FMA Volume 19 Discussion (Chapters 74-78)

[Allashandra]

The RAW for Chapter 73 is out guys ^^ Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15218)

After you've downloaded and read the chapter, feel free to predict what is going to happen in the next chapter.

Remember, no spamming please ;)


Looks like we get to see a bit more of Fathers plans next month as well see some greed in action that will be awesome. Add into that I just found out that FMA is going to be on the cover of Gangan next month and will have color pages. Yay!

[shrimpy]

this is a really hard topic, lol.
I can't predict this at all. Uh, obviously Al will catch up with the crew (at least I think it's obvious) but who knows at this point? It could be a long part about briggs' situation, and maybe some rentanjutsu research note explanations. But I'm very bothered that Hoenheim hasn't done anything. After that crazy beginning to the Briggs arc, all he's done is let that shadow out (that was him right?) and ...nadda. His role nor why he has a clone hasn't been explained. Unless i missed something...

[Allashandra]

Well Hoenhiem let something out of him but I am pretty sure the 'shadows' were Pride. Though you are correct the relationship between him and father has not been fully explained.

[mirisu]

Yea. From this point, anything could happen in the next chapter. I personally want to see Riza / Roy=_=;;

For the transmutation circle on that paper that the hoenhaim clone(?) was looking at evilly and saying out names.. did you notice how all of them tried that "forbidden transmutation" (we're not sure of the real hoenhaim but i'm totally assuming he attempted it and succeeded>_>..since he's considered a great alchemist) of trying to bring back lives? and izumi was knocked over, cause she failed her transmutation..

this tickles my brain to see who the fifth person who meddles with life would bex_X...

[Saint Jimmy]

Yea. From this point, anything could happen in the next chapter. I personally want to see Riza / Roy=_=;;

For the transmutation circle on that paper that the hoenhaim clone(?) was looking at evilly and saying out names.. did you notice how all of them tried that "forbidden transmutation" (we're not sure of the real hoenhaim but i'm totally assuming he attempted it and succeeded>_>..since he's considered a great alchemist) of trying to bring back lives? and izumi was knocked over, cause she failed her transmutation..

this tickles my brain to see who the fifth person who meddles with life would bex_X...

Well, the brothers failed thier transmutation, but they werén't knocked over, I think Izumi was knocked over because she stopped trying to transmutate. But I think in the next chapter father will explain more of his plan and we see Al catching up with team scar. And if I'm not correct, was General Armstrong beeing replaced or just inspected? I guess we'll see more of that in the next chapter.

And have we already seen 'Pride'? I do believe there is a relationship (not lovers :P) between hohenheim and father. Perhaps it's what mirisu said that they are clones of one another.

[Allashandra]

Yes Pride has the been a part of the last 3 chapters. His identity has been revealed.

[RedshirtLackey]

New to the forums, and uncertain if anyone's posted this theory yet, so here goes.

We know by this point that the array in Amestris is all but complete and when activated will kill everyone in the country. What if it's not to create another Philosopher's Stone, but to collect the souls of the populace and put them in one container - the Father? God or Arakawa knows what kind of plans/alchemy require that much death (replicating the Truth?), but that's one of the only other ways I can see such a gigantic array being put to use for. I also suspect that the brass in Central aren't fully aware of or are deliberately being kept in the dark about the entire plan - there's conventional immortality, which the generals are probably thinking of, and then there's immortality as a soul trapped in a stone like the citizens of Xerxes. But that's enough out of me about the grand scheme of FMA.

As for next chapter, I honestly don't know how Briggs' new arrivals from Central will do Olivier any good. One general conveniently disappearing is easier to pull off than a slew of guests. I'm in agreement with most of the honourable members fo the board when I say anything could happen, and await Arakawa's genius in the next chapter.

[White Crimson]

Acting Command? Guess who the Fuhrer is going to put there? No doubt the only one there who take orders willingly, Kimblee!

It would be a very interesting turn of events if Major General Armstrong and Fuhrer Bradley had a sword fight or something.

I think that Alphonse seeing his body in front of the gate may cause for some trouble in the next chapter if he doesn't tell Edward.

It was cool to see Greedo/Ling again! I can't wait to find out who else Father is going to use! I have no ideas.....the connection between him and Hohenheim though....I've been thinking forever of a split of good/evil. Hohenheim=good, Father=evil. Thats a pretty good guess right?

I have to agree with you guys on this though. Arakawa's smarts are definitely to good to be thought of from her readers. So all we can do is guess.

[vemynal]

wouldn't it be interesting if Wrath put Mustang in charge of Brigg's wall and went up to the north to "secure the change of command" while he really keeps an eye on all 3.

It would finally place Mustang, Ed, Al, Hawkeye, and the Humuncli in one place.

Wrath also knows he can make Mustang do whatever he says if he threatens to harm hawkeye.

I also have the idea that the 5th Alchemist to "see truth" may be Mustang.

He after all has been repeatedly called a "candidate" and has brought up the subject of trying to remember a theory to bring someone back to life before.

I think if Riza was killed he finally might go over the edge, especially if 'father' or someone else offers him the stone for the transmutation (which we've seen they can use to open the gate without losing bits of themselves)

[White Crimson]

wouldn't it be interesting if Wrath put Mustang in charge of Brigg's wall and went up to the north to "secure the change of command" while he really keeps an eye on all 3.

It would finally place Mustang, Ed, Al, Hawkeye, and the Humuncli in one place.

Wrath also knows he can make Mustang do whatever he says if he threatens to harm hawkeye.

I also have the idea that the 5th Alchemist to "see truth" may be Mustang.

He after all has been repeatedly called a "candidate" and has brought up the subject of trying to remember a theory to bring someone back to life before.

I think if Riza was killed he finally might go over the edge, especially if 'father' or someone else offers him the stone for the transmutation (which we've seen they can use to open the gate without losing bits of themselves)

Thats true, so I have to agree with you completely. The reason I agree with you is because Mustang definitely would use the stone to try and return her to life, as we saw during the Havoc/Mustang/Lust fight, he ripped it out of her just to heal him. He would definitely be a good choice for a candidate. I really don't see why not.

Good thinking on the Mustang over Briggs thing too! That sounds more likely to happen then my idea.

[ssjasper2003]

Im gonna guess that marcoh might be the other person who opened up the gate, guessing from the people who have been introduced so far in the manga.

Also isnt sending AL out in the cold a bad idea cause the guy who told al about the auto mail they use up in the north from the normal automail he uses cause it can freeze & kill him. Wouldnt the cold hamper al on his search to find the others?

Next chapter, meh im hoping for some maneuvering from everyone to outwit kimbly & who ever the new guy is if hes on the fuhrers side.

[Saint Jimmy]

Yes Pride has the been a part of the last 3 chapters. His identity has been revealed.

Now that you've mentioned it, Pride is the fuhrers son The first humuculi



wouldn't it be interesting if Wrath put Mustang in charge of Brigg's wall and went up to the north to "secure the change of command" while he really keeps an eye on all 3.

It would finally place Mustang, Ed, Al, Hawkeye, and the Humuncli in one place.

Wrath also knows he can make Mustang do whatever he says if he threatens to harm hawkeye.

I also have the idea that the 5th Alchemist to "see truth" may be Mustang.

He after all has been repeatedly called a "candidate" and has brought up the subject of trying to remember a theory to bring someone back to life before.

I think if Riza was killed he finally might go over the edge, especially if 'father' or someone else offers him the stone for the transmutation (which we've seen they can use to open the gate without losing bits of themselves)

My god, have you seen the next chapter already? :P What you've predicted just may turn out to be treu. But the Mustang going over the edge after Lize/Riza is killed seems onreal to me, he'd go crazy if someone only hurt liza/riza. I think if liza is beeing killed Roy would get a mental break down...

[ssjasper2003]

http://www.mangarun.com/full_metal_alchemist/full_metal_alchemist_040/fma_v10c040p009.jpg

Wrath(fuhrer) says he will have roy open the gate so theres proof roy can be the last person needed to open the gate for whatever father has planned.

[schrodinger2011]

Im gonna guess that marcoh might be the other person who opened up the gate, guessing from the people who have been introduced so far in the manga.

Also isnt sending AL out in the cold a bad idea cause the guy who told al about the auto mail they use up in the north from the normal automail he uses cause it can freeze & kill him. Wouldnt the cold hamper al on his search to find the others?

Next chapter, meh im hoping for some maneuvering from everyone to outwit kimbly & who ever the new guy is if hes on the fuhrers side.

it's not very probable that marcoh opened the gate. considering in vol. 2 he had to use a transmutation circle on lust. therefore he hasn't seen the gate. And Al isn't made from automail last I checked.

-schro

[ssjasper2003]

No I meant that eds automail was made of normal automail that wasnt treated for the cold weather in briggs. Als armour is probably made of steel & some other metals so I wonder if ed changed the composition so its also "weather proof" to say.

Also ive been reading FMA from the start, the homunculus have said that they will get mustang to open the gate, marcoh seems the closest to be the next one to open the gate up. Also since al is able to use alchemy without a circle is he a pawn also.

http://www.mangarun.com/full_metal_alchemist/full_metal_alchemist_046/%5BSCS%5D%20FMA%20ch46%20-%2003.png

Hohenheim says he is a national alchemist, anyone know more info on this since im kinda fuzzy on the details. Also when he returns to ?risenbul? & pinako has a photo with him it says '66 so thats 1866 in the fma storyline & its around 1916 or so, he is atleast 80 years or so by now. Pinako also tells ed that his mother tells her to tell hohenheim that she was sorry & she was going ahead of him. Lol this is just a jab but what if they are homunculi htat can have kids lol hahaha.

http://www.mangarun.com/full_metal_alchemist/full_metal_alchemist_052/04.jpg
^Discussion about marcoh opening the gate, not much but just a single word.

http://www.mangarun.com/full_metal_alchemist/full_metal_alchemist_053/37.jpg
^ Is that the same thing(als body) al saw during the last chapter when hes walking in the snow to catch up with winry & co?

