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sahugani
June 23, 2007, 06:36 AM
Sahugani’s Naruto Review 357-359

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I'm tired and need a giggle

First of all I’d like to apologize. After only one review, I was forced to take a break first due to final exams and then to deal with various matters as I moved back home from college. Now that I’m back, I’m doing my most extensive reviewing session yet as I do 2 triple and 1 double review to make up for lost chapters. All pics in the review are from Bludshock scanlations and the title pic is a piece from Pink-MaskedDKA ( http://pink-maskeddka.deviantart.com/) over at deviantart, so go check out the rest of the gallery.

Due to the size of the review and time of night here, i didn't look through to check if i made mistakes in format or reasoning, so i went off on quite a few tangents


357: Deidara vs Sasuke

Kabuto’s Other Half

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This reminds me of hand lotion commercials

A while back, I was asked what Kabuto meant when he said he had Orochimaru inside him. Did he mean Orochimaru’s flesh or his soul? From how he describes it in this chapter, it seems to be a little of both. From the sliced up remains of Orochimaru’s serpent body in the hideout, he retrieved some of it (flesh, blood, or DNA is left ambiguous) and integrated it into his own body. As Orochimaru’s body hopping technique was meant to morph the body of the new host into his own, when Kabuto injected the material into himself, it acted like an infection and started to spread its influence over his body. As Orochimaru’s mind was not transferred, Kabuto’s mind remained in charge of his body while the transformation occurred. This is very likely how Orochimaru looked under the bandages after each body transfer. In those cases though, he had simultaneously suppressed the victim’s will in a battle of minds like we saw in the inner world at the end of his fight with Sasuke. However, even though Kabuto avoided this part of the transformation, his body is physiologically becoming like Orochimaru’s and even without Orochimaru’s will, it is trying to take over all that Kabuto is. Unless Kabuto’s will can manage to survive and control Orochimaru’s body, he will become a clone of Orochimaru with all his power and personality but without a name or memory. That is my theory anyways. Believe it if you wish.


Intentions

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why is it always about Sasuke?

Even though Kabuto’s goal with his newly developing body is to simply overcome the new influence within him and control it, his loyalty to Orochimaru has still not waned. Upon evading capture by Yamato’s team, he announces that he intends to come after both Naruto and Sasuke, but that Orochimaru’s killer takes priority. I must say that that last part disappointed me quite a bit. During the previous chapter, he had shown both disappointment at Naruto’s obsession with Sasuke and self-worth as he intended to surpass Orochimaru. He was on the road to becoming a new and unique villain in the story. I loved the idea of him reawakening Orochimaru’s power but making his actual intentions on how to use that power ambiguous. Now he is a recreation of Orochimaru in both power and obsession with Sasuke albeit with a different plan on what to do with him.


First Strike

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he must be a zombie

We turn now to the start of the duel between Sasuke and Deidara. While Deidara talks enough for all three of his mouths trash talking his opponent, Sasuke shows that he has no time for chit chat and achieves a drawing slash that Deidara barely dodges. Tobi on the other hand was not so fast and was felled by Sasuke’s blow and then ignored so that Sasuke can ask the remaining opponent about his brother. To Sasuke’s surprise, Tobi gets up like nothing happened and regains his moronic demeanor. This brings into serious question exactly what Tobi is. He is such a random and mysterious character that the only theory people can latch onto is the Obito one, which is based solely on circumstantial evidence. We’ve seen people avoid damage by using clones, casting genjutsu, and simply being fast. We’ve even seen Hidan and Kakuzu take damage because of immortality and having replacement hearts. Tobi is something different as he is apparently completely unscarred. I’ll need to see more before I can effectively theorize about what he is.


Chakra Mastery

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he's a genius for a reason

After his close call, Deidara resorts to using a large number of smaller bombs to overwhelm Sasuke. Unfortunately for him, Sasuke has developed yet another shape manipulation of his chidori (or at least his lightning chakra in general) and launches a slew of lightning chakra needles to counter every bomb with pinpoint precision. Sasuke has mastered shape manipulation to the point where he can charge his lightning chakra in his hand and mold it into basically any piercing shape. Unfortunately for Tobi, Sasuke pins those bombs all around the masked Akatsuki’s feet, which terrifies him. There are two somewhat odd occurrences here. First of all, Deidara shows restraint and not only holds back the explosion he loves to witness, but allows his concern (and slight annoyance) for Tobi distract him as Sasuke attacks from behind. I had always pictured the Akatsuki as being unfeeling towards eachother and none of them would be saddened in the least at the thought of even their partner being killed. Kishi seems to be trying to make Deidara out to be less cold than the other members (as is supported by the latest chapter as well) and making his partnership with Tobi to be one we will care about deeply later on down the road. The second oddity is that just after Tobi had received a fatal sword slash from Sasuke, he all of a sudden fears for his life from Deidara’s explosions. This could either show a limitation to his apparent invulnerability or is simply an example of Tobi being an idiot who simply forgets his powers or hates the thought of his senpai attacking his with real weapons.


