Mobile Suit Gundam 00

[miyavisoap]

I was so depressed because of Saji and Louise's twisted future. I wonder how they will react when they see each other somehow. :scry

I was actually watching the OP and saw the Seravee, too. But, idk.... It's still a mysteryyyy :xp

[redcometfm]

That episode borrowed ALOT from Zeta. But whatever. Was better than I expected but I dont know if they can redeem the garbage first season.

[Bones]

Any raw streaming link yet ???

I know the raw torrents is out and plenty of them. I can't wait for this episode.

[miyavisoap]

oh shit, that was the most amazing thing i have ever seen in my life!

double-o is the most amazin gundam ever. its beautiful blue light coming out of both GN drives... and setsuna is just an amazing maister. he can do anything!!! kyaaaaa :love

and fuck off, Ribbons!:p

and also... i cant wait for the next episode! finally Allelujahs gonna come back!!! well, it looks like they are going to take him back, but whatever!

but i feel so bad for Feldt and Tieria. both of them are shocked and confused and everything cuz of the person-who-looks-like-Lockon-but-is-not. even if he is lockon's brother, he still is a different person...

[Bones]

oh shit, that was the most amazing thing i have ever seen in my life!

double-o is the most amazin gundam ever. its beautiful blue light coming out of both GN drives... and setsuna is just an amazing maister. he can do anything!!! kyaaaaa :love

and fuck off, Ribbons!:p

and also... i cant wait for the next episode! finally Allelujahs gonna come back!!! well, it looks like they are going to take him back, but whatever!

but i feel so bad for Feldt and Tieria. both of them are shocked and confused and everything cuz of the person-who-looks-like-Lockon-but-is-not. even if he is lockon's brother, he still is a different person...

Streaming raw link please....lol. I just can't wait...lol If it was any other anime I can but not Gudam 00

[miyavisoap]

yeah im uploading right now but it's gonna take awhile =[

[bax]

You know, there's a limit on how twins should look alike :XD

But yes :3 Looks like 00 Gundam is going to be awesome. I wonder if the energy output corresponding with the amount of GN Drvies a Gundam has...

And I'm still skeptical about that large head behind Seravee's back >.> You don't think they'll go power rangers or transformers now, do you? :XD

[allendsup23]

Streaming raw link please....lol. I just can't wait...lol If it was any other anime I can but not Gudam 00

Episode 2 Raw 1st part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGh-NG8Zq8

Episode 2 Raw 2nd Part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2J9IS01re8

Episode 2 Raw 3rd Part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15CtEFUSJ7A

Quality is not tat good but still you can watch. :D

[Bones]

I can't wit for halleujah to be introduce again...he's awesome.


yeah im uploading right now but it's gonna take awhile =[

Thanks as long as it upladed to veoh or megavideo I am pleased.

@ allendsup23

Thanks bro

[miyavisoap]

Megaupload (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=COB32444)

[ibra87]

[gSS]​_Gundam​_00​_S2​_-​_02​_[35872473].mkv (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BgSS%5D_Gundam_00_S2_-_02_%5B35872473%5D.mkv.torrent) Out by gSS, though I'm not 100% sure if it's real or not. Seems real alright, finally :D

[miyavisoap]

You know, there's a limit on how twins should look alike :XD

But yes :3 Looks like 00 Gundam is going to be awesome. I wonder if the energy output corresponding with the amount of GN Drvies a Gundam has...

And I'm still skeptical about that large head behind Seravee's back >.> You don't think they'll go power rangers or transformers now, do you? :XD

HELL YEAH, POWER RANGERS!!!!!
just kiddingg. i dont think they will do anything special besides being able to attack from the back maybe??? idk. it really is a mysteryy. but im okay with that as long as tieria kun is in it :love

[bax]

Nah, it's too awkward for just being able to attack from the back with that head xD

Rotatable guns would be sufficient. Not that Tieria actually has to "see" his back to know where his opponent is, since I'm pretty sure the sensor system is advanced enough for that. As for the GN particle dispersion.... it could do with a simple fan-like system... No need a head there >.>;;

[Koen]

The 00 gundam is freaking awesome and it seems setsuna took the same gamble as erde wanted to use: the trans AM system...

I really loved livonze's serious face. The guy is at level 7? He's really dangerous. I also liked the convo between Mei and her servant. I don't know but I kinda predicted livonze's smile behind the back of alejandro was the smile of traitor and this time, I have this similar feeling. I wouldn't surprised if mei's servant would turn his back on her. He's a servant but he didn't feel well when Mei was talking about war to reach that goal...

I also agree with Erde if he was talking about lyle deilandie at the end. He can call himself lockon stratos but as a viewer I can't see the lockon we used to know. Then again, he deserves a chance but it feels kinda twisted

Looking forward to next episode: let's get allelujah back (or was it hallelujah? I completely forgot)

[miyavisoap]

i dont like how Mei thinks about the world. she's so retarded. doesnt she realize that not all fights lead to changes??? i hate livonze. such a bitch. i was so amused when i saw him getting all confused watching our beautiful 00 gundam fighting. :p

i miss lockon! this guy aint lockon! he's just..... another gundam maister, but certainly not lockon. and i wonder what feldt is thinking...

ALLELUJAH'S COMING BACK!!! i cant wait for the next episode!!!

[Quetz]

Bones hit up gundam00fan.com, it has links to all of the goodies.

Another amazing episode as has already been said. The 00 gundam has to have more going for it other than being a souped-up exia, though....

Can't freaking wait to see more of allelujah, ever since his last fight in s1 I've been itching to see more of him.

[allendsup23]

Does anyone know which are the better subs for Gundam 00?
1. gg-BSS
2. conclave-mendoi
3.Nyoro-n-subs
4.- Shinsen Subs

I could find these 4 subs for the Gundam 00 but do not know which one is the best among them. May be you can throw some light on them.

gg-BSS seems to be the sub which come out first but it has big fonts which I kinda feel hard to read.

[Bones]

Does anyone know which are the better subs for Gundam 00?
1. gg-BSS
2. conclave-mendoi
3.Nyoro-n-subs
4.- Shinsen Subs

I could find these 4 subs for the Gundam 00 but do not know which one is the best among them. May be you can throw some light on them.

gg-BSS seems to be the sub which come out first but it has big fonts which I kinda feel hard to read.

Actually all 4 is good. They both deliver good translation and quality.

I prefer to watch Shinsens-subs or Nyoro subs.

Most people prefer Mendoi.

But Shinsen and Mendoi take a while to release. So it comes down to Nyoro and GG-BSS since they release fast and I prefer Nyoro.

[allendsup23]

Actually all 4 is good. They both deliver good translation and quality.

I prefer to watch Shinsens-subs or Nyoro subs.

Most people prefer Mendoi.

But Shinsen and Mendoi take a while to release. So it comes down to Nyoro and GG-BSS since they release fast and I prefer Nyoro.

Thanks Bones. I just watched AVI file of Mendoi. Their translation and font looked good. But quality was reduced a bit. I am downloading MKV file for Mendoi. Lets see how it is.

I will watch Nyoro subs. It will be good as they come out faster then Mendoi. :D

[Bones]

Make sure the MKV file was done in HD.....It better to experience in HD.

[allendsup23]

Make sure the MKV file was done in HD.....It better to experience in HD.

How do we find out that? Seems the file I downloaded is done in 1280-720 H.264 format

[bax]

I personally prefer Conclave-Mendoi. Theirs are really clean, good font (pretty but nothing intrusive at all) and the quality is really high.

@ allendsup23

Yes, that's the one. If you see it's 1280x720 in H.264, that's the HD. In short, it's like this:

1280x720 H.264----->High Definition (HD) file type: mkv704x400 H.264----->Standard Definition (SD) file type: mkv704x400 XviD----->Standard Definition (SD) file type: avi

[TechnoMagus]

Make sure the MKV file was done in HD.....It better to experience in HD.

with a kick-ass pc not older than 3 years....:darn

and h264 is extra taxing with the cpu....if your hardware is not up to specs, get the SD version, XVID or streaming.....:s

[Quetz]

Sort of interesting, while wikipedia'ing this series to see if there had been any spoilers yet (similar to what happened with code geass a couple of times), I came across the names of the new gundams that lockon v2 and somebody else would pilot (I dont' say allelujah specifically because it didn't explicitly state that he was the pilot, whereas it was stated that lockon stratos is the pilot of the new version of dynames).

I don't have a lot of time right now, so I'll post a link in a bit.

[D3M1URG3]

Setsuna F Seiei (刹那・F・セイエイ Setsuna Efu Seiei?)

He is the primary protagonist of the show and was discovered by Celestial Being at the age of 14 for having special potential as a pilot. He is currently a Gundam Meister for their organization, piloting the Gundam Exia, and later the 00 Gundam. Setsuna's real name is Soran Ibrahim; Setsuna being his Gundam Meister codename. He was a child soldier in the war-torn Kurdish Republic.[15]

He murdered his own parents under Ali Al-Saachez's influence in order to prove his devotion to God,[16] and hence bears a deep hatred towards Saachez. Due to his previous religious brainwashing (and awakening from it), Setsuna no longer believes that God exists within the world. Setsuna believes that war can only be stopped through direct confrontation, and therefore has little tolerance for diplomats and politicians, believing that their "peace talks" only lengthen the conflict and cause more casualties.

Disappeared since the end of the first season, Setsuna reappears four years later and rejoins Celestial Being, piloting the GN-0000 00 Gundam.

Lockon Stratos (ロックオン・ストラトス Rokkuon Sutoratosu?)

Lockon decided to join Celestial Being after losing his parents and little sister to terrorists in Ireland; because of this, he loathes terrorists. As the eldest pilot, he is considered the team leader of the Gundam Meisters, and sports a more easygoing, flamboyant personality as compared to the other Gundam Meisters. He owns an orange Haro to control Gundam Dynames when sniping and just like Setsuna, he has a personal feud with Ali Al-Saachez, who was directly involved in the terrorist bombing that caused the death of his family.[17]

Lockon, who died at the end of the first season, is replaced by his younger twin brother who assumed the same codename and became the pilot of the GN-006 Cherudim Gundam.

Allelujah Haptism (アレルヤ・ハプティズム Areruya Haputizumu?)

Allelujah spent his childhood as an orphan in the Human Reform League as a Super Soldier experimental subject. While generally gentle and rational compared to the other Gundam Meisters, he has another harsher, unstable, and outright sadistic alter ego, named Hallelujah inside him, which was the result of the Super Soldier experiments. For this reason, Allelujah/Hallelujah appears to harbor a grudge against the Human Reform League. [18] He is the pilot of GN-003 Gundam Kyrios.

Allelujah is imprisoned during the four year timeskip between both seasons, but eventually rejoins Celestial Being piloting the GN-007 Arios Gundam.

Tieria Erde (ティエリア・アーデ Tieria Āde?)

An enigmatic character, his history, nationality and origins all a mystery. Within his gentle tone, he can give a sense of cold intentions. He values the mission above all other issues, including life, and does not show any 'concern' for his teammates. As the Gundam Meister of GN-005 Gundam Virtue, Tieria seems extremely loyal to Veda, and will go to any length to ensure the secrecy of Celestial Being's technology and operations, even if he has to kill other Gundam Meisters himself to achieve this end. Compared to the rest of the Gundam Meisters, Tieria is the most enigmatic, with none of his past explained. Throughout the first season he gives hints that he might actually be a robot which explains why he still looks the same after four years. The only ones that might have noticed or knew was Feldt and the original Lockon Stratos. [19]

Contrary of the other meisters who were either K.I.A. or M.I.A. in the end of the first season, Tieria continued to work for Celestial Being during the 4 year timeskip and became the pilot of the GN-008 Seravee Gundam.

This Is the Wikipedia entry regarding the Meisters, and their roles in Season 2.

[ksfst]

HorribleRaw (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=36651) is out



Don't see this spoiler
Haaa, Lyle (new lockon) kissed feldt (sp) in the preview O.O
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR DIEE!! I already hate you mofo :( Ok, i will wait till the episode 4 airs ;~~ (hate you new lockon, hope your brother scares you while sleeping lol grrrrr)
>> the kiss (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa299/spec_operations/1224404972194.jpg)

I told you xD


OMG Soma is so hawt and she forgot her real name! Marina + Setsuna = win! YAY, nice episode! Can't wait the next episode!

[Bones]

Raw - Episode 03
Better Quality: Veoh (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16284103fHp8RNPQ?rank=1&jsonParams={%22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22gundam+00+second+season+episode+03%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22veohOnly%22%3Atrue%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%22619487796692673550%22}&searchId=619487796692673550&rank=2)
Ok Quality: Veoh (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16284240G35pYa2D?rank=5&jsonParams={%22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22gundam+00+second+season+episode+03%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22veohOnly%22%3Atrue%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%22619487796692673550%22}&searchId=619487796692673550&rank=6)

[allendsup23]

watched the raw. Music is uber awesome in season 2.Waiting for subs to come out.
Animation is always too good in the gundam series.

[miyavisoap]

i watched it with the korean sub.it's kinda funny how he grew so much but his cute voice still remains the samee. not that i dislike it lol. the episodes are getting better and better as they go!!! kyaa- im already craving for the next episode!!!

[vintagemistakes]

[gSS]​_Gundam​_00​_S2​_-​_03​_[7B0172B9].mkv (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BgSS%5D_Gundam_00_S2_-_03_%5B7B0172B9%5D.mkv.torrent)
[Nyoro~n Subs] Mobile Suit Gundam 00 S2 - 03 (1280×720 MP3 x264) [ED5B1BCD].mkv (http://www.nyoronfansubs.org/tracker/torrents/%5BNyoro%7En%20Subs%5D%20Mobile%20Suit%20Gundam%2000%20S2%20-%2003%20%281280x720%20MP3%20x264%29%20%5BED5B1BCD%5D.mkv.torrent)

[ibra87]

Has anyone tired Noyoron? I've always downloaded gSS and they're pretty good, but any idea which is better?

[Quetz]

I consistently download Nyoron 'subs', with the word 'subbed' in the file name, and they have consistently been just a raw. Frustrating, to say the least.

I have this problem with a lot of these links. I think I'm missing something here....

[allendsup23]

I consistently download Nyoron 'subs', with the word 'subbed' in the file name, and they have consistently been just a raw. Frustrating, to say the least.

I have this problem with a lot of these links. I think I'm missing something here....

When I download these files and play in VLC player, subtitles are not shown by default. I have to start them by right clicking in the player window and selecting the subtitle track. Could this be the issue with you also? Not sure but just wanted to share.

[miyavisoap]

hehe, the preview...... feldt and lockon... *faint*

[D3M1URG3]

When I download these files and play in VLC player, subtitles are not shown by default. I have to start them by right clicking in the player window and selecting the subtitle track. Could this be the issue with you also? Not sure but just wanted to share.

I had this problem with VLC frequently until I recently updated to the latest version of the player, since then every time I load it up it automatically enables the subtitles track. Hopefully that will help you.

[allendsup23]

I had this problem with VLC frequently until I recently updated to the latest version of the player, since then every time I load it up it automatically enables the subtitles track. Hopefully that will help you.

installed the latest version. Now subtitles are coming by defaults.Thanks

[Quetz]

When I download these files and play in VLC player, subtitles are not shown by default. I have to start them by right clicking in the player window and selecting the subtitle track. Could this be the issue with you also? Not sure but just wanted to share.

That was exactly what was wrong, thank you very much.

Pretty sick episode again, especially excited to see what arios and cherudim can do that sets them apart from kyrios and dynames. Seravee as well seems to just fire bigger beams more rapidly, and 00 just seems like a souped up exia, not really bringing anything interesting or new to the table other than the forward repulsion shield shown right after it launched in episode 2. Can't wait to see what they can all do, and what lockon(v2)'s deal is...

[D3M1URG3]

This Season continues to impress me, after watching Episode 3. This new dynamic for the Meisters Is very interesting, as well as seeing how this Lockon situation is going to play out -- since obviously he's playing CB to help Catalan.

[miyavisoap]

i miss our original lockon-san!!! he was no spy, like this freaking brother person. ugh, he kidna annoys me like hell.

[Kazi]

i miss our original lockon-san!!! he was no spy, like this freaking brother person. ugh, he kidna annoys me like hell.

i think so too, i have a bad feeling about him =/
maybe he will betray CB in the future

[Quetz]

i think so too, i have a bad feeling about him =/
maybe he will betray CB in the future

He'll either have to betray CB or cataran, and I doubt he considers himself part of CB enough to try betraying cataran.

I'm also almost positive he's some sort of expert pilot with skills rivalling or surpassing the previous lockon, just due to his nature and associations. The fact that his 'stats were high', even when he was probably trying to make them look horrible means that he's definitely hiding something.

[bax]

It's pretty stupid for CB if they don't expect things like this going to happen. I'm pretty sure they expected this to some degree, but as long it doesn't jeopardize CB, they won't do much. Plus, it's already said they work on the same principles, so maybe the CB can tolerate it. They didn't explicitly using the CB's name, unlike the terrorist group in S1. Also, in the OP, Marina is shown standing with them, and now that Marina is with CB, I guess it's safe to say CB knows (or at least later in the story) about them.

See it like this, whoever selected Lyle to be in CB, most probably ran a background check on him, and given it's CB who did it, they probably know a lot. The remaining question is, how did the selection went. It's probably Liu Mei's doing, since I doubt Setsuna decided that alone (not that he knows Neil has a twin brother, probably).

Now Liu Mei.. She always have hidden agendas >.>

The one and only funny point for me so far is that Katagiri didn't recognize Setsuna >.>;; Although 4 years have passed, Setsuna looks the same (although more matured) as he was 4 years ago (when Katagiri and Graham met him) >.>;

[predsfan]

So far, so awesome for season 2. Lot of interesting things going on. Not to mention the Gundam designs, though not drastically different, are still super awesome. I'm assuming towards the end of the series Setsuna will reach 100% stability (or whatever it's called) with 00 and that will equal instant pwnage.

It's been a while since I watched season 1, but when did Tieria's personality change so drastically? I honestly don't remember that happening in season 1 (maybe I should re-watch). He used to be so serious and now he's is like the caring member of the team. Was it Lock On's death that caused it?

Anyways, I really like Lock On v.2. Not only does he provide some comic relief (which seems to be few and far between), but I'm interested to see what his motives are. I'm assuming they're not bad considering the Cataran don't seem to be bad guys.

Oh, and am I the only one who sees some similarities b/w Marina x Setsuna and Releena x Hiro (Gundam Wing)? Especially, the way they are always saying each others names. Who knows, maybe Marina's real last name is Peacecraft :p.

[bax]

I think Tieria changed slowly ever since the Thrones came into the story, around that time. In which that time he understand his colleagues better. He changes a lot, true. When it was revealed Setsuna was in the organization that destroyed Lockon's home in the past, you can see how Tieria's react (if it's the old him, he would still be asking why Setsuna is a Meister >.>). But yeah, I guess the most impact came from Lockon's death .___.

The old Tieria won't ever say "How about using the remaining 2 minutes to save someone else" >.>;; Kinda miss him being an ass though >.>

[miyavisoap]

"How about using the remaining 2 minutes to save someone else"

that was my fav line everr. i could feel that tieria cares about setsunaa <33

[bax]

I see it is not posted here yet, so....

