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Maphisto40

January 11, 2009, 11:21 AM

I think the odds of Kenichi losing haven't been so high. Akisame shaving his moustache is more likely than Shiba because it'd grow back in a couple of days, and I think it might actually happen that Takeda might confess to Miu and be rejected and it'd help Miu understand her feelings a little more.

Sorry if I was confusing, my English typing skills take a huge setback whenever I'm tired of studying for some hours in a row.

Ok, that is really plausible. And if it helps Miu to wake up, then I'm all for it! And you're right, the odds are against Kenichi, with his personality. He won't call out all his skill against Takeda....if he does I'll be shocked. Heh, Akisame will be uber pissed if he loses a bet to Shiba. Kenichi will go through even worse hell than before. :p

And don't worry, if you hadn't mentioned that English isn't your first language, I'd never have noticed. Sadly, I've met many Americans with a much worse grasp of English than you. It makes me weep for the future, actually. :darn

sabret00the

January 11, 2009, 11:51 AM

i've thought about every possible scenario for an ending to this spar and i think that ultimately it'll get stopped.

Jath

January 11, 2009, 12:33 PM

Ok, that is really plausible. And if it helps Miu to wake up, then I'm all for it! And you're right, the odds are against Kenichi, with his personality. He won't call out all his skill against Takeda....if he does I'll be shocked. Heh, Akisame will be uber pissed if he loses a bet to Shiba. Kenichi will go through even worse hell than before. :p

And don't worry, if you hadn't mentioned that English isn't your first language, I'd never have noticed. Sadly, I've met many Americans with a much worse grasp of English than you. It makes me weep for the future, actually. :darn

I got to say, it would be nice if Miu did wake up after that happens. And yeah, I do agree. I don't think Kenichi will pull out his full potential just against Takeda; he's not one to do so. It will definitely be interesting to see the outcome of this - if only the chapters came out faster. Hah.

And the English thing, I really do hate people that sit there and use absolutely no grammar at all. Granted, I really don't know how my grammar is - even as American - but hell, I'm so happy I don't act like a lot of people I see.

Stop

January 11, 2009, 03:12 PM

i tink tat keNcHan iz goin to get teh pwnedz <-- not serious still thinks its going to be a tie
I was rereading the manga and I think ikki has improved a ton I didn't really noticed the first time round.

Blocks sho's attack
almost*tried* to dodge sekkia*?

I mean I noticed he gotten stronger but not that strong. I'm starting to think that he's going to be one bad ass motherfucker later on in the manga not just a bad ass.
I really hope that he faces that Muay boran guy, but the chances of that are pretty low since kenichi almost died so it's gonna be him fighting most likely

keater

January 12, 2009, 09:41 AM

I got to say, it would be nice if Miu did wake up after that happens. And yeah, I do agree. I don't think Kenichi will pull out his full potential just against Takeda; he's not one to do so. It will definitely be interesting to see the outcome of this - if only the chapters came out faster. Hah.

And the English thing, I really do hate people that sit there and use absolutely no grammar at all. Granted, I really don't know how my grammar is - even as American - but hell, I'm so happy I don't act like a lot of people I see.

Well, personaly I think Keinichi migh actually win this one, since the hipe about Takeda is a bit too much. But it'll probably end in a tie of some sort, whitch is no fun at all. Well whoever loses (if that happens) is going to wish he was in hell.

jjrbraves

January 12, 2009, 10:09 PM

Well I just caught up to the recent chapter and I gotta say it's a really cool manga, I enjoy reading it a lot. I think Takeda is strong but if Kenichi tries a bit harder there is no way he can lose.

Maphisto40

January 12, 2009, 10:32 PM

Well I just caught up to the recent chapter and I gotta say it's a really cool manga, I enjoy reading it a lot. I think Takeda is strong but if Kenichi tries a bit harder there is no way he can lose.

Welcome to the fun-filled world of Kenichi! I ended up loving this manga so much that I've now read the whole thing about 6 times (I have a lot of free time). :p

On a Bleach-centric forum that I live on, I have found other die-hard Kenichi fans, and they had me change all their sigs to reflect that. They wanted me to add the Shinpaku logo, because we're all in a "Shinpaku Alliance" just for fun. Everyone else probably thinks we're nuts...;)

Here's my most recent sig for that forum (I just got addicted to vectors):
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/Signatures/BAShinpakusig.png

Ravsieg

January 13, 2009, 02:05 PM

Rofl!! That Shinpaku signature made me laugh. xD

I agree with those reasons why Kenichi might lose to Takeda. His heart will ultimately prevent him from being too rough.

However I'm still curious as to how Kenichi will react to Takeda telling him his feelings for Miu. :P

And thanks for the compliment concerning the language. ^^; Oh it's a common problem on the civilized world it seems. I'd actually say my English is better than most Portuguese's people Portuguese!
... Like that butterfly who just won a major FIFA prize.
I grimace many times each day whenever I'm reading comments on the internet and all, really.

Jath

January 13, 2009, 03:58 PM

Well, personaly I think Keinichi migh actually win this one, since the hipe about Takeda is a bit too much. But it'll probably end in a tie of some sort, whitch is no fun at all. Well whoever loses (if that happens) is going to wish he was in hell.

Yeah I do got to say, Takeda's hipe is very high right now. Kenichi may not pull out his full potential, but I don't think he'll lose either. He's not one to lose. I mean... Look at his stamina. lol

However I'm still curious as to how Kenichi will react to Takeda telling him his feelings for Miu. :P

And thanks for the compliment concerning the language. ^^; Oh it's a common problem on the civilized world it seems. I'd actually say my English is better than most Portuguese's people Portuguese!
... Like that butterfly who just won a major FIFA prize.
I grimace many times each day whenever I'm reading comments on the internet and all, really.

I am actually very curious to see how Kenichi will react too. When I heard(read) Takeda say that, I was like holy hell.

And the language, I might not be the best at spelling, but I do my best while typing and talking with grammar. I swear, people annoy me when they type with absolutely no grammar. It's pretty annoying to try and read. Heh.

Maphisto40

January 14, 2009, 02:59 PM

giovanni8787

January 14, 2009, 03:15 PM

I just read 320....

Oh my Gawd! Takeda learned Ryusui Seikuken?!?!? WTF! :blink Sneaky Shiba-sensei! Now it's two Sei fighters duking it out! Well dang, it could go either way now that Takeda has surpassed my expectations. It was great to see Kenichi get serious, though he certainly isn't pulling out all the stops yet. I can't wait for next week! :D

i 'm gettin tired of this fight now, it's almost like takeda is stronger than kenichi and that's way too absurd.I hope to see in the next chapter how kenichi Powns (i'll be very disappointed by a slight victory ) the boxer.

Maphisto40

January 14, 2009, 03:22 PM

i 'm gettin tired of this fight now, it's almost like takeda is stronger than kenichi and that's way too absurd.I hope to see in the next chapter how kenichi Powns (i'll be very disappointed by a slight victory ) the boxer.

Don't worry, Takeda's Seikuken isn't nearly as strong as Kenichi's, plus he probably doesn't know how to use it as well. Kenichi's had a lot more practice. I said I don't know which way it'll go, but I still predict a Kenichi win, I just hope it'll be a decisive win. And then Renka goes and comforts Takeda, and they all live happily ever after....:p I hate triangle relationships, especially in my Shounen manga. :notrust

giovanni8787

January 14, 2009, 04:06 PM

sabret00the

January 14, 2009, 04:40 PM

Who doesn't think that the latest chapter was beyond EPIC?! I'm still rooting for Takeda but i'm still sure it'll be stopped.

Saintz0r

January 14, 2009, 05:06 PM

Just finished all the chapters \o/

I'm a little surprised with Takeda's growth, guess he had more talent than I thought, but Kenichi will surely win to protect Akisame's moustache :p
No, seriously, I don't think Kenichi'll lose after Takeda said that he'd take care of Miu. ( I just hope Takeda isn't being serious about that, Renka already troubles kenichi too much xD )

Ravsieg

January 14, 2009, 05:19 PM

The first few pages were right though, Miu would just get onto it without understanding anything at all, so I don't really think Takeda will win this anymore.

Maphisto40

January 14, 2009, 05:58 PM

you are right,but takeda's tecnique isn't just a basic seikuken but a 'shallow ryuusei seikuken'(as Master Ma stated),which is something James-sensei shouldn't even know.
This is probably what pissed me off. ;D

Now that I think about it....you're right! Ryūsui Seikūken is supposed to be Fūrinji Hayato's technique! How the hell did Shiba teach it to Takeda?!? :blink

The first few pages were right though, Miu would just get onto it without understanding anything at all, so I don't really think Takeda will win this anymore.

LOL, when Kenichi thought "What are you, a primary school student?" I just about died! Looks like he's getting a tad bit annoyed at her obtuseness as well. ;)

paradoxe

January 14, 2009, 07:25 PM

Takeda doesn't have Seikuken , the hell are you talking bout?

Kenichi is using it to slip through his attacks and dodge it..

=/

Maphisto40

January 14, 2009, 09:46 PM

Takeda doesn't have Seikuken , the hell are you talking bout?

Kenichi is using it to slip through his attacks and dodge it..

=/

I'm sorry, did you even read the chapter? Takeda activated a weaker version of Ryūsui Seikūken after their short break.

Here: http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/320/17/ <<< Takeda slips through Kenichi's attacks

And here: http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/320/18/ <<< They both have Ryūsui Seikūken activated.

Ravsieg

January 15, 2009, 05:45 AM

Takeda is probably too nice of a guy to try anything silly I guess. XD

And I just hope this whole feelings + Miu scheme went by quickly, nothing against the plot but it quite unsettles me and I definitely don't want something like that to be caused in one of my favorite hobbies.

paradoxe

January 15, 2009, 05:59 AM

I'm sorry, did you even read the chapter? Takeda activated a weaker version of Ryūsui Seikūken after their short break.

No need to be so inulting, jesus.

Some people here just get riled up so easily.

I thought they were referring to Kenichi, now I've re read it, guess its my mistake.

Need me to apologize too?

keater

January 15, 2009, 06:10 AM

Now that I think about it....you're right! Ryūsui Seikūken is supposed to be Fūrinji Hayato's technique! How the hell did Shiba teach it to Takeda?!? :blink

Well Taked did use a form of Mubyoshi... So maybe he is turning in a long-haired Keinichi boxer-thing?
But seriously the chapter was epic. But I think the development is kinda rushed, with all the hipe over Takeda it should be a bit slower...

Maphisto40

January 15, 2009, 09:37 AM

No need to be so inulting, jesus.

Some people here just get riled up so easily.

I thought they were referring to Kenichi, now I've re read it, guess its my mistake.

Need me to apologize too?

LOL, I wasn't riled up in the slightest. I apologize if I sounded insulting, but I tend to match my tone to the post I'm quoting, you know, the one where you asked us "what the hell we're talking about." ;)

I truly don't care, as anyone on this forum who knows me can tell you. I'm not a flamer...I'm a discusser. :D

Now, back to discussing HSD Kenichi!

Takeda is probably too nice of a guy to try anything silly I guess. XD

And I just hope this whole feelings + Miu scheme went by quickly, nothing against the plot but it quite unsettles me and I definitely don't want something like that to be caused in one of my favorite hobbies.
I don't know....Takeda's already crossed some lines that I never would have expected during this altercation... I know he's doing it deliberately, but it's still weird that it's Takeda doing it.

I just want the Miu thing to go one way or the other! It's getting annoying having it sit in the middle for 320 chapters! Either reject Kenichi, or just kiss him already, at this point I don't care which. :eyeroll

Well Taked did use a form of Mubyoshi... So maybe he is turning in a long-haired Keinichi boxer-thing?
But seriously the chapter was epic. But I think the development is kinda rushed, with all the hipe over Takeda it should be a bit slower...
Ha ha, you sound like my friend on another forum. He's all pissed off at Takeda for copying so many of Kenichi's moves, and I see his point. I don't mind that Takeda is strong, or learns a form of Seikūken (which any Sei fighter should learn), I just wish it hadn't been brought out in a fight against Kenichi. I would have much rather seen that development against a YOMI member, I guess. My feelings are a bit conflicted on the subject...:amuse

Quetz

January 15, 2009, 12:10 PM

If kenichi doesn't soundly crush takeda now that he's being completely serious, I'll be hugely disappointed. Intense training under masters for like a year and a half vs self training + training under a single master for like a month + talent , it should be obvious which one should win, with the whole 'hard work will overtake talent' tone of the manga.

Kenichi is going to have to pull something out of his ass to make it a convincing victory though, and it'd better be amazing. What happened to attackign takeda's legs, that whole deal? I'm sure he's not such an easy target nowadays, but still, he's only utilizing half of his limbs, meanwhile kenichi is trained in muay thai (which basically gives him 8 limbs to attack with since he utilizes knees and elbows so much).

I guess you can tell who I think should win the fight, eh?

Pollux

January 15, 2009, 12:17 PM

I've just found this thread (shame on me for not looking for it sooner) and wanted to give my impressions on chapter 320.

I've quite mixed feelings about it.
The fight in itself isn't bad and James and Akisame are quite funny but Takeda's evolution leaves me undecided.
As a Takeda fan, I'm quite happy to see that he has become really strong but I think it might be too much.
Okay, he was already strong with only one arm, then he recovered the use of his second one and fought in the underground arena but Kenishi has been through hellish training too for a lot of time, fought incredibly powerful opponents and now he seems to be inferior to Takeda, who even used the second level of Seikuken and his own version of Mubyoshi !
Making Takeda a strong fighter is a good thing as I don't like mangas in which the hero's friends are stronger than him (or at least equal) at first and then remain weaker for the rest of the manga but making him a "copy" of Kenichi is, in my opinion, a bad idea.
I have been surprised to see that Takeda is a Sei user. I admit he has a lot of skill but I think boxing would fit Do better. I just hope we will see more good guys being strong Do users because until now, we have seen Miu the most and yet she didn't fight so much. Moreover, her being a Do user fits her quick temper but not her fighting style, in my opinion.

I don't mind that Takeda is strong, or learns a form of Seikūken (which any Sei fighter should learn), I just wish it hadn't been brought out in a fight against Kenichi. I would have much rather seen that development against a YOMI member, I guess. My feelings are a bit conflicted on the subject...
I agree. Perhaps I wouldn't have disliked what Takeda has become if it had been introduced in different circumstances.

And one last thing, about Miu and Kenichi. A part of me wants Kenichi to win because he promised Shou he would protect Miu but another (and perhaps stronger) part of me wants to see Kenichi lose because I don't quite like the Kenichi - Miu pair, I prefer by far the Kenichi - Renka one. Anyway, even if Kenichi loses, that doesn't mean Miu will 'dump' him. So go Kenichi !

Ravsieg

January 15, 2009, 12:50 PM

I just want the Miu thing to go one way or the other! It's getting annoying having it sit in the middle for 320 chapters! Either reject Kenichi, or just kiss him already, at this point I don't care which. :eyeroll:

It's not that its stall has been way too long, what unsettles me is Miu being involved in romantic situations, period.

Anyways..
After this fight the least that will be required of Takeda now is him taking a Yomi member down.

Maphisto40

January 15, 2009, 12:59 PM

It's not that its stall has been way too long, what unsettles me is Miu being involved in romantic situations, period.

Anyways..
After this fight the least that will be required of Takeda now is him taking a Yomi member down.

Ha ha, I think I see what you mean! She's so naive that she seems too young for it. :p

And seriously! Takeda had better be able to step up to the plate now that he's shown to be this strong! Who would you like to see him up against? I'd like to see him take on Pollux... Somehow I find that a hilarious thought. :amuse

keater

January 15, 2009, 01:49 PM

Ha ha, I think I see what you mean! She's so naive that she seems too young for it. :p

And seriously! Takeda had better be able to step up to the plate now that he's shown to be this strong! Who would you like to see him up against? I'd like to see him take on Pollux... Somehow I find that a hilarious thought. :amuse

If that happens it'll go like the fight with the big soldier guy in the DofD - Takeda being pissed and Pollux staring at him.

Personaly I think he will fight with Tirawit Kōkin. With all the 'I owe you so much' he would deffinetly try kicking his ass for almost killing Keinichi. And since no evil guy can beat the good guys 2 times, Tirwat is destined to lose.