Close Call

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does anyone else have the voice of Caboose from RvB in their head when Tobi talks?

As previously mentioned, Deidara had been attacked from behind by Sasuke. Fortunately, he was fast enough to unload a bomb behind him at the last minute (that sounds kinda wrong). Despite Tobi’s premature mourning for his senpai, Deidara comes out alive. Until now, he had been holding back and by using only his lowest grade explosive, he was able to survive his own close range blast pretty much unscathed. He decides to pull out some stops and use a more powerful level of explosive, which takes the form of a giant dragon. This brings up the question of what grade of explosive he used against Gaara. The only explosive that size (and complexity we see in the next chapter) that we saw in that fight was the giant one he dropped on Sunagakure. Other than that it was all smaller bombs used strategically. You’d think that for fighting a jinchuriki, he’d have used more of his higher level stuff. However, as this question most likely won’t be answered, I might as well drop it and move on to the next chapter.


358: Cornered by C2

Preparations

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that is a long ass tongue

Deidara starts off his attack plan using his C2 dragon by first having the beast spew a number of smaller explosives that are produced as his tail dwindles in size by a notch. Tobi is then told to do his part in the plan. More and more this pairing seems unusual among the Akatsuki. In the other pairings such as Itachi/Kisame and Deidara/Sasori, each member fought their own battles and didn’t really care how the other fared. Even in Hidan and Kakuzu’s pairing, when they weren’t fighting solo, they only used eachother as distractions as Hidan’s immortality made him able to stand in between Kakuzu and the opponent. In this pairing, we have already seen each member care for the other’s well being in some form and nowone is helping the other to set up an attack. I’m quite certain Sasori would not have helped Deidara the way Tobi willingly does. If one of these two dies (and I’ve got a guess as to which one), there will be no new partner for the surviving member. No one could replace the relationship between these two, and so the other will become a major character quite quickly afterwards.


Deidara’s Lead

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nana nana na na! you cant touch me

After Sasuke decides to intervene with the duo’s preparations, Deidara gets a bit smarter and now that he has his C2 dragon, he quickly creates a seeking bomb to stop the fast approaching Sasuke. When the smoke clears, Deidara has risen to the sky atop his dragon and Tobi has disappeared from Sasuke’s sight. He attempts to reach Deidara with his lightning chakra sword, but both he and Deidara realize its limited reach at 5 meters. Deidara compliments his ability to manipulate the shape of the chidori into so many forms, but is at the same time mocking him for it not being enough. This solidly defines Sasuke as a non-long-range fighter. So far we have only seen two types of fighters who can be considered capable of long range combat outside of basic ninja training and summoning (also discounting the sound 4 girl’s genjustu). There are fighters like Deidara, Tenten, and Temari, whose entire styles revolve around long range ninjutsu and weapons. Since we have seen that Sasuke’s lightning chakra sword and needles have a very limited range, they cannot be considered true long range techniques. The other kind of long-range capable fighters are MS users. Both Kakashi and Itachi were able to fight from a distance using powerful dojutsu in various forms. Since Sasuke doesn’t seem to use dojutsu, it helps define the very nature of the MS as compared to the regular sharingan. The nature of the regular sharingan allows the user to see the true nature of things, thus allowing increased perception and understanding in battle and the ability to forcibly enter and manipulate inner worlds. The MS allows that ability to manipulate worlds to enter reality in the form of powerful ninjutsu or genjutsu. I believe I’ve strayed slightly off topic in my intention to make a point, so lets get back to the chapter.


The Trap is Sprung

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now that's an explosion

Upon taking to the sky, Deidara sets his plan in motion by forcing Sasuke to move by use of dropping a bomb. In moving from his previous position to avoid the blast, Sasuke sets off a landmine-type bomb underground, which he avoids by entering cursed seal 2. apparently, the place to which Tobi had disappeared before was underground to place the multitude of smaller bombs underground. From this we can deduce that Tobi at least has some affinity with earth element jutsu as Kakashi has used the same technique before to move undetected beneath the ground. However, it still does not fit with any other pieces of his evidence, so we’ll stick to the fight instead of going off on a tangent like I love to do. Unless Sasuke’s wings can act practically as such, he’s pretty screwed. For someone who is unable to move freely in the air, this is a quite deadly setup. We have never really seen him use the wings for real flying and they don’t really look al that useful for the purpose. Unfortunately, the frames in this chapter leave it somewhat ambiguous as to whether or not he actually can use the wings for flight. If you want to believe he can or can’t, go ahead cause it doesn’t really make a difference for long.