[hayateblitz]

http://www.mangarun.com/full_metal_alchemist/full_metal_alchemist_053/37.jpg
^ Is that the same thing(als body) al saw during the last chapter when hes walking in the snow to catch up with winry & co?

yap. i think its the same thing. cuz Al then went on and said something along the lines that he doesnt have much time left as his armor is starting to reject his soul,, which in turn is attracted to his real body behind the gate. That's why he (the soul) saw the body for the briefest of moments while he was wondering around the white white white landscape. Well,,, that's what i think is going on ^^

[Allashandra]

FMA has the cover this month as well as color pages...

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5143/0708con7.jpg Cover of Gangan
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4372/0708wp2.jpg Chapter 74 cover page

The raw should be out soon.

[FullmetalFlamingo]

umm......what does the cover say? I can't read japanese yet.

[Allashandra]

Well when the raw is finally out then a translator will begin translating the chapter and then those of who can't read jp will eventually know what the cover says. ^^

[Ichiki]

I don't know if it is real or not, but since in this blog is posted as well a comment of volume 17, I think it should be:
http://anwarterdrei.seesaa.net/

And here: here (http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11536&st=75&p=571377&#entry571377)
There's a traslation of that spoiler ;)

[schrodinger2011]

Also ive been reading FMA from the start, the homunculus have said that they will get mustang to open the gate, marcoh seems the closest to be the next one to open the gate up. Also since al is able to use alchemy without a circle is he a pawn also.



i've been reading FMA from the start as well. You didn't say that Marcoh was going to open the gate you said he already had. maybe i jsut misunderstood you. and if i did i'm deeply sorry.

About the translation. that is awesome. i'm very excited for the next RAW. thanks for translating

[ssjasper2003]

yap. i think its the same thing. cuz Al then went on and said something along the lines that he doesnt have much time left as his armor is starting to reject his soul,, which in turn is attracted to his real body behind the gate. That's why he (the soul) saw the body for the briefest of moments while he was wondering around the white white white landscape. Well,,, that's what i think is going on ^^

Yea like barry the choppers although his body was in the real world attached with someone else's soul. I forgot what chapter it is but al can use alchemy without a circle so maybe thats why his body has started to reject the soul since he saw the gate after the fuhrer killed that girl from greeds squad in the sewers.


i've been reading FMA from the start as well. You didn't say that Marcoh was going to open the gate you said he already had. maybe i jsut misunderstood you. and if i did i'm deeply sorry.

About the translation. that is awesome. i'm very excited for the next RAW. thanks for translating

Ah no I meant that marcoh is one of the likely people to open the gate due to the homunculi saying that they are going to make marcoh & mustang open the gate somehow.

Im curious as to what scars brother wrote in his book. I mean it was show a while ago I wonder how long it will be before it is revealed.


This is way off topic but does anyone else think that FMA will end after this saga of the homunculi ruling the amestris land. Im curious if they will explore ling, drachma, other countries although ling is intertwined with the current arc though not much about it(alchemy atleast) has been explained.

[springchild74]

Does anyone know when the raw for FMA chap.74 will be out? It's already past 12nd in Japan!!!

[Allashandra]

Well normally we would have seen it by now but sometimes things happen and the raw is late. It appears that is happening this month. So far there hasn't been a raw yet on the jp p2p networks. But as soon as one arrives it will be posted. Perhaps the scanner is on a vacation this week.

[springchild74]

Thanks for your note, it helped me calm down ... I usually get raws from "ritual" website, but their server seems to be messed up for the past couple of weeks .... i'm going craazyy!

Hopefully we'll see raw FMA pretty soon. I can't wait.

[Ichiki]

After two days we have at least a camera pic .__.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g281/doryuu/img_1391934_16659120_2.jpg

[Allashandra]

The raw is out finally yay! Get the raw and everything else here. (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16716)

[Allashandra]

The RAW for Chapter 74 is out guys ^^ Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16716)

After you've downloaded and read the chapter, feel free to predict what is going to happen in the next chapter.

Remember, no spamming please ;)

Looks to be an interesting chapter for 74 with Mustang, Risa, Ling, and others!

[springchild74]

Hello -- thanks for the headsup, I read the chap. 74 --- it was pretty cool to see Colonel Mustang, just because I love him. Amazingly (and a little movie-like! However, nice try though Arakawa-sensei!) Lt.(? correct?) Hawkeye managed to let Mustang know that Selim (the son of Bradley) was a Homunclus -- through a kind of scrambled messages embedded in their conversation. I wonder if Homunclus noticed anything contrived about the conversation. I am looking forward to see how Mustang is going to act now that the important information is revealed.

[schrodinger2011]

thank you for the RAW...i wish we had translations though...i'm growing impatient. lol

-schro

[DDavid]

i read the chapter with the trans (HisshouBuraiKen)

many questions and few answers in this chapter.


the story about hoenheim past
hoenheim was experimented on. :oh
and the most interesting thing: the genie in the bottle ;)
who is it? or rather what will it become?


it does look like pride, but it seems somewhat "more" loyal to hoenheim than to his master,
it thinks for itself.
(and that would make hoenheim the father's (ex-)slave)

[Kurodoura]

This is a bit a of useless trivia but the name that the shadow was going to give Hohenheim was Theophrastus Bombastus, which was the name that phillpe von Hohenheim changed his name to before he changed it to paracelsus. Well it was Philippe theophrastus auriolus bombastus von Hohenheim….but that just too long. So it more evidence that hohenheim’s character was based off Paracelsus.

[kadodo]

Man, what a chapter. The thing that I like the most about it was how Mustang and the other girl (forgot her name) were exchanging information on the table just by tapping their foot. That was just amazing to me.

The thing I want to know now is who was Hoenheim's master. Who was taking blood from him? Why was his blood important for the experiment?

[DDavid]

Man, what a chapter. The thing that I like the most about it was how Mustang and the other girl (forgot her name) were exchanging information on the table just by tapping their foot.
i thought it was taking the first letter of every name she said.
she told him quite a nonesense, apart form the info.

[Coolnerd89]

Yeah at first I thought they were using morse code because of all the noise, but it was the names instead... That was pretty damn cool xD I kinda like the history we got on Van in this chapter, this is really making me wish that the manga came out quick enough for the anime to keep up with it... this story line would be so cool to see in the anime :)
I did find the chapter very interesting though, that Hawkeye felt calm enough to even try and devoulge the info to Mustang but uh... this kinda puts Mustang in the same position as Hawkeye... So this could be bad :x Can't wait for the next one though.

[Coolnerd89]

I think we are going to find out how Van and Father are connected... I do think it has something to do with what Van's master was doing to him with his blood and such. I just can't believe that he that thing...
Well my prediction is!

Van unleashes the Humonculos... duh. We find out who Van's "Master" is and he runs away. However, Van's "Master" does more bloodwork and experimenting and creates Father! Yeah it's simple and kinda stupid, but hey, I calls um as I sees um.

As for Armstrong letting Bradley know that she knows what he is... yeouch, this could be dangerous. I think she will take over the old generals place and earn Bradley's trust, but something might happen to her making everyone think she turned, but really didn't xD

As for the Elrics, I really can't make any prediction... Oh wait, they travel through snow and lot's of tunnels :D
There you go

[kadodo]

Yeah at first I thought they were using morse code because of all the noise, but it was the names instead... That was pretty damn cool xD I kinda like the history we got on Van in this chapter, this is really making me wish that the manga came out quick enough for the anime to keep up with it... this story line would be so cool to see in the anime :)
I did find the chapter very interesting though, that Hawkeye felt calm enough to even try and devoulge the info to Mustang but uh... this kinda puts Mustang in the same position as Hawkeye... So this could be bad :x Can't wait for the next one though.


Yeah it looks like it was the names indeed that made the code. If read kanji, I would probably understand how Mustang found out the code.

I know this out of the subject but does an anime ever stop and come back again?

[springchild74]

Oh I know, how Mustang found the code, he took initials of all the names that were mentioned by Hawkeye. Like Scar "S", Elric "E", Lucy "L" etc. There were a few random letters, but in all it said "Selim is homunclus" in English, interestingly, haha. I would have thought they speak German or something close to it from the setting of their world!

As they talk, Mustang scribbled all the names down on the pad of sheets. He had to bring his work [the pads] to the lunch table because he was so busy after he lost Hawkeye, his best right hand. Hawkeye clanging the cup against the tray signaled to Mustang that she was going to devulge an important information. Mustang responded by tapping his pen. They did the same thing to signal the end of the special conversation. They must have prepared this long before. All these details Arakawa-sensei muster are amazing to me.

I also was impressed with the amazing guts of Lt. Hawkeye. The whole conversation was really well-crafted, and it was even funny. I hope Pride (Selim) didn't notice anything contrived about it. Hawkeye also surprised me when she measured the distance from the Fuhrer's residence and the central military headquarter (I think,) by foot in all of the chaos that was happening then with the battles with Lust (manga vol.10). She is truly a woman!

I love seeing Hawkeye and Mustang together. I love Mustang so much I wish I could be Hawkeye. But sadly, I am far from the kind of strong woman she is -- but I'm trying, ha ha.

