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bax
June 30, 2007, 02:26 AM
Chapter 360 is out guys!! Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680)!!


After downloading and reading, go ahead and predict Chapter 360 here :D
A lot of things happening in the latest chapter, I'm sure you guys have many ideas to say. Remember. no spamming :amuse

Inevitable_Exit
June 30, 2007, 02:31 AM
Looks like Sasuke is in quite a pickle. I'm not a believer of someone saving him in this case. I think he is going to burn his last trick to get out of this one, which will leave him quite exhausted and clearly hurt from the battle.

Not sure about what the rest of the chapter will be. Updates on the rest of Hebi/Konoha? Maybe Itachi talking about the weather again perhaps. :D

xxpanda
June 30, 2007, 02:47 AM
I'm hoping Deidara will hurt him badly. This, in turn, will make him question his ability to fight Itachi. He'll probably then be saved by the rest of his teammates in Hebi, but will probably meet up with Naruto's squad soon too. Sasuke will probably try to dissuade Naruto from going after Itachi, but Naruto will continue on his mission.

I think we might not see much of Hebi if this scenario occurs, which makes me sad. I really enjoy Karin and Suigetsu, even if I have to be exposed to Sasuke to see them. XD.

CheckMate
June 30, 2007, 02:57 AM
Oh He will still have super uber technique under his sleeves.

I would be seriously pissed if he can counter this attack now.
He is better knocked out and the rescue will arrive, for the sake of the story development.

Inevitable_Exit
June 30, 2007, 03:27 AM
Oh He will still have super uber technique under his sleeves.

I would be seriously pissed if he can counter this attack now.
He is better knocked out and the rescue will arrive, for the sake of the story development.Meh, I still think its story development if he wins, but afterwards is in bad enough shape that we get a scene of him staring at the sky thinking to himself "Is this it? I can never beat Itachi" blah blah, waking up to getting some medical attention by Hebi or Konoha.

taimoor2
June 30, 2007, 04:11 AM
Those who think he will be seriously injured are daydreaming! I think you guys haven't noticed that he haven't used ANY super technique at all! The only thing he has used are chidori and Cursed seal! No uber techniques! I strongly believe sasuke is easily going to win otherwise his training with oro is in serious question. Also this battle is just like oro vs. sasuke! Oro is not taken down by the same trick itachi used on him, he manages to pull sasuke in his own dimension and than sasuke defeats him by using his OWN technique(will or whatever!). So, the thing is that sasuke has again tried to use the same technique as itachis and failed, he is trapped just like before but now he will use his own technique and badly injure deidara. I don't think he will kill deidara because of his no kill unless absoultely neccessary philosphy but still he will win. The story is extremely predictable.

And he won't be helped by anyone...thats just pure lame. If he is still not there than what remains? I mean oro was his last ship, now no one else is there to help. He cannot join konoha now(if he does what will happen to team hebi!)...he gotta fight itachi now atleast once!

IchigoSoul
June 30, 2007, 04:14 AM
What is unbelievable is that deidara can train his eyes to see past genjustu...That is amazing. Well, if deidara could train naruto too....But i believe he will die....

risingRed
June 30, 2007, 04:40 AM
It is strange but Sasuke does not seem to be so powerfull anymore. :) From his speech about how he didn't hit any vital spot, it does seem like he thought, that he had won. That means that he is unprepared and the next attack should hurt him badly. Deidara mentions eat my C4, and that means that he may want to throw him into the cloud beneath them. On the other hand one Chidory from his whole body should free him from Deidaras grip and may send Deidara down into the cloud of C4 himself. One more thing that speaks against Sasuke be hurt badly is that Tobi is still around ... and he could make a fast end to wounded Sasuke unless some help appears. Deidara is example of suicidal behavior so I expect his end in his own cloud of C4.

Reaver Reload
June 30, 2007, 05:12 AM
Somebody, hopefully Itachi or Kakashi, will intervene and save Sasuke for the dramatic and climatic curveball plot twist.

Krisel
June 30, 2007, 05:29 AM
On the other hand one Chidory from his whole body should free him from Deidaras grip and may send Deidara down into the cloud of C4 himself.Deidara is example of suicidal behavior so I expect his end in his own cloud of C4.

Deidara is amazing...woa...i didnt really liked him before but now i see that he a great char. it would be sad if he died but even if Deidara could fall down,he wouldnt die unless he does "KATSU".And i think if he died by his own art it would be to predictable...i think (hope) the two will be hurt pretty bad...when Sasuke is goin to give the final blow(a slow final blow),Tobi might save Deidara and run like the wind!Fuuuuuuuuuuushhhhh :) 1 more thing Sasuke is not weak its Deidara who has prepared evrything for Sharingan users.Sasuke isnt fighting the young naruto of the first ep. he is fighting a master artist ninja.Hmm :D

risingRed
June 30, 2007, 05:53 AM
Deidara is amazing...woa...i didnt really liked him before but now i see that he a great char. it would be sad if he died but even if Deidara could fall down,he wouldnt die unless he does "KATSU".And i think if he died by his own art it would be to predictable...i think (hope) the two will be hurt pretty bad...when Sasuke is goin to give the final blow(a slow final blow),Tobi might save Deidara and run like the wind!Fuuuuuuuuuuushhhhh :) 1 more thing Sasuke is not weak its Deidara who has prepared evrything for Sharingan users.Sasuke isnt fighting the young naruto of the first ep. he is fighting a master artist ninja.Hmm :D

It is true that Deidara has undergone some amazing character developement and that he became really strong. So strong that it may be even unfair to let Sasuke kill him, when they may be on comparable level of power. And there is actually one more thing that Deidara can do. He can compare Sasukes and Naturos powers for us by fighting both of them. We could see two versions of the same fight ... actually I am starting to wish for that possibility. Some chapters back he talked about meeting with both of the parties Sasuke's and Narutokun's so there is a possibility for that.

Chill0
June 30, 2007, 05:55 AM
haha deidara is so gonna barf all over sasuke :D. NOW EAT MY C4 , hmmmm. lmao ^_^

matsyes
June 30, 2007, 06:05 AM
i think though it appears that sauke is pwned ...He'll pull out some trick coz kishi has set him up for a big fall and wants sasuke humbled not dead!!! and If deidra succeeds with C4 sasuke can only be dead, not beaten but dead. My prediction goes that sasuke pulls some trick (maybe a whole body chidori that burns all the particles ...that would be wild :D) and he escapes from deidra but he is seriously weakened. Deidra will most probably die as he has pulled his last trick. But he will give sasuke some real doubts about his ability to face itachi.

pcxxy
June 30, 2007, 07:00 AM
I predict that:

Sasuke will quickly pull off his Chidori Sword and pierce through the head of Deidara. I mean come on, a ranged user sneaking up close to a melee fighter? Deidara's just asking for death. (but I predict this is also unlikely)

Alternatively, he could activate MS and teleport teh crap out of C4, but he might miss the timing a little and got his limb blown off in the process, so Deidara survives and the battle ends as a tie-ish...

Mendes
June 30, 2007, 08:11 AM
I never thought the fight would be this long. Deidara is showing amazing development. This is the perfect foe for sasuke to test his skills in comparison to his brother's, since deidara has trained himself to counter sharingan's genjutsu since his fight with Itachi.

I predict sasuke will have to pull out his biggest guns, and quick. I hope we'll see his 'that jutsu' soon

sKaR
June 30, 2007, 09:33 AM
wat a gr8 chapter-1st of all.I think by looking at sasuke when deidara said that "eat my c4"...there was no shock or any surprise on sasuke's face.all he says is "hmm"-which means more like "not if i can help" or" ohh...we'll c".It means he already has a counter even though dei has caught his leg.Im pretty sure...as throughout this chapter..most windows of each page focussed on sasukes sharingan eyes....sum cool new sharingan move is about to b revealed to us.Im really hoping its the mangekyou-as if he is ready to fight itachi hye must have obtained it or something of its level to counter it.or...if kishi chooses the more less interesting alternative...some hebi character will return n save sasuke in some way(fingers crossed-im betting on suigetsu)!!!

Littlewig
June 30, 2007, 09:50 AM
Sasuke is going to get out of this fight easily.

From the very beginning, Sasuke has noticed that Deidara has had one of his eyes closed during the fight(The left one). If you go back to the previous chapters, you'll notice it too.

A sharingan user would not ignore this information and would wonder what purpose of keeping the eye closed is for.

Also, I find it laughable that a sharingan user would mistake a clay bushin for a real person. Sasuke can detect fake kage bushins, he is not going to be fooled by a clay bushin.

I predict that Sasuke will easily put deidara in a tight spot, forcing him to reveal information on Itachi. Out of desperation, Deidara will kill himself with his C4, not wanting to face the shame of another sharingan user beating him and revealing anything on Itachi.

I believe this will happen because it will mean that Naruto and Sasuke will have to meet up some point later on since Naruto has the book on Asastuki.

ANBU4U
June 30, 2007, 09:56 AM
Sasuke is going to get out of this fight easily.

From the very beginning, Sasuke has noticed that Deidara has had one of his eyes closed during the fight(The left one). If you go back to the previous chapters, you'll notice it too.

A sharingan user would not ignore this information and would wonder what purpose of keeping the eye closed is for.

Also, I find it laughable that a sharingan user would mistake a clay bushin for a real person. Sasuke can detect fake kage bushins, he is not going to be fooled by a clay bushin.

I predict that Sasuke will easily put deidara in a tight spot, forcing him to reveal information on Itachi. Out of desperation, Deidara will kill himself with his C4, not wanting to face the shame of another sharingan user beating him and revealing anything on Itachi.

I believe this will happen because it will mean that Naruto and Sasuke will have to meet up some point later on since Naruto has the book on Asastuki.

I can't see Sasuke NOT knowing whats in that book already. Meaning it's useless.

Orochimaru seemed constantly aware of Akatsuki's goings on's and if only to keep Sasuke from thinking he could face them on his own (that worked great huh?) he would have shared all of his information with him.

On an off topic.....whatever happened to Oro's ring? I'm gonna say that either Sasuke or Kabuto took it...one of them for sure. No way it's just sitting there.

Shouji
June 30, 2007, 10:26 AM
i think sasuke lost this one , he will heve to rethink his plan to get to itachi. Someone will have to save him and escape , because if he even kills deidara , there still tobi left.
The preview for next chapter , the struggling road forward, i think refers to sasukes.

Decorus
June 30, 2007, 12:20 PM
Sasuke is going to get out of this fight easily.

From the very beginning, Sasuke has noticed that Deidara has had one of his eyes closed during the fight(The left one). If you go back to the previous chapters, you'll notice it too.

A sharingan user would not ignore this information and would wonder what purpose of keeping the eye closed is for.

Also, I find it laughable that a sharingan user would mistake a clay bushin for a real person. Sasuke can detect fake kage bushins, he is not going to be fooled by a clay bushin.



Its amazing what some people write.

Lets start off with a simple reality check.

Sasuke has an "Oh shit" expression on his face at the end of the chapter. He can no more detect Kage Bushin then Itachi can and its been long established they can't tell the difference between them and the real deal.

Also if you'll go back thru the chapters you can't tell if he has his left eye closed all the time or not. Its usually covered by his hair and his scouter like device since the begining of the fight. In 356, 357 and 358 its covered by his scouter device. In 359 he has both eyes open and only closes one when his clay clone creates C-4. Also if Sasuke had noticed then he would have realised that he was attacking a fake. Deidara had closed his right eye and opened his left eye before the Genjutsu attempt was made. So if Sasuke had noticed he would not have flown right into the trap since its obvious the one standing on the bird was a fake since it had the wrong eye open.

Sasuke is like captain obvious, he only notices the obvious things and tends to miss the little details.


If Kishi follows his standard pattern Sasuke will need to be rescued by a real man who will proceed to defeat Deidara in short order. Sasuke is like the guy who can't open up the pickle jar, he loosened it up for the person who comes in and does the real work.

Black/Light
June 30, 2007, 12:42 PM
"If Kishi follows his standard pattern Sasuke will need to be rescued by a real man who will proceed to defeat Deidara in short order. Sasuke is like the guy who can't open up the pickle jar, he loosened it up for the person who comes in and does the real work."

Wow, lol, thats alil harsh.

But I do think someone will come to save Sas and I also think Deidara will get away.

I think that by the title of the next chap it will be a Leaf Ninja that saves him and he sees that he has aways to go till he can go toe-to-toe with big bro.

Oh, and Sas had the "oh shit" look at the start of this chap too lol.

ANBU4U
June 30, 2007, 02:38 PM
Its amazing what some people write.

Lets start off with a simple reality check.

Sasuke has an "Oh shit" expression on his face at the end of the chapter. He can no more detect Kage Bushin then Itachi can and its been long established they can't tell the difference between them and the real deal.

Also if you'll go back thru the chapters you can't tell if he has his left eye closed all the time or not. Its usually covered by his hair and his scouter like device since the begining of the fight. In 356, 357 and 358 its covered by his scouter device. In 359 he has both eyes open and only closes one when his clay clone creates C-4. Also if Sasuke had noticed then he would have realised that he was attacking a fake. Deidara had closed his right eye and opened his left eye before the Genjutsu attempt was made. So if Sasuke had noticed he would not have flown right into the trap since its obvious the one standing on the bird was a fake since it had the wrong eye open.

Sasuke is like captain obvious, he only notices the obvious things and tends to miss the little details.


If Kishi follows his standard pattern Sasuke will need to be rescued by a real man who will proceed to defeat Deidara in short order. Sasuke is like the guy who can't open up the pickle jar, he loosened it up for the person who comes in and does the real work.

Hahaha. Maybe, we'll see.

I doubt it as of now though. I see Sasuke getting out of this one on his own. I can't speculate as to HOW he'll get out...either a KB is attacking Diedara...or more likely hey has a jutsu to fit the occasion. But i'll take the odds that their will be a lot of pissed fans next week....and that they won't be Sasuke-fangirls.

sharingan_kakashi
June 30, 2007, 03:03 PM
Obviously Deidara's contact lense absorb genjutsu. It's the only explination!

My old prediction of Sasuke being able to kill Deidara is fading fast. Holy crap that guy is crafty, he's making Sasuke look like a scared genin. It looks like you guys could be right, a rescue is in order lead by Naruto of course.

Juggernaut
June 30, 2007, 03:15 PM
I'm starting to really like this fight. before I was beginning to dislike the series in general, nowI like it again and have mroe respect for Sasuke because he is having such a hard time. It makes me want to cheer him on.

I think if anyone has to show up to save sasuke it needs to be Naruto or one of his group. this would make a great transition to burying the hatchet between them and having them be cool again. Then maybe they could go off and help each other out on their respected quests. if you think about it their goals are really similar now, fighting Akatsuki. So, to me it only makes sense for them all to meet up and head out together to acomplish their goals. Idn why but it would also kind make sense for Itachi to be killed by sasuke with the help of his friends. Kinda a we are stronger because of those around us kinda theme. And not this solo stuff. That kinda seems to be an underlying theme of the series in general starting from NAruto having no one in the beginning. Also with Gaara and his background.

Black/Light
June 30, 2007, 03:17 PM
Did anyone else notice that Sas didn't pop back both of his wings when he went CS2 again? I find that odd. . .I just assumed that it would grow back once he went CS2 again.
It would be interesting if he can't grow it back from now on.

And how the hell are a group a snakes failing in a general area a replacement for a wing? IDK. . .


But on topic, I don't think Sas made a KB to attack him. Really, just what reason would he have to do that? Deidara wouldn't be able to blow up the bird he was on because he doesn't want to get hit by that blast and he can't go anywhere else because of the C4. I don't think Sas just said "Well, I got him in a gin so he thinks Im dead AND theres nowhere for him to go now because if he could be in C4 than he wouldn't be just out of range of it. BUT Im going to hide over here and have a KB stab him in the back just to make sure."

That seems. . . more Naruto like seeing as he farts out clones like theres no tommorow.

Sas is in a pinch and theres noway around it. He has not only used CS2 twice but he has also used the Chidori Sword twice, Chidori needles once, summoned a large Snake once, summoned alot of smaller snakes twice and he has also done a reg Chidori once as well as a gin. On top of that he has also had the dog mess blown out of him by bombs a few times and he is missing a wing.

Not to say that he can't do more. . . but he has to be running low now or atleast stressing his limates. The use of CS2 should be enuff to drain his chakra alone. I don't think he will do some brand new powerful attack but who knows. I feel that, by looking at the "Oh shit" look on his face and the title for the next chpter, that someone will help him and he will feel like shit because he almost died.

I hope that someone is Kak. He could use his MS to suck up the C4 gas. . . or atleast I think he can >_>.

Karma
June 30, 2007, 05:16 PM
I expect Sasuke to trick Deidara again and also uses Kage Bunshin. Deidara will get is self killed. while sasuke reach is limit from using the CS2 twice in a battle for a long period of time. a member from Hebi will be there to catch Sasuke before he passed out..

Tobi will run off after realizing that Deidara killed is self.. on is way someone from the leaf village or a member of Hebi. He'll either get captured by leaf village or escape from hebi by either killing someone from Hebi or wounding someone....


Naruto won't be shown for a while because the next time Kishi shown Naruto he'll be reading the book or he'll be in front of the 5th hokage.. We all know that Naruto not going to let yamoto or kakashi have is book.


The last senario - Naruto came in time and use is wind element to defeat Diedara. letting him get killed by is own CS4. because we all know that Naruto wind can blow the radiation towards Deidara. Sasuke will see that he's not ready for Itachi battle even after this battle. I think naruto showing up or Kakashi will show Sasuke that he's still not ready. Because Naruto & Kakashi is still stronger than you.

If sasuke did that Jutsu. it would be surely to have some affect on him that will leave him in bad shape. just like Naruto did with FRS Jutsu..

Fuzion
June 30, 2007, 06:32 PM
You guys keep talking about the "Oh shit" look on Sasuke's face. But, even when his brother did his Genjustu on Deidara he put on a "Oh shit" face as well (As an act) and ended up making Deidara look like doo doo in the end. I know some will say that Deidara is stronger now and things will be different because of his left eye, but you never know.

Anyways, now to my prediction. I think the whole fight is a Genjustu. I don't think anything that has happened so far is real, sort of like the Itachi Vs. Deidara fight. Anyone agree? LoL.

warbandit66
June 30, 2007, 07:13 PM
It wouldnt make sense if the whole fight turned out to be a genjutsu since sasuke knows nothing about deidara's jutsu therefore deidara would not fall for sasuke's improvised immitations

Shouji
June 30, 2007, 07:20 PM
predictions are :
1- Sasuke escapes somehow.
2- He will know naruto defeat someone of Akatsuki on his on by suigetsu.
3- Sasuke will become badsass like in the end of first part, stop this emo thing i cant kill anyone, and become a real ninja. And stop this thing , i am a uchiha , i rule the world XD

Juggernaut
June 30, 2007, 07:45 PM
I think something totally unexpected will happen. I mean who here predicted Deidara would turn into a giant statue then blow up?

Fuzion
June 30, 2007, 08:09 PM
It wouldnt make sense if the whole fight turned out to be a genjutsu since sasuke knows nothing about deidara's jutsu therefore deidara would not fall for sasuke's improvised immitations

I don't think it's ever mattered for a ninja to have to know another ninja's justu to put them under a genjustu. although, the ninja being put under a genjustu can notice he/she has been put under a genjustu if the genjustu is weak. Or, in Deidara's case, his left eye, because so far it looks like it can help him out. Therefore making your implications also true.

Skeith
June 30, 2007, 09:32 PM
i think the only part that was the genjutsu was just sasuke getting hit with it, as soon as he saw the other animals he could react the same way (w/ the genjutsu)

i dont know how dei will attack now but i think he might use his bird to finish it. i mean isn't he running low on chakra, more bombs would be less likely if he is but idk, hopefully Tobi will continue with his greatness and maybe if deidara does die, he'll show a little bit of his fighting prowess

SacredNic
June 30, 2007, 10:59 PM
I reckon that Deidara will defeat Sasuke to the point where Sasuke's
critically injured and knocked out. Then Itachi will come on the scene
and finish Deidara off before taking Sasuke captive.

Since Tobi's not around, Itachi will tell the Leader that Deidara died
at Sasuke's hands.


That way, Naruto will be lured into a trap to save Sasuke from Itachi.

Karma
June 30, 2007, 11:48 PM
I reckon that Deidara will defeat Sasuke to the point where Sasuke's
critically injured and knocked out. Then Itachi will come on the scene
and finish Deidara off before taking Sasuke captive.

Since Tobi's not around, Itachi will tell the Leader that Deidara died
at Sasuke's hands.


That way, Naruto will be lured into a trap to save Sasuke from Itachi.
Thats a good one too.. Because i feel that kishi going to let Diedara die by Itachi or Garra hand. Just the look on Itachi face after Deidara mention Sasuke name.. He know that Deidara wanted to fight him instead of sasuke..

But what i would like to see though is sasuke winning the battle. but he doesn't kill Deidara. because Deidara got away in time.. leaving sasuke to question is self and head out to find naruto to achieve MS. Naruto fight him this time and beat him with is own power. then Kakashi will come in time to tell sasuke that he train him to obtain the MS within week.

I wanted to see sasuke & naruto fight so badly.. but it won't happen... :(

Gundulf
June 30, 2007, 11:55 PM
I think something totally unexpected will happen. I mean who here predicted Deidara would turn into a giant statue then blow up?

I didn't posted it but i was thinking the same thing, i could not see the tiny bombs though hehe. i think this fight show us the reason for which deidara must live on. hes no longer a fu fu character hes important hes powerful he even trained to fight against Mangekyu sharingan(so i believe). i may add that i think naruto is the one to come, but people stop babbling about sasuke been healed by the leaf, hes an enemy of the leaf as things are atm. he left the village without permission and joined the hokage murderer.... hes not be welcome and live forever happy. on a side note i love the way sasuke is mortal again, ha ha even though i know his worst adversary is his brother who he cant see for hes scared and will always be that he has no power enough to beat his own blood.

sKaR
July 01, 2007, 12:55 AM
I think may b sasuke knew that dei on the bird was a clone.But he did not know where the real dei was.So he had to make himself a target by attacking the clone to get the real dei to come into the open.Since his sharingan is always active may b he can apply the genjutsu on dei again.Remember dei says that his left eye can SLOWLY break the genjutsu of sharingan.That means on such short notice it would'nt b fast enough before sasuke can take dei out.I think sasuke will reapply the genjutsu now n before dei's eye can break it...he will have gone through one of dei's vital points already-as it seems dei aint gonna talk!!!

Littlewig
July 01, 2007, 01:11 AM
Its amazing what some people write.

Lets start off with a simple reality check.

Sasuke has an "Oh shit" expression on his face at the end of the chapter. He can no more detect Kage Bushin then Itachi can and its been long established they can't tell the difference between them and the real deal.

Doesn't prove anything. Reaction is obviously an act.


Also if you'll go back thru the chapters you can't tell if he has his left eye closed all the time or not. Its usually covered by his hair and his scouter like device since the begining of the fight. In 356, 357 and 358 its covered by his scouter device. In 359 he has both eyes open and only closes one when his clay clone creates C-4.

Wrong. First of all, his clone didn't create the C-4, that is ridiculous to think so. At the beginning of 359, he loses his gadget that covers his left eye, for the rest of the fight, his left eye is covered or hard to make out until the end when he starts to create the C4, which is clearing closed from the very beginning of the move. Not only does Deidara has his left eye closed, the C4 also has his left eye closed. To suggest that Sasuke doesn't notice this is skating the end of being delusional.


Also if Sasuke had noticed then he would have realised that he was attacking a fake.

There is no fake to notice since the real Deidara made the C4.


Deidara had closed his right eye and opened his left eye before the Genjutsu attempt was made. So if Sasuke had noticed he would not have flown right into the trap since its obvious the one standing on the bird was a fake since it had the wrong eye open.


Wrong again. Deidara clearing still has his left eye closed when the genjustu is on, and after the C4 kills the fake sasuke when he celebrates sasuke death. He only opens his left eye and closes his right until after the sasuke fakes his death and the genjustu has been put on Deidara. Also, there is no evidence that the genjustu isn't still in play. For all we know Deidara can only detect that a sharingan genjustu is on him, not get rid of it.



Sasuke is like captain obvious, he only notices the obvious things and tends to miss the little details.