One-Winged Angel

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he needs Sephiroth's theme playing during his kick ass moments

The next bomb Deidara sends out appears unavoidable for Sasuke in the present situation and ends up both disarming him of his sword and obliterating his left wing. For the first time in quite a while, Sasuke is seemingly on the loosing side of the battle. With the relative ease in which he slew Orochimaru and stopped an enraged Juugo, Sasuke’s supremacy seemed to know no bounds. Now he has been grounded in a quite literal sense as proof that even he is not yet unrivaled like his brother. Itachi has been trapped by Jiraiya (though he escaped with amaterasu) but has never been actually suffered injury to his real body by anyone’s hand so far in the series. The fact that Sasuke has suffered an injury like losing a limb (even though it is an unnatural one) is a sign that he is not yet ready. However, even if he is not yet perfect, he is still good enough to get back up and try again in spite of his wound. In a move quite uncharacteristic of a battle of this caliber, Sasuke resorts to shuriken on strings, which are easily avoided by Deidara as he pulls out his next bomb.


He Flies Again

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what is it with cutting of body parts in manga?

As this next bomb falls right toward Sasuke, he makes his way to his sword, which either by good chance or his own planning, had landed with the blade stuck in the ground. Using the sword’s hilt as a stepping stone, he leaps into the air so that he is now in range to use his lightning chakra sword on the C2 dragon. This can really be taken one of two ways. In the first scenario, the planting of the sword was intentional and when he was hit by the bomb that took his wing, he threw it there for the intended purpose of using it later and all other actions (including sacrificing his wing) were to distract Deidara from noticing it. .In this case, Sasuke has developed planning abilities along the lines of Shikamaru, though not to quite the same extent. The second scenario, which I believe to be true, is that the sword fell like that by chance and it was only after the explosion that he saw his opportunity. This situation can be explained by the same factors that he has relied on for a long time rather than introducing the idea of complex planning. His strength has always been adaptability. Once he sees a way to victory, he can instantly adapt his style to deal with it. Also even though he has shown much more personal innovation as opposed to copying with his sharingan post-timeskip, he still decided to ironically cripple Deidara’s style by cutting off a wing to mimic the way his wing had been taken. To me, the whole matter was quick thought vengeance as opposed to complex planning. The one aspect of Dedara’s fall I will attribute to calculated planning is the use of shuriken to pin Deidara to the falling dragon. Just like Naruto had displayed a growth in his ability to think ahead, Sasuke did too and knew enough not to let Deidara hop off his falling mount as it was an easily foreseeable escape. I just like to hold onto the idea that Kishi would rather intend to have each character maintain their unique qualities rather than start passing them off to others as they leave the story like Shikamaru did.


359: Those Eyes…!!

Sidestepped

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i so wanna do that

After detaching the strings from the shuriken pinning Deidara, Sasuke grows snakes out of his shoulder to latch onto the nearest tree and pull him away from the upcoming blast. This may answer some questions about Sasuke and Orochimaru’s snake jutsus. For a while, they were thought to be small scale summons and we were just never shown the act of summoning. It was thought to be solved when Orochimaru’s true form was a large snake composed of smaller ones, which would simply branch out of him. Then it became confusing again when Sasuke pulled the same trick. Now that we actually get to see it occur with the flesh exposed while it’s happening, we should get a better idea. At least we know now that it is a jutsu as he had to use a hand seal for it. In any case, the ability to grow a snake of some length out of his shoulder is very cool.


Tobi’s Grief

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...is that a rooster?

As Deidara falls to the ground and is engulfed in his own bomb’s explosive, Sasuke reverts out of his cursed seal and Tobi once again starts his own little eulogy for his presumed dead senpai. This time at least he has some evidence to go by as he sees Deidara’s Akatsuki robes flutter away. Luckily for Tobi, Deidara survived the blast and escaped on one of his clay birds. However, there is a deep significance in Deidara loosing his robes. In any of the Akatsuki fights, the moment they loose their robes is when they become true monsters. Sasori discarded his to reveal he was a puppet himself. Hidan’s were half-burned off by Asuma during the first seen instance of the voodoo doll technique. Kakuzu removed his when he released his elemental hearts. We can now likely expect to see the true monstrosity of Deidara’s power and if it is in following with the other Akatsuki fights, we can also expect some sort of physical transformation on his part.


