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bax
June 01, 2007, 01:13 PM
The RAW for chapter 356 is out!! Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13399)!!!


After that, go ahead and predict what you think will happened in Chapter 357 :amuse

OhDearMoshe
June 01, 2007, 01:22 PM
Erm Sasuke Vs Deidera cool fights scene, death of an akatsuki member maybe, or I can imagine Sasuke getting the upperhand quickly but Tobi making a last minute rescue!

LoT
June 01, 2007, 01:25 PM
Holy Shit!
I can't predict what will happen!

I hope Kakashi will enter the Battle between Sasuke Deidara and Tobi to fight Tobi and see his (Tobis) real Face and his Sharingan *lolz*

I hope Naruto will look into the Akatsuki Book and we will see the BH and the AL ...

the next few chapters will be fuckin Awesome

ANBU4U
June 01, 2007, 01:39 PM
I am THROUGHLY going to enjoy the next three chapters or so. Seems as though we can finaly put outright summoning on Sasukes resume....about time, as its been alluded in spreads since what? Chapter 7? All thats left now is Sakura.

As for predictions, I can only imagine we'll see what Sasukes made of in the following chapters. 1 versus 2, if he can get the upper hand...or even hold his own, he'll be the first shinobi to do so by himself against akatsuki (with the argueable exception of garra), and the only one to fight them against odds.....as the general attack plan seems to always be an outright konoha gang bang (which, while wise....I find somewhat unsporting.)

This'll be fun.

body flicker
June 01, 2007, 01:41 PM
i think sasuke reached the half way point of getting the MS, his sharingan looks diffrent

so i predict new sharigan ability :)

big_p
June 01, 2007, 01:47 PM
I am THROUGHLY going to enjoy the next three chapters or so. Seems as though we can finaly put outright summoning on Sasukes resume....about time, as its been alluded in spreads since what? Chapter 7? All thats left now is Sakura.


No doubt. I wonder though, does he have the weird little tatoo on his arm like Oro did? or does he just bite his thumb like all the rest?

Prediction - Konoha dogs heard the explosion and alert their comrades. If that doesn't happen I'll be really perplexed. "Our ears will hear" blah blah, but no response to a fatty explosion? please.

Yondaime-Uzumaki
June 01, 2007, 01:47 PM
I am THROUGHLY going to enjoy the next three chapters or so. Seems as though we can finaly put outright summoning on Sasukes resume....about time, as its been alluded in spreads since what? Chapter 7? All thats left now is Sakura.

As for predictions, I can only imagine we'll see what Sasukes made of in the following chapters. 1 versus 2, if he can get the upper hand...or even hold his own, he'll be the first shinobi to do so by himself against akatsuki (with the argueable exception of garra), and the only one to fight them against odds.....as the general attack plan seems to always be an outright konoha gang bang (which, while wise....I find somewhat unsporting.)

This'll be fun.

I Agree With you on that one, The next chapters will be Epic . Kishi Better do some cool Fight, No matter who's the Loser in those Battles

stubo
June 01, 2007, 01:48 PM
Let's hope it won't end as a Sasuke vs Orochimaru fight

Diceman5000
June 01, 2007, 01:49 PM
I predict that we will not see that Sasuke fight but instead we will see more Naruto and Kabuto, and also Sakura following Karin until she figures out she is the scent that they are following and then confronts her. Chapter ends at the beginning of the fight.

ShinobiWrath
June 01, 2007, 01:50 PM
Wow it's hard to predict what will happen at this point but if I had to predict something I'd say Deidara is a goner. Sasuke can summon Giant snakes now and even worse he's pursuing Itachi meaning any riff raff that gets in his way will either end up going home diced or sliced.

On Kabuto's part, it's nearly impossible to predict what he has planned considering he is probably Orochimaru. One thing is for sure, th next few chapters are going to be explosive----and I do mean that quite literally.

patrick_tambu
June 01, 2007, 02:33 PM
I'd say that one of hebi is going to join Sasuke's battlefield, probably not Karin. She has her own trouble to deal with.....i do not think Sakura is going to loose that scent.....
About Naruto i would say they are not going after Kabuto's ass....because of one of the dogs searching for backups.......

We'll see!!!




But.......geez!!!!!!! Not soon enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

godofthesunn
June 01, 2007, 02:42 PM
Great chapter and a while since i've talked on these forums....

So orochimaru clinged on to kabuto instead of sasuke...I think kishimoto must have heard that rumor and then changed his mind from his orginal plan.. but we'll never know..

Sasuke meets tobi.. at first i had a brain freeze and forgot that tobi knew itachi and that he meant that he knew how itachi looked from his times back in konoha.. but then i woke up and relized no thats wrong.. wishful thinking even though its not valid time wise ....still i hope tobi is obito...

deidra vs sauske... this should be good.. another member of akusuki falls.. tobi of course in dragonball z form will then up sauske after he kills deidra... REMEMBER THAT AS MY PREDICTION

who is behind juugo? probaly just some konoha ninjas.. it dosent matter who... really i would get bored with that fight too so hopefully it doenst happen

AND FINALLY KARIN HAS WHAT RED HAIR OR SOMETHING AND RED EYES.... This has to be the most upsetting find in anime history... that just doesnt look right at all... I mean hardly anyone in naruto has black hair or very few people do... heck it could be brown. but red is a bit much..oh well we shall come to terms eventually..

next week should be good though hopefully its all dedidra vs sauske and nothing else

jerger
June 01, 2007, 02:51 PM
well... red heds have hot tempers, i know.. since my mom is a red head lol and complains about the stereotype, for in her case is true for irish/german lol.

but... karin... is freaking hot! plus fiesty... so he is probably going for that hot/fiesty attitude since she always is screaming...

these next chapters.... akatsuki are in teams for a reason... in pairs... so tobi has a trick up his sleave... i'm guessing some type of disable jitsu or prison jitsu.... but if they are going to get revenge... its probably not to capture him.

remeber... akatsuki are in need of their troops, so if it was for serious, and akatuski were not confident.... itatchi would be there already. something is going to happen to sasuke...

i think hebi is going to fight konoha... then they are going to work things out... then go after akatsuki together.... then naruto will have to show his guts

somewhere down the line orochimaru new guy will probably make a new appearance for good or bad who knows

ITACHIWIFE
June 01, 2007, 02:53 PM
:mad oro alive can't that jerk take a hint

can't wait for the fight itachi is coming (i know it ) in a few chapters . what's with kabuto? off the deep need .

:eek: CAT FIGHT you all know who:shannaro ;)

hitokugutsu
June 01, 2007, 02:59 PM
i think sasuke reached the half way point of getting the MS, his sharingan looks diffrent

so i predict new sharigan ability :)

I also noticed that Sasukes sharingan looks a bit different, but I first thought its a drawing error. But then again Deidara did commented on how scary eyes Sasuke had. Either way Kishi cant make the sharingan even more powerfull than it already is. Since at this point Sasuke is already a demi-god. He's even facing 2 Akaksuki members ALONE

Robotic Red
June 01, 2007, 03:12 PM
Well, let's not forget that Orochimaru's body was still left behind.

I wouldn't put it past Kabuto to try and integrate that body into him somehow.

darkstar7
June 01, 2007, 03:27 PM
OK, so sasuke's got some action on his side and so does naruto

that leaves juugo, suigetsu, karin, sakura, kiba, shino, sai, and kakashi to fit into the picture somehow

man, this is turning into one big clusterf**k!

I predict sasuke will hold his own quite well against deidara and tobi, considering it's all to build him up for his fight against itachi!

But i'm also guessing sasuke will be in a pinch eventually in this fight and it would be cool to see kakashi show up, so deidara/tobi vs kakashi/sasuke

that would really be something! not to mention revelations for all the tobi/obito theorists

Akatsuki_DraGoN_
June 01, 2007, 03:56 PM
What I predicted for Orochi:


If he can't survive in his current state he'll probably use kabuto's body. Or a unknown person.

Should I predict what'll happen now?:d:d

lordHokage
June 01, 2007, 04:03 PM
Sasuke vs. Deidara and Tobi is an unfair match up. Deidara knows about the Sharingan ability and Orochimaru’s jutsu. :blink

OhDearMoshe
June 01, 2007, 04:06 PM
Well by the looks of it its starting to match up future fights. And if you think about it, Four from Hebi, Four from Akatsuki and 8 From Konoha, thats gotta match up somehow so I think Deidara will lose but survive. Possibly well see a small glimpse of Tobi and what he can do saving Diedaras sorry ass.

Hmmnnn maybe we should make a fight prediction table too..later....

Mendes
June 01, 2007, 04:11 PM
I sure dont buy kabuto's "I am so sad" speech. He doesnt regret Oro's death, by the way he used his eye in his favor and only God and Kishimoto knows what he's planing to do. I dont see what can he do now... If its true what he said about the way he never had an objective in his life, besides being apart of something important, whatever it is, then he would have no place to be right now. Every evil character has to have an objective, and kabuto isnt any different. He sure didnt change to the good side either... by the looks of his left eye

Toad Sage
June 01, 2007, 04:13 PM
I think that the book is going to contain the identities of the Akatsuki, and we'll finally see who the last remaining Akatsuki are. I can't imagine what other sort of information would be contained in that book important enough for the storyline to compel Kishimoto to bring it into play. I'm also a little suspicious of Kabuto's motives, particularly why he would want to help Konohoa. I think the reason he gave in the current chapter sounds credible given the overall theme of Naruto, but nevertheless, perhaps what bit of Orochimaru that lingers in him desires to sabotage or put off the Konohoa team rather than see it be victorious. The way that it could do this of course is if the identities of the remaining Akatsuki are enough to shake Naruto's confidence, perhaps?

I also predict I'm going to be pissed off when Sasuke defeats two Akatsuki alone...

sKaR
June 01, 2007, 04:16 PM
wats up with that tobi.y is he such a wimp???next week is gonna b a great chapter.sasuke vs deidara.I wonder if deidara will want to take on sasuke 1 on 1 or make it a 2on1.the only real fighting of deidara we have seen was against gaara n in that fight he wasnt that strong atleast in my opinion compared to some other akatsuki.But since he is 1 u never no.I think on the naruto camp they may just show kabuto leaving n naruto n yamato contemplating over what just happened.Im pretty sure sum1 is gonna join the sasuke battle...prob at the end of the chapter to keep us excited n wanting...till the week after!!!!lol

OhDearMoshe
June 01, 2007, 04:23 PM
I sure dont buy kabuto's "I am so sad" speech. He doesnt regret Oro's death, by the way he used his eye in his favor and only God and Kishimoto knows what he's planing to do. I dont see what can he do now... If its true what he said about the way he never had an objective in his life, besides being apart of something important, whatever it is, then he would have no place to be right now. Every evil character has to have an objective, and kabuto isnt any different. He sure didnt change to the good side either... by the looks of his left eye

I never saw Kabuto as an "Evil" character, hes more impartial, he just likes to get wrapped up in events and how they transpire. Besides hes not helping Konoha hes helping Naruto, I think its more the Orochimaru in him though trying to manipulate Naruto and Co to take out more members!

alias85
June 01, 2007, 05:21 PM
Sakura follows Karin----they will eventually have a cat fight
Sasuke will fight Deidara and Tobi and hold his own for a bit, until Juugo comes, unless Juugo only activated his curse seal because Shino was in the area, and if its not Juugo I'm guessing Kakashi will be the one to come because Suigetsu is preoccupied with his own shi and it'll also be great to see old friends meet again...hehe obito
Kabuto will dip out, leaving Naruto, Hinata, Yamato with the book to ponder for a bit unless Naruto gets antsy and wants to head out asap

IMO

why won't orochimaru die already, and if kabuto is now "integrated" with orochimaru I can not see any reason for team Yamato to let him go, rather let him live, which they probably will

srankmissingnin
June 01, 2007, 05:43 PM
If Kakashi's nin-dogs didn't hear that explotion they are pretty useless.

Next week we will be treated to a long winded speech that makes little sense and no one cares by Kabuto... then a few pages of battle between Deidara and Sasuke. Kakashi will show up on the last page, saving Sasuke from an ass kicking and pave the way for Kakashi/Sasuke vs Deidara/Obito.

Konkun
June 01, 2007, 06:00 PM
Damn it, we wont know the Obito true identity from the book since he was recruited after Oro left. The book will be interesting, we might get to know who is the leader of AK and the unknown woman.

pop_swe
June 01, 2007, 06:58 PM
i mean geeesh! Sasuke going up against members of the group that his older brother is in, making his opponets around the strength of itachi (perhaps a bit lower since they don't have sharingan). Sasuke will test their strength, tobi will watch. Tobi really looks like a heavy genjutsu user to me, so maybe he'll trap sasuke in a genjutsu. Deidara wants revenge for his defeat against Naruto & Co last time, and will probably be very offensive. Sasuke will maybe use his CS.

About the book: The book contains,
1) True identities of all members of the akatsuki
and/or
2) The akatsuki's true goal. (which was explained by AK leader x chapters ago)

If 2), naruto will probably go :O and freeze and freak out and start doing what he is good at - being stupid and asking alot of questions.

Furthermore, the cat-fight is inevitable. Do I need to say more? :p

Also, it's a possibility this could turn into a battle royal, everyone is fihgting everyone. Many strong ppl are gathered at a single spot.

About other 2 Hebi's group members. Juugo, if any of them, will fight with sasuke, or just fight. ^^ I don't think we will see Suigetsu fight until they hook up with itachi and Kisame. He'll be the "joker", or something ^^.

As someone said, that explosion from deidara couldn't have been unheard. Too many ppl around.

Around the Kabuto part, im not quite sure what will happen. Will he fight? How much of Oro is really in him? Is oro dead, and kabuto crazy, so he just took some parts of orochimaru and injected them into himself, and now he's just claiming that oro is alive within him? Is oro alive within him? Could oro maybe talk in kabuto's mind, or maybe oro can take control over kabuto's body...

Who knows ^^ lots of question marks around kabuto - he'll probably die by naruto - naruto's first kill..? It will end up Kakashi/Yamamoto(tree guy) having to stop naruto from getting too emotional, thus embracing the kyuubi's powers once again.

kangster113
June 01, 2007, 07:07 PM
Sasuke will kill deidara, and probably toby.

the konoha team including naruto will try to fight kabuto with his new oro powers

Impel Down
June 01, 2007, 07:09 PM
Kabuto will try to touch Naruto, but it will burn him because of the love Naruto's mother had for him and Oro will run away and live in his diary.

MadDog
June 01, 2007, 07:16 PM
Like people have said, the book might shed some light on the mystery Akatsuki members.

Also, it could be a way for Kishimoto to give the back-story/details on:

Hidan's village, the Jashin religion, more about his zombie jutsu

Kakuzu's battle with the 1st Hokage (somethin Orochimaru would definelty be interested in)

Anything on Zetzu....

Even though Orochimaru hadn't been with Akatsuki for over a decade, I'd say he still would've had first class intelligence on the group. Being one of his top enemies, he'd definetly be keeping tabs on both old and new members so he'd know exactly what he's up against.

I predict that Naruto gives the book to someone who would understand it.

I also think there might be a very slight chance that Kabuto says something corny like, "the present is yours, but only if you can defeat me!!!" hahaha, that'd be great, but not likely to happen.

shachi
June 01, 2007, 07:30 PM
1. Karin senses Sasuke, Deidara, Tobi.
2. She heads back to him, but Sakura has figured out that Karin is somehow connected to Sasuke and follows her.
3. Karin tries to help out Sasuke, but endangers herself.
4. Sakura makes the save.

Uchiha Slayer
June 01, 2007, 08:30 PM
I Agree With you on that one, The next chapters will be Epic . Kishi Better do some cool Fight, No matter who's the Loser in those Battles

I feel the same way...This could one of the best fights we have seen in shippuden(hopefully)

snakes, sharingan, explosions, and power all in one battle...This is an S-Class fight in my book...

I hope kakashi shows up and fight with sasuke, then kakashi vs. tobi...Then kakashi relizes that he's fighting obito...but tobi is the rebirth of obito and some kind of genjutsu was cast on tobi from his rebirth, something like that....Hell of wishfull thinking

Oh yeah, hope sasuke f$^ks Deidara up, badly

ferza
June 01, 2007, 09:56 PM
I think the prediction for next chapter is quite obvious...But i also feel that Juugo will prolly fight Shino and Suigetsu will fight Kiba just to make things more interesting...OR OR OR Kakashi may fight Suigetsu, sorta like a rematch btw the demon Zabaza...Anyone agree?
[hr]
Oh crap i totally forgot about Sai...what is he upto these days... kekee

4ghost
June 01, 2007, 10:16 PM
I predict that Sakura will have a brief encounter with Karin, but be forced to retreat. The dogs will probably retrace the scent back to Karin then attempt to do a similar Doton technique they used on Zabuza only to be poisoned by another of Karin's unique abilities. Sakura will have to fall back then save the injured dog with her medical jutsu, kind of keeping the promise with Kakashi's on, "be nice to them, okay?"

I think that Naruto will be the first to understand just what is going on with Kabuto. They'll realize that in Kabuto's "attempt to surpass Orochimaru believing in his own power," he used his knowledge of the human body and medic jutsu to resurrect Orochimaru into his own body.

SacredNic
June 01, 2007, 10:29 PM
I think it's the end for Deidara. Tobi's life will be spared intentionally so that he can pass on a message to Itachi.

Yamato will try to capture Kabuto using a moku-technique, but will find that it's a clone.

Bartserk
June 01, 2007, 10:38 PM
I don't think Sasuke can keep up with both Deidara and Tobi. I mean, if he gathered a 4 man team to kill one single akatsuki, you can't expect to kill two of them single-handed. The main thing about the akatsuki pairs is that they fight with excellent teamwork. Even if Deidara and Tobi are always discussing, I can bet they fight like gods together. Sasuke will be in a considerable pinch and then reinforcements will come. Probably Juugo, or Kakashi. Or Shino, I would love to see him fighting side by side with Sasuke, and we know he's some kind of shady guy that's a box of surprises. They will win the fight sweating hard and will have a nice chat at the end, where probably Sasuke will say something avenger-like, turn around without looking back and leave to the sunset. To go search a coconut and stuff it into his... belly, of course. 'Cuz he's that kind of guy.

EDIT: About Tobi being Obito... guys, don't you think it's improbable as hell, to go saying it all the whole time? -.-

Marq
June 02, 2007, 12:39 AM
I think that the book is going to contain the identities of the Akatsuki, and we'll finally see who the last remaining Akatsuki are. I can't imagine what other sort of information would be contained in that book important enough for the storyline to compel Kishimoto to bring it into play. I'm also a little suspicious of Kabuto's motives, particularly why he would want to help Konohoa. I think the reason he gave in the current chapter sounds credible given the overall theme of Naruto, but nevertheless, perhaps what bit of Orochimaru that lingers in him desires to sabotage or put off the Konohoa team rather than see it be victorious. The way that it could do this of course is if the identities of the remaining Akatsuki are enough to shake Naruto's confidence, perhaps?

I also predict I'm going to be pissed off when Sasuke defeats two Akatsuki alone...

Pretty much what I think. Sasuke taking out 2 akatsuki members would really piss me off.
Take out one, yes, but two. That's pushing it.

As for predictions, yes it's going to be Sasuke v.s Dediara, and as usual Kishi will show Sasuke show new techniques to hype him up against Itachi. The book does bring up something. It probably does hold all the identies and all, but what if it has information far more than just identies. Eh? (Personally I still don't think the World Domination is the real plan, that's way too simple.)

pongy
June 02, 2007, 01:01 AM
I don't think Sasuke can keep up with both Deidara and Tobi. I mean, if he gathered a 4 man team to kill one single akatsuki, you can't expect to kill two of them single-handed. The main thing about the akatsuki pairs is that they fight with excellent teamwork. Even if Deidara and Tobi are always discussing, I can bet they fight like gods together. Sasuke will be in a considerable pinch and then reinforcements will come. Probably Juugo, or Kakashi. Or Shino, I would love to see him fighting side by side with Sasuke, and we know he's some kind of shady guy that's a box of surprises. They will win the fight sweating hard and will have a nice chat at the end, where probably Sasuke will say something avenger-like, turn around without looking back and leave to the sunset. To go search a coconut and stuff it into his... belly, of course. 'Cuz he's that kind of guy.

EDIT: About Tobi being Obito... guys, don't you think it's improbable as hell, to go saying it all the whole time? -.-

Yeah I don't want to imagine Sasuke handling 2 Akatsuki members at the same time either. But let's not forget Kishi's love for Sasuke. He might really do it. I don't think Deidara will escape twice, although I really hope he does. Honestly I don't want Sasuke to kill any Akatsuki except Itachi..

rudorudo
June 02, 2007, 01:58 AM
Hiya! This'll be my very first post - so here goes
Most of the guys involved in this triple-threat-battle have found their match ups, im guessin the next chapter will setup the fight between Kiba/Shino vs Juugo and having Kakashi tracking down Suigetsu in a 1 on 1 fight (prolly gonna expect some Zabuza flashbacks here). If I'm not mistaken - both ladies are looking for Itachi right? - Sakura/Karin confronting Itachi ? thats my wildcard prediction

4ghost
June 02, 2007, 02:19 AM
I would like to see Sasuke being forced to go on the defensive and finding it difficult to launch a counter attack because of their teamwork. Although of course he would still be holding his own. Just before Sasuke decides to use CS2 he gets assistance from the most unlikely source in Sai. At least briefly the pair would show impressive teamwork as well as Sai finally displaying his much lauded strength.

I think Sai would be a perfect opponent for Deidara, with his emotionless demeanor and Art jutsu. Deidara would most certainly try to get a rise out of Sai's blank expression not to mention Sai could probably say something to piss off Deidara. Also such a situation would give Tobi the opportunity to make some remark about Sai and Sasuke's similarity.

llamapie
June 02, 2007, 03:19 AM
I would like to see Sasuke being forced to go on the defensive and finding it difficult to launch a counter attack because of their teamwork. Although of course he would still be holding his own. Just before Sasuke decides to use CS2 he gets assistance from the most unlikely source in Sai. At least briefly the pair would show impressive teamwork as well as Sai finally displaying his much lauded strength.

I think Sai would be a perfect opponent for Deidara, with his emotionless demeanor and Art jutsu. Deidara would most certainly try to get a rise out of Sai's blank expression not to mention Sai could probably say something to piss off Deidara. Also such a situation would give Tobi the opportunity to make some remark about Sai and Sasuke's similarity.

that sounds somewhat plausable.. but honestly Oro was far beyond deidara's level.. I dont think sasuke will have much trouble.

rudorudo
June 02, 2007, 04:51 AM
I would like to see Sasuke being forced to go on the defensive and finding it difficult to launch a counter attack because of their teamwork. Although of course he would still be holding his own. Just before Sasuke decides to use CS2 he gets assistance from the most unlikely source in Sai. At least briefly the pair would show impressive teamwork as well as Sai finally displaying his much lauded strength.