As for Miu - she's like a 5 year old. What does that teach the class? If you're a prodigy in martial arts trained since you can walk, do not hit youre head too much.

Ravsieg

January 15, 2009, 02:22 PM

I agree that both Pollux and Tirawit are good targets for Takeda.. but for some (obvious) reason I can only imagine Tanimoto beating Tirawit. :P

As for the Miu thing, better leave that topic here heh. xD

Maledicente

January 15, 2009, 03:06 PM

Ha ha, I think I see what you mean! She's so naive that she seems too young for it. :p

And seriously! Takeda had better be able to step up to the plate now that he's shown to be this strong! Who would you like to see him up against? I'd like to see him take on Pollux... Somehow I find that a hilarious thought. :amuse

By the speed he is learning, give him a month more of training and he might take down a Yami master... with one hand. With one or two years he can ever defeat Hyato.

I mean, he`s gifted and hardworking and have a master class master and all, but both him and James should be genious for using even a shallow form of a technique created by Hyato, said to be secret, and teached to Kenich by the own creator through a very specific trainning.

Sorry 'bout the bad grammar.

Maphisto40

January 15, 2009, 03:44 PM

By the speed he is learning, give him a month more of training and he might take down a Yami master... with one hand. With one or two years he can ever defeat Hyato.

I mean, he`s gifted and hardworking and have a master class master and all, but both him and James should be genious for using even a shallow form of a technique created by Hyato, said to be secret, and teached to Kenich by the own creator through a very specific trainning.

Sorry 'bout the bad grammar.

Pfft, someone sorta feels like I do. This is why I'm conflicted. Shiba shouldn't have been able to teach Takeda Hayato's technique. I will require more information about how that's possible...like it's only something similar, with origins in the boxing world. :eyeroll

Ha ha, if your prediction comes true, the title of this manga will change to History's Strongest Disciple Takeda. :D

Maledicente

January 15, 2009, 03:49 PM

Ravsieg

January 15, 2009, 03:54 PM

Takeda is that awesome.
I mean, he had the upper hand all match long and took Kenichi down twice.. why shouldn't he be believing that he would win?

Belisar

January 15, 2009, 04:07 PM

i wonder if takeda really loves miu.
damn i want to see that guy who is training in the forrest.

Maphisto40

January 15, 2009, 04:09 PM

One more thing. By reading what Takeda says on the last panel here: http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/320/15/ I get the feeling that he is actualy looking down on Kenichi.

That really pisses me off. One thing is Tanimoto looking down on people, its just the way he behaves normaly, other thing is Takeda doing the same thing. I guess he actually believes Kenichi can't win. Cocky bastard.

Ok, I think you just crystallized what was truly bothering me about this chapter. Takeda is getting too full of himself. I love him, but it still kinda pisses me off. Hopefully, Matsuena-sensei is just using it to set up for Takeda's eventual defeat, so he'll realize how much further he needs to go.

*crosses fingers*

Pollux

January 15, 2009, 04:29 PM

One more thing. By reading what Takeda says on the last panel here: http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/320/15/ I get the feeling that he is actualy looking down on Kenichi.

That really pisses me off. One thing is Tanimoto looking down on people, its just the way he behaves normaly, other thing is Takeda doing the same thing. I guess he actually believes Kenichi can't win. Cocky bastard.

The way I see it is more like he is praising him. I think Takeda is saying :

1 - that despite having taken a lot of hard hits and being quite tired, Kenichi is still able to hit really hard

or

2 - that despite being well known for his endurance and some strong "special attacks" (Mubyoshi for example), Kenichi also uses strong "normal attacks".

Well, that's only my opinion but now that you've mentionned it, I'm starting to think Takeda is actually really looking down on Kenichi.

Edit : by the way, nice Kenichi and Tanimoto signature Maphisto40.

Maphisto40

January 15, 2009, 05:12 PM

The way I see it is more like he is praising him. I think Takeda is saying :

1 - that despite having taken a lot of hard hits and being quite tired, Kenichi is still able to hit really hard

or

2 - that despite being well known for his endurance and some strong "special attacks" (Mubyoshi for example), Kenichi also uses strong "normal attacks".

Well, that's only my opinion but now that you've mentionned it, I'm starting to think Takeda is actually really looking down on Kenichi.

Edit : by the way, nice Kenichi and Tanimoto signature Maphisto40.

I think, given the tone of the whole chapter, and last week's chapter...Takeda is looking down on Kenichi.....jerk. :D

Thank you! I had fun making it. I'm a sad Tanimoto fangirl, in addition to Edward Elric. :redface

Jath

January 15, 2009, 06:49 PM

I'm not going to go back quoting about the 20 posts that I have read so far, so hopefully everyone can follow by having read what I already have read. Hah.

Anyways, one, I do agree with whoever said it, I think sitting in chapter 320 is pretty ridiculous that Miu is just sitting around still sitting there in the middle, "Either dump him, or kiss him". "It's not that its stall has been way too long, what unsettles me is Miu being involved in romantic situations, period." And yeah, got to agree with that. lol

I think, given the tone of the whole chapter, and last week's chapter...Takeda is looking down on Kenichi.....jerk.

Got to say, if you think about it a little bit(of course, I might just be thinking about it too much) it seems more like Takeda is acting a lot like Shiba, and this whole relationship between Takeda and Kenichi is turning out to be a similar relationship between Akisame and Shiba.

Three... Yeah, gotta say, Takeda learning Hayato's technique, it's just too strange... I mean, wth. lol

"Manga addicted freak of nature..." That is just funny. My friend is also addicted to manga. He's been on crack reading Ippo, supposedly finally catching up to the 839 chapters of Ippo........... Me, I haven't read that much, although I'm still trying to find more interesting things like this or Negima to read/watch. I just caught up with Kurokami, which isn't too bad, and now I'm just sitting here waiting for new things to come out while watching Kateikyoushi Hitman Reborn.

En Yang Ji

January 15, 2009, 07:37 PM

I think the reason Takeda was looking down on Kenichi is because he wasn't being serious, that was the weakness Takeda was referring to. It wasn't until Kenichi got serious that he started to win.

On another note, I wonder how strong Hermit has become, we haven't seen him fight in a good while.

Also what happened to Berserker? He had the most potential out of all the non-master fighters we seen besides Kano Shou. If he got a good master and worked as hard as Hermit or Kenichi, he would probably be a master already.

Edit: Now that I think about it, Takeda was looking down on Kenichi, even after he got serious.

Maphisto40

January 15, 2009, 08:52 PM

Got to say, if you think about it a little bit(of course, I might just be thinking about it too much) it seems more like Takeda is acting a lot like Shiba, and this whole relationship between Takeda and Kenichi is turning out to be a similar relationship between Akisame and Shiba.

"Manga addicted freak of nature..." That is just funny. My friend is also addicted to manga. He's been on crack reading Ippo, supposedly finally catching up to the 839 chapters of Ippo........... Me, I haven't read that much, although I'm still trying to find more interesting things like this or Negima to read/watch. I just caught up with Kurokami, which isn't too bad, and now I'm just sitting here waiting for new things to come out while watching Kateikyoushi Hitman Reborn.
God forbid Takeda and Kenichi start acting like Shiba and Akisame... That would suck! :darn I've read somewhere around 150 manga so far, mostly Shounen. I'm a freak of nature because I'm a 31 year old wife and mother, who greatly enjoys manga and anime about people beating the living crap out of each other. :D

On another note, I wonder how strong Hermit has become, we haven't seen him fight in a good while.

Also what happened to Berserker? He had the most potential out of all the non-master fighters we seen besides Kano Shou. If he got a good master and worked as hard as Hermit or Kenichi, he would probably be a master already.
Che, Tanimoto pwns all! <<<<<Fangirl response alert

My friend on another forum also asked where the hell Berserker went. I'd like to see him again, hopefully he found himself a master after getting thrashed by Tanimoto (of course). <<<<<Fangirl response alert

Franckie

January 15, 2009, 09:42 PM

Three... Yeah, gotta say, Takeda learning Hayato's technique, it's just too strange... I mean, wth. lol

I wouldn't say it's Hayato's technique per se. It's obvious that Takeda is using a move his sensei taught him and isn't copying Kenichi. (Takeda initially didn't recognize what Kenichi was doing.) Seikuken has never been a Kenichi-exclusive move. Kensei, Ryuto, and Chigake's master know Seikuken. Shou even stated that Chigake's master has a move which is pretty similar to Ryusui Seikuken. With as many masters in the HSDK universe as there are stars in the sky, it shouldn't be a surprise to see that other martial artists have abilities which are similar to what Kenichi and his masters utilize.

keater

January 16, 2009, 05:31 AM

Takeda is not looking down on Keinichi. He has fought him before(well, it was a long time ago and stuff, but still) and knows that he can't judge his strength by only watching him fight. Just every other character in the manga he thinks his martial art is the strongest and taht's it. But a little bit more creativety on what is his final method of beating Keinichi. Besides Shiba doesn't look like a guy who would use something like the Seikuken, boxing as a whole too. And still the development and manga rules. Strange, no?

Maledicente

January 16, 2009, 07:29 AM

I wouldn't say it's Hayato's technique per se.

You wouldn't, but as Master Ba said here: http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/320/17/, no matter how shallow, it`s definitely Ryuusei Seikuuken.

I hope he said that just to create tension and you're actually right though. (No sarcasm, I really hope so).

Ravsieg

January 16, 2009, 08:04 AM

wife and mother

Gotta say I didn't expect this! xD
Sorry!

Maphisto40

January 16, 2009, 01:21 PM

Gotta say I didn't expect this! xD
Sorry!

LOL, why? Do I sound like some sort of old maid or something? Wives and mothers enjoy kickass manga, too! :D

Now I'm curious as to what your impression of me was..... ;)

Stop

January 16, 2009, 03:56 PM

LOL, why? Do I sound like some sort of old maid or something? Wives and mothers enjoy kickass manga, too! :D

Now I'm curious as to what your impression of me was..... ;)

WHAT?! Blasphemy!! Girls reading manga and I had just gotten over girls being on the internet!

Maphisto40

January 16, 2009, 05:55 PM

WHAT?! Blasphemy!! Girls reading manga and I had just gotten over girls being on the internet!

Ha ha! Sorry to break your brain like that! I also play a crapton of video games. Here's another doozy:

Whispers: "I hate Shoujo"

However, I am prone to fits of fangirl squealing, usually brought on by a brutal fight or an epic appearance. Case in point, if you had heard me when I was reading Naruto 431 last night, you'd be laughing. :p

Stop

January 16, 2009, 07:18 PM

Whispers: "I hate Shoujo"

I don't think anyone likes
shoujo.....
On a more serious note I wish my girlfriend was more into the kinds of manga I read
As for Takede looking down on kenichi I thought it was more of a complement
Edit
Kenichi has only been trained for what a year and he's beating guys who trained for years? Good lord

Jath

January 16, 2009, 08:11 PM

On a more serious note I wish my girlfriend was more into the kinds of manga I read
Hell, I wish I had a girlfriend in general, that also like manga/anime. lol

God forbid Takeda and Kenichi start acting like Shiba and Akisame... That would suck! I've read somewhere around 150 manga so far, mostly Shounen. I'm a freak of nature because I'm a 31 year old wife and mother, who greatly enjoys manga and anime about people beating the living crap out of each other.
Yeah, Takeda and Kenichi starting to act liken them would be crazy, but if you do look at it, it does seem like it. It's weird. And 150 manga... Geeses. Not too much on my part. I'm still watching anime to work on myanimelist[.com].

However, I am prone to fits of fangirl squealing, usually brought on by a brutal fight or an epic appearance. Case in point, if you had heard me when I was reading Naruto 431 last night, you'd be laughing.
The funny thing about that is when I first read Naruto 430 is when he showed up as he was and broke the hell out of the first body, I was sitting there like HOLY SHIT! THEY MADE HIM PIMPTASTIC! That was pretty crazy.

Why doesn't manga/anime come out faster. Who cares if they need more resources! I just want it to come out faster to satisfy my manga/anime needs! How sad......

Edit

Kenichi has only been trained for what a year and he's beating guys who trained for years? Good lord
Well hell dude, if I had masters like his, I would probably be doing the same thing. I mean HELL... He IS in Hell.

Ravsieg

January 16, 2009, 10:41 PM

LOL, why? Do I sound like some sort of old maid or something? Wives and mothers enjoy kickass manga, too! :D

Now I'm curious as to what your impression of me was..... ;)

Much to the opposite! xD
Like 99% of the manga followers who actually bother coming down to forums and post their ideas on a big fandom way are people who are maturing mentally and trying to have fun
It's just that when people have a family, manga is the kind of hobbies that usually fall behind. XD That's why I'm surprised, that your life is already filled and stabilized to that point and you still have will and time to heavily contribute on a manga community.

This is too off-topic though! The next chapter should come fast so that I had more to talk about. xp

Jath

January 16, 2009, 10:48 PM

Much to the opposite! xD
Like 99% of the manga followers who actually bother coming down to forums and post their ideas on a big fandom way are people who are maturing mentally and trying to have fun
It's just that when people have a family, manga is the kind of hobbies that usually fall behind. XD That's why I'm surprised, that your life is already filled and stabilized to that point and you still have will and time to heavily contribute on a manga community.

This is too off-topic though! The next chapter should come fast so that I had more to talk about. xp

The past few posts have all been off topic. Unfortunately. And I don't know about that. A lot of people that I have seen(not on this site thank god) have not been mature at all. They still act like idiots, or even troll, etc. Gets kinda annoying. I don't know if I am mature or not, I don't judge myself. All I know is I've been told I'm much more mature than most people my age, and have been since I was around 12.

Anyways. Yeah, like I said in my last post. They got to devise a system that allows manga to come out every day instead of every week. As much as that just sounds so dumb and unrealistic, it would be so nice. :'(

Maphisto40

January 16, 2009, 11:33 PM

Much to the opposite! xD
Like 99% of the manga followers who actually bother coming down to forums and post their ideas on a big fandom way are people who are maturing mentally and trying to have fun
It's just that when people have a family, manga is the kind of hobbies that usually fall behind. XD That's why I'm surprised, that your life is already filled and stabilized to that point and you still have will and time to heavily contribute on a manga community.

This is too off-topic though! The next chapter should come fast so that I had more to talk about. xp
Ahh, gotcha. Yeah, manga is my one true love, and it's free online! Can't get better than that! I'm also a forum junkie, as you well know. :D

Anyways. Yeah, like I said in my last post. They got to devise a system that allows manga to come out every day instead of every week. As much as that just sounds so dumb and unrealistic, it would be so nice. :'(

A wonderful pipe dream...... I'll wish along with you!

ON TOPIC:
Takeda = jerk who steals techniques (still smexy though)
Kenichi = pwnsome, but better step it up
Miu = Just....go sit in a corner over there and look cute. We'll get back to you. :notrust
Tanimoto = stay just like that....perfect

Ravsieg

January 17, 2009, 03:06 PM

Oh my, after re-reading my lost post I'm frightened by the amount of mistakes.
Jeez, my mind hasn't settled on its place lately.

I wish a new videogame on these series came out. xP

sabret00the

January 18, 2009, 01:20 PM

It's probably been discussed to death, but if Takeda and James-Sensei can fake Miyuboshi, why not Ryuusei Seikuuken? I mean, it's simply a matter of taken any old Seikuuken, improving the principals, which are actually suited to boxing aren't they?

As for everyone seeing Takeda as a mini-Kenichi now, i disagree with it. We've seen people using the same moves as Kenichi before, as we've had the fact underlined again and again that Kenichi only does the basics. Given that fact, it goes without saying that while Kenichi will be great at the things he does, Takeda will have a larger moveset with more flamboyance, despite the handicap of all of his moves being either punches or footwork.

maxikki

January 18, 2009, 02:07 PM

keater

January 18, 2009, 03:49 PM

what i want to see is the rematch between kenichi and hermit.do u think jihan is still alive?? since it hasnt been confirm that he is dead, plus i think his servants would try to find him. i hope berseker returns at least once.