If Kishi follows his standard pattern Sasuke will need to be rescued by a real man who will proceed to defeat Deidara in short order. Sasuke is like the guy who can't open up the pickle jar, he loosened it up for the person who comes in and does the real work.

Clearly you have some unrational hatred toward Sasuke. To suggest that Sasuke does not notice Deidara had his left eye closed for chapter 359 and 360 and to think that Deidara's clone made the C4 is foolish.

Do us a favor and go back and read the chapters before making stuff up.



Also, if you guys are wondering when Deidara made his clone, it is during page 7 on chapter 360 when he says vanish. You can tell it is a clone because he no longer has the drool/blood coming from his mouth which was present for the whole chapter up to that point.

Nara Twig
July 01, 2007, 01:14 AM
I didn't posted it but i was thinking the same thing, i could not see the tiny bombs though hehe. i think this fight show us the reason for which deidara must live on. hes no longer a fu fu character hes important hes powerful he even trained to fight against Mangekyu sharingan(so i believe). i may add that i think naruto is the one to come, but people stop babbling about sasuke been healed by the leaf, hes an enemy of the leaf as things are atm. he left the village without permission and joined the hokage murderer.... hes not be welcome and live forever happy. on a side note i love the way sasuke is mortal again, ha ha even though i know his worst adversary is his brother who he cant see for hes scared and will always be that he has no power enough to beat his own blood.

See, I think that this is all just being thrown at us so that when Sasuke does beat him it'll look that much more impressive. Kishimoto's just building him up to feed him to Sasuke, and make him big and strong. I really don't think it's going to be all that long before there's a Sasuke and Itachi showdown, and we've got to believe that Sasuke can handle that when he gets there, otherwise there'll be no point to it.

Littlewig
July 01, 2007, 01:25 AM
See, I think that this is all just being thrown at us so that when Sasuke does beat him it'll look that much more impressive. Kishimoto's just building him up to feed him to Sasuke, and make him big and strong. I really don't think it's going to be all that long before there's a Sasuke and Itachi showdown, and we've got to believe that Sasuke can handle that when he gets there, otherwise there'll be no point to it.

I have to agree, this isn't inspector gadget where the bad guys get away and try to again another time.

We have everything we need from Deidara so far, he will only be extra baggage after this fight is over and there is no point in seeing Deidara fight again since it will be the same old same.

Deidara has spent all his chakra on the C4, he's finished.

Shabanga
July 01, 2007, 01:42 AM
Next chapter we should definatley see something from the Konoha team.i mean,after that giant explosion of the C4 the Konoha team had to of sensed it if not seen it.
would be great to find out more about tobi too.like his abilities and background(obito theory anyone?!?!)

j9virtue
July 01, 2007, 03:49 AM
I still think the death of Deidara is reserved for Gaara. I believe that would a better end result than sasuke doing the honor. This fight makes us like Deidara, and for that I think he will survive this battle. Plus... what stops Tobi from coming in the last second to rescue him if necessary i mean we've really seen absolutely nothing from him in terms of his akatsuki-ness lol.

taimoor2
July 01, 2007, 06:08 AM
i mean,after that giant explosion of the C4 the Konoha team had to of sensed it if not seen it.

The C4 didn't had ANY explosion. There was no explosion at all!


.I still think the death of Deidara is reserved for Gaara. I believe that would a better end result than sasuke doing the honor. This fight makes us like Deidara, and for that I think he will survive this battle. Plus... what stops Tobi from coming in the last second to rescue him if necessary i mean we've really seen absolutely nothing from him in terms of his akatsuki-ness lol.

Even though I also want garra to kill deidara(Gaara must have atleast one more fight, I want to see his techniques and power after the extraction of bijuu, he is still the kazekage so I am sure he is not weak), I know in my heart that sasuke is going to kill deidara right now. Also, another deidara fight will be just lame(Deidara is not a main character/villian and he have had 3 fight already two of which were above 3/4 chapter long. This fight is also extremely long and expecting kishi to show more of deidara is just not cool!

Also, I will restate my prediction. Sasuke is not going down! There is no way! Look at it logically. If team naruto come and help him than we must expect sasuke to either join them or declare officially that he is a total asshole! I mean if they save him, he should atleast go back to konoha. If that happens, what was the point of forming Hebi? What will happen to team hebi members? If team hebi dissolves and everyone goes there own way that would be pure lame! So sasuke is not going back to konoha anytime soon atleast until this team hebi completes the task for which it was created!

Also think this. If sasuke loses here than he is in no way capable of fighting itachi in next 5/6 years atleast. In this battle he has serious elemental advantage(I mean comeon, if he can't win against a sand user with all those crazy chidori techniques, he is indeed weak!) That means he must train himself. Now tell me, where will he train? Who is going to train him now? Kakashi?Yamato? Naruto? I highly doubt it! That will involve him coming back to konoha and that is not possible.

Sasuke is gonna win easily, deidara is done for. Sasuke will be injured but he will easily win. Tobi might save deidara but nothing is gonna happen to sasuke!:tem

juUnior
July 01, 2007, 06:22 AM
What I predict? What was said in the chapter in the end. that this fight will reach conclusion.

What conclusion? It's rather obvius that Saske will win, but no matter what, I don't want death of Deidara, his a cool character ehh :D
On a sidenote, what will be a conclusion, I dunno, but Saske will defiently something do to prevent beieng exploded hiehie ^^
That's all :x

PredatorNar
July 01, 2007, 10:18 AM
Why do people keeping saying Deidara has developed a lot? He's Akatsuki, he was always this powerful. The only reason you didn't see this kind of fighting before was because he was fighting Gaara (a long range fighter) and he was fleeing from Naruto and Kakashi (not trying to fight them at all; if he made the C4 Garuda and made it explode then Team Konoha would be dead; Kakashi only teleported part of the clone bomb, remember)

I think you guys foolishly wrote off Deidara because you saw him fight once (It just shows how good Deidara is because he doesn't need to use all his techniques to pull out the win; Ask Gaara).

Also, Deidara proved that Genjutsu can be dispelled. Also, Mendes said Deidara is asking for death by going close-range? You think Deidara is dumb? He obviously knows Sasuke's range and he knows what he's doing.

My prediction is that Deidara will do something crazy to Sasuke (maybe use the mouth on his hand to gnaw off Sasuke's foot :P). Anyway, it wouldn't be too much of a surprise to me if Sasuke is actually killed here. Too many people have mistaken Sasuke as the main character here and his journey is just a subplot. Furthermore, his death would just spark a big change in Naruto's character (but I kinda doubt his death will happen, but if it did, I wouldn't be disappointed).

Alterno
July 01, 2007, 10:44 AM
Maybe we'll see Sasuke using the jutsu that he was about to use against team kakashi, but I think that someone from team hebi (Karin or Suigetso) or Someone from team konoha (naruto, sakura or kakashi) is coming to the rescue. I don't think that Sasuke's sharingan will be effective against deidara at this point. But for sure deidara dies in the next chapter, he needs to or at least tobi. :D

Juggernaut
July 01, 2007, 10:53 AM
YOu know I agree that all this is really the subplot. So, I wouldn't get too worked up about it. In fact I'm probably 75% sure at this point sasuke will die before the series ends. it jsut makes sense to me. Someone mentioned he ran off with orochimaru the hokage killer and went all evil and is still an enemy of konoha. Very true, thats hard to just forget. Not like they will meet in the forest after this fight and all go get tea together and shoot the breeze about the good ole days.

PredatorNar
July 01, 2007, 11:05 AM
The only thing Sasuk's Sharingan can do is a) copy movements/jutsus b) now use Genjutsu

Now for a - Deidara's fighting style doesn't let Sasuke's Sharingan do anything unless the Sharingan can randomly create a clay bird, create mouths on his palms and make bombs =\

And for b - Deidara showed he is trained to dispel Genjutsu so I wouldn't be depending on the Sharingan much at this point.

taimoor2
July 01, 2007, 11:43 AM
My prediction is that Deidara will do something crazy to Sasuke (maybe use the mouth on his hand to gnaw off Sasuke's foot :P). Anyway, it wouldn't be too much of a surprise to me if Sasuke is actually killed here. Too many people have mistaken Sasuke as the main character here and his journey is just a subplot. Furthermore, his death would just spark a big change in Naruto's character (but I kinda doubt his death will happen, but if it did, I wouldn't be disappointed).

What is your definition of a main character? Sasuke is not the protagonist but he IS one main character. Infact, he is just as important as Naruto. He may die but that would only be towards the very end. Sasuke and Naruto's lifes are tid together and kishi shows the development of these two characters to contrast two different personalities. By all means, sasuke is a main character(and so are kakashi and sakura but sasuke is even more of a main character than them!).


Someone mentioned he ran off with orochimaru the hokage killer and went all evil and is still an enemy of konoha. Very true, thats hard to just forget.

As he explained before, it was a plan all along. Sasuke intended to betray orochimaru! There was a risk of him getting possessed but he didn't knew that oro intends to perform the ritual right away! He though he will be trained a little atleast(and that is what that happenned)! He didn't helped oro kill anyone or helped oro in any way, he even never ever respected oro and always treated him like a bitch! And lets not forget he also killed oro despite his NO KILL policy! The only thing he did wrong was smacking sakura on the back of her head and than lifting her and laying her down on a bench(she was not found on a road, she was laying down on a bench) and he had to smack her coz she was shouting(he didn't wanted too).. Sorry guys, I can't really see how sasuke is evil!

Decorus
July 01, 2007, 11:53 AM
Some people need to reread the manga.

1. C-4 explodes a clay clone of Deidara so yes there is an explosion and no Deidara does not blow himself up.

2. The one coming out of the bird is also a clone as Deidara does not blow himself up when he uses his C-4. (There are also no arm wounds or blood on his mouth Deidara needs to work on his clone creating Naruto isn't this sloppy when creating clones of himself)

3. Sasuke has not gone all evil and never joined Orochimaru. He went undercover and when he finished learning all he could from Orochimaru he eliminated him as a threat to the village, sadly this merely turned Kabuto into a bigger threat to Konoha. There are no members of Konoha who treat Sasuke as an enemy except the leader of Root. When Sasuke goes back to Konoha he will get a nice parade and a medal pinned on his chest. Of course its pretty damn near impossible to convince Sasuke to return until after Itachi has been dealt with. No I don't hate Sasuke I just can't respect a kid who talks big and when the time comes lets me down by not doing what he claims he's willing to do. I honestly can't understand how people can worship a guy who is all talk and no action. "I'll plunge myself into Darkness" Okay all you need to do to beat your brother is gain MS and Naruto is lying at your feet out cold so do it. "I spared you on a whim" Oh brother he's all talk no action. Come on Sasuke if your gonna kill him stop hesitating and do it already...
Even Orochimaru was making jokes about how Sasuke just doesn't have what it takes. Then Sasuke predictably turns on Orochimaru and doesn't even have the balls to kill him then and Orochimaru deserves it. "I didn't kill you so you could tell me where my brother is." Hmm isn't that the same place he hit Naruto, when Naruto managed to"Deflect" the attack at the last moment? So that leads me to the question did Naruto really stop it or did Sasuke miss on purpose?

Now currently Sasuke may or may not be able to get out of his current problems, but he is unlikely to be able to kill Deidara since he isn't even fighting against the real thing. One thing we know for certain is Deidara like Itachi is very concerned with his own survival and will retreat if he believes he's losing to continue to fight for another day. That is the biggest difference between Deidara and the ones who died primarly because they did not believe they could be either killed or defeated.

The end result of this fight no matter what happens is Sasuke will not kill Deidara he just doesn't have the balls to do it.

shachi
July 01, 2007, 11:59 AM
In the next chapter, Sasuke will force Deidara to open his right eye by physically injuring the left one. taking away his advantage and making him susceptible to genjutsu again. Juugo and nearby Konoha nins, who have been patiently observing the battle, will have to choose between retreating to a safe distance or interfering in the battle, when Deidara threatens the use of C3.

PredatorNar
July 01, 2007, 12:06 PM
What is your definition of a main character? Sasuke is not the protagonist but he IS one main character. Infact, he is just as important as Naruto. He may die but that would only be towards the very end. Sasuke and Naruto's lifes are tid together and kishi shows the development of these two characters to contrast two different personalities. By all means, sasuke is a main character(and so are kakashi and sakura but sasuke is even more of a main character than them!).

Naruto is THE main character. That's why the manga is called "Naruto." Sasuke is not as important as Naruto here. Like Sakura in the Sasori fight, this battle is just to show character development. Don't get that confused with him being the main character, because his issue with Itachi is still a sub-plot. Sasuke may be Naruto's rival, but Naruto is THE main character, which means Naruto will not die in the manga and if he does, it will be the end of the manga. On the other hand, Sasuke can die. And you may be thinking that if Sasuke dies it has to be in a battle with Naruto or Itachi. That would be how a traditional manga/anime does it, but I always got the feeling that Kishi is trying to be as unpredictable as possible.


As he explained before, it was a plan all along. Sasuke intended to betray orochimaru! There was a risk of him getting possessed but he didn't knew that oro intends to perform the ritual right away! He though he will be trained a little atleast(and that is what that happenned)! He didn't helped oro kill anyone or helped oro in any way, he even never ever respected oro and always treated him like a bitch! And lets not forget he also killed oro despite his NO KILL policy! The only thing he did wrong was smacking sakura on the back of her head and than lifting her and laying her down on a bench(she was not found on a road, she was laying down on a bench) and he had to smack her coz she was shouting(he didn't wanted too).. Sorry guys, I can't really see how sasuke is evil!

Sasuke doesn't have a No-Kill policy. He simply just doesn't kill innocent people. That's basically like everyone else in Konoha. They will kill the person who deserves to die but they won't kill innocent people.

76trombones
July 01, 2007, 01:13 PM
The only thing Sasuk's Sharingan can do is a) copy movements/jutsus b) now use Genjutsu

Now for a - Deidara's fighting style doesn't let Sasuke's Sharingan do anything unless the Sharingan can randomly create a clay bird, create mouths on his palms and make bombs =\

And for b - Deidara showed he is trained to dispel Genjutsu so I wouldn't be depending on the Sharingan much at this point.

That's not entirely true. The sharingan is also capable of seeing the enemy's movements slightly ahead of time so he can react much faster than the average ninja. So he can still rely on his sharingan for that.

Hmmm ... looks like we've erupted into several conversations here.

Sasuke is indeed A main character, but Naruto is THE main character. So it's true ... Sasuke could die here. I don't think that he will ... inevitably Sasuke will be forced to face Itachi one way or another before the manga ends. Naruto and Sasuke will PROBABLY fight at least one more time. But as for now, I personally believe/hope that Sasuke will be captured by Deidara, alive, and brought back to Akatsuki. Why? Because this creates another rescue Sasuke arc, and another chance for Naruto to catch up with Sasuke and have another character-building conversation with him. Maybe this time Sasuke will truly go back to Konoha with Naruto, but I think he may have grander plans.

This fight is nearing its end, but I personally hope that we will see what's going on with the other teams. I can't predict what would happen with them ... but it would at least be interesting if they made an appearance.



1. C-4 explodes a clay clone of Deidara so yes there is an explosion and no Deidara does not blow himself up.



Yes and no. The C-4 isn't your typical explosion ... if you notice there was no huge bang and the forest didn't go boom. But there are tiny little bombs EVERYWHERE that explode, essentially disintegrating everything in the vicinity of the detonation of the C-4. That's why Sasuke's genjutsu made it appear as though he were being withered away piece by piece ... each tiny bomb exploded on him and took away tiny piece by tiny piece.

kingfencer
July 01, 2007, 01:29 PM
.... why would she only train one eye to block the sharingan?

patrick_tambu
July 01, 2007, 01:37 PM
My prediction is that someone else is poppin' out... Can't say it's from konoha or hebi, either way this one is going to help Sasuke. (i don't think Sasuke will need any help even if it may seems so by now...)

rionin
July 01, 2007, 01:47 PM
next chapter

Sasuske owns Deidara somehow
Tobi runs into some konoho or hebi maybe Kakashi or Juugo he gets away though can't kill him yet :)
Itachi is going to be in front of Naruto at end of chapter

Darrenj
July 01, 2007, 02:18 PM
sasuke is going to become pikachu and his is "spark" attack against him, its going to end lamely I predict

Krisel
July 01, 2007, 02:47 PM
Come on...
Sasuke:Pika pika...???....=>Spark=>Deidare PWNED...that was a good one.

I remember that Sas told naruto when they battled that he was able to see through Bunshin's with his Sharingan.How come he didnt know that Dei did a Clay Clone?Maybe he has smth in mind,and is acting naive,as a Pikachu. :D hahaha

Poor Dei is goin to do smth desperate,i think.dmn!Like baby feeding.
(Convincing Sasuke-baby chan eating the c4 on a spoon)
Dei:Look Sasuke-kun,the train is coming,woosh...Come on,open the mouth and EAT MY C4!
Innocent Sas:But i dont like it :)
Dei:Come on.It will make u a strong and big ninja.You will probably become stronger that Itachi.
Sas:Really?Ok.Ill eat it.And ill become stronger than Itachi
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40018000/jpg/_40018973_spoon2031.jpgNext chapter:SASUKE MEETING HIS DEATH?LOL?EATING C4?hahahaha

PredatorNar
July 01, 2007, 02:51 PM
Training 1 eye to counter the Sharingan is probably easier than both eyes. Plus, it will probably confuse the Sharingan user.

Also, to the guy who said the Sharingan can predict opponent's moves. As I said Deidara isn't the average opponent. He stays up and sets up bomb tactics. You can't predict where the bomb will fly or where he plants them. The bomb simply is drawn to the enemy (like heat-seeking probably) and all Deidara does is detonate it.

Let's end the sub-topics swiftly.

C4animax
July 01, 2007, 05:34 PM
As i said in the other the 360 thread discution, i believe that deidara is still in sasuke genjutsu and believe he's holding him...that'd a nice situation :D

richtoyz
July 01, 2007, 07:24 PM
idon't think the sharingan can identify a real clone
as evidence itachi used his genjutsu on kakashi and it was only when it failed that he realize that it was a clone and now sasuke did the same thing

lordHokage
July 01, 2007, 07:30 PM
Next chapter, Sasuke will sincerely confess his mistakes and return home. :)

PredatorNar
July 01, 2007, 08:59 PM
I'm pretty sure when Sasuke said he could see Naruto's shadow clones, he was just psyching him out. There have been instances where it's shown the sharingan cannot detect them, but by psyching Naruto out, he can find the real one by the body language or reactions.

Mecca83
July 01, 2007, 09:04 PM
Wasn't that an anime only statement made by Sasuke in the small filler skirmish before the actual valley of the ends fight.

ornis
July 01, 2007, 09:18 PM
Let's be sure to give/address questions in a manner that reinforces predictions and leads back to them. If any exemplary action (asking/answering) tappers off-topic, it will be deleted.

Fuzion
July 01, 2007, 09:59 PM
As i said in the other the 360 thread discution, i believe that deidara is still in sasuke genjutsu and believe he's holding him...that'd a nice situation :D

That's pretty much what I said earlier on in this thread! (On page 2)

taimoor2
July 01, 2007, 10:25 PM
Some people need to reread the manga.

1. C-4 explodes a clay clone of Deidara so yes there is an explosion and no Deidara does not blow himself up.

There is no explosion as in grand sense. Off course billion of nano bombs exploded but a grand explosion as in with a lot of voice etc didn't happenned.




2. The one coming out of the bird is also a clone as Deidara does not blow himself up when he uses his C-4. (There are also no arm wounds or blood on his mouth Deidara needs to work on his clone creating Naruto isn't this sloppy when creating clones of himself)

Agreed.:)


3. Sasuke has not gone all evil and never joined Orochimaru. He went undercover and when he finished learning all he could from Orochimaru he eliminated him as a threat to the village, sadly this merely turned Kabuto into a bigger threat to Konoha.
The kauto threat was unexpected and uncalled for. Who would have imagined he was such a freak!


There are no members of Konoha who treat Sasuke as an enemy except the leader of Root.
To be honest yes! No one treats him as an enemy. When naruto said "so is he coming back" jiraya replied "doesn't looks like it". If he was an enemy, jiraya would say something like "He will never dare to! Or he is an enemy how can he come back!"


When Sasuke goes back to Konoha he will get a nice parade and a medal pinned on his chest.
Actually I think yes!:p :D When he goes back he would have done something for the village but thats far far down the road. Till now he hasn't harmed the village and hasn't helped it. He risked giving sharingan to oro but also keep in mind the risk involved him actually dying! He risked his life more!


Of course its pretty damn near impossible to convince Sasuke to return until after Itachi has been dealt with. No I don't hate Sasuke I just can't respect a kid who talks big and when the time comes lets me down by not doing what he claims he's willing to do. I honestly can't understand how people can worship a guy who is all talk and no action. "I'll plunge myself into Darkness" Okay all you need to do to beat your brother is gain MS and Naruto is lying at your feet out cold so do it. "I spared you on a whim" Oh brother he's all talk no action. Come on Sasuke if your gonna kill him stop hesitating and do it already...
Even Orochimaru was making jokes about how Sasuke just doesn't have what it takes. Then Sasuke predictably turns on Orochimaru and doesn't even have the balls to kill him then and Orochimaru deserves it. "I didn't kill you so you could tell me where my brother is." Hmm isn't that the same place he hit Naruto, when Naruto managed to"Deflect" the attack at the last moment? So that leads me to the question did Naruto really stop it or did Sasuke miss on purpose?

Most probably sasuke missed on purpose. It only goes on to show he is not evil! You are contradicting yourself.


Now currently Sasuke may or may not be able to get out of his current problems, but he is unlikely to be able to kill Deidara since he isn't even fighting against the real thing. One thing we know for certain is Deidara like Itachi is very concerned with his own survival and will retreat if he believes he's losing to continue to fight for another day. That is the biggest difference between Deidara and the ones who died primarly because they did not believe they could be either killed or defeated.

Again, I agree. But if there is another deidara fight, I will be dissappointed. We have seen all his ultimate techniques(what can be greater than c4? C5 would be lame!)



The end result of this fight no matter what happens is Sasuke will not kill Deidara he just doesn't have the balls to do it.

In other words, he doesn't want to kill people. Definitely, it shows how evil he is. I agree. :)

Littlewig
July 01, 2007, 11:08 PM
As i said in the other the 360 thread discution, i believe that deidara is still in sasuke genjutsu and believe he's holding him...that'd a nice situation :D

I'm not quite sure if this is true. If you remember back to earlier when Sasuke made it look like he dies from the C4, he was missing his arm guards. The Sasuke being grabbed by Deidara has all the little details intact. It has the missing left sandel he lost when he stepped on the mine, and he has the sword sheath on his back left side.

Only possible hint that the genjustu is still intact is Sasuke's regained ability to fly. It's pretty fishy that he went through all the trouble of jumping off his sword to reach Deidara when he could simple replace his wings with Snakes. I find it pretty hard to believe that Sasuke could regain his ability to fly so easily.

Edit- The people predicting that Deidara will survive are in my opinion raising false hopes. Sasori's foreshadowed Deidara's death in the flashback(it's quite an ironic foreshadowing though since Sasori died first XD ) Deidara is going to die.

cfdgl
July 01, 2007, 11:30 PM
sasuke will win with so much injure and hebi team arrives at the moment.
then they leave. naruto CS will arrive at the battle spot finding that there was a huge battle there and they actually too late

voidyou17
July 02, 2007, 12:41 AM
Sasuke will get lucky and escape Deidaras C4 only because the stiches in Deidaras arms will come loose and Sasuke will be walking around with his arms attached to his legs for the rest of the manga... well I was kidding about the last part but I still believe in chapter 355 page 8-9 that Kishi showed Deidaras arm for a reason and him saying "well, so far so good... yeah" as he looks down at hes arm

Nara Twig
July 02, 2007, 02:03 AM
Ya know, I kind of forgot about Sasuke only being out to kill one man. Itachi. But I still think that Deidara's done for, he'll probably die at the hands of his own explosion. Or maybe. Wow. Maybe, Sasuke will have him pinned down. Chidori sword sticking into his shoulder with just one pulse of lightnigng energy needed to totalle fry Deidara. And so Deidara starts talking, and then much to Sasuke's horror, Tobi just wipes out his sempai and starts ripping into Sasuke too. That would be so awesome. I'm sorry, maybe I'm just a little finely toasted right now, but if you ask me that would be the most badass way to introduce Tobi's identity, maybe his bloodlimit, or at least his chakra type.

