The Prince of Tennis by Konomi Takeshi

[chikkychappy]

Well, yeah, you have a point.

But another gripe: Niou can NOT be reserve (unless there'd be an extra game). He looked so demonic in 345 so he must be planning something. Rikkai reserve would either be Yagyuu or Jackal. I think it'll be the former.

[Atobe the king]

I don care about doubles but my singles match ups is a little different
Singles 3-Fuji VS Kirihara
Singles 2-Ryoma Vs Sanada
Singles 1-Tezuka Vs Yukimura

Theyve been leading up to that for a while, Yukimura was considered to be on Tezukas level, and they were both away from their teams during the Kantou finals the manga seemed to be leading towards the fact that they would face one another in the finals

[kangster113]

yea i definitely want to see yukimura vs. tezuka.

seriously i hate echizen's play style. All he does is Drive B, Muga no kyouchi( just basically copying other people's tricks)

seriously, atobe and sanada could kill echizen 6-0 to be realistic. i just hate seeing his play style. he needs to depend on his "given" powers to beat other people. i hope kintaro crushes him, the other players " earn their skills" not just get it right b efore getting crushed by a player. like echizen was gonna lose against kirihara and suddenly he turns into like a invincible tennis player.

i hate echizen!

[ItachiKiller46]

yea i definitely want to see yukimura vs. tezuka.

seriously i hate echizen's play style. All he does is Drive B, Muga no kyouchi( just basically copying other people's tricks)

seriously, atobe and sanada could kill echizen 6-0 to be realistic. i just hate seeing his play style. he needs to depend on his "given" powers to beat other people. i hope kintaro crushes him, the other players " earn their skills" not just get it right b efore getting crushed by a player. like echizen was gonna lose against kirihara and suddenly he turns into like a invincible tennis player.

i hate echizen!

I don't really mind his play style but I guess i get you.
Here's my lineup.
Singles 2Fuji vs. Sanada 7-5 S
Singles 3Tezuka vs. Kirihara 6-3 S
Singles 1Echizen vs. Yukimura 7-6 S
Doubles 2 Renji and Jackel vs. Inui and Kaidoh 4-6 R
Doubles 1 Yagyuu and that white haired guy (Can't remember his name) vs. Oishi and Eiji 6-7 R

[Atobe the king]

yea i definitely want to see yukimura vs. tezuka.

seriously i hate echizen's play style. All he does is Drive B, Muga no kyouchi( just basically copying other people's tricks)

seriously, atobe and sanada could kill echizen 6-0 to be realistic. i just hate seeing his play style. he needs to depend on his "given" powers to beat other people. i hope kintaro crushes him, the other players " earn their skills" not just get it right b efore getting crushed by a player. like echizen was gonna lose against kirihara and suddenly he turns into like a invincible tennis player.

i hate echizen!

I have to disagree, its tennis no one "owns" anything, Kaidoh's snake is a good example, and sanada also uses muga no kyouchi that point is invalid, Muga No kyouchi is a "given Power" you dont see evryone using it and as for Kirihara he was in Devil mode, muga no kyouchi was a balance

If anything you should Despise Kabaji

im not an Echizen fanboy by the way as my user name suggests im an Atobe fan

I would hate if Echizen played Yukimura, he needs to slow his roll, hes already beaten 2/5 of the national level players tezuka should take this one

[gigantor21]

^ I agree--it should be Tezuka vs. Yukimura. But I picked that based on what I think will happen.

Ryoma should never have beaten Atobe, and it would've been way better for the story if he lost to Sanada, but Konomi is hellbent on making him the best player in the series. It's like he thinks we want him to reach his Dad's level before high school or something; the U.S. Open win in the anime doesn't seem farfetched anymore.

Maybe his editors are pushing that, I don't know--but at the rate Ryoma's going, there's no reason for him play Sanada or Akaya again.

[Atobe the king]

^ I agree--it should be Tezuka vs. Yukimura. But I picked that based on what I think will happen.

Ryoma should never have beaten Atobe, and it would've been way better for the story if he lost to Sanada, but Konomi is hellbent on making him the best player in the series. It's like he thinks we want him to reach his Dad's level before high school or something; the U.S. Open win in the anime doesn't seem farfetched anymore.

Maybe his editors are pushing that, I don't know--but at the rate Ryoma's going, there's no reason for him play Sanada or Akaya again.

I think ryoma should have the right to beat them both, Nanjirou himself said he had the luxury of no challengers (dont remember when) Echizen doesnt have that, its not like Ryoma overwhelms his opponents its usually close and they run him ragged before he wins especially people like Atobe and Sanada and Akutsu Jin, he defeated Atobe not using Muga No Kyoiuchi, he had taken the Aura off and used the Instinctively created nanjirou/Ryoma zone to make the comeback stamina won that match, now that i look back, besides practice matches, has ryoma ever lost an official match?

As for the Us open i take the Anime filler with a grain of Salt, the west coast Captain Kevin Smith almost made me stop watching, i like muga no kyouchi but i despise blatant copying

[Unforgiven]

I also think tetsuka has to play versus yukimura.2 best players in Japan. I hope tetsuka will win, and we will see a secret match between Tetsuka and echizen after the tournement.

It's possible to make echizen played again Sanada. Why not? Even he already defeat him. :p

The worst thing could be: Double 1: Tetsuka - Echizen VS Sanada - Yukimura :darn

[Atobe the king]

i pray thats not the case

[chikkychappy]

^True. The finals should first establish who really is the best in all of the Japan (Tezuka or Yukimura) BEFORE Echizen goes on defeating whoever that person is. That way everyone will be happy.

[Slippers]

Remember in his last 1-rally match? He did something that was concealed in the smoke, and Fuji said that it was "The Pinicle of Perfection(Forgot the Japanese name)"
So I'm thinking that when Echizen plays against Yukimaura he's going to shock everyone

^ And also, I think Tezuka wanted Echizen to play Yukimura, just like before when Tezuka wanted Echizen to be in singles 1 against Atobe

[Slippers]

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[gigantor21]

^ Fuji and Chitose thought it was the Teni Muhou, but remember that Nanjirou said "not by a long shot" and that he's going to start training Ryoma. Granted, that's a moot point now, because there's a good chance you'll still be right. But I just wanted to put that out there.

In regards to Tezuka and Ryoma's growth, we haven't seen the samurai afterimage since the Sanada match. I was surprised that we didn't see it against Atobe, since they're both in the same skill range as players. So I'm expecting to see that here, along with an explanation of what it really is.

[Fayte]

There is a reason to why Tezuka and Sanada were the only ones to actually see the image.

[kurama21]

is there a PoT this week ???

[Slippers]

^ Yeah, I was wondering that too, it hasn't come out yet, which is kind of odd because One Piece, Bleach and Naruto have all come out already. It should be out already...

[TEK]

My guess is that there probably isn't one this week since it's not out already. I can't wait for the next chapter though. I want to know who's playing against who.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

My guess is that there probably isn't one this week since it's not out already. I can't wait for the next chapter though. I want to know who's playing against who.

Nope there won't be one this week and probably not one next week. At the end of 345 there was anote saying that the author is taking a short break to gather data

[Astray]

Cursed author xD. Come back to work, suspense is bad.

[Tieuson]

tezuka vs yukimura, must and please hahah I watch this whole anime just for that crazy match... and if they won't give it then no point of watching this anime no more... echizen beats everyone forever.... and always evolve.. and the question between who is strongest in tennis will never be revealed... hahahaha honestly guys.. after a match of tezuka vs yukimura.. even if I die, I have no regrets.. that's how important that match means... the strongest vs the strongest.... it's like in bleach... urahara vs aizen? haha wouldn't that be wild... and in naruto would be Gyraiya vs itachi, spelled the old man's name wrong.. anyways tezuka vs yukimura that's all I need from this point. I watched since day one and read the manga just for that match... and fuji vs sanada would be great... and one other match i wanted to see was fuji vs atobe.. or a rematch of tezuka vs atobe... all great matches....

[whatsntomake]

Theres no way that Kirahara would play, he got pretty beat up in the last match. I'm assuming Yukimaru takes his spot.

[TEK]

I dunno though. Even though Kirihara got beat up, he still came back from match point down 5-0 and beat down Krauser to win 7-5. He even activated a crazier version of his devil mode. While I personally think it'd be repetitive to use him, he is a strong player and I could see him getting tossed into a doubles match but I'm not sure. Yukimura and Sanada are both guarantees for singles matches as is Tezuka and Echizen. Singles 3 is still up for grabs for both sides. One doubles team for sure will be the Golden Pair and they have to win this time since they lost to the Hyotei pair of Shishido/Ootari. But as for the other Seigaku doubles team, I have no idea.

[chikkychappy]

As for me, no way will Kirihara not play. Konomi upgraded him to the devil mode in order to make Rikkai more scary and for the eventual win of Seigaku to perhaps be sweeter.

I still want Tezuka vs Yukimura. Unless one of them play (and not against each other), I'll never give it up. I just really really really want it to be. :(

The other doubles pair would most likely be Inui/Kaidoh.

[Fayte]

even if I die, I have no regrets.. that's how important that match means...

Rofl. Tieuson never stops amazing me.