Kenichi vs Hermit is not going to happen. It would be too fun to happen...
Yeah an avalanche isn't forgiving. It's bloody hard to find someone in one and if you actually do you'll have to contact a voodoo mage or something. And Berserker was a fun character and is bond to come back at some point, I hope that is.

Maphisto40

January 18, 2009, 04:10 PM

Kenichi vs Hermit is not going to happen. It would be too fun to happen...
Yeah an avalanche isn't forgiving. It's bloody hard to find someone in one and if you actually do you'll have to contact a voodoo mage or something. And Berserker was a fun character and is bond to come back at some point, I hope that is.

I know!!! A Kenichi vs Tanimoto rematch would be just too good to be true! :darn It would be really interesting though, because they have both improved immensely since their last altercation. If it happened, you would hear my squee from across the planet.......ahem.

LMAO voodoo mage. Poor Jihan...he was such a bastard. But yeah, his death was never confirmed, which in manga-speak translates to "likelihood of re-appearance is high". Same with Berserker, he was too cool of a guy to just fade out, especially when all the rest of the Fists are still in the story somewhere.

Epiphany alert: Am I seriously the only female that posts in this thread?!? :blink

keater

January 18, 2009, 04:27 PM

Epiphany alert: Am I seriously the only female that posts in this thread?!? :blink

Uuuuh... yes? If there wasn't any truth in girls not being on the internet and etc. people would't spred it around so much would they :s

sabret00the

January 18, 2009, 05:28 PM

If Kenichi loses, we might get to see Takeda versus Hermit.

Maphisto40

January 18, 2009, 06:27 PM

If Kenichi loses, we might get to see Takeda versus Hermit.

Pretty boy fight!!! Takeda would get his ass handed to him by Tanimoto. Tanimoto does not "hold back" out of friendship, or fear of hurting you too badly. He just dispatches you like the worm you are. :D

@Keater: Nobody told me that rule! I've been in violation for years now! Will they come to get me??? :s

sabret00the

January 18, 2009, 07:12 PM

Pretty boy fight!!! Takeda would get his ass handed to him by Tanimoto. Tanimoto does not "hold back" out of friendship, or fear of hurting you too badly. He just dispatches you like the worm you are. :D

Dems is fightin' words! To the untrained eye, it looks like you said that if Takeda won, it'd only be because of the fact that Kenichi held back?! ;)

Ravsieg

January 18, 2009, 07:17 PM

How would Takeda vs Hermit be likely if Kenichi wins? I'm thinking on that and I can't see how. XD

By the way.. can anyone tell me the chapter where Sieg told his Shinpaku joining story to Tanimoto with a song?

Maphisto40

January 18, 2009, 09:34 PM

Dems is fightin' words! To the untrained eye, it looks like you said that if Takeda won, it'd only be because of the fact that Kenichi held back?! ;)
Ha ha, I guess I am implying that... Sorry, Takeda is pissing me off too much to give him any breaks at the moment. My judgement is impaired, if you will. :amuse

How would Takeda vs Hermit be likely if Kenichi wins? I'm thinking on that and I can't see how. XD

By the way.. can anyone tell me the chapter where Sieg told his Shinpaku joining story to Tanimoto with a song?

He said if Kenichi loses. Tanimoto would probably want to fight Takeda to see how he was able to beat Kenichi, his rival.

The chapter you're looking for is 110: http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/110/17/
That part always makes me laugh! :p

sabret00the

January 19, 2009, 07:06 AM

Ha ha, I guess I am implying that... Sorry, Takeda is pissing me off too much to give him any breaks at the moment. My judgement is impaired, if you will. :amuse

The thing is, i'm sure that 'that' isn't the seikuuken. I'm pretty sure that we're yet to have the true Takeda moves unveiled. That said, you have to remember that Takeda has kinda followed in Kenichi's footsteps up until now, and tends to take everything that little bit further. Underground fighting for example.

keater

January 19, 2009, 08:58 AM

Ravsieg

January 19, 2009, 11:07 AM

Ha ha, I guess I am implying that... Sorry, Takeda is pissing me off too much to give him any breaks at the moment. My judgement is impaired, if you will. :amuse

He said if Kenichi loses. Tanimoto would probably want to fight Takeda to see how he was able to beat Kenichi, his rival.

The chapter you're looking for is 110: http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/110/17/
That part always makes me laugh! :p

Thanks! :) This has got to be saved. XD

Oh I see now. Yet, Tanimoto should at least give Takeda a month's rest or something.

Maphisto40

January 19, 2009, 11:25 AM

The thing is, i'm sure that 'that' isn't the seikuuken. I'm pretty sure that we're yet to have the true Takeda moves unveiled. That said, you have to remember that Takeda has kinda followed in Kenichi's footsteps up until now, and tends to take everything that little bit further. Underground fighting for example.
Yeah, as Keater said, Shiba had Takeda doing underground fighting first, and he mentioned it to Kenichi. Also, as Takeda is a Sei fighter, that has to be Seikūken, even if I do allow that it could be a boxer's version of Ryūsui Seikūken. I agree that Takeda probably has a moveset that he hasn't displayed up 'til now, either because he thinks it's not ready yet, or because he feels he doesn't have to use it (effing hubris). :notrust

Thanks! :) This has got to be saved. XD

Oh I see now. Yet, Tanimoto should at least give Takeda a month's rest or something.

My pleasure! Hey, I can't remember, have you seen the anime yet? Because Sieg is about 10x funnier when you can actually hear him sing! :D

And Tanimoto isn't that merciful. He'd give him like, 3 days tops. ;)

sabret00the

January 19, 2009, 12:15 PM

Yeah, as Keater said, Shiba had Takeda doing underground fighting first, and he mentioned it to Kenichi. Also, as Takeda is a Sei fighter, that has to be Seikūken, even if I do allow that it could be a boxer's version of Ryūsui Seikūken. I agree that Takeda probably has a moveset that he hasn't displayed up 'til now, either because he thinks it's not ready yet, or because he feels he doesn't have to use it (effing hubris). :notrust

My pleasure! Hey, I can't remember, have you seen the anime yet? Because Sieg is about 10x funnier when you can actually hear him sing! :D

And Tanimoto isn't that merciful. He'd give him like, 3 days tops. ;)
Does the fact that you want Hermit to be considered Kenichi's true rival, play a part in your current outlook towards Takeda?

Maphisto40

January 19, 2009, 12:42 PM

Does the fact that you want Hermit to be considered Kenichi's true rival, play a part in your current outlook towards Takeda?

If you mean, would I rather have Tanimoto be Kenichi's true rival and not Takeda, then hell yes. I still cannot wrap my brain around Takeda being that strong, it seems wrong somehow....like he's stepped out of character for a moment, and I'm just waiting for him to go back to normal. That's probably not fair, but it's how I feel. :amuse

Ravsieg

January 19, 2009, 01:59 PM

Takeda was bound to evolve this much as soon as he appeared. Charismatic, good natured and gifted despite injury barriers. So, I just take it as natural he's now one of the strongest of his generation.

Yes I saw the anime before the manga actually XD

Franckie

January 19, 2009, 02:13 PM

Actually Keinichi went to fight Underground after hearing about it from Takeda. Besides obviously Takeda isn't following Keinichis footsteps, for still going with boxing for the very least. He's just a copy cat...

That only move that Takeda has copied is Kenichi's Mubyoshi. We know he didn't copy Ryusui Seikuken from Kenichi since he's never seen Kenichi use that move before. IMO - Takeda's sensei copied it after he had fought Saiga and taught it to Takeda.

I also don't see what's the problem with people being a "copycat" in this series. It's the best means to improve oneself as we've seen Valkyrie, Alexander, and especially Kenichi become stronger thanks to copying someone else's moves.

Maphisto40

January 19, 2009, 02:32 PM

I also don't see what's the problem with people being a "copycat" in this series. It's the best means to improve oneself as we've seen Valkyrie, Alexander, and especially Kenichi become stronger thanks to copying someone else's moves.
I understand that, but it truly bothers me when someone copies a technique and then turns around and uses it on the originator. I'm not sure why that bothers me so much.... :oh

sabret00the

January 19, 2009, 03:16 PM

Takeda was never weak though, even on the island of the last arc he wasn't weak. He's just lacked sufficient opportunity to show his might. I've always thought that he would end up as the second strongest member of Shinpaku
[hr]

I understand that, but it truly bothers me when someone copies a technique and then turns around and uses it on the originator. I'm not sure why that bothers me so much.... :oh
Woah, Takeda used Seikuuken on Kenichi, not Elder ;)

Maphisto40

January 19, 2009, 03:45 PM

Woah, Takeda used Seikuuken on Kenichi, not Elder ;)

Sorry, I was referring to Mubyoshi. That one is all Kenichi's. ;)

Ravsieg

January 20, 2009, 12:01 PM

It'd be interesting watching Takeda trying to use Seikuken against the elder though. 0,001% asswhooping.

Yup using the move against the originator is bothering. It just gives a feel of lack of originality.

Maphisto40

January 20, 2009, 12:40 PM

Yup using the move against the originator is bothering. It just gives a feel of lack of originality.

You know, it evokes a feeling of "Nyah! I can do it too! See?" *sticks out tongue*

Kinda....childish....:darn

keater

January 20, 2009, 01:25 PM

You know, it evokes a feeling of "Nyah! I can do it too! See?" *sticks out tongue*

Kinda....childish....:darn

Nope definetly lack of originality. It's like "I'm too dumb to do something new, so I'm just gonna copy something a saw, but do it lorse."

Maphisto40

January 20, 2009, 02:38 PM

Nope definetly lack of originality. It's like "I'm too dumb to do something new, so I'm just gonna copy something a saw, but do it lorse."

He he, I wasn't disagreeing, just adding to it. It is definitely unoriginal! :p

Ravsieg

January 20, 2009, 03:14 PM

LOL!!

I get your point of the childish rivalry. I hadn't thought about that but it has a lot of logic in it.

You can expect imitations when a character is clearly a protagonist's avid devoté or even disciple, but I mean, doesn't Takeda consider himself Kenichi's rival? (just like half the cast) It's not by copying his rival he's getting one better, so.. it does give out the feel of lack of originality plus childish mind games yeah. xD

keater

January 20, 2009, 03:34 PM

So basicly Takeda is childish and unoriginal. Yay for character development...

Maledicente

January 20, 2009, 03:51 PM

Now that History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi scanlations have been released on a regular basis for about two months, does anyone knows if it is up to date to the actual chapter on the last shonen sunday?

As we all know (or should) Shonen Sunday is actualy released on wednesdays. So, should we expect raws tomorrow?

Ravsieg

January 20, 2009, 04:07 PM

So basicly Takeda is childish and unoriginal. Yay for character development...

His character development was going on nicely but it's taken a little hit now..
[hr]

Now that History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi scanlations have been released on a regular basis for about two months, does anyone knows if it is up to date to the actual chapter on the last shonen sunday?

As we all know (or should) Shonen Sunday is actualy released on wednesdays. So, should we expect raws tomorrow?

It is up to date indeed, if anything because as soon as we get the raws it gets scanlated.. while months ago we had the raws already coming even though the scanlation was over 50 chapters late.

Maphisto40

January 20, 2009, 04:27 PM

So basicly Takeda is childish and unoriginal. Yay for character development...
That sounds about right, yeah. ;) Damn, I'm being so harsh....meh, he'd better get back on track, and I mean soon.

Now that History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi scanlations have been released on a regular basis for about two months, does anyone knows if it is up to date to the actual chapter on the last shonen sunday?

As we all know (or should) Shonen Sunday is actualy released on wednesdays. So, should we expect raws tomorrow?
Yes, as Ravsieg said, we are all caught up to Japan now, hooray! So tomorrow, come quickly!!! My friends and I on another forum are counting the hours.....we love this series a bit too much, methinks. :p

MariosX

January 20, 2009, 07:44 PM

Maphisto40

January 20, 2009, 08:17 PM

Hey guys call me crazy if you want...
This manga is all about Martial Arts right? So my questions are these:
1) From what've already seen are these based on Real Martial Arts and can the be done in real life? Like Seikuhen , the strenght of the elder and stuff..

Every single move shown so far is based in reality. You may not be able to see it in real life, but the Seikūken exists. The Elder's strength though I'm sure is exaggerated for humor purposes. He's a superhuman, lol. ;)

My husband is a martial artist, so I've always been interested in all styles.

keater

January 21, 2009, 07:42 AM

Hey guys call me crazy if you want...
This manga is all about Martial Arts right? So my questions are these:
1) From what've already seen are these based on Real Martial Arts and can the be done in real life? Like Seikuhen , the strenght of the elder and stuff..

The Seikuken is based on an Aikido term, meaning the range in withch you can be effective at any moment, at least I think so. As for the other stuff , they are based on real moves, with some exaggeration. But basicly all the things you see here are based around some real tehnique or fighting style.

sabret00the

January 21, 2009, 10:01 AM

Maphisto40

January 21, 2009, 10:27 AM

You know for all of the moaning about Takeda being a copycat, I believe that Kenichi said it best:
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/140/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/140/15/

Blargh!!!! I'm gonna be one stubborn bitch here. I feel it's not quite the same thing. Kenichi was already mixing his masters' styles from the get-go. All he did was switch between the pure forms to confuse Odin. Takeda on the other hand, is a boxer. He stepped completely out of his own style when he copied Mubyoshi, which is a combination of Karate, Muay Thai, Jujutsu, and Chinese Kenpō. It reeks of.......something. I seriously can't put my finger on it.

It....just....irks....me.:notrust

sabret00the

January 21, 2009, 10:49 AM

Blargh!!!! I'm gonna be one stubborn bitch here. I feel it's not quite the same thing. Kenichi was already mixing his masters' styles from the get-go. All he did was switch between the pure forms to confuse Odin. Takeda on the other hand, is a boxer. He stepped completely out of his own style when he copied Mubyoshi, which is a combination of Karate, Muay Thai, Jujutsu, and Chinese Kenpō. It reeks of.......something. I seriously can't put my finger on it.

It....just....irks....me.:notrust
But it's been stated that it's not actually Mubyoshi and is in fact and imitation/something similar. That makes use of his upper body muscles in total. Where as Mubyoshi is about combining styles. But are used to create a rhythm-less punch that can be used in extremely close-quartered fighting. Thus, pretty much the only similarities are the swirly drawings around the characters arms and upper body.

BTW, where we like it or not, the Akisame-style quote still stands as relevant given that it's about the fundamentals of martial arts, rather than just about Kenichi or his fight there.

barril

January 21, 2009, 10:53 AM

Should't we be getting a chapter today? C'mon I'm getting impatient here.

Maphisto40

January 21, 2009, 11:03 AM

But it's been stated that it's not actually Mubyoshi and is in fact and imitation/something similar. That makes use of his upper body muscles in total. Where as Mubyoshi is about combining styles. But are used to create a rhythm-less punch that can be used in extremely close-quartered fighting. Thus, pretty much the only similarities are the swirly drawings around the characters arms and upper body.

BTW, where we like it or not, the Akisame-style quote still stands as relevant given that it's about the fundamentals of martial arts, rather than just about Kenichi or his fight there.

Quit punching holes in my argument with logic! :p

I'm pissed at Takeda and don't feel like changing my mind at present. I know, I know, Akisame's quote is absolutely full of truth, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. It's like that quote from Jurassic Park: "They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."

I just can't wait for today's chapter!!! :darn

Rogue_Sapphire

January 21, 2009, 11:35 AM

Maphisto40

January 21, 2009, 12:21 PM

I hope it comes out soon too. Been staying up all night for this thing, any longer and I'll have to sleep. It's 4am, and in 3 more episodes I'll run out of How I Met Your Mother to watch.
And then translation is delayed until I awake D:

Oh noes!!!! Hurry up RAW provider! Thank you so much for your awesome work translating HSD Kenichi, Rogue_Sapphire! *bows* :D

MariosX

January 21, 2009, 01:16 PM

Rogue_Sapphire better go sleep! Being Healthy comes first!

keater

January 21, 2009, 01:25 PM

Rogue_Sapphire better go sleep! Being Healthy comes first!

Are you for real? You would consider advising someone to rest when there is Keinichi on the way? Blasphemer! Joking, but I'm really looking forward to this weeks chapter. If it's not epic, I'm gonna torch something 'sigh'...