00 Gundam 7 Sword variation


credits to winterheim

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5092/00gundamsevenswordswk8.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1283/00gundamsevenswords2kg5.jpg



Anyone wants to tell me it's not awesome? :3

[vintagemistakes]

I see it is not posted here yet, so....

00 Gundam 7 Sword variation


credits to winterheim

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5092/00gundamsevenswordswk8.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1283/00gundamsevenswords2kg5.jpg



Anyone wants to tell me it's not awesome? :3
haha... I don't even know what to say to that. basically, I'm left in awe of OO's awsomeness...
[hr]
About Tieria...

I don't think he's done changing just yet. There's that scene/pic (http://i37.tinypic.com/2i0g4xy.jpg) during the ending that stands out. Since his past is still unknown and he appears to be linked with Ribbons and co, I wouldn't be surprised if he temporarily betrays CB at some point.http://mangahelpers.com/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i37.tinypic.com/2i0g4xy.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

[hatsuharupeace]

I see it is not posted here yet, so....

00 Gundam 7 Sword variation

Anyone wants to tell me it's not awesome? :3

....That is.... Beyond any kind of word that could be used to describe it.

Though... Is it just a concept design, or it is actually going to be used in the animation series?


About Tieria...

I don't think he's done changing just yet. There's that scene/pic (http://i37.tinypic.com/2i0g4xy.jpg) during the ending that stands out. Since his past is still unknown and he appears to be linked with Ribbons and co, I wouldn't be surprised if he temporarily betrays CB at some point.http://mangahelpers.com/forums/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i37.tinypic.com/2i0g4xy.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

Yeah, I believe that Tieria does have some form of connection with Ribbons and his group, though I highly suspect it's more on an artificial basis, as I think that Tieria, Ribbons and co were all artifically created, hence the ability to link up with the 'Veda' system.

I doubt that Tieria would mutiny against Celestial Being though; over the past few episodes, it's been highly suggested that he has become attached to the people within the group, and knowing Tieria and his personality, the only way he would become the enemy is by some unforseen events occuring where he is forced to switch sides, or that, though this is a prediction, Ribbon uses the 'Veda' system to change his mind to switch sides, which I highly doubt.

[Bones]

Gundam 00 S2 - 04 (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16360784ZgM9yJPz)

[laughing@you]

The raw is out!!!!

Here's the torrent links:

Gundam 00 S2 - 04 RAW (http://www.mininova.org/get/1947660) (704X396) Divx avi

Gundam 00 S2 - 04 RAW (http://www.mininova.org/get/1947659)(1280x720) Divx avi

by (Anime)

Enjoy!!!

[miyavisoap]

oh godd, trans-arm is so sexyy. and i officially despise the new lockon for disgracing our REAL lockon-san. how can he do that to feldt??? i mean, i get that he did for a reason and he wasnt being all selfish, but still! think of how feldt wouldve felt!!! i was pissed at himm.

and marina is screwing up my tieriaxsetsuna love-love-mode!!! ahhh- *goes crazy and runs away*

[Bones]

Subs is out

[gSS]​_Gundam​_00​_S2​_-​_04​_[713DDE9A].mkv (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BgSS%5D_Gundam_00_S2_-_04_%5B713DDE9A%5D.mkv.torrent)

[vintagemistakes]

Overall it was a good episode.

I enjoyed learning about Allelujah's past, was immensely pleased with Haro's remarks, Ian and Saji's talk was informative, wasn't exactly thrilled that Setsuna had doubts about fighting because of Marina(but I understand that it was bound to happen at some point), and seeing Miss Sumeragi in a small, tight fitting uniform is always a plus.... so overall it had a lot of good informative parts to it.

The only negative thing I would have to say(outside of the fact that I can't stand Billy and hope he dies a miserable death) about the ep. is that the aerial battle seemed rather short/rushed. I would have liked to have seen Setsuna and Graham Mr. Bushido duke it out a tad bit longer. But hey... you can't have everything, right?

Speaking of Mr. Bushido.. for those that might not get why he calls himself Mr. Bushido and think its kinda random of a name, here's a link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido) to what his moniker means. If you take special notice of the picture on the page and compare it to him and his custom Mobile Suit, you can ever so subtly see what the creators are trying to get at... :notrust

[allendsup23]

The guy who faught Setsuna ...Do somebody know who he is? He could either be Ali Al Sarges or Graham Acre?

Nice episode. Gundam 00 is awesome. We have yet to see what these new suits can do.

[Alexis]

The guy who faught Setsuna ...Do somebody know who he is? He could either be Ali Al Sarges or Graham Acre?
That was Graham. His music was playing too. ^^

[laughing@you]

I'm actually a little disapointed, on the pilots performance.

I mean they are getting so much trouble from a bunch of nobodies.

Setsuna should be able to take anything that is thrown at him. I mean he doesn't have only one GN-drive but two. The performance on that thing should be off the charts.

Alleluyah is useless......this second season just confirmed our fears that the true ace pilot was his second personality. His just average.

I wonder if their performance is also hindered because they don't have a link to veda anymore?....I remember them saying something about it in the 1st season.

Also they are no longer celestial being. They have no real purpose. No real course of action.

Right now they look more as a simple terrorist group being hunted by the military. I miss the good o'l days where their superiority was almost absolute. I wonder if they will ever get VEDA back?

Sorry had to get that out my chest!!

[Quetz]

I'm actually a little disapointed, on the pilots performance.

I mean they are getting so much trouble from a bunch of nobodies.

Setsuna should be able to take anything that is thrown at him. I mean he doesn't have only one GN-drive but two. The performance on that thing should be off the charts.

Alleluyah is useless......this second season just confirmed our fears that the true ace pilot was his second personality. His just average.

I wonder if their performance is also hindered because they don't have a link to veda anymore?....I remember them saying something about it in the 1st season.

Also they are no longer celestial being. They have no real purpose. No real course of action.

Right now they look more as a simple terrorist group being hunted by the military. I miss the good o'l days where their superiority was almost absolute. I wonder if they will ever get VEDA back?

Sorry had to get that out my chest!!

I don't think halellujah actually died. If you think about it, the physical body of allelujah was what was modified, and so unless the specific part of his brain that was responsible for creating halellujah was damaged (Unlikely. Not that that part was damaged, more that ONLY that part was damaged, and alellujah seems to be functioning well enough, in a non-piloting sense).

And I wouldn't say that they were getting troubles from a bunch of nobodies. Their opponents were the trilobyte, which they straight up owned once the gundams got out, Bushido who setsuna was fighting equally with, and a super soldier that was capable of standing toe-to-toe with halellujah back in the day.

Don't forget, Arios had just used and run out of trans-am juice too, so his suits performance was also lower, too.

Bushido's suit has me interested, though. When i watched through the raw I thought for sure that it was the federation's answer to 00 gundam, with some sort of pseudo-syrnchonized solar furnaces (I assumed that the pseudo furnaces would be easier to synch but wouldn't have as great an effect), but they just glossed right over that particular detail, which was sort of disappointing to me.

[laughing@you]

I don't think halellujah actually died. If you think about it, the physical body of allelujah was what was modified, and so unless the specific part of his brain that was responsible for creating halellujah was damaged (Unlikely. Not that that part was damaged, more that ONLY that part was damaged, and alellujah seems to be functioning well enough, in a non-piloting sense).

And I wouldn't say that they were getting troubles from a bunch of nobodies. Their opponents were the trilobyte, which they straight up owned once the gundams got out, Bushido who setsuna was fighting equally with, and a super soldier that was capable of standing toe-to-toe with halellujah back in the day.

Don't forget, Arios had just used and run out of trans-am juice too, so his suits performance was also lower, too.

Bushido's suit has me interested, though. When i watched through the raw I thought for sure that it was the federation's answer to 00 gundam, with some sort of pseudo-syrnchonized solar furnaces (I assumed that the pseudo furnaces would be easier to synch but wouldn't have as great an effect), but they just glossed right over that particular detail, which was sort of disappointing to me.

You may have a point but still, before they use to take on full armies including their aces, in this episode they needed backup to actually escape 1 vessel and 3 suits.

Yes!!! Escape!!! they didn't actually defeat them. The use of trans-am doesn't diminish the suit unless they use trans-am for long periods of time. Alleluyah just used it to get out of the water. I think tieria used it more than alleluyah, cuz he was pushing that thing back.

I don't like that they are portraying the other suits in par with the gundam.

I mean they introduce 00 gundam, the only suit with twin drives and its already having trouble with older models? what gives?

Although setsuna wasn't actually serious about fighting bushido, he didn't even use trans-am mode. In which case it would have been over!!!

[Quetz]

I think that it was stated that once trans-am is activated, it goes on and on until all the surplus GN particles in the furnaces are drained, at which point the furnace goes into something like a recovery mode until its able to resupply it's stock of extra particles. That would mean that Arios was out of particles because the trans-am wore out, which would mean his suit wasn't at 100%.

Of course, it's possible that the T-A simply has an off switch, in which case Allelujah just sucks. I'm sure the other meister's won't fail to notice this, which would give tieria the opportunity to say his classic line "you aren't fit to be a gundam meister". Haven't heard that one in a while.

I think they went for the strategic retreat because there were likely more suits in the ships that were equipped with pseudo-solar furnaces, which would mean that the gundams (two of which were underwater, one of the two (seravee) at lowered capabilities due to T-A usage, making it even slower than it usually is, and another piloted by an "amateur") would be ill-prepared to get in any sort of extended conflict, Kataron reinforcements or no.

They used to mow down legions of mobile suits because they had such a giant tech gap. If you recall in the allelujah mission, the non-pseudo-solar furnaces were just plowed right through on the way to the objective, with only the more advanced models posing any real sort of threat.

What I'm interested in is why the gundams are still so superior to the rest of the world (00 gundam excluded obviously). Just because they're using real solar furnaces, does that really make that much of a difference? Trans-Am is nice and all, but it's really not THAT big a deal, is it? Especially when you consider that they're ALWAYS going to be outgunned (in terms of numbers), and T-A is only a tool to temporarily level the playing field.....

If the world bands together with a shit ton of pseudo-solar-furnace models, the gundams will have trouble, unless 00 gundam takes exia's anti-gundam capabilities to the next extreme.

[hatsuharupeace]

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[Koen]

I think this could be the season where our gundam meisters will have to deal with personal history issues that will relate to others. Season 1 was so focused on meisters and their ideals and the devided world but given the current flow and the ending song screencaps this might really be the trial were gundam meisters will have to deal with...

1. Allelujah and Marie (vs in season 1: H/Allelujah)
2. Lockon (Meister and brother of the lockon in season 1 yet being part of the resistance, kataron thus at the same time being part of CB. Couting in the avoidance of his bro in season 1 and the ed sequence were a gun is pointed out of blanket, I think he might be confrontated to choose his brother's path or his own path which his brother prolly didn't support since he placed them in the same category as terrorissm the cause of their parents' killing)
3. Erde (this is really interesting but given the ED sequence: with a broken mirror with livonze and his gang, I assume we might know more about erde and his robotic?, computer skills, are they all creations of schenberg that are part in his plan? How come erde isn't among them anymore? I really hope to get answers to this + he'll prolly be the next opponent when Ali comes back)
4. Setsuna (this has already been hinted in last episode. During his fight he had a moment were marina's word came back into his mind. Setsuna has always been the straightforward walking meister with his ideals being an absolute truth in him. It's obvious as season 1 ended: setsuna hasn't found his answer yet though he asked marina. I think setsuna will find an answer to his question - which was a nice conclusion of season1: why?)

Of course this will also be about bigger events, etc but I think these character depth situations might be the key elements to decide what's CB aiming for

[Ayle]

While I see where Marina is coming from I kinda dislike her attitude, hell everybody around her is fighting while she sitting idly tdoing basically what amounts to nothing.... What did she expect to accomplish by asking Setsuna to come with her?
It;s not the "death" of Allelujah that is limiting Hallellujah, it's the fact that he can't use his super soldier capacity anymore. Hell even before he was perfectly able to hold his own without siwtchin personnalities.

Now my question is how is CB planning to resolve the current situation? I mean in the first season the plan was clear: attack evry country that was considered war mongering, but now I'm not about how they are going to win.... Wait and see I guess...

[miyavisoap]

ugh, i just dont like marina.
1) she is messing up my smexy SetsunaxTieria
2) i hate her hair
3) she is distracting setsuna from fighting.

[allendsup23]

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[laughing@you]

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[Koen]

What an impressive episode. Not awesome, but impressive. This one of all 5 had the most touching feeling towards me. It was so hard to see how lockon was so angry (since his kataron was attacked) and what about azadistan. Total annihilation by ali... Graham and Ali are impressice characters. I don't like them at all but I have to admit their characterestics contrast CB and gundams so well.

This was really great

[Quetz]

I'm surprisingly interested in what's going to happen to Saji next. He can now obviously relate to Setsuna a bit more after having cause a small massacre, does that mean he might be interested in joining up with CB again in a few episodes? That would lead him to eventually run into Louis, which would be weird. I sort of hope Saji ends up piloting a GN Arms at some point, if not another mobile suit (not necessarily a gundam).

Bushido was fucking great in this episode ("I adamantly refuse", "I have no interest"), can't wait to see the eventual showdown between him and Setsuna. Speaking of Setsuna, how exactly is he going to not get wtfpwned by Sarshes, while he's in a transport craft with no gundam, and Sarshes knows he's there? Seems like a hell of a tight spot.

Livon's crew was interesting at the beginning as well. Their mobile suit's names seem to suggest that they work together (their names were "Bring", "Divine", and "Revival" IIRC), but I can't really see how they'll do it, hopefully something original, not just another repeat of the Throne's linking abilities, or something far worse like combining Voltron-style. Really interesting stuff.

[miyavisoap]

im pretty sure marina and saji will com back to CB.

and i cant stand lockon. i miss the original one. i mean, wtf, a spyy? that's so cheapp.

im loving soma more and more as the story goes. she is so humane and i felt so bad when she was all shocked by what happened to the catalon base.

[vintagemistakes]

^^ Soma does seem to be one of the more intriguing characters IMO. I'm curious to see if her two personalities are merging together or if her dominate soldier one is just becoming more compassionate on its own. Either way it should be interesting to see her struggle between being an "normal" person with being a manufactured weapon of war and how certain events may play into that e.g. finding out that Allelujah destroyed the research institute and a possible Sergei death(Sergei and Andrei are going to end up fighting).

by the way, anyone else get the feeling that in the end, A-Laws is going to separate from the Federation, and that CB will be stuck in the middle fighting both parties à la the Earth Federation, Zaft and Gundams in SEED?

[Ayle]

In the Soma case, as of now she only has one personnality, I can't wait for Allellujah to recover the use of his quantum wave... I kinda felt bad for Saji at the end tho... =/ But then I think that 'll knock him out of his selfish naive view of the world. He's an engineer so I don't think he'll become a pilot for CB but maybe I'll be the one to bring the synchro rate(lol that sound like NGE) of the 00 to 100%

[allendsup23]

Saji wont be Gundam pilot but most probably can be the driver for GN Arms. Gundam 00 is going great as of now.

I wonder what was the real goal of CB as it was pointed out a lot of time it is not War eradication. It will be interesting to know what prof Eilfman found.

[neobody]

I can't wait to watch the next Episode of Double 00, which is coming out tomorrow XD
Gonna be more Action-Packed Fighting and more unraveled mystery :D

[laughing@you]

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[miyavisoap]

omg!!! im loving soma more and more as the story goes!!! i was so touched when she was crying...

[laughing@you]

I don't know, I've always loved the gundam series, but this one its hitting a sour note with me. Right now there's no sense of directions. I'm actually wondering where the F@#@ are they going with this plot?!?!?

After all that happened during S1, i find kinda weird all this character development. And they are doing a poor job of making the public recognized or love this new characters. A lot of things are happening without reason nor purpose.

It kinda feels like gundam 00 should have ended in S1. This new storyline feels to...rushed, not well thought off.

I mean is episode 6 and Gundam 00 is already having trouble fighting a mobile suit, with pilot who setsuna had beaten many times over. And Gundam 00 is suposed to be the most powerful of all cuz it has two drives, so whats wrong here?

The new lockon is no where near as good as the previous one. People are not really liking his attitude. And also lacks the passion for the cause that previous one had.

The mechanic already labeled themselves as terrorist. In which i disagree, attacks on military bases and military actions are not terrorist acts but more of a declaration of war, or actually a war. Where military prepared personal face off against other military personal, they don't kill civilians in battle. (unless they are casualties, but again they would be casualties of war) A terrorist would do cheap attacks against civilians and its cities to achieve their goals. Our little band of heroes has only intervened against military personel.

Right now the whole story feels with no sense of directions. Our heroes are just fighting whatever battle they find ahead. Not really achieving anything. In season 1 they were fighting battles here and there, we didn't know what was going on, but we loved cuz the writters used as per VEDAS plan line in almost every episode to keep us wondering what where they trying to do. Or just keep us guessing who or what VEDA is?

Anyhow enough with my whinning, is not like i'm gonna stop watching it....lol!!

I miss alleluyah's killer personality. I wonder if alleluya will ever activate his quantum brainwaves without his other personality? I have a better question.....WTH are quantum brainwaves? They haven't said what it is...right?

[bax]

I don't think it is rushed though. If we look at Season 1, at episode 6, we already got a lot of things going. Setsuna-Graham, Taribia-Union intervention, the space colony accident, the introduction of Exia 7-sword, that mass intervention in ep6 and also the intro and fight of Ali. Quite a lot happened in just 6 episodes.

For a story that already has a background, actually Season 2 is going on well.

As for the difference of abilities, it's actually to be expected. Setsuna and co. practically stampeded over the others because the difference of machine abilities. But once the gap has been closed, just look what happened in the few last episodes of Season 1. They're beaten. A-Laws is a group of expert pilots (at least the high-ranked), it's acceptable to say that there are better pilots than the 4 Meisters.

Atm, the CB is prolly in the setting phase, on their goals and also settling their personal issues. Just to bring the characters together.

[laughing@you]

I don't think it is rushed though. If we look at Season 1, at episode 6, we already got a lot of things going. Setsuna-Graham, Taribia-Union intervention, the space colony accident, the introduction of Exia 7-sword, that mass intervention in ep6 and also the intro and fight of Ali. Quite a lot happened in just 6 episodes.

For a story that already has a background, actually Season 2 is going on well.

As for the difference of abilities, it's actually to be expected. Setsuna and co. practically stampeded over the others because the difference of machine abilities. But once the gap has been closed, just look what happened in the few last episodes of Season 1. They're beaten. A-Laws is a group of expert pilots (at least the high-ranked), it's acceptable to say that there are better pilots than the 4 Meisters.

Atm, the CB is prolly in the setting phase, on their goals and also settling their personal issues. Just to bring the characters together.

Umm....No..better yet....hell no!!!

They better pilots than our meisters??....Then why were they choosen?

I disagree, cuz they were the best, that was the reason why they were choosen.

Exia 7 sword?..in S2?..what sword are you talking about? That sword/rifle his using now. I don't know about you guys but i like exia's old swords.

Yes S1 had a lot of things going this one isn't. In season 1 they reaveled to much to fast. The magnificent plan they were following was crushed. VEDA the all knowing computer was hacked. So they were betrayed. Now setsuna has the most powerful gundam and it feels outmatched. The gundam that can destroy a gundam, but is getting cornered by a normal mobile suit? What gives?