SacredNic
July 02, 2007, 02:51 AM
Naruto is THE main character. That's why the manga is called "Naruto." Sasuke is not as important as Naruto here. Like Sakura in the Sasori fight, this battle is just to show character development. Don't get that confused with him being the main character, because his issue with Itachi is still a sub-plot. Sasuke may be Naruto's rival, but Naruto is THE main character, which means Naruto will not die in the manga and if he does, it will be the end of the manga. On the other hand, Sasuke can die. And you may be thinking that if Sasuke dies it has to be in a battle with Naruto or Itachi. That would be how a traditional manga/anime does it, but I always got the feeling that Kishi is trying to be as unpredictable as possible.

Oooh if Sasuke dies and Naruto ends up becoming an anti-hero cos he can't handle it ... I'd be like all bows to Kishi! w00t! :tem

Seriously... I reckon that Kishi's the kinda mangaka who'd do something as dramatic as that too. ;)

bighawke5
July 02, 2007, 04:41 AM
Its amazing what some people write.

Lets start off with a simple reality check.

Sasuke has an "Oh shit" expression on his face at the end of the chapter. He can no more detect Kage Bushin then Itachi can and its been long established they can't tell the difference between them and the real deal.

Also if you'll go back thru the chapters you can't tell if he has his left eye closed all the time or not. Its usually covered by his hair and his scouter like device since the begining of the fight. In 356, 357 and 358 its covered by his scouter device. In 359 he has both eyes open and only closes one when his clay clone creates C-4. Also if Sasuke had noticed then he would have realised that he was attacking a fake. Deidara had closed his right eye and opened his left eye before the Genjutsu attempt was made. So if Sasuke had noticed he would not have flown right into the trap since its obvious the one standing on the bird was a fake since it had the wrong eye open.

Sasuke is like captain obvious, he only notices the obvious things and tends to miss the little details.


If Kishi follows his standard pattern Sasuke will need to be rescued by a real man who will proceed to defeat Deidara in short order. Sasuke is like the guy who can't open up the pickle jar, he loosened it up for the person who comes in and does the real work.


nicely written i also believe that this will create speculations amongst fans here becuz the person that would defeat deidara if he comes to rescue sasuke well be someone we already know and when he does defeat deidara some will say "he's stronger then..." completely ignorin the fact that deidara is weakened after the previous fight with sasuke so anybody thats commin to attack him fresh had an advantage...

but it could also go another way 2 that would be diff from someone actually saving sasuke..
it could go like:
sasuke defeats deidara but gets gravely injured in the process...and someone comes l8tr to try to heal him or help him up and stuff (either someone from hebi or naruto's crew)..in that case he would be captured by naruto's group but maybe then someone from hebi comes also and intercepts and take him with them...

there are many ways it could go from here but we all came to realize that sasuke cant do much but rely on cs2 like crazy...not even cs...but cs2, and he's trully fighting and focused on this fight at least 90 percent cuz he aint playing and deidara isnt takin it easy on him...i wonder what tobi well do?

u guys can predict watever about tobi but it may not become tru since he's like naruto..umpredictable and if kishi makes him tru to his character then he might even surprise us or not in the next chapters LOL

another thing...ppl might not realized it but sasuke has also gone all out on deidara and he might not look it but he's getting tired and his chakra supply and stamina(no matter how much he increased his chakra reserves...he still aint naruto lol)
its after the fight that he feels the effects!!!..(remember the naruto vs sasuke fight)
well thats my take on this anyway

C4animax
July 02, 2007, 11:44 AM
That's pretty much what I said earlier on in this thread! (On page 2)
Sorry too lazy to read the other posts :p.



idon't think the sharingan can identify a real clone
as evidence itachi used his genjutsu on kakashi and it was only when it failed that he realize that it was a clone and now sasuke did the same thing

Well he did say something like "you hide yourself behind a kagebushin/doton (or whatever) so it was too late for me to realize..."...


I'm not quite sure if this is true. If you remember back to earlier when Sasuke made it look like he dies from the C4, he was missing his arm guards. The Sasuke being grabbed by Deidara has all the little details intact. It has the missing left sandel he lost when he stepped on the mine, and he has the sword sheath on his back left side.

Only possible hint that the genjustu is still intact is Sasuke's regained ability to fly. It's pretty fishy that he went through all the trouble of jumping off his sword to reach Deidara when he could simple replace his wings with Snakes. I find it pretty hard to believe that Sasuke could regain his ability to fly so easily.

Edit- The people predicting that Deidara will survive are in my opinion raising false hopes. Sasori's foreshadowed Deidara's death in the flashback(it's quite an ironic foreshadowing though since Sasori died first XD ) Deidara is going to die.

Well the fact is we don't know if the previous genjutsu has finished...adding this that he gained back his ability to fly...i just feel like kishi will do the same thing that he did for orochimaru, failed against itachi, angry against itachi, lost to itachi...:D

Don Lazy
July 02, 2007, 12:11 PM
in the next chapter we will see an overpowerd sasuke, he'll say somthing like " deidera you're nothing compered to the uchiah genuis, you re a mere genuis" and then a powerful jutsu. Deidera will die

daniel1983
July 02, 2007, 12:35 PM
Next chapter....... We will finally find out what everyone else is up to. (I can hope can't I?)

boyakist4649
July 02, 2007, 01:38 PM
I actually agree with many of the posters on this forum in that Sasuke will probably be "saved" by someone else. It would be funny as hell if it were Itachi to save him.

Juggernaut
July 02, 2007, 02:39 PM
I think it owuld be freaking awesome if it was Itachi and their relationship took on a whole new level. Like he still loved his brother and cared deeply for him and the whole massacre thing was not what everyone thought. could make and interesting new arc.

lexx
July 02, 2007, 03:43 PM
Assuming that Deidara's attack is microscopic C4 termites that traverse his arm onto Sasuke's leg, I thought of a few possible ways for Sasuke to deal with it:

-Sasuke uses chidori current, blowing up the mines on Deidara's arm before they get to Sasuke)
-Sasuke's body is actually a shadow clone or other type of clone (unlikely)
-Sasuke loses his leg to the mines, then uses that "snake skin shedding" ability Orochimaru's demonstrated, instantly regenerating himself.

One final possibility:
-Sasuke still has Deidara in a genjutsu, and it's the same as Itachi: Deidara's covering himself with Garuda, not Sasuke. I find this one unlikely, since Deidara already claimed he could counter the Sharingan's genjutsu, and it's sort of lame to have him tricked by the same thing 3 times.

My prediction:
-Assuming Deidara does not survive this match, his final move will be a suicide bombing, or atleast an attempt at one.

Panda
July 02, 2007, 04:27 PM
How about... Deidara and Sasuke team up to kill Itachi?
Just kidding but, I think that there is karma from when Deidara was fighting Gaara.

Deidara purposely fought to catch Gaara without killing him.
Sasuke is now doing the same thing perhaps.

jodi
July 02, 2007, 05:44 PM
Prediction:
Deidara will not die, AL will claim for a meeting with everyone.
Sasuke will be injured by Deidara and will survive, but he will have somekind of desease that Deidara did with his hand-bite, that will kill him in few days or hours, then he will have to go look for Tsunade(he will have thoughts of Orochimaru talking about Tsunade of how strong and great doc she is)
While the meeting occurs, Deidara will laugh at Itachi, saying that his brother is going to die and by his hands.
After the meeting there will be Itachi, really close to Deidara and Deidara would be "how da fuck he got here?"
and then it would end with Itachi saying something like "Deidara, its time for you to know true art."
Next chapter: "What does Itachi want with Deidara? what is the true art he said?"

Decorus
July 02, 2007, 07:25 PM
If Itachi saves Sasuke the conversation would follow something like this.

"Your too weak."
"You lack the hate required to defeat me."
"Let me give you more motivation."

Then another Grasping Moon vision of Itachi slaughtering the entire Uchiha clan while Itachi mocks Sasuke for being too weak.

james
July 02, 2007, 11:02 PM
I think Sasuke is going to get nailed at the beginning of next chapter. The internal oro will talk to sasuke and tell him he is too weak but if he lets oro take over they can beat Itachi. Oruske will then proceed to own Dedi.

enlightened monkey
July 02, 2007, 11:13 PM
Well we all know Sasuke's gonna come out with something wildly flashy on paper, unless Kishimoto's mom started yelling at him to look for a woman "instead". So the more likely option is that he does something amazingly cool, obviously he's gonna survive, "it" will be used, and there'll be no mention of Naruto or any development otherwise....which is fine, since it's taking Sasuke WAY longer to defeat an AK member than Naruto did....which is a little odd coming from Kishi. Still, we're going to see a new technique, a new revelation with the sharingan, and of course a little more "coolness" in the Sasuke department that'll carry us through the next chapter.

Or perhaps I'm completely wrong, but I know for a fact at least SOME of what I have here is perfectly and will be perfectly correct.

76trombones
July 02, 2007, 11:42 PM
Assuming that Deidara's attack is microscopic C4 termites that traverse his arm onto Sasuke's leg, I thought of a few possible ways for Sasuke to deal with it:

-Sasuke uses chidori current, blowing up the mines on Deidara's arm before they get to Sasuke)
-Sasuke's body is actually a shadow clone or other type of clone (unlikely)
-Sasuke loses his leg to the mines, then uses that "snake skin shedding" ability Orochimaru's demonstrated, instantly regenerating himself.

One final possibility:
-Sasuke still has Deidara in a genjutsu, and it's the same as Itachi: Deidara's covering himself with Garuda, not Sasuke. I find this one unlikely, since Deidara already claimed he could counter the Sharingan's genjutsu, and it's sort of lame to have him tricked by the same thing 3 times.


Well first off, I didn't see evidence that Deidara grabbing Sasuke meant that the C4 had affected Sasuke already. The C4 erupted from his giant clone, not from Deidara, so I think he has another way of transferring it to Sasuke, which he is about to execute.

As for your four possibilities ... I find all of them unlikely, but I think the fourth one is the most likely possibility. That said, I honestly believe that Sasuke is not going to WIN this fight, per se ... rather he will either lose outright, and live, (thus being captured) or he will run away. Remember that his main target on this mission is Itachi ... and he's already expended considerable energy trying to defeat Deidara ... priorities, priorities.

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QMark
July 03, 2007, 12:30 AM
76trombones, no offense but to say Sasuke living then being captured is outright foolish. Deidara is in this to kill the person who killed Orochimaru. Its not revenge nor is it for Akatsuki's goals. It seems he just wants to prove himself of worth. Though I have to admit its very stupid on Deidara's part. Can't say the AL didn't warn "them" to be careful. The more Sasuke knows about Itachi, the more he knows about Akatsuki and their goals. Which in turn becomes very troublesome for them.

This is of what we all have to keep in mind: Deidara is in this fight to kill. Sasuke is in this fight to extract information. As it was stated before by numerous shinobi, "It's alot harder to capture someone than it is to kill them." Not meaning to sound like a Sasuke fanboy but we do have to look at the facts. Deidara is pulling out all the stops, even forcing Sasuke to go into CS2. But even with that said, it still seems like he's outmatched by a hair.

My prediction: Sasuke isn't in a deadly position at all. It seems too convenient for Deidara to get the upperhand at this point in the fight after Sasuke had been controlling most of the skirmish outcomes. Not to mention for a main character who has been built up since day 1 in the manga to die here instead of an expendable (and I use this term lightly because lets face it, they can very well be killed off at any point) S-Rank criminal ninja. Whether he is hugely popular or not, his character has no more purpose in the continuity of the storyline.

4ghost
July 03, 2007, 07:33 AM
Listen up everyone this is a prediction thread. Try to stay on topic. All other posts will be deleted.

As for predictions.

I think Deidara's true Karura will be to drag Sasuke's body back into the C4 cloud range. Somehow Deiedara will attempt to send Sasuke back while remaining out of reach himself. In order to escape this Sasuke will be forced to use "That Jutsu" to completely wipe out the C4 and possibly engulf Deidara as well. Deidara will encounter his death having witnessed an art that surpasses all he has seen or created to date in Sasuke's new jutsu. Having his end come to such a beautiful art in one fleeting moment Deidara will except his end and defeat.

lexx
July 03, 2007, 12:26 PM
4ghost:

So sasuke will have a nuke to counter Naruto's eh? Hm. Interesting prediction. ...I certainly hope it doesn't come true. The last thing the series needs is more limited-use superweapons.

Black/Light
July 03, 2007, 03:58 PM
I really don't think Sas has enuff chakra to do something as powerful as FRS. I don't see him doing "that" attack. . .

Really, I think Sas will be saved by either Kak/ Nar/ Itachi.

big_p
July 03, 2007, 04:05 PM
Diedara is preparing his attack and about to say "katsu!" when is body starts to get warped into nonexistence/another dimension.

Kakashi sitting on a tree below with MS activated ..."Gotcha bitch."

ChildGamez
July 03, 2007, 06:42 PM
Most likely scenario is Sasuke getting hurt, either by Deidaras C4 (assuming Deidara would then flee alive) or by Deidaras suicide bombing.
Then he will get healed by Sakura who was around and as usual we'll get some comedy-after-fights as that other chick sees them together.

spactaa
July 03, 2007, 08:50 PM
By the way where is that damn snake manda? I think he could come in handy. He could allow sasuke to stay out of reach of C4 and launch some long range attacks. I'm about sure manda will respect sasuke more than he respected oro (well, he didn't) due to his "cursed" nature and his bishonen style.

Littlewig
July 03, 2007, 09:28 PM
By the way where is that damn snake manda? I think he could come in handy. He could allow sasuke to stay out of reach of C4 and launch some long range attacks. I'm about sure manda will respect sasuke more than he respected oro (well, he didn't) due to his "cursed" nature and his bishonen style.

Sasuke already used his Cursed Seal level 2 twice already and sharingan. I'm not sure Sasuke has enough chakra to summon the Snake, even if he is fresh.

Hemostrat
July 03, 2007, 10:16 PM
Manda requires sacrifices whenever he is summoned. Sasuke doesn't even believe in killing people, save for Itachi, let alone sacrificing people for his summons.

jodi
July 03, 2007, 10:24 PM
i dont see Sasuke using "that jutsu"...
Sasuke and Naruto, both have "that jutsu"
both had hand chakra kind as Chidori & Rasengan
now both have that freaken jutsu
obviously they will use against each other or against one person together

Kusachu
July 03, 2007, 10:38 PM
I want Kakashi to show up and save the day using his new jutsu...that would be cool, but I don't think it would happen. That would require too much depth for the story (i.e. exploring the broken relationship between Kakashi and his favorite student--Sasuke-- who took everything he tried to teach him and threw it back in his face by running away). So um...yeah. Whatev.

bighawke5
July 03, 2007, 10:43 PM
By the way where is that damn snake manda? I think he could come in handy. He could allow sasuke to stay out of reach of C4 and launch some long range attacks. I'm about sure manda will respect sasuke more than he respected oro (well, he didn't) due to his "cursed" nature and his bishonen style.

manda dont care bout that...he cares bout his thousand sacrefices and u gotta respect him if u aint orochimaru....those are his conditions...(remember when kabuto tried to make him do stuff during the three way sannin fight cuz oro couldnt do much with his hands? he shut him up!! quick..kabuto regretted even talkin...)

he won't hesitate to kill sasuke if sasuke summons him, dunno if sasuke has earned his respect or if sasuke's power is as strong as prime oro's, but to control him he would need to be as strong as oro powerwise and "evil wise" and have a thousand human sacrefices ready..plus the other thing is the only reason naruto is able to summon gamabunta is due to his big amount of chakra..lol maybe sasuke would have to go cs2 to summon gamabunta 2 lol

no but seriously...Manda is one serious ass dude....he wouldnt let a kid controll him or fight with him..its not him..if oro was next to the kid ok...but even then he still dont listen to oro fully..
but sasuke alone bringin out manda iz wow..no nada... then again u neva know, kishi well make it happen since he has a secret (not so secret anymore) crush on sasuke lol

plus at their age they werent even suppose to be able to summon yet and thats why oro and kabuto were surprised when naruto attempted to do so (during the sannin battle)...cuz kids at their age dont have hokage lv chakra capacity...which is whats needed to summon the most powerful summons
i guess they are all growin together bulding their chakra capacity and all but naruto is ahead there at least in that area lol

next chapter i predict sasuke getting hurt somehow but deidara well die in next chapter or escape in the next
i dont believe anymore in the possibility of someone showin up to help sasuke but its possible...i believe we'll see at least some of the other characters again at least 3 panels lol

shamoo
July 03, 2007, 10:56 PM
the problem that inevitably happens in a manga such as this in which there are many many jutsu, the readers may come up with alternate jutsus or battle techniques that seem better than what kishi has written.

naruto could also have summoned gama whatever toad when battling kakuzu, but he didn't. it does seem odd here that sasuke already summoned one snake but is not summoning anymore or didn't use it to protect from c2. whatever.

the REAL question in this chapter is whether sasuke is actually just manipulating deidara into thinking he is winning, only to use him to find out itachis whereabouts, or if he is simply holding back and now will kill deidara (he's obviously holding back some since he aimed chidori away from the vital points). i suspect in the next chapter kishi will probably show the "conclusion" and make it appear that deidara has won and at the end, give a hint that this is all part of sasuke's plan.

bighawke5
July 03, 2007, 11:55 PM
the problem that inevitably happens in a manga such as this in which there are many many jutsu, the readers may come up with alternate jutsus or battle techniques that seem better than what kishi has written.

naruto could also have summoned gama whatever toad when battling kakuzu, but he didn't. it does seem odd here that sasuke already summoned one snake but is not summoning anymore or didn't use it to protect from c2. whatever.

the REAL question in this chapter is whether sasuke is actually just manipulating deidara into thinking he is winning, only to use him to find out itachis whereabouts, or if he is simply holding back and now will kill deidara (he's obviously holding back some since he aimed chidori away from the vital points). i suspect in the next chapter kishi will probably show the "conclusion" and make it appear that deidara has won and at the end, give a hint that this is all part of sasuke's plan.

if thats the case then sasuke would be as genius as shikamaru and kishi wouldnt do something like that even for sasuke cuz thatz shika's thing...thats where shika shines cuz he thinks at least 10 steps ahead of his opponents in battle and that would look like somethin shika would do...at least in the grand scheme of it all where he's toyin wit the enemy...makin him think he has him and in the end it was all part of shika's plan and shikamaru wins..lol

to me sasuke really is going at it with his all and the fact that he used cs2 twice (despite knowing the drawbacks and its downsides) says something...the only time to me that he might have done wat ur thinking he will do.. is when he used the genjutsu effectively to make deidara think he got him and he showed him an image of himself getting ripped into pieces like if the C4 had gotten him... but it was genjutsu..and afterward deidara used that eye of his and is on his guard now..well at least untill he somehow blows himself in his own explosions lol

dont get me wrong sasuke is smart but the way u think he might be manipulating deidara is kinda off when u think that deidara has got something to counter sharingan's genjutsu (not on MS lv though)

i think the real question in this chapter is will deidara die or escape? when u think bout it u see that god like sasuke aint exactly ownin deidara like fans wanted...and deidara well is holdin his own although they both runnin out of chakra and deidara has used his last trump card...it's still not over yet and that smoke (C4 smoke) is still under that bird IMO...and i think thats the next move for the deidara holdin sasuke's leg...he's probably trying to pull sasuke into it..thats what i think so far..dunno how sasuke well get out of this but then again he's sasuke and not suppose to die now sooooo...u get the pic lol and wit kishi's divine intervention u can be certain he wont die but i can guarantee u that he'll get hurt somehow...i just hav that feelin..lol

3shinkyo3
July 04, 2007, 05:08 AM
Listen up everyone this is a prediction thread. Try to stay on topic. All other posts will be deleted.

As for predictions.

I think Deidara's true Karura will be to drag Sasuke's body back into the C4 cloud range. Somehow Deiedara will attempt to send Sasuke back while remaining out of reach himself. In order to escape this Sasuke will be forced to use "That Jutsu" to completely wipe out the C4 and possibly engulf Deidara as well. Deidara will encounter his death having witnessed an art that surpasses all he has seen or created to date in Sasuke's new jutsu. Having his end come to such a beautiful art in one fleeting moment Deidara will except his end and defeat.

This to me seems to be the most likely and kishi style end for deidara. I hope this is how the fight ends it would be great to see 'that jutsu'.

Littlewig
July 04, 2007, 11:56 AM
if thats the case then sasuke would be as genius as shikamaru and kishi wouldnt do something like that even for sasuke cuz thatz shika's thing...thats where shika shines cuz he thinks at least 10 steps ahead of his opponents in battle and that would look like somethin shika would do...at least in the grand scheme of it all where he's toyin wit the enemy...makin him think he has him and in the end it was all part of shika's plan and shikamaru wins..lol


I've been watching/reading the early parts of the anime/manga when they first talk about the Sharingan, and they stated that the Sharingan gives not only the ability to see and analyze every type of justu, but the sharingan also gives the user the ability to know the strategy of the opponent.

Where as Shikimaru needed to stop and think and determine the enemies strategy and which strategy would work best, the sharingan gives this ability automatically and instantaneously. We saw a glimps of this when Sasuke throw his sword aside and used it as a jumping point.

This is why I find it hard to believe that Sasuke didn't predict Deidara using a clone technique as one of the possible options in the fight. I doubt Chunin level ninjas forget about bunshins as being a possibility in a fight, so Sasuke probably din't leave any open spots. He has to have some sort of counter.

this thread is for predictions, not discussion of techniques or the events of the last chapter unless it is relevent to a prediction

jaylegend03
July 04, 2007, 02:04 PM
Something doesnt add up, "Sharingan Counter Eye", what are the odds that Itachi trained Deidara how to counter the sharingan? I doubt it so how would he have learned, other then Sasuke and Kakashi the only other sharingan user is who Itachi mentioned as the other MS user. That missing peice is the ONLY way I see Diedara having a sharingan user to spar enough with develop such a counter. Unless he just developed it to see through genjutsu in which case means that any Sharingan level only genjutsu would still get him, which would clash with the whole point of him saying it was a counter to sharingan genjutsu. So how did he learn it

PredatorNar
July 04, 2007, 02:37 PM
Something doesnt add up, "Sharingan Counter Eye", what are the odds that Itachi trained Deidara how to counter the sharingan? I doubt it so how would he have learned, other then Sasuke and Kakashi the only other sharingan user is who Itachi mentioned as the other MS user. That missing peice is the ONLY way I see Diedara having a sharingan user to spar enough with develop such a counter. Unless he just developed it to see through genjutsu in which case means that any Sharingan level only genjutsu would still get him, which would clash with the whole point of him saying it was a counter to sharingan genjutsu. So how did he learn it

It would probably mean he had to train with a Sharingan user and since I doubt Itachi would train him, that only means Tobi...errr...nvm. Just disregard any theory that might arise from this statement :P

sahugani
July 04, 2007, 02:49 PM
I'll remind you again that this is a predictions thread. the current discussion of Deidara's eye is not on topic in this thread. Unless you guys either get back on topic or find a way to apply theories about the eye to predictions (and keep it that way), I'll start deleting posts. You may consider taking this current discussion into a toshokan topic

76trombones
July 06, 2007, 11:46 AM
The one thing that confuses me the most about this fight is that the intention of this journey, from the beginning, was to kill ITACHI, never to fight Deidara. I wonder why, when Sasuke saw that this wasn't going to be easy, that he decided to invest all of his energy into defeating defeating Deidara, when he still has to think about a fight with Itachi on his hands. That said, where the hell are his other 3 cronies? They could have turned the tide of the battle in seconds.

I think that Sasuke's ultimate folly here is that, while he may manage to defeat Deidara (and I doubt he will kill him), he will be completely unable to touch Itachi, due to his fatigue and lack of chakra. Not to mention his complete inferiority of sharingan.

That said, it may not even be necessary. I have a feeling that either Naruto's team or one of Sasuke's will meet Itachi instead of Sasuke, and they will fail to defeat him. Thus, this entire trip will be wasted, but Sasuke will be the ultimate loser, even if he can defeat Deidara.

The other possibility is that Itachi will be killed by someone other than Sasuke ... leaving Sasuke without a purpose. What would that do for his character development? He's always said he's an avenger. What's an avenger without a target? Very interesting, and I wouldn't put it past Kishi to do something like that.