I think Sai would be a perfect opponent for Deidara, with his emotionless demeanor and Art jutsu. Deidara would most certainly try to get a rise out of Sai's blank expression not to mention Sai could probably say something to piss off Deidara. Also such a situation would give Tobi the opportunity to make some remark about Sai and Sasuke's similarity.

hmmm now that you mention Art i think this would be a perfect set for a fight - since both Sai and Deidara are artists and tend to produce creatures from their art - and having the stereotypical roles swtiched, having 2 cold-hearted emotionless "good guys"(i guess u could consider Sasuke an anti-hero) against a noisy villain and a goofball would certainly be something new and entertaining.

ps. Remember Konohamaru's Yaoi-bunshin - suddenly having Sai and Sasuke team-up doesn't seem like a good idea

BlackDawn
June 02, 2007, 04:51 AM
I think deidara will go 1V1 with sasuke won't allow tobi to interfere. Sasuke will find himself strugeling and will receive backup ,only a silhouet will be seen at end of chapter. Karin and sakura another step close to each other, naruto kabuto talk continues. Rest will be people heading towards explosion with one of em being the backup for sasuke. Sai vs suigetsu .

Btw one arm of deidara was reatached by kazuzu , then who restored the other one (one crushed by gaara) there might be an akatsuki "...zetsu..." who can restore bodies bringing us one step closer to the tobi being a reconstructed version of obito

I used to be a non believer to. But 4th being AL naaah will never be true.

Konkun
June 02, 2007, 07:04 AM
Personally I would like to see Tobi kicking Sasuke butt and tearing him a new one; Sasuke is way too confidence. I think Kishi is setting up for Naruto to come fight AK and shows his new moves, and Sasuke will be once again amazed at Naruto's powers.

Mortific
June 02, 2007, 07:43 AM
As many others, I truly hope Kakashi will join the fight with Sasuke against the two Akatsuki. If he does, defeating Deidara and Tobi wouldn't be out of the question. But I really want to see Kakashi match up with something less than the gods, I feel I haven't seen what he can do at all yet. If Kakashi joins the fight, it would be a chilling return of Obito if either Sasuke or Kakashi tries to do a genjutsu or something on him, and nothing happens, because he probably still has the other Sharingan.

I don't really think that Orochimaru is dead, not in any form, nor do I think that he isn't the main villain. You can see that in the reluctance Kishimoto has in getting rid of the character. I theorized that Orochimaru would be the final villain in the whole series, with his soul in Sasuke (pretty vague explanation about what really happened after the battle) and his body in Kabuto. Maybe they merge? But it was necessary that Orochimaru got out of the way momentarily, since Sasuke wouldn't be free unless Orochimaru was out of the question.

IgnorantSage
June 02, 2007, 08:21 AM
Wow it's hard to predict what will happen at this point but if I had to predict something I'd say Deidara is a goner. Sasuke can summon Giant snakes now and even worse he's pursuing Itachi meaning any riff raff that gets in his way will either end up going home diced or sliced.


I don't think Deidara is saying bye-bye yet. Remember that he has Tobi with him and we don't know what Tobi is capable of yet. I bet that Sasuke is going to have a hard time dealing with these two Akas. He might even find himself outmatched by these two guys or at least he'll begin doubting his own skills to some extent.

Sasuke is in for a difficult battle and boy is he in a serious fix.

jodi
June 02, 2007, 08:31 AM
About Kabuto and Orochimaru:
Orochimaru is dead, what Kabuto did was something like that girl did to obito and kakashi
he used medical ninja and transplanted organs of Orochimaru to his own body
but Orochimaru is dead.

OhDearMoshe
June 02, 2007, 09:01 AM
About Kabuto and Orochimaru:
Orochimaru is dead, what Kabuto did was something like that girl did to obito and kakashi
he used medical ninja and transplanted organs of Orochimaru to his own body
but Orochimaru is dead.

Maybe but its still quite possible that Kishi is setting Kabuto upto to be the big bad, he may even try to steal Orochis soul back out of that dimension place!

Bartserk
June 02, 2007, 09:52 AM
We're forgetting the fact that, despite Sasuke has become stronger, in the inside he keeps on being the emo kid that he was before. A good proof of this is that even when he said he was going to kill naruto on a whim and that sort of crap he didn't ended doing, in the very end he doesn't want noone to be killed, even if they are perfect strangers such as the people in juugo's base or the underlings he keeps on telling Suigetsu not to kill. He keeps on being the same Sasuke that in the beginning, only that he's showing overconfident, just like in the battle before Gaara. And then, when he was shown that his power wasn't strong enough, he started to underestimate himself and his whole overconfidence stance crumbled down. I really hope that the fight with two Akatsukis is enough to bring that stupid overconfident look in his face, and we really see some sweating and some horror expression perhaps. Then he'll start doubting again and he'll show his true emo face. I can't wait to see it ^^ Even if he has a uber technique as the Sharingan, in lots of places in the manga has been shown that teamwork is better than brute strength, and I think Deidara and Tobi will have an amazing teamwork. Let's not forget that Deidara pwned Gaara. This time he's not alone.

neomaster121
June 02, 2007, 10:24 AM
Deidara beat gaara by attacking the village, Sasuke won't have that problem. I can see Sasuke checking out this guys techniques then dismantlling him disgracfully. I think he will leave tobi alive just to report back to itachi and the akatsuki that they are serious in their goal. I do think the fight will last more than 1 chapter

OhDearMoshe
June 02, 2007, 10:59 AM
Nawww fight like that, I know its an inevitability but i don't think its Deidara's time just yet! He has to livvve!

PredatorNar
June 02, 2007, 11:10 AM
Deidara beat gaara by attacking the village, Sasuke won't have that problem. I can see Sasuke checking out this guys techniques then dismantlling him disgracfully. I think he will leave tobi alive just to report back to itachi and the akatsuki that they are serious in their goal. I do think the fight will last more than 1 chapter

He beat Gaara by analyzing and attacking Gaara's two weaknesses. That's a part of battle: being resourceful and a good tactician. Now, can we stop being Sasuke fanatics and intelligently analyze this situation because from what I see Sasuke vs Deidara AND Tobi = Sasuke being pwned badly.

neomaster121
June 02, 2007, 11:28 AM
He beat Gaara by analyzing and attacking Gaara's two weaknesses. That's a part of battle: being resourceful and a good tactician. Now, can we stop being Sasuke fanatics and intelligently analyze this situation because from what I see Sasuke vs Deidara AND Tobi = Sasuke being pwned badly.

if its down to being able to analyze peoples weaknesses i think the sharingan wins. Already tobi attempted to distract sasuke, that failed as Sasuke protected himself with the snake summoning. Don't forget, Sasuke still has a jutsu that we haven't seen, (the one oro stopped him from using) The only unknowns parts of this fight is tobi's powers and sasukes jutsu's. A person who can take out hundreds maybe thousands of ninjas without killing anyone or getting hurt himself loose badly to two people even if they are akatsuki i don't see him loosing at all, and even if he does looses not as badly as you think.

PredatorNar
June 02, 2007, 11:37 AM
if its down to being able to analyze peoples weaknesses i think the sharingan wins. Already tobi attempted to distract sasuke, that failed as Sasuke protected himself with the snake summoning. Don't forget, Sasuke still has a jutsu that we haven't seen, (the one oro stopped him from using) The only unknowns parts of this fight is tobi's powers and sasukes jutsu's. A person who can take out hundreds maybe thousands of ninjas without killing anyone or getting hurt himself loose badly to two people even if they are akatsuki i don't see him loosing at all, and even if he does looses not as badly as you think.

Sharingan can't analyze Deidara's fighting style. Deidara rarely uses hand signs and can attack from long range. Sharingan's ability to analyze fighters is limited (like it can't analyze speed). The distraction did work to an extent as Sasuke barely survived the explosion and prob. used quite some bit of chakra to make that big snake. Just because he has an unknown jutsu doesn't mean it will get him out of this situation. And you just said Tobi's skills are unknown but you automatically assume Sasuke has a chance against him =\

Deidara's analysis skills are better because he will fight someone and then pinpoint their weakness during the fight and exploit it and seeing as Deidara's style is pretty versatile when it comes to the bombs (mixing the clay with Gaara's sand to surprise him), I'd say Deidara has the upper-hand when it comes to analytical skills and resourcefulness.

Also, please don't tell me you're comparing the 1000 chump ninjas to Akatsuki, please don't tell me, because Deidara could easily kill all those 1000 ninjas by bombing the crap out of them. That was a horrible comparison.

KyleUchiha
June 02, 2007, 11:55 AM
I don't understand why Kabuto was hiding if he wanted to talk to them.

I hope we actually get to "see" the battle between Sasuke/Tobi/Deidara. The way Sasuke moves its almost like an instant, I hope he won't do that during his whole fight.

It will be interesting how banged up, exhausted, etc., from this fight and whether or not he can actually beat both of them by himself.

jerger
June 02, 2007, 12:16 PM
oro is a snake with a snake personality.

kabuto is talking like a snake, putting words in naruto's mouth... he is fullfilling oro's wishes... but then he did say oro is dead... and he is being reborn... maybe he will be reincarnated as a good person instead of evil? (often stuff switches, male to female etc)

so he could also be fullfind the wish; to let naruto co whipe out akatsuki for them!

thats what they said several times
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sasuke does kill... he just doesn't kill innocent people, sparring buddies, neutral people taking orders...

HE DID SLICE A CURSED SEAL GUY IN HALF... i'm not sure if he lived, what do you think? maybe he ended up like a vietnam vet and he will be in a wheel chair in the next chapter.

rosalefay
June 02, 2007, 12:17 PM
Hmm... I'd like to see Kabuto pick some sort of side for once- but that's probably not happening. As for what's going down with the whole "Oro in Kabuto" thing, I think he took part of Oro's body + powers due to his crazy-cool med-nin powers but didn't resurect Oro's mind, or spirit, or something of that sort, so now Kabuto's got the best of both worlds- a cool and intelligent head on his shoulders(Kabuto) and some seriously bada-- powers (Oro).

I'd like to see some Karin vs. Sakura action- catfight, much? And maybe Juugo and Sugeitsu might get involoved in their own battles- I'd like to see Sai vs. Sugeistsu, but if Sugeitsu really is Sai's brother, odds are against that happening at this point in time. So perhaps Kiba or Shino could take on one or both, together or apart, and Kakashi could join up with Sasuke for one mad-insane battle between Kakashi/Sasuke and Deidara/Tobi.

ddemon23
June 02, 2007, 12:30 PM
Well here is what i think:

since i am inclined to believe that tobi= obito, i beleive that while deidara and sasuke are fighting, they will be pretty evenly matched. Then deidara will be caught off-guard and sustain an injury then tobi will step in and try an experimental jutsu. Because he is of the sharingan clan but without his sharingan he spent alot of his time developing an anti-sharingan justsu for neutrilization. This will render sasuke without his sharingan and then deidara can proceed to pwn him but wont get the chance to do any serious damage b/c then naruto will show up and come to his aid. deidara will be pleased to be fighting him but this time naruto will not use any kyuubi power against deidara just pwn him with his regular skills and some new stuff. deidara will die, and tobi will run away.

dJ_Helly
June 02, 2007, 12:35 PM
I don't think Sasuke or the akatsukimembers will be able to kill each other. And maybe we'll finally see the underestimated Tobi (well underestimated because of his personality) fight, revealing his powers.
About Kabuto, I think he'll probably use some technique to escape the konoha shinobi.

What I hope is, that because of the fighting between Sasuke/Deidara/tobi everyone will 'feel' there's some fighting going on and everyone will go to the battlescene. Because of this, I'm pretty sure Deidara/tobi will want to run away. Maybe they'll be able to run away again like last time or maybe they'll die.

DarkManSharingan32
June 02, 2007, 12:48 PM
Predictions:

The chapter will open with Sasuke and Deidara...with Tobi watching on. We'll get a bit of dialogue, and the hints of an attack, and then we'll get a chance to look at what other teams are doing. I suspect a bit of Hebi first, catching up with both Suigetsu and Juugo. Suigetsu will probably stumble upon Sai, while Juugo will likely meet up with the Naruto group; what better way to learn about Sasuke than from his best friend. I can see a really good manga moment coming from a Naruto/Juugo clash.

We may get a quick flash of what Sakura is up to as well as well as Kiba, but honestly it may be time for them all to reconvine... with all those fighting left "missing".

At the end of the chapter... I expect both Itachi and Kakashi will have the feeling that Sasuke is close, but I highly expect Kakashi to be the one to join the fight. Sasuke vs. Deidara, and Kakashi vs. Tobi... which will end next weeks chapter.
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Long term:
Hinata is killed by Juugo. That would be fun.

ANBU4U
June 02, 2007, 12:53 PM
Well, anyway you look at it the next three or so chapters will be a showcase of Sasuke's strength.

Regardless of what that strength is this scenario has been set up so we can finaly measure it relative to Naruto and Co. Thus far all we've gotten is some wicked snipits (CS1, CS2, Chidori Nagashi, Chidori Sword, Swordplay, Speed, Summoning, Genjutsu, and extreme finesse) but now we'll finaly see how that comes together against true S-ranked shinobi.....shinobi that we know first-hand are powerfull, and who we can compare to other characters ability...i.e. Kakashi and Naruto.

My honest prediction?

Tobi and Diedara attack together and Sasuke pulls out some nice moves, and a better strategey, to get out of this mess. Deidara gets totaly dismissed over 3 chapters without any CS2 action and then Tobi steps up and shows what he's all about saving his sempai's ass.

Deidara's alive but out of action and Tobi is guarding him thinking of his next move...meanwhile Sasuke is re-evaluating what he needs to do to rid himself of Tobi (remarking his reaction time).

Sasuke will say something like "I've only seen two people move like you." Then starts to get serious by either pulling out his hidden jutsu or going CS2.
Obito will laugh.

The rest of Hebi will then body flicker into the scene, prompting Tobi's comical and hasty retreat. Suigetsu will want to follow but Sasuke will wisely decide against it as he's not their target and ultimately more trouble then he's worth. Especially with the news Karin found out about Itachi and Kisame being in the area, that'll cut off any protest.

kheopz
June 02, 2007, 01:29 PM
I think that more than anything Tobi's identity will be revealed more than the fight between DieDara and Sasuke. If Tobi = Obito than it makes sense in such a way that DieDara Master is able to fix himself to be forever young and he might have found and fix Obito. Both DieDara qnd Obito are students of Sasori of the Red Sand and he has a strong sealing technique that Kabuto was able to Break but maybe Obito is still under that seal preventing him from remembering where is he from qnd zho he must look up too. So Tobi is Obito only if the context I mentioned still happened. I mean Sasori was able to turn himself into a puppet so he will never die so he could do the same on Obito. DieDara was able to re-create/re-attach his arm(with some new tricks to it) so my theory is a good one ans holds for now at least.

So I predict that the fight zill help us discover more of Tobi and someone from Team - 8 zill look from far to witness qll of this and will report to Kakashi. People pleqse remember that Teqm 8 is here to look for Itachi qnd not fight with Sasuke.

Slippers
June 02, 2007, 02:02 PM
Not alot of action is gonna happen in the next chapter
Basiclly is gonna show more stuff about Kabuto, maybe even a flashback, and stuff about Sai, Kakashi, Kiba and Shino
and a little bit on the Sasuke vs. Akas fight

ANBU4U
June 02, 2007, 02:12 PM
I think that more than anything Tobi's identity will be revealed more than the fight between DieDara and Sasuke. If Tobi = Obito than it makes sense in such a way that DieDara Master is able to fix himself to be forever young and he might have found and fix Obito. Both DieDara qnd Obito are students of Sasori of the Red Sand and he has a strong sealing technique that Kabuto was able to Break but maybe Obito is still under that seal preventing him from remembering where is he from qnd zho he must look up too. So Tobi is Obito only if the context I mentioned still happened. I mean Sasori was able to turn himself into a puppet so he will never die so he could do the same on Obito. DieDara was able to re-create/re-attach his arm(with some new tricks to it) so my theory is a good one ans holds for now at least.

So I predict that the fight zill help us discover more of Tobi and someone from Team - 8 zill look from far to witness qll of this and will report to Kakashi. People pleqse remember that Teqm 8 is here to look for Itachi qnd not fight with Sasuke.

1) Diedara didn't fix himself but rather another akatsuki member did.
2) Tobi was an apprentice of Zetsu, not Sasori.
3) Konoha is here to look for Sasuke, not Itachi. Which is admittedly strange given Naruto's declaration.

OhDearMoshe
June 02, 2007, 03:20 PM
^ Apparently not.

And Deidara wasn't Sasori's apprentice either. Otherwise hed be an underling not full fledged Akatsuki member. It just so happened they both liked art.

Sasori was Deidaras Sempai not his Sensei!

Tias
June 02, 2007, 03:37 PM
I think that more than anything Tobi's identity will be revealed more than the fight between DieDara and Sasuke. If Tobi = Obito than it makes sense in such a way that DieDara Master is able to fix himself to be forever young and he might have found and fix Obito. Both DieDara qnd Obito are students of Sasori of the Red Sand and he has a strong sealing technique that Kabuto was able to Break but maybe Obito is still under that seal preventing him from remembering where is he from qnd zho he must look up too. So Tobi is Obito only if the context I mentioned still happened. I mean Sasori was able to turn himself into a puppet so he will never die so he could do the same on Obito. DieDara was able to re-create/re-attach his arm(with some new tricks to it) so my theory is a good one ans holds for now at least.

So I predict that the fight zill help us discover more of Tobi and someone from Team - 8 zill look from far to witness qll of this and will report to Kakashi. People pleqse remember that Teqm 8 is here to look for Itachi qnd not fight with Sasuke.


and also, they arent there to find itachi, but sasuke.....sasuke is the first priority....itachi comes after finding sasuke(thats what kakashi said himself)
and deideras arm seems abit off...it dosnt look like it's a human arm....or it might be...could be a more rotten like human arm?
dunno...but it looked like it had the skin of that big state(like tree or something)

The Flash
June 02, 2007, 03:52 PM
Whats with this tobi=obito? obito is dead. Final. Dont even talk about it.. there has been a explanation proving Obito is not Tobi with actualy proven facts. Go look up in the toshokan.

Seriously go read the manga more often, and pay attention. there are a lot of key facts that uchiha itachi and his brother sasuke are the only uchiha's left. If you think tobi is obito.. then that ruins the whole story of Kakashi. Not even gona waste my time explaning it to you. Go figure it out. I'm sure the people here will tell you about it.
[hr]

I think that more than anything Tobi's identity will be revealed more than the fight between DieDara and Sasuke. If Tobi = Obito than it makes sense in such a way that DieDara Master is able to fix himself to be forever young and he might have found and fix Obito. Both DieDara qnd Obito are students of Sasori of the Red Sand and he has a strong sealing technique that Kabuto was able to Break but maybe Obito is still under that seal preventing him from remembering where is he from qnd zho he must look up too. So Tobi is Obito only if the context I mentioned still happened. I mean Sasori was able to turn himself into a puppet so he will never die so he could do the same on Obito. DieDara was able to re-create/re-attach his arm(with some new tricks to it) so my theory is a good one ans holds for now at least.

So I predict that the fight zill help us discover more of Tobi and someone from Team - 8 zill look from far to witness qll of this and will report to Kakashi. People pleqse remember that Teqm 8 is here to look for Itachi qnd not fight with Sasuke.

lol wow.

you sure your reading Naruto? hahha.. thats the most funniest thing i've heard all day. lol

4 words for you : "Understand the manga please" >> or you will make a fool of yourself.

Tias
June 02, 2007, 03:53 PM
well it might be that it's just kishi who loves to confuse us with another mysteries char who has one eye(or atleast a hole where one eye can see out)
but again, obito did also say to kakashi that his other side was already numb and smashed, his eye would have been smashed to no?

The Flash
June 02, 2007, 04:02 PM
^^ correct.

Thats one of the proof that shows why Obito is dead. To lazy to point it out. You guys saying "Kakazu or Sasori must have found Obito and fixed him up" is just very irrelevant.

-Tobi doesnt seem to be a puppet ( so cant be fixed by sasori)
-Idont think Kakuzu can repair people who are dead. but is possible. But before Kakuzu's death, there was no connection between kakuzu and Tobi. ( In kakashi gaiden series, shows Obito eyes closing, which shows his death)
-Sated many times that..there are only 2 uchihas. and remember obito is an uchiha.. whos dead.

-Wonder how kakashi got his MS? Maybe Obito could be another who couldve got the MS? lol.. not gona speculate anymore on that.

Tias
June 02, 2007, 04:07 PM
^^ correct.

Thats one of the proof that shows why Obito is dead. To lazy to point it out. You guys saying "Kakazu or Sasori must have found Obito and fixed him up" is just very irrevelant.

i would still like to say that in this manga everything can happen......

really, like what do i know....tensei no jutsu and midical jutsu , well he could be alive but a bunch of junk and stuff, it just happens that tobi's name are almost the same letters in obito, and they both have black hair, and the eye thing, kishimoto sure loves to pull of these things........

sKaR
June 02, 2007, 04:09 PM
lets see.the fight between sasuke n deidara continues.Im pretty sure tobi is not gonna interfere in this fight.Who knows...deidara may actually instruct tobi not too.Just the initial warming up of this fight will occur in this chapter as this 1 is definately gonna b collosal!!!yn yea...sakura may try n get back sasukes scent again.v may even see who juugo has found n another fight may ensue.Very interesting stuff all n all.Im pretty sure a new sasuke move may b shown next week as well.How thankful v r that kishi has made sasuke soo much cooler in this naruto than in the 1st 1.

Karma
June 02, 2007, 04:18 PM
I predicted someone from Hebi to die. and i think it would be juugo. I think sasuke going to get is ass beaten. at the time diedara should give sasuke the final blow. Juugo going to step in and take it.. sasuke going to achieve MS. because he feel that he was hopeless to take down diedara which is a lower rank for Itachi. and he make Juugo died.. when he told juugo he was going to protect him..

So everyone look forward to sasuke getting MS before this chapter end.

And for Naruto & kabuto.. I think Kobuto actually being is self as always. didn't surprise me.. he has a hidden agenda that will play out after the defeat of the AK group.

But what the Book will reveal? Will it tell us some thing we already know? or it will reveal the true plan of the Ak group? Because this could be some top secret that AK Leader didn't want to get out.. Like naruto parents etc.. And why they didn't take naruto all this time. if naruto wasn't intended to be special at birth.

Plus the old lady mention while back. that many people become Bijuu in a village. and they normaly extract the bijuu and put it in someone else after a period of time. So that will reveal who was the pass host. and if it connected with Naruto true ID.

It so obvious that the 4th Hokage was naruto father. Because just as Garra. Garra dad was the Kazge at time when they put the Bijuu in is son. it's like a unfortunate thing a hokage has to do.

so that explain why the the 4th Hokage implant that Bijuu in is son.. But what is weird to me. is Naruto mom.. where she is at?

I think the 4th died.. But naruto mom is alive. but she been with the AK group.. and also think the AL is naruto Uncle. is father twin.

Edited: someone correct me if i'm wrong. did orchimaru mention there was 3-4 person who surpasses the uchiha clan?

if that is correct:

It's the 1st or 2nd Hokage

3rd for sure.

and the 4th Hokage..


But also think when Orchimaru mention that statement. he was referring to clan which wasn't a Uchiha. like he was letting him know that is clan isn't the best. but with your eyes you can become the best. That lead me to believe that naruto always going to be above sasuke in power..

ANBU4U
June 02, 2007, 04:47 PM
I predicted someone from Hebi to die. and i think it would be juugo. I think sasuke going to get is ass beaten. at the time diedara should give sasuke the final blow. Juugo going to step in and take it.. sasuke going to achieve MS. because he feel that he was hopeless to take down diedara which is a lower rank for Itachi. and he make Juugo died.. when he told juugo he was going to protect him..