Again they are trying to follow the same goal as before with no real plan. The awesome planning they displayed in S1 was probably one of the best thind in the series. I don't know if it cuz i watched Code geass and i'm kinda expecting the same type of intelligent scenarios, but i just feel that way!!!

[Jammin]

I don't think the meisters(man, i hate that choice of title) were chosen because of skills as much as motivation. They are all quite capable, but they haven't really shown much ability to win fights by the power of their skill. I'd love to see one of them develop in that way.

I've been trying really hard to get into this series, i really want it to replace Code Geass. Many previous gundam series became favorites of mine, but for some reason though I'm just not loving this one. Maybe after the plot takes off and we begin to find out the motivations of shadowy villains i will be able to like it more.:amuse

[bax]

Umm....No..better yet....hell no!!!

They better pilots than our meisters??....Then why were they choosen?

I disagree, cuz they were the best, that was the reason why they were choosen.


Nah, not everyone. But give it a thought. They obviously use an inferior machine compared to the CB's Gundams. But still, ever since they got themselves the fake solar furnace (end of season 1 until now), the dominance showed by the 4 Gundams waned rapidly. CB even lost their fights, a pilot, 3 crew members and the mothership.

If the enemy is using an inferior model of mobiel suits against the Gundam, and the Gundams lost, there are only 2 possibilities:
- The pilots are really good
- They have advantage in numbers

Also, CB almost lost when they were assaulting the joined military operation in Season 1 although they were saved by the Thrones. Wang Liu Mei also did commented on this somewhen in Season 1. Something along the line "The Gundam is the perfect embodiement of Aoelia's will (eradication of war), but why the Meisters are so limited" (right after the CB almost lose to the HRL operation, in which Kyrios was caught and Nadleeh was shown).

As for why they're choosen, there will be probably other criterias. If only elite skilled pilots are needed, Graham is no doubt the best pilot so far. Ali immediately piloted the stolen Zwei and almost won against Exia in his first fight in a Gundam. I believe the first criteria to be a CB is the desire to stop the wars (or whatever their real intentions are).

And also, I doubt Setsuna piloted a mobile suit in the past, or if he did, a crude one compared to Exia. Allelujah was in that super soldier place until who knows when.


Exia 7 sword?..in S2?..what sword are you talking about? That sword/rifle his using now. I don't know about you guys but i like exia's old swords.
Exia 7 sword in season 1 :) (See episode 6). Just meaning that the revelation of Exia having 7 swords in its arsenal.


Yes S1 had a lot of things going this one isn't. In season 1 they reaveled to much to fast. The magnificent plan they were following was crushed. VEDA the all knowing computer was hacked. So they were betrayed. Now setsuna has the most powerful gundam and it feels outmatched. The gundam that can destroy a gundam, but is getting cornered by a normal mobile suit? What gives?
I think the show is going on the "personal battle" path atm. But that exactly my point. He has a Gundam which has 4 times the output power of the old Exia, but still having a hard time. It shows that it's the pilot that is lacking, not the machine. Allelujah also commented this in Season 2 ep 4 against Marie.


Again they are trying to follow the same goal as before with no real plan. The awesome planning they displayed in S1 was probably one of the best thind in the series. I don't know if it cuz i watched Code geass and i'm kinda expecting the same type of intelligent scenarios, but i just feel that way!!!
It's true that happened. Currently they're doing it blindly compared to Season 1. Although yes, I agree on your point that, Veda was the reason the plans looked like some plans, instead of just going randomly. Season 2, their aim is A-Laws, but atm, there's no absolute plan in that, especially with Sumeragi is hardly on her usual level atm.

[laughing@you]

I don't think the meisters(man, i hate that choice of title) were chosen because of skills as much as motivation. They are all quite capable, but they haven't really shown much ability to win fights by the power of their skill. I'd love to see one of them develop in that way.

I've been trying really hard to get into this series, i really want it to replace Code Geass. Many previous gundam series became favorites of mine, but for some reason though I'm just not loving this one. Maybe after the plot takes off and we begin to find out the motivations of shadowy villains i will be able to like it more.:amuse

I understand you. Cuz Code geass always delivered the wow factor that this S2 of gundam 00 is lacking.


Nah, not everyone. But give it a thought. They obviously use an inferior machine compared to the CB's Gundams. But still, ever since they got themselves the fake solar furnace (end of season 1 until now), the dominance showed by the 4 Gundams waned rapidly. CB even lost their fights, a pilot, 3 crew members and the mothership.

If the enemy is using an inferior model of mobiel suits against the Gundam, and the Gundams lost, there are only 2 possibilities:
- The pilots are really good
- They have advantage in numbers

Also, CB almost lost when they were assaulting the joined military operation in Season 1 although they were saved by the Thrones. Wang Liu Mei also did commented on this somewhen in Season 1. Something along the line "The Gundam is the perfect embodiement of Aoelia's will (eradication of war), but why the Meisters are so limited" (right after the CB almost lose to the HRL operation, in which Kyrios was caught and Nadleeh was shown).

As for why they're choosen, there will be probably other criterias. If only elite skilled pilots are needed, Graham is no doubt the best pilot so far. Ali immediately piloted the stolen Zwei and almost won against Exia in his first fight in a Gundam. I believe the first criteria to be a CB is the desire to stop the wars (or whatever their real intentions are).


They are called Gundam Meisters. In other words "maestro" "teachers". They were choosen cuz their skill should be above normal.

Thats actually a little unfair to say the meister are limited after hours and hours fierce fighting against basically the whole worlds arm forces. Which was a joint task by the nations to get rid of celestrial being.



Exia 7 sword in season 1 :) (See episode 6). Just meaning that the revelation of Exia having 7 swords in its arsenal.


Oh ok....didn't know exactly what you meant. :p



I think the show is going on the "personal battle" path atm. But that exactly my point. He has a Gundam which has 4 times the output power of the old Exia, but still having a hard time. It shows that it's the pilot that is lacking, not the machine. Allelujah also commented this in Season 2 ep 4 against Marie.


You may have a point in the personal battle. Setsuna was able to fight graham and win many times. Even at the end when they were actually evenly matched, cuz his suit had false furnace. He had the movement and the other gundams saber. And setsuna managed to defeat him even though his gundam was already messed up by the previous battle too.




It's true that happened. Currently they're doing it blindly compared to Season 1. Although yes, I agree on your point that, Veda was the reason the plans looked like some plans, instead of just going randomly. Season 2, their aim is A-Laws, but atm, there's no absolute plan in that, especially with Sumeragi is hardly on her usual level atm.

But i don't think is not because setsuna's lack of abilities is more of why is he fighting, that is actually hindering him.

But we all know graham will end up fighting along side him. We all know this is all heading for a big showdown on VEDAs location on the moon. Im not surprise if some super weapon has been developed on Vedas location or by aolia and towards the end those cyborg gay group controlling VEDA are looking to gain control over the world or decimate it to start a new one. The world will be rebuild, as it should be..or some crap like that.

[Jammin]

After rereading my post i realized it wasn't very clear. What i meant to say was that their skills were not prioritized over their motivation when picking them. They are talented as pilots but the real thing that CB was looking for was drive to achieve the objective. So while they probably could have found better pilots i doubt they could have found ones with the same absolute belief in what they are doing. Setsuna's devotion is bordering on being a religion for him.:amuse

Which is actually something that makes me think i might like this season. Because if they rely less on their machines and start relying more on their own skill it would make the fights much more enjoyable by my tastes. In the first season it was starting to seem like the real difference in the battles was that the Gundams were impervious to all forms of weapons fire and all the other mechs weren't. I like enemy fire to seem at least a little threatening.:p So far this season has been much better in that respect.

I have two wishes for the future of Gundam 00.

One is that the members of Celestial Being will be forced to come to the realization of just how much responsibility they carry for turning their world into what it now is.

The other is that Saji will start being more central to the plot. This show has had him there from the very beginning and i still don't know why. It's driving me nuts.:s

[laughing@you]

After rereading my post i realized it wasn't very clear. What i meant to say was that their skills were not prioritized over their motivation when picking them. They are talented as pilots but the real thing that CB was looking for was drive to achieve the objective. So while they probably could have found better pilots i doubt they could have found ones with the same absolute belief in what they are doing. Setsuna's devotion is bordering on being a religion for him.:amuse

Which is actually something that makes me think i might like this season. Because if they rely less on their machines and start relying more on their own skill it would make the fights much more enjoyable by my tastes. In the first season it was starting to seem like the real difference in the battles was that the Gundams were impervious to all forms of weapons fire and all the other mechs weren't. I like enemy fire to seem at least a little threatening.:p So far this season has been much better in that respect.


I have two wishes for the future of Gundam 00.
One is that the members of Celestial Being will be forced to come to the realization of just how much responsibility they carry for turning their world into what it now is.

The other is that Saji will start being more central to the plot. This show has had him there from the very beginning and i still don't know why. It's driving me nuts.:s

How were they choosen to me has to be related to ability. Why choose an average pilot for the most powerful weapon in the planet? Yes the drive to achieve goals is important, but if you are not the best at what you need to do, or contribute then what good are you? Its like a basketball team if the members aren't the best at it, the team won't win a game or win the title, don't matter how much resolve or drive to achieve their goals they have. The same goes for the pilots. Tieria was choosen cuz of his android link if you want we can call him that, lockon was choosen cuz his a superb sniper, don't know about you guys but to pull a shot from earth into the space is actually a great feat. I mean scientist spend days calculating trayectory, is not as easy as point up and shoot. (don't think his brother the current lockon is as good well yet to be seen), Alleluyah had its quantum brainwaves which multiplied his fighting ability as a pilot. Now his just a wuzz. Obviously setsuna is the close combat fighter.


So to me they had to be best.

Of course if you are in a superior machine you tend to relax and use the machines superior tech, to win a fight. Most of the time you loose sense of good strategy cuz you rely too much on the machine.

At the end of S1 setsuna was creating openings using strategy, pushing exia to move better. Now he looks sloppy and has a better far superior machine than the rest. And as per the previews for next chapter, I can't believe he needs to activate trans am? gundam 00 should be able to handle graham without going super saiyan!!!...lol...sorry for the DBZ comment!!!

[vintagemistakes]

you can't compare Setsunas fighting abilities at the end of season 1 to his abilities right now... when he fought Graham and Alejandro Corner he was completely focused and his skills showed. Now, as much as he tries, his mind is elsewhere. He's either thinking about Ali and Azadistan or what Marina has said to him. His mind is just too clouded to fight on grahams level right now and the same can probably be said for the other Meisters. The new Lockon is well new, Allelujah doesn't have his super solider powers anymore and the whole Marie thing has his mind elsewhere, and Tieria hasn't really been the same since he was forced to stop using Veda and the original Lockon died. So until their head are clear their never going to be able to push their Gundams to their limits and show the clear difference between them and the A-heads.

Also for those that read Naruto, remember what Zetsu said about Sasuke when he broke Itachis Tsukiyomi "A expert with a stone can still beat a novice with a shuriken" the same concept can apply here...

[shouryuujo]

one thing i dont like in 2nd season is the gundam units... they are basically the same with Tieria's a bit different. 00 Gundam is like the same old gundam before - blades + gun. Sure it has the energy spinner thing but it is not impressive at all. Cherubim looks like the old gundam too and seems to have no difference at all. Arios seems not much different either except the faster shot. Anyone else feel it is bit underwhelming?

And what happened to "ace pilot" patrick? he was seen hitting on the captain before..

[laughing@you]

you can't compare Setsunas fighting abilities at the end of season 1 to his abilities right now... when he fought Graham and Alejandro Corner he was completely focused and his skills showed. Now, as much as he tries, his mind is elsewhere. He's either thinking about Ali and Azadistan or what Marina has said to him. His mind is just too clouded to fight on grahams level right now and the same can probably be said for the other Meisters. The new Lockon is well new, Allelujah doesn't have his super solider powers anymore and the whole Marie thing has his mind elsewhere, and Tieria hasn't really been the same since he was forced to stop using Veda and the original Lockon died. So until their head are clear their never going to be able to push their Gundams to their limits and show the clear difference between them and the A-heads.

Also for those that read Naruto, remember what Zetsu said about Sasuke when he broke Itachis Tsukiyomi "A expert with a stone can still beat a novice with a shuriken" the same concept can apply here...

Its the reason why i'm so upset with the writters right now. i mean they started s2 saying we are determined not to leave the world as it is. But.....how are you gonna do that?...If they were so determined to change the world, how can everybody else rock their craddle so easily?

Is true about zetsu's comment about the rock and the shuriken, but...don't bring the naruto-verse in this thread man.....kishi ruined that fight by making madara invalidate what sasuke accomplished, defeat his brother, then we learn it was just part of his brother's theater. Anyhow....my problem here is gundam 00 having problems with its enemies. I mean its a brand new suit with two freakin solar furnaces....that thing should moving at exia's trans-am's speed. And trans-am should be the ultimate move. And used so early in the game in the next chapter makes me fear it can be defeated.

I really don't want to see gundam 00 getting trashed so early in the 2nd season.

@shouryuujo
The pilot patrick was killed at the end of S1 by Tieria.

[Jammin]

Its the reason why i'm so upset with the writters right now. i mean they started s2 saying we are determined not to leave the world as it is. But.....how are you gonna do that?...If they were so determined to change the world, how can everybody else rock their craddle so easily?I'm not really upset with the writers....yet. It all depends on where the plot is going to go.:amuse

In the first season i found myself very confused with the strategy CB was employing. In targeting armies as a whole, the outcome of uniting the world against them was inevitable. At first I thought this was intentional and that they had something similar to what Lulouch had planned. Yet while Lulouch insured that those who had been abusing their power were removed first(weeding the garden if you will:p), CB did not. So all their plan has achieved was further expanding and solidifying the power of those they intended to stop. All they did was trade war for oppression. Then to top it all off they seemed surprised when the world started putting up a fight. Which left me very confused.:s

I realize that the solar furnace plans falling into the hands of their enemies wasn't part of their plan but still....They have a strategist, how could she not expect a counter strategy when your opponent is the combined might of the world?:blink

They need to stop and figure out who they should be fighting. Somebody intended for the current world to come about and used CB as a tool. Until CB confronts them, all they are doing is fighting proxy battles.

The thing about Gundam 00 that has kept me watching so far is that i feel their are actual answers to all this stuff. So i'll watch and wait until they explain the true purpose of the root organization that created the thrones and CB. Maybe even give us some antagonists with some reasoning behind their actions besides "i'm greedy", "i love war", and "i'm crazy".:eyeroll

If they manage to weave this whole plot together, I'm going to be thrilled with the writers.:D If not..well..at least i liked the art style.:darn

[Luckas]

At this moment I believe that to bring out about 80% or 90% of the twin solar furnaces potential of the Gundam 00 it is necessary to activate Trans-Am to synchronize them. If I'm right then Gundam 00 hasn't already showed all his potential, instead we saw only a part of what it can do the first time Setsuna piloted it.

[laughing@you]

At this moment I believe that to bring out about 80% or 90% of the twin solar furnaces potential of the Gundam 00 it is necessary to activate Trans-Am to synchronize them. If I'm right then Gundam 00 hasn't already showed all his potential, instead we saw only a part of what it can do the first time Setsuna piloted it.


Well he used trans-am to syncronized and boot gundam 00 solar furnaces. But I don't remember him using it to fight.

I'm hoping you are right...and gundam 00's potential hasn't been shown. But the previews show gundam 00 with trans-am activated. Unless they introduced later something more powerfull than trans-am, i fear it may be defeated soon.

You know how the hype goes, when something powerful is introduced so early in the story. Most likely graham has been training to fight trans-am's speed. He already saw it, so he knows what to expect. Probably this defeat or battle will hint of something more than trans-am.

[Crude]

Patrick was actually seen at the end of the last episode of season 1. He was seen during the preview for season 2.

[laughing@you]

Well for those who care and need their RAW dose of Gundam 00

Here are the torrents links:

Gundam 00 - S2 - E7

(1280x720) (http://www.mininova.org/get/2015134) in avi format

(1024x576) (http://www.mininova.org/get/2015135) in avi format


:D Enjoy!!!

[miyavisoap]

i was crying so hard when
mari and allelujah were making out!!!! kyaa- such a great scene!!! and the background and everything was so beautiful. this is why i cant stop watching this anime. it's just so amazing!

and i cant wait til the next ep. i love anything that has to do with tieria. certainly when there is this guy who looks like tieria but is having a bad hair day :p.

[laughing@you]

Finally the sub version of

Gundam 00 S2 - 07 (http://www.mininova.org/get/2017743)

Enjoy


I also must say that i hated allleluyah!...His constant repeating of Marie, marie, marie.....god that was annoying!!

His dialogue revolved in the word marie.

But eventhough he doesn't want her to fight. I think she will join celestial being. Alleluyah probably is gonna die, and she will want to avenge him. Thus piloting a gundam to accomplish this.

On Gundam 00.....I think graham wants to die. He was about to lose if it wasn't for gundam 00 overheating or malfunctioning. I think he feels he should have died in the other battle, but somehow survived.

[vintagemistakes]

well first, I must say that I'm glad I didn't listen to Ruruka of Shinsen-Subs about playing a drinking game with this episode. Good lord, how many times do we have to hear the name Marie? It was insane.

Anyways... I'm not completely sold on the whole Marie being the dominate personality and everything being all peachy now. For some reason its just doesn't feel Kosher with me. I don't know if its because it happened so fast/soon or what but I fully expect for Soma to come back and fight against Allelujah. Who knows... maybe she'll steal his gundam and give it to A-Laws where Billy can dissect it and produce real solar furnaces...

Another thing that sort of stood out to me was Klaus' reaction to Shirin consoling Marina. IIRC the entire time he was getting debriefed by the guy that looks like Kevin Smith, he was rather unemotional... but as soon as Shirin went to consol Marina, he seemed disgusted. I don't know if he was disgusted by the fact that Shirin was showing sympathy towards Marina or at the fact that the federation did what they did.

[laughing@you]

Anyways... I'm not completely sold on the whole Marie being the dominate personality and everything being all peachy now. For some reason its just doesn't feel Kosher with me. I don't know if its because it happened so fast/soon or what but I fully expect for Soma to come back and fight against Allelujah. Who knows... maybe she'll steal his gundam and give it to A-Laws where Billy can dissect it and produce real solar furnaces...

Another thing that sort of stood out to me was Klaus' reaction to Shirin consoling Marina. IIRC the entire time he was getting debriefed by the guy that looks like Kevin Smith, he was rather unemotional... but as soon as Shirin went to consol Marina, he seemed disgusted. I don't know if he was disgusted by the fact that Shirin was showing sympathy towards Marina or at the fact that the federation did what they did.

Agreed in how many time the name marie came up....it was just plain annoying....

On the furnaces i doubt it.....they are called false furnaces cuz they can mass produce them. The real furnaces like our heroes use take years to make. Probably decades. Hence why only our heroes can go trans-am and not camaro......:P...stupid i know!!!

[Schwindelmagier]

I have to admit that I was also annoyed by Allelujah's reactions when Marie appeared. It was always the same but the last scene of episode 7 was just so cute, I couldn't resist. I really liked the episode, especially since I now have the hope that this "Marie, don't you remember me?"-stuff could be finally over. :grin

But this was nothing against the fact that we might get to know something about Tieria('s past) now. Can't wait for episode 8.

