Naruto's Lover: Who should it be and why?

[lordHokage]

I remember how you were deadset on the Akatsuki Leader being Yondaime, Naruto and Sakura being siblings, etc. I would hardly call that manga fact.

Akatsuki Leader being Yondaime was all a theory but manga facts take precedence over theory. As for Naruto and Sakura being siblings and etc, they are all theories and one day Kishimoto would prove me wrong or right again. :D

[Alterno]

I don't see why narusaku fans are saying that Tsunade is not the lead female character?... Sakura was made to be dislikeable/annoying character who stands in the middle as translated (not by me, but by the person who translated that interview @ his site, is the most detailed interview done to Masashi Kishimoto, I'm still looking for one which talks about why he decided Sasuke and Naruto to kiss each other.

The main character is Naruto, period. The most important Kunoichi or the lead female character at the moment is Tsunade for many reasons: The most powerful Kunoichi and it have been established that Hokage are the strongest shinobi of their village, heck if Kakashi has done to the power of someone who has the title of Hokage since Sandaime (that old man). Tsunade has been mentioned even before Jiraiya appeared: I wan't to be strong as the legendary "Kunoichi Tsunade" - Ten Ten. Tsunade is the leader of Konoha thus Sakura's leader, sensei, etc...

Even if I believe this and if we understand the role that Kishimoto has given to her, it doesn't change the fact that Sakura is important to the story or the fact that she and Ino will surpass Tsundade. But we can't give credit to Sakura to something that his author has never said or established in the manga. Sakura is a chunim and we still have to see her leading a team. Sakura is a follower, heck Naruto being a genin at least has taken the initiative, telling everybody to follow him.

You know this is funny, when Kishomoto was asked long ago about which other character besides the main character, he would choose as main character for a story, he replied "Kakashi", and a few months he surprised everybody with "Kakashi Gaiden".. Saying that Sakura is a main character is like saying that Jiraiya is weaker than Kakashi.

Maybe there's is a lot of confusion in this because Kishimoto has done many things which were never expected in a manga: Romance ???. Rivals kissing?, A genious with bad grades? and many other things. He develops his character very well.

Peace... :D
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Sakura and the Uchiha fan is the icing on the cake for me. Well done, Alterno, you did well. :D

Wait till you see what I'll bring next... I remember another interesting cover...

[lordHokage]

@ Lord Hokage and Alterno,

i cant see hinata getting her own time any soon, on the other hand sakura will have her time in 2008, hinata will never get her own time, because she aint in team 7, or someone who is really strong and influental like jiraiya and tsuande.

sakura has more importance than hinata, you cant argue with that.
how much screen time has sakura got compared to hinata.

if naruto ends up with hinata, he'll be a failure, because he failed to get the love from who he desired from the start (sakura), its the same with jriaiya-tsuande.

and we all know naruto will surpass jiraiya, minato and has already surpassed kakashi, so for naruto to surpass jiraiya he needs to be with sakura.

The only reason why Sakura has more screen time than Hinata is because Sakura is on Naruto's team. Sakura's role has to be put in context. The story is all about Naruto and whoever is on his team benefit from it. If Ino was in Sakura’s position, Sakura would be like Ino, useless. If Naruto ends up with Hinata, in Kishimoto's eyes that is not a failure. Kishimoto is telling a story and apparently you have no idea what the story is all about. :p :D

[Neuroff]

Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sakura are getting the bulk of the focus in 2008. No Hinata. That clearly makes Sakura a more important character than Hinata.

[Alterno]

Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sakura are getting the bulk of the focus in 2008. No Hinata. That clearly makes Sakura a more important character than Hinata.

Umm... more important? Tsunade doesn't have the same screen/focus time than Sakura, is Sakura more important? Jiraiya didn't have the same screen/focus time of Kakashi, is he more important?... How many chapters are going to be released in 2008?, if w don't count holidays and think that each week a chapter will be released without interruption, that is equal 48 chapters. If you consider that Kishimoto says that Sakura needs to grow and if we consider what Kishimoto's sick mind understands about how to make a character grow... that means that Tsunade, Shizune or Ino (close friend) will receive the focus not Sakura.

Sakura is an imporant character, but she is not a main character. Not one has said that Sakura is less important than Hinata. But I can tell you something, if Hinata and Naruto happens, Sakura probably will be moved away as it has happened in most of the manga of this gnere... I said probably right?... In the other cases the mangaka establishs the wife/gf of the main character as equal to the female main character's sidekick(s)/partner.



The only reason why Sakura has more screen time than Hinata is because Sakura is on Naruto's team. Sakura's role has to be put in context. The story is all about Naruto and whoever is on his team benefit from it. If Ino was in Sakura’s position, Sakura would be like Ino, useless. If Naruto ends up with Hinata, in Kishimoto's eyes that is not a failure. Kishimoto is telling a story and apparently you have no idea what the story is all about. :p :D

Agree in most of the part, but Ino was a little stronger than Sakura, in the first part and equally in terms of skills, I can easily say this because Ino didn't punch Sakura because she is her friends and at the same time rivals. I think they switched role, because Ino at least defended Sakura from Sound.

[Neuroff]

Kishimoto doesn't only say that Sakura is going to grow up, he says he's writing ABOUT HER. "I'm gonna write about mainly Sasuke next year. And Kakashi and Sakura, after that. Especially Kakashi. I can't tell yet but a huge event will happen to him." Any Hinata? No.

[lordHokage]

Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sakura are getting the bulk of the focus in 2008. No Hinata. That clearly makes Sakura a more important character than Hinata.

And there is a reason for that. Kakashi, Sakura and Sasuke are on Naruto’s team. If Ino, Kiba, Neji, Rock Lee, Shino, Hinata, Tenten, Chouji, Gai-sensei, the late Asuma, Shikamaru or Kurenai-sensei were on Naruto’s team, they would be getting the bulk of the focus in 2008 too. My guess besides Kakashi, any ninja could have been selected to be on Naruto’s team but somehow lady luck was on both Sakura and Sasuke’s sides. :D

[Neuroff]

Actually, he says Naruto is going to wait. So he's writing about Sakura, it has nothing to do with Naruto. But it seems the mangaka's words don't mean anything to you.

[MegaX]

I don't see why narusaku fans are saying that Tsunade is not the lead female character?... Sakura was made to be dislikeable/annoying character who stands in the middle as translated (not by me, but by the person who translated that interview @ his site, is the most detailed interview done to Masashi Kishimoto, I'm still looking for one which talks about why he decided Sasuke and Naruto to kiss each other.

Tsunade is only as much of a lead as Jiraiya. Which is actually a true supporting role.

And naturally, once a character has been designed for one thing, it is absolutely impossible for the character to evolve at all. Characters are nothing like real people. They never change or develop. At all.


The main character is Naruto, period.

Wrong. A story can have multiple main characters, and Naruto is no exception. The three main characters are Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura. I think you're confusing main characters with protagonist, which is somewhat understandable, but not correct by default.


The most powerful Kunoichi and it have been established that Hokage are the strongest shinobi of their village, heck if Kakashi has done to the power of someone who has the title of Hokage since Sandaime (that old man).


So the Third was the main male lead early on then, right? After all, he was the most powerful male shinobi and Hokage.


Tsunade has been mentioned even before Jiraiya appeared: I wan't to be strong as the legendary "Kunoichi Tsunade" - Ten Ten. Tsunade is the leader of Konoha thus Sakura's leader, sensei, etc...

We call this foreshadowing. Incidentally, Minato was mentioned before that, so he must be the male lead. Or the Third, since he was mentioned earlier too.


Even if I believe this and if we understand the role that Kishimoto has given to her, it doesn't change the fact that Sakura is important to the story or the fact that she and Ino will surpass Tsundade. But we can't give credit to Sakura to something that his author has never said or established in the manga. Sakura is a chunim and we still have to see her leading a team. Sakura is a follower, heck Naruto being a genin at least has taken the initiative, telling everybody to follow him.

Isn't it obvious with his themes? The younger surpassing the older, and Sakura's progress over the timeskip? The old generation are not the main characters. They are even further removed from Team Gai and the rest of the rookie nine that aren't Team 7 in terms of their roles as lead characters. None of the Sannin are front-liners anymore; their roles are to push and support the main characters.


You know this is funny, when Kishomoto was asked long ago about which other character besides the main character, he would choose as main character for a story, he replied "Kakashi", and a few months he surprised everybody with "Kakashi Gaiden"..

Earlier, I didn't mention Kakashi as a main character. To be honest, Kakashi actually does serve somewhat as one. But then, I suppose if Chad can be considered a main character in Bleach, Kakashi certainly qualifies. In fact, I would argue that Team 7 are the main characters period.


Saying that Sakura is a main character is like saying that Jiraiya is weaker than Kakashi.

Flawed. You're comparing two arguments that are entirely unconnected. Plus, one of them happens to be right.

[Alterno]

Created a new thread... for this... we are running out of topic... I'll anwer both in that thread...

@topic
However Hinata deserves his love not sakura.... I think i have posted a lot of points to support it... If I'm not wrong I wrote @ list of 32 points to support it. Peace... :D

[Haloblade345]

Neither, I think Ichiraku's daughter deserves Naruto's love.

Lol True
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Well this what I, think guy don't always fall for the good girls. Takw a look Minato and Kushina was a Tomboy and probaly agrsive. well Minato well he was Minato He peobaly got hit a lot from Kushina for his stupid acts like Ero-senin said he pulled of pranks and always got in troble. but look at that He Boned kushina,she got her pregnet and gave brith to a desend child. and you know what im going with this

[Marvstar]

It seems Sakura and Naruto's relationship will only ever be like what Jiraiya's and Tsunade's.

So my vote goes to Hinata! ;)

[lordHokage]

It seems Sakura and Naruto's relationship will only ever be like what Jiraiya's and Tsunade's.

So my vote goes to Hinata! ;)

I totally agree. Both Naruto and Sakura would be lovers just friends. :D

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

The only reason why Sakura has more screen time than Hinata is because Sakura is on Naruto's team. Sakura's role has to be put in context. The story is all about Naruto and whoever is on his team benefit from it. If Ino was in Sakura’s position, Sakura would be like Ino, useless. If Naruto ends up with Hinata, in Kishimoto's eyes that is not a failure. Kishimoto is telling a story and apparently you have no idea what the story is all about. :p :D

wtf, i actually said hinata is not as important sakura because she aint in team 7, so either you cant read :amuse or you didnt read what i said:o

does naruto love hinata? no

does he love sakura ? yes

i keep reading IFs, IF Sakura wasn't in team 7 she be usless like ino, bla bla etc

but the fact is she isnt

[baboysai]

does naruto love hinata? no

does he love sakura ? yes

i keep reading IFs, IF Sakura wasn't in team 7 she be usless like ino, bla bla etc

but the fact is she isnt

agreed. It's as simple as that, folks.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I don't see why narusaku fans are saying that Tsunade is not the lead female character?... Sakura was made to be dislikeable/annoying character who stands in the middle as translated (not by me, but by the person who translated that interview @ his site, is the most detailed interview done to Masashi Kishimoto, I'm still looking for one which talks about why he decided Sasuke and Naruto to kiss each other.

The main character is Naruto, period. The most important Kunoichi or the lead female character at the moment is Tsunade for many reasons: The most powerful Kunoichi and it have been established that Hokage are the strongest shinobi of their village, heck if Kakashi has done to the power of someone who has the title of Hokage since Sandaime (that old man). Tsunade has been mentioned even before Jiraiya appeared: I wan't to be strong as the legendary "Kunoichi Tsunade" - Ten Ten. Tsunade is the leader of Konoha thus Sakura's leader, sensei, etc...

Even if I believe this and if we understand the role that Kishimoto has given to her, it doesn't change the fact that Sakura is important to the story or the fact that she and Ino will surpass Tsundade. But we can't give credit to Sakura to something that his author has never said or established in the manga. Sakura is a chunim and we still have to see her leading a team. Sakura is a follower, heck Naruto being a genin at least has taken the initiative, telling everybody to follow him.

You know this is funny, when Kishomoto was asked long ago about which other character besides the main character, he would choose as main character for a story, he replied "Kakashi", and a few months he surprised everybody with "Kakashi Gaiden".. Saying that Sakura is a main character is like saying that Jiraiya is weaker than Kakashi.

Maybe there's is a lot of confusion in this because Kishimoto has done many things which were never expected in a manga: Romance ???. Rivals kissing?, A genious with bad grades? and many other things. He develops his character very well.

Peace... :D
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Wait till you see what I'll bring next... I remember another interesting cover...

im not arguin who is the lead female character here, im arguin that sakura is more important character than hinata,

and sakura will one day surpass tsunade, so then she'll be the most powerful kunoichi and more important than tsunade, if you think about it she already is a more of an important role, if not , she'll be later.

also about sakura being annoying and all that, which was said by kishi himself, that was part 1 stuff

we're not talking about sakura in part 1,(also i would very much like to know when the interview was taken)

in part 2 sakura is much different and not annoying.

[Jehuty]

wtf, i actually said hinata is not as important sakura because she aint in team 7, so either you cant read :amuse or you didnt read what i said:o

does naruto love hinata? no

does he love sakura ? yes

i keep reading IFs, IF Sakura wasn't in team 7 she be usless like ino, bla bla etc

but the fact is she isntThe topic is who deserves Naruto's love. I vote Hinata does.

But in regards to your post...

Does Sakura love Naruto? No.

Does she love Sasuke? Yes.

Obito and Rin. Jiraiya and Tsunade. Unrequited love is Naruto's destiny in that case...

Kishimoto had this interview with Shonen Jump:
SJ: What is the theme for part 2?
Kishimoto: I want to continue "People accepting other people" theme. I also want to put in romance that I wasn't able to in part 1. It seems difficult though. (laughs)
SJ: What will happen in the love lives of Ino, Sakura, and Hinata?
Kishimoto: I hope something happens! Haha!
SJ: There are several cases of unrequited love in Naruto. I mean, Naruto, Sakura, Ino, Hinata, and Rock Lee are in what any of them ever have their love return?
KM: Ah. Well, perhaps. You're right, there are lots of cases. I'd never really thought about it until now, but they do make sympathize more with the characters. Maybe at least one case will be requited. I would just have to figure out to go about it.
SJ: We're hoping Hinata gets her chance.
KM: Me, too.

In another interview, Kishimoto was asked why he would put Hinata in the story, to which Kishimoto answered, "Why do you think I put her in there?"

[lordHokage]

wtf, i actually said hinata is not as important sakura because she aint in team 7, so either you cant read :amuse or you didnt read what i said:o

does naruto love hinata? no

does he love sakura ? yes

i keep reading IFs, IF Sakura wasn't in team 7 she be usless like ino, bla bla etc

but the fact is she isnt

Does Naruto still love Sakura? If yes, please give me rock solid proof, not no fanfiction hear say made up stuff :p

Does Sakura love Naruto? No :p

Does Sakura still love Sasuke? We don't know :p

Does Naruto love Hinata? That information is unknown :p

[Alterno]

This is a little offtopic, so I think someone should create a thread replying this part of the topic, please...

Part 1 or Part 2, it has nothing to be with character design... Sakura is the same person is just that there's something that is not overshadowing the main character this time at her eyes... Sasuke. Even the most die hard narusaku fan will tell you that it was necessarily to pull Sasuke away from the team to change that.
Ino, Sakura both are going to surpass tsunade, if you consider what Kishimoto consider as making a character grow, then Ino right now is in the head, after losing Tsunade will that make Sakura grow and make Ino grow even more?... in terrain of speculation I can say that was stronger than Sakura in part one, if you consider Sakura's closing her eye when Ino slapped her face instead of punching it. As the design of the character Ino and Sakura are similar.
It doesn't mean that surpassing Tsunade will make them stronger than Tsunade, unless they become stronger than her right now, today, or in the next chapter, it will be a proccess and it doesn't guaranteed, that character like Ten-Ten or Hinata could surpass both of them together. All falls under the terrain of the possibility.Just to don't go off topic anymore, if you want to continue send me a private message or even better create a new thread. quoting this one.


im not arguin who is the lead female character here, im arguin that sakura is more important character than hinata,


So you mean that Sakura deserves Naruto's love because she is a more important characater?(just trying to get back on topic:p ) that's is very relative...

As character in the story

There's not doubt, between both she (Sakura) is more a important character in the story.

As character...

Sakura Haruno: Daughter of the owners of the candy shop, student of legengary Kunoichi Tsunade, Student of Kakashi. She can use super strenght by releasing chakra at the same time she does the force. Can cause direct external damage and indirect internal damage (like rock lee).. anyway I don't want her to hit me.. :D

Hinata Hyuuga: Member of the clan Hyuuga which is the strongest clan of Konoha, daughter of the heir of the clan and thus next heir of her clan, student of Kurenai, has the Byakuugan, her bloodline is know to have an outstanding control of their chakra something that Sakura or Tsunade can't do, like releasing and controlling chakra from the pores, which is known as ability of their kekkai genkai, can see chakra point and can block them, increasing or interrupting the chakra flow. She can cause direct internal damage. (Kakashi: You can't train your internal organs...)


Just one point...

References gives a higher possibilty to Naruhina than narusaku, not only because Kishimoto's covers, also because it not the first time that we have seen a character like Hinata becoming from less important to the story, to becoming equally important for story as female character... or like the lioness in the jungle displacing another character from that role.

Neither the first time which a character like most of the narusaku fan describe Hinata (not being enough in the manga, not being relevant to the story)... becomes the girl for the main character...

Chi Chi, daughter of Ox Satan (a king), appeared in less chapters that Hinata during part one became the wife of the main character and mother of his sons... just like is going to happen with Hinata and Naruto, lol..

However nothing of the quoted or replied above, says which character deserves naruto's love more, at least not in this post. Narusaku fans best attack is actually Hinata's absolubte defense... :D

[MegaX]

Does Naruto still love Sakura? If yes, please give me rock solid proof, not no fanfiction hear say made up stuff :p

The Ramen scene after the Kakuzu battle.


Does Sakura still love Sasuke? We don't know :p

Does Naruto love Hinata? That information is unknown :p

If yes, please give me rock solid proof. Not fanfiction, hearsay or made-up stuff.

[lordHokage]

The Ramen scene after the Kakuzu battle.

Oh please, that is not rock solid proof. :p

[Alterno]

Does Naruto still love Sakura? If yes, please give me rock solid proof, not no fanfiction hear say made up stuff :p

Does Sakura love Naruto? No :p
Does Sakura still love Sasuke? We don't know :p
Does Naruto love Hinata? That information is unknown :p

Well at least we know who is totally clear about her feelings, not one can say that Sakura loves Naruto, but we can say that Hinata does.

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[Black/Light]

Wow, this topic has really spinned out of topic. Really, what does Sak having some focus this year (it sounds to me like Sas and Kak will be focused on way more) have to do with anything?

Anyway, to the TOPIC, who deserves Naruto's love more?

The girl who has loved the core of his character before he could even fart out a half desent clone or the one who ignored him and has been in love with Sas sense the manga started? Humm, . . . . what do yoooou think?

[baboysai]

The girl who has loved the core of his character before he could even fart out a half desent clone or the one who ignored him and has been in love with Sas sense the manga started? Humm, . . . . what do yoooou think?

-_- I really don't like this reasoning. It's never about who loves who longer. If you were in the guys shoes do you simply love back who loves you longer? That's not always the case is it? What if you like someone better, but she just hasn't noticed you yet? That's why Naruto doesn't give up, until at least Sakura acknowledges him, and his heart can be fulfilled.

[Black/Light]

-_- I really don't like this reasoning. It's never about who loves who longer. If you were in the guys shoes do you simply love back who loves you longer? That's not always the case is it? What if you like someone better, but she just hasn't noticed you yet? That's why Naruto doesn't give up, until at least Sakura acknowledges him, and his heart can be fulfilled.

Im trying to stay completely on topic. Trailing off into trival things like what your doing is what got us here in the first place. . .with people taking about the up coming years worth of manga and what not.

It's about Hinata and Sak. . .not "who do you think Naruto loves" but "which one do you think deserves his love and why" in which case my reasoning is correct.

Examply: Who do you think deserves Sas's love more? The girl who has been in love with him sence the beginning of the manga and is actively trying to save him from the road of darkness or the new one who seems to have pure lust for him and tried to rape him once (or atleast drug his team mates to get with him)?

As simple as that. . .in which case we are only looking at these 2 and not wondering off into "What if you like so-and-so more but they never gave you the time of day".

[baboysai]

I'm totally not straying off the topic. I'm simply making a point that it's not about who loves Naruto longer, which is twisted, IMO.

Like a lot of you guys say that Hinata has loved him the longest.

But Sakura's team 7, and has more experiences with Naruto, and by this time, probably knows more about how he is.

Hinata rarely even talks to Naruto. How could she know so much?

[Jehuty]

I'm totally not straying off the topic. I'm simply making a point that it's not about who loves Naruto longer, which is twisted, IMO.

Like a lot of you guys say that Hinata has loved him the longest.

But Sakura's team 7, and has more experiences with Naruto, and by this time, probably knows more about how he is.

Hinata rarely even talks to Naruto. How could she know so much?
She knows so much because she understands him. She gives him hope right before he fights Neji, completely revolutionizing his view of her. She knows the pain of being rejected, being called a failure, being alone. Sakura can never understand that.

And it's not just because Hinata's loved him longest. She's kind to him, always has been. He's never needed to prove himself to her. She's always accepted him as is. Sakura was a total bitch to Naruto in the beginning and only focused on Sasuke for the majority of the first storyline until Naruto proved himself. Even then, she focused mainly on Sasuke, while Hinata, again, accepted Naruto as is.

[kiddo7]

I'm totally not straying off the topic. I'm simply making a point that it's not about who loves Naruto longer, which is twisted, IMO.

this topic asks who deserves Naruto's love...
Which as I have already stated (somewhere in the first few pages of this thread) is in itself absurd and twisted because it does not work that way. but let us suspend disbelief for a moment and for the sake of this discussion assume that is the way it worked, that there are actually things you can do do "deserve" a persons love.

Given these circumstances, is it really all that hard to imagine that being the first and (at the time)only one to unconditionally love the person, should earn one the right to be loved in return?
The way, I see things, Sakura "deserves" Sasuke to notice her more than Ino does, Naruto "deserves" Sakura to be kind to him more than Rock Lee does, and Hinata "deserves" Naruto to love her more than Sakura does.
These, by the way, are not facts, (they can't be proven or disproven beyond the shadow of a doubt) just my opinions based on the aforementioned scenario.

Thank you for not flaming :XD

[lordHokage]

-_- I really don't like this reasoning. It's never about who loves who longer. If you were in the guys shoes do you simply love back who loves you longer? That's not always the case is it? What if you like someone better, but she just hasn't noticed you yet? That's why Naruto doesn't give up, until at least Sakura acknowledges him, and his heart can be fulfilled.

Your reasoning cut both sides. Who deservers Naruto's love is all about who truly loves Naruto the longest. Since the beginning, Hinata has proven time and time that she truly loves every good or bad things about Naruto. Therefore, Naruto doesn't have to prove himself to Sakura, he knows fully well that she's in love with someone else. :p :D

[DarkManSharingan32]

Your reasoning cut both sides. Who deservers Naruto's love is all about who truly loves Naruto the longest. Since the beginning, Hinata has proven time and time that she truly loves every good or bad things about Naruto. Therefore, Naruto doesn't have to prove himself to Sakura, he knows fully well that she's in love with someone else. :p :D

I think in the end... it's all about how NARUTO feels. What do Sakura or Hintata's feelings matter right now? It could very well end up that Hinata maked this huge confession, and gets turned down by a Naruto who hasn't even thought about her once since he went away for training.

Naruto is tied to Sakura right now...
Until we get more actual Hinata/Naruto development... i believe you guys are still just stuck with wishful thinking.

[Jehuty]

What do Sakura or Hintata's feelings matter right now?

... Because it's the topic. That's what we're discussing.

[Raimaru]

Your reasoning cut both sides. Who deservers Naruto's love is all about who truly loves Naruto the longest. Since the beginning, Hinata has proven time and time that she truly loves every good or bad things about Naruto. Therefore, Naruto doesn't have to prove himself to Sakura, he knows fully well that she's in love with someone else. :p :D
Please refrain from declaring your personal opinions as given facts. I strongly disagree with you at this one point of your quote. Since your conclusions are based on that one sentence, I disagree with them too, but at least they don't make me feel pierced by a pointy needle.
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Well at least we know who is totally clear about her feelings, not one can say that Sakura loves Naruto, but we can say that Hinata does.

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Maybe we can, but not by reading these two sources you provided us here.

To be honest, I'm (still) rather sure about Hinata loving Naruto, not judging if it is "truly" or not. This is based on my personal impression after reading almost all manga chapters and watching every anime episode. But after reading those 3 pages I started to doubt it. No joke, seriously. Just read it again for yourself. The pages describe Naruto as an idol for Hinata which barely has to do with (real) love. In my opinion, these pages blur the appearance of Hinata's connection with Naruto. You better provide us with other pages which show her feelings more clearly.

[mestizo311]

Naruto has always been about working hard to achieve your goals. If he doesn't get with Sakura after all this then who does? Hinata would be too easy. Sakura is his way of the ninja.

[Jehuty]

Naruto has always been about working hard to achieve your goals. If he doesn't get with Sakura after all this then who does? Hinata would be too easy. Sakura is his way of the ninja.
He's all about being recognized. He was best friends with Sasuke because Sasuke recognized him. Hinata's recognized him from the start.

[lordHokage]

I think in the end... it's all about how NARUTO feels. What do Sakura or Hintata's feelings matter right now? It could very well end up that Hinata maked this huge confession, and gets turned down by a Naruto who hasn't even thought about her once since he went away for training.

Naruto is tied to Sakura right now...
Until we get more actual Hinata/Naruto development... i believe you guys are still just stuck with wishful thinking.


Please refrain from declaring your personal opinions as given facts. I strongly disagree with you at this one point of your quote. Since your conclusions are based on that one sentence, I disagree with them too, but at least they don't make me feel pierced by a pointy needle.

Naruto is tied to Sakura right now is wishful thinking. Your personal opinions are your opinion and since I don't agree with your opinion, I respect your opinions. :p

[DarkManSharingan32]

Naruto is tied to Sakura right now is wishful thinking. Your personal opinions are your opinion and since I don't agree with your opinion, I respect your opinions. :p

There have been various hints at a possible relationship between Naruto and Sakura... with Yamato's quote being the chief among them.


What has EVER occured in Part I or Part II to show any kind of development like this from Hinata.

Silent gestures and fainting aside (which Naruto is far too dumb to recognize anyways)... There is nothing.

Until Hinata does more than just blush and giggle, i'll just keep thinkin somehow Naruto still has feelings for Sakura.
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... Because it's the topic. That's what we're discussing.

I thought it was Naruto's feelings that should be being discussed.... and whether or not Sakura or Hinata deserves them.

[Jehuty]

There have been various hints at a possible relationship between Naruto and Sakura... with Yamato's quote being the chief among them.


What has EVER occured in Part I or Part II to show any kind of development like this from Hinata.

Silent gestures and fainting aside (which Naruto is far too dumb to recognize anyways)... There is nothing.

Until Hinata does more than just blush and giggle, i'll just keep thinkin somehow Naruto still has feelings for Sakura.
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I thought it was Naruto's feelings that should be being discussed.... and whether or not Sakura or Hinata deserves them.
You're missing the point. Look at the title of the topic. That's what we're discussing. Hence, a topic.

[MegaX]

She knows so much because she understands him. She gives him hope right before he fights Neji, completely revolutionizing his view of her. She knows the pain of being rejected, being called a failure, being alone. Sakura can never understand that.

And it's not just because Hinata's loved him longest. She's kind to him, always has been. He's never needed to prove himself to her. She's always accepted him as is. Sakura was a total bitch to Naruto in the beginning and only focused on Sasuke for the majority of the first storyline until Naruto proved himself. Even then, she focused mainly on Sasuke, while Hinata, again, accepted Naruto as is.

She's attracted to Naruto because of how it makes her feel about herself. That is, she admires his perserverence and his attitude, but not because of him in anyway, but because she feels like she can apply it to herself to become better. Her "feelings" for Naruto are really just a dependence on his presence to supply a model of her ideal self.

She also has Naruto on a pedestal. Frankly, I don't see the grounds for a healthy relationship there.

[Jehuty]

She's attracted to Naruto because of how it makes her feel about herself. That is, she admires his perserverence and his attitude, but not because of him in anyway, but because she feels like she can apply it to herself to become better. Her "feelings" for Naruto are really just a dependence on his presence to supply a model of her ideal self.

She also has Naruto on a pedestal. Frankly, I don't see the grounds for a healthy relationship there.
Not really. She understands him quite well, evidenced by before the battle with Neji. She wants to become better to become like him, not merely to become better. He's her inspiration. But she's also seen him for years at the academy, so she must know all about how he portrays himself outwardly, but she still understands his inner self.

[MegaX]

Not really. She understands him quite well, evidenced by before the battle with Neji. She wants to become better to become like him, not merely to become better. He's her inspiration. But she's also seen him for years at the academy, so she must know all about how he portrays himself outwardly, but she still understands his inner self.

But she also spent years admiring him from a distance. It's highly unlikely that she managed to form a perfectly realistic depiction of him in her mind. That just doesn't happen when you haven't talked to them and gotten to know them on a personal level. Until she can have more than one coherent conversation with him, and has proven that she knows and accepts both his strengths and flaws (if we listened to her opinion only, he wouldn't seem to have any really), then I will never be able to see her as deserving of Naruto.

[Jehuty]

But she also spent years admiring him from a distance. It's highly unlikely that she managed to form a perfectly realistic depiction of him in her mind. That just doesn't happen when you haven't talked to them and gotten to know them on a personal level. Until she can have more than one coherent conversation with him, and has proven that she knows and accepts both his strengths and flaws (if we listened to her opinion only, he wouldn't seem to have any really), then I will never be able to see her as deserving of Naruto.
I disagree. She loves him, even knowing his flaws, even knowing that he tried and failed countless times, and that he was considered no talent, and that he wasn't good at much. She knows that his flaws lay there, but also acknowledges that that's not where his true strength is. Recall Jiraiya's words: A shinobi's true strength is determined by having the guts never to give up!

The thing about Sakura is that for the most part, she doesn't understand jack about him.

[lordHokage]

There have been various hints at a possible relationship between Naruto and Sakura... with Yamato's quote being the chief among them.


What has EVER occured in Part I or Part II to show any kind of development like this from Hinata.

Silent gestures and fainting aside (which Naruto is far too dumb to recognize anyways)... There is nothing.

Until Hinata does more than just blush and giggle, i'll just keep thinkin somehow Naruto still has feelings for Sakura.

What hint are you taking about? In all honestly, what Yamato was about to say to Sakura is based on pure speculation. Until Sakura stop punching the living daylights out of poor Naruto every time he say or do something stupid, I would continue to think that Naruto has much more true feelings for Hinata than he has for Sakura. There is absolutely nothing wrong with fainting but there is something terrible wrong with punching. :p

[ttxdragon]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with fainting but there is something terrible wrong with punching. :p

there is something wrong with fainting: it's not good for your body to crash to the ground ever so often =|

and who is to say that naruto doesn't like being punched? who knows... maybe he's a masochist!!
seeing how he likes to charge into things not caring how much he gets hurt until it's over, it isn't too far out there to say that.

and if sakura is satisfying his masochistic needs, who isn't to say that she deserves his love more for she knows his true character :p



oh, i still need to say one thing:
For this assumption i got as much proof as other people have for "naruto is falling for hinata" or "naruto will love hinata". =|


sorry, but this is getting ridiculous in here -_-


one can not deserve someones love...
rephrase the thread to "whom of the two did more for naruto" or anything else, and this thread might get answered someday, but the current topic is senseless due to the mentioned point.

[lordHokage]

there is something wrong with fainting: it's not good for your body to crash to the ground ever so often =|

and who is to say that naruto doesn't like being punched? who knows... maybe he's a masochist!!
seeing how he likes to charge into things not caring how much he gets hurt until it's over, it isn't too far out there to say that.

and if sakura is satisfying his masochistic needs, who isn't to say that she deserves his love more for she knows his true character :p


oh, i still need to say one thing:
For this assumption i got as much proof as other people have for "naruto is falling for hinata" or "naruto will love hinata". =|


sorry, but this is getting ridiculous in here -_-


one can not deserve someones love...
rephrase the thread to "whom of the two did more for naruto" or anything else, and this thread might get answered someday, but the current topic is senseless due to the mentioned point.