So everyone look forward to sasuke getting MS before this chapter end.

They're barely acquaintances, let alone best friends.




And for Naruto & kabuto.. I think Kobuto actually being is self as always. didn't surprise me.. he has a hidden agenda that will play out after the defeat of the AK group.

Probably, The book it's self was probably given in genuine thanks for his new outlook on life. But the scene served the dual purpose of letting us know what was ahead, and what Oro's legacy will be as....at this point I don't think it'll be Sasuke, as two Oro-like people walking around would be too much....he's honestly just not that great a villain.



But what the Book will reveal? Will it tell us some thing we already know? or it will reveal the true plan of the Ak group? Because this could be some top secret that AK Leader didn't want to get out.. Like naruto parents etc.. And why they didn't take naruto all this time. if naruto wasn't intended to be special at birth.

Likely it just has information of the special abilities of each member save AL. Were Konoah to figure each members techniques out through trial and error it would almost certainly lead to someones death....and you know konoah shinobi...even one death is an unacceptable casualty. I doubt ANY member really knows much more about AL than we do...so their wont be much their....I'm also willing to venture a guess that Hidan and Tobi aren't mentioned. We'll see.


Plus the old lady mention while back. that many people become Bijuu in a village. and they normaly extract the bijuu and put it in someone else after a period of time. So that will reveal who was the pass host. and if it connected with Naruto true ID.

For some reason I imagine the 4th was the first to manage the tall feat of sealing the kyuubi. But I have no proof. If I'm wrong I'm certain the Uchiha have something to do with the history of konoah and kyuubi.



It so obvious that the 4th Hokage was naruto father. Because just as Garra. Garra dad was the Kazge at time when they put the Bijuu in is son. it's like a unfortunate thing a hokage has to do.

Seems that way. Lord knows a good kage would sacrafice his own son and not someone else's. But we'll see.


so that explain why the the 4th Hokage implant that Bijuu in is son.. But what is weird to me. is Naruto mom.. where she is at?

Well do to the nature of the 4th's seal I think Naruto had the kyuubi sealed in him just after birth. But it's possible this wasn't the case and Naruto was sealed while he was still in the womb....meaning what happened to garra's mom may well have happened to his. Still I don't think thats the case.



I think the 4th died.. But naruto mom is alive. but she been with the AK group.. and also think the AL is naruto Uncle. is father twin.




Why?




Edited: someone correct me if i'm wrong. did orchimaru mention there was 3-4 person who surpasses the uchiha clan?

if that is correct:

It's the 1st or 2nd Hokage

3rd for sure.

and the 4th Hokage..


That was a fake spoiler.


But also think when Orchimaru mention that statement. he was referring to clan which wasn't a Uchiha. like he was letting him know that is clan isn't the best. but with your eyes you can become the best. That lead me to believe that naruto always going to be above sasuke in power..

Fake spoiler...

alias85
June 02, 2007, 05:03 PM
a little off topic but why's everyone hating on Sasuke. I mean Kabuto and Orochimaru acknowledged how strong Sasuke is, even when Naruto went into 4 tails fighting Orochimaru I had the feeling that he felt as if Sasuke is still superior than Naruto in terms of fighting. Sai even acknowledged how strong Sasuke is, I mean for the first time in his life he was shaken. Also, yeah he's an emo boy, but wouldn't you be an emo boy if your whole entire family was killed off by your brother and you turned your back on all your comrades, almost killing your best friend in the process. I'm no fanboy, but you guys aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Suigestu ftw~

OhDearMoshe
June 02, 2007, 05:18 PM
Some people just hate because he appears overpowered, however I don't think it will go quite down like that!

I predict Sasuke getting an butt kicking sometime soon!

FatalFlaw
June 02, 2007, 05:21 PM
Personally, I am a believer in the Tobi=Obito theory. There are just too many similarities in their character (personality as well as appearance) that points to the two coinciding for it not to be him. The manga does state that there are only two Uchihas left several times, however, the manga also alluded to the deaths of Chouji and Neji in the Rescue Sasuke arc, who both live on today. The point is, anything can happen in the Narutoverse.

Similarly to the allusions to the deaths of Neji and Chouji, we never actually see Obito die. We just see him close his eyes in the land of Iwagakure, with rocks coming down on him. Zetsu quite possibly could have saved him, realizing the importance of the Sharingan. It's somewhat possible that Deidara relayed this information to him, because he is a former Iwagakure ninja.

Anything, really, could happen. It's a fictional story. Who expected half of Kabuto's face to become Orochimarutized. =P

With that in mind, my prediction is that Kabuto will not fight with the three Konoha ninja. They will try to capture him, but Kabuto will somehow escape. I'm not sure it's possible as to how this could happen, considering Yamato has complete control over the surrounding area, but it is certainly not Kabuto's time to be captured, or die. That book, however, will come in handy later, as I will explain.

I'm not sure that it's Deidara's time to die yet. Sasuke will proficiently fight them. We have yet to see what Tobi can do, and Sasuke's new abilities haven't been exactly revealed yet, so I can't say exactly how, and it's safe to say that Kishimoto will reveal new things about both Sasuke and Tobi. I think Tobi will be shown to be able to dodge attacks relatively easily. However, Tobi's mask won't fall off.

Naruto will open the book that was given to him, and look through it. He'll look at the leader's information, he'll look at Itachi's information, and then Yamato will take a look at it. He'll look at the book more carefully, then be surprised.

At this time, Sasuke will be cornered, somehow trapped. The person that will help him out of this situation will be Kakashi. Of course, Sasuke won't accept his help, but there will be some reason for which Sasuke can't move. But Tobi is surprised, and yet happy. Deidara will say something about Kakashi coming to him so that he can get his revenge, and then Tobi will say something along the lines of "Kakashi! It's about time you came around!" Something like that. And then he'll begin to take off his mask...

It'll cut back to the three looking at the book, and Yamato will read out loud. Something along the lines of: "Tobi. Previous Identity: Uchiha Obito", and as he says this it'll cut back to the battlefield as Tobi takes off his mask, and there will be Obito Uchiha. Half of his face will be the same, the other half, with a different type of synthetic eye. This will happen at exactly the same time - his unmasking and Yamato's declaration.

I think that would be cool.

Saifi
June 02, 2007, 06:22 PM
ummm...juggo talks to a birdie who tell him that 2 huge weird birdies are carrying two men in cloaks , sensing danger for sauske juggo goes cs1 and heads to help out the one who kimimaroo died for ....

comments?

Littlewig
June 02, 2007, 11:56 PM
Everyone assumes that Tobi's mask is only to hide his identity, and the people against the Tobi=Obito theory use the argument that if Tobi was Obito, he wouldn't be able to see out the eye hole because Kakashi took that eye.

Well, I think the mask is not a means to hide his identity but an aid to giving him sight in his missing eye. The mask will only work if you have no eye or have some sort of special replacement eye.

ANBU4U
June 03, 2007, 12:12 AM
Everyone assumes that Tobi's mask is only to hide his identity, and the people against the Tobi=Obito theory use the argument that if Tobi was Obito, he wouldn't be able to see out the eye hole because Kakashi took that eye.

Well, I think the mask is not a means to hide his identity but an aid to giving him sight in his missing eye. The mask will only work if you have no eye or have some sort of special replacement eye.

Obito's left eye was taken. Tobi's right eye is open.

The theory against is that Obito's right eye would have been crushed by the rock as it was laying over that entire side of his body. Buttttt, then again thats the evolutionary function of eye sockets....to protect they eye from impact my depressing it. There's no solid evidence against the theory, and don't let anyone tell you their is. We'll see when we see.

shachi
June 03, 2007, 12:15 AM
I don't think Kabuto has any reason to stick around, next chapter. Even though he is on Konoha's wanted list, there are more pressing matters at hand. The sound of that explosion is going to remind Yamato of their mission. The only thing I expect Kabuto to do next chapter is to give Naruto a little advice before his team investigates that disturbance.

Interestingly, I believe Sakura is in the same city as Suigetsu. Perhaps she'll follow Karin, right? But Karin, being able to sense Suigetsu's location, will lead her pursuers right to him. Kabong. Ambush.

Toad Sage
June 03, 2007, 12:55 AM
I'm getting pretty annoyed by all these missives, so once again, here's your weekly reminder to remember the same things mods admonish you to remember every week.

This thread is for PREDICTIONS with some reasonable follow up discussion. I hate to be a killjoy, but we're trying to maintain a level of quality here and that is impossible if we allow just anything to be said.

Examples of "not predictions" are why you do or do not hate Sasuke, think he's gay, and that freakin' Tobi is the same person as Obito. There is a 75 page thread in the Akatsuki toshokan arguing back and forth about the fact their names are anagrams of each other, so if you're really interested in that CSI mystery, then head there because you're wasting precious minutes of your life by discussing here (that is, I shall delete it).

Otherwise please, pretty please, drink deeply of the notion that predictions are words strung together in a meaningful order that convey your ideas about future events to people who are not yourself. Do that here or else beware!

TS

PredatorNar
June 03, 2007, 03:45 AM
I think the best Sasuke will be able to do is hold his own against Deidara (Tobi may stand out for a while). Sasuke will probably try to get the upperhand with his speed and specialized attacks but Deidara has great analytical skills so he can come up with a plan to exploit Sasuke's weaknesses (Anyone feel Sakura is gonna join in and Deidara will hold her hostage or something :P)

Anyway, Kakashi will ultimately arrive and the battle begins (Future Tobi and Kakashi interaction)

Also long term prediction: Tobi betrays Akatsuki

renrutal
June 03, 2007, 04:33 AM
Predictions about KabutOro, Sasuke fighting..ahh whatever. Yet something important happened last chapter and no one said anything:

Hinata is the third person of the Rookie Nine who has found/was told about the Naruto-Kyuubi connection, and the first one out of Team 7.

I predict an awkward NaruHina moment with her telling him she already knew it for a really looong time.

dasher232
June 03, 2007, 05:53 AM
I predict we see some exclamation marks from all three as the leader and Blue hair is revealed in the black book and thier powers. (one can hope right?). And errm lets see, oh and Sasuke gets rid of Deidara and Tobi runs away. I want tobi to survive because I just love his character out of the other akatsuk's it's just refreshing. Though I think they'll both be killed off drawing the others out to stamp out the pests thats hindering their organisation.

PredatorNar
June 03, 2007, 06:27 AM
In addition to my long term prediction of Tobi betraying Akatsuki in the end, I also want to predict that the final villian in this manga will be non other than Kabuto.

When he said "I decided to find a new me, one stronger then Orochimaru-sama and I STARTED by integrating his soul into my body." This mean he's gonna make himself a super being hybrid and Orochimaru is just the start. He will definitely be the strong badass before this series is over.

KyleUchiha
June 03, 2007, 07:52 AM
I wouldn't be surprise if Kishi makes Sasuke take on Tobi and Deidara at the same, but from most of the battles that have happened in Part 2, its mostly involving a group, so more than likely someone else is going to join the fray in Sasuke's battle. Maybe Naruto, Sakura, and or Juugo for some type of Back up.

It would be cool if Sasuke is about to be to hit by a major attack and somehow Naruto saves Sasuke from the attack. Pride knocked down a couple of points for Sasuke.

Don Lazy
June 03, 2007, 08:36 AM
i predict that naruto will show us what he learnd during the hebi arc, i cant belive narutos injuried arm need so long to heal. And naruto is not a dumpass that he cancel his training

heiky0711
June 03, 2007, 09:44 AM
My prediction is that for the next two to three chapters will all be about sasuke v.s deidara.

Maybe after the battle between those two ends, we might see the Leafs ( Naruto, Yamato and Hinata) finish their conversation with Kabuto and read the given book.

Personally, i think that's the time when the leader of Akatsuki will be revealed and their objectives, location and so on.

Deidara will either be dead or retreat maybe because the leader wants him to return. Tobi looks a bit goofed off but i still think there's something up his sleeves which i can't wait.

I'm hoping that Deidara will be better prepared than his last battle against Gaara then we'll might see yet another great battle.

We have yet to see Deidara's true potential.

There's one more thing that i'm curious at:

What's Kabuto's purpose? Is it for a good or bad cause that he's doing?

4ghost
June 03, 2007, 10:56 AM
My prediction for the book is that it will have more details on the workings of the entire Akatsuki organization. If we look at the Akatsuki organization as if it were a body the AL would be the head, the remaining 6 members would be the heart and members like Yuura, what Kabuto was and Tobi's former position would be the limbs or branches of that organization. I believe that in addition to revealing those members that are at the heart of the organization it reveals those branch members, the limbs, that act as spies throughout the various Hidden Villages.

ANBU4U
June 03, 2007, 11:22 AM
Predictions about KabutOro, Sasuke fighting..ahh whatever. Yet something important happened last chapter and no one said anything:

Hinata is the third person of the Rookie Nine who has found/was told about the Naruto-Kyuubi connection, and the first one out of Team 7.

I predict an awkward NaruHina moment with her telling him she already knew it for a really looong time.

Everyone was told casually last chapter. So apparently everyones known for sometime, as no one exhibited any shock...a real waste of a plot point.

OhDearMoshe
June 03, 2007, 01:19 PM
I think they would have known as Kakashi said they were briefed so I would assume they knew shortly prior. They must have known Naruto was special for some time now anyway!

AngelMayLaugh
June 03, 2007, 02:17 PM
My prediction is that for the next two to three chapters will all be about sasuke v.s deidara.

Maybe after the battle between those two ends, we might see the Leafs ( Naruto, Yamato and Hinata) finish their conversation with Kabuto and read the given book.

Personally, i think that's the time when the leader of Akatsuki will be revealed and their objectives, location and so on.

Deidara will either be dead or retreat maybe because the leader wants him to return. Tobi looks a bit goofed off but i still think there's something up his sleeves which i can't wait.

I'm hoping that Deidara will be better prepared than his last battle against Gaara then we'll might see yet another great battle.

We have yet to see Deidara's true potential.

There's one more thing that i'm curious at:

What's Kabuto's purpose? Is it for a good or bad cause that he's doing?

I was also thinking about Deidara's true potential. Since Deidera had to capture Gaara he had to hold back, but since he doesn't have to capture Sasuke I think he'll go all out. This might be the best fight thus far. (And I think that he was also on low supply of clay when fighting Gaara)

I think Sasuke and Deidara will duke it out with some details of what Konoha and hebi are doing inbetween.

Kaborochi
June 03, 2007, 02:49 PM
Im predicting that we will get to see Tobi in action. Of all the Akatsuki members introduced thus far, he is the only one that has not shown us his skills and techniques. Even though the preview of the next chapter says that it will be Sasuke vs Deidera, I have come to not trust these previews, and I am therefore hoping that Kishimoto unveils Tobi.

If we remember earlier, we knew that Akatsuki were planning on sealing another of the Jinchuuriki. Could Tobi and Deidera be other sacrifices to the Shouten no Jutsu, or has the sealing been delayed to deal with Hebi and the Konoha squad?

yemsta
June 03, 2007, 02:52 PM
I was also thinking about Deidara's true potential. Since Deidera had to capture Gaara he had to hold back, but since he doesn't have to capture Sasuke I think he'll go all out. This might be the best fight thus far. (And I think that he was also on low supply of clay when fighting Gaara)

I think Sasuke and Deidara will duke it out with some details of what Konoha and hebi are doing inbetween.

I think its tobi's time to shine now he hasnt really featured and thinking about it he is in the akatsuki no matter how dumb he acts so he must have some skills.

my prediction is that deidara will start fighting sasuke and tobi will not play a part in it much to my dissapointment I really do want to see his skills and of course to see whats under the mask.

Sasuke is going to have serious trouble here he will get a good slap in the face and realise he is not as strong as he thinks he is. It seems though that neither of them will die or deidara will die but its most likely that they will be forced to retreat due to AL leader.

sharingan_kakashi
June 03, 2007, 03:12 PM
Im predicting that we will get to see Tobi in action. Of all the Akatsuki members introduced thus far, he is the only one that has not shown us his skills and techniques. Even though the preview of the next chapter says that it will be Sasuke vs Deidera, I have come to not trust these previews, and I am therefore hoping that Kishimoto unveils Tobi.


I agree.
I predict that sasuke stabs Deidara with his sword or at least kill him instantly in the next chapter. Deidara is slow as hell without his clay birds. Deidara talks to much he should die.

OR

It will be an airial fight and we'll get to see if sasuke can really fly or not. His wings lok more like extra hands than working wings. (and dont flame me about Sasuke being able to fly)

xun
June 03, 2007, 03:22 PM
it's very difficult to guess what's going on next. Kishi can put various story plot on this.

I think Deidara and Tobi just run away because they couldn't fight Sasuke. Sasuke learn some information about itachi. Then, the search is going on. Hebi and Konoha team still search itachi seperately.

but some how, it's also possible that Deidara should be killed by sasuke. because normally Akatsuki general members were killed after two fights in Manga :-)

or Sasuke gets injure and is healed by Sakura and join Konoha team for the search (this scenario is impossible but who know)

Kaborochi
June 03, 2007, 03:24 PM
I agree.
I predict that sasuke stabs Deidara with his sword or at least kill him instantly in the next chapter. Deidara is slow as hell without his clay birds. Deidara talks to much he should die.

I agree there as well. Deidera was not able to defeat a two-man cell of Kakashi and Naruto, and Sasuke was able to defeat the four man cell of Naruto, Sai, Sakura and the wood guy (forget his name :p ). Therefore if it was a one vs one fight featuring Sasuke and Deidera, I believe the victor is clear.

AngelMayLaugh
June 03, 2007, 04:39 PM
I agree.
I predict that sasuke stabs Deidara with his sword or at least kill him instantly in the next chapter. Deidara is slow as hell without his clay birds. Deidara talks to much he should die.

OR

It will be an airial fight and we'll get to see if sasuke can really fly or not. His wings lok more like extra hands than working wings. (and dont flame me about Sasuke being able to fly)

Come on, Intantly? I could see if Sasuke was up against konohamaru, but an akatsuki member? Deidara could be slow without his clay birds, but there could be other animals he is capable of molding with clay, And this time around Deidara has two bags of clay with him so he shouldn't run out of clay so quickly.

pop_swe
June 03, 2007, 05:46 PM
The more i think 'bout it, the more i wanna know what's the content of that goddamn book naruto got from kabuto.

It must contain some astonishing, very vital information for kishi to put it in the storyline all of a sudden.

Maybe the akatsuki leader (AL) and the last unknown akatsuki member ( a woman from what i've heard from others ) might be revealed.

Sorry to space out from the subject a bit now, but - i watched the Naruto Shippuuden 016 a couple of hours ago, and it said something like this:

The Hidden Village of Sand's council are discussing:

"Our 3rd kazekage was the greatest ninja of all time, it was said he was undefeatable. Suddenly, he disappeared, and we searched for him for a very long time, with no luck. He's assumed dead... But, we didn't even find a corpse."
--

Could it possibly be so that the AL is the 3rd kazekage ?
And the "woman" in akatsuki, maybe she will be revealed. probably not,

but i so goddamn want to know the content of that book - more than watching the perhaps most epic fight so far in this series.

ARGH give me naruto 357 !!!!!!!

EDIT: A strong possibility is also that the book describes the ultimate goal for akatsuki...

Mendes
June 03, 2007, 06:04 PM
The Hidden Village of Sand's council are discussing:

"Our 3rd kazekage was the greatest ninja of all time, it was said he was undefeatable. Suddenly, he disappeared, and we searched for him for a very long time, with no luck. He's assumed dead... But, we didn't even find a corpse."
--

Could it possibly be so that the AL is the 3rd kazekage ?
And the "woman" in akatsuki, maybe she will be revealed. probably not,

I had a thought about that too, they looked similar in power level as well, but i was reminded the 3rd kazekage was killed by Sasori and used as a puppet against Sakura and Chiyo. So... forget about him :P

Predictions:

Other than sasuke's fight, it is possible that we'll see a bit of Kabuto's past, to confirm whether he was true or fake when he spoke to naruto, telling him he did everything he did for no reason other than having an identity. If he wanted an identity he apparently had lots of opportunities, as he was adopted by a ninja and has great talent as well.

He says he's like Naruto, but I dont think we can compare their childhoods with the elements we have now. Naruto was hated by the adults, and therefore, hated by his generation as well. His lack of talent didnt help at all to gain confidence and respect from other people. Kabuto, on the other hand, was talented, and although he was born in another village they were in war with, he was a konoha nin and i dont think people would suspect him for that.

Kabuto is just evil, and i think he's about to be the next villain.

bighawke5
June 03, 2007, 07:17 PM
i still think the book is stupid y? well becuz it wont tell them anything new...it wont show naruto wat kind of taijutsu to do on the rest of the akatsuki menbers and it wont show him how to avoid their gengutsus or ninjutsus...

thing is it prob will tell them bout akatsuki's major plan...o wow we all have a clue they all have a clue...its D'uhh evil...so as long as its evil and has something to do with collectin all the jinchurikies then yea there's no other reasons needed....they just need to stop them so the book well only tell them somethin akatsuki wants to do..well d'uh they knew akatsuki would do something sooner or later...and it involves all the tailed beast so there's no point to the book. we know what akatsuki wants to do is bad and so do the characters...

they'll prob give a surprised look next chapter like they didnt know akatsuki was bout to do something bad...im sure of this and this is more wasting of paper kishi could be using to give us vicious fights...

naruto and yamato will prob say somethin like
"i had no idea..this is..."
d'oh u knew they were evil already and would do evil things...part of y they were setting out to stop them riight so the book has no purpose besides adding stuff we already knew


now the other thing the book can do is give names and specialty areas of akatsuki menbers jutsu wise...but that still wont help naruto cuz it dont teach him any jutsu to prevent himself against them..imo
anyhow i only look forward to the fight b/w sasuke and deidara and i look forward to tobi showing us the jutsu he used to one hit k.o the tailed beast...also looking forward to naruto's crew findin someone to fight enough talkin for them i want action

starfall856
June 03, 2007, 07:21 PM
Ok! I have to interrupt this discussion for a very important question...

I the Heck happened to Kabuto?

did Orochimaru manage to switch bodies?
Or did Kabuto like steal his eye?
Or did he just like eat him or something?

I need some theories that will help me make sense

Predictions: I think Sasuke will kick Deidara's booty but when it comes to Tobi...we haven't seen his whole power yet so I think he will be a force to be reckoned with

Erm..and Juugo just gonna like pop out of the woods and kick whosoever butt he first sees since two chapters ago his curse mark was expanding= CrAzY

ANBU4U
June 03, 2007, 07:30 PM
Ok! I have to interrupt this discussion for a very important question...

I the Heck happened to Kabuto?

did Orochimaru manage to switch bodies?
Or did Kabuto like steal his eye?
Or did he just like eat him or something?

I need some theories that will help me make sense

Predictions: I think Sasuke will kick Deidara's booty but when it comes to Tobi...we haven't seen his whole power yet so I think he will be a force to be reckoned with

Erm..and Juugo just gonna like pop out of the woods and kick whosoever butt he first sees since two chapters ago his curse mark was expanding= CrAzY

I'm assuming he used medical jutsu to incorporate the lifeless chunks of Oro's "true" body into his own. But I'm certain we won't find out for sure for some time.

Mendes
June 03, 2007, 07:34 PM
Ok! I have to interrupt this discussion for a very important question...