I'll remind you again that this is a predictions thread. the current discussion of Deidara's eye is not on topic in this thread. Unless you guys either get back on topic or find a way to apply theories about the eye to predictions (and keep it that way), I'll start deleting posts. You may consider taking this current discussion into a toshokan topic

That's really not necessary, in my opinion. Even if they aren't making literal "predictions," they are making statements that are very much likely to pertain to the next chapter. Be careful that, while moderating the boards, you don't become a sentry, or a bored cop, looking for trouble, but rather fixing it where you happen to find it.

kheldorin
July 06, 2007, 11:54 AM
The one thing that confuses me the most about this fight is that the intention of this journey, from the beginning, was to kill ITACHI, never to fight Deidara. I wonder why, when Sasuke saw that this wasn't going to be easy, that he decided to invest all of his energy into defeating defeating Deidara, when he still has to think about a fight with Itachi on his hands. That said, where the hell are his other 3 cronies? They could have turned the tide of the battle in seconds.



It's hard to kill Itachi when you don't even know where he is. After he get the information from, Tobi or Deidara, he'll just rest a while. There isn't a time limit to killing Itachi.

76trombones
July 06, 2007, 01:27 PM
It's hard to kill Itachi when you don't even know where he is. After he get the information from, Tobi or Deidara, he'll just rest a while. There isn't a time limit to killing Itachi.

While true, I was under the impression that this mission wasn't supposed to be "find out where Itachi is" it was more like "Kill Itachi." I'm also not entirely sure why Deidara would either know or care where Itachi is, and whether Deidara would care whether Itachi was killed. After all, each Akatsuki unit looks after number 1 and number 1 only. If you remember, Deidara wanted to take on Naruto in the rescue Gaara arc against the wishes of Sasori, so he doesn't really care.

While Sasuke may not know this ... I still think it was unwise of him to risk life and limb when he had greater motives on the line. Why would he work so hard to get information from Deidara when all he has is the suspicion that Deidara MIGHT know where his true target is, and he never knows when he may have to fight Itachi.

Also ... there is no time limit to killing Itachi, this is true. But I think it was made pretty clear that Sasuke wanted to do it, and he wanted to do it NOW. I don't think he's really up for the whole "rest till we can find him" thing. After all, if Deidara reveals the information about Itachi's whereabouts, who's to say Itachi will stay there. Once you know where someone is, you would waste no time trying to get there.

The Boff
July 06, 2007, 02:08 PM
well i'll be damned... Sasuke CAN actually look cool, thats a first :smile-big

it was only one frame though but still something

Navid.
July 06, 2007, 02:54 PM
Wow, looks like Sasuke actually hit himself with a chidori attack to stop Deidara's C4 bombs from exploding within his body...

This was a great chapter and a nice way to start finnishing off this fight, we not only got to see all of Deidara's jutsus and skills, but also saw how Sasuke still shows his ability to analyse and create effective plans to work against his opponents while in the middle of a fight...

Overall I have to say this has been one of the better fights during the whole manga, it has had everything from basic use of shurikens and bunshin, high level jutsu in the form of C4 Form manipulation and genjutsu, and all while both opponents have been analysing and creating in depth strategies on the go.

But having seen the look on Sasuke's face (Reminded me of him back during the chunnin exam, and Killua from Hunter x Hunter), I'm pretty sure this is the end of the road for Deidara.

zelllogan
July 06, 2007, 02:59 PM
Someone can explain me why sasuke can see through his own body like that ? He saw his inside chakra flow without problems. Since when sasuke have a byakugan ? :)

Juggernaut
July 06, 2007, 03:13 PM
Yeah I thought the Byakugan was the one that saw chakra as color and sharingan just copied moves and predicted things as they happened???? Now it seems like sharingan does everything from copying moves, seeing chakra, genjutsu, teleporting things, predicting moves, baking cookies, solving sodku's and whatever else comes next.

Still im SOOOO glad there wasnt a double genjutsu crap the spoiler kept saying...

Merovingian
July 06, 2007, 03:20 PM
I'm really sad... Naruto manga is completely lost.

There are almost 12 ninjas surrounding the area on where Sasuke and Deidara are fighting. Even though, even after having a building sized dragon exploding half of a entire forest none of them could have sensed to come on where they are?? None of the ninja dogs felt them?? Hinata haven't seen a monstrous chackra cloud (Deidara's C4)?? Kakashi, Yamato and Karin couldn't felt all chackra released on the fight between these two titans??

I believe that when fight is over, we'll see almost all of them (team Hebi and Konoha 8 platoon) "noticing" the fight and arriving too late, Hebi first and then Konoha Team, obviously after Hebi leaving place. How predictable!! What's wrong with that? Dear god!! Konoha spread out under Kakashi's statement that there would be no problem to spread out once they could be gathered really fast, even before having a fight started...

Furthermore, we are no longer reading and seeing a fight between ninjas... Flying with a wing made of snakes?? It's most likely some super saiyajin's magicians fight... At least for me, Naruto has lost its charm.

Ps.: Do I have to mention that Sasuke's sharingan is even stronger than Itachi's once it's also a Byakugan??

broli
July 06, 2007, 03:25 PM
I'm really sad... Naruto manga is completely lost.

There are almost 12 ninjas surrounding the area on where Sasuke and Deidara are fighting even though, even after a building sized dragon exploding half of a entire forest and any of them could have sensed and came on where they are?? None of the ninja dogs felt them?? Hinata haven't seen a monstrous chackra cloud (Deidara's C4)?? Kakashi, Yamato and Karin couldn't felt all chackra released on the fight between these two titans??

I believe that when fight is over, we'll see almost all of them (team Hebi and Konoha 8 platoon) "noticing" the fight and arriving too late, Hebi first and then Konoha Team, obviously after Hebi leaving place. How predictable!! What's wrong with that? Dear god!! Konoha spread out under Kakashi's statement that there would be no problem to spread out once they could be gathered really fast, even before having a fight started...

Furthermore, we are no longer reading and seeing a fight between ninjas... Flying with a wing made of snakes?? It's most likely some super saiyajin's magicians fight... At least for me, Naruto has lost its charm.

Ps.: Do I have to mention that Sasuke's sharingan is even stronger the Itachi's once it's also a Byakugan??

Haha you see so many true things. The dogs should have picked up the fight a week before it started :p. It's the same situation where that dog "missed" karrin. FFS they're trained ninja gods how the hell could you lose a smell so close to you.

bennibb
July 06, 2007, 03:30 PM
Wel... This battel confirm that Sasuke is on his way to become as smart as Kakashi. And that hes just as good as Shikamaru to come up with strategi. I was against the ide of Sasuke go all out on a Akatsuki, but this was kinda cool. Few can say Shika or Kakashi could have outsmarted Deidara like this.
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Ps.: Do I have to mention that Sasuke's sharingan is even stronger than Itachi's once it's also a Byakugan??

Wel... What makes you say that? In the Kakashi gaiden you see Obito look at Rin the same way Sasuke looked at his hand now. So that was nothing out of the blue with that one. Kakashi and Itachi can most likely see the same way.

kit99bar
July 06, 2007, 03:30 PM
This chapter was decent. A lot of explaination of what Sasuke did. Is the fight truely over now? Sasuke has no chakra left. He couldn't do another chidori to stop more C4.

I am saddened that the spoiler with Tobi recognizing the bunshin was fake though.

AxelCross
July 06, 2007, 03:32 PM
Wow! Apologies to Kishimoto for me cursing the heck out of him for having such a crappy "twist", this one is great. Sasuke having to shock himself with Chidori? I never would have guessed that. I thought that it was either another genjutsu, or even something as simple as a bunshin, thank God. I loved this chapter, it wasn't as action oriented (that double layout punch was great, however), but it was interesting and set up for this battle to finally conclude.

I can't wait for next weeks, I'm actually slightly hyped up for it, which I haven't been for a long time. I also can't wait to see JapFlap's scantalation of this, there are some details you can tell are there but can't see quite as clear. Woohoo! Sasuke actually impressed me! He's not just brute strength any longer in this fight.

EDIT: I don't know why people are sore over Sasuke being able to "fly" with the extra balance of the snakes. It's not that hard to understand, and yet people are calling it a crock. Let's get one thing straight, he's not "flying" with the snakes, he's using them for two things and two things only:

1. Balance, this is the main reason he couldn't fly. There are plenty of birds able to fly again with one wing, after being recuperated by veterinarians, adding on something to where the other wing was damaged and had to be amputated. Adding on something that is similar to the structure and shape of a wing work perfectly fine to balance out the body distribution. While snakes themselves won't work, using a multitude of them together, packed in closely would seem (outrageous in the real world) feasible in the Naruto universe.

2. The other main reason is because of aerodynamics, the wind won't flow well over Sasuke's body if there isn't another "wing like" appendage, it doesn't have to be exactly a wing. The snakes, while slightly separated, are close enough and pact in enough so that the wind can flow easily over the appendage. It's perfectly feasible, of course not in the real world, but since one can make snakes come out of one's body in the Naruto universe, it's fine. So, at most, one could call it "soaring". Sasuke uses his one working wing to propel him, then the other wing of snakes to balance it out and soar the rest of the way. It's not a big deal. Get. Educated. = )

zelllogan
July 06, 2007, 03:41 PM
I'm really sad... Naruto manga is completely lost.

There are almost 12 ninjas surrounding the area on where Sasuke and Deidara are fighting. Even though, even after having a building sized dragon exploding half of a entire forest none of them could have sensed to come on where they are?? None of the ninja dogs felt them?? Hinata haven't seen a monstrous chackra cloud (Deidara's C4)?? Kakashi, Yamato and Karin couldn't felt all chackra released on the fight between these two titans??

I believe that when fight is over, we'll see almost all of them (team Hebi and Konoha 8 platoon) "noticing" the fight and arriving too late, Hebi first and then Konoha Team, obviously after Hebi leaving place. How predictable!! What's wrong with that? Dear god!! Konoha spread out under Kakashi's statement that there would be no problem to spread out once they could be gathered really fast, even before having a fight started...

Furthermore, we are no longer reading and seeing a fight between ninjas... Flying with a wing made of snakes?? It's most likely some super saiyajin's magicians fight... At least for me, Naruto has lost its charm.

Ps.: Do I have to mention that Sasuke's sharingan is even stronger than Itachi's once it's also a Byakugan??
You're not the only one to think that. Since the hidan/shikamaru fight, there was nothing good in the manga. kakuzu was completely passive, oro beaten, sasuke and his team (nothing to care about suigetsu, juugo or karin, there are enough characters without them), kabutoro (nothing original here), deidara who lost his cool, ...

Sentou Ryoku
July 06, 2007, 03:43 PM
Both Sasuke and Deidara are almost out or already out of chakra. Meaning, taijutsu's the only way now to resolve the fight...an edge goes to Sasuke again. *groan* I guess this is Tobi's cue to do something cool like rescue his sempai or just run.

Moogle Mango
July 06, 2007, 03:43 PM
So snake wings can fly....

spactaa
July 06, 2007, 03:46 PM
I don't give a damn about the snake wings, I liked this chapter. Though as said the whole thing staying unoticed is absurd. I'm glad it was'nt a lame double genjutsu trap or whatever. Deidera is still cool by the way, he is just against the wrong ennemy, sasuke would water based, he was dead Xp.

Alterno
July 06, 2007, 03:46 PM
Woohoo! Sasuke actually impressed me! He's not just brute strength any longer in this fight.



Well that's why this anime/manga is named naruto and not dragon ball :D.

Well looks like that kishimoto is exploiting deidara's fame in the manga community. I'm really impressed to see how many didn't want deidara to die or to lose against sasuke. Anyway Deidara's fan the next chapter is the end for the artist... FINALLY. BUHAHAHAHAHA:D

AxelCross
July 06, 2007, 03:49 PM
Well that's why this anime/manga is named naruto and not dragon ball :D.

Well looks like that kishimoto is exploiting deidara's fame in the manga community. I'm really impressed to see how many didn't want deidara to die or to lose against sasuke. Anyway Deidara's fan the next chapter is the end for the artist... FINALLY. BUHAHAHAHAHA:D

Well, it was definitely beginning to look like that. Sasuke seemed to be throwing out genjutsu after genjutsu, along with a Chidori here and there, not to mention running around, avoiding bombs and hiding in the distance while Deidara is caught in the genjutsu, it was definitely beginning to look like Sasuke had limitless chakra and boundless strength. But now that the real Sasuke is finally here and we know it's him, we see he's actually quite tired and is basically at the end of the rope, one last big attack and he'll be fatigued. A more human side, if you will.

hitokugutsu
July 06, 2007, 03:49 PM
I'm really sad... Naruto manga is completely lost.

There are almost 12 ninjas surrounding the area on where Sasuke and Deidara are fighting. Even though, even after having a building sized dragon exploding half of a entire forest none of them could have sensed to come on where they are?? None of the ninja dogs felt them?? Hinata haven't seen a monstrous chackra cloud (Deidara's C4)?? Kakashi, Yamato and Karin couldn't felt all chackra released on the fight between these two titans??

I believe that when fight is over, we'll see almost all of them (team Hebi and Konoha 8 platoon) "noticing" the fight and arriving too late, Hebi first and then Konoha Team, obviously after Hebi leaving place. How predictable!! What's wrong with that? Dear god!! Konoha spread out under Kakashi's statement that there would be no problem to spread out once they could be gathered really fast, even before having a fight started...

Furthermore, we are no longer reading and seeing a fight between ninjas... Flying with a wing made of snakes?? It's most likely some super saiyajin's magicians fight... At least for me, Naruto has lost its charm.

Ps.: Do I have to mention that Sasuke's sharingan is even stronger than Itachi's once it's also a Byakugan??


First of all Kakashi said they are searching within a 5 km radius of the rooftop (the one with the statue wich looks like the Four-tails), and you dont know if Sasuke and Deidara are even within that 5 km radius in wich the teams are searching. Its true that Sakura encountered Karin but Karin is seen in a city wich could be miles away from Sasuke.
Second, Sasuke sharingan is no Byakugan -_-. The sharingan could always see the chakra flowing trough somebody (only not as detailed as the byakugan) It has been shown before during the Chunin exam when Sasuke sees Naruto trough his Sharingan an Obito also displays it.

Littlewig
July 06, 2007, 03:54 PM
I'm really disappointed in Sasuke, even knowing all of Deidara's weaknesses from the very beginning he still falls for a bunshin and needed to nearly kill himself to get free. Sasuke got careless.

Also, how many times has Sasuke used Chidori in this fight? Has he surpassed Kakashi's limit of 4 a day? What exactly does Deidara mean by Raikiri, what is the different between it and Chidori?

zelllogan
July 06, 2007, 03:59 PM
Second, Sasuke sharingan is no Byakugan -_-. The sharingan could always see the chakra flowing trough somebody (only not as detailed as the byakugan) It has been shown before during the Chunin exam when Sasuke sees Naruto trough his Sharingan an Obito also displays it.
don't remember that at all ... don't believe you either

Sentou Ryoku
July 06, 2007, 04:02 PM
Sasuke admitting that he messed himself up by running chidori into his body means we're in for a 'Sasuke and team run off to recover' plot device in the manga. Oh well, at least Itachi's safe again =) And Team 8's really looking like they were just brought out as...decorations during all this.

MiniST
July 06, 2007, 04:04 PM
Sasuke is gonna have a heart attack when all those clay particles in his body stick to the walls of his blood vessels. And where the hell did tobi go...

LotusBlade
July 06, 2007, 04:09 PM
Sasuke admitting that he messed himself up by running chidori into his body means we're in for a 'Sasuke and team run off to recover' plot device in the manga. Oh well, at least Itachi's safe again =) And Team 8's really looking like they were just brought out as...decorations during all this.

I have to agree with what you said, Team 8 along with the others really we're pointless when they were introduced a couple of chapters ago. Other than providing an excellent coloring panel for manga artists, it seems as though they do not want that plot to progress just yet.

Overall this manga chapter I would give it:

Cliffhangers: 9/10
Plot: 7/10
Filler: 7/10

Cheers,

-AF.3

dasher232
July 06, 2007, 04:10 PM
I don't get how sasuke can send a surge of electricity into his body (and expose it to his cells) to prevent the clays from going off yet not cause an immense amount of nerve/cell damage.

AxelCross
July 06, 2007, 04:11 PM
Sasuke admitting that he messed himself up by running chidori into his body means we're in for a 'Sasuke and team run off to recover' plot device in the manga. Oh well, at least Itachi's safe again =) And Team 8's really looking like they were just brought out as...decorations during all this.

Indeed, I'm extremely agitated over the fact that Kishimoto brought Team 8 out just to say to the fans: "Here they are, HAPPY!?". Unless something happens to bring them in for a fight in the next chapter, maybe the next two chapters at most, then I don't see how they'll be fighting or doing anything else other than "WHERE ARE THEY!?". We'll see, but good Lord, it seems Team 8 and Team Gai are really out of the picture. Team Gai got a little action, but we didn't see them in much action at all, not enough to call a real fight, at least not an interesting one, seemed like another "throw me a bone" deal.

I love Team 7 and co., but some of my favorite characters are in other teams, and while Team 10 got some great action, the other teams seem to be left out, I don't like it at all.

Merovingian
July 06, 2007, 04:12 PM
First of all Kakashi said they are searching within a 5 km radius of the rooftop (the one with the statue wich looks like the Four-tails), and you dont know if Sasuke and Deidara are even within that 5 km radius in wich the teams are searching. Its true that Sakura encountered Karin but Karin is seen in a city wich could be miles away from Sasuke.
Second, Sasuke sharingan is no Byakugan -_-. The sharingan could always see the chakra flowing trough somebody (only not as detailed as the byakugan) It has been shown before during the Chunin exam when Sasuke sees Naruto trough his Sharingan an Obito also displays it.

First, both Teams are surrounding the same area, that's what have been said on the Manga. Jyuugo, Suigetsu and Karin are close to Konoha Team, why Sasuke and Deidara wouldn't be? Try to remember, It's been very clear that Deidara found out Sasuke only a few moments after Sasuke ordering Karin to leave as well as the others. Did she learn how to use Yondaime Flying Thunder God Technique and teleported herself far far far enough from him to not even notice his god-like fight :amuse ??? They are close and I believe most of us are aware of it. The end of this fight will prove that I'm right.

Second, where have I said Sharingan couldn't see Chackra flow? I have never mentioned that. Please, take another look at chapter 361... You'll see that what is seen by Sasuke is not his chackra flow but his own body inside. He sees his own cells and his blood vascular system. It's x-ray, a Byakugan ability.

Last chapter, 360, Deidara explained that C4 enters on enemy's bloody vessels and body cells (not chackra flow system) and explode/disintegrate him from inside.... So, what Sasuke had to see to destroy the little bombs was the inside of his body. Again... Byakugan... not Sharingan.

Next chapter we'll see Sasuke firing Cyclops's laser eyes-beam!! ^.^y

Kishimoto has messed all up.

Gio
July 06, 2007, 04:22 PM
Also, how many times has Sasuke used Chidori in this fight? Has he surpassed Kakashi's limit of 4 a day? What exactly does Deidara mean by Raikiri, what is the different between it and Chidori?

Raikiri = S Rank Jutsu
Chidori = A Rank Jutsu

Raikiri > Chidori

Kakashi can now do more than 4 Raikiri in a day, he did 6 in the Immortals Arc plus he stated to Naruto that he could still perform an MS at that point o_o.

Decorus
July 06, 2007, 04:25 PM
You guys need to reread the manga's translation. Do you see any point where he goes I looked through my body and destroyed the nanobombs? Sasuke's sharingan don't have X-ray vision chakra sight. Sasuke being a reckless idiot who has absolutely no common sense just sent a wave of electricity into his own body to disable the nanobombs. I will praise him for figuring out that all of Deidara attacks are earth based, but he gets a failing grade for his Idiot plan of testing his theory by stabbing a landmine with his sword.

If he had half the brains of Shikamaru he would have used his chidori needles and a rock to test to see if he could disable the land mines rather then risking his life and limbs testing a theory he wasn't even sure if it was correct. So the drugs he has been taking reduced his intelligence to below Chouji levels.

AxelCross
July 06, 2007, 04:29 PM
Raikiri = S Rank Jutsu
Chidori = A Rank Jutsu

Raikiri > Chidori

Kakashi can now do more than 4 Raikiri in a day, he did 6 in the Immortals Arc plus he stated to Naruto that he could still perform an MS at that point o_o.

I was under the impression that they were the same technique, different names. Gai explains something like this in the Chunin exams, when Sasuke uses Chidori, Gai and Kakashi keep calling it Raikiri, and then Gai says that the technique itself is called Chidori, but it's called Raikiri due to it's ability to cut lightning in half, like Kakashi did. I could be wrong, but I've never heard Raikiri being a different technique.

Merovingian
July 06, 2007, 04:30 PM
You guys need to reread the manga's translation. Do you see any point where he goes I looked through my body and destroyed the nanobombs? Sasuke's sharingan don't have X-ray vision chakra sight.

Take a look at page 5 and tell us what the drawings shows you?

I see Sasuke shocked after seeing the nanobombs into his bloody vessels??

What do you see? Share it with us =]


:)

hitokugutsu
July 06, 2007, 04:32 PM
@Meroviangian

For story purposes its logic that both teams are in the same area, but I dont remember it being stated in the manga. Some member of Hebi could be in the search radius of team Konoha but Sasuke perhaps not since Juugo, Suigetsu and Karin are doing the searching wich could mean they are miles from Sasuke.
As for Deidara finding Sasuke directly after Karin left thats a matter for interpretation. In mangaworld the time that passes by between a panel can be seconds but also hours.

Even if a nin dog smelled Sasuke they still have to reach Sasuke. Even though the fight has been going on for quite some chapters, in "real-time" not much time has passed

As for the Sharingan and Byagukan thing --> I misinterpreted your post. My bad :p

dasher232
July 06, 2007, 04:33 PM
You guys need to reread the manga's translation. Do you see any point where he goes I looked through my body and destroyed the nanobombs? Sasuke's sharingan don't have X-ray vision chakra sight. Sasuke being a reckless idiot who has absolutely no common sense just sent a wave of electricity into his own body to disable the nanobombs. I will praise him for figuring out that all of Deidara attacks are earth based, but he gets a failing grade for his Idiot plan of testing his theory by stabbing a landmine with his sword.

If he had half the brains of Shikamaru he would have used his chidori needles and a rock to test to see if he could disable the land mines rather then risking his life and limbs testing a theory he wasn't even sure if it was correct. So the drugs he has been taking reduced his intelligence to below Chouji levels.

Decous I respect a lot of what you say at times. However please re-read it.

hitokugutsu
July 06, 2007, 04:34 PM
Also does anybody know exactly why Sasuke stopped flying and fell down?? What did Deidara do?

Littlewig
July 06, 2007, 04:44 PM
Take a look at page 5 and tell us what the drawings shows you?

I see Sasuke shocked after seeing the nanobombs into his bloody vessels??

What do you see? Share it with us =]


:)

Well, what we see doesn't neccesarily mean Sasuke's see it. For all we know Sasuke only sees the chakra of the C4 nanobombs inside his body, and the rest of the detail like the veins and cells is just to show the readers they are inside Sasuke's body, and not on his body.

Sure, they probably could have shown us a darken arm with small chakra flows, but that wouldn't give the readers the detail that they are actually inside his blood.

Toad Sage
July 06, 2007, 04:45 PM
I gotta agree with Merovingian. I wrote a negative post a few hours ago after reading the translation and decided to erase it until I read a scanlation. Unfortunately, my opinion hasn't changed much. Consistently revealing new layers of the sharingan just seems like lazy writing on Kishimoto's part. I too objected to the fact that now it has byakugan like abilities, re: seeing colored chakara and being able to see within one's own body. Everytime he puts Sasuke in a jam, he's not even bothering to creativitely use the myriad of functions the sharingan already has, but instead just cooks up some brand new ability. Imagine if Naruto progressed like that!

I never thought I would say I missed the Hidan/Kakuzu never ending Shikamaru arc, but at least in that arc the resourcefulness of Shikamaru was the pivot of the action. Sasuke just "leveling up" every time he swings a sword is getting a bit old. Starting with his battle against Orochimaru up until now, I seriously think he's demonstrated over ten new significant abilities. I feel this observation is germane to the present chapter inasmuch as it explains my malcontent therewith, since this was yet another "level up" chapter for Sasuke.

