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ttxdragon
July 13, 2007, 03:16 PM
Get the new chapter HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15301)



Heh, didn't read the chap yet, so no startprediction from me :p


but as soon as you guys have read the chap, feel free to predict the next one here.


little reminder:
discussion of predictions is okay, but you might want to keep chapter discussions to the other thread.


have fun~

boyakist4649
July 13, 2007, 04:07 PM
Another chapter of chatting and "final" attacks...

The last bit of text on the final page mentions [what are Naruto guys up to during this time] which suggests to me that we won't find out the fate of Deidara (most likely dead) and Sasuke (alive) until after the break, which would be Jump issue #37.

Although I would not like to think so - the next chapter may be little updates on what the others have been doing.

PredatorNar
July 13, 2007, 05:22 PM
Well, I doubt Tobi's going to die. When I saw "Tobi and you will die," I thought Tobi would jump straight and just assassinate Deidara, but they already showed the blast going off. Nevertheless, I predict we will see some of Tobi's abilities as he saves himself (it would be funny if he inadvertently saves Sasuke as well)

adel123456789
July 13, 2007, 05:40 PM
i dont agree that sasuka will surviv a 10k blast with no chakra and if you see the Naruto Shippuuden movie Trailer the new one on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyy_CaO4tic you will not see sasuka at all .

Uchiha Slayer
July 13, 2007, 05:54 PM
Yeah, I think the story will jump back to Naruto or think about this...wouldnt naruto and the gang see the blast and hear it. 10 kilometers is long range. So we will get naruto and the gang reation from the explosion. Its a good chance we wont see sasuke next chapter but we might get to see tobi reaction.

LotusBlade
July 13, 2007, 06:25 PM
I think that for the next chapter maybe Sasuke survives. Because remember Itachi and Kisame use that technique which lets them control someone from a distance and they have a high amount of chakra as well. But at the same time I don't think he will die because then Naruto and the crew have no point in going to get Sasuke, and the series will be over. Or, Maybe the series is bound to finish, it is about 360 chapters so far...I hope not though. What I know based on a text on the bottom of the manga, is that we will see Naruto and the gang in the upcoming chapter or later on. Let's see what will happen. :)

Coup
July 13, 2007, 06:30 PM
Yeah, I think the story will jump back to Naruto or think about this...wouldnt naruto and the gang see the blast and hear it. 10 kilometers is long range. So we will get naruto and the gang reation from the explosion. Its a good chance we wont see sasuke next chapter but we might get to see tobi reaction.

That's what I'm thinking... Ch.363 will probably start out with different shots of the members from konoha's 8 and/or hebi seeing or sensing the blast. Then it will finish with Tobi arriving of what's left from the enormous blast.

Gold Knight
July 13, 2007, 06:32 PM
I'm pretty sure Tobi will erect some sort of self-defense (since he had already shown a bit of inner invulnerability to Sasuke's sword) that will also save Sasuke as well.

RIP Deidara. It was a bang knowin' ya, man.

This time I'll believe in the preview for next chapter - I do think we're due to find out what's going with the rest of Naruto's group. Most likely THAT explosion, if nothing else, will finally attract their attention to what's going on, and they'll all quickly move out towards that spot. Of course, by that time, one of Sasuke's own teammates will likely already catch up to him and carry him off.

What I'm wondering is if they won't catch whiff of Sasuke's scent though...

Panda
July 13, 2007, 06:59 PM
I dont think that this explosion will finish... Comon Kakashi! Do it again! Do it again!!! Think about all the little aminals that are in the way of the explosion!

khar2
July 13, 2007, 07:13 PM
i dont agree that sasuka will surviv a 10k blast with no chakra and if you see the Naruto Shippuuden movie Trailer the new one on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyy_CaO4tic you will not see sasuka at all .

hmm, bad point, movie story doesnt have any connection to manga, its like anime filler episodes... sasuke is favorite character in japan, and manga is mainly if not only being selling in japan, so if sasuke dies popularity of manga could fall, and that means less mony for publishers and writter:)

my prediction, we will see some toby's super uber cool move that will save him and sasuke, no mater if sasuke have or not MS, he showed that he is completly drained of chak... so he cant use it even if he has it so everything is up to toby or someone who was hiding in bushes during this whole chapter;)

lordHokage
July 13, 2007, 07:48 PM
Next chapter, I predict funeral services will be held for one of finest missing-nin Shinobis from the village hidden in the rocks, Deidara-senpai. As for Naruto’s group, everyone will survive the explosion including Sasuke, and Deidara will finally be acknowledged for his art. :)

manufn619
July 13, 2007, 07:51 PM
did my eye's decive me or did that thing diedara have look like a heart of kakazu

sKaR
July 13, 2007, 07:55 PM
I too think they r gonna keep the fact of sasuke's survival a secret.They will show tobi as he seems to b invincible to any damage.They will now finally change focus to konoha group.Some more stuff like contents of diary may b revealed in next chapter.Then may b after 10-12 chaps they may suddenly show sasuke n how he managed to survive the explosion.
Or.....Mangekyou r right now!!!!
I think this arc has popped a few surprizes.Tobi might save sasuke , again reason he will reveal in chapter after that.
Good stuff!!!!

Reaver Reload
July 13, 2007, 08:37 PM
The only way Sasuke can survive that blast if Kakashi or Itachi steps in all lolz mangekyou.

Or "that" jutsu!

taimoor2
July 13, 2007, 09:23 PM
I seriously doubt sasuke can survive on his own. Even though he has trick which he can use in case of explosions to protect himelf(he said if land mines went off he had something else)....he is far too low on chakra to be able to survive by using his that jutsu.(I mean he wasn't even able to stand up straight and walk!). I think someone will save everyone which means the blast will be stopped before Deidara COMPLETELY blows up. Think of it like this: Even if sasuke is saved, wht about team naruto and hebi? They are all within 10 KM radius. Naruto MAY use frog stomach jutsu, kakashi may use his MS and Hinata might be able to create some chakra wall(!?) but besides them the rest will surely die. So the explosion MUST be stopped at the base, i.e. when Deidara is exploding. Tobi saving the day is plausible as he is not very far away and might return quickly.

renrutal
July 13, 2007, 09:38 PM
Either one of Hebi will come to rescue Sasuke (Karin), or Tobi will do it.

I'd bet on the latter one, except if Kakashi knows Hiraishin no Jutsu.

MangaUploader78
July 13, 2007, 10:36 PM
I already no whats going to happen. its soo predictable.. You no hos people allways get superpowers near death... sasuke will be like ... is this it??? this is as far as i come?? i can not die here?? not here??? NOT HERE!! then Activates... the Mangkeyo Sharingan an sends the whole bomb to another place..then Karin comes an heals him... soo predictable!!

m0ji
July 14, 2007, 12:37 AM
I seriously doubt sasuke can survive on his own. Even though he has trick which he can use in case of explosions to protect himelf(he said if land mines went off he had something else)....he is far too low on chakra to be able to survive by using his that jutsu.(I mean he wasn't even able to stand up straight and walk!). I think someone will save everyone which means the blast will be stopped before Deidara COMPLETELY blows up. Think of it like this: Even if sasuke is saved, wht about team naruto and hebi? They are all within 10 KM radius. Naruto MAY use frog stomach jutsu, kakashi may use his MS and Hinata might be able to create some chakra wall(!?) but besides them the rest will surely die. So the explosion MUST be stopped at the base, i.e. when Deidara is exploding. Tobi saving the day is plausible as he is not very far away and might return quickly.

i cant agree @all...who did ever mention that any of the teams are in 10km range to sasuke and Deidara?it was never said....we dont even know if they are anywhere near.Sakura probably is in the city shown on the last picture with the explosion...there is a city on the bottom of that pic.but we dont know where the rest is and if its in 10km range...

well..my predictions are there:

1.Sasuke will use the mangekyo with his last chakrareserve after he transforms into CS1/CS2...we have seen him doing such stuff agains Gaara...he had not much chakra left if even any and still he transformed and used a last chidori...so possible but doubtfull.
Or the other option sasuke saving himself maybe by using that big gate orochimaru used....what was its name...rikshu?i dont know lol ;)

2.Sasuke is not there anymore and that was just a clone of him,cause he predicted something like that would happen and saved himself in the scene where they both fell to earth.

3.Sasuke is saved by any of the other members from Konoha or Hebi...someone jumping in and saving sasuke could be possible.Juugo is the one i think is nearest to Sasuke and full of chakra...he could probably be the one first there already running to Sasuke hearing the previous explosions.savin him with his CS2 and some special technique.

4.Tobi rescues him with some technique...Reason:he doesnt want Itachi to be angry on him while he had the chance to rescue his brother but he didnt...i think most likely THIS will happen.We wont see it in the next chapter probably but in 2-3 chapters.

what i think we ll see in the next chapter is some pics of the other groups...thats it.

Decorus
July 14, 2007, 01:17 AM
Deidara survives his ultimate explosion and comes back better then ever with full chakra while Sasuke uses his secret sharingan power to regain chakra from the explosion and also comes out unscathed then the fight begins again for another 8 chapters.

Kusachu
July 14, 2007, 01:46 AM
I want to see Sasuke finally go down. Like, the smoke clears and there he is all effed up to the max and he's all, "Somehow...I made it in time..." (as is the standard for narrow escapes from Deidara killing himself), and then he passes out.

Meanwhile (back at the ranch) Sakura and Karin see the huge explosion and go running (probably both screaming "SASUKE-KUN!" or something similar as is the standard with girls in the Narutoverse).

Skip to: either Team Tenzou or Team Kakashi, one of which happens to run into Tobi--who is surprisingly easy to capture for interrogation purposes, and the other team goes to where the explosion was.

Cut to: Suigetsu drinking water.

Cut to: Juugo holding the remains of a dead bird with tears in his eyes. Suddenly he feels like killing again...

Back to: One of the girls finds Sasuke passed out where ever he ended up passing out at. Up close of her blushing, awestruck face. It seems that Sasuke-kun's clothes have been destroyed and there he is, all naked and vulnerable and...

Deidara's ring comes flying out of nowhere and hits Tobi right in his eye hole. He screams and takes of his mask.

Cut to: Kabutorochimaru is hidden in the bushes, watching and snickering in a apparent glee.

Next time: OH NO! Kakashi screws the pooch!

Okay...I think I've gone a little too far...I'm sorry. I couldn't help it...

:darn

Black/Light
July 14, 2007, 02:09 AM
Meh, I didn't like 362 (-_-).

I LOVED Dei! Now it seems that he will die. . .

Sas's "that jutsu" could some how help him if he landed on a land mine. . .so is it a attack or protection thing? Because he DID try to use it on Naruto as a attack.

I don't see Sas getting himself out of this. . . .in fact, I think Naruto will be the one to save him with some brand new super wind move that acts like a back burner for a jet and sends him flying in w/e direction he wants.

Why not? Sas got lighting everything, more power to his SG (I could have sworn SG can't see crap behind solid things. . .), the ablitiyi to fly with a wing made of snakes and now Dei just came out with a blast that takes out 10 K of land.

Might as well give Naruto a plot-saver no jutsu where he pulls some brand new jutsu out of no where to save the day. . .

But from what I can see Sas is helpless. He can't even stand and I don't think he can even use his SG. He HAS to be saved by someone. . .

And I don't see this blast being "stopped" seeing as it's already in the works (plus the thing for the next chap talks about the outcome of this blast). It's already blowing everything up as seen by the last page so I see 363 being about how everyone got out of the way or how Naruto's group saved Sas or w/e.

2ndKurono
July 14, 2007, 02:23 AM
well looks like this is the end for Deidara,it was nice knowing him,but the one who will save Sasuke wont be neither Kakashi or Itachi,especialy Itachi,it will be Naruto or Sakura or even Akamaru with Kiba.

broli
July 14, 2007, 04:01 AM
The only person that can save him is one with some high level defense jutsu. Like we all know orochimaru fits that status but he's dead so the only person that's even close (literly and figurly) to saving him is tobi.

This is what I see is going to happen. Next chapter will be about the konoha gang showing up on the scene finding nothing but a huge crater. And then we'll see the sasuke gang tree hoping with sasuke being carried on once shoulder to escape. And sasuke will be having a flashback to what actually happened. Like how tobi saved him and what he said afterwards.

Inevitable_Exit
July 14, 2007, 04:30 AM
Naruto WILL NOT SAVE Sasuke. Period. Next time they meet, they will be fighting or Naruto will be finding Sasuke after he(sasuke) gets destroyed by Itachi.

For this chapter I predict a quick glimpse of what is left of the area that exploded. The teams will start to converge. I doubt we will see Sasuke for a few chapters just to leave all the fanboys like "OMGAWD WHER IZ SASUKE HE MUS B OK RITE?". Predict another boring chapter which is sad : (.

[[PS Someone mentioned a break in the manga? Sup with that?]]

amperx
July 14, 2007, 07:08 AM
my prediction: sasuke emerges, like wtf, kishi cant kill him or it would ruin the series, I just hope the battle is over though, its long and repetitive, but what the heck im tired of reading these phrases: art is a blast, my eyes see through chakra..
i wanna read a different line already like: akatsuki,itachi, or tobi!! darn you tobi you just ran away!
my prediction2: i dont think sasuke needs saving, he's on a godly roll on the chapters, and it would ruin his streak if he'd be saved like gay, go sasuke go
-> im gonna miss deidara huhu

adel123456789
July 14, 2007, 07:21 AM
i dont agree that sasuka will surviv a 10k blast with no chakra and if you see the Naruto Shippuuden movie Trailer the new one on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyy_CaO4tic you will not see sasuka at all .
i take it back becous sasuka said somthing about a new thing that he didnt use yet
i mean he could use it in the next chapter to protect him or to get away from the blast

lordHokage
July 14, 2007, 07:52 AM
My second predictions: Naruto will show off some amazing hidden jutsu’s to rescue the many hundreds of people within a short space of time. I’m thinking Hiraishin no Jutsu aka Flying Thunder God Technique and a wind technique. As for Sasuke, I think he will summon Kyodaija not Manda once again. :)

midiman
July 14, 2007, 08:04 AM
Ok lets give the situation.

Deidara : Propably dead !

Sasuke : Out of Chakra and only 3 meters between him and the source of the explosion !

Tobi : Some friendlike connection with Deidara so i doubt he would jump in and let his friends life go in vain.

Sakura - Karin - Seigetsu : all of them are propably in that Town close to the explosion and i think seigetsu is there too because it seemed the place he were in was in a town.

Jugoo : Somewhere in the forest.

Konoha : Somwhere close to that place where sasuke should be by now because sakura is close too and she wouldn't be that much away from team konoha. Like kakashi said they would stay close to each other so the dogs can communicate.

Prediction :

First we will be shown the aftermath of deidas jutsu. (2Pages) ^^
We won't get to know about Sask. but we will see all teams and lik everyone gets one panel where he or she says * Oh my god what the fuck was that explosion*
Then propably AL who notices Deidar. vanishing.
Back to sasukes fangirls.Both heading to the place of explosion and the dog of sakura wouling and calling the others as backup.

End.

narutokuro
July 14, 2007, 09:21 AM
In 363 We find out the real reason why Itachi killed his tribe. Bite on this. The writer always references old mythology when it comes to nartuo. One of the bieng the tailed beasts. Legend has it that the 9 & 8 taled beasts collide. Naruto legend has it that 2 great warriors fought over konoha in the old ages; the first hokage and madre uchiha. the same place where naruto and sauske fought. Since nearly every story has circular endings naruto and sauske are destined to fight at the end. He justifys sauske turn to evil by surrounding him with orochimaru and his past with itachi. As everyone will find out. The reason why itachi killed his tribe is to protect his brother. Itachi is not purely evil.

Uchiha is the prize of konoha and with that prize of one of their own should wield a tailed beast; the 8 tails. Itachi's own father may have started thid process causing itachi to choose his brother over his clain. Sauske does not remeber becuase the uchiha has mind tricks. Sauske does not know he has the beast within him. That is why the kyubuu reacted the why he did to sauske. This is also why Sai was sent kill sauske. Only few people in konoha know this information; sai's master.

I know this sounds like much. And obviously all this will not be concluded over one issue but the writer hides nothing to the public if you know your mythology & folklure.

"Art is a bang" (or variations therein), was originally coined by famous Japanese abstract artist Tarō Okamoto. Below
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j71/Tyro_Kith/35772f1_085760aq6.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Taiyo_no_tou.jpg/200px-Taiyo_no_tou.jpg

theshizzle
July 14, 2007, 09:28 AM
well in the beginning of this past chapter Sauske still had something up his sleeve that he

didn't use remember? He use that to get out, no one will save him...


As far Sauske having the 8 tails: there is no way because hes not even on the list for Akatsuki, why would deidara want to kill the 8 tails? they need

them.

neomaster121
July 14, 2007, 09:40 AM
this isn't too hard to predict sasuke said he had another option if the bomb had exploded when he used his sword so i guess we will see this second option simple

Coup
July 14, 2007, 09:54 AM
The reason why itachi killed his tribe is to protect his brother. Itachi is not purely evil.



^That's the only part I can agree on... I never thought Itachi was "pure" evil. He did kill off his family and brethren. He's not a ruthless killer if you will, cause if he was he would have more to his wrap sheet than just killing off his clan.

adel123456789
July 14, 2007, 11:16 AM
sasuka said that he had somthing that he didnt use yet maybe he show a great jutsu

sKaR
July 14, 2007, 12:06 PM
i dont no what that jutsu can do here unless its MS.He said he would use it against dei if the other technique of chidori disabling would have failed.So it was more like an offensive move.Here already they have shown dei exploding so they cant take that back saying that too is in dei's head n its sasuke with sharingan again.Also as his "other " option is attacking 1 n here he desperately in need of a defensive technique here he must have the mangekyou as that only can save him.Also u could actually c the fear in his eyes at the very last moment.He might even freeze with fear for all v no(highly unlikely,sasuke is way too cool for that!!!)I presume either Tobi will save sasuke or some1 from narutos 8 might.Or suigetsu seems to b the only 1 whose power could b of some use here sorta enclosing sasuke in a water bubble thats presssurized soo much from the inside that it withstands even the explosion on the outside..I hope they show the outcome next week n not shift focus somewhere else n keep us wondering for weeks...

lordHokage
July 14, 2007, 12:15 PM
My long-term predictions for this arc: As this battle comes to an end, another battle begins - the aftermath, a battle royale. Many innocence people from near by villages will be force to fight against one another for the basic necessities. :sad :crying

Takuto
July 14, 2007, 12:21 PM
Hmm, im gonna prediact that Deidara unfortunatly dies, Sasuke uses some sort of Jutsu to stay alive and Tobi survives by mabey going underground or something.

76trombones
July 14, 2007, 01:40 PM
Deidara's dead. Sasuke is alive.

Cut to other people. That is all.

There's no way Sasuke is finding Itachi now. It's still too early and he's lost his only source of information.

Double Helix-7
July 14, 2007, 02:52 PM
Deidara is definitely dead.

Sasuke will somehow survive, but not everything will be revealed next chapter of what exactly happened. Tobi can't simply die and vanish also.

Konoha and Hebi rushes to the sight.

What happens to Sasuke:
1) Saved by Tobi (most likely than someone else). And then Sas questions his motive.

2) Sasuke's death will be out, but he's not truly dead. He's in recovery with whoever saved him or Hebi.

3) Everyone finds Sasuke on sight, not in such a good condition. Hebi carries him off while the Konoha group has to return to the village and the area that the blast covered. Naruto, of course won't be happy.

4) Sakura convincing everyone to take Sasuke in for recovery. She can heal after all, but that all depends on how badly Sasuke's condition is.


I think we will see everyone's reactions to that explosion.

And I don't think that blast can be stopped now.

Black/Light
July 14, 2007, 03:48 PM
I don't think Sas can do "that jutsu" right now. I mean, look at him. . . he can't even stand and I think he can't even use his SG. He is completely out of chakra and thats what was pissing Dei off (the fact that Sas acts so coo even when he is completely out of chakra).

I also see no reason for Tobi to save him. Makes no sense to me. . . he seems to like Dei alot more than he feels (if anything) for Sas. And if he didn't want Dei to kill Sas than I would think that he would say something along the lines of ". . . I don't think we should fight him" before they started the fight. Plus, I think Tobi can very well be hurt by the blast seeing as he didn't want Dei to set the bombs off near him.

And theres no stopping this blast. I don't see anyone pulling out some kind of "toss the bomb away" thing seeing as it's in the works already.

What I think will happen. . .
1. We step back to Naruto's reaction to the blast from earlyer and see what they where thinking.

2. When ever we find out what happens to Sas we will see that someone from the leaf (My guess is Naruto or Kak. . . Naruto would make more sense IMO) saved him at the last moment.
Maybe Naruto's has some new plot-saver no jutsu where he makes a wind tunnel to "fly" him and Sas away from there super fast and then he uses the FRS to dial down the blast.

Juggernaut
July 14, 2007, 04:29 PM
I'm betting sasuke took the full force of the blast and is found totally messed up... he will then be healed by the konoha people and brought back. Then he will be in a weird state wondering if he is storng enough to take out itachi yet and wondering why konoha helped him... At some point Hebi will infiltrate konoha to get sasuke back.. there wil be debate about sasukes fate by the Hokage and high ranking officials.. Naruto will argue on his behalf... after all is said and done they will reconcile and all head out on some mission against akatsuki or perhaps itachi... I think tobi lives and reports back to the rest of akatsuki though he is probably messed up a little... The development is surprising and they decided to finally move against the konoha/hebi party because its too much of a threat to their plans... huge show down crazy things revealed... awesome battles... people die... and so on and so forth...

thats my prediction... odds of any of it happening.. lets say 3.2%

VincentV
July 14, 2007, 04:47 PM
Here's what'll happen (IMHO):

1) Tobi saves the day by using some insane technique and then saying: "That was close. Eh, Sasuke-Kun?"

2) Sasuke uses the insane technique (either Magekyou-Sharingan or some sort of Super-Chidori). Tobi appears and Sasuke is all (Damn... i can't deal with this other guy too, my chakra's too low) and then:
2a) One of Sasukes companions appears.
2b) A Konoha-Nin appears
2c) Tobi goes "OMG, you're so strong Sasuke-kun!!!! I'll tell you anything you want, just don't hurt me!!!"

3) Sasuke dies... (LMAO, yeah right XD)

4) Tobi and Sasuke get saved by someone else.

3shinkyo3
July 14, 2007, 04:49 PM
here's my predictions:
1. Saskue uses the last of his chakra to save himself and manages to survive but due to having such low chakra the jutsu he use not strong enough to completely save him and he survives but is left permenately scarred in some way (i.e. loss of arm or something), resulting in sasuke realising he is no way as strong as itachi and goes away and trains.

2.tobi uses a jutsu to save himself, which also happens to save sasuke (but not intentionally) i'm thinking like a black hole or sucks up th blast :) that would be pretty cool.