Recruitment

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it's one Akatsuki per one bijuu, but apparently it takes three to recruit a new guy

Now that he has experienced Sasuke’s wrath, Deidara starts remembering the first time he encountered the sharingan, which was when he was recruited by Itachi. According to his memory, he was approached by Itachi, Kisame, and Sasori, who offered him an explanation and invitation to Akatsuki. This must have been slightly after Orochimaru left the group as they are getting Sasori a new partner, but I can’t recall how many years ago that was. Before he was in Akatsuki, Deidara was a mercenary who sold his services to various terrorist organizations as an excuse to blow things up in his love of art. It is somewhat odd that Deidara is even given a history. We have been granted knowledge of the great earlier accomplishments of Kisame as one of the Seven Swordsmen, Kakuzu as having fought the First Hokage, and a good number of grand exploits about Sasori. The only other Akatsuki we’ve actually gotten a flashback for was Itachi and that was from Sasuke’s perspective, so we lack the whole story. As I said earlier, Kishi is trying to make us attached to this Akatsuki pair. We all already love Tobi’s quirky nature, but this is Kishi’s opportunity to make us feel for Deidara. Regardless of what a person’s intentions or demeanor is, by seeing where they started from their own perspective, we get a sense of their reasons and make us want to see what they will do to protect the values displayed in the flashback.


The Challenge

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has he ever punched someone and bitten his tongue?

As we’ve known from the beginning of his character, Deidara has always been very proud of his “art.” We’ve also known that he likes to talk a lot. He begins to explain the true essence and beauty of his art to the three Akatsuki members who clearly do not give a damn what he has to say and are only there to add his skills to the organization. Eventually, all three get too annoyed to listen to anymore and Itachi decides to settle the matter quickly by challenging Deidara and wagering that if he wins, Deidara will join Akatsuki. This makes you wonder how the Akatsuki recruitment was for other members. Hidan could not have been easy to get. He stated himself that capturing these jinchuriki alive went against his religion’s teachings, so I’d guess that his recruitment went somewhat similarly to this one and was forced to partner with Kakuzu.


Make-Believe

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Itachi is unhuman

After Deidara apparently pins Itachi, the tables suddenly turn as the sharingan’s genjutsu is revealed and Deidara is the one caught in his own trap. Itachi even goes as far as to insult Deidara by claiming that this genjutsu is true art as opposed to Deidara’s explosions. Deidara’s entire reason for staying with Akatsuki is to surpass Itachi, who insulted his art. From what I can tell, he considers the sharingan to be like a form of cheating. He considers his actual techniques to be far superior to both Itachi and Sasuke. His hatred for Itachi makes this current fight intriguing as it is a duel between two people who consider Itachi to be their greatest enemy. While it is quite clear that Sasuke will win, I can guess that Sasuke’s actions toward the end will differ greatly from the way his brother won. Even outside of the fact that Sasuke isn’t really the type to use genjutsu, he may show Deidara some respect in his final moments or keep him alive to question about Itachi.


Last Resort

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this is the unhealthy way how he maintains his girlish figure

After looking into Sasuke’s sharingan and passing all of his hatred for Itachi onto the younger brother, Deidara resorts to drastic measures. He swallows a large lump of his clay (through his normal mouth) and vomits out a yet unseen creation that Tobi has labeled the C4 garuda. While we haven’t actually seen the new explosive form, we can make some inferences from the name. First of all, C4 as the ultimate form was a bit easy to predict as it is the name of the finalized version of a real life plastic explosive, which in itself has a major link to Deidara’s clay-based explosives. As for the name “garuda,” (a bird-like god in Hindu and Buddhist faiths) in keeping with both the name and Deidara’s love for clay birds, we can at least tell that it will be some avian-winged creature. As he has already used a multitude of regular birds and this is supposed to be something entirely different, it is likely not going to be just a bigger bird. Since, as I mentioned earlier, the loss of Akatsuki robes in the past has lead to the revealing of monsterous forms, I’d guess that this C4 clay will mold around him and change him physically into a new and more powerful form with bird wings. We’ll see next week.


Overall

My first mega-review is done. I’ll keep this brief cause I’m a little overloaded with Naruto at the moment and tomorrow I get to do the same thing for Bleach and One Piece, so sleep is important. The biggest thing for me regarding these chapters is that I like how Kishi is getting us more involved with the Tobi/Deidara pair. He wants us to see them as dynamic characters in their own right and not just as kick ass enemies that must be defeated like the previously beaten Akatsuki seemed to be. As it doesn’t look good for Deidara at this point, I’d love for Kishi to carry on this way for Tobi as he is both so likable and so mysterious.

CopyNinjaKakashi
June 23, 2007, 07:20 AM
Great review and glad to have you back!

I thought it was interesting to see the recruitment of Deidara. Until now the only way we know for sure how someone joined was Tobi. I wonder why Deidara hates Orochimaru so much. They never were in Akatsuki at the same time, since Oro was Sasori's partner. Hopefully we will get an answer to that. That is an interesting prediction about the C4. It will definitely be interesting to see. I'll probably have more, but it's early and I have to go weigh food for research.

sahugani
June 23, 2007, 07:27 AM
i don't think Deidara hates Orochimaru. as his replacement in Akatsuki, it was his job to kill his predecessor (and probably take back the ring as well). he was looking forward to the job and the combined reasons of Sasuke stealing the fun of killing Oro and being Itachi's younger brother makes Deidara REALLY want to kill Sasuke

CopyNinjaKakashi
June 23, 2007, 08:47 AM
Yeah I suppose that makes sense. Didn't Oro still have the ring though? Did they make a new ring for Deidara? Deidara definitely has it in for Sasuke. You can clearly see his hatred for the so-called art of the sharingan in these chapters.