[CoolS]

I can find this hapter nowhere. Link in post 1 doesn't work. HELP please :(

[kangster113]

tezuka vs yukimura, must and please hahah I watch this whole anime just for that crazy match... and if they won't give it then no point of watching this anime no more... echizen beats everyone forever.... and always evolve.. and the question between who is strongest in tennis will never be revealed... hahahaha honestly guys.. after a match of tezuka vs yukimura.. even if I die, I have no regrets.. that's how important that match means... the strongest vs the strongest.... it's like in bleach... urahara vs aizen? haha wouldn't that be wild... and in naruto would be Gyraiya vs itachi, spelled the old man's name wrong.. anyways tezuka vs yukimura that's all I need from this point. I watched since day one and read the manga just for that match... and fuji vs sanada would be great... and one other match i wanted to see was fuji vs atobe.. or a rematch of tezuka vs atobe... all great matches....

for prince of tennis the strongest vs. strongest would be either

kintaro vs. echizen
yukimura vs. tezuka
yukimura vs. kintaro
echizen vs. tezuka

Bleach= urahara would not even be a level of aizen lol.
aizen vs. Gotei 13 division 1 captain

naruto =
itachi vs. sasuke
Akatsuki leader vs. Itachi

[Grandsummoner]

Hmm... must admit, I'm hoping for something really surprising, like Tezuka and Fuji vs. Sanada and Yukimura for doubles 1 or something. Then Kirihara, the rising underclassman would go against Echizen in singles 1.

[bax]

The RAW is out!! Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13469)

Go ahead and discuss the chapter here :amuse

[Fayte]

TEZUKA VS SANADA JUST WHAT I WANTED <3333333333333333333

GO SANADA GO!

(Tezuka and Sanada in singles 3? suprise)

[Hyde]

Yukimura vs Echizen at the end then? Woot :)

[Tieuson]

tezuka sanada? lolz what a move that the author made.. contradict all the points of the anime so far... too bad .. all 2 years worth of waiting eh? anyways I don't need to read.... tezuka won't lose and no point of watching this anime further. it will die out from this point. good luck all of you ..

[Sai_the_Shaman]

umm the anime doesn't matter Tieuson and actually I think Tezuka has a good chance of losing this match.

I really like this match-up. We get 2 of the stonecold badass players in the game going at it.

Now, as kobashi over at FET reminded me, the FuuRinKaZan are all based on precpts from Sun Tsu's Art of War. Specifically the 7th chapter (took a long time to research that part). However in the chapter there are 6 things mentioned.

Swift like the Wind (we know this one)
Dense like the Forest
Invade like Fire (we know this as well)
Immovable like the Mountains

Those are from Fuu Rin Ka Zan only and we have still yet to see those. I think those all together will break Tezuka zone.

However we also have 2 others.

Strike like a Thunderbolt (we've kinda seen this, not really)

and

Unpredictable like the Shadows (no mention yet)

I have a theory that the Thunderbolt will be used to break Hyakuren and Shadow will break Saikikanpatsu. not sure how the thunderbolt will work but the shadows sure seem liek a Saikikanpatsu breaker. Afterall if Sanada becomes unpredictable then Saikikanpatsu can't work since Tezuka won't be able to read him any more. I really hope this is the case. It will be the most awesome match in the series thus far.

Well thats all I have to say for now.

[chikkychappy]

^Wow. Nice analysis. If that's the case, then I'm really starting to like this match-up, for given the poem and the three doors, everything fits. :)

[kangster113]

nothing can beat the hyakuren/saiki, nothing!!. tezuka will definitely win this game,


darn my prediction is off now

singles 2. fuji vs. kirihara
singles 1 echizen vs. yukimura

[HikaruYami]

I agree with Kangster's current lineup, but it's obvious no matter how you look at it that Echizen HAS to face Yukimura. I'm honestly appalled at the idea that so many people wanted a REMATCH of Echizen vs. Sanada, even though Echizen won. As long as I get to see the current match and the Echizen vs. Yukimura match all the way through, this series will be remembered as one of the best ever for me.

Oh, and I might as well guess on who wins each match while I'm here,

Tezuka wins.

Doubles 2 pair loses (whoever they are, probably Inui and Mamushi(they've become a nice doubles pair), since Momo was willing to go off to find Echizen, he's probably not playing)

Fuji loses Singles 2.

Doubles 1, the Golden Pair (now, this BETTER happen. The author's been leading up to it for the ENTIRE MANGA) wins.

Echizen wins Singles 1 (could it be ANY more obvious?)

[sudku]

Fuji loses again? I don't think so. It will be too much for him. I think thah Fuji and Tezuka will win and both double pairs will lose. I think that:
Tezuka win
Doubles 2 lose
Doubles 1 lose
Fuji win
Echizen win and after that he play with Tezuka and win again. This will be perfect end for this anime.

[Fayte]

There is a 70% chance that Sanada will beat Tezuka based on my calculations. It would also appear I was correct about my pairs so far.

[alia]

i dont think tezuka will lose, although it will be a close match up, hyakuren/saik combo together are basically unbeatable, it will be close- and sanada will probably show most if not all of the rest of his fuu rin ka zan. anyways, lolfayte, your 'inui like' data, i mean, how did you know it was 70% sanada would win? there isnt the type of data that can prove this, its just you being biased towards sanada lol.

[Fayte]

lolfayte, your 'inui like' data, i mean, how did you know it was 70% sanada would win? there isnt the type of data that can prove this, its just you being biased towards sanada lol.

You keep talking crazy.

Reasons for Tezuka losing this match:

-Tezuka was shown to have beaten every person in any match so far (and yes, even atobe)
-Tezuka has beaten Sanada once before already (Revenge is shown)
-Tezuka has already opened 2 doors, making everybody "think" he is unbeatable
-Tezuka is highly overrated compared to Sanada who is the underdog in this match
-Sanada was the strongest antagonist in Kantou
-Tezuka's growth in the nationals was already shown, Sanada's was not.
-Tezuka losing would give Echizen the boost he needs to defeat Yukimura and also possibly a wanted rematch with Sanada
-Tezuka won in the semi finals

[kangster113]

hmmm... one person from singles is definitely going to lose, i hope it's not fuji or tezuka, i hope echizen loses

[Requiem]

Fuji loses again? I don't think so. It will be too much for him. I think thah Fuji and Tezuka will win and both double pairs will lose. I think that:
Tezuka win
Doubles 2 lose
Doubles 1 lose
Fuji win
Echizen win and after that he play with Tezuka and win again. This will be perfect end for this anime.
if the match is going like you wrote, then Golden Pair's dream will never be fullfilled, and I think that Konomi will let them shine in the final

[Tenshi123]

I'm doubting Tezuka's going to lose, I don't think Fuji's gonna lose again, and Echizen's obviously not gonna lose, and the Golden Pair has to win, so I'm thinking there's gonna have to be a tie somewhere...not sure though.

[bax]

Honestly, I think Tezuka gonna lose this time. I don't know if it's true, looks like the Tezuka Zone has changed too. It has become more wide.

Well, it's either he is forced to modify his Tezuka Zone or Sanada is actually breaking Tezuka Zone. Either way, this shows that Sanada is really pushing Tezuka. And no, I don't buy that Tezuka purposely did that. If his Tezuka Zone is strong enough against Sanada, why must "change" the stance?

And yes, Tezuka still hasn't open any doors. But remember, Sanada has at least SoSA at his disposal. If everyone has evolved during the break between the prefecture tournament and the National, Sanada can too.

[Bloodios]

I don't mind seeing either Tezuka or Sanada lose the match. I just want a nice game. I need see both of them play until they exhale their last breath.

If anybody want to see something that would look some what logical than it's gonna be like this: a draw for Tezuka and Sanada (I don't like the idea of a failed revenge though), with both of them flatted on the ground and whole place is messed up. Then Double 2 will lose (never had any hope for Double 2, whoever they are). Then Fuji stepped up for Single 2 and beat the devil out of Kirihara. Double 1 is going to rule the match, they have to be. Then Ryoma returns and there will be a God-like battle between him and Yukimura. It's going to be pretty much like Tezuka vs. Sanada match, but Echizen win in the end (draw his last breath along with Yukimura). From the way I see this, either Tezuka have a draw or lose now, then Fuji will be the winner. Otherwise, if Tezuka win this match, then Fuji have to lose along with Double 2, in order for Double 1 and Echizen win their matches. It wouldn't make any sense to have Fuji lose to Kirihara, that would be really messed up (depend on what people think). So basically, the result of this Tezuka vs. Sanada match would best to be a draw or having Tezuka lose.

What do you guys think?

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*I think this is funny: Yukimura is the Captain, Sanada is Vice Captain => Yukimura Sanada*

[gigantor21]

I saw a Chinese scan a few days ago, and Singles 1 is Sanada vs. Tezuka. A lot of people on StopTazmo are pissed, because that makes Yukimura vs. Ryoma a done deal--which is the last thing any of us wanted to see. Many of the regulars on that section feel that their continued investment in the series was wasted--while I don't blame them, I totally saw it coming, so I'm not that disappointed.

[CoolS]

I really don't care for anyones match as much as for the Golden Pair. I mean come on, they just have to win, they've gone through SO much and now it's the chance to be the best double. The rest? Echizen will obviously win. Ahh lets just wait and see.

[Fayte]

Sanada will take his revenge here. Fuji will most likely win, and so will echizen.

[Atobe the king]

I dont think tezuka will lose, he will likely play echizen afterwards and that would be his time to loose
I think doubles 2 and doubles 1 (unfortuanately) will lose
Eiji and oishi will either draw or have a very close match
Fuji wil destroy kirihara
Echizen will probably achieve the pinnacle of perfection against yukimura

[Requiem]

Sanada will take his revenge here. Fuji will most likely win, and so will echizen.
I agree, Fuji-Oishi/Kikumaru-Echizen will win their game.