I have no comments but I still love you. :lovebunny

[sakura-aneki]

umm from my point of view ...and from what I SEE and understand from the anime Naruto , from the very beginning is in love with sakura ,at first its childhood play but when they grow up after the time skip you can tell by his expressions and familiarity/way in which he acts near talks to her that he has deep feelings for her. On the other hand , though I love hinata, he never even noticed her in the beginning , only at the chuunin exam did he probably pitty her for being beaten by neji.... and even now ...if he had any feelings for her besides friendship, believe me he would have noticed if she had feelings for him too. I mean think about it ... really now ...hinata's really a one way love . but that's just my opinion , if you see it differently , I'm not trying to argue

[MegaX]

I disagree. She loves him, even knowing his flaws, even knowing that he tried and failed countless times, and that he was considered no talent, and that he wasn't good at much. She knows that his flaws lay there, but also acknowledges that that's not where his true strength is. Recall Jiraiya's words: A shinobi's true strength is determined by having the guts never to give up!

I disagree. I can't think of a single time she ever truly noticed his flaws. She understands and admires his attitude of never giving up, but that's all he is to her. He's this near-godlike figure of determination. Is it any coincidence that her admiration is directed to the one person who personifies the trait she lacked and desired the most? It's almost as though Naruto is a crutch that she felt drawn to in order to substitute for her own insecurity.

She is way too dependent on him, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

The thing about Sakura is that for the most part, she doesn't understand jack about him.[/QUOTE]

Now that's just silly. She understands how dedicated he is to his dream, and even early on can't bear the thought of it getting crushed. While that doesn't show romantic feelings necessarily, it does prove that she has at least some understanding of how important his dream is to him.

She also understands how deep his brother-bond with Sasuke is to him, in the sense that she recognizes the kind of pain he is willing to put himself to save him. I think she had some idea at the hospital after the VotE, but it was made even clearer to her with his 4th-tail. The fact that she pleads with him to let her do the job instead implies that she does not only fear the danger of that form, but that he would be willing to do even worse to himself if even that wasn't enough. Which is probably a true assertion.

[Jehuty]

I disagree. I can't think of a single time she ever truly noticed his flaws. She understands and admires his attitude of never giving up, but that's all he is to her. He's this near-godlike figure of determination. Is it any coincidence that her admiration is directed to the one person who personifies the trait she lacked and desired the most? It's almost as though Naruto is a crutch that she felt drawn to in order to substitute for her own insecurity.

She is way too dependent on him, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

The thing about Sakura is that for the most part, she doesn't understand jack about him.

Now that's just silly. She understands how dedicated he is to his dream, and even early on can't bear the thought of it getting crushed. While that doesn't show romantic feelings necessarily, it does prove that she has at least some understanding of how important his dream is to him.

She also understands how deep his brother-bond with Sasuke is to him, in the sense that she recognizes the kind of pain he is willing to put himself to save him. I think she had some idea at the hospital after the VotE, but it was made even clearer to her with his 4th-tail. The fact that she pleads with him to let her do the job instead implies that she does not only fear the danger of that form, but that he would be willing to do even worse to himself if even that wasn't enough. Which is probably a true assertion.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that he's godlike to her. In her words, he's a "proud failure."

Sakura didn't accept him until, actually, Sasuke showed her that he'd progressed. Naruto... all he's wanted is to be accepted. Hinata gave him that right off the bat. She and he are kindred spirits. Sakura denied him it for a long time.

[ttxdragon]

Hinata gave him that right off the bat.

erm,
wait, something is wrong with that statement...

let's put it like this:

what does make a person more 'feeling alive'/'acknowledged in whichever way':
#1 - being 'stalked' and loved for years, while that person doesn't do anything besides being meek when you are accidentally around her. while staying at status quo.

#2 - being reminded of stupid deeds, being shown that those deeds were seen and being reprimanded for them. And steadily getting that person to get to know the real you and have them grow to like you slowly but surely, have some slowly but surely start to see the real you and accept the real you.


Well, speaking from my perspective: #2 -- for you at least get acknowledged by that person and know that you are.
speaking from how the manga displayed naruto: #2 -- for he craved attention, whether it's good or bad. Which is the reason for his pranks.



if hinata would've really understood naruto then she would not have just stood behind a tree 40meters back but tried to befriend him.

[Jehuty]

erm,
wait, something is wrong with that statement...

let's put it like this:

what does make a person more 'feeling alive'/'acknowledged in whichever way':
#1 - being 'stalked' and loved for years, while that person doesn't do anything besides being meek when you are accidentally around her. while staying at status quo.

#2 - being reminded of stupid deeds, being shown that those deeds were seen and being reprimanded for them. And steadily getting that person to get to know the real you and have them grow to like you slowly but surely, have some slowly but surely start to see the real you and accept the real you.


Well, speaking from my perspective: #2 -- for you at least get acknowledged by that person and know that you are.
speaking from how the manga displayed naruto: #2 -- for he craved attention, whether it's good or bad. Which is the reason for his pranks.



if hinata would've really understood naruto then she would not have just stood behind a tree 40meters back but tried to befriend him.
So... she's shy because of the terrible upbringing her father gave her, and that means she doesn't understand him? She pinpoints him correctly pre-Chuunin finals.

And sure, he craved that attention. That's why he thinks of Iruka of his father. "First to acknowledge me, and acknowledge me the most."

[ttxdragon]

So... she's shy because of the terrible upbringing her father gave her, and that means she doesn't understand him? She pinpoints him correctly pre-Chuunin finals.

she pinpoints him 'correctly' but she still denied him what he wanted the most for all the time.
which is a bad thing on her tab. a very bad thing. She had the idea, she had a basic understanding of his attitude, but if she really understood him, either she's just terrible in her mind or she didn't care for more than a crutch to get her own 'power to be stronger' from.
it's like "let him wither and me get stronger from him, instead of going to him and trying harder together."

if she understood him she would have known that he wouldn't reject her. no matter how shy she is/was.


And sure, he craved that attention. That's why he thinks of Iruka of his father. "First to acknowledge me, and acknowledge me the most."

well, iruka did acknowledge him as the first, yupp. but that doesn't have anything to do with naruto getting at least acknowledged in a way that showed him so he could know by sakura.

which still means sakura was the first of the two to really acknowledge him, while hinata might have a better superficial understanding of him through her 'stalking-sessions', sakura grew to know naruto just as steady as hinata. if hinata had 3-4years of stalking, sakura got to really know him and get chances to see his true self in about 9month on the genin-team and re-evaluated it over the 3years without seeing him and certainly got out of those 9 month a very different picture of naruto.


oh, as for the 'hinata was shy because of her father', then put the 'sakura was mean because of the group she was in' part too, but sakura got over her 'evilness' far faster than hinata over her 'shyness'.

[Jehuty]

she pinpoints him 'correctly' but she still denied him what he wanted the most for all the time.
which is a bad thing on her tab. a very bad thing. She had the idea, she had a basic understanding of his attitude, but if she really understood him, either she's just terrible in her mind or she didn't care for more than a crutch to get her own 'power to be stronger' from.
it's like "let him wither and me get stronger from him, instead of going to him and trying harder together."

if she understood him she would have known that he wouldn't reject her. no matter how shy she is/was.This isn't a snarky remark but an honest question: Do you know what it is to have a parent like that?




well, iruka did acknowledge him as the first, yupp. but that doesn't have anything to do with him getting at least acknowledged in a way that showed him so he could know by sakura.

which still means sakura was the first of the two to really acknowledge him, while hinata might have a better superficial understanding of him through her 'stalking-sessions', sakura grew to know naruto just as steady as hinata. if hinata had 3-4years of stalking, sakura got to really know him and get chances to see his true self in about 9month on the genin-team and re-evaluated it over the 3years without seeing him and certainly got out of those 3 month a very different picture of naruto.


oh, as for the 'hinata was shy because of her father', then put the 'sakura was mean because of the group she was in' part too, but sakura got over her 'evilness' far faster than hinata over her 'shyness'.Sakura was helped by Ino a lot, and those weren't her parents, either way... the damage done by a parent like that is unmeasurable.

[ttxdragon]

This isn't a snarky remark but an honest question: Do you know what it is to have a parent like that?


the damage done by a parent like that is unmeasurable.

i have a friend with a similar father (without a mother in the house), not the yellow of the egg, but every situation is possible to overcome. as i can assure from that friend.
(and it didn't come over as 'snarky' or anything :p rest assured ^^)


Sakura was helped by Ino a lot, and those weren't her parents, either way...

how sakura was before her sasuke-worshipping part doesn't have much to do with her treatment of naruto.
and at the point both got a team, hinata had just as many teammates and classmates and could've at least tried to talk to other people. even with her family circumstances: your own steps are the first and last and the ones on the way to overcome the hurdle.



edit:
did i even mention that circumstances, as we are discussing them now, don't have anything to do with what was done?
since the basic idea here is counting 'what one person has done for the other' and 'how long they acknowledged the other in a way that's noticeable' to say how someone "deserves"(where i still stand at the point of calling it impossible to deserve love) narutos love more than another....

[Jehuty]

i have a friend with a similar father (without a mother in the house), not the yellow of the egg, but every situation is possible to overcome. as i can assure from that friend.
(and it didn't come over as 'snarky' or anything :p rest assured ^^)I... identify with Hinata's situation. I don't want to get into the details, but... she has every reason to be how she is. It is true that it can be overcome, but only with the proper help.




how sakura was before her sasuke-worshipping part doesn't have much to do with her treatment of naruto.
and at the point both got a team, hinata had just as many teammates and classmates and could've at least tried to talk to other people. even with her family circumstances: your own steps are the first and last and the ones on the way to overcome the hurdle.
As you say, Sakura's treatment by her classmates doesn't really affect her actions with Naruto. But the damage is far less severe. She was called "ugly" and "forehead girl." "Worthless" by the man who raised you is not just painful, but it's lethal.

She couldn't overcome the hurdle. She tried, over and over, to change herself, but her father's words rang out constantly in her head. Finally, thanks to Naruto's ability to overcome failure (note, she acknowledges his numerous and frequent failures), she wanted to change herself and managed to talk to him.

This led Naruto to tell her, "I really like people like you."

[ttxdragon]

I... identify with Hinata's situation. I don't want to get into the details, but... she has every reason to be how she is. It is true that it can be overcome, but only with the proper help.

Well, I won't ask further, but for my friend it was possible to overcome it after he took the first step towards the way and consecutively further towards the finish.
let's drop this part though, as this might get personal ^^;

and i can assure you that the youth of most people isn't very rosy, but people all handle it differently ^^


As you say, Sakura's treatment by her classmates doesn't really affect her actions with Naruto. But the damage is far less severe. She was called "ugly" and "forehead girl."
wait, wrong assumption here:
I said, her pre-sasuke-worshipping doesn't affect her naruto-treatment all that much, but the hate towards the blond orange wearing ninja that got instilled into her by the people around her is affecting her treatment of naruto very much.


"Worthless" by the man who raised you is not just painful, but it's lethal.

She couldn't overcome the hurdle. She tried, over and over, to change herself, but her father's words rang out constantly in her head. Finally, thanks to Naruto's ability to overcome failure (note, she acknowledges his numerous and frequent failures), she wanted to change herself and managed to talk to him.

This led Naruto to tell her, "I really like people like you."

that was her one time of shining,
but this isn't the 'hinata overcomes her fears' but the 'who "deserves" narutos love' thread...
and while this might've been a big step for hinata, it was a small step and close to unnoticeable in the world she lived in for everybody else.
even for naruto, though it did give him some confidence back, it was something like a small talk only. I won't regard the words he said too high, since it wouldn't be regarded too high on a 'acquaintances/friends/love' scale either if sad to other people in RL.

[Jehuty]

Well, I won't ask further, but for my friend it was possible to overcome it after he took the first step towards the way and consecutively further towards the finish.
let's drop this part though, as this might get personal ^^;

and i can assure you that the youth of most people isn't very rosy, but people all handle it differently ^^


wait, wrong assumption here:
I said, her pre-sasuke-worshipping doesn't affect her naruto-treatment all that much, but the hate towards the blond orange wearing ninja that got instilled into her by the people around her is affecting her treatment of naruto very much.



that was her one time of shining,
but this isn't the 'hinata overcomes her fears' but the 'who "deserves" narutos love' thread...
and while this might've been a big step for hinata, it was a small step and close to unnoticeable in the world she lived in for everybody else.
even for naruto, though it did give him some confidence back, it was something like a small talk only. I won't regard the words he said too high, since it wouldn't be regarded too high on a 'acquaintances/friends/love' scale either if sad to other people in RL.
Sakura fell to irrational, public opinion. Naruto first thought of her as "Such a babe!" She was only nice to Naruto, only assisted in the graduation of Team 7 because Sasuke did so.

Even though I may not agree, this is still the animeverse. Without Hinata's talk, Naruto would have had no confidence, no motivation to beat Neji and regain the honor of those closest to him. Without her... I think it's safe to say it would have been much more difficult to fight Gaara, even. I think she deserves his love (if one can deserve love) if just for the reason that she is kind unconditionally to all. She does not hate. Even though Neji beat the everloving shit out of her, she still loved him as her brother, as always.

[ttxdragon]

Sakura fell to irrational, public opinion. Naruto first thought of her as "Such a babe!" She was only nice to Naruto, only assisted in the graduation of Team 7 because Sasuke did so.

erm, her handraising at the end of the first part of the chuunin exams would've gone into the complete opposite direction of sasukes wants and what sasuke would have done...
the graduation exam isn't the only part of her 'getting to know and like him more' journey. ^^

just felt like pointing out that she did not only do everything nice to him because of sasuke... ^^;



Even though I may not agree, this is still the animeverse. Without Hinata's talk, Naruto would have had no confidence, no motivation to beat Neji and regain the honor of those closest to him. Without her... I think it's safe to say it would have been much more difficult to fight Gaara, even. I think she deserves his love (if one can deserve love) if just for the reason that she is kind unconditionally to all. She does not hate. Even though Neji beat the everloving shit out of her, she still loved him as her brother, as always.

i don't want to disregard her attitude in general, nor do i want to make her seem really bad, but just want to put her 'deeds for naruto' into perspective, as people seem to regard her 'longloving' of naruto far too high.

her 'pinpoint talk' has for sure helped him regain his confidence a good bit, but we know that naruto is a fighter and we can be sure that he would've slowly but surely (through getting angry) gotten his confidence back in the fight, especially with all the fate-stuff neji talked. but i don't want to dwell on ifs, she did help him there and that's her 'shining moment'.

sakura may not love naruto for long, if she even already sees it fit to mark her feelings as love, but at least she was by his side in the few good moments and in bad times of team 7.

Just how hinatas 'pinpoint talk' peppt naruto up before the chuunin finals, sakuras 'we will go after him together'-talk was the key to naruto getting back up and going, from a far worse situation (he was broken there, as compared to the 'confidence-less' self at the chuunin exams). it set him back on track, focused him and showed him that sakura's opinion of him changed and her own opinion of herself too, due to his works.

[Jehuty]

erm, her handraising at the end of the first part of the chuunin exams would've gone into the complete opposite direction of sasukes wants and what sasuke would have done...
the graduation exam isn't the only part of her 'getting to know and like him more' journey. ^^

just felt like pointing out that she did not only do everything nice to him because of sasuke... ^^;




i don't want to disregard her attitude in general, nor do i want to make her seem really bad, but just want to put her 'deeds for naruto' into perspective, as people seem to regard her 'longloving' of naruto far too high.

her 'pinpoint talk' has for sure helped him regain his confidence a good bit, but we know that naruto is a fighter and we can be sure that he would've slowly but surely (through getting angry) gotten his confidence back in the fight, especially with all the fate-stuff neji talked. but i don't want to dwell on ifs, she did help him there and that's her 'shining moment'.

sakura may not love naruto for long, if she even already sees it fit to mark her feelings as love, but at least she was by his side in the few good moments and in bad times of team 7.

Just how hinatas 'pinpoint talk' peppt naruto up before the chuunin finals, sakuras 'we will go after him together'-talk was the key to naruto getting back up and going, from a far worse situation (he was broken there, as compared to the 'confidence-less' self at the chuunin exams). it set him back on track, focused him and showed him that sakura's opinion of him changed and her own opinion of herself too, due to his works.
I still think that Hinata, if she showed him that she never abhorred him, would instantly win him over. Her attitude, her demeanor, her eyes for him, all put her above Sakura in deserving him. She wants to deserve it... Sakura doesn't. She's still all too focused on Sasuke. She didn't tell Naruto to be careful, really, when he went on the rescue mission. She begged him to bring Sasuke back.

When he brought Tsunade to Konoha, she didn't even thank or acknowledge him. Instantly, she was at Sasuke's side, not even caring about Naruto as he stepped back and realized he had no place between them.

[ttxdragon]

I still think that Hinata, if she showed him that she never abhorred him, would instantly win him over. Her attitude, her demeanor, her eyes for him, all put her above Sakura in deserving him. She wants to deserve it... Sakura doesn't. She's still all too focused on Sasuke. She didn't tell Naruto to be careful, really, when he went on the rescue mission. She begged him to bring Sasuke back.

well, you could put it multiple ways:
#1: how you put it: she didn't care for narutos life
#2: she knows that naruto is strong and didn't think he could ever be mortally wounded like that.
#3: she is emotionally swamped at that moment with a million thoughts and wanted sasuke back for fearing his desertion and not wanting to miss a substantial part of her life, while she knew that she could trust in naruto and narutos abilities. A point of a two-edged blade of deeper acknowledgment.

the first is too drastic, even for her. and i bet she wouldn't trust only naruto to bring him back if she didn't have confidence into naruto and his abilities.
from that i would put away the second option too, since she knows full well that sasuke is strong too and if they had to fight, the result would not necessarily be good for either party.
Which leads me to believe it's number three in this case, she's confident in narutos abilities, while not wanting to lose a pillar in her life. while she craves for sasuke to come back she also starts to further see naruto. it's really a two-edged blade here. a stab in both directions from her point of view and a stab in one direction from narutos point of view.


When he brought Tsunade to Konoha, she didn't even thank or acknowledge him. Instantly, she was at Sasuke's side, not even caring about Naruto as he stepped back and realized he had no place between them.

well, that was the whole point of the 'part1 romance', imho.
naruto realizing the 'i have no part in there' part too early and sakura realizing the true naruto too late, both missing each other by a hair. in part2 it shows a steady growing closer and the effects three years of thinking about the past can have.
it doesn't depict the romance part as "hey cool, there is someone who liked me, let's jump at the opportunity" but as steady development, which is certainly a finer and better foundation.


those 3years of time skip didn't only change the age but the views on some things too, sakura is concerned for sasuke just as she's concerned for naruto -- maybe she's even more concerned for naruto nowadays. To find sasuke for naruto to be able to get free from his own chains and ghosts of the past. but this is pure speculation. since i got no further evidence for this statement as that she's really genuinely concerned for naruto and the way we see her focus being more on naruto being well than on any sasuke-thoughts. one could always argue "yeah, but she is concerned for naruto so they can bring sasuke back", but htat doesn't really give an explanation for the mutual understanding between the two plus the way she's suprised when naruto suddenly talks about sasuke as if she never thought about it. nor would feeding naruto have anything to do with the task :p


well, yeah, i'm straying from the topic again >_> sry :p

[Jehuty]

well, you could put it multiple ways:
#1: how you put it: she didn't care for narutos life
#2: she knows that naruto is strong and didn't think he could ever be mortally wounded like that.
#3: she is emotionally swamped at that moment with a million thoughts and wanted sasuke back for fearing his desertion and not wanting to miss a substantial part of her life, while she knew that she could trust in naruto and narutos abilities. A point of a two-edged blade of deeper acknowledgment.

the first is too drastic, even for her. and i bet she wouldn't trust only naruto to bring him back if she didn't have confidence into naruto and his abilities.
from that i would put away the second option too, since she knows full well that sasuke is strong too and if they had to fight, the result would not necessarily be good for either party.
Which leads me to believe it's number three in this case, she's confident in narutos abilities, while not wanting to lose a pillar in her life. while she craves for sasuke to come back she also starts to further see naruto. it's really a two-edged blade here. a stab in both directions from her point of view and a stab in one direction from narutos point of view.



well, that was the whole point of the 'part1 romance', imho.
naruto realizing the 'i have no part in there' part too early and sakura realizing the true naruto too late, both missing each other by a hair. in part2 it shows a steady growing closer and the effects three years of thinking about the past can have.
it doesn't depict the romance part as "hey cool, there is someone who liked me, let's jump at the opportunity" but as steady development, which is certainly a finer and better foundation.


those 3years of time skip didn't only change the age but the views on some things too, sakura is concerned for sasuke just as she's concerned for naruto -- maybe she's even more concerned for naruto nowadays. To find sasuke for naruto to be able to get free from his own chains and ghosts of the past. but this is pure speculation. since i got no further evidence for this statement as that she's really genuinely concerned for naruto and the way we see her focus being more on naruto being well than on any sasuke-thoughts. one could always argue "yeah, but she is concerned for naruto so they can bring sasuke back", but htat doesn't really give an explanation for the mutual understanding between the two plus the way she's suprised when naruto suddenly talks about sasuke as if she never thought about it. nor would feeding naruto have anything to do with the task :p


well, yeah, i'm straying from the topic again >_> sry :p
I'm getting exhausted, and though your posts are nice, the words are just swimming unconnected in my mind. My apologies. Shall we just agree to disagree?

[TheChosenOne]

I pick Sakura since she has made moves to learn more about Naruto, while Hinata does not step up for Naruto. She just has a crush on him, while Sakura could have something else. Sakura has realized Naruto's pain for losing Sasuke, so with that bond. I pick Sakura. :)

[Alterno]

Ahh.. I find priceless the new ending of Naruto, is pretty much like in that chapter were the narusaku moment happens, which had Hinata as cover with that priceless phrase. The same is happening now in the new ending... :D

Priceless
http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/10DKsauF7WxLGJwVKq5zaeDqLGeWy11_thumb.jpg (http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=10DKsauF7WxLGJwVKq5zaeDqLGeWy11)

[lordHokage]

To all the Naruto Sakura’s fans, do you really believe with all your heart, mind and soul that Sakura is truly over Sasuke-kun? We know Kishimoto has big plans for Sakura, what would happen if he decides to rekindle Sakura and Ino rivalry? :p

Nice picture, Alterno. :D

[samsiufan]

Hinata - She knows about Naruto's loneliness and sadness. She has always loved him despite his shortcomings and "uncoolness"....:p
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I voted Sakura, because Naruto doesn't deserve Hinata.

Nice one...:woot...wow...never saw it like that.......:D

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Hinata - She knows about Naruto's loneliness and sadness. She has always loved him despite his shortcomings and "uncoolness"....:p
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Nice one...:woot...wow...never saw it like that.......:D

its irrelevant who deserves naruto love, because at the end of the day that is not what decides what happens in the manga, for example jiraiya didnt deserve to die but he did,

[Ulgen]

I think that Hinata deserves to get Naruto because she is really loving him but Sakura isn't able to notice his feelings towards her. She will always love Sasuke so Naruto belongs to Hinata!

[kiddo7]

its irrelevant who deserves naruto love, because at the end of the day that is not what decides what happens in the manga, for example jiraiya didnt deserve to die but he did,

well it is relevant who deserves Naruto's love because that is the thread topic. it is not about what will happen or even who Naruto loves or is likely to love. Abstract, unrealistic and hypothetical as it may be, this thread is about which of these two awesome kunoichi "deserves" naruto's love.

[raptor02_2001]

i wonder Hinata will tell naruto about her crush or confesse to him?? if she do then she will have might chance with him ... she need to have backbone to tell him if she dont have it ... she dont have no chance with him...


for Sakura ,,, it is possible she like naruto ... problem .. .current manga ., Naruto dont have think to date any girl .
Sakura do care about him but love him??

i am SakuraxNaruto or HinataxNaruto huge fan ... hard to choose .. i wonder Naruto can have two girl ???

[Alterno]

i wonder Hinata will tell naruto about her crush or confesse to him??

First at all it have been established that is not a simple crush.. is love. databooks for the win!.



if she do then she will have might chance with him ... she need to have backbone to tell him if she dont have it ... she dont have no chance with him...

Totally agree.. but I think is part of her development as character. I wonder what could make Hinata to tell Naruto about her feelings and I wonder if Kishimoto is going to wait till they all grow older 18+... wasn't Goku 16 years old when he married chi chi?



for Sakura ,,, it is possible she like naruto ... problem .. .current manga ., Naruto dont have think to date any girl .
Sakura do care about him but love him??

I think that Sakura is really confused... she is developing romantic feelings for Naruto but at the same time she is willing to kill if anyone talks badly about Sasuke. So she stills in love with Sasuke and the manga have been pointing a relationship between Sakura and Sasuke from the begining.



i am SakuraxNaruto or HinataxNaruto huge fan ... hard to choose .. i wonder Naruto can have two girl ???

Well in a few decades there will be 15% more of women in relation to man. So Kishimoto should allow Naruto to stay with both and all happy except SasuSaku fans... :p

[ttxdragon]

ok, a little notice:


This is not the fanart thread.


i will personally go ahead and delete pic-spam posts in here.
we got other threads for that.
thank you.

[Jehuty]

i wonder Hinata will tell naruto about her crush or confesse to him?? if she do then she will have might chance with him ... she need to have backbone to tell him if she dont have it ... she dont have no chance with him...


for Sakura ,,, it is possible she like naruto ... problem .. .current manga ., Naruto dont have think to date any girl .
Sakura do care about him but love him??

i am SakuraxNaruto or HinataxNaruto huge fan ... hard to choose .. i wonder Naruto can have two girl ???
No, because no one, not even a kid who won the jackpot on a slot machine on his first try, is that freaking lucky.

[Ulgen]

The thing is that it is always the same between Naruto and Hinata! It is such a boring story... There must be change between them. I think at least she must have told him about her feelings... but nothing like that will be happening!

[Alterno]

The thing is that it is always the same between Naruto and Hinata! It is such a boring story... There must be change between them. I think at least she must have told him about her feelings... but nothing like that will be happening!

Probably because the envairoment|situation isn't the best... They are in their mission to get Sasuke back and trap some Akatsuki, if they can...

[raptor02_2001]

i was spammer ?? i was not that person ..

anyway to topic

i learn about it ..if Naruto want Sakura but Sakura have feel for sasuke ? Naruto want protect pericous people

did you remeber ... Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Yamoto tried find sasuke .. face to face sauske ... Sakura call "Sasuke-kun" mean she have feel for him but do care about naruto not love...

as if
Hinata confess to naruto ... then Naruto will do ?? Please dont include fanfiction ( i am huge fan of fanfiction)


(off topic )i want to know so bad!!

Team 7, Fifth hokage , Jiraya and older Ninja already knew about Naruto is Continer of Kybuui ....

Hinata,Kiba,and Shino team

Shika,Chouji, and Ino team

Neji, Lee and Tenten team

already know about naruto 's carrier of kybuui?? or it is still secret??

[Jehuty]

i was spammer ?? i was not that person ..

anyway to topic

i learn about it ..if Naruto want Sakura but Sakura have feel for sasuke ? Naruto want protect pericous people

did you remeber ... Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Yamoto tried find sasuke .. face to face sauske ... Sakura call "Sasuke-kun" mean she have feel for him but do care about naruto not love...

as if
Hinata confess to naruto ... then Naruto will do ?? Please dont include fanfiction ( i am huge fan of fanfiction)


(off topic )i want to know so bad!!

Team 7, Fifth hokage , Jiraya and older Ninja already knew about Naruto is Continer of Kybuui ....

Hinata,Kiba,and Shino team

Shika,Chouji, and Ino team

Neji, Lee and Tenten team

already know about naruto 's carrier of kybuui?? or it is still secret??
I think they do. Team Kurenai, at least, knows that Akatsuki's hunting Naruto.

[kotomer]

sakura never love naruto and she never will love him but hinata
comeplitly different she loves him but the problem is naruto dont love
her and another problem in hinata thats she was very shay person
but i'm sure she will tell him everithing about how she feels about him.

[PitchBlack857]

Naruto should get with Hinata, We all know even if she got with Naruto as Soon as Sasuke show's up, she be ready to drop them panties. She's a Sasuke fangirl,Hinata been down for Naruto even when everyone else thought he wasn't shit. My cousin asked me one time, would you rather be with a girl that you love or a girl that loves you? I had to think about it but I picked the girl that loves me because she'll always be down for me. Hinata > Sakura

[Raizen]

Yeah go hinata with naruto.
i jjust want her to gain more confidence and not be so shy, then I will like them even better

[Rahan]

Kishi just screwed up Hinata. Not only is she weak but her clan has also lost all relevance in the story, so since it's a shounen manga, there is no way she can be the main character's lover.
The Hinata -> Naruto relationship won't go further than the Lee -> Sakura relationship it mirrors (dropout popping out of the blue with a love interest for a member of Team7)

[Jammin]

I would be thrilled with romantic development of any kind for Naruto, regardless of which girl it's with. I'm optimistic about the chances of it happening too, especially considering that with Jiraiya gone their will be an emotional void that needs filling.

Currently, I say Sakura is probably more deserving with the caring, faith, and confidence she's shown toward Naruto through out part 2. However deep Hinata's caring goes she hasn't really been there supporting Naruto the way Sakura has been.

In my opinion, Hinata needs to do something besides scouting things with her eyes and develop a little. If Kishimoto turned her into Naruto's main love interest now I'm afraid she would be relegated to the role of "barely there submissive wife background character". Which would be a shame.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Kishi just screwed up Hinata. Not only is she weak but her clan has also lost all relevance in the story, so since it's a shounen manga, there is no way she can be the main character's lover.
The Hinata -> Naruto relationship won't go further than the Lee -> Sakura relationship it mirrors (dropout popping out of the blue with a love interest for a member of Team7)

i think kishi might use naruto and hinata relationship to show the history of the hyuuga clan and the byakungan.

[Black/Light]

Kishi just screwed up Hinata. Not only is she weak but her clan has also lost all relevance in the story, so since it's a shounen manga, there is no way she can be the main character's lover.
The Hinata -> Naruto relationship won't go further than the Lee -> Sakura relationship it mirrors (dropout popping out of the blue with a love interest for a member of Team7)

We actually don't know how strong Hinata is. . . she has only had one "in manga fight" and she was against the strongest non-Gaara/ Naruto person there. She was compareable to Neji in that fight at that time and I think she could have beatten any other female (and most males) there.

And I think the Hyuuga and Hinata will come into play when Naruto starts his Yin Yang training seeing as Yin Yang seems to be their trade mark and Kak openingly stated that they would hold that off for later back in Naruto's FRS training. (just have to wait for it to come. . .next year.)

Much like I think we will somehow learn more about the RNG and other un-deviloped things. Kish clearly has plains for other things to happen at other times. . . we can't expect to keep getting devilopment for everything right away.

[Jehuty]

We actually don't know how strong Hinata is. . . she has only had one "in manga fight" and she was against the strongest non-Gaara/ Naruto person there. She was compareable to Neji in that fight at that time and I think she could have beatten any other female (and most males) there.

And I think the Hyuuga and Hinata will come into play when Naruto starts his Yin Yang training seeing as Yin Yang seems to be their trade mark and Kak openingly stated that they would hold that off for later back in Naruto's FRS training. (just have to wait for it to come. . .next year.)

Much like I think we will somehow learn more about the RNG and other un-deviloped things. Kish clearly has plains for other things to happen at other times. . . we can't expect to keep getting devilopment for everything right away.
Hinata's considered weak because of her fight with Neji... but really, the Juuken is the strongest martial art style in Konoha, so she's gotta be pretty tough. After all, Naruto looks weak because he was unable to keep up with Sasuke at some point or another, but we know he's strong as hell. I have faith in Hinata, despite her apparent... lack of assistance, let's say.

[bean]

Hinata's considered weak because of her fight with Neji... but really, the Juuken is the strongest martial art style in Konoha, so she's gotta be pretty tough. After all, Naruto looks weak because he was unable to keep up with Sasuke at some point or another, but we know he's strong as hell. I have faith in Hinata, despite her apparent... lack of assistance, let's say.


plus she has big jugs, and if naruto hung out with jiraiya enough, some of that perviness should have rubbed off...so obviously naruto is going to fall for her.

[Stinko]

As far as evidence goes for pairings, it seems like Naruto and Sasuke win it hands down. I’ve always felt that Naruto harbors repressed desires for Sasuke, he’s unnaturally obsessed with him, even more than Sakura, and she’s the one with the crush on him!

Anyway, I guess I’ve always liked the Naruto/Hinata pairing just because I like how she’s always believed in him from the beginning, and I like pairings with characters that have such polar opposite personalities. But lately the Manga seems to be leaning towards Sakura. I remember one moment in the Manga where Yamato nearly tells her that she loves Naruto. So I dunno, it’s a tough call.

[kotomer]

but jiraya is dead.
and no one can teach naruto about girls

[Rahan]

i think kishi might use naruto and hinata relationship to show the history of the hyuuga clan and the byakungan.