I the Heck happened to Kabuto?

did Orochimaru manage to switch bodies?
Or did Kabuto like steal his eye?
Or did he just like eat him or something?

I need some theories that will help me make sense

Thats what everyones asking after this chapter... I mean, Oro's body disappeared after the fight with Sasuke right? So... how can Kabuto have his eye?
My only bet is that Kabuto, as oro's personal doctor, gathered many data on his 'master', maybe some blood samples as well. Who knows... maybe Kabuto found out a way to get some characteristics of Orochimaru.
I recently re-watched the anime, and i just got to the part where Kabuto was helping Team 7 in the chuunin exam. After being surprisingly hit by the mist village ninja's, kabuto, in rage, got his eyes covered with a strange red... it really seemed to me like a bloodline limit, and maybe it can be what allowed him to create that new eye of his.

Lord_Sasori
June 03, 2007, 07:37 PM
Well whats interesting is, Orochimaru is actually dead. So that being said I think Kabuto probably injected oro's cells in him or somethin crazy.

AngelMayLaugh
June 03, 2007, 07:42 PM
The eye thing made me think of Kakashi's eye transplant. But they are/were different. Kakashi just got the eyeball, and Kabuto looks like he got a chunk of Oro's face.

darkstar7
June 03, 2007, 09:44 PM
The eye thing made me think of Kakashi's eye transplant. But they are/were different. Kakashi just got the eyeball, and Kabuto looks like he got a chunk of Oro's face.

yep, that's exactly what it looks like to me too!

This is the only part that seems hard to predict for the next chapter.

Is kabuto just gonna leave or are they gonna fight or...what?

I doubt there will be any fights between hebi and konoha, since neither of the two teams really know what the others look like. Something will happen only if kakashi or naruto run into suigetsu because they'll recognize zabuza's sword.

any guesses on this though---->what exactly can deidara do besides his explosions?

I'm wondering if he is at all a good taijutsu fighter? if not, I plan to see sasuke running aruond dodging deidara's explosions being the majority of the fight!

Decorus
June 03, 2007, 10:21 PM
In the world of Naruto knowledge is power. The book obviously contains all of Orochimaru's notes on the Akatsuki organization which can enable Konoha to cripple thier organization's structure. The big bads at the top are powerful, but they still need thier minions to gather intelligence, hold thier money, equip them with weaponry and provide key support. Sasori and Deidara would have had a much more difficult time attacking the Village of the Sand if thier agent in the village had been exposed.

Kaborochi
June 03, 2007, 11:00 PM
It is safe to assume that the leader of the Akatsuki is the founder of Akatsuki.:blink Us as viewers of the manga do not get to see who the other members of Akatsuki are as I am sure there is something about the leader that is meant to be a twister. However, since the book that was given to Naruto was compiled by Orochimaru, a previous member of the group, it is safe for us to assume that he has seen the faces and knows the identities of the remaining Akatsuki members; which is vital to Konoha. I therefore believe that the contents of the book given to Naruto by Kabuto contains vital information about the members, and I believe that we are not far from discovering the identities of the remaining members of Akatsuki.

voidyou17
June 04, 2007, 01:59 AM
Ok! I have to interrupt this discussion for a very important question...

I the Heck happened to Kabuto?

did Orochimaru manage to switch bodies?
Or did Kabuto like steal his eye?
Or did he just like eat him or something?

I need some theories that will help me make sense

In my opinion Oro was a genius and I find it truly hard to believe that he would be defeated by the same technique twice... However he was surely into genetics and Kabuto was one his best scientist so maybe he found a way to clone Oro or some kind of gene therapy...incase soemthing happened to him... but before this chapter I had alwasy thought that Oro was just hiding in Sasuke waiting for him to bring Itachi with in an inch of his life so he could take over and transfer into Itachis body since Itachi was his first love and we all know how hard it is to let go of those first loves...

Prediction: Sasuke and Deidara will test one another and posture... not much will happen... we will see a scene with Juugo and Shino(Hopefully).

rionin
June 04, 2007, 02:11 AM
here's how its going down

sasuske will fight deid in first few pages

then it will show karin going through the town and off in the woods with sakura following her(sasuske scent she thinks karins leading her to sasuske)

kabuto will do his see ya later jutsu naruto and company won't be able to spot him and are about to head off and booya itachi lands in front of him.

then back to karin who spots itachi and naruto and says this sasuske will love to hear that I fount his brother itachi of course sakura will hear this and see itachi in front of karin and see naruto and gang karin will then speed off to the right sakura wondering what to do and chapter ends.

Freaky
June 04, 2007, 05:38 AM
my prediction of the fight between deidara and sasuke: of course it would be a badass fight, but probably sasuke will lose, not really lose but get some major wounds, and there comes the people to fight deidara and tobi to backoff from sasuke,

and it would not be kakashi, but itachi and kisame, i think because kisame asked itachi if he's okay with the fact deidara attacking his little brother, and i think he won't like that because he wants sasuke to be his succesor or else he would have killed sasuke long time ago, sasuke wants to fight itachi but itachi won't allow it because he is wounded and because of that he will lose and itachi wants a fair fight

and its almost impossible that sai and deidara won't fight each other because they are both art justsu users :P

Spanishinobi
June 04, 2007, 06:50 AM
My prediction:
Naruto, Yamato and Hinata will read the book and they will discover who the members of akatsuki are, and in the last page we will see who the AL is
Sasuke will just be angry and he is about to show "that jutsu"
Sakura will follow Karin, and Karin will discover she is being followed.
Maybe one page about Suigetsu while Naruto's team is reading about Kakuzu in the book.

Mendes
June 04, 2007, 06:58 AM
There are plenty of things that the book may contain. Kabuto is an extremely efficient spy, and both he and Oro must have lots of information about the akatsuki. If that book actually contains every detail they had about akatsuki, it must have not only information we got, like their objectives and some members, but also things we dont know about. Maybe the identity and skills of those we dont know from the organization, maybe meeting places (if they ever stick to one), methods, and so on. Anyway, its always useful to possess information gathered by oro and kabuto. For konoha and specially naruto, that information is vital if they are to approach akatsuki

m0ji
June 04, 2007, 08:02 AM
My Prediction for the next few chapters:

Karin will discover she is being followed!Sakura will ask her questions about Sasuke but i think Karin will atk Sakura and we ll see a fight.Narutos group will read about Akatsuki in the black book!

Sasuke vs Deidara & Tobi fight will start...though i think it ll be a very fast fight...Deidara is too confident.He may have strong claybombs...but what advantage does that give to him when Sasuke with his Taijutsu (Gaara had no Taijutsu nore speed so Deidara had plenty time to think) will be behind Deidara in a blink of an eye....he ll just cut his head off and thats it...I think deidara is a goner to 99.9%....the last 0.1% are for Tobis coming in...(showin he is Obito and a Sharingan fight will start *wishes for it*) But Tobi will rescue Deidaras ass...if not he is dead.

I think sasuke doesnt have the time to deal with Deidara...he wants information...and a dead Deidara and a talking Tobi is perfect...we ll see :)But Sasuke will own Deidara for sure.He has nothing but his claybombs...And Sasuke...is not just fast,but strong too and a genius...also he has the sharingan...and Deidara looked right into it... he could be already catched by a Genjutsu!!which would mean he is dead already ;)

jodi
June 04, 2007, 08:06 AM
My Prediction for the next few chapters:

Karin will discover she is being followed!Sakura will ask her questions about Sasuke but i think Karin will atk Sakura and we ll see a fight.Narutos group will read about Akatsuki in the black book!

Sasuke vs Deidara & Tobi fight will start...though i think it ll be a very fast fight...Deidara is too confident.He may have strong claybombs...but what advantage does that give to him when Sasuke with his Taijutsu (Gaara had no Taijutsu nore speed so Deidara had plenty time to think) will be behind Deidara in a blink of an eye....he ll just cut his head off and thats it...I think deidara is a goner to 99.9%....the last 0.1% are for Tobis coming in...(showin he is Obito and a Sharingan fight will start *wishes for it*) But Tobi will rescue Deidaras ass...if not he is dead.

I think sasuke doesnt have the time to deal with Deidara...he wants information...and a dead Deidara and a talking Tobi is perfect...we ll see :)But Sasuke will own Deidara for sure.He has nothing but his claybombs...And Sasuke...is not just fast,but strong too and a genius...also he has the sharingan...and Deidara looked right into it... he could be already catched by a Genjutsu!!which would mean he is dead already ;)

You are taking Deidara too low
Deidara killed Gaara, fought Naruto and Kakashi
and he did scape from gai team too
Sasuke is strongh, but we shall see a good fight there
Deidara already know Sharingan from Itachi...

Well, it will be a good fight.
I don't think that Deidara is going to lose so fast..

bastek75
June 04, 2007, 08:11 AM
Main action:
Being in minority, I think Sasuke will take his sword and wait for an attack. He might also fail using gengutsu to trap akatsuky's.
Deidara will probably create a diversion with a distant clay attack. Meanwhile, Tobi who should have run to hit will be found at the same place (acting as sleeping or something else stupid). Conclusion: one more blow for deidara plus minor injuries (prefiguring another arm loss)

Side:
Understanding Kabuto's solitude, Naruto will be astonished for a while but will quickly dispute his choice (reminding us Sasuke's speech about Orochimaru's goal and means). As another living proof of acknowledgment to both Oro's intelligence and cruelty, Juugo will appear to ask the info about AK.

Holland
June 04, 2007, 08:13 AM
I believe that Tobi will beat Sasuke, after all he has the sharingan also...(cough,obito..cough,cough) also, about Kabuto, we saw him look at Oro's hand on that table, I think thats where he got his material to make another Oro, because if he used any of Oro's body switch subjects they would'nt have his DNA. He won't have Oro's memory but he may have Oro's ambition..back to Tobi, I was looking through some of the manga before Tobi was let into akatsuki and he looks like some sort of robot with screws up and down his arms and sides, which falls perfectly into him being Obito after he got smashed....but, he doesn't seem to recognize(or have a reaction to) Kakashi's name so he may not be. I believe he is stronger than Deidara (or has better finishing moves), so he will be the one to take Sasuke down...in theory...lol...prediction.

m0ji
June 04, 2007, 08:15 AM
You are taking Deidara too low
Deidara killed Gaara, fought Naruto and Kakashi
and he did scape from gai team too
Sasuke is strongh, but we shall see a good fight there
Deidara already know Sharingan from Itachi...

Well, it will be a good fight.
I don't think that Deidara is going to lose so fast..

i m 100% sure Deidara will have no big chance agains Sasuke...i m not taking him too low...

He jumped of his bird when he stared at Sasukes eyes...he probably is cought in a Genjutsu already...he has no chance ;)
Sasuke doesnt give a shit about others...all he wants is Itachi and Akatsuki dead :darn

Bartserk
June 04, 2007, 08:21 AM
The 3rd kazekage was killed by sasori himself. Just like Kakuzu killed shodaime (first hokage of konoha)

First statement is right, we indeed saw the 3rd kazekage's corpse (or whatever) controlled by Sasori and how it ended up crushed by Sakura and Chiyo. But as for the first hokage, not only it's an assumption of yours because it isn't said anywhere, but as well it is a very bad one. Think about it: if Kakuzu would have killed the first, obviously he would have stolen his heart for his abnormal chakra properties. And when kakuzu fough the konoha team, and we saw all his masks floating around, there was no Mokuton mask there. There was only one heart for each regular element. Obviously kakuzu and the first fought, but the first was not so easy to kill. In fact, when Naruto and Sasuke fough at the end of the rescue arc, we were shown two statues bound to have a great destiny. One was the first, if I didn't remember bad, and the other one is still unknown. So I think there's still much plot related to the first, to be killed by a mere S-class criminal ;p

I want to correct myself in a prediction I made earlier. I saw all akatsuki pairs have amazing teamwork, but that might not be correct. In fact, for what we've seen so far Deidara seems the lone wolf kind, blabbering about his art crap and fighting alone to prove himself. Tobi, as Sasuke isn't a target to the Akatsuki, will respect Deidara's whim and let them fight alone, and I think for a time they will fight equally. Sasuke always has had the bad habit of underestimating his opponents, and as Deidara will keep on attacking his weak spots Sasuke will be on a pinch for a while. Anyway, Sasuke will end up managing to reverse it and be close to kill Deidara, and then is when Tobi will come into play. Tobi is a weird guy, but taking into consideration what has written Kishi so far, his strange personality means he'll be super powerful. Much more than Sasuke, and perhaps more than Itachi. If not, why would Akatsuki be interested in taking him in? He'll either leave Sasuke near death with a crazy jutsu (like, Katon Rasengan or something like that, I wouldn't be surprised at all) and flee with Deidara (because he nor his organisation have nothing against him) or just grab his mate and flee.

m0ji
June 04, 2007, 08:35 AM
well i still hold to my prediction :) Deidara will be sliced in to pieces ;) He may be Akatsuki but he is the one that underestimates Sasuke...He may know Itachi...but he doesnt know Sasuke..and Sasuke doesnt have the same abilities like Itachi ;) Dont forget his Sword,his transformation and also he has not just fire but lightning too ;) We never saw Itachi using anything different from fire jutsus.Deidara is not fast enough for Sasuke.

Bartserk
June 04, 2007, 08:57 AM
Well, this is going to be the first time we see Deidara fighting on the ground, so he'll probably show up some new abilities. And there's a possibility that Sasuke doesn't have information about Deidara. When Orochimaru was in Akatsuki, he was Sasori's partner, so probably Deidara entered when Oro left. This could mean that Oro never knew Deidara, as well as he never knew Tobi. What's clear is that when the smoke is cleared and Sasuke is still standing Deidara isn't surprised at all. The bird shots were just to test his opponent, so the fight has just begun.

P.S - In fact it was Lightning > Earth. And Water > Fire.

Uchiha Slayer
June 04, 2007, 09:11 AM
You know what does anybody think Sasuke will go CS2 and fly...I think Diedara will see he is at an disadvantage fighting on the ground and retreat to the air. I just cant see Sasuke not going CS2 after going CS2 eairly in the fight with Orochimaru, its a given it got to happen. This also set the scene for Tobi to be alone while somebody sneaks upon him(maybe kakashi,hopefully).

m0ji
June 04, 2007, 09:17 AM
Well, this is going to be the first time we see Deidara fighting on the ground, so he'll probably show up some new abilities. And there's a possibility that Sasuke doesn't have information about Deidara. When Orochimaru was in Akatsuki, he was Sasori's partner, so probably Deidara entered when Oro left. This could mean that Oro never knew Deidara, as well as he never knew Tobi. What's clear is that when the smoke is cleared and Sasuke is still standing Deidara isn't surprised at all. The bird shots were just to test his opponent, so the fight has just begun.

P.S - In fact it was Lightning > Earth. And Water > Fire.

Tobi is the key to this fight...Not Deidara is the number one fighter here....i think Tobi has something up his sleeves...He may be a little...well kinda a scarecat...but he is more than it seems...He survived a Biju...well "Jinchuriki"...meaning he cant be that weak ;)
He is the right opponent for Sasuke...Deidara....as i said it a 1000 times...is at a big disadvantage ;) and i m sure he is already cought in a genjutsu...That would be just smart for Sasuke facing 2 Akas...

Bartserk
June 04, 2007, 09:34 AM
nah ...its
Lightning > Water & Wind
Water > Earth & Fire
Wind > Water
Earth > Fire,Wind & Lightning
Fire > Wind


You seriously need to reread chapter 333. There's a very nice picture in there
Lightning > Earth
Earth > Water
Water > Fire
Fire > Wind
Wind > Lightning

That's why Yamato says to Naruto that his Wind chakra can come in handy to counter Sasuke's Lightning, that's why Yamato warns him about his Fire chakra as well, and then Naruto goes all emo saying that his wind can revive up Sasuke's fire and finally that's why Kakashi's chidori has absolutely no difficulty in piercing through Kakuzu's Doton Ironskin or whatever.

And about Deidara being trapped in a Genjustu... I don't know, Sasuke has never used Genjutsu in the series and I doubt he starts doing now. He's more like an 'evocator' type, to me. Kakashi said it once, not everyone has what it takes to be a Genjutsu user, and just having the sharingan is not a reason for Sasuke to use genjutsu. We never saw his eye whirling like Kakashi's.

EDIT: The pic was in chapter 333, mistook ;p

laughing@you
June 04, 2007, 09:41 AM
woot.. feels like a long time since a write something in MH. Here it goes.

Not knowing what Tobi can do is bad against sasuke. story wise i mean

I see this going to ways:

1)Probably this is a setup for sasuke to loose. If we see his track record in the story, sasuke wins a couple of battles and then looses the big fight. Kishimoto has established that sasuke is uber-strong by killing oro. Re-confirmed by Kabuto in the last chapter. And sasuke has won a couple of fights against Team kakashi, army of oro, oro himself, CS2 users. Sasuke might avoid what deidara can dish-out, but what about tobi? We all know that every akatsuki member has a weird yet powerful ability exploited only when they fight the main characters. Ex. Hidan, kakuzu. So it could this way as a setup for sasuke to get captured by akatsuki followed by another rescue arc. Combining forces the snake team and kakashi's team. Many would say but you are wrong deidara wants to kill sasuke for killing oro cuz he wanted to do it himself. Yeah but he might beat him to pulp and take him to itachi to see who would be more powerful. As a test to see if he really would kill his own brother. (Still hopes deidara pulls a darth vader at the end like return of the jedi and gives his life to save his brother.) Thats angle i'm thinking about.

2)Or it can go the other way, sasuke killing one of the deidara-tobi pair. Sasuke gets injured by one of them and being saved by his team. Forcing akatsuki to re-direct its attention towards the new threat of konoha and sasuke's new team.

m0ji
June 04, 2007, 09:53 AM
You seriously need to reread chapter 315. There's a very nice picture in there
Lightning > Earth
Earth > Water
Water > Fire
Fire > Wind
Wind > Lightning

That's why Yamato says to Naruto that his Wind chakra can come in handy to counter Sasuke's Lightning, that's why Yamato warns him about his Fire chakra as well, and then Naruto goes all emo saying that his wind can revive up Sasuke's fire and finally that's why Kakashi's chidori has absolutely no difficulty in piercing through Kakuzu's Doton Ironskin or whatever.

And about Deidara being trapped in a Genjustu... I don't know, Sasuke has never used Genjutsu in the series and I doubt he starts doing now. He's more like an 'evocator' type, to me. Kakashi said it once, not everyone has what it takes to be a Genjutsu user, and just having the sharingan is not a reason for Sasuke to use genjutsu. We never saw his eye whirling like Kakashi's.

Well in real life that table doesnt fit...its not...100% logical...but ok...this an anime not real life and i forgot about that able in the naruto manga.sorry me :) yeah sure he didnt use his sharingan to do genjutsu yet...but i think its time for him to start with it.Well his eye has to whirl? :) Itachis eyes didnt either ;) maybe kakashi just has spinners in his eyes :P
oh well...ehm...i say... Sasuke > Deidara ;)

TEK
June 04, 2007, 10:23 AM
I too would agree with that theory with the exception of one thing. For the second possibility, I think Sasuke won't kill one of the 2 but seriously injure one of them, most likely Tobi. Deidara can escape with his jutsu to create things out of clay and fly away but Tobi, as far as we know, has no such jutsu so I don't see the likelihood of escaping as high as I see Deidara's. The reason why I say Tobi would be seriously injured and not dead is that there's probably some character development that needs to be done with him. I'm not saying that it'll necessarily be with Kakashi thus hinting at the whole Obito is Tobi thing but I'm just saying that the need for him to stay alive is still pretty high.

Mendes
June 04, 2007, 10:29 AM
And about Deidara being trapped in a Genjustu... I don't know, Sasuke has never used Genjutsu in the series and I doubt he starts doing now. He's more like an 'evocator' type, to me. Kakashi said it once, not everyone has what it takes to be a Genjutsu user, and just having the sharingan is not a reason for Sasuke to use genjutsu. We never saw his eye whirling like Kakashi's.

I think having the Sharingan is a pretty good reason to believe Sasuke is able to do genjutsu. I mean, he already used every kind of jutsu, why wouldnt he be able to use genjutsu as well? Also, he must have trained genjutsu a lot, since he got to orochimaru, as it's definitively a useful thing to learn and he's got the sharingan advantage. I'm not saying sasuke is a clone of Itachi, but their knowledge of jutsus may be pretty even. I think Itachi's jutsus are just way stronger than Sasuke's in power and effectiveness.

About the upcoming fight between Sasuke and Deidara, i think Sasuke has the upper hand. The surprise attack by Deidara was already avoided, and i think in the ground its the akatsuki member that has less arguments. Still, we've never seen what he's capable of in the ground. He may surprise us, but there's no ground where Sasuke's weak. Deidara needs to finish off an opponent quickly, or he's finished when his clay ends. I doubt he can do that against the Hebi Leader.

However, we must consider Tobi is also in there and he sure can fight. If he interferes, then Sasuke will most likely need backup. I got the idea that Juugo was nearby, as he was still in the woods talkin to birds. I think he's in the best position to help Sasuke, if he doesnt get caught in a fight himself b4.

Loloba
June 04, 2007, 10:31 AM
I too would agree with that theory with the exception of one thing. For the second possibility, I think Sasuke won't kill one of the 2 but seriously injure one of them, most likely Tobi. Deidara can escape with his jutsu to create things out of clay and fly away but Tobi, as far as we know, has no such jutsu so I don't see the likelihood of escaping as high as I see Deidara's. The reason why I say Tobi would be seriously injured and not dead is that there's probably some character development that needs to be done with him. I'm not saying that it'll necessarily be with Kakashi thus hinting at the whole Obito is Tobi thing but I'm just saying that the need for him to stay alive is still pretty high.

Nah , How can you that Sasuke will injure Tobi. For one we dont know his strengh or anything about him. plus i think he's stronger than deidera , Looks can be deceiving, Dont forget that he took down a tailed beast. he's always fooling arround to get his enemy to Underestimate him... then BOOM!

yemsta
June 04, 2007, 11:15 AM
I think Tobi will have a great influence in this fight because he still needs to be developed in terms of character. Deidara will not be taken down easily. I actually think daidara has the upper hand here his style of fighting means that he doesnt really have to get anywhere close to sasuke. I think that it will be a highly intelectual battle with deidara not holding back. Almost definately sasuke will be forced to use CS2 maybe he may use them for flight in this fight. Sasuke's "that jutsu" will be used.

Outcome 1: Sasuke is getting the better hand of deidara and Tobi does something unexpected and seriously injures sasuke.

Outcome 2: deidara starts to pwn sasuke and someone comes to his aid maybe naruto or one of hebi or kakashi resulting in a double matchup. (obito vs kakashi I mean tobi vs kakashi hehe. :) )

Zante
June 04, 2007, 11:19 AM
Maybe that book is the same as the scrolls during the genin exam (as soon as you read it, you fall asleep for many days ..)