[miyavisoap]

mhmm, i dont give a shit about the whole marie thing. i forgot all the annoying stuff as soon as i saw the last scene.

and the bad hair day version of tieria is so annoying! the whole point of tieria's sexiness is his perfect hair and voice!!! :yelling

[predsfan]

I also must say that i hated allleluyah!...His constant repeating of Marie, marie, marie.....god that was annoying!!

His dialogue revolved in the word marie.

Hey, in his defense, he also would randomly throw in her last name as well :p. But yeah, it did annoy me as well, however it's something you get used to if you watch enough Gundam series. I mean everytime Setsuna sees Saji he always says "Saji Crossroad."


Speaking of Saji Crossroad, I really despise him. Something about him just irks me. I love Tieria for the simple fact of how pissed he was at Saji and let Saji know he was responsible for all those peoples deaths last episode. There was a glimpse of the old Tieria that I liked so much. I know it's cruel, but I would find it awesome if he is killed by his girlfriend :darn.

[ikuroi]

I don't like Tiera crossdressing :/ grosses me out

[Kazi]

I know it's cruel, but I would find it awesome if he is killed by his girlfriend :darn.

i think, it would be awesome too, when he kill his girlfriend. I just hoped that he would do it ... why couldn't he just shoot? >.>

[allendsup23]

Episode 8 Raw online viewing http://www.zomganime.com/gundam-00-second-season-episode-8/

[Alexis]

I don't like Tiera crossdressing :/ grosses me out
Why is everyone sure its Tieria and not his clone? The clone has a female voice actor (although she does portray males some times) so it seems more fitting. At least I hope so...

[Schwindelmagier]

Watch the episode and you will be sure that it's Tieria in a dress. (^___^)

[Alexis]

Yeah I did now. Can't say that wasn't disturbing/awkward. =/ Looking forward to the subs because I skimmed most of it. Seems like an interesting episode though.

[laughing@you]

Now we have a plot!!!

I'm gonna write this, and probably look like a retard but here goes.....I didn't know the blonde girl was saji's girlfriend. There i said it!!! Bash away!!!

On other news.....I don't know if tieria's is more pist off about his goal getting twisted or that he was outsmarted and blocked to his system by a better innovator...lol....and the dress was priceless!!!....

Gundam writters like to blur the transgender visuals lines.....

I though gundam 00 was out of comission for a while...??

I'm loving gundam 00 suit is actually getting better. The mechanic already said its gonna far exceed any gundam performance......

[Quetz]

It's about time that 00 started whooping some ass, at the moment its just managed to look cooler than the rest (debatable), and perform on par with the rest of the gundams. Every other time we've seen it its either fought on par with a less technologically advanced mobile suit, or gotten the jump on the enemy.

It's already pretty well known that the gundam's trump card is trans-am, which Aoelia left them after they were cut off from Veda. If it truly was in the plan that the Gundams were to have been destroyed, then they wouldn't have been given such a key tool at such a pivotal moment. In short, I think Regene is full of shit.

Also, WTF @ Tierria, if he doesn't catch crap from the other pilots for this episode then I'll be disappointed.

FINALLY ali-al-sarshes will actually fight someone.....right? We've seen the guy twice now, and the first time he even responded to setsuna's comment, with setsuna/marina just magically whisking away to avoid the fight...

[laughing@you]

wow this thread is almost dead!!

I guess interest in gundam 00 has diminished.

I even stop posting the episode links cuz it seems nobody is interested.

Anyhow 09 seemed OK to me. I'm have mix feelings about the new add-on for 00. I mean whats the purpose of the twin drive system?......they still haven't showed what it really can do.....up until now exia had a better arsenal than 00 does.

I hope the witters start showing what the twin drive system does, cuz otherwise is just lame.

Also it seems like there are some mix feelings between the innovators.

And how lame can tieria get?....i mean the guy uses quantum brainwaves isn't he supposed to read people's intentions so he can react accordingly. He should be owning everybody, and ends up getting shot down almost every time.

[asuka23]

Anyhow 09 seemed OK to me. I'm have mix feelings about the new add-on for 00. I mean whats the purpose of the twin drive system?......they still haven't showed what it really can do.....up until now exia had a better arsenal than 00 does.

I hope the witters start showing what the twin drive system does, cuz otherwise is just lame.

Also it seems like there are some mix feelings between the innovators.

And how lame can tieria get?....i mean the guy uses quantum brainwaves isn't he supposed to read people's intentions so he can react accordingly. He should be owning everybody, and ends up getting shot down almost every time.

The O-Riser should come in handy in stabilizing 00's ridiculous GN particle output. up until now, when 00 resorts to using Trans-Am, it proved that it can pretty much own any Mobile Suit it faces, and can make up in the difference in piloting skills (like the battle against Graham). the problem with the Twin Drive is that its incredibly erratic since it wasn't complete anyway by just installing 2 GN drives on one Gundam. the O-Riser should cover that gap and live up to the hype as the Gundam that can destroy other Gundams. plus there's still the 7 swords upgrade in the future, so 00 + O-Riser + & swords = WIN

and regarding Tieria, his quantum brainwaves were mostly for access to the Veda System to gather info and the Trial system to remotely control any Gundam connected to Veda. now that the Innovators are in control, that ability is pretty much moot. also, it shows that he's developing as a character, hastily reacting to his emotion which is a contrast to the Tieria from season 1.

[laughing@you]

The O-Riser should come in handy in stabilizing 00's ridiculous GN particle output. up until now, when 00 resorts to using Trans-Am, it proved that it can pretty much own any Mobile Suit it faces, and can make up in the difference in piloting skills (like the battle against Graham). the problem with the Twin Drive is that its incredibly erratic since it wasn't complete anyway by just installing 2 GN drives on one Gundam. the O-Riser should cover that gap and live up to the hype as the Gundam that can destroy other Gundams. plus there's still the 7 swords upgrade in the future, so 00 + O-Riser + & swords = WIN

and regarding Tieria, his quantum brainwaves were mostly for access to the Veda System to gather info and the Trial system to remotely control any Gundam connected to Veda. now that the Innovators are in control, that ability is pretty much moot. also, it shows that he's developing as a character, hastily reacting to his emotion which is a contrast to the Tieria from season 1.

I think its kinda of ridiculous that gundam 00 doesn’t have more features. And I’m thinking it’s the writers fault not to add more features. I mean gundam 00 should be generating insanely amounts of GN particles to not allow anything to harm it. Like an absolute defense. Tieria’s gundam has something like it but it falls shorts sometimes. Also it should be faster than any mobile suit out there. Ali al sarshes throne gundam shouldn’t be able to keep up with it. I mean shit, even exia gave more of a battle against that throne. In my opinion gundam 00 should be far stronger than anything out there. Instead is getting pushed back by any new gundam destroyer wannabe. Although, at the end he took that fleet on his own, which is kinda cool, but the fights that matter his always getting pushed back. I still don’t see how the O-riser will improve gundam 00. I guess we will have to wait until next episode. On tieria so your saying he wasn’t built to fight? Interesting, like there’s different innovators with different levels of fighting abilities or designs to fight. Wow that means Tieria is at the bottom of the food chain then. He gets pushed out of VEDA he sucks as a fighter as gundam pilot…I mean hell kill yourself cuz everybody is owning you in everything you were supposed to be unique.

[asuka23]

I think its kinda of ridiculous that gundam 00 doesn’t have more features. And I’m thinking it’s the writers fault not to add more features. I mean gundam 00 should be generating insanely amounts of GN particles to not allow anything to harm it. Like an absolute defense. Tieria’s gundam has something like it but it falls shorts sometimes.

seems like the show isn't really living up to your expectations. ;D or you prefer having mechs that are so ridiculously powerful that its supposed to be some sort of God of War that's simply untouchable in battle. whatever floats your boat I guess


Also it should be faster than any mobile suit out there. Ali al sarshes throne gundam shouldn’t be able to keep up with it. I mean shit, even exia gave more of a battle against that throne. In my opinion gundam 00 should be far stronger than anything out there. Instead is getting pushed back by any new gundam destroyer wannabe.

00, as it is right now, is incomplete. Right now, its really no better than Exia when its not using Trans-Am. back in Season 1, Ali outclassed Setsuna in their battle of Throne vs. Gundam. It wasn't really much of a battle until the Trans-Am kicked in. 00 should live up to your expectations once its "completed".

and wannabe? really? He was able to fend off 2 Gundams with a wannabe Gundam destroyer? Keep in mind that Ali is one of the best pilots in the series, alongside Graham.


Although, at the end he took that fleet on his own, which is kinda cool, but the fights that matter his always getting pushed back. I still don’t see how the O-riser will improve gundam 00. I guess we will have to wait until next episode.

Do that.

On tieria so your saying he wasn’t built to fight? Interesting, like there’s different innovators with different levels of fighting abilities or designs to fight. Wow that means Tieria is at the bottom of the food chain then. He gets pushed out of VEDA he sucks as a fighter as gundam pilot…I mean hell kill yourself cuz everybody is owning you in everything you were supposed to be unique.

regarding Tieria, I said that his quantum brainwaves, from what we've seen, are for connecting to Veda and the Trial System. Its not some sort of Seed Mode for him in this series. =P He's a capable pilot for Celestial Being, but obviously, there are people above him in that regard.
We'll have to see though if the other Innovators are actually more savvy than he is as a pilot.

[laughing@you]

seems like the show isn't really living up to your expectations. ;D or you prefer having mechs that are so ridiculously powerful that its supposed to be some sort of God of War that's simply untouchable in battle. whatever floats your boat I guess
Well noup..it isn't!! and yes...like they were in season 1. Almost untouchables!!

I miss the goo'ol gundam seed, setting.




00, as it is right now, is incomplete. Right now, its really no better than Exia when its not using Trans-Am. back in Season 1, Ali outclassed Setsuna in their battle of Throne vs. Gundam. It wasn't really much of a battle until the Trans-Am kicked in. 00 should live up to your expectations once its "completed".

Thats my point the writers are not doing a good job at explaining the gap between the two. At the end of season 1 setsuna in my opinion had reached a high level of piloting. He was fighting everybody like an ace. All of a sudden his no good anymore.



and wannabe? really? He was able to fend off 2 Gundams with a wannabe Gundam destroyer? Keep in mind that Ali is one of the best pilots in the series, alongside Graham.


Well i wasn't referring to them. Again my problem is between the serious gap between them right now. Ali was always a good pilot. But setsuna was displayed at the end of season 1 that he could match him. In the last fight he almost served as cannon meat to give tieria an opening.



Do that.
I will!!



regarding Tieria, I said that his quantum brainwaves, from what we've seen, are for connecting to Veda and the Trial System. Its not some sort of Seed Mode for him in this series. =P He's a capable pilot for Celestial Being, but obviously, there are people above him in that regard.
We'll have to see though if the other Innovators are actually more savvy than he is as a pilot.

He should be more, its all i'm saying. I always though he had the ultimate weapon. After he lost veda, everything went downhill for him. His performance is even crappier than alleluyah!!!

The way things are going, i'm thinking a gundam pilot will die soon, and marie will have to pilot. Make sense cuz she has the training for it. (+she's a super soldier). :)....Right now she's a better pilot than alleluyah, tieria, and setsuna!!

[Jammin]

I actually like that the gundams have some competition now. It sort of sucked when anyone who tried to fight them was just committing suicide. Now at least their enemies can put up a fight. It's hard for me to see honor or heroism in slaughtering opponents that can't fight back.:)

What i'd like to see now is for two gundam pilots to be taken out(any two would be fine by me, though i would like for Aleluya to be one of them). To be replaced by Saji and Marie. Yes, i know Saji isn't really trained as a pilot but with the way the gundam pilots have been relying almost totally on there machines to win fights i don't think a talented newbie would be that much of a step down. It might even be a step up.:amuse

One thing i have been very displeased with lately is strategy. The A-laws setting up and ambush with only 4 units and a cruiser....SERIOUSLY!! You have your opponents main ship in a vulnerable position and you sent a tiny to unit to take advantage. That is not smart.:notrust

Another thing I've noticed is how the anti-CB forces always seem to loose track of them when they get to space. Why? Is their a space fog? It just seems kind of odd nobody in the A-laws owns a telescope.:darn

[vintagemistakes]

The only thing that I really haven't liked so far in Season 2, other than the whole Tieria cross dressing scene(although you knew it was coming at somepoint) is that whenever we get a new Gundam and/or Mobile suit, it only takes about a episode or two before they're outdated. They're running through models like crazy and its kinda annoying...

Anyways heres a pic of what OO Raiser should look like since Bandai is releasing the model in Dec.

http://i37.tinypic.com/29ql4qg.jpg

[hyn_pride93]

The only thing that I really haven't liked so far in Season 2, other than the whole Tieria cross dressing scene(although you knew it was coming at somepoint) is that whenever we get a new Gundam and/or Mobile suit, it only takes about a episode or two before they're outdated. They're running through models like crazy and its kinda annoying...
I swear, I can't stand that too! 00 was crazy strong in the first episode, then the next episodes and he's already exploding and losing. I know that the model's twin drives weren't completed yet but still, it just dies out so fast.

I've also noticed that even though the new gundams are even better than what the old models used to be, they get destroyed easily. The old gundams seemed to have a really strong defense because they gundam wasn't harmed as much when it got shot at. But now, whenever they get hit by something, they're exploding here and there. It's kind of a bummer. Yeah the competition for the gundams is even more exciting, but it's just taking away the coolness and power of the gundams. :(


Anyways heres a pic of what OO Raiser should look like since Bandai is releasing the model in Dec.
Oh so that's what it's supposed to be! COOL

[bax]

Here are some more pics of 00 Gundam 0-Riser variant


http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/12/6/t_00gundamwitm_0321ce3.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/6/f_00gundamwitm_0321ce3.jpg&srv=img32) http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/6/t_00gundamwitm_97df64f.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/6/f_00gundamwitm_97df64f.jpg&srv=img37) http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/12/6/t_00gundamwitm_3ca093f.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/6/f_00gundamwitm_3ca093f.jpg&srv=img26)

Credits to gunota (http://gunota.info/index.php/2008/10/09/00-gundam-with-0-riser/)

[hyn_pride93]

I really hope that this Gundam Upgrade is going to be enough to take down Ali's improved throne. Or I hope that there a new Nadleeh in that new Gundam that Tieria has. This Gundam should, I mean it has to.

[segua]

Here are some more pics of 00 Gundam 0-Riser variant


http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/12/6/t_00gundamwitm_0321ce3.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/6/f_00gundamwitm_0321ce3.jpg&srv=img32) http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/12/6/t_00gundamwitm_97df64f.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/6/f_00gundamwitm_97df64f.jpg&srv=img37) http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/12/6/t_00gundamwitm_3ca093f.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/6/f_00gundamwitm_3ca093f.jpg&srv=img26)

Credits to gunota (http://gunota.info/index.php/2008/10/09/00-gundam-with-0-riser/)


*cough* Gundam Wing Zero *cough*

Ah common guys, Tiera cross dressing? Damn he was hot. Now the real question is, is Tiera identical twin that hot in the same dress? That's what I really want to know.

I'm not that big of a Gundam fan but this series seems to be placing itself right at the birth of the space colonies. That's very interesting in my opinion.

[Host Samurai]

Holy Shit! Just watch the episode that was an awesome episode... HALLELUJAH is back!! :D

[segua]

G00 S2 Ep 10 was great. Too bad the one I was watching got cut at the end. That was messed up.

Things are heating up for CB. Seems like A-Laws will not give them a chance to catch their breaths at all. Seems like CB needs another hardware upgrade and fast too.

[miyavisoap]

HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH

kyaaaaaaaaaa- *faint*

[Jammin]

Sumeragi is really acting like an idiot right now.:notrust That A-Laws suit was able to follow the CB ship. Which makes heading straight to their base not a real smart move. If they find out the location of CB's base it would open up at least three possible ways for the A-Laws to obliterate CB.


Long range blast with that light cannon thing while CB is in a fixed position.(In CB's defense they don't know about this option)

Attempt a straight up attack on the base when their space ship is in dock. Burying it. Thereby eliminating the primary means of support the gundams have.(I think this is the most likely to happen because it's just about the only one that doesn't put the gundams in a hopeless situation.)

Wait till CB leaves the base then attack it. Set a trap to catch CB's ship when they return to defend the base using mines set on the routes CB's ship is most likely to use. Then send use artillery and A-Laws mobile suits to finish the job.If the other strategist doesn't take advantage of this, I will be very disappointed. Then again she did send that Mobile suit out which gave away a big advantage at no gain.

[laughing@you]

AWWW...YEAHHH!!!

Nobody is messing with gundam 00 now!!!

Everybody will get owned!!!!!

And Halleluyah is back!!!

I feel sorry for the innovators now, that celestial being is getting to full strength now!!!...They are just messing with the wrong people!!!

Its pretty much a safe bet that marie will join the fight now that her father figure just got killed or hurt.

I wonder if she's gonna get a new gundam now.

I think the twin drive system has some other side effects to humans. False furnace create particles that destroy life, probably real furnaces particle generated by the twin drive's create life!!! Theory that can be exploited later.

Oh and i called it...a gundam series cannot be called a gundam series without your good'ol satellite golden eye destructo beam. Its also a safe bet that celestial being will most likely target that satellite.

[vintagemistakes]

Well its not official, but I'm pretty sure Anew Returner is an Innovator and I just wonder how long its going to take CB to realize this too. I also wonder if she was the one that secretly gave away the GN-field technology or if Ribbons already had access to it through Veda.

One of the things that I have found interesting over the past few episodes is the relationship between Ribbons and Regene Regetta. At times there seems to be some tension between the two(Regene mocking Ribbons about only getting to level 7/about not knowing about the twin drive) and I think Regene might end up stabbing Ribbons in the back before everything is said and done. Who knows, maybe, Regene has greater access to Veda and might possibly know Aeolia Schenbergs true plans as I sincerely doubt that the goal/plan Ribbons talked about is the real one...

[asuka23]

Well its not official, but I'm pretty sure Anew Returner is an Innovator and I just wonder how long its going to take CB to realize this too. I also wonder if she was the one that secretly gave away the GN-field technology or if Ribbons already had access to it through Veda.

makes you wonder though if each Innovator has a respective twin in the series: Tieria and Regene form one pair, and Anew has a striking resemblance to Revive (I just hope that the genders are cleared up at some point. These traps are quite a distraction). Anew is a new recruit of CB so I don't see how she was the one who leaked the technology of GN Drives. there was already another Mobile Suit that was able to utilize a GN Field other than Virtue in S1 (Alejandro's Alvatore). If anything, she could be the one that leaked the location of CB's base, since Ian did say that the camouflage on Lagrange 3 was perfect.

anyways, episode 11 better be good, with the return of Hallelujah and the debut of both GN Archer and the 00-Riser.

[miyavisoap]

the way i distinguish innovators is their eyes. all of their eyes look exactly the same except for the colors lol. and they always have their matching pairs :xp.

and im really excited about the next episode, too.

[asuka23]

the way i distinguish innovators is their eyes. all of their eyes look exactly the same except for the colors lol. and they always have their matching pairs :xp.

and im really excited about the next episode, too.

then Bring's other half would be a much, much, much more epic trap than the one we've seen.

[miyavisoap]

haha, yeah Bring has kinda different eyes so i was confused at first but obviously, he is one of the innovators >.>

and his half... it would be cool if he becomes one of the meisters or somethin like that!
[hr]
omg, episode 11 was awesome!!!

the O riser is fucking cooler than i ever thought it would be. such a kickass thang!!!!!! and again, tieria's two second shower scene was good, too :p
the whole louis and saji thing is so sadd. i hope they actually meet and do something about it!