But I don't think the history of Hyuuga and Byakugan matters anymore, unless the Byakugan, as a very old kekkei genkai played a role against / with the sage of the 6 paths (and will be brought in against Pein either to fight or to give Naruto a working strategy) or the Hyuuga had a role Madara has yet to explain in the fundation of Konoha and Madara's demise.
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but jiraya is dead.
and no one can teach naruto about girls

well, his friends can teach him about yaoi, so it's alright.

[kkck]

I dont think jiraiya is the apropiate person to teach anyone or anything about girls, just look at him. I chose sakura because she at least has shown she has changed since part one, but hinata is pretty much the same little girl, with a wider byakugan range.

[_Tsunayoshi_]

Going with Sakura. After all, she's the girl who Naruto's always liked and there have been numerous hints dropped that Sakura has also developed actual feelings for Naruto.

On the other hand, with Hinata, it's always the same old stuff, despite the chances Kishimoto has given her to show she's changed. Plus, that relationship would be more boring than a NaruSaku one... It would just be Naruto saying something, and then Hinata going along with it. It has no spice to it. NaruSaku on the other hand... is much more interesting, because Sakura has her own interests and characters and wouldn't just mindlessly go with whatever Naruto says, just because of their relationship.

Now, Kishimoto may surprise me and actually do something that would make NaruHina interesting/appealing to me. But for now, I'm sticking with NaruSaku.

[kotomer]

well, his friends can teach him about yaoi, so it's alright.

his friend cant teach him, about girls becouse they steal kids he need someone older.

[Rahan]

his friend cant teach him, about girls becouse they steal kids he need someone older.

Naruto's friends sell kids ?
I was referring to Konohamaru who obviously knows everything about Yaoi.

[Black/Light]

But I don't think the history of Hyuuga and Byakugan matters anymore, unless the Byakugan, as a very old kekkei genkai played a role against / with the sage of the 6 paths (and will be brought in against Pein either to fight or to give Naruto a working strategy) or the Hyuuga had a role Madara has yet to explain in the fundation of Konoha and Madara's demise.
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I think your abit too short sighted here. Everything from here on out doesn't have to revolve around MD, the leaf's making or Pain's history.

Just like with Naruto's mother's clan's past/ Naruto's mother I think the Hyuuga will get some devilopment at some point. . . mainly when he has to learn about Yin Yang chakra.

[_Tsunayoshi_]

I think your abit too short sighted here. Everything from here on out doesn't have to revolve around MD, the leaf's making or Pain's history.

Just like with Naruto's mother's clan's past/ Naruto's mother I think the Hyuuga will get some devilopment at some point. . . mainly when he has to learn about Yin Yang chakra.
Perhaps... But that doesn't require Hinata. Kishimoto could just as easily use Neji or Hinata's dad for that purpose, if it does come up.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Perhaps... But that doesn't require Hinata. Kishimoto could just as easily use Neji or Hinata's dad for that purpose, if it does come up.

if he is going to do that i hope he use neji. I wish kishi will show more of Neji and Rock lee.

personally i think he isn't showing them because if he does he would have to show that worthless girl on there team...forgot her frecking name.
oh yeah Tenten.

[Raizen]

I think hinata will become quite strong. She just have to be confident.

Really this is a wild card for me, it really doesn't matter who he ends up with , just not sasuke :) lol

[lordHokage]

I don't think Naruto would end up with Sasuke, he is not his type. After watching the most recent Naruto Shippuden episode, my money is on Hinata all the way. :p

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Lolz, is this thread still going, well you know my view on this topic is anyway.

Hinata is just a side character.

[kotomer]

yamato want to tell sakura that she love naruto but naruto wake up at that time but i know in the end naruto and hinata wiil be together and sakura
be jealous.

[Naruto4life]

I go for hinata.Hinata deserves naruto's love more than sakura,hinata has treated naruto nice since day 1 but sakura has treated naruto like garbage since day 1.All sakura does is think about sasuke,Do you remember the episode when naruto brang tsunade to the village to help sasuke,lee,and kakashi.Instead of saying thank you to naruto she goes hugs sasuke,she could care less of what naruto when through(HE ALMOST DIED) all she care's about is sasuke no one else.The only thing sakura deserves is to die.

[Jehuty]

Lolz, is this thread still going, well you know my view on this topic is anyway.

Hinata is just a side character.
Uhuhuhuuuunfortunately, that is so.

Kishimoto's just a jerk. "Why did you put Hinata in the story?" asks Shonen Jump. "Why do you think I put her there?" Kishi replies.

I'll tell you why. TO TOY WITH OUR EMOTIONS, YOU JERK.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

i still can't believe so much people like hinata. Until she prove herself she is a worthless character to me. Also i don't even think she will be able to prove herself further on in the story. i taught she was going to prove herself when she was put in konoha team who were suppose to kidnap itachi but it doesn't seem like kishi is that interested in her.
If you ask me i think Hinata and Kiba will end up been couple and Naruto and Sakura end up been couple.

[Naruto4life]

Hinata has done so much for naruto but sakura has not done anything for naruto.If naruto died in front of her sakura's face she would'nt care,all she cares about is sasuke,that will never change.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Hinata has done so much for naruto but sakura has not done anything for naruto.If naruto died in front of her sakura's face she would'nt care,all she cares about is sasuke,that will never change.

what are you talking about? hinata has done partically nothing for naruto, sakura have done way more thing for naruto than hinata can dream of during.
As we have seen in part 2 sakura actually have feeling for naruto.

[nat]

i still can't believe so much people like hinata. Until she prove herself she is a worthless character to me. Also i don't even think she will be able to prove herself further on in the story. i taught she was going to prove herself when she was put in konoha team who were suppose to kidnap itachi but it doesn't seem like kishi is that interested in her.
If you ask me i think Hinata and Kiba will end up been couple and Naruto and Sakura end up been couple.

Amen! you took the words out of my mouth.

While Hinata is not such a bad character but I think she is overrated. Don't get me wrong, in the first part she had one of the coolest fights but it didn't last long, nor did she do anything that was relevent to the story after the chunnin exams ended.
She comes back in part two, she continues to do little by stating the obvious,

1)Kabuto being one third posessed, which was visible to the naked eye.
2)confirming where Madara was, err, you get my point.

Everybody keeps saying how kind she was towards Naruto, but they had barely spoken two sentences to each other. Meanwhile, Sakura has been near Naruto almost 24/7 in the second part. And the Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke relationship as friends/family is extremely relevent to the development of their personalities and to some future storyline, i think. But for now a romantic interest is not even on the radar for Kishimoto.

Another thing, for Naruto to choose her she has to offer something he needs emotionally. He is going through hell, and it will get worse in the near future (news of J-man's death, Sasuke possibly joining Akatsuki).
And the general impression of her, is someone meek, who has no will/backbone of her own, so unless she changes 180 degrees and becomes super strong emtionally she won't be able to add anything or improve Naruto.

He will need steady people to give him strength in days to come and to put him in the right direction. The only way he might see her (and ignore Sasuke) is if she hurts herself badly for his safety, sacrifice. And that would be the typical romantic drama.

My vote goes to Naruto/Sakura, for the reasons mentioned above.
(I am a team 7 fan:D)

[Naruto4life]

Yamato might of said that she had fellings for naruto but sakura did'nt agree or comfirmed anything about having feelings for naruto.There relationship in part 2 is just about friends caring for each other,nothing deeper than that.Even sakura said that she only does the little(stupid) things for naruto,all she does is cry and punch naruto,how is that helping naruto.If sakura had a one on one conversation with sasuke she will probably say that she still loves him and that she doesn't care for naruto.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Yamato might of said that she had fellings for naruto but sakura did'nt agree or comfirmed anything about having feelings for naruto.There relationship in part 2 is just about friends caring for each other,nothing deeper than that.Even sakura said that she only does the little(stupid) things for naruto,all she does is cry and punch naruto,how is that helping naruto.If sakura had a one on one conversation with sasuke she will probably say that she still loves him and that she doesn't care for naruto.

sakura didn't deny that she have no feeling for naruto and as probably everybody know in a situation like that if you don't deny it you probably do. sakura have more feeling for naruto in one finger than naruto have for hinata in his entire body.

[Black/Light]

Sakura could kiss, date, sleep with and eat ramon off of Naruto's man hood. . . we all know that no matter what they do she will still drop them panties for Sas once he comes back. He is, after all, the only one of the 2 that she openly confirms that she loves, asking Naruto to bring him back because of this love and that HAS to hurt Naruto when you think about it.

Really, the only time I can see us really being able to tell how she feels is once Sas comes back. . . IMO it's no more different than when Hinata and Naruto finnaly have time to talk/ Hinata gets some focus with Naruto.

At the end they are both side characters to Naruto in my eyes. . .ones just uber annoying, in his team and is . . . pink.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Sakura could kiss, date, sleep with and eat ramon off of Naruto's man hood. . . we all know that no matter what they do she will still drop them panties for Sas once he comes back. He is, after all, the only one of the 2 that she openly confirms that she loves, asking Naruto to bring him back because of this love and that HAS to hurt Naruto when you think about it.

Really, the only time I can see us really being able to tell how she feels is once Sas comes back. . . IMO it's no more different than when Hinata and Naruto finnaly have time to talk/ Hinata gets some focus with Naruto.

At the end they are both side characters to Naruto in my eyes. . .ones just uber annoying, in his team and is . . . pink.

and the other is not only annoying, she freckly, worthless, and faint everytime he get closer to her, and wear that ulgy clothing. Naruto is way better of with the pinkish girl who is in his team.

[Naruto4life]

Sakura is the annoying one not hinata.How can you say hinata is worthless,in part 1 every mission they had together hinata did something useful to help complete the mission.Sakura is the one who is worthless,why do you think she went to tsunade to train?I tell you why because she wanted to become more helpful,and she also did it for sasuke.Even in part 2,what did she do when she saw sasuke? She just stared at him all day while everyone else was fighting.At least hinata helped a little in the tobi fight,what did sakura do?Oh yeah I forgot NOTHING!

[Jammin]

The conversation is getting a little harsh towards Hinata. I perfer Sakura, as I've said before, but to say Hinata is worthless is going to far. We haven't really seen what she was capable of since her fight with Nenji so who could possibly know how strong or weak she is. Remember that you could be talking about someones favorite character here, so please go easy on the insults. They will not help the quality of the thread.

The reason i think Sakura deserves Naruto's affections more is due to how Sakura has been there for Naruto. However she might feel Hinata just hasn't been there and Sakura has.


Sakura is the annoying one not hinata.How can you say hinata is worthless,in part 1 every mission they had together hinata did something useful to help complete the mission.Sakura is the one who is worthless,why do you think she went to tsunade to train?I tell you why because she wanted to become more helpful,and she also did it for sasuke.Even in part 2,what did she do when she saw sasuke? She just stared at him all day while everyone else was fighting.At least hinata helped a little in the tobi fight,what did sakura do?Oh yeah I forgot NOTHING!If I'm not mistaken, Hinata was never on a mission with Naruto until just recently in part two. I think you are confusing the anime and the manga. Her only fight in the manga, that i can remember at least, was with Nenji. Sadly in terms of manga screen time she is slightly behind Shino, which i think is a real shame.

[_Tsunayoshi_]

Sakura is the annoying one not hinata.How can you say hinata is worthless,in part 1 every mission they had together hinata did something useful to help complete the mission.Sakura is the one who is worthless,why do you think she went to tsunade to train?I tell you why because she wanted to become more helpful,and she also did it for sasuke.Even in part 2,what did she do when she saw sasuke? She just stared at him all day while everyone else was fighting.At least hinata helped a little in the tobi fight,what did sakura do?Oh yeah I forgot NOTHING!
What? Did you forget about KN4? Sakura offered to get Sasuke back all by herself to get Naruto to turn back; that's a whole lot more than anything Hinata's ever done for him.

And against Tobi? The same fight where she had to be reminded by Sakura to keep her eyes on Tobi and not be distracted, a very basic thing? Sakura might not have done anything, but that was only because the group was too large. Kakashi and Sai also pretty much did nothing during the fight too. There was simply too many people there for Kishimoto to give a role to all of them. It was also due to the fact that Sakura is not a rash idiot. She saw that Tobi had a phasing power, so she wouldn't be able to harm him. That's the same reason why nobody else bothered to physically engage him: becasue it would have been pointless. She, and the others had to wait for feedback from Shino before they would know how to proceed, if they could at all. So, it's not that Sakura was "just standing there,", but rather that there wasn't much anyone there could actually do against Madara's technique.

And all Hinata has done in her fights is pretty much just use her Byakugan. Sakura, has, in Part 2, gotten Naruto out of the clone-Itachi's genjutsu, defeated Sasori along with Chiyo, and attempted to help Naruto with KN4. She then attempted to feed him ramen after he was injured from using FRS. That's a whole lot more than Hinata has done in Part 2. Now, Hinata may end up doing some of this stuff later. I can't say anything about that. But for now, Sakura had done much more in Part 2, both in terms of her role in the manga and what she's done for Naruto.

As for Sasuke.. Sakura really wasn't starting at him that much when he appeared. Her turning her head was just shown in slow motion, over the course of several pannels, to build up dramatic dension for who had appeared (this was Sasuke's reappearance in Part 2; it was a big deal and doing it that way made sense). Her surprise only really lasted a moment and then she was willing to punch the shit out of him to bring him back (she just got hit by Chidori Nagashi the first time and then was blocked by Yamato the second.) She certainly attempted to help out there; it was just that Sasuke was too strong.

[kotomer]

What? Did you forget about KN4? Sakura offered to get Sasuke back all by herself to get Naruto to turn back; that's a whole lot more than anything Hinata's ever done for him.

And against Tobi? The same fight where she had to be reminded by Sakura to keep her eyes on Tobi and not be distracted, a very basic thing? Sakura might not have done anything, but that was only because the group was too large. Kakashi and Sai also pretty much did nothing during the fight too. There was simply too many people there for Kishimoto to give a role to all of them. It was also due to the fact that Sakura is not a rash idiot. She saw that Tobi had a phasing power, so she wouldn't be able to harm him. That's the same reason why nobody else bothered to physically engage him: becasue it would have been pointless. She, and the others had to wait for feedback from Shino before they would know how to proceed, if they could at all. So, it's not that Sakura was "just standing there,", but rather that there wasn't much anyone there could actually do against Madara's technique.

And all Hinata has done in her fights is pretty much just use her Byakugan. Sakura, has, in Part 2, gotten Naruto out of the clone-Itachi's genjutsu, defeated Sasori along with Chiyo, and attempted to help Naruto with KN4. She then attempted to feed him ramen after he was injured from using FRS. That's a whole lot more than Hinata has done in Part 2. Now, Hinata may end up doing some of this stuff later. I can't say anything about that. But for now, Sakura had done much more in Part 2, both in terms of her role in the manga and what she's done for Naruto.

As for Sasuke.. Sakura really wasn't starting at him that much when he appeared. Her turning her head was just shown in slow motion, over the course of several pannels, to build up dramatic dension for who had appeared (this was Sasuke's reappearance in Part 2; it was a big deal and doing it that way made sense). Her surprise only really lasted a moment and then she was willing to punch the shit out of him to bring him back (she just got hit by Chidori Nagashi the first time and then was blocked by Yamato the second.) She certainly attempted to help out there; it was just that Sasuke was too strong.

you not understand sakura didnt want to feed naruto she just kidding. for sasuke she do everithing but for naruto..............nothing.

[_Tsunayoshi_]

you not understand sakura didnt want to feed naruto she just kidding.
Um... No. She really did have the intention of feeding Naruto. Sai was the one who turned it into a comic relief moment. But Sakura herself reallly didn't mind feeding Naruto for the moment and definitely wasn't joking about it. Or at least, from what we actually know and what isn't just speculation, she didn't seem to be kidding at all.


for sasuke she do everithing but for naruto..............nothing.
Really? What about how she went to train with Tsunade, so that she could help Naruto get Sasuke back and not just be deadweight? Or how she offered to get him back all by herself when Naruto was in the KN4 state? Seems like she's pretty willing to do stuff for Naruto to me, if the need arises.

[aight1]

To me, it’s all but a question of SasuSaku versus NaruSaku. I have disregarded NaruHina ever since Part 2. Firstly, they’ve barely interacted for more than thirty minutes of their lifetime. Yes, I’m sure of that. When Hinata was first introduced, Naruto called her a “dark-haired weirdo who always seemed to be looking at [him].” So they’ve probably never talked. They did talk once before Naruto fought Neji. That’s it. After that, there was a series of arcs. Before Naruto left, they didn’t talk either. Hinata fainted before she could talk to him. Even in post-time skip, there was nothing except for Hinata fainting again. So no, Naruto will not “realize that he’s been in love with Hinata all along” because there is no “all along”. I don’t know about you, but I think that a relationship should be based on more than thirty minutes of interaction.

People think that Hinata has this big impact on Naruto’s life just because she was one of the first to acknowledge him. I for one believe that she didn’t give Naruto “true” acknowledgement, but rather, she admired him because she was able to relate to his being an underdog. This is why she never helped Naruto when he was down. She admired him because he could get back up on his own. Hinata wasn’t Naruto’s first “true” acknowledgement. Team 7 was. They were the first ones who openly acknowledged his existence. And that’s what truly mattered to him.

Hinata and Naruto don’t share the same pain either. Those two were both insulted for being losers, yes. It enrages Naruto – he works for recognition, too. But it wasn’t his most fundamental pain. Loneliness is his true pain. The pain of having nothing. He showed it to Gaara as he was crawling towards him on his chin in order to protect the people who saved him from the pain of loneliness (Iruka and Team 7).

The only two pains Hinata used to share with Naruto back then are gone now. The pain of being a loser and the pain of not being acknowledged. Is Naruto still a loser? Well, to Sasuke, maybe, but to everyone else? Nah, he even brags about maybe being stronger than Kakashi and Iruka this time. Does Naruto still need to be acknowledged? Hell no. He even felt sorry for Gaara because he had so many people who cared about him while Gaara didn’t.

Naruto’s new pains are the pain of losing Sasuke and the pain of being a Jinchuuriki. Hinata has never even mentioned anything about Sasuke and even less about the Kyuubi. Basically, Hinata lost her relevance to Naruto’s life. Everything she “could be” for Naruto, Sakura already is. She is just like Inari, Zabuza, Neji, Gaara, and Tsunade: people who were redeemed but aren’t main characters.

Wait a minute, so what was the point of her crush on Naruto? Just like Neji and Gaara’s admiration to Naruto. Just like Inari and Zabuza and just about everyone else that gets redeemed. Her admiration to Naruto (vowing to do her best, too) has caused her to fight against Neji and to believe in herself. Her theme was to show the readers that if you believe in yourself, you can be strong and become a whole new person. She has her own life and her own background story. Getting Naruto’s heart isn’t even one of her goals. She wants to get acknowledgement from the Hyuugas. She has been redeemed because of her admiration on Naruto; therefore, her crush isn’t really pointless even if she doesn’t end up with Naruto.

- Their relationship

No, their relationship doesn’t make me want to have them end up together, either. Where’s the fun in there? It’s so calm. It’s so comfortable. The only thing that the people are looking for is the blushing and the amorousness. Nope, sorry, not interested. Go watch a shoujo anime or something. You’ll get what you want. Of course, you can like it for the sweetness, but shounen mangas don’t usually center on sweetness and romance. That’s why most of the shounen couples are paired up for comic relief and such. So if Kishimoto wants the series to continue to the children, he has to at least be able to make the couples either “entertaining” or “cool”.

Wait, no, scratch that. I’ve just thought of a way to make NaruHina funny.

Hinata: I believe in you, Naruto!

Naruto: Oh, sure you do, Hinata. By the way, did you know that Sasuke beat me twice and he’s willing to let Orochimaru take over his body?

Hinata: Really? Well... I still believe in you!

Naruto: And did I ever tell you that the Akatsuki are after me and my demon?

Hinata: :wtf I still believe in you, Naruto!

Naruto: Thanks, Hinata. I feel much better already. *goes off to rescue Sasuke and dies*

Isn’t that funny?






Now SasuxSaku


There’s still hope, I know. Sakura’s feelings are still undefined, and that is where all hopes of SasuSaku are pinned. With Sasuke making an attempt to kill Sakura in Chapter 308, taking away Sakura’s love for him would kill SasuSaku.

But I think that’s the only leg to stand on, really. Feelings which are undefined. Does Sakura still have romantic feelings for Sasuke even after 2 and half years without interaction? Or will those feelings completely diminish? In my opinion, it’s entirely possible that her romantic feelings for him have long gone. She now views Naruto and Sasuke as equals. She doesn’t really go “I’ll save Sasuke” anymore. It’s now, “This time, I’ll save you both”. Then we have this whole Chapter 297 thing. I’m not saying that her feelings really are long gone, but it’s possible.

- Their relationship

I think that a relationship with these two would also bore me. Here, we have a renowned cool guy, and on the other hand, we have a fiery, wild girl. Sasuke lacks this ability to be someone... silly. It would make him look rather odd. He’d hold Sakura back from ever being funny. Besides, Naruto already has that “silly guy” role.

Whenever Sasuke was around Sakura we always see Inner Sakura appear. She can’t act herself whenever Sasuke is around, because she always wants to impress him, which is precisely what degrades Sakura into an annoying Sasuke fangirl. We always see the worst of Sakura when she’s around Sasuke, but when she’s around Naruto, she seems to want to try her best to be strong. And it is precisely because of Naruto that Sakura became an awesome medic nin who could surpass Tsunade one day. Sasuke is like the winter that makes the flower shrivel up while Naruto is like spring which makes the flower bloom.

One last thing I hate about SasuSaku is the angst. I believe that angst isn’t love. Angst is depressing, cold, and self-centered. It fits better in a soap opera where nobody is happy.



i'll write about NaruSaku Later on dont have time now too much things to say >.>


i know Its Who deserve Naruto loves but for me it look more a NaruSaku Naruhina SasuSaku debate thread

[Black/Light]

and the other is not only annoying, she freckly, worthless, and faint everytime he get closer to her, and wear that ulgy clothing. Naruto is way better of with the pinkish girl who is in his team.

. . .Hinata CAN'T actually be annoying in general seeing as she is not in the mange enuff to draw much attention. Neji fight and Naruto opening up to her well she gave the "proud failer" speech where all she really did in part one. In part 2 she has helped them scout and she fond MD in a matter of seconds after he pulled that Space-time crap.

In fate, basicly every big thing in the mange that she has done has either helped Naruto's character (Neji fight ended in Naruto making a vow on her blood / Neji-Naru fight ended in Naruto vowing to change the ways of their clan and her peep talk was the first time Naruto confessed his insecurities to anyone) him in some way or in general help with gaining info (Like Kub's body being taken over by Oro).

The rest is your opinions.
[hr]
I really like Frankie's post but it's hella long so Im S-tagging it. Read it if you like, I think it's a great research post with the most qoutes and sorces for NarutoxHinata on this thread. BERY good read.


Before I begin, I would like to thank you for your generous comment.

Now to to answer your question, allow me to rephrase it - The pairing may very well end with a romantic relationship between the two because Naruto has hinted a strong desire to have a family. Naruto does consider Team 7 + additional comrades his family, but I would be referring to something even more personal than that. We even see a demonstration of such a yearning here (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume17.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=33130).

Hinata is not a main character, and this is a shounen series. Anything considered "romance" will not be the focal point of the series. Development towards the pairing will not be as emphasized and have as much interaction for a pairing involving two main characters. Even without what has been shown in the manga, outside sources do suggest and support the NaruHina pairing.

Before I get to outside sources, I'd like to demonstrate that Naruto has taken an interest in people outside of Sakura, more than once actually:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/NH%20vs%20SS/Naruto_v03_ch21_12.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/NH%20vs%20SS/P.jpg



Chapter Covers

I'm not a believer in the “Covers don't mean anything” theory. Kishimoto is the one writing the manga, drawing the covers, and writing the side text.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/NH%20vs%20SS/Cover%20Chapters/naruto_ch209_p01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/NH%20vs%20SS/Cover%20Chapters/01fv2bu7.jpg

Example One: I don't think it's sheer coincidence this chapter cover came right after the one with Sakura. Sakura's 208 cover (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/NH%20vs%20SS/Cover%20Chapters/naruto_ch208_p01special.jpg) had reference to Sasuke and how he is "far away". Obviously, the Hinata cover is referring to Naruto, and how he is also "far away" from her, which is not surprising because Naruto went on a three year journey with Jiraiya during the timeskip. And of course, the reference to the weather.

Example Two: The "golden light" may very well be an indirect reference to Naruto. After all, he is her guide because he is the one who is helping her change. I would also like to add how Chapter 297 parallels the cover for chapter 247 (http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3688/01un1.jpg). Both Hinata and Naruto staring up at the sky in the same exact manner.

The similarities just don't end there though. Consider the following image.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/01.jpg

"Hey! Over here!" Naruto meets with someone close to him... Is he smiling at a friend? A date? Who could it be?"

Bolded parts int he may be in for a date, or that the person is/will become close to him.

We've also seen Naruto wave and smile in such a manner in one of the filler episodes, episode 176 to be precise. You can view an image here (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/EnigmaJunk/Naruto/371to176wave.jpg). Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. But think about it. Do coincidences such as the one above occur in the manga? I don't recall any.


Databooks

Getting back to business now...The databooks support the pairing. You can find a scanslation for the first databook here (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1456/113114km7na2.jpg). The word koimonogatari is used. In English, it literally means "love story". Furthermore, the phrase "Hesitant, up and down love story" is used as you can see in the scanslation link I provided. More to come from the scanslation:

- "Even though she likes [suki*] Naruto, Hinata can't seem to make any progress."
- "However, sometimes it can be seen that in her own way she musters up the courage for an 'attack'. That's because it is her nindou."
- "The reason is clear why Hinata would fall in love with poor student Naruto. It's because she wants to become like him.(...)"
- "(...)she doesn't lose her kindness because of Naruto's existence in her mind."
- "The reserved and shy Hinata. She freezes and can't do anything in front of the one she likes, Naruto."
- "She's always thinking of how she wants to change that part of herself."

We can conclude Hinata has the desire to change herself not only for herself, but to face Naruto and no longer stutter around him; she attempts to "muster" an "attack"; and, it is confirmed Hinata holds romantic feelings towards Naruto, and the reason why is obvious. I'd also like to note that "suki" means liking, fondness, love. I would also like to add that the phrase "koi wo suru" (fell in love) points out the obvious reason she would fall for him.

The second databook further adds support for the pairing; you can find a scanslation for the second databook here (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=db2141hinataeagle1xu.jpg). Key phrases:

- "She wishes that she could move even one step closer towards the back of Naruto."
- "The one she yearns for..."
- "Hinata, always feeling the same towards Naruto."
- "Will the day come when she can face him directly?" (Rhetorical question?)

A confession has been implied in both databooks, and chapter 282. Hinata's theme is to change herself, and one of her “tests” might be to face Naruto directly. Hinata would confess because she lacks self-confidence around Naruto because of her romantic feelings for him. Her theme demands that she will believe in herself by the end of the manga. She wants to change that part of herself. One way to do so is to get over your feelings, or to face them directly. Judging by 282 and current chapters, it's obvious that she still has those feelings and her theme is yet to be complete.



Interview Questions

Not only can an individual find support in the databooks, but also find support in interview questions:

SJ: What is the theme for part 2?

Kishimoto: I want to continue "People accepting other people" theme. I also want to put in romance that I wasn't able to in part 1. It seems difficult though. *laughs*

NaruHina is all about acceptance. Both Naruto and Hinata share the desire to be acknowledged. Naruto becomes accepted by the Hyuuga Clan? Hinata being romantically accepted by Naruto?

SJ: What will happen in the love lives of Ino, Sakura, and Hinata?

Kishimoto: I hope something happens! Haha!

Hinata is included. I'll admit Kishimoto was simply joking around, or "nope" would be his answer. Still, this is a good sign.

SJ: There are several cases of unrequited love in Naruto. I mean, Naruto, Sakura, Ino, Hinata, and Rock Lee are in what any of them ever have their love return?

K: Ah. Well, perhaps. You're right, there are lots of cases. I'd never really thought about it until now, but they do make sympathize more with the characters. Maybe at least one case will be requited. I would just have to figure out to go about it.

SJ: We're hoping Hinata gets her chance.

K: Me, too.

For each unrequited love:

Saku->Sasu: Sakura's confession, emphasized repeatedly throughout part I, etc etc.
Naru->Saku: Accepted Sakura's feelings for Sasuke at hospitial scene and promise of a lifetime, hardly takes his date requests seriously anymore, etc etc.
Ino->Sasu: Meant to fuel the Saku/Ino rivalry, moved on to Sai apparently.
Lee->Saku: Does Lee still like Sakura? Never meant to be taken seriously anyway.
Hina->Naru: We know how Hinata's feelings were developed. Her feelings are present post-skip.

Remember the theme of part II: People accepting other people. This means not rejecting them.



Anime Fillers

More NaruHina scenes exist in fillers than any other pairing. Also, note that Hinata was introduced in Episode One of the anime [as the shy girl who has a crush on the hero], when she didn't appear until the chuunin exams in the manga. Scenes such as Hinata at the waterfall were witnessed by Naruto and Hinata's jutsu was witnessed by Naruto as well.

There's even an interview question which pertains to fillers:

Q: As you draw the manga, are you influenced at all by the anime version of Naruto?
A: Absolutely, very much.

Q: Do you watch the anime every week without missing an episode?
A: Of course!

NaruHina fillers exist for episodes 148-151, 159-160, 175-176, 185, 187-191, 194, and 197-201. Quite a lot. o_O



Sketches

Yes, evidence even exists in the sketches Kishi and crew have made.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/NH%20vs%20SS/example01zy3.jpg

Obviously, it's a rough draft of Hinata, the first one he gave to his editors. As Hinata is the center of the drawing, we see Naruto in the background looking towards the Sun (Hyuuga = Towards the sun). Furthermore, the Sun and the pendant hanging on Hinata's necklace have the same spiral design Naruto has on his back. I don't find it farfetch'd in thinking that Kishimoto had them bonded to each other possibly before the manga even started.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/yami_serge/Naruto/NH%20vs%20SS/kishi4th2fp0.jpg

Located in volume twenty, you see Hinata and you see her pointing to Naruto's bubble. Sometimes for the manga's anniversary, Kishi allows each of his staff to draw something to be shown in certain volumes. The fact that Kishi had allowed this, however, to be posted makes the mind ponder that what was posted must tell us something.


There's more examples I could dig up, but it's not just the manga itself where support stemming for NaruHina exists. You find it all over the place in interviews, databooks, cover chapters, etc etc.



Looking forward to it. :D

[Naruto4life]

Narusaku
Naruto:Hi sakura.
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:Why do you look so depressed?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:whatever,you want to go out to see a movie?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto: Are you even listening to me?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:Forget you,I'm breaking up with you and going to someone who actually cares about me like Hinata.(leaves)
Sakura: (still thinking about sasuke)
This is why I don't want naruto and sakura to hook up.Sakura would only care for sasuke and no one else.

[aight1]

Why, exactly, am I a NaruSaku fan? Because I believe that this pairing has undergone the most subtle and constant development throughout the series. It makes an excellent story.

At first it was just Naruto’s crush on Sakura, a girl who didn’t care about him in the least, and maybe even hated him. Sakura kept putting Naruto down and pining for Sasuke instead. Her opinion on Naruto was that he was a guy who didn’t understand her at all, and was just annoying. Although she hated him, we see in Episode 3 that Naruto is almost perfectly fit to be Sakura’s “dream Sasuke”, when he Henge-ed into Sasuke to get closer to Sakura. Sakura wanted Sasuke to complement her about her forehead, and Naruto-as-Sasuke did so in the exact words she wanted it. “You sure have a large, charming forehead. Makes me want to kiss it...”

At the same time, this is the scene wherein Naruto realized just why he liked Sakura so much. When Sakura uttered the words “All I want... is for you to acknowledge me,” he saw kindred spirits in them. They were two people who would do everything in their power for acknowledgement. Sakura, on the other hand, saw warmth in Sasuke because...he was actually Naruto. In a way, she fell deeper for Sasuke because of Naruto. Later on, the real Sasuke appeared and, much like Sakura to Naruto, insulted her and made her shrivel up. To me, this symbolizes why I am against SasuSaku. I already gave my judgement bout SasuSaku on my previous post

While Sakura hated Naruto in the beginning, there had been a lot of instances wherein she was starting to care for Naruto a lot.

When Kakashi got trapped in Zabuza’s water bubble and Naruto and Sasuke were the only ones left to rescue their teacher, Zabuza removed Naruto’s forehead protector. When Naruto got it back, Sakura was blushing fiercely saying “What’s this feeling...? Naruto is so...”

During the chuunin exams part 1 (the written tests), when the tenth question came up, she was faced with the possibility of Naruto failing permanently. She was thinking, “But that silly dream of yours... I don’t want to see it crushed.” She was willing to let her whole team fail in order to protect Naruto’s dream (I’m not entirely sure if she was doing Sasuke any favors there, since there weren’t any mention of him).

