he's been training with him for over 2 years and it could posibly be the first jutsu oro teacches all his student since anko knows it to ;)

but really u should get over the orochimaru thing he's gone now and he wont be comming back for a while. If kishi even decides to bring him back

Please direct me to that specific chapter where it stated Orochimaru taught Sasuke his Hidden Shadow Snake Hand jutsu. :Haha

body flicker
April 29, 2007, 12:19 AM
Please direct me to that specific chapter where it stated Orochimaru taught Sasuke his Hidden Shadow Snake Hand jutsu. :Haha
it wasnt stated its just a possibility that makes more sense than u or someone else saying he only did it because orochimaru was inside of him

lordHokage
April 29, 2007, 12:40 AM
it wasnt stated its just a possibility that makes more sense than u or someone else saying he only did it because orochimaru was inside of him

Without the facts, there are always fictions. :p

Bling
April 29, 2007, 01:05 AM
Even if oro didn teach him, sasuke could have copied it with sharingan...people there are some things that do not need to be explained...its a fact: Sharingan can copy jutsu, naruto goes berserk in 4 tails etc etc no reason to over react...

Decorus
April 29, 2007, 01:52 AM
Sharigan don't actually copy jutsu its an overstating of thier ability if you don't know that then please go read Zabuza's explanation of how Sharingan work. They allow the user to memorize the seals used or the movements of a person's body, but they don't see a jutsu and instantly learn the jutsu. In reality what Kakashi did was use a genjutsu to influence Zabuza into saying what he wanted and using the jutsu he wanted him to use making it appear like he was copying everything Zabuza was doing and finishing Zabuza's sentences.

However considering Sasuke was learning an entire arsenal of Jutsu its more likely then not he learned many of Orochimaru's signature moves. Especially given Sasuke's reason for killing Orochimaru was there was nothing more Orochimaru could teach him. (Common sense dictates that means he learned every jutsu Orochimaru knew.)

Naruto however may no longer go berserk when he goes 4 tailed as his abilities have grown significantly in a variety of areas after his 38 year training to learn Rasenshuriken.

IgnorantSage
April 29, 2007, 02:05 AM
Please direct me to that specific chapter where it stated Orochimaru taught Sasuke his Hidden Shadow Snake Hand jutsu. :Haha

Hmmm... Anko can do snake jutsus.
OMFG! Anko must also be possessed by Orochimaru!

Logical? No.

Athena
April 29, 2007, 02:48 AM
Can somebody please explain to me how on earth Naruto is planning to fight itachi? Maybe i should put it this way, what has naruto accomplished in this couple of years(including his latest training) that makes him capable of fighting Itachi or Kisame? Speed, jutsu, battle plans or perhaps his cockiness?
It’s too early for him to even think about such battles. I'm not even sure what he should do from now on, he crushed all my expectations by achieving nothing in almost 3 years. More nothing from him won't do any good to anybody.

Decorus
April 29, 2007, 03:11 AM
What makes people think that Itachi will actually be able to defeat Naruto?

Naruto defeated Kakuzu in short order using a single technique for all we know Kakuzu could beat Itachi blindfolded with both arms tied behind his back using his tongue as his only weapon.

The assumption that Itachi is stronger then either Naruto or Sasuke at this point might be the incorrect assumption. You do know what they say about people who make assumptions.

Personally I have never understood the theory that Itachi is the end all powerhouse of the Narutoverse.

Is he strong, sure but why is it that if the Uchiha were really that strong there are other ninja villages still standing?

For all of Itachi's supposed might he becomes more and more ineffective the greater the numbers thrown at him. His chakra capacity is inadequete for a long term fight and his greatest techniques are useless against Kage Bushin. Remember Genjutsu won't work on shadow clones and the Moon is just as ineffective. All Naruto has to do is stay out of sight at a distance tossing shadow clone after shadow clone to wear down Itachi's chakra and he will win. Thats just Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, Sai and Sasuke's snake team further whittle down the odds of Itachi and Kisame surviving.

Naruto has surpassed Kakashi in terms of power thats what makes him capable of defeating Itachi.

MadDog
April 29, 2007, 03:53 AM
What makes people think that Itachi will actually be able to defeat Naruto?

There's a whole list of reasons why Itachi would mop the floor with Naruto's yellow spiked head. But, the argument can be summed up into one word: Speed.

Not only that, he's a speed triple threat being able to move, execute jutsus and plan his strategy before most people realize what has happened.

However, where Naruto should really be afraid of Itachi is obviously the various doujutsu traps, for which he only has the most basic defense techniques (ie, no chance).

Naruto is definetly strong, however, his best move requires the target to fall for some trickery which would easily be seen through by Itachi. I doubt that Tsunade will allow Naruto to go hunting Akatsuki. Most likely that fight will be coming to him as Itachi/Kisame finally decide to take the Kyubi.

I'd keep going, but I'd risk sounding like an Itachi fanboy (which is not even remotely the case).

conan
April 29, 2007, 05:41 AM
well since when has naruto fought with someone evenly, its like you guys never read naruto, this is a continuation for part one, since the start, zabuza, haku, orchimaru in the forest, neji, garaa fully loaded, the akatsuki incident, kabuto the sound four and sasuke, since part wo I dont think I need to go through he fought, sure naruto isnt at itachi's level yet but since when did that stop him, also he is powerful right now, and his use of kage bunshin could make his survival much more sure, doesnt itachi use the same methos, naruto can use more, itachi can make them faster, why cant naruto fight with itachi, what is the reason that would make so weak he couldnt face itachi, he faced kakuzu head on didnt he?

well thats what I am thinking, dont know about you guys.

kadoman
April 29, 2007, 05:49 AM
Good discussion going on guys, but just a reminder to watch how you word things, so we don't upset people or get into bashing - in particular, saying things along the lines of, 'Go back and read the manga' or anything beginning with 'You should [think my way]' is bound to get people riled.

Please avoid using those phrases.

Sephy7KillerMech
April 29, 2007, 08:32 AM
Itachi beat the (arguably) strongest clan in Konoha. To say beat is an understatement. He massacred them and sustained no injuries that we know of. He even had enough Chakra reserved to mess with his lil brothers head. On top of all this he accomplished it (apparently) without alerting the rest of konoha and he escaped without capture.

Phew. that's a lot of work for one night!

Itachi is ridiculous. The clan leader, his father, must have at least been moderately strong to be the captain of the police force in Konoha.

I don't think going into how strong Itachi is or isn't will help much. I think Kishimoto has intentionally separated most of the ninja for a reason and judging how powerful people are is going to become difficult again.

Remus
April 29, 2007, 08:53 AM
Itachi beat the (arguably) strongest clan in Konoha. To say beat is an understatement. He massacred them and sustained no injuries that we know of. He even had enough Chakra reserved to mess with his lil brothers head. On top of all this he accomplished it (apparently) without alerting the rest of konoha and he escaped without capture.

Phew. that's a lot of work for one night!

Itachi is ridiculous. The clan leader, his father, must have at least been moderately strong to be the captain of the police force in Konoha.

I don't think going into how strong Itachi is or isn't will help much. I think Kishimoto has intentionally separated most of the ninja for a reason and judging how powerful people are is going to become difficult again.

Well the thing is. No Uchiha was near Itachis level. Or did you see any Uchihas having MS ? I dont. And thats the little difference here. The stronger ones just fell prey to MS and he kicked the ass of the platoon which came to question him about the suicide of his best friend. There was no Uchiha who could fight Itachi so dont make such a big fuss out of it. The Uchihas arent the top Shinobis. Maybe there is a clan with an even fierce Bloodline limit.
You guys make so much out of Itachi that you actually forget, that he is just a sidekick that will be dealed with very soon. This Manga is about Naruto, Sasukes goals are just a side story and gets so much attention because he is involved in Narutos life. Also do you think Itachi would follow the Akatsuki if there isnt something that would satisfy his hunger for power ?
Itachi is at least below the level of the Leader and that's a fact. I never saw Itachi as the main villain as he really isnt one. He is just a sidekick like Orochimaru who longs for more power and maybe immortality but that's all. Funny how people loose track of the real villains when someone cunning appears. Well if Kishi wants to let Sasuke achieve his goal and I'm sure he wants, then we will soon see Itachi getting serious as much as Sasuke. Naruto will maybe interfere but he would do better not too. Let's just hope we see some nice fighting so people can fall into oblivion seeing Sasuke and Itachi fight. And then after that I can enjoy the manga again when the Akatsuki proceed.

kadoman
April 29, 2007, 09:37 AM
Remus, I just have to jump in and say that it is not a fact that Itachi is one or any number of levels below or above AL. We don't know.

We don't know how AL keeps control of his band of weirdos. It may be through force (in which case, there is a strong argument then for his being the strongest out of the lot) but he may not use force. He may use some other form of manipulation to control them, whether it be through promises, bargaining, negotiation or heck, just because they love him. :amuse

Just had to make that point.

Remus
April 29, 2007, 10:19 AM
I know what you mean Kado but I didnt said that he controls them by using force. They are following them out of their free will. He doesnt need to control them but he needed to convince them that he is capable of getting the world under his control and that they had to proof him that they are worthy of joining. So it's natural that I assume that he got the "balls".