However i really doubt that Kabuto is gonna try something against konoha shinobis (right now)
I think he'll hide and train while both konoha and hebi are kicking some akat's ass.
Sasuke looks more and more powerful and skilled to me, but i wonder if he's able to face 2 akat members...I hope we'll see that in the next chapter.
Naruto (the manga) is getting kooler and kooler anyway!

shachi
June 04, 2007, 02:14 PM
Deidara is a long-range specialist. So, if the partnerships in akatsuki are supposed to be complementary, then I think it is going to be Tobi's job to keep Sasuke occupied while Deidara snipes him from a distance. I am guessing one of Tobi's abilities is to not be damaged by Deidara's explosions, something like Kakuzu's iron body jutsu. And/or he has some kind of hypnosis jutsus that leave his opponents sitting ducks for Deidara.

diegocfq
June 04, 2007, 04:52 PM
I think Deidara will be smashed into a pulp if he doesn't have any new trick, he may know Itachi, but he never fought him, so the only experience with a sharingan comes from the fight against kakashi. Tobi has no reason to attack Sasuke, Deidara is mad about killing him to prove he is worthy of being an akatsuki (I think Tobi will only interfere if Deidara is about to die, and even then he'll only pick Deidara and run).

As for Kabuto i was like: MAAAAN !!! And I thought orochimaru was a deranged guy !!? Kabuto is really a bizarre character. I don't know what he is up to, but i hope he becomes harmless to konoha or be put to death quickly...

Also about the the "elements wheel" they are from japanese culture, not based in science.

And the two statues are of shodai hokage and a ninja from other village. If it was the second hokage, it's face would look like the "Mount Rushmore of Ninjas" in the Konoha village...

srankmissingnin
June 04, 2007, 07:25 PM
For the next chapter Ithink that at least one of Kakashi's nin-dogs should have heard Deidara's explotion, so we can expect someone to run interferance in the Sasuke vs. Deidara fight. Maybe get some info about the Akatsuki from Kabuto's scrolls.

Holland
June 04, 2007, 07:38 PM
or maybe kyubii level :p
Naruto does have the power to beat the entire akatsuki organization at the same time, but he lacks the ability to beat two members together because of teamwork, if only hidan were still alive when kukuzu fought naruto...sigh..kukuzu may have lived.... lol ;)

Sasuke has to have help arrive or he's beyond hokage level already and there's just no way Oro wouldn't have seen that sasuke was just waaaay too strong for him to beat, I'm starting to think that sasuke is loaded on performance enhancers and has a limited time to beat itachi, so perhaps he won't expend too much energy on this fight with deidara/tobi or he won't have enough power left to beat his brother.

76trombones
June 04, 2007, 08:53 PM
Sasuke has to have help arrive or he's beyond hokage level already and there's just no way Oro wouldn't have seen that sasuke was just waaaay too strong for him to beat, I'm starting to think that sasuke is loaded on performance enhancers and has a limited time to beat itachi,

Actually, I think it said in the manga that Sasuke wasn't showing Orochimaru the full extent of his ability for the sole purpose of making his assassination that much more unexpected and easier for him.

As for the second part, NO Sasuke is not using steroids, that's just silly. If anything he's riding on the knowledge that he can always use his curse seal to crush almost any opponent he encounters, although I'm not sure if he's aware of what he's up against when it comes to Akatsuki.

I'm fairly sure that he plans to defeat Itachi by himself with the powers he has available. That's just Sasuke's style. He seemed to be willing to kill Itachi by any means, including fusing with Orochimaru, but that was proved wrong when he betrayed Orochimaru.

That said, I really like Sasuke at this point in the story. He's much like Delita from Final Fantasy Tactics, if any of you have played that game. I highly recommend it.

Warbee
June 04, 2007, 11:29 PM
I think we're definately seeing the arc pointing towards a cat-fight between Sakura and Karin, but seeing as none of Karin's abilities have really been revealed yet, I think that Sakura is going to be in serious trouble. What I hope is that this won't spell a return to the "Sasuke-kun!" days of Sakura being the most useless character ever.

We'll see more of Tobi, Karin and Juugo's abilities revealed in the next few chapters, but I think that the next issue will simply heighten the tension, get to the cusp of a fight between Sakura/Karin, Sasuke and Deidara will just get started, and the issue will end with the cliffhanger of Naruto and Yamato finding something unexpected in the AK book.

darkstar7
June 04, 2007, 11:50 PM
Deidara is a long-range specialist. So, if the partnerships in akatsuki are supposed to be complementary, then I think it is going to be Tobi's job to keep Sasuke occupied while Deidara snipes him from a distance. I am guessing one of Tobi's abilities is to not be damaged by Deidara's explosions, something like Kakuzu's iron body jutsu. And/or he has some kind of hypnosis jutsus that leave his opponents sitting ducks for Deidara.


well, when deidara was paired with sasori, i don't think the two really complemented each

other too well

if sasori got hit by deidara's bombs he would definitely be injured by it. and come to think

of it, both deidara and sasori preferred to fight alone.

I don't think it'll turn out that tobi complements deidara well, i think it just so happens

tobi got sasori's ring and deidara unfortunately got stuck with him.

Seranel N'Ryt
June 05, 2007, 07:59 AM
Deidara/Tobi VS Sasuke

Sasuke-kun is strong. but i can't think that Sasuke wins two Akatsuki members alone
if Sasuke-kun win ...... than... Sasuke is too much...strong...? oh,no.... he's using CHEAT KEY!!!!!
(but sasuke won't be killed...)
there are no charactor of Naruto to win 2 Akatsuki alone....

i dont know whether Tobi-kun is strong or not... but he may be stronger than Deidara-chan

Kaborochi
June 05, 2007, 10:02 AM
A lot of interesting theories. If we are trying to imagine a battle simulation, here my take on it: Sasuke will reach the conclusion that Deidera is a long distance type fighter, so his strategy will either to use a high speed attack and use his Chidori blade to paralyze him and take care of him (killing her would be good as he does not give mercy to evil people), or he would feel tested and would try to attack Deidera with a Katon: Goukkakyou attack and then when Deidera dodges it he'd quickly get behind him and slash him. Either way, a battle between these two might actually take place; I still hope that Deidera not approach Sasuke so that we can see Tobi in action.

jodi
June 05, 2007, 10:37 AM
I think that Deidara is going to fight Sasuke but will need Tobi's help.
But Sasuke will get hurt too.

War
June 05, 2007, 12:01 PM
I'm placing my bets that Tobi's a powerhouse & that he's gonna be stronger than Deidara. He definitely won't die in this fight as its just his first, & we haven't even seen his strength yet. :\

Perhaps after some time, Sasuke will need some help dealing with the two Akatsuki members and someone will come aid him. This definitely won't be an easy fight for Sasuke.

sharingan_kakashi
June 05, 2007, 02:18 PM
I predict a long talk between Sasuke, Deidara and Tobi. chapter end with Sasuke's blade inserted in deidara's body or at least losing an arm or two.

Nami
June 05, 2007, 10:42 PM
Hi Guys and Gals,

Let's keep this thread Predictions only. Talk about what you think WILL happen in the next chapter. Any off-topic discussion or ideas tend to get other members really confused.

Anything that is just general discussion about Naruto or future developments of Naruto, please head towards the Naruto Hang-Out Thread. (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3677) :)

Face Cannon
June 06, 2007, 12:19 AM
I think Kabuto will go on an insane rant with an intensely cool "fufu" or "kuku" laugh between every sentence. Then he'll skip off into the shadows and Naruto's team will move out. There probably won't be any encounter with Itachi yet, since too much seems to be going on already. I predict some "shocking" information will be in the Akatsuki book. Or maybe just some boring information with stuff we already know.

Sasuke will dodge a ton of attacks, but then trip on his silly, baggy outfit and hit his head on a rock and die. Sasuke's character will forever, inexplicitly be forgotten and never be mentioned again from this point onward. Karin will be pelted to death for wearing an outfit that, even if it did somehow match, would still just be lame anyway. Suigetsu meets with Sai and they have a reunion.

wooticus
June 06, 2007, 03:57 AM
Sasuke will hurt Deidara really bad and then face Tobi.

(Sasuke surely won't kill Deidara because he hasn't killed anybody, so why should Deidara be the first one)

STOIC
June 06, 2007, 09:04 AM
I would like to see Sasuke being forced to go on the defensive and finding it difficult to launch a counter attack because of their teamwork. Although of course he would still be holding his own. Just before Sasuke decides to use CS2 he gets assistance from the most unlikely source in Sai. At least briefly the pair would show impressive teamwork as well as Sai finally displaying his much lauded strength.

I think Sai would be a perfect opponent for Deidara, with his emotionless demeanor and Art jutsu. Deidara would most certainly try to get a rise out of Sai's blank expression not to mention Sai could probably say something to piss off Deidara. Also such a situation would give Tobi the opportunity to make some remark about Sai and Sasuke's similarity.

Wow!!! Beautiful!! that sounds like damned Kishi style for real! wow.. good thoughts !!

that seems so perfect... how that would work out.. very probable.

whether or not tobi is obito.. it would be cool if he was... if he isnt.. meh... naruniverse im sure will still go on.

dont care to see karin or sakura fight.. not when we have Akatsuki.. Sasuke there.. even Juugo. he seems really mature and strong.. he would fight with some discipline. it would be cool if indeed kakashi ran into juugo while lookin for sasuke.
side note: kakashi isnt that great. he's good! but overrated

sasuke taking on two akatsuki members? obviously he cant kill both of them. i dont even think he'll get to kill one of them.. if tobi is standing back and watching. the moment deidara needs him. im sure he'll jump in.. why would he stay out of the fight? maybe hes got a sharingan to hide?

"seems like we're going to have to apologize to Itachi-san when we get back" WoW. seems like akatsuki knows itachi's motives. or that could just be general talk...
on the other hand. that could suggest that itachi does indeed care about his brother and has plans for him... thus.. they would need to apologize for kicking the shit out of sasuke when the time comes (which wont happen) .. deidara against sasuke id put at a draw. even though technically.. deidara should give him a few bruises and cuts... sasuke isnt ready to fight itachi yet. we still need to see itachi put one more whop ass on him.. then he'll be like .. ready. by the time sasuke is ready. scene chance* itachi on his death bed dying from cancer.
sasuke develops hatred for cancer. *scene change* sasuke creates Jump Rope for Cancer to raise money for cancer research... so nothing like that would ever happen again!

ahh that is me prediction.

Remus
June 06, 2007, 01:31 PM
Sasuke will hurt Deidara really bad and then face Tobi.

(Sasuke surely won't kill Deidara because he hasn't killed anybody, so why should Deidara be the first one)

Let's see. Deidara is no common person and he really is out for Sasukes blood as well as Tobi. If he let's him live then Deidi might go BOOM and take the little Uchiha-whiner with him.

kheopz
June 06, 2007, 02:32 PM
Well if Kabuto took Oro's brain among other things than he also inherited loads of jutsu and memories and also some of Oro's behavior. While Oro's spirit and soul is trap within Sasuke there's always some sort of residual memory in his brain which is not taken by Kabuto. Two Diedara fighting at two differrent places isn't out of the question (clay-bushins) when it comes to kishi but I wish it isn't the case right now. He did say I found "them" maybe by that he meant Team -8 and Hebi. I mean both Tobi and DieDara capture a nin hosting a bijuu before this fight (3 tail bijuu - i think) i guess and I mean captured which is hard to do (Kisame sweated out to capture the 4 tail bijuu) so injurying Sasuke isn't out of the question or Sasuke doing the same as well. the X factor is Tobi who might as well save DieDara's life or be the one who will "neutralize" Sasuke or even give a blow to Sasuke as a setback forcing sasuke to rethink his strategy when trying to attack Itachi/Akatsuki.

I beleive that Kakazu and Hidan are by far more of a complete team and stronger than both DieDara and Tobi. So for Sasuke to kill them both all alone is doable but that gives him way to much power. DieDara is great at strategy which Sasuke lacks and you add the X factor Tobi and it clearly screams that Sasuke will have some sort of back up. I think that Kishi wants us to see first hand if Sasuke is really capable of beating his brother 1 on 1 and the Jury is out on this right now. Until we see a fight of the real "Itachi" fight on his own which we really haven't seen when you think about it than we will have some sort of benchmark helping us to gauge both brothers. Now all we have is what we have sen so far from Sasuke(who attacked Oro and proudly state that Oro was weaker than him - not less powerful) but we don't have much from Itachi beside killing his own clan and being a member of Akatsuki.

I personally don't think that Sasuke is ready with or w/o Hebi to confront Itachi.

I wish kishi can show us Itachi capturing the 8 tail bijuu for instance just showcase his power and so it helps us compare his depth to what we have seen from Sasuke so far.
Now that will be cool to see a complete fight of Itachi (just not with Sasuke yet).

By Kabuto giving the black book to Naruto (so the leaf) fits in Oro's original plan for having the leaf to go against Akatsuki (to weaken AK) so that will leave Oro's (now Kabuto) to achieve his plan. So it is a gift but there's a catch to it.

So I predict that Sasuke will have some help from Hebi or from surprisingly from Team 8.

don't want even a hint of a possible spoiler

yosemite
June 06, 2007, 03:38 PM
i think deidara will fight sasuke but ends up leaving, he's prob happy to hear orochimaru is alive in some way

FatalFlaw
June 06, 2007, 06:11 PM
And also, I think that the coolest thing to happen, if someone were to intervene with the fight between Sasuke and the Akatsuki duo, is if Gaara came in. I think that would be incredible. I don't know why he'd be there, but as a rematch between him and Deidara, without a city to hold over his head, it'd be pretty sweet.

Kept only the part that resembles a 357 prediction

Shispare
June 06, 2007, 07:47 PM
But I do predict that very soon after the fight with Sasuke and Deidara, I believe that Blue hair and AL will make their appearance trying to find the 5-tails. Who knows, maybe its jinchuriki will meet Naruto.

trying to keep the thread from straying

shachi
June 07, 2007, 02:59 AM
I don't think this battle will be one-sided. Deidara will give Sasuke all he can handle. Still, I think the theme of this arc is Sasuke's transformation and rebirth into a real force to be reckoned with.

Little by little, in previous chapters, we've seen glimpses of Sasuke's new Orochimaru-based jutsus. More of the same will follow. Triple Rashomon Gates, anyone? I anticipate that we'll see Sasuke caught in Deidara's ultimate jutsu; but, after the smoke clears, Sasuke will molt his toasted flesh, a la Orochimaru, and Deidara will realize there isn't anything in his arsenal that can defeat him.

Remus
June 07, 2007, 05:57 AM
I don't think this battle will be one-sided. Deidara will give Sasuke all he can handle. Still, I think the theme of this arc is Sasuke's transformation and rebirth into a real force to be reckoned with.

Little by little, in previous chapters, we've seen glimpses of Sasuke's new Orochimaru-based jutsus. More of the same will follow. Triple Rashomon Gates, anyone? I anticipate that we'll see Sasuke caught in Deidara's ultimate jutsu; but, after the smoke clears, Sasuke will molt his toasted flesh, a la Orochimaru, and Deidara will realize there isn't anything in his arsenal that can defeat him.

Deidaras special bomb would rid Sasuke of the planet. Oro could re-appear out of a damaged body but he can't rematerialize his atoms or whatsoever. I suppose it will be Tobi and not Deidara who will have a lot of fun and Sasuke will be the one taking the blame.

PredatorNar
June 07, 2007, 06:26 AM
You know guys, you have to consider Deidara to be around the same level as Orochimaru, so you should never think low of him. And, as said earlier in this post, Sasuke's biggest accomplishment was killing a sickly old man (who is past his prime) and this old man was bed-ridden, basically dying while coughing up blood. Actually, let us analyze both fighters for clarity:

Sasuke hasn't been seen in a full-out battle yet so let's analyze what he's done so far:
-Defeated 1000 chump shinobi (I'm positive Deidara could of slain all these chump shinobis with 1 bomb)
-Briefly confronted Naruto's squad. All he did jump down fast (Yea, he's fast, but let's not exaggerate his speed). He stabbed Yamato and Yamato easily defended using his Mokuton abilities (Yamato was about to attack back but Orochimaru interrupted). Naruto, Sai and Sakura didn't really try to fight Sasuke much. Naruto wasn't in shock, but he didn't try to start fighting. Sakura didn't do anything although she has the power to. So this really does not prove anything.
-Sasuke went to CS2 to beat up the crippled old man. Orochimaru was obviously past his prime and although he's still strong, the guy was sick and coughing up blood. The only thing that saved Sasuke in that fight (against the crippled old man) was the Sharingan and that was just coincidental.

Deidara on the other hand did something more impressive:
-Took down a healthy Gaara (who was at the Kazekage status). Deidara came up with a strategy off the top of his head WHILE fleeing the sand (and I'm pretty sure Gaara's sand is faster than Sasuke, but Deidara for the most part was still successfully fleeing the sand).
--Deidara, although starting out with little ammo, quickly found and exploited Gaara's weakness just by observing his fighting style. Deidara also showed he's resourceful in using his surroundings to his advantage and he also shows he is good in creating diversions.
-Has the ability to make a bomb that can wipe out a VERY large area (which Kakashi has to MS, but it still almost blew Kakashi and co. up)
*We still don't know if Deidara can handle close range. I mean, we've only seen him fight once and when someone faces Gaara, you HAVE to be mid or long range because close-range just doesn't work. Deidara may also be a close-range fighter. Just because the circumstances in the Gaara fight made him fight long-range doesn't mean he's primarily long range (I mean there has to be a reason why he jumped off his bird vs Sasuke).

From this analysis, I think we can honestly say that Deidara has the upper hand (Experience, Resourefulness, Jutsu Strength, Ability to Adapt) and he has Tobi. For Sasuke to come out of this fight alive, he may have to go CS and have a companion helping him. Otherwise, he's going to be in trouble.

STOIC
June 07, 2007, 08:51 AM
i dont think tobi will fight this one.. the plot is already complicated as it is. i doubt kishi will need to tell us now that Tobi is Obito now.. when things become a little more dry.. he can always fall back on that.. definitely the next few manga releases will be badass... so much is happened.

karin may end up fighting sakura.. which would be boring i predict.. unless they become like friends on the street.. karin drops her wallet.. sakura hands it to her. and they like sign a pact that theyll be best friends forever... then karin finds sasuke... and sakura finds sasuke. then theyre forced to break the pact because they now have to fight for sasuke... thats definitely going to happen next issue!!! bet on

patrick_tambu
June 07, 2007, 03:57 PM
And also, I think that the coolest thing to happen, if someone were to intervene with the fight between Sasuke and the Akatsuki duo, is if Gaara came in. I think that would be incredible. I don't know why he'd be there, but as a rematch between him and Deidara, without a city to hold over his head, it'd be pretty sweet.





Yosh! I said Sasuke was gonna be helped by one of hebi's, but i see this one would be a very great shock, since it's not impossible to happens!!!!!

diegocfq
June 07, 2007, 07:42 PM
I don't think we should consider Deidara as the same level as Orochimaru.

First he is as explosive as his bombs, such a short fuse can be exploited easily.
Second, his only advantage is that he is a long range fighter (in Gaara's fight he just was opportunist, because nothing long-range could pass through Gaara's Shield of Sand or Armor of Sand, so he mixed his bomb with Gaara's sand and then could win).
And third, we know that sasuke can play cheap and just use his sharingan powers to get out of this situation or some jutsu Orochimaru taught him, maybe he made a deal with Manda showing that snake who's the boss and will summon it now.

But you have made a lot of good points, and I think their fight can be long enough for all these teams get into the same place or deidara will try to munch more than he can, trying to attack kabutomaru and sasuke at the same time and then he'll get crushed or he'll run again like he did when he fought naruto and kakashi after all, he was the first akatsuki to be more cautious and flee when he has no hope to win...

I WANNA SEE TOBI IN ACTION =D

uchihaj
June 07, 2007, 07:51 PM
I would like for the Sasuke/Deidara fight to end with no deaths, just a near death match. I don't really think Deidara has long left before he is taken out anyway, and I again would like for Itachi to be the one to do it. I do believe that Itachi's true feelings for his brother will be revealed, and they just may lead him to his downfall. In the next issue I also want some real deal visible proof of the growth that Naruto has come upon. I want a situation where he is separated and fights for his life(and does an amazing job of it), and holds on till help arrives.

TBCAD
June 07, 2007, 08:19 PM
well that will most likely happen because naruto will probably have some flashback that will incur the wrath of his way of the ninja... like always

Decorus
June 08, 2007, 04:35 AM
Actually Sasuke's sharingan can be rendered useless by a single explosion. Anything that blocks Sasuke's vision negates any use of Sharingan. Using Sharingan will not allow him to avoid the explosions, as while it might tell him where the bomb is slight variations in the explosive will make it impossible for Sasuke to predict the blast radius. Using multiple bombs one after the other first to temporarilly blind and then to hurt him will render him unable to sucessfully use sharingan to defend himself.

Sasuke would have more luck matching Deidara's bombs with his own Shuriken Jutsu that Uchiha are famous for. Sasuke like all Uchiha are long to medium range fighters first using shuriken and Area effect Fire jutsu to good effect. While Kakashi might have drasticly improved his close combat abilities to use Chidori, Sasuke modified it specificly to prevent people from entering into close combat against him.

He should play to his strengths and not make use of his biggest weakness to win.

Mortific
June 08, 2007, 08:51 AM
Let's not forget all the Fire techniques. All long range, and I hope to see them return. Or perhaps Sasuke having learned an impressive Fire technique or something? ;)

Toad Sage
June 08, 2007, 11:44 AM
If I see anymore agonizing posts I'm going to lock this thread. That is, no "I want the raw" etc.

TS

Pierpy89
June 08, 2007, 12:17 PM
I think that Orochikabu at the end of the fight escape.....

devilman3999
June 08, 2007, 12:37 PM
HERE'S THE LINK FOR CHAPTER 357 LQ PICTURES


http://www.kodakgallery.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=530518239403&page=1&upload_count=17


PASS: devilman3999

Navid.
June 08, 2007, 01:20 PM
Nihongaeri over at narutofan has already translated the chapter for those interested...

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=229594

peontas
June 08, 2007, 01:32 PM
Nihongaeri over at narutofan has already translated the chapter for those interested...

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=229594
oh we r definitely interested! thanks!

aznhotbod
June 08, 2007, 01:33 PM
Deidara is smart. He knows his strategy and wouldnt be afraid to retreat. He was at a disadvantage against Gaara because he didnt prepare well enough, and he was at geographical disadvantage as well. But he was smart enough to figure out his opponent's style and weakness. He did afterall Capture Gaara. Even he said it's more difficult to caputer than kill. IIRC Kisame, Itachi worked together to capture theirs, as well as Kakuza and Hidan.

If Deidara goes on his bird long range, Sasuke cant use his sharingan to the fullest advantage, unless he's mastered the MS, and that's doubtful. He might have to transform into curse stages.

STOIC
June 08, 2007, 01:38 PM
WoW!!! seems like sasuke is on par with akatsuki.. but i like how Deidara put it
something along the lines of ... This kid mistakes his ability (through heriditary blood) with his own ability.... something like that.. thats a CUT to sasuke...

tobi is so great!!! how can you not love him?!? deidara actually cares it seems!! wow

ok sasuke may not be on PAR.. but he's pretty damn close!!! he aint afraid a Shit!! go sasuke (i really dont like him but he deserves some frigN credit)
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where's the raw!!! wahhhh wahhhhhhhhhh

dasher232
June 08, 2007, 01:43 PM
So Deidara was testing him out at first. I think someone else is going to bump into the fight.

c0nflikt
June 08, 2007, 01:45 PM
I predict sasuke will partially defeat deidara then tobi will own him and then naruto will save the day and rasengan shuriken his a** to another dimension.

sh0jin
June 08, 2007, 01:58 PM
Tobi is the best, i'm enjoying his dialog everytime he speaks. Kishi got to keep this guy around for much longer, it hilarious. He wont be killed off anytime soon.