During the chuunin exams part 2, Sasuke was about to give up their scroll until Naruto snapped him out of his thoughts. Sakura told Sasuke that “Naruto may be an idiot, but at least he’s not a coward like you!”

After Sakura’s fight against Ino, Sakura told Naruto “Thanks. If it weren’t for you yelling like an idiot, I would’ve lost.”

In Naruto’s fight against Kiba, she was thinking “I used to make fun of those words, but I was wrong”. After that, she said “Naruto... Tell everyone...” and then Naruto finished her sentence by saying “Don’t underestimate me!” showing yet again how the two think alike. As explained in Episode 3, they are kindred spirits. Their personalities match well with one another (which will be explained in the ‘Naruto and Sakura’s relationship’ part).

In the chuunin exams part 3, Sakura was thinking “I’m kind of jealous of you. When I watch you fight, I feel like I have to do my best, and that is an incredible thing,” and later on in Naruto’s fight against Gaara, Sakura was Naruto’s motivation to win. For me, this is one of ‘The Great NaruSaku Qualities™’. They motivate each other, learn from each other, and grow stronger with one another. Following Sakura’s line, “that is an incredible thing.”

In Sasuke’s fight against Gaara, however, Sakura showed no cheering, no self-narration, none about Sasuke except for asking Kakashi about the Cursed Seal and probably being gloomy when Sasuke wouldn’t show up.

After the fight against Gaara, Sakura thanked Sasuke for defeating Gaara for her. Sasuke honestly told her that it was Naruto who did the job, and instead of being disappointed, she smiled for Naruto in a surprisingly warm way – a smile that she had never given anyone else. Not even Sasuke.

Sakura asked Naruto on a date later on, intending to tell him about the Sasuke. This one is noticeable. Sakura could’ve just told Naruto that she wanted to have a word with him privately, but no. She asked him out on a date. Although it doesn’t scream out “OMG SAKURA TOTALLY LURVES NARUTO!!!11”, it shows just how far their relationship had gone. Sakura was now comfortable with going out on a date with Naruto. And Naruto, in turn, didn’t go all “OMG SAKURA’S ASKING ME OUT!!!!” but instead took everything seriously as he could tell that Sakura had bad news. And when Naruto comforts her, she smiled truly. And nobody else could’ve made her smile like this in the time of her darkest.

Later on, Sakura went to see Team Shikamaru. Naruto tells Sakura that he understood her pain – the pain of loving someone who can’t love you back. Naruto looked sad, trying to smile because he didn’t want Sakura to cry anymore. Hugging herself, Sakura thought back to the early days of Episode 3, and realized how wrong she was. All of her first impressions of Naruto were washed away by this. When she thought Naruto was someone who didn’t understand her at first, she now realizes that he was the only one who really understood her. She thought that he was just annoying at first, when in fact he was one of the most trustworthy people of all. She said “Thank you!” with all sincerity and emotions. Because Naruto was no longer an annoying bugger, but an important friend. After that, Naruto made a promise that he’ll bring back Sasuke for Sakura, because he loved her enough that he would sacrifice his own happiness for her. He didn’t want her to feel his pain, because he could feel how much it hurt. He wanted her to be happy, even if it meant that she wouldn’t be with him.

When Naruto failed to bring back Sasuke, Sakura tried to act happily, even making jokes about Naruto “looking like a mummy”. She didn’t want Naruto to break down because of his failure, and she didn’t want him to overwork himself, all because of her. And so she tells him that it was okay that he didn’t fulfill his promise. She wanted him to stop. Yet Naruto persisted that he never backs down on a promise. There was no way she could prevent Naruto from going all out, and so the least she could do was look out for him. She asked Tsunade to make her an apprentice, and vowed that next time, she and Naruto were going together.

After two and a half years, Naruto came back after his training with Jiraiya. The first thing that Sakura asks is “How do I look? Have I become more womanly?” Then, when Naruto brushes off Konohamaru’s thoughts of performing the Sexy no Jutsu, she admired him for it, thinking that “More than just his height had grown........ Naruto, you’ve become an excellent man.” After that, Naruto says that he has a new ultra-perverted jutsu, and Sakura, still caught up in the moment of admiring him, says “Yeah, your new ultra-perverted jutsu...” Two seconds later, she comes to realizations and punches Naruto saying “Where the hell do you expect me to put the way I felt about you earlier?!”

The greatest thing about Naruto and Sakura is that they have the ability to be romantic even without being overly sappy and amorous. It’s perfect for a shounen manga like this. Even after the proposals are done and they’re already a couple, they’d still have something to offer the people: comedy/entertainment. It’d be great because I read somewhere that Kishi said he was going to continue to the children.

They also think alike, as shown in Naruto’s fight against Kiba, in Chapter 3, during those times when Kakashi was late, and a lot of chapters after the time-skip. I can see them as the greatest teammates. When there’s a brainstorming time, all they need to do is look at each other and nod, and let the plan commence, because they are perfectly synchronized.

Of course, it doesn’t have to be like that all the time. There will be times when Naruto goes way ahead of himself, and Sakura would care to disagree and give him a good smack if ever he becomes a persistent brat, because Sakura doesn’t worship Naruto like Hinata does. When Naruto does wrong, she can give him a good lecture and/or calm him down.

These two have a lot of similarities, as well as enough opposites to keep a relationship going. Sure, Naruto is a dumbass and Sakura is second to Shikamaru in intelligence, but they’re both wonderfully energetic and they can live the moment as happily as can be. Their personalities are perfectly balanced, and their characteristics needn’t be changed if ever they get in a relationship.

They motivate each other, learn from each other, and grow stronger with one another, as demonstrated when Sakura felt that she needed to do her best whenever she sees Naruto fight, and when Sakura calms Naruto down whenever he gets way ahead of himself. Sakura can find strength and determination in Naruto, and at the same time, Naruto can find wisdom and maturity from Sakura. They complement each other very well, and with each other, they can be very strong. They are so perfect together that even if they don’t end up as a couple, they would still have one of the closest relationships in the entire manga (Naruto and Sasuke excluded).

- On their sibling relationship.

Based on what I have observed, people say that Naruto and Sakura can’t end up together because they only have a brother and sister relationship. Why would people say that? We all know that Naruto likes Sakura. He tried to kiss her when he was in Sasuke form. He tried to eat with her when they became teammates. He looked really sad whenever Sakura hugged and cried over Sasuke. Konohamaru and GamaKichi thought that Sakura was Naruto’s girlfriend. Where’s the platonic relationship in those? So because Naruto didn’t obsess over Sakura, it means he doesn’t love her? I think it only means that he’s more mature than her and he doesn’t need to fanboy over her. And even if they do think of each other as brother and sister, what’s wrong? Would it suddenly become incest or something even though they aren’t related?

- It isn’t cliché

One cannot deny that two main characters are more often than not sure to end up together. Take a look at Final Fantasy 10. The author just slaps the two characters together and doesn’t really bother with development because it’s already understood that they’re a couple. It’s kind of boring and way overdone, right? Does that mean that if Naruto and Sakura were to end up together, the manga would be boring and cliché?

Actually, it won’t. Because with Naruto and Sakura, the author actually gave us a reason why the two should end up together. Their relationship would make perfect sense, and even a good story. In the beginning, Naruto had nothing. No family, no love, not even good skills as a ninja. He had to earn everything. Then he has this rival who has everything. He had skills and talent. Everyone recognized him. He even has the affection of the girl that Naruto likes. As the story progressed, things started to change. Naruto improved, people paid attention to him, and he rose from dead-last dropout to recognizable, powerful ninja. He has earned everything he ever wanted. Sasuke, on the other hand, lost (not to say lost, but rather, “sacrificed”) everything he had.

Everything that Sasuke lost, Naruto earned. And would it be so cliché if he earned Sakura’s love, too? I don’t watch a lot of anime, so I don’t know if what I’m saying is anything new. Maybe it has been done in the past already. But I can also say that Sasuke x Sakura’s “Girl comforts angsty guy” has also been done. And so has Naruto x Hinata’s “Shy girl finds courage to tell guy ‘I love you’”. And tell me, how often does “Girl slowly sees how great the guy is” happen?


I don't know if the anime team only cares about the fandom in Japan or they look at it around the world. But I guess they like to poke fun at, or add in their own pairing hints in filler scenes / episodes of Naruto. Such as their Konoha Gakuen Den special that had hints of NaruSaku, NaruHina, NaruSasu, OroSasu, KakaIru (most popular in Japan), etc. That filler au (alternate universe) manga video was created by one of the art directors for Naruto anime, not Kishi.

Kishimoto stated in an interview with American Shonen Jump that he's not good at writing out romance. I guess you can sorta tell as he uses alot of cliche romantic elements from other shonen mangas. However, his development of NaruSaku since the beginning is really beautiful and it's execution different from other shonen couples. Whether he doesn't realize it, or just made that comment to trick ASJ and not reveal his intended pairing.

ASJ also asked him what will he do about the unrequited love of the characters in Naruto. Naruto and Rock Lee to Sakura, Sakura and Ino to Sasuke, and Hinata to Naruto. Kishi said he plans on solving 1 case of unrequited love and hope the person gets their love returned. NaruHina fans take that as a hint for their pairing because it's the only pairing listed with no conflictions. NaruSaku and LeeSaku conflict, as well SasuSaku and SasuIno.

ASJ seems to know about how popular the NaruHina fandom in the west is. I don't remember the exact question, but ASJ said something like I hope Hinata gets her chance. Kishi's response was I hope so too. Again, NaruHina fans take that as a pairing hint. But to me, I think he was just being coy. Good authors don't reveal important plot elements to their stories. If he had said "Hinata gets with Naruto", all the NaruHina fans will jump for joy, while most NaruHina haters would probably quit.

If he had said "Hinata won't get Naruto", then all the NaruHina haters will be happy, while most NaruHina fans may quit the series. It's a money issue. By keeping the pairing hints subtle and ambiguous, fans will continue watching / reading Naruto, hoping their favorite pairing will become canon. He'll most likely won't reveal his intended pairing until the end. This keeps fans still hooked to the series, generating money. Not all fans will quit, some still enjoy their pairing even in fanon.

Anyways so again, NaruHina fans took this as a hint that their pairing will happen in the end. If ASJ asked about NaruSaku, I believe he would give the same response and I wouldn't take it as a serious hint. But as a sort of nail in the coffin. In the interview, he stated that volume 33 or 35 (forgot) has just been released in Japan. He mentions a new drawing style and hopes the fans like it. About 2 volumes later, bam, we got the Sakura trying to feed Naruto ramen scene, hehe.

As for NaruHina, well pretty much nothing happened in the current manga arc. Although they're hoping something will happen after this Tobi/Madara and Sasuke story is finished. In my opinion, the 1 pairing he has planned will be NaruSaku due to it's development. He hasn't done alot with his side characters, so I don't think he'll elaborate on those possible pairings too much. ShikaIno, ShikaTema, KibaHina, LeeTen, NejiTen, etc. If KibaHina happens, it will probably be in the epilogue.

As for Sakura to Naruto. She's giving me the impression in the manga that she has moved on from Sasuke and sees Naruto in a different light. She does still "love" Sasuke as a dear friend and teammate, and wants him back safely in Konoha and reunite Team 7. I put love in quotations because I believe it's more friendly or motherly love, and not genuine romantic love. I think Sakura confused her care and worry for his wellbeing along with her starting crush of him as signs of love.

At the goodbye scene (chapter 181, episode 109), when she said "I love you so much it hurts" or "I love you more than anything". There was a slight mistranslation. The term she used was Suki de Tamanarai, meaning "I really like / love you to death or alot, whatever". However, it's context isn't a literal expression of a love confession, and is weaker compared to Aishiteru or Daisuki used in that context. My interpretation is that she said that in desperation to get him to stay.

And she pretty much negated her offer to go with him when she said she'll scream. During the chapter/episode, she expressed pain in her 1on1 interactions with Sasuke. I don't know if she was exaggerating, but she said that Sasuke never talks to her. So on all the missions and times of peace together in Konoha, in her mind, they've never had 1 decent conversation. She also says "you hate me don't you", which he's just silent and doesn't deny. And he still calls her annoying.

She expresses happiness when she reminisces about Team 7 as a whole, and her tears goes away. She enjoyed the time she spent together with Sasuke, Naruto and Kakashi. But yeah, considering Sasuke was her first crush, she couldn't bear to lose his presence. So she sort of felt like she would be alone if he left. And she was worried what Orochimaru might do to him, or what he will do to attain his goals in killing Itachi. Nevertheless, Sasuke says thank you and knocks her out.

At the promise of a lifetime scene (chapter 183, episode 110), she begs Naruto to bring Sasuke back. Naruto puts on a pained smile, saying he understands her and knows how she's feeling. He doesn't push his feelings on to her or takes advantage of Sasuke leaving. Instead, he cares about Sakura's happiness and is willing to bring said rival back in love for Sakura. Sakura realizes how she was wrong about Naruto, that he always knew her, and she trusts him completely.

Naruto does the thumbs up, makes his lifetime promise and leaves. Even if Sakura wasn't there, he still would've tried to bring Sasuke back anyways. Sasuke was like a brother and best friend to him. When he returned (episode 135, chapter 236), Sakura goes to see him. I noticed 3 different translations when Ino asked what Sakura will do after she said she'll go see Chouji. The manga and Viz Media English dub translations are similar and fits the chapter context better.


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English fansub: "I'm going to see Sasuke-kun first, and then Naruto..."

Of course, this wouldn't make sense considering she went to Naruto's room first. Also for anime only watchers, this just adds on to Sakura bashing.

Youtube comment(ex): Omg that bitch Sakura, I hope she dies, Naruto just got back from his near death fight with Sasuke. And all she cares is how Sasuke is doing, I fvcking hate her.

Manga: "I'll go see Naruto first, and then Sasuke-kun..."

Viz Media English Dub: "I'll go see Naruto (first), and Sasuke if he's there..."


I put first in brackets cause my memory is hazy if she said it in the English dub or not. But the fact still stands she said Naruto's name and went to go see him first. When she arrived at the door and heard Naruto say "he got away". Again, more Youtube comments of Sakura bashing cause they're thinking all she cares about is Sasuke not being there. In my opinion, I think she's accepted Sasuke's path in life.

She knows that Naruto and the others were injured during the Sasuke retrieval mission. She probably felt guilty like it was her fault that they, especially Naruto, got injured. She probably thought it was Sasuke's fault too, but it's not like he's there so she shouldered the blame on herself. I think she maybe regretted asking Naruto to try so hard and didn't want to face him. But Tsunade appears and helps her go see Naruto. When she sees Naruto injured and bandaged up, you see how sad she is.

She's probably feeling even more guilty, like it was her fault that Naruto looked like that. Naruto tries to apologize for failing, saying he'll try again. Sakura puts on a pained smile, and tries to brighten up the mood. Opening the curtains, saying it's a beautiful day, that he looks like a mummy. She's saddened at seeing how much pain Naruto is in, and probably realized that she was selfish. That Sasuke was just as much important to Naruto as he was to her

Naruto still insists he'll keep his promise. Here, I think Sakura has accepted Sasuke's path, and doesn't want to lose another important person in Naruto. She shows her selflessness to Naruto, just like he did for her at the PoaLT scene. She tells Naruto that it's alright, to forget about it. Naruto keeps going, saying it's his nindou and lifetime promise. Sakura then apologizes for being useless and says she'll get stronger and they'll bring Sasuke back together.

She goes to Tsunade and asks for training, and you see an image of Naruto and Sasuke in her mind. She wants to protect and save her 2 teammates, her friends, her precious people. During part 2, she learns more about Naruto's pains. Being a jinchuuriki and container for the Kyuubi, and that Akatsuki is after him. This saddens her and makes her job harder, but she'll try her best to make sure that Naruto is safe as well.

When Sai asks Sakura why is Naruto trying so hard for a traitor like Sasuke. She doesn't mention that she wants Sasuke back for herself or Naruto's PoaLT to her. She mentions (and acknowledges) how Sasuke is like a brother to him, his best friend, and how close they were. Asking that even Sai might understand a little since he lost a "brother" too, despite his lack of emotions. When Kabuto mocks Naruto, saying that Sasuke is changed and doesn't want anything to do with Team 7 or Konoha.

Again, Sasuke doesn't enter Sakura's mind. Instead, she thinks about Naruto's wellbeing. She yells at Kabuto, calling him 4 eyes and that he doesn't know how Naruto is feeling. After Naruto turns 4tails and she sees the demon for the first time, she realizes how far Naruto is trying, for himself and for her. She thinks back to the 12 year old carefree smiling Naruto, and the older more mature but still the same 15 year old Naruto. Where's that smiling face now, the Naruto she's grown fond of?

Yet ignoring the dangers and Yamato's words, she run towards him. An easy thing to do, was to tell Naruto to forget about the promise and Sasuke. But since Naruto and Sasuke were so close, she knows that Naruto won't give up. So she makes a compromise and I'm happy with what she said. She shouts to Naruto, "that's enough, I'll save Sasuke-kun for you, so you don't need to-". She knows her chances of saving Sasuke on her own is greatly reduced. But she tries to relieve Naruto of his burden.

She doesn't want to see Naruto in so much pain, trying so hard and selling his soul to the Kyuubi to bring Sasuke back. She shows her selflessness, for Naruto, saying she'll save Sasuke for Naruto. Not for herself. I've also noticed that she has broken promises related to Sasuke, but kept the one vow she made with Naruto. In part 1, Sasuke asked her not to tell Naruto about the Cursed Seal, because he didn't want him to worry. Before Sasuke leaving, she asks Naruto out on a date.

Now Naruto and Sakura are good friends and part of Team 7. She could've just said she had something important to talk to him about. It's also here that she tells Naruto about Sasuke, Orochimaru, and the Cursed Seal, thus breaking her promise. She could've went to Kakashi, Ino, or even Tsunade. Kakashi suppressed the Cursed Seal, Ino is her best friend / rival and shares the same interest in Sasuke. Tsunade is a legendary sannin, recent hokage, and knows Orochimaru.

Yet of all people, she chose Naruto. The one Sasuke told her to promise him not to tell. So she breaks her promise and confides in Naruto. Naruto cheers her up by saying Sasuke is strong enough and won't go to someone like Orochimaru. When Sakura smiled, I don't think she really believed Naruto's words. She had her doubts since she did wait at the village exit later that night and saw Sasuke leaving. I think she smiled because when she's down, she knows she can find comfort in Naruto.

In part 2, after meeting Sai. He calls Naruto dickless, Sakura an ugly bitch, and Sasuke a traitor. She doesn't defend Naruto cause she probably feels he's a big boy who can defend himself. She gets mad when Sai insults Sasuke because he isn't there to defend himself, she's sorta mothering him, and it's like Sai talking behind Sasuke's back. She punches Sai and makes a promise that she'll do it if Sai insults Sasuke again. Yet after Team Kakashi's simulation training, Sai insults Sasuke again.

But here, she gauges Naruto's reaction. Naruto says he'll do whatever it takes to save Sasuke, even if it means working with a jerk like Sai. Sakura breaks her vow that she'll hit Sai again for insulting Sasuke, because of the actions shown by Naruto. Of course, that doesn't stop her from hitting him for calling her ugly, lol. The one vow she does keep is that she'll go save Sasuke together with Naruto, and that she'll save and protect them both.

After failing to save Sasuke at the Team 7 reunion scene. Again, she shows that she's still there for Naruto. "Crying...crying won't bring Sasuke-kun back. I'm still here...we'll get stronger together." Again the emphasis on together, she'll still be there for Naruto. Chapter 343, not just the feeding ramen, but the hospital scene gave me hints of her falling for Naruto. Naruto's right arm is injured and complains he can't eat with his left hand. Sakura has a flashback to the hospital with him.

She thinks about her healing Naruto's arm, berating him for being reckless and to only use the jutsu when he runs out of options or he's sure he'll make a hit. Naruto insists he's fine and that he actually enjoys doing this. Here we see Sakura's surprised expression in the panel. Note that Sasuke has not yet been mentioned. I believe that she was thinking that Naruto was gonna say his feelings for her at that moment, saying he's enjoying spending time together with her.

However, he ruins the moment by saying it feels like they're getting closer to Sasuke. Then we see Sakura's sad expression before the flashback ends and we see her attempting to feed Naruto (until Sai interrupts). In her sad expression, I believe her thoughts was that "Naruto you baka, you think I still love Sasuke-kun, I don't feel like that for him anymore, it's you I want." And then of course, she shifts her chair close to him, tries to feed him. This is considered a romantic gesture in Japan

Naruto sorta put 2 and 2 together and realized what Sakura might be feeling for him, and was happy that she was gonna feed him. When Sai reaches over and feeds Naruto, look at Sakura in the panel. Notice she has her hand in a fist while looking at Sai? We don't see her face but I think she was angry at Sai for interrupting the moment as well. As for why she doesn't fangirl or throws herself at Naruto. Well she's grown up and has gotten more mature.

She use to throw herself at Sasuke back in part 1 and their relationship (friendship) was weak and didn't go anywhere. I think she has a vague impression of Naruto's feelings for her, but she's not entirely sure how serious or deep it is. He does ask her out on dates, but he casually jokes about it, so as not to feel too dejected or saddened when she declines. So she's probably not sure how Naruto really feels about her or if he's serious about it. She wouldn't want to jump in and get hurt.

So she's probably testing the waters, trying to see where her and Naruto's feelings lie. As for her date rejections in part 2, she has a sense of protocol and knows how scary Tsunade can be when she's angry. So she got mad at his date request when they had to go see her right away. The other time was they were going to see Kakashi together with Sai, and she teases him about exercising his mind if he can think about dating only. It's like, Naruto is a baka, but he's Sakura's baka.

Hmm there are a few possibilities of what could happen. With recent chapter events, it's possible that Tobi may manipulate Sasuke and have him join the Akatsuki. But I think like Vegeta in DBZ, he'll be redeemed in the end. And NaruSaku getting together won't leave Sasuke out of the Team 7 equation. They both care about him dearly as a friend and comrade. And I don't think Sasuke would have any qualms about his 2 teammates in a relationship, as he showed no romantic interest in Sakura.

There's still the possibility that Kishi might not make any pairings happen in the end. Or I hope that he doesn't chuck all development out the window and pull a Goku/Chichi on us. If he was to make a hetero pairing happen, I believe it will most likely be NaruSaku considering it's mountain of evidence. As for the bad guys, I believe it will either be Naruto and Sasuke teaming up together, or Team 7 as a whole taking out Pain and Madara.

I was rereading through the manga, and in the Kakashi Gaiden Arc, I started thinking of the Team Minato parallel theory. Let's say that unlike Obito and Rin, Naruto and Sakura do get together, and even conceive a child (continuining the Uzumaki line). The only way I thought of SasuSaku might happen, is if something was to happen to Naruto. Sacrificing his life to save his friends, like Obito did for Kakashi and Rin.

And like Obito telling Kakashi to take care of and love Rin for him, Naruto might tell Sasuke the same thing for Sakura. If this happened, Sasuke may not love Sakura romantically, but out of remembrance to Naruto's memory. NaruSaku fans may be happy that the couple got together near the end of the series. But if it happened like this to match Team Minato, I can imagine the SasuSaku fans rejoicing and NaruSaku fans angered at what Kishi did. But no, I don't see SasuSaku happening on it's own.

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I think Shion will be his lover


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i still can't believe so much people like hinata. Until she prove herself she is a worthless character to me. Also i don't even think she will be able to prove herself further on in the story. i taught she was going to prove herself when she was put in konoha team who were suppose to kidnap itachi but it doesn't seem like kishi is that interested in her.


I actually believe totally the opposite, but I respect your opinion anyway. I took over 200 chapters to see Sakura fighting or doing something that could be considered worthy and it was her fight vs Sasori with the help of Chiyo. Still she needs her time alone on the spotlight for real. Hinata in the other hand had to fight against Neji which was pretty much the stronger of the all 9 Konoha and in my opinon that fight was pretty awsome, Sakura wouldn't have a chance, Sasuke neither as said by Kakashi.

If you have been reading the interviews of Masashi Kishimoto, then you have read what he said about going against the industry of eterteiment and his beliefs about it. I think he have been clear with the Naruto - Hinata, Sakura - Sasuke, to the points that there are covers which points that directly.

Sakura holding the fan of the uchihas - Manga cover
Hinata smiling and Naruto looking towards the sun - Orginal Art
Hinata in the covers which are paraphrasing text or images from the manga related to Naruto, etc.

If it were just for the participation in the manga, the story would be called Sasuke instead of Naruto. Because if you point the story towards Sasuke he is the commonly used Goku (a.k.a) the shounen hero. Naruto is mostly a Hero in developepment, and that in my opinion makes the manga attractive.

IDK, there could be a Hinata and Naruto vs Pain (due the reference done to the Byakuugan during Jiraiya's fight) or Hinata against someone of Hebi.

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I doubt Hinata will be in the story now shez not that important as before.. Do you realize she was off for 300 chapters?

do you know that (Hinata smiling and Naruto looking towards the sun - Orginal Art) was like before he started Naruto and it was like 8 years ago.. and after that Kishi didnt even want to mention Hinata but he did.. Seriously im pretty sure Kishi forgotten that draw a long time ago


But by the way nice post aight1 i really appreciate it :D


Either way, I may be just repeating what a few others said, but i'll say it anyway.



Personally i believe NaruSaku will happen in the end, because it is the one that most fits with the flow of the story, which leads me to belive Kishi had planned it out. Sakura, as we all know, hated Naruto in the beginning. Why? Because to her, he was annoying, too overconfident, and seemed to pop up everywhere just to ruin her life to ruin everything, including her relationship with Sasuke.

But throughout the series, however, through time and tribulation, this mindset slowly changed towards slowly being more and more accepting of his attitude(both the good and bad parts). But she still was annoyed by him, because she didn't realize that he was always there for her, sometimes the only one. After she realized this before Naruto left to pursue Sasuke, i think that Sakura's feelings were only then getting to the point where she could call him a great friend.

One battle and 3 years later, Sakura actually blushes at him, accepts dates from him, even tries to feed him on one account! (Take note that in the very beginning of the series, Sakura absolutely loathed the idea of trying to feed Naruto, and she would not have done it had anyone but Sasuke demanded her to do so but i think that's changed. Infact,
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nowadays she would feed him without missing a beat, actually HAS offered to and WOULD have done so, without hesitation actually, much to the suprise of Naruto as well.
Which is why, personally, i think the mangaka showed these subtle changes within her, to illustrate, that a true relation doesn't happen overnight, but must be developed approriately, slowly but surely.

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Well someone brougth that argument about Hinata not being an important character or at least not important as Sakura to the manga as the point to explain why Narusaku is going to happen and that point was totally defeated.

Hinata as not important character...
Well this wouldn't be the first time that a non-important characters becomes the girl of Main character. The most famous example is chi chi from Dragon Ball, appeared like twice as child in the manga and as young woman a few chapters in the end of the first part, she became the wife of Goku. I remember someone posted other examples which are pretty the same in other shounen/seinen mangas and even with that argument naruhina is a winner.

Kishimoto have been clear with his interviews. I remember someone said that Deidara wasn't dead after Kakashi's attack because Deidara was pop character, the only way was to kill him with another very popular character, Sasuke was the one who killed him and he is indeed a very popular character.

Sasusaku in Japan is popular as Naruhina is worldwide, to the point that is not rare to find sites/bbs/forums using a theme dedicated to the couple. I think Kishimoto have been clear with Naruto & Hinata, much as he has been clear with Sakura and Sasuke » Picture (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/64/). Is just about time, I think that's something in what he is going to work later in the manga, in the next cooldown time they get.

My only hope is that he don't do something patethic liked Akira Toriyama did with Bulma, when she was thinking about how handsome Goku became and said "I lost my opportunity". The popularity of Naruhina is because they are equal but different at the same time, that from my perspective of course.

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Lol That not even a Uchiha Fan she has and wheres Sasuke in it


And Kishimoto didnt even say a thing about Naruto and Hinata



If Hinata disapear for 100 chapter again after the Sasuke/Madara arc ill just laught out of my ***


your still gonna say shez important? we will see then

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Sakura is the annoying one not hinata.How can you say hinata is worthless,in part 1 every mission they had together hinata did something useful to help complete the mission.Sakura is the one who is worthless,why do you think she went to tsunade to train?I tell you why because she wanted to become more helpful,and she also did it for sasuke.Even in part 2,what did she do when she saw sasuke? She just stared at him all day while everyone else was fighting.At least hinata helped a little in the tobi fight,what did sakura do?Oh yeah I forgot NOTHING!

Are you reading the same manga(naruto) as me? because hinata never had a mission with naruto in part 1. let me repeat that, never

[Jammin]

Narusaku
Naruto:Hi sakura.
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:Why do you look so depressed?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:whatever,you want to go out to see a movie?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto: Are you even listening to me?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:Forget you,I'm breaking up with you and going to someone who actually cares about me like Hinata.(leaves)
Sakura: (still thinking about sasuke)
This is why I don't want naruto and sakura to hook up.Sakura would only care for sasuke and no one else.Obviously, as long as she is still holding on to her obsession with Sasuke, a NaruSaku pairing would be pretty much like you said. It's my belief that those feelings have long since faded to something far less passionate. More like dedication to a friend than love. At the point she's willing to go out with Naruto than i think it would be safe to say her feeling for Sasuke will have diminished considerably.

If you look on the flip side though here's what i think NaruHina would probably look like.

Naruto:"Hey Hinata, want to go eat ramen."
Hinata:*blushes*"Y-Y-Yes"
Next day
Naruto:"Hey Hinata, lets go see a movie"
Hinata:*blushes*"Y-Y-Yes"
Next day
Naruto:"Hey Hinata, do my laundry"
Hinata:*blushes*"Y-Y-Yes"

That's the way i see NaruHina turning out at the moment. She needs to be a stronger character in order for her to be able to stand out at all. Right now if she became involved with Naruto romantically she would just end up as Naruto's subservient girlfriend. Little more than a lifeless background prop that occasionally says "yes" to something Naruto mentions. That would be a horrible end for her character, in my opinion.

I think NaruSaku, on the other hand, would be an excellent source of comic relief. Something that is very much in demand now that Jiraiya is gone, and it wouldn't diminish Sakura's character at all. In fact it would enhance it because she and Naruto could easily get a Jiraiya/Tsunade vibe going on. Which would be both fun and entertaining.


Sasusaku in Japan is popular as Naruhina is worldwide, to the point that is not rare to find sites/bbs/forums using a theme dedicated to the couple. I think Kishimoto have been clear with Naruto & Hinata, much as he has been clear with Sakura and Sasuke » Picture. Is just about time, I think that's something in what he is going to work later in the manga, in the next cooldown time they get.I don't get what you are you talking about. She was holding a fan but that fan didn't have anything Uchiha on it. The Uchiha symbol looks like *this* (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/17/). That fan looks nothing like the one on the symbol.:oh

KakashixIruka is also very popular in japan that doesn't mean it's going to happen.....I hope.

[Marq]

Obviously, as long as she is still holding on to her obsession with Sasuke, a NaruSaku pairing would be pretty much like you said. It's my belief that those feelings have long since faded to something far less passionate. More like dedication to a friend than love. At the point she's willing to go out with Naruto than i think it would be safe to say her feeling for Sasuke will have diminished considerably.

If you look on the flip side though here's what i think NaruHina would probably look like.

Naruto:"Hey Hinata, want to go eat ramen."
Hinata:*blushes*"Y-Y-Yes"
Next day
Naruto:"Hey Hinata, lets go see a movie"
Hinata:*blushes*"Y-Y-Yes"
Next day
Naruto:"Hey Hinata, do my laundry"
Hinata:*blushes*"Y-Y-Yes"

That's the way i see NaruHina turning out at the moment. She needs to be a stronger character in order for her to be able to stand out at all. Right now if she became involved with Naruto romantically she would just end up as Naruto's subservient girlfriend. Little more than a lifeless background prop that occasionally says "yes" to something Naruto mentions. That would be a horrible end for her character, in my opinion.

I think NaruSaku, on the other hand, would be an excellent source of comic relief. Something that is very much in demand now that Jiraiya is gone, and it wouldn't diminish Sakura's character at all. In fact it would enhance it because she and Naruto could easily get a Jiraiya/Tsunade vibe going on. Which would be both fun and entertaining.

I don't get what you are you talking about. She was holding a fan but that fan didn't have anything Uchiha on it. The Uchiha symbol looks like *this* (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/17/). That fan looks nothing like the one on the symbol.:oh

KakashixIruka is also very popular in japan that doesn't mean it's going to happen.....I hope.