Singles3: Tezuka Vs Sanada (Sanada wins)
Doubles2: Oishi/Kikumaru Vs ? (Oishi/Kikumaru wins)
Singles2: Fuji Vs ? (Fuji wins)
Doubles1: Inui/Kaido Vs Yanagi/Yagyu (Yanagi/Yagyuu wins)
Singles1: Echizen Vs Yukimura (Echizen wins)

[Grandsummoner]

I'm gonna suck it up and say there's a very good chance of Tezuka losing here. The way it seems the Nationals go, Seigaku has been having their "solo" moments where something that you don't expect to happen happens. Like Kikumaru having a singles match and winning or Fuji finally playing and losing. The last time Tezuka played, it was in a doubles match and he won.

[kokusaikone]

When was the first time that Tezuka and Sanada met in a match? Much as I detest it, looks like Tezuka will lose. This will justify why Echizen earned the right to meet up with Yukimura.

[TEK]

I agree with many of you. I feel that this is what's gonna happen:
Singles 3: Tezuka vs. Sanada (Sanada wins)
Doubles 2: ??? vs. ??? (Rikkadai pair wins)
Singles 2: Fuji vs. ??? (Fuji wins)
Doubles 1: Golden Pair vs. ??? (Golden Pair wins)
Singles 1: Echizen vs. Yukimura (Echizen wins)

The reason why I feel like Seigaku has to lose the first 2 matches is because it puts them in a huge bind. Losing the first 2 like they did in the first match against Rikkadai back in the Kantou tournament will be a huge pressure on Seigaku. But just like last time, Seigaku will win 2 in a row to even up the score. But this time, since Yukimura is there, Sanada will say something to the extent of "You've done well to come this far, but it all ends here. There's no way our Yukimura will lose." This will be a very close match and will probably start out with Yukimura dominating, possibly to the point of 5-0. Then at the point where all hope seems lost, Echizen will bust out the Pinnacle of Perfection and rally back to victory. (However, there is a chance where I could see Yukimura holding on and still winning which would mark Echizen's first official loss and thus ending the series similar to Slam Dunk with Seigaku failing to win Nationals. I highly doubt it but it's still a possibility.)

[taniquetil]

Well see the only problem I see with Echizen beating Yukimura is that it doesn't give any closure to the manga. Echizen just played against Kintarou and it ended in a draw, which means if Yukimura loses to Echizen Kintarou will also have leverage over Yukimura. I would be very unhappy if Konami made Kintarou and not Yukimura the final opponent, since Yukimura's been a strong character ever since the first Rikkai match.

My bold prediction is that Echizen will lose to Yukimura, and he's going to need some help, possibly from his dad, possibly from Kintarou in order to fully use Pinnacle of Perfection, since the kid shouldn't be able to beat the best tennis player in Japan YET. YUkimura is older, has more experience, and just plain cooler.

It's just too bad we will never see closure in the Echizen vs. Kintarou match.

[TEK]

While Echizen's match ended with a draw with Kintarou, that does not mean that Kintarou has leverage over Yukimura if Echizen wins. The only reason Echizen is gonna beat Yukimura is if he uses the Pinnacle of Perfection. And if he uses that, then it'll imply that he's capable of beating Kintarou as well.

[Hyde]

The reason Echizen's away is, I think, because his father was teaching him a few things. Like, how to kick ass even more.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

There was a spoiler that kobashi over at FET posted from 2chan. here's the transaltion for it.

バレ
Bare Spoiler

真田、手塚ゾーンを破る。
Sanada destroys Tezuka Zone

真田が言うには手塚ゾーンの弱点は連続した力に弱いことらしい。
Sanada says that the weakpoint of Tezuka Zone appears to be that it weakens the longer it is used

審判「15-0」
Referee: "15-0"

手塚「互いにかなりの努力をしてきたようだな。だが・・・。」
Tezuka: "It appears that we're both exerting quite a bit of effort. That is why...."

手塚、才気発動する。
Tezuka activates Saiki

真田も無我の境地になる
Sanada also activate Mugas no Kyouchi

手塚「12球だ」
Tezuka "It'll be 12 shots"

真田「静かなること林の如く」
Sanada: "Quiet, Like the Forest"

審判「30-0」
Referee: "30-0"

大石「手塚の才気が外れた！」
Oishi: "Tezuka's Saiki wa off!"

真田「俺の風林火山の林はどんな技も受け流して無効化することが出来る。無我の境地とて例外でわないわ！」
Sanada: "The Forest (it will either be prounounced Hayashi or Rin) of my FuuRinKaZan is able to ward off those kinds of moves as well. Muga no Kyouchi is not an exception to it"

幸村「確かに林はどんな技も無効に出来る。だがあの技には致命的な弱点がある。そこに気付かなければ負けるぞ弦一郎。」
Yukimura: "Forest certainly is able to ward off such techniques. However, that move also has a fatal weakness to it. If you do not realize it Genichirou, you will surely lose"

一方軽井沢
Scene switch to Karuizawa

南次郎「違うだろリョーマ！もう一度言うぞ。天衣無縫の極みは3つの技によって出来ている。一つ目は諸行無常、二つ目は古今無双、三つ目は天衣無縫だ。
天衣無縫の極みは最強のプレイスタイルだ。この三つの技を駆使して始めて天衣無縫の極みと言える。わかったらもう一回行くぞ！」

Nanjirou: "That all wrong Ryoma! I'll say it once more. Ten'imuhou no Kiwami is only possible if you know the 3 moves preceeding it. First, Shogyoumujou (The Impermanence of Worldly Possessions). Second, Kokonmusou (Unparallelled in History). Third, Ten'imuhou (Perfection). Ten'muhou no Kiwami is the strongest playstyle. In order to begin Ten'imuhou no Kiwami, you must be able to use all three of these techniques freely. Now if you understand this, Let's try again."

リョーマ「やってやろうじゃん」
Ryoma: "Okay, let'd do this"





Second Spoiler transaltion...I don't think it's true

テニヌ
Teninu (I think they jsut mispelled Tenis lol)

手塚ゾーンが崩されかけている
Tezuka zone is destroyed

三年前の回想
Reflection of 3 years ago

小学生大会シングルス決勝で手塚に負けた真田は、手塚に言う
Elementary School Tournament Singles Finals. Sanada loses to Tezuka.

「手塚、俺は負けた。それは事実だ。だが勝っただけでは、貴様が俺より上だという根拠にはならぬ。」
"Tezuka, I had lost. That is the truth. Though it was only a win for you, it was unbearable for me to believe that you were above me"

そして試合に戻る
Scene returns back the matsh

手塚のコートにはボールが転がっている
A ball is rolling on Tezuka's side of the court

真田はラケットを振った様子もない
Sanada's racket looks like it was jsut swung

観戦している者は何が起こったかわからない
The people watchign the game are in a stir about waht jsut happened

真田「…疾きこと真・風の如し…」
Sanada: "Swift, Like the True Wind" (True wind is Shin Kaze)

そして幸村は言う「これは勝ち負けの戦いではない。強いか弱いかを決める一戦だ！」
Yukimura says: "This is not a battle about victory or defeat. This is a match about who is strong and who is weak"

[VanFanel]

Singles 3: Tezuka beats Sanada
Doubles 2: Inui-Kaidou loses to Rikkai pair
Singles 2: Yukimura beats Echizen
Doubles 1: Oishi-Kikumaru beats Rikkai pair
Singles 1: Fuji beats Kirihara (who finally gets to be S1)
At least it would be logical, but as everyone knows Echizen won't lose in the Tournament Finals.
We will have to watch Tezuka lose.. and after the match Echizen will say he took Seigaku pillar by force =P
But two things that seem to be certain.. Golden Pair and Fuji will win.. it must be obvious

[Sai_the_Shaman]

slightly OT: if anyone is interested I've posted some spoilers out for this weeks chapter posted with translation at the Tenipuri Spoiler board. (thought I might announce it since most people probably don't look at the board)

[Bloodios]

According to the spoiler, Tezuka zone is destroyed, and Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami was broken by Sanada's Rin (oh, need to add the word "easily"), so things are looking quite grim for Tezuka. For those who believed in Seigaku's infamous "swim-against-the-current", I'll tell you that it won't work. After all, Tezuka has to lose in order for Golden Pair and Fuji to win, in a way that will make perfect sense (I can't see Fuji losing to Kirihara will make any sense at all, neither for the Golden Pair to lose after all the things that were building up for this very moment).

Yukimura did say that there are weaknesses in Sanada's technique, but that really doesn't matter now, does it? We all know what kind of result this match has to be in order to let the more meaningful ones shine.

I'm more interesting in the three techniques(keys) that are required to open the door to Teni Muhou no Kiwami that Najirou is trying to teach Ryoma.

[trikelandie]

I really do hope that Tezuka will win but since I think that Sanada will break Tezuka Zone, there might be a chance that he will win too.

Either way, they are both experienced players and I am sure it will be a tight match. I think we will get to see a lot of their tactics in this chapter

Fingers Crossed for Tezuka winning- his the best!!!
I hope that Fuji and the Goldern Pair win their matches as well. Go Seigaku!!

[Atobe the king]

thespectrum.net rotates POT

[james4182003]

What if we have it messed up and Echizen somehow plays doubles? LOL. That would be hilarious.
[hr]
Then again, I could be crazy. There is a *ahem* 70% chance that I am sane...