Koen
June 08, 2007, 01:59 PM
I think that tobi is really not to be underestimated. Okay that guy couldn't avoid it, but I wonder if it was couldn't? I am thinking that the guy has some skill that maybe makes his body transparant. I don't know but he's creepy

Tias
June 08, 2007, 02:27 PM
HAH, not creepy at all, sasuke cut right through him and he stood up again as if nothing really happend, but then again, he asked for deidera not to detonate those bombs that landed around him

voidyou17
June 08, 2007, 02:47 PM
I think that tobi is really not to be underestimated. Okay that guy couldn't avoid it, but I wonder if it was couldn't? I am thinking that the guy has some skill that maybe makes his body transparant. I don't know but he's creepy


yeahh I kinda think the same thing about Tobi... its almost like he can phase his body in and out of a dimension letting the sword pass right thru him or something. I also think he just loves playing dumb. It looks like its going to be two vs one which should be interesting.

crakbaby23
June 08, 2007, 02:57 PM
wow sasuke can throw his chakra, im a little upset about that

ANBU4U
June 08, 2007, 03:03 PM
wow sasuke can throw his chakra, im a little upset about that

I think that was a lightning jutsu.

kheopz
June 08, 2007, 03:31 PM
Tobi must be strong to not even pay attention to being sliced in half. OK the boms where C1 which he didn't know because it might have been C2. A powerful blast might have put him into pieces just like Hidan so he got scared. Sasuke was intrigue as hell about Tobi.
Tobi more or less comfirms that Sasuke is using some speed jutsu which clarifies a lot of things as Neji was the fastest of his class and Lee second (IMO).

I like Diedara comments about Sasuke's ability ... It's like Yamoto said to Naruto your true strenght and power ain't the Kyuubi and until now all of what we sen is Sharigan all the way for Sasuke and never really without. So the question is what is his true ability beside Sharigan? CS or Chidori? Naruto has rasengan and it's flavors and the Bushins that he knows how to fully exploit now.
Itachi might have killed his own clan with his own ability and not by using MS. I mean isn't MS that powerful that it takes such a toll on your body so for using it to kill an entire clan you might need to sleep for 2 months after that to recover. who knows I'm just babbling on this one ... so chillax guys.

Great Chapter as Oro is coming back either by absorbing Kabuto or by kabuto controlling this body integration process. So Oro will have his revenge which means this series isn't going to end soon as Oro's revenge needs to take place now.

bighawke5
June 08, 2007, 03:31 PM
I think that was a lightning jutsu.

true looks like sasuke mastered his nature manipulation...thing is that the more u get beaten up the stronger u get...sasuke fought his bro a couple of times and even though its wasnt like five or six times and he lost he tested his own strength at the same time against itachi...over the time skip he used itachi as a measuring stick and trained crazyly wit oro as we all know and he comes out everybody's so freaken surprised!! d'uh he's going against someone that defies logic in that word power wise lol jk anyhow he's trying to kill someone thats unbelievably a good ninja so by using him as a measuring stick and working specifically to kill that person...and from the looks of it and like he said he's ready to face itachi...

now it by all means ..doesnt mean that he well anihilate itachi or anythin but he can fight now with itachi and he has a chance now...dunno if he'll win or lose i aint kishi...thing is naruto wasnt workin with itachi as his measurin stick...but sasuke so he can only go thus far or beyond with kyuubi's help unless he trusts in his own strength which he has started to do now.. as long as sasuke has itachi in his sight he'll become stronger and as long as naruto has sasuke in his sight he too will go stronger..thing is since sasuke has the advantage right now with his sharingan he can do more than naruto could and to some it might seem as if he's so superior to naruto that if they fight it would be like (itachi vs konohamaru)

sasuke should be able to at least keep up with deidara and keep him on the edge of his seat all seconds...but i dont know bout tobi he seems sketchy and when sasuke tried slashin them it wasnt them it was deidara and i think tobi knew so thats why he didnt flinch but he's a comical character so he had to act like if he was scared or terrified the way he did when he saw sasuke..lol thing is he knew sasuke wasnt trying to slash him but deidara...thats my take on it anyway and thats y sasuke turned around wonderin y he didnt even flinch (cuz it was pretty close to his body)but yea thats my guess on it and that would mean that he's still gonna act all comical till deidara is taken out or unable to fight then he'll go one on one wit sasuke thats when he'll show his moves but right now he seems to be letin deidara fight alone and actin comical (maybe to make sasuke underestimate him) that may be a great trick as naruto does that all the time but is a worthy oponent cuz of it lmao (being umpredictable) to me right now who we should wry bout is tobi if anything...

deidara seems like he's pullin he's ultimate moves but sasuke is just keepin up...and he seems to be able to react well to sasuke's speed..(sasuke vanishes and apperas in front of him to cut him he dodges...sasuke appears behind him in a blink of an eye he's impressed and surprised but acts calmly enough to trow a clay spider at him without even turnin around) that says alot bout deidara... now i wonder how he's gonna use that big ass dragon!! probably make it explode on sasuke which has not actually worked b4 its a strategy sasuke saw b4 and used a snake to protect himselft...maybe his snake wont be strong enough to take on an explosion like the one gaara too with his strong sand?! who knows...

i loved how naruto and yamato teamed up!! yamato is fast like sasuke!! he flash stepped lol naruto seemed to be able to move fast in one panel...lmao

sKaR
June 08, 2007, 03:31 PM
ohh man..that tobi looks like another hidan...kinda same concept i mean...if he is like no sunstance kinda guy then i wonder how any1 is gonna kill him.i bet it was some kinda jutsu that makes any weapon go through him w/o hurting him.atleast with hidan u knew that if u blew him to a 1000 pieces he couldnt join back.that tobi might not have any super powers or like turn into some really cool nin suddenly,but with that power n even normal level ninjutsu he could easily take any1 down as he is like on GODmode.deidara with c2.i dont remember well but was it the same used duringgaara fight,that big bomb droppd on the village..no that was c3 n it was mentioned it was his highest level of chakra.I hardly think sasuke can b trapped by 2nd highest level bomb of deidara(besides what the tag of next issue says).This match will b decided when deidara gets out the c3.n tobi most probably may have a few other jutsu up his sleeve but this 1 must b his speciality

bighawke5
June 08, 2007, 03:51 PM
never mind what i said bout tobi dodgin i think sasuke is going to become another sensui of the body flicker lol but yea tobi seems sketchy still i mean recovering from the god like slash of sasuke !! and he seems bout to do that move he did that worked effectively against the three tailed beast and deidara will do also what he did against that beast..im guessin the beast was also fast as we saw tobi runnin from it at high speeds lol but yeah deidara well get sasuke trapped my guess and someone well help him out or he'll go cs2

Mister9
June 08, 2007, 03:52 PM
I'm betting Tobi's true form has sth to do with that uniform.
It covers all ofhis body and i think it acts like a containment suit.
Is he intagiable or liquid?

We'll see next episode!!!:D

pcxxy
June 08, 2007, 04:09 PM
interesting chapter...

couple of things

1) I find it strange that Kabuto/Kishi claims to graft oro's body onto his own, because as we all know, it is NOT oro's original body. Orochimaru has been a 'spirit'-like being that jumps from one 'container' to the next. I don't understand how it can be claimed as Oro's body. (I'm sure anyone can make up a bunch of explanation, but I wonder how plausible it'll sound)

2) Tobi's pretty darn funny as usual. I wonder if we'll get a chance to see what's behind his 'mask'. I sure am excited about what his abilities are, and so far, as already mentioned, it does seem that he has Hidan-like powers...

Toad Sage
June 08, 2007, 04:40 PM
I hate to say this, but Tobi's resistance to "death" certainly seem to support the theory that he might be a certain already dead Naruto character! Also, depressingly, Sasuke looks like he is more than a match for the two of them. After all, this isn't the first time we've encountered a fearsome Akatsuki combination move that, presumably, is going to back fire on them. Sasuke has already noted that Deidara uses his hands to produce explosions, so I imagine now that he has yet another power to shot lighting shuriken, Deidara may very well soon be handless.

Naruto on the other hand, along with Yamato, was fooled by the old replacement jutsu. Maybe Sasuke was right-maybe they all should have trained under Orochimaru :P

someguyudontknow
June 08, 2007, 05:08 PM
I hate to say this, but Tobi's resistance to "death" certainly seem to support the theory that he might be a certain already dead Naruto character! Also, depressingly, Sasuke looks like he is more than a match for the two of them. After all, this isn't the first time we've encountered a fearsome Akatsuki combination move that, presumably, is going to back fire on them. Sasuke has already noted that Deidara uses his hands to produce explosions, so I imagine now that he has yet another power to shot lighting shuriken, Deidara may very well soon be handless.

Naruto on the other hand, along with Yamato, was fooled by the old replacement jutsu. Maybe Sasuke was right-maybe they all should have trained under Orochimaru :P



no, it wasn't a replacement jutsu, it looked like kabuto slithered his way out of yamato's grip. As you can see from the image, the cape, shroud that kabuto was wearing is still in yamato's wood hold. I don't think Tobi = obito. If it really was obito, who brought him back from the dead? If there was a technique like this, why doesn't akatsuki use it to bring back former akatsuki members instead of recruiting new ones? This chapter was pretty good i should say, I enjoyed it. Tobi is really one funny guy.

Raijatsu
June 08, 2007, 05:20 PM
Tobi was defenitly hit by the sword... so why isn't he cut in half? is he really that fast?
or what the hell happened else (he said the shunshin was way to fast for him...)
and he seems to have analyzed Sasukes movements..... no he can direkt the C2 dragon...
did Obito defenitly die I mean did we see a dead body?

ShinobiWrath
June 08, 2007, 05:26 PM
no, it wasn't a replacement jutsu, it looked like kabuto slithered his way out of yamato's grip. As you can see from the image, the cape, shroud that kabuto was wearing is still in yamato's wood hold. I don't think Tobi = obito. If it really was obito, who brought him back from the dead? If there was a technique like this, why doesn't akatsuki use it to bring back former akatsuki members instead of recruiting new ones? This chapter was pretty good i should say, I enjoyed it. Tobi is really one funny guy.

You have a point but supposed Obito never died at all. Perhaps under thousands of punds of rock he managed to cling to the very last string of life in his body. Then afterwards he was reviltalized by someone after suffering terrible amnesia and raised to be a killing machine.....a Goofy, comical killing machine.

Toad Sage
June 08, 2007, 05:39 PM
Yah, we shouldn't get too sidetracked going over the Tobi/Obito theory since there is a LONG thread about that elsewhere. I was just trying to point out that it is interesting that Tobi survived, despite being struck by Sasuke's sword. I think we can all agree that Sasuke is an expert ninja, so he certainly would be sure that his weapon connected if he said so. Yet, Tobi seems to have some kind of "zombie power" like Kakuzu and Hidan, so it is possible he may be some kind of cyborg or undead creature (I believe the cyborg comparison is most visible in 280 or so, when his debute is accompanied by machine-like noises.)

Also, maybe I shouldn't have said replacement jutsu, but replacement like jutsu :P The point was that it's saddening both Naruto and Yamato are unskilled enough to be out foxed by such a basic move. For, while they are dealing with Kabutos "dodge jutsu," Sasuke is about to take on two Akatsuki single-handedly. I don't think any other character in the manga has come even close to surviving that type of challenge, let alone rising to it.

Omi
June 08, 2007, 06:03 PM
Looks like Oro is still in Sasuke ... muhahahaha. So Kabuto takes some cells of Oro's snake body and merges them into himself to become like his beloved master + what he says makes him sound like he is going to be the next opponent that Naruto will have to look behind his back for. How many techniques does Sasuke have ... I hope Naruto has some similar ones cause it wouldn't be fair. First its a lightning spear extended from his palm. Now he is throwing lightning around like its several tiny kunai's. I'm also wondering if Kishi intends to give Naruto the shunshin capability as well ... at least the 4th had it and he as already surpassed the 4th in terms of rasengan plus he has yellow hair too (White wolf2's student shall be Yellow Flash2). Next week should be the awesomeness.

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Toad Sage you forgot what you did way back in the first arc (I mean Jiraiya facing Itachi and Kisame)

USC Trojans
June 08, 2007, 06:54 PM
interesting chapter...

couple of things

1) I find it strange that Kabuto/Kishi claims to graft oro's body onto his own, because as we all know, it is NOT oro's original body. Orochimaru has been a 'spirit'-like being that jumps from one 'container' to the next. I don't understand how it can be claimed as Oro's body. (I'm sure anyone can make up a bunch of explanation, but I wonder how plausible it'll sound)


The giant white snake was Orochimaru's true form...and its corpse was lying around after Sasuke was done with Oro. And looking at Kabuto's left arm, it does look like snake scales so maybe he took the snake's body and grafted it into himself

richtoyz
June 08, 2007, 07:10 PM
if diedara has to go to his c2 weapons so early in the fight then u no he is in trouble because sasuke has not used his cs yet

LotusBlade
June 08, 2007, 07:27 PM
Although I have read all the manga and watched all anime, I don't remember what the C2 and C1 are, could someone care to explain?

And i can't wait to see what tobi does in the next chapter ^^

aznhotbod
June 08, 2007, 07:33 PM
the big bomb that Deidara used on Gaara was C3 or was it C4? It's possible that the power difference between a C1 and C2 is tremendous.

Tomodachi69
June 08, 2007, 07:33 PM
Although I have read all the manga and watched all anime, I don't remember what the C2 and C1 are, could someone care to explain?

And i can't wait to see what tobi does in the next chapter ^^

I think C1, C2, and C3 are the strengths of Deidara's clay, from weakest to strongest. Makes sense, anyway...

I really want to read a scanlation of this so I can better understand what happened with Tobi. He got hit, clearly, and collapsed, but then he got up like nothing happened. Maybe he said, "ow", or something, but still.

Haha, I wonder if Tobi will ever get serious? He's ALWAYS so comical.

shachi
June 08, 2007, 07:45 PM
I predict that we will not see that Sasuke fight but instead we will see more Naruto and Kabuto, and also Sakura following Karin until she figures out she is the scent that they are following and then confronts her. Chapter ends at the beginning of the fight.

I agree. Kishimoto will build up suspense for this highly anticipated battle by narrating simultaneous and subsequent events from 357. Slices of plot development featuring Suigetsu, Juugo, the Konoha nins, and likely--and mainly--Sakura tailing Karin.

Now, as for Kabuto, I don't think he transplanted an entire arm or eye from Orochimaru's corpse. I think he took something like the pinneal gland, or possibly transfused Orochimaru's blood, or something like that. Like a cancer, Orochimaru's life-force has metastasized, spreading almost unchecked throughout Kabuto's body, resulting in a visible transformation.

Hrm, finally, Tobi should have been disembowled by Sasuke's sword. To withstand that I guess:

a) he has some kind of rapid healing power

or

b) his body is not made of flesh and blood

yemsta
June 08, 2007, 07:47 PM
Yah, we shouldn't get too sidetracked going over the Tobi/Obito theory since there is a LONG thread about that elsewhere. I was just trying to point out that it is interesting that Tobi survived, despite being struck by Sasuke's sword. I think we can all agree that Sasuke is an expert ninja, so he certainly would be sure that his weapon connected if he said so. Yet, Tobi seems to have some kind of "zombie power" like Kakuzu and Hidan, so it is possible he may be some kind of cyborg or undead creature (I believe the cyborg comparison is most visible in 280 or so, when his debute is accompanied by machine-like noises.)

Also, maybe I shouldn't have said replacement jutsu, but replacement like jutsu :P The point was that it's saddening both Naruto and Yamato are unskilled enough to be out foxed by such a basic move. For, while they are dealing with Kabutos "dodge jutsu," Sasuke is about to take on two Akatsuki single-handedly. I don't think any other character in the manga has come even close to surviving that type of challenge, let alone rising to it.

Yeah this is a little frustrating for me I really do hope that sasuke gets his ass handed to him but anyway i trust deidara, look at him during the garra fight he purposely allowed his arm to get blown off for his plan. Deidara is a very good strategist and I doubt either him or tobi will die during this encounter because deidara at least is quite an established character and Tobi we know too little about him for him to be killed off by sasuke in one swing of his blade.

As for the attack kthat was launched on Tobi by sasuke I really dont understand what happened did he move really really fast or something. The problem with Tobi's character now is that when he does anything I instantly think back to kakashi gaiden to see if there is anything related.

Uchiha Slayer
June 08, 2007, 08:17 PM
I got to tell you, I dont like Sasuke to much...But I'll be damn if he aint a great and highly skilled shinobi. What strike me in this chapter was how fast sasuke learned deidara clay jutsus in an instant. But like the end of the chapter says sasuke is going be trapped by deidara, so we will see sasuke inexsperience fighting very strong shinobi, but still the speed the quick anylitical ability to comprehend jutsus with in the first use of the attack was just magnificent... I really think sasuke is on the kakashi level.

Do anybody agree? That sasuke is on the same level with kakashi

Decorus
June 08, 2007, 08:23 PM
It could be Tobi uses some kind of body transformation jutsu to reduce damage from physical attacks like Kakuzu's earth armor, Jiriayia's quill hair or Suigetsu's water body.

It should not suprise anyone that Deidara is having problems with Sasuke, he was nearly defeated by Gaara, lost to Kakashi and a much weaker Naruto. This does not mean he can't beat Sasuke with Tobi's help its just not going to be a Deidara instantly owns Sasuke fight. Deidara is going to have to reach into his bag of tricks and pull out the big guns.

Gahh
June 08, 2007, 08:31 PM
Mhh just some thought's on Tobis jutsus,
from what i've seen it could be some time manipulation jutsus.
Given he can restore himself with moving his body back in time, also he might be able to see stuff in "slow motion" or even "replay" to analyze things.

clues:
After he was cut, he fell to the ground, then he suddenly is back upright.
He has realized sasukes speed much faster, and was even able to warn deidara.

especially the second is a bit strange, you don't have often such "warnings" , at least not in Naruto. And if there are such ones, they come rarely soon enough.

I'm really curious whether my theory is right, we gonna see next chapter.

Uzumaki Clan
June 08, 2007, 09:11 PM
You mean they type of time and space manipulation commonly associated with Mangekyou Sharingan??????? (Sorry, I had to put that in)

Face Cannon
June 08, 2007, 09:29 PM
It's pretty depressing how overpowered Sasuke is. All these events are exciting, but Sasuke's existence is almost completely ruining my ability to enjoy the series. It's like Kishimoto is a Sasuke fanboy. And it's just ruining the whole series. Sasuke needs to get knocked down a peg or forty.

Yondaime-Uzumaki
June 08, 2007, 09:34 PM
Awsom Chapter, It was ice to see some dirt on sasuke's Face after The explosion of Deidera's Clays. But deidera is now in Big trouble 'cause sasuke Found that he can make clays with his palm... That fast given the fact that that's the first time they fight. Good to see that deidera have more treaks up his sleeves.

Tobi is just Hilarious... And its awsom to see that he's Able to make jokes after being cut in half... Sasuke was sure he killed Him , walking like a playa and saying One Down like if he knew it was going to be that easy. This guy ( tobi ) is crazy making joke while fighting a fight to death
Everytime he drop a line, you cant stop laughing.

Ehrinuchi
June 08, 2007, 09:57 PM
It's pretty depressing how overpowered Sasuke is. All these events are exciting, but Sasuke's existence is almost completely ruining my ability to enjoy the series. It's like Kishimoto is a Sasuke fanboy. And it's just ruining the whole series. Sasuke needs to get knocked down a peg or forty.

Overpowered compared to who? A regular Jounin? Yeah he's way superior now. The really powerful ninjas who are basically the only ones left now? No. Sasuke is very strong. So does the Akatsuki, so does Naruto.

If anything it's rather Naruto who's underestimated now rather than Sasuke being so much overpowered. I think what people don't understand is that every new named character is at least Jounin level now and most probably the elite type at that.
People also too easily forgot how Naruto took down an Akatsuki in a few minutes.

And Sasuke should be strong . He's currently Naruto's rival and Naruto needs a stepping stone to surpass. Also He is Itachi's little brother and Itachi was powered up in the same way but earlier.

Oh and yeah Great Chapter:P can’t wait for the next week...

Marq
June 08, 2007, 10:33 PM
He is overpowerful. He just can take two akatsuki members like that in his base form? Seriously, what the hell. He hasn't even activated CS1 one yet. The chapter itself was good, but I didn't like the way the fight witht Akatsuki is executed.

Double Helix-7
June 08, 2007, 10:40 PM
He is overpowerful. He just can take two akatsuki members like that in his base form? Seriously, what the hell. He hasn't even activated CS1 one yet. The chapter itself was good, but I didn't like the way the fight witht Akatsuki is executed.

I agree with Ehrinuchi with the above post. I don't think Sasuke is too overpower. A lot of shinobi and ninjas in Naruto are very powerful. Naruto might not be the brightest, but look at the amount of time it took him to learn his most powerful jutsu. Also, we don't know how the fight is going to turn out as of Sasuke Vs. Deidara&Tobi. I actually think he will need some help, seeing as it's two against one and that they are the Akatsuki. I doubt Kishi will make that too easy. If it was just Sasuke and Deidara, which seems like a fair enough match I wouldn't doubt Sasuke's power as much as 2 vs. 1 ;)

And right. He has the sharingans, which is a plus.

MadDog
June 08, 2007, 11:09 PM
Any chapter where Tobi makes an appearence always turns out a winner. This current story arc is shaping up to be the best one in while. Here are a few thoughts on 357:

I'm a big fan of Kakashi's ninja dog pack, but they need to get it together. I was hoping that Bull would jump in there and try to help capture Kabutochimaru, at least. Also, after Sakura's dogs missed the Sasuke-stink on Karin last chapter, I'm starting to see why Kakashi seems to rely on Pakun the most. However, I'm still glad that Kishimoto's finally featured them more.

Anyway, the new and crazy Kabuto is simply fantastic. The WhiteSnake Virus is making him lose his mind, big time, and he seems to love it. Also, Hinata gets a gold star for her contribution to this week's creepiest moment.

So Tobi can shake off an apparent fatal sword attack like it was nothing..hmmm. One explanation could be that his body's natural state is not solid, similar to Suigetsu (as someone mentioned in a previous post). However, rather than being in a liquid state, maybe his body (or part of his body) is gaseous. A "gassy" Tobi somehow seems appropriate for his character. His full body suit could be a container, like someone pointed out in a previous post (sorry, can't remember who, but it was an interesting idea). However, that doesn't really explain why his clothes were uneffected by Sasuke's kusangi blade.

Another explanation I like is the "Phasing" theory where he might be able to tranform his body/clothes from a solid to un-solid state at will. When being attacked by Sasuke, it appears that his body is shuddering as if some sort of adjustment was being made. Why didn't he just phase (if that's what he's doing) when surrounded by Deidara's clay mini-bird bombs...who knows? Maybe he's still vulnerable to certain attacks when in an un-solid state.

As for the offensive potential, Tobi might be able to phase part of the intended victim's body into the ground so that they are a sitting duck for Deidara's artwork.