Comic relief? Last thing this fucking manga needs is damn comic relief. So who is naruto is suppose to represent? Jirayia or his father Minato? I've already said my opinion. Never liked the NaruSaku paring and never will. OF course Hinata is still the same because Kishi has yet to address the issue. I feel he will at least try to see that she's grown up. So far it's nothing what so ever, and personally I would hate it if she ended the same girl blushing over naruto and not change.. And yes the Naruto/Sakura is cliche as hell. It's the main character likes girl, girl doesn't like guy, and eventually starts to like him cliche. And please dont' say sakura liked naruto at the begining of part one at all. It was first hate, etc. I'm not saying plain hate, but she was all gaga over sasuke. obviously she started to believe in naruto near the end, but still prefered sasuke. So what about Naruto acknowledging that Sakura is in love with Sasuke before the resuce arc mission part one? Was that just all moot? Yes I've seen Sakura actually open herself up more and more to Naruto, but as a friend, more than a lover. Obviously she understands Naruto's danger etc. And please dont' tell me that she's over sasuke. Yes she pleaded to get Sasuke back for Naruto, but what was that face she had when she saw Sasuke. She dropped in awe, stood speechless. Don't tell she still doesn't have feeling for him after that encounter. AS for hinata, obviously she hasn't has much interaction with Naruto, but this is a shounen, not shoujo. However during those small interactions, it tells alot. Yes Naruto thought hinata was a weirdo (big deal, he does harsh observations on anyone, and eventually changed his tune), at first, eventualy he thinks different of her. AS for part 2, obviously not much other than Hinata fainting.. well her second time actually (part one, mentioned she saw naruto bandaged up and nearly fainted).. so yeah Hinata's love for naruto magnified when he was gone. Personally I feel kishi gives closure to each his characters in their own way, even though the readers might not agree with his decison. I feel that he will address Hinata's problem/strenghts by his own. Certinaly he will close the deal between Naruto and Hinata. That is not to stay it's a guarentee that it will happen, but something should end this resolve. AS of now, for the Arc, there isn't really an apporiate oppurtunity for Hinata to say anything to Naruto about her feeling because of the mission itself. Yes we do see the difference between Sakura/Hinata's view on Naruto. Obviously when Naruto was kicked into the water, Hinata's first reaction was to check Naruto was okay. Of course knowing readers they probably rolled their eyes over and thought to themselves, great she's still a worrier about Naruto etc. True, she does worry about Naruto. Huge difference is Sakura's seen how strong naruto is, Hinata hasn't. But I guess the question if Naruto is over Sakura he would stop asking dates or so right? Man, that's just Naruto. He's still oblvious to gir's feelings obviously. He's been like since part one. But so far, things really changed. He's not really focusing on Sakura is he? Part one, he was like.. man I hope Sakura notices me, etc.. trying to be all cool. Yeah he's a kid, but in part 2, so far he's not much been concerned with Sakura (other than the Sasori fight) and has his main focus on Sasuke. Personally I feel he's doing two things. Get back Sasuke as a friend and fufilling his promise to Sakura... Part me of feels that I can't really see Sasuke be with anyone, due to the fact, random fangirl doesn't understand Sasuke. Only Sakura so far has. What about Karin? Execuse my lanuage. Screw that annoying fangirl bitch. Also there is this thing about Naruto doing everything Jirayia couldn't. Sure that could be true, but not nearly everything. I feel Kishi will eventually address this issue soon. Afterall he did say Sakura needed to grow up... so I guess we can wait and see until then.

[Askia32]

@ lolready
Well someone brougth that argument about Hinata not being an important character or at least not important as Sakura to the manga as the point to explain why Narusaku is going to happen and that point was totally defeated.

Hinata as not important character...
Well this wouldn't be the first time that a non-important characters becomes the girl of Main character. The most famous example is chi chi from Dragon Ball, appeared like twice as child in the manga and as young woman a few chapters in the end of the first part, she became the wife of Goku. I remember someone posted other examples which are pretty the same in other shounen/seinen mangas and even with that argument naruhina is a winner.

Kishimoto have been clear with his interviews. I remember someone said that Deidara wasn't dead after Kakashi's attack because Deidara was pop character, the only way was to kill him with another very popular character, Sasuke was the one who killed him and he is indeed a very popular character.

Sasusaku in Japan is popular as Naruhina is worldwide, to the point that is not rare to find sites/bbs/forums using a theme dedicated to the couple. I think Kishimoto have been clear with Naruto & Hinata, much as he has been clear with Sakura and Sasuke » Picture (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/64/). Is just about time, I think that's something in what he is going to work later in the manga, in the next cooldown time they get.

My only hope is that he don't do something patethic liked Akira Toriyama did with Bulma, when she was thinking about how handsome Goku became and said "I lost my opportunity". The popularity of Naruhina is because they are equal but different at the same time, that from my perspective of course.

Bringing up Chi Chi makes no sense. Their was really no other girl to even compete with Chi Chi. And don't say Bulma, because she was more like a big sister to Goku. Everybody who read or watched even, Dragonball knew that Goku, and Chi Chi we're gonna link up. The first time they ever met, Goku rubbed his foot against her area down below. If you want to use a dragon ball reference, you can say that the girl that usually ends up with the main character tends to hit them a lot(Sakura Naruto). With that, you can actually use more references like yu yu hakusho, Kenshin, Inuyasha, Tri-gun, FMA, and the list goes on. Who is the girl that hits Naruto all the time, hmmm, "Is it Sakura?" ding ding ding ding ding. You are the winner. Another argument referencing Dragon ball, is that shōnen usually have a stereotypical view of moms being very overbearing. Who do you think would be more overbearing as a mother, Sakura or Hinata? Sakura, obviously(Sakura Naruto).

Speaking of interviews, Kishi said he was going to develop Sasuke, Kakashi, and Hinata? Nope, Sakura. So since we're almost half way through the year, and Sasuke has been getting his non-stop[ screen time, expect to see a lot more Sakura and Kakashi(can't wait, I really hope he doesn't kill Kakashi). So any arguments of Hinata being just as an important character is not accurate, especially when Sakura is the female LEAD of the manga.

Now with all these covers, data books, and junk that HinataXNaruto fans love using as arguments, which I guess makes sense, because there's really not much at all of stuff in the actual manga to prove their points. Kishi likes to do what, throw people of his trail of what he is actually planning. In my mind, its working perfectly. The more popular opinion is that hinata and naruto. Is that actually going to happen, I completely doubt it. Kishi has been been building this romance between Naruto and Sakura since the beggining of the manga, and if you want the proof of that, read my previous posts that I have made in this thread. My biggest one shouldnt be too far back.

I really like Hinata, but from what I can see, she is never going to have a big role in the manga, like being Naruto's lover, even if she barely gets any screen time. The only way this will change, is if Neji dies, and I don't think thats going to happen. Especially after introducing Naruto's mom, it adds to my confidence that it will be Naruto and Sakura linking up.

But hey, if you still wanna believe that it's gonna be Naruto and Hinata, keep reading your manga covers, databooks, and art from I don't know how long ago, and dream about them hooking up, find other clues from who knows where, because you will not find it in the manga.

I still do say that Hinata and Neji will link up.

[Naruto4life]

Romance since the beggining of the manga?Did'nt sakura say that she hated naruto and thought he was annoying in the beggining of the manga?Did'nt sakura say that she loved sasuke so much it hurts,that she would do anything to help him,and that it will be like if she was all alone if sasuke left? She was about to leave the village and get sasuke back all by herself and it did'nt matter to her the danger she was putting herself in,she just wanted sasuke back.So where is the romance between sakura and naruto?because I don't see it.It's more like the love sakura has for sasuke in part 1.
In part 2 she finally sees the pain that naruto has to endure since the beggining of his life.She feels sad/pity for naruto,she tries to take the pain away but then realizes that there is nothing she could for him.The relationship between sakura and naruto has develop to friendship.The things sakura does for naruto are the things that any friend/best friend will do for each other.
Even sasuke did more for naruto in part 1 then sakura did.Sasuke hated naruto as well but he was willing to risk his life/dream to save naruto's life and his dream(ex-the haku fight).He was even one the first people to acknowledge naruto for being strong,they later became like best friends/brothers.It's funny to me because it seems that even sasuke has done more for naruto in part 1 then sakura could ever do in part 1.
I hope naruto goes for the girl who likes him for who he is and will be there for naruto no matter what happens(hinata) and not go for the girl who likes him as a friend and will leave him as soon as the one she loves(sasuke) come back to her arms(sakura).

[Jammin]

@Marq
Dude, please use paragraphs i beg you. Giant blocks of text are a pain to read.

There is a bit of a problem in the logic of those trying to argue there is more evidence in the manga behind NaruHina or SasuSaku pairing than a NaruSaku. The one sidedness of the those two pairings.

In the case of NaruHina, their is a lot indicating that Hinata likes Naruto but nothing indicating that Naruto feels the same way. It seems to be just assumed that if Hinata likes Naruto then it will all work out, very logically unsound reasoning.:notrust

The same reasoning applies, or at least applied, to SasuSaku. Nothing ever indicated that Sasuke ever had any romantic interest in Sakura at all, the best she ever got out of him was a "thank you". He even tried to stab her shortly after the moment she looked up and saw him at Orochimaru's base, not very romantic if you ask me.:s

This is something that sets NaruSaku apart from the other two major pairings. Naruto has made clear and is continuously reinforcing that he wants to go out with Sakura. Sakura has done quit a few things to indicate she is beginning to return those feelings. So unlike the other pairings NaruSaku has evidence indicating that it's not a one sided thing.:amuse

[nat]

Narusaku
Naruto:Hi sakura.
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:Why do you look so depressed?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:whatever,you want to go out to see a movie?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto: Are you even listening to me?
Sakura: (thinking about sasuke)
Naruto:Forget you,I'm breaking up with you and going to someone who actually cares about me like Hinata.(leaves)
Sakura: (still thinking about sasuke)
This is why I don't want naruto and sakura to hook up.Sakura would only care for sasuke and no one else.

There is a thing called character development...If you are still stuck in Naruto part 1 arc 1, that's true but the story continues and all of them change.

Naruto was sometimes annoying in the first part (especially the first arc), sakura was a pathetic fangirl and kakashi was sadistic. Now using the amazing tool of character development Naruto is pwnsome, sakura is super strong and kakashi is prolly still sadistic(but less evident).

As for a minor/major character hooking up with the leading man. I say she has to do something, prove herself (at least follow the guy around ). Not just blush, faint and mumble incoherent sentences. It kinda gets boring afterwards, Hinata had 2.5 years to change herself for the best, and from what we have seen so far.....
She didn't. She got a move or two but personality-wise it's not a real change.

Sakura has been there for Naruto ever since the beginning of part 2 and that's a lot of time.(we might not be able to tell but prolly a year or more has passed.)
Even interactions from both sides are now easier and more natural.We also see lots of respect,trust and affection (what kind is anyone's guess) between them.

[Black/Light]

Wow. . . with the amount of focus on numbers of chaps/ appearances amoung characters here I could actually make a reasonable (gay. . ) NarutoXSas argument. (Which would help explain allot actually)

There seems to be some massive backlash to Hinata being a few votes shy of being the preferred one at a 2 to 1 vote count (or who knows, a choice few people might have simply sparked this up out of personal frustration with the poll cause if I remember correctly it was almost always lead by Hinata at close to 2-1).

Too bad my post quoting Frankie got deleted on this page. . .it's very good and I plain on looking into the Dec times in this thread to see what people thought before everyone pushed for a backlash against Hinata.

All I really see is. . ."Not important! (didn't stop Chi chi)/ [insert opinion saying she has a ugly uniform or is annoying/ worthless (even if Sak didn't do anything in part 1 that was worth much)/ Still too shy! (giving her reason to grow later)".

In fact, this whole thing has become really shallow. Boiling down to BS like "Hinata has been GONE for [insert number of chaps]" when we know d*** well this isn't a relationship manga were potential characters of interest have to be crammed in our face every few chaps.



I simply see SasXSak as just being allot more hinted at than the cliché that would be NaruXSak (Done countless times before and better) and if you read my last post than I agree with the post I Spoiler-tagged which showed allot of hints that point to NarutoXHinata. . .and given the polls allot of people agree with this general train of thought.

Thats just my take on the general feel here. Personal opinions are getting the better of us.
(And IDK were people are getting their dates from. From what I can tell part 2 has only been a few months. . .bout 3 months long in the manga world. Story wise thats not long)

[nat]

For the time line, i based my guess on the fact that they had six months to stop orochimaru from getting Sasuke (from chapter 245 to 320somthing). And in that arc, Kabuto states that the transfer time had come. So if 6 months passed that quickly probably more time has passed, we had a couple of arcs since then.

We didn't say Hinata was not important, we said that she didn't interact with Naruto to qualify couple hints. She likes him, but he is more concentrated on Sasuke. In that quest he is very close to Sakura emotionally and they are together most of the screen time (except for the training arc)

It's more the personal opinions that choose naruhina.

[Alterno]

Well I wasn't comparing Chi Chi to Hinata at all, I just said cases where a female character with very fews appeareances in the manga or characters that were not so important and became the girl of the main character... I remember that someone brought several names where the situation was the same. I don't know why some people are complaining about the popularity of Hinata over Sakura as the other half of the orange for Naruto. This is something that have been developed in the manga pretty well and is in something we see good development from almost the very begining of the Chuunin exams.

I remember most of the people saying that Sakura should notice Naruto more and see what most of saw in him from the very begining, but that was till Hinata appeared in that chapter a lot of us knew that something was coming. They have been developed a lot more in my humble opinion from the very first impression that Naruto gave us about her (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/39/Naruto39-07/)... to the chapter in which they were on the training grounds (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/98/07/), his second impression and naruto open himself to her.

So the reason that most of the people like naruhina, is because so far it have been developed in that way. There's also something you all should notice during the fight between neji and naruto... especially after naruto beat him.

Anyway people will always have their preference, we have to wait and see till the manga moves foward.

[Akumakage]

Wow the poll is highly in favour of hinata, if only kishi would of seen this. As much as I love seeing narutoxhinata, I must shamefully admit that there is no chance of that happening with the current trend of the manga. However I still hope its not sakura. I rather be someone new then her. I have nottin against her, but in my eyes she is not fit to be naruto's spouse.

But wut an amazing twist would it be when kishi pairs naruto and hinata together. I would cry.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

:luv:lovebunny:lovebunny NARUTO X SAKURA FOREVER .:lovebunny:lovebunny:luv

[Alterno]

Wow the poll is highly in favour of hinata, if only kishi would of seen this. As much as I love seeing narutoxhinata, I must shamefully admit that there is no chance of that happening with the current trend of the manga. However I still hope its not sakura. I rather be someone new then her. I have nottin against her, but in my eyes she is not fit to be naruto's spouse.

But wut an amazing twist would it be when kishi pairs naruto and hinata together. I would cry.

I think everybody knows that. There's not space for a further development in the relation between characters in the current storyline. Maybe it could happen between Sakura and Sasuke, just due the expected drama once they face each other again. But I think it will happen for both couples, the question is how he is going to make that fit in the current storyline or if he is planning to fully develop them once they all become adults.

[Jammin]

Wow the poll is highly in favour of hinata, if only kishi would of seen this. As much as I love seeing narutoxhinata, I must shamefully admit that there is no chance of that happening with the current trend of the manga. However I still hope its not sakura. I rather be someone new then her. I have nottin against her, but in my eyes she is not fit to be naruto's spouse.

But wut an amazing twist would it be when kishi pairs naruto and hinata together. I would cry.Polls on this type of topic are all over the place. On the "Who will Sakura end up with" (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18510) thread poll Naruto was crushing Sasuke almost 2 to 1.:amuse

As long as Naruto gets a love interest in the end i'm happy, so regardless of what happens i won't complain:D.....unless of course it goes NaruSasu then i would definitely complain.:darn

[Akumakage]

.....unless of course it goes NaruSasu then i would definitely complain.

lol. I think everyone will be. Will if u think about it, he is giving hints about that pair up here and there even though it's only one sided.

@Alterno

I so hope he will introduce someone new when it get backs to developing naruto again. Like few survivors from whirlpool country. Or his relatives from either the mom or dad side. Although chances of relatives surfacing is very slim. Anything but gay pair up will be good for me as long as sakura is not one of them.

[Sharikaaria]

I honestly cannot understand the hype behind Hinata. In the real story, which excludes all the fillers after episode 135 in part 1, Hinata has very little relevance to Naruto compared to Sakura. She viewed Naruto as a role model because she admired his determination. But in terms of helping him, she hardly did much besides inspiring Naruto to fight Neji head-on. And no, this does not indicate any romance between Naruto and Hinata because Naruto has helped many people in the same way, including Inari, Gaara, and many others. Along these lines, we have more reason to believe that Naruto is more attracted to Sasuke or Gaara than Hinata.

As for Sakura, I don't think her bad attitude against Naruto in part 1 determines whether she deserves his love or not. The fact that she changed and came to respect Naruto is much more powerful. She does whatever she can to help him now. When she was healing him after the fourth tail episode with Orochimaru, she sounded sad that she could only help him by fixing his injuries. She's much more relevant to Naruto than Hinata is, and she's definitely done a lot more for him, so I say she deserves his love more.

And I think it could also be argued that she already has his love.. in a sense. He's been crushing on her since the ninja academy days.

[Black/Light]

For the time line, i based my guess on the fact that they had six months to stop orochimaru from getting Sasuke (from chapter 245 to 320somthing). And in that arc, Kabuto states that the transfer time had come. So if 6 months passed that quickly probably more time has passed, we had a couple of arcs since then.

We didn't say Hinata was not important, we said that she didn't interact with Naruto to qualify couple hints. She likes him, but he is more concentrated on Sasuke. In that quest he is very close to Sakura emotionally and they are together most of the screen time (except for the training arc)

It's more the personal opinions that choose naruhina.

I would say that Oro's event happened abit before 6 months. Naruto still had time to train and get the FRS before that day. I see no reason why it would take 6 more months for the rest of this stuff to happen. Once it got out that Oro was gone the leaf got them on the case which started these long spands of chaps focusing on Sas's battles. (yet another retarded thing about this manga. . . time pasts in unknown matters. Really, chap 400 could be 2-3 days past Itachi's death or just afew hours. . .)

At most 6 months I say (and suppositly the only times the team was shown together in the manga didn't completely full that time spand)

I have seen people (MANY people) use importance as a reason against her. "She hasn't been doing blah blah blah and is only in w/e parts of the Manga!" is what I see alot of. The little interaction between them isn't ALL of what we use (Look two pages back to the spoiler tag I had). I mean, there hasn't been much chance for most other characters to shine with Naruto so naturally his team will be seen the most.

It's not a personal opinion that Hinata has and still does love/ like Naruto (again, check things outside of manga chaps. Databook character pages for example) and this is about who you think "Deserves" Naruto's love the most. . .Im starting to see things for Sak basically saying "she is his team member" as a reason (welll, thats what I see when I see people say that she has "been there" for him when we all know they are team mates which means they are suposed to "be there" more than other people regardless).

Pretty clear that I voted Hinata. I did that because I personally think that someone whose goal is to be able to express their long term love to someone deserves said person's love more than someone who has shot said person down countless times and crushed their heart by asking them to find the person they truely love. . .thats what I gather this thread is about from the title.


To say that thats a opinion would be true but the part about Hinata's feelings and goals is pure fact. Sak declaring her love for Sas/ her reaction to him waking from MS mind rape/ her some-what-warming-up-but-not-completely is also fact. How anyone composes these to make up their mind as to "who deserves his love the most" is their opinion in the end.

[transition1]

Who Care if 6month or more has passed?

whatever



Naruto has loved Sakura forever. He supported her and cheered for her and adored her even when
she was weak and scared and mean to him. Even when she was all over Sasuke, Naruto stood by, let her be happy, and supported her with all his heart. Now Sakura is growing up, and seeing that man that Naruto really is. It's the couple that's been forming and growing and developing since volume 1.

Hinata has an adorable, static, little crush on Naruto. Naruto is like her idol. She can barely have a conversation with him. What I want for her is this: I want Hinata to accept that strength has to come from YOURSELF. She can't rely on Naruto to be her strength. I want her to accept Naruto's feelings for Sakura and try to move on. I wish her the best. (I'm fond of NejiHina myself actually)


But something tells me Naruto will not be with Hinata in the futur. If Naruto gets married it will be to someone who dosent have a bloodline. Naruto marrying Hinata not only means the child would have massive chakra but byakugan as well.

Naruto's child will probably be without a bloodline, becoming strong simply by working hard and being determined.

[Marq]

NejiHina? The hell? In fact, NejiHina is far less likely to happen than Naruhina. I doubt kishi would go with a cousin pair. What does naruto's child have to do with a having huge chakra? Do people think the kyubbi's chakra will transfer to naruto's born child or something? Naruto wasn't born with huge normal chakra, seeing as the Kyubbi made im a tank. Who says that Hinata has to accept Naruto's feeling for Sakura? So she just give up on Naruto? She didn't just use him for strength, she looks beyond on that. ..I"m sorry I think it's just pathetic that Naruto is stubborn to keep trying to get sakura. It's just beyond freaking pathetic. So now suddenly Sakura cares? I could careless about the build up. This is a shounen, not a shojo, for it could happen Kishi could throw out their "build up" (hey he's done it before) Seriously I hate that type of message. Be really stubborn, always be friendly and eventually the girl will fall for the main character.

NO NO AND NO.

[lolredy]

Their many places Like Asia That ppl Hook up with their cousins just to tell you... Yeah of course its odd but its not really illegal D;.. and i dont think either The Naruto child will have white eyes LOL

[Askia32]

Romance since the beggining of the manga?Did'nt sakura say that she hated naruto and thought he was annoying in the beggining of the manga?Did'nt sakura say that she loved sasuke so much it hurts,that she would do anything to help him,and that it will be like if she was all alone if sasuke left? She was about to leave the village and get sasuke back all by herself and it did'nt matter to her the danger she was putting herself in,she just wanted sasuke back.So where is the romance between sakura and naruto?because I don't see it.It's more like the love sakura has for sasuke in part 1.
In part 2 she finally sees the pain that naruto has to endure since the beggining of his life.She feels sad/pity for naruto,she tries to take the pain away but then realizes that there is nothing she could for him.The relationship between sakura and naruto has develop to friendship.The things sakura does for naruto are the things that any friend/best friend will do for each other.
Even sasuke did more for naruto in part 1 then sakura did.Sasuke hated naruto as well but he was willing to risk his life/dream to save naruto's life and his dream(ex-the haku fight).He was even one the first people to acknowledge naruto for being strong,they later became like best friends/brothers.It's funny to me because it seems that even sasuke has done more for naruto in part 1 then sakura could ever do in part 1.
I hope naruto goes for the girl who likes him for who he is and will be there for naruto no matter what happens(hinata) and not go for the girl who likes him as a friend and will leave him as soon as the one she loves(sasuke) come back to her arms(sakura).

I explain that, and a whole lot more in my post here
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=666145#post666145


Oh, and a word of advice, if your going to make an argument, don't use the fillers in the argument. Sakura was going to go after Sasuke by herself in the anime fillers, which means it was not part of the real story.

[ttxdragon]

This is neither a 'who got the bigger chest' nor a 'bash the female you dont want naruto to be with' thread.

This thread has been closed on several occassions for going off topic and out of hand, tons of posts have been killed already and slowly but surely this thread might walk towards final termination if we have to continue killing posts because people can't seem to keep to topic without being spammy or insulting to the other side of the argument.

thanks,
ttxdragon.

[kkck]

Personaly I would prefer naruto to end up with sakura but not because she is perfect but because there simply is noone else. I would like to say naruto should end up with x girl but come on, the most caracter development a girl ever had in the manga was hinata being beated up by neji and that fight wasnt even about hinata, it was about neji.

[bean]

Personaly I would prefer naruto to end up with sakura but not because she is perfect but because there simply is noone else. I would like to say naruto should end up with x girl but come on, the most caracter development a girl ever had in the manga was hinata being beated up by neji and that fight wasnt even about hinata, it was about neji.


then you must not have read the manga right...kishi showcased hinata turning into something naruto admired...despite being beat to a pulp, she didn't give up, and mostly because of naruto... Also, just because she hasn't had much development compared to other characters doesn't mean she won't become naruto's girl. Kishi has pretty much made it clear since the beginning that sakura only has eyes for sasuke, and though she has thrown some flirts over at naruto, that's pretty much as far as it's going to go...if nothing has happened by now, the only way something would ever happen is if sasuke dies...

[lolredy]

then you must not have read the manga right...kishi showcased hinata turning into something naruto admired...despite being beat to a pulp, she didn't give up, and mostly because of naruto... Also, just because she hasn't had much development compared to other characters doesn't mean she won't become naruto's girl. Kishi has pretty much made it clear since the beginning that sakura only has eyes for sasuke, and though she has thrown some flirts over at naruto, that's pretty much as far as it's going to go...if nothing has happened by now, the only way something would ever happen is if sasuke dies...



Read part 2 again plox

Kishi has pretty much made too to make that Sakura start to love Naruto

That being said, i think naruto and sakura are the most likely. Yea, although sakura's feelings havent been really cemented in any hardcore fashion this part so far, what i'm thinking is, she realized the futility of chasing after sasuke, during the timeskip or maybe even before after he left. Notice how, when in the hospital, Sakura tells Naruto its alright that he didn't get to Sasuke? My reasoning for that is, she probably already gave up hope, and it was Naruto's words of getting Sasuke back that made her reconsider that decision.

However, now...its all going down the drain, as things are spiraling, and naruto is on a one way ticket to destruction with his obsession and Sauce is nowhere in his sights..


To SasuSaku to happen Naruto need to die

[bean]

Read part 2 again plox

Kishi has pretty much made too to make that Sakura start to love Naruto

That being said, i think naruto and sakura are the most likely. Yea, although sakura's feelings havent been really cemented in any hardcore fashion this part so far, what i'm thinking is, she realized the futility of chasing after sasuke, during the timeskip or maybe even before after he left. Notice how, when in the hospital, Sakura tells Naruto its alright that he didn't get to Sasuke? My reasoning for that is, she probably already gave up hope, and it was Naruto's words of getting Sasuke back that made her reconsider that decision.

However, now...its all going down the drain, as things are spiraling, and naruto is on a one way ticket to destruction with his obsession and Sauce is nowhere in his sights..


To SasuSaku to happen Naruto need to die

she told him that because she saw what was happening to him...she doesn't want to lose naruto either.

[tyu12345]

Well, it's unclear with her feelings with Sasuke. She's not like, "OMG! Sasuke-kun! Make love to meh!" anymore

[kkck]

then you must not have read the manga right...kishi showcased hinata turning into something naruto admired...despite being beat to a pulp, she didn't give up, and mostly because of naruto... Also, just because she hasn't had much development compared to other characters doesn't mean she won't become naruto's girl. Kishi has pretty much made it clear since the beginning that sakura only has eyes for sasuke, and though she has thrown some flirts over at naruto, that's pretty much as far as it's going to go...if nothing has happened by now, the only way something would ever happen is if sasuke dies...

I simply tried to say that girls dont get a lot of caracter development. Besides hinata being beated to pulp and then saying "Now Im stronger, make love to me naruto" isnt really a lot of caracter development. Of course a change in attitude is something but in the end after that fight we ended up knowing more about neji than about hinata.

Also you should re-read part II because sakura has grown a lot since part I and no longer worships sasuke in the same way she used to. You should also notice that naruto and sakura get along considerably better than in part I as they know hang out together when they are not on missions. Also it has been subtly implied that sakura might be developing feelings for naruto.

[Jehuty]

I simply tried to say that girls dont get a lot of caracter development. Besides hinata being beated to pulp and then saying "Now Im stronger, make love to me naruto" isnt really a lot of caracter development. Of course a change in attitude is something but in the end after that fight we ended up knowing more about neji than about hinata.

Also you should re-read part II because sakura has grown a lot since part I and no longer worships sasuke in the same way she used to. You should also notice that naruto and sakura get along considerably better than in part I as they know hang out together when they are not on missions. Also it has been subtly implied that sakura might be developing feelings for naruto.
While I feel NaruSaku is inevitable, I feel it is poor character development on the part of Kishimoto.

Naruto starts out with feelings for Sakura despite the fact that she treats him like shit and worships Sasuke. It's closer to lust. It may grow a bit deeper, but it's still the same shit as before - she treats him like dirt, he strives for her affection. So what, at the end of the series, he does get his completely poorly based crush? What is that?

You might say Hinata's got Hero Worship going on with Naruto, but look at the difference: Upon the introduction of Sakura, Naruto says, "What a babe!" She outright states that she hates Naruto and, unlike a rational person who would instead say, "Fine, screw you too, bitch," Naruto continues after this woman who hates him. Hinata loves Naruto - loves him for his character, and the deepest part of his character, as a matter of fact. She loves the way he never gives up, the way he strives against all odds. It's not superficial. Lee and Sakura both say that they're a lot alike. Naruto has never needed to prove anything to Hinata, unlike every-damn-body in the village, including Iruka, Kakashi, and Jiraiya. To me, it would seem that Hinata getting her well-founded ambition would be much more satisfying than Naruto getting his shallow desire.

Naruto realizing Hinata's worth after all this time would show great growth on his part, the maturity and foresight to see past the superficial that is needed to lead a large community. Otherwise, Shikamaru would be better suited to be Hokage.

But alas, such won't be the case. A shame.

[nat]

While I feel NaruSaku is inevitable, I feel it is poor character development on the part of Kishimoto.

Naruto starts out with feelings for Sakura despite the fact that she treats him like shit and worships Sasuke. It's closer to lust. It may grow a bit deeper, but it's still the same shit as before - she treats him like dirt, he strives for her affection. So what, at the end of the series, he does get his completely poorly based crush? What is that?

You might say Hinata's got Hero Worship going on with Naruto, but look at the difference: Upon the introduction of Sakura, Naruto says, "What a babe!" She outright states that she hates Naruto and, unlike a rational person who would instead say, "Fine, screw you too, bitch," Naruto continues after this woman who hates him. Hinata loves Naruto - loves him for his character, and the deepest part of his character, as a matter of fact. She loves the way he never gives up, the way he strives against all odds. It's not superficial. Lee and Sakura both say that they're a lot alike. Naruto has never needed to prove anything to Hinata, unlike every-damn-body in the village, including Iruka, Kakashi, and Jiraiya. To me, it would seem that Hinata getting her well-founded ambition would be much more satisfying than Naruto getting his shallow desire.

Naruto realizing Hinata's worth after all this time would show great growth on his part, the maturity and foresight to see past the superficial that is needed to lead a large community. Otherwise, Shikamaru would be better suited to be Hokage.

But alas, such won't be the case. A shame.

Shikamaru, the pimp Kage:p...lolz.

You have made a strong point, but I don't agree. For the fact that you are still comparing the Naruto/sakura relationship to the first part. It has changed a lot since then. In fact it has changed so much, that Sakura wanted to get stronger not only for Sasuke's sake but also for Naruto. He might have crushed on her for a long time, but feelings evolve in closeness. And the way I see it, in the manga they are very close. they share the same dreams, hopes and missions too.

Sakura knows his power, respects his limits and watches out for him. For example, the fight against Orochimaru and Kabuto. She got all teary, and self-hating because she couldn't help much.

But her attitude changed in the fight against madara, when naruto's attack got deflected, Hinata was about to faint and was like "oooh,Naruto-kun" ,Sakura told her that Naruto wouldn't get hurt from something like that (can't remember the exact words). This shows that she sees his power and knows when to stop him and when to let him do his thing.

So saying she doesn't care, or that she doesn't deserve him because of that is not true. Hinata always had a soft spot for him, she influenced him in the fight against neji the same way he was influenced by Haku and other characters.