I am also looking forward to the next episode for the scene of Armstrong returning to her room after the dreadful meeting with the military head conspirators with Homunclus. She is going to be welcomed by the roomful of flowers -- Mustang must be sending all the flowers he bought in the other episode! Aha! That will be so funny!

I'm so glad to find this forum where we can discuss FMA!!! A lot of ups to mangahelpers!!! Yoroshiku!

[DDavid]

I know this out of the subject but does an anime ever stop and come back again?
the anime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullmetal_Alchemist#Anime) has finished


As there was a limited amount of manga material available to adapt at the time of production, the storyline of the anime diverges from that of the manga around the middle of the series (around the end of book 6/start of book 7). [...] This divergence in story from the manga source material, however, was planned from the beginning of production, and was not done "just because" the anime caught up with the manga source material.





I also was impressed with the amazing guts of Lt. Hawkeye.
i like her too.
and about the flowers: mustang basically said to her that he got her message(ch 70), when he was refering to the florist.

[springchild74]

Actually, I was talking about what Mustang was telling to Armstrong in this chapter -- Armstrong rejected Mustang's invitation to dinner, so instead, he offered her flowers -- telling her Central City has many good flower shops. I'm sure that's the flowers Hawkeye refused to accept, in a previous chapter (or the one before), the ones he ended up with trying to derive information out of the florist. We'll probably see it in the next chapter or the one after or so.

[DDavid]

hmm ... how should i put it?
i was talking about the flowershop-line "only".
and that was of course not all, there's to it.

[FalcoUk]

One thing that struck me in this chapter is the "flashback", but as far fetched as this seems... Is it really a flashback?
My mind really has gone blank trying to remember whether Arakawa uses black-backgrounds to signal that its a flashback.. Whereas every page is white

Even when we solve that, theres the fact that Father is sleeping.. Therefore it could be that he is dreaming of his past, (As I said, far far far fetched)

Arakawa sure knows how to confuse a guy
It wouldn't suprise me if that WAS Father, we all know what Arakawa is like, look at the expression in the last page of it (35).. Damn thats evil :darn
Father and Hohenheim look the same so it wouldn't suprise me if they shared the name...

[DDavid]

wether or not father is dreaming about it,
it's definitely the past.

------Past ----------------------------------------------Present
slave boy 23 (not smart) --------????????---------> brilliant alchemist Hoenheim

"Homunculus" (smart) ??????????????????????????? Father

my bet is: 23 took the deal, (i can give you knowledge)
the homonculus gained a "human" body in this process (taking blood and flesh from 23 and thus becoming a look-alike)
or they merged (Transmutation) and unmerge later, because hoenheim doesn't want to be part of the homunculus' evil doing.

[springchild74]

>hmm ... how should i put it?
>i was talking about the flowershop-line "only".
>and that was of course not all, there's to it.

Oooh! That's right! The florist worked for Armstrong. You are so right, I had totally forgot about the information (that Armstrong wanted to tie up with Mustangs' Eastern troop) he received from the florist. Hey how cool is that, the way people convey information in FMA! Mustang to Armstrong, Hawkeye to Mustang.

But what do you think --- I wonder if Armstrong actually knew that Mustang bought that ridiculous amount of flowers to get the information?? We'll see! :D

[VanillaWiteOut]

I think Van Hoenheim is going to delve too deep into the mysteries of the Homunculus, and the little ball of muck in the flask is going to take his form and become Father.

As for Riza's little tentacle-clad problem, I think she's going to get a warning for a suspicious conversation held at the lunch table, but they don't know what she told him. My personal hope is that Mustang finds out that Riza is being watched, or at least asks how she got that cut on her cheek.

[Blitzkrieg]

i predict that
the homunculus in the flask wud probably require a host in exchange for information given to hohenheim. and then it wud take control of hohenheim, and co-exist inside his body, similar to Ling/Greed. then hohenheim wud probabli realize the homunculus' intentions or smoething, and try human transmutation on himself 2 create another body perhaps 4 the father or sthin.

as 4 mustang, i dont he wud do much

also the entrance of biddo, might bring somethin 2 ling/greed incident. either. 1 sparking greed's former memories which is unlikely or 2, results in him gettin killed
i dunno

[Emery]

Mm. I just read the entire series in a week. It's amazing.

Buuut, being a newbie to the series and all, I have to ask. When does FMA usually come out? Monthly, Bi-Weekly, or what?

[Allashandra]

Hi Emery,

I'm glad you are enjoying FMA! It comes out monthly. The raws usually show up around the 11th of the month. Sometimes a little earlier and sometimes a little later.

[Emery]

Ah, okie dokie then. Thank you.

[Saint Jimmy]

I think we'll get to see mustangs reaction on finding out that Selim is homuculus. Also we see the attackplan of the elrics for taking out kimbely. I don't think we'll get to see the fuhrer and armstrong much, rather whats going to happen at briggs: who's going to be in command, what the plans will be. and finally scar shows up, within briggs and something will go wrong. At least, thats what I think ;)

[Kallandras]

I do not believe that the homunculus inside the flask is father. I believe he is the homunculus who embodies selim/pride in the present, because pride once talked about being the first homunculus and the flask creature also looks very much like pride. Father might be something hohenheim later created and now wants to get rid of.

[nezzziel]

I do not believe that the homunculus inside the flask is father. I believe he is the homunculus who embodies selim/pride in the present, because pride once talked about being the first homunculus and the flask creature also looks very much like pride. Father might be something hohenheim later created and now wants to get rid of.

But I thought homonculi comes from father. Just like what happened to gluttony. He kinda made a new one. So I think that Father came before pride. But I think that you do have a point in saying that pride was the "first" homonculus and that he should be in the flask. Then again we don't know if that homonculus was the first one isnt it?

Very good speculations.
Im just gonna wait for the next chapter to come out xD

[LPnaurto]

i was also wondering about the selim/father conflict. Which came first father or selim?; its like saying which came first the chicken or the egg? well anyways, i think the manga is starting to slow down a little bit and i'd like to see more happen in each chapter like with the earlier ones. by the way, im new to reading FMA and i was wondering when i could expect the next chapter (chapter 75) to be released? i know that it comes outnon a monthly basis but im really eager to read it and would like to have an exact date. sorry if asking this makes someone want to start flaming me but if i want the answer i have to ask the question :p

[Allashandra]

Well no one can give you an "Exact date" The raw shows up any where from the 8th of the month to 13th. Then a couple days for the quick scans. A few more days for a better quality one. That's the best answer I can give you.

[LPnaurto]

oh cool thnx :P i guess i cant expect it to be out as quickly as naruto seeing as FMA chapters are soo much longer (and most of the time they're better too) okay well i guess ill hafta wait untill sometime next week

[matrice]

oh cool thnx :P i guess i cant expect it to be out as quickly as naruto seeing as FMA chapters are soo much longer (and most of the time they're better too) okay well i guess ill hafta wait untill sometime next week
Yes, they are longer and it's way better to read them once in a month, at least you can't put in useless pics 'cause you don't have space. The best thing would be that one read a weekly chap only when the volume is completed, so he would see the general picture complete, and not a pieces of information given away like pieces of bread to the pigeons.

[Emery]

Are people thinking that the homonculus thing is Father?


It looks like Pride's shadowyness. And Pride did say he was the first homonculus, whereas Father appears to be human. (He uses Alchemy - Homunculi can't)

[LPnaurto]

so what do you people WANT to happen? as long as there's some chemistry between ed and winry i'll be satisfied :p

[Boardwalk]

Father doesn't actually DO alchemy. He IS the source of their alchemy.
The panda girl (forgot her name) says in chap 67 that it feels like the ground is in agony. That kindof describes what the tortured, imprisoned souls that were manifested on the body of Envy were acting like.
Now as to who came first. Father obviously did, else Selim wouldn't call him father. Also theirs the fact that his name is Pride. People tend to have a lot of pride when they first accomplish something, especially children, and Selim would be the first closest thing the homunculus would come to having children.

I'm predicting the one who made the first philosophers stone was Van Hoenheim, using knowledge given to him by the homunculus. The homunculus probably then used some of those souls to create his own body, using Van Hoenheim as a blueprint for what a real human body should look like.

[LPnaurto]

Father doesn't actually DO alchemy. He IS the source of their alchemy.
The panda girl (forgot her name) says in chap 67 that it feels like the ground is in agony. That kindof describes what the tortured, imprisoned souls that were manifested on the body of Envy were acting like.
Now as to who came first. Father obviously did, else Selim wouldn't call him father. Also theirs the fact that his name is Pride. People tend to have a lot of pride when they first accomplish something, especially children, and Selim would be the first closest thing the homunculus would come to having children.

I'm predicting the one who made the first philosophers stone was Van Hoenheim, using knowledge given to him by the homunculus. The homunculus probably then used some of those souls to create his own body, using Van Hoenheim as a blueprint for what a real human body should look like.

^ that is actually a really good theory, i think you may actually be right and that would also explain why father looks alot like van hoenheim

[Ichiki]

Here:
http://community.livejournal.com/hagaren_manga/248132.html

There's page preview with a speed translation ;)

And here (http://blackenoir.forumfree.net/?t=20410282) a jap script from 2ch ;)

[LPnaurto]

Here:
http://community.livejournal.com/hagaren_manga/248132.html

There's page preview with a speed translation ;)

And here (http://blackenoir.forumfree.net/?t=20410282) a jap script from 2ch ;)

is there an english script out anywhere? i just cant wait anymore! even if its just one more day...