Rogue_Sapphire

January 21, 2009, 01:43 PM

Ok. Ran out of patience. Knowing my luck. Within an hour it'll be released after I sleep.
I'll try setting my alarm in 2 hours and seeing my luck. Otherwise, not a super-fast translation :(

Maledicente

January 21, 2009, 01:43 PM

Rogue_Sapphire better go sleep! Being Healthy comes first!

Sir, I think we spoted a saboteur. Awaiting further instructions. Target on sight.

maxikki

January 21, 2009, 03:15 PM

need the chapter, must read it or i'll die

Maphisto40

January 21, 2009, 03:22 PM

need the chapter, must read it or i'll die

^ I echo this sentiment! My future happiness is fully dependent on how quickly I can get an infusion of HSD Kenichi!!!! :s

Joke post is a joke. But seriously, I neeeeeeeeds it!

Ravsieg

January 21, 2009, 04:35 PM

Ahaha!!
Rogue_Sapphire, everyone on this thread is already extremely thankful for what you've been doing, I don't think anyone should complain about like 5 or 6 hours!

MariosX

January 21, 2009, 05:31 PM

Hahaha!! Don't blame me guys! Rogue_Sapphire sures does a magnificent work about Kenichi that's why we should show some respect because he is a person and as the rest of us he needs rest!

Gourab

January 21, 2009, 10:17 PM

the raw is out ... so can i expect a quick translation
and thanks in advance to the translator

Maphisto40

January 22, 2009, 12:23 AM

Well, Rogue_Sapphire went to sleep close to 12 hours ago, so I'd expect the translation at any time now. :p

Thank you again Rogue_Sapphire!!! ｹﾝｲﾁ愛 :D

sabret00the

January 22, 2009, 04:41 AM

Trans it out.

keater

January 22, 2009, 06:16 AM

A wonderful ending. Keinichi won, Takeda is strong, everyone is happy. Im'm sorry I ever doubted the story progression. Heh HSD rules.

sabret00the

January 22, 2009, 07:01 AM

The end was kinda heart breaking. Well done to both fighters. I look forward to seeing how the lessons learned will manifest themselves in the future fights.

giovanni8787

January 22, 2009, 07:37 AM

A wonderful ending. Keinichi won, Takeda is strong, everyone is happy. Im'm sorry I ever doubted the story progression. Heh HSD rules.
you call it wonderful? tsè...
this is not good...not good at all, i not satisfied with just this,kenichi should have crushed him.Surely he showed he is better at ryuusei seikuuken than takeda,but everyone was expecting that.I would have liked this fight better if ken-chan had crashed him. IMHO this is just a half-victory.
Bah...

sabret00the

January 22, 2009, 07:49 AM

you call it wonderful? tsè...
this is not good...not good at all, i not satisfied with just this,kenichi should have crushed him.Surely he showed he is better at ryuusei seikuuken than takeda,but everyone was expecting that.I would have liked this fight better if ken-chan had crashed him. IMHO this is just a half-victory.
Bah...
Meh, Kenichi would've crushed him. He was shocked by Takeda's aura but ultimately his knee would've happily ended Takeda. If not for the masters' intervention, Takeda would've left the ring on the stretcher.

Maphisto40

January 22, 2009, 10:47 AM

Maledicente

January 22, 2009, 01:43 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Ok, now that's over with. Sabret00the, you're the man! You called the masters ending the fight, and you were right!! *thumbs up*

I liked this fight a lot. Holy crap, they're at "Shockwave Orbit" level now! I also loved that Kenichi took both of Takeda's "Auto Rhythm" attacks, and returned with a reverse Mubyoshi. That was sick!!! Takeda has a lot to learn still, and is very lucky that Shiba and Akisame stepped in, or he'd be waking up a week from now in the hospital.

One last thing, I found it hilarious that Kenichi got a taste of the aura that he himself puts off when he refuses to go down. It totally freaked him out! LMAO

Ok, maybe one more: Shiba without a mustache next week!!!!

On a completely unrelated note, I made this HSDK avatar for fun yesterday, for use on my BleachAnime.org account (darn 80x80 limit). I colored them all myself, with my mad Photoshop skillzzz. :eyeroll
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/HSDK-Avatar.gif
I'm their resident HSDK freak, and I'm slowly converting others...mwahahaha!

I expect something more on the lines of "The fight is not yours to concede. We agreed to stop this fight for the sake of our pupils."

Although it makes sense since nobody wants a crippled Takeda (again) or Kenichi with that kind of weight on his conscience, it's soooooo Lame, but possible anyhow.

The reverse Mubyoshi is great. Does that means Kenichi can use it anyway he wants now?

Ah, one more thing: now we know Takeda was realy fighting for the right of going out with Miu (!). Not that she knows or even seems to care. Perharps its the clue for him geting a romantic interest other than her as others alike (i.e., Kisara & Ukita, Siegfried & Niijima...).

fluke32

January 22, 2009, 03:26 PM

I agree wholeheartedly about how awesome the Reverse Mubyoshi was. It was also very nice to see that Kenichi was able to combine the first martial arts technique he had ever learned (Hakkei which was taught to him by Miu), and the very first technique he developed (Mubyoshi) into one coherent strike!

Nognir

January 22, 2009, 05:42 PM

It was sparring, not a deathmatch, I think anyone that has read a boxing manga (or experienced sparring in martial arts) can tell the difference. It's about honing one's skills, not bringing the opponent down

Stop

January 22, 2009, 06:13 PM

I have to say I did not see that move coming. *BAH only the main character can have the shonen power up/endurance how dare they make him afraid*

It was sparring, not a deathmatch, I think anyone that has read a boxing manga (or experienced sparring in martial arts) can tell the difference. It's about honing one's skills, not bringing the opponent down

Haha I almost completely forgot that I got to caught up in the manga

Jath

January 22, 2009, 09:22 PM

I have to say I did not see that move coming. *BAH only the main character can have the shonen power up/endurance how dare they make him afraid*

Haha I almost completely forgot that I got to caught up in the manga

I kind of saw the move coming, considering he has used it in quite a few battles, but I didn't actually see it being used how he used it. lol

And yeah, catching up to the manga sucks bad. It makes you want to read and read and read and read until your done. Then when you're done, you're filled with that satisfaction, but still want more. :'( It's a sad revolving world when you run out.

Ah, one more thing: now we know Takeda was realy fighting for the right of going out with Miu (!). Not that she knows or even seems to care. Perharps its the clue for him geting a romantic interest other than her as others alike (i.e., Kisara & Ukita, Siegfried & Niijima...).

I will say, I was surprised when he got back up and did the same thing Kenichi does to everyone else. It was awesome. And yeah, guess he really was trying to go out with Miu. Or it's just that he wanted to win that fight really badly so he could boast. lol

Ravsieg

January 22, 2009, 09:49 PM

This fight really ended up with me liking it more than I expected. Takeda was obviously going to lose, but at least he's very dignified on that. Now, Renka, go tend to the boy and life in happiness with him forever.
And Kenichi, you idiot, take advantage of being able to keep the right to protect Miu by confessing yourself to her already.

Now, half a chapter for love / heartbreak from both these 2 over Miu, and after that.. where is the plot heading to? XD

Rogue_Sapphire

January 23, 2009, 12:03 AM

Maphisto40

January 23, 2009, 12:12 AM

Oho, nice avatars. Think you can make me one that has ケンイチ愛 in it, possibly with boris or the penguin in it?

Thank you! How could I possibly refuse the request of our epic HSDK translator? :D I'm currently working on several requests for a different forum, but yours would be a lot less complex, so I'll move it up my schedule! ;)

Do you have any color preferences for the text?

sabret00the

January 23, 2009, 08:13 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Ok, now that's over with. Sabret00the, you're the man! You called the masters ending the fight, and you were right!! *thumbs up*Thank you. It was a fitting end. I really liked that Shiba took responsibility for the loss.

Rogue_Sapphire

January 23, 2009, 10:44 AM

Thank you! How could I possibly refuse the request of our epic HSDK translator? :D I'm currently working on several requests for a different forum, but yours would be a lot less complex, so I'll move it up my schedule! ;)

Do you have any color preferences for the text?
Not really no. Nothing too girly I suppose?

Maphisto40

January 23, 2009, 11:44 AM

Not really no. Nothing too girly I suppose?

LOL, I can handle that, seeing as I'm just about the least girly female I know. ;)

Ravsieg, if Kenichi mans up that much, I will add "Ravsieg is the man" to my signature for an entire month. :p

Maledicente

January 23, 2009, 11:45 AM

On a second note I believe Shiba-sensei needs to lose his mustache urgently. He looks way too much like Whitebeard from One Piece.

Ravsieg

January 23, 2009, 02:51 PM

LOL, I can handle that, seeing as I'm just about the least girly female I know. ;)

Ravsieg, if Kenichi mans up that much, I will add "Ravsieg is the man" to my signature for an entire month. :p

lol!
That's another big reason as to why I want it to happen now.
By the way, on your animated signature, do you have a 100x100 version of that Shinpaku icon? XD

Maphisto40

January 23, 2009, 03:12 PM

lol!
That's another big reason as to why I want it to happen now.
By the way, on your animated signature, do you have a 100x100 version of that Shinpaku icon? XD

No, but I can make one in like, 10 seconds! I made a render of the Shinpaku logo that's 673x659 so that I can use it wherever I want. What color would you like? I'm working on Rogue_Sapphire's as we speak. ;)

EDIT: Rogue_Sapphire, here's your avatars. I made one each of both Boris and the penguin, and one with both as a GIF. I got the Boris color references from the cover of volume 20, which has him on the back.
Boris>>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/BorisIvanov.png Penguin>>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Penguin.png Boris & Penguin>>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Boris-Penguin.gif

I love Boris!! He's my favorite YOMI! :D

Rogue_Sapphire

January 24, 2009, 04:55 AM

No, but I can make one in like, 10 seconds! I made a render of the Shinpaku logo that's 673x659 so that I can use it wherever I want. What color would you like? I'm working on Rogue_Sapphire's as we speak. ;)

EDIT: Rogue_Sapphire, here's your avatars. I made one each of both Boris and the penguin, and one with both as a GIF. I got the Boris color references from the cover of volume 20, which has him on the back.
Boris>>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/BorisIvanov.png Penguin>>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Penguin.png Boris & Penguin>>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Boris-Penguin.gif

I love Boris!! He's my favorite YOMI! :D
Ok. Now those are some awesome avatars. Thanks heaps :3
Only go on two forums, so is it alright if I use the penguin one of the jcafe boards? Gonna have to steal that one before anyone else uses it >_>

Also Boris is my favourite too. Much better then all the others

Ravsieg

January 24, 2009, 06:50 AM

How about dark red? ^^

Maphisto40

January 24, 2009, 10:16 AM

Ok. Now those are some awesome avatars. Thanks heaps :3
Only go on two forums, so is it alright if I use the penguin one of the jcafe boards? Gonna have to steal that one before anyone else uses it >_>

Also Boris is my favourite too. Much better then all the others
Yay! I'm glad you like them! And of course you can use them wherever you want, I made them just for you. ;)

Boris is teh awesomeness. :amuse

How about dark red? ^^

OMG, I seriously knew you were going to say red! Dangit, I should have listened to my intuition and just made it. Oh well, off to make it now. :p

EDIT: Ravsieg, here's your avatar! I made two because I wasn't sure if you just wanted the logo or not. I always keep the PSD file, so if you don't like the spotlight, or anything else, I can change it. :D
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/ShinpakuRed.png http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/ShinpakuLogoRed.png
Shinpaku!!!

Ravsieg

January 24, 2009, 04:01 PM

They're AWESOME! :D

Thanks a lot really! :D

Ahaha I don't really like regular red much! But dark red is one of my favorite combination trio of colors. XD turquoise, silver and dark red.

sabret00the

January 25, 2009, 06:33 PM

I've been wondering for a while, with HSDK's popularity, how comes there's never any spoilers posted from 2ch?

Maphisto40

January 25, 2009, 08:08 PM

They're AWESOME! :D

Thanks a lot really! :D

Ahaha I don't really like regular red much! But dark red is one of my favorite combination trio of colors. XD turquoise, silver and dark red.
Ha ha, glad you like it! Hmmm, I think I need to make myself a new avatar... I like to change it up sorta often. ;)

I've been wondering for a while, with HSDK's popularity, how comes there's never any spoilers posted from 2ch?

That's a very good question, actually. One that I have no answer to. But is HSDK really that popular yet? Most manga readers I know still haven't heard of it, which I'm trying to rectify. :amuse

sabret00the

January 25, 2009, 08:36 PM

Well my thinking is more along the lines of the big three for WSS being Kekkaishi, Detective Conan and HSDK.

Rogue_Sapphire

January 26, 2009, 12:05 AM

Well my thinking is more along the lines of the big three for WSS being Kekkaishi, Detective Conan and HSDK.
There's also Major. Mixim strangely has early raws, a lot of people like Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai. And can't forget about Hayate.

...I have a WSS subscription >_>;

Maphisto40

January 26, 2009, 12:54 AM

There's also Major. Mixim strangely has early raws, a lot of people like Kami nomi Shiru Sekai. And can't forget about Hayate.

...I have a WSS subscription >_>;

I adore MiXiM, but that's because I've been a huge Anzai Nobuyuki fan ever since I read Flame of Recca (one of my all-time favorite manga).

On topic: I got another friend to read HSDK, and he's enjoying it immensely so far. He just finished Shigure's backstory......and loves her. Anytime Shigure does anything, he's all over it! :p He also loves Kisara. Of course the best parts are the fighting and humor for him, but the fanservice makes him a happy little camper! (He's 18) :eyeroll

Zarion

January 26, 2009, 12:17 PM

Just got off the gym and now I'm really, really pumped. So, is the next chapter coming soon or what?

Maphisto40

January 26, 2009, 12:37 PM

Just got off the gym and now I'm really, really pumped. So, is the next chapter coming soon or what?

It comes out every Wednesday, so just two more days to wait! I wonder what's going to happen next? :3

P.S. Don't forget to wipe off your sweat so you don't catch cold. ;)

Maledicente

January 26, 2009, 03:32 PM

Ha ha, glad you like it! Hmmm, I think I need to make myself a new avatar... I like to change it up sorta often. ;)

That's a very good question, actually. One that I have no answer to. But is HSDK really that popular yet? Most manga readers I know still haven't heard of it, which I'm trying to rectify. :amuse

Dunno about its populariy in Japan, but HSDK is the 4th most popular on www.onemanga.com ranking. I believe its quite something `cause it loses only to the super trio of WSJ, i.e., naruto (kinda like it), one piece (w00t!!!!!!!) and bleach (stinks! how could it have so many fans? It sucks!!!).

Weekly Shonen Jump is realeased on wednesdays, just like Weekly Shonen Sunday, so we can (can't we?) conclude that somewhere somehow somebody get hando of WSJ before its official release.

sabret00the

January 26, 2009, 04:40 PM

Dunno about its populariy in Japan, but HSDK is the 4th most popular on www.onemanga.com ranking. I believe its quite something `cause it loses only to the super trio of WSJ, i.e., naruto (kinda like it), one piece (w00t!!!!!!!) and bleach (stinks! how could it have so many fans? It sucks!!!).

Weekly Shonen Jump is realeased on wednesdays, just like Weekly Shonen Sunday, so we can (can't we?) conclude that somewhere somehow somebody get hando of WSJ before its official release.
To be fair, pretty much anything can jump up the onemanga rankings if there's a flood of releases. I know that OM consider their top four manga to be the WSJ trio plus Vampire Knight. The lack of consistency in regards to Air Gear releases cost it it's place in the top four. :(

Wait till summer and i reckon the mangas that will be battling out for fifth position will be HSD Kenichi, Kekkaishi, Bakuman, Air Gear and FMA. HxH will always be in the top ten due to it's release schedule. Reborn is too sometimes in terms of quality, not to mention that releases seem to take forever to get onto OM, same with a hand full of others that should be in the top ten but aren't.

Ravsieg

January 26, 2009, 07:02 PM

To be honest I find Bleach to be the only really good one in that trio. Naruto and One Piece are so plain, easy to follow and lacking the need of a brain that it hurts.