[transition1]

1: aw, how cute, naruto has a crush. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_088/)
2: naruto seemingly (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_099/) reads sakura's mind (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_100/)
3: look, naruto's fallen out of his crush. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_101/)
4: sasuke - "I won't let those dear to me die(noone in particular, just the idea of someone close to him)" (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/12/)
5: naruto drawing strength (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/13/) from sasukes, and other's words. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/14/)
6: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/134/11/)
7: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/06/)
8: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/136/08/)
9: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/13/)
10: sasuke - "naruto, sakura is safe" naruto takes a nap. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/17/)
11: naruto sees the pain sakura feels at sasuke's departure. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/12/)
12: naruto, pained to see sakura cry, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/13/) vows to bring back her smile, even at the cost of his own happiness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/14/)
13: seeing the pain naruto is in because of his promise to her, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/11/) she puts on a fake smile, to try to passify him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/12/)
14: naruto, seeing through the fake smile, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/13/) renews his vow to sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/14/)
15: moved by naruto's words, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/15/) sakura makes her own vow, to naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/17/)
16: it is her vow to naruto, that spurns her to become stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/18/)
17. sakura flirts with naruto, she herself, being interested romantically in naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/245/14/)
18. naruto asks sakura out on a date, and she doesn't refuse, she accepts. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/247/03/)
18.5 the anime expands the scene to show sakura regretting not going with naruto to the ramen stand.
19: sakura takes charge, and naruto admires how she's grown. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/253/17/)
20: sakura shows (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/02/) genuine concern (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/03/) for naruto, and naruto being a jinchuuriki. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/05/)
21: sakura tries to find a way to save naruto from his fate. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/06/)
22: sakura is pained, learning that she can do nothing to stop akatsuki from going after naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/08/)
23: sakura makes a confession, only to be interrupted by the one she wishes to protect. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/09/)
24: sakura feels her own pain, seeing naruto hurt and crying. she recognizes the pain that he must have felt all the years he was growing up, alone. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/278/15/)
25. sakura spares naruto the shame (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/06/) of attacking sai, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/07/) and takes on that shame herself. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/09/)
26. sakura takes inspiration from naruto's words, in order to work with sai. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/289/07/)
27. perhaps naruto understands what sai may be talking about? and so chooses to interrupt him, so he can see if bringing back sasuke, will bring back her smile. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/289/08/)
28. remembering the boy he was, sakura feels a pain in her heart, at the sight of this monster infront of her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/02/)
29. the realization that naruto is going so far, to the gates of hell as it were, for her, to bring back sasuke, and her smile, brings a tear to sakura's eye. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/05/)
30. kabuto - "What a sad kid..." those words cause the pain in sakura's heart to grow. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/06/)
31. she charges forward, not thinking, of herself, of sasuke, of anything but the transformed boy infront of her. she offers to release him from his promise, if it'll bring him back to her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/07/)
32. sakura pushes through her own pain, so she can do what she can for naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/07/)
33. once again, she tries to find a way to do more, for naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/08/)
34. the realization that she can do no more(physically) for naruto, causes her sorrow. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/10/)
35. yamato, noticing her upset at being up able to help the boy, recognizes the pain she feels at the "uselessness" she bears towards protecting naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/11/)
36. she shows genuine joy at naruto's awakening. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/12/)
37. sakura's instincts to take care of naruto after he drops. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/14/)
38. she seems to show more concern (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/15/) for naruto's wellbeing then the mission. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/16/)
39. she tries to spare naruto's feelings with a "little white lie." (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/05/)
40. naruto's pain, at realizing (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/07/) behind sakura's injury. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/08/)
41. after nearly 3 years, all he has to say to her is "Ah, it's sakura."(the anime i believe doesn't even give him an amused tone) (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/07/)
42. sasuke locks eyes with naruto, not even giving sakura a second thought. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/16-17/)
43. she remembers her vow to naruto, before she charges sasuke(fully intent on bashing his pretty face into the ground). (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/308/06/)
44. with neither shock nor hurt, he turns to stab sakura, before yamato steps in the way. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/308/07/)
45. sasuke shows no concern what so ever if his body is taken over by orochimaru. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/10/)
46. sasuke, as he was before, is still more concerned with revenge then anything, or anyone, else in the world. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/11/)
47. sakura, with her own tears, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/310/05/) renews her vow to naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/310/06/)



and there much more of course >.> just a big part of it

[bean]

wow....just wow...that's a bit too much, no?

[transition1]

wow....just wow...that's a bit too much, no?


You think? i though it wasnt enought :amuse



PS:Thankyou for the thanks

[nat]

@ Transition1
Aha!....you forgot the fact that Sasuke gave her a split second to run before trying to stab her, and he didn't give that to the others.hmmm, must be his way of showing love...Oh wait he gave Naruto 5 whole minutes......arghhh

...Besides Even if Sasuke loved her (which I think he does), he is an Avenger and socially retarded as well. Same as Naruto.

Btw, I am a team 7 fan. I love narusaku as much as I Love sasusaku and sasunaru ...and that's a lot..

[Jehuty]

Shikamaru, the pimp Kage:p...lolz.

You have made a strong point, but I don't agree. For the fact that you are still comparing the Naruto/sakura relationship to the first part. It has changed a lot since then. In fact it has changed so much, that Sakura wanted to get stronger not only for Sasuke's sake but also for Naruto. He might have crushed on her for a long time, but feelings evolve in closeness. And the way I see it, in the manga they are very close. they share the same dreams, hopes and missions too.

Sakura knows his power, respects his limits and watches out for him. For example, the fight against Orochimaru and Kabuto. She got all teary, and self-hating because she couldn't help much.

But her attitude changed in the fight against madara, when naruto's attack got deflected, Hinata was about to faint and was like "oooh,Naruto-kun" ,Sakura told her that Naruto wouldn't get hurt from something like that (can't remember the exact words). This shows that she sees his power and knows when to stop him and when to let him do his thing.

So saying she doesn't care, or that she doesn't deserve him because of that is not true. Hinata always had a soft spot for him, she influenced him in the fight against neji the same way he was influenced by Haku and other characters.
Of course she cares, that's the whole thing, he had to prove something to her. He had to do it, just like with every other person in the village... except Hinata. She's always loved him just the way he is. Naruto has the special power... he makes everyone believe in him. Sakura's just another.

It's just too lame and generic for my tastes. Thank you for locking creativity in a box, Kishimoto, and throwing it out the window.

[nat]

He didn't lock anything. There are no pairings so far, and might not be for a long long time.

He gave hints here and there for all couples. You like naruhina you have it, narusaku also, Sasu/all villains/kunoichi you can prolly find something. The only cannon we had was Asuma/Kurenai (between living characters at the time).....

[Jehuty]

He didn't lock anything. There is no pairing so far, and might not be for a long long time.

He gave hints here and there for all couples. You like naruhina you have it, narusaku also, Sasu/all villains/kunoichi you can prolly find something. The only cannon we had was Asuma/Kurenai (between living characters at the time).....
I love NaruHina, by far my favorite... but it seems that the series is leaning towards NaruSaku.

Unfortunate.

[transition1]

1. all sasuke had to say to sakura, when she showed how worried she was, when she thought he was dead, was "you're heavy". looked more like he was annoyed. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/33/naruto_33_02/)
2. this could be taken as sasuke acting on pride, not any feelings he may or may not have for sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/55/18-19/)
3. Iruka explaining the "motto" at the end of the FoD, and showing/foreshadowing that naruto and sakura are what the other lacks. in a sense, they complete each other. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/64/10/)
4. sakura's genuine concern for sasuke. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/10/)
5. sasuke's rejection of her concern for him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/11/) and again. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/12/)
6. he's grouping both naruto and sakura together as "people dear" to him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/12/)
7. everytime(durring this fight), that naruto feels he is in over his head, he thinks of sakura in danger, and comes back stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/134/11/)
8. sasuke doesn't even stay to make sure sakura's alright, he has the dog watch over her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/11/)
9. only being able to use his chin to pull himself forward, naruto still continues on. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/15/)
10. only after sasuke tells naruto that sakura is safe, does naruto relax, and succumb to sleep. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/17/)
11. naruto, seeing sakura happy, decides to leave, and let them be, even though the sight of her hugging him, causes him some pain. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/172/16/)
12. yet again, sasuke rejects sakura's kindness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/173/16/)
13. naruto reassures sakura, atleast partly, to see her smile again. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/178/16/)
14. the first thing he says to her, is a subtle insult. then he acts coldly towards her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/06/)
15. she acknowledges that sasuke has never let her get any closer to him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/07/)
16. perhaps it wasn't important enough for him to remember? (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/09/)
17. he is basically telling her, that he can't love her, because there is no room in his heart for love. it is only filled with hatred. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/12/)
18. he considers her words for no more then a moment, still continuing with his choice to leave, regardless if it means causing someone else to feel the pain he felt. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/13/)
19. she offers to throw away, that which he misses from his past. essentially telling him that her family and friends mean less to her then he does. she is basically, and unknowingly, throwing away everything he held dear. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/14/)
20. he reaffirms his ideal that she is annoying. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/15/)
21. he says "thank you" after she threatens to scream. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/17/) so what does it mean? "Thanks for caring?" "Thanks for the good times?" "Thanks but no thanks?" "Thanks for letting your guard down?" it could be any one of those.
22. the pain naruto feels, hearing the one that he cares for, crying over someone else. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/12/)
23. sakura's realization that naruto, better then anyone, understands loneliness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/13/)
24. of the 3 flashback panels, 2 of them involve/relate to sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/05/)
25. sakura trying to defuse the pain she sees in naruto's eyes, by forcing a smile. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/12/)
26. sakura's (possible) fear, seeing how far naruto went this time, wondering how far he'll go next time. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/14/)
27. she makes a promise to naruto. one that goes along with his PoaLT. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/17/)
28. she vows, and takes action, to become stronger to protect/save the boys she loves. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/18/)

[Jammin]

@transition1
You know on all the Naruto pairing threads I've ended up looking through I've seen many people site a few relevant parts here and there(myself included), but i think you are are the first one to actually put descriptions and links to every single relevant section. I'm impressed.

[Askia32]

@transition1
You know on all the Naruto pairing threads I've ended up looking through I've seen many people site a few relevant parts here and there(myself included), but i think you are are the first one to actually put descriptions and links to every single relevant section. I'm impressed.

Yea, that was amazing. Very good points. Don't let Bean get to you either, he's just mad because your right.

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I dont think sakura really like naruto that way its more like a brother thing to me.
remember when sakura found out he had nine tails in him and people wanted to kill him she change the subject right back to sasuke aint that a bit*h so to me sakura and naruto is not going to happen as long as sasuke is alive it wont even happen if sasuke dies because sakura would think of sasuke even more.
Hinata and naruto theres a chance for that to happen if hinata gets more time in the manga.

Oh and just because someone gets mad because someone is crying or hurt that doesnt automatically hint to romance. Naruto would get mad at anyone who hurts his friends just like how luffy gets mad if you hurt his friends.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/1/naruto_v01_ch001_053/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/27/Naruto27-17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/81/07/
alot more but im lazy to go find pics where naruto gets mad over something...

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i'm about 99% sure that naruto has a better chance of staying a bachelor then ending up with hinata.

choujiXIno has a better chance of happening than NaruHina



btw thanks guys :D

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i'm about 99% sure that naruto has a better chance of staying a bachelor then ending up with hinata.

choujiXIno has a better chance of happening than NaruHina

im pretty sure the manga will end without any couples being formed.

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im pretty sure the manga will end without any couples being formed.


Maybe i guess. But Kishi said there will be one equited love

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Maybe i guess. But Kishi said there will be one equited love

Hmm I guess we'll found out later down the road then but I hope it doesn't end in a cliche.

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1. all sasuke had to say to sakura, when she showed how worried she was, when she thought he was dead, was "you're heavy". looked more like he was annoyed. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/33/naruto_33_02/)
2. this could be taken as sasuke acting on pride, not any feelings he may or may not have for sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/55/18-19/)
3. Iruka explaining the "motto" at the end of the FoD, and showing/foreshadowing that naruto and sakura are what the other lacks. in a sense, they complete each other. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/64/10/)
4. sakura's genuine concern for sasuke. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/10/)
5. sasuke's rejection of her concern for him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/11/) and again. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/12/)
6. he's grouping both naruto and sakura together as "people dear" to him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/12/)
7. everytime(durring this fight), that naruto feels he is in over his head, he thinks of sakura in danger, and comes back stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/134/11/)
8. sasuke doesn't even stay to make sure sakura's alright, he has the dog watch over her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/11/)
9. only being able to use his chin to pull himself forward, naruto still continues on. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/15/)
10. only after sasuke tells naruto that sakura is safe, does naruto relax, and succumb to sleep. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/17/)
11. naruto, seeing sakura happy, decides to leave, and let them be, even though the sight of her hugging him, causes him some pain. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/172/16/)
12. yet again, sasuke rejects sakura's kindness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/173/16/)
13. naruto reassures sakura, atleast partly, to see her smile again. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/178/16/)
14. the first thing he says to her, is a subtle insult. then he acts coldly towards her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/06/)
15. she acknowledges that sasuke has never let her get any closer to him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/07/)
16. perhaps it wasn't important enough for him to remember? (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/09/)
17. he is basically telling her, that he can't love her, because there is no room in his heart for love. it is only filled with hatred. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/12/)
18. he considers her words for no more then a moment, still continuing with his choice to leave, regardless if it means causing someone else to feel the pain he felt. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/13/)
19. she offers to throw away, that which he misses from his past. essentially telling him that her family and friends mean less to her then he does. she is basically, and unknowingly, throwing away everything he held dear. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/14/)
20. he reaffirms his ideal that she is annoying. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/15/)
21. he says "thank you" after she threatens to scream. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/17/) so what does it mean? "Thanks for caring?" "Thanks for the good times?" "Thanks but no thanks?" "Thanks for letting your guard down?" it could be any one of those.
22. the pain naruto feels, hearing the one that he cares for, crying over someone else. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/12/)
23. sakura's realization that naruto, better then anyone, understands loneliness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/13/)
24. of the 3 flashback panels, 2 of them involve/relate to sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/05/)
25. sakura trying to defuse the pain she sees in naruto's eyes, by forcing a smile. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/12/)
26. sakura's (possible) fear, seeing how far naruto went this time, wondering how far he'll go next time. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/14/)
27. she makes a promise to naruto. one that goes along with his PoaLT. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/17/)
28. she vows, and takes action, to become stronger to protect/save the boys she loves. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/18/)

The links are very well good and your research is well thought of, Bravo :clap.

But in some cases, the interpretation of the panels is ambiguous. People can see them as they want. For example, the "thank you" part could have had more meanings.

The way I'd like to think of it is that Sasuke does care, but he can't show it because he is stuck in a situation where love is not an option. Neither for him, nor for the one(s) he loves. He will drag them in the whole mess (which they are already in, but he doesn't wanna bear the guilt of being the main reason.)

Naruto is a bit more open in that area, he is willing to accept others' help, Sasuke isn't.
Just a random thought...:)

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The links are very well good and your research is well thought of, Bravo :clap.

But in some cases, the interpretation of the panels is ambiguous. People can see them as they want. For example, the "thank you" part could have had more meanings.

The way I'd like to think of it is that Sasuke does care, but he can't show it because he is stuck in a situation where love is not an option. Neither for him, nor for the one(s) he loves. He will drag them in the whole mess (which they are already in, but he doesn't wanna bear the guilt of being the main reason.)

Naruto is a bit more open in that area, he is willing to accept others' help, Sasuke isn't.
Just a random thought...:)



Maybe Sasuke Does care but maybe he dont give a shit too. It just i pity of Sakura i hope she can deserve better than him lolz

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Maybe Sasuke Does care but maybe he dont give a shit too. It just i pity of Sakura i hope she can get better than him lolz

She can his name is Lee. Lee needs love too

[nat]

Maybe Sasuke Does care but maybe he dont give a shit too. It just i pity of Sakura i hope she can deserve better than him lolz

How can he care and not give a shit in the same time? That's not possible.
either he does or he doesn't. For the emotional retard that he is, he showed hints of jealousy when Naruto rescued Sakura from Gaara.

And please, Not Lee. Leesaku has the same chance of happening as Shino/Kiba.
besides we are going off-topic.

[Askia32]

Lee can have Ten-Ten.

Oh and Stop, I love the name.

But when you talk about how Sakura reverted the conversation to Sasuke after Naruto verbally expressed that he had the nine tails inside of him for the first time to someone with out them already knowing, and that person he told was Sakura(granted their we're other people around when he told her). Sorry, had to throw that in their.

When Naruto said it, Sakura had a small moment of shock, than she seemed sad as if something that she thought might be the case has been realized. This tells me that Sakura wasn't only doing research about Sasuke, but also Naruto.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/252/05/

Also, Sakura has a flashback of the whole village facing against Naruto. The only person who has ever had that flashback was Naruto. This shows how Sakura really is understanding Naruto to the fullest.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/252/06/

Yes, than Sakura also talks about Sasuke, but than thinks to herself, this time, she's going to protect both of them.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/252/19/

Also, when, Sakura is talking to Sai, she tells him that Naruto views Sasuke as a brother. No one else in the manga has given a clearer insight about Naruto and Sasuke, from Naruto's point of view.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/288/17/

And Naruto confirms that here.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/229/14-15/
(Read a couple pages before to get the full picture)

E-nat also explained how Sakura understands Naruto and trusts in his ability in their latest encounter with Madara. I'll take it a step further though. When ever Sasuke was in a fight back when Sakura was infactuated with him, she was always scared. With Naruto, like I said, Sakura trusts in his ability. Also, if you notice that Sakura shows this faith in Naruto in the very next chapter of Kushina being shown.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/02/

Sakura even showed that faith in Naruto here, where the opponent looked freakin crazy, and Kakashi was looking pretty torn up. Naruto said he would handle him, and Sakura says "you can do it" before she leaves.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/338/04/

Think about it, do you think Kushina was sitting worrying about the 4th in all of his battles, I doubt it. I bet they we're a powerful combo. And I bet Kushina had complete trust in the 4th's ability, because she probably understood the 4th better than anyone else.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/382/10/
Thats the sense I get from seeing her in these couple of pages.

I say all this because, Sakura understands Naruto on so many different levels, in which no else has been shown to have such a complete understanding of Naruto. In part one, we got to see how Naruto really understands Sakura, and her feelings, which Translation1 has just shown, and in part 2, we see more of how Sakura understands Naruto and his feelings.

Naruto will hook up with someone, and that someone will be Sakura. A relationship in which has been being built since the beginning of the series.

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Transition1 also explained how Sakura understands Naruto and trusts in his ability in their latest encounter with Madara. I'll take it a step further though. When ever Sasuke was in a fight back when Sakura was infactuated with him, she was always scared. With Naruto, like I said, Sakura trusts in his ability. Also, if you notice that Sakura shows this faith in Naruto in the very next



Lol, Actually I think I said it before...Sorry if I am mistaken.



But her attitude changed in the fight against madara, when naruto's attack got deflected, Hinata was about to faint and was like "oooh,Naruto-kun" ,Sakura told her that Naruto wouldn't get hurt from something like that (can't remember the exact words). This shows that she sees his power and knows when to stop him and when to let him do his thing.

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How can he care and not give a shit in the same time? That's not possible.
either he does or he doesn't. For the emotional retard that he is, he showed hints of jealousy when Naruto rescued Sakura from Gaara.

And please, Not Lee. Leesaku has the same chance of happening as Shino/Kiba.
besides we are going off-topic.

I think that jealousy came from naruto being stronger then him remember how pissed off he was later on about how much *stronger* naruto was or w.e and the lee thing was a joke I didn't really mean that and I think Shino and kiba would make a great couple.
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Lee can have Ten-Ten.
Oh and Stop, I love the name.


Thank you I like it too. I had to reread that my name confused me....

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I would be kinda lame if Naruto hooked up with a side character.

and from the looks of it, some people are too passionate about this topic.

[kaizokumarcee]

I voted for Hinata. She's prettier.
But the story is pointing out to Sakura. :p

[Marq]

Yea, that was amazing. Very good points. Don't let Bean get to you either, he's just mad because your right.

way to make a hasty assumption about someone else. Good points, but it can be seen both ways.

[Alterno]

Well... this things about Naruto are intense but when I created this thread I didn't do it to get people to insult each other, so please cut it right now. I have gave many reasons of why Hinata deserves Naruto and even with Sakura being nice with Naruto she still not convince me. The romantics moments that we have seen between them have always Sasuke in the middle, as trigger. In the other hand something that I really like is that after being away for years and having less time with Naruto, Hinata still have the same feelings for Naruto.

Something that I really hated was that Sakura didn't bother to look for Naruto after hearing from Tsunade that he returned to Konoha, imo starting with the wrong feet again. This Naruto and Hinata vs Sakura and Hinata is something that is really cool to see in a shounen manga. I have never seen a shounen manga being read by females much as Naruto, maybe Inuyasha...

A double triangle of love or a rectangule?, call it as you wish. In my personal opinion Sakura loves Sasuke and Naruto already acknowledge and accepted that, even if we have seen trying his luck a little... hehe. My only hope is that whatever Kishimoto decides to do with them... we don't get to know the outcome without knowing how it happened, that would pretty much ruin everything.

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No one deserves love in the story-world. It's obviously different in real life than in a mangaka's mind.
No one gets a girl as a trophy, because he "deserves it". No, the character develops with others, making love in a story-sense "believable" and then those two characters get together.
It's different in real life. But I'm not talking about real life, I'm talking about a comic.

No one deserves love, No one deserves anything. some religions believe that we, as humans, are born into this world as sinners. and sinners deserve only one thing, and that is a trip to hell. love is given. love is a gift, not an award for hard work. and sometimes people choose who they give their love to, and sometimes they don't.

listen to the song "If Everyone Cared" by Nickleback. it's talking about what you think you're talking about. it says "If everyone cared, and nobody cried, if everyone loved and nobody lied, if everyone shared and swollowed their pride, then we'd see the day, when nobody died." that doesn't mean, "Everyone deserves love." it means, "if everyone gave love to someone else(doesn't even have to be romantic love), then the world would be a better place."

[Jammin]

A double triangle of love or a rectangule?, call it as you wish. In my personal opinion Sakura loves Sasuke and Naruto already acknowledge and accepted that, even if we have seen trying his luck a little... hehe. My only hope is that whatever Kishimoto decides to do with them... we don't get to know the outcome without knowing how it happened, that would pretty much ruin everything.Oddly enough i agree with this, except of course the "Sakura loves Sasuke" part. Naruto's attempts to win Sakura's affections have been a lot more half hearted ever since she begged him to bring Sasuke back near the end of part 1.:amuse

The place where we seem to differ is how Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke feel about each other now 2 and 1/2 years later. I don't think Sasuke really feels emotionally connected to anyone right now, with the possible exception of Naruto. Sasuke very rarely showed anything resembling affection for Sakura before, so now that he has spent years trying to eliminate all traces of the bonds of all kinds i have to doubt he's carrying much of a torch for her assuming he ever did.:)

Sakura seems to be very connected to Naruto at the moment, more so than everyone else around her. A connection that has strengthened considerably since part 2 began, and i think is likely to strengthen further. She certainly still feels a strong bond to Sasuke, as shown by her desire to bring him back, but her goal in doing so has changed from "I want to be with him" to "I want the three of us to be together again". The factor that has changed is Naruto and i think that's significant.;)

My take on Naruto is that he believes that Sasuke is what Sakura really wants. His feeling are the same as always but he's not the type of person to place the importance of his happiness above that of others. Which is why all his developments with Sakura seem to take him by complete surprise.:amuse

[Askia32]

Well... this things about Naruto are intense but when I created this thread I didn't do it to get people to insult each other, so please cut it right now. I have gave many reasons of why Hinata deserves Naruto and even with Sakura being nice with Naruto she still not convince me. The romantics moments that we have seen between them have always Sasuke in the middle, as trigger. In the other hand something that I really like is that after being away for years and having less time with Naruto, Hinata still have the same feelings for Naruto.

Something that I really hated was that Sakura didn't bother to look for Naruto after hearing from Tsunade that he returned to Konoha, imo starting with the wrong feet again. This Naruto and Hinata vs Sakura and Hinata is something that is really cool to see in a shounen manga. I have never seen a shounen manga being read by females much as Naruto, maybe Inuyasha...

A double triangle of love or a rectangule?, call it as you wish. In my personal opinion Sakura loves Sasuke and Naruto already acknowledge and accepted that, even if we have seen trying his luck a little... hehe. My only hope is that whatever Kishimoto decides to do with them... we don't get to know the outcome without knowing how it happened, that would pretty much ruin everything.

Sakura didn't bother going to find Naruto when he first came back? Then it must be a pretty big coincidence for Sakura to be taking a walk with Tsunade, a second after Tsunade tells her Naruto has returned. Besides, if Sakura just came running out to him, it would not of shown Sakura's new maturity in which Kishi was trying to present.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Sasuke is the trigger for all the moments that Naruto and Sakura share. But, they are both giving their all in trying to bring Sasuke back, in which Naruto is driving it more than Sakura is, so their moments have came in the process of trying to get their third teammate back. And with some of the moments, it shows how Naruto makes her feel more secure, and makes her feel apart of the team. Things Sasuke never did.
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way to make a hasty assumption about someone else. Good points, but it can be seen both ways.

That was more of a joke. Didn't expect anyone to take me serious, especially someone who is not Bean.

[Marq]

Sakura didn't bother going to find Naruto when he first came back? Then it must be a pretty big coincidence for Sakura to be taking a walk with Tsunade, a second after Tsunade tells her Naruto has returned. Besides, if Sakura just came running out to him, it would not of shown Sakura's new maturity in which Kishi was trying to present.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Sasuke is the trigger for all the moments that Naruto and Sakura share. But, they are both giving their all in trying to bring Sasuke back, in which Naruto is driving it more than Sakura is, so their moments have came in the process of trying to get their third teammate back. And with some of the moments, it shows how Naruto makes her feel more secure, and makes her feel apart of the team. Things Sasuke never did.
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That was more of a joke. Didn't expect anyone to take me serious, especially someone who is not Bean.

Ah I apologize. Sorry after this whole heated discussion and some of the bashing of the characters, it just got ugly... I guess I still need to get away from the transition of NF/MH. Even though I've been here for a year.

But I'll admit.. that list of evidence is really nice work. Even the naruhina fan in me is gritting teeth and saying.. damn..

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@ Askia.

Wow. you are really cold. How Sakura shows maturity by not going to receive a friend who have been away from town for several years?. A friend who risked his life saving her, a friend who tried his best to bring back the beloved person of this girl.... i don't understand that as maturity, I understand that as being ungrateful person.

In my sick mind pretty much...

Tsunade: Hey Sakura, naruto returned to Konoha?
Sakura: Naruto, who?
Tsunade: The kid who risked his life saving you from Jinkurichi, the guy who tried to bring back your beloved Sasuke..
Sakura: Ahhh... ok now I rememenber, and ?
Tsunade: Nevermind, I'm going to walk around for awhile.
Sakura: Ok, i'll go with you. After all I need to get to the candy shop.
Tsunade: You should go and receive Naruto.
Sakura: Don't worry, 40 chapters later I'll run to meet with Sasuke.

Maturity, no way, not even due shyness. She is just an ungrateful person. Period. There's a reason of why Kishimoto decided to do it in that way.

[Jammin]

Wow. you are really cold. How Sakura shows maturity by not going to receive a friend who have been away from town for several years?. A friend who risked his life saving her, a friend who tried his best to bring back the beloved person of this girl.... i don't understand that as maturity, I understand that as being ungrateful person.I don't agree that Sakura didn't look for Naruto when he returned. She and Tsunade were out in the middle of a street looking around seconds after she heard he was back. How am i supposed to think that she wasn't looking for Naruto? I suppose she didn't go straight to him, but then again she probably couldn't it's a big village. She knew was he was he back but that doesn't mean she knew where inside the village he was.

[Alterno]

I don't agree that Sakura didn't look for Naruto when he returned. She and Tsunade were out in the middle of a street looking around seconds after she heard he was back. How am i supposed to think that she wasn't looking for Naruto? I suppose she didn't go straight to him, but then again she probably couldn't. It's a big village, she knew was he was he back but that doesn't mean she knew where inside the village he was.

Maybe because she even wasn't on her way to the gates. But something that I really like and Kishimoto always have a reason for what he do. Naruto decided to go and eat ramen instead of looking for Sakura.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/245/12/

[nat]

I don't agree that Sakura didn't look for Naruto when he returned. She and Tsunade were out in the middle of a street looking around seconds after she heard he was back. How am i supposed to think that she wasn't looking for Naruto? I suppose she didn't go straight to him, but then again she probably couldn't it's a big village. She knew was he was he back but that doesn't mean she knew where inside the village he was.



I though she didn't know exactly when he was coming back, I mean they knew the rough date. Like in which week but not the exact day. I might be wrong though.

[Jammin]

Maybe because she even wasn't on her way to the gates. But something that I really like and Kishimoto always have a reason for what he do. Naruto decided to go and eat ramen instead of looking for Sakura.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/245/12/There is nothing i know of indicating that Sakura knew he was coming back that day. Also he was already inside the village when she heard about his return, the gate of the village is the one place she knew he definitely wouldn't be. In fact if she wanted to find him she would have waited between the gate and the ramen shop. Which is exactly where she was waiting for him in the manga.:amuse

As for Naruto choosing to eat ramen before going looking for Sakura, what does that matter? We already clearly know, more or less, how Naruto feels about Sakura. So i don't really see how Naruto being hungry means anything.:)

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There is nothing i know of indicating that Sakura knew he was coming back that day. Also he was already inside the village when she heard about his return, the gate of the village is the one place she knew he definitely wouldn't be. In fact if she wanted to find him she would have waited between the gate and the ramen shop. Which is exactly where she was waiting for him in the manga.:amuse

As for Naruto choosing to eat ramen before going looking for Sakura, what does that matter? We already clearly know, more or less, how Naruto feels about Sakura. So i don't really see how Naruto being hungry means anything.:)

She was not waiting at the ramen shop naruto found sakura when he was heading to the ramen shop.

[Jammin]

She was not waiting at the ramen shop naruto found sakura when he was heading to the ramen shop.Which is why i said "In fact if she wanted to find him she would have waited between the gate and the ramen shop. Which is exactly where she was waiting for him in the manga." I never said she was waiting at the ramen shop.:)

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Which is why i said "In fact if she wanted to find him she would have waited between the gate and the ramen shop. Which is exactly where she was waiting for him in the manga." I never said she was waiting at the ramen shop.:)
Oh sorry there didnt really read.

But why wait in between? how does she know which route hes going to take? it was pure coincidence that he found her. if she wanted to meet him she would have either went to the gates or the ramen shop hell maybe even his house but she was in the middle of the city thats not waiting for him.

edit sorry if I sound rude I'm reading this and I kinda seem rude.

[Jammin]

I don't think you sound rude.:D

As for why she choose to wait for Naruto in the spot she did, the manga didn't say. I can throw out an educated guess though. Sakura seems to know Naruto pretty well so she probably realized he would head straight to the ramen shop. So all she would have had to do is walk the path from the gate to the ramen shop and eventually she would find him. Maybe she started from the Ramen shop and was walking to the gate.:)

I have to admit that i doubt Kishimoto put half as much thought into this as we seem to be doing though. He probably just thought to himself "I'll have him run into Sakura and Tsunade on the way to the ramen shop" and that was that. On the other hand looking for deep meaning in a tiny probably meaningless scene like this can be fun too.:p

[Askia32]

Ah I apologize. Sorry after this whole heated discussion and some of the bashing of the characters, it just got ugly... I guess I still need to get away from the transition of NF/MH. Even though I've been here for a year.

But I'll admit.. that list of evidence is really nice work. Even the naruhina fan in me is gritting teeth and saying.. damn..

Oh it's no problem, it's hard to show a joke when typing, I should of made it more obvious.
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@ Askia.

Wow. you are really cold. How Sakura shows maturity by not going to receive a friend who have been away from town for several years?. A friend who risked his life saving her, a friend who tried his best to bring back the beloved person of this girl.... i don't understand that as maturity, I understand that as being ungrateful person.

In my sick mind pretty much...

Tsunade: Hey Sakura, naruto returned to Konoha?
Sakura: Naruto, who?
Tsunade: The kid who risked his life saving you from Jinkurichi, the guy who tried to bring back your beloved Sasuke..
Sakura: Ahhh... ok now I rememenber, and ?
Tsunade: Nevermind, I'm going to walk around for awhile.
Sakura: Ok, i'll go with you. After all I need to get to the candy shop.
Tsunade: You should go and receive Naruto.
Sakura: Don't worry, 40 chapters later I'll run to meet with Sasuke.

Maturity, no way, not even due shyness. She is just an ungrateful person. Period. There's a reason of why Kishimoto decided to do it in that way.

Haha, so in one post, your telling people not to insult other people in your thread, than you call me cold in your very next post(not offended, but it's funny).

Oh, and nice, you get evidence from covers, databooks, and now some other Naruto knock off manga? In the Naruto manga I'm reading, there is no dialog(don't know if I spelled that right) even remotely similar to the one you posted.

[Alterno]

Which is why i said "In fact if she wanted to find him she would have waited between the gate and the ramen shop. Which is exactly where she was waiting for him in the manga." I never said she was waiting at the ramen shop.:)


Lol... she wasn't waiting because she was looking towards the opposite direction. However I not longer feel bad about Naruto because he was looking for Ramen and not for her... lolz

[Askia32]

Lol... she wasn't waiting because she was looking towards the opposite direction. However I not longer feel bad about Naruto because he was looking for Ramen and not for her... lolz

Well it looks more like Naruto and company walked up from behind to Sakura and Tsunade. So yea, your right, Sakura wasn't waiting, but walking in the direction of the ramen shop.

Glad you don't feel bad that Naruto was hungry and wanted to eat when he first got to Konoha, because the very same day he did come to Konoha, he went on his first date with Sakura.