I SO want to link that statement to something yaoi! :XD

manga_freaky
April 29, 2007, 10:34 AM
I at first thought a little like that too. However if you think back to the very first thing that Sasuke did to really piss Naruto off then Naruto's reasoning makes complete sense. If you don't remember then this should help.

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Also don't disillusion yourself into thinking that Sasuke keeps them uninvolved because he wants to protect them. Although there may be some truth to that, he is ultimately saying that the Will of Fire, the Konoha Shinobi and the way of the Leaf are all useless and weak. It is this continued dissrespect of the Konoha Shinobi, his nakama, and those bonds that Naruto is most incenssed about.

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Naruto has no problem with Sasuke's goal, it's just that he has a problem with Sasuke's continuosly wreckless methods while disregarding an invaluable resource. Sasuke single handidly going after Akatsuki just further infuriates Naruto, because it means he is once again looking down on Konoha. If Naruto were to find out that Sasuke had a team, although releaved, he would be more upset because it is once again a slight at the Leaf. More than anything Naruto wants to show Sasuke just what the importance of bonds are and where real strength comes from.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/3902/sintentionot5.th.png (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sintentionot5.png)

Matter of fact it was Sasukes words that showed/reminded Naruto where real strength comes from. Ironically it was in part because of that time that Sasuke began to lose focus on what is most important for a Shinobi. Naruto is likely just trying to return the favor so that Sasuke can again understand where that true strength comes from.

Whenever and if ever that happens Sasuke will probably have a flash back to that time where Naruto realized what true strength is.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9051/truestrengthjr7.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=truestrengthjr7.jpg)

"I thought he was strong because he survived that solitude fighting only for himself... But I was wrong.... His strength isn't real... Strength doesn't come from fighting alone.... Real strength is not what you have when fighting only for yourself..." You can almost hear those words being directed to Sasuke.

Sasuke may finally realize what Naruto's unfinished sentence was leading to. If you look at it like this it would appear that Kishimoto was setting this up from the beginning. Especially considering how those words Naruto said about Gaara's supposed strength back then fit Sasuke's current philosophy almost perfectly.
I can understand the disagreement over the fighting alone and sasuke disregarding konoha's help but let me tell you Konoha is weak and that is fact. Just because Lee and the hyuga have some unique jutsus doesn't mean that they are strong. Do not take the accident with kakuzu in consideration when measuring Aka's member of oro, itachi and even sasori.
Another point about the whole konoha way of ninja. Itachi killed his clan what 6 years? and konoha did nothing to support even sasuke or the least track down Itachi for his crime. And now that the sole survivor decide to avenge His Parents, His family they butt in talking about friendship. Those are excuses. I can't seriously imagine what sasuke had to go throught after loosing everything, Damn there is noone left to call parent or the least relative. And you have naruto talking about he being with Iruka sensei feels like being with his parent, is that a joke? For crying out loud Naruto doesn't even know what it means to lose someone, cause he never had someone to beginning with.
My final question i guess is what exactly naruto trying accomplish here? Why does he want sasuke so bad by his side? Is he doing it for sakura or for himself? and why now Itachi, (I just don't get that) why not kisame who almost cut off his arms?

Bling
April 29, 2007, 10:50 AM
Sharigan don't actually copy jutsu its an overstating of thier ability if you don't know that then please go read Zabuza's explanation of how Sharingan work. They allow the user to memorize the seals used or the movements of a person's body, but they don't see a jutsu and instantly learn the jutsu. In reality what Kakashi did was use a genjutsu to influence Zabuza into saying what he wanted and using the jutsu he wanted him to use making it appear like he was copying everything Zabuza was doing and finishing Zabuza's sentences.

However considering Sasuke was learning an entire arsenal of Jutsu its more likely then not he learned many of Orochimaru's signature moves. Especially given Sasuke's reason for killing Orochimaru was there was nothing more Orochimaru could teach him. (Common sense dictates that means he learned every jutsu Orochimaru knew.)

Naruto however may no longer go berserk when he goes 4 tailed as his abilities have grown significantly in a variety of areas after his 38 year training to learn Rasenshuriken.

Umm isnt memorizing the first part in copying/learning? also dont forget that sasuke is a genius better than itachi + oro meaning that he can memorize much faster and apply those things and start training them really fast (you can go read chuunin exam arc if you want :amuse...and the part where sasuke defeated all those ninjas...ok?)

Naruto is not going to use kyuubi for a long time im sure about that...he right now tries to prove to everyone that himself alone, without using kyuubi, is a strong ninja...

@manga_freaky: dont forget that naruto thinks of sasuke as his brother...and that he is of the mentality: you hurt him, i kill you...as simple as that...Naruto is a pretty basic character in my opinion:XD

Egoboo
April 29, 2007, 10:59 AM
I can understand the disagreement over the fighting alone and sasuke disregarding konoha's help but let me tell you Konoha is weak and that is fact. Just because Lee and the hyuga have some unique jutsus doesn't mean that they are strong. Do not take the accident with kakuzu in consideration when measuring Aka's member of oro, itachi and even sasori.

Weak? I see...guess the mangaka listed Konoha as one of the 5 strongest Shinobi villages in the world just for the heck of a good laugh? Plain Irony on Kishimoto´s part, eh?



Another point about the whole konoha way of ninja. Itachi killed his clan what 6 years? and konoha did nothing to support even sasuke or the least track down Itachi for his crime. And now that the sole survivor decide to avenge His Parents, His family they butt in talking about friendship. Those are excuses. I can't seriously imagine what sasuke had to go throught after loosing everything, Damn there is noone left to call parent or the least relative. And you have naruto talking about he being with Iruka sensei feels like being with his parent, is that a joke? For crying out loud Naruto doesn't even know what it means to lose someone, cause he never had someone to beginning with.

1. We have absolutely no information about the way Sasuke spent his childhood years in Konoha after the Uchiha massacre. He could have been in an orphanage or his own little shack (paid by the village for example) just like Naruto. This aspect was never clearly discussed by Kishimoto, so everything about that is just speculation and not fact.
2. Said sole survivor decided to go against the law of the village that kept him alive his entire life, fighting his own comrades and running of to hide and train with one of Konoha´s worst enemies. Guess you could call that ungrateful and maybe even treason.
3. Your outlook on Naruto´s relationship with Iruka (and henceforth with Sasuke and everyone else he holds dear) is what Sasuke said during the fight at the Valley of the End. That doesn´t exactly make it correct, though...it´s arguable whether or not one can grow to love a person as some sort of foster parent or "fake" brother as much as a real family. I do believe it´s possible and henceforth Naruto experienced the same type of loss Sasuke did when said Uchiha decided to run off. You don´t, and i suppose it´s hard or even impossible to come to an agreement with that kind of huge differences in opinion.



My final question i guess is what exactly naruto trying accomplish here? Why does he want sasuke so bad by his side? Is he doing it for sakura or for himself? and why now Itachi, (I just don't get that) why not kisame who almost cut off his arms?
He is trying to convince Sasuke that fighting alongside those who hold him (sasuke) dear and living with them will ultimately make him stronger than trying to do everything on his own.
He is not going after Kisame because he
a) not a selfish and lusting-for-revenge brat (unlike someone else we know...)
b) his goal is to meet Sasuke again and convince him...Sasuke looks for Itachi, Naruto looks for Itachi, possibility of meeting successfully increased by 100%

body flicker
April 29, 2007, 11:03 AM
Umm isnt memorizing the first part in copying/learning? also dont forget that sasuke is a genius better than itachi + oro meaning that he can memorize much faster and apply those things and start training them really fast (you can go read chuunin exam arc if you want :amuse...and the part where sasuke defeated all those ninjas...ok?)

Naruto is not going to use kyuubi for a long time im sure about that...he right now tries to prove to everyone that himself alone, without using kyuubi, is a strong ninja...

@manga_freaky: dont forget that naruto thinks of sasuke as his brother...and that he is of the mentality: you hurt him, i kill you...as simple as that...Naruto is a pretty basic character in my opinion:XD
well he's not better than itachi just yet...amd naruto still uses kyubi i think he just dosent want to go into tail form anymore ^^

@ manga_fraky i dont understand and agree with everything you said but it sounds like you think that at this point naruto should worry about himself and not sasuke. then i agree with that part:D

@Egoboo so now that sasuke wants to fight/kill itachi for killing the whole clan by himself sasuke's being selfish ? and naruto isnt tring to convince sasuke to any of those things he wants to help. what u have there is purly speculation

Egoboo
April 29, 2007, 11:21 AM
@Egoboo so now that sasuke wants to fight/kill itachi for killing the whole clan by himself sasuke's being selfish ? and naruto isnt tring to convince sasuke to any of those things he wants to help. what u have there is purly speculation

Uhm...i would call "running off from everyone who loves you, ignoring the feelings of everyone who cared about you and using everyone you meet as long as they help you achieve your goals" pretty selfish, yuppediyup. Seeking revenge is not selfish (stupid, maybe, but certainly not selfish), doing it this way however is.
And isn´t helping Sasuke to defeat Itachi through the strength of the bond Naruto has with Sasuke (that is: how much he is willing to give to fight for Sasuke) and convincing him that fighting with those you have bonds with is what makes true strength the same thing? Showing Sasuke that thanks to the bonds he has and the strength these give him was what enabled Naruto to become strong enough to help Sasuke fight Itachi? (and thereby maybe convincing him that doing the same as Naruto would make Sasuke much stronger than his own path right now?)
Maybe i didn´t manage to make myself clear... =/
Edit: (damn it, forgot that again >_>) I do agree that Naruto should indeed start worrying about himself a bit more. Sasuke needs to realize his mistakes in a drastic way, and maybe getting his ass kicked by his brother once again would do the trick. However, i think that Naruto would want to and should be around to collect the (metaphorical) remains/rescue him from certain death/be ready to help him if Sasuke decides to approach Naruto for that. (the last one is quite unlikely, i admit)

kadoman
April 29, 2007, 11:27 AM
Just echoing Egoboo's comment - at some point, some of us have to just agree to disagree, you know?