3. kabuto/oro save saskue in order to kill him themselves, but not now as kabuto wants to do it when he has surpassed oro.

4.It is a shadow clone and sasuke has already had a head start and just causually walks away with the blast behind him.

warbandit66
July 14, 2007, 08:51 PM
I think in the aftermath of the explosian, Tobi managing to somehow survive the blast will run onto the bomb site weeping for his late sempai, he well then discover a dying possibly dismembered sasuke lying in a crater having attempted to defend himself with his "other option" Tobi will approach sasuke and then a panel showing Sasuke's eye veiw looking up at tobi then fading into darkness, the final panel will depict Tobi walking off with Sasuke's body saying something alluding to possible cybernetic enhancements.

I imagine that we wont be seeing Sasuke for a while and when we do (hopefully android style) he will posses a completely new breed of mangyekou sharingan and an extremely enhanced chakra pool and far more extensive array of jutsu's

Yeah I know it sounds far fetched but it's pretty unexpected and Tobi has to serve some purpose

Juggernaut
July 14, 2007, 10:03 PM
haha I love the robot sasuke idea... although the possibility of sasuke being taken by tobi does also make a bit of sense... maybe sasuke takes deidaras position in akatsuki and naruto has to fight him again...

Hemostrat
July 14, 2007, 10:48 PM
Even IF Sasuke had the Mangekyou Sharingan, he can't even stand up let alone use an EXTREMELY high powered jutsu that takes roughly 1/3 of Itachi's chakra.

SacredNic
July 14, 2007, 11:29 PM
The Sasuke that punched Deidara and stood before him to the end was none
other then a kage-bunshin.

The real Sasuke is still where he landed after falling from the sky, and
managed to get out of the area once Deidara told the clone the range of
the blast.

How did Sasuke learn to do kage-bunshin you ask? Easy. From Naruto. He's
seen him perform kage-bunshin while his sharingan was activated during
their last battle. :tem

Shabanga
July 14, 2007, 11:43 PM
for some reason i still think it might be possible that this is not the end of deidara.
it's obvious tobi knew what deidara was about to do,and since we have almost no idea of tobi's abilities it just makes me wonder.i don't know,maybe tobi manages to save a part of deidara or something.who knows,maybe he can bring deidara back,possibly inside a small clay doll of himslef XD.
but really,i could also see tobi saving sasuke or something.and someone from konoha show up after that explosion.either way i can't wait for this new chapter.

randell6
July 15, 2007, 12:31 AM
what about the whole suicide bit being a genjutsu and dei only thinks he's dead but is really only knocked out

shachi
July 15, 2007, 02:26 AM
Karin finds Sasuke unconscious. Sakura finds Tobi unconscious. Suigetsu appears and intends to take Tobi back for interrogation. Sai or Kiba or (I hope) Shino jumps in and we have our next battle.

ibblows
July 15, 2007, 03:20 AM
curse seal level 3 anyone? Whatever it is, more than likely it will be what he didn't use when the mine failed to go off.

Gerada-Hazze
July 15, 2007, 05:35 AM
1st - I don't think those speculations about whole thing beeing a genjutsu, or Sasuke's KB could be true - Just look at Sasuke's eyes at the end of the last chapter. I think Deidara propably will be dead after his last blast, but at the end he finally made Sasuke scared. That's why I don't think that Uchiha can propably be ok by himself. And about his second way, or "that" jutsu, I agree that he rather didn't have enough chakra to do smoething... He even deactivated his Sharingan, propably because of lack of chakra... Most likely Sasuke will be saved by Tobi (I think that Tobi is a really good boy =P) or he will be very lucky and somehow he will be goner, but not death... And there are 2 different ways after that... 1st - If Sasuke will be almost death he can propably be dissapointed with his level, what is more - Juugo at the beggining said, that he want to see Sasuke's skills, so he propably won't be happy with him lying on the ground after his 1st one on one match either =P So from this view I would think, that Sasuke might really manage to come out of this battle with no serious damage... But than I would be REALLY dissapointed that Deidara died for nothing =/

wooticus
July 15, 2007, 07:06 AM
maybe akatsuki leader interferes and stops the explosion telling deidara that he has gone too far...

well there are only thow chances to escape from that explosion..
a) stop the explosion somehow: mangekyou sharingan (kakashi style)
or some unknown tobi/sasuke technique...
b) teleporting far away: flying thunder god technique
or some unknown tobi/sasuke(don't think sasuke has such things up in his sleeve) technique

Piekokas
July 15, 2007, 07:14 AM
Tobi will save Sasuke, and when questioned by Sasuke why he saved him, Tobi will say: "I need to help the last people from my clan", revealing that he is Obito... :o


Yeah i know... It sounds stupid, but hey... it would be really funny if this was true... :D

Paradoxicon
July 15, 2007, 07:34 AM
Tobi will bring the injured Sasuke to Zetsu so he can dispose of him once and for all ;)

Well, 2 things:
1. Deidara said "Sorry, Tobi and you are going to die!" which Tobi obviously wasn't too happy with ==> he will save himself (ofc) and cause I doubt they will let a whole city die his jutsu will also save sasuke and the city.
2. It won't be Naruto's group who finds the (injured) Sasuke, I think it will be a clash between Kiba/Shino vs Suigetsu and Jugo (sp?). Just like in the filler arcs the story focussed on each of the Konoha teams at one point, we had the Gaara & Co, Team Gai, and Shikamaru's team so far, so Team Kurenai HAS to do something (other than scouting).


Ah well, or maybe Gaara, Temari and Kankuro show up again saying "We are Akatsuki's enemies... the shinobi ... of the sand." ^^

76trombones
July 15, 2007, 10:36 AM
The Sasuke that punched Deidara and stood before him to the end was none
other then a kage-bunshin.

The real Sasuke is still where he landed after falling from the sky, and
managed to get out of the area once Deidara told the clone the range of
the blast.

Errrrr ... no. The blast radius is 10 km. Given that the fight probably didn't take place in a radius much larger than a couple hundred meters, and that no body in the series has yet proven that they can move 10 km in a matter of seconds, I find this highly unlikely.

If it helps, Sasuke is by no means dead ... yet. But he's going to be injured, most definitely, and I like the predictions people are making about Tobi saving Sasuke ... to take it a step further, I believe that Tobi will attempt to stop Deidara from doing his attack. We still don't have any idea what Tobi can do (an effective tool Kishi has used so far) so who knows?

I'm sick of this fight. I was disappointed to see that this chapter was yet another 17 (or was it 16?) pages of Deidara vs. Sasuke. I want to see what Naruto and co. are up to.

Paradoxicon
July 15, 2007, 12:18 PM
Errrrr ... no. The blast radius is 10 km. Given that the fight probably didn't take place in a radius much larger than a couple hundred meters, and that no body in the series has yet proven that they can move 10 km in a matter of seconds, I find this highly unlikely.

The guy in my avatar can! But I laughed hard when somebody here came up with the idea that Zetsu died to C4 when he was secretly watching the fight as he usually does.

PurpleHaze
July 15, 2007, 12:58 PM
Though the predictions of Tobi saving Sasuke seems quite possible, I like the direction Paradoxicon is going (or maybe he wasn't thinking of this...)

So my prediction is that Zetsu takes Sasuke underground with him and saves him from the explosion by moving out of the area with his super speed spying technique. Then Zetsu will make Sasuke join Akatsuki since Deidara would have defeated Sasuke if Zetsu didn't save Sasuke from the explosion. Zetsu puts an Akatsuki ring on Sasuke's finger and he can't remove it (hence the reason why Orochimaru's ring was still on his old ring.) Due to all of this Sasuke is forced to accept Tobi as his partner against his will and Team Hebi become subordinates of Akatsuki.

Reminds me of Death Note where Kira joins L. xD

midiman
July 15, 2007, 02:57 PM
Well i don't think it will be tobi to save sasuke becaus as stated by AL sasuke is a called enemy of Akatsuki and by saving him it would mean betraying Akatsuki.
Even if tobi was a good boy , i don't think he would betray akatsuki because he would be afraid to get eaten by zetsu.

It would be a lot more possible if sasuke had half of his body blown of and getting found by sakura *who would heal him* and then he would gather his team and say to sakura "without finishing my buisines with Itachi i can't come back to konoha" or found by KArin who seems to have some skills at human bodys as seen she was leader of a whole complex of orochimaru and did know a lot about experimation place of oro.

I think either Sakura or Karin are gonna find him heavyli injured and heal him but i doubt any kind of technique could protect you from that explosion. Its just too strong.

hasoon87
July 15, 2007, 03:15 PM
Prediction: Someone from the new characters is gonna pull something off that will seal / teleport the explosion, probably tobi as many have said. Also the saske in close range may be a kage bunshin and I agree that saskue may have learned it from naruto cuz he's seen him do it a bagillion times.

theshizzle
July 15, 2007, 09:00 PM
either sauske will be saved or use 'that' jutsu to get out

Deidara is dead

Tobi is alive

Sauske is alive..

Leonardo
July 15, 2007, 10:57 PM
Maybe Sasuke managed to copy Tobi´s jutsu of going underground. He was using Sharingan back then, and that jutsu doesn´t seem to use too much chakra. Probably the best way to escape a blast that strong.

james
July 15, 2007, 11:35 PM
I think that sasuke's new technique requires him not to use sharingan. That would make a neat twist since Itachi always uses it.

theshizzle
July 16, 2007, 12:03 AM
I think that sasuke's new technique requires him not to use sharingan. That would make a neat twist since Itachi always uses it.

true, since he refused to get the MS Itachi's way

but remember that scene where Sai, Sakura and Naruto find Sauske at Oro's Hideout?

Remember Sauske was about to kill Naruto when he found out about the Kyuubi?

Well what if Sauske did kill him then? Would he have gained the MS?? or did he already

have it, hmmmm???

Panda
July 16, 2007, 12:25 AM
In 363 We find out the real reason why Itachi killed his tribe. Bite on this. The writer always references old mythology when it comes to nartuo. One of the bieng the tailed beasts. Legend has it that the 9 & 8 taled beasts collide. Naruto legend has it that 2 great warriors fought over konoha in the old ages; the first hokage and madre uchiha. the same place where naruto and sauske fought. Since nearly every story has circular endings naruto and sauske are destined to fight at the end. He justifys sauske turn to evil by surrounding him with orochimaru and his past with itachi. As everyone will find out. The reason why itachi killed his tribe is to protect his brother. Itachi is not purely evil.

Uchiha is the prize of konoha and with that prize of one of their own should wield a tailed beast; the 8 tails. Itachi's own father may have started thid process causing itachi to choose his brother over his clain. Sauske does not remeber becuase the uchiha has mind tricks. Sauske does not know he has the beast within him. That is why the kyubuu reacted the why he did to sauske. This is also why Sai was sent kill sauske. Only few people in konoha know this information; sai's master.

I know this sounds like much. And obviously all this will not be concluded over one issue but the writer hides nothing to the public if you know your mythology & folklure.

"Art is a bang" (or variations therein), was originally coined by famous Japanese abstract artist Tarō Okamoto. Below
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STANDING OVATION for 10 minutes. I really like what you said and I support that Itachi is a very good person HOWEVER, it doesn't justify killing every last person guilty and innocent of the Uchiha Clan. It would surprise the living hell out of me if Sasuke was jinchuuriki. I don't think he is a jinchuuriki however it makes ALOT OF SENSE since Naruto carries Kyuubi and his rival may very well be 8 tails.

marte1980
July 16, 2007, 02:27 AM
STANDING OVATION for 10 minutes. I really like what you said and I support that Itachi is a very good person HOWEVER, it doesn't justify killing every last person guilty and innocent of the Uchiha Clan. It would surprise the living hell out of me if Sasuke was jinchuuriki. I don't think he is a jinchuuriki however it makes ALOT OF SENSE since Naruto carries Kyuubi and his rival may very well be 8 tails.
It doesn't make sense at all!Sasuke is not a jinchuuriki.If you want to make your fantasy work on sasuke you should look at all that story about the sojobo,madara uciha and the origins of the uchiha clan.
Anyway,too bad that sasuke won't die now,cause I really hate this character.It's just like Griffith,if you read Berserk,but at least Griffith is a far more interesting character.
In the next chapter, I hope to see Naruto doing something,anything!And most of all, Naruto should restart talking about becoming Hokage and stop this annoying "save sasuke,save sasuke,save sasuke".If this goes on for much longer,i'm gonna stop reading this manga.

warbandit66
July 16, 2007, 04:42 AM
Why would Tobi save sasuke from the blast, he didnt rush in to rescue him from C4 did he? He ran for his life because C4 is deadly, what makes u think that an explosive with a 10km blast radius wouldnt be fatal to him?

Krisel
July 16, 2007, 04:59 AM
Art is a Bang.Deidara:Ure goin to die.U cant escape.Aaaaaaaa...<Deidara farts terribly>
Sasuke is like ?.Shikamaru come's and lights his cigarette.Sasuke says:Nooooooooooooooooooo.Dont do it.<Boom>(scene similar like the one of Sherman Clump in Nutty professor the first movie) joking... :P
Sasuke using "that jutsu"?Sasuke is cool,his eyes were calm when he said:He's isnane.So he probably has a plan but Kakashi said Sharingan takes a lot of chakra to people who dont have Uchiha body.Uchiha's Sharingan is so cheap that it consumes a tiny portion of chakra.We saw Sasuke's sharingan that went off.So Sasuke has no chakra left.When its no its like 0% chakra.He cant use justsu's his body is paralyzed.Its a whole mess for Sasuke-kun.But....He wont die because of some "pathetic desperate Ultimate Bin laden no jutsu"...he is strong,intelligent and lucky.He'll be fine.

marte1980
July 16, 2007, 06:02 AM
Art is a Bang.Deidara:Ure goin to die.U cant escape.Aaaaaaaa...<Deidara farts terribly>
Sasuke is like ?.Shikamaru come's and lights his cigarette.Sasuke says:Nooooooooooooooooooo.Dont do it.<Boom>(scene similar like the one of Sherman Clump in Nutty professor the first movie) joking... :P
Sasuke using "that jutsu"?Sasuke is cool,his eyes were calm when he said:He's isnane.So he probably has a plan but Kakashi said Sharingan takes a lot of chakra to people who dont have Uchiha body.Uchiha's Sharingan is so cheap that it consumes a tiny portion of chakra.We saw Sasuke's sharingan that went off.So Sasuke has no chakra left.When its no its like 0% chakra.He cant use justsu's his body is paralyzed.Its a whole mess for Sasuke-kun.But....He wont die because of some "pathetic desperate Ultimate Bin laden no jutsu"...he is strong,intelligent and lucky.He'll be fine.
I don't think so,I think that sasuke stopped his sharingan to irritate Deidara even more,just because he understood he's insane.
About "that jutsu",it could be something like a super powerful chidori mixed with the fire element,something like water+earth of Yamato.
It could be interesting if Naruto in the future would be able to mix his rasenshuriken with the water element,that way he could beat fire and lightening of sasuke.

jodi
July 16, 2007, 07:31 AM
i think that Sasuke is almost going to die
Karin & Juugo will save him
suigetsu and sai will fight

khar2
July 16, 2007, 08:01 AM
i think that Sasuke is almost going to die
Karin & Juugo will save him
suigetsu and sai will fight
oh come on man, use your imagination like those two in front of you(marte and kris), i like you theory cris, and marte i like yours even more "stopped to irritate him more" thats briliant how couldnt i remmember that:)

Seranel N'Ryt
July 16, 2007, 09:56 AM
i supposed Tobi's ability (my imagine)

Tobi's jutsu is 'Time Attack'.
he got a cut -> time restore(set back one minute) -> resurrection with no damage

the same thing, Dei-chan's self destruction....
exploded -> time restore(set back one hour) -> not exploded -> No one killed

......... range of that explosion include the village staying Naruto(or Sakura, Karin)
will all charactor die?????? >_<

Inquisitor
July 16, 2007, 10:04 AM
Maybe Sasuke managed to copy Tobi´s jutsu of going underground. He was using Sharingan back then, and that jutsu doesn´t seem to use too much chakra. Probably the best way to escape a blast that strong.

Going underground won't help.

An explosion of that size is going to leave a very large and deep crater, which is exactly where Sasuke would if he went underground. Let's not even mention that an explosion of 10km in size would consume all the air around it in a larger than 10km radius, and could kill Sasuke just by burning the air straight out of his lungs.

coworlando
July 16, 2007, 10:15 AM
I actually think the Uchia clan is evil but I don't think that Sauske is a tailed beast. This next chapter will show that the entire fight was either in Diedra's head or Sauske is going to use some lighting shield ability that will completly drain him of chakra and leave him incapacitated.

Gulio
July 16, 2007, 10:25 AM
Sasuke is a fruit, a bundle of sticks that needs to die.

Unfortunately deidra is caught in his Genjutsu - sasuke was actually the lizard a fwe chapters back and created this clone for Deidra.

Fuzion
July 16, 2007, 11:27 AM
Yep, I still think this is all a Genjutsu. But, who knows, we'll see what happens.

3shinkyo3
July 16, 2007, 12:13 PM
Prediction: Someone from the new characters is gonna pull something off that will seal / teleport the explosion, probably tobi as many have said. Also the saske in close range may be a kage bunshin and I agree that saskue may have learned it from naruto cuz he's seen him do it a bagillion times.

I like this idea as would be a way to introduce the new abilities of the kohona team, if that was the case i would guess that kiba would find sasuke and on akamaru's back can travel insanely fast. He seems imo the only kohona member that could possible save sasuke. The only other person being tobi as we are yet to see any of his jutsu arsenal.

Black/Light
July 16, 2007, 12:41 PM
. . . Theres a few things that are confusing me with some people's guesses.
I know this is just our predictions but alot of what people are saying doesn't make much sense to me like. . .

1. Whats with this "Tobi saves Sas" stuff? Tobi had no problem with leaving Sas to get the full force of the C4 gas before hand so why now? In fact, I think the whole Tobi=Obito thing is starting to slip away seeing as Tobi feared the C4 as if he had no idea how to get around it ( as in he can't see it). . . .OR he is Obito and knew Sas would be able to see it. Either way I see no reason for him to help now.

2. Whats with this "Sas will use "that jutsu" to get away" stuff? Sas can't even stand and it seems he can't even keep his sg going so I REALLY can't see him pulling some super powerful move out of his *** at this point. Sas is going to have to be saved by someone. . . .I think that someone will be a leaf ninja seeing as none of his team mates seem to able to reasonablely help him now.

3. Why do I see "Sas made a KB" from soo many people everytime he slips up in this fight? Sas has yet to make one KB in the series from what I have seen and he aint really known for it. Plus, I don't think a KB will help him go too fare in a 10 K blast. . .unless he can super speed run 20 K in a few secs.

4. Whats with this whole " Someone stops the blast/ Kak teleports Dei somewhere" stuff? The blast is happening. . . we see that it has already started so I don't see Kak MSing it away. The only thing I can see happening to stop it is Naruto doing a FRS at the last moment on Dei (well saving Sas) as to dail down the blast/ counter it enuff to stop it short.

5. How is this a Genjutsu? Dei can see past Sas's gen and (heres the big one) Sas actually hit Dei in the face so this Sas can't be a fake Genjutsu. This is the real Sas at a REAL low/ tiny level of chakra sitting in front of a REAL Dei bomb which blows up to make a REAL blast on the last 2 pages.

6. When do we get the next chap? I think I heard that it's taking a brake this week. . .

If you can help me understand any of these than please, do so.

Juggernaut
July 16, 2007, 12:52 PM
What about Naruto and yamato do a combined Fuuton Rasengan/ water element jutsu like when they fought kakuza. They were able to stop his fie/wind attack with their drowning maelstrom technique or whatever it was called...

Maybe they roll in and sasuke is amazed by narutos improvements.. they they face off against tobi who recognizes naruto as the 9 tails..

Hemostrat
July 16, 2007, 02:05 PM
It just dawned on me and I understand it now. The person who is going to save Sasuke is Kabuto! I was just re-reading 357 and he says "But I'll leave you *Naruto* for later, for Sasuke-kun, the one who defeated Orochimaru-sama, comes first." (357 page 6). What a better way to kill two birds with one stone. Take Sasuke away from an explosion that would kill him so you can kill him yourself, AND get rid of an Akatsuki member who wanted Orochimaru dead.

ANBU4U
July 16, 2007, 02:16 PM
. . . Theres a few things that are confusing me with some people's guesses.
I know this is just our predictions but alot of what people are saying doesn't make much sense to me like. . .

1. Whats with this "Tobi saves Sas" stuff? Tobi had no problem with leaving Sas to get the full force of the C4 gas before hand so why now? In fact, I think the whole Tobi=Obito thing is starting to slip away seeing as Tobi feared the C4 as if he had no idea how to get around it ( as in he can't see it). . . .OR he is Obito and knew Sas would be able to see it. Either way I see no reason for him to help now.

I believe the idea is that Tobi will inadvertently save Sasuke as a result of saving himself.

Deidara thought to himself "sorry Tobi," which seemed to imply that he expected his final attack would kill all three fighters present....Tobi was shown with a "!" above his head right after this comment, so I think it's safe to say he's close enough to see whats going on and is therefore...boned. As neither Tobi NOR Sasuke will die here, one will have to save the other, as neither Hebi or The Leaf would bother saving Tobi from that attack...and so far as we know no member of either group can counter an attack that large after it's begun. Even Naruto's FRS didn't show enough offensive power to cancel out as much raw force as this explosion (not at 50% anyway) not to mention that the Nature of the attack (while earth manipulation) is effectively fire....which the Wind element wouldn't cope with all too well.

That said I have a hard time imagining Sasuke whipping out anything BETTER than the FRS, so that leaves Tobi....and we know he has something up his sleeves. Still, that begs the question 'Why would Tobi save Sasuke?' As I've mentioned it could be inadvertent...some sort of mid-range dimensional shift for instance....but I don't see why a technique like that (especially at the level needed) wouldn't be exxxtra short range. So that takes us back to Sasuke...maybe he does has something left after all......and he (unlike the others) WOULD want to save Tobi as well. Ill discuss this in a bit but if Sasuke does have something ready expect it to be on par with the 100% FRS, it sets a definitive bar for Naruto, and caps of Sasuke's abilities pre-Itachi. Here we'll see his move Pwn. Then we'll see Itachi Pwn it.

Classic Shonen story telling. Expect a lot of disgruntled Uzamaki fans, 'No fair FRS isn't even complete yet.' It'll be even worse if he walks away under his own power, they'd practically starting foaming at the mouth.


.2. Whats with this "Sas will use "that jutsu" to get away" stuff? Sas can't even stand and it seems he can't even keep his sg going so I REALLY can't see him pulling some super powerful move out of his *** at this point. Sas is going to have to be saved by someone. . . .I think that someone will be a leaf ninja seeing as none of his team mates seem to able to reasonablely help him now.