[laughing@you]

I almost felt cheated in this episode. Just when i thought we were gonna see gundam 00 kicking ass...

I also feel sad for tieria he wants to do so much yet his gundam is always lacking. At certain points he seems like cannon meat. I can't wait to see hallelujah getting out. That double personality was always interesting and very awesome to see how the other personality owned everybody else.

[segua]

CB are having such a hard time this round is that they are going up against MS that are utilizing a variant of their own technology. Also, if the innovators wanted to, they could decimate CB. Though since CB is still of some use, the innovators will try to milk CB as much as they could.

I'm wondering if Mary might make use of her other persona anytime soon. She will most likely partner up with Hallelujah.

[asuka23]

cheh, the entire episode was a cocktease. not to mention the horrible pacing, screentime for useless characters, short-lived action sequences (Hallelujah was MIA and no appearance for the GN Archer), the 'Gattai' sequence was underwhelming, made this a horrible, horrible episode. and after all that build-up for the 00-Riser, this is what we got, another transitional episode. there wasn't even a declaration of "I am 0-Riser!!!!" from Saji. he and Setsuna with his respective line, simultaneously yelling it at the top of their lungs, is something I'd pay to see. xD

[miyavisoap]

haha well, i liked the last scene of ppl seeing each other and everything.

but i kinda didnt get it tho lol. whats up with two blue circles and ppl suddenly getting naked???

[segua]

Interesting. How I interpreted the last part where everyone is naked must be a way for people to face each other's mind. To mentally challenge each other, come to an understanding and possibly resolve the conflict through understanding. Time for them to face the bare and naked truth.

[bax]

Ah... naked scene.. It's a must have scene in all gundam series xD It's always there in every series >.>

The big battle is yet to come though. 00-Raiser vs Garazzo will probably start the next episode up. And the spoilers say that Bring Stability escaped the battlefield.

[miyavisoap]

yeshh, i read the spoilers too and i just think that bring is a super mysterious/interesting characterr. and i wonder who his "pair" will be...

and those naked scenes are my favorites :jk

[segua]

Ya know, if they could see each other other than being naked, I wonder if Cathy (A-Laws strategic forecaster) will find out that Mary is still alive. She might take it as betrayal.

I also wonder if the guys of A-Laws is checking out Sumeragi. Seriously, though, the identity of both parties will be known. I'm sure Cathy and Sumeragi might face each other and what not. Louies and Mary is another possible confrontation and etc. Interestingly enough, they could hear each other's thoughts. I wonder if they will feel each other's feelings and emotions?

I also hope the rest of CB, the crews escaping in the transport make it somewhere safe. Godspeed.

[bax]

Hmmm... I just want to know what other people think about 00-Raiser (non trans-am mode) power output. I read a lot of things about it... ie: Should be twice the power of Exia or quadpowered compared to Exia....

Personally, that's incorrect. (Well I could be the one who is wrong though xD)

00 Gundam without the 0-Raiser is definitely underpar, performing less than Exia. Since the first time it moved, it was around 80%+ only. The main reason is the system isn't perfect by itself, thus performing with less efficiency despite havign twin drive. Well people might say this 80% is based on the twin drive system, so it should be powerful, but ep11 made me think otherwise.

Now, 00-Raiser (00 + 0-Raiser), before trans-am had it's meter screen show 100% MAX (See when they docked). This is personally, the original solar furnace at max power. Exia (trans-am mode) at max power should be at this point too. It's obvious that having a twin drive should enable a gundam to reach the normal single drive trans-am performance without actually having to go into trans-am mode.

The true worth of 00-Raiser however is in its twin drive trans-am mode. With 99% power from both solar furnace, it reached 300% output. This is the theoritical limit, which suggests that although it uses a square coupling (400%), it can only reach 300%, probably due to safety reasons. To compare it, at this point 00-Raiser should be at 3 times Exia trans-am mode. 00-Raiser probably can push to the peak performance of 400%, but not without harmful effects. Even at 300%, Saji (who obviously has no prior training in handling high G-Force) already was in trouble compared to Setsuna. Sadly, at this theoritical limit, 00-Raiser can only be at 300% for just 3 minutes.

Now, to correct some thoughts about the overall Gundam performance vs the Federation suits (with fake solar furnaces).

In it's normal mode, the original solar furnace operates at optimum setting, not max setting. Compared one to one with the fake solar furnace, at this point, the fake solar furnace wins. The fake solar furnace is the absolute copy of the original after all, minus one thing: the TD Blanket (thus making the fakes not being able to use the trans-am, unless it's reengineered further).

TD Blanket is the system that somehow regulates the particles of the furnaces. That's why the Gundams don't have to recharge (heck they even can go and power up Ptolemaios after a fight), because the particle discharge is kept at a level that they don't have to be recharged at all compared to the fake solar furnaces which has to be recharged ater use. Thus, this explain why the Meisters are sometimes overpowered by their opponents.

Now, when a Gundam goes into trans-am mode, it lifts the TD Blanket system, allowing the Gundams to discharge all their particles, hence, they need to recharge/resupply the solar furnaces after using trans-am. At this point, the performance of the originals should be over the performance of the fakes.

If you want to put it in numbers (numbers are for reference only, not real value) for single drive setting.

Fakes
-- Power: Always at 90
Originals
-- Power (Normal) : At 80
-- Power (Trans-am/Max): At 100

Or you can say it like this in another possibility:

Fakes
-- Power: Always at 80
Originals
-- Power (Normal) : At 80
-- Power (Trans-am/Max): At 100

This way, it will go to the other route. Which means the Innovators copied the solar furnace perfectly, only without knowing the TD Blanket was there (since it's a secret system by Aoelia, only activated when Allejandro breached Veda's chamber). This will make the original solar furnaces (at optimum setting) on equal with the fakes.

The solar furnaces in Gundam 00 doesn't make a Gundam super powerful. It's just a general new technology. Example: they used to make a normal car, then they have the technology to make a sports car. The other things surrounding this technology are the ones making the difference. Efficiency of the sytem regulating this engine, the pilots, the strategies, etc. Of course at the beginning, the CB were using Ferraris and the other people were using normal cars, CB pwned them only losing when strategies and numbers come into play). Then everyone starts using sports cars too, so they're almost equal in technology.

If you look at it this way (not expecting Gundams should uber pwn everyone), you'll get the picture. All in all, just my thoughts :3 Could be wrong though, so take it as a theory.


Btw... Returner is smex :333 My type definitely >.>;;

[TechnoMagus]

Hmmm... I just want to know what other people think about 00-Raiser (non trans-am mode) power output. I read a lot of things about it... ie: Should be twice the power of Exia or quadpowered compared to Exia....

Personally, that's incorrect. (Well I could be the one who is wrong though xD)

00 Gundam without the 0-Raiser is definitely underpar, performing less than Exia. Since the first time it moved, it was around 80%+ only. The main reason is the system isn't perfect by itself, thus performing with less efficiency despite havign twin drive. Well people might say this 80% is based on the twin drive system, so it should be powerful, but ep11 made me think otherwise.

Now, 00-Raiser (00 + 0-Raiser), before trans-am had it's meter screen show 100% MAX (See when they docked). This is personally, the original solar furnace at max power. Exia (trans-am mode) at max power should be at this point too. It's obvious that having a twin drive should enable a gundam to reach the normal single drive trans-am performance without actually having to go into trans-am mode.

The true worth of 00-Raiser however is in its twin drive trans-am mode. With 99% power from both solar furnace, it reached 300% output. This is the theoritical limit, which suggests that although it uses a square coupling (400%), it can only reach 300%, probably due to safety reasons. To compare it, at this point 00-Raiser should be at 3 times Exia trans-am mode. 00-Raiser probably can push to the peak performance of 400%, but not without harmful effects. Even at 300%, Saji (who obviously has no prior training in handling high G-Force) already was in trouble compared to Setsuna. Sadly, at this theoritical limit, 00-Raiser can only be at 300% for just 3 minutes.

Now, to correct some thoughts about the overall Gundam performance vs the Federation suits (with fake solar furnaces).

In it's normal mode, the original solar furnace operates at optimum setting, not max setting. Compared one to one with the fake solar furnace, at this point, the fake solar furnace wins. The fake solar furnace is the absolute copy of the original after all, minus one thing: the TD Blanket (thus making the fakes not being able to use the trans-am, unless it's reengineered further).

TD Blanket is the system that somehow regulates the particles of the furnaces. That's why the Gundams don't have to recharge (heck they even can go and power up Ptolemaios after a fight), because the particle discharge is kept at a level that they don't have to be recharged at all compared to the fake solar furnaces which has to be recharged ater use. Thus, this explain why the Meisters are sometimes overpowered by their opponents.

Now, when a Gundam goes into trans-am mode, it lifts the TD Blanket system, allowing the Gundams to discharge all their particles, hence, they need to recharge/resupply the solar furnaces after using trans-am. At this point, the performance of the originals should be over the performance of the fakes.

If you want to put it in numbers (numbers are for reference only, not real value) for single drive setting.

Fakes
-- Power: Always at 90
Originals
-- Power (Normal) : At 80
-- Power (Trans-am/Max): At 100

The solar furnaces in Gundam 00 doesn't make a Gundam super powerful. It's just a general new technology. Example: they used to make a normal car, then they have the technology to make a sports car. The other things surrounding this technology are the ones making the difference. Efficiency of the sytem regulating this engine, the pilots, the strategies, etc. Of course at the beginning, the CB were using Ferraris and the other people were using normal cars, CB pwned them only losing when strategies and numbers come into play). Then everyone starts using sports cars too, so they're almost equal in technology.

If you look at it this way (not expecting Gundams should uber pwn everyone), you'll get the picture. All in all, just my thoughts :3 Could be wrong though, so take it as a theory.


Btw... Returner is smex :333 My type definitely >.>;;

wow bax....is this gonna be your grad school thesis? :nuts

:worship

can you make me my own solar furnace too? i promise i'll take good care of it....:XD

[bax]

No it won't.. I'm way passed grad school >.>

Just some thoughts about the lingering "Why Gundams are overpowered in Gundam 00" question.

[TechnoMagus]

No it won't.. I'm way passed grad school >.>
post grad then? :D


Just some thoughts about the lingering "Why Gundams are overpowered in Gundam 00" question.
simple answer....because it is a gundam show....;)

anyways looking forward to the next 00 upgrade to 00-RAISER-DRAGOON w/ AUTO TARGETING SOLAR FURNACE JAMMER CANCELLER etc....:notrust

[bax]

I'm way passed that stage too >.>

Well, there are a few must have scenes/things in every gundam series anyway. Naked scenes and huge ass space cannons are a must lol xD Still, I wish the 00 Seven Sword variant will be in this series .____. Unlike Avalanche Exia .____.

[miyavisoap]

im sorry baxxie-chann. i couldnt possible even dare to read that... umm... "essay..." :p

NAKED SCENES AND HUGE ASS SPACE CANNONS ARE A MUST!!!!!

totally secondedd- kyaaa-

[shouryuujo]

sad thing is whatever Billy is cooking up for Grahm will most likely overpower 00 with 0raizer and then we have another powerup...

[segua]

Hmmm... I just want to know what other people think about 00-Raiser (non trans-am mode) power output. I read a lot of things about it... ie: Should be twice the power of Exia or quadpowered compared to Exia....

Personally, that's incorrect. (Well I could be the one who is wrong though xD)

00 Gundam without the 0-Raiser is definitely underpar, performing less than Exia. Since the first time it moved, it was around 80%+ only. The main reason is the system isn't perfect by itself, thus performing with less efficiency despite havign twin drive. Well people might say this 80% is based on the twin drive system, so it should be powerful, but ep11 made me think otherwise.

Now, 00-Raiser (00 + 0-Raiser), before trans-am had it's meter screen show 100% MAX (See when they docked). This is personally, the original solar furnace at max power. Exia (trans-am mode) at max power should be at this point too. It's obvious that having a twin drive should enable a gundam to reach the normal single drive trans-am performance without actually having to go into trans-am mode.

The true worth of 00-Raiser however is in its twin drive trans-am mode. With 99% power from both solar furnace, it reached 300% output. This is the theoritical limit, which suggests that although it uses a square coupling (400%), it can only reach 300%, probably due to safety reasons. To compare it, at this point 00-Raiser should be at 3 times Exia trans-am mode. 00-Raiser probably can push to the peak performance of 400%, but not without harmful effects. Even at 300%, Saji (who obviously has no prior training in handling high G-Force) already was in trouble compared to Setsuna. Sadly, at this theoritical limit, 00-Raiser can only be at 300% for just 3 minutes.

Now, to correct some thoughts about the overall Gundam performance vs the Federation suits (with fake solar furnaces).

In it's normal mode, the original solar furnace operates at optimum setting, not max setting. Compared one to one with the fake solar furnace, at this point, the fake solar furnace wins. The fake solar furnace is the absolute copy of the original after all, minus one thing: the TD Blanket (thus making the fakes not being able to use the trans-am, unless it's reengineered further).

TD Blanket is the system that somehow regulates the particles of the furnaces. That's why the Gundams don't have to recharge (heck they even can go and power up Ptolemaios after a fight), because the particle discharge is kept at a level that they don't have to be recharged at all compared to the fake solar furnaces which has to be recharged ater use. Thus, this explain why the Meisters are sometimes overpowered by their opponents.

Now, when a Gundam goes into trans-am mode, it lifts the TD Blanket system, allowing the Gundams to discharge all their particles, hence, they need to recharge/resupply the solar furnaces after using trans-am. At this point, the performance of the originals should be over the performance of the fakes.

If you want to put it in numbers (numbers are for reference only, not real value) for single drive setting.

Fakes
-- Power: Always at 90
Originals
-- Power (Normal) : At 80
-- Power (Trans-am/Max): At 100

Or you can say it like this in another possibility:

Fakes
-- Power: Always at 80
Originals
-- Power (Normal) : At 80
-- Power (Trans-am/Max): At 100

This way, it will go to the other route. Which means the Innovators copied the solar furnace perfectly, only without knowing the TD Blanket was there (since it's a secret system by Aoelia, only activated when Allejandro breached Veda's chamber). This will make the original solar furnaces (at optimum setting) on equal with the fakes.

The solar furnaces in Gundam 00 doesn't make a Gundam super powerful. It's just a general new technology. Example: they used to make a normal car, then they have the technology to make a sports car. The other things surrounding this technology are the ones making the difference. Efficiency of the sytem regulating this engine, the pilots, the strategies, etc. Of course at the beginning, the CB were using Ferraris and the other people were using normal cars, CB pwned them only losing when strategies and numbers come into play). Then everyone starts using sports cars too, so they're almost equal in technology.

If you look at it this way (not expecting Gundams should uber pwn everyone), you'll get the picture. All in all, just my thoughts :3 Could be wrong though, so take it as a theory.


Btw... Returner is smex :333 My type definitely >.>;;


It's all confusing to me at the moment. Gundam 00's performance, from certain sources, should be squared of Exia's performance. So here is my informal proof:


If Exia = 100% then 00 == Exia ^ 2. Or rather, if Exia = 100% and Gundam 0 = 100% then 00 == (Exia + Gundam 0) ^ 2


So from the information sources (other forums mainly), 00's power is not doubled or quadruple but squared of that of Exia and 0. Though personally, this doesn't sit too well with me. I just can't comprehend how 00 could be able to produce so much power! The Twin Drive System allows for a synergistic output which means that power output should surpass the sum of power outputted from both drives combined. But, for the output to be squared! That's just insane or Aeolia Schenberg is the genius of geniuses.

The sound of the Twin Drive System providing twice the power of Exia seems accurate or that the Twin Drive System provides a more than twice the power of Exia could also be true. Though that's only true when 00 is able to operate at 100% efficiency.

So how I see it using the examples I gave above:


00 > Exia + Gundam 0
-or-
Gundam 00 TDS > Gundam Exia GN Drive + Gundam 0 GN Drive


So if both drives output, say, 100 units of power each and 200 units altogether, the Twin Drive System should be able to produce more than 200 units of power and not the squared value of 40,000 units of power. That's just too much!

First off, Trans-AM (TA) is said to give the Gundams 300% performance increase correct?


Output[TA] == 3x
(Where x is the unit of power.)

The Twin Drive System (TDS) was said to square the productivity of both GN drives (which I highly doubt it). I prefer that the Twin Drive synergistically increase the productivity.


Output[TDS] == (a+b)^2


-or-
Output[TDS] > (a+b)
(Where a and b represents 0's and Exia's power output.)

Trans-AM Twin Drive System (TATDS) I imagine might be either three ways:


Output[TATDS] == (3(a+b))^2
-or-
Output[TATDS] == 3((a+b)^2)
-or-
Output[TATDS] > 3(a+b)


I think that the first formula is correct rather than the second one if the Twin Drive System actually squared productivity. Now we know that the Twin Drive System isn't very reliable as it still has some bugs to fix. That's where the 0-Raiser comes in. The 0-Raiser is said to help stabilize 00 Twin Drive System. So in reality, 00's Twin Drive System has to take account of 15% to 25% error correction (maybe more depending on the GN drives used). The 0-Raiser minimizes the error correction yet also increases the efficiency of 00. Just a note, some forums said that 290% was the theorectical limit.

I don't know how the 0-Raiser increases the efficiency but I could only take a guess. Which is that the 0-Raiser increases the synergistic relationship between the GN Drives. I don't know if 0-Raiser has it's own GN Drive and if it does to what extent. Though some information on the internet says that the 0-Raiser has large condensers. That could mean that either 00 Twin Drive System is leaking too much energy or that the energy management utilized in the Twin Drive System is poor. To remedy that, 0-Raiser has energy condensers (possibly) to conserve energy. Sadly, I don't know too much about the roles of energy condensers.

My take, 0-Raiser is to Twin Drives Systems as TD Blanket is to true GN Drives.

Also, I would like to note that since only percentages are shown, you can't really define an exact amount nor find out an exact formula.

If you compare Exia versus 00, notice when 00 was in Trans-AM mode, it was performing at 87% but each GN Drive was only outputting 61-62% power.

So if you do the math, let's say that each GN Drive g is capable of producing 100 units of power.


g = 100 units of power

Now if both GN Drives were around 61% (+/- 1 % error correction),


Output[Gundam(g)] = pg
(Where p represents power output percentage of a GN Drive)
-or-
Output[0(g)] = 61%*100 ---> Output[0(g)] = 61 units
Output[Exia(g)] = 61%*100 ---> Output[Exia(g)] = 61 units


So each unit is producing about 61 units of power +/- 1% of 100u. So to get how much power 00 might be producing:


00 > Output[0(g)] + Output[Exia(g)]
-or-
00 > 61u + 61u ---> 00 > 122u


Since 00 was performing at 87% when both GN Drives were operating at around 61%, 00 should be outputting around 122 units of power or more.


87% > 122u


In this case, divide both sides by 87 to get what 1% unit of power might be:


87%/87 > 122u/87 ---> 1% > 1.4023u


To get an idea of what 00's full power output might be, multiply 1.4023 units by 100:


00[100%] = 100 * 1.4023u ---> 00[100%] = 140.23 units of power.