Some of us are looking at these characters and their motivations from a very personal point of view (I guess, what other view is there, really?) and simply cannot fathom why Naruto or Sasuke do the things they do because, well, some of us wouldn't act like that and can't imagine anyone else acting like that either.

I don't always agree with the way Naruto and Sasuke go about things either, but I (think) I can see what Kishi is trying to say by making them go this way.

Still, it makes for really good discussion all the same and just goes to show how our own life experiences shape our opinions and how different they all are! If it generates this much discussion, Kishi has done his job! :D

body flicker
April 29, 2007, 11:39 AM
Uhm...i would call "running off from everyone who loves you, ignoring the feelings of everyone who cared about you and using everyone you meet as long as they help you achieve your goals" pretty selfish, yuppediyup. Seeking revenge is not selfish (stupid, maybe, but certainly not selfish), doing it this way however is.
And isn´t helping Sasuke to defeat Itachi through the strength of the bond Naruto has with Sasuke (that is: how much he is willing to give to fight for Sasuke) and convincing him that fighting with those you have bonds with is what makes true strength the same thing? Showing Sasuke that thanks to the bonds he has and the strength these give him was what enabled Naruto to become strong enough to help Sasuke fight Itachi? (and thereby maybe convincing him that doing the same as Naruto would make Sasuke much stronger than his own path right now?)
Maybe i didn´t manage to make myself clear... =/well...have you ever considered the fact that sasuke left the leaf and naruto behind so he wouldt put thier lives in danger

mainly due to the fact that to become stronger than itachi he has to kill naruto for the MS
oh and who did sasuke meet that he used just to achieve his goals besides orochimau (who got what he deserved) ?

and u never know his true strength might be the fact that he dosent want to kill naruto to beat itachi because obviously he still thinks about him :amuse

raven09
April 29, 2007, 11:46 AM
You guys make so much out of Itachi that you actually forget, that he is just a sidekick that will be dealed with very soon. This Manga is about Naruto, Sasukes goals are just a side story and gets so much attention because he is involved in Narutos life. Also do you think Itachi would follow the Akatsuki if there isnt something that would satisfy his hunger for power ?
Itachi is at least below the level of the Leader and that's a fact. I never saw Itachi as the main villain as he really isnt one. He is just a sidekick like Orochimaru who longs for more power and maybe immortality but that's all.

I disagree, remus.. you are missing out on a very important point.. that Naruto's story is very much about the Uchiha clan.. since they can control the Kyuubi;s power. This makes itachi a special villian who alone, alongwith sasuke knows the history around this. This makes it the main plot. Now all that is left to reveal is how the AL fits into this plot...

conan
April 29, 2007, 11:51 AM
Just echoing Egoboo's comment - at some point, some of us have to just agree to disagree, you know?

Some of us are looking at these characters and their motivations from a very personal point of view (I guess, what other view is there, really?) and simply cannot fathom why Naruto or Sasuke do the things they do because, well, some of us wouldn't act like that and can't imagine anyone else acting like that either.

I don't always agree with the way Naruto and Sasuke go about things either, but I (think) I can see what Kishi is trying to say by making them go this way.

Still, it makes for really good discussion all the same and just goes to show how our own life experiences shape our opinions and how different they all are! If it generates this much discussion, Kishi has done his job! :D

I second that, and like I said before, the greates thing about last chapter is it opens tons of possibilities, its been a long time since that happened in naruto, no one really knows whats going to happen next.
its a chapter that might shape the next story arc of naruto and many others to come.

Aijou Kuma
April 29, 2007, 11:51 AM
This chapter...was like really...odd, in a good way though XD

Egoboo
April 29, 2007, 12:15 PM
well...have you ever considered the fact that sasuke left the leaf and naruto behind so he wouldt put thier lives in danger

mainly due to the fact that to become stronger than itachi he has to kill naruto for the MS
oh and who did sasuke meet that he used just to achieve his goals besides orochimau (who got what he deserved) ?

and u never know his true strength might be the fact that he dosent want to kill naruto to beat itachi because obviously he still thinks about him :amuse

Sasuke didn´t seem to have that much of a problem with "putting" Naruto´s life in danger in the Valley of the End. One could of course argue that this was just a fake to make Naruto falter and just let Sasuke go...hm i don´t think so, but both POV got good arguments after all =/ There could be that "not to endanger them"-aspect in Sasuke nowadays, but it certainly wasn´t there when he left.
I don´t think the only way to surpass Itachi is to activate the MS through killing one´s best friend...Kakashi got his in another way, obviously...who knows how many ways there really are? Attaining it through excessive build-up of bonds and deep trust with someone else to an extremely high level?
Hm...just as Kadoman said: a lot of my opinions are based on my own experiences and i do not always agree with the way Naruto or Sasuke act. For example Naruto´s extreme obsession with finding Sasuke is starting to get on my nerves since he seems to have forgotten about anything else that ever mattered to him. I understand why he wants to act the way he does, but i do not approve of the way he refuses to let go, if even a little.
Stubborn bastard after all, isn´t he?

MadDog
April 29, 2007, 12:19 PM
well since when has naruto fought with someone evenly, its like you guys never read naruto, this is a continuation for part one, since the start, zabuza, haku, orchimaru in the forest, neji, garaa fully loaded, the akatsuki incident, kabuto the sound four and sasuke, since part wo I dont think I need to go through he fought, sure naruto isnt at itachi's level yet but since when did that stop him, also he is powerful right now, and his use of kage bunshin could make his survival much more sure, doesnt itachi use the same methos, naruto can use more, itachi can make them faster, why cant naruto fight with itachi, what is the reason that would make so weak he couldnt face itachi, he faced kakuzu head on didnt he?

well thats what I am thinking, dont know about you guys.

I understand you point of view. And yes, I have read the manga. However, each battle match-up is different, and just because Naruto has defeated many strong opponents, there are potential match-ups for him that could prove disastrous. Itachi being one of those. Could Naruto fight him? Sure, why not. My opinion is that he would lose horribly (as outlined in my last post).

Naruto is strong (which I recognized in my previous post) and has been steadily improving throughout (an integral theme of the story).

Another theme of the story is the defeat of Uchiha Itachi only coming at the hands of another person with Uchiha blood (and eyes). While you can debate who's stronger, the story is heading in this direction (Team Snake, etc..). Whether or not Sasuke can beat him, remains to be seen.

Interestingly enough, the only person who's likely to defeat Sasuke, is Naruto.

ornis
April 29, 2007, 12:19 PM
Standing ovation for 4ghost

Your point could be viewed this is way: if Naruto can't save one friend, who is he to protect a nation? The nation is so important that every part matters. If so, I agree with you.

Additionally, 4ghost's post still applies to the current argument

Naruto has the will and the mentality to defeat Itachi---Naruto's responsible "sense of self" recognizes that everyone completes him.

Naruto cannot survive alone, regardless if he wins anything, or loses a fight. His purpose is to be harmonious with everything in everything he does. And social dysfunction (Itachi's deviance; Sasuke's ego-fair) only hurts the goal---pride is unacceptable to Naruto---the next generation cannot be irresponsibly, apathetically, and ignorantly self-conscious... Sasuke has forgotten who makes Sasuke---not him but the people around him that differ from Sasuke. Without a different or relatable point of reference there is no way he can define himself as Sasuke.


Reasoning:

4ghost's post, as well as a look into how Naruto's techniques convey his responsible nature...

Whenever Naruto tackles his own battles, a helping hand is never forgotten/ignored. He has a strong sense of family when you really examine the teamwork that contributes to his best jutsu. He is socially involved in every technique he uses. And that social commitment helps expresses Naruto's responsibilty. Every technique is like a dynamic and unforgettable display of love.

The Kage Bunshin art is a discipline every Naruto character should never ignore. It is too expensive to overlook. It highlights Naruto's incredible respect for teamwork at the expense of great chakra, a mass of stamina, and his health. That's great responsibilty shown in full.

Furthermore, in situations that prove a massive amount of chakra (and passion) to be the only source of his team's security---Naruto positions himself as an able-bodied ninja, who is not too proud use the worst situation to show his respect for everyone.. and often, jutsu's are his only support.

Even if everyone's security demands the most draining, straining, and damaging jutsu, humbly, Naruto sacrifces his health and safety to ensure the health and safety of others.