I'm 99% certain he turned off his Sharingan to provoke Diedara into doing something stupid, which he did. Sasuke probably didn't expect anything on the scale of what ended up happening...but I do think he expected Diedara to do something ill advised. It may also have served the dual purpose of saving as much chakra as possible to improve the odds of getting one final attack off if he needed to.

Don't forget that Sasuke's CS is basically a chakra source independent of his own body. His control over it is fine when his own chakra reserves are reasonable...but when they're low it seems the CS begins controlling him (if Juugo's any indication it would turn him into a mindless killing machine)....if he does use a jutsu to save himself expect him to pull from CS1.....he probably wouldn't risk CS2 in his state. This also allows Kishi to up the jutsu's power (as it will likely be Sasuke's only original, and therefore new signature jutsu) come Itachi/Naruto time. If this happens though I'd expect Kakshi's ESS to come into play immediately after.

Being a nice guy Tobi would then cough up Itachi's location as gratitude.

P.S.- Besides this is Shonen, even if he didn't have the CS he'd mysteriously find the power to squeeze out one last jutsu, ala Naruto vs. Kakuzu.



3. Why do I see "Sas made a KB" from soo many people everytime he slips up in this fight? Sas has yet to make one KB in the series from what I have seen and he aint really known for it. Plus, I don't think a KB will help him go too fare in a 10 K blast. . .unless he can super speed run 20 K in a few secs.

That depends on how long the KB was in place.

If it's been in place since the punch (Which would be most likely as Diedara lost sight of Sasuke when he hit the tree line) then its certainly possible he got 10km away.....perhaps he used an escape jutsu ala Kabuto or an animal summon.

Perhaps thats not even a shadow clone, but some other type that uses less chakra.....like a water clone, we know they use 20% of the originals remaining chakra, rather than a shadow clones 50%( <- a grievous waste IMO.) That could explain why 'Sasuke' seems so tired, and why the original still has enough chakra to escape speedily. Who knows? But it's certainly possible.


4. Whats with this whole " Someone stops the blast/ Kak teleports Dei somewhere" stuff? The blast is happening. . . we see that it has already started so I don't see Kak MSing it away. The only thing I can see happening to stop it is Naruto doing a FRS at the last moment on Dei (well saving Sas) as to dail down the blast/ counter it enuff to stop it short.

The FRS we saw didn't have that kind out explosive power....

Its like expecting a bunker buster to offset a hydrogen bomb, it wouldn't even register on a scale. Not to mention its effectively wind versus fire...which would only strengthen the explosion, as Naruto's FRS certainly does not drastically over power Diedara's final attack ala a candle in the wind. No one we know of now can counter this attack at this stage.


5. How is this a Genjutsu? Dei can see past Sas's gen and (heres the big one) Sas actually hit Dei in the face so this Sas can't be a fake Genjutsu. This is the real Sas at a REAL low/ tiny level of chakra sitting in front of a REAL Dei bomb which blows up to make a REAL blast on the last 2 pages.

Your right, it's not.

It's possible, but incredibly redundant and just....no. Its definitely not a genjutsu.


6. When do we get the next chap? I think I heard that it's taking a brake this week. . .

If you can help me understand any of these than please, do so.

This week is a double issue, there is no issue next week. Honestly, this the the biggest reason I think this chapter introduces Sasuke's new hotness.

Usually when a break is taken...we just miss a week. For this to be a double issue something has to be going on other than a few reaction shots along the lines of "OMG what was that explosion?" We'll see who's right in a few days.
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What about Naruto and yamato do a combined Fuuton Rasengan/ water element jutsu like when they fought kakuza. They were able to stop his fie/wind attack with their drowning maelstrom technique or whatever it was called...

Maybe they roll in and sasuke is amazed by narutos improvements.. they they face off against tobi who recognizes naruto as the 9 tails..

Wouldn't do a thing.
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It just dawned on me and I understand it now. The person who is going to save Sasuke is Kabuto! I was just re-reading 357 and he says "But I'll leave you *Naruto* for later, for Sasuke-kun, the one who defeated Orochimaru-sama, comes first." (357 page 6). What a better way to kill two birds with one stone. Take Sasuke away from an explosion that would kill him so you can kill him yourself, AND get rid of an Akatsuki member who wanted Orochimaru dead.

He won't reappear for an arc or two.

QMark
July 16, 2007, 02:29 PM
Well its sort of obvious that neither Tobi or Sasuke is going to die. Tobi as a character hasn't outlived his usefulness. Sasuke as a character just isn't concluded in the way that he should be.

Here is one way I see Sasuke and Tobi both getting out of this alive. Sasuke having a last resort up his sleeve and saving Tobi at the same time. Of course you'll be saying, "Why would he save Tobi? That doesn't make any sense." On the contrary it does. He is still looking for information on Itachi and since the first option is gone he'll have to turn to Tobi for interrogation on Itachi's whereabouts. Of course this type of news won't be handed over so easily. We may actually get to see Tobi's serious side.

Hemostrat
July 16, 2007, 02:31 PM
He won't reappear for an arc or two.



And what proof do you have of that?

lassefarlig
July 16, 2007, 02:59 PM
I for one still thinks Tobi=Obito, and I also think he has the ability to somehow revert the time of space (which saved him before, and will save him now). And I also think this is the only solution.
the explosion has actually happened now (we saw it). Even if Tobi is a good guy and decides too run off with Sasuke (which would make him superfast) or protect them with a jutsu, Naruto and co would still be caught unaware and die (and that would be a shame :/). And neither would at least I think that Deidara still is in a Genjutsu (since he currently really is dead).
But if Tobi reverts the explosion, he also unwillingly saves Sasuke and Hebi and Naruto with friends whether he wants it or not. Plus I would guess that even though he restores time, people are still aware of time happening. So even if Tobi wants to kill sasuke, he most likely won't be able to since the rest of Hebi will come.

My prediction is that:

Tobi will revert time, and therefore stop deidara from self-destructing. It would look like a tape rewinding, and the explosion and it's destruction undone. Hebi and Team Naruto will be alerted by the strange fenomenon that appeared (thoug it didn't). Tobi will probably flee, probably after meeting Kakashi (and Kakashi will think "Just now, was that blah blah).
As a reward of defeating Deidara, Tobi will give Sasuke information about Itachis whereabouts (either that, or another member of hebi will know something).

Hebi will appear first though, and take care of their injured leader, and after that the people of Hebi will meet people of Team Naruto for the first time.

Even though that may be a bit too much development for a single chapter, I think that's what going too happen.

If it by any chance is a genjutsu I think it's Tobi's work, and when thinking"Sorry Tobi" Deidara looked into Tobis eyes.

ANBU4U
July 16, 2007, 03:12 PM
And what proof do you have of that?

He was blatantly being set up as a major antagonist in the future, after he gets his Oro side under control, he won't be brought back before.

I have no proof other than literary precedent.

Lord Rae
July 16, 2007, 03:15 PM
My prediction is that we don't see Sasuke at all in this next chapter...maybe for a long time. I'm betting we get left to think he's dead or if he was saved we won't see it for a really really long time. Both team Hebi and Naruto's squads will see the blast (Sakura was in that city right? or is that the abandoned town... either way people are gonna see it and come running.

They'll find a massive crater and possible signs of Deidra and or Sasuke. But no bodies.

Then we'll move on under the (False) assumption that Sasuke is dead...

ANBU4U
July 16, 2007, 03:35 PM
I for one still thinks Tobi=Obito, and I also think he has the ability to somehow revert the time of space (which saved him before, and will save him now). And I also think this is the only solution.
the explosion has actually happened now (we saw it). Even if Tobi is a good guy and decides too run off with Sasuke (which would make him superfast) or protect them with a jutsu, Naruto and co would still be caught unaware and die (and that would be a shame :/). And neither would at least I think that Deidara still is in a Genjutsu (since he currently really is dead).
But if Tobi reverts the explosion, he also unwillingly saves Sasuke and Hebi and Naruto with friends whether he wants it or not. Plus I would guess that even though he restores time, people are still aware of time happening. So even if Tobi wants to kill sasuke, he most likely won't be able to since the rest of Hebi will come.

You think Obito Uchiha figured out how to revert time and space? Disregarding all the reasons Kishi would traditionally avoid such an ability, I still find that unbelievable.



My prediction is that:

Tobi will revert time, and therefore stop deidara from self-destructing. It would look like a tape rewinding, and the explosion and it's destruction undone. Hebi and Team Naruto will be alerted by the strange fenomenon that appeared (thoug it didn't).

Think about that for a second. Even if it were a localized time field or some such nonsense, it would have to cover all 10km.....and this whole theory assumes that Konoah and Hebi are within that 10km field....so how would they be aware of the time reversal?


Tobi will probably flee, probably after meeting Kakashi (and Kakashi will think "Just now, was that blah blah).
As a reward of defeating Deidara, Tobi will give Sasuke information about Itachis whereabouts (either that, or another member of hebi will know something).

If the scenario you just mentioned plays out Sasuke didn't quite beat Diedara though did he? I don't see why Tobi would reward him after he just saved his life.



Hebi will appear first though, and take care of their injured leader, and after that the people of Hebi will meet people of Team Naruto for the first time.

Even though that may be a bit too much development for a single chapter, I think that's what going too happen.

This may actually happen, but in passing as Suigetsu and Juugo cover Sasuke and Karin's retreat, there won't be much dialog. And the whole incident will likely serve to spark some sort of inferiority complex in Naruto and Sakura. If it happens I wouldn't be surprised if it only spanned a half chapter, so it may fit.


If it by any chance is a genjutsu I think it's Tobi's work, and when thinking"Sorry Tobi" Deidara looked into Tobis eyes.

I think that scene was just showing Tobi looking at Diedara from far off. There was no eye contact, I doubt Diedara knew exactly where he was, but rather considered it likely that he was within the blast radius.
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My prediction is that we don't see Sasuke at all in this next chapter...maybe for a long time. I'm betting we get left to think he's dead or if he was saved we won't see it for a really really long time. Both team Hebi and Naruto's squads will see the blast (Sakura was in that city right? or is that the abandoned town... either way people are gonna see it and come running.

They'll find a massive crater and possible signs of Deidra and or Sasuke. But no bodies.

Then we'll move on under the (False) assumption that Sasuke is dead...

Meh, its possible. But a waste of a double issue.

Besides the Manga's been Sasukeless for a long time...this whole arc has been about getting him back into the thick of things, something tells me kishi wont "86" him for 5 chapters at this junction. It'd be like going vacation right after your welcome back party.

IDK, I wouldn't be utterly shocked I suppose, but something tells me its not the case.

ShinobiWrath
July 16, 2007, 03:55 PM
I predict the person to save Sasuke would have to be Kakashi. sensibly watching from a distance as Sasuke and Deidara duke it out. Remember two things about Kakashi that leaves open a possibliity he survived the C4 attack

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1.) Has Raikiri and Chidori in his arsenal.
2.) Has Sharingan to see the flow of Chakra within the tiny C4 bombs.

Kakashi could have just as easily disarmed the attack the same as Sasuke I wouldn't put it past him. Another possibility makes this prediction valid. Kakashi's MS has the ability to warp other objects into another demension so it's possible he could have Warped Sasuke or the explosion into another Demension maintaining thr Blast's dead on effect but somewhere else. I'm not sure how much sense this makes but I just thought I'd make a simpler prediction than my last one.

daniel1983
July 16, 2007, 04:06 PM
I keep trying to figure out the 'distances' involved....

Diedare said "this blast will cover more than 10 kilometers"

Kakashi told his group to "search everywhere in a 5 kilometer radius" from the building that they were on.

Hebi did not discuss their range of movement. But I assume it will be similar to that of Kakashi's group.

Karin, Seigetsu, and Sakura were last seen in the city. Juggo and Shino were in the woods. Kiba was going through a field and Kakashi was jumping over rocks. Sai was running across a lake. Naruto and crew were walking along a trail with powerlines.

Now look the explosion picture with that in mind.

IMO....From the look of the terrain, Kiba and Kakashi would seemed to be closest to the blast based on geography features. Also there appears to to several ponds/lakes near the edge of the blast, so maybe Sai is close.

I really don't see Karin, Seigetsu, and Sakura coming to his aid or being involved in the blast.

I think we will see everyone's reaction to the explosion in the next chapter though, and maybe parties will cross one another while heading toward the epicenter. We will not find out what happened to Sasuke until someone gets close.

poopoomaru
July 16, 2007, 04:16 PM
As I see it either Tobi will inadvertantly save himself and Sasuke. Though this may or may not happen as he should do something about him, though I wouldnt put it past him to be too lazy to do anything about sasuke.

Or, after all the various explosions Kakashi and his team had already staarted toward sasuke and deidara and they got there just in time for kakashi to MS the portion of the blast that radiated toward sasuke and the crew. Tobi gets caught in the blast but using the same zombie-ness he used to get up after being chopped in half by sasuke he gets up out of the rubble and makes his way back to meet with the rest of Akatsuki, possibly naked to reveal his identity or something about him.

spactaa
July 16, 2007, 04:24 PM
"so it's possible he could have Warped Sasuke or the explosion into another Demension maintaining thr Blast's dead on effect but somewhere else"

Kakashi already said he didn't know where the other dimension was leading, so he will not use it on sasuke, and don't forget he could miss him like he missed deidara's arm. Also I can't imagine kakashi warping this HUGE explosion, that's crazy. I prefer the version saying that tobi could, by trying to save himself, save sasuke as well.

ShinobiWrath
July 16, 2007, 04:29 PM
"so it's possible he could have Warped Sasuke or the explosion into another Demension maintaining thr Blast's dead on effect but somewhere else"

Kakashi already said he didn't know where the other dimension was leading, so he will not use it on sasuke, and don't forget he could miss him like he missed deidara's arm. Also I can't imagine kakashi warping this HUGE explosion, that's crazy. I prefer the version saying that tobi could, by trying to save himself, save sasuke as well.

You're absolutrely right. Tobi saving sasuke makes a lot more sense. (Not sarcasm I mean this) =D

Hemostrat
July 16, 2007, 04:40 PM
He was blatantly being set up as a major antagonist in the future, after he gets his Oro side under control, he won't be brought back before.

I have no proof other than literary precedent.

So why couldn't he save Sasuke and then disappear just as fast as he came the first time? He doesn't kill him at the time because that wouldn't really be taking full revenge on him.

FinalHokage
July 16, 2007, 06:17 PM
I think the outcome of Deidara and Sasuke Battle will be based on the following terms :

1.- TOBI CANT SAVE SASUKE. :Tobi showed impressive defense abilities because he wasnt harmed by the Legendary Kusanagi Sword that cant be blocked. but at the same time he was running away from the first big blast that Deidara created, so is unlikely TOBI will save sasuke. Is more likely the other way around. Sasuke WILL save TOBI. (see next reason)

2.- SASUKE SAVES HIMSELF AND SAVES TOBI. : Even though sasuke was out of chakra, he was ready to use "that" jutsu before. I think he means what we already saw in Kakashi, is a variation of the Mangekyo Sharingan that TELEPORTS on contact. Kakashi did it to deidara with one eye, sasuke will use this tecnique to save himself and save TOBI at the same time. He is fast enough to do that. Also TOBI will show sasuke Itachi's Location.

FinalHokage.

warbandit66
July 16, 2007, 06:20 PM
I think in the aftermath of the explosian, Tobi managing to somehow survive the blast will run onto the bomb site weeping for his late sempai, he well then discover a dying possibly dismembered sasuke lying in a crater having attempted to defend himself with his "other option" Tobi will approach sasuke and then a panel showing Sasuke's eye veiw looking up at tobi then fading into darkness, the final panel will depict Tobi walking off with Sasuke's body saying something alluding to possible cybernetic enhancements.

I imagine that we wont be seeing Sasuke for a while and when we do (hopefully android style) he will posses a completely new breed of mangyekou sharingan and an extremely enhanced chakra pool and far more extensive array of jutsu's

Yeah I know it sounds far fetched but it's pretty unexpected and Tobi has to serve some purpose

I think that my prediction is far more beleivable than the idea of Tobi saving Sasuke from the explosion my reason being

1) Tobi ran for his life from C4 thnking that it would definately finish Sasuke, he did not show a shred of concern for Sasuke's life, why should he now?

2) Tobi is obviously a human being with cybernetic enhancements,and may retreive Sasuke's body in order to apply the same upgrades to Sasuke and attempt to reprogramme him as an Akatsuki member, but his desire for revenge will return to him after Itachi triggers it with a few words

Gahh
July 16, 2007, 06:24 PM
What about ...
Tobi then removing Sasukes eyes and implanting them to himself ?
Leaving a blind but living sasuke behind ?
Sasuke gets then saved by Naruto / Sakura, but remains blind until he can get his eyes back from tobi. So another diversion for Sasuke. (who's the main hero anyway in this manga).

AxelCross
July 16, 2007, 06:32 PM
I think that, sadly, Sasuke will have some extremely convenient technique to save himself and Tobi from the blast immediately. I'm not liking this whole "Tobi saves Sasuke" thing, I don't see how it makes sense. I do, however, see why Sasuke would want to save Tobi, and that's for information on Itachi's whereabouts. I'd rather something happen to either have Sasuke near death and someone save him (I'm not an extremist, I'm a realist, Sasuke dying here would be a complete waste), but I have a feeling Sasuke will come up with something, as it'd guarantee Tobi's survival, possibly give Itachi's whereabouts, and no needless deaths, as both Sasuke and Tobi have backgrounds and storyline arcs that still need to be revealed.

Since this week's release is a double chapter release, it gives me the feeling that something big will happen other than the aftermath of the blast, it doesn't make sense to have a double release just for that. What do I think? Well, given the HUGE radius this blast gave off, I think that, finally, my old prediction will come true: That Team Hebi and Team Kakashi will meet up. One could get by with saying that people were to far away to hear the other blasts, but every single person will hear and see this one. It'd make more sense to have a double spread for this reason, as it's a fated meeting that might cause quite an uproar.

I don't think a fight will ensue after that long fight between Deidara and Sasuke, but I think that there will be some commotion. That's the only thing I can think of to justify a double spread. Who knows, though? It's exciting to think about!

Lord Rae
July 16, 2007, 07:04 PM
The only way I can see Tobi saving Sasuke is if he does it accidentally or maybe in reference to the statement of his at the beginning of the battle about how he'll have to apologize to Itachi later. Maybe he doesn't want to have to tell him his brother is dead so he saves him. Its more likely that he'd do it by accident saving himself... or whatever he does Sasuke sees it and copies or piggybacks on it himself.

SacredNic
July 16, 2007, 07:18 PM
2) Tobi is obviously a human being with cybernetic enhancements,and may retreive Sasuke's body in order to apply the same upgrades to Sasuke and attempt to reprogramme him as an Akatsuki member, but his desire for revenge will return to him after Itachi triggers it with a few words

uh.... Naruto meets The Terminator? :tem


* First of all the explosion has already taken place so there won't be any teleporting of any kind.

* If Sasuke is without chakra, and on one knee, he won't be going anywhere fast.

* Have people forgotten the basics of using chakra to perform jutsus as explained by Kakashi back in the 1st series of Part 1? If Sasuke has no chakra, he can't perform any jutsus. So that won't be happening either.

ANBU4U
July 16, 2007, 08:28 PM
So why couldn't he save Sasuke and then disappear just as fast as he came the first time? He doesn't kill him at the time because that wouldn't really be taking full revenge on him.

Because it makes no sense.

Black/Light
July 17, 2007, 12:54 AM
@ ANBU4U's reply to me.

I few key things I just wanted to touch on.

My comment about the FRS was more so directed at the assumption that Naruto would show that he has completed it (making it much more of a bang than before). And I don't really see Dei's bombs being fire typed when they blow up.

Thats somewhat debatable but my thought on it was that they would step back and show Naruto coming in, saving Sas and doing his complete FRS before the blast goes off (not on the blast at the point its at on the last page) and this light show could be some weird cancelation of their attacks like at the VoTE fight.

And no, I just can't see Sas logically doing a FRS + level attack when he can't even stand up. I think the SG thing is anyone's guess. . . I have no idea wth goes on in Sas's mind seeing as he is a emotionalist ball of mush that only gave us the "WTF!?!?!" and ". . .Ohh sh*T!!!" looks in this whole fight (everything else was the same old cocky look). But I DO know he can't even stand at the moment and, unlike Naruto, he doesn't have chakra reserves to "pull that last bit of chakra out for a HUGE attack" from.
He is out of chakra. . . on his hands and a**. . . he aint logically do "that jutsu" anytime soon.

Oh, and Naruto wasn't completely worn out in that Kuz fight. He was ruffed up some and pretty tired from training but he was nowhere near "on his hands and a$$" like Sas.

ornis
July 17, 2007, 01:49 AM
I must say that Sasuke being able to discover a route from within the blast on out seems very unlikely ---he is already in the explosion's immediate radius and it's coverage is still spanning. It already hit him. Does he truly seal that fast? Well, maybe it's a dojutsu---again. That's too easy to me; I'd feel cheated---honestly. I'd rather not consider that unless the technique has a great balancer, er, cost.... perhaps more than a nap but a self-induced genjutsu that leaves your body in a coma--until you fight your way from its bind. >.>


Someone should have rescued Sasuke within the second of Deidara's complete reversion to his heart. Everything required to save Sasuke should've already happened unless a Kage Bunshin was just obliterated or Tobi can close off a select area of the battlefield he inhabits from any influence to that environment or even reverse any effect, though not necessarily time---all while he's within an explosion; a recap would then be imminent, a very thorough one. Questions following are---who's that fast, is the spent Sasuke a KB and can Tobi do that?

Speed-wise, Kakashi, Gai, and Lee? Really, they're that fast? I don't think anyone alive has been revealed to be so quick. Even so, two of the previously mentioned ninja don't even participate in Team 10's mission.

What about shadow clones? KB bleed, they fight. They also waste chakra at Sasuke's stage as someone mentioned before. And Sasuke is more headstrong alone than clone-compliant anyhow. If it's that simple, Sasuke really took great care to imitate the result of sticking himself with Chidori---and then had to scale... 20 km.... But to know of those kilometers, he would have had to have been present when Deidara mentioned the last bomb's specifics. As Black/Light wonders, is Sasuke fast enough? Just how swift is his Shunshin? How much chakra does the boy have...?

Why not go with Tobi? Tobi's action, now, should be for his own skin; and from the appearance of his resilient rebound from Sasuke's swift slash, Tobi's technique corrects damage he sustains. We know not if the area surrounding Tobi's injury can be affected by his rectification process. We know not how he'd address full body disintegration (an event unknown to have ever involved Tobi but could confront him here). We know that the area around the bisection was never focused on (air), only Tobi's "perfect" recuperation from the carve received attention. I, with regards to evidence, can only reason Tobi's actual damage to be affected by Tobi's ability at this moment.