Theoretically, 00 should be able to output more than 200 units of power at 100%. Sadly 00 doesn't perform as well as it should be at 100% by my calculations. So without the 0-Raiser, 00 performs about 140% better than Exia, almost 70% or more worse than it should be able to perform (140%/200%=70%). Of course I do realize that 00 was operating at 87% in Trans-AM mode from the unstable 70% (more or less) in normal state. So when 00 is in Trans-AM, there is a pathetic 17% (more or less) increase in power.

If Exia's power output in Trans-AM mode is 300% more:


Output[Exia] = 3(100u) ---> Output[Exia] = 300 units of power


Even Exia in Trans-AM mode could take on 00 in Trans-AM mode. 300u for Exia versus ~122u for 00.

Though with 0-Raiser and Trans-AM, nothing could touch 00 Raiser at the moment. Here's my math:


Output[00 Raiser] > 3(Output[0(g)] + Output[Exia(g)]) = 3(100u + 100u) = 3*200u ---> Output[00 Raiser] > 600 units of power


Now here is something interesting, if 00 was in operation at 80%, which is baseline stable operation conditions (hopefully), 00 would outperform Exia by 12u.


Exia[100%] = 100u
00[80%] > 112.184u
So, Exia < 00


So 00 isn't that weak when compared to Exia in normal state when 00 is operating at 80% or more that is. Overall, 00 doesn't appear to be as reliable of a machine as Exia since 00 has trouble getting pass 80% operating rate. It's also clear that 00 Raiser is much more powerful than 00 or Exia in normal mode. Since the 0-Raiser stabilizes 00's Twin Drive System, 00-Raiser should be able to output around or more than 200 units of power at 100%.

Theoretically when 00-Raiser is in Trans-AM mode, around 580 units of power or 290% performance increase should've been 00 boundary limit. Truthfully, I don't even know how much power would Trans-AM give a Twin Drive System nor the theoretical limit when 00-Raiser uses Trans-AM. In addition, 00-Raiser seems to have another ability at peak power: "I spy you naked."

In addition, it's said that the GN Drive Taus were similar in performance to the GN Drives. With the advances over the past four years, the fake solar furnaces could've outperformed the GN Drive Taus and the GN Drives utilized by the last generation Gundams.



source: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2089484
Thanks: Village Idiot

GN-0000 00 Gundam

With combination of 0 Gundam and Exia's GN Drive, the only MS with Twin Drive

Using the same concept 'Rebirth through destruction' like the tv series, the new generation of Gundams (meaning the Exia etc) are designed with such thoughts in mind. In the Second Season, the mecha designs also add new experimental designs. Many of the Gundam's characteristics from the First Season such as chest orb, no mark in the mask, the cone on the back, and energy cords over the body are abandoned. To reject former designs and then come up with new designs, it fits with the season catchphrase 'Destroy This Rebirth'.

Mechanism

A. Twin Drive System
2 Solar Furnace equipped on both shoulders. They are from 0 Gundam and Exia. Twin Drive is usable when 2 original Solar Furnace synchronize, release not double, but squared amount of GN Particles. The improved version of Solar furnace standard Cone type is used. It now has the same function of thruster type from the Second Generation Gundams such as Astraea.

B. GN Condenser
GN Condensers are built in various joints, and able to store GN Particles, and also release a huge amount of them at once. In Twin Drive's case, since a huge amount of GN Particles are released, specially designed high specs GN Condensers are used.

C. Clavicle Antenna (?)
Antenna used to control GN Particles. Normally equipped on chest, however, it might interfere with 00's movable Twin Drive system. So the antennas are minimized and built onto the head instead. The chest's antenna are built as support.

D. Drive Arm
Arms used to support Twin Drive, can move the Drives to front, sides and back, changing the function of the Drives. Sides is the standard mode, back for thrusting power from GN Particles, front for Field effect.

E. Back Pack
Equipped on the back where Exia and the 3rd Gen Gundams mounted their GN Drives on. The backpack has a new function where it can also uses GN Particle for thrusting power.

Guess I was wrong with my earlier posting. So it seems that the Twin Drive System provides more GN particles rather than power. I don't know the correlation of GN particles to power but things are making sense. Couple with the fact that there are various condensers built into 00 to try to conserve as much GN particles that's being produced.

Now if the amount of GN particles being produced by both drives are synergistic, it makes sense that the amount of GN particles produces is not doubled (linear) but squared. That still means that 00 battle potential is incredible high!


(Feel free to correct me on this. I wrote most of this late at night.)

[laughing@you]

WOOT!!!

Gundam 00 riser total ownage!!!!!!!!!!


I wonder if its actually moving really fast or is jumping positions like teleportation....

This is totally awesome!!!

[miyavisoap]

dayumn, the first 10 minutes of ep 12 was mad intense!
after that, it's just freakin depressing >.>

[segua]

Now this episode was sweet. Ribbons Almark, can you say your ass got handed to ya?!

Not only does 00-raiser has the ability to see people naked hear the thoughts/voices of other people within a certain radius, but also to quantumly divide itself and it also could transcend normal space/time. All this made possibly but the flood of GN particles, no?

Oh yeah, here's a little present from me to you guys.



http://i35.tinypic.com/6eowhx.jpg

[Bones]

WTF H4X........lol

[predsfan]

Argh, I suppose this episode was meant to make me feel sorry for Saji and Louise, but really it just annoyed the hell out of me. I really can't stand either of them (especially Saji, he really irks me :mad).

That being said the first, let's say about 7 minutes of the episode were awesome. I love 00 (it's beginning to remind of my favorite Gundam ever, Wing Zero).

[vintagemistakes]

I'm all for OO-Raiser being godly and all, but the whole quantum leap thing was a tad bit much... however, I'm sure in a episode or two it will be made to look inferior once a new mobile suit shows up(Grahams?) and they'll have to go back to the drawing board.

It also appears that at least one of the components of OO-Raiser will be captured at some point. My bet is on 0-Raiser. Saji just seems like a perfect candidate to be captured.... which could possibly lead to a face to face meeting with Louise...


About ep. 11... we're lead to believe Anew was the one who gave away the location of CB's base; Mary noticed the quantum brainwaves. So is it possible that Hallelujah was the culprit?

[laughing@you]

I'm all for OO-Raiser being godly and all, but the whole quantum leap thing was a tad bit much... however, I'm sure in a episode or two it will be made to look inferior once a new mobile suit shows up(Grahams?) and they'll have to go back to the drawing board.

It also appears that at least one of the components of OO-Raiser will be captured at some point. My bet is on 0-Raiser. Saji just seems like a perfect candidate to be captured.... which could possibly lead to a face to face meeting with Louise...


About ep. 11... we're lead to believe Anew was the one who gave away the location of CB's base; Mary noticed the quantum brainwaves. So is it possible that Hallelujah was the culprit?

The teleportion was the next step, i mean if the gundam moves any faster, setsuna should be a living soup. I think is a nice feature.

Well the o-raiser might captured but will not reveal anything, they will have to capture gundam 00, to actually gather any info.

Hallelujah wasn't the culprit the new addition to Celestial being is the culprit. If you noticed the shot done by the innovator seemed focused on the 0-raiser location in the ship, which the innovators counter-part was staring at when he started looking for their location.

[miyavisoap]

dayyyyyumn, thanks a lott segua-san lol.

and i still dont get Anew. i mean, she's different from all the other innovators who show off their unhuman-ness. and she also seems so... nice, i guess.

[Koen]

Sweet episode. Gundam 00 raizer is kinda overpowered imo. Then again I wonder if it is 100% mechanic. I have some feeling this has also something to do with quantum brain activity (or whatever it is called). Setsuna is prolly one who reached some stage where he can fight equal with innovators. Though I wouldn't be surprised if graham and ali would also reach that level, that'll make their mobile suit better.
[hr]
btw I really wonder if mei's servant will have a rol in this season. I wouldn't count him out. He's somewhere and the fact he's not around with his boss makes me believe that guy will play an important role too

[ibra87]

Not to mention, koen, that i have a feeling Mei would like to repay Ribbons for his kind, pimpy attitude <.<

[miyavisoap]

haha i know! when ribbons said "you stubborn bitch" (im not sure if this is what the sub said cuz i watched the raw-_-) i was like, woah, mei's not just going to sit there and listen to this trashtalk lol

[segua]

Ya know, after some thought, I really think Gundam 00 is like a modern Gundam Wing but the whole plot has been switched around.

For one, Gundam Wing Zero has the zero system which is one helluva strategic system that integrates with the pilot Those who can't handle all that information is driven mad. Gundam 0 is similar to Wing Zero in that Gundam 0 had that same strategic power minus the lunacy effect. Not only that but the rest of the Gundams in those series were based off from either Gundam Wing Zero or Gundam 0 (though Gundam Zero was never built until later by the scientists).

Also, in the start of Gundam Wing, the Colonies were fighting the Earth Federation or whatever they were called. Than afterward, the whole world is trying to strive for peace. In Gundam 00, The first season started out with CB trying to eliminate war thus worldwide peace, in the second half, CB is trying to eliminate AL.

Even more startling is that in GW, in the end, there was an Epyon v Wing Gundam Zero. They both used the Zero system and their fighting capabilites were very similar. It could also be that in G00, Grahm Aker's MS would be similar to Setsuna's Gundam 00.

Another thing is, Grahm Aker is a white male and is an extremely good MS pilot. When he wears a mask, it seems as if his persona changes and he dons the name Mista Bushido. Zechs Marquise is also a white male and is also an extremely good MS pilot. When he takes his mask, he dons his birth identity, Milliardo Peacecraft. His persona also changes with and without the helmet.

Back to the topic and the current episode, I loved how Regene Regetta teased Ribbons Almark how he could only access Veda up to level 7. I wonder if Regene Regetta could further access Veda. Then again, how many access levels are there?

[laughing@you]

Prayers answered...gundam 00 can take on an innovator without trans am.

woot!!!

[miyavisoap]

i knoww!!! and damn, finally tieria and lockon did somethin mad cool :xp

[laughing@you]

i knoww!!! and damn, finally tieria and lockon did somethin mad cool :xp

yeah at last they do something useful.


I don't know about you guys but....that gundam face on the back of tieria's gundam creeps the hell out of me......is like a halloween version of a gundam....boo..i see you...lol

again what the purpose of that face again? the writers haven't exploited tieria's gundam, as much....i loved lockon's gundam protection devices....

[segua]

Maybe Tiera's new gundam could combine with the new Ptolemaios to form a large gundam?


What a crazy tactic! At least it worked. Too suicidal in my opinion, but I suppose that's Sumeragi Noriega's style. But I'm really glad that an annoying character died.

[bax]

again what the purpose of that face again? the writers haven't exploited tieria's gundam, as much....i loved lockon's gundam protection devices....



It's most probably for Seravee's Seraphim system, which is currently, having problems (the latest volume of the novel - could be different from the anime). But given that some of the facts related to anime from the novels atm are accurate, I guess we can say that it's that.

Seraphim is a six winged angel, and similar to Seraphim, Seravee has six cannons/bazookas. 2 held bazookas and 2 each for the shoulders and legs. I'm not sure what to make of it, but Seravee does indeed has another form (like Virtue-Nadleeh). Seraphim system probably requires this new form instead of the basic Seravee.

[laughing@you]

Man this sucks if graham gets something like trans-am....i'm gonna be really pist!!!

[segua]

Orsm opening credit. Naked people and butterfly? Only means one thing. Gundam 00 in trans-am mode. Love the new opening song. Kick ass. I have to personally say this is the best episode thus far. What an insane plot twist. Anyway, Ian's reaction was classic.

I wonder when Graham will finally wake up from his foolishness. Fighting for himself. He might change sides at the end once he's done playing Mr. Busido.

And finally, Seraphim showed itself!

[bax]

I'm not really sure about the song of the new OP.. It's a hate or love thing... I have the full song on my PC, and it's a good song by its own, but when the video comes in... ermm... let just say I'm not fond of it, but not dislike it.


But though, it's interesting to see the new OP. Naked people is like a trend in gundam, not really surprised it started with that xD Though, it just cements Returner as my top girl in Gundam 00 >.>;;

But the OP also strengthen my thoughts about Sumeragi dying at some point in the second half of season 2. Probably in 2 or 3 more episodes. Looking at the future episode titles, I can guess which ep someone has to die (and my pick is Sumeragi), although yes, take it as a passing thought :p It could just be some other bad things.

It seems Returner still doesn't realized that she's the one that lead the Innovator to Ptolemy. Either that, she's a sleeper agent (I doubt it, she's most probably oblivious to this fact atm).


Oh, if anyone doesn't know yet, the pilot of GN Archer will be Soma Peries, not Returner

And there's a rumor going on that Graham's new MS Musarao is using twin drives as well.

Also, anyone got the feeling of we'll see the "three ships alliance" thing from Seed? (Akatsuki, Eternal and Kusanagi (Orb)) >.>;;;
We already have CB and Katharon, and looks like ESF is planning a rebellion >.>;
*shrugs* Maybe I just watched too much gundams >.>




From amiami [Arios (Allelujah) + Archer (Soma Peries)]
http://www.amiami.com/images/product/review/091/TOY-GDM-0254_02.jpg

http://www.amiami.com/images/product/review/091/TOY-GDM-0254_03.jpg

http://www.amiami.com/images/product/review/091/TOY-GDM-0254_04.jpg

http://www.amiami.com/images/product/review/091/TOY-GDM-0254_07.jpg


From NgeeKhiong (conformation of GN Archer's pilot)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1898/3179664324f714e473e1oa9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[laughing@you]

Graham with twin drives? That would be so retarded. i mean they barely managed to get gundam 00 to work properly only after using some add-on. I think this scientist just discovered a way to emulate trans-am.



Anybody else thinks tieria's seraphim looks a little gay? Here i was hoping for something cool and he needs to trap his opponent.

Don't know i was expecting something more.

[bax]

Yeah, that's how the rumors go. Musarao is using twin drives. But yes, it will be either twin drives or trans-am like ability (technically it can't be trans-am since trans-am means removing the limiter on the GN Drives, which the GN Drives Tau doesn't have). But it's also possible that Prof. Eifman found a way to grant it with similar abilities.

I dislike the design of Sepahim. It looks too "simple" IMO.

[laughing@you]

I also found funny how tieria shouted i'm a human.

Is it me or this is gundam heading to a innovator vs humans type of deal?

could it be that there's an army of innovators out there?

I have to admit tierias has to be a top notch pilot too, cuz even as innovators the advantage is on their side they also have veda to better their chances.

I'm also kinda of happy they explained how setsuna saw a gundam when the rest of the world hadn't. Ribbon was just playing with setsuna.

[bax]

Nah, there are only 8 Innovator-type people, and they come in pairs (looks-wise). Ribbons-Healing, Tieria-Regetta, Divine-Bring and Revive-Returner. Not sure what's the story behind the pairs though other than each pair share the same genetics.

And yes, it's a common theme in gundam... It has always been advanced people (advance human, space colonies) vs the native people (earth dwellers, unmodified people). It's a recurring theme in every gundam series.

Actually I like Seraphim's abilities. It's something that is needed to fight Innovators. To break through GN Field is just what the gundam needs.

[laughing@you]

Nah, there are only 8 Innovator-type people, and they come in pairs (looks-wise). Ribbons-Healing, Tieria-Regetta, Divine-Bring and Revive-Returner. Not sure what's the story behind the pairs though other than each pair share the same genetics.

And yes, it's a common theme in gundam... It has always been advanced people (advance human, space colonies) vs the native people (earth dwellers, unmodified people). It's a recurring theme in every gundam series.

Actually I like Seraphim's abilities. It's something that is needed to fight Innovators. To break through GN Field is just what the gundam needs.

Yeah you are right.

But seraphim's abilities seem a little lame don't you think? i mean is that it?

It can only fight like that 1 on 1. and now that the secret is out the next innovators they will just make the proper adjustments to counter it.

[miyavisoap]

ohhmg, i looove the opening and ending!!!

i mean, honestly, i dont even remember what the episode was about.

i was just fascinated by the opening and the naked-ness of it :xp

[bax]

But seraphim's abilities seem a little lame don't you think? i mean is that it?

It can only fight like that 1 on 1. and now that the secret is out the next innovators they will just make the proper adjustments to counter it.


There's another function, which is not revealed yet, not even in the novel yet (as far as the part I've read).

But so far it seems ,that it only showed us two. Seraphim can move much faster than Seravee and can breakthrough GN Fields, and at the same time still retains control of the Seravee shell to participate in battle along with Seraphim (unlike Virtue, which literally purged away). A nice system actually.

[segua]

Seraphim's design is suitable I think. It's very compact but yet very powerful. I think it was a huge improvement over the Viture/Nadleeh combination. Not only that but Seraphim's has extra fire power to boot and its' agility should make it dangerous. I think of Seravee as the heavy artillery whereas Seraphim is the light artillery.

Now it's also interesting how Seraphim, in trans-am mode, was able to penetrate a GN field just enough to open fire. Out of the Gundams, only Seraphim and 00/0-Riser was seen with the ability to penetrate a GN field, but Seraphim did it without a blade.

Is it me or is Katagiri obsessed with Kujo? Probably just a very frustrated middle aged man who needs some lovin.

This episode was very important also because it set the stage for what's coming. I wonder with Sergei's, possibly, involvement in the coup d'tat, how will Cathy respond? How will Sergei's son react?

[bax]

It's probably due to the GN Particles compressed at both ends of Seraphim's hands that made it possible. GN Swords have these compressed particles surrounding it to cut through GN Fields. Standard weapons of the gundams don't shoot particles, might explain why they can't penetrate GN Fields unless the fields are weak.


I'm more interested in this shot though:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/269/20090113153131hc4.png

It's kinda fast so many people missed it. I can count 7 instead of 6 (including the now deceased Bring). Hmm... a plot twist involving Returner? I can't really make out the 3rd from the left... but it's Returner IMO, since there are only 8 Innovators.

Revive - Regetta - Returner - Ribbons - Divine - Healing - Bring

Guess she's a sleeper agent after all >.>; And most probably the point where Soma Peries actually piloted the Archer instead of Returner.

[segua]

Another thing too was that Seraphim was in trans-am mode. I doubt Seraphim could've accomplish the feat of penetrating the GN field otherwise.

[allendsup23]

For the Graham MS, it seems it has only one GN drive but I think it has the capability of going into Trans Arm.

I do not know how to put picture here but if you look into the opening when Graham MS is shown. It is clear in one of the frame that Graham MS has the GN particles in the back and not sideways (like Gundam 00). Which led me to believe it has one GN Drive. Now to powerup, it has to be trans ARM in that case.

Things are heating up in the Gundam 00. Not sure if they can clear all the things by episode 25. We still need to know the true motive of Aoelia behind CB.

[laughing@you]

Well i guess graham is coming into play to even things out, cuz right now theres nothing that matches gundam 00.

Even Setsuna's piloting skills have been bumped up. I mean injured, without trans-am he was giving sarshes a pretty good fight.

Anybody noticed that gundam 00 is probably the only gundam that can move after trans-am mode is used to its limits?

[miyavisoap]

new OP mp3 file (http://www.sendspace.com/file/flabmk)

[segua]

Well i guess graham is coming into play to even things out, cuz right now theres nothing that matches gundam 00.

Even Setsuna's piloting skills have been bumped up. I mean injured, without trans-am he was giving sarshes a pretty good fight.

Anybody noticed that gundam 00 is probably the only gundam that can move after trans-am mode is used to its limits?