Consider Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. Naruto fights with his own chakra as if it was a twin to him, never feeling too proud to use multiple clones of himself when one Naruto just won't do. But KB is not a sign of weakness---it does not indicate that he is weak alone. Instead, it signifies that he will embrace any help it takes to make jutsu, very priceless jutsu, to contrast Sasuke's self-absorbtion (Sasuke for Sasuke) with Naruto's self-sacrifice (Naruto for society):

Naruto's nearly religious use of Kage Bunshin
Kage Bunshin + Henge combo expertise
Taju Kage Bunshin
Oiroke no Jutsu

The True potential of One Thousand Years of Death (the Clone Body Throw jutsu helped Naruto hit Gaara-Shukaku's weak spot)

The combination of the Demon Windmill of Shadows and Henge Jutsu, after using Taju
Kage Bunshin as diversion (involved Sasuke and Naruto's seamless teamwork)
Odama Rasengan (Kyuubified clone assist )
RasenShuriken (double clone assist)
Kyuubi Stage One--Two---Three (Kyuubi/Naru collaboration... a demon is so amused with Naruto's bravery---that it helps him)
Uzumaki Naruto Rendan (clone assist)
Uzumaki Naruto Nisen Rendan (massive clone assist)
Shuriken from All Directions (dido)
Henge Summoning Combo with Gamabuta (Summoned Beast/Naru collaboration)
Clone Body Throw
Clone Body Throw, using clones as underwater "projectiles" (at the Valley of the End)

Naruto is able to challenge Itachi. That "unbelievable" ability is necessary, for a responsible point to be made...

MadDog
April 29, 2007, 12:27 PM
That's a nice summary of his moves, but he can't barely break out of a genjutsu, which is fatal if you fight Itachi.

Remus
April 29, 2007, 12:46 PM
I disagree, remus.. you are missing out on a very important point.. that Naruto's story is very much about the Uchiha clan.. since they can control the Kyuubi;s power. This makes itachi a special villian who alone, alongwith sasuke knows the history around this. This makes it the main plot. Now all that is left to reveal is how the AL fits into this plot...

Yeah ? Well I dont think so. The Sharingan can't control Kyuubi. It or rather Sasuke suppressed the Kyuubi. Sharingan has, except for MS, only genjutsu-based or let's say mind powers. Kyuubi's will is in a constant fight with Naruto's. The more Naruto depends on Kyuubi's chakra the stronger the psychical control of Kyuubi becomes. Sasuke as a bearer of the Sharingan has a much stronger mind. It was easy for him to shut the Kyuubi up. Itachi is so far the strongest Sharingan user. He could suppress the Kyuubi but only if Naruto wants to. That's how I see it. But as the story is still progressing it could become as you say but so far it's just as I think it is. The leader of Akatsuki didnt really care that Itachi couldnt get the Kyuubi and if it would be so easy for Itachi to suppress a Bijuu's power then why isnt he collecting all of them ? Because he cant be everywhere at the same time ? Well I wouldnt put so much effort into Itachi and the Uchiha whatsoever. Orochimaru was taken care of pretty easily by Kishi.

raven09
April 29, 2007, 01:46 PM
Yeah kishi bumping off oro so easily was a downer.. but itachi is hyped much more. Personally, i would be disapppointed if the manga with all its possibilities turns into " Sasuke bumps off big villian (itachi), Naruto finishes off biggest villian(AL) w/o kyuubi, Naruto becomes hokage.. the END". Its just that I hope it isnt only a series of good fights, but has some surprising revelations... 'cause the tie between Naruto and sasuke could be taken much deeper if the Kyuubi-Sharingan link is explored.

ornis
April 29, 2007, 02:18 PM
That's a nice summary of his moves, but he can't barely break out of a genjutsu, which is fatal if you fight Itachi.

Not if you have a real team on your side. Tell me, is Naruto going to ever going to pick up a team, without caring for its social harmony? Wouldn't Naruto always consider his team's... sociablility, unlike Sasuke? (edit: was inconsiderately worded to me)

Naruto doesn't have any difficulty depending on others to get out of Itachi's genjutsu.

The literal team at his side will additionally cover him, just like 4ghost said.

So to me, it isn't about Naruto getting Naruto out of genjutsu. All that matters is the loyalty (of friends, tried and true techniques, and (at times) an amused Kyuubi). That world of trust will pull Naruto from any genjutsu's darkness. If he at all seems irresponsible---say if Naruto cannot save Naruto from the coming storm---I bet his commitment to family will save Naruto.

MadDog
April 29, 2007, 04:45 PM
Not if you have a real team on your side. Tell me, is Naruto going to ever going to pick up a team, without caring for its social harmony?

Naruto doesn't have any difficulty depending on others to get out of Itachi's genjutsu.

The literal team at his side will additionally cover him, just like 4ghost said.

So to me, it isn't about Naruto getting Naruto out of genjutsu. All that matters is the loyalty (of friends, tried and true techniques, and (at times) an amused Kyuubi). That world of trust will pull Naruto from any genjutsu's darkness. If he at all seems irresponsible---say if Naruto cannot save Naruto from the coming storm---I bet his commitment to family will save Naruto.

Of course Naruto will have teamates in he goes on a mission. Naruto would prefer to be with teamates he's comfortable with, however, that is not essential to the success of a mission. He clearly hated Sai when they first worked together, however, he put his feelings aside since there was a possibility of saving Sasuke. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Social Harmony, but bonds and fighting for (and along side) the people he wants to protect are indeed important to Naruto.

Sure Naruto can count on his teamates, but who will watch their backs while they're covering his? Kisame would have something to say about it. If they do end up fighting, they will paired off like most of Kishimoto's major fight scenes. Counting on your teamates is one thing, fighting Itachi and relying on help to counter his doujutsu techniques is quite another. "Hey Naruto, snap out of it" while Itachi is about to burn your ass to a crisp with Amaterasu is not good strategy.

Also, who's to say he'll even have teamates? We're not sure there will even be a "Hunt Itachi" mission. Also, the first time around, Itachi and Kisame made sure to get to him while he was alone. They're guaranteed to be more cautious if they're still tasked with capturing him given recent events (and Naruto's strength).

If anything, I hope Tsunade and Jiraiya (or Kakashi) smack some sense into Naruto in the next chapter, letting him know that he is way outmatched against Itachi. Since Naruto is being targeted, they should provide him with both counter-sharingan techniques (Gai-Style) and super speed training. Both are needed if he wants to stand a chance against Itachi (and ultimately save Sasuke from the darkness down the road). Jiraiya did provide counter-genjutsu training, but maybe more is needed - possible tuturing from Sakura?

PaperYomiko
April 29, 2007, 05:34 PM
I think the coolest part of this chapter was when Karin punched Suigetsu. That's a handy technique, for someone who probably gets punched a lot :D

Anyway, I feel like the set up for Sasuke and Naruto both going after Itachi, so that they'll inevitably meet, was pretty obvious, but hopefully it'll mean things will start to get really interesting.

Everyone seems to be talking about Naruto fighting Itachi, but personally, I think I'd rather see him fighting Kisame. Since they both have massive chakras, and Kisame has his special katana, I think it'd be a lot more interesting, especially in seeing how far Naruto can go now with his own chakra, without resorting to Kyuubi. But, now that Suigetsu wants a piece of Kisame, it'll be interesting to see how that goes.

Anyone else get the feeling Juugo's going to be Narutofied? Maybe this has already been talked about, I haven't read through all the posts here, so sorry if I'm being redundant. But I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a new convert soon :D

conan
April 29, 2007, 05:59 PM
Anyone else get the feeling Juugo's going to be Narutofied? Maybe this has already been talked about, I haven't read through all the posts here, so sorry if I'm being redundant. But I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a new convert soon :D
yeah I already mentioned that in golden knights reviews for chapter 351, but somehow I think he will have a tragic end, but he is very similar to naruto, garaa and haku in many regards.

lordHokage
April 29, 2007, 06:30 PM
but somehow I think he will have a tragic end, but he is very similar to naruto, garaa and haku in many regards.

I hope not, but somehow it is possible. I agree with you, he is very similar to those guys. :eyeroll

manga_freaky
April 29, 2007, 06:57 PM
Weak? I see...guess the mangaka listed Konoha as one of the 5 strongest Shinobi villages in the world just for the heck of a good laugh? Plain Irony on Kishimoto´s part, eh?


1. We have absolutely no information about the way Sasuke spent his childhood years in Konoha after the Uchiha massacre. He could have been in an orphanage or his own little shack (paid by the village for example) just like Naruto. This aspect was never clearly discussed by Kishimoto, so everything about that is just speculation and not fact.
2. Said sole survivor decided to go against the law of the village that kept him alive his entire life, fighting his own comrades and running of to hide and train with one of Konoha´s worst enemies. Guess you could call that ungrateful and maybe even treason.
3. Your outlook on Naruto´s relationship with Iruka (and henceforth with Sasuke and everyone else he holds dear) is what Sasuke said during the fight at the Valley of the End. That doesn´t exactly make it correct, though...it´s arguable whether or not one can grow to love a person as some sort of foster parent or "fake" brother as much as a real family. I do believe it´s possible and henceforth Naruto experienced the same type of loss Sasuke did when said Uchiha decided to run off. You don´t, and i suppose it´s hard or even impossible to come to an agreement with that kind of huge differences in opinion.