Stop

January 26, 2009, 08:24 PM

To be honest I find Bleach to be the only really good one in that trio. Naruto and One Piece are so plain, easy to follow and lacking the need of a brain that it hurts.

I use to like bleach then one day I was like what kind of shit am I reading.
no offense to you
to me it had lots of potential but then just blew it. i'm just gonna read the last chapter and call it day just so I can see how it ends

Jath

January 26, 2009, 09:01 PM

Gourab

January 26, 2009, 10:55 PM

I think in OM the rating is according to how much a manga is read.
And HSDK is a kind of manga which when one starts reading can't let go
At least that happened to me , i read 300 chapters in 3 days.

:p and may be that gave it a boost in the rank :p

Maphisto40

January 27, 2009, 12:40 AM

I use to like bleach then one day I was like what kind of shit am I reading.
no offense to you
to me it had lots of potential but then just blew it. i'm just gonna read the last chapter and call it day just so I can see how it ends

I'm still kind of into Bleach, but it's pretty hard to stay interested when no one dies. I know that's a really harsh thing to say, but it kind of kills the realism of it(even though it's had none so far anyways). Like in Naruto, they don't aim to kill, but the bad guys seem to kill someone anyways. Plus, it's seeming to get a little repetitive IMO.
Yeah, I LOVED Bleach at first, all the way up until they went to Hueco Mundo to rescue Orihime. Then it started to go downhill, with the only high point (for me) being the final Ichigo vs Grimmjow fight. As it stands right now, Kubo-sensei is dragging out the Fake Kurakura Town arc so badly that I just don't give a crap anymore. It's like, ok......just FIGHT ALREADY! RELEASE ALREADY! ARGH!!! Sorry, Bleach has been pissing me off a lot lately. :notrust

Naruto on the other hand has been so epic lately that it's the first Jump release I look for every week. It is pwning the crap out of Bleach in terms of pacing and action. :amuse

I don't read One Piece, so I can't comment on that. It is on my to-read-list though...

I think in OM the rating is according to how much a manga is read.
And HSDK is a kind of manga which when one starts reading can't let go
At least that happened to me , i read 300 chapters in 3 days.

:p and may be that gave it a boost in the rank :p
Yep, all the people I've ever turned on to HSDK have had a hard time pacing themselves when they read it (myself included). It's always "One more chapter.....ok, one more chapter!" :p

sabret00the

January 27, 2009, 03:43 AM

To be honest I find Bleach to be the only really good one in that trio. Naruto and One Piece are so plain, easy to follow and lacking the need of a brain that it hurts.
You have got to be trolling with this post. Sa what you will about any of the big trio, but never in a million years, does Bleach require more brain cells than One Piece.

Maledicente

January 27, 2009, 08:09 AM

You have got to be trolling with this post. Sa what you will about any of the big trio, but never in a million years, does Bleach require more brain cells than One Piece.

Actualy I believe that what you need to appreciate the total insane and nonsensical comedy present in one piece is the ability to not take everything so serious, to be able to laugh about yourself, a feature almost absent in fanboys, people who takes everything too serius and others no brainers alike.

If you take, per exemple, Monty Python, whose movies are considered some of the greatest comedy of all time, all you'll find is nonsense on 99% of screen time. Certainly a more wordly type, but surely nonsense.

In the end one piece have all the classic shounen features plus the kind of humor we find at early days dragon ball multiplied by 100. If you're not very much into comedy there`s no way you could enjoy one piece. And it`s also a bad thing 'cause we all need a good laugh, you know.

That is just my humble opinion, of course.

Sorry if I'm feeding the troll, I'm just trying to ease the pre-release anxiety.

sabret00the

January 27, 2009, 08:40 AM

Actualy I believe that what you need to appreciate the total insane and nonsensical comedy present in one piece is the ability to not take everything so serious, to be able to laugh about yourself, a feature almost absent in fanboys, people who takes everything too serius and others no brainers alike.

If you take, per exemple, Monty Python, whose movies are considered some of the greatest comedy of all time, all you'll find is nonsense on 99% of screen time. Certainly a more wordly type, but surely nonsense.

In the end one piece have all the classic shounen features plus the kind of humor we find at early days dragon ball multiplied by 100. If you're not very much into comedy there`s no way you could enjoy one piece. And it`s also a bad thing 'cause we all need a good laugh, you know.

That is just my humble opinion, of course.

Sorry if I'm feeding the troll, I'm just trying to easy the pre-release anxiety.
haha, i wasn't that vested in the statement really. Each to their own and all that. I mean i'm a fan of Kekkashi and i pretty believe that in order to find it's way, it took the best features of Naruto and elaborated. That said, i do feel that in One Piece, the audience isn't half as spoon fed as Naruto or Bleach. But then again, Bleach has an uphill battle to fight in regards to any analysis given the fact that it's pacing is around 1/100 of that of Naruto.

Gourab

January 27, 2009, 08:58 AM

Don't know whether i should ask this or not......but do we have any HSDK spoiler thread ........i am really anxious
:)

zefur

January 27, 2009, 09:07 AM

u want spoilers huh well here u go

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=49112&page=82

Maphisto40

January 27, 2009, 09:32 AM

u want spoilers huh well here u go

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=49112&page=82

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Kenichi-Shock-BA1.gif SPOILERS!!!

*does this >>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Kenichi-Headbutt-BA1.gif to keep herself from reading them*

Ravsieg

January 27, 2009, 09:51 AM

Maphisto40

January 27, 2009, 10:34 AM

If I weren't into comedy, Kenichi would never ever be my favorite manga since comedy is pretty much everything it's got going for it. XD As for One Piece.. I find its type of comedy absolutely no-brainer, boring and not funny at all.
Human tastes vary, isn't it? XD

Hmm... I break HSDK down like this:

1. Humor - Absolutely the best thing about this series. No manga has made me laugh as much as HSDK, not even Flame of Recca.

2. Characters - There are so many awesome ones that you're sure to find a favorite, I don't care who you are.

3. Martial Arts - 99% of the techniques in this series are doable in real life. It's soooo nice for once to not have a fantasy/magical/overpowered protagonist.

4. Believable Progression - You see exactly how hard Kenichi constantly trains to get as good as he is, and you know he still has room to improve. There's been no Bleach-style plotkai so far for me, like Ichigo's out-of-nowhere powerups (ooo fear the power of my magical resolve and/or instant conversations with my zanpakutou/inner hollow!!!). :eyeroll

5. Epic Fights - And last but certainly not least, EPIC FIGHTS! I absolutely adore the fights in this series, and practically tear my hair out waiting for the next chapter now. My favorites so far have been Tanimoto vs Berserker, Kenichi vs Jihan, Kenichi vs Shou (final), and every single one of Kenichi vs Boris (I adore Boris).

Maledicente

January 27, 2009, 11:01 AM

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Kenichi-Shock-BA1.gif SPOILERS!!!

*does this >>>http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/HSD%20Kenichi/Kenichi-Headbutt-BA1.gif to keep herself from reading them*

Too late for me. I joined the dark side long ago. And since we can't unsee things, I have no regrets.

The spoiler have only 3 pages and no translation but I suspect the whole awesomeness of the chapter is therein condensed.

Rogue_Sapphire

January 27, 2009, 11:39 AM

Too late for me. I joined the dark side long ago. And since we can't unsee things, I have no regrets.

The spoiler have only 3 pages and no translation but I suspect the whole awesomeness of the chapter is therein condensed.
Spoiler translation...cause I couldn't get to sleep.
Spoiler page 1:
Akisame: There is no way that the loser can forget about the promise to shave his moustache.
Akisame: That would be completely impossible!! For the sake of your disciple your moustache...rather the match was thrown away
Everyone: He's forgotten about it.

Spoiler page 2:
James: Fuhahahaha, farewell!! I don't want to shake hands or shave my moustache!!

Spoiler page 3:
Akisame: Chase him Shigure!! Turn him into a bald man!!

sabret00the

January 27, 2009, 12:18 PM

Hmm... I break HSDK down like this:

1. Humor - Absolutely the best thing about this series. No manga has made me laugh as much as HSDK, not even Flame of Recca.

2. Characters - There are so many awesome ones that you're sure to find a favorite, I don't care who you are.

3. Martial Arts - 99% of the techniques in this series are doable in real life. It's soooo nice for once to not have a fantasy/magical/overpowered protagonist.

4. Believable Progression - You see exactly how hard Kenichi constantly trains to get as good as he is, and you know he still has room to improve. There's been no Bleach-style plotkai so far for me, like Ichigo's out-of-nowhere powerups (ooo fear the power of my magical resolve and/or instant conversations with my zanpakutou/inner hollow!!!). :eyeroll

5. Epic Fights - And last but certainly not least, EPIC FIGHTS! I absolutely adore the fights in this series, and practically tear my hair out waiting for the next chapter now. My favorites so far have been Tanimoto vs Berserker, Kenichi vs Jihan, Kenichi vs Shou (final), and every single one of Kenichi vs Boris (I adore Boris).

Funnily enough, i view OP as an adventure manga and this as a battle manga. Neither are particularly funny to me. Though if i had to say which one made me laugh more, then it's OP^10. I've said that something is epic in Kenichi a lot more of late though.

Franckie

January 27, 2009, 04:28 PM

Hmm... I break HSDK down like this:

1. Humor - Absolutely the best thing about this series. No manga has made me laugh as much as HSDK, not even Flame of Recca.

2. Characters - There are so many awesome ones that you're sure to find a favorite, I don't care who you are.

3. Martial Arts - 99% of the techniques in this series are doable in real life. It's soooo nice for once to not have a fantasy/magical/overpowered protagonist.

4. Believable Progression - You see exactly how hard Kenichi constantly trains to get as good as he is, and you know he still has room to improve. There's been no Bleach-style plotkai so far for me, like Ichigo's out-of-nowhere powerups (ooo fear the power of my magical resolve and/or instant conversations with my zanpakutou/inner hollow!!!). :eyeroll

5. Epic Fights - And last but certainly not least, EPIC FIGHTS! I absolutely adore the fights in this series, and practically tear my hair out waiting for the next chapter now. My favorites so far have been Tanimoto vs Berserker, Kenichi vs Jihan, Kenichi vs Shou (final), and every single one of Kenichi vs Boris (I adore Boris).

I agree with all of your points with the exception of #4. As we all know, Kenichi has been competing (and even defeating!) against people who routinely undergo training similar to what he experiences, extremely talented, and taught by the most powerful fighters in the world even though (1) he has 0 talent and (2) only one year's worth of martial arts experience.

Kenichi's progression warrants skepticism, though I often find myself not caring since (1) the humor is great, (2) a few of the characters are GAR personified, (3) the inclusion of so many martial arts, and (4) the EPIC fights. :p

Maphisto40

January 27, 2009, 09:28 PM

I agree with all of your points with the exception of #4. As we all know, Kenichi has been competing (and even defeating!) against people who routinely undergo training similar to what he experiences, extremely talented, and taught by the most powerful fighters in the world even though (1) he has 0 talent and (2) only one year's worth of martial arts experience.

Kenichi's progression warrants skepticism, though I often find myself not caring since (1) the humor is great, (2) a few of the characters are GAR personified, (3) the inclusion of so many martial arts, and (4) the EPIC fights. :p

Hmmm.. I can see where you're coming from, but I still think it's a lot more believable than 90% of the manga I read. I also feel that Kenichi's masters don't truly think that he has zero talent, but will never say it to Kenichi, for fear that he would start to slack off in his training. Remember way back during his initial Seikūken training, Isshinsai Ogata (Kensei) felt he had a huge amount of potential just waiting to be tapped. Besides, Kenichi is a master at hard work, which as we know, will overcome talent in the end. :amuse

Just my thoughts... ;)

En Yang Ji

January 27, 2009, 09:51 PM

Kenichi is different. Unlike most, he is a very likeable main character. Something else that's extraordinary, is that it's one of the few manga's that has been good all the way through.

Gourab

January 28, 2009, 07:58 AM

Remember way back during his initial Seikūken training, Isshinsai Ogata (Kensei) felt he had a huge amount of potential just waiting to be tapped.
Just my thoughts... ;)

yah Ogata did mention about something abt. his potential & compared his growth with the construction of something large ....this is the truth too

but kenichi sometimes surpasses himself , specially when triggered by some emotion or his belief and he becomes really strong with a never die attitude

and again when he is fighting casually he keeps on restraining himself and that makes him the most vulnerable just like his fight with Tirawit Kokin

sabret00the

January 28, 2009, 11:54 AM

Potential != Talent.

Maphisto40

January 28, 2009, 01:38 PM

The 322 RAW is up!!! Kyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!! :spaz

*passes out from lack of air*

Rogue_Sapphire

January 28, 2009, 02:56 PM

And the translation is up :P
http://mangahelpers.com/t/rogue_sapphire/releases/9210
Remember to say click thanks

Maphisto40

January 28, 2009, 03:03 PM

I love you, you crazy Aussie! You bring joy to my week with your awesome translating! :D

*hands Rogue_Sapphire a mega-super-awesome cookie*

EDIT: I just read 322!

Bwahahaha! Shiba ran, and Akisame sicced Shigure on him! That was awesome...too bad he got away. What's up with those springs on his legs? Cheater! :ban

And Takeda's an idiot if he thinks anyone will believe him about not liking Miu. Kenichi saw through him right away, lol. Kenichi is such a cool guy, I lurvs him. <3

And WTF, Miu was like, 2 feet away while they had that conversation. Is she that oblivious?!?!? Stupid question....

And ZOMG, ebil Yami meeting!!! Talking about eradicating Miu! I guess it's Rachel's turn to cause mayhem...yikes, this should be.....interesting. xD

paradoxe

January 28, 2009, 06:25 PM

So why doesn't Kenichi have its own forum again?

Maphisto40

January 28, 2009, 07:24 PM

So why doesn't Kenichi have its own forum again?

Well, only a few core people ever come here and post about it. If more of the readers would get off their asses and show their love, we might actually get one! :darn

IF YOU READ HSDK, POST ABOUT IT!!! *shakes fist at all the lurkers*

RAFAT9

January 28, 2009, 08:04 PM

Maphisto40

January 28, 2009, 08:10 PM

no i wont post here what are going to do about that?

But srsly the way 322 ended gives the hint that Miu is the next target which will be cool since we've never seen her in a srs one on one fight before

I'm gonna........pat you on the back for posting! Here's a cookie! :D

Seriously, I know! I want to see Miu truly throw down. All her opponents 'til now were either ridiculously weaker than her, or taken over by another fighter. If it's with Rachel, then you know it's going to be almost X-rated, but ah well. You men will enjoy that, I'm sure. :eyeroll

I just want to see a Miu asswhooping, either given or received. XD

Rogue_Sapphire

January 29, 2009, 02:32 AM

Uh...
Ok...looks like I need to update the translation everybody.
When she said "Chick" ... She meant "Hatchling"...

Knew I would've had to clear that up >_>;;;

Maledicente

January 29, 2009, 07:15 AM

Uh...
Ok...looks like I need to update the translation everybody.
When she said "Chick" ... She meant "Hatchling"...

Knew I would've had to clear that up >_>;;;

I think know it makes sense. Miu isn't a disciple of Ryozanpaku. As far as we know her only master was Hyato.

The chapter was great. The sepuku ritual thing for shaving a mustache was hilarious.

About the realism of the series, the only thing that really bothered me was Brazilian Jujutsu reference. C'mon, on the early 90s, during the firsts UFCs, where there were no rounds, no time limit, no gloves and using of elbows and knees on the back of the head was almost mandatory, a Brazilian Jujutsu master (Royce Gracie) won 3 of the first 5 competitions fighting against much heavier oponents and with a handicap (he was the only one using a full kimono while others used only a speedo and boots). It was after this that Brazilian Jujutsu became popular and now almost every mma fighter (if not all of them) have a base learning of this martial art for not having his ass so severely kicked.

I mean, mma is basicaly real life D of D tournament and Brazilian Jujutsu is pwning ass for the past 20 years.