[whatsntomake]

Have we all forgotten that match between Tachibana and Chitose -> there is a huge huge difference in those that can use gates and those that can't. Don't forget that Tezuka has 2 gates. So what if Tezuka's zone got destroyed - he'll just use two gates. Once Tezuka uses his 2 gates all of Sanada's move will be used back against him x2 etc.

[Tenshi123]

I kinda think it's obvious that the Tezuka Zone's gonna be destroyed...Think there's gonna be another endless tiebreaker? (probably, no way either one's going down easily)

[Bloodios]

Have we all forgotten that match between Tachibana and Chitose -> there is a huge huge difference in those that can use gates and those that can't. Don't forget that Tezuka has 2 gates. So what if Tezuka's zone got destroyed - he'll just use two gates. Once Tezuka uses his 2 gates all of Sanada's move will be used back against him x2 etc.

If what the spoiler said is true, then Sanada's Rin broke Tezuka's Saiki in one move. Not to mention there are many stuffs up Sanada's sleeves, like Thunder and blah blah something. He also has Muga as anyone should know, so it's kinda obvious that this ain't gonna be easy for Tezuka.

To be honest, I have been thinking the same way you did,.... until I see the spoiler.

[phyllidae]

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8113

[Vegeta666]

I actually think there's a good chance of Seigaku losing. The way I see it might be a little crazy but here goes:

Singles 3: Sanada beats Tezuka
Doubles 2: Inui-Kaidou beats Rikkai pair
Singles 2: Kirihara beats Fuji
Doubles 1: Oishi-Kikumaru beats Rikkai pair
Singles 1: Yukimura beats Echizen

Now most people are predicting Echizen will win in the end but I think it would be better for him to lose. I believe Sanada will beat Tezuka and not in a tie breaker(6-4 Probably). I know I'm crazy for picking both of Seigaku's doubles to win but I'm going out on a limb here. Kirihara will beat Fuji, in what might be the best match of the 5. Yukimura over Echizen in either a tie breaker or winning 7-5. Think Echizen will jump out to an early advantage and be brought back to reality by Yukimura. Echizen of course will come back, make the match interesting but in the end will come up short.

I know I'm probably wrong with aleast two of the matches but hey if I'm right I look like a genius, if I'm wrong I look like the rest of the people who predicted wrong,lol, either way it should be a great final.

[Fayte]

I know I'm probably wrong with aleast two of the matches but hey if I'm right I look like a genius, if I'm wrong I look like the rest of the people who predicted wrong,lol, either way it should be a great final.

I'm with you on this. I said months ago that Sanada has a 15% chance of using PoP in the finals, and Yukimura has a 65% chance of using it.

[Atobe the king]

Now that i think, tezuka may loose but fuji has to win now that hes found motivation to do so, rikkai winning again shouldnt happen, i'll admit echizen should lose to yukimura but he shouldnt play him in the first place, it should have been yukimura vs tezuka

[TEK]

While I do agree that Tezuka should've played Yukimura, I'm glad that he isn't. If he did, it'd make almost all of the matches repetitive. Echizen has played both Kirihara and Sanada already (Sanada in an official one and Kirihara in an unofficial one) so the only powerhouse of Rikkai left to face off against would be Yukimura. Granted, I do think Echizen's not ready for Yukimura but if his dad does train him in using the PoP, then it'll definitely be worth it.

[Fuji]

I still think Tezuka wins. I don't care what Sanada has up his sleeve. Tezuka just always seems to be one step ahead of his opponent. The match with Atobe he completely fooled Atobe and played Atobe's game and almost won. The match with whats-his-name from Higa Chuu was another instance of this. He just took the next step and crushed him. The match with Kabaji should have been an easy victory. Copying one of the three doors didn't make much sense to me when all you can see is an aura and basic muscle movements. But whatever, he still had another ace up his sleeve with his experience in the rain which turned out to be a lucky break. The match with Chitose completely blew Tezuka's potential out of the water. Two doors at once is not possible to beat in my opinion. You can see the match in short bursts ahead of time and can return the opponents ball with 3x times the speed and spin. You really can't be beat in that situation.

Sanada surpassing Saiki with one move without Muga is hard to believe and would create some serious inconsistencies in the manga. I see Tezuka winning this match, Inui and Kaidoh losing against Jackal and Bunta, Fuji losing against Kirihara after Kirihara uses Muga consistently, Eiji and Oishi beating Yanagi and Nioh, and Echizen beating Yukimura cause Echizen can't lose in an official match it seems....

[TEK]

While I do hope Tezuka wins, I can't see Fuji losing 2 matches in a row. Thus, the only possibility in my mind is to make Tezuka finally lose when he's at full strength or make the Golden Pair lose. Cuz if they make Echizen lose, then Seigaku will not win Nationals. I feel like the Golden Pair and Echizen have to win thus meaning either Fuji or Tezuka will have to lose. And since Fuji lost recently, it would make sense that Tezuka would lose this time around, but I could be wrong. Maybe Seigaku will win this before it even gets to Echizen's match and Echizen plays Yukimura for fun kinda like what he did with Kintarou except this time, Echizen shows the PoP and completely dominates.

[Fayte]

Sanada surpassing Saiki with one move without Muga is hard to believe and would create some serious inconsistencies in the manga.

Are you kidding? Sanada is the best opponent Seigaku ever faced.

[Bloodios]

Let's me just say this, and hopefully it'll make sense. The author didn't need to give some hints about Sanada's new techniques, go as far as metioning Sanada's losses to Tezuka, and letting Sanada saying that he'll have his revenge just to show the audience that he'll just lose to Tezuka again, that just don't make any sense. This match can only be either a draw or Tezuka ends up losing to Sanada.

Anyway, keep on arguing won't do any good, why don't we just wait for the chapter to come out.

[Hyde]

Bloodios you can't hope to convince someone with a "Sanada Fan" sign that Sanada isn't that strong ^^

[HikaruYami]

hmm... a flashback of 3 years ago wouldn't be surprising, but if only one of those is right, it's probably the first one. Thanks for the spoilers, Sai. The raw should be out soon.

[HikaruYami]

Hyde, did you READ Bloodios's post? It clearly said that Sanada would win.

... As much as I hate to admit it, I believe Tezuka will barely lose this match.

[whatsntomake]

If what the spoiler said is true, then Sanada's Rin broke Tezuka's Saiki in one move. Not to mention there are many stuffs up Sanada's sleeves, like Thunder and blah blah something. He also has Muga as anyone should know, so it's kinda obvious that this ain't gonna be easy for Tezuka.

To be honest, I have been thinking the same way you did,.... until I see the spoiler.

Hmm if thats really the case then Sanada is a worthy opponent =), well I can't wait to see the chapter anyways ;)

[kangster113]

man, why won't the raw come out already,

[Atobe the king]

If the spoiler is true than that would really suck, a door of muga broken by one hit? this is tennis perhaps Sanadas fuel of rvenege may be what drives him to loose rather than to win, but its clear that either tezuka or Fuji has to loose

[Sai_the_Shaman]

THe chinese scan has been out since last night....neither of the spoilers were true.

[TEK]

Do you have a link to the chinese scan so we can read it? Or if not, can you tell us what happened in the chapter.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

yeah sorry for not posting the link earlier http://bbs.ikunlun.net/?action=show_topic&topic_id=121125&forum_id=30&class_id=0

mbr over at FET posted a partial translation of it.

[TEK]

Thanks Sai. Dang, it looks like a hecka good chapter. I can't wait for the scan to come out. =)

[HikaruYami]

Woah... after reading mbr's trans of chinese, I especially want to get a full scanlation from the Japanese raw! It's so awesome....

But though it doesn't look like Sanada's getting any super-quick points, he is technically countering both Hyakuran and Saiki with 1 move each. This is directed to the people who were disappointed in the fake spoiler that said he would do this... but while they are countered, it's not like it makes Sanada automatically get any points. I still want us to be shown that Tezuka's playstyle is naturally superior....

Anyway, someone on FET said that they thought Shadow was like the highest form of the unreadable play style where you make one starting movement but finish with a different move. I'd have to disagree. I believe that Shadow, instead of tricking the opponent visually or any such thing, lets the person aim moves and generally move about the field in a way that would be considered obscure, as to confuse an expert tennis player who knew everyone's general playstyle. Basically, it's a move that works BEST on Saiki, and would do absolutely nothing against a newbie tennis player. At least with the lower level of unreadable play, some newbies could see the direction their opponent's racket was aimed and run that way, just to be tricked, but with this Unreadable like the Shadows, a newbie tennis player would always run exactly where the ball is actually going, as opposed to the area that it would be logical to hit it.

/end_rant

[Sai_the_Shaman]

I decided to share this with you all. It's a breakdown of all the concepts that Sanada uses in his techniques from the Art of War. I found it in this messageboard that Fayte sent to me. I also cleaned up the grammar in it (It was really bad before). It should give some insight into Sanada's 2 revealed techniques and maybe into the unseen Forest and mountain.



Swift, like the wind
To be swift as the wind movement has to be fast. This is common sense. In war or business, a little bit late than your competitors, your contract with the client may be lost. Wind is fast, it cannot be seen but yet we can feel it. The movement of the troops, of the actions that they carried out, of the plans that we made should be as fast as the wind.

Quiet, like the forest
When we are still, be like the forest. It is quiet and fresh. It is to be alert and ready. We do not make our presence known. Neither do we be lax and lazy. The storm often comes after the calm. Be silent, be patience.

Invade like fire
Fire burns and plunders. It leaves no room for escape. It burn until there is nothing more to burn. When burning a paper, it often surrounds the paper and burns it to the center.