Mendes
June 23, 2007, 09:25 AM
That was soon! Great review sahugani! I saw in the 359 disscussion thread someone saying the Garuda is a mythological creature that is known for being the snake's worse fear. This may get ugly for Sasuke. I was almost sure deidara was done for at the end of 358, but this may change things. Unless Sasuke has accomplished Genjutsu, I wonder how will he get out of this. If Sasuke isnt a genjutsu type like you said, then he'll have some problems. It seems like his CS2 is worn out and he is about to receive an explosion bigger than the one Deidara used the Sand village(as it seems). I believe Sasuke is actually capable of using Genjutsu, and that may be his way out of this, making Deidara taste his own medicine.

sahugani
June 23, 2007, 01:55 PM
even if he can use genjutsu with or without his sharingan, i think it would be unlikely for him to use it as he tries to distance himself from his brother's style

Az3r
June 23, 2007, 09:06 PM
Hey, a nice review pack, Sahugani :thumbs .
I agree with you about Sasuke not wanting to put himself in Itachi's style. I think Sasuke is more like Kakashi, which is learning many techniques quickly, make a good use of his Sharingan. That fits him too, considering many people call him a prodigy (when he was at Konoha, but it seems like it stays that way though).

voldy18
June 24, 2007, 09:10 AM
Good review!

What I haven't seen metioned anywhere... Sasuke can summon snakes. Might he also be able to summon Rashoumon? You know, that demon gate, which both Sakon (I think?) and Oro summoned. I think that would be a good defense against Deidara's C4.

lordHokage
June 24, 2007, 10:57 AM
I love your artwork, it is sooo awesome. :wtf

Well done to your very first mega review. I enjoyed it a lot, it was very entertaining. You did a very good job, keep it up. :thumbs

I don’t think Deidara is Akatsuki material or a really bad person. I do think he and Naruto have a lot in common. I don’t see Sasuke wining this battle sooo easily. :eyeroll

sahugani
June 24, 2007, 04:06 PM
@Az3r - thanks. as for the Sasuke/Kakashi link, i think it is also important to show the difference between the styles of even those two post timeskip as Sasuke's style is really very individual now. Kakashi's style was and is to use a slew of jutsu that take advantage of his vast experience and abilities. Sasuke has been more inclined to take one jutsu and alter its shape to fit his every need as he now wields 4 versions of Chidori and can use them effectively without breaking the limit of times to use it. Kakashi's skill is having a near limitless arsenal to counter almost anything. Sasuke's is quick thinking and innovation (though with Oro's teaching, he most likely has a huge arsenal as well)

@Voldy18 - i have no doubt that he can summon the rashoumon as he wanted to pull every jutsu he could out of Orochimaru before killing him off. and you're right. now that i think about it, it would be a great move to use against deidara

@Lord Hokage - i loved the piece too. go check out the rest of Pink-MaskedDKA's (http://pink-maskeddka.deviantart.com/) gallery. i also agree with you on both points about the chapter. Deidara is much more likable than any other Akatsuki other than Tobi and by using a flashback, Kishi is getting us more invested in his character. he wants us to give a shit about the Deidara/Tobi pair so he can do more with them (or the remaining one) later on. As for Sasuke having a tough fight ahead of him, i'd say thats damn right. Deidara will be fighting till the bitter end and even the sharingan won't be able to let Sasuke escape without getting a few more bruises. ultimately though, it is quite clear that Sasuke will win

lordHokage
June 24, 2007, 07:35 PM
Might he also be able to summon Rashoumon? I think that would be a good defense against Deidara's C4.

Summoning: Rashomon is a B-rank defensive jutsu. Sasuke need an all ranges S-rank defensive and offensive jutsu best suited for Deidara’s C4. :blink




@Lord Hokage - i loved the piece too. go check out the rest of Pink-MaskedDKA's (http://pink-maskeddka.deviantart.com/) gallery. i also agree with you on both points about the chapter. Deidara is much more likable than any other Akatsuki other than Tobi and by using a flashback, Kishi is getting us more invested in his character. he wants us to give a shit about the Deidara/Tobi pair so he can do more with them (or the remaining one) later on. As for Sasuke having a tough fight ahead of him, i'd say thats damn right. Deidara will be fighting till the bitter end and even the sharingan won't be able to let Sasuke escape without getting a few more bruises. ultimately though, it is quite clear that Sasuke will win