So, how would he remove the explosion's effect on Sasuke's plane unless Tobi, by mending his own plane along with Sasuke's, attended to "Tobi's own damage..." does the environ encircling him truly relate to his well-being? Is the space around him an extension of him? How is that? All is so fantastical without rationale. Beyond such conjecture, if Tobi did not address an area that includes both Tobi and Sasuke, he'd already have to be in another dimension though still a witness to the inferno as in a room with a window to the fire outside, or Tobi would be out of the blast-radius---plus shoulder a skill that, with previous discernment of Sasuke's position, can single the Uchiha out automatically---but understand these are heavy assumptions. We don't even know Tobi's combat style beyond the running and the resilience... //everything is too defensive by the way---I mean, can Tobi even attack--- did we miss too much of the Sanbi conflict?// Tobi isn't one I'd figure easily. The majority of my thoughts on him remain too imaginative. His inclusion and thus development in the story has been very limited.

Debu
July 17, 2007, 02:32 AM
i like the idea of a member of hebi coming to save him, but why would they appear at the very last moment? here's a thought (apologies to whoever may have been predicting this for the past 4 chapters :)..

blaze dies down, there's a big crater, steam, and a dome of water. "i was wondering when you'd show yourself, suigetsu." the water takes shape "that's the thanks i get? i just wanted to see how our valiant leader did against one of these guys on his own."

suigetsu waiting, watching the fight would solve the problem of the sudden assistance.

why suigetsu? well, they showed him making progress as soon as he got to town: "i found some info and then came looking for you." then, at the end of the chapter, we can get a taste of what he found as a segue into the next stage of this info-gathering arc.

if they can just buy some time, the rest of hebi (and the konoha nin) will show up (the blast was Very visible) and could immobilize tobi. but maybe suigetsu already got enough info. that the town was shown in the final pic of the chapter makes me think we'll get reactions early in the chapter.

asd777
July 17, 2007, 03:07 AM
tobi will save sasuke !
tobi = obito

yemsta
July 17, 2007, 03:37 AM
So, how would he remove the explosion's effect on Sasuke's plane unless Tobi, by mending his own plane along with Sasuke's, attended to "Tobi's own damage..." does the environ encircling him truly relate to his well-being? Is the space around him and extension of him? How is that? All is so fantastical without rationale. Beyond such conjecture, if Tobi did not address an area that includes both Tobi and Sasuke, he'd already have to be in another dimension though still a witness to the inferno as in a room with a window to the fire outside, or Tobi would be out of the blast-radius---plus shoulder a skill that, with previous discernment of Sasuke's position, can single the Uchiha out automatically---but understand these are heavy assumptions. We don't even know Tobi's combat style beyond the running and the resilience... //everything is too defensive by the way---I mean, can Tobi even attack--- did we miss too much of the Sanbi conflict?// Tobi isn't one I'd figure easily. The majority of my thoughts on him remain too imaginative. His inclusion and thus development in the story has been very limited.

Nice thoughts here and there is much room for speculation on the notion that tobi will save sasuke and this seems the only viable option at the moment.

But I think that at this point in time the explotions have become far too obvious to ignore and other characters should have realised by now and should be getting here soon. The only characters which have met deidara and are in a close proximity are kakshi, naruto and their respective teams (as they should have been informed by now). Therefore the only logical persons to save sasuke are naruto or kakshi.

I exclude tobi from the list because I doubt he would want to betray the akatsuki leader by helping sasuje unless there is an alternate motive.

@ornis: hopefully I have understood your post correctly so here goes:

I really do like your thoughts on tobi's ability the area around him being an extention of him ( I hope you meant that literally), this would both explain why he was not affetcted by the first series of attacks. On the other hand this would not explain how he planted the mines underground. This to me seems like a rock nin/ earth technique.

•Sasuke•
July 17, 2007, 03:52 AM
suigetsu cant save sasuke becouse suiton element < doton element (deidara).

suiton>katon>fuuton>raiton>doton>suiton

Gerada-Hazze
July 17, 2007, 04:34 AM
This topic looks now like who will seve who =D But for real

From my view Sasuke saving Tobi isn't an option. Because there are a lot of ways Tobi can survive, starting from his abilities to avoid dmg (he still ha a lot of chakra =P) and ending with AL technique which can bring any member to the hideout in no time... so it won't be a trouble to leader to save Tobi after all =P But anyway - i think that Tobi isn't the one that will need saving =)

As it goes for Sasuke - There are a lot of options too
* Tobi saves him - arguments for and against above in this topic =P
* Kakashi saves him - That option is the most coolest for me, since i think that sooner or later Kaka will die saving Sasuke =P (but rather not now yet =P)
* Sasuke's luck saves him - Maybe he somehow hide himself in the woods and explosion won't find him, or something =P (just kidding =P)

and so on...

And about Genjutsu - If the whole think was Sasuke's techniqe then I would be VERY dissapointed... couse it would be just a waste of weeks in manga =P
About Kage Bunshin - I don't think that Kishi want another character with his speciall move beeing a Shadow Clones =D (Chapter 400 would looks like - 2000 Naruto KB and 1500 Sas KB against 1000 KB Itachi's 2000 AL and that fight would be watched from the woods by 1500 Kabuchimarus...)

•Sasuke•
July 17, 2007, 04:57 AM
mmh i'm sure that sasuke defeat deidara by himself without nobody's help. XD

LordKnight
July 17, 2007, 07:43 AM
I predict a fitting end to Deidara, as he deserves. The thing is though that i just don't know how Kishimoto is going to pull this one off, with Sasuke surviving the blast. If the blast radius was 1km then it'd be pausible - still not probable - but with a blast radius of 10km... Even the Fat Man's blast radius was just a mile, in other words in reality if that thing goes off the way Diedara explained, you can forget about Naruto, team hebi, tobi, Kakashi, etc (Not to mention the civilians). So, the most pausible scenario would be that we the readers are caught in Sasuke's Genjutsu somewhere in between chapters 359-360 an have been trapped in there ever since. No, but in all fairness it'd be quite interesting to see how Kishimoto would deal with this, but as many people have mentioned Deidara might be in Sasuke's Genjutsu or better yet, just seconds prior to the explosion Kakash has transported Diedara into another dimention and saves the day. That is the most likely scenario. Anyhow, i'd like to see Naruto himself congradulate Sasuke on his victory after the whole A-bomb mayhem is over.



ps. Hinata and Sakura will probably offer Tobi some tissues in the next chapter.

spactaa
July 17, 2007, 07:51 AM
Deidera beeing teleported somewhere else doesn't help (if he is still in one piece, to me ... he is history). Did you watch the last page? The explosion happened dude, if you want to avoid it by teleportation, you got to teleport the whole explosion (wich seems totally crazy, let's teleport konoha).

Ps:Let's kill the genjutsu theory already, do you seriously want to read something that lame :/...

jodi
July 17, 2007, 08:08 AM
and what about Sasuke using Konoha's yellowflash teleport technique?

LordKnight
July 17, 2007, 08:09 AM
Deidera beeing teleported somewhere else doesn't help (if he is still in one piece, to me ... he is history). Did you watch the last page? The explosion happened dude, if you want to avoid it by teleportation, you got to teleport the whole explosion (wich seems totally crazy, let's teleport konoha).

Ps:Let's kill the genjutsu theory already, do you seriously want to read something that lame :/...



Clearly you didn't read my post right, I said Kakashi might of transported him into another dimention using MS seconds PRIOR to the explosion. So yes, the explosion does take place, but not where Sasuke, Tobi and the rest of them are, somewhere far away.

ps. I don't like the Genjutsu thing anymore than you do, but into this dire situation "we can't take options off the table."

theshizzle
July 17, 2007, 08:24 AM
Will there even be a chapter this week?

spactaa
July 17, 2007, 08:28 AM
Oh yeah indeed, that can happen. The explosion we saw could be somwhere else, that's the best theory so far , un!(except the one saying that deidera killed everyone, and that the manga is over).

ninjaCN
July 17, 2007, 08:52 AM
my predictions would be that Kakashi arrives at the spot timely and uses his MS to send the whole explosion to another dimension. and i also thinks that Dei might survive as i believe the thing that is blowing off is some sort of shadow clone of Dei, sasuke HAS to survive because he is sasuke:)

•Sasuke•
July 17, 2007, 09:08 AM
mmh for me: the teory that someone arrive and transport the explosion in bla bla bla is absolutely wrong cause the explosion is already begun...
the "MS teleporting" is possible only if someone, before the explosione, had come to the place were saske and dei are.
I hope that deidara was not trapped into a genjutsu -.- (again....) and that kishi show us anather saske new jutsu :)

sKaR
July 17, 2007, 10:08 AM
yea...im alll up for another sasuke jutssu.but i think suigetsu will have a hand in saving sasuke this time.Or tobi some how.Still i find it hard as to how tobi can save sum1.Saving himself is easy as he literally cannot b harmed.but also another ,that seems far fetched..

Paradoxicon
July 17, 2007, 10:29 AM
mmh for me: the teory that someone arrive and transport the explosion in bla bla bla is absolutely wrong cause the explosion is already begun...
the "MS teleporting" is possible only if someone, before the explosione, had come to the place were saske and dei are.
I hope that deidara was not trapped into a genjutsu -.- (again....) and that kishi show us anather saske new jutsu :)


When kakashi used MS on Deidara when he "suicided" himself there also was an explosion but it didn't get as big as planned. But I agree, the explosion D unleashed is way too big for kakashi to teleport.

Suigetsu or Tobi are the ones that will intervene.

•Sasuke•
July 17, 2007, 10:49 AM
i don't think that suigetsu, a suiton jutsu's user can do anything to doton jutsu (and we know that deidara "art of explosion" is based on doton jutsu from sasuke).
there is no reason for tobi to interfere in this fight... however we know that tobi is, at least, about a km of distance (the range of the c4 Garuda) from the fight.
i think he is too far to do anything!

Kusachu
July 17, 2007, 10:49 AM
I thought that Sasuke knew shunshin no jutsu...which is similar to hirashin, right? Wouldn't that make Sasuke really, really fast?? Though i think it will take a little more creativity to get out of trouble this time. I think it's time for Sasuke to use his "other" option, whatever that was.

So is there really no chapter this week? Or was that next week?

•Sasuke•
July 17, 2007, 11:03 AM
for the last question i found this post on NF from hexa


It might be a bit late, but the schedule is like this:

Jump #34, containing Naruto 363, comes out this week (for us)
Jump #35 next week, so we get 364 with that issue (unless Kishimoto takes a break)
Jump #36-37 the week after next, so we get 365 with that issue (ditto).
Week after, no chapter.

The guy who gave the true spoiler for 362 said 35/36 was a double issue. That's not the case, however. If you look at the Neuro anime preview, it mentions that more information on the anime will come out in issue 36/37, meaning 35 is a single issue (since we know from the preview that 34 is a single issue and numbers don't repeat).

jodi
July 17, 2007, 11:38 AM
Zetsu will come and eat Deidara.

Tobi will save Sasuke with HIS MS teleport technique that is a bit different from Kakashi, since it is the same Sharingan

xD

Hemostrat
July 17, 2007, 12:45 PM
Because it makes no sense.

And Tobi saving Sasuke does? Or Sasuke pulling out any jutsu, let alone a Mangekyou Sharingan, when he has no chakra? Or Sasuke using a bunshin when he's never used one in his life?

ornis
July 17, 2007, 01:15 PM
Kakashi might of transported him into another dimention using MS seconds PRIOR to the explosion. So, the explosion does take place, but not where Sasuke, Tobi and the rest of them are, somewhere far away.



I wouldn't mind this; it seems applicable if Kakashi can stomach the effectual eye strain.


suigetsu cant save sasuke becouse suiton element < doton element (deidara).

suiton>katon>fuuton>raiton>doton>suiton

Just... some thoughts...

Deidara's primary affinity is Doton. True. But the method through which he channels his affinity especially involves the detonation of clay (earthen) figures/figurines which scientifically should incorporate a chemical change to initiate those explosives: his bombs should detonate under a chemical reaction that may be sparked with Raiton, in some chakra-honed, electrically recomposed form, Fuuton if oxygen is the required initiator (along with some fuel), or Doton-on-Doton friction, which then creates internalized/externalized heat with the right allowance of oxygen sustaining the resulting ignition so that it may complete an explosion.

Why would chemicals even be necessary? Even regardless of the friction, can't the chakra vouch for itself? Fantasy could abandon the need of oxygen to set off combustion (with a fuel). However, the measure of reality seemingly rises from Deidara's own hands: the mouths salivate---saliva carries enzymes; enzymes aid in the digestion of food/victual or in this case, may aid in the breakdown/reformation of clay into a lethal weapon.

The saliva's involvement is hypothetical; the hands, in "tounging" each other, have just salivated and have not garnered evidence to the salvation's application. But chakra, being involved in all of Deidara's attacks, causes me to understand how clay can be forged into a figure/figurine out of numerous parts, as components in the clay may work as a wadded gunk of a puzzle, wherein the enzymes and chakra could reconstitue the pieces into something usable according to the quality of clay used, the mouth reassembling such clay, the chakra involved, etc. But I can only speculate at this moment. Science has a way in nonetheless, so chemicals can apply. Think about Naruto's cellular issue when he uses Kyuubi to recuperate. The replacement of his lost cells require the duplication of other cells at an incredible speed---such shortens his life span and such would shorten ours in reality. Science fits.

Anyhow, once Raiton gets involved, a fire can result due to heat, and we have the evidence of Deidara's own explosives---they have created fire balls. At that stage, Suiton is ample to trounce the blaze, as long as it is active and the Suiton can match it's force a la Gufuu Suika on a grand hurricane-like scale //unless the blast is nuclear// Suigetsu has shown no such level of an attack (Gufuu Suika)... I won't vouch for him wholeheartedly. Maybe Kakashi will whip out a black hole >.> But the force, to be matched by Naruto (plus Yamato) at this moment, would fail to save Sasuke (thinking he's still in the blast)---unless the timespan of the explosion's expanse correlates to Sasuke's survivability.

Perhaps he was fronting to Deidara, has prepared a shield of sorts, and currently withstands the blast until the force/heat/etc. depletes his defense and does so in a ratable duration of time. Every km may be a second against the amount of time Sasuke's aegis endures: at, say, 15 seconds it would be too late for Naruto to save him because the defense, for instance, subsides once the explosion extends 15 km, with a radius of 7.5 km. Just a scenario, though pretty easy, save for the power Naruto must employ versus the blast. Regardless, how would Naruto know who he'd be saving? It'd be a chance rescue: "I happened to nearly get incinerated, so Sasuke, I saved you... unintentionally?"

Dracul
July 17, 2007, 05:45 PM
although this will never happen, it would be completely insane if naruto came in with the flying thunder god technique, grabbed sasuke, and teleported out. its not gonna happen... :-P

psolaras
July 17, 2007, 05:54 PM
sasuke mentioned he had an alternative plan which might have been the MS so if he has it he can teleport deidara like kakashi did,though this would be like his fight with oro,another battle scene in replay

to be honest i don't think sasuke has itachi's MS but kakashi's which is propably weaker if he has MS

but if he has it does he have any chakra to use it????

Hemostrat
July 17, 2007, 07:45 PM
I really hope Sasuke doesn't have the MS, that would be just too predictable.

kit99bar
July 17, 2007, 11:29 PM
Either Tobi saves Sas or Sas saves Tobi. Tobi is not that far away because he was close enough to hear sas and dei talking. perhaps he came back at some point?

My final prediction is that Tobi saves Sas by either grabbing him and going underground or using MS. The former is more likely.

LordKnight
July 18, 2007, 12:44 AM
Either Tobi saves Sas or Sas saves Tobi. Tobi is not that far away because he was close enough to hear sas and dei talking. perhaps he came back at some point?

My final prediction is that Tobi saves Sas by either grabbing him and going underground or using MS. The former is more likely.

Tobi saves Sasuke? I read some crazy stuff like Suigetsu saving Sasuke or Zetsu eating Deidara, but i gotta admit, Tobi saving Sasuke using MS should definitely be nominated for whackiest idea of all time Oscars.

kit99bar
July 18, 2007, 12:58 AM
To me it seems like Tobi doesn't care or respect Deidara at all. Even his "he was a good senpai" quotes seemed like he was totally ridiculing Deidara. The only thing he's done against Sasuke is laying the mines, but when he was done he yelled out "your mines are done". It might be wacky but to me it seems like Tobi is just spectating and having fun, not really involved in the fight.


Tobi saves Sasuke? I read some crazy stuff like Suigetsu saving Sasuke or Zetsu eating Deidara, but i gotta admit, Tobi saving Sasuke using MS should definitely be nominated for whackiest idea of all time Oscars.

LordKnight
July 18, 2007, 03:23 AM
Actually that observation is dead on. So i completely agree with all of that, but i don't see how that may elevate the chance of Tobi rescuing Sasuke using MS, from none to slim. Anyway, i know it was a joke, lol. Btw, the latest spoiler is most likely fake. Because I don't think Kishimoto would kill off Tobi just like that, however there is a possibility that Kisame and "the others" are mistaking. Overall, i liked it, kinda neat.

Paradoxicon
July 18, 2007, 04:17 AM
Hmm, I guess Naruto and Hinata will show up and combine their MS to a super MS that saves sasuke!:p

Elldar
July 18, 2007, 08:56 AM
Why isn't possible for the waterboy suigetsu to save Sasuke? he sure has a water-jutsu to cool-down the heat from the explosion I guess.
Well, Kakashi could do it aswell, he might not be able to move that explosion, but what if he moved Sasuke and himself into the dimension. It should be easier.

cerventus
July 18, 2007, 11:39 AM
Hmm, I guess Naruto and Hinata will show up and combine their MS to a super MS that saves sasuke!:p

Since when Naruto and Hinata have MS.

My perdiction that Naruto will somehow save Sasuke from Tobi.

Sasuke will survive the blast using his alternative however since he is low on chakra, he is easy prey to tobi.

Naturo vs Tobi will be very good.

llamapie
July 18, 2007, 12:03 PM
My prediction we don't find out what happens to sasuke next chapter just that deidara is actually dead. Some examining of the battle field and some group discussions on both ends.

ClockworkMyr
July 18, 2007, 01:11 PM
Electricity (Lightning Jutsu) can shut down Deidara's clay, and Sasuke's out of Chidoris, so I bet Kakashi may run in and use Lightning Blade on Deidara and shut him down (And Dei throws a major fit).

thekyuubikid
July 18, 2007, 01:39 PM
Hmm, I guess Naruto and Hinata will show up and combine their MS to a super MS that saves sasuke!:p

right....

if tobi is dead thats jus dread...we havent seen anything of him

i dont think kishi will kill him off




Refrain from any "spoilerage" //spoiler convo outside the proper thread//

ShadowStrike
July 18, 2007, 02:50 PM
Tobi can't die, not just yet.

Paradoxicon
July 18, 2007, 02:57 PM
Since when Naruto and Hinata have MS.

good god, I can't make the sarcasm any more obvious, sorry...

C4animax
July 18, 2007, 05:03 PM
Next : Memories on deidara's past, that sure would be smart!

V!nce
July 20, 2007, 11:12 PM
this may be my first post..haha...but for what kishi seems for the drawing of sasuke ''eye'' at the end of chapter....
most probably sasuke ain't going to die...cause of either one of the hebi [juugo was around the forest for heart to heart talk with animal :-) ] or konoha ninja will appear to help....
not to forget kakashi onced teleport deidara blast to other dimension...the reapperances of mange.sharingan.. haha

kunai-knight
July 21, 2007, 01:14 AM
Confused as to how sasuke escaped the blast with manda but...will wait until better translation before posting negative comments. Definetly an action filled chapter though. Cant wait to see what the colorists produce.

Sentou Ryoku
July 21, 2007, 01:17 AM
So Pein (Pain/Payne) IS the Akatsuki leader. Only the Akatsuki chick's name is left. Oh, plus shadow dude. The tile was a little annoying too..."Sasuke no Shi" is really inappropriate considering he's STILL alive...

voidyou17
July 21, 2007, 01:40 AM
haha... Did Kishi make Tobi just to screw with us... not that I ever believed in the whole Tobi/Obito thing but still. I hope he doesn't die but for some reason I can see Kishi doing that and then just sitting back laughing at all the people who thought he would play such a major role.

I can't help but think that Akatsuki has a plan for Sasuke... We know that they want to capture all the bijuu and release them to start wars with other countries... could they need Sasuke to control the Kyuubi? he has already shown the ability to suppress it.

Sasuke is becoming more and more like Oro... sacrificing his men/Manda to accomplish his goals. In the end will he end up worse then his brother?

Remus
July 21, 2007, 02:03 AM
Pretty interesting that even the leader is just following orders of someone even superior as it looks and now Naruto seems to be in trouble ^_^

xxept0
July 21, 2007, 02:59 AM
Isn't it nice of Kishimoto to dispel both the Akatsuki leader=Yondaime AND tobi=obito theory in a single chapter!!! Months of debates, and well thought arguments down the drain. Goodbye, good ridance. But I'm gonna miss my DeiDei and Tobi. :( They brought joy into my life....

IMO, I think this is one of the better chapters in months, plot development wise. Really makes me wish next week was now; Something I haven't felt in a while.

AND YAY!!! Female Akatsuki!!! xD

akosisupaman
July 21, 2007, 03:10 AM
i dont know if anybody said it yet but female akatsuki is pretty hot

wooticus
July 21, 2007, 03:37 AM
tobi will definetely come back... why the whole thing with the mask when its not revealed some time. it will be like kabuto.. nobody cares about him for a few chapters and then hes suddenly there...

im not sure about it, but doesn't BH call AL "Pain"? so not BH is called Pain but AL, am i right?

AngelMayLaugh
July 21, 2007, 03:49 AM
i dont know if anybody said it yet but female akatsuki is pretty hot

Hinata > Female Akatsuki


The AL looks like a badass version of Naruto, can't wait to see his abilities.


Why does everyone talk about Sasuke's 'eyes'?

Remus
July 21, 2007, 04:25 AM
I doubt that Tobi is dead. Sasukes slice with the Kusanagi just went through him so why wouldnt he be able to overcome this explosion ? He will come back and kick Sasukes ass.

Darknives
July 21, 2007, 04:26 AM
they waste a lot of potential if tobi is just killed like this.
cant believe theres a boss controling
akatsuki leader. Is he a shinobi? probably much stronger than the leader

walkie
July 21, 2007, 04:37 AM
Tobi didnt die guys comee oonn..the one appeared at the end, the one talking to leader, is tobi himself

xxept0
July 21, 2007, 04:53 AM
Why would Tobi miraculously come and kick Sasuke's ass when Sasuke has already made his speedy escape?

Let's just say that Tobi didn't die. I highly doubt he'll hold a grudge. He didn't seem all too upset or pissed off he realized Deidara was gonna use the C4.

And I don't understand what him wearing the mask has anything to do with him dying or not. Yea, I know, you're probably a believer in the tobi=obito theory, but if he wasn't obito, then the mask is just a mask. No explanation needed. We don't go all "ooh, Kakashi is wearing a mask... He must be Niidaime!!!"