Unpredictable, like the Shadows
When we are not making any move, we should be like the shadows, formless.
With no form, we are unable to show any intention, no plans are shown, no goals are shown and no motive are seen either. We are as deep as a shadow can be. Thus, everything will be unpredictable. With nothing to read on, the enemy is unable to come up with a counterattack.

Immovable, like the mountain
To be immovable means to concentrate. The enemy will often have a lot of creative ideas to distract you. But to find the silence within, to concentrate and think will require you to be as immovable as the mountain.

Strike, like Lightning
(Note: The term for “Lightning” is Lai/Rai which means both Lightning and Thunder)
When we execute our plan, striking like lightning means letting the enemy has no chance of countering the attack. Lightning is bright, loud, fast and devastating. It is so bright that it can blind the enemy. Thus, the enemy is unable to see what you are even doing. It is so loud that it can deafen the enemy. Thus, the enemy is unable to hear. If they cannot hear, they cannot communicate. Therefore, their communication will be destroyed. They cannot speak nor can they hear. It is so fast that it comes as a surprise to them. Thus, the enemy will be unprepared. It will be a surprise attack for them and they will be caught totally unprepared. It is so devastating that the enemies are stunned by it. Thus, the enemy will lose all will to fight. For if they do it will be useless.

[Bloodios]

It turned out even more wicked than I thought. OMG, it was so awesome. There are still as least three moves left that Sanada has yet reavealed (not to mention he might use different combinations of them to confuse Tezuka.) Tezuka is pretty much out of tricks to perform right now, but knowing how flexible his playstyle is, we can't conclude anything too soon. Still, I want to stick on the idea of Tezuka losing or having a draw (just for the rest of the matches to make more sense; well,...except for Echizen's match.) Anyway, we can see that Sanada obviously has the advantage at the time being. Let's see how will Tezuka pull himself out of this mess.

[bax]

The RAW is out!! Get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13828)

Go ahead and discuss the chapter here :amuse

[Bloodios]

It turned out even more wicked than I thought. OMG, it was so awesome. There are still as least three moves left that Sanada has yet reavealed (not to mention he might use different combinations of them to confuse Tezuka.) Tezuka is pretty much out of tricks to perform right now, but knowing how flexible his playstyle is, we can't conclude anything too soon. Still, I want to stick on the idea of Tezuka losing or having a draw (just for the rest of the matches to make more sense; well,...except for Echizen's match.) Anyway, we can see that Sanada obviously has the advantage at the time being. Let's see how will Tezuka pull himself out of this mess.

[Fayte]

This match could pull a Tezuka vs Chitose. We all thought Chitose would come back and clearly didn't.

[HikaruYami]

... but no one's made a clear advantage yet. You say we thought they'd come back, but comparing that to this, as far as I can see, Lightning and Shadow just even the playing field vs. Saiki and Hyakuren. And I believe fairly well that Fuu, Rin, Ka, and Zan are already even with Tezuka's base playing style, so I'm hoping for one really awesome well balanced match (unfortunately, though, I think Tezuka will just barely lose in the end so that Fuji doesn't have to lose twice in a row).

[Tenshi123]

That was the Rai move, right? And what happened with Tezuka's Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami? Did it not work or something? So confused...better just wait for the translation! ^^;;;

[TEK]

Dang, 2 new moves by Sanada...Awesome!!! I wonder how Tezuka is gonna come out of this situation. While I can't picture him losing the match, it only makes sense that he doesn't win for the sake of the other matches. I, like many others, am hoping for a draw. But dang, this chapter was amazing.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

I really think that Sanada will be the one to win this match. So far far both of Tezuka's strongest moves have been sealed and he really only has one more move that can win him any points. That move is the Zero-shiki serve. It's an absolute sure-to-ace serve. Afterall, its a serve that does not bounce and serves cannot be returned before landing. So I think that Tezuka will win all of his service games with that serve and it will lead to a Tie-break like always. In the Tie-Break Tezuka will be worn down from using the serve too much and give Sanada jsut enough room to beat him. That seems like the most likely outcome to me.

[TEK]

Dude, Sai, I think your prediction is exactly right. When I read that, it sounds like the most ideal way to make it a great match but having Tezuka still lose. It would make the match ridiculously close but make it realistic too since unless Tezuka can bust out the PoP, there's no way for him to win this match since his other 2 moves have been sealed.

[james4182003]

My opinion concerning this topic is that Tezuka, just like the "no kiwami's" maximizes the effects and uses of SoSA, he will find a way to unleash and amplify the power of the two forms of SoSA he already has and will be able to make a comeback against Sanada's inevitable lead. Sure, Sai's prediction about the Zero-Shiki serve is reasonable, but Yanagi probably already has information about this and will probably devise some kind of method for Sanada to break it. Dunno, these are just theories...

[Fayte]

I would love it if Sanada and Tezuka both go into PoP. That would be sick.

[taniquetil]

Can someone explained what happened with Pinnacle of Hard Work? I saw Sanada use Fire and Tezuka return it double, but then what happened? Why is Lightning/Thunder so hard to return? Also, did they only play one point in this chapter?

[Tenshi123]

I really think that Sanada will be the one to win this match. So far far both of Tezuka's strongest moves have been sealed and he really only has one more move that can win him any points. That move is the Zero-shiki serve. It's an absolute sure-to-ace serve. Afterall, its a serve that does not bounce and serves cannot be returned before landing. So I think that Tezuka will win all of his service games with that serve and it will lead to a Tie-break like always. In the Tie-Break Tezuka will be worn down from using the serve too much and give Sanada jsut enough room to beat him. That seems like the most likely outcome to me.

Yeah, but it's kinda like everything else that rolls without bouncing, it can be picked up before it does roll. I'm thinking Sanada isn't going to miss something like that. But yeah, I thinking and hoping that they'll be going into a tie-break that Tezuka loses/draws.


Can someone explained what happened with Pinnacle of Hard Work? I saw Sanada use Fire and Tezuka return it double, but then what happened? Why is Lightning/Thunder so hard to return? Also, did they only play one point in this chapter?

I'm guessing Rai is just too incredibly fast for even Tezuka's Hyakuren Jitoku no Kiwami to react to. And yeah, I think they did only play one point in this chapter.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

After Tezuka returned Fire, Sanada seemed to move extradinarily fast to return it with Lightning. the reason Tezuka could not return it was because it was too fast for him. Lightning is a shot that moves "with the speed of light" and when it bounces, it does so at a right angle so it bounces away from the opponent as well.

Yep they only played one point in this chapter and the start of the second point was when Tezuka couldnt use Saikikanpatsu.

@Tenshi:
You aren't allowed to return a serve before it bounces so Sanada wouldnt be able to return a zero-shiki serve at all.

[kangster113]

Tezuka would reach pinnacle of perfection, along with echizen!!! 2 players from seigaku pulling the MUGA 3rd door!!!!

[Bloodios]

I would love it if Sanada and Tezuka both go into PoP. That would be sick.

True! If that happens, than I could imagine the whole place got smashed up. Then the ball will fly around like a bullet rain. Even the whole Saiyan race can't stop that.

[VanFanel]

Well i keep thinking Tezuka will lose, but it surprised me so that Sanada showed all his cards just in the first point... makes me wonder if Tezuka will adapt to that, since they have the hole game yet to play. We have two options: The game goes straight, like 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, 4-0, in two or three pages, or we will see Tezuka hard working to beat Sanada, and I believe that the 2nd option would give the victory to Tezuka.

[herosol]

great chapter.

i love how everyone watching is like

"ZOMG SANADA DID GODLAIIII SH0000TZZZ"

and then Tezuka says:

"nice shot..."

lol. anyways. zero-shiki serve, watch it will be so gay that sanada can return it, like how atobe returned his own taunhausser serve, which was ridiculous.

[gigantor21]

^ I agree wholeheartedly--but only because the Atobe thing was so cacophonous in relation to the rest of the match. After all those increasingly ridiculous returns, Atobe could return the COOL Serve with a realistic move? Please. I'm glad they cut that out of the OVA.

I really hope Konomi doesn't try that with Tezuka's serve, too.

[Atobe the king]

^Never understood it either, i thought the Tannhauser was pretty much unreturnable, Tezuka has another ace in the whole, or i could be wrong and both have laid out their cards already, who knows

[FuuRinKaInZan]

It is not impossible to return. If you play tennis there are some times where you only get to return the ball by hitting by the frame of your racquet or near the top of the string pattern because of it bouncing very low,etc. It takes a lot of strength and technique to make it into a winner though. All Atobe had to do was hit it very hard with the frame or the top part of his string pattern. His raquet may be strung very hard in that area or he may have lead weights near the top of the racquet to increase the sweet spot size towards that area. Knowing that this is national junior high tennis, their racquet's may have been tweaked abit to their playing style.

[kangster113]

wait, when did he do his zeroshiki drop?

[gigantor21]

^ He hasn't done it, yet. But the way things are going now, it doesn't look like it'll help.

FuuRinKaInZan - Regardless of whether it can be returned, actual tennis play basically went out the window after the Higa match. That's the real problem. At that point, Konomi could basically throw in whatever he wanted (which he has), so slipping in realistic techniques during the matches is out of the question--especially when Muga is involved.

[Tenshi123]

@Tenshi:
You aren't allowed to return a serve before it bounces so Sanada wouldnt be able to return a zero-shiki serve at all.