I sincerely tried to think of something else to talk about in it, but nothing else happened! I'm at a total loss as how to predict the chapter, since there really wasn't enough going on in this one to base an intelligent prediction. We simply learnt that Sasuke has more powers and understands everything that happens in a battle before it even occurs. At this point, all I can to say is that if this god-mode character can't defeat Itachi, then Itachi must be a real life ninja who's going to assassinate Kishimoto. Destroying the real life creator of Naruto is the only way I can see Sasuke ever losing. Unless of course we learn that the sharingan has a ressurect cartoonist ability as well...

Over all, boring, repetitive chapter imo.

PS: At what point did Sasuke even glimpse Deidara's eye? In the scene where they are falling into the trees, we see Deidara's left eye opened, but his left eye is trained against the sharingan. Moreover, he was damaged from a wound he inflicted upon himself, and his rate of decent at that distance would have made it practically impossible to lock his gaze.

Littlewig
July 06, 2007, 04:49 PM
You guys need to reread the manga's translation. Do you see any point where he goes I looked through my body and destroyed the nanobombs? Sasuke's sharingan don't have X-ray vision chakra sight. Sasuke being a reckless idiot who has absolutely no common sense just sent a wave of electricity into his own body to disable the nanobombs. I will praise him for figuring out that all of Deidara attacks are earth based, but he gets a failing grade for his Idiot plan of testing his theory by stabbing a landmine with his sword.

If he had half the brains of Shikamaru he would have used his chidori needles and a rock to test to see if he could disable the land mines rather then risking his life and limbs testing a theory he wasn't even sure if it was correct. So the drugs he has been taking reduced his intelligence to below Chouji levels.


And how exactly would Sasuke hide the fact that he knows Deidara's weakness if he used your brilliant method?

Deidara had no clue Sasuke figured out his weakness with the sword method, any other way would have tipped off Deidara.


Also, I'm alittle dissapointed that Sasuke didn't kill Deidara instead of just punching him. Maybe Sasuke is really out of Chakra to use Chidori. Anyway, it seemed like he spared him so he could reveal how he figured out Deidara's weakness from the beginning, but yet he put it to no real use but to save his own life when he fell for a lame trap.

dasher232
July 06, 2007, 04:50 PM
I gotta agree with Merovingian. I wrote a negative post a few hours ago after reading the translation and decided to erase it until I read a scanlation. Unfortunately, my opinion hasn't changed much. Consistently revealing new layers of the sharingan just seems like lazy writing on Kishimoto's part. I too objected to the fact that now it has byakugan like abilities, re: seeing colored chakara and being able to see within one's own body. Everytime he puts Sasuke in a jam, he's not even bothering to creativitely use the myriad of functions the sharingan already has, but instead just cooks up some brand new ability. Imagine if Naruto progressed like that!

I never thought I would say I missed the Hidan/Kakuzu never ending Shikamaru arc, but at least in that arc the resourcefulness of Shikamaru was the pivot of the action. Sasuke just "leveling up" every time he swings a sword is getting a bit old. Starting with his battle against Orochimaru up until now, I seriously think he's demonstrated over ten new significant abilities. I feel this observation is germane to the present chapter inasmuch as it explains my malcontent therewith, since this was yet another "level up" chapter for Sasuke.

I sincerely tried to think of something else to talk about in it, but nothing else happened! I'm at a total loss as how to predict the chapter, since there really wasn't enough going on in this one to base an intelligent prediction. We simply learnt that Sasuke has more powers and understands everything that happens in a battle before it even occurs. At this point, all I can to say is that if this god-mode character can't defeat Itachi, then Itachi must be a real life ninja who's going to assassinate Kishimoto. Destroying the real life creator of Naruto is the only way I can see Sasuke ever losing. Unless of course we learn that the sharingan has a ressurect cartoonist ability as well...

Over all, boring, repetitive chapter imo.

PS: At what point did Sasuke even glimpse Deidara's eye? In the scene where they are falling into the trees, we see Deidara's left eye opened, but his left eye is trained against the sharingan. Moreover, he was damaged from a wound he inflicted upon himself, and his rate of decent at that distance would have made it practically impossible to lock his gaze.

Couldn't agree more. Not just that but they are distance apart, but since the beggining of the fight aparently Sasuke's known Deidara's weakness never mind having to figure what kind of affinity the person's using. Or the other complications. Though to me finding someting like that out so soon is a bit of a russian roulettle.

Decorus
July 06, 2007, 04:52 PM
I have while it gives a view of his internal blood vessels I doubt its Sasuke actually looking at them. Its more likely a visual reference for the readers to inform us that Sasuke was infected with the C-4 nanobombs. Of course having Sasuke looking at his hand just makes it look all the cooler as he realizes he just got infected and will be dying shortly.

Now as for what I'm saying about the land mines notice how close Sasuke is to where his sword landed? He would have been caught in the explosion + shrapnel if his sword had detonated the mines. Furthermore if he was really unlucky and they required a set amount of weight + pressure to detonate then when he put his entire CS2 bodies weight on the sword it very well could have gone off killing him. Then there was also the chance that hitting the landmine with his sword could have destroyed the sword if it exploded. Lets also not forget the possibility the sword might not have penetrated the ground enough to actually hit the mine.

Someone with Shikamaru level intelligence would not have risked his sword, or his life testing a theory.

Littlewig
July 06, 2007, 04:56 PM
I gotta agree with Merovingian. I wrote a negative post a few hours ago after reading the translation and decided to erase it until I read a scanlation. Unfortunately, my opinion hasn't changed much. Consistently revealing new layers of the sharingan just seems like lazy writing on Kishimoto's part. I too objected to the fact that now it has byakugan like abilities, re: seeing colored chakara and being able to see within one's own body. Everytime he puts Sasuke in a jam, he's not even bothering to creativitely use the myriad of functions the sharingan already has, but instead just cooks up some brand new ability. Imagine if Naruto progressed like that!

I never thought I would say I missed the Hidan/Kakuzu never ending Shikamaru arc, but at least in that arc the resourcefulness of Shikamaru was the pivot of the action. Sasuke just "leveling up" every time he swings a sword is getting a bit old. Starting with his battle against Orochimaru up until now, I seriously think he's demonstrated over ten new significant abilities. I feel this observation is germane to the present chapter inasmuch as it explains my malcontent therewith, since this was yet another "level up" chapter for Sasuke.

I sincerely tried to think of something else to talk about in it, but nothing else happened! I'm at a total loss as how to predict the chapter, since there really wasn't enough going on in this one to base an intelligent prediction. We simply learnt that Sasuke has more powers and understands everything that happens in a battle before it even occurs. At this point, all I can to say is that if this god-mode character can't defeat Itachi, then Itachi must be a real life ninja who's going to assassinate Kishimoto. Destroying the real life creator of Naruto is the only way I can see Sasuke ever losing. Unless of course we learn that the sharingan has a ressurect cartoonist ability as well...

Over all, boring, repetitive chapter imo.

PS: At what point did Sasuke even glimpse Deidara's eye? In the scene where they are falling into the trees, we see Deidara's left eye opened, but his left eye is trained against the sharingan. Moreover, he was damaged from a wound he inflicted upon himself, and his rate of decent at that distance would have made it practically impossible to lock his gaze.


Just because we saw sasuke's inside doesn't mean he saw it. Obviously the detail was there to show us that the nanobombs were inside his bloodstream, how exactly do you show that detail without revealing the inside of the body?

Also, byakugan and Sharingan still have plenty of differences. byakugan has 360 perception that can range for miles. A byakugan user can see anything, even if it is trying to hide.

We know Sharingan can not see through things and bodies, but it can see chakra. If Sharingan couldn't see chakra how the hell would a sharingan user be able to read a person's technique? You'll need to see chakra in order to copy ninjustu and genjustu techniques.


Also, Sasuke put Deidara in a genjustu when they landed. Deidara opened his right eye from the impact of the fall.

theshizzle
July 06, 2007, 05:05 PM
raikri and chidori is the same exact thing, look at the episode where Sauske and Garra are fighting..

AxelCross
July 06, 2007, 05:13 PM
raikri and chidori is the same exact thing, look at the episode where Sauske and Garra are fighting..

I figured as much. That was also the scene I was referring to in my previous post, I knew it was during the chunin exam, but forgot who Sasuke fought.

Decorus
July 06, 2007, 05:16 PM
Yes Sharingan can see chakra, no that does not give them an ability they don't have. You can't copy techniques using Sharingan. You most certainly can't copy Genjutsu with Sharingan since you can't see what they are doing to manipulate your Chakra to create the illusions.

You can however see that they used Fox + Tiger + Rabbit seals to create X technique.

How ever look its rasengan hmm no seals and all he is doing is collecting chakra to his hand then spinning it in a ball. Okie I'll try that. Now why can't I do it?

Or hmm he creates these earth seals then feeds clay into his hands and infuses it with his chakra. Why won't it work for me?

Or better yet look he flicked his finger at me and I'm seeing, hearing and feeling an illusion so all I have to do is flick my finger at him and hmm that doesn't seem to work.

sKaR
July 06, 2007, 05:58 PM
well...sasukes eyes can give color to chakra.So if his eyes give deidaras chakra say an orange color...everywhere deis chakra is there he can see orange.It was still strange how he could see them niside his body.That does sound byaguganesq.And probably sasuke applied the sharingan on dei soem time while he was charging at dei with the chidori.AS this all happens in a metter of seconds its hard to tell.

Dxl
July 06, 2007, 06:02 PM
i don't think this will be the end for deidara............ i think the time has finally come for tobi... he has been idel for the last 2 chapters now, it's his turn!

3shinkyo3
July 06, 2007, 06:02 PM
Yes Sharingan can see chakra, no that does not give them an ability they don't have. You can't copy techniques using Sharingan. You most certainly can't copy Genjutsu with Sharingan since you can't see what they are doing to manipulate your Chakra to create the illusions.

You can however see that they used Fox + Tiger + Rabbit seals to create X technique.

How ever look its rasengan hmm no seals and all he is doing is collecting chakra to his hand then spinning it in a ball. Okie I'll try that. Now why can't I do it?

Or hmm he creates these earth seals then feeds clay into his hands and infuses it with his chakra. Why won't it work for me?

Or better yet look he flicked his finger at me and I'm seeing, hearing and feeling an illusion so all I have to do is flick my finger at him and hmm that doesn't seem to work.

i believe the sharigan gives the insight to understand how a jutsu works by seeing the persons chakra. Kakashi touched on this when explaining elements to naruto, however as for the reference to the eating clay and earth seals obviously the sharigan will not allow a person to copy that because the are not designed to do such a jutsu it's like a blood limit thing and we all know sharigan can not copy that. However genjutsu is IMO one of the easiest things a sharigan should be able to copy as it is just one persons chakra influencing another person's chakra and it has been said time and time again the sharigan allows an individual to see chakra.

I do not believe kishi is making up new things for the sharingan just giving greater insight to the abilities we all know it can already do.

I thought this was an a good chapter it shows that sasuke still makes mistakes and isn't as untouchable as people thought kishi was trying to make out, also t shows he is not yet ready for itachi as he wouldn't be as reckless with his life.

richtoyz
July 06, 2007, 06:06 PM
anyone who read kakashi gaiden would no that the sharingan can c chakra within a body and c its flow that is not a new ability noing the relation ship between lightning and earth in theory is one thing testing it in battle is another and using the katana to kill two birds with one throw ihas always been considered smart so give sasuke his credit and stop hating

Merovingian
July 06, 2007, 06:22 PM
Saying that what's drawn is not exactly what Sasuke was watching is tp push to hard just to uncover Kishimoto's mistake. Guys, we are all Naruto Fan's and that's why we're always turned on to read as soon as it's launched, but let just face it, Kishimoto screw it up on this chapter.

As I said, this fight is most likely a Dragon Ball Z fight than a Naruto's Ninja fight.

Please, be aware that it's not the first time Kishimoto makes some serious mistake... The first and most classical mistake of all is Rock Lee. How the hell did he graduated as a Gennin if he can only use Taijutsu? Remember that Naruto failed because he was not as talented as necessary... Rock Lee, can not even use Genjutsu and stuff.

Most of this mistakes pass out without calling too much of attention once they do not interfere on the history and the way it goes through, but the Sharingan's x-ray abilities and Sasuke's saiyajin-like growth is pushing some of us, who appreciate "Shikamaru way of Naruto Manga" the most, to the limits of comprehension.

Impel Down
July 06, 2007, 06:25 PM
This is just more proof that after Naruto got element training, all they can talk about in Naruto is elements now, when they never fucked with elements before. Otherwise, this was mainly a stratgy chapter, which I have no problem with.

aznhotbod
July 06, 2007, 06:26 PM
so, pretime skip Sasuke can use chidori 2 times right? (or was it 3?)

So far he has used chidori needles (supposedly less straining than chidori), then he got one of his wings blown off, he used a chakra sword, 2 fairly high level dojutsu (he couldntve used a lower level considering the opponent was Akatsuki), now a chidori on himself. It doesnt seem that Sasuke has much chakra left either. Sasuke was never brought up to be a chakra house ala Naruto or Kisame. If Kishi still allowed Sasuke to have more chakra left to use a strong attack, it's just weird.

dasher232
July 06, 2007, 06:53 PM
I dunno anymore... at the moment I just read Naruto because it's a habit. I don't have the urgency to know whats going to happen next like I used to. Weather thats down to the manga going downhill or just me being to critial I don't know. However there's just too many things that verges on plotholes. I'm still trying to figure a lot of things from this chapter and previous out.

Also anyone noticed how Sasuke's become a bit of a jack of all trades?.

Littlewig
July 06, 2007, 07:07 PM
Also anyone noticed how Sasuke's become a bit of a jack of all trades?.

That what happens when you have sharingan and train under Oro would knows every single justu known to man(slight exaggeration).

People are way to critical of Sasuke, a lot of people's bias against is readily event. If this was another Ninja, some of you guys would be cheering instead of complaining.

lordHokage
July 06, 2007, 07:40 PM
This chapter was okay, no big bombshell. Earth is weak against Lightning. Sasuke owe Kakashi a lot. Deidara vs. Sasuke took almost 5 chapters, now Sasuke vs. Deidara who knows how many chapters... This battle is just getting started, where is Uzumaki Naruto and co? :hinata1 :kakashi :kiba :naruto :sai :sakura :shino1 :yamato



I'm really sad... Naruto manga is completely lost.

There are almost 12 ninjas surrounding the area on where Sasuke and Deidara are fighting. Even though, even after having a building sized dragon exploding half of a entire forest none of them could have sensed to come on where they are?? None of the ninja dogs felt them?? Hinata haven't seen a monstrous chackra cloud (Deidara's C4)?? Kakashi, Yamato and Karin couldn't felt all chackra released on the fight between these two titans??

I believe that when fight is over, we'll see almost all of them (team Hebi and Konoha 8 platoon) "noticing" the fight and arriving too late, Hebi first and then Konoha Team, obviously after Hebi leaving place. How predictable!! What's wrong with that? Dear god!! Konoha spread out under Kakashi's statement that there would be no problem to spread out once they could be gathered really fast, even before having a fight started...

Furthermore, we are no longer reading and seeing a fight between ninjas... Flying with a wing made of snakes?? It's most likely some super saiyajin's magicians fight... At least for me, Naruto has lost its charm.

Ps.: Do I have to mention that Sasuke's sharingan is even stronger than Itachi's once it's also a Byakugan??

I completely agree with you. Where are the ninja dogs? How big is this forest/country? :blink



You guys need to reread the manga's translation. Do you see any point where he goes I looked through my body and destroyed the nanobombs? Sasuke's sharingan don't have X-ray vision chakra sight. Sasuke being a reckless idiot who has absolutely no common sense just sent a wave of electricity into his own body to disable the nanobombs. I will praise him for figuring out that all of Deidara attacks are earth based, but he gets a failing grade for his Idiot plan of testing his theory by stabbing a landmine with his sword.

If he had half the brains of Shikamaru he would have used his chidori needles and a rock to test to see if he could disable the land mines rather then risking his life and limbs testing a theory he wasn't even sure if it was correct. So the drugs he has been taking reduced his intelligence to below Chouji levels.

I completely agree with you too. I think Sasuke underestimate the catastrophic damage of Deidara’s C4 jutsu. In the long-term, Sasuke will suffer. Deidara's C4 jutsu is almost identical to Naruto’s FRS jutsu, Kakuzu was destroyed from within. :eyeroll

Bandreus
July 06, 2007, 07:48 PM
Yeah, sharingan owns http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/928/motivator4694206ku3.jpg
Kishi is just showing his idea of a trully powerful Sasuke.

BTW I liked this chapter a lot, I only can't stand the mere fact Deidara is doomed

Hemostrat
July 06, 2007, 07:50 PM
so, pretime skip Sasuke can use chidori 2 times right? (or was it 3?)

So far he has used chidori needles (supposedly less straining than chidori), then he got one of his wings blown off, he used a chakra sword, 2 fairly high level dojutsu (he couldntve used a lower level considering the opponent was Akatsuki), now a chidori on himself. It doesnt seem that Sasuke has much chakra left either. Sasuke was never brought up to be a chakra house ala Naruto or Kisame. If Kishi still allowed Sasuke to have more chakra left to use a strong attack, it's just weird.

He also used a real chidori on the Deidara clone.

He could use three with the curse seal activated.

richtoyz
July 06, 2007, 08:00 PM
i am trying to understand what u r all crying about, i havn't seen sasuke do anything new with the sharingan

CopyNinjaKakashi
July 06, 2007, 08:14 PM
To answer those who are concerned that the nanobombs are still in Sasuke's body:

From a medical/biological perspective, his white blood cells will probably target the nanobombs since they won't have the right antigens on their surface. So they will be probably broken down and filtered out via the kidneys and then excreted in the urine.

But then again, who knows. I just thought this way makes sense biologically. There are other possible pathways, I just listed one.

I agree this chapter's purpose was basically to reenforce the elemental wheel. I don't know how to feel about it at this time. I am soaking it in with the last chapter and may wait another week to do one big review, I am not sure yet.

A point I will bring up in my future review: I also thought it was interesting that Sasuke told him to call it Chidori and not Raikiri. This may be a sign of respect towards Kakashi since Sasuke has never actually cut lightning with the technique to earn the name "raikiri." It may also be because he want's to be a separate entity than Kakashi and not totally linked to him. I believe it may be a little bit of both.

lordHokage
July 06, 2007, 08:39 PM
To answer those who are concerned that the nanobombs are still in Sasuke's body:

From a medical/biological perspective, his white blood cells will probably target the nanobombs since they won't have the right antigens on their surface. So they will be probably broken down and filtered out via the kidneys and then excreted in the urine.

But then again, who knows. I just thought this way makes sense biologically. There are other possible pathways, I just listed one.

I agree this chapter's purpose was basically to reenforce the elemental wheel. I don't know how to feel about it at this time. I am soaking it in with the last chapter and may wait another week to do one big review, I am not sure yet.

A point I will bring up in my future review: I also thought it was interesting that Sasuke told him to call it Chidori and not Raikiri. This may be a sign of respect towards Kakashi since Sasuke has never actually cut lightning with the technique to earn the name "raikiri." It may also be because he want's to be a separate entity than Kakashi and not totally linked to him. I believe it may be a little bit of both.

From a material physicist perspective, the nanobombs are like cancer, the damage is catastrophic. As long as Sasuke continue to use some form of lightning jutsu, he would always be connected to Kakashi. :eyeroll

CopyNinjaKakashi
July 06, 2007, 08:45 PM
From a material physicist perspective, the nanobombs are like cancer, the damage is catastrophic. As long as Sasuke continue to use some form of lightning jutsu, he would always be connected to Kakashi. :eyeroll

I must disagree. Cancer is uncontrollable cell growth, so I don't see how the nanobombs are like cancer. But again this is the narutoverse, not reality.

He will always be linked to his former sensei. That's why I would like to believe he wants it called chidori out of respect for his former sensei. Sasuke isn't totally evil, although you wouldn't know that if you judged him based on the last frame this week. Those are some scary eyes.

Sasuke is very analytical though. He was like a scientist in a way. He had a hypothesis about his lightning disabling the bombs. So he tested it first with the lightning needles. He then tested again with his sword to see if he could get the same results. Sasuke would make a pretty good scientist if he weren't a ninja.

Impel Down
July 06, 2007, 08:54 PM
Cancer and the bombs are nothing alike...seriously, where'd you think that up? And I agree that Sasuke is using Chidori way too much. He needs to connect to his Uchiha roots and use some fuckin' fire jutsus!

lordHokage
July 06, 2007, 09:06 PM
I must disagree. Cancer is uncontrollable cell growth, so I don't see how the nanobombs are like cancer. But again this is the narutoverse, not reality.

We have no idea on the implementation of what those nanobombs are capable off. Until we know how cancel cells is form, I disagree with you. :blink

Mitchie
July 06, 2007, 09:59 PM
I don't think that page 5 shows us what sasuke is seeing look at page 3 first you can see how the nanobombs look like end then you see what sasuke is seeing there kishimoto shows us what sasuke sees and what it looks like for real. If kishimoto would draw what sasuke sees ever time you would get the same blurry chakra panel like 3,4 and 5 from page 3 every time. which do you like more the blurry chakra panel or the panel with the details ?????
I think kishi is just showing us some nicer pics.

amperx
July 06, 2007, 10:03 PM
great chapter cant wait what happens next ish, its good to see that deidara really prove it a notch more, but it theres an elemental difference so theres nothing much he can do, I applaud you dei-kun *draws a fanart for him*

SacredNic
July 06, 2007, 10:15 PM
Nah man... this is one of the most entertaining battles to date. ;)

How can you not like Deidara's craziness and over-the-top explosions mixed with Tobi's child-like and easy-going demeanor?

Love it! Keep it up Kishi! :tem

Littlewig
July 06, 2007, 10:20 PM
To answer those who are concerned that the nanobombs are still in Sasuke's body:

From a medical/biological perspective, his white blood cells will probably target the nanobombs since they won't have the right antigens on their surface. So they will be probably broken down and filtered out via the kidneys and then excreted in the urine.

But then again, who knows. I just thought this way makes sense biologically. There are other possible pathways, I just listed one.



Actually, the nanobombs wouldn't even be detected by the body. At the nanoscale, the body will not differentiate the bombs and they will be treated like a protein. At such a small scale, the nanobombs won't have any ill effects on the body and will eventually be filtered out by the kidneys like you said. This is the whole premise of nanotechnology for use in medical care.

It really is amazing that Sasuke can see chakra that is so tiny, amazing.

I do have to wonder though, if he can see chakra that small, how does he not get overloaded with a chakra smear when he tries seeing? He should be seeing Chakra almost everywhere due to bugs in the air and stuff.

Non-Life
July 06, 2007, 10:41 PM
The most annoying quirks of this battle arc are:
1. The end of each chapter mentions somewhere along the
lines "...conclusion with a bang!"
2. This last chapter where Sasuke told Deidara "it's chidori, not
rakiri." I've must've seen tons of fanmade explanations on
the difference between Chidori and Rakiri, that it's given me
nightmares.
3. Sasuke owning Deidara despite the fact he looks beat up
himself. Hell he's been Oro's "bitch" for the last f****** three
years, give him something else to do besides suped-up
versions of moves he used in part I. (I'm only saying this
because I love trying to prove the fact
Kishi prefers Sasuke over Naruto-who didn't learn squat from
Jiraiya.)
[hr]

Actually, the nanobombs wouldn't even be detected by the body. At the nanoscale, the body will not differentiate the bombs and they will be treated like a protein. At such a small scale, the nanobombs won't have any ill effects on the body and will eventually be filtered out by the kidneys like you said. This is the whole premise of nanotechnology for use in medical care.

It really is amazing that Sasuke can see chakra that is so tiny, amazing.

I do have to wonder though, if he can see chakra that small, how does he not get overloaded with a chakra smear when he tries seeing? He should be seeing Chakra almost everywhere due to bugs in the air and stuff.

In Part I, Kakashi mentioned that even the Sharingan can't see the chakra inside another ninja-Hinata vs. Neji fight.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Kishimoto. The story is Naruto, not Sasuke. Too late to change it now.

IMO, Sasuke didn't look "tight" at the end of 361. Not one bit.

gift_art
July 06, 2007, 10:43 PM
Double Genjutsu
Overall the sasuke vs deidara part follows the usual logic of kishimoto ninja fight. Being too concentrated to the Sharingan Deidara didn't notice that Sas already turned off some bombs and land mines. Deidara might be able to avoid the first genjutsu but failed to recognize the second one. The second genjutsu starts when they both about to fall.