[Saint Jimmy]

Here:
http://community.livejournal.com/hagaren_manga/248132.html

There's page preview with a speed translation ;)

And here (http://blackenoir.forumfree.net/?t=20410282) a jap script from 2ch ;)

Dude, you come up with Spoilers from everyhting, and anruto and FMA :P You're the man :P

[Nami]

The RAW for Chapter 75 is out guys ^^ Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18147)
After you've downloaded and read the chapter, feel free to predict what is going to happen in the next chapter.
:amuse

[LPnaurto]

raw is now out just to let you guys know

[springchild74]

Thank you for the new upload for the raw (whoever did it ... thank you thank you thank you!!!) and wow even though no actions for Ed, Mustang, Hawkeye and Armstrong etc. there were a lot of new critical information on the identity of Hoenheim!! That was really a packed chapter!! WOW!! I can't wait to read the next chapter.

[Tailsnake]

The quality of the story has been really top notch for the past few issues. Hoienhiem's history was so masterfully handled (especially compared to the Anime). I don't think they're are that many more big reveals left n the manga, we should be entering the final arc soon.

[LPnaurto]

wait is the translated version out or were you people just reading the raw?

[Tailsnake]

The translation is out, but it hasn't beens scanslated yet

[Ecker]

Already scanlated... Look on the 3rd page of the topic if they didn't refresh it yet...

Good chapter... That explains a lot of who is Ed's and Al's father, and who the "Father" is.

[Ecker]

I think the centering willl go back to Al and the message now... It's just like already the time to continue that...

[LPnaurto]

will someone poste the link to the scanlated version when it comes out? thanks :P

[Tailsnake]

The scanslations are usually easy to find
http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2640

[RedshirtLackey]

I particularly enjoy Arakawa's habit of putting in little visual asides and allusions to previous chapters/side characters for the astute reader to pick up on. So far I've noticed that one of the servants on the first page, when Hohenheim's teaching everyone, looks a great deal like Marta (from the Devil's Nest way back in vol. 7-8). Ancestress or distant relation?

[hayateblitz]

omg! O.O great chapter! *speechless*

[Jame[S]tain]

Love it!!! explained everything~

[matrice]

No, not anything, since Pride is the first homunculus and the Father is a different person, and I don't know how and why the other homunculus were created. And the chapter actually leaves doubts about Hoenheim's true nature, since he stated to be the Philosopher's stone, but since it is even the nucleus of the homunculus, I don't understand if Hoenheim is an homunculus or not...

[matrice]

I would like a dialogue between Hoenheim and Izumi that explains a few things about his nature and the future plans of the Father, and maybe the reason for leaving his family. Then back again to the North.

[hayateblitz]

@matrice

i guess Jame[S]tain meant everything weird about Hohenheim and his identical / potentially evil "twin" :P

But here's what i think

Hohenheim gained a body that doesnt decay by being infused with the souls of half the ppl in xerxes. (Philosopher's stone = boundless energy from millions of souls) THEREFORE: hohenheim is now the equivalent of a philosopher's stone. Not homunculus cuz he's not a man made being.

Father on the other hand, was a homunculus created without a body,, created a body for himself - in the appearance of hohenheim just cuz he felt like it - by using the other half of the souls. SO: Father = man made being = homunculus. And i guess having the philosopher's stone + vast knowledge of alchemy gives him alchemical powers?

First homunculus = first homunculus made by father?

how homunculus is created - from what we know, some amount of blood is a must... and i guess energy.. the more energy inputed the more "complex" the homunculus? meaning: not a talking blob in a flask :P

Other homunculus with stone as nucleus,,, i guess, since father is technically also a philosopher's stone, he can use it in anyways to his liking ^^ like, making a seemingly immortal homunculus out of it (as they have their own supply of energy to regenerate). And i guess all these homunculus were created to help him carry out his "take over the world" plans or was it "destroy the country to make one giant philosopher's stone so father can prolong his life" plan? not sure (I can't recall) oh. or maybe he wanted to create his own family and hence find his own happiness (aww.. wouldnt that be sweet..)

one thing that troubles me though is how old father looked compared to Hohenheim, and how attached he is to that machine (life support?) eventhough they were about the same age / physically the same age after that event... i'm guessing something is definately wrong with that old guy.. maybe cuz he is using up his supply of philosopher's stone? hence the aging? hmm hmm.

anyways, more fma please! XD

[RedshirtLackey]

Is it possible that Father's been dividing his supply of souls amongst the Sins, lessening the amount he has, while Hohenheim's been limiting his alchemy use? We've seen that Envy has the Xerxes population in his Philosopher's Stone, so that would account for some of the discrepancy in age/appearance...

[Tailsnake]

My theory about the aging is based on the way they use their philosopher's stone.

Hohenheim seems to hate using the power of the stone (mainly because he knows all the people that were used to create it). This it seen rather clearly in the carriage incident where he apologizes before using their souls. So overall he's used very little of the stone's energy.

Father on the other hand has been using his stone extensively to carry out his plans, so he's used up quite a bit of his stones energy (father expected Hohenheim to be dead because most humans would've wasted the power rather quickly). So father is close to "dying" in essentially the same manner Gluttony "died," except father actually shows the age due to the stone making up his entire body.

[Hemostrat]

Does anyone remember what chapter the carriage thing was?

[hayateblitz]

what "carriage thing"? i can recall a lot of carriages :P

[Saint Jimmy]

Just as Matrice said, first a little chit-chat between hohenheim and Izumi. After that we'll get to see rather Ed reaches Thw wall in time or that Scar gets busted.

[pirate-hitman:L]

I think he means when The badits tried to rob Hohenheim, so they shot him, but he didn't die.

[hayateblitz]

oh. THAT carriage thing :P That was quite early on in the manga wasnt it? right after he left Rensenbul (cant seem to rmber how to spell it) without Ed saying goodbye.. found it! Chapter 46 ^^

[riice]

I agree with Ecker.. we haven't heard about Al for like two months. It's time to go back D:

Though I'm pretty sure Arakawa will continue the VH/Izumi thing...eventually >_< And maybe we'll find out what VH did in the north / get some insight on the military meeting Armstrong's part of now..

[genkigemini]

I would like to see a bit of Winry and Scar and then more of Al trying to get to them before it it is too late. I am also confident that we will get more VH/Izumi conversation too.

Things are really good! :clap2

[Hemostrat]

Thank you ^^

[Emery]

I predict...

-Izumi's reaction to Hohenheim.
-Some scenes of Al.
-Some scenes Mustang.

[conan]

Iwas rereading FMA and remembered the guy mentioned by mei chan, she said something about the sage that came from xerxes and found rentanjutsu after mixing the original xingese healing arts with alchemy, marcoh says that there is a similar story in amestris too, what I was thinking is could hoenheim be this guy, since he's lived for so long, could it be he is the founder of rentanjutsu, and could he be the mentioned charracter, just something that popped into my mind lately after rereading fma and this last chapter says a lot about this.

[bax]

The chapter 76 is out guys :amuse Get your fix HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19670)!!!

After enjoying the chapter, why not stop by and predict what will happen in Chapter 77?
Tell us your thoughts :)

Predict away ^^

[HisshouBuraiKen]

Really going for the longshots, eh Emery?

Well, this chapter was "holy fucking shit" worthy at the end. The RTS is in full swing and my translation's finished - get the goods at
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19670

[LPnaurto]

can someone pm me a link to the translated version when it comes out please? thank you

[riice]

This chapter's depressing on so many levels v_v

[irke]

I firmly belive thet Ed will be rescued by someone. Maybe the chimera guys?
And I think he'll meet Al at the Gate (both having the near-death experience).

Since some chapters I have the feeling that Arakawa sensei is foreshadowing that Ed might have to kill someone to survive or rescue Al. This chapter strenghtened this feeling. :(

[springchild74]

Thank you always for uploading the raw. You are angels.

This chapter was not as exciting as the previous one only because of the contrast with the previous chapter which was way too exciting for all new revelations which answered many mysteries.

I also agree with someone who said Ed would be rescued or if not be okay. Main character cannot die! Well, at least *I* think he shouldn't. But in any case it looks like something interesting is going to happen in connection with the changes happening to Alfonso. Definitely something to look forward to in the next month's chapter!!

But Arakawa sensei, how am I going to live without seeing Roy, now for two long months????????? :darn

[conan]

well at last, reality pushes down against the elric brothers, its about time they faced the world like adults, how far could ideals go, how strong is ed's resolve to not kill, how are they going to survive, how am I going to wait for a whole month to find out the answers???

well at least we are sure now that hoenheim is the sage of the east that created rentanjutsu as I said in the last chapter discussion thread, mei just confirmed it for me.

[hayateblitz]

AAHHH!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Y'know, them both falling unconcious at almost the same time might mean their souls will meet in front of the gate. Which means its about time AL get his body back XD (optimistic thinking)

I'm sure Ed is just severely injured.. he wasnt stabbed in the heart or anything.. (more like his stomach.. which is still serious >.<)

Ah. Hope Kimbley doesnt catch up to them. meh. getting really interesting~ cant wait for next month's!

[riice]

I firmly belive thet Ed will be rescued by someone. Maybe the chimera guys?
And I think he'll meet Al at the Gate (both having the near-death experience).

Since some chapters I have the feeling that Arakawa sensei is foreshadowing that Ed might have to kill someone to survive or rescue Al. This chapter strenghtened this feeling. :(

I really agree with that first part. It's way too early in the story for either of them to die.

Perhaps Marcoh/Mei will heal him? And if Al had a rejection, then all Ed needs is the stone to get him and his body from the gate.

There was a lot of foreshadowing that Ed's resolve to not kill would lead to his demise (Like earlier in the chapter when Major Miles warns him, "Your soft-heartedness might get you killed one day")... Maybe this near-death experience will teach him a lesson..