Oh. >.> I should've known that. Hmm, then it'd be really hard to return it, like nearly impossible. I think Atobe's Tannhauser serve would be easier to return becase it rolls toward you, and it is possible to pick up a rolling ball, like we saw with Tachibana and Fuji.
Sanada would have to like dive forward and pick the Zero-Shiki up with his racket before it hit the net, but it'd leave him in an awkward position and it would probably be a chance ball for Tezuka.

[whatsntomake]

^ He hasn't done it, yet. But the way things are going now, it doesn't look like it'll help.

FuuRinKaInZan - Regardless of whether it can be returned, actual tennis play basically went out the window after the Higa match. That's the real problem. At that point, Konomi could basically throw in whatever he wanted (which he has), so slipping in realistic techniques during the matches is out of the question--especially when Muga is involved.

Yea seriously i've been thinking that 2 ;)
Sanada is kinda like the new Atobe and Fuji - unable to use the mind states which enhance gameplay but they've got other techniques that are equivalent aka ice world, quadruple counters lalala

Oh and Cool drive and the other moves aren't going to happen? You know? Plot no Jutsu! thats why... you know that part in the Echizen vs the Monkey Kid (forgot his name) there was a part where Echizen could've used a Cool Drive (when they were both jumping) but he didn't.

Or I'm sure Sanada has a technique to counter the zero shiki serve or any non existent serve that is possible in POT

[Atobe the king]

which would suck

[Hyde]

Plot rules everything.
Echizen would beat Sanada anyway, so he doesn't have a technique against everything :D

[Grandsummoner]

Plot rules everything.
Echizen would beat Sanada anyway, so he doesn't have a technique against everything :D

This made me think: Why didn't Sanada pull out the other two moves earlier against Echizen? Could it have been that he was saving it for Tezuka? But then that doesn't make much sense, as he holds a lot of pride for Rikkai as well as Yukimura (who was in the hospital at the time). He doesn't seem like the type to lose on purpose. And those techniques were created before Yukimura went into the hospital as he's the one who mentions it. So what gives?

[Sai_the_Shaman]

It seems like Sanada, during his match agaisnt Echizen, did not think that he would need to use everything against him. whereas, Echizen started the match going all-out, Sanada held back quite a bit. Sanada mainly lost because he underestmated Echizen and thought he wasn't worth going all out against, I think.

[Atobe the king]

no just a simple plot whole, i believe sanada said he sealed off those moves for tezuka much like tezuka sealed of the pinnacle of wisdom/hardwork. Tezuka's excuse was his arm sanada has no excuse these moves were just created to balance out the "national level players)
Tezuka has the 2 doors of muga
Atobe has Tannhauser serve and world of ice
Tachibana has wild aura

so now sanada has to have something or he would have remained the weakest

[Hyde]

Agreed with Atobe. As said above, plots > *. If someone needs a great move right now to make a good game, so be it, who cares about what happened before?

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Well it way be a plot hole, but it's been discussed for a while now that these two moves were probably in existence because of Sanada basing his moves on the concepts from the Art of War. I just wish that the moves weren't sealed moves and that he specifically taught them to himself in preparation for the Nationals or maybe even jsut to beat Tezuka

[gigantor21]

^ That would've made much more sense any way you look at it. All Konomi's route did was make Sanada's loss to Echizen that much more stupid, and his exalted status in the series even more tenuous. Neither of which he needs right now.

[Atobe the king]

Agreed, like i said tezuka's excuse for sealing his doors was due to his arm, but this makes it appear that sanada looks down on people even more

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Here's this weeks spoiler (sent to me by kobashi at FET and translated by me of course lol)

簡易バレ
Simple and Bare

真田が手塚を圧倒
Sanada overwhelms Tezuka

ゲーム０－３
Game 0-3 (in Sanada's favor)

場面変わってヘリの中（内容無し）
Scene changes to inside the Helicopter (nothing important happens)

また場面変わって真田絶好調
Another scen change to Sanada in perfect form

と、大ゴマで手塚がオーラを消す。
and then a large panel of Tesuka turning off his aura (Muga's aura)

ギャラリーがどよめく。
The audience is shocked

不二が無表情で「････」
Fuji is expressionless and can only say "..."

相手の部長（名前失念）も無表情で「････」
The opponent's captain (can't rememeber name) is also expressionless and only says "..." (the spoiler writer is probably refering to Yukimura)

真田「まさか････たどり着いたと言うのか････？」
Sanada: "It can't be....Are you saying it's arrived to this....?"

最後にまた大ゴマで手塚（オーラ無しで風が吹いてるような演出･･に見える）
Finally a large panel of Tezuka (he has no more aura and it seems the wind is blowing"

以上
that's all

[Sai_the_Shaman]

well if any of you want to read it, I jsut posted the spoiler over at the Spoiler thread.

[gigantor21]

^ Ahn~? Sounds like the Pinnacle of Perfection. But if that's the case, then what's Ryoma going to do?

I'll just have to hold off any judgements until the raw comes out, because I'm not very attuned to judging the validity of PoT spoilers.

[Atobe the king]

Pinnicle of Perfection? how shall echizen top that? or better yet, will he still lose to sanada?


Moved - spoiler discussion should be done here.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

I don't think it would be ten'imuhou simply because theres been too much allusion to Echizen learning it. Also, Tezuka turns off Muga. It seems like he's going to use a new move soon.

[HikaruYami]

Thanks for the new spoiler, Sai! Hopefully the chapter will come out soon, I think the expression on Yukimura's face will be really cool. (just thinking about him with a "..." expression)

[Gold Knight]

RAW is out here. (http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=434270#post434270)

Hope you guys enjoy and have fun talking about it here.

[FuuRinKaInZan]

Sanada is kicking Tezuka's ass royally in this chapter. 4-0 and Tezuka zone and his racquet fully broken. A new racquet for Tezuka may mean a new special move. He may only use a certain racquet for these very tough matches.

[Requiem]

i can't wait to see the next chapter for Tezuka's come back

[Atobe the king]

Sanada's cockiness and obvious advantages are leading to defeat at the hands of tezuka...

[Astray]

Ya Kishi seems to like the top dog becomes underdog and then top dog again all within a match type of scenario. Of course there have been occasions when the top dog still loses even after making a come back.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

I still Tezuka is going to lose, though with a slight come back of course. I'm kinda dissappointed Konomi hasn't used zero-shiki serve at all since thats pretty mucha guaranteed point for Tezuka. But now even with Tezuka using it he can't come back with jsut that serve.

I have now idea what Tezuka is going to do to come back. if Hyakuren can't return Rai and In makes Saiki useless. Also Rai pretty much dominates all of Tezuka's other technigues. I can't really imagine what Tezuka would do to get out of this where all his moves are sealed off. On top of that, even Yukimura believes that Sanada is second only to himself.

Really is a conundrum isnt it. I can't really imagine any of Tezuka's moves being upgraded liek Fuji's were and there seems to be no real other mover that he can do. Unless of course Tezuka can copy In and Rai with Muga. Which would be kind of lame. Plus I think that both In and Rai are like Tezuka Zone and uncopyable. Anyhow I really dont know how Tezuka will come out of this. He very well may simply jsut be defeated horribly.

[Atobe the king]

I doubt that, and kabaji has copied tezuka zone

[bax]

True, Kabaji copied it, but like every shounen series would say "there's nothing like the original" :p

I still go with my early prediction that Sanada will win. Yes, I agree with Sai that there will be a comeback. If not, there is no point of making a cliffhanger. Would be better off with like Tezuka vs Chitose match. Just end it in a blink of an eye.

THere will be a comeback of course. Although I will say that Tezuka will push Sanada a bit, before Sanada seals the win.

So far, everything Tezuka has was all rendered useless. Rai makes Sanada can literally receive any balls in any angles, while In seals off his weakness, so Tezuka can't read him. The only way is (as much as we know) the Zero-shiki serve. But then again, it's already too late, if we count serve turns and the point of the match.

[VanFanel]

Ha, I knew it would turn out to be like 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, 4-0, in one chapter, as commented at previous topic.. I also still think Tezuka will lose, so Fuji and Golden Pair will feel the real need to win their games. But it shouldn't be like this.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

I doubt that, and kabaji has copied tezuka zone

Kabaji's copying ability is different from the usual Muga users. He doesn't even have Muga to begin with and it seems that he can only copy the moves of the opponent he is playing in that match at that time. Also it seems like, unlike Muga he can copy any move including the doors of Muga, but like I said before he will only be able to use them in the match that he copies them and not afterwards.

Now with Tezuka Zone, Sanada once said that it was the only move he has never been able to copy. It makes me believe that moves on the level of Tezuka zone are uncopyable (Ryoma never copied Tezuka Zone in the Atobe match, he jsut learned it from years of playing his dad) and with Rai and In seemingly on a greater level than Tezuka zone, I do not beleive they are copyable.

[Tenshi123]

Tezuka's definitely going to make a comeback, but I don't think there's any way he's gonna win. Tie? Perhaps, itty-bitty-little chance. Thing is, he actually looked shocked in that last page, which isn't something Tezuka's known to show.

[murani-san]

The whole Sanada having sealed moves that exceed and dominate 2 doors opening for Tezuka just isn't plausible. Then to have Yukimura brashly talk about how Sanada is second only to himself just makes me want to see Echizen open up all 3 doors simultaneously and wipe that smug look off his face.

Did anyone else notice that with the match at 4-0 in favor of Sanada, Fuji had a smile on his face? That made me believe Tezuka is about to unveil something too. Lets hope so or like someone else said..they should have just did it like the Tezuka/Chitose match and got it over with.