[Jammin]

Lol... she wasn't waiting because she was looking towards the opposite direction. However I not longer feel bad about Naruto because he was looking for Ramen and not for her... lolzThats a bit of an assumption. Just because she was facing the other direction doesn't mean she wasn't waiting, she could have been looking around.:)

But for the sake of the argument I'll assume you're right and she was walking. Since she would have been walking in the same direction as Naruto, i guess that would mean she was headed to the ramen stand. So either way she was most likely out looking for Naruto. Which was my original point.:amuse

The relevance of this whole discussion to the NaruHina vs NaruSaku debate still escapes me. I mean, he didn't run into to Hinata for around 30 or more chapters after his return and nether Hinata or Naruto looked for each other at all. So i don't see how any part of this conversation works against NaruSaku at all.:notrust

[Askia32]

Thats a bit of an assumption. Just because she was facing the other direction doesn't mean she wasn't waiting, she could have been looking around.:)

But for the sake of the argument I'll assume you're right and she was walking. Since she would have been walking in the same direction as Naruto, i guess that would mean she was headed to the ramen stand. So either way she was most likely out looking for Naruto. Which was my original point.:amuse

The relevance of this whole discussion to the NaruHina vs NaruSaku still escapes me. I mean, he didn't run into to Hinata for around 30 or more chapters after his return and nether Hinata or Naruto looked for each other at all. So i don't see how any part of this conversation works against NaruSaku at all.:notrust

I agree 100%

[Suzuku]

Well, if we're talking just about who deserves him more (based on history and such) then Hinata. If we're talking about who Naruto is more likely to end up with, then Sakura.

[nat]

Well, if we're talking just about who deserves him more (based on history and such) then Hinata. If we're talking about who Naruto is more likely to end up with, then Sakura.



You mean who deserves him in the first part, then it is Hinata. But the second, It is definately Sakura ^^

Ps: I am Anti-NaruHina and Pro-NaruSakuSasu (In my mind it is logical), Hinata/Karin/whoever are just outsiders

[kkck]

I dont really se why would hinata be the one to deserve naruto's love. What has she ever done besides being one restraining order away from being a stalker? On top of that she hasnt change a bit since neji beated the crap out of her and spitted on what was left of her while sakura changed from being completely useless to being an exceptional medic-nin and a powerhouse who proved to be able to fight with an akatsuki.

Also sakura has shown to care a lot about naruto in part 2, and now treats naruto like a friend instead of a parasite which in my opinion is called "growing up" or changing for the better (something hinata hasnt done).

[Black/Light]

I dont really se why would hinata be the one to deserve naruto's love. Because her entire character was made with the thought of her being in love with Naruto in mind?
Because she has been in love with him back when nobody gave a s*** about "that retarded monster boy!" (which includes Sak)?
Because it's her goal to one day have the courage to tell Naruto how she feels (her "big devilopment moment". . .Ya know, like how Neji showen his big problem when Hinata shown just why he was soo mad and he flipped out. . .lead by Naruto making a oath on her blood (last time I checked that was a big deal. . .those blood oaths in Japan) and "Naruto slapped" him back into his senses?)?

Because she has always used him as a driving force to better herself. . . maaaybeee these are things we HinataxNaruto fans look at over "the pink girl that openly expressed love for Sas/ crushed Naruto's heart/ rejected him many times and is only recently (in their world's time) starting to "warm up" to him"?

(And the whole "Hinata aint changed" bit is a really annoying Smoke Screen/ Red Herring. The fact of the matter is that she aint been in the manga often enuff for you to know this BUT you still try to toss that aside to say "she da saMe aS beFoREZ!" and not note how lil focus she has had NOR adress the topic at hand, about who deserves his love the most.)

The way I see it is very much simple. To put a "urban twist" on this, Hinata is like that girl who has always been down for Naruto, even when nobody gave a s*** about him and hated him largely for no reason he knew of. Back when girls like Sak where focused on the star football player with all the bing bang and money (Sas fan-girls). She has been crushing on him and is working her way to telling him her feelings and how he has changed her.
Sak is one of the fan-girls who loved Sas. After crushing Naruto's heart soo many times she is left begging him to bring back the one she loves and Naruto accepted that. Now, after 2 years, she still has feelings for the football player who got traded but is now starting to warm up to Naruto (with a good chance of dropping that G-string the sec Sas comes over).

Thats how I see it personally because thats what the thread asked of me, to think about who has had the strongest feeling for Naruto and for the longest amont of time to figure out who I feel deserves the goodness that is Naruto the most. Wouldn't be any different for "Sak v Karin- who deserves Sas's love the most" because one has been all over him sense back in the day and one has just shown to like him in these recent times.

So SakxSas all da way!
And HinatatxNaruto!

[Askia32]

Because her entire character was made with the thought of her being in love with Naruto in mind?
Because she has been in love with him back when nobody gave a s*** about "that retarded monster boy!" (which includes Sak)?
Because it's her goal to one day have the courage to tell Naruto how she feels (her "big devilopment moment". . .Ya know, like how Neji showen his big problem when Hinata shown just why he was soo mad and he flipped out. . .lead by Naruto making a oath on her blood (last time I checked that was a big deal. . .those blood oaths in Japan) and "Naruto slapped" him back into his senses?)?

Because she has always used him as a driving force to better herself. . . maaaybeee these are things we HinataxNaruto fans look at over "the pink girl that openly expressed love for Sas/ crushed Naruto's heart/ rejected him many times and is only recently (in their world's time) starting to "warm up" to him"?

(And the whole "Hinata aint changed" bit is a really annoying Smoke Screen/ Red Herring. The fact of the matter is that she aint been in the manga often enuff for you to know this BUT you still try to toss that aside to say "she da saMe aS beFoREZ!" and not note how lil focus she has had NOR adress the topic at hand, about who deserves his love the most.)

The way I see it is very much simple. To put a "urban twist" on this, Hinata is like that girl who has always been down for Naruto, even when nobody gave a s*** about him and hated him largely for no reason he knew of. Back when girls like Sak where focused on the star football player with all the bing bang and money (Sas fan-girls). She has been crushing on him and is working her way to telling him her feelings and how he has changed her.
Sak is one of the fan-girls who loved Sas. After crushing Naruto's heart soo many times she is left begging him to bring back the one she loves and Naruto accepted that. Now, after 2 years, she still has feelings for the football player who got traded but is now starting to warm up to Naruto (with a good chance of dropping that G-string the sec Sas comes over).

Thats how I see it personally because thats what the thread asked of me, to think about who has had the strongest feeling for Naruto and for the longest amont of time to figure out who I feel deserves the goodness that is Naruto the most. Wouldn't be any different for "Sak v Karin- who deserves Sas's love the most" because one has been all over him sense back in the day and one has just shown to like him in these recent times.

So SakxSas all da way!
And HinatatxNaruto!

I just don't get how you can say Hinata deserves Naruto more when she has barely done anything, while Sakura has been there with Naruto through his best and worse.

Saying Hinata loved Naruto from the beggining is stupid. They we're like six years old. Hinata felt sorry for Naruto, and admired his courage. That does not translate in to love. You guys don't think Hinata has loved Naruto all this time, but love the idea that she loved him all this time.

Naruto making a oath on Hinata's blood was probably more for him self than it was for Hinata.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/18/
We know how much Naruto hates being called a loser, or just looked down on for that matter.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/81/01/
And is verified here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/103/13/
But yes, part of the oath was still for Hinata, which is shown here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/105/05/

Yes, Sakura did have a fan girl crush on Sasuke. And other poeple, as well as myself have already posted alot of evidence how Sakura had feelings for Naruto in Part 1, so I'm not gonna waste time doing it again. You can check my previous post, in which I have give detailed information and evidence.

To keep it in your terms. Sasuke is like the starting quarterback, and Naruto is like the backup Quarterback who keeps messing up, and people think he's just a mess up. A quite girl who nobody notices, and is treated like a reject in her own family notices the back up quarterback trying with all his might to show that he can be a starter. Seeing that gives her the strength to try harder. Candace Parker(the girl is gorgeous). Kind of like when I look at old tapes of Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan, and even Candace Parker(the girl is gorgeous) inspires me too push myself harder, which does not mean I'm in love with them.

Now, here's my example. Hinata is kind of likea girl who is impressed with the back up football player, who is terrible but tries hard. She admires his effort, and follows him around w/o him knowing, but is scared to talk to him. She hides behind buildings and looks from afar, and when he is close, she faints or can't look him in the eye. In real life, you NaruHina fans, and everyone else, call this person a stalker, or a groupy. In the manga, you NaruHina fans call this love. Makes no sense at all.

[Jehuty]

I just don't get how you can say Hinata deserves Naruto more when she has barely done anything, while Sakura has been there with Naruto through his best and worse.

Saying Hinata loved Naruto from the beggining is stupid. They we're like six years old. Hinata felt sorry for Naruto, and admired his courage. That does not translate in to love. You guys don't think Hinata has loved Naruto all this time, but love the idea that she loved him all this time.

Naruto making a oath on Hinata's blood was probably more for him self than it was for Hinata.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/80/18/
We know how much Naruto hates being called a loser, or just looked down on for that matter.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/81/01/

Yes, Sakura did have a fan girl crush on Sasuke. And other poeple, as well as myself have already posted alot of evidence how Sakura had feelings for Naruto in Part 1, so I'm not gonna waste time doing it again. You can check my previous post, in which I have give detailed information and evidence.

To keep it in your terms. Sasuke is like the starting quarterback, and Naruto is like the backup Quarterback who keeps messing up, and people think he's just a mess up. A quite girl who nobody notices, and is treated like a reject in her own family notices the back up quarterback trying with all his might to show that he can be a starter. Seeing that gives her the strength to try harder. Candace Parker(the girl is gorgeous). Kind of like when I look at old tapes of Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan, and even Candace Parker(the girl is gorgeous) inspires me too push myself harder, which does not mean I'm in love with them.

Now, here's my example. Hinata is kind of likea girl who is impressed with the back up football player, who is terrible but tries hard. She admires his effort, and follows him around w/o him knowing, but is scared to talk to him. She hides behind buildings and looks from afar, and when he is close, she faints or can't look him in the eye. In real life, you NaruHina fans, and everyone else, call this person a stalker, or a groupy. In the manga, you NaruHina fans call this love. Makes no sense at all.
Blah blah blah, the argument always breaks down into this: You think Hinata's a fangirl and you say it "makes no sense," but we say it does, because Hinata admires Naruto for his true values and sees through him without him having to prove anything while Sakura admired Sasuke for superficial reasons, and took a long time as Naruto proved himself over and over for her just to barely understand him.

[Askia32]

Blah blah blah, the argument always breaks down into this: You think Hinata's a fangirl and you say it "makes no sense," but we say it does, because Hinata admires Naruto for his true values and sees through him without him having to prove anything while Sakura admired Sasuke for superficial reasons, and took a long time as Naruto proved himself over and over for her just to barely understand him.

Not really, I have explained how Sakura may understand Naruto more than anyone else in the manga. You might have seen it if you didn't see my posts as "blah blah blah", and actually read them.

[Jehuty]

Not really, I have explained how Sakura may understand Naruto more than anyone else in the manga. You might have seen it if you didn't see my posts as "blah blah blah", and actually read them.
Condescension aside, Sakura only begins to Understand Naruto at the Sasuke Retrieval arc. That's when she thinks, "He's understood me all along." Still, though, she doesn't get it entirely. Next is in the Rescue Gaara arc, where she acknowledges his suffering as a Jinchuuriki and actually begins worrying for his safety. And lastly so far is the Grass Country arc, where Naruto goes Four-Tails and she realizes what he's striving for all along.

Still, though, she doesn't get him as much as Hinata.

[nat]

Condescension aside, Sakura only begins to Understand Naruto at the Sasuke Retrieval arc. That's when she thinks, "He's understood me all along." Still, though, she doesn't get it entirely. Next is in the Rescue Gaara arc, where she acknowledges his suffering as a Jinchuuriki and actually begins worrying for his safety. And lastly so far is the Grass Country arc, where Naruto goes Four-Tails and she realizes what he's striving for all along.

Still, though, she doesn't get him as much as Hinata.


Who hasn't spoken more that 2 words with him, and barely managed to stay awak in his presence. It is a strange way of showing love. It is obvious that Hinata loves him, But has she done anything worthy of his love except admire him from the shadows since they were 8??-Stalking does not count as love-worthy-act. To do something she has to actually help or be there for Naruto.

Now, Gaara admires him and understands him more that anyone, but we dont say NaruGaa= :love.

[Jammin]

I think it's pretty hard to say how well Hinata understands Naruto. She certainly admired him before anyone else but there's some truth in the saying "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding". Just look at Sasuke everyone admired him and no one really understood him with the possible exception of Itachi.

I wonder if Hinata even knows that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki, or what a Jinchuuriki is for that matter? That's not exactly common knowledge in Konoha after all.

[Askia32]

I think it's pretty hard to say how well Hinata understands Naruto. She certainly admired him before anyone else but there's some truth in the saying "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding". Just look at Sasuke everyone admired him and no one really understood him with the possible exception of Itachi.

I wonder if Hinata even knows that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki, or what a Jinchuuriki is for that matter? That's not exactly common knowledge in Konoha after all.

Well, NaruHina fans say that Hinata knows Naruto better than anyone becaue of this
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/98/12/
And thats kind of funny, because everyone that knows Naruto knows that about him now. But I do give Hinata props, because she was one of the first people to see that about him. But any arguments saying that Hinata knows Naruto better than anyone else holds no weight because there is no evidence to support that in the manga.

[transition1]

Oh please Can some of the NaruHina fan peuples give some hint in part 2? youll never find it.


This is what all Hinata said to Naruto in the whole part 2

1:Lets do our best

2:Behind you

6 WORDS Oh wait Lets put the Naruto-Kun too to give her a chance

8 WORDS !!!

alright lets give her a chance again she said Naruto-kun 2 times


10 words just a little more Naruto will fall for her for sure... Well too bad even with my dog i have more conversation then that


yet Naruto had a mission together with Hinata and nothing happened they they didn't talk to each others...not even look at each others and now they at home. Hinata will have screen off again i guess.. She's so important in the manga




This is what Naruto said to Hinata in part 2

1:Oh its Hinata

2:watcha hiding here for

3:Right

Total of 8 words. Not even One conversation. Yep Naruto will surely fall for her.


Dont worry NaruHina fans youll see in the end ( i'm actually trying to think what the NH's fans thinking now ). NaruHina For EVERZZZZ!



But if NaruHina is to happen, then why hasn't there been any development since Chapter 98? Do answer me that, will you:p? this mean around 300 chapters and more.

[kkck]

Because her entire character was made with the thought of her being in love with Naruto in mind?
Because she has been in love with him back when nobody gave a s*** about "that retarded monster boy!" (which includes Sak)?
Because it's her goal to one day have the courage to tell Naruto how she feels (her "big devilopment moment". . .Ya know, like how Neji showen his big problem when Hinata shown just why he was soo mad and he flipped out. . .lead by Naruto making a oath on her blood (last time I checked that was a big deal. . .those blood oaths in Japan) and "Naruto slapped" him back into his senses?)?

Because she has always used him as a driving force to better herself. . . maaaybeee these are things we HinataxNaruto fans look at over "the pink girl that openly expressed love for Sas/ crushed Naruto's heart/ rejected him many times and is only recently (in their world's time) starting to "warm up" to him"?

(And the whole "Hinata aint changed" bit is a really annoying Smoke Screen/ Red Herring. The fact of the matter is that she aint been in the manga often enuff for you to know this BUT you still try to toss that aside to say "she da saMe aS beFoREZ!" and not note how lil focus she has had NOR adress the topic at hand, about who deserves his love the most.)

The way I see it is very much simple. To put a "urban twist" on this, Hinata is like that girl who has always been down for Naruto, even when nobody gave a s*** about him and hated him largely for no reason he knew of. Back when girls like Sak where focused on the star football player with all the bing bang and money (Sas fan-girls). She has been crushing on him and is working her way to telling him her feelings and how he has changed her.
Sak is one of the fan-girls who loved Sas. After crushing Naruto's heart soo many times she is left begging him to bring back the one she loves and Naruto accepted that. Now, after 2 years, she still has feelings for the football player who got traded but is now starting to warm up to Naruto (with a good chance of dropping that G-string the sec Sas comes over).

Thats how I see it personally because thats what the thread asked of me, to think about who has had the strongest feeling for Naruto and for the longest amont of time to figure out who I feel deserves the goodness that is Naruto the most. Wouldn't be any different for "Sak v Karin- who deserves Sas's love the most" because one has been all over him sense back in the day and one has just shown to like him in these recent times.

So SakxSas all da way!
And HinatatxNaruto!

So basically hinata deserves naruto´s love because she was the only groupy naruto had during part 1? The rest of your post simply is a pretty way of saying hinata was and still is an obsessed stalker. If I was naruto woul ndeed get a restraiing order lol.
[hr]

Concrete reasons why Naruto SHOULD go with Hinata:

-you know she'll be a freak in bed
-she has great...tracks of land
-she's totally a sub

As for the "in bed" thing I think this could go either way because:
hinata ha Byakugan which she coul use to fnd specal preasure points that has been passed own for generations among the hyuga women LOl:D.
sakura is a exceptional medic nin whose knowledge about human body is way past ordinary:D.

[Necron]

i think this will be my first and only post in this thread

i love how hinata talks and how shy she is and anything else she does
its the most f****** cute thing in naruto
seriously if she somewhen has to fight some of the big ones she will winn because the oponent won't be able to hit her
she deserves naruto more than enyone else

and for sakura
i hope she finds sasuke turns over to his side and dies side on side with that emo

thats it for me thanks for listening

[Black/Light]

Well, NaruHina fans say that Hinata knows Naruto better than anyone becaue of this
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/98/12/
And thats kind of funny, because everyone that knows Naruto knows that about him now. But I do give Hinata props, because she was one of the first people to see that about him. But any arguments saying that Hinata knows Naruto better than anyone else holds no weight because there is no evidence to support that in the manga.
(Sorry, Im not going to reply to the "blah blah" post. I listed why I feel that the poll is the way it is now and why people feel Hinata deserves Naruto's love. . .don't know what there was to debate.)

No, J-man "knows more about Naruto than anyone else". This aint about who knows the most about Naruto out of "everyone else", this is about 2 characters and what they saw in Naruto. Hinata knew and understond/ loved/ admired the core characteristic in Naruto before Sak or most all people other than Sas in their age group had any clue that Naruto was actually acting out and not "just being a carefree child because, OMG, if like, I did that my parents would like so be on my case".

(Also note that this is the first and only time that Naruto opened up and said ". .. hey, this is all a act to make up for my short comings. Im just frustrated because Im always failing" where she than states how she knows Naruto aint prefect and understands where his strenght comes from http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/98/11/

She believed him to be a much stronger person than he actualy thought he was because she saw his core character for what it was. )


I think it's pretty hard to say how well Hinata understands Naruto. She certainly admired him before anyone else but there's some truth in the saying "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding". Just look at Sasuke everyone admired him and no one really understood him with the possible exception of Itachi.

I wonder if Hinata even knows that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki, or what a Jinchuuriki is for that matter? That's not exactly common knowledge in Konoha after all.



The term "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding" IMO more so means "Admiration of a person with out knowing what they have had to deal with or the trails of their past is only admiration for the surface and not the true person". Perfect example would be Sak in these where she stupidly/ wrongly "faults" Naruto as having a carefree childhood because he has no parents where as Sas, the one she loves and admired, had no parents himself and understond how Naruto feels. .
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-003/page021.html

Followed by the "you don't know s*** about how we feel you annoying lil girl!" from the Emo foot ball star.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-003/page022.html
(One of the few times I like him. . )

THATS the perfect example. Sak had no idea how either Naruto or Sas felt yet talked about it as if Naruto "had it all on the easy side". Hell, IDK if she even knew that Sas was parentless (seems like she didn't know that or da hormones just made her forget that the cop clan only has one member that is alive in the leaf).
Thats how I think that term is used. . . for only admiring the surface-superfical crap but not understanding the inside. Hinata knows how it feels to be dubbed a "failure" and how it feels to be looked down apon. To be seen as weak or lesser than. She sees how much s*** Naruto has had to deal with because she has been looking at him all these years (I don't think it's just sure bat s*** luck that she has the BYG).

As I pointed out up there how she "saw past" his act, his surface, and saw what really made him strong which he than understond and showed everyone else in the Neji fight.

No, she most likely ( like everyone else who aint had it blabed to them by some old fart or via "word of mouth amoung adults") doesn't know that Naruto has the 9 tails sealed inside him. . . and that says nothing about how much she knows about his core character. She sees how the leaf people treated him, how their pears saw him and most of all how he deals with these 2 things which were caused by the 9 tails. THATS what made Naruto who he is and kept him from being some emo mind raped child of the deamon beast like Gaara.


So basically hinata deserves naruto´s love because she was the only groupy naruto had during part 1? The rest of your post simply is a pretty way of saying hinata was and still is an obsessed stalker. If I was naruto woul ndeed get a restraiing order lol.
Sounds better than "the Sas fan-girl who is just now, over soooooo many years, starting to warm up to Naruto. . .well still being a Sas fan-girl". If I were Naruto I would have stopped paying attention to someone who never, on their own time, took out the time to try to understand me well popping off like she was some hot s***. (I say " on their own time" because thats just it. Sak only sees Naruto differently now because they are team mates. . .not because she actively thought and tried to under stand Naruto before this)

But thats just me.

And Necron. . .dead on! Sak-Sas til death!

[PitchBlack857]

I look at Naruto and Sakura's relationship more of a Brother and Sister type relationship, there's love in the relationship but there's no lust. Sakura will end up with Sasuke or maybe even Lee. It would be wack if Hinata didn't get with Naruto at the end of this thing. This would be like Ichigo getting with Rukia instead of Orihme, or Goku with Bulma instead of Chi Chi. Naruto at best is Sakura's 2nd choice, The Hero of the story deserves better than to get his main Rival's leftovers.

[transition1]

(Sorry, Im not going to reply to the "blah blah" post. I listed why I feel that the poll is the way it is now and why people feel Hinata deserves Naruto's love. . .don't know what there was to debate.)

No, J-man "knows more about Naruto than anyone else". This aint about who knows the most about Naruto out of "everyone else", this is about 2 characters and what they saw in Naruto. Hinata knew and understond/ loved/ admired the core characteristic in Naruto before Sak or most all people other than Sas in their age group had any clue that Naruto was actually acting out and not "just being a carefree child because, OMG, if like, I did that my parents would like so be on my case".

(Also note that this is the first and only time that Naruto opened up and said ". .. hey, this is all a act to make up for my short comings. Im just frustrated because Im always failing" where she than states how she knows Naruto aint prefect and understands where his strenght comes from http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/98/11/

She believed him to be a much stronger person than he actualy thought he was because she saw his core character for what it was. )





The term "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding" IMO more so means "Admiration of a person with out knowing what they have had to deal with or the trails of their past is only admiration for the surface and not the true person". Perfect example would be Sak in these where she stupidly/ wrongly "faults" Naruto as having a carefree childhood because he has no parents where as Sas, the one she loves and admired, had no parents himself and understond how Naruto feels. .
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-003/page021.html

Followed by the "you don't know s*** about how we feel you annoying lil girl!" from the Emo foot ball star.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-003/page022.html
(One of the few times I like him. . )

THATS the perfect example. Sak had no idea how either Naruto or Sas felt yet talked about it as if Naruto "had it all on the easy side". Hell, IDK if she even knew that Sas was parentless (seems like she didn't know that or da hormones just made her forget that the cop clan only has one member that is alive in the leaf).
Thats how I think that term is used. . . for only admiring the surface-superfical crap but not understanding the inside. Hinata knows how it feels to be dubbed a "failure" and how it feels to be looked down apon. To be seen as weak or lesser than. She sees how much s*** Naruto has had to deal with because she has been looking at him all these years (I don't think it's just sure bat s*** luck that she has the BYG).

As I pointed out up there how she "saw past" his act, his surface, and saw what really made him strong which he than understond and showed everyone else in the Neji fight.

No, she most likely ( like everyone else who aint had it blabed to them by some old fart or via "word of mouth amoung adults") doesn't know that Naruto has the 9 tails sealed inside him. . . and that says nothing about how much she knows about his core character. She sees how the leaf people treated him, how their pears saw him and most of all how he deals with these 2 things which were caused by the 9 tails. THATS what made Naruto who he is and kept him from being some emo mind raped child of the deamon beast like Gaara.

Sounds better than "the Sas fan-girl who is just now, over soooooo many years, starting to warm up to Naruto. . .well still being a Sas fan-girl". If I were Naruto I would have stopped paying attention to someone who never, on their own time, took out the time to try to understand me well popping off like she was some hot s***. (I say " on their own time" because thats just it. Sak only sees Naruto differently now because they are team mates. . .not because she actively thought and tried to under stand Naruto before this)

But thats just me.

And Necron. . .dead on! Sak-Sas til death!


ITs really hard to read IMO

anyway:

Naruto knows how she feels. Chapter 98. The relationship went no further though.

[lordHokage]

I look at Naruto and Sakura's relationship more of a Brother and Sister type relationship, there's love in the relationship but there's no lust. Sakura will end up with Sasuke or maybe even Lee. It would be wack if Hinata didn't get with Naruto at the end of this thing. This would be like Ichigo getting with Rukia instead of Orihme, or Goku with Bulma instead of Chi Chi. Naruto at best is Sakura's 2nd choice, The Hero of the story deserves better than to get his main Rival's leftovers.


Well said. Naruto doesn't deserves another man's leftovers. :D

[nat]

There is a thing called character developpment..You are over-explaining stuff that went on 3 years when they were kiddies. And love is a very fickle thing, especially for a 12 year old. The fact that Naruhina has more fans in the polls, is becasue the thread has been open for a long time. Before many people saw Sakura's change. Or some of people who vote do not post or explain why. ( One of the lamest reasons is that she is Adorable, or soooooo cute)

Anyway debating whether a 12 year old showed love/lust or any emotion of the type is useless because in the end feelings change.

The truth is, Hinata admired him as an underdog that defied all odds and succeeded, as a role model and those feelings developped. But that doesn't qualify as "deserves him". And when you admire people, sometimes you don't understand anything about them.

She saw his suffering because she was suffering too...But so was Neji, Gaara, Lee etc...

What I am trying to say, is that she admired him for so long but couldn't help much, if anything at all. The Neji fight, he would have done the same for anyone who was treated the same way. Not because she was Hinata.

You are clinging to the first part so obssessedly and refuse to see what has happened since the beginning of part 2. Or you are seeing it, but belittle it and dissmiss it as "since Kishimoto is doing that...".

Sakura has done many things for Naruto as Naruto, not as anyone else. As I said, in three years Naruto didn't notice Hinata, he still doesn't. He doesn't see Sakura also, but their shared ordeal (Sasuke) brings them closer.

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You are clinging to the first part so obssessedly and refuse to see what has happened since the beginning. Or you are seeing it, but belittle it and dissmiss it as "since Kishimoto is doing that...".




People only see what they want to see, that why they are trying to dismiss it, you can't change that, not without a ballpeen hammer.


Example If Hinata was the one that was going to feed him in chapter 343 it would be a Romantic scene. But since it was Sakura. The NaruHina fans try to dismiss it ..

[PitchBlack857]

[QUOTE=e-nat;902673]There is a thing called character developpment..You are over-explaining stuff that went on 3 years when they were kiddies. And love is a very fickle thing, especially for a 12 year old. The fact that Naruhina has more fans in the polls, is becasue the thread has been open for a long time. Before many people saw Sakura's change. Or some of people who vote do not post or explain why. ( One of the lamest reasons is that she is Adorable, or soooooo cute)

Anyway debating whether a 12 year old showed love/lust or any emotion of the type is useless because in the end feelings change.

The truth is, Hinata admired him as an underdog that defied all odds and succeeded, as a role model and those feelings developped. But that doesn't qualify as "deserves him". And when you admire people, sometimes you don't understand anything about them.

She saw his suffering because she was suffering too...But so was Neji, Gaara, Lee etc...

What I am trying to say, is that she admired him for so ong but couldn't help much, if anything at all. The Neji fight, he would have done the same for anyone who was treated the same way. Not because she was Hinata.

You are clinging to the first part so obssessedly and refuse to see what has happened since the beginning. Or you are seeing it, but belittle it and dissmiss it as "since Kishimoto is doing that...".

Sakura has done many things for Naruto as Naruto, not as anyone else. As I said, in three years Naruto didn't notice Hinata, he still doesn't. He doesn't see Sakura also, but their shared ordeal (Sasuke) brings them closer.[/QUOTE

So are you saying Naruto should get with Sakura because they both love Sasuke? Yea it's cool she finally noticed Naruto a lil but that doesn't stop her from whopping his ass now does it, They're more like brother and Sister in my opinion. It's lame that the one thing that brought them closer is Sasuke, if Sasuke wanted Sakura, he could have her right now. Anyone that has read the manga has read the constant abuse Naruto get's from Sakura both psyical and mental, Hinata needs to get that love, Sakura should get with Lee anyway.

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[B][I]
So are you saying Naruto should get with Sakura because they both love Sasuke? Yea it's cool she finally noticed Naruto a lil but that doesn't stop her from whopping his ass now does it, They're more like brother and Sister in my opinion. It's lame that the one thing that brought them closer is Sasuke, if Sasuke wanted Sakura, he could have her right now. Anyone that has read the manga has read the constant abuse Naruto get's from Sakura both psyical and mental, Hinata needs to get that love, Sakura should get with Lee anyway.


Give me some hints that she still love him in part 2 Please :D?Since Sasuke is done with Itachi and now seeking revenge on Konoha, and the Akatsuki also heading that way, the majority of those 96 Chapters is going to be action oriented. So there will be very, very little room for pairings to develop, short of confessions.

Though given what Kishi said regarding this year's spoilers of Kakashi and Sakura, I still believe Sakura will finally reveal her true feelings, in which could very well go in the direction of NS or SS.

But as for Hinata, sorry NH's but I don't think Hinata is going to have any time to develop a relationship with Naruto. Even if she should do the "grand confession" and cry over Naruto until he wakes up (or is brought back to life), his love for Sakura will have to be somehow resolved and he has to start being fond of Hinata. And as I said, given the action above, if NH is what Kishi intends, it would be extremely rushed or be resolved in the Epilogue and out of the blue.


Hinata is not an overall important character so there's no need to resolve her feelings as it wouldn't have any relevance to the current story's plot. Second, her theme was resolved back in the Chuunin Exams when she stood up for herself against Neji and admitted her feelings to Naruto on the training grounds. Seeing as Hinata's feelings for Naruto are little more than a crush, her not getting together with Naruto shouldn't be considered a travesty.



Now, the assumption that the story will end around chapter 500 is actually a quite accurate one. At the risk of sounding redundant, Kishi stated he wanted to make the length at least 500 chapters like the Dragon Ball manga, said at Jump Festa 07 that the manga only has 2-3 years left (1-2 now) which translates roughly to 500 chapters, and stated in Volume 42 that he would begin writing towards the end of the series after this newest revelation about the Uchihas.

[kkck]

[I]


So are you saying Naruto should get with Sakura because they both love Sasuke? Yea it's cool she finally noticed Naruto a lil but that doesn't stop her from whopping his ass now does it, They're more like brother and Sister in my opinion. It's lame that the one thing that brought them closer is Sasuke, [B]if Sasuke wanted Sakura, he could have her right now..



Do you have any evidence at all that sakura is still in love with sasuke that is not in part 1?


[B][I]Anyone that has read the manga has read the constant abuse Naruto get's from Sakura both psyical and mental, Hinata needs to get that love, Sakura should get with Lee anyway.

Sakura doesnt even hit naruto that often and most of the time he had it coming. At the beggining of part 2 naruto was about to pull of an hokage level perverted ninjutsu right in the middle of the village, he deserved to be punished by sakura and whoever was around a 1000 times over.

And who gives a crap about what hinata needs? She barely appears in the manga, when she does she faints and hasnt add anything remotely interesting to the story ever since neji beated the crap out of her. IMO neji should have succeded in killing her at the chunnin preliminaries so that kishi could have dedicated the extra 10 pages she apeared in since that for a caracter that can actualy bring something to the story besides having his ass kicked and spat on.

Also Hinata needing narutos love is not enough reason for hinata to deserve it.

[PitchBlack857]

Give me some hints that she still love him in part 2 Please ?

Ok canuck, She's only been in a few chapters but she's usually on Naruto's d*ck in her given scenes ,Which show she still cares for him. This is all opinion based anyway, But I like many many others believe this will be proven to be correct in the end. I'll just reupp this thread when the time comes.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/02/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/12/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/282/19/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/282/18/

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Give me some hints that she still love him in part 2 Please ?