If you doubt, watch this fight from Rodrigo Minotauro (another brazilian MMA fighter with a strong base of brazilian jujutsu): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL7KgdVU5Gc

and this video whit a plethora of finishing moves by Royce Gracie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK5RFvPDhK0

Brazilian Jujutsu FTW!

Jath

January 29, 2009, 08:22 AM

I think know it makes sense. Miu isn't a disciple of Ryozanpaku. As far as we know her only master was Hyato.

The chapter was great. The sepuku ritual thing for shaving a mustache was hilarious.

About the realism of the series, the only thing that really bothered me was Brazilian Jujutsu reference. C'mon, on the early 90s, during the firsts UFCs, where there were no rounds, no time limit, no gloves and using of elbows and knees on the back of the head was almost mandatory, a Brazilian Jujutsu master (Royce Gracie) won 3 of the first 5 competitions fighting against much heavier oponents and with a handicap (he was the only one using a full kimono while others used only a speedo and boots). It was after this that Brazilian Jujutsu became popular and now almost every mma fighter (if not all of them) have a base learning of this martial art for not having his ass so severely kicked.

I mean, mma is basicaly real life D of D tournament and Brazilian Jujutsu is pwning ass for the past 20 years.

If you doubt, watch this fight from Rodrigo Minotauro (another brazilian MMA fighter with a strong base of brazilian jujutsu): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL7KgdVU5Gc

and this video whit a plethora of finishing moves by Royce Gracie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK5RFvPDhK0

Brazilian Jujutsu FTW!

I don't think her only trainer is her grandfather, I just think that we haven't had much time to actually get into the picture to see what the hell is going on. Unless, what your saying is true, and her grandfather is trying to train her to become a kick ass fighter like him. To rape like superman.

I really got to say though, I can't wait to see most of the characters actually fight soon and show what they are capable of, especially Kenichi. Right now I understand that he is strong as hell in the "Basics" but I really want to see him continue in his training just a little bit more and learn some sweet stuff. I understand also that he is just a little under experienced, but man...

Yeah, I LOVED Bleach at first, all the way up until they went to Hueco Mundo to rescue Orihime. Then it started to go downhill, with the only high point (for me) being the final Ichigo vs Grimmjow fight. As it stands right now, Kubo-sensei is dragging out the Fake Kurakura Town arc so badly that I just don't give a crap anymore. It's like, ok......just FIGHT ALREADY! RELEASE ALREADY! ARGH!!! Sorry, Bleach has been pissing me off a lot lately.

Naruto on the other hand has been so epic lately that it's the first Jump release I look for every week. It is pwning the crap out of Bleach in terms of pacing and action.
I agree definitely with this. Bleach, my god get into the fighting, and Naruto, my god it's been owning.

Hmm... I break HSDK down like this:

1. Humor - Absolutely the best thing about this series. No manga has made me laugh as much as HSDK, not even Flame of Recca.

2. Characters - There are so many awesome ones that you're sure to find a favorite, I don't care who you are.

3. Martial Arts - 99% of the techniques in this series are doable in real life. It's soooo nice for once to not have a fantasy/magical/overpowered protagonist.

4. Believable Progression - You see exactly how hard Kenichi constantly trains to get as good as he is, and you know he still has room to improve. There's been no Bleach-style plotkai so far for me, like Ichigo's out-of-nowhere powerups (ooo fear the power of my magical resolve and/or instant conversations with my zanpakutou/inner hollow!!!).

5. Epic Fights - And last but certainly not least, EPIC FIGHTS! I absolutely adore the fights in this series, and practically tear my hair out waiting for the next chapter now. My favorites so far have been Tanimoto vs Berserker, Kenichi vs Jihan, Kenichi vs Shou (final), and every single one of Kenichi vs Boris (I adore Boris).
I would agree, and the martial arts, definitely. They made it quite a bit more believable than most. Everything about this list I definitely agree about. A little about the progression, but this list is very accurate to what I think.

I'm gonna........pat you on the back for posting! Here's a cookie!

Seriously, I know! I want to see Miu truly throw down. All her opponents 'til now were either ridiculously weaker than her, or taken over by another fighter. If it's with Rachel, then you know it's going to be almost X-rated, but ah well. You men will enjoy that, I'm sure.

I just want to see a Miu asswhooping, either given or received. XD
Yes, I would love to see Miu kick ass too. Miu has seen very little action and, yes also, taken over by another fighting usually. Usually Kenichi too.

And go Hitman Reborn!

Imperial_dao

January 29, 2009, 08:54 AM

hello there imperial here, long time reader first time poster. love HSDK, gotta say i am one of the 300 chapter marathon readers, ahh the sleepless days, but i digress. just wanna say the only Miu fight i really wanna see is Miu vs. Renka, now that would be epic. and just a quick curiosity piece, remember kanou shou was supposed to be some sort of mutant superfighter raised by ninjas, i was wondering if Miu might fall into the same category?

Icarus

January 29, 2009, 09:30 AM

sorry being a noob.. but where can i download chapter 207 english?? i cant find at this website.. please somebody help me.. thanks so much..

Jath

January 29, 2009, 09:33 AM

sorry being a noob.. but where can i download chapter 207 english?? i cant find at this website.. please somebody help me.. thanks so much..

Not exactly sure where to download it at, but you can read it online at:

http://www.onemanga.com/
http://www.mangafox.com/

Icarus

January 29, 2009, 09:54 AM

oww.. that's too bad... i'd like to download it.. i want to collect full chapter because this manga is worth to collect..

RAFAT9

January 29, 2009, 10:13 AM

oww.. that's too bad... i'd like to download it.. i want to collect full chapter because this manga is worth to collect..

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=33OMXFHY
there you go

What im wondering is how they are going to get Miu away from Kenichi cuz if he finds out he is obviously going to try and save her. i think it will be Ethan but it wont be a full battle. so far we havent seen his fighting style

Icarus

January 29, 2009, 10:22 AM

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=33OMXFHY
there you go

What im wondering is how they are going to get Miu away from Kenichi cuz if he finds out he is obviously going to try and save her. i think it will be Ethan but it wont be a full battle. so far we havent seen his fighting style

wow.. thank you so much.. i really² have a big debt..

Maphisto40

January 29, 2009, 10:45 AM

Uh...
Ok...looks like I need to update the translation everybody.
When she said "Chick" ... She meant "Hatchling"...

Knew I would've had to clear that up >_>;;;
Oohhhhhhhh........ok. LOL, well I guess that negates the whole Miu thing... Thank you for telling us! But I still stand by my previous statement. I want to see Miu FIGHT! :p

hello there imperial here, long time reader first time poster. love HSDK, gotta say i am one of the 300 chapter marathon readers, ahh the sleepless days, but i digress. just wanna say the only Miu fight i really wanna see is Miu vs. Renka, now that would be epic. and just a quick curiosity piece, remember kanou shou was supposed to be some sort of mutant superfighter raised by ninjas, i was wondering if Miu might fall into the same category?
Welcome to the forums!!! Miu vs Renka would indeed be epic, and I really couldn't tell you who would win. I view Renka as more of a dirty fighter, and it would be awesome if she dragged Miu down to that level by pushing her too far.

The part I bolded made me LOL, until I remembered that it's true. D'oh! :darn Hmm, interesting theory. The flashback with Miu's mother shows her wearing what looks like samurai/ninja armor, and we know nothing about her so.....who knows? ;)

Rogue_Sapphire

January 29, 2009, 11:40 AM

Oohhhhhhhh........ok. LOL, well I guess that negates the whole Miu thing... Thank you for telling us! But I still stand by my previous statement. I want to see Miu FIGHT! :p

Welcome to the forums!!! Miu vs Renka would indeed be epic, and I really couldn't tell you who would win. I view Renka as more of a dirty fighter, and it would be awesome if she dragged Miu down to that level by pushing her too far.

The part I bolded made me LOL, until I remembered that it's true. D'oh! :darn Hmm, interesting theory. The flashback with Miu's mother shows her wearing what looks like samurai/ninja armor, and we know nothing about her so.....who knows? ;)
Remember, Kanou Shou wasn't necessarily raised by super-mutant ninjas. Those guys seem to be some clan, that ... as I think of it, through specific breeding and training have created people with near-perfect body structure. But we'll find out in time...
But Shou was raised mostly by Yami themselves, they bought him at a very young age.

I'm sort of thinking that the Elder has ties to that clan, or either Miu's Mother or the One Shadow does. Because Miu remembers hearing that name.

Imperial_dao

January 29, 2009, 12:13 PM

i kinda think miu's mother was a member of the clan and furinji saiga married her and had plans for miu. remember she was trying to save miu before saiga gutted her. as long as we're on the subject of weird story lines, how awesome would it be if kenichi learned the seidou gou.

Stop

January 29, 2009, 08:14 PM

I'm gonna........pat you on the back for posting! Here's a cookie! :D

Seriously, I know! I want to see Miu truly throw down. All her opponents 'til now were either ridiculously weaker than her, or taken over by another fighter. If it's with Rachel, then you know it's going to be almost X-rated, but ah well. You men will enjoy that, I'm sure. :eyeroll

I just want to see a Miu asswhooping, either given or received. XD

nonono I like the my fight scenes to have oily sweety guys duking it out girls bounce to much to be enjoyable

Saintz0r

January 29, 2009, 08:49 PM

Brazilian Jujutsu master (Royce Gracie)
Wasn't he that died yesterday? =x

@322
Miu standing on Kenichi's side without hearing the conversation was kind of creepy o.o

Any ideas of how Kenichi will fight against the Lucha libre girl? I dunno, in my mind jujutsu shouldn't work very well against her.

Maphisto40

January 29, 2009, 09:29 PM

nonono I like the my fight scenes to have oily sweety guys duking it out girls bounce to much to be enjoyable
Ha ha, I must say I enjoy a good sweaty fight. But it's usually too brutal for the guys to look good for very long! :p

@322
Miu standing on Kenichi's side without hearing the conversation was kind of creepy o.o

Any ideas of how Kenichi will fight against the Lucha libre girl? I dunno, in my mind jujutsu shouldn't work very well against her.

Thank you! I'm not the only one who was weirded out by that! It makes me think she's either supremely oblivious, has nothing but birds twittering away in her head, or as my friend likes to theorize, she's faking it. I told her if it turns out that Miu's faking it I will bake you a huge cake to celebrate your awesomeness. :amuse

Kenichi vs Rachel will be an exercise in futility. He is incapable of harming a girl on purpose, and as you say, Jujutsu will NOT work on Rachel, unless he miraculously catches her off-guard. How else could he subdue her by himself without harming her? I think someone without Kenichi's scruples will have to be involved in this fight.

Imperial_dao

January 29, 2009, 09:33 PM

kenichi cant fight gurls. so that fight wont happen. he cant use the same tactic he used on the drunk fist girl. lucha libre will not hesitate to kill him. thats a renka fight, since miu will have to take the jujutsu chick.

Ravsieg

January 30, 2009, 12:23 PM

It makes sense that Miu will face Rachel. Not only because this is the best fan-service matchup possible, but also because Renka was already targetting Kushinada and that makes her her pray. xD

Maledicente

January 30, 2009, 02:42 PM

Wasn't he that died yesterday? =x

@322
Miu standing on Kenichi's side without hearing the conversation was kind of creepy o.o

Any ideas of how Kenichi will fight against the Lucha libre girl? I dunno, in my mind jujutsu shouldn't work very well against her.

That was his father. His death is what motivated me to say something about brazilian jujutsu. He created the first mma (mixed martial arts) tournament (UFC) where you can actualy see what does and doesn't not work on real life combat.

RAFAT9

January 30, 2009, 05:18 PM

If its Kenichi Vs Rachel than that will most likely be boring and have the same shit of Kenichi not able to hit girls. but he cant really use Jujitsu or MT and his karate isnt pin point enough so itll most likely be CK.

Imperial_dao

January 30, 2009, 09:53 PM

It makes sense that Miu will face Rachel. Not only because this is the best fan-service matchup possible, but also because Renka was already targetting Kushinada and that makes her her pray. xD

even if its for fanservice those fights dont really fit the story. what would be the whole point of trying to 'save' kushinada if you send renka at her if thats the case then why did kenichi stop her the first time they were about to fight, plus renka is strong but she's a loose cannon, her and racheal would have a much better fight and miu might be an airhead but when she fights shes a genius, so its her and kushinada. sorry sir but i reject your reality and replace it with my own.

Jath

January 30, 2009, 11:13 PM

even if its for fanservice those fights dont really fit the story. what would be the whole point of trying to 'save' kushinada if you send renka at her if thats the case then why did kenichi stop her the first time they were about to fight, plus renka is strong but she's a loose cannon, her and racheal would have a much better fight and miu might be an airhead but when she fights shes a genius, so its her and kushinada. sorry sir but i reject your reality and replace it with my own.

Bolded part, nice.... Very nice.

But yeah, I think it would be a fight more up to Renka because as said, Miu fights as a genius, and Kushinada is more considered a genius than anyways(as stated in some other weird chapter number that I can't remember), but it kinda makes sense, genius vs genius. We'll just have to see how it turns out though. Hopefully we get back into it soon. :)

Stop

January 31, 2009, 07:26 AM

Bolded part, nice.... Very nice.:)
Its from myth busters
[hr]
I was thinking maybe Shinpaku is gonna be the new ryuzanpuko
I can see the mayhem they would cause already....
more people need to post this is an awesome manga if you do I'll show miu's photo collection
read this panel if you want to see how hard a head miu has http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/215/005/
This kinda makes me think shes just pretending but just a little or shes really really stooopid
Really he's buying pictures of you*thought* and you don't think its weird?
[hr]
sorry didnt really make sense still havent gone to sleep i'll make corrections later *so hard to sleep*

Jath

January 31, 2009, 12:54 PM

Its from myth busters
<hr noshade size="1">
I was thinking maybe Shinpaku is gonna be the new ryuzanpuko
I can see the mayhem they would cause already....
more people need to post this is an awesome manga if you do I'll show miu's photo collection
read this panel if you want to see how hard a head miu has http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/215/005/
This kinda makes me think shes just pretending but just a little or shes really really stooopid
Really he's buying pictures of you*thought* and you don't think its weird?
<hr noshade size="1">
sorry didnt really make sense still havent gone to sleep i'll make corrections later *so hard to sleep*

Yep, I know it is. That's why I said nice. :) And yeah, that link you have to chapter 215, what a great part. I laughed when I had first read that a lot.

Imperial_dao

February 01, 2009, 07:52 PM

.......why is it so quiet in here... i'm guessing something big is gonna happen in the next chapter. this feels like the calm before the storm of fists. miu's mom was hot, thats my outro... not really. i'm wondering how old is shigure, and how old are all the other masters. that jujutsu lady is older than the elder right? if i had to choose between miu and renka... i'd have to choose... SHIGURE!! and that ends my rant ;-D

Rogue_Sapphire

February 01, 2009, 08:01 PM

What's with all the shigure fans D:
What's wrong with that poor girl from the Gardening Club that will never get Kenichi's affection D:

Maphisto40

February 01, 2009, 08:22 PM

What's with all the shigure fans D:
What's wrong with that poor girl from the Gardening Club that will never get Kenichi's affection D:

OMG, you should hear my friend. We talk over IM while he reads HSDK, and like every time Shigure (or Kisara) does anything, he either links me to the page, or gushes profusely about her. It's absolutely hilarious. :D And you should know that the nice, quiet girls never get the guy! Goodness, hasn't TV or movies taught you anything? They have to change in some way, like Sandy at the end of Grease, when she dresses up like a greaser slut to catch Danny's attention. :p

@Imperial: My friend said the exact same thing, and I quote: "Oooh...Miu's mom was quite teh hotness. O.O Too bad she's dead. >.>" LMAO

Oh well, I can't blame him. You should hear me and my other friend (a girl) whenever Tanimoto does anything. Hell, all he has to do is stand there, and we squee like idiots. Ahh, the curse of fangirlism. :eyeroll

Jath

February 01, 2009, 08:37 PM

OMG, you should hear my friend. We talk over IM while he reads HSDK, and like every time Shigure (or Kisara) does anything, he either links me to the page, or gushes profusely about her. It's absolutely hilarious. :D And you should know that the nice, quiet girls never get the guy! Goodness, hasn't TV or movies taught you anything? They have to change in some way, like Sandy at the end of Grease, when she dresses up like a greaser slut to catch Danny's attention. :p

@Imperial: My friend said the exact same thing, and I quote: "Oooh...Miu's mom was quite teh hotness. O.O Too bad she's dead. >.>" LMAO

Oh well, I can't blame him. You should hear me and my other friend (a girl) whenever Tanimoto does anything. Hell, all he has to do is stand there, and we squee like idiots. Ahh, the curse of fangirlism. :eyeroll

Whats so wrong with Shigure? lol She's freakin' amazing and hilarious. Plus, as said from your friends quote, "teh hotness". Though Miu isn't too bad either, but she's just oblivious to just about everything that has to do with relationships.