He is trying to convince Sasuke that fighting alongside those who hold him (sasuke) dear and living with them will ultimately make him stronger than trying to do everything on his own.
He is not going after Kisame because he
a) not a selfish and lusting-for-revenge brat (unlike someone else we know...)
b) his goal is to meet Sasuke again and convince him...Sasuke looks for Itachi, Naruto looks for Itachi, possibility of meeting successfully increased by 100%

From my understanding konoha as one of the 5 strongest if not the strongest was mostly because of the uchiha clan and the hyuga. I know that Kishi's story is focusing on the Naruto/ sasuke & co plot but when you consider strong at this moment, it means no less than kakashi. But damn look at kakuzu, oro, Itachi but damn compared to konoha those guys look like gods. And yes some of them failed not without lost.
The manga never mentioned sasuke being in orphanage and neither was Naruto, i don't know why you are bringing that up. By the way i think the manga was clear about sasuke being survivor and not loose like naruto.
Was there a law against shinobi leaving their village to train? Naruto did? Jiraya, Tsunade did? then why can't sasuke?
About Iruka and naruto? Growing to love and losing "how to love" is 2 different things. Iruka lost his parents because of the fox and naruto and he are alike. Rather than having a true relation with naruto (which btw i thought Jiraya and naruto would have had) they are simply sympathysing. Do you really believe that Iruka would still behave the same way once he sees the tailed naruto, the memorie of his parents? try to imagine that with sasuke with his parents killed 3 times (relived it twice), and that is not all his cousins, his friends, his grandmother, etc... I don't know what kind of excuses you are feeding yourself with but i'm very sure if you were in sasuke's shoes and konoha being the police you would do the same.

ornis
April 29, 2007, 07:16 PM
Of course Naruto will have teamates in he goes on a mission. Naruto would prefer to be with teamates he's comfortable with, however, that is not essential to the success of a mission. He clearly hated Sai when they first worked together, however, he put his feelings aside since there was a possibility of saving Sasuke. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Social Harmony, but bonds and fighting for (and along side) the people he wants to protect are indeed important to Naruto.

Sure Naruto can count on his teamates, but who will watch their backs while they're covering his? Kisame would have something to say about it. If they do end up fighting, they will paired off like most of Kishimoto's major fight scenes. Counting on your teamates is one thing, fighting Itachi and relying on help to counter his doujutsu techniques is quite another. "Hey Naruto, snap out of it" while Itachi is about to burn your ass to a crisp with Amaterasu is not good strategy.

Also, who's to say he'll even have teamates? We're not sure there will even be a "Hunt Itachi" mission. Also, the first time around, Itachi and Kisame made sure to get to him while he was alone. They're guaranteed to be more cautious this time around as well, given recent events (and Naruto's strength).



My thoughts were kind of choppy/misleading back there. ^^ The first question was rhetorical. (It was misleading. I apologize) And I would like Naruto to learn from his weakness, on the spot, with his own skill. He should just take his team, the mission, and jump into the fray... er, storm

Naruto's teammates have saved him from illusions before.

Maybe at first... Naruto will fall for Itachi's trick again. I can see that handicap showing up if he fights Itachi. However, if he flashbacks to Chiyo and Sakura saving him, he'd probably question his ability to be responsible.

Then at once, Naruto would envision a teammate saving him. He'd feel helpless, and it would dawn on him: he has to be commited to his team. He can't be irresponsible (even though he would seem irresponsible, because we know he failed to free himself before)

He would wake up, realize how foolish fighting unprepared is---though he first seemed looney... completely zany to face Itachi anyway.

Then, bam: (Your point on Naruto not covering his team fits well here) Naruto feels how much of a burden he'd be for the teammates that save him. He would escape the genjutsu and immediately move any teammate(s) coming for Naruto away from Itachi's/Kisame's sneak-attack (if they plan to do one).

Naruto's commitment to family would save Naruto---and his teammate(s), who were about to save him.

How could he do it?

Instead of just stopping his chakra flow (the way he did against Itachi-clone, Yura) he could injure himself and focus on the pain (Sasuke escaped Oro's Death-Forseeing jutsu by using pain). Then Naruto could go kyuubi-stage one to use a really massive amount of chakra to stop the chakra flow to his brain. If it works, it works. That's the price for not learning anything before hand, but at least he'd save himself---and his friend this time.

About saving his teammate(s): After Naruto escapes, he could remove the person(s) from the scene... by using some diversion or leaving as naturally as he could.

Say Sakura is the one trying to dispell the genjutsu---she'd back off after seeing a kyuubified Naruto... anyone on Naruto's team would, except Yamato. Yamato could restrain Naruto... that restraint might wake Naruto up, too---But this is about Naruto helping out here. Nevermind my wandering mind. I mean, as far as Yamto's concerned...




If anything, I hope Tsunade and Jiraiya (or Kakashi) smack some sense into Naruto in the next chapter, letting him know that he is way outmatched against Itachi. Since Naruto is being targeted, they should provide him with both counter-sharingan techniques (Gai-Style) and super speed training. Both are needed if he wants to stand a chance against Itachi (and ultimately save Sasuke from the darkness down the road). Jiraiya did provide counter-genjutsu training, but maybe more is needed - possible tuturing from Sakura?

Watching Itachi's feet would really bug me if I were Naruto. I mean, as Naruto, I'd think, "I was caught by a finger, how can a toe be different?"

Speed training... I see the import. He needs it badly---I still wish he'd learn a Position Exchange technique: If he could have a clone switch positions with Naruto, it would be a new take on Hirashin... my entire thoughts on that bit... are slightly excessive... >.>

MadDog
April 29, 2007, 07:50 PM
@Ornis

Nice scenarios above and overall argument. I definetly agree that Naruto, when motivated to save someone he loves/cares about, can find the power to do almost anything.

Also, it's probably too early in the story for him to gain the 4th's technique (he'd be unstoppable), but something needs to be done to improve his speed. I'd be interested in reading your take on the clone/switch jutsu idea.

ornis
April 29, 2007, 09:03 PM
Thank you, MadDog. The point you deduced says it all.


Now, I will refer to Itachi's statement, "A big storm is coming," that Naruto means maelstrom, and the best "wind Naruto can blow," to personify his name, is to regain Sasuke---is to rekindle Sasuke's heart---and then become a worthy Hokage.

//However, I also think that the coming storm refers to the "storm of blood" that will rage on between Itachi and Sasuke. Perhaps it will give Sasuke more leverage to shake his finger at Naruto, basically refuse Naruto the chance to save Sasuke... because that humbles Sasuke---because Uchiha blood attending to Uchiha blood-relations matter more to Sasuke than anything.//

Naruto needs to help Sasuke... needs to at least try to save him. Speed must be paramount for that to be done... he's kinda late, but it's great... their on the same paths now :)

Having learned something like this (http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=326128#post326128) would really be useful right now.

But MadDog, you're right. It's too soon, I bet. It would make him more of a "God of Wind," quickly... in an un-narutolike way.

Egoboo
April 30, 2007, 04:05 AM
From my understanding konoha as one of the 5 strongest if not the strongest was mostly because of the uchiha clan and the hyuga. I know that Kishi's story is focusing on the Naruto/ sasuke & co plot but when you consider strong at this moment, it means no less than kakashi. But damn look at kakuzu, oro, Itachi but damn compared to konoha those guys look like gods. And yes some of them failed not without lost.
The manga never mentioned sasuke being in orphanage and neither was Naruto, i don't know why you are bringing that up. By the way i think the manga was clear about sasuke being survivor and not loose like naruto.
Was there a law against shinobi leaving their village to train? Naruto did? Jiraya, Tsunade did? then why can't sasuke?
About Iruka and naruto? Growing to love and losing "how to love" is 2 different things. Iruka lost his parents because of the fox and naruto and he are alike. Rather than having a true relation with naruto (which btw i thought Jiraya and naruto would have had) they are simply sympathysing. Do you really believe that Iruka would still behave the same way once he sees the tailed naruto, the memorie of his parents? try to imagine that with sasuke with his parents killed 3 times (relived it twice), and that is not all his cousins, his friends, his grandmother, etc... I don't know what kind of excuses you are feeding yourself with but i'm very sure if you were in sasuke's shoes and konoha being the police you would do the same.
Well i suppose we won´t be able to come to an agreement concerning the whole affair about "real familiy" and "just being close" since we obviously have very different opinions on that topic...let´s just agree to disagree on that point, shall we?
(however, i am absolutely certain that Iruka wouldn´t suddenly start to dislike or hate Naruto witnessing him going tailed...another point we won´t ever agree on ^^´´ )
I don´t think that Konoha had it´s whole strength based upon two clans...there were after all quite a lot Uchihas and Hyuugas (Obito and Hinata for example) that couldn´t compare to Shinobi from other clans or even clanless ones (like Sakura). These clans were a big part of Konoha´s strength, but not it´s origin or main force...Konoha simply has superior training and fighting methods as well as a great number of available nin. Loosing the Uchihas was certainly a blow, but the village still remained to be one of the strongest in the world...and that´s certainly not just because there are still the Hyuuga left.
About the part with Sasuke´s childhood and an orphanage:
I brought that up because it is in my opinion highly unlikely that a village with such a pacifistic and socially active leader as the Third Hokage would simply let Orphans like Sasuke down...you asked whether or not Konoha has a right to come "barging" in Sasuke´s plans since they never did anything for him, and my answer is: they did, and they have the right to kick his ass for being ungrateful.
(uhm...second point that we won´t agree on, i suppose ;) )
And lastly:
Yes, there is a law against Shinobi leaving there village to train IF they simply do it without permission or even against direct orders from their village´s leader. Running off to train with the village´s worst enemy certainly does not help at all...
Naruto was permitted by Tsunade to leave the village with the well-known Jiraya, a trusted ally of Konoha, to train and come back around 2 1/2 years later. It was an open procedure and executed just as planed.
Sasuke on the other hand tried to sneak off in the middle of the night, punched down one of his comrades (Sakura) and tried to make his way to the not-so-trusted Orochimaru, most likely not with the intention of coming back too soon.
There is a clear difference here, and i hope i managed to word it in a way that allows you to understand my point of view =/
Edit: that´s one hell of a post again...and i guess we are getting OT...