OH! I just thought about your gate idea. That's completely possible since their minds are "linked". Good theory *_*

I wonder what'll happen to Scar's "crew" now that they've been found out and have no place to hide D:

[riice]

I think Ed will be saved by someone, and possibly healed by Mei or Marcoh. It's too early for the main character to die; I'd expect him to get involved in the conclusion of the manga, not just randomly get killed before it could go into effect. Main characters in other manga get PLENTY of near-death experiences (example - Ichigo when he fights Byakuya on earth, then later his fight with Ulquiorra), and someone comes along and fully restores them. Maybe this is Ed's turn? [I'd expect Ed to stick around until at LEAST to find out Father's plan, and what 'human sacrifices' really are. And possibly try stopping him. But FMA's Ed's coming-of-age story, so I don't think he should die at all D:]

Also, I think Arakawa will at one point go back to the earring thing.. Since pretty much all Arakawa includes is significant, why not the fact that Ed has to return Winry's earrings? I think that if the earrings thing was a random dead end, Arakawa would just have Winry put them in her pocket.. Or something. I dunno.

And let's not forget that Winry has to cry tears of joy at Ed & Al getting their bodies back, and Ed just has to cry, period. P: Not necessarily in ch. 77, but eventually.


Well, anyway. As for Al... if he had a total rejection, it might be possible he's gone for good (until someone brings his body and soul from the gate). OR OR WHAT IF LIKE ED AND AL BOTH GET TO THE GATE AND ED'S SOUL GETS TIED TO THE ARMOR IN A WEIRD TURN OF EVENTS.

... Okay, that was random. Ignore that last sentence P:

[Quartz-pebble]

They're the main characters. They're not going to die. Not yet, anyway. However, I firmly believe that -anyone- in this story besides the two brothers can be axed at -any- time, without notice or warning.

[silverxrain]

AAHHH!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Y'know, them both falling unconcious at almost the same time might mean their souls will meet in front of the gate. Which means its about time AL get his body back XD (optimistic thinking)

I'm sure Ed is just severely injured.. he wasnt stabbed in the heart or anything.. (more like his stomach.. which is still serious >.<)

Ah. Hope Kimbley doesnt catch up to them. meh. getting really interesting~ cant wait for next month's!

Ed is most definately dead, coz fma is different from those anime/mangas where you can get a fatal hit on the head and not die (eg. inuyasha, naruto, etc. and not that it's a bad thing) But I think the Homunculus (hoenhiem look alike) will transmute him or something, because he needs Ed for his hideous plans... I hope :(

[Tailsnake]

Ed is most definately dead, coz fma is different from those anime/mangas where you can get a fatal hit on the head and not die (eg. inuyasha, naruto, etc. and not that it's a bad thing) But I think the Homunculus (hoenhiem look alike) will transmute him or something, because he needs Ed for his hideous plans... I hope :(

FMA may not be as generic as some shonen manga, but it's still Shonen. Ed and Al won't die, this isn't Berserk, Gantz, or Bastard.

I suspect Ed will either get saved by Marcoh/the xing girl or Hoenhiem, then Ed will proceed to reattach Al's soul back to his body. I have a feeling Al will catch a glimpse of his body during this ordeal.

[cyj]

i think ed will be saved by someone. but all the alchemists are quite far away from him now. and not to mention that psycho of a crimson alchemist is on al and co.'s trail. i think we will probably see him and scar face off. and i think al may have a chance to talk to his body while the 2 of them are still knock out. oh dear, i hope ed and al will be ok...

[pirate-hitman:L]

EEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!
The gate will be in the next chapter. No doubt.

[cyj]

wait! before we grief for ed's death, i seem to rememeber that ed snatched one of the philosopher's stones from the maniac of a crimson alchemist. i think the situation now is most probably he still has it, someone either mei or dr marcoh will get to him asap and save him using the philosopher's stone. i sure hope it will happen this way...

[riice]

i think al may have a chance to talk to his body

How do you talk to your body? ._. I'm pretty sure he'll just wake up at the gate and notice he's in his body; not have conversations with it >_<


If crimson went to go find al and his crew, then perhaps major miles and his men will get ed out of the tower (they're right next to it).

[riice]

i seem to rememeber that ed snatched one of the philosopher's stones from the maniac of a crimson alchemist.
he doesn't have it; he knocked it out of kimblee's hand and it fell somewhere.


The gate will be in the next chapter. No doubt.
I agree. Al had a rejection, where else would he go? D:


FMA may not be as generic as some shonen manga, but it's still Shonen. Ed and Al won't die, this isn't Berserk, Gantz, or Bastard.

Again, I agree. There's no way the main character can die so far before the end of the series. There's no way that FMA can continue for another 10+ chapters without the person it's named after. Get real, people, get real. And I do believe Ed's wound is only fatal if he bleeds to death. Which is a stupid way to die.


then Ed will proceed to reattach Al's soul back to his body.
WAITWAITWHAAT? What body? And either way, I don't see him making another sacrifice for Al. Not because of selfishness or anything...I just ...yeah. Can't picture it (maybe Winry will convince him to wait or something..? I dunno.).

[Tailsnake]

WAITWAITWHAAT? What body? And either way, I don't see him making another sacrifice for Al. Not because of selfishness or anything...I just ...yeah. Can't picture it (maybe Winry will convince him to wait or something..? I dunno.).

Well I meant to say armor, anyway I don't think he needs to make a sacrifice for the actual reattachment. If my memory serves me correctly he sacrificed his arm and leg for the knowledge to attach a soul to an object, he should be able to do it indefinitely with losing another extremity.

[Zar]

riice, from your other topic and how the stone he kicked away somewhere. There's no way it will be left anywhere in that wreck. So my thoughts are that either Crimson is looking for it still, or he left. Knowing him, I don't think he'd "waste" his time with Ed. Meening he's still alive. Then again, he could of underestimated it's explosive power...

Also, I think it's quite obvious that Ed & Al have a life or death bond between each other. A little more than your friendly brotherly bond. Also taking into account, okay, this might be a Matrix quote but something like this might of been said way back when. The mind cannot live without the body. So if the body dies, then so does the mind...Okay, I forget where I was going with this or I've been subconciously ixnaying this thought. Anyways...

If Crimson's first stone is somewhere about, he might 'luckily' find it...nah.

[riice]

Well I meant to say armor, anyway I don't think he needs to make a sacrifice for the actual reattachment. If my memory serves me correctly he sacrificed his arm and leg for the knowledge to attach a soul to an object, he should be able to do it indefinitely with losing another extremity.

Nnah, I think he got the knowledge on how to do it from seeing the truth from the failed human transmutation (when he lost his leg). And the chapter closes with Ed attaching Al's soul and Truth guy getting his arm.

[cyj]

How do you talk to your body? ._. I'm pretty sure he'll just wake up at the gate and notice he's in his body; not have conversations with it >_<


If crimson went to go find al and his crew, then perhaps major miles and his men will get ed out of the tower (they're right next to it).

what i meant was that ed actually had the chance once to see and actually converse with al's body didn't he? maybe al will get that chance too......

[riice]

what i meant was that ed actually had the chance once to see and actually converse with al's body didn't he? maybe al will get that chance too......

yeah, but if it were his body, wouldn't he just like..be IN it? like when ed went to the gate to get out of gluttony, he thought something along the lines of 'my body's at the gate, so if i don't struggle, i'll wind up there'. but when he got to the gate, his body wasn't like..waiting for him or anything (because he was already in it?). Since the body & soul are linked, i don't think they'd be just chilling standing next to each other or anything.

..am i making sense? ._.

[purplerose_04]

it is given that someone will save Ed, just who? I dun think it is Marco or Mei though since well they kinda not around Ed.. hmm.. maybe the Homonculus since they definitely dun want Ed or Al do die and disappear since they need him.... but yea... unless Marcoh run reeally fast to where Ed is.. it be kinda hard.. but maybe Ed and Al will see Al's body...

[god_of_shawn]

Well, we all know that Ed will not die, he is the main char. lol. But who will save Ed....i am sure some1 will...

[Punky fish]

It would be nice to know more about Hohenheim......he should go to save Ed and Al......or maybe Father comes and saves them, if he needs them alive!!??

[jojo-kun]

I think that there is a chance that Kimbley will realize his mistake (in mortally wounding one of the important 'sacrifices') and push one of the Philosopher's stones into Ed's wound. It will mix with his blood and he will become a homunculus hybrid like Wrath and GreedLing.

We're still missing a Lust, aren't we? We've got all of the other homunculi accounted for, but no one has replaced Lust yet. And how is Kimbley to know what will happen if the stone comes in contact with blood? No one has told him. He might think that it might help heal Ed.

In any case, Ed will most definitely live. But what a cliffhanger!!

And Al's soul is most definitely directly linked to Ed's life. After all, it was Ed's own blood that was used to make the seal in the first place. It will be interesting to see what happens next, especially with Al's bond to the suit having become as unstable as it is.

[Keshire]

I think that there is a chance that Kimbley will realize his mistake (in mortally wounding one of the important 'sacrifices') and push one of the Philosopher's stones into Ed's wound.

There'd be more of a chance that he landed next to the discarded stone and transmutes his soul into a new body and sends his old one through the gate. Than someone who's core existence being destruction saving him.

Would certainly be a twist if Al got his body back and Ed was forced into a created one.

[White Crimson]

Well The Philosopher's Stone did get dropped down...and thats where Edward did fall. As was said Arakawa never shows anything insignificant and Crimson dropping it down a pit may just be what Edward needed. its pretty impossible for the Scar troupe to head back to save Edward without running into Crimson so that scratches that out.