[whatsntomake]

I wonder if World of Ice would work on Sanada's shadow form, but then again i'm a bit confused as to how Ice works. True it allows you to see the other person's blindspot but then again doesn't SOSA make your gameplay random ... therefore your blindspots are actually random. But then again the intelligence gate isn't exactly like insight although its uses the same base.

[Tenshi123]

The whole Sanada having sealed moves that exceed and dominate 2 doors opening for Tezuka just isn't plausible. Then to have Yukimura brashly talk about how Sanada is second only to himself just makes me want to see Echizen open up all 3 doors simultaneously and wipe that smug look off his face.

Did anyone else notice that with the match at 4-0 in favor of Sanada, Fuji had a smile on his face? That made me believe Tezuka is about to unveil something too. Lets hope so or like someone else said..they should have just did it like the Tezuka/Chitose match and got it over with.

What do you mean Fuji had a smile on his face? What page is that on?

[Grandsummoner]

What do you mean Fuji had a smile on his face? What page is that on?

I believe they meant page 7. I noticed it too. It was a different angle on Fuji than we're used to. It's almost like Konomi-sensei's playing with what readers usually pick up as clues to the matches (aka Fuji's smile) and how we interpret them. It's funny. He's not smiling and yet he kind of is?

[excelsior]

I wonder if World of Ice would work on Sanada's shadow form, but then again i'm a bit confused as to how Ice works. True it allows you to see the other person's blindspot but then again doesn't SOSA make your gameplay random ... therefore your blindspots are actually random. But then again the intelligence gate isn't exactly like insight although its uses the same base.

I'm not sure I'd characterize SOSA as making your gameplay -random-, per se. If you are not in control of it, sure, the techniques you access from your unconscious mind come out "randomly" in response to your situation, but your play itself still has to be logical and solid. If it were totally random, well, it would just suck. And World of Ice lets Atobe see whatever blind spots exist in the person's stance at any given time. I'm not sure that Shadow would defeat the World of Ice. Saiki is about predicting future movements. But Atobe's insight just tells him exactly what is going on right at that moment, which you can't really hide by projecting a "confusing aura" or whatever.

As for how this match is going to end...

Obviously, Tezuka's trump card is the fact that he's been right-handed this entire time. The whole incident with his left elbow being maimed? An elaborate ruse to conceal his TRUE FORM. He's going to switch to his right hand and totally dominate Sanada.

Later, Ryoma will reveal the same trick. Every time Ryoma "handicapped" himself by playing with his right hand at the beginning of the match, he had previously injected it with a numbing agent to hold back his awesome skills. Then he would switch to his unaffected left hand if necessary.

When Yukimura feels the pressure, he'll reveal that he is actually a woman. However, Nanjiroh is actually a Saiyan, which allows Ryoma to digivolve at the last second, master the Hand of God and pass the Hunter exam, thereby emerging victorious in not only his own manga but several others simultaneously.

[excelsior]

I am... confused. Are these supposed to be legitimate spoilers? Because they seem wildly inaccurate.

[gigantor21]

^ That's usually how it is with spoilers, I'm afraid. Unless there's some verified insider doing it, like Himajin does for Bleach, then the chances of getting several fakes is very high. It's the same for most series.

[excelsior]

That's what I thought. It seems only natural that someone would want to just make it all up and have a hearty laugh at our expense.

[Tenshi123]

I believe they meant page 7. I noticed it too. It was a different angle on Fuji than we're used to. It's almost like Konomi-sensei's playing with what readers usually pick up as clues to the matches (aka Fuji's smile) and how we interpret them. It's funny. He's not smiling and yet he kind of is?

Half, kinda. Like in that match with Shiraishi, he kinda had this creepyish smile on page... (page 13 of chapter 319 on OneManga) and then when he saw Echizen's possible PoP (page 10 of chapter 340)...

[murani-san]

Half, kinda. Like in that match with Shiraishi, he kinda had this creepyish smile on page... (page 13 of chapter 319 on OneManga) and then when he saw Echizen's possible PoP (page 10 of chapter 340)...

I actually am curious to see if they show exactly what it was that allowed Ryoma to return kintarou's shot. That was once awesome rally. Knowing Echizen he is probably somewhere perfecting whatever it was.

[HikaruYami]

...

...

...
there was one spoiler that's CLEARLY a joke in this thread "Tezuka: Krillin! We need you to save us from Kira!" but chapters Sai posted spoilers for have already come and gone, and were accurate. But if you're looking for this week's spoiler, there obviously isn't one yet. Check the dates, and the spoiler for the week that spoiler was posted by Sai is right.

[excelsior]

Are you high?

Just look at the last couple of spoilers for the Sanada/Tezuka match. Quiet Like the Forest? Sanada never used that. "True Wind"? What? A helicopter scene after the match was 3-0? Never happened. And those are only a few of the errors. Actually, I think that nothing predicted by those spoilers actually occurred, except for the fact that Sanada dominated Tezuka. There was no mention of Lightning or Shadow, either.

Not that this says anything against Sai. I'm just saying that there's no way that those spoilers could be considered accurate even in a broad sense. I don't know about spoilers for more than a couple weeks ago (i.e. not in this thread), however. Maybe those were correct.

[ss2miraitrunks]

Err..
So im guessing fuji will face kirihara akaya again?
I dont really want to see that match ..

It's sad how fuji lost to sarashi, when he was really sooo close

[Atobe the king]

I want to see fujis rematch, suped up fuji versus Super Devil Mode, i am really convinced that Liladen Krauser is dead....

[HikaruYami]

odd, I just responded to that about 9 hours ago. My quick reply was deleted for some reason...

Anyway, no, I wasn't high, nor am I ever. But I didn't bother checking the past page before I posted that. I remember that Sai always posted the last, correct spoilers that, if you can manage to look at the timestamp, clearly show that they discount the other spoilers.

... but though I remember looking at them, it's also possible that he only actually posted true spoilers in the previous chapter discussion threads? (like, the 347 spoiler in the 346 discussion thread, or perhaps some such thing) But at some point, he has, in the past few weeks, posted the correct spoilers. Somewhere. I'm definitely not going to bother checking. There is a very small possibility that I'm completely wrong, too. But I remember some kind of accurate spoiler from Chinese raws that Sai posted 2 weeks in a row. (that someone other than him translated)

... btw, how can you post something as cruel as "are you high?" so nonchalantly? Is it that common for you teenagers to be high nowadays? (I'm a teenager too, but as far as I know, none of my friends are ever high either. There's only one person I've ever had a class with who seemed high, and that was painfully obvious)

Edit: ... but the most recent spoiler (the one that was released for last week's chapter) is definitely wrong, I guess. I don't remember reading that one very thoroughly, despite the fact that I responded to it. I'm too used to reading Sai's full translation after the raw is released, maybe?

Second Edit: You know that a total of one and a half pages of posts in this thread have been deleted by now, right? After reading what's still here, I can at least remember that the hilarious 4-world fake spoiler by Fayte was on the second page at first (and this topic was halfway through the third page just a couple weeks ago). Therefore, after reading what's LEFT in this topic, I absolutely cannot determine which of us is correct.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

All the spoilers I translate are taken from 2chan. I personally dont really surf 2chan and I tend to get the spoilers from kobashi at FET and not look them up myself. I did post a true spoiler a couple weeks ago but it looks liek it was cleared out. The problem with 2chan spoilers are that most of them are fake. Hell, jsut look at half of the Naruto and Bleach spoilers from week to week lol. True spoilers do get posted as raw day comes closer though.

EDIT:
Well I actually went myself to 2ch today (got bored) and foudn a couple spoilers....not sure if theyre true or not, but here they are:

バレ
Bare

ラケットを交換するためベンチに戻る手塚
Tezuka returns the bench to get a new racket

心配そうに見つめる部員達
He looks at the other team members with a look of worry

そこに大和部長が登場
That is when Yamato-buchou enters

大和部長によると手塚は主将という立場であることから
According to Yamato-buchou, Because Tezuka is the captain of the team,

しらずしらずの内に受身のテニスになってしまい本来の力を出せていないらしい
unconsciously, he plays a passive tennis style and does not seem to bring out his true power

大和部長の「みんなあなたの仲間です」という言葉とともに見開きで部員達のアップ
An up shot of Yamato-buchou and the rest of the team as he tells Tezuka that “Everyone is your comrade” (Nakama)

それを見て微笑む手塚
From that, Tezuka smiles

試合が再開され、真田の雷を手塚が返す。
The match begins again and Tezuka returns Rai

驚く真田と手塚のアップで以下次号
An upshot of a surprised Sanada with Tezuka end the chapter


テニヌ
Teninu (they means Tennis)

手塚「手塚ゾーンリバース」発動
Tezuka “Tezuka Zone Reverse” Activate

真田の打球全てアウト、ネットになる
All of Sanada’s shots go out or hit the net

回転数が不二のヘカトンケイルの３倍以上らしい
It seems the spin from it is 3x more powerful than Fuji’s Hecatoncheires
真田は「林」でなんとか返すが
Sanada somehow uses “Rin” to return it, but…

手塚すかさず「零式ドロップ」を繰り出す
Tezuka without delay returns with “Zero-shiki Drop”

真田は一瞬でネット際に現れ、「雷」発動
Sanada suddenly appears at the net and activates “rai”

だが真田の打球は見当たらない
However, Sanada’s shot cannot be found anywhere

球は真田のラケットで回転したままだった
the shot is actually still spinning on Sanada’s racket

という妄想してみた
It was a wild thing that happened

[Sai_the_Shaman]

(slightly OT) I posted a couple of this weeks spoilers if anyone is interested lol....