You're fine, actually.

Schabrak
April 30, 2007, 06:55 AM
Sasuke on the other hand tried to sneak off in the middle of the night, punched down one of his comrades (Sakura) and tried to make his way to the [b]not-so-trusted Orochimaru[/b[, most likely not with the intention of coming back too soon.
There is a clear difference here, and i hope i managed to word it in a way that allows you to understand my point of view =/
Edit: that´s one hell of a post again...and i guess we are getting OT...
Orochimaru started a war against Konoha, so he's an enemy. Sasuke changed faction to the enemy, so he is one too. He should be a missing nin.

yemsta
April 30, 2007, 01:42 PM
AN interesting Idea is that what will happen when naruto goes under itachi's genjutsu will kyuubi interfere he wont let naruto loose his sanity so easily. When normal people get under MS (kakashi) they break donw mentally until they loose the will to live. But usually when naruto goes unconsious he goes into that chamber with the kyuubi and chakra starts leaking out. so what will happen if itachi uses MS on naruto ?? good question or what!

Karma
April 30, 2007, 01:55 PM
AN interesting Idea is that what will happen when naruto goes under itachi's genjutsu will kyuubi interfere he wont let naruto loose his sanity so easily. When normal people get under MS (kakashi) they break donw mentally until they loose the will to live. But usually when naruto goes unconsious he goes into that chamber with the kyuubi and chakra starts leaking out. so what will happen if itachi uses MS on naruto ?? good question or what! If Itachi uses the same thing he used on Kakashi on Naruto, It only going to lead to Naruto growing Tails and Itachi can't manage the Kyuubi with most of is tails coming out.. Because then Itachi would be running for is life. Because Naruto going 5 tail is too much for Itachi..

I think the Kyuubi eyes isn't affected by the Sharigan/MS

lordHokage
April 30, 2007, 02:49 PM
If Itachi uses the same thing he used on Kakashi on Naruto, It only going to lead to Naruto growing Tails and Itachi can't manage the Kyuubi with most of is tails coming out.. Because then Itachi would be running for is life. Because Naruto going 5 tail is too much for Itachi..

I think the Kyuubi eyes isn't affected by the Sharigan/MS

I agree but I think he would be more alike that person who fought Kakuzu. :eyeroll

Dark soul within
April 30, 2007, 04:57 PM
If Itachi uses the same thing he used on Kakashi on Naruto, It only going to lead to Naruto growing Tails and Itachi can't manage the Kyuubi with most of is tails coming out.. Because then Itachi would be running for is life. Because Naruto going 5 tail is too much for Itachi..

I think the Kyuubi eyes isn't affected by the Sharigan/MS

Naruto going 5 tails kyuubi is too much for anybody to handle, including naruto!

kheldorin
April 30, 2007, 05:07 PM
If Itachi was smart, he would surpress the Kyuubi either using Sasuke's method or Oro's method(seal). But seeing as to how villains tend to have their IQ drop when facing Naruto (none of them can avoid a Rasengan), I doubt that would ever happen.

ibblows
April 30, 2007, 05:10 PM
couldnt he just use his shadowclones to fight never even exposing himself to MS?

then bam out of nowhere there he is while itachi is screwing with his clone.

MadDog
April 30, 2007, 05:10 PM
AN interesting Idea is that what will happen when naruto goes under itachi's genjutsu will kyuubi interfere he wont let naruto loose his sanity so easily. When normal people get under MS (kakashi) they break donw mentally until they loose the will to live. But usually when naruto goes unconsious he goes into that chamber with the kyuubi and chakra starts leaking out. so what will happen if itachi uses MS on naruto ?? good question or what!

Definetly an interesting idea. Tsukuyomi effects the victims's mind, giving Itachi control of both time and space. This is different from when Naruto is unconcious (or near death) and his mind creates the illusion of visiting the Kyubi in his somewhat sealed prision. There's been nothing to indicate that Naruto, in any of the stages where he utilizes the Kyubi's chakra, would be resistant to Genjutsu. Especially the most devestating doujutsu technique we've seen. If the Kyubi did come up and say hello, Itachi would most likely be able to brush him back, similar to what Sasuke did in Chapter 309.

With that said, I doubt Itachi would have much luck trying his moves on rampaging 4+ tailed Naruto.

Finally at 100 posts. FULL MEMBER. Time for a beverage to celebrate. Pissah!

Koen
April 30, 2007, 05:19 PM
okay, the next story is set. We have the snakes and a konoha team who'll hunt down Itachi. But imo, Itachi doesn't give a damn: if he has the chance he'll capture naruto/kyuubi for akatsuki. Maybe it's the thing akatsuki wants, maybe they wanna have naruto to them and maybe they wanna have sasuke to them.

I wouldn't be suprised if sasuke kills itachi, and joins akatsuki after that (imo akatsuki and uchiha have a connection with each other)

kheldorin
April 30, 2007, 05:36 PM
Well i suppose we won´t be able to come to an agreement concerning the whole affair about "real familiy" and "just being close" since we obviously have very different opinions on that topic...let´s just agree to disagree on that point, shall we?
(however, i am absolutely certain that Iruka wouldn´t suddenly start to dislike or hate Naruto witnessing him going tailed...another point we won´t ever agree on ^^´´ )
I don´t think that Konoha had it´s whole strength based upon two clans...there were after all quite a lot Uchihas and Hyuugas (Obito and Hinata for example) that couldn´t compare to Shinobi from other clans or even clanless ones (like Sakura). These clans were a big part of Konoha´s strength, but not it´s origin or main force...Konoha simply has superior training and fighting methods as well as a great number of available nin. Loosing the Uchihas was certainly a blow, but the village still remained to be one of the strongest in the world...and that´s certainly not just because there are still the Hyuuga left.
About the part with Sasuke´s childhood and an orphanage:
I brought that up because it is in my opinion highly unlikely that a village with such a pacifistic and socially active leader as the Third Hokage would simply let Orphans like Sasuke down...you asked whether or not Konoha has a right to come "barging" in Sasuke´s plans since they never did anything for him, and my answer is: they did, and they have the right to kick his ass for being ungrateful.
(uhm...second point that we won´t agree on, i suppose ;) )
And lastly:
Yes, there is a law against Shinobi leaving there village to train IF they simply do it without permission or even against direct orders from their village´s leader. Running off to train with the village´s worst enemy certainly does not help at all...
Naruto was permitted by Tsunade to leave the village with the well-known Jiraya, a trusted ally of Konoha, to train and come back around 2 1/2 years later. It was an open procedure and executed just as planed.
Sasuke on the other hand tried to sneak off in the middle of the night, punched down one of his comrades (Sakura) and tried to make his way to the not-so-trusted Orochimaru, most likely not with the intention of coming back too soon.
There is a clear difference here, and i hope i managed to word it in a way that allows you to understand my point of view =/
Edit: that´s one hell of a post again...and i guess we are getting OT...



Bah, Tsunade left the village and almost ended up helping Oro if not for Naruto's intervention. Yet, Konoha didn't see her as a traitor did they? She's the Hokage now. So this argument of Konoha treating Sasuke as a traitor because Sasuke merely trained under Oro is lame. Sasuke is not Konoha's enemy. He has done nothing to harm Konoha. In fact, he did the opposite. He killed Oro and in so doing rid Konoha of one of its major enemies.

I really don't see how Konoha has helped Sasuke in his goal to kill Itachi or what Sasuke is supposed to be grateful for. Kakashi, his own sensei warned him not to go after Itachi. IMO, they have been very unsupportive. They were able to get 2 teams to avenge one guy, Asuma in mere weeks but do not have the resources to avenge a whole clan in years! So now suddenly, they have the resources to go after Itachi because Naruto requested for it?? If that isn't preferential treatment, I don't know what is. Where was Konoha all the other years? Where was Konoha when Sasuke first confronted Itachi?? They only sent Gai sensei for goodness sake, and even then he was late. A genin was able to outrun any other Jounin to reach Itachi. That's really pathetic.

Sasuke made the right choice by leaving Konoha. He would not be as strong as he is now had he not done so. And he has achieved his strength without sacrificing his values. He still doesn't kill people if it's unnecessary.

It would be best to consistently use your tone carefully. Your post sounds bluntly discouraging in certain areas. Return the respect Egoboo has shared with you.

ornis
April 30, 2007, 05:55 PM
okay... We have the snakes and a konoha team who'll hunt down Itachi. But imo, Itachi doesn't give a damn: if he has the chance he'll capture naruto/kyuubi for akatsuki.