Imperial_dao

February 01, 2009, 09:22 PM

the gardening gurl has one flaw that stands out in the HSDK universe. can you guess what that is... thats correct she is under a C cup. kisara gets away with cause shes kool and kusinada as well. and with regards to shigure, look how well she handles a 'sword'... master level... ;-)

Maphisto40

February 01, 2009, 09:22 PM

Whats so wrong with Shigure? lol She's freakin' amazing and hilarious. Plus, as said from your friends quote, "teh hotness". Though Miu isn't too bad either, but she's just oblivious to just about everything that has to do with relationships.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Shigure. She's actually my favorite female character in HSDK. She pwns, and she pwns hardcore. She pwns hardcore while naked. She pwns tanks with nothing but a sword. SHIGURE PWNS! :worship

I just find it hilarious how my friend turns into gibbering pile of mush whenever she does something.

Jath

February 02, 2009, 09:36 PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Shigure. She's actually my favorite female character in HSDK. She pwns, and she pwns hardcore. She pwns hardcore while naked. She pwns tanks with nothing but a sword. SHIGURE PWNS! :worship

I just find it hilarious how my friend turns into gibbering pile of mush whenever she does something.

Well, she does pwn. And yeah, she's my favorite female character in HSDK too. And the bolded part... Yeah she does doesn't she lol Thanks for reminding me about that. Got to go back and find that chapter where-ever it is. The second bolded part, I don't turn into mush, but man, whenever she does turn up it's amazing. Like literally.
[hr]
Question for you Maph, did you use already created renders for your Sig pic or did you actually create the renders yourself?

Maphisto40

February 03, 2009, 12:30 AM

Question for you Maph, did you use already created renders for your Sig pic or did you actually create the renders yourself?

Are you kidding? No one does renders for HSDK (at least none that I could ever find)! I make all my own renders usually. It's great practice, and I have no limits on images that way. Usually when a person comes to the Sig Shop that I'm an artist in on Bleachanime.org (my true home even though Bleach is sucky lately :p), they have an unrendered image they want us to use.^^

3 of my own personal sigs (for BA.org) that I rendered images for:
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/Signatures/KenichiBAsig.jpg
This was my sig for a looong time. I rendered Kenichi from the cover of volume 22.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/Signatures/BAShinpakusig.png
My next sig, after I got into vectors. I rendered Kenichi from the cover of volume 19, and the Shinpaku logo from whatever chapter Niijima crashes the D of D tournament in. :D

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/Signatures/Maphisto40Edsig.png
My current sig (yes I belong to a Bleach RP division, wanna fight about it??) I rendered Edward from the cover of Fullmetal Alchemist volume 20. I adore this sig. :amuse

sabret00the

February 03, 2009, 07:44 AM

Just seen on AnimeSuki that we get no HSDK this week. There is a stand-in special that features Laughing Fist Diego and Rachael though.

Maphisto40

February 03, 2009, 09:31 AM

Just seen on AnimeSuki that we get no HSDK this week. There is a stand-in special that features Laughing Fist Diego and Rachael though.

Whaaaaat? Nuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeessss! :blink

*clutches her chest dramatically and crashes to the floor in a dead faint*

Seriously, what? Well, at least we're getting something, instead of just a break. I hope it's funny, and not annoying.
(Diego annoys me) :darn

Jath

February 03, 2009, 04:58 PM

Are you kidding? No one does renders for HSDK (at least none that I could ever find)! I make all my own renders usually. It's great practice, and I have no limits on images that way. Usually when a person comes to the Sig Shop that I'm an artist in on Bleachanime.org (my true home even though Bleach is sucky lately :p), they have an unrendered image they want us to use.^^

3 of my own personal sigs (for BA.org) that I rendered images for:
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/Signatures/KenichiBAsig.jpg
This was my sig for a looong time. I rendered Kenichi from the cover of volume 22.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/Signatures/BAShinpakusig.png
My next sig, after I got into vectors. I rendered Kenichi from the cover of volume 19, and the Shinpaku logo from whatever chapter Niijima crashes the D of D tournament in. :D

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p169/Maphisto40/Signatures/Maphisto40Edsig.png
My current sig (yes I belong to a Bleach RP division, wanna fight about it??) I rendered Edward from the cover of Fullmetal Alchemist volume 20. I adore this sig. :amuse

Yeah I didn't doubt that not a lot of people make renders for HSDK, but it was worth a shot asking ya. I've been getting back into my banner making ways even though mine aren't that great, wanted to make an HSDK one but I'm not all that great at making renders. I'll think of something lol. I'll also check up on bleachanime.org, even though, as agreed, Bleach has been pretty sucky lately(Still got to catch up to it though, only on like episode 174. lol) But yeah, hopefully soon I will be able to get back into working on my nice sigs. I'll show you one that I made two or three nights ago on a whim when I was trying to figure out my darn "My Anime List" sig. What a pain in the ass that was. lol Just got to wait till later tonight when I get back onto the computer I made it on. And I love the first sig that you made of Kenichi. That thing looks awesome.

Whaaaattt? No Kenichi this week? I hope some of the other manga I've been reading make up for it. I get into some and find out that it's only into it's like, first 7 chapters(Freezing), Naruto is great currently, but god knows how long that will last, and Negima, Kicks ass but I want it to get back into what it's been doing... Kicking Major Ass.

Rogue_Sapphire

February 03, 2009, 06:52 PM

For the spoilers posted up at animesuki, here's the translation for the 4 pages.

Kenichi 323 Spoiler Translation:

Page 1:

Battle 323: Good Fortune comes to those who smile!

Over-Arm-Text: Life is Entertainment!!

Diego: Hey everybody, it’s time for Diego the “Laughing Fist”!!

Rachel: Ah!! Maestro, stop taking all the attention for yourself!!

Page 2:

Box: My name is Diego Carlo.

Diego in bed…I think that’s him: Yawn~

Diego: The weather’s great today, laughs will be overflowing!

Box: I’m a very normal masked wrestler!!

Box: For a masked wrestler, your mask is your life.

Shower Diego: Special service <3

Box: So, it’s only natural you also shower with your mask on!!

Box: Though, the fact that If you can’t conceal yourself unless you wear a mask is worrying to my unreasonable yet beloved disciple…

HW Rachel: I can’t I can’t, that’s looks too suspicious

HW Diego: Ahh! Don’t say that so lightly!!

Box: If it was me, it goes without saying that I’d blend into the school while wearing a mask right?

HW Girl: Diego-kun, did you cut your hair?

HW Diego: Nah, got a new mask~

Box: Because that’s Diego Quality!!

Page 03:

Diego: You’ve still got some way to go, Rachel!

Rachel: Hoeh?

Maid: Diego-sama, there’s a call from Mr. Saitou.

HW Diego: Put it up on the monitor

Box: Whoops, looks like work.

Mr. Saitou: What’s wrong Laughing Fist!?

Mr. Saitou: Can’t you do the jobs in Japan you’ve been given!?

Mr. Saitou: Assasinations, kidnappings…they’re all big jobs!

Mr. Saitou: Do you really think you can finish all of those off in the next few days!!?

Diego: It’s worrying you’re so misunderstood, Mr.

Mr. Saitou: What!?

Diego: Just doing a job is for workers.

Page 04:

Diego: BUT I’M AN ENTERTAINER!!

Diego: YES, FOR ENTERTAINERS NO MATTER WHAT THE JOB IS, YOU PROVIDE ENTERTAINMENT!!

Mr. Saitou: I don’t really get it, / But anyway, I’ll leave it to you!!

Maphisto40

February 03, 2009, 08:47 PM

Yeah I didn't doubt that not a lot of people make renders for HSDK, but it was worth a shot asking ya. I've been getting back into my banner making ways even though mine aren't that great, wanted to make an HSDK one but I'm not all that great at making renders. I'll think of something lol. I'll also check up on bleachanime.org, even though, as agreed, Bleach has been pretty sucky lately(Still got to catch up to it though, only on like episode 174. lol) But yeah, hopefully soon I will be able to get back into working on my nice sigs. I'll show you one that I made two or three nights ago on a whim when I was trying to figure out my darn "My Anime List" sig. What a pain in the ass that was. lol Just got to wait till later tonight when I get back onto the computer I made it on. And I love the first sig that you made of Kenichi. That thing looks awesome.
Ummmm..... I keep every single render I've ever made, so if you want any, I can help ya. Or I can render whatever you want. Just let me know.^^ That first Kenichi render is bigger than that, but I just showed that part because of the limits of sig size. Plus it's a huge render. I even made a wallpaper out of it. I've got a few more, like a color Shigure for my friend's sig. And thank you! That was one of my earliest C4D sigs (been using Photoshop for 2 months now).

For the spoilers posted up at animesuki, here's the translation for the 4 pages.

Kenichi 323 Spoiler Translation:

Page 1:

Battle 323: Good Fortune comes to those who smile!

Over-Arm-Text: Life is Entertainment!!

Diego: Hey everybody, it’s time for Diego the “Laughing Fist”!!

Rachel: Ah!! Maestro, stop taking all the attention for yourself!!

Page 2:

Box: My name is Diego Carlo.

Diego in bed…I think that’s him: Yawn~

Diego: The weather’s great today, laughs will be overflowing!

Box: I’m a very normal masked wrestler!!

Box: For a masked wrestler, your mask is your life.

Shower Diego: Special service <3

Box: So, it’s only natural you also shower with your mask on!!

Box: Though, the fact that If you can’t conceal yourself unless you wear a mask is worrying to my unreasonable yet beloved disciple…

HW Rachel: I can’t I can’t, that’s looks too suspicious

HW Diego: Ahh! Don’t say that so lightly!!

Box: If it was me, it goes without saying that I’d blend into the school while wearing a mask right?

HW Girl: Diego-kun, did you cut your hair?

HW Diego: Nah, got a new mask~

Box: Because that’s Diego Quality!!

Page 03:

Diego: You’ve still got some way to go, Rachel!

Rachel: Hoeh?

Maid: Diego-sama, there’s a call from Mr. Saitou.

HW Diego: Put it up on the monitor

Box: Whoops, looks like work.

Mr. Saitou: What’s wrong Laughing Fist!?

Mr. Saitou: Can’t you do the jobs in Japan you’ve been given!?

Mr. Saitou: Assasinations, kidnappings…they’re all big jobs!

Mr. Saitou: Do you really think you can finish all of those off in the next few days!!?

Diego: It’s worrying you’re so misunderstood, Mr.

Mr. Saitou: What!?

Diego: Just doing a job is for workers.

Page 04:

Diego: BUT I’M AN ENTERTAINER!!

Diego: YES, FOR ENTERTAINERS NO MATTER WHAT THE JOB IS, YOU PROVIDE ENTERTAINMENT!!

Mr. Saitou: I don’t really get it, / But anyway, I’ll leave it to you!!

THANK YOU, AWESOME MAN (that's totally your name btw, Awesome Man)! *bows*

Jath

February 03, 2009, 10:57 PM

Ummmm..... I keep every single render I've ever made, so if you want any, I can help ya. Or I can render whatever you want. Just let me know.^^ That first Kenichi render is bigger than that, but I just showed that part because of the limits of sig size. Plus it's a huge render. I even made a wallpaper out of it. I've got a few more, like a color Shigure for my friend's sig. And thank you! That was one of my earliest C4D sigs (been using Photoshop for 2 months now).

THANK YOU, AWESOME MAN (that's totally your name btw, Awesome Man)! *bows*

This one that I made, as said in the other post I made, I made within like, 20 minutes. Though I couldn't use it where I wanted to because of the actual sig requirements, which is 600x110 instead of 600x200, so I plan on taking this image's background and all and changing it around a bit so I can re-use it if I can for something else.
-And yeah, if you don't mind, getting those renders from you would be great. I'm going to start figuring out how to make the renders myself, but last time I tried it looked like I butchered the character.
--I myself have been using Photoshop for a few years, just never actually gotten into the creation of things. I learn fast though through tutorials and all so I should be able to pick some of the tricks up. It's gonna take a while though.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/Jath/Jath2.jpg

Thanks for the spoilers, but in my own sense I don't really care much for them lol. I hate spoilers only because I don't like seeing whats going to happen next. If someone shows me an episode that isn't in order of something, or a chapter that isn't in order, than I hate it. I guess I'm just weird like that. Especially when I can't watch/read the whole thing. lol

Than again, I'm weird in general.

Rogue_Sapphire

February 04, 2009, 04:23 AM

Believe me, if you asked my friends, you'd find out that I'm incredibly anal about spoilers.
But the problem is that with HSDK spoilers, I'm sort of obliged to translate them, though I really don't want to D: It does save me some time too later when the raw comes out...

These ones are better than normal cause it's just the first 4 pages. D:

But if no one really reads these, then >_> I think I'll just stop doing the spoiler ones and focussing on avoiding spoiler pics till the chapters out...but unfortunately not everyone uses spoiler tags on forums in the main Kenichi discussion threads D:

Stop

February 04, 2009, 06:00 AM

No chapter this week? damn sometimes I wish I could forget that I had read the manga and read it all over again. D: Its so much better reading it for the first time

Imperial_dao

February 04, 2009, 07:45 AM

honestly. diego is annoying, plus looking at his personality i cant imagine him being a katsujinken type master (is it katsu or satsu i cant remember). which ever is the killing fist. racheal seems deadlier than her master, then again she does have an unfair advantage, what with those two cannons she's sporting... hey whats gonna happen with that weird salaryman from the D of D, the one that wanted to kill ogata... i just thought of something funny, HSDK invented wheelchair combat. ryuuto could hold off miu in his wheelchair... well its funny to me :-/

Rogue_Sapphire

February 04, 2009, 11:44 AM

323 Translation out.
http://mangahelpers.com/t/rogue_sapphire/releases/9364
Enjoy, it's Diego Quality! Hilarious chapter, and I think this'll be an awesome mini-arc.

keater

February 04, 2009, 01:21 PM

Thanks for the trans! You're like a life saver :)
Anyway the chapter is more than fun, and the mini arc should be a great one if it's played out right. Really want to see it all in one go but oh well...
On an unrelated topic does any one know how to travel in time?

fizban

February 04, 2009, 06:19 PM

Oh man, Kensei and Renka versus the Lucha Libre team. I am pretty excited by those matchups.

But I hope we don't lose Rachel from the story after this arc. I love her ridiculous attempts to get attention

Ravsieg

February 04, 2009, 08:32 PM

Another date between Kenichi and Miu that'll be spoiled.. with no confession. It's getting quite old. xP

Renka fighting seriously, now that's something interesting. Lookin' forward to it.

Imperial_dao

February 04, 2009, 09:20 PM

CALLED IT!! i like the whole tag team thing... they've or i should say he the author has been all about the master level fights lately. and if kenichi 'breaks' do you think he will wanna stop fighting or just wont wanna stop... yea that makes no sense but you never know. renka was unusually hot in this chapter. and from this chapter, i take back some of the things i said about diago... but not all of it... yes i realized i spelled his nme wrong but i choose NOT to change it. take that laughing fist!

Maphisto40

February 04, 2009, 11:19 PM

ZOMG, I have just one thing to say about ch 323.... I wanna eat at Matsuenald's!!! *flails*

Wow, that was way more than I hoped for. How is this not a regular chapter again? It's got all the main characters, is 18 pages long, and is obviously set right after Kenichi's spar with Takeda... I'm confuzzled. :blink

Oh, and this chapter made me like Diego a whooole lot more. How can I not begin to like someone that ridonkulous? :p
Heck, I already loved Rachel. Her all sleepy with toast in her mouth was WIN.