I think what was said about Alphonse is true. He may have an 'out of armor' experience with his body at the gate.

I'm still kind of waiting on Miles to get an attack on Crimson myself. Since he really hates him anyway.

[jojo-kun]

Now that I've thought about it a little more, if Ed came into contact with a Philospher's stone in the way that's needed to become a human-based homunculus, he would die for sure. The transformation process and struggle for supremacy over the stone would be too much for him in his present condition. Unless of course he is a huge-ass Mary-Sue. :p

Transmuting his body and putting his own soul into a created one would definitely be an interesting twist. Especially if Al ends up getting his body back from the Gate. He would have to make his body from scratch, though, since there's nothing readily available for him like the suit of armour. Not that he can't do it with all of the raw materials from the building around him.. but you never know!

From an earlier reply, I also think that Winry giving Ed her earrings will have significance for him later on. They would be something concrete for him to hold on to - a strong reminder of his life and his love for her, and something to keep living for. If he were to be on the brink of death and have to fight his way back to the land of the living, remembering Winry's earrings and remembering Al would definitely be things that he would fight to come back for.

Can't wait for the next chapter!

[riice]

We're still missing a Lust, aren't we? We've got all of the other homunculi accounted for, but no one has replaced Lust yet. And how is Kimbley to know what will happen if the stone comes in contact with blood? No one has told him. He might think that it might help heal Ed.


I actually don't think there can be another Lust. The only reason Father was able to recreate Greed and Gluttony was because he took their Philosopher's stone's back (he drank the stone after Greed melted in the oil thing, and ripped Gluttony's stone out). And Lust's perished when its energy was used up in her fight with Mustang.

That, and Ed as Lust brings about a strange mental picture. >.>

It might be possible for him to create a different homunculus, though..

[alexlw92]

what if they bring in the anime. ed died the same way in the anime, impaled by something. but the gates thing is different, and it would probably be annoying to bring in our world to the FMA mangaverse, so nvm

[Sam Webster]

Ed won't die. Fact. As mentioned there's the ear rings thing.

My focus is on Al right now, as we already know, Ed sleeps and eats to accomodate both his own body and Al's. We know the two are mentally linked too, through Ed seeing two doors and Al's body when he got out of Gluttony's stomach.

I predict that he'll use the Stone Kibley dropped to heal himself, but while he's doing this, Al will get to see his body for more than a flash.

Scar VS Kimbley is inevitable and it's only right that Scar be the one to finish the Crimson Alchemist off once and for all - as shown, Ed's too soft hearted to do it himself.

[riice]

Ed won't die. Fact. As mentioned there's the ear rings thing.
I predict that he'll use the Stone Kibley dropped to heal himself, but while he's doing this, Al will get to see his body for more than a flash.

Scar VS Kimbley is inevitable and it's only right that Scar be the one to finish the Crimson Alchemist off once and for all - as shown, Ed's too soft hearted to do it himself.

I agree with the earrings thing 100%. I don't see what other purpose they can have (and they DO have one).

And of course there has to be a Scar vs. Kimblee scene. Kimblee's obsessed with killing Ishbalans, Scar's obsessed with revenge- it works out, yes?

Though I'm not sure I agree with the 'Ed too soft to do it himself'. I would have before ch 76, but now...Hm. Ed might realize that Miles, Kimblee, and whoever else were right and he can't be softhearted on the battlefield.

[LPnaurto]

I agree with the earrings thing 100%. I don't see what other purpose they can have (and they DO have one).

And of course there has to be a Scar vs. Kimblee scene. Kimblee's obsessed with killing Ishbalans, Scar's obsessed with revenge- it works out, yes?

Though I'm not sure I agree with the 'Ed too soft to do it himself'. I would have before ch 76, but now...Hm. Ed might realize that Miles, Kimblee, and whoever else were right and he can't be softhearted on the battlefield.

but is it not true that Ed had the oppertunity to kill kimbly off but he chose not to? thats what i remember happening; Kimbly was overwhelmed by Ed's speed because he'd forgotten about the adjustments he'd gotten to his automail and in that moment Ed could have killed him instead of slashing his palms.

[Saint Jimmy]

but is it not true that Ed had the oppertunity to kill kimbly off but he chose not to? thats what i remember happening; Kimbly was overwhelmed by Ed's speed because he'd forgotten about the adjustments he'd gotten to his automail and in that moment Ed could have killed him instead of slashing his palms.

True, thats why Ed is still to soft, he needs to put aside some of his feelings, eventough he is still a child. Learn young, old done.

I think Ed and Al somehow see eachother and the doors of truth, knowing that they are on the edge of life. Then they have a chitchat on how they must survive, so they return to their body's, except for Al, he returns to his armor :P But before they leave to return to their body's they see Al real body and they both want to go back, but can't.

[riice]

but is it not true that Ed had the oppertunity to kill kimbly off but he chose not to? thats what i remember happening; Kimbly was overwhelmed by Ed's speed because he'd forgotten about the adjustments he'd gotten to his automail and in that moment Ed could have killed him instead of slashing his palms.

Yeah, I know, I know. I meant that before and during his fight w/ kimblee, he was too soft. but now that it's nearly gotten him killed, he might learn a lesson, yes?

(I'm sorry, I shoulda been more specific <___< )

[Cthulh]

Well I meant to say armor, anyway I don't think he needs to make a sacrifice for the actual reattachment. If my memory serves me correctly he sacrificed his arm and leg for the knowledge to attach a soul to an object, he should be able to do it indefinitely with losing another extremity.

Well first off, he didn't sacrifice both his arm and leg at the same time. He lost his leg at the initial encounter with the gate, and it was the toll to gain the alchemical knowledge. His arm however was used as the toll to retrieve Al's soul.

But yes, in theory he should be able to just attach a soul that is there (such as Al's or any living person's soul, etc) to anything using a blood rune. It's just a matter of using the materials present, it's not like he's creating anything. He might see the gate because it's human alchemy, but I don't know why he'd have to pay a toll. >_>

Edit: Thinking about it, no a blood rune could not just attach any soul to anything. I believe the soul has to be related to the blood, which is how it's bound to the seal. In turn, the blood seal itself must be placed on something that it can 'bond' to. This was explained in the case of armor, the iron in the blood binds to the armor's metal.

[Cthulh]

yeah, but if it were his body, wouldn't he just like..be IN it? like when ed went to the gate to get out of gluttony, he thought something along the lines of 'my body's at the gate, so if i don't struggle, i'll wind up there'. but when he got to the gate, his body wasn't like..waiting for him or anything (because he was already in it?). Since the body & soul are linked, i don't think they'd be just chilling standing next to each other or anything.

..am i making sense? ._.

The reason that Ed was saying that part of his body was at the gate was because 'Truth' has his arm and leg. The guy even is shown with Ed's limbs, and makes some comment I can't recall.


As for the stone stuff, I agree that Lust is most likely gone for good. One thing I am wondering about though is the difference between Greed and Gluttony's revivals. Greed was kinda melted down into a new "philosopher's elixir" and lost his memories, and Gluttony's stone was just pulled out with the intent to retain his memories. But meh, that's not related to this chapter.

I'm definitely looking forward to a showdown with Crimson. But who says it has to be 1 on 1? Scar and Miles could work together, even if it was in some minor way. It would make sense, and it could give Scar some more faith in the military. Heck, it even might give an opening to reveal his real name. =D (Like that'll happen though...)

[Quartz-pebble]

One thing I am wondering about though is the difference between Greed and Gluttony's revivals. Greed was kinda melted down into a new "philosopher's elixir" and lost his memories, and Gluttony's stone was just pulled out with the intent to retain his memories. But meh, that's not related to this chapter.



Basically it's as you said. Father couldn't change Greed's mind, so he just recycled his stone. Gluttony on the other hand, was a useful, loyal pawn, and would be a hassle to either let his stone run out, or recycle it and have to teach him everything again. I'm curious to see if his appearance or abilities change though.

[St3phni]

k i already know that there's another predictions forum for chapter 77 of FMA but that one has too much so i decided to make a new one :D

Anyways what do u think will happen in chapter 77? o and the chapter comes out on Nov 12
[hr]
K heres my prediction. I dont know if this will happen but what if it did...

Ed kills the crimson alchemist and passes out. Then a homonculus or Father appears and comments on how stupid Ed was and then makes him into a homonculus.

I dont know if this happens but what if it did? Then it would be like sooo awesome!

[LPnaurto]

Yeah, I know, I know. I meant that before and during his fight w/ kimblee, he was too soft. but now that it's nearly gotten him killed, he might learn a lesson, yes?

(I'm sorry, I shoulda been more specific <___< )

yea that makes a hell of a lot more sense but maybe i would have understood that the first time around if i had payed more attention sorry :P ok so like, i think what you said is absolutely correct; after, and im saying after because Ed CAN'T be killed off before the series is over, Ed is all healed and able to walk fight and do his usual thing, he will think back to his fight with kimbly and realise that you can't avoid killing your opponent everytime you're in a fight because it might lead to another near death experience or maybe even death.

[riice]

yea that makes a hell of a lot more sense but maybe i would have understood that the first time around if i had payed more attention sorry :P ok so like, i think what you said is absolutely correct; after, and im saying after because Ed CAN'T be killed off before the series is over, Ed is all healed and able to walk fight and do his usual thing, he will think back to his fight with kimbly and realise that you can't avoid killing your opponent everytime you're in a fight because it might lead to another near death experience or maybe even death.

I agreee. I definitely think Ed might be forced to kill later on. Though i'm not sure if he'll fight with kimblee (just because Scar & Kimblee haven't finished their fight). Maybe, though. Yeah.