Ok canuck, She's only been in a few chapters but she's usually on Naruto's d*ck in her given scenes ,Which show she still cares for him. This is all opinion based anyway, But I like many many others believe this will be proven to be correct in the end. I'll just reupp this thread when the time comes.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/02/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/282/19/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/282/18/





Oh please this is what you call love? of course she care for him why she wouldnt?


For this chapter http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/02/

You realize that Sakura (as was everyone else) knew Naruto was okay, right? That's why none of them even flinched.

This moment proves that Hinata doesn't really know Naruto at all, to react in such a manner. And because she was distracted, she got repremanded by Sakura.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/383/12/
So she was happy he is alright. But it's not convincing me enough that she loves Naruto, but again idolizes him.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/282/19/
Because Hinata fainted, doesn't mean it's love. People do faint when meeting those they idolize. (Like celebrities, sports stars, and musicians)

Plus Sakura did get stronger to help Naruto while Hinata is hiding behind something scared to say hi to Naruto.

[PitchBlack857]

Oh please this is what you call love?

Show me please, the true love that Sakura holds so dear for Naruto?:eyeroll also why does she deserve it to answer the original question?

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Show me please, the true love that Sakura holds so dear for Naruto?:eyeroll also why does she deserve it to answer the original question?



YOu REALLY WANT LOL? alreight
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Show me please, the true love that Sakura holds so dear for Naruto?:eyeroll also why does she deserve it to answer the original question?
Of course Sakura Falling in love For Naruto

Here you got

You should read the Askia32 one too it's really an interesting one

1: aw, how cute, naruto has a crush. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_088/)
2: naruto seemingly (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_099/) reads sakura's mind (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_100/)
3: look, naruto's fallen out of his crush. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_101/)
4: sasuke - "I won't let those dear to me die(noone in particular, just the idea of someone close to him)" (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/12/)
5: naruto drawing strength (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/13/) from sasukes, and other's words. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/14/)
6: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/134/11/)
7: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/06/)
8: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/136/08/)
9: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/13/)
10: sasuke - "naruto, sakura is safe" naruto takes a nap. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/17/)
11: naruto sees the pain sakura feels at sasuke's departure. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/12/)
12: naruto, pained to see sakura cry, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/13/) vows to bring back her smile, even at the cost of his own happiness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/14/)
13: seeing the pain naruto is in because of his promise to her, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/11/) she puts on a fake smile, to try to passify him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/12/)
14: naruto, seeing through the fake smile, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/13/) renews his vow to sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/14/)
15: moved by naruto's words, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/15/) sakura makes her own vow, to naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/17/)
16: it is her vow to naruto, that spurns her to become stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/18/)
17. sakura flirts with naruto, she herself, being interested romantically in naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/245/14/)
18. naruto asks sakura out on a date, and she doesn't refuse, she accepts. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/247/03/)
18.5 the anime expands the scene to show sakura regretting not going with naruto to the ramen stand.
19: sakura takes charge, and naruto admires how she's grown. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/253/17/)
20: sakura shows (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/02/) genuine concern (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/03/) for naruto, and naruto being a jinchuuriki. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/05/)
21: sakura tries to find a way to save naruto from his fate. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/06/)
22: sakura is pained, learning that she can do nothing to stop akatsuki from going after naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/08/)
23: sakura makes a confession, only to be interrupted by the one she wishes to protect. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/09/)
24: sakura feels her own pain, seeing naruto hurt and crying. she recognizes the pain that he must have felt all the years he was growing up, alone. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/278/15/)
25. sakura spares naruto the shame (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/06/) of attacking sai, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/07/) and takes on that shame herself. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/09/)
26. sakura takes inspiration from naruto's words, in order to work with sai. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/289/07/)
27. perhaps naruto understands what sai may be talking about? and so chooses to interrupt him, so he can see if bringing back sasuke, will bring back her smile. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/289/08/)
28. remembering the boy he was, sakura feels a pain in her heart, at the sight of this monster infront of her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/02/)
29. the realization that naruto is going so far, to the gates of hell as it were, for her, to bring back sasuke, and her smile, brings a tear to sakura's eye. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/05/)
30. kabuto - "What a sad kid..." those words cause the pain in sakura's heart to grow. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/06/)
31. she charges forward, not thinking, of herself, of sasuke, of anything but the transformed boy infront of her. she offers to release him from his promise, if it'll bring him back to her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/07/)
32. sakura pushes through her own pain, so she can do what she can for naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/07/)
33. once again, she tries to find a way to do more, for naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/08/)
34. the realization that she can do no more(physically) for naruto, causes her sorrow. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/10/)
35. yamato, noticing her upset at being up able to help the boy, recognizes the pain she feels at the "uselessness" she bears towards protecting naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/11/)
36. she shows genuine joy at naruto's awakening. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/12/)
37. sakura's instincts to take care of naruto after he drops. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/14/)
38. she seems to show more concern (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/15/) for naruto's wellbeing then the mission. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/16/)
39. she tries to spare naruto's feelings with a "little white lie." (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/05/)
40. naruto's pain, at realizing (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/07/) behind sakura's injury. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/08/)
41. after nearly 3 years, all he has to say to her is "Ah, it's sakura."(the anime i believe doesn't even give him an amused tone) (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/07/)
42. sasuke locks eyes with naruto, not even giving sakura a second thought. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/16-17/)
43. she remembers her vow to naruto, before she charges sasuke(fully intent on bashing his pretty face into the ground). (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/308/06/)
44. with neither shock nor hurt, he turns to stab sakura, before yamato steps in the way. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/308/07/)
45. sasuke shows no concern what so ever if his body is taken over by orochimaru. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/10/)
46. sasuke, as he was before, is still more concerned with revenge then anything, or anyone, else in the world. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/11/)
47. sakura, with her own tears, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/310/05/) renews her vow to naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/310/06/)


Tell me again Why Hinata deserve Naruto now? Sakura really want to help Naruto no matter what... Hinata barely did nothing for him



She asked Tsunade the medic-nin to train her. But I'm pretty sure her intention wasn't to bring Sasuke back by healing him. She saw Naruto coming back half-dead, and This is what prompted her to become a medic, so that next time Naruto goes, she'd be there to take care of him.

- Then she asked Yamato to train her in controlling Kyuubi. Again, she had Naruto's best interest at heart. Unfortunately Yamato couldn't teach her that, but remember how sad and disappointed she was when he explained it to her?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/10/

"Same as always. I can only do... the dumbest of things for Naruto."

Helping Naruto has been such a big motivator for Sakura. She tries so hard to do things for him. So why would Naruto like Hinata more than Sakura?

[PitchBlack857]

YOu REALLY WANT LOL? alreight
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Of course Sakura Falling in love For Naruto

Here you got

You should read the Askia32 one too it's really an interesting one

1: aw, how cute, naruto has a crush. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_088/)
2: naruto seemingly (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_099/) reads sakura's mind (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_100/)
3: look, naruto's fallen out of his crush. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/naruto_v01_ch003_101/)
4: sasuke - "I won't let those dear to me die(noone in particular, just the idea of someone close to him)" (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/12/)
5: naruto drawing strength (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/13/) from sasukes, and other's words. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/14/)
6: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/134/11/)
7: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/06/)
8: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/136/08/)
9: naruto - "I will protect sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/13/)
10: sasuke - "naruto, sakura is safe" naruto takes a nap. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/17/)
11: naruto sees the pain sakura feels at sasuke's departure. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/12/)
12: naruto, pained to see sakura cry, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/13/) vows to bring back her smile, even at the cost of his own happiness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/14/)
13: seeing the pain naruto is in because of his promise to her, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/11/) she puts on a fake smile, to try to passify him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/12/)
14: naruto, seeing through the fake smile, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/13/) renews his vow to sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/14/)
15: moved by naruto's words, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/15/) sakura makes her own vow, to naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/17/)
16: it is her vow to naruto, that spurns her to become stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/18/)
17. sakura flirts with naruto, she herself, being interested romantically in naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/245/14/)
18. naruto asks sakura out on a date, and she doesn't refuse, she accepts. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/247/03/)
18.5 the anime expands the scene to show sakura regretting not going with naruto to the ramen stand.
19: sakura takes charge, and naruto admires how she's grown. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/253/17/)
20: sakura shows (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/02/) genuine concern (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/03/) for naruto, and naruto being a jinchuuriki. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/05/)
21: sakura tries to find a way to save naruto from his fate. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/06/)
22: sakura is pained, learning that she can do nothing to stop akatsuki from going after naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/08/)
23: sakura makes a confession, only to be interrupted by the one she wishes to protect. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/261/09/)
24: sakura feels her own pain, seeing naruto hurt and crying. she recognizes the pain that he must have felt all the years he was growing up, alone. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/278/15/)
25. sakura spares naruto the shame (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/06/) of attacking sai, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/07/) and takes on that shame herself. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/286/09/)
26. sakura takes inspiration from naruto's words, in order to work with sai. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/289/07/)
27. perhaps naruto understands what sai may be talking about? and so chooses to interrupt him, so he can see if bringing back sasuke, will bring back her smile. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/289/08/)
28. remembering the boy he was, sakura feels a pain in her heart, at the sight of this monster infront of her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/02/)
29. the realization that naruto is going so far, to the gates of hell as it were, for her, to bring back sasuke, and her smile, brings a tear to sakura's eye. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/05/)
30. kabuto - "What a sad kid..." those words cause the pain in sakura's heart to grow. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/06/)
31. she charges forward, not thinking, of herself, of sasuke, of anything but the transformed boy infront of her. she offers to release him from his promise, if it'll bring him back to her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/07/)
32. sakura pushes through her own pain, so she can do what she can for naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/07/)
33. once again, she tries to find a way to do more, for naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/08/)
34. the realization that she can do no more(physically) for naruto, causes her sorrow. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/10/)
35. yamato, noticing her upset at being up able to help the boy, recognizes the pain she feels at the "uselessness" she bears towards protecting naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/11/)
36. she shows genuine joy at naruto's awakening. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/297/12/)
37. sakura's instincts to take care of naruto after he drops. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/14/)
38. she seems to show more concern (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/15/) for naruto's wellbeing then the mission. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/298/16/)
39. she tries to spare naruto's feelings with a "little white lie." (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/05/)
40. naruto's pain, at realizing (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/07/) behind sakura's injury. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/08/)
41. after nearly 3 years, all he has to say to her is "Ah, it's sakura."(the anime i believe doesn't even give him an amused tone) (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/07/)
42. sasuke locks eyes with naruto, not even giving sakura a second thought. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/16-17/)
43. she remembers her vow to naruto, before she charges sasuke(fully intent on bashing his pretty face into the ground). (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/308/06/)
44. with neither shock nor hurt, he turns to stab sakura, before yamato steps in the way. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/308/07/)
45. sasuke shows no concern what so ever if his body is taken over by orochimaru. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/10/)
46. sasuke, as he was before, is still more concerned with revenge then anything, or anyone, else in the world. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/11/)
47. sakura, with her own tears, (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/310/05/) renews her vow to naruto. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/310/06/)


Tell me again Why Hinata deserve Naruto now? tell me this please

:amuse Brother and Sister type of love, nothing more nothing less. Fact is until someone actually locks lips it all a guess we are reading NARUTO after all anything is possible. Plus all that shit you listed a good portion had a common theme... Sasuke.

[kkck]

Thanks a lot, that really shows how sakura has come a long way since part one (unlike others...).

[Jehuty]

What it comes down to with the question, who deserves Naruto more, is this. After all the lack of understanding, all the stubbornness, after all the hatred (giving into public opinion), after all neglect, after the lack of credit, after the insulting, the beatings, the guilting, after all the horrible shit Sakura's given Naruto over the years... after just a little bit of time being sweet on him, does she really deserve the wonderful person Naruto is? They'll probably end up getting together, but does she actually deserve him?

Or Hinata, who never ever asked anything from him other than that he be him?

[transition1]

What it comes down to with the question, who deserves Naruto more, is this. After all the lack of understanding, all the stubbornness, after all the hatred (giving into public opinion), after all neglect, after the lack of credit, after the insulting, the beatings, the guilting, after all the horrible shit Sakura's given Naruto over the years... after just a little bit of time being sweet on him, does she really deserve the wonderful person Naruto is? They'll probably end up getting together, but does she actually deserve him?

Or Hinata, who never ever asked anything from him other than that he be him?


Anyway we can't deserve someone love and we dont deserve anyone :D



:amuse Brother and Sister type of love, nothing more nothing less. Fact is until someone actually locks lips it all a guess we are reading NARUTO after all anything is possible. Plus all that shit you listed a good portion had a common theme... Sasuke.



But if the chapters that i listed are shyt yours is more than shyt seriously and if this is brother and sisterly then this mean yours is a master and a dog love.. Hinata said 10 words in the whole part 2 noo 6 words without the Naruto-Kun.. And Naruto said 8 words to her.. So nice uh? Naruto Said 8 words to Hinata in 300 chapters . And Hinata 6 words WOW Plus there not even conversation

The only conversation that we saw between Naruto and Hinata is when

Hinata said Lets do our best and then Naruto said Right. If this is what you call a pairing then it will really be the totally boring pairing ever. Even with a unknown person that ive never meet before, i still have more conversation with him well atleast more then 6 words :) jeez




If you truly want to see the feeling of Sasuke for Sakura here we go


1. all sasuke had to say to sakura, when she showed how worried she was, when she thought he was dead, was "you're heavy". looked more like he was annoyed. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/33/naruto_33_02/)
2. this could be taken as sasuke acting on pride, not any feelings he may or may not have for sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/55/18-19/)
3. Iruka explaining the "motto" at the end of the FoD, and showing/foreshadowing that naruto and sakura are what the other lacks. in a sense, they complete each other. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/64/10/)
4. sakura's genuine concern for sasuke. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/10/)
5. sasuke's rejection of her concern for him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/11/) and again. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/66/12/)
6. he's grouping both naruto and sakura together as "people dear" to him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/133/12/)
7. everytime(durring this fight), that naruto feels he is in over his head, he thinks of sakura in danger, and comes back stronger. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/134/11/)
8. sasuke doesn't even stay to make sure sakura's alright, he has the dog watch over her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/11/)
9. only being able to use his chin to pull himself forward, naruto still continues on. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/15/)
10. only after sasuke tells naruto that sakura is safe, does naruto relax, and succumb to sleep. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/138/17/)
11. naruto, seeing sakura happy, decides to leave, and let them be, even though the sight of her hugging him, causes him some pain. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/172/16/)
12. yet again, sasuke rejects sakura's kindness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/173/16/)
13. naruto reassures sakura, atleast partly, to see her smile again. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/178/16/)
14. the first thing he says to her, is a subtle insult. then he acts coldly towards her. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/06/)
15. she acknowledges that sasuke has never let her get any closer to him. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/07/)
16. perhaps it wasn't important enough for him to remember? (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/09/)
17. he is basically telling her, that he can't love her, because there is no room in his heart for love. it is only filled with hatred. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/12/)
18. he considers her words for no more then a moment, still continuing with his choice to leave, regardless if it means causing someone else to feel the pain he felt. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/13/)
19. she offers to throw away, that which he misses from his past. essentially telling him that her family and friends mean less to her then he does. she is basically, and unknowingly, throwing away everything he held dear. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/14/)
20. he reaffirms his ideal that she is annoying. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/15/)
21. he says "thank you" after she threatens to scream. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/181/17/) so what does it mean? "Thanks for caring?" "Thanks for the good times?" "Thanks but no thanks?" "Thanks for letting your guard down?" it could be any one of those.
22. the pain naruto feels, hearing the one that he cares for, crying over someone else. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/12/)
23. sakura's realization that naruto, better then anyone, understands loneliness. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/183/13/)
24. of the 3 flashback panels, 2 of them involve/relate to sakura. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/05/)
25. sakura trying to defuse the pain she sees in naruto's eyes, by forcing a smile. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/12/)
26. sakura's (possible) fear, seeing how far naruto went this time, wondering how far he'll go next time. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/14/)
27. she makes a promise to naruto. one that goes along with his PoaLT. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/17/)
28. she vows, and takes action, to become stronger to protect/save the boys she loves. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/236/18/)




Go read the askia32 essays it really explain well the feeling of Sakura for Naruto

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=666145


But no after this u still gonna say this is a brother and sister reliationship. So you dont need to read

just like every NaruHina fans come with

[PitchBlack857]

Anyway we can't deserve someone love and we dont deserve anyone :D

But if the chapters that i listed are shyt yours is more than shyt seriously and if this is brother and sisterly then this mean yours is a master and a dog love.. Hinata said 10 words in the whole part 2 noo 6 words without the Naruto-Kun.. And Naruto said 8 words to her.. So nice uh? Naruto Said 8 words to Hinata in 300 chapters . And Hinata 6 words WOW Plus there not even conversation

The only conversation that we saw between Naruto and Hinata is when

Hinata said Lets do our best and then Naruto said Right.

If you truly want to see the feeling of Sasuke for Sakura here we go

But no after this u still gonna say this is a brother and sister reliationship.

Yes, and all those quotes don't mean shit to me, they still feel like bro and sis, 63 % think the same as me so you lost. I'm not budging on this one until Kishi shows otherwise until then keep hope alive:D. Plus with Sasuke, that makes me believe she'll end up with Sasuke even more. Being a teenager myself and dealing with teenage girls daily I can tell you they like that bad boy shit. Nice guys finish last females get off on chasing a guy with a little edge to them.

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/deargod_stop.jpg

[Askia32]

Yes, and all those quotes don't mean shit to me, they still feel like bro and sis, 63 % think the same as me so you lost. I'm not budging on this one until Kishi shows otherwise until then keep hope alive:D. Plus with Sasuke, that makes me believe she'll end up with Sasuke even more. Being a teenager myself and dealing with teenage girls daily I can tell you they like that bad boy shit. Nice guys finish last females get off on chasing a guy with a little edge to them.

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/deargod_stop.jpg

Haha nice. So all 63% of you will be angry when Kishi does show otherwise.

Can I have a cookie too please?
[hr]

(Sorry, Im not going to reply to the "blah blah" post. I listed why I feel that the poll is the way it is now and why people feel Hinata deserves Naruto's love. . .don't know what there was to debate.)

No, J-man "knows more about Naruto than anyone else". This aint about who knows the most about Naruto out of "everyone else", this is about 2 characters and what they saw in Naruto. Hinata knew and understond/ loved/ admired the core characteristic in Naruto before Sak or most all people other than Sas in their age group had any clue that Naruto was actually acting out and not "just being a carefree child because, OMG, if like, I did that my parents would like so be on my case".

(Also note that this is the first and only time that Naruto opened up and said ". .. hey, this is all a act to make up for my short comings. Im just frustrated because Im always failing" where she than states how she knows Naruto aint prefect and understands where his strenght comes from http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/98/11/

She believed him to be a much stronger person than he actualy thought he was because she saw his core character for what it was. )



You speak of Hinata like she was the only one, and the first to notice Naruto's inner strength.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/22/Naruto22-09/
you give her too much credit.

Very true, Naruto did open up with her about the whole failing thing.

But about the whole Hinata admiration thing, Jammin explains that here
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=901595&postcount=708

Yes, Jiraiya knows more about Naruto more than anyone else, but Sakura understands Naruto more than anyone else.

I explain that here
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=876672&postcount=671

[nat]

@ kkck.

Sorry to be annoying or anything, but you quoted the wrong post/person. I was not the one who said those things it was PitchBlack857, I think there is something strange with the quote codes. Anyawy, I am pro NaruSaku.....( I don't like being added to the NaruHina club)


What it comes down to with the question, who deserves Naruto more, is this. After all the lack of understanding, all the stubbornness, after all the hatred (giving into public opinion), after all neglect, after the lack of credit, after the insulting, the beatings, the guilting, after all the horrible shit Sakura's given Naruto over the years... after just a little bit of time being sweet on him, does she really deserve the wonderful person Naruto is? They'll probably end up getting together, but does she actually deserve him?

Or Hinata, who never ever asked anything from him other than that he be him?

She has been mean to him for a year or less (ending at the Gaara Ichibi arc), and she has been nice to him for an almost similar amount of time. (we know for certain that more than 6 monthes passed).

Plus that beating is a sign of affection, like when Naruto used to challenge Sasuke not because he hated him. But because that was his way of being with him. Same with Sakura, her nature towards Naruto is taking care of him in that way... That does not include swooning whenever he gets a cut. There are many types of showing affection not only" N-Na-Naruto-kun" repeated to infinity....or "W-we should do our best".

Hinata hasn't asked anything, true and if she continues to ask nothing we will be very happy. She didn't add anything, like a zero to the left of a digit....How does that deserve anytthing?

What I am saying, for Hinata the feeling is there but the act isn't. And to deserve something you have to work for it...

[Jehuty]

@ kkck.

Sorry to be annoying or anything, but you quoted the wrong post/person. I was not the one who said those things it was PitchBlack857, I think there is something strange with the quote codes. Anyawy, I am pro NaruSaku.....( I don't like being added to the NaruHina club)



She has been mean to him for a year or less (ending at the Gaara Ichibi arc), and she has been nice to him for an almost similar amount of time. (we know for certain that more than 6 monthes passed).

Plus that beating is a sign of affection, like when Naruto used to challenge Sasuke not because he hated him. But because that was his way of being with him. Same with Sakura, her nature towards Naruto is taking care of him in that way... That does not include swooning whenever he gets a cut. There are many types of showing affection not only" N-Na-Naruto-kun" repeated to infinity....or "W-we should do our best".

Hinata hasn't asked anything, true and if she continues to ask nothing we will be very happy. She didn't add anything, like a zero to the left of a digit....How does that deserve anytthing?

What I am saying, for Hinata the feeling is there but the act isn't. And to deserve something you have to work for it...
A year?! Try six years, at least! You think it started when Team 7 was formed? She and the rest of the world were all assholes to him from the day he was born, so the academy years had to be up there. That sort of thing shouldn't instantly be absolved by "o hai hes kool."

[nat]

A year?! Try six years, at least! You think it started when Team 7 was formed? She and the rest of the world were all assholes to him from the day he was born, so the academy years had to be up there. That sort of thing shouldn't instantly be absolved by "o hai hes kool."


Puh-lease....Sakura was picked on when she was small, chouji was picked on..Gaara, no comment...Kids are alwyas mean to each other, especially if their parents tell them that the blonde kid is bad news...The rest of the World happens to include Iruka and Sandaime??

Hinata saw him, helped him, was his friend and eased his pain...so she deserves him, right??

[Jehuty]

Puh-lease....Sakura was picked on when she was small, chouji was picked on..Gaara, no comment...Kids are alwyas mean to each other, especially if their parents tell them that the blonde kid is bad news...The rest of the World happens to include Iruka and Sandaime??

Hinata saw him, helped him, was his friend and eased his pain...so she deserves him, right??
I'll tell you what Hinata did. She didn't give into random public opinion and hate him for his entire life.

And if you're honestly comparing Sakura's and Chouji's suffering with Naruto and Gaara's, then you're really stretching for an argument here. There is a phenomenal difference between being called fat or the usual childhood meanness, but hatred on the scale that Naruto and Gaara suffered is beyond any of that.

Sakura, on top of that, was specifically a total bitch to Naruto.

[nat]

I'll tell you what Hinata did. She didn't give into random public opinion and hate him for his entire life.

And if you're honestly comparing Sakura's and Chouji's suffering with Naruto and Gaara's, then you're really stretching for an argument here. There is a phenomenal difference between being called fat or the usual childhood meanness, but hatred on the scale that Naruto and Gaara suffered is beyond any of that.

Sakura, on top of that, was specifically a total bitch to Naruto.


the point of the post was not the amount of suffering, but the fact that kids were mean to each other. Especially when their parents told them, "Stay the hell away from the blonde kid!"

Sasuke was adored, even though ROOT wanted to snap his neck and ANBU watched him (to what extent I don't know, but he was watched more than the other kids). Since the parents thought the Uchihas were good and killed cruelly, the kids treated him like royalty in public.

Hinata knew he was suffering, she saw him yet she could do nothing......she did nothing that is the point!

How does she deserve him if she did nothing while seeing him treatd like hell?

Sakura treated him like badly, so did the other kids. When you are school sometimes it is hard to avoid doing that. But the important thing is not what happened 6 years ago but what is happenning now.
Gaara wanted to kill half of the Gennin back then, yet everyone loves him now.

[neomaster121]

I tihnk naruto and hinata will get together with children with some new eyes

[Jehuty]

the point of the post was not the amount of suffering, but the fact that kids were mean to each other. Especially when their parents told them, "Stay the hell away from the blonde kid!"

Sasuke was adored, even though ROOT wanted to snap his neck and ANBU watched him (to what extent I don't know, but he was watched more than the other kids). Since the parents thought the Uchihas were good and killed cruelly, the kids treated him like royalty in public.

Hinata knew he was suffering, she saw him yet she could do nothing......she did nothing that is the point!

How does she deserve him if she did nothing while seeing him treatd like hell?

Sakura treated him like badly, so did the other kids. When you are school sometimes it is hard to avoid doing that. But the important thing is not what happened 6 years ago but what is happenning now.
Gaara wanted to kill half of the Gennin back then, yet everyone loves him now.

And this is the fundamental flaw in your argument. You can't understand that there is a tremendous difference between ordinary child bullying and what Naruto went through.

As for Hinata? Often times, you needn't reward someone for being good... it is enough to torture them less. That alone makes her better than Sakura.

[nat]

this is really stretching out, anyway I believe in seeing proof as we have it.

Not the rare scenes that happened 6 years ago when kids were naive and foolish. Now they are older, wiser and more at peace with themselves and their emotions. What Sakura did for Naruto in part II, as showed in the previous posts with according links ( I am not going to re-post everything) is much much more than what Hinata ever did and felt. By your logic Sakura should also deserve him.


I am saying............> doing and not mumbling incoherently and fainting. Going out all the length and standing in Kyuubi's way just to stop his pain and getting hurt in the process. Also, there are feelings that are showed.

I always go back to my old point...> Character developpement..As much as Sakura, Sasuke have changed so did Naruto. That is the key, pale/rare scenes of 6 years ago are not a very convincing argument compared to the many moments that are happening now..



Ps: I really don't want to sound disrespectful, you are Jehuty after all ( I really respect you :p) . It's just that I have to stick by my argument .

[Jehuty]

this is really stretching out, anyway I believe in seeing proof as we have it.Seeing proof as we have it? What the hell does that mean?


Not the rare scenes that happened 6 years ago when kids were naive and foolish. Now they are older, wiser and more at peace with themselves and their emotions. What Sakura did for Naruto in part II, as showed in the previous posts with according links ( I am not going to re-post everything) is much much more than what Hinata ever did and felt. By your logic Sakura should also deserve him.Rare scenes? How about every day of Naruto's life? Sakura had to have Naruto's worth practically beaten into her, and only looked toward Sasuke for the longest time.



I am saying............> doing and not mumbling incoherently and fainting. Going out all the length and standing in Kyuubi's way just to stop his pain and getting hurt in the process. Also, there are feelings that are showed.Oh, suddenly all her old sins are absolved. Yeah, I'm not buying it.


I always go back to my old point...> Character developpement..As much as Sakura, Sasuke have changed so did Naruto. That is the key, pale/rare scenes of 6 years ago are not a very convincing argument compared to the many moments that are happening now..

I have no idea what pale/rare scenes you mean or are referring to, but you're likely trying to diminish the impact of what happened during the crucial formic years of Naruto's life. After what Sakura's done... she doesn't really deserve jack.

[nat]

I am talking about the scenes we have in the Manga.....That I take as proof, Hinata we saw her rarely while Sakura was always there. Not behind the scenes, anything could have happened then.

Also for proof. Read the Chapters in the second part that have Naruto and Sakura in them, and what happens there...That is what I call proof.

[Jehuty]

I am talking about the scenes we have in the Manga.....That I take as proof, Hinata we saw her rarely while Sakura was always there.

Also for proof. Read the Chapters in the second part have that Naruto and Sakura in them, and what happens there...That is what I call proof.
Right, and I still say, after all that Sakura's done, added to the fact that took a freaking slap in the face from Four-Tailed Naruto to really see the person he is, then she doesn't deserve him. Not in the least.

[nat]

The same four tails that almost killed J-man, his surrogative father/grandfather, yes.


Ps, I am commenting on a part of your last post (obviously) That it took 4 tails to slap her and see her for who she is (IUO)

[transition1]

Right, and I still say, after all that Sakura's done, added to the fact that took a freaking slap in the face from Four-Tailed Naruto to really see the person he is, then she doesn't deserve him. Not in the least.


Sakura wanted to help Naruto right before this. and there a plenty of evidence that everyone said already.


But Hinata dont want to help Naruto at all so w/e

[Jehuty]

Sakura wanted to help Naruto right before this. and there a plenty of evidence that everyone said already. but if you want to dismiss it your fault then


But Hinata dont want to help Naruto at all so w/e
Nope. She may have wanted to help, but it took the Four-Tailed transformation for her to actually see the full extent of who Naruto is.

And Hinata doesn't want to help? This makes me laugh.

[transition1]

Nope. She may have wanted to help, but it took the Four-Tailed transformation for her to actually see the full extent of who Naruto is.

And Hinata doesn't want to help? This makes me laugh.

What Hinata did for Naruto? give me some evidence instead of laughing. in part 2 :D

[Jehuty]

What Hinata did for Naruto? give me some evidence instead of laughing
Hinata isn't on the same team as Naruto. She has other responsibilities and obligations. There is a system in place that can't be broken. That's why Shikamaru and Chouji couldn't go with them to the Grass Country.

[transition1]

Hinata isn't on the same team as Naruto. She has other responsibilities and obligations. There is a system in place that can't be broken. That's why Shikamaru and Chouji couldn't go with them to the Grass Country.



Nah She faint instead to help Naruto or say Hi to Naruto

while Sakura train his ass off to help.
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She was on Naruto team this arc what has she done? instead of watching and worried. She still did nothing

[Jehuty]

Nah She faint instead to help Naruto or say Hi to Naruto

while Sakura train his ass off to help.
[hr]
She was on Naruto team this arc what has she done? instead of watching and worried. She still did nothing
And Sakura did?

[transition1]

And Sakura did?


Not this arc true. But even kakashi did nothing so you cant blame on Sakura. But this is what all Hinata could do in 300 chapters lolz.

But Sakura already did help Naruto after Naruto fighting Orochimaru in four tails kyubbi. She even saved his life by healing him. tell me what Hinata did now?

[nat]

Nope. She may have wanted to help, but it took the Four-Tailed transformation for her to actually see the full extent of who Naruto is.

And Hinata doesn't want to help? This makes me laugh.


How do you know that? you are presuming...She knew about 4-tails from Tsunade, and my presumption is that she wanted to help long before that

Actually this arc, nobody did anything except Kiba (go Kiba!) and Naruto, Sakura made a few smart comments so did Kakashi. Sakura understood Naruto and his capacities in the scene when he gets pranked by Mads, while Hinata is "N-Na-Naruto-kun..." again.....

Can you imagine if they get married....From the "N-Na-Naruto-kun..." he is bound to go insane and kill himself, or simply go gay, there is always Sasuke...

[Black/Light]

You speak of Hinata like she was the only one, and the first to notice Naruto's inner strength.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/22/Naruto22-09/
you give her too much credit.
Did you read my post right? I said in their AGE GROUP. The peers that Naruto grew up with. Kak is a grown man and just like with Naruto's teacher he has the insight that lil kids don't.



Very true, Naruto did open up with her about the whole failing thing.

But about the whole Hinata admiration thing, Jammin explains that here
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=901595&postcount=708

As I posted and explained in the post YOUR quoteing I very much think that he is using this phase out of contest. (as if one can't admire someone if they understand said person no matter what)


Yes, Jiraiya knows more about Naruto more than anyone else, but Sakura understands Naruto more than anyone else.

I explain that here
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=876672&postcount=671

And I dont think that that post shows her understanding much about Naruto at all that any one teamed up with him couldn't get. Not only are things like "Sas is like a brother" to Naruto basic known facts that Naruto has said himself (and anyone with common sense would think that Naruto is really attached to this guy) but things like "she trust Naruto's power" come from the fact that they are on the same team and he has had to kick ass infront of her to prove this.


Not this arc true but this is what all Hinata could do in 300 chapters lolz.
Number of chaps battle wont get us anywhere. She has had her times of helpfulness be it with Kab-oro or MD space-time crap. In fact, every member of team 8 helped in their own way where as Sai/ Sak took back sets.

And for whoever said "you can't deserve someone's love" (one could debate that but beyond that. .) I would like to know why you are debating the very topic if you see it as impossible for either to "deserve" to be loved by Naruto.

[Black Thought]

Hinata deserves the love more, but I think Sakura will get it. Because she loves Naruto deep down and besides Hinata's hair is like blue or black and Sakura's is pink. Pink is closer to red and I assume Naruto has the same tastes as his red hair woman loving father. Lol.