Tobi didnt die guys comee oonn..the one appeared at the end, the one talking to leader, is tobi himself

Proof? There is no indication whatsoever that mysterious new power dude is Tobi. None. Just an assumption in your plot twist.

Nascent
July 21, 2007, 05:01 AM
Confused as to how sasuke escaped the blast with manda but...will wait until better translation before posting negative comments. Definetly an action filled chapter though. Cant wait to see what the colorists produce.

This is my interpretation on what happened in this chapter.

Sasuke realising that there was no way to escape the blast quickly summoned Manda (not sure how he had enough Chakra left for this). He then controlled Manda using his sharingan genjutsu. After stepping inside Manda he cancelled the summon sending them both back to the place that the summoned beasts come from.

However Sasuke didnt do this quick enough and the blast caught them. Manda of course recieving the majority of the impact. Suigetsu realised what had happened and summoned Manda. This brought Manda and Sasuke to the place where Suigetsu was which could be miles away from the battle ground. THis will make it almost impossible for Naruto and co/akatsuki to locate him as they will likely travel to the battle ground.

Manda was still suffering from the impact of the blast and appears to have died shortly after being summoned. The scene then moves to the Akatsuke leader and an unknown akatsuki female who are talking to a mysterious figure. It appears that the Akatsuki are taking orders from someone else.

ophidial
July 21, 2007, 05:34 AM
i know it seems weird, he had enough chakra to summon
manda and cast a genjutsu on him. only thing i can think of to
explain this is that he used some scroll or something that he earlier
obtained.
anyways bout the guy higher up, not totally surpirsed considering
itachi's mention of a higher echelon all the way back in chapter 147,
so im actually suspecting it to be a whole group of people not just one.
but mayb they're more like political figures rather than extremely
strong ninjas.
finally woot!! AL and blue hair.

bennibb
July 21, 2007, 05:42 AM
Wel... looks to me like Itachi almost smiles when he heard Sasuke killed Deidara (or forced him to blow up) And again He could be mistaken to look SAD when Sasuke died. Thats no feelings for a sosiopath. This tells me he still loves his brother and maybe had a bigger plan than just getting a duell to witch is better of the brothers. Itachi is more than just a villain in Aka... He got Aces up his (.) Atleast thats what I think... And this chapter amplyfied that alot. Wel... So Aka takes orders from someone else. And the way he talks... Then he must be a strong ninja. And I have said this before... Aka leader (Pein) looks like Narutos older brother or father. I dont care if his head is red... That has nothing to do with sibling genes. He alsow must be way older... Like Father older or uncle or something. Strange for Kishi to make them look identical in face and structure and not have them related.

And for Sasukes escape... that was insane. I dont care how much he prepared for this battle... But to summon Manda ANd controle him at that state he was in... We KNOW he was out of chacra due to his collaps and the witdrawal of sharingan. So that was something to brag about to every kage or super villain in heaven or hell must have been the biggest feat in the history. No wonder they yapp about him been capabel to surpass Itaci but 1 thing is clear now (prob was before alsow) He cant take on Itachi yet... How close he is we cant know...

One last thing, and im so glad it came up... Sasuke "confessing" that he killed Oro when he was at his weakest. Thank you Kishi. Oro the main villain up to that point didnt just die to a 15 year old brat but was backstabbed by his aprentic when he was at the all time low (like pure Star wars Sith style)

jhotboy68
July 21, 2007, 05:43 AM
This was a realy informative chapter we finaly know who the leader is. Them talking about Sasuke and the Kyubi will bring back all the Uchiha Madara stories now.

Paradoxicon
July 21, 2007, 05:44 AM
Tobi looked quite surprised and like he's done for when the explosion hit him.
But that's a good sign!^^ It was the same when Sasuke stabbed him. Tobi IS alive and he IS a good boy. And master Zetsu is worrying about him :amuse

I bet we will see Tobi back in action some day "Zetsu-sempaiiiiiiii!!! I survived!! Have you seen my jutsu????" and once again nobody will know what he's really capable of ;)




about the manga itself:
The Sasuke without chakra that has to deactivate his Sharingan and is about to die miraculously summons Manda, while even the chakra wonder Naruto needs Kyubi chakra to summon Gamabunta, then he uses a genjutsu powerful enough to trick one of the Sannin pets, and according to Suigetsu used a flying and time-space-manipulation jutsu to escape. O...kay.

And the leader of the leader is probably a Zetsu-like agent of another criminal organisation that has yet another mysterious leader that is just an agent of another organisation.


yeah, I'm not 100% satisfied about the way the manga and the anime are going, sorry. :darn

Shabanga
July 21, 2007, 05:48 AM
Finally we get to see the 2 last members,but now there's this new leader guy.
i'm gonna go along with the theory that it's uchia madara behind the whole thing.
and turns out the leader's name is pein >.<
i saw on wiki that the girl is named toko,then it was removed so it probably wasn't true.
also yea,tobi is not dead.cant wait for some epic battles in the next chapters.

SOCKSnTHONGS
July 21, 2007, 05:50 AM
wowowowow crazy-ass chapter. sucks that tobi died without showing any of his skills (supposedly) sucks even more that deidara died without getting a page to himself on wikipedia T_T... although it is completely retarded how sasuke didnt have the chakra to stand up yet he had the chakra to summon manda and cast genjutsu on him. glad konoha shinobi finally realised that deidara and sasuke were fighting.

akatsuki leader called pain...
chick with blue hair...
someone above the akatsuki leader.........

this naruto storyline just got realllllly good and now i guess we can postulate that there will definitely be more chapters after akatsuki is finished.

darkangel012
July 21, 2007, 05:54 AM
i thought about something
maybe evil-mind-orochimaru did a little kyubi here, ala "sasuke you're going to die kukuku but i would die with you so i lend you some strength, and you really thaught you were near itachis level kukuku"~
just an idea, dunno if we'll see inner orochimaru ever again or if he can even do some chit chatting with sasuke...

bax
July 21, 2007, 06:08 AM
A great chapter indeed! A lot of revelations in this one.

Well.. I think Deidi is done for personally. Zetsu reported it. In the first "attemted suicide" by Deidi, when Zetsu and Tobi went to search for the rings, he didn't even surprised that Deidi is still alive that time. Which basically means, he knows that Deidi was still alive that time. But I don't think Tobi is done for. Heh, we neither have seen him much, nor his full powers and most importantly his identity.

The disappointment for this chapter for me is how Manda died. Well for once, I really felt like it's too wasteful of Kishi to do that. I was hoping to see a grand battle between Naruto & Sasuke at the end, with summoning jutsus and all of their arsenal. Looks like the giants' battle won't happened =/

It's a refreshing sight to see all the members revealed. But hey, Kishi decided to throw in more mysteries. Who is that guy anyway? He clearly said that "as the leader" to Pain/Payne/Pein (whatever the correct name is). Which could mean that the title "Akatsuki Leader" is just a title to hide himself from the other Akatsuki members. He/She is only known to the leader and the blue haired woman. Well, that's my pck anyway. And I got the feeling he is someone we know, and no, I don't think it's either Yondaime or Oro. Yondaime is dead (I'll tell in the spoiler below since it is not related to the chapter) and Oro is dead (well.. kinda >.>;; )


Well, he used the Shiki Fuin, which will mean, the user WILL die. He used that on Kyuubi. He is dead. If not, that means his body was never been found. He is said dead because most probably people retrieved his dead body, either wise, he will be called missing not dead. Plus, he did that jutsu on Gamabunta's head. Ermm.. I don't see any reasons why Gamabunta wants to hide his death anyway, and if he is, most probably Jiraiya would know about it.



1. What if Gamabunta really kept the secret of yondy is still alive and just say to the Konoha nins the Yondy is dead?

2. How can Yondy told Sandaime about the Death God, about the user who cast teh jutsu will die? It's not like he tried it since he said the user will die

Above all, I don't believe these two :p


Well, for me, Yondaime is dead. He died (in the purpose of storyline) to create the Naruto legend. The legend of the Demon Fox Kyuubi Kid.

Well, please don't discuss about Yondaime directly in this thread. This is just a side food for thought from me :amuse


Now talking about apperances. I like the design of the woman a lot. It looks like a classic Chinese character. Or like a character from the Blade of Immortals :p But heh, the leader is from the Rain Village :blink And don't tell me about any theories, for me theories are just predictions, nothing more than that :p A lot more revelations to see in Naruto, although I personally believe Naruto would lasts a bit more than a year from now before we see the end.

Hmm.... Now for the Hebi Team. Well, I think they are in the worst situation they can be right now. I have no doubts that the other three than Sasuke are strong, yes. But right now, Sasuke is pretty much I dare say, immobilized. Well, the really bad thing about it is, he is immobilized at the explosion spot, which surely be the target of the konoha Team right now.

Well, Kakashi already sensed Deidi's Chakra there and Kakashi can't determine who is Deidi is fighting against. Unless Yamato given the Chakra detecting pills to each one of them again. But hey, I don't think so, since it beats the purpose of Kakashi's summoning dogs. So, it is safe to conclude that Kakashi doesn't know who Deidi is fighting against with, which most probably means, he will go there and check out the scene. In the best possible scenario, if Kakashi can recognize Deidi's Chakra, he most probably can recognize Sasuke's too, which the end resutlt would be, he will still go check the scene. Which in turns, Naruto will most probably go there (eventhough IF Yamato told him not to). Which concludes that, if Team Hebi doesn't get away from there in an instant, they are in a pretty bad shape for a battle.

Well, lastly, for Sasuke, here is my take. He is brilliant in this battle. His prowess, resourcefulness proved once again. He even didn't hesitate to use Manda in that huge escape. I wonder if he is really making a team of fighters or rather a team of shields for him :s

walkie
July 21, 2007, 06:10 AM
Proof? There is no indication whatsoever that mysterious new power dude is Tobi. None. Just an assumption in your plot twist.

i think it was obvious this was my assumption :) but when i put things together i believe tobi is the one, anyway this is not a discussion for this topic ;)

Paradoxicon
July 21, 2007, 06:27 AM
i think it was obvious this was my assumption :) but when i put things together i believe tobi is the one, anyway this is not a discussion for this topic ;)


Even if the new AL acts "dumb" when he shows up as Tobi why would he still act dumb when he's about to die with all those "Wha-" and "!!!"
Tobi being the new AL = lol

Nafycuk
July 21, 2007, 06:53 AM
Gambuta would be killed for sure too. In battle against AL Paine. That makes sense, since Kishi just fucked up with everything. The whole idea with Sasuke pulling out such tricks with no chakra - just the shit load of fuck. Kishi just killed the whole serie in one chapter. -Sasuke is a man. Nobody fucks with him. Even Chuck Norris- (c)

2ndKurono
July 21, 2007, 07:05 AM
well this was da best chapter for me ever,Sasuke is so strong,he is awesome in battle,a genius to summon the manda use genjutsu on it i dont even what kind u need to do on a animal to scare him like that.Itachis looked like he definanlty cares about his brother,but he Itachis is still way better then Sasuke.And it seems Akatsuki wants Sasuke,for some reason,probably for Sharingan.The leader and that girl are looking that they are from some kind of punk rock band.I realy dont know who the leader is but i have some predictions it may be Madara but that would mean hes older then the 3rd but then again he may use forbiden jutsus like Oro did,or it may be Yondaime i dont realy think its him but at the ssame time i dont think he could die from sealing the Kyubi into Naruto,its a secret we seem.I hope in da next chapter he will reveal himself.Tobi is def not dead,hes stronger and hes just acting like hes weak,i think he is def strong probably at Sasukes level.

And Naruto said "Lets go",he probably recognized Sasukes chakra,they both will see each other in da next chapter,well thats what i hope.

And on that statment that Pein is Narutos family,i think that may be true to also.

Dxl
July 21, 2007, 07:13 AM
Tobi didnt die guys comee oonn..the one appeared at the end, the one talking to leader, is tobi himself

i like your thought ;) i think that would be really cool hehe

theshizzle
July 21, 2007, 07:23 AM
YEah Sauske does have sinister chakra, and that guy said that his eyes might be better than itachis
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also does anyone notice that Kisame is always talking the most, during the Akatsuki's meetings?

Darknives
July 21, 2007, 07:24 AM
tobi is like a super strong shinobi with a super chilldish dumb mind lol, in a way..
doesnt seem like akatsuki needed sasuke. they just wanted to take him out cause he was going to get in the way of itachi, witch means in the way of akatsuki

Gerada-Hazze
July 21, 2007, 07:29 AM
Tobi is def not dead,hes stronger and hes just acting like hes weak,i think he is def strong probably at Sasukes level.

Just one thing about that - In last chapter didn't Pain said that Tobi was much weaker than Deidara? That's why i can't agree with Tobi's level predicted by You =) What is more - if Tobi really lacked power he can (unfortunatlly) be done for good...

I hope he will be ok after all, but when Sasori died I was dissapointed too that he was knocked Out in his 1st round... But I think, that if Tobi is really death for now - Kishi made a wise decision killing him - He would show this way to everyone that his "Naruto" is very unpredictable and there is no such a thing (maybe besides Naruto and Sasuke) as "he can't die now, because it is not time for him..." or something like that :p =)

Sarmad
July 21, 2007, 07:31 AM
First of all, this chapter was without a doubt AMAZING! It's really not necessary to say how great this chapter really is!

Well at i first thought that AL was that little short haired apprentice of Jiraiya since he always hung out with that mysterious women with a flower in her hair (she actually is really sexy ^^)!
But i was obviously wrong! Still i'm not giving up on the idea that the little boy from the past has some kind of relation to Akatsuki! It's probably a little far fetched but my best guess is that the little boy from the past is that mysterious person who orders the Akatsuki Leader "Paine". And since Paine seems not to be the "Big Boss" .. i'm guessing that the female Akatsuki isn't any other underling like Hidan or Deidara has been! She might be the person to control/observe the Leader and the rest, to make sure that they do their job! Hell there could be many more yet unknown person at the top of the list or even more "groups" or rather "cells" like Akatsuki. Everything is possible right now.
Kishimoto really saved the whole story by this Twist! The Narutoverse seemed to lose the feeling of being a "big world" [Like in Part1] and it became almost painful to see how that little Organization named Akatsuki could actually become the world's ruler. But this chapter changed everything! It's a revelation that freed the manga from its "chains of being kind of not authentic in its own logic" ^^
The Narutoverse became big again and it's just great! I hope that Kishi can handle the greatness he created XD !

theshizzle
July 21, 2007, 07:42 AM
I also want to point out that the conversation at the end of the chapter made it seem like Akatsuki will try to recruit Sauske..I hope we see Itachi vs. Sauske soon, maybe Sauske really is that strong. Orochimaru must have had Sauske on some kind of accelerated work out.

lordHokage
July 21, 2007, 07:48 AM
Sasuke is becoming more and more like Oro... sacrificing his men/Manda to accomplish his goals. In the end will he end up worse then his brother?

Unfortunately I agree with you. Summoning Manda and using genjutsu to control him was a huge mistake, Sasuke will regret it later on. :(



A great chapter indeed! A lot of revelations in this one.

Well, lastly, for Sasuke, here is my take. He is brilliant in this battle. His prowess, resourcefulness proved once again. He even didn't hesitate to use Manda in that huge escape. I wonder if he is really making a team of fighters or rather a team of shields for him :s

I do agree that this chapter was great indeed. I think a team of shields reflects Sasuke’s personal goals rather than a team of fighters. :blink

Takuto
July 21, 2007, 08:00 AM
Definently one of my fav chapters so far, i can't see Tobi dieing, he'll either come back in the next chapter looking battered and broken with no mask =p, or he'll come back in the later chapters and suprise us all.

Was suprised at the new leader in Akatsuki, looking at the spoilers i thought it was just a mistranslation or something, but gives us something to speculate about. I noticed he wasn't wearing an Akatsuki cloak which suprised me, he must not be with the organization directly but they seem to respect him enough to obey his orders.

walkie
July 21, 2007, 08:05 AM
Even if the new AL acts "dumb" when he shows up as Tobi why would he still act dumb when he's about to die with all those "Wha-" and "!!!"
Tobi being the new AL = lol

tobi knows zetsu is watching the battle, plus the self-destruction jutsu can be made once right?? i mean nobody did see that jutsu before..

tobi is the secret leader of aktsuki, this is what i came with, whether it is true or not just an idea, a theory anyway :)

but there is one thing for sure. the one at the end knows sasuke survived, knows sasuke eye has gotten stronger an even said his eyes will surpass itachi, meaning he also watched the battle or got all detail from zetsu....

midiman
July 21, 2007, 08:06 AM
I think when konoha arrives at the battle place they will know who deidara was fighting with becaus of that moter***** huge snake corpse that only orochimaru was able to summon.(and sasuke as orochis deciplis)

I think the man who commands akatsuki is likely a shinobi (because by saying :,,As the leader failure wont be tolerated" )with very great powers because he said it in a way where you believe pain would be punished (arms and legs torn up) if he fail in taking naruto.

I assume Tobi was able to escape that attack because of many reasons.
1.Not only tobi but sasuke too was there and survived the attack and tobi had even a greater distance to deidara.(sasuke - Deidara 3 meters)
2.Kisame seid that tobi was really good(fast) at running ^^
3. Would be waist of colour if tobi was just there to be tobi (doing nothing, Showing nothin)
4.Now more than ever i believe in the theory about Uchiha-kyubi from narutofan because of that new person that talks high about sasukes eyes.
5.Zetsu said that tobi "propably died" as he couldn't sense find him


All in all i liked this chapter because we were able to witness the relationships in akatsuki.
Leader really liked and respected deidara but hated tobi didn't respect him, Kisame liked tobi,Itachi hates Deidara and love sasuke and Zetsu worried about Tobi ^^ (Freak Famaly)
The only thing i didn't like was how sasuke escaped the explosion becaus he was drawn out and was able to summon.Well,forget it.

2ndKurono
July 21, 2007, 08:30 AM
I think when konoha arrives at the battle place they will know who deidara was fighting with becaus of that moter***** huge snake corpse that only orochimaru was able to summon.(and sasuke as orochis deciplis)

I think the ones who will come will Naruto,Yamato and Hinata,cause Naruto def knows Sasukes chakra and now is going after him,but i think he will let him go or defeats the entire Hebi team,but i dont think so,Sasuke will act "plz Naruto leave me,i have to do this" and he will let him be.

Oh and Sasuke could have used a less powerfull snake,cause he would have needed it in the future.

Oh and dont u think,that Jiraya gets info on Akatsuki,dont u think he may be getting it from Tobi.

Tias
July 21, 2007, 08:43 AM
I dont know, but i noticed soemthing, and guess some of you guys did to


The AL first says that sasuke died along with deidara and tobi, and all that.
but when he talsk to the guy in the shadows, it seems like he todl a lie, and knew sasuke was alive, how else could the guy in the shadow know sasuke would get greater eyes then itachi?

and is it just me, or did itachi maybe feel sad or soemthing when he heard his brother died to?

lordHokage
July 21, 2007, 08:49 AM
I assume Tobi was able to escape that attack because of many reasons. Zetsu said that tobi "propably died" as he couldn't sense find him

Leader really liked and respected deidara but hated tobi didn't respect him

I believe the reason why Zetsu and Karin couldn’t sense Tobi’s and Sasuke’s chakra, they were both in Manda’s body. So most likely Tobi is still there, he is not dead yet. Why would Pein not mourn for him? :p

For an evil doer, Pein definitely have a sincere heart. He is one interesting guy. :amuse

midiman
July 21, 2007, 08:49 AM
I think Itachi really feeled somehow sad about sasuke and that sasuke wasn't able to beat deidara (toooooo wweeaaakkkk)

Yes I wanted to post it I really tought "Why wouldn't AL tell the group that sasuke is still alive what is he planning to do with sasuke?" and " Could Tobi be alive ?" because if AL lies about sasukes death he could also lie about tobis death because (again ^^) Tobi is the real leader of AKatsuki ^^ <-(last one was a joke i dont believe it)

But also he didn't tell anyone to feel pissed because tobi died even when all of akatsuki did know that tobi and zetsu are like father and son ^^

2ndKurono
July 21, 2007, 08:52 AM
well it seems that dude in da shadows is an expert with sharingan,so it may definantly be Madara,and Itachi may have been sad,cause he knew that Sasuke didnt die and he knew that maybe Pein with higher ups wanted Sasuke and Itachi may have felt that he may be not needed anymore.Probably.

midiman
July 21, 2007, 08:53 AM
I believe the reason why Zetsu and Karin couldn’t sense Tobi’s and Sasuke’s chakra, they were both in Manda’s body. So most likely Tobi is still there, he is not dead yet. Why would Pein not mourn for him? :p

For an evil doer, Pein definitely have a sincere heart. He is one interesting guy. :amuse



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The most shocking thing would be when Hebi moves from that place away and exavtly when konoha enters the place tobi comes out of manda.

That would be too much to hold out ^^ (sneaked in while sasuke...


I already touhht about that and i really think kishi is gonna draw that because since some chapters he seem to have one sentence in mind " I can do whatever i want ! Got it you readers?" and it would be cool in some or another way^^

White Rabbit
July 21, 2007, 08:54 AM
Unfortunately I agree with you. Summoning Manda and using genjutsu to control him was a huge mistake, Sasuke will regret it later on. :(

what makes you think that sasuke will regret taking his (most likely) only chance to get out of this situation alive?

midiman
July 21, 2007, 09:01 AM
Unfortunately I agree with you. Summoning Manda and using genjutsu to control him was a huge mistake, Sasuke will regret it later on.



what makes you think that sasuke will regret taking his (most likely) only chance to get out of this situation alive?


I don't think Sasuke will regret doing it becaus if he didn't he would be dead and i don't think that he thinks of Manda/oro the same way as for team hebi. I mean he didn't like oros attitude and manda is worse and so by being happy for killing off oro he would be even more happy for killing off manda.

I know what lordH wanted to say but there is no way a ninja would use such a giant beast to fight another ninja and i have a theory that manda was that other thin sasuke had in mind to fight deida with

Iwanin
July 21, 2007, 09:17 AM
It's been ages since I've been excited by a Naruto chapter, so I think I'll share my thoughts here:

1. Tobi is definitely the "Shadow guy" or "Real AL". Almost no question in my mind. Here's why:

a. Kishi doesn't kill off characters without showing us their powers. It's against his policy. So it follows that Tobi's alive.

n. Pain asks "RAL" how Sasuke was. This means RAL witnessed Sasuke up close. Let us put two and two together.

2. RAL is the fabled Third Mangekyou Sharingan user. He has to, because he knows enough about Sharingan to compare Sasuke an Itachi's eyes. That he's interested in Sasuke's eyes would imply that his own are somehow defective. This will obviously fuel speculation that it's Obito...which I would have originally dismissed as fanboy bullshit, but who knows... At any rate, another possibility is Uchiha Madara, who would by logic be dead today, but wouldn't need to be if he indeed acquired some form of mastery over life and death.