Heh. As if when he glanced off, anticipating the coming storm, the look in his eyes, was but a shrug. Go figure. Itachi seemed silently thrilled---to show them all how foolish they may be. Like you said, "He doesn't care."

He's got to have something more important (to him) on his mind. I still think Naruto has something in store for Itachi's game--- they are chasing the weasel, aren't they ;) All around one helluva bush :D

Wonder if all this will humor Itachi even more---I still think if he loses to Sasuke, Itachi would be overjoyed... that Sasuke was worthy enough "to kill"

That is, Sasuke was worthy enough to give in to Itachi's desires and abandon his true heart for the heart of a grudge kami---an avenging spirit. So goes it... "the Uchiha's dead. The blood has dried up for its heart is buried in the past." Only if Sasuke kills Itachi... but that's my poetic foolishness ^^


Wonder what other vengeance could come from Sasuke...

panzerzanaku
April 30, 2007, 07:47 PM
what kheldorin said is true and i agree with him.

like kheldorin said u guys find it awsome that shika got revenge for asuma but for sasuke ur like hes so selfish,ungrateful,whiny.

see wat i'm saying u guys make no sense, you know whos :
selfish: naruto(everything has to always be about him,he never considers wat anybody else wants to do, true signs of a dictator)
whiny:naruto("hes like me so he shud comform to wat i like to do""i had a bad childhood nobody cared")...please gaaras childhood was messed up and sasukes own was messed up. narutos childhood was a walk in the park.

lets compare
sasuke : person he looked up to the most his own brother slaugthered his entire family and showed him how he did it.

naruto : orphan but guess what he was adopted and loved by iruka.

last time i checked no one adopted sasuke after his family was killed nobody even lifted a finger to hunt down itachi.

like kheldorin said lots of preferential treatment
and also the village took revenge for asuma and everybody was like yeh, but sasuke taking revenge for his own flesh and blood its like a big problem, do u now see how little sense alot of things make???????

Egoboo
April 30, 2007, 08:25 PM
panzerzanaku, i´ll just make this short (partly also because i don´t think your arguments could ever convince me of your POV and vice versa):
Not the fact that Sasuke wants revenge is what "we guys" dislike, it´s the way he discards everthing (including those that care about him and their feelings) on his way towards it.
Giving one´s everything to reach a goal is one thing, but hurting and/or using others to do so is another. On top of that, Sasuke is arguably one of the most arrogant and cold characters in the series, not necessarily adding to feel of a poor guy one should pity for his live.
Lastly, i think it is arguable how lonely Sasuke really was...of course, he lost his family...but to me it looked like quite a lot of people were interested in spending time with him; most of the guys in the academy seemed to look up to him, the girls were simply after him for his cool and broody attitude, and the teachers certainly had a liking for someone that talented.
The Third Hokage was not the kind of man that would let a boy born in the village be all alone, so Sasuke definitely was not that alone.
Alas, this is all just my point of view and i guess you won´t feel that what i said is correct. As stated before: some things just can´t be discussed to a point where we all can have the same opinion...so let´s just agree to disagree about Sasuke and whether or not he is some admirable or not.

THETRUTH.com
April 30, 2007, 08:29 PM
Bah, Tsunade left the village and almost ended up helping Oro if not for Naruto's intervention. Yet, Konoha didn't see her as a traitor did they? She's the Hokage now. So this argument of Konoha treating Sasuke as a traitor because Sasuke merely trained under Oro is lame. Sasuke is not Konoha's enemy. He has done nothing to harm Konoha. In fact, he did the opposite. He killed Oro and in so doing rid Konoha of one of its major enemies.

Jiraiya made it clear that if she did assist Oro she, the grand-daughter of Shodai, would be considered the an enemy of Konoha.


I really don't see how Konoha has helped Sasuke in his goal to kill Itachi or what Sasuke is supposed to be grateful for. Kakashi, his own sensei warned him not to go after Itachi. IMO, they have been very unsupportive.

You are right they are not very supportive but that is not really the purpose of Konoha. They do not exist to help every individual shinobi achieve their goals. The shinobi are there to support and accomplish the goals of Konoha. However, they may have been supportive of Sasuke's other goal "To revive his clan" and that cant happen if he is dead. Isnt it possible that The Leaf does have an interest in revive a once prominent clan and they wanted Sasuke to be alive so that could happen.


They were able to get 2 teams to avenge one guy, Asuma in mere weeks but do not have the resources to avenge a whole clan in years! So now suddenly, they have the resources to go after Itachi because Naruto requested for it?? If that isn't preferential treatment, I don't know what is. Where was Konoha all the other years? Where was Konoha when Sasuke first confronted Itachi?? They only sent Gai sensei for goodness sake, and even then he was late. A genin was able to outrun any other Jounin to reach Itachi. That's really pathetic.


The 1st team that went out after Kakuzu&Hidan wasnt officially formed. Shika formed a team and left w/ Kakashi joining so Tsunade would let them leave. And the other 18 squads were still out as well. Godaime also felt Kakuzu/Hidan was a direct threat to the village.

Naruto does get preferential treatment but some of it he has earned. During the time that Itachi and Kisame came to Konoha the village was in shambles. With no Hokage and still trying to handle the same load of missions not many resources available. Gai might not have been order to go by the advisor he just made a call and went. They also didnt seem to actively search for Oro either and he killed many many people as well 59 just in the "Shodai Clone Project" that created Yamato.

MadDog
April 30, 2007, 09:51 PM
Lastly, i think it is arguable how lonely Sasuke really was...of course, he lost his family...but to me it looked like quite a lot of people were interested in spending time with him; most of the guys in the academy seemed to look up to him, the girls were simply after him for his cool and broody attitude, and the teachers certainly had a liking for someone that talented.
The Third Hokage was not the kind of man that would let a boy born in the village be all alone, so Sasuke definitely was not that alone.
Alas, this is all just my point of view and i guess you won´t feel that what i said is correct. As stated before: some things just can´t be discussed to a point where we all can have the same opinion...so let´s just agree to disagree about Sasuke and whether or not he is some admirable or not.

I think you're on the right track. Sasuke was clearly had opportunities to make friends/connections during his formative years. Plus, we have no way of knowing how the village provided for Sasuke after his ordeal, but given that Konoha is a military organization, it is lkely that they have a support network in place for widows and oprhans.

For those who are saying that Konoha did nothing to go after Itachi for his crimes, where are you getting that information? The fact is, we have no idea what Konoha did in the aftermath of the Uchiha clan being wiped out. They could have sent out multiple ANBU squads (and lost everyone) for all we know.

Also, claiming that there was somehow preferential treatment in the battle with Hidan/Kakuzu is simply false. Alhough avenging Asuma was a motivation, the actual mision was to elminate the Akatsuki Threat that had been making noise in the Fire Country (Temple of Fire, etc...)



naruto : orphan but guess what he was adopted and loved by iruka.

Really?

Decorus
April 30, 2007, 10:59 PM
Naruto was shunned by the entire village treated as if he did not even exist. Almost every adult in the village passed on thier hatred of Kyuubi to thier children as hatred of Naruto.
I think Naruto had it worse.

Sasuke was more like poor orphan Sasuke everyone show him love and affection. Sasuke may have had his entire family and extended relatives slaughtered, but his life after was argueable better then the way his Dad treated him before.

Omi
May 01, 2007, 03:28 AM
Yeah kishi bumping off oro so easily was a downer.. but itachi is hyped much more. Personally, i would be disapppointed if the manga with all its possibilities turns into " Sasuke bumps off big villian (itachi), Naruto finishes off biggest villian(AL) w/o kyuubi, Naruto becomes hokage.. the END". Its just that I hope it isnt only a series of good fights, but has some surprising revelations... 'cause the tie between Naruto and sasuke could be taken much deeper if the Kyuubi-Sharingan link is explored.

Simmer down now. Kishi has so much material he could go for another 20 years if he doesn't get bored. Personally I doubt he intends to finish the manga in the next 5 years, which means that even if Itachi gets out of the picture we would still have strong opponent for Naruto and Sasuke (even if its each other).
I wonder whom Tsunade is going allow to go into this hunt with Naruto if she permits it this early.

shachi
May 01, 2007, 03:09 PM
I wonder whom Tsunade is going allow to go into this hunt with Naruto if she permits it this early.

Kakashi and Gai are the two nins that are talented enough to engage in close-combat with both Itachi and Kisame. In addition, a top-notch strategist like Shikamaru is an obvious choice. I think the best candidates are the intelligent nins with long-distance abilities, like Shino, Sai, and Temari. Gaara is a good candidate too, because earth jutsu are advantageous against Kisame's water jutsus.

It is difficult to rule out anyone, and given how dangerous Itachi and Kisame are, I would not be surprised if Tsunade sends 3 or 4 squads.

Personally, I'm hoping for a Rookie 9/Chuunin Exam Arc reunion and a big, epic battle.

aznhotbod
May 01, 2007, 05:01 PM
dont forget, that Itachi and Kisame are now considered as serious threats against Konoha for trying to capture Kyuubi. When ITachi killed his clan, he left, and didnt attack Konoha afterwards. As bad as it was, capturing Kyuubi for Akatsuki is a lot worse, which is why Tsunade is allowing Naruto and team to go after Itachi/Kisame. Preferential treatment? sure, but justified? yeah.

