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NeoAltoX
April 04, 2006, 05:20 PM
How first off don't get me wrong, I love Naruto, I've been watching the anime since the first season and have read and watched it ever since.

But I've noticed some things lately. I'm good friends with an owner of a anime store in Kansas City and I'm always at the store hanging out.
As Naruto progressed more and more people because interested it, which is great of course. But I've noticed that because of that alot of other series have been pushed to the wayside or just plain forgotten. At the anime store (called Mo Iikai....because of the an end song in Naruto) we dub it the DBZ syndrome.
An action anime comes out and it wipes the floor with everything out and other anime suffers because of it.

To add insult to injury a lot of the fans of the show (and this is just what I've observed from the store) don't truly appreciate it. We here at the forums get in involved talks about things and even delve into speed theories.. But the avearge watcher can barely apperciate the characters. I've heard people complain about Oro and how he was obviously based off of Gene Simmons -_-

So all in all that always brings up a question at the store. Was anime better when it was niche and unknown? Because now we see more anime's catering to an American audience, because now studios are banking on the success of an American export. Shows like Naruto being a big seller reinforce that thought.

So I'm curious to see what other people think. Do you think big anime's like Naruto hurt the american anime market due to the fact that people largely ignore the other titles. Kind of like a temporary monopoly...

Calibur
April 04, 2006, 06:00 PM
i truely dont think so. it's the same when robotech, jet planes transforming into robots,( as well as transformer ) first came out and the same as DBZ (people with extreme power) came out. i believe this is all just a normal routine that all american anime industries goes through. also, naruto is different. how often do you see ninjas anime meant for teenagers. some of the ninja animes are for adults with blood gusting everywhere what not sexual contents.

other than that, its put on television and on cartoon network (which in my opinion is probably the most view channel on cable tv).

(sorry, that is all i can think of right now. lol. im kind of braindead from 3 mid-terms today.)

Elmdorz
April 04, 2006, 06:01 PM
Well what I think hurts the american anime industry is not Naruto. What hurts the industry is the fact, they put out any shit anime they can get thier hands on. Think about it.. Originally the only anime that was coming to america was the GOOD ones. Now anything anime-related gets played in north america. I guess people figure, since its japanese it must be good. There is such a thing as bad anime. And we americans have alot of bad anime shows. If the most popular Japan shows were the only ones to come to america it wouldnt be so bad.

Take for instance Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Ronin Warriors. Those were some of the original animes that came in america on mainstream. All 3 of those series were very popular and big. I remember when I was a kid there was a govt access channel that would play anime friday night, but it was all the adult type stuff, like Fist of the North Star, etc etc.

If America simply stuck to the best of the best like they did in the past, I do not think there would be much of a problem. So I guess I really do not see the problem with the other anime titles getting ignored. As I said before, I think its better for the industry to get exposed to Good Anime, as opposed to whatever. I rather see Naruto being spammed across america as opposed to something ridiculous like Chibi-Gundam or Pokemon Blue-Gold-Raspberry, Pearl Edition

NeoAltoX
April 04, 2006, 06:11 PM
Elmdorz I mostly agree with you, except for Pokemon. No anime has topped the cash cow that was Pokemon. It was the one that actually showed that you could make money from anime.

Elmdorz
April 04, 2006, 06:17 PM
Ya your right, but then again its because they made it a big huge marketing ploy just like anything else. I liked the original Pokemon but then they start puttin out buttloads of versions. I guess if I was still a kid I would of never got old with it, so ya your right.


On a side note: Do you know how Pokemon all started? Its a funny story heh

Rampages
April 04, 2006, 07:23 PM
Neo...you are completely right!

My anwser to your question: Hell yes!

Anime is cool until its brought to the rational ignorance of the masses in america; when a show starts becoming popular in the US or Canada, its usually already old news in Japan. And why am I so pissed at american anime ?

Because north america has weird laws, they just have to censor everything!
Sometimes I watch the american version and think to myself, "is that the same show I was watching ?" :o

As if that wasn't enough, naruto dubs are absolutely terrible!!

And, pardon me using your expression but, to add insult to injury, some americans like the newer(english) version better!!! Its all because of those damn soccer moms who don't want a little animated blood to corrupt their children's virgin eyes...

Those companies who got a license to use Naruto in NA are baaaaad people, even worse than the japanese company that keeps making filler episodes :mad

Miso
April 04, 2006, 07:36 PM
I have moved the thread into the Naruto Theater - our subforum for Anime Discussion.

Well I can't say much about the Anime Industry in the US but for me it is a good thing that Anime is coming to western countries. With popular series like Naruto the genre gets more well-known and thus the publishers may get better funds to give the synch spokesmen.
On the other hand you will experience a wider range of audience and thus also ppl who do not appreciate anime so much from the heart as we "hardcore" fans do. Most ppl might be ignorant to a certain series because they watch it for it is easy accessable without giving it too much thought.
But then again I think that the positive aspects outweight the negative ones.
Well...I'm speaking in general here. As I'm not american I cannot give you my opinion on how it works in your country....
I just thought I should put in here my 2 cents so that the first (and most important) sentence doesn't look so lonely.