3. It's not completely out of the question that Pain is The Fourth / and / or Naruto's Dad or both. He does look like a zombie, with the beads and the eyes and all. He was probably brought back to life as RAL's servant through some form of Edo Tensei. Remember that being brought back to life through Edo Tensei makes you a servant of whoever summoned you. Remember also that Orochimaru's Edo Tensei failed to bring back the Fourth. Now, until now, only two explanations could be brought up as to why. One is that The Third successfully interfered. The other is that his soul is bound to the Kyuubi's, and therefore unable to exit the netherealm. But the Kyuubi's soul is stuck inside Naruto, so that if the Fourth were bound to it, he would also be inside Naruto (and it could be assumed Naruto would have "heard" him already). Now a third possibility opens up: that the Fourth's soul had been extracted from the netherealm already.

4.The girl and Pain being the Fourth and Naruto's mom? Wouldn't rule it out. In fact, it might be true. They both look devoid of will. Edo Tensei at work, perhaps. I wouldn't look too deeply into the headband thing. It may well be that the girl was originally from hidden rain village and that they swapped headbands. I also wouldn't look too deeply into the fact that Pain's haircolor doesn't match the Fourth's - I mean, if you're trying to pretend you're not who you are, do you not dye your hair?

5.I mention RAL's eyes being defective somehow, and that this could mean it was Obito. However, I'm reluctant to go there, because it's stupid (but so are a lot of other things in the manga). More like he's over-used Mangekyou sharingan (remember that it damages your eyes). At any rate, he wants himself some Sharingan and that's probably the reason why Itachi refused to kill Kakashi: RAL wants the eyes (of course, if RAL's Obito he could also have ordered Itachi *not* to kill Kakashi, but like I said, it would be stupid so I wouldn't want to go there).

2ndKurono
July 21, 2007, 09:47 AM
^i think what u just said may be the truth,everything.And yeah another thing that he may be the 4rth is the hair style but ofcourse he died it but look at his neck it seems that it was riped and then suied back,that means when he sealed kyubi he lost some parts and someone brought him back.It may be posible.

grandweasel
July 21, 2007, 09:50 AM
Im really disliking the fact how sasuke is managing to defeat everybody...with naruto still a one trick pony...were is the story going? Akatsuki has been rather unimpressive...

2ndKurono
July 21, 2007, 09:53 AM
^kinda yeah but they were the wakest member after all,and the thing im curious right now,why do they need all the jinjurikis,to they think its a threat to it or they want the power of it.

theshizzle
July 21, 2007, 10:00 AM
yeah Tobi = RAL theory seems very plausible since RAL seems to know what was going on while the Akatsuki members didn't

lordHokage
July 21, 2007, 10:03 AM
I think Itachi really feeled somehow sad about sasuke and that sasuke wasn't able to beat deidara (toooooo wweeaaakkkk)

I think so too, he is very disappointed with Sasuke’s growth level. Also, when Akatsuki’s get a hold of the truth on how Sasuke defeated Orochimaru, his credibility will be questionable by Suigetsu, Naruto, Kakashi, Itachi, Pein, the Blue Hair, and the real Leader for sure. :blink



I already touhht about that and i really think kishi is gonna draw that because since some chapters he seem to have one sentence in mind " I can do whatever i want ! Got it you readers?" and it would be cool in some or another way^^

I think so too. Tobi’s character is funny and mysterious. :eyeroll



what makes you think that sasuke will regret taking his (most likely) only chance to get out of this situation alive?

Manda demands human sacrifices ready for him after combat. :p



I don't think Sasuke will regret doing it becaus if he didn't he would be dead and i don't think that he thinks of Manda/oro the same way as for team hebi. I mean he didn't like oros attitude and manda is worse and so by being happy for killing off oro he would be even more happy for killing off manda.

I know what lordH wanted to say but there is no way a ninja would use such a giant beast to fight another ninja and i have a theory that manda was that other thin sasuke had in mind to fight deida with

In theory, I believe you can not destroy your summoning contract. Do you remember the Sannin showdown? I do agree that Manda was that secret jutsu Sasuke was preparing to use on the late Deidara-senpai, and Naruto and co. :p

pcxxy
July 21, 2007, 10:28 AM
hahahahah i can't stop laughing at the chapter.

how else will the battle of a bomber end? it has got to be kamikaze! anyways, i didn't expect to see manda. kinda cool but it's also nice that Kishi didn't make Sasuke overpowering because he didn't let Sasuke directly beat him.

Too bad Tobi's gone. He was pretty funny.

=/

Juggernaut
July 21, 2007, 10:35 AM
I dont believe the RAL is Tobi. I think Tobi survived the explosion and will come out hating on deidara and akatsuki from trying to kill him. At some point he will probably find Konoha group or Hebi and tell them his new position.

As per the RAL... If you think about it he/she has to be someone of unreal power. The Al is a guy in his own right that can handle Itachi, Hidan, Kakuza, Deidara, Zetsu, Kisame, orochimaru, Tobi, Sasori and the blue haired chick without problem. I mean these are some of the baddest folk around and when he says jumps they stop whatever they are doing to ask how high.

Now the RAL has to be EVEN stronger than AL. Same situation here. He shows up and the blue haired chick and Pein drop whatever they are doing to rush over and take orders. So far we have only seen one person in the manga with that kind of power.... the 4th. I know it seems kinda played out but I've been thinking about it and it makes sense.

The other thing is Pein looks like an angry teenage punk rocker version of Naruto. I'm thinking they are brothers and the RAL is the daddy. Blue Haired chick is probably just some lady or the sister. who knows..

Sarmad
July 21, 2007, 10:46 AM
It's been ages since I've been excited by a Naruto chapter, so I think I'll share my thoughts here:

1. Tobi is definitely the "Shadow guy" or "Real AL". Almost no question in my mind. Here's why:

a. Kishi doesn't kill off characters without showing us their powers. It's against his policy. So it follows that Tobi's alive.

n. Pain asks "RAL" how Sasuke was. This means RAL whitnessed Sasuke up close. Let us put two and two together.

2. RAL is the fabled Third Mangekyou Sharingan user. He has to, because he knows enough about Sharingan to compare Sasuke an Itachi's eyes. That he's interested in Sasuke's eyes would imply that his own are somehow defective. This will obviously fuel speculation that it's Obito...which I would have originally dismissed as fanboy bullshit, but who knows... At any rate, another possibility is Uchiha Madara, who would by logic be dead today, but wouldn't need to be if he indeed acquired some form of mastery over life and [death.


Well i kinda like this Theory about Tobi being the RAL! There are some factors that would support this theory.

1. Tobi saw the fight
2. He's mysterious
3. And most important, HE KNOWS THAT SASUKE IS NOT DEAD! Zetsu said that Sasuke and Tobi are most likely gone and AL didn't correct him! But he and RAL already knew that just Deidara died by his own hands!

However, WHY would Tobi pretend to be "weak" or a funny guy? As RAL he wouldn't need to. He has got Akatsuki for the things he probably doesn't do and if he wants to catch a Jinchuriki, why not just doing it without "disguising" ??



----------------------------- AHH! And Please don't start a Yondaime is alive discussion here! Besides, it's like believing in the existence of Santa Clause ! ^^

saadku
July 21, 2007, 10:49 AM
pien is not the leader the guy in the shadow is the leader

NeoAltoX
July 21, 2007, 10:50 AM
No one has seemed to touch on this yet, but I think everyone should realize where Sasuke got the chakra to summon Manda. Orochimaru. Ever since he defeated him that have alluded the fact that Orochimaru's soul is in there somewhere. Maybe Oro has become a somewhat equivalent to Naruto's Kyuubi. Sasuke has him locked inside and calls on him for power or knowledge. But on the downside having Oro's chakra/essence inside of him will pollute his soul, thus making him more evil than akatsuki.

Sasuke knew he wasn't powerful enough to defeat Itachi, his one true goal. So he went to Oro, KNOWING that oro merely wanted to make sasuke a host. But he had 3 years to learn from oro as well as figure out how to counter the soul transfer that oro would use. And so sasuke played it smart, he brough the fight to oro when he was alone and vulnerable. And when oro went for the soul transfer sasuke was ready with a sharingan anti attack.

So sasuke defeated oro by being smart. But guys like oro just don't disappear.

He'll be back, and I'm sure it'll be a good moment. But now we get to watch Sasuke slip down the slippery slope.

Have a bit of faith.

Sentou Ryoku
July 21, 2007, 11:22 AM
It's too bad that Akatsuki aren't recruiting replacements. Wouldn't the sealing jutsu fail if there's only 5 of them now (6, if Tobi's still around)?

starfall856
July 21, 2007, 11:35 AM
Im guessing its not about the amount of people they have its about the amount of chakra its takes to seal the monsters in.
So the Akatsuki dont really need all those people they just got to give up loads more chakra to seal them.

And about what NeoAltoX said about Oro being sealed in Sasuke or something?
Did everybody forget about Kabuto, I mean i dont think a bunch of people can just split up Oro's soul or what ever it is, and use it at will
I think Orochimaru is alive in Kabuto, using his body to recreate his own while Kabuto doesn't know
And the thing with Sasuke is giving me a headache, All I know is he summoned Manda and Manda died, Woo! Party party

vinsanity
July 21, 2007, 12:05 PM
My thoughts for this chapter:

Tobi is alive;
AL(Pein) may have a blood connection with Naruto, brother? father? uncle(yondaime's brother)?;
For RAL, Tobi theory is not bad but i stick with him being uchiha madara because of the knowledge he has about the sharingan, easily saying that sasuke eyes will be greater than itachi eyes. i think madara still has much to give to this story, his name wasnt called in vain..

Now a big point in this chapter

Why didnt AL notice the other akatsuki members that Sasuke was still alive? I think its because, like we saw in the end of the chapter, the "RAL" ("" because this new guy said that Pein is their leader, so this guy is just like a shadow giving orders) want to use somehow Sasuke to get the Kyuubi. If the translation was correct why say "He's able to use the sharingan's ability more than enough" and "So he's ready?"

So i assume there will be a encounter between Pein and Sasuke soon..

Coup
July 21, 2007, 12:07 PM
Good chapter overall.

Gotta love the look of the BH woman. Just so dreadful with those eyes. They look holographic which would be nice:wtf . So what if sasuke lived and manda died. Sasuke is stronger than u guys give him credit for. That match could have been over before the whole 10km blast. No im not a sasuke fanboy. I would like to see what Itachi says/does next chapter after looking like he was mouring his lil bro reported "death". "Does anyone know what machine they are talking about and who got hi mind made up?"

midiman
July 21, 2007, 12:26 PM
Hey just now i have looked over the threads and a lot of people say that Akatsuki would need Sasuke(Sharingan) to extract the Kyubi out of naruto.

My Theory:

All jinchirucki are created by putting a biju in a human body (sealing).

Tough narutos Seal is a lil special i think.

It can only be resealed if naruto takes that sealpaper down from the cage of the kyubi.

Until now we have only seen sasuke enter that room to the kyubi (Could be because his sharingan is so strong)

Akatsuki needs Sasuke to take down the seal and let naruto go 9 tail, they beat him and seal him.
It could go this way...What da ya thin ?

lordHokage
July 21, 2007, 12:35 PM
I dont believe the RAL is Tobi. I think Tobi survived the explosion and will come out hating on deidara and akatsuki from trying to kill him. At some point he will probably find Konoha group or Hebi and tell them his new position.

As per the RAL... If you think about it he/she has to be someone of unreal power. The Al is a guy in his own right that can handle Itachi, Hidan, Kakuza, Deidara, Zetsu, Kisame, orochimaru, Tobi, Sasori and the blue haired chick without problem. I mean these are some of the baddest folk around and when he says jumps they stop whatever they are doing to ask how high.

Now the RAL has to be EVEN stronger than AL. Same situation here. He shows up and the blue haired chick and Pein drop whatever they are doing to rush over and take orders. So far we have only seen one person in the manga with that kind of power.... the 4th. I know it seems kinda played out but I've been thinking about it and it makes sense.

The other thing is Pein looks like an angry teenage punk rocker version of Naruto. I'm thinking they are brothers and the RAL is the daddy. Blue Haired chick is probably just some lady or the sister. who knows..

I completely agree with you that real Akatsuki Leader is not Tobi, Zetsu said that he is relatively young. The real Akatsuki Leader in my opinion is someone who is much older, wiser and stronger than Pein. So far we have only seen one well versatile skill Shinobi in the manga that is the Fourth Hokage. I think Pein and the Blue Haired lady maybe younger than Kakashi or Iruka Umino and they are Naruto siblings and their daddy is the real Leader. :eyeroll



No one has seemed to touch on this yet, but I think everyone should realize where Sasuke got the chakra to summon Manda. Orochimaru. Ever since he defeated him that have alluded the fact that Orochimaru's soul is in there somewhere. Maybe Oro has become a somewhat equivalent to Naruto's Kyuubi. Sasuke has him locked inside and calls on him for power or knowledge. But on the downside having Oro's chakra/essence inside of him will pollute his soul, thus making him more evil than akatsuki.

Sasuke knew he wasn't powerful enough to defeat Itachi, his one true goal. So he went to Oro, KNOWING that oro merely wanted to make sasuke a host. But he had 3 years to learn from oro as well as figure out how to counter the soul transfer that oro would use. And so sasuke played it smart, he brough the fight to oro when he was alone and vulnerable. And when oro went for the soul transfer sasuke was ready with a sharingan anti attack.

So sasuke defeated oro by being smart. But guys like oro just don't disappear.

He'll be back, and I'm sure it'll be a good moment. But now we get to watch Sasuke slip down the slippery slope.

Have a bit of faith.

I completely agree with you too. Sasuke summoning Manda with no chakra is unbelievable. Once again, Orochimaru will resurface when the time is right. Until then we get to watch Sasuke slowly slip down this evil slippery slope. :D

MangaUploader78
July 21, 2007, 12:37 PM
Nope. I Believe none of that is right. they want sasuke an itachi to take out each other because itachi is to strong. an the less people means the less people to share with


there is no RAL. An the Woman is just Pein's Wife. the Man is probably some Filthy Rich man that thought this whole sceme up. an sense he isnt a ninja he hired the strongest ninja he has heard of. i believe Pein is the 8th Jinruuriki. thats why they cant find him. so if or when they catch naruto. they will extract the 8 tails from him. an bring him back to life like gaara.cause all Jinniriki's have wierd eyes or marks on them. his happen to be eyes.thats the best guess. NO Madara No 4th Hokage. no obito. i think thats why Kishi killed obito off. cause he was tired of the obito=tobi stuff. so he said F*** it an killed him off.

kadoman
July 21, 2007, 12:54 PM
Wow, what a chapter! Overall, it was highly enjoyable but there are some things I have to nit pick over:

AL's appearance. Either he's a relative of Naruto's or Kishi is running out of character designs. He'd better darn well be Naruto's long lost brother or something because he looks too remarkably similar. On the other hand, I love his many piercings etc. He looks slightly punkish.

Sasuke's summoning of Manda: C'mon Kishi, what do you take us for? He's seemingly used all the chakra under the sun, he can barely draw breath let alone stand and yet he has chakra enough to summon the likes of Oro's great serpent? Well, I guess there was no other way out of that corner, but I wish Kishi had thought it through a bit more before he wrote himself into it. It just means that I don't take Sasuke's miraculous survival as seriously as I should.

As for comments on Itachi: I agree that he certainly looked less than thrilled at the prospect of Sasuke's death. That is something to think about. I'm actually beginning to wonder if all the crazy Itachi-isn't-the-bad-guy theorists have something there. But it's still early days and I won't change my stance on Itachi just yet.

Overall, action packed, dramatic chapter that kept me on the edge all the way to the last page - if only Kishi would put some more thought into plotting.

R.I.P Deidara :( :love

Sentou Ryoku
July 21, 2007, 01:01 PM
I noticed Team 8 doing nothing again in this chap. It's beginning to look more likely that they're not going to get to do anything in this arc aside from "just being there". Here's betting that Naruto and company head home in the next 2 chapters =)

theshizzle
July 21, 2007, 01:03 PM
Well NeoAltoX is right when it comes to Oro who is technically not dead.. that chapter when sauske 'killed off oro' sauske said he has taken over so Oro is still alive somewhere..

As for Kabuto, he just took some bloody body pieces of Oro and put it in his body...

even though Mangauploader basically guaranteed his fake spoiler to be true and i disagree about the 8 tails being in sauske thing, he makes a good point that the RAL might just be some filthy rich guy like the Gato character in the Wave Country Arc. Akatsuki did say they needed lots of money..It would be too obvious to have some more powerful super beasty dude but who knows..

And it seems in the mind of many fans the 4th Hokage is still alive somewhere, LOL!!! I just dont understand why someone as pure hearted (as EVERYONE in Konoha says) would be part of a sinister organization. I mean the Hokages are supposed to die protecting Konoha which is what the 4th did. Why would someone who risked his life to save a village, 15 years later want to destroy it?? It was stated that the 4th was dead in the beginning of Naruto, it showed the 3rd dying doing the same technique the 4th used to be dead.

xi0
July 21, 2007, 01:27 PM
Sandaime's technique wasn't the same. Sandaime used it to try to seal Oro inside of him, and only partially succeeded. On the other hand, Yondaime used it to seal a Bijuu in someone other than him. Big difference there.

Decorus
July 21, 2007, 02:41 PM
We don't know if Yondaime sealed Naruto in someone else or in himself. Either could be true. The Akatsuki are looking for new members to replace the ones they have lost. After all is said and done Sasuke lost to Deidara proving while he might be stronger he is not godly. Deidara inflicted serious injuries on Sasuke and killed Manda while Sasuke failed to remotely come close to his goals in the fight and if not for Plot no Jutsu Sasuke would be a splatter in the crater of the explosion.

anrufen
July 21, 2007, 02:59 PM
Sasuke wasnt Willing to Kill from the start of the the fight!!!! He just wanted info./....Deidara wanted to win....He didnt.....How does that prove Deidara Came close to HIS goal??? Which was originally to Kill Sasuke and Not himself....His goal wasnt to put up a Good fight!!!! Anyhow, I dont think Pein and Naruto are Related.....Kishimoto is just runnin out of Character designs....>Who knows, This guyz Hair might Turn Out to be Red.....Instead of Yellow!!!
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What if, the Unkown Member is the Root Leader Danzou.....Nah too far fetched....It has to be someone else all together!!!

theshizzle
July 21, 2007, 03:21 PM
Sandaime's technique wasn't the same. Sandaime used it to try to seal Oro inside of him, and only partially succeeded. On the other hand, Yondaime used it to seal a Bijuu in someone other than him. Big difference there.

Big difference? unless i ve been smoking too much pot the techniques had the same name, the differences were that the 3rd was weaker, half dead, old and didn't have enough time to look for another body to seal. besides are you trying to say the 4th is still alive?? my point was that either/or, the 4th is dead.



RAL could be Danzo, it has been a while since we heard from him, but the RAL sounded like he had front row seats to the Sauske/Deidara fight.

jaylegend03
July 21, 2007, 03:44 PM
As far Sasuke having enough chakra to summon Manda and use a genjutsu. When the 3 sannin fought summoning was relatively easy for each of them. Secondly I dont think Sasuke having problems getting up was a chakra issue. 1.) He fell a long way after he escaped the C4, mind you after that fall although Deidara still had chakra left he was physically hurt and couldnt stand 2.) He ran the electrical current from Chidori though his own body which which would have to leave a slight numb/paralyze effect, 3.) Deidara was the only person saying sasuke was low on chakra yet Sasuke was still using chidori techniques with ease. Also using genjutsu and hypnosis through sharingan doesnt seem to use much chakra for Uchihas.

The new mystery person is hard to guess. It's obvious he knows Sasuke survived so he had to be there in one way or another which would make sense for it to be Tobi, but wouldnt considering how Pein just dismissed the thought of carrying of Tobi died. On the other hand considering Tobi hasnt been shown to take damage and its unknown if hes even human, he could be a tool, technique or subordinate of this mystery dude relaying information which would also explain why Pein didnt care of his death. This new persons interest in the Sharingan would likely tie to Orichimaru ( "his eyes will be greater then itachis" is something oro has said a few times), Obito (hes likely dead, but if not could be that "other mangekyou sharingan user" mentioned by Itachi), Uchiha Madara (im sure he was mentioned for a reason, again could be that "other Mangekyou user"), or whoever this "other mangekyou user" is. The Danzo theory would work as well but I dont have much to try and tie in.

This is in relation to last weeks and this weeks chapter in regards to Sasukes "other" option. I dont want it to be the case but he could have Mangekyou Sharingan, hear me out. 1.) Since Kakashis acquisition of it we really arent sure as to all the ways of acquiring it, 2.) Sasukes knows very well what Itachi is capable of with it and considering his growth and calmness when talking about his brother im sure hes not willing to rush into battle with him without a solution to it, 3.) Just because he has doesnt mean he has to use it, Kakashi had that battle with Kakuzu and was using alot of large chakra consuming attacks and fatigued yet he stated himsef that if Naruto and gang had not shown up when they did he wouldve had to use his Magekyou Sharingan. Coming from someone he drains chakra so quickley while using the Sharingan that says alot, which also backs up Sasuske having a logical amount of chakra in his battle with Deidara.


Nope. I Believe none of that is right. they want sasuke an itachi to take out each other because itachi is to strong. an the less people means the less people to share with


there is no RAL. An the Woman is just Pein's Wife. the Man is probably some Filthy Rich man that thought this whole sceme up. an sense he isnt a ninja he hired the strongest ninja he has heard of. i believe Pein is the 8th Jinruuriki. thats why they cant find him. so if or when they catch naruto. they will extract the 8 tails from him. an bring him back to life like gaara.cause all Jinniriki's have wierd eyes or marks on them. his happen to be eyes.thats the best guess. NO Madara No 4th Hokage. no obito. i think thats why Kishi killed obito off. cause he was tired of the obito=tobi stuff. so he said F*** it an killed him off.

"I Believe none of that is right. they want sasuke an itachi to take out each other because itachi is to strong. an the less people means the less people to share with"
What? At what point did Pein ever mention having a problem with Itachi? Also why would he allow Deidara to go after Sasuke if he wants him and Itachi to kill each other? Also he needs a group of strong ninjas to take over the world, afterall he showed dissatisfaction with the loss of Deidara why would he want to lose his members? That makes no sense

"An the Woman is just Pein's Wife. the Man is probably some Filthy Rich man that thought this whole sceme up. an sense he isnt a ninja he hired the strongest ninja he has heard of"
Other then Akatsuki members travel in groups of two we have no info of their relation. Are you referring to the unknown man? If so it makes sense that he hired them and it is possible that hes not a ninja, though it wouldnt be probable with the knowledge he has of a hidden village ninja clan and their bloodline capabilities and potential

"i believe Pein is the 8th Jinruuriki. thats why they cant find him. so if or when they catch naruto. they will extract the 8 tails from him. an bring him back to life like gaara.cause all Jinniriki's have wierd eyes or marks on them. his happen to be eyes.thats the best guess"
That just makes no sense at all. A group that has been huntin Jinchuuriki cannot find one that has been standing next to them? IF that was true then how would they make plans to take the jinchuuriki and resurrect her? Shes a jinchuuriki because of the way her eyes look?