Sharingan Can't See Through
The way Kishi drew the bombs inside Sas body might drag some to conclude that Sharingan can see through things. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to draw the aura or glowing color around his hand.

2 x C4
Remember that at the first C4 Sas measure the range of the attack and stay outside the range. The 2nd C4 was explode right in front of him some even enter his circulatory system. This is Deidara's plan B and should works wonderfully if only Sas weren't able to counter it using lightning element.

Elements
Now we know the reason why Kakashi explained to Naruto about the cycle of 5 elements. Dei apparently didn't know this knowledge yet. I think this is the best part of having Sharingan and being able to 'read' your opponent's elements, especially useful for first time encounter just as sas v dei.

Good job Deidara, his tactics were quite good. After falling 2 times against sharingan (Itachi and Kakashi) it is acceptable to be so ambitious against it.
Sasuke, looks like you outsmart the booming artist, well done.

Note: there are already several nano-sized products in the market, I myself is in the project of product development using nano-sized calcium to strengthened teeth and bones, it kind of nice to know how Kishi stay uptodate with current technology

voidyou17
July 06, 2007, 10:45 PM
I really don't know what to say about this chapter... It was good, it was interesting and I enjoyed it but nothing really happened... Sasuke was able to counter the C4 and punched Deidara in the face. We also got to see that Sasuke really is a very talented ninja and he even got hurt during this battle(granted it was mostly his doing) and that was pretty much it.

Decorus
July 06, 2007, 10:53 PM
Cancer is created when the limits on cell regeneration are removed and cause the cells to reproduce out of control. Hence the tumor, there are a few Cancer "Cures" that are effective, how ever they are so toxic to people they would die from the treatment.

ornis
July 06, 2007, 11:07 PM
Those "treatments" being the marketable one's, right? Chemo and so forth? I hope the natural aids wouldn't poison ya.

Anyway, now that you've clarified, lets not crop a discussion on just cancer. Decorus' above statement is the last of that unless direct discussion about 361 applies. Explaining/expounding upon cancer's genesis---alone---isn't necessary henceforth.

Baradas
July 06, 2007, 11:11 PM
In Part I, Kakashi mentioned that even the Sharingan can't see the chakra inside another ninja-Hinata vs. Neji fight.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Kishimoto. The story is Naruto, not Sasuke. Too late to change it now.

IMO, Sasuke didn't look "tight" at the end of 361. Not one bit.

He's not seeing inside another, he's seeing the color of the chakra.

Like Naruto would look blue and someone else would look green.

He's not seeing any intensity, just that the color is there.

someguyudontknow
July 06, 2007, 11:53 PM
Cancer is created when the limits on cell regeneration are removed and cause the cells to reproduce out of control. Hence the tumor, there are a few Cancer "Cures" that are effective, how ever they are so toxic to people they would die from the treatment.



actually what you said is incorrect. It's not regeneration but division. Cancer is caused when a cell abnormally divides and continues to divide. A normal non malignant cell divides, and after a certain time dies. A cancerous(malignant) cell divides, and stays alive and keeps dividing. A tumor is when a bunch of cancerous cells "lump" together. Not all "cures" are toxic, just that you have to figure out if you have cancer quick. I wouldn't call them "cures" by the way but rather treatments. Chemo, radiation, surgery, and gene-therapy are the known treatments and most of them are effective depending on the type of cancer you have. Sorry, but i'm a nit pick, medical student ya know. =)



Replication of a cell //in part, and in great part, since nothing is accurately duplicated---not even a twin// is a result of cell division. Even though it's worded as regeneration, the semantics of which is touchy, I grasped that from Decorus' point and I grasp that you ignored my post.

But in an effort to clarify, I would like this discussion redirected to private messaging---unless you can pull a topic out of it in the General Discussion Forum. As for the undermine... this thread is closed for a bit.

ornis
July 07, 2007, 12:51 AM
Session reopened. Thoughtful discussion involving cancer + 361 will be left alone. Talk of cancer on its own will be deleted.

hmalik1003
July 07, 2007, 01:41 AM
i thought sasuke was able to see chakra color in the begginning of the manga...i.e. the haku fight. He was that naruto's chakra was red. now i dont know if it was that easy to see or if it was an ability of his sharingan but if it was an ability that would make sense

Omi
July 07, 2007, 03:37 AM
The way in which they previously said the sharingan worked (at least when Sasuke got the 3 tomeos) was that he could see the subtle ways in which the chakra entered the body with which he could predict the next movement ... or something like that. Makes sense then if it kind of adds another layer of color to the environment ... so its like you see their aura as well as their body (although this doesn't explains how he was able to see inside Naruto in the Kyuubi holding cell). BTW Naruto's chakra is yellow not blue (anime got it wrong and have maintained that blunder).

Sweet chapter. So from what we know now, did Sasuke only learn how to control and summon snakes from Oro?

Gio
July 07, 2007, 05:04 AM
I was under the impression that they were the same technique, different names. Gai explains something like this in the Chunin exams, when Sasuke uses Chidori, Gai and Kakashi keep calling it Raikiri, and then Gai says that the technique itself is called Chidori, but it's called Raikiri due to it's ability to cut lightning in half, like Kakashi did. I could be wrong, but I've never heard Raikiri being a different technique.

If you see the popularity post of jutsu, Raikiri and Chidori are listed as different jutsu, plus take a look a the description of each jutsu.


Chidori

* Name: Chidori, 千鳥, literally "One Thousand Birds"
* Type: A-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
* Users: Kakashi Hatake, Sasuke Uchiha

This jutsu is Kakashi's only original technique, though he now uses an S-ranked version known as the Lightning Blade. He created it around the time he was promoted to Jonin, and later taught it to Sasuke. This jutsu channels a large amount of chakra into the user's arm. The amount of chakra is so great that it becomes visible to the naked eye. The technique actually alters the nature of the user's chakra, effectively converting it into electricity. As a side effect of the conversion process, the large amount of chakra, and the speed at which the user moves, this technique makes a loud noise similar to many birds chirping, hence the name (if the user is not in motion, it merely makes an electric crackling sound). Once the technique is completed, the user charges forward and stabs their enemy with it. The amount of thrust combined with the large concentration of chakra allows the user to stab through almost anything; as such it is usually fatal to the enemy. This technique is classified as an assassination technique because of the speed at which it is performed, despite the loud noise it produces.



Raikiri

* Name: Raikiri, 雷切, literally "Lightning Blade"
* Type: S-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
* Users: Kakashi Hatake

This jutsu is an enhanced form of the Chidori, and has the same, albeit more powerful, effect. Kakashi is the only one able to use it, and it is named as such because he once cut a lightning bolt with it before it hit the ground. This jutsu requires a larger amount of chakra and better chakra control. This is exemplified in their respective appearances. Whereas the Chidori creates a large mass of chakra in one hand that appears near-white, the Lightning Blade is considerably more concentrated and appears in the normal blue color of chakra.



See?, Raikiri is like the perfection of Chidori, uses up much more chakra than Raikiri, is more powerful and concentrated, plus if i'm not wrong (not sure) there is not noise when performing Raikiri, 'cause Kakuzu didn't heard it coming... anyway... even if Raikiri does make the same noise, as you can see in the description, Raikiri > Chidori, therefore Raikiri and Chidori are not the same justu.

Paz42
July 07, 2007, 06:08 AM
On the whole seeing the colour of chakra maybe its just something that Sauske has trained his own sharingan cos so far hes only gone

"My sharingan can see the colour of chakra"

Not the sharingan so maybe its something hes perfected on his own with the help of oro over the times skip

richtoyz
July 07, 2007, 07:00 AM
obito was able to c chakra and how it flowed within the body hence noticing that rin was under the influence of genjutsu (with kakashi's help), so it is not a new ability

dasher232
July 07, 2007, 07:34 AM
obito was able to c chakra and how it flowed within the body hence noticing that rin was under the influence of genjutsu (with kakashi's help), so it is not a new ability

Differnce is it was presented as a huge jumble of chakra. Assuming that regularly he would have been able to see the flow and direction of chakra without being able to penetrate the body much at all. In this chapter Sasuke can see the chakra of tiny particles on a molecular level. Wouldn't such small particles be able to hide amognst the bigger flow of chakra his body would produce?.

Also the illustration seemed to coincide with what sasuke was saying in that he could see the channels (at least the way I see it is if you can see the particles you should be able to see the channels). Yet during the chuunin arc Kakashi said something along the lines of the Byakugan being much more insightful than the sharingan. Assumingly that would mean it would be able to penetrate further. As at the time that was what Negi and Hinata was doing. They were reading each other's chakra flow and trying to cork up the holes/ disturb the flow. So what is there further that would need to be seen beyond a molecular level. Just for arguments sake. Because otherwise Kakashi is wrong and the sharingan is indeed on par or beyond the Byakugan in terms of insight.

gift_art
July 07, 2007, 08:22 AM
well, in my country there are some 'doctors' who can diagnose your illness just by looking from the color of your aura. some can perform it using naked eye some use a special camera.

for example a more reddish color (hot) near your throat might reflect some infection or wound in your throat while yellow or green reflect cooler area

dasher232
July 07, 2007, 08:30 AM
well, in my country there are some 'doctors' who can diagnose your illness just by looking from the color of your aura. some can perform it using naked eye some use a special camera.

for example a more reddish color (hot) near your throat might reflect some infection or wound in your throat while yellow or green reflect cooler area

Where are you from exactly?.

C4animax
July 07, 2007, 08:49 AM
I completely agree with you too. I think Sasuke underestimate the catastrophic damage of Deidara’s C4 jutsu. In the long-term, Sasuke will suffer. Deidara's C4 jutsu is almost identical to Naruto’s FRS jutsu, Kakuzu was destroyed from within. :eyeroll

I believe deidara's bomb are now useless, since earth is weak against earth there's no way it would give damage to his body anymore, he didn't just lighten his body he hit himself "badly" to make sure that nothing is left...if he had a doubt in my opinion he could still look for it and disable the nanobomb...and yeah like naruto's justu expect that naruto is pure destruction of cell, no lightening to save your ass this time lol.


so, pretime skip Sasuke can use chidori 2 times right? (or was it 3?)

So far he has used chidori needles (supposedly less straining than chidori), then he got one of his wings blown off, he used a chakra sword, 2 fairly high level dojutsu (he couldntve used a lower level considering the opponent was Akatsuki), now a chidori on himself. It doesnt seem that Sasuke has much chakra left either. Sasuke was never brought up to be a chakra house ala Naruto or Kisame. If Kishi still allowed Sasuke to have more chakra left to use a strong attack, it's just weird.

Pre skip that's how much he could do, but 3 years later? And he (for the moment at least) has only as much as deidara's chakra unless proven contrary, sounds to me that deidara isn't the one who got the most chakra level in akatsuki. Comparing sasuke chakra's level to kisame and naruto's one is just comparing the incomparable.



Saying that what's drawn is not exactly what Sasuke was watching is tp push to hard just to uncover Kishimoto's mistake. Guys, we are all Naruto Fan's and that's why we're always turned on to read as soon as it's launched, but let just face it, Kishimoto screw it up on this chapter.

As I said, this fight is most likely a Dragon Ball Z fight than a Naruto's Ninja fight.

Please, be aware that it's not the first time Kishimoto makes some serious mistake... The first and most classical mistake of all is Rock Lee. How the hell did he graduated as a Gennin if he can only use Taijutsu? Remember that Naruto failed because he was not as talented as necessary... Rock Lee, can not even use Genjutsu and stuff.

Most of this mistakes pass out without calling too much of attention once they do not interfere on the history and the way it goes through, but the Sharingan's x-ray abilities and Sasuke's saiyajin-like growth is pushing some of us, who appreciate "Shikamaru way of Naruto Manga" the most, to the limits of comprehension.

Ninjas use tricks to disapoint their ennemies, using genjutsu is part of this, then it's not a DBZ fight :p.

I cannot agree with you when you talk about the graduation, ok rock lee cannot use anything other taijutsu but then what about gai? He's jounin. You can also look at other users like kankouro (who only uses puppet), shino (insects), even gaara made it to kazekage (he's special ok but still only using sand)...and for naruto do you think he's just genin level when he goes 3 tails?...agree for the last sentence even if think that this stays correct.


We have no idea on the implementation of what those nanobombs are capable off. Until we know how cancel cells is form, I disagree with you. :blink

If it is nano level then must be mixed with blood, it's like water, everything is destroyed.






I completely agree with you. Where are the ninja dogs? How big is this forest/country? :blink


Oh well, we don't know anything about the teams, juugo went cs mode so i believe he found one person, sakura is travelling wherever she want, naruto and co where fighting (probably at the same time) leaving kiba and kakashi left....we don't know what happened to the girl with sasuke and suigetsu...i think kishi wants to focus on this fight and we'll know more about it, still they might not be near sasuke, because it would be to easy to find him...which has been difficult from the very start.



Differnce is it was presented as a huge jumble of chakra. Assuming that regularly he would have been able to see the flow and direction of chakra without being able to penetrate the body much at all. In this chapter Sasuke can see the chakra of tiny particles on a molecular level. Wouldn't such small particles be able to hide amognst the bigger flow of chakra his body would produce?.

Also the illustration seemed to coincide with what sasuke was saying in that he could see the channels (at least the way I see it is if you can see the particles you should be able to see the channels). Yet during the chuunin arc Kakashi said something along the lines of the Byakugan being much more insightful than the sharingan. Assumingly that would mean it would be able to penetrate further. As at the time that was what Negi and Hinata was doing. They were reading each other's chakra flow and trying to cork up the holes/ disturb the flow. So what is there further that would need to be seen beyond a molecular level. Just for arguments sake. Because otherwise Kakashi is wrong and the sharingan is indeed on par or beyond the Byakugan in terms of insight.

Itachi did say that they were only three in total to be able to use MS...i believe that was just a mistake from kakashi who's not a full sharingan user...

KyleUchiha
July 07, 2007, 08:49 AM
Double Genjutsu
Overall the sasuke vs deidara part follows the usual logic of kishimoto ninja fight. Being too concentrated to the Sharingan Deidara didn't notice that Sas already turned off some bombs and land mines. Deidara might be able to avoid the first genjutsu but failed to recognize the second one. The second genjutsu starts when they both about to fall.

Sharingan Can't See Through
The way Kishi drew the bombs inside Sas body might drag some to conclude that Sharingan can see through things. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to draw the aura or glowing color around his hand.

2 x C4
Remember that at the first C4 Sas measure the range of the attack and stay outside the range. The 2nd C4 was explode right in front of him some even enter his circulatory system. This is Deidara's plan B and should works wonderfully if only Sas weren't able to counter it using lightning element.

Elements
Now we know the reason why Kakashi explained to Naruto about the cycle of 5 elements. Dei apparently didn't know this knowledge yet. I think this is the best part of having Sharingan and being able to 'read' your opponent's elements, especially useful for first time encounter just as sas v dei.

Good job Deidara, his tactics were quite good. After falling 2 times against sharingan (Itachi and Kakashi) it is acceptable to be so ambitious against it.
Sasuke, looks like you outsmart the booming artist, well done.

Note: there are already several nano-sized products in the market, I myself is in the project of product development using nano-sized calcium to strengthened teeth and bones, it kind of nice to know how Kishi stay uptodate with current technology


What do mean Deidara didn't know about this? Deidara says Sasuke figured out "my art's one weak spot in such a short amount of time".

Deidara was aware of what Sasuke could do but was probably betting that Sasuke wouldn't figure it out, at least not that quickly. Some are saying that Sasuke was relying too much on luck, but Deidara was as well, as he was hoping Sasuke wouldn't figure it out that soon.

zelllogan
July 07, 2007, 09:10 AM
Why the fact that deidara use doton jutsus a revelation ? It's obvious from the start: he comes from iwa and he uses clay for his jutsu.

Since the hidan/shika fight, the manga is nowhere. Hidan let himself fall into a trap. Why doesn't he resist the shadow justu and let himself prisonnier for several miles. Why kakuzu was that passive and was waiting for a beating ? Orochimaru was pathetic. Kabuto was no good either. The Sasuke new God was boring. His new team was not necessary. Kishi is almost as insane as Kubo these times.

And that elements order is just a poor imitation coming from nen affinity (Hxh).

dasher232
July 07, 2007, 09:38 AM
Why the fact that deidara use doton jutsus a revelation ? It's obvious from the start: he comes from iwa and he uses clay for his jutsu.

Since the hidan/shika fight, the manga is nowhere. Hidan let himself fall into a trap. Why doesn't he resist the shadow justu and let himself prisonnier for several miles. Why kakuzu was that passive and was waiting for a beating ? Orochimaru was pathetic. Kabuto was no good either. The Sasuke new God was boring. His new team was not necessary. Kishi is almost as insane as Kubo these times.

And that elements order is just a poor imitation coming from nen affinity (Hxh).

I wouldn't say it's a poor imitation just more open for holes through lack of solid bases in certain areas. The thing I like about HxH is that it looks like the mangaka has actually thought of every single aspect when it comes to battle. You would think the guy visited some other planet that he knows about and no one else, because it all works so well together.
As in I haven't found any holes in his approach to individual characters and their abilities in relation to other characters be it weaker or stronger. Another thing is that his use of training characters seems alot more relevant and believeable (the battle dome, the video game etc). Because it can all be explained easily using the structure he's set up (zetsu, hatsu etc). In Naruto it can get a lot more confusing because the mangaka doesn't really lay out the groundrules from the start on certain battle techniques. As in we still don't know what the sharingan definately can do in it's entirety and what it is limited to.
A lot of things are still left unexplained so that the reader is entirely in the hands of the mangaka and has no solid basis on a lot of things to say well ''that definately shouldn't work''. Maybe it's that way for a reason who knows.

lordHokage
July 07, 2007, 10:53 AM
Because otherwise Kakashi is wrong and the sharingan is indeed on par or beyond the Byakugan in terms of insight.

I agree that Kakashi maybe wrong what it comes to Sharingan facts, since he’s not a true member of the Uchiha clan, his knowledge is limited and not on par with Itachi and maybe Sasuke. However I disagree, I don’t think the sharingan is on par or beyond the Byakugan. The Sharingan is descended from the Byakugan, but grants the users different abilities and a different insight. Hyuuga’s Bloodline Limit is this village’s important trump card and is the strongest in Konoha. :eyeroll



I believe deidara's bomb are now useless, since earth is weak against earth there's no way it would give damage to his body anymore, he didn't just lighten his body he hit himself "badly" to make sure that nothing is left...if he had a doubt in my opinion he could still look for it and disable the nanobomb...and yeah like naruto's justu expect that naruto is pure destruction of cell, no lightening to save your ass this time lol.

If it is nano level then must be mixed with blood, it's like water, everything is destroyed.

I agree that Deidara’s bomb is now useless, and Sasuke is not out of the woods. In spite of him using a huge amount of lightning to destroy an earth catastrophic bomb, Sasuke will pay a very high price in the future. :(

I think nano level is like poison, everything would be destroyed. :s

Sarenji
July 07, 2007, 11:38 AM
Well, it looks like Tobi and Deidara yelling about the mines didn't matter after all, since Sasuke can see them with his eyes. All it did was give the duo a small disadvantage, since if they hadn't told Sasuke, Sasuke would have to reveal he knows the mines are there (either by not moving or somehow always "mysteriously" avoiding them), and thus alert Deidara and Tobi that he can see them.

Inquisitor
July 07, 2007, 12:30 PM
If anything, these last chapters show how weak Sasuke is.

I mean, he is pretty much better equipped to take on Deirida than anyone else. Lightning element to defuse his bombs, wings to counter Deirida's flight capabilities, a long range lightning whip thing to counter Deirida's range advantage, a Sharingan to figure out his big attacks, and he still got one of his wings blown off, is pretty beat up and almost exhausted of chakra.

If Sasuke tried to go toe to toe with Itachi at his current strength I think it's pretty clear Itachi would wipe the floor with him. I also can't see Deirida dying at this point, unless Tobi just plans on still hanging back and doing nothing the whole fight.

So, Sasuke basically has fought to a draw with someone he has almost every conceivable natural advantage over. Not very impressive.

flareofdragon
July 07, 2007, 12:49 PM
I think Kishi did mess up. I have already made a theory on Genjutsu in the Jutsu section, the Sharingan is supposed to notice more flow than insight, only Byakugan can penetrate depth. However, I do agree that the Sharingan should notice the Bombs. The Sharingan should be able to see Doton elemental chakra or Diedara's chakra from Sasuke's own.

Yeah, the techniques on HxH are way more laid out than Naruto.

And I agree with Inquisitor, Sasuke has been pushed to the limit. It was not a one sided fight. He still has ways to go before reaching Itachi, but we have seen him grow greatly since the beginning, the times when he would fear fighting a superior ninja and be overcome with fear. One thing I like about the Naruto manga is how the author shows the growth of each individual without compensating anything.

Decorus
July 07, 2007, 01:30 PM
Both Sasuke and Deidara are about to lose its just a question of which of them drops first.

Sasuke can't actually see the Chakra nanobombs, he saw them as a cloud of chakra and assumed it was a massive number of incredibly small explosives.

"I saw the chakra in those tiny bombs as a large cloud of smoke."
"Once I noticed you were flying outside the boundry of the cloud, avoiding the bombs was simple."

So no Nanovision Sharingan, sometimes I wonder about people who jump to such conclusions after reading a chapter.

As for his use of earth jutsu, personally I had figured he was using a combination of earth and water for his clay explosives.

ANBU4U
July 07, 2007, 02:28 PM
If anything, these last chapters show how weak Sasuke is.

I mean, he is pretty much better equipped to take on Deirida than anyone else. Lightning element to defuse his bombs, wings to counter Deirida's flight capabilities, a long range lightning whip thing to counter Deirida's range advantage, a Sharingan to figure out his big attacks, and he still got one of his wings blown off, is pretty beat up and almost exhausted of chakra.

If Sasuke tried to go toe to toe with Itachi at his current strength I think it's pretty clear Itachi would wipe the floor with him. I also can't see Deirida dying at this point, unless Tobi just plans on still hanging back and doing nothing the whole fight.

So, Sasuke basically has fought to a draw with someone he has almost every conceivable natural advantage over. Not very impressive.

You act as though he went in knowing these things.

If Sasuke had a rule book on Diedara going into the fight it would have been a different story, but the process of working our you opponents weaknesses takes time and blood. Diedara on the other hand pretty much knew what he was getting into from the start.....sharingan wise anyway. Enough to force Sasuke further than he otherwise would have been capable of at least (the genjutsu counter). It was Diedara anticipating that tactic that lead to Sasuke's only real injury.....which he was forced to do to himself (the wing isn't even part of his real body).

Did Diedara match-up against the wrong guy? Yea. But on the flip-side you'd be hard pressed to find anyone more prepared to face a sharingan....the reason Diedara loses here (If he does) will be because is focused too much on the eyes and not enough on Sasuke's 'non-heriditary' skills.
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As for his use of earth jutsu, personally I had figured he was using a combination of earth and water for his clay explosives.

We already know Earth plus Water equals Wood, not Clay.

lordHokage
July 07, 2007, 02:35 PM
Kishimoto did an excellent job in setting up this mix match of these two great losers. Sasuke is using CS2 and lightning jutsu so much, he also wants to make use of Team Hebi powers as well. Whatever happens to the great Uchiha powers he talks big about, is he a proud member of his clan? This fight is Sasuke's wake up call. :toilet



Both Sasuke and Deidara are about to lose its just a question of which of them drops first.

Sasuke can't actually see the Chakra nanobombs, he saw them as a cloud of chakra and assumed it was a massive number of incredibly small explosives.

"I saw the chakra in those tiny bombs as a large cloud of smoke."
"Once I noticed you were flying outside the boundry of the cloud, avoiding the bombs was simple."

So no Nanovision Sharingan, sometimes I wonder about people who jump to such conclusions after reading a chapter.

As for his use of earth jutsu, personally I had figured he was using a combination of earth and water for his clay explosives.