Kusachu
April 04, 2006, 09:53 PM
naruto hasn't hurt anime in in america, anime in america has hurt Naruto. The problem is not Naruto itself, it is which companies liscense the series'. Some american companies do very good dubs and keep the series true to the original. The problem occurs when there are hugely popular series like naruto and one peice. The companies that liscense those shows have out bid other companies for the rights to the show and that usually means that the larbger named companies have to pay huge ammounts of money to get them and expect get a return on their investment. That means that they have to censor it to make it accessable to a larger audience and in america's case, children make up the largest demand for "cartoons". Children in america are more sheltered than children in japan, and american censors are more strict with what can be shown to children on tv. So, what has occured with naruto and many other big name anime is the original show (in japan) draws a huge american fanbase because of those themes that appeal to the older viewers such as blood, violence and sexual inuendo, then when it comes here, the companies want to market it to kids who will pay money for the product and not just get it for free which most of the "older" croud does via the internet, hence, the censorship. guh...my brain is fried...i am bored of this rant...so anyways i hope that made some sense because i don't feel like writing anymore...XP In any case, the whole situation sucks and i refuse to watch that cartoon network garbage...i'd rather get it for free...

abdulahi
April 05, 2006, 04:04 PM
im not from american actually from England, Uk. and even tho there isn't a large anime industry here, we are basically america three years later. e.g. pokemon came out three years after you guys dubbed it, and also drabonball z and so on. so bascially whatever you guys go through so will we. (english people are so lazy at times) i wish a Uk company would licence a good anime one day, who knows what would happen. possible increase the little anime industry we have now.

i just have to thanx the internet. if it wasnt here no naruto and life would suck.

but i do have one thing to say about the naruto amercian version, later to be shown in Uk, worst Dubs ever. and i do believe that will get to some english people here in the future unless a major marketing campaign is produced.

hatakescarecrow
April 07, 2006, 07:44 AM
Because north america has weird laws, they just have to censor everything!

So god damn true.

Predator
April 09, 2006, 04:47 PM
Interesting opinions everyone. Now here's what I think and didn't see mentioned above.

First of all the direct answer to the question stated above is "yes", although the real answer to the discussion is "no". How can that be? Anime has hurt american animation industry quite deeply, because now americans have no need for imagination. They just take all the anime luggage Japan has and adopts it to the local market. And currently Naruto is going well in both places.
The overall "no" is here, because it's not solely Naruto's fault. The one to blame is the possibility of gaining easy money (read: greed) and the ever decreasing amount of good american animation (sadly it's true). Americans are good at economics, so it's only natural to make some profit on others account. They won't spend money on writers, tons animators and other things, if they can buy an already made thing, modify it a bit and watch the cash flow in.

In short, it's not only Naruto that hurt the US animation industry and the one to blame behind it all is the will to gain easier profit.

Kusachu
April 10, 2006, 01:58 AM
Interesting opinions everyone. Now here's what I think and didn't see mentioned above.

First of all the direct answer to the question stated above is "yes", although the real answer to the discussion is "no". How can that be? Anime has hurt american animation industry quite deeply, because now americans have no need for imagination. They just take all the anime luggage Japan has and adopts it to the local market. And currently Naruto is going well in both places.
The overall "no" is here, because it's not solely Naruto's fault. The one to blame is the possibility of gaining easy money (read: greed) and the ever decreasing amount of good american animation (sadly it's true). Americans are good at economics, so it's only natural to make some profit on others account. They won't spend money on writers, tons animators and other things, if they can buy an already made thing, modify it a bit and watch the cash flow in.

In short, it's not only Naruto that hurt the US animation industry and the one to blame behind it all is the will to gain easier profit.


i totally agree with you on all that, sadly...

NeoAltoX
April 10, 2006, 11:25 AM
More than anything else I'm fearful of how Japan is altering anime to be more world market friendly (aka the US). Because one of the best things about anime is how different and fresh it is compared to what we have on the american market. Though you can blantantly see where it has rubbed off on america (Teen Titans/Powerpuff Girls and various others).

This is a big deal because America doesn't seem to have any taste for what are some of the most beloved of Japanese animes. (Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 is/was huge in Japan, made no dent here. And also Saint Seiya which was butchered into Knights of the Zodiac here, is huge in Japan, France, Mexico and several other countries...but flopped here)


Big thumbs down to "localization"

d3vlabs
April 16, 2006, 05:33 PM
dub isnt that bad

Lissa
April 17, 2006, 04:20 AM
On the other hand, maybe Naruto help to expand the market? since u know non-anime and non-manga lovers may start to pick up the manga/anime after it became such a popular series. Then with their interest in Naruto, they may follow up with other titles and eventually becoming hooked to reading manga or watching anime

*End of my theory* XD

white silver
April 26, 2006, 04:17 AM
[font=tahoma][color=green]The dub wasn't that "bad" I admit, when I first saw the first few episodes I was getting hopeful (of course I was aware of the "Believe it" factor).  But then after finishing off with Haku I decided that I should GIVE up watching the dub.  It was just too painful to go on! What has got america thinking? I've read the first few chapters of Jump Shonen in Naruto (and I noticed Sakura's pants are below the knees) They did a good job cleaning but after seeing the term "Art of the Doppleganger" I threw that manga book straight out the door!

MeanderingSoul
April 26, 2006, 05:47 AM
I think it's the other was around. America does bad things to good anime.