"I think "
Thats where you should stop, thinking is not helping you. Your posts and predictions are never right and rarely worth reading

gold349
July 21, 2007, 04:23 PM
Al = Pain, am i getting this wrong didn't Akatksi girl call him by that name? and the jist i'm getting from the last chapter is that Saske is as important to their goal and has always been a goal, as there was comments of him being a rippened machine now who ever it was (Uchiha Madra maybe) has knoledge of sharingan and its capability the unnown person felt really good about the sharingan and how well it worked for saske

Toad Sage
July 21, 2007, 04:24 PM
Sasuke's summoning of Manda: C'mon Kishi, what do you take us for? He's seemingly used all the chakra under the sun, he can barely draw breath let alone stand and yet he has chakra enough to summon the likes of Oro's great serpent? Well, I guess there was no other way out of that corner, but I wish Kishi had thought it through a bit more before he wrote himself into it. It just means that I don't take Sasuke's miraculous survival as seriously as I should.


Lovely post, Kadoman. I won't write about my own thoughts as they would be more or less the same as your's, except on the one point I am directly quoting here. I just wanted to say that although from a technical standpoint Sasuke's level of chakara seemed too little to summon Manda, I think it's important that we keep the heroic/storytelling dimension of the tale in mind. What I mean by this is that as a story we want to see the characters perform incredible feats, do the impossible, and generally be something greater than the average citizen in the story's particular setting. I think allowing Sasuke to accomplish the manda summoning emphasizes that perspective, and for that reason, I was really happy that he did. Indeed, getting too caught up in pre-conceived notions of the world's technical details can potentially rob one of their enjoyment of the story's spirit. Too point out a precedent, it reminded me somewhat of when Naruto summoned Gamabunta in the Gaara battle with little or no chakara left. That was a rad moment, and I think Sasuke saving himself in this manner was the same. I only wish we had actually seen it first hand, as it would have been even more dramatic/ingenuitive.

Also, even though I said I wouldn't repeat your points, I'm really happy to see that Itachi was emotionally affected by Sasuke's death. I think that display of emotion goes a long way to confirm a lot of ideas about the exact nature of their relationship, such as Itachi keeping Sasuke alive to avenge the Uchiha clan, or simply that he loved him above all others. Good stuff. Great chapter.

renrutal
July 21, 2007, 04:27 PM
Suigetsu summoned Manda using a scroll and, probably, Sasuke's blood. While I'm pretty certain he has enough chakra to do the job, I'd say most of the energy consuming work was done by the scroll.

Since Sasuke has a summoning tattoo with the same seal marks, this can be the reason why he could summon Manda with barely no chakra. Second, the sharingan might help Sasuke to do genjutsu effortlessly.

I'm more impressed about Sasuke getting the basics of Hiraishin no Jutsu, which is pretty much the same type time-space teleportation done in Summoning no Jutsu, but inversed.

In other new, now the Orochimaru fanboys can rejoice with the official news: The sannin was defeated only because was very weak at the time.

Finally we get to see Akatsuki Goth Duo in action!

C4animax
July 21, 2007, 04:35 PM
I don't wont to diseapoint you guys, but seems to me that uchiha mandara is long long gone, he fought with the first hokage of konoha and would still be alive?...And what if? Well what if the one on the shadow was uchiha manda, as part of the uchiha clan wouldn't he prefere dealing with itachi since he also is from that clan and pushed sasuke to get "ms" (i don't say he has)...why would he talk about the sharingan being better than itachi's ones ?

Akatsuki leader name is pein (spelling) not the women...

And i truly believe that tobi isn't dead, i'd even go to say that he's a spy from jiraya ( lol...) whatever happens to him, he'll re-apear! The dude is just too cool to be killed like this, if he's dead then as someone said kishi is speeding up the story to its end...

ps : Manda is dead, i just can't accept that :(.


edit : Oh yeah, and people saying the exact position of the "real leader", please, he has been put in black for a reason....

gold349
July 21, 2007, 04:38 PM
we have been shown the two missing Akatksi's, there is much speculation of who the mystrious person could be, just like all the guessing on Pain(Al). there are still people trying to work out identaty of certain individuals, there is one other person in the picture with jariya(the picture with jaria the woman and another unknown nin), i was looking through the data book (nmr) and the person that closley resembles that unknown nin with jaria is CHouji without hair, they have the same facial structure, eye shape but the person in the picture has shaven head.

Sentou Ryoku
July 21, 2007, 05:09 PM
ps : Manda is dead, i just can't accept that

Kishimoto should've kiled Katsuyu instead. Damn slug...

MangaUploader78
July 21, 2007, 05:44 PM
Actually i just learned that Sasuke did not preform the space-time technique himself, he summoned Manda, did the Genjutsu, got in the mouth, went with Manda to his dimension after the blast, Suigetsu summons's manda back and Sasuke pops out badly hurt. Makes more sense than Sasuke doin it all by himself which was what i thought.

Elldar
July 21, 2007, 05:58 PM
Quote from the last square from itsumobasho translation: "WE don't allow failure from the leader". We? This would mean that the shadow guy probably is just a messenger for that group rather than its leader. Even the phrase is so off if it would had been spoken from a Shinobi(grammar?), from "analyzing" the phrase I can more put the words in the mouth of some wealthy politician than a shinobi.

Ps. about Naruto being related to Pein is so freaking lame! He can't be the father, cuz he would had been like 12 when Naruto was born. 2) He can't been narutos brother since they are from different villages!

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Pps. u ask urself how Sasuke had enough chakra to pull off a summoning of manda and do a genjutsu on manda. But why doesn't u ask urself how Deidara could mould enough chakra to create that enormous, out of porportioness; explosion!!!!
Deidara could mould massive amount of chakra but Sasuke couldn't???
Hmm...

bennibb
July 21, 2007, 06:13 PM
Sorry but i cannot accept Sasukes escape here... I posted earlyer about this... But you see the timeline here Sasuke looks stunned AS the expltion goes off... Giving him under 0,05 sec before hes hit (This is how fast a granade goes off after ignition) And in that time he summons manda with no chacra and enslaves him and jump into his mouth then dismisses to Snake land... that was in less then 1 sec. And for those who said Sasuke never was out of chacra?? reread lest chapter. He collaps after the last chidori and he cant hold on Sharingan any more witch Kakashi has explaind SOO long ago (Training for the Gaara fight) that Sharingan + Jutsu takes to much chacra. Thats all there is to it. He couldnt have done it due to chacra or due to time

AxelCross
July 21, 2007, 06:42 PM
I'd like all of you that are still saying that BL is Pein to listen to what I have to say. First, this isn't hard, full proof, but it's damned close, and the evidence is overwhelming. Look at when the shadow calls Pein, the Akatsuki Leader walks up first, is clearly the only one speaking with the shadow, and is the one being spoken to. The BL never even speaks. So, I ask, those of you who think this, why would the shadow call to BL and her stand behind the Akatsuki Leader, while the shadow, clearly, speaks to the Akatsuki Leader.

Point being, Pein is the Akatsuki Leader. From what I see, there is absolutely no evidence pointing to the fact that Pein is BL. BL is BL until we get a name. I'd also like to add that you don't need a complete translation for this, the name and images alone are good enough, Pein is speaking with the shadow, the shadow is speaking with Pein, BL is in the background and says nothing. I hope this ends this little trifle.


Sorry but i cannot accept Sasukes escape here... I posted earlyer about this... But you see the timeline here Sasuke looks stunned AS the expltion goes off... Giving him under 0,05 sec before hes hit (This is how fast a granade goes off after ignition) And in that time he summons manda with no chacra and enslaves him and jump into his mouth then dismisses to Snake land... that was in less then 1 sec. And for those who said Sasuke never was out of chacra?? reread lest chapter. He collaps after the last chidori and he cant hold on Sharingan any more witch Kakashi has explaind SOO long ago (Training for the Gaara fight) that Sharingan + Jutsu takes to much chacra. Thats all there is to it. He couldnt have done it due to chacra or due to time

You're assuming far too much here. First, a grenade exploding and an explosion from Deidara, a self-destruction coming from a concentrated core (second to last panel in the last chapter) are two completely different things. That's like comparing a nuclear bomb going off and a sparkler going being burnt, then comparing the times. Show me a grenade that has an end explosion that is that large and I'll give you the world.

Next, who says that Sasuke ran out of chakra completely? He never said anything about turning his Sharingan off. People ignorantly assumed that he was either out of chakra, or did it to piss Deidara off to make him seem inferior. Going off of this recent chapter, I now think that Sasuke turned it off to consume chakra, neither of the above. That said, we don't know his exact amount, nor do we know the exact amount it takes to summon. So, in the end, we will never know, but one thing is for sure, it's not as far fetched as people are making it out to be. As much as some "experts" believe themselves to be, none of us here can calculate how much time was between Sasuke summoning and the explosion hitting, so don't try, it's foolhardy.

Toad Sage
July 21, 2007, 07:29 PM
On wikipedia the Akastuki leader is now listed as "Pein" whereas the blue lady is listed as the "unnamed member." Hopefully for those of you who trust wikipedia this will help to clarify the issue (I know I was confused, in no small part because of the early spoiler translations which said Pein was the blue lady.)

Also, does anyone else think it is important that Pein is trying to deceive Itachi into believing Sasuke is dead? After Pein cut his mind link to the summoning chamber, he discusses the fact Sasuke is alive, more or less, with the New AL (hereafter NAL?)

Additionally, it is unclear if Zetsu is aware of this deception. Zetsu was always worked alone, and now he is suddenly privy to insider information! Supposing he is involved in some insider plot with Pein and the BL, maybe he is also contributing to a ruse that Tobi is dead. If we further suppose (this is a lot now) that Tobi actually is Obito, this could represent an overall plan to divide and conquer sharingan users? I mean, the NAL definitely seems interested in Sasuke's abilities, and we are already familiar with how Itachi's abilities are prized amongst the upper echeolon of ninja. Maybe Tobi is a piece in this puzzle as well if he really is a sharingan user...

starfall856
July 21, 2007, 07:44 PM
Actually i just learned that Sasuke did not preform the space-time technique himself, he summoned Manda, did the Genjutsu, got in the mouth, went with Manda to his dimension after the blast, Suigetsu summons's manda back and Sasuke pops out badly hurt. Makes more sense than Sasuke doin it all by himself which was what i thought.

FINALLY SOMEONE EXPLAINS IT RIGHT!
Thanks!

About the Akatsuki, I dont think there is a new Akatsuki leader I think he has been running the show the whole time, he seems to be able to control Pein...
I think the RAL is interested in getting a powerful Sharingan, whether he wants it personally, or he needs it to finish what the Akatsuki started, I dont know. but Im thinking he either has a damaged Sharingan and wants a better one, or he's weird like Oro and thinks Sharingan kicks every bodies butts
I dont think Zestu is in on the RAL, I think he really believes Tobi is dead, but remember how he survived getting cut in half by Sasuke? I dont think Tobi's going that easily

Iwanin
July 21, 2007, 08:12 PM
Quote from the last square from itsumobasho translation: "WE don't allow failure from the leader". We? This would mean that the shadow guy probably is just a messenger for that group rather than its leader. Even the phrase is so off if it would had been spoken from a Shinobi(grammar?), from "analyzing" the phrase I can more put the words in the mouth of some wealthy politician than a shinobi.


The translation's wrong. See NJT's translation post Iwanin-fixes. :p

theshizzle
July 21, 2007, 08:30 PM
You're assuming far too much here. First, a grenade exploding and an explosion from Deidara, a self-destruction coming from a concentrated core (second to last panel in the last chapter) are two completely different things. That's like comparing a nuclear bomb going off and a sparkler going being burnt, then comparing the times. Show me a grenade that has an end explosion that is that large and I'll give you the world.

Next, who says that Sasuke ran out of chakra completely? He never said anything about turning his Sharingan off. People ignorantly assumed that he was either out of chakra, or did it to piss Deidara off to make him seem inferior. Going off of this recent chapter, I now think that Sasuke turned it off to consume chakra, neither of the above. That said, we don't know his exact amount, nor do we know the exact amount it takes to summon. So, in the end, we will never know, but one thing is for sure, it's not as far fetched as people are making it out to be. As much as some "experts" believe themselves to be, none of us here can calculate how much time was between Sasuke summoning and the explosion hitting, so don't try, it's foolhardy.


Well the quote you were responding made a good point. Deidara was in the process of blowing up, it seems a lot to do to summon manda, apply genjutsu to a huge creature, not knowing if it will even work and escape the cluthes of death via a huge explosion and make it out a live. i know he was partly caught in the blast put how much and how quick?
I am sure it will explain everything in the next chapter though...

NeoAltoX
July 21, 2007, 09:18 PM
I don't think Kabuto has any of orochimaru's soul at all. Remember, Kabuto has always had something...wrong with him. Remember his eyes turning red and what not? So my prediction is kabuto (already being crazy, just surpressed) comes across his dear Orochimaru's body. His soul already trapped in Sasuke, he flips out (as crazy people do) and starts thinking...how do I bring my dear Oro-chan back! So Kabuto using his very impressive medical skills grafts oro onto him.

Now if you think about back during the chunnin exam, we saw how they attempted to abduct Hinata to get the secrets of Byakkugan. Thus showing that justu can be ripped from an unwilling host. Orochimaru tells you how he harvested dna from the first two hokage's and put it in kids. And we see that it was a success with Yamato, so that shows that dead bodies still carry justsu/bloodline with them.

So to make a long story short, sasuke has his soul and chakra, kabuto has his justsu/bloodline.



Sasuke summoning manda isn't hard to believe. The real reason why Naruto had to use kyuubi chakra to summon gamabunta WASN'T because it took alot of chakra. Though it does, the real reason is that Naruto is inefficent at using chakra. Remember that chart from back when? Naruto waste almost half his chakra when he uses it. And we have seen that Sasuke is good at chakra control. So summoning manda isn't really that hard to imagine.

The main reason why more characters don't have high lvl summons is that they have there own mind. If the summon doesn't like you, they can and will reject you. You have to EARN there trust and help thus making it an exclusive club.

Once upon a time Kakashi commented that the new generation of ninja were quickly surpassing the old. And we are now seeing the fruits of his statement.

Sasuke didn't talk to manda. He force summoned him, then genjustsu'd him. And we've seen that Rank S genjustu/sharingan happens so fast the victim has no idea that he's in it. But we say that sasuke was badly hurt which means he still caught some of the blast. So really it wasn't that great because he was hurt AND didn't have the energy to unsummon himself.

ArashiKazamaThe4th
July 21, 2007, 10:45 PM
wheee sasuke is not dead like the statue sad he putted manda or something like that under a genjutsu spell and escped inside manda hes really soooo cool and btw is that dude pein the akatsuki leader can some1 please tell me

kakashi1027
July 21, 2007, 10:48 PM
I think that the guy controling AL is Tobi because i think only pein and the woman know about him and that he was the only person watching them fight so far and can rate sasuke's sharigan abilities!

Gold Knight
July 22, 2007, 01:27 AM
I happen to enjoy Pein's character design; though I do agree that he looks like Naruto, I think it was intentional. He's definitely meant to be the next great personal antagonist for Naruto, just as Itachi is to Sasuke, and it's about time he came out of the shadows. I believe Kishimoto made Pein resemble Naruto because he will be a "dark reflection" of himself, perhaps Naruto as he COULD have been, if he had a darker personality. We'll see.

But I have to say, it was very ingenious of Kishimoto to pull Pein and his blue-haired friend out of the shadows at this critical juncture of the series, because Deidara was a highly popular character and there HAD to be something to fill the void that he left behind. Especially after the poor writing that led to Deidara's death in the last four chapters.

That battle which started off so promisingly turned out to, in my opinion, the worst written fight in the ENTIRE series.

Way to go, Dei, in letting Sasuke analyze all your moves, all your jutsus, to the point where you stood about as much chance of getting out of that fight alive as Kakuzu did jumping right into Naruto's Rasenshuriken.

And especially mortifying was the fact that Tobi did indeed prove to be completely ineffective in that battle. He HAD to become Akatsuki for a reason; but it sure didn't look like he was at all very good support for Deidara, especially at the end of that battle, when he would have been particularly useful in taking out Sasuke for a worn-out Dei.

Just bad writing all around. The art's the only thing that's keeping me reading at this point, that and finding out what the hell is going to happen next now. At this point it seems almost like the Akatsuki has Sasuke as a goal, too, not just Naruto! What the---?

(I think it's probably become apparent now why I HAVEN'T gone back to weekly reviews of Naruto. I haven't really been enjoying it lately.)

gift_art
July 22, 2007, 02:06 AM
Nice trick, poor Manda. Sasuke already prepared for this, it is the 'other' technique that he partially revealed as the plan B to Deidara earlier in the fighting series (360 or 361). That's why Suigetsu immediately grabbed Manda summoning scroll just as he saw the final blow. What I don't understand is that if the Chidori couldn't stop Deidara's bomb from the beginning, how would Suigetsu notice that Sasuke is already in the World of Summon? Since from all the explosion, only the final blast was being noticed. So the only acceptable strategy for me to answer that question is that this is a 3 person strategy that is really well-thinked by Kishimoto:

1. Sasuke summoned Mandra, genjutsu it, entered his body, and make it think to go back to World of Summon immediately after Deidara exploded.
2. Karin needed to sense that Sasuke's chakra is gone, which mean that he already transferred to WoS.
3. She then need to inform/suggest Suigetsu that now is the time!! Suigetsu then need to perform as needed.

However, it would be still more logical to have Karin summon Manda, since she is the only one in the team capable of sensing the alarm from Sasuke. But I just leave it as it is since I'm still having fun reading.

The mysterious Akatsuki should be Tobi as he's the only one watching Deidara and Sasuke fight. Now he understand the power of Sas Sharingan. That also explain why he was just watching and didn't help Dei. Eventhough if Tobi is the Akatsuki most top leader, it just little bit weird judging that he joined the Akatsuki quite late after the death of the Akatsuki puppet master. It should be fun though for the final match to be Naruto + Sasuke + Sakura vs Tobi.

ornis
July 22, 2007, 02:34 AM
I can't hold this in: What Sasuke just performed was a deus ex machina thanks to Kishimoto (he went through a plot device that let him survive) and props to the Uchiha for quick reflexes. He uses what's prepared (snake summon-seal on left arm) to escape what's abrupt or rather a surprising encounter---like a self-destructing S-rank nin of Akatsuki.

Anyway, here's why Sasuke was pretty desperate (of course) and insane to do this:


...he summed Manda (a quick bite of the finger and smudging the tattoo). Once summoned, he put Manda in a genjutsu, he then walked into Manda's mouth to be protected from the huge blast, Manda then took the blast.

After the initial blast, Manda realized what was happening and clearly got his snaky ass out of there, transporting both Sasuke and Manda back to the world of summons/animal familiars. Suigetsu saw that Manda was dying by the fading of the snake symbol on the scroll, so he quickly summoned Manda...

Okay. I know that Sasuke some how removed himself from Deidara's blast area. AxelCross "says" that Manda initiated this jump. Manda was under Sasuke's genjutsu, though---so, technically, Manda's reaction would be to jump while in the genjutsu--- he’d act anyway Sasuke dictates. Sasuke commands were to go, and Manda obeys. Otherwise, Sasuke cancels the summon (or manipulates the kuchiyose) and distorts his dimensional relevance with Manda's by crossing them---when he enters as a summoner into a summoned beast, two aspects of different dimensions entwine, and if Sasuke ends the summon Sasuke would take himself as an aspect of Naruto nin-world into Manda's beast-world, as if causing part of nin-world to be summoned in Manda's dimension.


Over that, slightly, I know can examine that Manda takes the incredible amount of damage he faced in Sasuke's space to another position, and if the snake reverted back to its space, there's a problem. Seeing that its injuries were fatal, I wonder why Sasuke would risk a space-time warp that is "restored" by a fellow teammate who only happened to be unoccupied at the moment of Sasuke's emergency. Suigetsu may not be the only one with a Kuchiyose scroll but it sure felt like he was the only thread of dumbfounding hope… If he couldn't summon Manda in time---before the wounds slew the beast if the fading snake image on the scroll stood for that----how would Sasuke get back (can you summon a beast that's dead?) and how would he survive the world Manda comes from? Sharingan? Um, when can he actually die?

Simply, Sasuke doesn't seem too bright here, just lucky to me.


//Oh! And this is a scenario based speculation because Manda could've come from another dimension besides its regular domain//

Toad Sage
July 22, 2007, 03:11 AM
I happen to enjoy Pein's character design; though I do agree that he looks like Naruto, I think it was intentional. He's definitely meant to be the next great personal antagonist for Naruto, just as Itachi is to Sasuke, and it's about time he came out of the shadows. I believe Kishimoto made Pein resemble Naruto because he will be a "dark reflection" of himself, perhaps Naruto as he COULD have been, if he had a darker personality. We'll see.

But I have to say, it was very ingenious of Kishimoto to pull Pein and his blue-haired friend out of the shadows at this critical juncture of the series, because Deidara was a highly popular character and there HAD to be something to fill the void that he left behind. Especially after the poor writing that led to Deidara's death in the last four chapters.

That battle which started off so promisingly turned out to, in my opinion, the worst written fight in the ENTIRE series.

Way to go, Dei, in letting Sasuke analyze all your moves, all your jutsus, to the point where you stood about as much chance of getting out of that fight alive as Kakuzu did jumping right into Naruto's Rasenshuriken.

And especially mortifying was the fact that Tobi did indeed prove to be completely ineffective in that battle. He HAD to become Akatsuki for a reason; but it sure didn't look like he was at all very good support for Deidara, especially at the end of that battle, when he would have been particularly useful in taking out Sasuke for a worn-out Dei.

Just bad writing all around. The art's the only thing that's keeping me reading at this point, that and finding out what the hell is going to happen next now. At this point it seems almost like the Akatsuki has Sasuke as a goal, too, not just Naruto! What the---?

(I think it's probably become apparent now why I HAVEN'T gone back to weekly reviews of Naruto. I haven't really been enjoying it lately.)

I let a few post bumps slip through the cracks occassionally as a global, so I think I'm going to take advantage of that for myself to bump this post with a resounding "RIGHT ON!" Your line about Kakuzu jumping into the rasengan is cracking me up even now :)

I think you have a great point about why Pein was revealed, because for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the hell Kishi chose now of all times to suddenly out a guy who had been propelling the series merely by remaining unidentified. But alas now there is yet another unidentified Akatuski leader ready to keep the newly revealed one's "I'm mysterious" seat warm :P And so it goes with Naruto...