I already did, your artwork is awesome. If there is one member in Akatsuki who has the potential of turning over a new leaf, it would be Deidara. I think this battle is going to end up with so many regrets for Sasuke and Deidara. :(

Serpent
June 25, 2007, 04:47 AM
It's good to have you back , great review btw :thumbs

SOCKSnTHONGS
June 25, 2007, 05:17 AM
great review

good observation that all akatsuki members "transform" after taking their clothes off but also when they take the cloak they seem to die in the next few chapters which sucks cuz i like deidara. also when did he say that he hated orochimaru??

voldy18
June 25, 2007, 07:59 AM
Summoning: Rashomon is a B-rank defensive jutsu. Sasuke need an all ranges S-rank defensive and offensive jutsu best suited for Deidara’s C4. :blink


I'm not saying that it could stop Deidara's attack completely. However it might lessen its effectiveness by quite a bit. And according to Wiki it *is* supposed to be "capable of blocking almost any attack". Despite being just a B-rank jutsu. And unless Dedeidara's C4 has the power of a concentrated chakra blast like the one mini-Kiyuubi used... Well, I don't think it would be such a bad jutsu to use.

juUnior
June 25, 2007, 12:07 PM
Nice review sahugani :D


This brings up the question of what grade of explosive he used against Gaara. The only explosive that size (and complexity we see in the next chapter) that we saw in that fight was the giant one he dropped on Sunagakure. Other than that it was all smaller bombs used strategically. You’d think that for fighting a jinchuriki, he’d have used more of his higher level stuff. However, as this question most likely won’t be answered, I might as well drop it and move on to the next chapter.
I think You don't quite understand that. It's not about size, how his explosives of clay works, but of "C" thing included into it. So if Deidara means that C1 is the lowest, simplest, C2 is higher, and so on on Gaara he used explosive clay of C3, so the most powerful bang in his arsenal. But in last chapter he shows, that he can do even greater thing - C4 :x


I’m quite certain Sasori would not have helped Deidara the way Tobi willingly does.
Nahh, of kors :p Sasori was senpai do Deidara, vice versa as it is now with Dei and Tobi xD


If you want to believe he can or can’t, go ahead cause it doesn’t really make a difference for long.
Maybe not, but seriously, just readining and seeing things in this chapter, we can assume that Saske can fly using those wings..


The next bomb Deidara sends out appears unavoidable for Sasuke in the present situation and ends up both disarming him of his sword and obliterating his left wing.

As this next bomb falls right toward Sasuke, he makes his way to his sword, which either by good chance or his own planning, had landed with the blade stuck in the ground

In the first scenario, the planting of the sword was intentional and when he was hit by the bomb that took his wing, he threw it there for the intended purpose of using it later and all other actions (including sacrificing his wing) were to distract Deidara from noticing it.
Like Deidara stated after that move, it seems Saske planned it all with the sword. Probably he knew after bomb attack from before, that his defense from wings will be harmmed, so he thought of possiblity how to move without using wings to fly. Just my opinion.


This may answer some questions about Sasuke and Orochimaru’s snake jutsus. For a while, they were thought to be small scale summons and we were just never shown the act of summoning. It was thought to be solved when Orochimaru’s true form was a large snake composed of smaller ones, which would simply branch out of him. Then it became confusing again when Sasuke pulled the same trick. Now that we actually get to see it occur with the flesh exposed while it’s happening, we should get a better idea. At least we know now that it is a jutsu as he had to use a hand seal for it.
True, true. I think that is clearly now proof, that it's jutsu, and how it is created (those snakes). On the other hand, I furthermore think, that orochimaru could be using his own snakes to do this tricks to minimaise effect on chakra (but it's my opinion ;p).


We can now likely expect to see the true monstrosity of Deidara’s power and if it is in following with the other Akatsuki fights, we can also expect some sort of physical transformation on his part.
hehe on my side, I don't believe he will do some monstrous thing or tansformation. Why? Because he was from the begining scary with those mouths in palm of the hands :p But what he will not show, will be the ultimate and most powerful bomb jutsu I suppose and that's all. My prediction diifers from what we've seen, like you said, from Hidan, Sasori, Kakuzu.
but that ot's interesting:

Since, as I mentioned earlier, the loss of Akatsuki robes in the past has lead to the revealing of monsterous forms, I’d guess that this C4 clay will mold around him and change him physically into a new and more powerful form with bird wings. We’ll see next week.
That would be cool, but on the other hand it not suit me Dei style of using clay. But really cool idea :D


As I said earlier, Kishi is trying to make us attached to this Akatsuki pair
:D I would rather say that attached to Deidara :p


This makes you wonder how the Akatsuki recruitment was for other members. Hidan could not have been easy to get. He stated himself that capturing these jinchuriki alive went against his religion’s teachings, so I’d guess that his recruitment went somewhat similarly to this one and was forced to partner with Kakuzu.
Really good point. I didn't thought about that, but in my opinion, Your statment of Hidan could be really really real :D