Also, it's clear that Sasuke's plan is to kill one Akatsuki and question the other about Itachi. Based on this chapter, he'll probably switch the plan to killing Deidara (if he can) since he showed some vulnerability, and capturing Tobi since he's knife-proof and may be easily scarred into talking about Akatsuki/Itachi.

Deidara's C2 Dragon is huge (and obviously dangerious) but it doesn't look all that fearsome. It'll be interesting to see if it has other abilities besides flying, expolding and smashing things with it's tail. A little dragon style fire breath might catch Sasuke off guard and distract him for Tobi. Can't wait for next week's chapter.

cinamax
June 08, 2007, 11:14 PM
Sasuke is not overpowered yet. He beat Orochimaru but remember he had to wait until Orochimaru lost his human shell, which means he doesnt have any hands to perform seals. Oro's strength has always been his seals. Sasuke may be fast because his sharingan can predict movements but killing Oro wasnt that hard given the state he was in. Also Oro couldnt kill Sasuke because he want his body.

Deidara is probably the worst opponent for Sasuke because he use explosion attack not seals, genjutsu or taijutsu. For example, a guy like Kisame would be easily pwned by Sasuke.

I do agree, its a stretch to make Sasuke seem so powerful when it comes to movement speed. He shouldnt be faster than Yamato or Kakashi, or Deidara.

I think Deidara has C1 C2 up to level C4 if we follow explosive nomenclature. Sasuke will need CS1 to fight C2 and then CS2 to counter Deidara's C4. But in the end CS2 will use too much chakra so Tobi end up with a freebie after Deidara is a goner.

PS-Sasuke did not cut Tobi in half. His sword is really a stick and he didnt activate chidori on it, so he only really hit Tobi hard and think he knocked him down.

Decorus
June 08, 2007, 11:37 PM
Kisame is not a good idea for Sasuke to fight it would be over in under a minute.
"Chakra drained"
Smack
Sasuke down....

How do you know he's faster then Kakashi?
Deidara has always been slow.
Yamato we have no clue what his speed actually is since he's usually stationary in most fights.

Also the Cursed Seals will kill Sasuke so using them is typically a bad idea. Think Kyuubi tailed form for Naruto without the accelerated healing.

MadDog
June 08, 2007, 11:51 PM
Kisame is not a good idea for Sasuke to fight it would be over in under a minute.
"Chakra drained"
Smack
Sasuke down....

Kisame seemed to keep up with Gai pretty well, and it's doubtful that Sasuke has his level of speed.


Deidara has always been slow.


Deidara is slow on the ground, but his serious/main fighting style takes things to the air where he has an advantage in speed and mobility. We may find out if CS2 Sasuke can actually fly and if he can keep up with Deidara.

DeathByFangirlism
June 09, 2007, 12:42 AM
I love the bit where Tobi is talking about Deidara like he's dead("Deidara-sempai...I'll never forget you...") and Deidara tells Tobi to stop whining.Tobi is hilarious.

As for the Akatsuki vs Sasuke fight,well..I'm looking forward to seeing what Deidara and Tobi have planned.This arc just keeps getting better and better.

cinamax
June 09, 2007, 12:43 AM
Kisame is not a good idea for Sasuke to fight it would be over in under a minute.
"Chakra drained"
Smack
Sasuke down....


Oh Quite the contraire. Sasuke's attack doesnt depend on largely chakra. He is supposedly a deadly taijutsu guy with sharingan to deliver pinpoint attacks. A guy like Naruto will be pwned by Kisame who will dispell his chakra manipulation attacks.



How do you know he's faster then Kakashi?
Deidara has always been slow.
Yamato we have no clue what his speed actually is since he's usually stationary in most fights.

Because Orochimaru is a lot faster than Kakashi. Sasuke in CS2 who can match/surpass Oro's speed is how he killed him in the snake form. Hence Sasuke is atleast as fast as Kakashi if not faster.



Also the Cursed Seals will kill Sasuke so using them is typically a bad idea. Think Kyuubi tailed form for Naruto without the accelerated healing.
Cursed Seals drain chakra fast sure, thats why they only use it to deliver the last blow. As weve seen, Sasuke and other CS2 users go to that stage only when its needed or when they are sure that it will give them the win. Thats why Sasuke must knock one down first before he goes CS2 to kill the other.

philixus1988
June 09, 2007, 12:44 AM
I do think that tobi is another one of those immortal type.

renrutal
June 09, 2007, 02:08 AM
Hehe, Tobi is becoming one of my favorite characters, damn hilarious!

That move from him reminded me of the ghost twins from Matrix Reloaded.

ophidial
June 09, 2007, 03:04 AM
in comparing deidara's reactions sasukes sneak attack, does
does this show that naruto's speed and sneakiiness is at least at
sasukes level as while deidara was able to both react to and
counter sasukes attack he wasn't able to for naruto?

anyways both loved and disliked this chapter, sasukes getting out of hand
and needs to get utterly thrashed soon.

llamapie
June 09, 2007, 03:19 AM
Man you guys expect kishi to write like this is DBZ. Power level wins all, bland and predictable. One of the finer points of Naruto-verse is the fact that skill is the true factor. Naruto is my favorite character by far but I don't mind sasuke kicking ass. Will make it oh so much sweeter when Naruto pwns him..

AND OMFG... Chidori needles... Sasuke is crazy.. Not only has he turned chidori into a whip he's turned em into projectiles.. Naruto needs to master his element like that.

ikuroi
June 09, 2007, 03:27 AM
in comparing deidara's reactions sasukes sneak attack, does
does this show that naruto's speed and sneakiiness is at least at
sasukes level as while deidara was able to both react to and
counter sasukes attack he wasn't able to for naruto?

anyways both loved and disliked this chapter, sasukes getting out of hand
and needs to get utterly thrashed soon.

Lol, not really the same thing. Right now Deidara got clay and arms, he didn't when he faced Naruto.

llamapie
June 09, 2007, 03:38 AM
Wow it's hard to predict what will happen at this point but if I had to predict something I'd say Deidara is a goner. Sasuke can summon Giant snakes now and even worse he's pursuing Itachi meaning any riff raff that gets in his way will either end up going home diced or sliced.

On Kabuto's part, it's nearly impossible to predict what he has planned considering he is probably Orochimaru. One thing is for sure, th next few chapters are going to be explosive----and I do mean that quite literally.

We'll see what happens.. That giant dragon.. man curious what deida is gonna do with it.. No no what kishi pulled off is a very clever thing. Kabuto is a new super-villain. oro is officially gone, lets keep it that way. The fact he promised to fight Naruto, means kabuto acknowledges Naruto as a worthy opponent..

I think the next chapter will involve kiba's group coming accross that big CS2 dude. Kakashi will likely find something or come to the aid of someone. The sasuke battle will probably stretch a good chunk of chapter..

dasher232
June 09, 2007, 04:09 AM
I have a new found respect for Deidara even though going into it he was rather cocky he knows when to not underestimate an opponent. Also he mentioned something about Sasuke mistaking his sharingan for his own power now that sounds familiar. Kyuubi Naruto. At lest he hasn't been bitten by the plot jutsu bug ...Yet. I still think he's on his way out though. Weather it's Sasuke who takes him out legitimately or Sakura charging in an distracting them. Nice chapter but i'm hoping we get some info from the black book especially for blue hair.

Remus
June 09, 2007, 04:11 AM
Tobi is by far the best Akatsuki member. Sasuke's face was gold after he realised he hit nothing with his cheap butter knife. He may have deflected attacks of Deidara but he wasnt even able to land one blow. And Tobi didnt even interfere. Let's hope Tobi shows us some moves.

fremeer
June 09, 2007, 04:16 AM
Oh Quite the contraire. Sasuke's attack doesnt depend on largely chakra. He is supposedly a deadly taijutsu guy with sharingan to deliver pinpoint attacks. A guy like Naruto will be pwned by Kisame who will dispell his chakra manipulation attacks.


Because Orochimaru is a lot faster than Kakashi. Sasuke in CS2 who can match/surpass Oro's speed is how he killed him in the snake form. Hence Sasuke is atleast as fast as Kakashi if not faster.


Cursed Seals drain chakra fast sure, thats why they only use it to deliver the last blow. As weve seen, Sasuke and other CS2 users go to that stage only when its needed or when they are sure that it will give them the win. Thats why Sasuke must knock one down first before he goes CS2 to kill the other.

dont forget kisames chakra draining sword which would destroy most of sasukes chakra. it was never stated that orochimaru was faster then kakashi. most likely orochimaru knew more techniques and as stronger but saying that he was faster is not a fair comparison. Also oro's speed as a snake does not actually show his real speed or strnegth since by then he was barely alive and the snake body would have crap accelerated movement due to intertia. i dont think sasuke has a hope in hell to take both of em on atm, maybe one he might get lucky with but tobi didnt even look scared of sasuke.

Konkun
June 09, 2007, 04:38 AM
Any chapter where Tobi makes an appearence always turns out a winner. This current story arc is shaping up to be the best one in while. Here are a few thoughts on 357:

I'm a big fan of Kakashi's ninja dog pack, but they need to get it together. I was hoping that Bull would jump in there and try to help capture Kabutochimaru, at least. Also, after Sakura's dogs missed the Sasuke-stink on Karin last chapter, I'm starting to see why Kakashi seems to rely on Pakun the most. However, I'm still glad that Kishimoto's finally featured them more.


I don't think Sakura's dog missed the scent. When the dog said 'Very close' and then 'It's gone' just as they passed Karin, you get a shot of Sakura/Karin's face, so its a hint that Sakura noticed Karin. They were in a crowded market place, therefore it would have been unwise for Sakura to engage Karin. They want to limit the civillians involvement and probably following Karin until they are far from the market.

Decorus
June 09, 2007, 05:30 AM
Sasuke is actually requires chakra to use his Sharingan, maintain his speed (It also drains his stamina as well). Use any of his jutsu etc. No chakra and trust me if Kisame's sword can suck down Naruto's chakra in seconds, Sasuke will be empty by the time the bindings come off the sword and then the fight will end moments later. So the only people who stand a chance against Kisame are either Shino or Gai and Rock Lee.

Orochimaru is slower then Naruto or did you miss that part? The only really huge speed demons we have seen are Gai/Rock Lee, Kimmero, and Itachi.

Sasuke is not a deadly Taijutsu guy, like all Uchiha he fights at mid to long range or did you miss how most of his techniques other then Chidori seem to keep the fight as far away from him as possible? Lightning Shuriken, extendable lightning weapon, Snakes to immobilize his opponent, Fire jutsu, Uchiha Shuriken techniques, his AE Chidori, etc...

Now Neji, Rock Lee and Naruto are all close to medium range fighters. In Rock Lee and Naruto's case less Medium more close.

Honestly its nigh impossible to compare speeds with out a proper match up against one another.

Deidara and Sasuke are evenly matched in terms of both having ranged combat jutsu, but I think Deidara's explosive clay combined with his bird out match Sasuke in a long term fight. Sasuke is limited in terms of endurance + chakra being not enough to last in a long term battle. As long as Deidara does not run out of explosives and can avoid Sasuke's attacks he will win just by outlasting his opponent.

Sure Sasuke can go CS2, but that shortens the time limit he can continue the fight to an even shorter duration as the seal devours his body.

spactaa
June 09, 2007, 07:24 AM
CS2 is good to finish a fight, but using it while you don't even know about tobi's ability, it would be risky. Imo, sasuke may be strong, maybe he can kill deidera if he goes CS1 or CS2, but never he will be able to kill deidera AND tobi by himself. Anyway I don't think tobi will die here anyway, maybe we will see his face or something like that.

Dan Dappa
June 09, 2007, 08:02 AM
This chapter was alright to me, it still amazes me at how much stronger Sasuke has become in the timeskip and since he absorbed Orochimaru and it was funny how Tobi was crying like a little girl.

toyin
June 09, 2007, 08:30 AM
Tobi is probably going to surpise sasuke

Ehrinuchi
June 09, 2007, 09:04 AM
Tobi is by far the best Akatsuki member. Sasuke's face was gold after he realised he hit nothing with his cheap butter knife. He may have deflected attacks of Deidara but he wasnt even able to land one blow. And Tobi didnt even interfere. Let's hope Tobi shows us some moves.

Tobi didn't dodge the sword. After getting cut by the sword, Tobi fell to the ground, and Sasuke acted as if the cut was a success (he should be intelligent enough to know whether he cut the person or the air). His only surprise is Tobi acted as a member of the zombie duo (by getting up, as if nothing had happened), who are expected to have been already eliminated.

bighawke5
June 09, 2007, 11:32 AM
well at least we know that sasuke's speed is a D ranked jutsu and that he perfected it...i always said it was a jutsu or technique and the basis of it was thought to both him and naruto during the haku and zabuza arc when kakashi thought them the tree walking exercise...except this technique is like an outburst of chakra in the legs increasin ur speed over a certain distance and the uchiha clan menber sensui was known for that and he was the best friend of itachi but itachi killed him to get the MS...thing is sasuke is using this technique to his advantage and since he has the sword variant of oro and kenjutsu skills he can kill ppl effectively/swiftly with that technique while at the same time using very lil to no chakra at all...

even tobi stated what it was so now we all have proof..its a jutsu sasuke mastered...

thing is rock lee doesnt use that jutsu since he cant use jutsu at all and thats the thing they felled to mention in anywhere...the fact that sasuke tires using this d ranked jutsu is that its a jutsu requiring using chakra proportional to the distance ur about to cover in that lil time so doing that used up lots of chakra and tired him out..so he didnt use it the whole fight not even with naruto (he used it like one or twice in the fight with naruto)

this technique is infact the main technique kyuubi naruto (no tails) uses in the movies when he goes super fast... and its the same technique naruto used when he was in that same kyuubi form and attacked deidara on page 17 to 18 in chapter 276 (he suddenly appeared behind deidara and punched the nuts outta him) dont missunderstand this technique with anything naruto has done while not in that kyuubi mode since he uses this jutsu most in that mode or maybe its the speed boost he gets from kyuubi either way...wtvr

if u want more facts check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Fire#Shisui_Uchiha
also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28A-G%29#Body_Flicker_Technique

White Rabbit
June 09, 2007, 12:31 PM
thing is rock lee doesnt use that jutsu since he cant use jutsu at all...

taijutsu is also jutsu and rock lee uses it pretty well... omote renge for example is a jutsu that requires a precise chakra-control.
and since the shunshin-jutsu doesn't look like a nin- or gen-jutsu to me, i think it could also be a taijutsu-move.

and i also think naruto appeared behind deidara in chapter 276 because deidara was distracted by kakashi and the naruto-bunshin. so imo the situation was more like when he landed his rasenshuriken on kakuzu... i don't think he definitely used shunshin there.

ornis
June 09, 2007, 12:54 PM
Maybe bighawke5 was referring to the nin- and genjutsu Rock Lee can't use...

//Shunshin is ninjutsu, so Lee doesn't use it//

I just wish Sasuke uses Rai-Shunshin down the road... unless the use would be too extravagant... >.>

sharingan_kakashi
June 09, 2007, 01:55 PM
//Shunshin is ninjutsu, so Lee doesn't use it//

I just wish Sasuke uses Rai-Shunshin down the road... unless the use would be too extravagant... >.>

If Lee can walk on water then he can control chakra on his feet, Shunshin is the same principle as that. so i don't think its ninjutsu. or maybe Lee can use any ninjutsu except ones that use seals O.o

What is this rai-shunshin you speak of? or is that another name for hiraishin.

And, Tobi definitely got hit by that sword. Deidara even said he let his guard down. But i dont know how he got up, maybe sasuke used the non-leathal side of his sword.

someguyudontknow
June 09, 2007, 03:19 PM
I do not believe that the shunshin no jutsu is as simple as storing chakra in your feet and out bursting it in a quick moment for maximum speed. Otherwise there would be plenty of people with god like speed going around the naruto-verse. Take for instance the 5th hokage, and sakura, their monstrous strengths relies on storing huge amounts of chakra in their fist and releasing it in the instant their hits land for that "super human" strength punch. If shunshin's speed movements really depends on how well you can store and control chakra in your feet then, naturally the 5th and sakura would be the fastest. Since they are not, it's most likely that this isn't how shunshin works.

lordHokage
June 09, 2007, 04:07 PM
Tobi is one funny character, I like him. :tobi

I think Deidara and Tobi are only playing with Sasuke, they are not interested in killing him, they know he doesn’t have what it takes to kill them. Even though Sasuke notices Deidara ability to make explosives with his palms, the end results will still be the same, because Deidara is full of many surprises - Deidara vs. Gaara, Kakashi and Naruto. :eyeroll

Another good chapter, it was funny. :blink

juUnior
June 09, 2007, 04:52 PM
Wow, awesome chapter in my opinion.

Firstly, I think that another cover with Deidara confirms somewhat, that he is one of popular characters within people in Japan (I have such feeling). Cover is really good, and I like it that humoruous thing with 3 tonques :D
Kabuto and his Oro side within him, that's interesting how Kishi did it. It gives two possiblities: either Kabuto will be much, much stronger, or Oro will be having comeback ^^ Really good, really good, this or this way, doeasn't matter for me, it will be interesting :p And of kors Hinata did Byakugan and even said and think something :wtf
Little scene of fighting Naruto vs Kabuto and appearance behind of Kabuto - Yamato, but all in all, Kabuto is good at that things to escape :x I liked that, as well as how Kabuto dissepair. He is indeed very interesting character :D

Fight in this chapter, as well as week before with the begining, Dei vs Saske is really interesting and cool. But this is in short :p
- I really liked the panels of that fight, for example this page is baddass: (I just love this page xD)
http://img163.imagevenue.com/loc1129/th_08277_Naruto_357_pg08_122_1129lo.jpg (http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08277_Naruto_357_pg08_122_1129lo.jpg)
Actually I think that art in this chapter in that fight was really cool to see xDxDxD

- haha, also one of the best things was how Saske cut through Tobi, and later on he get up as nothing happend. This gives some idea, that he can be really some robotic thing plus some organic thing muahaha :D Also loved the scene, and how Saske had his face: wtf xDxD Actually, Tobi got up really cool, with head down, like some zombie xD

- another thing and panels, which were cool, are with Deidara having both hands in his clay bags, just cool:
[zombie Tobi and Dei cool panels]
http://img41.imagevenue.com/loc799/th_08284_Naruto_357_pg10_122_799lo.jpg (http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08284_Naruto_357_pg10_122_799lo.jpg)

Deidara looks badass xD

- attack of Dei using small "bombs", and re-attack of Saske with.. hmm it reminded me of Dragonball somewhat.. with using chakra as some things to throw xD
- later on Saske appears behing Dei and attacks, and somewhat Dei defends. Cool xD
- hahaha Tobi saying how he will miss sempai, it was hilarious xDxD
- dragon, dragon, for now I don;'t like it ;p But I want to see, what will happen now, and how Deidara will use that dragon thing to harm Saske xD :D

All in all, awesome chapter. To that I think now I realize, that I like fights including Deidara, he just thinks really fast in battles, it was proved back in Dei vs Gaara, later on how he escaped Gai team, and now how he fights with Saske. Although he probably is supposed to be doomed (probably not killed, but we will see), I think I liked his way of fighting :p :D

Lord Hokage agreed, Deidara is always suprpise man, but right now is facing Saske which is Kishis favourite, chances are Dei, because of the story, will somewhat surprise us, or beause of Kishi's will, Saske will win. But even so, I agree, Dei is full of many surprises :D:D

lordHokage
June 09, 2007, 05:44 PM
Firstly, I think that another cover with Deidara confirms somewhat, that he is one of popular characters within people in Japan (I have such feeling).

Lord Hokage agreed, Deidara is always suprpise man, but right now is facing Saske which is Kishis favourite, chances are Dei, because of the story, will somewhat surprise us, or beause of Kishi's will, Saske will win. But even so, I agree, Dei is full of many surprises :D:D

I don’t share in the theory that Sasuke is Kishimoto favorite character, it all about the storyline. :p

However, I don’t think he’s going to kill Deidara off any time soon. I will like Gaara or Naruto to kill Deidara not Sasuke, he has nothing to gain. Sasuke vs. Deidara and Tobi will lead to many questions and no answers. Deidara and Tobi vs. Sasuke will lead to many answers for Akatsuki. :amuse

Thank you. I too agree with you. :)

starfall856
June 09, 2007, 07:04 PM
Sasuke is going to destroy Deidara
I mean Deidara's cool and he may not die
but do any of you see Sasuke losing to Deidara? Seriously if he loses to Deidara he ill never win against Itachi so just his will to kill Itachi makes him more powerful then Deidara

Tobi of course will live because he's cool
Tobi is my hero
Oh yeah and I think Tobi is like Kimimaru ( i forget his name) Orochimaru's minion, Juugo's best buddy, and the guy gaara killed. I remember hearing stuff about him being a anthology life form or some such nonsense. Something like he is no longer alive he just lives for one purpose, hes not really a person. Cause Kimimaru was really sick but he was like magically better. If Tobi were like him that would back up the theory that he is Obito and how he survived the rock slide and stuff

this is the page where it says something about only consisting of a consciousness

http://downloads.thespectrum.net/naruto/naruto_v23/naruto_v23_043.jpg

Mendes
June 09, 2007, 07:35 PM
Sasuke is going to destroy Deidara
I mean Deidara's cool and he may not die
but do any of you see Sasuke losing to Deidara? Seriously if he loses to Deidara he ill never win against Itachi so just his will to kill Itachi makes him more powerful then Deidara

Tobi of course will live because he's cool
Tobi is my hero
Oh yeah and I think Tobi is like Kimimaru ( i forget his name) Orochimaru's minion, Juugo's best buddy, and the guy gaara killed. I remember hearing stuff about him being a anthology life form or some such nonsense. Something like he is no longer alive he just lives for one purpose, hes not really a person. Cause Kimimaru was really sick but he was like magically better. If Tobi were like him that would back up the theory that he is Obito and how he survived the rock slide and stuff

this is the page where it says something about only consisting of a consciousness

http://downloads.thespectrum.net/naruto/naruto_v23/naruto_v23_043.jpg

I agree that Sasuke cant loose here if he is to fight against Itachi. It would make sense that Sasuke wins this match against 2 Akatsukis and send them back alive. That would send Itachi a massive message from his brother, that he aint kidding around and has what it takes to do the job.
About Obito being Tobi, I dont think this so. Tobi survived after that hit because he certainly has some strange ability. Obito seemed like a normal human... and a normal human wouldnt have survived that. Even if he did, I cant see a reason why he would join akatsuki...

lordHokage
June 09, 2007, 08:16 PM
I agree that Sasuke cant loose here if he is to fight against Itachi. It would make sense that Sasuke wins this match against 2 Akatsukis and send them back alive. That would send Itachi a massive message from his brother, that he aint kidding around and has what it takes to do the job.