I think most (if not all) of us here will agree that Ed can't possibly be dead. And the best part is we'll find out in less than ten days *_*

[danae3]

So, I know that the new chapter is set to come out soon here (like within the next 48 hours), but I just had this thought. Maybe Ed and Al will see each other at the gate and Al will do something to send Ed back. I know, this is really vague, but I think it's significant that both Ed and Al go down at basically the same time.

[Morlun]

I think this may be the time for Al to get his body back. They'll still have Ed's arm and leg to recover somehow, somewhen, and they won't stop the war with the Homunculi if Al gets his body back. I know it's kind of expected to have those sorts of things happen right at the end of a story, but I can't stop thinking of how fitting would it be for Al to face the final storyarc as himself.

[freaky2]

I think this may be the time for Al to get his body back. They'll still have Ed's arm and leg to recover somehow, somewhen, and they won't stop the war with the Homunculi if Al gets his body back. I know it's kind of expected to have those sorts of things happen right at the end of a story, but I can't stop thinking of how fitting would it be for Al to face the final storyarc as himself.
Yep, yep, that would be really good. They're way too involved to stop when they've achieved their own goal, and it would be really fitting, as you say.

[bax]

Chapter 77 is out!! Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21330)!!
Enjoy the chapter everyone.

Now, feel free to predict what will happen next in the 78th chapter guys :)

Have fun :)

[riice]

*dies happy*

HE'S ALIVE, ALIVE. And they're going to find a doctor for him, so maybe that'll be...Marcoh? Mei? Hm.

[Sam Webster]

Thanks!

Well, it was obvious Ed would live ... Actually quite disappointed that Ed and Al didn't go the Gates and meet or anything.

Also, Ed seems to suddenly learn Retanjutsu ... Unless the flashbacks don't just show his reasons to live, but how he figures it out.

Guess I hafta wait til a translated version's done.

I moved this post from the RTS to the discussion thread. Please don't discuss the story in the RTS threads. No spoilers are allowed in those. If you want to discuss the story please do so in the discussion threads. Thanks ^^

[hayateblitz]

Ed survives!! and the Chimera dude picked up the philosopher's stone! Hopefully he'll give it to Ed when he regains consciousness so he can fully heal himself ^^ If not, maybe Hohenheim will come along and save him XDD Yay! They should meet up soon.. Ed still needs to pass on his mother's last words to Hohenheim. ^^

[jojo-kun]

Ed survives!! and the Chimera dude picked up the philosopher's stone! Hopefully he'll give it to Ed when he regains consciousness so he can fully heal himself ^^ If not, maybe Hohenheim will come along and save him XDD Yay! They should meet up soon.. Ed still needs to pass on his mother's last words to Hohenheim. ^^

Yes, hopefully the Chimera guys will give Ed the stone when he wakes up. He seems to have earned their respect with his dogged determination and his talent (not to mention saving their lives), but who knows? They know what the red stone is, and although they don't know how to tap into its power with alchemy, they may want to keep it secret from Ed anyway and keep it for themselves. I hope not, though. Ed needs a doctor badly, and since they're pretty much on the run in the middle of nowhere, the chance of there being any doctors around is extremely slim.

And I highly doubt that they will run into Marcoh or Mei (from another reply), or Hohenheim. Especially not Hohenheim - he's in a completely different part of Amestris. It would take him FAR to long to reach Ed in time to help, even if he knew that Ed was in mortal peril (which he doesn't). But yes, Ed and Al both still have a lot of loose ends to tie up with their father. That time will come. I'm sure that he's going to stick with Izumi and Curtis for a while.

[riice]

I don't think they'll give him the stone.. or at least, it's not a good idea. Ed wouldn't use it D:

Maybe if they get to a doctor before Ed regains consciousness they'll give it to him..

[Morlun]

Yep, yep, that would be really good. They're way too involved to stop when they've achieved their own goal, and it would be really fitting, as you say.

Well, it wasn't so yet, but now Ed'll have a stone, and when he meets the others, he'll know about the rentanjutsu/renkinjutsu circle, and about Al fading away twice recently. Power, knowledge, motive and urgency. I have a feeling it's coming soon. :)

Oh, and am I the only one bothered by the fact that the chapters seemed to have gone from 40 pages to 30? :(

[jojo-kun]

Oh, and am I the only one bothered by the fact that the chapters seemed to have gone from 40 pages to 30? :(

YES, I've noticed that too. Very disappointing! They used to be even 45 pages in some cases, and now we're lucky if we even get 35 pages. Oh well, could be worse. Apparently the Hellsing manga is released whenever... which can take several months at a time, and it's quite irregular.

Anyway, it would be very cool if Ed could meet up with Al, Winry and the rest of them in the near future. With their combined knowledge and a stone, they're bound to get places. But you never know.. it would be a very big fluke.

[faiakins]

My big thought lingering after this chapter is that now the group knows the results of Scar's brother's research, but what exactly does the Alchemy/Rentanjutsu circle do? I'm sure it will be key in stopping Father's plans (and maybe even getting Ed and Al's bodies back), but if the circle has to be the size of the philosopher transmutation circle, it will be almost impossible for them to create it.

As for the red stone picked up by the chimera, I see it being passed to Dr. Marco so that he can heal Ed when the whole group meets up again. Ed most likely won't be allowed to have much of a say in the matter since everyone will want to see it used to heal him.

and yes...the shorter chapter took me by surprise...we wait a whole month for a chapter thats not even twice as long as the chapters that get released on a weekly basis. but, the series seems to be coming close to its end, and maybe this is an attempt to get it to last longer.

[Itachi-San]

Well obviously Al and co. are going to figure out how to counter the TS, and maybe they'll figure out the "Golden Man" is Hohenhiem.

Ed Vs. Kimbly round 2 is inevitable, as this time I think Ed will kill him.

As for Mustang and Armstrong, they're in cohorts I'm sure.

The only real problem I had with 77 is that it felt rush, 32 pages? Is it coming to an end already? I imagine if that is the case, Ed and Al will get their bodies back within 10 chapters.

[naruto91]

how many number do you think will be fma?

[Marq]

I'm thinking 80 to 100 (chapters.). FMA seems be to wrapping up. I must admit, the philosopher stone shocked me. Argh, have to wait another month for this one eh? poor Al, his soul is trying to pull out, that can't be good. The Chimera seem to be taking Ed to a doctor, but I wonder if he would regain consciousness before they do. Still the shape he is in, he can't take Kimbly.

[lazyboyrod]

I thought the series was over

[Light_Yagami]

i think too that it'll be finish soon but there are too many homunculi left

[LPnaurto]

man i dont want FMA to be over... theres still quite alot of storylines that can be made to continue the series...

[Murdering]

I predict that the series is not over. e_e Ling's fate has yet to be settled, as does Ran Fan's, and many other point plots that Hoshino will definitely not leave unfinished.

I think that Edward will be healed, and Al will be fixed, somehow, seeing how each is one of the sacrifices and needed for the plans of Father. We'll see more happening with Roy and the others, and perhaps the action will return to Central in the near future. The sins definitely need to see more action in order for the plot to be complete, as well.

[VanillaWiteOut]

I know it's not over. Arakawa did say that she didn't want to do too much over 100 chapters, though, so the climax is closing in on us. For the next chapter, just to keep us in suspense, I believe we will finally make some progress on the Hawkeye/Homunculi storyline, which I am really eager to read. I want to find out what Mustang does in retaliation, if anything.

[notBowen]

I know it's not over. Arakawa did say that she didn't want to do too much over 100 chapters, though So that's about 2 years, perhaps a bit more.

That sounds about right.

[Saavik8]

man i dont want FMA to be over... theres still quite alot of storylines that can be made to continue the series...

yeah but you don't want fma to turn into naruto and never end... honestly kishi never ends an arc and thats sort of distroying it so i think it would be better for fma to end with dignity while being loved by all then by being draged on. .. I am going to miss it though when it is over

[LPnaurto]

yeah but you don't want fma to turn into naruto and never end... honestly kishi never ends an arc and thats sort of distroying it so i think it would be better for fma to end with dignity while being loved by all then by being draged on. .. I am going to miss it though when it is over

but naruto is still a pretty interesting manga if i do say so myself :P

[Saint Jimmy]

FMA will not be ending in a short time, there are too many things yet to be told.
We still have Briggs and Miss Armstrong at the high rank table. The Humuncoli storyline has yet to unfold to a main arc. We still have Hohenheim and 'father' issues...FMA can't stop for a nother 100 chapters :D:D:D:D

wonder when chapter 78 comes out

[White Crimson]

This series seems far to deep to end as splattery as Naruto seems to be doing. Should it be 10 chapters or 50 this series will end well. (unlike the anime) On to my prediction:

I think there is still a chance of Edward using that stone. But now I think, since the 'original homunculus' has orders for Kimblee to 'carve into Briggs..' that Edward has a chance to catch up to Al and the rest and save both of them in one shot.

There is a small irk in my mind that says that Scar may end up dying to protect Winry(because he had emotion on his face when she forgave him)or at least get massively wounded. But predictions are predictions and thats all I can think of for now.

[Saavik8]

but naruto is still a pretty interesting manga if i do say so myself :P

yeah but for a while it got a bit tedious and random....i must admit its getting better now though

[LPnaurto]

yes it is getting better now that jiraiya is gettting some major action (perhaps the we'll even see of him? hopefully not...) but hopefully FMA will end well (even if the ending isnt the happiest one...)