As for his earth jutsu, I agree. Since both Sasuke and Deidara are so arrogant, both of them would try to drops at the same time. :worship2

patrick_tambu
July 07, 2007, 03:37 PM
As for his earth jutsu, I agree. Since both Sasuke and Deidara are so arrogant, both of them would try to drops at the same time. :worship2

I still think Sasuke is trying to not kill Deidara.... Remember? He's looking for informations about his brother...... If he was on killin' time, it'd be different!

boyakist4649
July 07, 2007, 04:59 PM
Actually, this chapter's been the first "good" chapter in quite a while for me. Sasuke (for the first time in ages) is presenting some vulnerability and it is refreshing. I was missing the Shikamaru-like cleverness that was in the storyline during the first parts of Naruto, and was satisfied in this battle.

And lastly, I am pretty sure that Deidara is aware of the relationship between different elements. He also knew that Raiton nullified his explosives, and admits to being a weakness in his "art."

lordHokage
July 07, 2007, 05:19 PM
I still think Sasuke is trying to not kill Deidara.... Remember? He's looking for informations about his brother...... If he was on killin' time, it'd be different!

I don’t think Sasuke have what it takes to kill Deidara. He’s a big talker but no killer. I think Deidara would play on Sasuke’s weakness and tell him whatever he wants to know about Itachi and Akatsuki organization plans and that would definitely frustrate the hell out of Sasuke. :cussing

Inquisitor
July 07, 2007, 05:22 PM
You act as though he went in knowing these things.

If Sasuke had a rule book on Diedara going into the fight it would have been a different story, but the process of working our you opponents weaknesses takes time and blood. Diedara on the other hand pretty much knew what he was getting into from the start.....sharingan wise anyway. Enough to force Sasuke further than he otherwise would have been capable of at least (the genjutsu counter). It was Diedara anticipating that tactic that lead to Sasuke's only real injury.....which he was forced to do to himself (the wing isn't even part of his real body).

Did Diedara match-up against the wrong guy? Yea. But on the flip-side you'd be hard pressed to find anyone more prepared to face a sharingan....the reason Diedara loses here (If he does) will be because is focused too much on the eyes and not enough on Sasuke's 'non-heriditary' skills.


Actually, I can think of someone more prepared to face the sharingan off the top of my head pretty easily:

His name is Itachi, the person Sasuke is gunning for.

But you're right, most anyone else would have had a much harder time dealing with the sharingan. I'll have to disagree with Deirida knowing what he was getting into when the fight stated though. All he knew is that Sasuke was an Uchiha with the sharingan. He was suprised my Sasuke's incredible speed, he didn't know about the chidori current, he didn't know Sasuke could sprout wings and fly, he didn't know Sasuke could manipulate his chakra into a long blade, he didn't know Sasuke could summon snakes for defense and offense or to regrow his wings, he didn't know Sasuke could channel lightning through his sword. He didn't know a lot.

It's kind of funny, because if Deirida had more intelligent techniques he would have won. Pressure sensitive mines? There's no reason he shouldn't have designed that jutsu with multiple triggers. Make them pressure sensitive, or let them go off on a trigger word, or on other present conditions. Hell, or at least design them with a failsafe word to turn them off before he landed on his own mines. And instead of using another C4 blast at point black Sasuke, the explosive expert Deirida should have used a point blank shaped charge. Shaped charges are explosives that only blow up in one direction, usually a very concentrated blast. They are used for breaking open banks and stuff. For an explosive expert Deirida sure could use a larger variety of explosives.

2in1
July 07, 2007, 07:39 PM
For an explosive expert Deirida sure could use a larger variety of explosives.

that's why this fight bores the hell outta me - kishi wanted deidara to lose (didn't we all know that already?) and it's one-sided since very begining.

furthermore, like many others have already pointed out, there have been so many explosions yet no ninjas/dogs seem to notice. it's just ridiculous and apparently kishi is the only one who's focused too much on the eyes and not enough on other non-sharingan characters.

Tha_bounce
July 07, 2007, 08:10 PM
I don’t think Sasuke have what it takes to kill Deidara. He’s a big talker but no killer. I think Deidara would play on Sasuke’s weakness and tell him whatever he wants to know about Itachi and Akatsuki organization plans and that would definitely frustrate the hell out of Sasuke. :cussing

Continuing your thought process. Imagine Deidara did tell Sasuke of Akatsuki's plans being that they are basically extracting bijuus for world domination. With that knowledge along with what he has of Naruto being a bijuu would his priorities change?

I mean Sasuke hasn't really been one to show emotion. And it could be argued he put Naruto and co on the back burner so as to not lose any more valuable people. But if he knew a valuable person could be facing death soon, would his priorities change? Would he seek our Naruto to protect/help fight off the Akatsuki or would he totally disregard it and continue on with his goal.

Sasuke has not really been presented to have any internal conflict and this would be both a fun and interesting way of testing his mindset, determination and ties.

murani-san
July 07, 2007, 08:44 PM
Actually Sasuke already knows about Akatsuki and its goals from Orochimaru he is just trying to locate Itachi. Which brings an important question, why is Karin with Team Hebi? Was it really just initially to find Juugo in the north base because apparently she can't locate just anyone.

Deidara's feared C4 jutsu which apparently rivaled Naruto's rasen-shuriken has now been reduced to an A rank jutsu which is pretty much ineffective against jounins with lightning affinity. Kishi and this sharingod exploitation needs to stop. At this point there is no reason why we should be expecting a Sasuke/Naruto rematch because all signs point simply to a Itachi/Sasuke showdown. Somebody will have to fight the akatsuki leader so i'm guessing thats what Naruto's destiny will be.

fremeer
July 07, 2007, 10:13 PM
there will definitely be a sasuke/naruto fight. why u ask because sasuke needs to be naruto-fied like gaara did.
i dont think deidera can give form to complex explosives. Its more like she forms a creation with a certain amount of chakra in it which determines how powerful it is. Im guessing kishi just saw C4 plastic explosives and though thats pretty cool, imagine a character who had that ability. He then preceded to make the C4 explosives to have shape(bugs, dragons and stuff) because it looked like plasticine. He even used the name C1-C4 for for the strength level. C4 generally explodes out too much shaping going. I would have liked to see a bounding mine or two though.
on the sharingan having over the top ability to see chakra thats not the case, the sharingan can see masses of chakra easily but cant see the inner workings of human chakra points. sasuke was able to spot the fake mist clones easily using the sharingan

lordHokage
July 07, 2007, 10:21 PM
Continuing your thought process. Imagine Deidara did tell Sasuke of Akatsuki's plans being that they are basically extracting bijuus for world domination. With that knowledge along with what he has of Naruto being a bijuu would his priorities change?

I mean Sasuke hasn't really been one to show emotion. And it could be argued he put Naruto and co on the back burner so as to not lose any more valuable people. But if he knew a valuable person could be facing death soon, would his priorities change? Would he seek our Naruto to protect/help fight off the Akatsuki or would he totally disregard it and continue on with his goal.

Sasuke has not really been presented to have any internal conflict and this would be both a fun and interesting way of testing his mindset, determination and ties.

Very interesting thought process, I like it. :wtf

That information will totally blow Sasuke’s mind and everybody else. It would be the straw that broke the camels back for sure. Sasuke will definitely show off his true colors and protect his beloved brother, Naruto at all costs by killing two birds with one stone, he will execute his goal by fulfilling his priorities. :hug :wussfight

If this what Kishimoto have in mind for Sasuke to return back to Konoha, I fully support it. Something big needs to happen to change Sasuke prospective on life. :thumbs

Inquisitor
July 08, 2007, 10:22 AM
If anything Sasuke learning of Akatsuki's plan of world domination through bijuus would make Sasuke hate Naruto even more.

Why? Because once again, despite all of Sasuke's efforts and training Naruto is still more important to Itachi than he is.

I really can't see Sasuke ever returning to the leaf, he's too emotionally and mentally immature, but that's a different argument for a different day.

theshizzle
July 08, 2007, 12:08 PM
If anything Sasuke learning of Akatsuki's plan of world domination through bijuus would make Sasuke hate Naruto even more.

Why? Because once again, despite all of Sasuke's efforts and training Naruto is still more important to Itachi than he is.

I really can't see Sasuke ever returning to the leaf, he's too emotionally and mentally immature, but that's a different argument for a different day.

You are forgetting that Naruto has the power of influence. From what I learned from

all the filler arcs and movies (and i believe they serve their purpose) is that Naruto can change people. i think he will do the same

for sauske.

bennibb
July 08, 2007, 12:19 PM
Second, Sasuke sharingan is no Byakugan -_-. The sharingan could always see the chakra flowing trough somebody (only not as detailed as the byakugan) It has been shown before during the Chunin exam when Sasuke sees Naruto trough his Sharingan an Obito also displays it.


don't remember that at all ... don't believe you either

Its true... as I in a earlyer post. Obito saw Rin the same way. He could see that the flow was not natural and guessed correctly that she was under a genjutsu. And the most important difference here... Sasuke is only looking at his own flow of chacra and how its mixed with Deidaras bombs. But Neji would have seen his own Tenketsu aswell. And we can clearly see that those are not visible to Sasuke. So that kills the statement of Sasuke having a "byakugan/sharingan" if it was ever a theori at all :P Or atleast all Sharingan seems to have this insight. So Sasukes sharingan been better than Itachi at this point can not be confirmed

theshizzle
July 08, 2007, 12:28 PM
Its true... as I in a earlyer post. Obito saw Rin the same way. He could see that the flow was not natural and guessed correctly that she was under a genjutsu. And the most important difference here... Sasuke is only looking at his own flow of chacra and how its mixed with Deidaras bombs. But Neji would have seen his own Tenketsu aswell. And we can clearly see that those are not visible to Sasuke. So that kills the statement of Sasuke having a "byakugan/sharingan" if it was ever a theori at all :P Or atleast all Sharingan seems to have this insight. So Sasukes sharingan been better than Itachi at this point can not be confirmed

yes i remember somewhere (i think neji and hinata fight) kakashi saying byakuga has better

insight than the sharingan.. so that means the sharingan has insight just not as good as the

evil white eyes thingy

bennibb
July 08, 2007, 12:46 PM
i am trying to understand what u r all crying about, i havn't seen sasuke do anything new with the sharingan

Agreed... All Sasuke has done here with his eyes is not new. How you can say that Sharingan just became Byakugan? Someone just said this. but Ill repete. Byakugan can see trough stuff and with a 360 degree +- some (wel not + :P) It alsow sees the Tenketsu inside a body. This things cant Sharingan do, and Sasuke never did it either. The virus bombs was for the readers to see. Sasuke who had seen the effect before knew what it was. So he acteted on it. What he saw, was a un natural flow of his own Chacra. And that Sharingan can see the flow that is known from long ago. Kakashi tells that Byakugan exceeds in Insight. That tells me that Sharingan TO have insight... just not as much. And the evidence for that came in the Kakashi Gaiden where Obito saw that Rin was under a genjutsu.

So nothing new here about the Sharingan. Sasuke shows in this arc that he has grown with hes Uchiha blood by mastering the aspects of the sharingan. that he controls the Cursed seal. And that hes smart and cunning in battle. Overall that makes him au pair with Deidara. Witch as before was stated... was a BAD match for Sasuke couse of the earth vs Lightning.
(Sorry for repeting myself. Just had to get it all together)

I tought it was a great chapter. Nothing was to much. But i still want to see more flaws in those 15-16 year old kids. Man they grow to fast. a mans prime in str and speed is late 20's like 25-30 then they get a bit slower but stronger until they hit 40's then they decay in str aswel. Was kinda rofl when hmmm 28? year old Kakashi told it was soon time for the new gen to take over thats atleast what I feel about that. jiiiz to prime at 16-18 wish that was me

ANBU4U
July 08, 2007, 04:41 PM
Actually, I can think of someone more prepared to face the sharingan off the top of my head pretty easily:

His name is Itachi, the person Sasuke is gunning for.



That goes without saying.

Still, you have realize that that disadvantage is mutual. Itachi will have a hard time surprising Sasuke with his normal sharingan like he did Diedara....in fact I doubt it's possible, they both have three tome Sharingan and a wealth of experince using it.

Victory will get out of Sasuke's reach when Itachi uses MS, not before. But thats where Kakashi comes into play. Or Naruto....or both.
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I tought it was a great chapter. Nothing was to much. But i still want to see more flaws in those 15-16 year old kids. Man they grow to fast. a mans prime in str and speed is late 20's like 25-30 then they get a bit slower but stronger until they hit 40's then they decay in str aswel. Was kinda rofl when hmmm 28? year old Kakashi told it was soon time for the new gen to take over thats atleast what I feel about that. jiiiz to prime at 16-18 wish that was me

Seriously. I mean what about poor Kakashi's generation? At 25ish they should JUST be getting the reigns from the generation b4 them now.

I mean im 21....and I sure as hell know I haven't replaced my dad yet. I'm not even in the work force yet....not really.

This new generation taking over at 15 thing is nonsense. But w/e, I guess it IS a different world...I mean they were ninja at 12.

What's really gotten out of hand is 'Kage' level. You get the impression that Kakashi still isn't good enough to be Kage....and yet people like Garra have the title...which sets a relative standard as to just how skilled a Kage needs to be.

And by that Standard, 3 of the rookie 9 have a legit shot at the title at the age of 15.

bennibb
July 08, 2007, 04:49 PM
What's really gotten out of hand is 'Kage' level. You get the impression that Kakashi still isn't good enough to be Kage....and yet people like Garra have the title...which sets a relative standard as to just how skilled a Kage needs to be.

And by that Standard, 3 of the rookie 9 have a legit shot at the title at the age of 15.

Yes... this is bugging me... Kakashi is still growing in strength. Orochimaru was at the age of hmm 40?? when Sarutobi found him in the celler??? and then he ran off? And he was not at his prime then as I figured. Even tough Gaara (atleast that was how looked at it) was a marionette??(spelled wrong maybe) Kazekage to controle the Shakuku, It still shows that Kishi is going to fast with these kids vs the story of the older ninjas.
But then again... Kakashi was chuunin at age 6 (lol) and Jounin about the same age as Neji.

ANBU4U
July 08, 2007, 06:55 PM
Yes... this is bugging me... Kakashi is still growing in strength. Orochimaru was at the age of hmm 40?? when Sarutobi found him in the celler??? and then he ran off? And he was not at his prime then as I figured. Even tough Gaara (atleast that was how looked at it) was a marionette??(spelled wrong maybe) Kazekage to controle the Shakuku, It still shows that Kishi is going to fast with these kids vs the story of the older ninjas.
But then again... Kakashi was chuunin at age 6 (lol) and Jounin about the same age as Neji.

Kakashi and Itachi both made Jounin at a younger age than Neji.

76trombones
July 08, 2007, 09:08 PM
Yes... this is bugging me... Kakashi is still growing in strength. Orochimaru was at the age of hmm 40?? when Sarutobi found him in the celler??? and then he ran off? And he was not at his prime then as I figured. Even tough Gaara (atleast that was how looked at it) was a marionette??(spelled wrong maybe) Kazekage to controle the Shakuku, It still shows that Kishi is going to fast with these kids vs the story of the older ninjas.
But then again... Kakashi was chuunin at age 6 (lol) and Jounin about the same age as Neji.

Yes, but that's the entire point, really ... You'll notice that one of the main themes of Naruto is that the younger ninjas surpass the old. Thus, their growth in no way has to be proportional to the growth of the previous generation. Plus, as the guy above me has stated, there are still genius ninjas to look to who grew faster than anyone we've seen here. The point of all of this is that everyone in the rookie 9 turned out to be pretty extraordinary, and then Team 7 are all what will become the successors to the Sannin. They will surpass the Sannin. So there's really no need to be complaining that they're progressing "too fast" because there's no standard to set their growth against. They're SUPPOSED to grow ridiculously fast.

Seranel N'Ryt
July 09, 2007, 01:44 AM
hmm... i have a question. if Deidara-chan pop C4 art on Konoha, how about that result? lol

Dei-chan's jutsu is too huge scale

aldabest
July 09, 2007, 02:04 AM
I agree that the whole "surpassing" theme is valid, but I think it's reasonable to say that growth should have a standard. It may not, but it should :P

But anyways, I don't even think that it's unreasonable growth, so meh :D

taimoor2
July 09, 2007, 04:10 AM
^^I don't think the growth is unreasonable. Naruto is strong coz of kyuubi mainly, sasuke is strong because of drugs and cs2, gaara off course had shukaku. Neji is no where near kage level(kisame vs. team gai shows that quite well)....

Sasuke's fight with deidara shows a lot. It is quite clear he didn't outright outmatched deidara.

fremeer
July 09, 2007, 05:20 AM
not to mention being lucky enough to have lightning affinity based jutsu against an earth based opponent. sasuke is pretty beat up from that fight. yet a win is a win, deidera was probably one of the weaker akatsuki in terms of a dual because his jutsu's are more naturally suited too over the top explosions. and imo itachi has been the strongest for that type of fight so i think sasuke is gonna need a shit load more training.
One thing i find stupid is sasuke flying. shit like that always bugs me because it makes no sense, is his body now really light that allows him to fly? Then the snakes as wings is also retarded because that would never work. i can accept maybe sasuke gliding with them or even allowing for a single beat to push him up slightly higher but outright flying is fucking stupid.
on the rookie 9 getting powerful so fast: kakashi and gai is stronger than all of em at the moment, sasuke and naruto are the closest to him in strength yet kakashi would still probably kill em. itachi is on another level matching up with jiraiya and stuff. In general their are only about 4-5 really strong ninja in each generation from what ive seen, the rest are just strong(ino-shika-cho, new and old). Gaara was kazekage because although he might not be the strongest ninja, alot of the jounin's would have died in the konoha fight and having had the 3rd kaze and 4th kaze get killed very early on its highly possible that they chose gaara because of his home ground advantage and also his youth.

bannik
July 09, 2007, 06:07 AM
One thing i find stupid is sasuke flying. shit like that always bugs me because it makes no sense, is his body now really light that allows him to fly? Then the snakes as wings is also retarded because that would never work. i can accept maybe sasuke gliding with them or even allowing for a single beat to push him up slightly higher but outright flying is fucking stupid.

in a world where people walk on water and breathe fire you have to just let it be...

oh sasuke is so going to be beat up by tobi soon...

hitokugutsu
July 09, 2007, 06:51 AM
About the growth of the rookie 9, I believe the 3rd Hokage commented how talented the ninja of this generation were. And people like Kakashi are defintely above "average Jounin" level. This makes it hard to believe that Naruto actually has surpassed Kakashi since the only thing he has shown is one destructive jutsu

dasher232
July 09, 2007, 07:18 AM
That goes without saying.

Still, you have realize that that disadvantage is mutual. Itachi will have a hard time surprising Sasuke with his normal sharingan like he did Diedara....in fact I doubt it's possible, they both have three tome Sharingan and a wealth of experince using it.

Victory will get out of Sasuke's reach when Itachi uses MS, not before. But thats where Kakashi comes into play. Or Naruto....or both.
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Seriously. I mean what about poor Kakashi's generation? At 25ish they should JUST be getting the reigns from the generation b4 them now.

I mean im 21....and I sure as hell know I haven't replaced my dad yet. I'm not even in the work force yet....not really.

This new generation taking over at 15 thing is nonsense. But w/e, I guess it IS a different world...I mean they were ninja at 12.

What's really gotten out of hand is 'Kage' level. You get the impression that Kakashi still isn't good enough to be Kage....and yet people like Garra have the title...which sets a relative standard as to just how skilled a Kage needs to be.

And by that Standard, 3 of the rookie 9 have a legit shot at the title at the age of 15.

The kage thing is getting slightly ridiculous. However for me it's not because of Gaara. When you think about it the kage's are the best ninjas the village has to offer. And for Suna it makes sense that it's Gaara. However switch to Konoha and who's in charge?. Tsunade as much as I love the character would not hold ground against Kakashi or Gai in a fight and I think that was proven when she got whopped by Kabuto. I understand Jiraiya didn't want the title but I guess this time they chose a ninja to be a kage because they were lacking in a certain department. And that was their medical team.

Kage's at the beggining were described to be the epitome of what a ninja is and Tsunade to me is just a great med-nin. It would be the equivalent of letting Sakura be kage because shes best med nin in the village. And Naruto turned out like Jir and just floats from country to country. And sasuke developed a hatred for Konoha. Even though characters like Hinata, Neigi or shika would beat her in a fight. When you look at what Tsunade has displayed compared to what sarutobi went out with she doesn't seem to be fitting as a kage. I just hope it doesn't get completely worthless when it comes for time to choose the next one. By the way slightly off topic does anyone think they might do a Kage exam at the end?.

zelllogan
July 09, 2007, 09:04 AM
Its true... as I in a earlyer post. Obito saw Rin the same way. He could see that the flow was not natural and guessed correctly that she was under a genjutsu. And the most important difference here... Sasuke is only looking at his own flow of chacra and how its mixed with Deidaras bombs. But Neji would have seen his own Tenketsu aswell. And we can clearly see that those are not visible to Sasuke. So that kills the statement of Sasuke having a "byakugan/sharingan" if it was ever a theori at all :P Or atleast all Sharingan seems to have this insight. So Sasukes sharingan been better than Itachi at this point can not be confirmed

There is a huge difference between what obito saw and the precision of god-sasuke. And the byaku/sharin was never a theory. It was just to show our depreciation of sasuke abused powers (don't care anymore if it is coherent or not).

But I don't want to argue. Sharingan is way too powerful, sasuke is a god, akatsuki is a bunch of losers that don't help each others, oro isn't there anymore, ... The manga is almost dead for me (just my opinion). I still have one piece in the 3 most popular manga (if naruto is almost dead, bleach is already buried).

fremeer
July 09, 2007, 10:58 AM
The kage thing is getting slightly ridiculous. However for me it's not because of Gaara. When you think about it the kage's are the best ninjas the village has to offer. And for Suna it makes sense that it's Gaara. However switch to Konoha and who's in charge?. Tsunade as much as I love the character would not hold ground against Kakashi or Gai in a fight and I think that was proven when she got whopped by Kabuto. I understand Jiraiya didn't want the title but I guess this time they chose a ninja to be a kage because they were lacking in a certain department. And that was their medical team.

ummm kabuto was gonna lose the match against a tsunade who was weakened from not fighting or training for alot of years. if he didnt exploit her weakness he would be dead. Tsunade is by no means weak and i doubt that there are a handful of ninja that could defeat her in a fair fight.


in a world where people walk on water and breathe fire you have to just let it be...
oh sasuke is so going to be beat up by tobi soon...

but here is the thing they explain how people walk on water and breathe fire, its not like they dont follow physical laws. Generally flying things in manga really shit me unless its a ki or wind thing. nitpicking

aznhotbod
July 09, 2007, 11:19 AM
Saying Itachi having a hard time surpassing Sasuke's regular 3-tomed Sharingan is just wrong. There's no Itachi trying to surpass Sasuke anything, maybe emotion instability/immaturity. Itachi has been and most likely is still superior than Sasuke in genjutsu, ninjutsu, taijutsu, and dojutsu. Sasuke has shown some big development in his sharingan ability, but has he surpassed Itachi? IMO if he did, he wouldntve needed 3 extra helps against Itachi/Kisame.

Sharingan can see chakra flow as evidenced in Kakashi Gaiden. But it cannot see chakra openings, which Byakugan can, along with almost 360 vision. So, it's not surprising or extra power boost to Sharingan when Sasuke saw the chakra bomb in his system.

Deidara's C4 bomb is not being downgraded in general, but only in front of a sharingan user, and arguably a Byakugan user with high level raiton jutsu. It also requires substantian stamina since one would have to use the high lvl raiton on himself. Against anyone without the ability to detect chakra flow, and without the knowledge of the C4 bomb, that would be a deadly+silent kill.

Black/Light
July 09, 2007, 11:48 AM
but here is the thing they explain how people walk on water and breathe fire, its not like they dont follow physical laws. Generally flying things in manga really shit me unless its a ki or wind thing. nitpicking

YOU ARE CORRECT!!

Really, this kinda screwed up this whole fight for me. . . not to even touch on the almightly SG (I could have sworn SG can't see jack if a solid object is bloking it like say a tree or solid ground. . . ).

But on to the snakes. . . .
1. Can Sas not regrow his "wing" once he goes CS2 after having it blown off?
2. How the hell do a group of random snakes moving in a un orderly way make up a wing?
3. Wouldn't these snakes make him heavyer?
I mean, I could have let it slide if he only glided with them seeing as there ARE gliding snakes but a wing? WTF. . .