I think it might be due to the fact that 00 has the ability to produce very great quantities of GN particles. Since the combination of 0 and Exia's GN drive, the GN output is squared. So the dual GN drives could be one solution to overcome the weakening of the Gundams after tran-am use.

@miyavisoap: I love guitar handling in the beginning and in the middle.

[laughing@you]

Woot i called it....graham's new suit has trans-am!!!

now how the F@$# could he get it?

[vintagemistakes]

can't really say I'm surprised that Graham Mr. Bushido got Trans-am... at some point he or Ali al had to get some system that could rival 00 Raiser's.

I just hope that the tech doesn't trickle down to the everyday Joe... that would mean serious upgrades for our Gundam team if they were to stand a chance against A-Laws...

Allejuhah at least has GN-Archer in his back pocket(Combine that with Marie piloting it and they should be a fearsome duo... especially when Allelujah/Hallelujah + Soma/Marie fight together), but Tieria and Lockon on the other hand, would be in serious trouble. They just don't seem to have the skills/equipment the other two have...

[segua]

Graham's Mr. Bushido's MS is a special one. I doubt the technology from it could be passed down. It might make it to few select models such as MS used by the Innovators.

What a surprising development. I didn't think the coup de'tat was going to be so soon. This kind of threw A-Laws operation to a halt, or at the very least, Catherine is shocked.

I think Graham is another human who could rival the Innovator. I doubt the trans-am in Graham's new machine could stack up to 00-Raiser.

[vintagemistakes]

To me, Graham is another Zechs Marquise type character from Gundam Wing. He's going to battle CB and their Gundams til the very end, but ultimately, he'll side with them...

[laughing@you]

Graham's Mr. Bushido's MS is a special one. I doubt the technology from it could be passed down. It might make it to few select models such as MS used by the Innovators.

What a surprising development. I didn't think the coup de'tat was going to be so soon. This kind of threw A-Laws operation to a halt, or at the very least, Catherine is shocked.

I think Graham is another human who could rival the Innovator. I doubt the trans-am in Graham's new machine could stack up to 00-Raiser.


Just like the false furnaces weren't reproduced?

After the technology is out, is out!!

Mr. Bushido will be the first one at the beginning, but won't be the last. I'm pretty sure the innovators will be mighty interested in the trans-am feature.

[segua]

Just like the false furnaces weren't reproduced?

After the technology is out, is out!!

Mr. Bushido will be the first one at the beginning, but won't be the last. I'm pretty sure the innovators will be mighty interested in the trans-am feature.

What I meant to say was that the A-Laws version of the trans-am system will be reproduced in a limited production. Though it would be interesting if everyone got a trans-am enabled MS.

[laughing@you]

What I meant to say was that the A-Laws version of the trans-am system will be reproduced in a limited production. Though it would be interesting if everyone got a trans-am enabled MS.

Don't worry i got your point!!

But IMO there has to be something in the false furnace that should hinder mr bushido in someway. cuz then whats the difference between a true furnace and a false one?

Probably the time limit is shorter than the originals?

aw man i was so disappointed that alleluyah didn't come out to play....

It was so sweet how tieria faith on setsuna. an innovator choosing humanity over superior race.....

[segua]

I would say that the Innovators are a new sub-species of homo-sapiens. I'm sure that humans and innovators could co-habit with each other right? So to be a superior race, it should be something like comparing humans to monkeys not unless you strongly believe that humans evolved from monkeys.

But man, EP 15 was sure a great build up of tension. Seems like it's so much effort to make Aeolia's Schenburg's (I know I got the spelling wrong) plan a reality. Stubborn humans.

Though I have to say that it was a great plan. To make all other non-conforming countries shipped off to space, that's what Britain kind of did with the Americas and Australia. First you send the explorers, then the criminals, convicts and other non-desirable people, and then once things get established and settled, people will start a flocking to space, or that's how I see it.

[ibra87]

So, nobody noticed how funny this episode was? I laughed so hard when Setsuna was telling his life story and how hard it was killing his parents and all, then Marina Ismail responded to it by telling how hard her life was: she wanted to be a singer but ended up as a princess :rofl Someone should seriously add a character poll. Marina would definitely be #1..!

[segua]

So, nobody noticed how funny this episode was? I laughed so hard when Setsuna was telling his life story and how hard it was killing his parents and all, then Marina Ismail responded to it by telling how hard her life was: she wanted to be a singer but ended up as a princess :rofl Someone should seriously add a character poll. Marina would definitely be #1..!

No wonder she is so good looking lol. I totally missed that because at the time I watched the current episode, there were only raws.

[predsfan]

So, nobody noticed how funny this episode was? I laughed so hard when Setsuna was telling his life story and how hard it was killing his parents and all, then Marina Ismail responded to it by telling how hard her life was: she wanted to be a singer but ended up as a princess :rofl Someone should seriously add a character poll. Marina would definitely be #1..!

That was indeed funny. The part that had me laughing the most was the gSS sub, where at the end they have it translated as Setsuna saying Trans-grahAm.

I'm starting to hate Graham and Billy just as much as I do Saji and Louise. Their whole reason for fighting is just ridiculous (especially Billy's). The coup d'etat is an interesting plot. I hope they don't turn out to be bad guys (if there are really 'bad' guys in a Gundam series).

Anyways the fight should be awesome next episode.

[hatsuharupeace]

I don't think that the part of the Federation who coup d'etat-ed are going to be the usual "bad" guys of the series, sure they've taken over the oribital elevator, but I see this as a plot attempt to help the A-Laws gain some new power, in which CB will get overwhelmed, then have another ace up in the sleeves where we end up at the last battle, with either side at a power deadlock.

Also, with Graham's/Mr Bushido's Trans-Am, I doubt it'll be as potentially dangerous as it might be, since the Tau GN-Drive requires recharging, unlike the original GN-Drive. Even if both Gundam 00-Raiser and Graham's new suit both use Trans-Am, Setsuna still has the overall advantage, mainly because of two reasons; he has the multiplier effect which the Twin-Drive System brings, plus the extra multiplier effect which the 00 Raiser brings, and also, he doesn't have the drawback of having to recharge after using Trans-Am.

[segua]

I don't think that the part of the Federation who coup d'etat-ed are going to be the usual "bad" guys of the series, sure they've taken over the oribital elevator, but I see this as a plot attempt to help the A-Laws gain some new power, in which CB will get overwhelmed, then have another ace up in the sleeves where we end up at the last battle, with either side at a power deadlock.

Also, with Graham's/Mr Bushido's Trans-Am, I doubt it'll be as potentially dangerous as it might be, since the Tau GN-Drive requires recharging, unlike the original GN-Drive. Even if both Gundam 00-Raiser and Graham's new suit both use Trans-Am, Setsuna still has the overall advantage, mainly because of two reasons; he has the multiplier effect which the Twin-Drive System brings, plus the extra multiplier effect which the 00 Raiser brings, and also, he doesn't have the drawback of having to recharge after using Trans-Am.

That's what I think. Also, to say 00-Raise has a multiplier effect is like talking down the synergistic effect of the twin-drive system as the GN output is squared not multiplied.

Excuse me if I sound like a stickler.

[hatsuharupeace]

Multiplied, squared, basically the same thing. :amuse

What would you say the 00-Raiser does to the actual Gundam then?

[laughing@you]

Multiplied, squared, basically the same thing. :amuse

What would you say the 00-Raiser does to the actual Gundam then?

The way i see it 00-raiser actually regulates the sync of the twin drives, allowing trans-am to reach higher levels...of awesomeness!!!:p


Anyhow i agree that even graham with trans-am shouldn't be to dangerous to 00-gundam, its a higher threat, especially when 00-gundam can dematerialize and materialize anywhere he wants....., but setsuna is injured, it might affect the outcome. but i highly doubt 00-gundam will be trashed.

[hatsuharupeace]

Ohhh, so the 00-Raiser provides extra stability to the synchronization of the Twin Drive, and allows it to operate at higher level. Sweet, 00-Raiser looks damn sexy on the 00 Gundam, good thing it's useful, and not just a sexy bit of metal. <3

Yeah, with Setsuna still recovering, Graham will definately put up more of a fight than Ali did, especially with the power of Trans-Am behind him. But I think Setsuna won't risk using Trans-Am; I would say that he wouldn't want to risk injuring himself further, the Trans-Am does put a pretty hard toil on the body, especially since it's moving at such high speeds.

[laughing@you]

Ohhh, so the 00-Raiser provides extra stability to the synchronization of the Twin Drive, and allows it to operate at higher level. Sweet, 00-Raiser looks damn sexy on the 00 Gundam, good thing it's useful, and not just a sexy bit of metal. <3

Yeah, with Setsuna still recovering, Graham will definately put up more of a fight than Ali did, especially with the power of Trans-Am behind him. But I think Setsuna won't risk using Trans-Am; I would say that he wouldn't want to risk injuring himself further, the Trans-Am does put a pretty hard toil on the body, especially since it's moving at such high speeds.

I don't think setsuna has a choice. Even with 00-raiser, i don't think its enough to fend off graham's trans-am mode. He will need to go trans-am. But i don't see this battle not going too long.

[hatsuharupeace]

Yeah, especially with the limited time which Trans-Am has. I think epi 16 will focus half of the episode towards the Setsuna-Graham/Mr. Bushido fight, and the other half for the situation of the coup d'etat in the orbital elevator, plus some footage of the Ptolemy heading towards the elevator.

[miyavisoap]

At the beginning of the season, Graham was extremely interesting, but now he's just annoying and wierd >.> I mean, he is a freak! He is obsessed with Setsuna!!!

btw, I don't really like the ending theme, but the sexuality is pretty intense :jk

[laughing@you]

Snap i think graham is dying or trans-am is too much for him. He seemed broken up when using trans-am, like his body couldn't take it.

Probably we can see why trans-am is better made for the gundam than that cheap imitation, maybe no inertia dampeners, so graham's body can't take it.

or they are pulling a zechs marchis thing from gundam wing were he gets really messed up the first time he piloted a gundam.

[miyavisoap]

the whole coup d’état thing is getting kinda boring...

and a quick question:
is louis pregnant in the OP or am i just seeing things?

[laughing@you]

the whole coup d’état thing is getting kinda boring...

and a quick question:
is louis pregnant in the OP or am i just seeing things?

Yeah well the coup is about to end really quick......

and yes you are seeing things.

This whole arrangement is to clearly established the good guys from the bad.

This will push marie to fight, even mr. scientist that wants to destroy celestial being cuz sumeragi ignored him and didn't tell him, will re-evaluate his cause.

Graham will still fight against setsuna cuz he just wants to fight.

Instead of dying a cowards death, he wants to go out with a bang. I don't think he has to much life left in him. The procedures he had to take to survive setsuna's last fight with him in S1, must have a cost, plus trans-am had him already in bad shape. Bad combi for him.

[miyavisoap]

Graham is now just like the least exciting character... we know that setsuna's gonna be keep on winning or get other meisters' help and graham's gonna say "next time i'll win, boy."

[laughing@you]

Graham is now just like the least exciting character... we know that setsuna's gonna be keep on winning or get other meisters' help and graham's gonna say "next time i'll win, boy."

Yeah we all know graham's trans-am is not gonna be on par with gundam's 00. The only way graham would win against setsuna is with strategy with multiple targets.

But 1 on 1 gundam 00 hands down.

Graham might have a better chance against any other gundam except gundam 00.

[bax]

Graham can't stand the force of his trans-am is definitely because of his inferior suit compared to the Gundam. His physical-wise surely is as strong as the meisters, if not stronger. Not sure why it happened. Either the suit G-force control (since the trans-am is untested mechanism for the GN-Drive Tau) or the particle effect is taking place.

Not sure how he'll fare with the other Gundams if the circumstances are similar. But yes, his skills compared to the other 3, should be able to cover his handicap.

Kinda disappointed that the fight ended in a very anticlimax manner. I expected it to be like that, but that was kinda poorly executed, IMO.

On the other things in the story, looks like things will get really heated up soon. All the future episode titles seem to have interesting thoughts.

EP 17: 散りゆく光の中で (In Midst of Scattered Light)
EP 18: 交錯する想い (Mixed Feelings)
EP 19: イノベイターの影 (Shadow of the Innovators)
EP 20: アニュー・リターン (Anew Return)

Episode 20 = love :3 Though, a pun for her name? >.>

[asuka23]

Graham is now just like the least exciting character... we know that setsuna's gonna be keep on winning or get other meisters' help and graham's gonna say "next time i'll win, boy."


quoting my own post from another forum.


Its a shame that a great character like Hercules is nothing more than a mere plot device for the show. when all the show has are tons of cannon fodder characters that get no real development, we get one that has a great concept behind him, and he'll probably last no more than this story arc, at best. pretty pathetic.

speaking of pathetic, Graham, yeah, that description fits him perfectly. He was one of my favorite characters in S1 and was one of the aspects of S2 that I looked forward to the most. now, well, he's degraded himself to a piece of filth that simply equals a stalker. it looks like the writers took Gauron from FMP!, split him into two pieces (Ali and Graham), only this time around, the finished product are both cheap China-town quality rip-offs.

next episode will be something to look forward to, not because of the supposed "ZOMFG EPIC BATTLEZ!!! PEW PEW!", but how the tools at A-LAWS will react to the planned destruction of the orbital tower.

[bax]

Episode 17 is by far the best ep this season :D

That teamwork was awesome, but I guess now it opens a new story. A lot of people now witnessed what Innovator is willing to do, even if no civilians probably will know the whole story due to the cover up. Innovaotr just made themselves a lot of enemies.

Sadly, the only probable A-Laws who have the chance to break off from the main organization is Kati's squad, just a battalion. Better than nothing I guess. I wonder if the main Federation body would react too =/ So far only the rebels...

I guess ep 18's title now explained itself. After seeing that damn Innovator's doing... I guess everyone who knows the real story would ask themselves about it, if not immediately having a change of heart

[miyavisoap]

Episode 17 is by far the best ep this season :D

That teamwork was awesome, but I guess now it opens a new story. A lot of people now witnessed what Innovator is willing to do, even if no civilians probably will know the whole story due to the cover up. Innovaotr just made themselves a lot of enemies.

Sadly, the only probable A-Laws who have the chance to break off from the main organization is Kati's squad, just a battalion. Better than nothing I guess. I wonder if the main Federation body would react too =/ So far only the rebels...

I guess ep 18's title now explained itself. After seeing that damn Innovator's doing... I guess everyone who knows the real story would ask themselves about it, if not immediately having a change of heart


i gotta agree with all of ur opinions, baxxie-san :amuse

but let me add something and hopefully some ppl will agree with me:
i am sooooooo depressed by Sergei's death. he was the most humane and logical person there! i mean, i wouldnt be this upset if he was killed by A-laws or something, but he was killed by his own fucking son! right in front of marie!!! ahh- andrei is just a freaky stalker who is obsessed with louis!!! how dare he kills Smirnov Colonel!!!

[bax]

i am sooooooo depressed by Sergei's death. he was the most humane and logical person there! i mean, i wouldnt be this upset if he was killed by A-laws or something, but he was killed by his own fucking son! right in front of marie!!! ahh- andrei is just a freaky stalker who is obsessed with louis!!! how dare he kills Smirnov Colonel!!!


Sadly, I only half agree xDD


I think it's good and bad honestly >.>; I kinda like that he was kileld by his own son, but I dislike the way he died. I mean... hey... he's been around since the beginning and an important person to boot! Nearly captured the gundams too... and he died in the epilogue of an episode? In a minute or two of an anti-climax battle? So cruel his fate was >.>;

But heh, this is going to be a plot device -___- Marie already piloted the Archer this episode, she just needs a reason to do it again. What's better than revenge? >.>; And plus, she might just evokes her Super Soldier Peries personality again, which means.... Hallelujah is just around the corner. Can't say I'm complaining anything xD

[miyavisoap]

nyaaa- im still depressed :oh

[laughing@you]

I'm just gonna feel so happy when that ingrate son finds out his father was there under orders. lol

Yes you dumbass you killed your father who was following orders.

Man Marie is gonna have a field day on this guys behind. I don't think even alleluyah will be able to stop marie from fighting now. I find a little to convenient the writers cut the scene where setsuna destroyed louise's gun. that would have been a great chance for those two to talk.

Also i think ribbons is gonna be betrayed. The rest of the innovators are acting like they were one, but only ribbons is acting like he is the only one.

[allendsup23]

awesome episode. Best in Season 2 (probably season 1 also). It ended so fast. looks like end of the series is coming soon. Soma Peries will be back :-)

[shouryuujo]

they should kill off Mr.Bushido aka "i am a moron" asap. He adds NOTHING to the storyline - maybe an outlet to Billy's anger, but then again if Billy was removed i doubt no one would care/notice. Grahm in season 1 started out kinda cool and showed some justice but toward the end he seemed to drastically change and now all he wants is to fight setsuna. Unless setsuna knocks off his senses or he decides to fight side by side (against ribbons?) , i dont want to see another ending of season 1 with them dueling..

[laughing@you]

they should kill off Mr.Bushido aka "i am a moron" asap. He adds NOTHING to the storyline - maybe an outlet to Billy's anger, but then again if Billy was removed i doubt no one would care/notice. Grahm in season 1 started out kinda cool and showed some justice but toward the end he seemed to drastically change and now all he wants is to fight setsuna. Unless setsuna knocks off his senses or he decides to fight side by side (against ribbons?) , i dont want to see another ending of season 1 with them dueling..

I agree on the Mr. Bushido part. His no longer anything on the story. His cut himself from any side. His his own side now. His been kept on the army side because his probably the best pilot they have. But the bushido mask and act is really striving to be ridiculous.

The only thing he did was loose in S1, and when got his hands on a false furnace he still got whooped by setsuna.

Now his not serving any purpose. This guy is gonna pull a vegeta pretty soon or zechs marquees, then all of a sudden his gonna find his way.

I see him at the end of series as some diplomat to keep the peace or some crap like that!!

[shouryuujo]

marina shouldve been axed too... how freaking stupid is it to play the goddamn piano and sing outside of the secret base? Do they want to be found? plus she looks like "somebody dead" ALL THE TIME....

[bax]

As expected, no battles in this one. But the ending is good.... Came out of nowhere though >.>;; And I officially want to kill Lockon (even though I expected it'll turn this way) for the reason you should know by now >.>;;

Looks like Soma is back, I'm just wondering if we can get to see Hallelujah again :( After the tease during the first 00 Raiser test, nothing on him .____.

Can't say anything much, it's a transition episode. The final arc should be starting next week if anything. Starting with Innovator making their big move apparently.

[predsfan]

As expected, no battles in this one. But the ending is good.... Came out of nowhere though >.>;; And I officially want to kill Lockon (even though I expected it'll turn this way) for the reason you should know by now >.>;;

I will start off by saying I haven't seen the latest episode, but saying you want to kill Lock-On :o. He is the only source of comic relief I have seen in the second season. Therefore, he has become my favorite character this season ;).

One quick question, though. He is Neal right? I can't remember his actual name.

[bax]

I will start off by saying I haven't seen the latest episode, but saying you want to kill Lock-On :o. He is the only source of comic relief I have seen in the second season. Therefore, he has become my favorite character this season ;).


He did something unforgivable ;_____;
I mean... ehhh... suddenly like that >.>; How dare him :o


One quick question, though. He is Neal right? I can't remember his actual name.


Neil Dylandy is dead. The current one is Lyle Dylandy, his twin brother.