Maxell
July 22, 2007, 04:58 AM
This chapter was very good. The best for a long time! I liked it and it seem you did too :)


I think the man who commands akatsuki is likely a shinobi (because by saying :,,As the leader failure wont be tolerated" )with very great powers because he said it in a way where you believe pain would be punished (arms and legs torn up) if he fail in taking naruto.

I agree with that because the man who commands akatsuki wouldn't have said that if he wasn't so sure of his power and it seems like those two (Pein/Pain/Payne whatever and the female akatsuki) feared him (perhaps not but I still that way).

I am not sure if Tobi is dead or not. There is few ways how he could have survived and maybe Zetzu made another mistake reporting Tobi as dead like he did reporting Sasuke was dead. In my opinion whole tobi character was so stupid idea from the beginning so Kishi decided to remove him from the series.

And I don't know how Sasuke summoned Manda there and how he had chakra to put him under genjutsu. Maybe he had chakra to use genjutsu but didn't have chakra to summon Manda so he used some kind of scroll like suigetsu did. Well, maybe it's better not to assume too much... :D


AL(Pein) may have a blood connection with Naruto, brother? father? uncle(yondaime's brother)?;

I can't believe in that because I can't see why Pein is from rain village and Yondaime and Naruto are from Konoha It's just too absurd for me so I can't believe that.

The Death of Manda isn't the end of the World so I don't take it so seriously and I think Kishi had a good reason doing that.

I don't know why there are people who whines about "How did Sasuke escape like that? Why did Tobi has to die? Why why why..." because I think these things will be explained afterwards (Of course everyone has his rights to say whatever they want so sorry for this). And if these things aren't explained there is no reason then why they should be explained :)

Kishi made this series much better in this chapter. It became more interesting and mysterious. It will be a pleasure to follow this to the very end. Still waiting for next chapters!

Gold Knight
July 22, 2007, 05:30 AM
Tobi is not dead.

From the very beginning, he's always appeared to me to be a character that relished in being underestimated. I'll be willing to bet that he WANTS the Akatsuki to think he's dead. He was probably never truly working for them at all in the first place.

As for Sasuke's escape, I didn't really want to go there - but that DID seem very absurd for him to just summon Manda out of the blue to save his ass after being clearly shown to be nearly exhausted on chakra. Though that could be easily explained away by saying that Sasuke was only feinting, in order to save up a last attack on Deidara to finish him off if the situation called for it, and he had to use that last bit of energy instead on summoning Oro's pet to get him the hell out of there.

juUnior
July 22, 2007, 05:37 AM
Superb amazing chapter, that's in short!! :DxDxD

Cover is amazing in my opinion, really cool, one of the coolest from the while xD
The whole thing with Manda.. heh, I was expecting to see fight Sasuke vs Naruto with summons Manda and Gamabunta, with Sakura in the middle with her summon like Tsunade, but probably it won't happen, because Saske killed Manda.. heh.. quite sad for Manda :x xD
And Leader Akatsuki aka Pain, cool name and cool appearance, he sure looks superb. And Lady also xD Some strong lady from Aka, heh can't wait to see her "real" mutan... ekhem, her powers xDxD And I just love that panel page with Pain and Lady, hope that somebody will color that xD
And the end with soe shadow person.. whats interesting is how Kishi portraied that. He show us "true" Leader of Aka and Lady, who we didn;t knew until now, but on the other hand he give us another some shadow person, which we didn't even have a shape of it (yeah, some legs and arm ;p). Kishi is superb, and manga "Naruto" GREAT!! xD

Edit:

That battle which started off so promisingly turned out to, in my opinion, the worst written fight in the ENTIRE series.

Way to go, Dei, in letting Sasuke analyze all your moves, all your jutsus, to the point where you stood about as much chance of getting out of that fight alive as Kakuzu did jumping right into Naruto's Rasenshuriken.

And especially mortifying was the fact that Tobi did indeed prove to be completely ineffective in that battle. He HAD to become Akatsuki for a reason; but it sure didn't look like he was at all very good support for Deidara, especially at the end of that battle, when he would have been particularly useful in taking out Sasuke for a worn-out Dei.

Ow, I don;t agree with You, or rather, I have differnt opinion. In fact for me it was one of coolest fights in entire Naruto, because of... Deidara. Yes, he was hella of a fighter, but because of the storyline, Saske was the only one to win, in that or in another way. But whats so cool about that fight was the little past sharingan moment from Deidara, and all his super bang jutsus, it's was wonderful. The end for me was quite dissapointing with Saske using Manda to escape from eksplosion, but on the other hand he somewhat resered chakra by deactivating sharingan quite before Dei exploded. In my opinion one of superb fights. This was truly fight of "Art is a bang" thx to Deidei xD

On the other hand, I agree, that Deidara was seen trough everything by Saske, but also, he was in bad posiotion because of the elements. If we focus only on chakra nature lemeents, Deidara had the worst possible opponent.


1. Sasuke summoned Mandra, genjutsu it, entered his body, and make it think to go back to World of Summon immediately after Deidara exploded.
Oh yeah, I had only that image of situation. :x:X xD

fremeer
July 22, 2007, 06:54 AM
tobi=jiraiya's spy any1? also is manda dead or just like taken out and needs to heal? can a summon be killed?

bennibb
July 22, 2007, 07:10 AM
You're assuming far too much here. First, a grenade exploding and an explosion from Deidara, a self-destruction coming from a concentrated core (second to last panel in the last chapter) are two completely different things. That's like comparing a nuclear bomb going off and a sparkler going being burnt, then comparing the times. Show me a grenade that has an end explosion that is that large and I'll give you the world.

Next, who says that Sasuke ran out of chakra completely? He never said anything about turning his Sharingan off. People ignorantly assumed that he was either out of chakra, or did it to piss Deidara off to make him seem inferior. Going off of this recent chapter, I now think that Sasuke turned it off to consume chakra, neither of the above. That said, we don't know his exact amount, nor do we know the exact amount it takes to summon. So, in the end, we will never know, but one thing is for sure, it's not as far fetched as people are making it out to be. As much as some "experts" believe themselves to be, none of us here can calculate how much time was between Sasuke summoning and the explosion hitting, so don't try, it's foolhardy.

Im not assumin anything its a rock solid fact for those who read and look closly at the pictures. Sasuke was as nerds say it OOM (out of mana) and should be done for it. And we DO know some about how much mana that is used for this kinda stuff... Naruto needed Kyuubi reserve to summon Bunta... When Jirayia couldnt summon at 1/3 of chacra due to poison from Tsunade (pluss some effects) and Sasuke can do it in a blink of an eye or explotion when hes so wourn out that he cant even stand??? After used Chidori and Sharingan pluss gone Cursed seal over and over again??? C'mon even the most fanatic Sasuke fans can see the big flaw here. No way he should be able to do that and even AFTER the bang had gone off. This is facts just read and look its simple

Seranel N'Ryt
July 22, 2007, 08:37 AM
:tem when Naruto-kun summomed Gamabunta(?) he use a lot of chakra
(he used kuubi's chakra)

Manda was summoned by Sasuke... Where was that chakra from?

* Manda... so pity !!:notrust

C4animax
July 22, 2007, 09:27 AM
Kishimoto should've kiled Katsuyu instead. Damn slug...


Quoted for truth.



Sorry but i cannot accept Sasukes escape here... I posted earlyer about this... But you see the timeline here Sasuke looks stunned AS the expltion goes off... Giving him under 0,05 sec before hes hit (This is how fast a granade goes off after ignition) And in that time he summons manda with no chacra and enslaves him and jump into his mouth then dismisses to Snake land... that was in less then 1 sec. And for those who said Sasuke never was out of chacra?? reread lest chapter. He collaps after the last chidori and he cant hold on Sharingan any more witch Kakashi has explaind SOO long ago (Training for the Gaara fight) that Sharingan + Jutsu takes to much chacra. Thats all there is to it. He couldnt have done it due to chacra or due to time

1/Sasuke sumon manda, let's imagine he has a special position for it (orochimaru just needed to put blood on his arm to make it faster to summon)
2/ sasuke Jumps, get eyes to eyes with manda and a part of the blast pushes sasuke in manda's mouth.
2*/ manda appear and trie to eat sasuke who uses the opportunity to genjutsu manda.
3/ space poping jutsu (call it whaterver you wish) using manda's ability or just because manda took the hit decided to pop off.
4/ Scroll with the snake deseapearing meaning that sasuke used that "special" jutsu (not really a jutsu but more like a last resort "mouvement")

Last ressort + "main character" + taking off sharingan = escape no jutsu.



Next, who says that Sasuke ran out of chakra completely? He never said anything about turning his Sharingan off. People ignorantly assumed that he was either out of chakra, or did it to piss Deidara off to make him seem inferior.

I believe that he did it to stop annoying deidara...but that didn't work, since sharingan takes lot of chakra that could be to save some as well.




Sasuke summoning manda isn't hard to believe. The real reason why Naruto had to use kyuubi chakra to summon gamabunta WASN'T because it took alot of chakra. Though it does, the real reason is that Naruto is inefficent at using chakra. Remember that chart from back when? Naruto waste almost half his chakra when he uses it. And we have seen that Sasuke is good at chakra control. So summoning manda isn't really that hard to imagine.


That makes better sense! But in the past what naruto really needed was chakra as well, which is probably why he was able to be the first one summoning . But three years later i'm pretty sure it isn't hard for those two to summon monster "easily"




btw is that dude pein the akatsuki leader can some1 please tell me

Pein is the akatsuki leader, the women which is at the opposite of him, saw the man in the shadow and called the Akatsuki leader who was sitting, does that makes sense?

Otherwise why would the akatsuki leader call the woman saying : "come he's here" and then get up and walk?


tobi=jiraiya's spy any1? also is manda dead or just like taken out and needs to heal? can a summon be killed?

suggested that :D, i mean he was with zetsu the first time wasn't he? And it seemed to me that tobi was looking after a place in the organization for a long time (him being "too friendly" with zetsu and dei), and jiraya knowing "everything"...some will say he uses his frogs...yeah ok;....

ornis
July 22, 2007, 10:01 AM
Way to go, Dei, in letting Sasuke analyze all your moves, all your jutsus, to the point where you stood about as much chance of getting out of that fight alive as Kakuzu did jumping right into Naruto's Rasenshuriken.





I let a few post bumps slip through the cracks occassionally as a global, so I think I'm going to take advantage of that for myself to bump this post with a resounding "RIGHT ON!" Your line about Kakuzu jumping into the rasengan is cracking me up even now :)

Sheesh! I had just about the same thought days ago:


Honestly, Deidara's last straw better be for some water... in my best hopes. If he fades, I can see another Akatsuki member dying like Kakuzu as Naruto's punch bag more than a test of his adolescence. I am merely spectating this I can-kick-ass-better-than-you fest even if "Itachi-plot" is the compelling force behind Sasuke's "competitive edge."

I could have clearly predicted the disappointment of the chapter. There's no plot growth, no character shaping, just a fun play on kuchiyose. Deconstructing the summon is exactly what I want, it's such an alluring event worth my indulgence.



assalane, I'd say it's a plot device to further the agony of the current battle. Even the multi-pane spread of that one punch felt less than as wrenching as Sasuke's turn around could have been. The one instance I'd get some ice to Sasauke's bruises is when he stands with Chidori crackling 'round his body, you can see him on the ropes via his stance, paired with his grimace.

Still, in the shadows of a "revealing" pane, Sasuke claims, "[His] eyes give color to chakra." It reads almost menacingly. Story-wise, no.... temperance-wise, as in my own, very much so. What other great feat will the "all-mighty" eye behold again, better, or newly dealt! Honestly, Deidara's last straw better be for some water... in my best hopes. If he fades, I can see another Akatsuki member dying like Kakuzu as Naruto's punch bag more than a test of his adolescence. I am merely spectating this I can-kick-ass-better-than-you fest even if "Itachi-plot" is the compelling force behind Sasuke's "competitive edge."

AxelCross
July 22, 2007, 10:21 AM
Okay. I know that Sasuke some how removed himself from Deidara's blast area. AxelCross "says" that Manda initiated this jump. Manda was under Sasuke's genjutsu, though---so, technically, Manda's reaction would be to jump while in the genjutsu--- he’d act anyway Sasuke dictates. Sasuke commands were to go, and Manda obeys. Otherwise, Sasuke cancels the summon (or manipulates the kuchiyose) and distorts his dimensional relevance with Manda's by crossing them---when he enters as a summoner into a summoned beast, two aspects of different dimensions entwine, and if Sasuke ends the summon Sasuke would take himself as an aspect of Naruto nin-world into Manda's beast-world, as if causing part of nin-world to be summoned to Manda's dimension.


Over that, slightly, I know can examine that Manda takes the incredible amount of damage he faced in Sasuke's space to another position, and if the snake reverted back to its space, there's a problem. Seeing that its injuries were fatal, I wonder why Sasuke would risk a space-time warp that is "restored" by a fellow teammate who only happened to be unoccupied at the moment of Sasuke's emergency. Suigetsu may not be the only one with a Kuchiyose scroll but it sure felt like he was the only thread of dumbfounding hope… If he couldn't summon Manda in time---before the wounds slew the beast if the fading snake image on the scroll stood for that----how would Sasuke get back (can you summon a beast that's dead?) and how would he survive the world Manda comes from? Sharingan? Um, when can he actually die?

(Post edited to save space) I say that because, as of now, there is no "space time warp jutsu", so the only other option Kishimoto has, if he wants to stay true to his own damn manga, is for either Sasuke to call back the summoned familiar himself, which could be possible, or for Manda himself to initiate the big poof back to La La Land. Now, I say this because, notice that Manda said "You used me", by this I think it can be said that, while Sasuke was controlling Manda, Manda was quite aware of what is going on, and he might have been able to push through this genjutsu just enough to revert back to La La Land.

Either that, or, this is the version I like the most; Manda is under a genjutsu while Sasuke runs into his mouth, right as the blast is hitting them both, Sasuke makes Manda close his mouth, then he actually undoes the genjutsu. It may seem insane, but what is Manda going to do? Nothing, he's being blown away right as Sasuke undoes the genjutsu, and Manda has no choice but to revert back to La La Land, and by this time he is literally starring death in the face, so he can't exactly chomp up Sasuke (we know this because he didn't even when Sasuke and Suigetsu were right by his mouth, literally right there).

So, I think that is what happened, it makes sense, and it's not insane, it's just risky on Sasuke's part. But then again, I think that's what Kishimoto tried to do in the first place, to show that Sasuke even has to take desperate measures to survive sometimes. You say that Sasuke is insane for doing this, but let me ask you, what would have happened if he didn't? He would have died, so what is so insane about it? In my eyes, it's ingenious. Here's the scenarios he was faced with: A certain death at the hand of one big ass explosion, or a possible death in La La Land if no one summoned him back with Manda, or if Manda died in there. A possible death over a certain death, I'd take the latter.

All in all, none of us have proof, just theories as to exactly what happened, but then again, that's what half this series is about, mystery as to how they did whatever they did, we will never know, and I like it that way, as that's usually how things go in the real world when something extraordinary happens in a situation of certain death (obviously not this crazy, but I hope you get it).

Substance
July 22, 2007, 11:42 AM
tobi=jiraiya's spy any1?


IVE BEEN THINKIN THAT FROM THE START! *sorry caps*

but is paine sai brother?

zerocooldx
July 22, 2007, 12:35 PM
my thory is that Pain is narutos older brother and i've been saying that ever since the AL was first introduced, we dont know where naruto's family is or where they came from, for all we know they could have come to konoha from a diff village, and saying Pains eyes are a blood Line power so he cant be narutos brother is dumb (look at kibas,orochimarus,haidens,kakuzus and kyuubi narutos eyes thay r all diff but dont posses any power) and also i doubt Pain's identity was kept secret for this long and have him turn out to be a new character with no really strong connections to any of the main characters, wut do u think???

arslan
July 22, 2007, 02:51 PM
i think we can't say anything for certain at this point and we should wait for kishi to give us a little more info.

ornis
July 22, 2007, 07:32 PM
(Post edited to save space) I say that because, as of now, there is no "space time warp jutsu", so the only other option Kishimoto has, if he wants to stay true to his own damn manga, is for either Sasuke to call back the summoned familiar himself, which could be possible, or for Manda himself to initiate the big poof back to La La Land. Now, I say this because, notice that Manda said "You used me", by this I think it can be said that, while Sasuke was controlling Manda, Manda was quite aware of what is going on, and he might have been able to push through this genjutsu just enough to revert back to La La Land.

Either that, or, this is the version I like the most; Manda is under a genjutsu while Sasuke runs into his mouth, right as the blast is hitting them both, Sasuke makes Manda close his mouth, then he actually undoes the genjutsu. It may seem insane, but what is Manda going to do? Nothing, he's being blown away right as Sasuke undoes the genjutsu, and Manda has no choice but to revert back to La La Land, and by this time he is literally starring death in the face, so he can't exactly chomp up Sasuke (we know this because he didn't even when Sasuke and Suigetsu were right by his mouth, literally right there).

So, I think that is what happened, it makes sense, and it's not insane, it's just risky on Sasuke's part. But then again, I think that's what Kishimoto tried to do in the first place, to show that Sasuke even has to take desperate measures to survive sometimes. You say that Sasuke is insane for doing this, but let me ask you, what would have happened if he didn't? He would have died, so what is so insane about it? In my eyes, it's ingenious. Here's the scenarios he was faced with: A certain death at the hand of one big ass explosion, or a possible death in La La Land if no one summoned him back with Manda, or if Manda died in there. A possible death over a certain death, I'd take the latter.

All in all, none of us have proof, just theories as to exactly what happened, but then again, that's what half this series is about, mystery as to how they did whatever they did, we will never know, and I like it that way, as that's usually how things go in the real world when something extraordinary happens in a situation of certain death (obviously not this crazy, but I hope you get it).

Cool. Bizarre's a better word, and you just considered it crazy, but I still consider it insane due to the possible risk. Given the scenario however, the risk was worth it. Some "insane" feats of bravery are often really amazing, though furthermore incapable of being rationalized (except, like in this case of necessary split-second decisiveness, where taking another option, it seems the only other option, is immediate death)

To an observer, it may be insane to attempt Sasuke's jump (a la ornis), but insane in an "I'm stupefied" way: there's awe and surprise at witnessing something happen that a doubting mind may first question when that mind doubts outside of the shoes the risk-taker. In the end, it's understandable to face the risk if the "gambler" survives and/or if the observer finally empathizes with the "gambler." If I had a choice beyond what Sasuke had available and it involved somethig safer, I hope I'd have the mindframe to chose it. But with just the choices you give me, AxelCross, I'd chance the jump to la la land in a heart beat.


//Also, Suigetsu mentions Sasuke's genjutsu as he watches the snake's eyes reverse from a hypnotized state back to their regular condition. The coloring of the panels (on page eleven) that display Manda's eyes changes to signify this. Manda was under Sasuke's genjutsu before he spoke about "that brat." Sasuke never undid the spell prior to the reclamation of his body from supposed la la land.//

haruka9
July 22, 2007, 07:40 PM
i already expressed my opinions regarding this chapter to another discussion thread. but i may as well put it here.... That Pain is not the real leader but serves as only the acting Akatsuki leader or a "spokesperson." The REAL Akatsuki leader gives him direct orders and Pain just orders it to his members. It's obvious with the shadow of a man being hidden and saying "the leader's failure cannot be accepted." This line says it all. So he then asks Pain to capture Naruto. He seems to be a quite strong and troublesome ninja. Even his female partner looks strong too. With this pair being on the move in capturing Naruto, I think our beloved Konoha ninjas will have a quite hard time defeating them.... I do hope that there won't be any ninjas dying when their battle comes.... especially Kakashi.... Let's pray that this won't happen....

poopoomaru
July 22, 2007, 08:25 PM
Well after having seen our only female akatsuki member I think it is more likely then ever that she was the kunoichi that was in the fourth's three man team. It of course blast out of the water the possibility that Pain is the squinty eyed boy though.

It does seem very likely that we might be losing a certain depth-perception-lacking sensei in the coming battle as it follows suit with the passing on of the generations.

Takuto
July 22, 2007, 09:14 PM
I'm still wondering whether the unknown guy told Pain and BH to go after Naruto together or just Pain, the 2 of them against naruto's team would certainly be interesting.

tptiger
July 22, 2007, 09:35 PM
I really liked Manda Sama, I was saying i was hoping he would eat that little bxtch Kabito with his lame glasses and never dies

xi0
July 22, 2007, 10:26 PM
It did seem like Sasuke was exhausted when he summoned Manda, but remember that he has the summoning tatoo that Orochimaru used. Knowing that Oro had a vast knowledge of techniques and very innovative ones at that, it isn't at all unlikely that the tatoo shares some similarities with Tsunade's Shadow Seal on her forehead, in that the person is able to store a large amount of chakra in a specific point in their body. Remember that the Kuchiyose is different then the other ones we've seen, meaning that it requires the tatoo/symbol or scroll with the symbol on it. Also the tatoo makes summoning snakes easier, which could certainly be because of whatever this hidden ability is.

We now know why Sasuke had sleeves on since he reappeared earlier in part 2.

akatsuki27
July 23, 2007, 02:14 AM
oh crap Naruto is in trouble....Pein looks badass (almost uzumakiish maybe???), he must have some terrifying jutsu....by the way stop saying that kakashi is going to die....thats stupid, to kill him off a this time or any time wouldnt make sense

when asuma's team was preparing to hunt akatsuki you knew he was going to die because he kept appearing more than usual and was reflective with shikamaru, very mysterious like...everything about that arc said asuma was done....so tell me how is kakashi going to die??? where's the insight???

there's a few things that haven't been cleared up like how he got the MS and so on....go to the prediction thread to speculate, don't bring it up here cause now you got me talking about it....i'd rather discuss Pein's badassness and sasuke's quick-thinkingness

SmallTiger
July 23, 2007, 02:16 AM
Tobi is not dead.

From the very beginning, he's always appeared to me to be a character that relished in being underestimated. I'll be willing to bet that he WANTS the Akatsuki to think he's dead. He was probably never truly working for them at all in the first place..

Agreed!! :thumbs He certainly wasn't working for Deidara there, was he? "I'm sorry you're out of chakra sempai, but I have good news... I just saved fifteen percent on my car insurance."


As for Sasuke's escape, I didn't really want to go there - but that DID seem very absurd for him to just summon Manda out of the blue to save his ass after being clearly shown to be nearly exhausted on chakra. Uh... yeah. :notrust


BTW, do I get the feeling that Kishi is trying to turn Itachi into some sort of sympathetic figure?? He looked geniunely sad over the Sasuke "news", he's not in any hurry to catch Naruto, and he's practically been fired...