Ma Kensei

February 05, 2009, 03:47 AM

I suppose it's considered a special because the focus isn't on Kenichi but then with Kenichi secretly following Kensei and Renka even that's thrown out the window.

Anyway either Renka is wearing her China dress under her more conventional wear or Diego is going to provide her with an outfit [probably one of Rachel's old ones] because her current dress code doesn't seem conducive towards her fighting a high level opponent.

Stop

February 05, 2009, 07:01 AM

My god Diego is freaking awesome hes so damn funny if only he was a good guy!

Maledicente

February 05, 2009, 08:53 AM

Renka and Rachel? After Miu and Kenichi`s botched date? If Renka get to know Kenichi is watching I predict Miu hands on Kenichi eyes for more than half the battle, since Rachel would never want to be behind in exhibitionism.

Thats some fanservice!

And Diego is a total psycho. A real one. He just cares aboute his performance and don't give a shit about enything else. Although funny, he's VERY dangerous.

Ma Kensei

February 05, 2009, 09:01 AM

Renka and Rachel? After Miu and Kenichi`s botched date? If Renka get to know Kenichi is watching I predict Miu hands on Kenichi eyes for more than half the battle, since Rachel would never want to be behind in exhibitionism.

Thats some fanservice!

I don’t expect Renka to make any further attempts to seduce Kenichi by flaunting her body because he’s proved resistant to her charms. He was unmoved by the sight of her in a swimsuit, in a night gown and with one breast exposed pressing against him. Fair’s fair she managed to induce a nosebleed with the last one but Kenichi’s a healthy male after all. That being said the fact he’s been so far unmoved to throw Miu aside in order to ravish the oh so willing Renka show the futility of trying to tempt him away with the pleasures of the flesh

Fanservice will still occur though just not for the purposes of attracting Kenichi

Rogue_Sapphire

February 05, 2009, 10:02 AM

I don’t expect Renka to make any further attempts to seduce Kenichi by flaunting her body because he’s proved resistant to her charms. He was unmoved by the sight of her in a swimsuit, in a night gown and with one breast exposed pressing against him. Fair’s fair she managed to induce a nosebleed with the last one but Kenichi’s a healthy male after all. That being said the fact he’s been so far unmoved to throw Miu aside in order to ravish the oh so willing Renka show the futility of trying to tempt him away with the pleasures of the flesh

Fanservice will still occur though just not for the purposes of attracting Kenichi
Actually no, Kenichi was getting worked up about her boob pressing up against him when she had the one-boob-exposed night :P

Maledicente

February 05, 2009, 01:31 PM

Kenichi fought at least two times for the "right to be the one who protects miu".

Renka was sent to a figh Kenichi cannot participate (be it either because he doesn't hit women or the "Kenichi falling apart" mysterious thing) to protect him instead of Miu.

Are we going to witness something like "I'll be the one who protects Kenichi" during or after this fight?

I guess we are. What do you (forum) think about it?

Rogue_Sapphire

February 05, 2009, 03:24 PM

Kenichi falling apart, is more like, him breaking. Maybe I should've just kept that translated as Kenichi...will...break...
But Kenichi...will fall...apart was said more naturally for Shigure
DAMN YOU KENICHI AND YOUR MULTIPLE CHARACTERS WHO TALK RETARDEDLY!!!

Ma Kensei

February 05, 2009, 04:49 PM

Actually no, Kenichi was getting worked up about her boob pressing up against him when she had the one-boob-exposed night :P

I mentioned that in my post

RE: Maledicente

It depends on how threatened Miu feels by Renka's attentions. Either way Kenichi is doing all this mostly in order to be strong enough to protect Miu so Miu fighting to be the one to protect him would really damage his self esteem

RAFAT9

February 05, 2009, 08:47 PM

the second i saw Renka i knew it was going to be a Ma family vs Libre MD match
i just hope Kenichi or Miu dont get involved too much and that we get to see more of Renka's fighting style

Stop

February 06, 2009, 11:22 AM

What I want to know is....... will ma kensei wear the mask?
http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/323/09/

Imperial_dao

February 06, 2009, 04:30 PM

Maledicente

February 07, 2009, 12:26 AM

i dont really think there is a concern with protecting kenichi he's got five super master class bodyguards and a superhuman to protect him... i think he'll be ok, the only way they cant protect him is during a disciple fight. but if he truly is HSD then he wont lose... unless tirawit drops by again... (change subject...randomness) i know we talk about miu's airheadedness, but if we look back there have been plenty of times where she shows some recognition of the kenichi situation. first of all there is competition with renka, remember the first time they met. and during the snowy mountain where she had those flashbacks, and during the DofD when kanou confessed to her, she acknowledged and called out for kenichi. and the whole bath scene with Shigure *drool* where she was talking about how renka was like a cat that chases what she wants but she cant do that. all these references can be linked... but i dont know how... T_T ... the person we should be raising questions for is kenichi... but then again you gotta remember they are just kids and therefore lack the dirty old man type knowledge of masters like ME and master Ma... chowa!!!

I quite agree their lack chutzpah but not with the "we are old they are kids" thing. With their age I was a very dirty young man. :D

Anyway, the iniciative on these declaration matters should be kenichi's call since Miu is too much into romantic fantasies about beautiful brides or am I that wrong? Miu does act pretty jealous when there's other girl showing affection to Kenichi, or even showing off too much (i.e. Rachel's boobs on DofD and the bath with Shigure). At least HE took her on a date this time.

Damn, I can't wait for the catfight and all the booty and boobs involved!

Imperial_dao

February 09, 2009, 01:10 PM

Franckie

February 09, 2009, 08:28 PM

shhh... i think i hear crickets in this forum... there it goes again... man i hope something good happens in this chapter, after the takeda fight its like everyone disappeared, like berserker. i wonder who is stronger the elder furinji or the one shadow furinji...

I'd say Saiga. He's the leading candidate for final villain, which means he'll have to be stronger than everyone else, including Hayato.

CaptFamous

February 10, 2009, 11:58 AM

Franckie

February 10, 2009, 02:40 PM

Nah, it's definitely Hyato. I can see Saiga devoting his whole life to trying to upstage his "invincible" father, and thinking the best way to do it is to "follow the path of Asura". There will be some big climax where he calls Hyato out, and talks about how he's so much stronger, then he gets beat, and Hyato says something like "you just never understood."

Kenichi is going to become the strongest in the end and he'll eventually surpass Hayato since the old man is Kenichi's most important counterpart. Mentors aren't meant to defeat the "Big Bad", that's the work of the hero. HSDK also follows the standard pattern of villains for the shounen genre - The "big bosses" are always "stronger" than the previous ones; and with Saiga being the leading candidate for final villain, powerscaling places him at the very top, meaning he'll end up being more powerful than Hayato one way or the other.

It's not like Saiga is going to fight Kenichi, unless this series decides to span like 10 years, where Ken would maybe have enough training for that to be remotely possible.

Kenichi's growth is highly unnatural. At his current rate, he'd need no more than couple of years to become a Super Master.

Quetz

February 10, 2009, 05:16 PM

Kenichi is going to become the strongest in the end and he'll eventually surpass Hayato since the old man is Kenichi's most important counterpart. Mentors aren't meant to defeat the "Big Bad", that's the work of the hero. HSDK also follows the standard pattern of villains for the shounen genre - The "big bosses" are always "stronger" than the previous ones; and with Saiga being the leading candidate for final villain, powerscaling places him at the very top, meaning he'll end up being more powerful than Hayato one way or the other.

Kenichi's growth is highly unnatural. At his current rate, he'd need no more than couple of years to become a Super Master.

Seriously. Guy who practices omgrlyrly hard for a year and half fighting equally with people who have lived/breathed/died for martial arts for their entire lives, he's gotta be doing something right.

Rogue_Sapphire

February 10, 2009, 09:21 PM

Raw is out. And translation is out.
http://mangahelpers.com/t/rogue_sapphire/releases/9534
Enjoy.

CaptFamous

February 10, 2009, 11:47 PM

Nothing really happens in this chapter.
[hr]
Also, in response to posts about Kenichi fighting Saiga, there has been a continuous theme through this story of a separation between disciples' powers and masters' powers. Kenichi has become very strong... for a disciple. However, at this point, he is still nothing compared to any of his masters, let along the strongest of them. In my opinion, it stretchest to the farthest reaches of reasonability that he will surpass ALL of his ridiculously strong masters any time soon. I mean, the title of the manga is "History's Strongest DISCIPLE Kenichi".

I'm not saying that it won't happen, but if it does, either this manga is going to go on for years and years, or there has to be some kind of time skip. Otherwise, it would completely undermine the all of the characterization of the masters.

What I won't discount is the possibility that Kenichi's defeat of all of YOMI and any other people of his relative age will somehow mentally defeat Saiga, by convincing him of the error of his ways, or something to that effect. However, if Kenichi beats him, and he isn't even 20 years old yet, there'll be some 'splainin to do.

Ma Kensei

February 11, 2009, 03:27 AM

The Masters seem to have entered a pattern of fighting the masters at the same time as the disciples first with Boris and now with Rachel. If this keeps up then Kenichi needn't fight Saiga. Either which way I agree with the assesment that such a feat is far beyond his capabilities.

As for the current chapter it seems like your standard set up chapter there's always 2 or 3 chapters between the statement of intention to fight and the actual fight. Things should heat up next chapter. I find it interesting that Renka's always got her waitress outfit on under whatever she's wearing I don't believe anybody else in the manga is prone to doing this.

Maledicente

February 11, 2009, 07:51 AM

Stop

February 11, 2009, 08:43 AM

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/324/05/
Best scene EVAR
lately miu has been acting alot more stupid or the managka shows it more...

Ma Kensei

February 11, 2009, 11:06 AM

Damn! You said everything I was thinking. You must be some kind of genious.

Humble, aren't I?

There's nothing wrong with two geniuses complimenting one another on their genius

http://www.onemanga.com/Historys_Strongest_Disciple_Kenichi/324/05/
Best scene EVAR
lately miu has been acting alot more stupid or the managka shows it more...

Miu isn't stupid she's just naive and ignorant regarding everything not related to the world of martial arts. Think of her as a sort of idiot savant without equal in battle but vastly inferior in everything else. Miu seems to be multitalented being good at sports, academics and martial arts but she's socially retarded. As for this being shown more I was personally disgusted at how perfect Miu was made to look after Chikage inardvertantly convinced her to cease hiding her true self. By showing Miu's failings the hatred that began to blossom has abated.

Franckie

February 11, 2009, 01:37 PM

On the subject of Kenichi fighting Saiga:

Obviously the manga is not going to end anytime soon. We still have half of YOMI, eight remaining masters for Yami, and the Kuremesigo. There's also the author introducing new future plotlines as he's done several times already. Lastly, Kenichi fighting Saiga won't occur anytime soon in the manga. We're talking of a span of two years in the manga (consistant with the story's high-school settings), give or take a few.

It appears that the actual problem people have with Kenichi fighting at such a level is that we constantly see a separation between disciples' powers and masters' powers. It's true that we have yet to see a disciple that master's class. The gap between the disciples and masters though isn't as wide as people may believe:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7008/82512036vj7.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=82512036vj7.jpg)
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5131/97616794qv6.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=97616794qv6.jpg)
We've already seen one of the teenagers defeat a "Master". Certainly Renka would have lost if it were 1on1, but replace the assistants with people such as Miu, Rachel, or Kenichi, the odds would still be in favor for the teenagers. Thus, we can conclude that Kenichi has now entered the stage where he is just a league below "master-class". It's likely he'll be able to compete (and even defeat) "master-class" fighters by the end of his second high school year.

It seems entirely unbelievable at first glance, but not necessarily. Allow me to explain my rationale.

For starters, it should be noted that Kenichi is "genius", albeit in the unorthodox sense. Normally being a "genius" means you learn faster than the average rate, but what I am addressing is latent potential. The phrase that best describes Kenichi is that he is a "Diamond in the Rough". For people who don't know what it means, the phrase is metaphorical and relates to the fact that naturally occurring diamonds are quite ordinary at first glance, and that their true beauty as jewels is only realized through the cutting and polishing process; this phrase describes Kenichi wonderfully. At first glance, Kenichi appears quite ordinary. His build is thin, he has no talent, etc. But when Kenichi is subjected through the cutting and polishing process, it's quite clear that there's more to Kenichi than what meets the eye. His true talent lies within his potential. As noted by both Ogata and Hayato, Kenichi's potential is so massive that if unlocked, Kenichi would become the strongest in the world.

We also know Kenichi's growth-rate is also abnormal, very abnormal. Despite the fact that Kenichi has only been studying martial arts for little over a year, he has defeated countless opponents who have been studying their entire lives. This fact is best illustrated by how Kenichi has won his fights against Ryuto and Shou. Boris even ponders as to how Kenichi's strength had radically improved since their previous fight. In addition, Kenichi is routinely compared to Hayato, who is described as being the most powerful man alive. (I can't even think of a shounen protagonist who doesn't become ridiculously powerful within a relatively short period of time.)

Finally, Kenichi is guaranteed to end up fighting Saiga. He's the "Big Boss" in Yami, and the "bosses" are exclusively reserved for Kenichi. We know this is the truth as evidenced by how Kenichi defeated Ryuto (Ragnarok's leader), Shou (YOMI's leader), and he'll eventually defeat Kajima, who is the current "Big Boss". Also, have we ever had anyone besides the protagonist defeat a "Big Boss" in a shounen series, specifically when when the said villain is the leading candidate for final villain? The correct answer is "Never".

Kenichi vs Saiga doesn't have to be now. It won't even be occurring anytime soon; and it isn't ridiculous for Kenichi to become a Super Master within the next couple of years (in the manga), especially with how his growth-rate has been consistantly handled.

Ma Kensei

February 11, 2009, 05:05 PM

If the manga were called History's Strongest Fighter or something to somesuch effect I'd agree with you but the very title suggests Kenichi will be the greatest of disciples. Beating Saiga would make Kenichi not only master level it would make him one of if not the strongest master around which would rather defy the manga's title.

If you think about it Ogata was the real big bad of the Ragnarok arc and not Odin and yet Kenichi didn't fight Ogata despite having multiple good reasons to do so. Saiga is the big bad but Kenichi's final battle of this arc will be Kajima

Imperial_dao

February 11, 2009, 06:44 PM

you all make great areguments. what i wanna say is we are kinda affected in a way by how the manga presents masters. the yami and ryo masters are all super masters. to be honest kenichi has already fought a master class. remember shou, his reflexes and skill were master class. and he was able to stand up to christopher eclair who was also master class. and plus saiga and hyato are superhuman not super master... prolly...and the D of D guy was a low class master that got his ass handed to him by kids. sorry if this makes little sense my thoughts are a mess right now... @.@ also what if kenichi recognizes renka's genuine desire to help him and her feelings for him, during this arc. how do you think this will affect miu and kenichi's relationship. Renka has actually been looking pretty hot in these latest chapters.

ej619ako

February 12, 2009, 01:47 AM

Hi this is my 1st time posting here.

I hope Kenichi throws away his belief of never to hit women because he should know by now that because of that belief, his friends may be Endangered(Renka). Also, i think that he is disrespecting his opponent by that belief because even though his opponent is trying her hardest, he just stand there guarding himself like an idiot. If he respects women, he should just do his best when they are doing their best.

Ma Kensei

February 12, 2009, 07:44 AM

Renka has been potrayed as one of the strongest disciples either on par with or superior to Kenichi. Anybody she needs to be saved from would require Kenichi to pull out the same level or greater power than he used against Shou and he's not going to do that against a woman. People need to stop underestimating Renka and trying to change Kenichi's beliefs it seems virtually certain to me that this'll be Renka's win but seeing as she's nervous it'll likely be a hard battle but then again this manga never has easy battles.

Now as to the issue of disrespecting his foes Kisara thought this when she fought Kenichi but then she came to respect him sticking to his beliefs despite the punding she was giving him. Li Raichi thought he was a sucker for holding back against her but she realised he was her superior in every way because of how easily he handled her while holding back. Kenichi has yet to fight a woman he needs to go all out against and he never will because there's lots of strong women who can stand in for him.