Kusachu
May 01, 2007, 05:38 PM
I think Konoha was in on a plot against Uchiha. lol Itachi was their pawn. They used him as their tool to kill them because Uchiha had too much power and Itachi split afterwards. Or i could just be imagining funner (yes, funner is now a word), more interesting things again. But my main point is this: I think Konoha is (or should be) just as evil and corrupt as every other village who is out for a spot at the top, but "we" always see it as "the good guys". The same conclusion could be drawn towards anyone in the story I guess.

Wow, that was really off topic and extemely random! XD

Karma
May 01, 2007, 06:01 PM
Naruto was shunned by the entire village treated as if he did not even exist. Almost every adult in the village passed on thier hatred of Kyuubi to thier children as hatred of Naruto.
I think Naruto had it worse.

Sasuke was more like poor orphan Sasuke everyone show him love and affection. Sasuke may have had his entire family and extended relatives slaughtered, but his life after was argueable better then the way his Dad treated him before.
Correctly.. Naruto has it worst in the leaf village.. I think thats why Sasuke show Naruto more respect even after the time skip.. Because he found out why people in the village use to hate him so much..

I feel Naruto hiding some thing from us, Just as sasuke hiding some thing from Naruto - About killing is best friend would allow him to gain MS. So think about it.. I wonder if Naruto already know who he's related to... Hmmm

body flicker
May 01, 2007, 08:05 PM
Naruto was shunned by the entire village treated as if he did not even exist. Almost every adult in the village passed on thier hatred of Kyuubi to thier children as hatred of Naruto.
I think Naruto had it worse.

Sasuke was more like poor orphan Sasuke everyone show him love and affection. Sasuke may have had his entire family and extended relatives slaughtered, but his life after was argueable better then the way his Dad treated him before.


Correctly.. Naruto has it worst in the leaf village.. I think thats why Sasuke show Naruto more respect even after the time skip.. Because he found out why people in the village use to hate him so much..

I feel Naruto hiding some thing from us, Just as sasuke hiding some thing from Naruto - About killing is best friend would allow him to gain MS. So think about it.. I wonder if Naruto already know who he's related to... Hmmm so... when people u dont know wont talk to u means u've had it tougher than someone who had people he knew and cared for killed right in front of him by his own flesh in blood

ANBU4U
May 01, 2007, 10:38 PM
Naruto was shunned by the entire village treated as if he did not even exist. Almost every adult in the village passed on thier hatred of Kyuubi to thier children as hatred of Naruto.
I think Naruto had it worse.

Sasuke was more like poor orphan Sasuke everyone show him love and affection. Sasuke may have had his entire family and extended relatives slaughtered, but his life after was argueable better then the way his Dad treated him before.

Thats obsurd.

1: Sauske's dad may have favored his Oldest son a bit (not uncommon btw) but he far from out right neglected the kid, and if his mom wasnt lying, Sauske's dad was genuinely was impressed by him and proud of him. Sauske's life was in no way, shape, or form better after his dad was dead than b4. I cant even believe you'd suggest such a thing. Its just obsurd.
2: Growing up with no family and having the entire village ignore you and resent you is horrible......but I hesitate to say having your older, highly esteemed, hero of a brother slaughter your entire clan then show you ever second of it at the age of 5 better. Sauske struggeled being in his Uchiha prodigy of a brothers shadow even when life was good...im sure being compared to his clans great name with no one to really talk to...everyday, by everyone around him took its toll.

Calling ones life experiences worse than the others is juivinille to the extreme and utterly baseless. Its almost like saying "through out history Jews have suffered more than Blacks." Its comparing the suffering of two cultures that have been through countless ordeals and unspeakable horrors to see who had it worst....just ignorant, and offensive to everyone involved.

Mind you at least Naruto v. Sauske is fiction....

Anyway the point is, comparison is meaningless and cheapens the the signficance each characters ordeals.

GPZrag
May 01, 2007, 11:46 PM
Thats obsurd.

1: Sauske's dad may have favored his Oldest son a bit (not uncommon btw) but he far from out right neglected the kid, and if his mom wasnt lying, Sauske's dad was genuinely was impressed by him and proud of him. Sauske's life was in no way, shape, or form better after his dad was dead than b4. I cant even believe you'd suggest such a thing. Its just obsurd.
2: Growing up with no family and having the entire village ignore you and resent you is horrible......but I hesitate to say having your older, highly esteemed, hero of a brother slaughter your entire clan then show you ever second of it at the age of 5 better. Sauske struggeled being in his Uchiha prodigy of a brothers shadow even when life was good...im sure being compared to his clans great name with no one to really talk to...everyday, by everyone around him took its toll.

Calling ones life experiences worse than the others is juivinille to the extreme and utterly baseless. Its almost like saying "through out history Jews have suffered more than Blacks." Its comparing the suffering of two cultures that have been through countless ordeals and unspeakable horrors to see who had it worst....just ignorant, and offensive to everyone involved.

Mind you at least Naruto v. Sauske is fiction....

Anyway the point is, comparison is meaningless and cheapens the the signficance each characters ordeals.
quite correct ^_^, comparing to horrible lifes is meaningless.. =)

Decorus
May 02, 2007, 02:00 AM
Sasuke can return to Konoha when ever he wants.

"Hi Tsunade I just finished my S class mission to infiltrate Orochimaru's organization and assasinate him. As a bonus I also hunted down and eliminated a majority of the surviving members of his organization. I also attempted to kill two Akatsuki members."

If Sasuke truely wants to resurrect his clan he will have to return to Konoha eventually and offing Orochimaru goes a long way to making that possible.

ornis
May 02, 2007, 09:49 AM
Sasuke can return to Konoha when ever he wants.

"Hi Tsunade I just finished my S class mission to infiltrate Orochimaru's organization and assasinate him. As a bonus I also hunted down and eliminated a majority of the surviving members of his organization. I also attempted to kill two Akatsuki members."



Everything was edited---all ignored my real question:

What's your reasoning? Sasuke took over in the ritual realm. Could mean he took over the ritual and possessed Oro, or took over the realm and removed Oro. It may mean something else. Tsunade claiming Oro is dead based on Jiraiya's most trusted source does not mean the source is immune from ill-influence (Kabuto>Source>Jiraiya). That is highly likely because only Kabuto witnessed Sasuke immediately after the ritual. Even so, I wouldn't mind hearing the reason for your conclusion.


Sasuke has not eliminated the rest of Oro's members. He let some go, but never struck the other ones fatally. But Sui, now... well, that's just his devious self, I guess.


Sasuke has not attempted to kill both Itachi and Kisame---he faced Itachi back when... but Kisame was never Sasuke's target. The team may hold off Kisame, Suigetsu may try to kill Kisame, but that does not highlight Sasuke as any conspirator.

Sasuke leads Suigetsu, so the leader directing Sui to kill Kisame would be Sasu's attempt on Kisame's life. But that Uchiha has stated Team Snake's MO: to kill Itachi.

Kisame seems like a sidenote. I wouldn't be surprised if he lives... as another creature Sasuke didn't want to kill.

ANBU4U
May 02, 2007, 01:35 PM
What's your reasoning? Here are my thoughts:

He stated his reasoning, it was fairly basic....but solid.

Sauske:

1. Eliminated the Third Hokages Killer
2. Dismanteled the rest of Oro's Legacy
3. Attempted to take out 2 AK members, one of which is a S-Rank missing nin from konoah that had evaded capture for a decade.
4. He hasnt given away any of konah's secrets and the Vilage itself was in no way effected in the long-term by his defection.

All solid points, and considering them I wouldnt be suprised if he was on good standing with most of the village if/when he ever returns to the village, at least as things stand at this moment.

All of this is readily verifiable....and doesnt really take too much of a leap to believe.

Your theory on the other hand, is riddled with so many assumptions and invented plot lines it may well be a fan fic.

If I was forced to choose I'd say his was far more likely.

Mendes
May 02, 2007, 05:30 PM
If sasuke is to return to konoha someday, he will most likely be judged. The reasons you just listed could attenuate his sentence by far, but i think he'll get imprisoned sometime. He was labeled traitor, fled from his village, joined willingly a true enemy of the Leaf and he was the leader of the sound5 that nearly caused the death of his former compatriots and friends. He wont just return with a happy face to konoha saying 'hi, i killed oro and did some good stuff, so lets be friends again :)'. I think he wont miss at least a trial. Also, it would be interesting to see how the justice acts in konoha. Who judges the cases and how they do it. Maybe they go further than in real life, where a person just swears telling the truth. In konoha, they must mess with the mind of the judged and use some kind of drug to make him speak the truth or something like that

coolitman
May 02, 2007, 06:16 PM
I reckon it would be extremely difficult for sasuke to just waltz back into konoha after all this time and be all like "hey I'm back" there would definitely be some people who aren't like naruto and will forgive him so easily...firstly i don't think tsunade would let him off so easily...there would have to be some form of punishment and also i don't think shikamaru and the crew would be all that glad for what he put them through...though i don't see them holding a huge grudge. As for using a drug to speak the truth, i think Sasuke could only ever return after killing Itachi, and I would like to think that he wouldn't have any reason to lie about what he's doe after that...it's all part of the cleansing after his revenge right? I would like to see him back but i think kishi would have to do it really well and currently i can't think of a way he would incorporate it...

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