[vintagemistakes]

Those Dylandy boys sure are smooth... First it was Neil putting the moves on Feldt(much to my chegrin) and now its Lyle and Anew(Sorry Bax). The rest of the male CB contingent really doesn't stand a chance. It must be their Irish charm or something. Oh well, at least Tieria and Setsuna have Veda and Gundam respectfully.

Since Veda has come into the forefront once again: I wonder if or when CB ever gets control over it.. will the Gundams get another power-up from it and/or will we see Ribbons lose it when he no longer has control over it?

[bax]

I'm more interested to see what Liu Mei is planning.... That girl is seriously a pain -_-;
With her own agenda.... I dunno what's her aim is, but she does seems greedy... Playing both sides... Luckily Ribbons is not that stupid although CB is still oblivious >.>

Although... I found it funny that there are 2 deprived people shown at the end of the ep xDD

Saji: Louise
Louise: Saji
Andrei: Kaa-san
Peries: Taisa
Allelujah: Marie
Lockon: Anew
Tieria: Veda
Setsuna: Gundam

Take 2 obvious guesses >.>;

[laughing@you]

Again did we just witnessed setsuna catching an innovator transmission?

Could it be that setsuna is slowly transforming into innovator mode? :p

[miyavisoap]

@bax
i knoww, i was like, veda and gundam? what the hell's wrong with you guys!!! i totally thought the setsuna was going to say marina but i guess he definitely lacks sensibility...*tsk tsk*


and idk what you guys think but that definitely was one of my top episodes of all! it was fast-paced and it just felt like that were more aiming at the female fans >.> jk, but i feel soooooo bad for anew... she is being used and she doesnt even realize a single thing! but her relationship with lockon is so cute <33



so my conclusion is that innovators who know what in the fucking world they are doing should go to hell :notrust.

[shouryuujo]

i hope Anew doesn't bite the dust... there is a future episode with her name in it though. Maybe they could use her to hack into veda since she is an innovator? The only thing i can see anew dying is she flying out in a MS but we know CB doesnt have any extra units though.

Also, which side is Wang liu mei on? She certainly isn't on Ribbon's side but she seems to be helping Ribbons against CB... I hope she is not the "final boss" and somehow pilots a gundam with her brother or something..

[miyavisoap]

i really really like anew and i hope she doesnt get in any trouble, especially with lockon!!!

and wang liu mei is freaking getting on my nerves >.> she thinks she's all-that and every single episode, she gets pwned by the innovators... she should just stick to CB already!

[shouryuujo]

i really really like anew and i hope she doesnt get in any trouble, especially with lockon!!!

and wang liu mei is freaking getting on my nerves >.> she thinks she's all-that and every single episode, she gets pwned by the innovators... she should just stick to CB already!

wang liu mei is all that because both sides needs her for money/support. Not even sure how she has that much money tech behind her but she's gonna get what's coming

[shrimpy]

The commerical at the end of ep 18 was the funniest thing i've ever seen.
(except for setsuna saying "gundam" after everyone names a person important to them, lol)

[wing_gundam]

wang liu mei is all that because both sides needs her for money/support. Not even sure how she has that much money tech behind her but she's gonna get what's coming

wang liu mei got what was coming to her....



too bad the gundams need that piece of paper

[vintagemistakes]

Overall, I thought this was a really good episode. It seemed like a bunch of important little things happened and its going to be interesting to see just how the last 6 episodes unfold.

I'm glad Graham Mr. Bushido got some screen time. Even though his appearance may of been relatively pointless - its good to see that the creators are at least involving him in the episodes... where as in S1, he seemed to be just thrown in at the last second for no reason other than they had to move his part of the story forward.

Anyways, I think Nena Trinity officially has to die now. Not because she killed Wang Liu Mei or anything, but because of that maniacal and hysterical laugh at the end. For some reason it just tweaked me the wrong way... I was rather disturbed by it.

However, on the other hand, hearing Hallelujahs maniacal voice was awesome. Something cool usually happens when he pops up... I just hope we get to see more of him; not just when 00 Raiser is Trans-Am'd near him.

[wing_gundam]

You said it, Nena is just wack. I wasn't sure what was going on with the passing of the plans in the first MM laser. It's weird, but b/c of how nuts she is, I actually welcome Ali Al-Sarches.. maybe she can be finished off by him, then him x'd by Setsuna, and Ribbons just has to go, though he'd never get x'd this early.

[bax]

Eh.. I like Nena in this ep. She finally showed some backbone, albeit in a creepy way. After all, no matter how annoying she is, she shot the more annoying girl >.> But she will probably be killed soon....

A lot of people were taken aback from what Anew did, I wonder why :headscratch I mean it's obvious she's an Innovator, and it seems she's not actually a sleeper agent, as we thought before. Next ep should wrap up this transition phase.

Well I can't say much before I spoiled everyone here, so >.>;;

[ibra87]

Am I the only one guessing(/hoping) the one who got shot was Anew? It's probably crazy, but since Lockon knows she's an Innovator (at least when he saw Revival) there's 1% he ran all the way and prevented her from shooting the ossan.

If not, then hopefully he won't wuss out and shoots her in next episode.

[laughing@you]

Am I the only one guessing(/hoping) the one who got shot was Anew? It's probably crazy, but since Lockon knows she's an Innovator (at least when he saw Revival) there's 1% he ran all the way and prevented her from shooting the ossan.

If not, then hopefully he won't wuss out and shoots her in next episode.

um...doubtful.

I didn't understand the previews of next episode, did anew or revival manage to get gundam 00?

And what is setsuna becoming? Ribbons was talking about some kind of mutation started?

[bax]

And what is setsuna becoming? Ribbons was talking about some kind of mutation started?


I believe he is turning into a pseudo-Innovator, if not a full one. Given the fact he can feel something when Revive used her telepathy (or whatever it is) to connect her to Anew, guess he is well underway to be one.

Innovators were made by experimenting with GN particles IIRC. That's why they can use GN particles as a catalyst for their usage, notably connection to Veda and the telepathic power.

Prolonged uncontrolled exposure will result to death probably. With the Twin Drive, Setsuna is exposed to more particles. But looks like it has an opposite effect on Setsuna instead. Those around him also are affected, especially the 3 super humans (Allelujah, Marie and Tieria).

[miyavisoap]

what the hell is wrong with ribbons? why is he so freaking jealous of everything? :yelling

i personally liked this episode just because wang lui mei was pwned. but the episode itself was kinda strange... it felt like one of those first and last episodes of a season...

anyway, andrea gets in my nerve more and more. that freaking pedo is totally screwing everything up!

oh, but i was happy to see hallelujah back :amuse

i knew that this kind of thing will happen to anew but im still so depressed :crying

[laughing@you]

I believe he is turning into a pseudo-Innovator, if not a full one. Given the fact he can feel something when Revive used her telepathy (or whatever it is) to connect her to Anew, guess he is well underway to be one.

Innovators were made by experimenting with GN particles IIRC. That's why they can use GN particles as a catalyst for their usage, notably connection to Veda and the telepathic power.

Prolonged uncontrolled exposure will result to death probably. With the Twin Drive, Setsuna is exposed to more particles. But looks like it has an opposite effect on Setsuna instead. Those around him also are affected, especially the 3 super humans (Allelujah, Marie and Tieria).

Agreed. But ribbons was talking like if he knew of some type of exposure setsuna had before and it should be in the fatal stages now.

But me personally don't want to see nobody else in gundam 00 except for setsuna!!

[shouryuujo]

i think the plan is for anew+revival to take over 0-raiser but from preview setsuna's in it so that plan probably failed... but then what MS do the 2 escape in? Also, although Wang liu mei is arrogant ***** and possibly had what's coming but i think she is not dead (her brother protected her) - at least not until she somehow leaves the destination to CB via recording or whatnot. I have a feeling Nena's gonna get double crossed by Ribbons and get offed by Ali - nena is just an ungrateful *****. I hope anew doesn't die but I think anew might come back to her senses and take down revive with her because if she goes back to CB she could just be controlled again and also giving away their position all the time.

[vintagemistakes]

Agreed. But ribbons was talking like if he knew of some type of exposure setsuna had before and it should be in the fatal stages now.

But me personally don't want to see nobody else in gundam 00 except for setsuna!!
I think Ribbons was referring to when Ali Al shot Setsuna and was exposed to the faux GN-drive particles through his wound.

Lasse was also exposed to those particles at the end of S1 and seems to be living on borrowed time if not for whatever drastic procedures he's been undertaking.

sidenote:
If Setsuna is changing because of his exposure to GN particles, is he becoming the "true" next stage in Humanity's evolution or just a regular Innovator?

IIRC, in the Tieria cross dressing episode, Regene told Tieria that the Innovators were the third part of Aoelias plan. That the first part was CB's intervention, second was the world uniting through A-Laws, and the third was Humanity's advancement into space. That the Innovators would be at the forefront of this move because their bodies are uniquely adopted to live in the harsh environment of space.

Ribbons, seems to view himself as the ultimate being and the only one to accomplish this feat. However, he was only able to access up to level 7 of Veda and wasn’t aware of the Twin Drive system.

While Setsuna on the other hand, was not only granted the full capabilities of the GN-drive, he was also entrusted with the Twin Drive system it self. And now, he seems to be physically benefiting from those devices.

So, was this all a part of Aoelia’s Schenbergs master plan from the start? Basically a 4th stage one could say. That he foreshadowed his eventual betrayal (Alexander/Ribbons) because of the greed and pettiness that was still enveloping Humanity, he hoped that the true heirs of his will (Gundam Meisters) would endure and lead Humanity to its “true” next stage. So in essence, is Setsuna becoming more than a Innovator and something superior?

[segua]

Ribbons isn't all he said he is. He weak. Without Veda, he's nothing. Pft, a guy who could only access Veda to level 7.

Anyway, I think Setsuna's piloting of the 00-Raiser might be the cause of his shall we say evolution. Let's just say that interaction with and/or around highly dense positive green GN particles could be how Setsuna was able to survive for so long. The guy is literally becoming one with his gundam almost.

[vintagemistakes]

ep.20 was good, but rather infuriating on several fronts for me.

First and foremost was the whole Anew/Lockon thing. I must of gone back and forth on whether I wanted her to live or die numerous times... Also on whether I wanted Lockon to be the one to pull the trigger. It just annoyed me. But hey, I guess thats what makes good story telling. Her death was sad, but at the same time - she deserved it. Setsuna being the one to do it is OK by me... but he sure did come out of nowhere. which brings me to my next infuriating point.

One second we hear that the 00-Raiser still isn't ready; the innovators have broken free and are approaching Ptolemy. Than in the next second, 00-Raiser miraculously appears, kills Anew, and at some point off screen destroys the innovators mobile suits. What the hell happened? It just seemed rushed. Like they knew they were running out of time and just said "screw it. No one cares about something small like this". When in fact, I wanted to see Setsuna beating the living daylights out of the Innovators. With the exception of Regene(can't wait to see how she/he betrays Ribbons), their attitude is really starting to get on my nerves. Especially Revive's.

Once CB became aware of Anews betrayal and Revive was going through his little spiel about how he's connected to her and all that... I really wanted someone to just come out of nowhere and punch his smug ass.... If Mileina died because of it - than so be it. It would of been well worth it IMHO.

However, with that said, I did enjoy how the Innovators master plan to acquire 0-Raiser and its technology was foiled by a mere Haro. So much for being superior beings...

One last infuriating point. When Allelujah was getting messed up by the bendable beam(which is stupid and infuriating in its own right)... I was so hoping for Hallelujah to make a appearance. He's just pure win IMO as he tends to add a really different/fun dynamic to a somewhat boring Allelujah.

Ohh! a second last thing. Would some please give Soma a proper mobile suit. I don't care if CB has to go steal a faux GN-Drive or something, but shes way too awesome to be piloting a messily add-on.

[segua]

Really emotional end especially when Yuna Ito's song started. This really episode was all about Innovators and Humans. They could live together and understand each other. It once again proves how much of a loser Ribbons is. I think someone just made my new #1 top antagonist list.

Anyway, it was going to be sooner or later that Anew would turn coat-tails. I was hoping that after her little skirmish with Lockon that she'll return. I was on edge whether something bad was going to happen. Just when I thought it was all clear when Anew was about to leave her cockpit seat, it all went down hill.

Really emotional end but it proves a very good point about Innovators and Humans. I don't know whether or not Saji and Louise will champion the relationship that Lockon and Anew had or not. By far, this is turning out to be a really good Gundam series that is focusing one two very unique characters: Saji and Louise.

[miyavisoap]

ohhhh myyyy gooooooddddddddd!

Anew was honestly one of my favorite charas. i just cant believe she died! omg, how come ribbons doesnt die and she does??? i mean i guess i can see why ppl say it made sense for her to die but still! but im not gonna say more since it was setsuna who pulled the trigger and... urg... well, i always think that whatever he does is right. but now the relationship between lockon and setsuna seems to get interesting.

[bax]

I told you she's great, ne? ne? ;______; I just knew it when she first appeared xD
I want a 1:1 figurine of her ;____; The ED song fits well too xD But wait, it almost like the ED song was chosen for this scene >.>

I don't really had any surprise with this episode honestly. Louise is an innovator now - too obvious. Lockon failed to shoot Anew - ain't that most anime (when it comes to this kind of thing) has.... New suit/ship model - That what was going on every time a suit/model was blown up. Bending beam - that's almost a theme in gundam >.>;

Though, I think it was a nice ep overall. Nice to see that despite Marie being Soma, she still has her senses. It's much nicer to actually see the pace is picking up. Only a few more eps to go, I was worried with the pace wass kinda slow and then the ending will be rushed.

Though yeah, eventhough still not justified (since the series has not ended), I can say that this Gundam isn't going to make it into my top 5 after all.

[miyavisoap]

im looking for her figure also. i found one except for it was... too expensive :crying
she is so awesome she is one of my favorite female charas in gundam series, believe it or not.

yeah, the ep was pretty obvious but it was soooo sad, i had to pause and take a deep breath when lockon was punching setsuna and calling anew's name ;_; it was just terribly sad to sit there and watch. im crying a lot while watching g00 these days...

how come it's not gonna make ur top 5?

my current top 5 gundam series, not including this one is...

1. Seed
2. Wing
3. X
4. Seed Destiny
5. Endless Waltz

[ibra87]

Though yeah, eventhough still not justified (since the series has not ended), I can say that this Gundam isn't going to make it into my top 5 after all.

Agreed, since the most important part of Gundam, the masked blonde man, is completely ridiculous in this series (unlike, say, seed, where he has a point and a goal). :oh


This episode felt really empty. They built up too much for this fight and when it finally happens they rush through the good parts, except for one (Anew getting hmm hmm). And everything else they showed like Louise becoming this, Saji realizing that, it's getting really annoying since it's obviously 90% filler.

[segua]

I don't think that this episode was entirely filler. I saw it as more of character development rather than forwarding the plot.

Graham is similar to Aoshi from Rurouni Kenshin. Since his comrades died while fighting against CB, he's taking it upon himself to prove to them that Flag fighters are the best MS. I think that near the end, hopefully, he'll snap out of whatever state he's in. I personally think that he's is by far the best MS pilot in the whole series. His character is warped at the moment. Though I bet that inside, Graham must be feeling empty and obsessed.

[bax]

how come it's not gonna make ur top 5?


Despite obviously having the best video quality, Gundam 00 lacks the epicness of the previous gundam. It's there but not as good. Maybe after too much gundam I'm looking for something different. Well it is subjective after all xD

If I need to list, here are my top 5, in no particular order:
Char's Counterattack, Gundam 0079, Gundam Sentinel, Gundam Wing, 08th MS Team


Agreed, since the most important part of Gundam, the masked blonde man, is completely ridiculous in this series (unlike, say, seed, where he has a point and a goal). :oh


A masked man is a must in Gundam too >.> They just need to insert one xD

[vintagemistakes]

@bax
have you always felt 00 lacked epicness, or is it just something that has gradually appeared?

The reason I ask this is because I absolutely loved S1. It was on pace to be my favorite Gundam series of all time, but at some point during S2 I started to lose interest in it. OK, I shouldn't say that I lost interest in it because I clearly haven't, but somethings not the same anymore.

At times, the story has felt rushed and almost discombobulated to me. Whether its the 4 month time skip or the time difference between the end of a given episode and the epilogue - Its almost like the creators are trying to fit everything into a particular episode because they have to fit the schedule... rather than fully developing it by not caring about a episode total and there only goal would be eliminating the Innovators... which would lead to their ultimate goal of peace

Also, IMO,the story as of late seems to be focusing too much on CB vs. Innovators rather than CB vs. the crimes they have committed/the direction Humanity is going.

At the start of S2, we got a clear glimpse of where Humanity was headed under the guidance of A-laws/Innovators by seeing Automatons killing people at will. And, we also saw that they weren't afraid of hurting humanity by destroying a pillar for their own selfish goals. But I think that those situations have been too far between. There's no longer a clear connection between CB's main goal of ending war... its kinda feels like its been put on the side.

[segua]

With Anew dead, my condolences Bax, would Feldt be given a chance at Lyle?

[vintagemistakes]

wouldn't Feldt and Lyle together be weird and almost demented?

[segua]

I dunno. Does it seem like it? I think at first it would be demented, but now, not so much. They both have something in common now don't they? Seriously, I think something could happen between them, although, they did have a rough start. Anyway, with Lyle's current mental condition, things might not happen. He'll be too focused on the fight with A-Laws and the Innovators.

[vintagemistakes]

It has Jerry Springer written all over it...

Although, their "rough start" was awesome when he just kissed her out of the blue. I remember laughing pretty good at the Haros remarks after that.

Does anyone have any clue what Kati Mannequin is up to? She should play a part in the outcome of the series but seems to have disappeared after the orbital elevator collapse... could she of joined up with Kataron or even CB? possibly be with Ians wife( who also seems to have disappeared after playing a significant role) at the other CB base where she'll take command of a new CB ship?

[laughing@you]

woot at least there's no more spies on CB. No more attacks on the ship that easily. Now the search for gundam 00 is gonna be little harder now for ribbons

Did the innovators that went after the ship get scared when they saw gundam 00?

Also, looks like setsuna is really turning into an innovator on his own. He was able to pinpoint the innovators location in the ship really quick. Man setsuna is so cool.

Man alleluyah sucks big time. He needs gundam 00 particles so the real fighter comes out to play. Otherwise, his gundam always gets messed up.

And i must say lyle's gundam be heavily into sniping, it does a pretty darn good job up close. That fighting sequence when in trans-am, was off the chain. I found that awesome. One move from the innovator and he had the gun in her face, another move and he had the gun in her face, and when he decided to shoot was right there point blank in the face. I just loved it

[Jammin]

Wow, i just caught up on the series this afternoon and i gotta say.... What the hell is going on?:blink I mean it's been pretty endless fights, which is cool, but does Celestial Being still have any kind real plan?

I mean it's been "attack this" and "blow up that" for a while, and a generalized plan of stopping the innovators, but no coherent way to achieve that. Did i miss some scene where they explained their plan:oh or is this it?:s

[shouryuujo]

it made sense anew had to die - if she is saved then CB will "always" have a spy in there who could turncoat at anytime - she would be under surveilance at all times and everyone feel uncomfortable. This also brings something interesting... why couldnt ribbons just activate anew and have her destroy the ship with the crew in it? The way she died was not that good... she shouldve taken out one of the innovators down.