[HisshouBuraiKen]

Okay, yes, Naruto sucks even though Jiraiya vs. Pain has been a cool fight to watch. Back on topic.

FMA really seems to be building to something huge as we've learned almost every major piece of the puzzle. We know the history of both Father and Hohenheim, the identities of all 7 homunculus, that the giant transmutation circle under Amestris is practically complete. Al seems to be in deep trouble with the binding on his soul seem to be giving out, and Ed actually has a Philosopher's stone now (or he will once he wakes up and Simba/Donkey Kong gives it to him).

Shit's about to hit the fan. And honestly, once the dust settles and the adventure ends, I don't see the resolution taking more than four chapters (one volume). Given how much the plot advances each month, the long standing "100 chapters" theory still seems right to me.

I'm predicting we won't see much of Ed this month, and that Scar/May/Al will discuss what the new transmutation circle they discovered really means.

[White Crimson]

I have to agree with you on that one HisshouBuraiKen. At most we are learning more about whats going on but there is still much more to progress on.

I doubt that Arakawa-Sensei plans to end this series in three-five more chapters because basically that would ruin the entire series. She would have to kill off almost ten villains in less then two months. If any series is going to end badly, it won't be this one.

Another thing that I thought of while browsing some other sites spoiler threads was 'Is Hohenheim ever going to face his sin?' If 'Father' is basically his 'creation' then shouldn't he be the one to kill him? He would have more of an understanding of how to destroy him as well, since Amestrian Alchemy doesn't seem to work on 'Father' at all.

P.S. (Whats Sloth going to do when the tunnel is complete? Haha)

[Allashandra]

Well what I got from HisshouBuraiKen's post was that he thought that the theory that it will end at 100 chapters seems right to him... that means 22 more chapters not 3-5. In anycase since there was one post already concerning where the raw is I will post here that so far the raw hasn't shown up in it's usually places. As usual there are several people on a fairly constant look out for it and as soon as it turns up we will posting an RTS for it. For those who want to see the color spread (It really doesn't spoil anything and doesn't appear to have anything to do with the storyline)

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4310/200712128bmm5.jpg

[White Crimson]

My apologies for being misunderstood I wasn't meaning that it was going to end in three-five, I was meaning not ending in three-five.

But Yes, thanks for showing that spoiler picture! I really am getting edgy for the next chapter. I'm going to post some as well.

Volume 18 cover:
http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04ut9va0.jpg

http://community.livejournal.com/hagaren_manga/275599.html#cutid1

Both I found while browsing:

http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/

[Morlun]

P.S. (Whats Sloth going to do when the tunnel is complete? Haha)

Sleep! :-)

[assalane]

i like manga that sticks to their purpose lol. I hope that in the next chapter edward will use the stone to heal him. He should because he have to prevent the obliteration of briggs. He will meet with crimson at the end of the chapter

[Morlun]

Warning, agony post (sorry!): Argh, 20% less pages, late and later by the month... this is torture!

[/agony]

Anyway, predictions now, not necessarily for 78, but for the next 2 or 3 chapters. Good guys regroup and form a battle plan. Ed and Al get Al's body back with the philosopher's stone. Ed, Al, Scar, Hohenheim and Mustang make their moves. Sloth completes the tunnel, and we learn what the "human sacrifices" are for. Father's plan enters the final stage. In other words, 2-3 chapters setting up the final arc of the manga.

[White Crimson]

I really think he'd like to sleep as well Morlun! Haha

Assalane: Anyone likes a good manga to stick to its purpose. Unlike some that lose their way over a few years or so. about your prediction though, I still have qualms about Fullmetal using the stone because of his 'vow to not kill' and he knows the stone is made of human souls. He's definitely going to need to make a quick decision though because if he chooses not to heal himself he leaves, not just Briggs,but Alphonse, Winry, Scar and the others in trouble as well.

It seems still to early for it to wrap up the storyline yet....Hiromu Arakawa always thinks of something to twist us around. haha

[Lycoris]

About your prediction though, I still have qualms about Fullmetal using the stone because of his 'vow to not kill' and he knows the stone is made of human souls.

Right now, am I the only one who thinks that Hoenheim is being set up so that he will use the rest of his life to return Ed and Al's bodies? The moment he said he was the stone and seeing his past, it seemed like the most likely way for this to happen. I think Ed would be less willing to do it if there was another way but see it as his way of making things up to them. I'm not sure this would be the way of getting Al's body back though, considering what Morlun suggested before now. Since there are problems with the seal, Ed may feel forced to play his hand now to retrive the body but Briggs is a really bad place for it considering the weather conditions and how frail his body is. Still, there could be a way around it but Arakawa has been willing to kill off characters before.

[White Crimson]

Right now, am I the only one who thinks that Hoenheim is being set up so that he will use the rest of his life to return Ed and Al's bodies? The moment he said he was the stone and seeing his past, it seemed like the most likely way for this to happen. I think Ed would be less willing to do it if there was another way but see it as his way of making things up to them. I'm not sure this would be the way of getting Al's body back though, considering what Morlun suggested before now. Since there are problems with the seal, Ed may feel forced to play his hand now to retrive the body but Briggs is a really bad place for it considering the weather conditions and how frail his body is. Still, there could be a way around it but Arakawa has been willing to kill off characters before.

Wow. This idea of your seems to play very well. I like the idea that Hohenheim may be getting tricked by his 'self'. Seeing as though Hohenheim is more the fatherly type I don't think I can disagree with this prediction. But even if Hohenheim does resurrect their bodies I still think Fullmetal would refuse to accept him. They did set out to retrieve their own bodies after all. Also Fullmetal said that he refused to seek for Hohenheim's help anyway.

P.S. (I wonder when Major General Armstrong is going to appear again?)

[Lycoris]

Wow. This idea of your seems to play very well. I like the idea that Hohenheim may be getting tricked by his 'self'. Seeing as though Hohenheim is more the fatherly type I don't think I can disagree with this prediction. But even if Hohenheim does resurrect their bodies I still think Fullmetal would refuse to accept him. They did set out to retrieve their own bodies after all. Also Fullmetal said that he refused to seek for Hohenheim's help anyway.

P.S. (I wonder when Major General Armstrong is going to appear again?)

Ed may not technically accept him but he might finally come to terms with the fact that not everything can be done by yourself. The problem really lies in the fact that there doesn't seem to be any other way to retrieve their bodies other than through the use of a philosopher's stone, which goes against his morality. Then again, Hoenheim might not actually give Ed a choice in what happens at the end and he does seem very concerned about what is going on in the country and with Ed and Al. He is a genuinely caring parent and may force this upon Ed as a way of making up for having to leave them when they were small.

Of course, this is all conjecture, here's hoping that Arakawa comes up with some other way of retriving their bodies so that Hoenheim doesn't end up sacrificing himself. I've grown rather fond of him recently.

Also, really want to see MG Armstrong again, she's great.

[White Crimson]

Ed may not technically accept him but he might finally come to terms with the fact that not everything can be done by yourself. The problem really lies in the fact that there doesn't seem to be any other way to retrieve their bodies other than through the use of a philosopher's stone, which goes against his morality. Then again, Hoenheim might not actually give Ed a choice in what happens at the end and he does seem very concerned about what is going on in the country and with Ed and Al. He is a genuinely caring parent and may force this upon Ed as a way of making up for having to leave them when they were small.

Of course, this is all conjecture, here's hoping that Arakawa comes up with some other way of retriving their bodies so that Hoenheim doesn't end up sacrificing himself. I've grown rather fond of him recently.

Also, really want to see MG Armstrong again, she's great.

True but even though Fullmetal hates him I also doubt to think he'd be happy if Hohenheim gave his life for them. If that happened I'm sure we may even see Fullmetal shed some tears. I do think that it would have to be a forced decision though. (as you said) Then comes Alphonse, the brother who definitely would have a problem with it. Since he doesn't harbor as much hatred as Fullmetal he would really be against it. Even so we would have no way of knowing how Hohenheim got to Briggs to help OR what he threw philosopher's stone from himself for.

If Major General Armstrong comes back someone is going to die.(haha)

[Lycoris]

True but even though Fullmetal hates him I also doubt to think he'd be happy if Hohenheim gave his life for them. If that happened I'm sure we may even see Fullmetal shed some tears. I do think that it would have to be a forced decision though. (as you said) Then comes Alphonse, the brother who definitely would have a problem with it. Since he doesn't harbor as much hatred as Fullmetal he would really be against it. Even so we would have no way of knowing how Hohenheim got to Briggs to help OR what he threw philosopher's stone from himself for.

If Major General Armstrong comes back someone is going to die.(haha)

Actually, we've seen Hoenheim travelling north earlier, first in the carriage ambushed by bandits and then with the guide who claimed there was nothing at the area that was marked out on the map. Put simply, he's been out in the freezing cold for a long time!

Alphonse wouldn't hate Hoenheim for giving his life either but I think he'd find it harder to accept (or as close as any person/character could get) than Ed. Ed was already willing to use the souls in Envy to escape Gluttony's stomach but he still had a very hard time with that. Actually considering that, it's entirely possible that they would come nowhere close.

Still, Al would have to be the one to perform the alchemy to get his body back as we've already seen so the force idea doesn't work. I still think that Hoenheim will be the one to get their bodies back though but taking these things into consideration, I'm left wondering how either of them would get past this morally grey area.

Ahh, Major General Armstrong, how I love you after getting rid of Raven, he was very annoying.

[fkeidjn]

Here's chapter 78 150dpi (http://www.sendspace.com/file/jx7f27). I'll post the 300dpi version later.

And no, I'm not a spammer posting garbage.

[Allashandra]

Thanks making an RTS for it. ^^