Deidara’s entire reason for staying with Akatsuki is to surpass Itachi, who insulted his art. From what I can tell, he considers the sharingan to be like a form of cheating. He considers his actual techniques to be far superior to both Itachi and Sasuke. His hatred for Itachi makes this current fight intriguing as it is a duel between two people who consider Itachi to be their greatest enemy.
Agreed. What's more of the double page is explanation, or more accurately, the way how Itachi was portrayed in between the two statues, which probably was taken from Buddism religion. I read, that the open mouth statue symbolises "birth" (or it can be any thing realted to that as, for example, beggining of universe) and the right one, with closed one mouth statue symbolizes "death" (or the end of universe). I think that Itachi staying in that big panel betwenn such statues, and giving sharingan symbols on both statues, gives idea of:
1. Itachi is superb uber mega hiper shinobi.
2. Which I think is more accurately: that sharigan is really, really the thing, which you can do whenever you want with it (as we know, what can sharingan and furthermore, MS, do with their own realm, but not always, as shown Kakashi). Yeah, I bet it was to emphasize effect on sharingan :D


He wants us to see them as dynamic characters in their own right and not just as kick ass enemies that must be defeated like the previously beaten Akatsuki seemed to be.
Yes, yes, but in my opinion Hidan and Kakuzu only served two or three purposes:
- Hidan = Shikamaru great improvement, development. Actually I would like to see him with his new way of life, but I think it requires some time (actually I like to see even the same way I would like to see Gaara :wtf )
- Kakuzu = to show Naruto's new jutsu, or rather be guinea pig for RasenShuriken :D
- Kakuzu = also to show, that new generation will and is better than older one :x


As it doesn’t look good for Deidara at this point,
Yeah, it doesn't. But for some reason, if Dei must die, I would like not to see this from the hands of Saske. Maybe like you said, he will be beaten by Saske (that's for sure) but not killed, rather to have some talk on Itachi, and maybe Dei will not die. Ehhh this guy is the guy who beat Gaara, fought Kakashi and his MS in some way (but didn;t remarked on sharingan too much :x), Naruto in rampage mode and run away from punches, and run away from team Gai. I think his capable of running away, or rather, living after that fight in some way (not in the way of Hidan undergorund :p) Ehh After 359 I like character of Deidara even more, that's why I write what I write ;p


Might he also be able to summon Rashoumon? You know, that demon gate, which both Sakon (I think?) and Oro summoned. I think that would be a good defense against Deidara's C4.

@Voldy18 - i have no doubt that he can summon the rashoumon as he wanted to pull every jutsu he could out of Orochimaru before killing him off. and you're right. now that i think about it, it would be a great move to use against deidara
Good point. But if I remembr correctly, Sakon (or Ukon, whatver;p) said, that only he and Orochimaru can do that. Correct me if Im mistaken ^^

That's all.

voldy18
June 25, 2007, 01:04 PM
Good point. But if I remembr correctly, Sakon (or Ukon, whatver;p) said, that only he and Orochimaru can do that. Correct me if Im mistaken ^^.

Well, I don't remember if Sakon said that. However, I don't see why Sasuke wouldn't (or couldn't) learn it. He can summon snakes. Summoning the gate shouldn't be more difficult.

sahugani
June 25, 2007, 01:52 PM
@Lord Hokage - even lower level jutsu can be extremely effective if used in the right situation, so the rank might not matter as much

@serpent - thanks

@SOCKSnTHONGS - i don't think it was ever stated that Deidara hated Orochimaru. He just was looking forward to killing him

@voldy - very true. i don't think even deidara could pull off something as powerful as that one blast that Kyuubi 4-tails used

@juUnior - the resaon i question the level of explosives used in the Gaara fight is because the C2 dragon was so different than anything he has used yet that i think it would have been more noticable if he had risen above C1 in his first fight

i like to think Sasuke can fly with those wings, but they look a bit heavy and not very aerodynamic, which irks me a bit despite the fact that many things in manga defy real science

really my only basis for not believing that Sasuke had the whole thing planned is a desire to keep the idividualities of Sasuke and Shikamaru seperate

i think that the snake matter as a whole will just be attributed to the style and it doesn't really matter where they come from

Kakuzu and Sasori had creepy aspects about them revealed before they revealed their true monsterous forms, so i don't think Deidara's hand-mouths excuse him from having an uber-form

Nice job on bringing up the meanings of the buddist statues. i love it when there is a deeper symbolism behind awe-inspiring scenes like that

I agree. Hidan and Kakuzu were left as simply evil people for the good guys to beat up and show their skills during the fights. Kishi is actually making us care for Deidara and Tobi is not only already likeable, but the huge mystery surrounding him intriuges us and makes us care more

we'll see soon enough what Deidara's fate is. it is quite clear that Sasuke will kick his ass, but given that Sasuke is more interested in Itachi, he may leave Deidara alive in shame

i think if Orochimaru could teach Sakon/Ukon, he'd be able to teach the much more talented Sasuke, so i don't doubt that it's in his skill set

ornis
June 25, 2007, 03:48 PM
Like your review, sahugani.