I disagree. At this moment, Sasuke is clueless about Tobi, Deidara is unpredictable. Sasuke will definitely send a massive message back, he’s not ready and not even serious but still fooling around. :eyeroll

bighawke5
June 09, 2007, 08:36 PM
taijutsu is also jutsu and rock lee uses it pretty well... omote renge for example is a jutsu that requires a precise chakra-control.
and since the shunshin-jutsu doesn't look like a nin- or gen-jutsu to me, i think it could also be a taijutsu-move.

and i also think naruto appeared behind deidara in chapter 276 because deidara was distracted by kakashi and the naruto-bunshin. so imo the situation was more like when he landed his rasenshuriken on kakuzu... i don't think he definitely used shunshin there.

taijutsu is not a jutsu its a way of fighting...do u know what jutsus are?? they explained it to naruto a few time in the anime/manga...in naruto a jutsu is a general term referring to any technique a ninja might use that an ordinary human would likely be unable to naturally imitate. jutsu often rely on the manipulation of chakra by various methods, the most common of which is hand seals. The hand seals consist of a combination of twelve-animal symbols that derive from the Chinese earthly branches.

get ur facts right b4 conterin my arguments..okay lol taijutsu is hand to hand combat and its a way of fighting. taijutsu refers to any techniques involving the martial arts or the optimization of natural human abilities in general. In other words, taijutsu is executed by accessing the user's stamina directly, rather than converting the user's stamina to chakra in order to execute a ninjutsu or genjutsu technique. so its a technique but u dont need to manipulate chakra by hand seals and such to use it...which is where rock lee can't go...u dont need all those chakra manipulation and u need to manipulate ur chakra to do ninjutsu and we all know he cant use ninjutsu at all... its simple really u can't mold ur chakra u cant perfoms ninjutsus but it dont mean u dont have chakra or cant control it with trainin it just mean u cant perform ninjutsu unless ur able to mold ur chakra.

thing is since evrybody has chakra and can use it..he's a ninja and can do most basic stuff like standing on water doesnt require ninjutsu but it requires chakra focus and he knows how to control his chakra flow thats how he's able to stand on water and open the gates by burstin out chakra to the gates and opening them..thats how it was shown so that requires some control of chakra..

just dont confuse jutsus and taijutsu...it has jutsu in it but its only cuz its a technique but not any technique like ninjutsu

now go to wikipedia and read bout shunshin no jutsu and tell me its not a jutsu...its english name is body flicker i know my facts buddy, know urs.

and dude he didn't just appeared behind him there was 4 clones and one wit kakashi three around gaara and one of the clones around gaara got up and said"i'll get you" and then he suddenly appeared behind him and punched him then on page 13 ch 277 they showed the 2 narutos that were still left with gaara land to greet sakura and the old lady when they arrived...so u tell me with ur logic where do u think that the third clone went when he got angry and deidara was lookin at him? where?

on pg 17 276 deidara is lookin at the three clones around gaara and one of the clones says "i'll get you" then kakashi says u let ur guard down..then its shown that the clone that says "i'll get u" is behind deidara on pg 18-19 and punches him and at the end of the fight when sakura gets there only 2 clones get down with gaara...wat happened to clone #3 huh? there was no clone number 5 since one was with kakashi, three where wit gaara and only 2 were wit him at the end and the one that zipped after deidara was next to kakashi (pg 13 ch 277) having suffered from the kyuubi 2 tails mode and kakashi left that other 4th clone that was next to him back on pg15 ch 276) so in total there where 4 clones (not including the extra ones that fought deidara on his fall)

u cant say that clone just sneaked his way behind deidara when deidara was distracted by kakashi since kakashi was on the tree tired from using the MS with one clone with him...and deidara was lookin at the clones and wondering bout naruto being the jinchuriki and all
anyways...thats off topic but i hate when ppl contradict and cant prove their facts, its like someone comes on this forum and says "oro's the strongest akatsuki" and dont back it up..its useless provide facts and pages from chapters
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I do not believe that the shunshin no jutsu is as simple as storing chakra in your feet and out bursting it in a quick moment for maximum speed. Otherwise there would be plenty of people with god like speed going around the naruto-verse. Take for instance the 5th hokage, and sakura, their monstrous strengths relies on storing huge amounts of chakra in their fist and releasing it in the instant their hits land for that "super human" strength punch. If shunshin's speed movements really depends on how well you can store and control chakra in your feet then, naturally the 5th and sakura would be the fastest. Since they are not, it's most likely that this isn't how shunshin works.

shunshin is not a super advance move like u guys make it to be and i believe u guys think that cuz sasuke is using it.....thing is its known by any ninja above genin lv basically read wikipedia for info..body flicker in english

they dont really explain how its done but it has to do with using lots of chakra and it tires easily if ur not skilled at using it(i.e 4 certain situations to ur advantage...not 4 evry move u make)
i say it has to do with storin chakra in ur feet since kakashi thought naruto and sasuke the tree walkin exercise and after ward sasuke saw that in a flashback and used that technique but a diff way to keep up with HAKU's speed...ur not gonna tell me he just increased his speed without providin how unless he's naruto and had kyuubi workin in him..the tree walkin exercise was the basis of the move he uses to go super fast and he worked on it wit kakashi more b4 the chunnin exams and practically gained rock lee's speed but it wasn't really his own speed but a technique and wat made me think that is when tobi said it and also the fact that he tired from using that super speed...rock lee said he didnt have the stamina to keep that speed up but rock lee doesnt need that stamina or chakra to keep up with it...its his own speed and he doesnt use shunshin since its a jutsu...sasuke on the other hand is using a jutsu which requires lots of chakra depending on the distance and how much ur using it...read bout itachi's best friend who used it...they didnt say much bout the effects it had on him but did say he was so skilled at using it and thats how he got his nick name lol im thinking sasuke well prob get that nick also sasuke of the body flicker lmao jk but yea anyways.

u havent really thought bout one thing...sakura might know it and isnt using it since she knows what the effects are and what it takes to use it...she's prob not silled at it..same with naruto...but those that know how to use it effectively use it...yamato has also used it in the recent chapter to zip behind yamato...b4 hand u didnt know he could do that but u prob knew he was strong and above genin lv lol

xi0
June 09, 2007, 10:17 PM
Wrong. It has been explicitly stated in the story many times that taijutsu is as much a jutsu as Ninjutsu and Genjutsu are. How else could you explain taijutsu techniques like Morning Peacock or Reverse/Front Lotus? Granted these are used in conjunction with Hachimon/Eight Gates releases, but it's still taijutsu.

Jutsus in the Narutoverse are any techniques that a ninja uses, regardless of whether they require the molding of chakra.

Mendes
June 09, 2007, 10:26 PM
I disagree. At this moment, Sasuke is clueless about Tobi, Deidara is unpredictable. Sasuke will definitely send a massive message back, he’s not ready and not even serious but still fooling around. :eyeroll

And what would be the point of that? Sasuke just got no better this last years? He needs to look very impressive so that he can take on Itachi. It seems to me that Itachi wont loose in a 1 on 1 fight to anyone we know, but till the Uchihas match up, it must look like the odds are tied so there will be more hype into it :P

I cannot imagine Sasuke loosing here. If that happened the whole creation of Hebi would be pointless. Sasuke would need more training and he doesnt need a team for it

lordHokage
June 09, 2007, 11:29 PM
And what would be the point of that? Sasuke just got no better this last years? He needs to look very impressive so that he can take on Itachi. It seems to me that Itachi wont loose in a 1 on 1 fight to anyone we know, but till the Uchihas match up, it must look like the odds are tied so there will be more hype into it :P

I cannot imagine Sasuke loosing here. If that happened the whole creation of Hebi would be pointless. Sasuke would need more training and he doesnt need a team for it

Throughout the series, Sasuke was never a true supporter of teamwork. This defeat will teach Sasuke a valuable lesson, without true representation of teamwork you can’t achieve your goals. :eyeroll

That’s one of the storyline objectives, teamwork. :)

bighawke5
June 09, 2007, 11:39 PM
Wrong. It has been explicitly stated in the story many times that taijutsu is as much a jutsu as Ninjutsu and Genjutsu are. How else could you explain taijutsu techniques like Morning Peacock or Reverse/Front Lotus? Granted these are used in conjunction with Hachimon/Eight Gates releases, but it's still taijutsu.

Jutsus in the Narutoverse are any techniques that a ninja uses, regardless of whether they require the molding of chakra.


do u even know the definition of taijutsu?
Taijutsu techniques, in short, are techniques that involve hand-to-hand combat and skill through the body. Taijutsu techniques do not require hand seals, and generally, no skill with Ninjutsu. Instead of training their spirit and mind, Taijutsu training consists of difficult physical excercises and muscle-building. These techniques sometimes coincide with chakra use, but they can also be as simple as a punch. any techniques involving the martial arts or the optimization of natural human abilities in general...

even though stuff are stated in the narutoverse as jutsus some actually arent and thats what im arguin bout im talkin bout..if u go with watever and say everything is a jutsu then u would say what kakashi used on naruto "Thousand Years of Death" is an actual jutsu but it isnt....there's a slight translation prob here jutsus can be techniques only so thats an area where taijutsu lies..its not a jutsu like ninjutsus or genjutsus or kenjutsu...which are not only techniques but chakra mixture of the energy present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy gained from exercise and experience that is molded and used in battle..thats where rock lee fails since he only knows what u may call a jutsu (taijutsu--a technique/style)


dont even know how we got into the whole taijutsu not being a jutsu argument...i was talkin bout sasuke being skilled at using a d-ranked jutsu called body flicker and that naruto gets a boost in his speed when he goes kyuubi(not tails mode) and someone said its not sasuke's normal speed (when he flash steps)but a jutsu..and i agreed its body flicker
so i dunno how i got into the convo about taijutsus and stuff but i stop here about that taijutsu/jutsu discussion

someguyudontknow
June 09, 2007, 11:49 PM
taijutsu is not a jutsu its a way of fighting...do u know what jutsus are?? they explained it to naruto a few time in the anime/manga...in naruto a jutsu is a general term referring to any technique a ninja might use that an ordinary human would likely be unable to naturally imitate. jutsu often rely on the manipulation of chakra by various methods, the most common of which is hand seals. The hand seals consist of a combination of twelve-animal symbols that derive from the Chinese earthly branches.

get ur facts right b4 conterin my arguments..okay lol taijutsu is hand to hand combat and its a way of fighting. taijutsu refers to any techniques involving the martial arts or the optimization of natural human abilities in general. In other words, taijutsu is executed by accessing the user's stamina directly, rather than converting the user's stamina to chakra in order to execute a ninjutsu or genjutsu technique. so its a technique but u dont need to manipulate chakra by hand seals and such to use it...which is where rock lee can't go...u dont need all those chakra manipulation and u need to manipulate ur chakra to do ninjutsu and we all know he cant use ninjutsu at all... its simple really u can't mold ur chakra u cant perfoms ninjutsus but it dont mean u dont have chakra or cant control it with trainin it just mean u cant perform ninjutsu unless ur able to mold ur chakra.

thing is since evrybody has chakra and can use it..he's a ninja and can do most basic stuff like standing on water doesnt require ninjutsu but it requires chakra focus and he knows how to control his chakra flow thats how he's able to stand on water and open the gates by burstin out chakra to the gates and opening them..thats how it was shown so that requires some control of chakra..

just dont confuse jutsus and taijutsu...it has jutsu in it but its only cuz its a technique but not any technique like ninjutsu

now go to wikipedia and read bout shunshin no jutsu and tell me its not a jutsu...its english name is body flicker i know my facts buddy, know urs.

and dude he didn't just appeared behind him there was 4 clones and one wit kakashi three around gaara and one of the clones around gaara got up and said"i'll get you" and then he suddenly appeared behind him and punched him then on page 13 ch 277 they showed the 2 narutos that were still left with gaara land to greet sakura and the old lady when they arrived...so u tell me with ur logic where do u think that the third clone went when he got angry and deidara was lookin at him? where?

on pg 17 276 deidara is lookin at the three clones around gaara and one of the clones says "i'll get you" then kakashi says u let ur guard down..then its shown that the clone that says "i'll get u" is behind deidara on pg 18-19 and punches him and at the end of the fight when sakura gets there only 2 clones get down with gaara...wat happened to clone #3 huh? there was no clone number 5 since one was with kakashi, three where wit gaara and only 2 were wit him at the end and the one that zipped after deidara was next to kakashi (pg 13 ch 277) having suffered from the kyuubi 2 tails mode and kakashi left that other 4th clone that was next to him back on pg15 ch 276) so in total there where 4 clones (not including the extra ones that fought deidara on his fall)

u cant say that clone just sneaked his way behind deidara when deidara was distracted by kakashi since kakashi was on the tree tired from using the MS with one clone with him...and deidara was lookin at the clones and wondering bout naruto being the jinchuriki and all
anyways...thats off topic but i hate when ppl contradict and cant prove their facts, its like someone comes on this forum and says "oro's the strongest akatsuki" and dont back it up..its useless provide facts and pages from chapters
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shunshin is not a super advance move like u guys make it to be and i believe u guys think that cuz sasuke is using it.....thing is its known by any ninja above genin lv basically read wikipedia for info..body flicker in english

they dont really explain how its done but it has to do with using lots of chakra and it tires easily if ur not skilled at using it(i.e 4 certain situations to ur advantage...not 4 evry move u make)
i say it has to do with storin chakra in ur feet since kakashi thought naruto and sasuke the tree walkin exercise and after ward sasuke saw that in a flashback and used that technique but a diff way to keep up with HAKU's speed...ur not gonna tell me he just increased his speed without providin how unless he's naruto and had kyuubi workin in him..the tree walkin exercise was the basis of the move he uses to go super fast and he worked on it wit kakashi more b4 the chunnin exams and practically gained rock lee's speed but it wasn't really his own speed but a technique and wat made me think that is when tobi said it and also the fact that he tired from using that super speed...rock lee said he didnt have the stamina to keep that speed up but rock lee doesnt need that stamina or chakra to keep up with it...its his own speed and he doesnt use shunshin since its a jutsu...sasuke on the other hand is using a jutsu which requires lots of chakra depending on the distance and how much ur using it...read bout itachi's best friend who used it...they didnt say much bout the effects it had on him but did say he was so skilled at using it and thats how he got his nick name lol im thinking sasuke well prob get that nick also sasuke of the body flicker lmao jk but yea anyways.

u havent really thought bout one thing...sakura might know it and isnt using it since she knows what the effects are and what it takes to use it...she's prob not silled at it..same with naruto...but those that know how to use it effectively use it...yamato has also used it in the recent chapter to zip behind yamato...b4 hand u didnt know he could do that but u prob knew he was strong and above genin lv lol

Uhh, i never referred to it as an advanced technique. Kakashi taught them about the tree training is to improve their chakra control. Sorry but how can Sasuke learn a move by remembering it in a flashback before he had his sharingan? Sakura might know it, she might not. Don't you think if she does know it she would've used it against Sasori? Remember she couldn't really maneuver herself well enough through sasori's attack Chiyo was controlling her. This obviously shows the lack of her movement skills. Also like i said, if shunshin was as simple as storing mass amounts of chakra in one's legs and releasing it in an instant movement, the 5th would be lightning fast, hell Naruto without kyuubi would already be godly fast because he has the most natural stamina(chakra) out of basically everyone in konoha. Chakra does increase your speed, but its a plot no jutsu, no one knows how chakra works except kishi. I'm guessing how well you regular your chakra determines how fast/strong you are. Look at lee, he can't control chakra but we know he can regulate it throughout his entire body fairly well.

xi0
June 10, 2007, 12:29 AM
do u even know the definition of taijutsu?
Taijutsu techniques, in short, are techniques that involve hand-to-hand combat and skill through the body. Taijutsu techniques do not require hand seals, and generally, no skill with Ninjutsu. Instead of training their spirit and mind, Taijutsu training consists of difficult physical excercises and muscle-building. These techniques sometimes coincide with chakra use, but they can also be as simple as a punch. any techniques involving the martial arts or the optimization of natural human abilities in general...

even though stuff are stated in the narutoverse as jutsus some actually arent and thats what im arguin bout im talkin bout..if u go with watever and say everything is a jutsu then u would say what kakashi used on naruto "Thousand Years of Death" is an actual jutsu but it isnt....there's a slight translation prob here jutsus can be techniques only so thats an area where taijutsu lies..its not a jutsu like ninjutsus or genjutsus or kenjutsu...which are not only techniques but chakra mixture of the energy present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy gained from exercise and experience that is molded and used in battle..thats where rock lee fails since he only knows what u may call a jutsu (taijutsu--a technique/style)


dont even know how we got into the whole taijutsu not being a jutsu argument...i was talkin bout sasuke being skilled at using a d-ranked jutsu called body flicker and that naruto gets a boost in his speed when he goes kyuubi(not tails mode) and someone said its not sasuke's normal speed (when he flash steps)but a jutsu..and i agreed its body flicker
so i dunno how i got into the convo about taijutsus and stuff but i stop here about that taijutsu/jutsu discussion

Ummm, all you did was copy and paste your response to White Rabbit. The reality is that regardless of how different taijutsu may or may not be compared to ninjutsu and genjutsu, in the Naruto Universe it is still technique, therefore it is still jutsu.

You're trying to explain what the literal definition of taijutsu is in the real world, and you're probably correct in that sense, but trying to explain things in Naruto using real-world definitions is pointless. Using your logic, the term chakra is "incorrect" since in the real-world it is Sanskrit for "wheel". See how literal definitions don't exactly apply here?

bighawke5
June 10, 2007, 12:44 AM
Uhh, i never referred to it as an advanced technique. Kakashi taught them about the tree training is to improve their chakra control. Sorry but how can Sasuke learn a move by remembering it in a flashback before he had his sharingan? Sakura might know it, she might not. Don't you think if she does know it she would've used it against Sasori? Remember she couldn't really maneuver herself well enough through sasori's attack Chiyo was controlling her. This obviously shows the lack of her movement skills. Also like i said, if shunshin was as simple as storing mass amounts of chakra in one's legs and releasing it in an instant movement, the 5th would be lightning fast, hell Naruto without kyuubi would already be godly fast because he has the most natural stamina(chakra) out of basically everyone in konoha. Chakra does increase your speed, but its a plot no jutsu, no one knows how chakra works except kishi. I'm guessing how well you regular your chakra determines how fast/strong you are. Look at lee, he can't control chakra but we know he can regulate it throughout his entire body fairly well.

hmm someguyudontknow, i got nothin against ur post and u have gud points but have u read or seen the anime when sasuke was fightin Haku?? if u did u wouldnt ask me how can sasuke learn a move by remembering it in a flash back b4 he had his sharingan...sasuke didn't learn the shunshin no jutsu by remenbering it on a flashback he used elements from the tree walkin exercise which consist on using chakra in ur feet to get faster... if u dont think sasuke can remember stuff without the sharingan and u dont think the tree exercise was the reason for him getting faster and even faster later on in the anime than i think u might want to go back to the first chapters...i suggest chapter 24 pg5 to be precise on how sasuke got his speed and where the elements of this came from(tree walkin exercise that kakashi went through with them)

yes its all bout chakra control but also how much of it u got for that speed sasuke has...we were told by kakashi that both sasuke and naruto have lots of chakra but we all know naruto has more due to kyuubi sealed inside him.. the tree walkin exercise sakura mastered on her first try meanin she got the basis down and could even use that to boost her speed like sasuke did and couldve kept on improving that technique till she was faster but she didnt since she dont have the chakra to spend like naruto or sasuke..

read this http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume3.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30550

thats how it went down and all from the stuff he and naruto and sakura all learnt but he used it to his advantage...no wonder he's considered a genius since he knows the real meanin of things thought to him..he knew he could use elements from that tree walkin exercise to boost his speed since all it requires is being able to gather chakra to ur feet and use it a certain way...but on the other hand we didnt see naruto do that(we all know he's wasnt that bright) he never understood wat other benefits that exercise could give him...maybe sakura figured out but she didnt bother using it cince she dont have the chakra to keep it up.....so u understand that she knows the tree walkin exercise but she dont have lots of chakra like the two even thought she controls hers pretty fuckin well..

an ur right she can't move like sasuke does cuz remember again he's using that technique he learned how many years ago and that he perfected since then but she hasent cuz all she and naruto used that technique for was walkin on water at best!! they didn't try to find out wat they could do diff wit it like sasuke did in....http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume3.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30550

so yea she may know the exercise and since she's smarter than naruto maybe the speed increase technique derived from it but doesnt use it and even if she did it wouldnt have helped her much since she wouldve been down like sasuke was against gaara after using it a couple of time (reminder sasuke trained a lot with that technique with his taijutsu and all so now he may have improved the amount of time he can use that speed techniqueplus his chakra most have increased so..yea) but sakura never practiced it so its no use using it in a fight against that type of enemy when she knew how long the fight would be dragged on and wouldnt have the chakra to keep up using that speedy jutsu(no even sure she knows it but then again she took the tree walkin exercise like both sasuke and naruto and passed with flyin colors so..)

truth that the 5th would be fast as hell but then again i come back to my point on the other meanin of the tree walkin exercise, if she never got what other stuff it could do for her she wouldnt be as fast as sasuke got...
not all ninjas above genin lv can do it but they know it..maybe cuz they dont have enough chakra to use it many times or dont have enough experience with it or just arent as tactcal as sasuke is with it..
shunshin was explained...here.:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ninjutsu_in_Naruto_%28A-G%29#Body_Flicker_Technique
so yea does it sound familiar to the thing sasuke did here http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume3.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30550
yes it has to do with chakra buildin to boost one's reflexes and allowin them to move short distances at ALMOST untraceable speed......the amount of chakra required depends on the overall distance between the user and their intended destination............looks like we know y sasuke was tired from using it a few times against gaara

yea ur right i also think its a plot no jutsu lol always wanted to use that in a sentence...
but yea rock lee has no chakra problems and thats y he can walk on water....that does require ninjutsu to do so or chakra molding and hand seals, plus he knows how to regulate it well enough to open the gates...showing how he does have chakra and can control its flow also..

ANBU4U
June 10, 2007, 01:25 AM
Throughout the series, Sasuke was never a true supporter of teamwork. This defeat will teach Sasuke a valuable lesson, without true representation of teamwork you can’t achieve your goals. :eyeroll

That’s one of the storyline objectives, teamwork. :)

Won't happen this fight.

Ripht
June 10, 2007, 02:18 AM
just read the chapter and looks like tobi doesn't have a body maybe only a head or half a head??? which would support him being obito in a way. Sasuke might be using that techinque that got the 4th his nickname (yellow flash) cos sasuke is fast. I think tobi and co are in for a world of pain when fighting sasuke cos he hasn't even started using jutsu's yet just his sword and some movement jutsu's. maybe he will summon the gaint snake.

I'm betting on sasuke and naruto vs itachi. where sasuke will begin fighting itachi but itachi is too strong and is about to kill sasuke when naruto comes in and starts kicking his ass.

bighawke5
June 10, 2007, 02:35 AM
just read the chapter and looks like tobi doesn't have a body maybe only a head or half a head??? which would support him being obito in a way. Sasuke might be using that techinque that got the 4th his nickname (yellow flash) cos sasuke is fast. I think tobi and co are in for a world of pain when fighting sasuke cos he hasn't even started using jutsu's yet just his sword and some movement jutsu's. maybe he will summon the gaint snake.

I'm betting on sasuke and naruto vs itachi. where sasuke will begin fighting itachi but itachi is too strong and is about to kill sasuke when naruto comes in and starts kicking his ass.

there's shunshin no jutsu and hirashin no jutsu, the 4th's jutsu wasn't shunshin which is wat sasuke is using now...the 4th used hirashin witch is faster than shushin no jutsu, dont mixed them up and no way sasuke is defeated by itachi and naruto kicks itachi's ass...maybe somethin like sasuke does somethin to weaken itachi and naruto uses it to his advantage and kills itachi cuz if sasuke can't defeat itachi with everything he's got i dont think naruto can simple as that unless its plot no jutsu lol