Man, flying in anime/ manga just pisses me off altogether. Cause than your bond to get these "come out of no where to attack at some crazy angle that no one would have expected" fights. That was one thing I liked about Naruto. . . people don't just do completely off the wall un explainable crap like flying with a wing made of snakes or having someone bust out with some new lev of use for a well made tract like the 3 dot SG (which already seemed over powered).
Really. . .>_>

flareofdragon
July 09, 2007, 12:09 PM
For people who have been complaining about Deidara's reliance of C4, think about it for a bit.

The clay bunshin cannot blow up now, because Sasuke used a Chidori on it. The other bunshin, if it was a simple explosion would be DISABLED with little or no chakra usage and no guarantee of actually killing the opponent. Sasuke just has to use a little bit of electricity like needles to nullify the explosion. The C4 on the other hand requires a tremendous amount of energy to ensure survival.

spactaa
July 09, 2007, 01:03 PM
http://www.mysteriousearth.com/attachments/blog/0000015/snake.jpg

Sasuke must have grown one of those on his back, flying snakes!

dasher232
July 09, 2007, 03:55 PM
YOU ARE CORRECT!!

Really, this kinda screwed up this whole fight for me. . . not to even touch on the almightly SG (I could have sworn SG can't see jack if a solid object is bloking it like say a tree or solid ground. . . ).

But on to the snakes. . . .
1. Can Sas not regrow his "wing" once he goes CS2 after having it blown off?
2. How the hell do a group of random snakes moving in a un orderly way make up a wing?
3. Wouldn't these snakes make him heavyer?
I mean, I could have let it slide if he only glided with them seeing as there ARE gliding snakes but a wing? WTF. . .

Man, flying in anime/ manga just pisses me off altogether. Cause than your bond to get these "come out of no where to attack at some crazy angle that no one would have expected" fights. That was one thing I liked about Naruto. . . people don't just do completely off the wall un explainable crap like flying with a wing made of snakes or having someone bust out with some new lev of use for a well made tract like the 3 dot SG (which already seemed over powered).
Really. . .>_>

I thought robin's wings from one piece was a little ridiculous but yeah the snake thing you just have to turn a blind eye to.

Black/Light
July 09, 2007, 03:57 PM
Those don't fly, they glide. . . like suger gliders, the "flying frog" and what not.

Sas flying with a wing made out of snakes makes about as much sense as Naruto's leg getting blown off and he summons a row of frogs to act as it's replacement. . .>_>.

Blind eye? No way, Im putting this right in my "WTF?!? Why?" folder. . . . right there with the "if SG is so important to the leaf than why didn't they try to pull a Kak with some of their eyes after Itachi killed them all?" and "when the hell are they going to tell us how Kak got the MS?"

QMark
July 09, 2007, 04:45 PM
Those don't fly, they glide. . . like suger gliders, the "flying frog" and what not.

Sas flying with a wing made out of snakes makes about as much sense as Naruto's leg getting blown off and he summons a row of frogs to act as it's replacement. . .>_>.

Blind eye? No way, Im putting this right in my "WTF?!? Why?" folder. . . . right there with the "if SG is so important to the leaf than why didn't they try to pull a Kak with some of their eyes after Itachi killed them all?" and "when the hell are they going to tell us how Kak got the MS?"

I think the only thing we shouldn't turn a blind eye to is your lack of spelling out entire names and using less known abbreviations. Seriously, Kak? Sas? What's next, Juu?

Anyhow, to be on topic, this was an ok chapter. Explanations seem to put Sasuke at the top of the fight, implying that he had everything under control since the beginning until a point. Having to chidori yourself isn't too good of a thing to do.

khar2
July 09, 2007, 05:06 PM
Those don't fly, they glide. . . like suger gliders, the "flying frog" and what not.

Sas flying with a wing made out of snakes makes about as much sense as Naruto's leg getting blown off and he summons a row of frogs to act as it's replacement. . .>_>.

Blind eye? No way, Im putting this right in my "WTF?!? Why?" folder. . . . right there with the "if SG is so important to the leaf than why didn't they try to pull a Kak with some of their eyes after Itachi killed them all?" and "when the hell are they going to tell us how Kak got the MS?"

he could use one wing to fly, snakes to glide, well imposible "snakes part" to glide but birds can flay with just one wing.;)

That would be nice then naruto would have bigger jump then sasuke and kakashi :D

What are you reading, dont you know konoha is morale village, no that oro shits on corpses:D and i have another theory, none of these people didnt die with their sharingan on so their eyes are useless, and obito died with his on, and he was still alive so transplatation was posible:D
see everything can be explained:D :D

Merovingian
July 09, 2007, 06:58 PM
Just to clear out somethings I said before... I questioned how could Rock Lee graduate as long as he can't use anything else but Taijutsu. Somebody said that Aburame use insects and Gai Sensei uses Taijutsu too... Ok, they RATHER fight using insects and Taijutsu, but that's because they're specialists on it, not because they can't use anything else. It's never been told. About Rock Lee... everybody knows he CAN'T use genjutsu and stuff. Gaara is from Sunagakure where they didn't have a Gennin academy until after Chunnin-Exam's Arc.

I'm still very disappointed with course that Naruto is taking... Kishimoto has lost his common sense and things, like characters growth are not as founded as they used to be.

Man, we knew that the most gifted between the "summoners" used to be Jiraiya, however... Sasuke is humiliating Jiraiya. He can make Snakes grow from his own body!! How the hell he can do that?? Orochimaru-sama was able to to that thanks to YEARS of experiments that changed his own body physiology. Sasuke has absorved Orochimaru's mind only... How the hell did he gain powers that orochimaru had to alter his own body to obtain????? Is it also a "OMG HOW FREAKING POWERFUL Sharingan is" ability???? LOL... I'm afraid if Sasuke decides to "eat" the mind of some kekkei-genkai owners... So, he'll also learn how to make Clay bombs?? Manipulate Wood?? Manipulate his own body's bones?? Turn his body into watter??

That's not just that... Man, since the beginning when I start reading Naruto, I learned that the stronger Ninja was always the most versatile and gifted. Why am I saying this? Ok, let me explain: We all know that in therms of versatility Sasuke, today, stays on the top of the rest. He has the all powerful sharingan, he's a Katon and a Raiton user, he's far beyond the best summoner ever seen, he's an excellent Taijutsu user, he's fast like hell and he still managed to control his Cursed Seal as better than anybody else... After seeing all of this, how did Kakashi intended to help Naruto to fight Sasuke?? Teaching him a Ninjutsu?? What the $@#%$ is this? A Naruto version for Genki-dama?? So... no matter how gifted your enemy is, how versatile he is, how stronger than you are he is... All that matter is who can make the biggest energy ball??? (As long as your enemy doesn't have a Sharingan! LOL!! It's a paradox!!!)

Then again, Kishimoto has lost the control of how the story flows. He's no longer writing following some rules, rules that would made the Manga make sense. He's now writing based on characters popularity and because of that, he's stretching the arcs longer than they were suppose to go.

Kishimoto is lost, think of how many "things" he started and then left aside. Today I read Naruto expecting on when it'll get better.

akatsuki27
July 09, 2007, 11:38 PM
complaints complaints complaints and yet every week you all read the manga....everyone keeps saying sasuke can do this and that and why does kishimoto make him so powerful....yet when itachi's name comes up you say sasuke is nowhere near his level

those snakes coming from his body....hello! hidden snakes hands....orochimaru has done it a million times, he didnt have to alter his body for that...its called ninjutsu people!!! when a ninja makes fire come out of his mouth, did he have to alter his body with experiments for that??

also as far as this chapter is concerned, it was awesome....its not that sasuke was so much superior to deidara that he will win the fight...its cause sasuke was a bad elemental match for deidara...not only was he making bombs that were easily visible by his sharingan...all his earth jutsus fall to sasuke's lightning....just like kakuzu was pierced by kakashi when even when he had his "impenetrable skin" on

lets start enjoying this manga for what it is and stop asking why frogs can talk

flareofdragon
July 10, 2007, 12:07 AM
I really do not get the snakes thing. I mean whats the deal with how people can use it? Whatever, lets get to the meat grinder, naruto's training.

First you complain that the best ninjas are the most versatile ninjas. And Sasuke is the most versatile ninja known on Narutoverse (lets ignore Kakashi for a moment) because he can manipulate two elements, has genjutsu, flight, speed, strength, and brains. And then, you COMPLAIN that Kakashi taught Naruto how to use Wind techniques? Are you missing the plain contradiction here? Kakashi taught Naruto how to manipulate nature so that he could be more versatile, not just to invent new technique. Even if he did, Naruto becomes more versatile through the understanding of elements, even you know the benefit of understanding elements.

Sharingan begets Genjutsu, I have explored the relationship. Sasuke's is nothing close to the binding jutsus used by our genjutsu masters (such as Kurenai). It was a simple trick that gave him a quick tactical advantage. Itachi's almost made Deidara blow himself up. I would suggest many ninjas would use genjutsu, its just that the specialists can only use the truly frightening ones.

And please explain, what are the things Kishi left behind?

Oh and Sasuke transferred Oro's mind into Kabuto.

coworlando
July 10, 2007, 12:09 AM
Umm, some of you seriously need to reconsider reading this series. Take a couple of weeks off then come back and catch up. With as much gripes as you have it seems like you are not enjoying it at all or that you believe Kishi has personally slighted you by not writing to pamper your imagination.

If you look at the overall literary formula of the entire story, Kishi is sticking to his guns pretty well. I kind of like the way this fight is going. It reminds me of some early on fights in the series.

AxelCross
July 10, 2007, 12:28 AM
Umm, some of you seriously need to reconsider reading this series. Take a couple of weeks off then come back and catch up. With as much gripes as you have it seems like you are not enjoying it at all or that you believe Kishi has personally slighted you by not writing to pamper your imagination.

If you look at the overall literary formula of the entire story, Kishi is sticking to his guns pretty well. I kind of like the way this fight is going. It reminds me of some early on fights in the series.

Speak the damn truth! Holy Hell, many of you are hypocritical. "Kishimoto is insane, what is he doing!?", "The Naruto series is SRLY sucking right now!", and yet we see the same thing every week, which tells us you're still reading it. *Sigh*, complaining doesn't mean you have to quite reading it, but like Coworlando said, take a damn break, honestly.

Other than that, I think it's great. The artwork is the best it's been in a very long time, the writing is fairly good, though I do think it could be better, while it's cliched (name a manga that isn't and you'll get a free BJ, courtesy of Betsy the cow), it's going in a good direction I think. Kishimoto is setting the stage for some really big events here, I think anyone can see that by analyzing what's going on at the time. Either way, some people need to chill out, getting worked up over it won't change anything at all, it'll just annoy the hell out of people.

notBowen
July 10, 2007, 01:01 AM
Just because people read the manga doesn't automatically make their criticism of it hypocritical. They are fans, they have their grievances, and often times passionate ones given how much they have invested in the story and just because one chapter, or even a whole arc rubs them the wrong way doesn't mean they're ready to just throw away all they've invested at the drop of a hat, and it doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to express themselves.

Personally I think save a few breaks in the suspension of disbelief to explain away Sasuke's victory (the whole chapter was exposition on how Sasuke isn't screwed, which is evidence to at least some amount of the author simply writing himself out of a corner), this fight has been quite well done, especially given that I didn't really care for Deidara or any of his previous fights prior to this one.

gold349
July 10, 2007, 02:25 AM
http://www.mysteriousearth.com/attachments/blog/0000015/snake.jpg

Sasuke must have grown one of those on his back, flying snakes!

form all talk off saske using snakes as a wing and flying? where did you see this, 'cus i must have missed a page or two?

from what i can see you can not actually say for sure that he flew on to the bird using both wings(one snake). I got the jist that he merely used the snakes to balance the weight when he jumped on too the bird that is more likely than him using snakes as wing to fly, i mean look at the gaps between the snakes, no way can he trap air between them which is needed for flight.

someguyudontknow
July 10, 2007, 04:43 AM
Just to clear out somethings I said before... I questioned how could Rock Lee graduate as long as he can't use anything else but Taijutsu. Somebody said that Aburame use insects and Gai Sensei uses Taijutsu too... Ok, they RATHER fight using insects and Taijutsu, but that's because they're specialists on it, not because they can't use anything else. It's never been told. About Rock Lee... everybody knows he CAN'T use genjutsu and stuff. Gaara is from Sunagakure where they didn't have a Gennin academy until after Chunnin-Exam's Arc.

I'm still very disappointed with course that Naruto is taking... Kishimoto has lost his common sense and things, like characters growth are not as founded as they used to be.

Man, we knew that the most gifted between the "summoners" used to be Jiraiya, however... Sasuke is humiliating Jiraiya. He can make Snakes grow from his own body!! How the hell he can do that?? Orochimaru-sama was able to to that thanks to YEARS of experiments that changed his own body physiology. Sasuke has absorved Orochimaru's mind only... How the hell did he gain powers that orochimaru had to alter his own body to obtain????? Is it also a "OMG HOW FREAKING POWERFUL Sharingan is" ability???? LOL... I'm afraid if Sasuke decides to "eat" the mind of some kekkei-genkai owners... So, he'll also learn how to make Clay bombs?? Manipulate Wood?? Manipulate his own body's bones?? Turn his body into watter??

That's not just that... Man, since the beginning when I start reading Naruto, I learned that the stronger Ninja was always the most versatile and gifted. Why am I saying this? Ok, let me explain: We all know that in therms of versatility Sasuke, today, stays on the top of the rest. He has the all powerful sharingan, he's a Katon and a Raiton user, he's far beyond the best summoner ever seen, he's an excellent Taijutsu user, he's fast like hell and he still managed to control his Cursed Seal as better than anybody else... After seeing all of this, how did Kakashi intended to help Naruto to fight Sasuke?? Teaching him a Ninjutsu?? What the $@#%$ is this? A Naruto version for Genki-dama?? So... no matter how gifted your enemy is, how versatile he is, how stronger than you are he is... All that matter is who can make the biggest energy ball??? (As long as your enemy doesn't have a Sharingan! LOL!! It's a paradox!!!)

Then again, Kishimoto has lost the control of how the story flows. He's no longer writing following some rules, rules that would made the Manga make sense. He's now writing based on characters popularity and because of that, he's stretching the arcs longer than they were suppose to go.

Kishimoto is lost, think of how many "things" he started and then left aside. Today I read Naruto expecting on when it'll get better.


Rock Lee passed because Gai allowed it due to his "spirit". Just like how Naruto was able to pass even though he failed the test. He passed because Iruka allowed it. I don't like how this chapter is progressing as well either. Sasuke seems unstoppable... I mean cmon he chidori'd himself and was still able to land a hard punch into Deidara... Also, no, only the "white" snakes coming from orochimaru was a result of his experimentation. His regular green colored snakes is a technique. Whats her name, the one that has a curse seal on her can also make snakes come from her hands without seals.

fremeer
July 10, 2007, 06:05 AM
sasuke is actually not that powerful from what i have seen, he barely beat deidera who although powerful was not the best ninja. From what i have seen he will have no chance against itachi because even if both sharingan's cancel each other out, itachi just seems to have a higher dueling capability. but at the moment i have to say that sasuke is the strongest of the rookie 9 but barely with naruto only half a step behind

patrick_tambu
July 10, 2007, 06:48 AM
Those are my lines too!!!
Btw Orochimaru too, looked at Sasuke thinking that compared to him (who was called a genius), Sasuke was far better. It's like what Kakashi said about the new generations being able to surpass the older....
About the stories Kishi "left aside", i hope we'll get some explainations. If not, i'll deal with that at the end!!!!!

zelllogan
July 10, 2007, 08:24 AM
sasuke is actually not that powerful from what i have seen, he barely beat deidera who although powerful was not the best ninja. From what i have seen he will have no chance against itachi because even if both sharingan's cancel each other out, itachi just seems to have a higher dueling capability. but at the moment i have to say that sasuke is the strongest of the rookie 9 but barely with naruto only half a step behind
Sasuke is fighting against a akatsuki member with no intention of killing. Deidara have the intention of killing and came with enough preparations (that was not the case against gaara or kakashi+naruto).

walkie
July 10, 2007, 08:59 AM
sasuke is actually not that powerful from what i have seen, he barely beat deidera who although powerful was not the best ninja. From what i have seen he will have no chance against itachi because even if both sharingan's cancel each other out, itachi just seems to have a higher dueling capability. but at the moment i have to say that sasuke is the strongest of the rookie 9 but barely with naruto only half a step behind

seeing deidara as not very powerful, is a mistake....just check some abilities of deidara again:

1) can attack from very far away...if you can not get him what will you do??
2)controllable bombs... i mean deidara can control direction of some bombs (used against sasuke for once, but used many against gaara)
3) big explotions....if you are not fast enough or dont see coming or doesnt have very effective defense what can you do? since big explotions also effect big areas...
4) microscopic C4...truely amazing and scary jutsu....without byakugan or sharingan, almost all ninja can fall for that tricky bomb....

deidara is strong, he shouldnt be underestimated. he is not strong in means of itachi or jiraiya or kakashi, he is not an all overall ninja but he is definetely dangerous one...

Black/Light
July 10, 2007, 09:07 AM
I think the only thing we shouldn't turn a blind eye to is your lack of spelling out entire names and using less known abbreviations. Seriously, Kak? Sas? What's next, Juu?


. . . WOW! Well SORRY if I assumed that most people would be smart enuff to understand what I mean by putting down the first 3 letters for the main characters names as to save time. . .

Good lord >__>

Merovingian
July 10, 2007, 09:31 AM
I really do not get the snakes thing. I mean whats the deal with how people can use it? Whatever, lets get to the meat grinder, naruto's training.

First you complain that the best ninjas are the most versatile ninjas. And Sasuke is the most versatile ninja known on Narutoverse (lets ignore Kakashi for a moment) because he can manipulate two elements, has genjutsu, flight, speed, strength, and brains. And then, you COMPLAIN that Kakashi taught Naruto how to use Wind techniques? Are you missing the plain contradiction here? Kakashi taught Naruto how to manipulate nature so that he could be more versatile, not just to invent new technique. Even if he did, Naruto becomes more versatile through the understanding of elements, even you know the benefit of understanding elements.
I've never said Naruto learning how to manipulate wind was a bad thing!! If I did, show me... I don't know where did you read this.
What I complained was how Kakashi intended to prepair Naruto to fight against Sasuke?? Teaching a single move?? Oh c'mon!! That's enough to defeat Sasuke?? And what about Sasuke's speed? Saruke's Genjutsu? Sasuke's Taijutsu? Sasuke's brains? Did Kakashi really thought that a single element based Ninjutsu would be enough to surprass all of this advantages?? Did you now get my point?

And please explain, what are the things Kishi left behind?
Man... Please think again, then, if you still can't remember a single thing, ask again and I'll list it to you.

Oh and Sasuke transferred Oro's mind into Kabuto.
From where did you take this???

gift_art
July 10, 2007, 09:32 AM
I dun understand why some kept complaining about how the story progress. The way I see it is that as long as that none of us can predict what happen in the next chapter even with the help of some early spoilers, or even being fooled by them by believing them as the original chapter, each chapter is then always comes as a pack full of surprises.

Perhaps we are just full of our expectations of how our favourite characters should be. Esp. for the last chapter, Sas is really awesome and smart which make some narutofans a little dissapointed. However I still love how Kishi kept the original character and attitude of each characters consistent from the starting chapter. Naruto wouldn't get as smart as Shikimaru or Sasuke, etc. no matter what training or assignment he performed and that will last till the last chapter.

In the last fight I think the message is quite clear, Sakura, Naruto, Kishimaru already beats one Akatsuki member, to make everything even, Sasuke needs to kill another Akatsuki. At the same time, Kishi also comparing Itachi and Sasuke and implying that Sasuke's skill is far below Itachi for now.

Black/Light
July 10, 2007, 10:22 AM
I've never said Naruto learning how to manipulate wind was a bad thing!! If I did, show me... I don't know where did you read this.
What I complained was how Kakashi intended to prepair Naruto to fight against Sasuke?? Teaching a single move?? Oh c'mon!! That's enough to defeat Sasuke?? And what about Sasuke's speed? Saruke's Genjutsu? Sasuke's Taijutsu? Sasuke's brains? Did Kakashi really thought that a single element based Ninjutsu would be enough to surprass all of this advantages?? Did you now get my point?

Im sorry but what are you taking about? Kak has only been teaching Naruto for like 3 days before he pulled off the FRS on Kuz. . . than FRS got banned and Naruto had to heal up some. . . now we are at this point.

It seems to me that Kak was trying to show Naruto how to make something as high level as the FRS so that he could, in the process, gain a much better grasp on the wind element in a short amount of time. Like he went ahead of the book lessons a few chapters so that everything below that would come easyer and faster. And plus, I think it's up to Naruto at this point to make up his own wind attacks seeing as the FRS was mainly used to make Naruto have a better understanding of his element.

And I also don't get your list of things Naruto just has to "better" himself in. Sas Genjutsu. . .Naruto already has shown he sucks at that and has his own way of getting out of it. He will probly make up some new way of getting around it. And Sas's speed, Taijutsu and brains? Naruto aint slow moving or dum himself and we have yet to actually see Naruto do enuff Tai to say he needs help in it.

fremeer
July 10, 2007, 11:08 AM
seeing deidara as not very powerful, is a mistake....just check some abilities of deidara again:

1) can attack from very far away...if you can not get him what will you do??
2)controllable bombs... i mean deidara can control direction of some bombs (used against sasuke for once, but used many against gaara)
3) big explotions....if you are not fast enough or dont see coming or doesnt have very effective defense what can you do? since big explotions also effect big areas...
4) microscopic C4...truely amazing and scary jutsu....without byakugan or sharingan, almost all ninja can fall for that tricky bomb....

deidara is strong, he shouldnt be underestimated. he is not strong in means of itachi or jiraiya or kakashi, he is not an all overall ninja but he is definetely dangerous one...

i should have clarified, deidera isnt really a fighter in the classical sense, he is more a heavy gunner/mage type character. He is very powerful when far away from an opponent but up close his fighting ability is virtually zero. in some ways sasuke is the perfect fighter for this kind of fight, he is fast and has many powerful close and mid-range jutsu's. im just saying that deidera isnt at uber levels, he is closer to kakashi than any1 else in terms of power

Decorus
July 10, 2007, 02:50 PM
I wouldn't ring this up as a Sasuke Victory yet it can still go the other way, and who knows what Deidara has up his sleeve still. Both of them are about to either win or lose the fight. For all we know they could both fall over and it turns into a Tobi vrs whom ever fight.

flareofdragon
July 10, 2007, 03:07 PM
I am sorry, but the only thing I can think about is Akatsuki, Kabuto, and Sasuke. Nine tails and Itachi being tied to Akatsuki, I don't really see a lot of things left.

Additionally, its your focus on the FRS Jutsu thats getting me. Yes, Kakashi's intention was upgrading the Rasengan. But guess how Sasuke is this powerful? Upgrading the chidroi. As Naruto starts understanding the element manipulation and shape manipulation, he will naturally develop some new techniques and abilities through wind. We might even see naruto applying wind shurikens. My most important point is that while Kakashi did intend on upgrading rasengan as a final goal, the process itself makes Naruto a more powerful versatile fighter. Just like when Kakashi taught Sasuke/Naruto how to stick to trees, he also taught the group how to channel chakra to move quicker even though the goal was to walk on walls.

Naruto definitely does not suck at Taijutsu. He is not an ace at it, but no one can doubt his ability to melee. He is, at the very least, around Chouji's level.

Uhm the Kabuto is kind of implicit. First, Sasuke looks at Kabuto with his sharingan, and we know by this point he has control. Next we see that Oro has started to take over Kabuto's mind. Therefore, we can infer that Sasuke himself does not have Orochimaru in his mind because either he transferred it to Kabuto or Oro himself went to Kabuto as a desperation measure.

zelllogan
July 10, 2007, 03:25 PM
Uhm the Kabuto is kind of implicit. First, Sasuke looks at Kabuto with his sharingan, and we know by this point he has control. Next we see that Oro has started to take over Kabuto's mind. Therefore, we can infer that Sasuke himself does not have Orochimaru in his mind because either he transferred it to Kabuto or Oro himself went to Kabuto as a desperation measure.

That's not true. Kabuto made experiences with the rest of oro's body. That's all. Oro's mind situation is unknown.
And chouji's level is one of the weakest in the manga. Naruto is weaker than sasuke in everything (taijutsu,genjutsu (the weakest of his generation for me), average speed, diversity, ninjutsus, ...) behalve spirit and chakra.