The Sharingan bit being discussed is really intriguing me...





What's more of the double page is explanation, or more accurately, the way how Itachi was portrayed in between the two statues, which probably was taken from Buddism religion. I read, that the open mouth statue symbolises "birth" (or it can be any thing realted to that as, for example, beggining of universe) and the right one, with closed one mouth statue symbolizes "death" (or the end of universe). I think that Itachi staying in that big panel betwenn such statues, and giving sharingan symbols on both statues, gives idea of:

1. Itachi is superb uber mega hiper shinobi.
2. Which I think is more accurately: that sharigan is really, really the thing, which you can do whenever you want with it (as we know, what can sharingan and furthermore, MS, do with their own realm, but not always, as shown Kakashi). Yeah, I bet it was to emphasize effect on sharingan :D






It sounds like one could position the Sharingan as possibly an eternal frame of mind or way of life (being that Itachi was between "Birth" and "Death"). My thought is that Itachi's the intermediate state (statue)... the representation of "being," of existence... that's what I believe Deidara sees as art suddenly... "(That) is art." Like it was some awakening----Deidara art-philosophy confused birth with death or rather combined them... he never reached true continuity, was attached to the fleeting essence of an explosion that "dies the moment it dawns." Why would that be superior to Sharingan...?

//I think Deidara's jealous, ashamed, and in denial of something more than he can handle... curses the gifts of Uchiha perception and manipulation... it's a different beauty, one hard for him to accept, especially when it's targeted as just an inherited tool that fights Sasuke's battle---I believe that really downplays its importance//

lordHokage
June 25, 2007, 06:18 PM
@ voldy18 and sahugani - I agree with you both. It remains to be seen what Summoning: Rashomon vs. Deidara’s C4 can actually do. I hope the outcome turn out to be a good thing rather than a disaster for Sasuke. :)

Gold Knight
June 25, 2007, 06:52 PM
That was a fun read ^^

ninjaa
June 26, 2007, 01:32 AM
Hey good review there sahugani! I think the reason why Deidara didn't use C2 or C4 against Gaara was because he couldn't. Back then Sasori says that Deidara is being cocky. He probably meant that Deidara didn't bring all of his clay with him. Deidara said it himself that he only had a little bit of clay and his C3. Anyways, I really hope Deidara survives and becomes stronger after this fight. I bet C5 would be a sight to behold :D .

arslan
June 26, 2007, 09:44 PM
good review shaguni. the reviews were quite comprehensive. first orochimaru was reminded of itachi when he saw sassuke's sharingan and now it is itachi. i suppose kishi is trying to make it seem like sasuke is getting quite formidable and his finesse resembles itachi's whether he (sasuke) likes it or not.

Uchiha Slayer
June 27, 2007, 06:40 AM
That was a good review there...I wouldnt say Deidara hates Itachi...thats the only thing I disagreed on but all in all, it was very good review.

juUnior
June 27, 2007, 12:40 PM
hmm, right, if Sakon/Ukon was taught, why would more superios Saske couldnt summon Rashoumon hehe :D:D


i like to think Sasuke can fly with those wings, but they look a bit heavy and not very aerodynamic, which irks me a bit despite the fact that many things in manga defy real science
Believe, I feel the same. But only that situation, when Saske was with panel when he moves wings, then Deidara face, and on another page he yells, that he wan't allow Saske to fly.. because of that, even if I think they look like you said, I think it can be assumed that he can. On the other hand, maybe he has limited power to fly..


we'll see soon enough what Deidara's fate is. it is quite clear that Sasuke will kick his ass, but given that Sasuke is more interested in Itachi, he may leave Deidara alive in shame
hehe Saske will kick ass of Deidara, but it would be nice if he would survive :wtf


ornis and I believe that what Deidara said sometime eariler in the beginign of the fight, that Saske is only strong vis blessed of his heritage :D His jealus :D


Hey good review there sahugani! I think the reason why Deidara didn't use C2 or C4 against Gaara was because he couldn't. Back then Sasori says that Deidara is being cocky. He probably meant that Deidara didn't bring all of his clay with him. Deidara said it himself that he only had a little bit of clay and his C3. Anyways, I really hope Deidara survives and becomes stronger after this fight. I bet C5 would be a sight to behold .
Yes, Deidara just was cocky and probably didnt wanted to have all of his arsenal for "just one jinchuuriki".. :x :D
On the other hand it's shonen, such characters not go around shwoing all of their abilities :D