[excelsior]

Holy crap. If that second spoiler were to come true, it would be ridiculously awesome! Reverse Tezuka Zone!

[Nami]

odd, I just responded to that about 9 hours ago. My quick reply was deleted for some reason...

Second Edit: You know that a total of one and a half pages of posts in this thread have been deleted by now, right? After reading what's still here, I can at least remember that the hilarious 4-world fake spoiler by Fayte was on the second page at first (and this topic was halfway through the third page just a couple weeks ago). Therefore, after reading what's LEFT in this topic, I absolutely cannot determine which of us is correct.

Hi HikaruYami,
Your post was removed for a reason, please see PM on this.
Just to clarify, this spoilers thread came up around 2 months ago, and so far, no other posts have been removed from here :)

[Atobe the king]

thanks, i was wondering why PoT gets no love here

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Hmmm from what I can gather on 2ch right now (by reading a few posts here and there because no way in hell am I going through all of them) A lot of people are agreeing and discussing about Tezuka using the whole Tezuka Zone reverse thing, though the name of it has not really been confirmed yet.

[HikaruYami]

Nyan... meh. You can say something like "We deleted it because it was considered bashing" in front of other people, ya know.

Anyway, I really hope that the Tezuka Zone Reverse thing is true, but that Sanada makes a better counter for it. Though in reality, Tezuka Zone Reverse sounds like a fanfic that someone made up by the end of the second match they ever saw Tezuka use Tezuka Zone. After all, Nanjiroh never had a reverse zone, right? And he's theoretically the perfect tennis player, right? Besides, wasn't the last spoiler that had Teninu instead of Tenisu a fake, too? It sounds like the same person who still can't spell it. Likewise, it seems like a Yamato otaku made the first one. *crosses fingers for the second one*

uhm, and Sai just confirmed that one true spoiler he posted has been deleted. Are you sure no others have been? Because I'm pretty sure that we should be through the third page by now. There were especially more responses that I remember to Fayte's fake spoiler. Past chapter spoilers definitely seem to have been removed, but... whatever.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

well, lots of the spoilers tend to start with some odd spelling of Tennis is some sort. It's just something the guys at 2ch like to do for some reason. From what I've seen, most spoilers start wiht some spelling close to Tennis or jsut the phrase "bare".

[excelsior]

About the teninu thing... As I am sure Sai knows very well, the katakana for "nu" and "su" are very similar. Maybe it started with someone who had very poor handwriting and then evolved into a running gag. Who knows?

[HikaruYami]

That's possible. But it seems more like they have a poor reading ability and therefore read it as Teninu instead and started writing it like that. But either way, 2ch is wierd.

[bax]

The RAW is out guys :amuse Get your fix HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14395)!!!

Go ahead and discuss the chapter here. Say your thoughts. Looks like it is getting interesting :D

[ALKHHKLA]

I have no idea what happened, but the last page with what seems like the new and improved Tezuka zone is fully amazing.

[Atobe the king]

i was thinking PoP

[Paik4Life]

I believe what the new Tezuka Zone does is the EXACT opposite of the original Tezuka Zone. Instead of controlling the spin to pull the opponent's ball toward himself, he is reversing the spin to make all shots go out. This makes it a lot more powerful than the original Tezuka Zone since he doesn't even need to hit a winner.

My prediction for this match is that Tezuka will use this to catch up and during one of the final moments when Sanada overcomes the new Tezuka Zone, Tezuka will have switched between the two types making it impossible for Sanada to know what type of spin he should put on the ball.

~Paik

[Moxio]

I believe what the new Tezuka Zone does is the EXACT opposite of the original Tezuka Zone. Instead of controlling the spin to pull the opponent's ball toward himself, he is reversing the spin to make all shots go out. This makes it a lot more powerful than the original Tezuka Zone since he doesn't even need to hit a winner.

My prediction for this match is that Tezuka will use this to catch up and during one of the final moments when Sanada overcomes the new Tezuka Zone, Tezuka will have switched between the two types making it impossible for Sanada to know what type of spin he should put on the ball.

~Paik

Hmmm I believe you are right ...

[Fuji]

Tezuka Reborn!!! I really want to read the translation now so that I can read what Tezuka and Ryoma were talking about.

Yes, if Tezuka wins this match then that means my prediction will be one step closer to coming true!!

[murani-san]

I'm also looking forward to the translation. I can't wait to see what Ryoma and Tezuka was talking about. I want to see Tezuka unleash something so fierce that Yukimura is shocked and questions whether or not he could beat Tezuka himself.

[Amphibious]

The conversation between Tezuka and Ryoma is about why pushing things outside the court is "impossible" but pulling the ball toward the player is "possible". In the first pic, the highlighted part is how much ground you need to cover to push the ball out. The second pic demonstrates the same idea, but pulling ball towards you...

As for Yukimura...all he said was "That man..."

[ALKHHKLA]

WOW!!! Tezuka is fully awesome, but will he be able to keep this new Tezuka zone up for long. It is hinted that it causes a lot of strain on his already fragile arm.

[murani-san]

If Tezuka loses at least he's going out displaying his true level of strength. Tezuka has become cooler and cooler as a character as the manga has went on. It is so fitting that what Tezuka would unleash is an upgraded version of the Tezuka zone since he has displayed that since the beginning of the manga it was natural someone strong would counter it and true to Tezuka's nature he has already considered the possibility and how to deal with it.

I think Tezuka will still lose in the end because of the mentioned strain on the arm but he'll inspire his teammates to rise to the challenge for the honorable pillar of Seigaku.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Hmm....Well I still think Tezuka is going to lose in the end simply because we somehow need to get to Singles 1 without having Golden Pair or Fuji (then again you never know). Now I wonder, has Tezuka Zone even been shown to pull in a drop shot at the net? If not, then I think the Reversed zone can be defeated with some sort of special drop shot or a cord ball. for instance something like Marui's tightrope walking should be able to do the trick and it would require Tezuka to move once it is used.

Also, even though they aren't "ultimate" moves we have still yet to see Rin and Zan from Sanada. I have no idea what Zan might be, but from it's saying "immovable like a mountain" it almost sounds like Sanada has his own zone. and Rin is "Quiet like a forest", which sounds like it can be a shot that sneaks up on you (maybe a low power shot, cord ball or a drop). I really wonder what's going to happen next....

[murani-san]

Well unless Sanada has been hiding a 3rd ultimate technique from Yukimura I think we've seen the extent of Sanada's power. I can't wait until Ryoma gets back and finds out about what Tezuka did.

[FuuRinKaInZan]

Hello guys I was wondering if anyone heard any news on the new ova series that came out yesterday.

[Siru]

I've been waiting since yesterday too. Damn, I really do hope the raw comes out soon.

[Tenshi123]

Yeah, I'm wondering what Rin and Zan are also...wonder if we're ever gonna see them? I'm thinking Konomi might do the same thing as in the match with Atobe where Tezuka's arm gives out, but at the same time, I don't think he will because it'd be a repeat and kind of a pathetic ending...

[Atobe the king]

i really hope Konomi doesnt redo the Atobe thing, i was thinking tezuka my destroy his arm comepletely but then he wouldn't get to have a decisisve match with Echizen, whom i think will destroy his arm

[Fayte]

My theory is that Sanada creates a "Lightning Serve" that is impossible to return.

[Requiem]

My theory is that Sanada creates a "Lightning Serve" that is impossible to return.

I would prefer that Sanada shows to us Rin and Zan
As we have seen against Atobe, Zan is a defensive move, a it can't be a serve.
I'm hoping that Rin is Sanada's secret serve, and that can be used like Chitose's Kamikakushi, either as a serve and as a shot

[Fayte]

Forest and Mountain are not serves.

I am feeling rather strong about the idea of Sanada doing a serve that when it hits the ground, it bounces in a random 90 degree angle direction. The chances of Sanada doing it are about 75%

[alia]

well i think yes zan is a defensive move and rin is just a mighty fast cord ball, lol not so sure though. As for the result of this match, i wanted tezuka to win, and if his arm wasnt mentioned at all in this chap i still would have thought 100% that he was going to win, but now i cant tell if his arm is going to break or whatever. anyways the reverse tezuka zone is amazing, even fayte cant deny that

[Fayte]

I'm positive that Sanada is going to beat Tezuka. Reverse T-zone is merely another obstacle for Sanada to overcome.

[Atobe the king]

And what if he doesn't >_>, this match could go either way

[kokusaikone]

If Tezuka doesn't lose, things would not be as interesting. Shades of the Shiraishi vs Fuji match.

[Fayte]

I have a theory to how this series ends, and it needs to have Tezuka lose badly.

[TEK]

Tezuka is gonna lose but not because of Sanada. As in, this new form of Tezuka zone puts a lot of pressure on Tezuka's arms. Even Ryuzaki-sensei shouted in fear for Tezuka's arms. I think Tezuka will make a valiant comeback but only to fall short due to the burden placed on his arm. This will result in his loss but will also show that he's the more skilled player than Sanada.

[Tenshi123]

Tezuka is gonna lose but not because of Sanada. As in, this new form of Tezuka zone puts a lot of pressure on Tezuka's arms. Even Ryuzaki-sensei shouted in fear for Tezuka's arms. I think Tezuka will make a valiant comeback but only to fall short due to the burden placed on his arm. This will result in his loss but will also show that he's the more skilled player than Sanada.

But like I said before, that'd be like a repeat of the Atobe match which I don't think would be good. It'd just be like, after such a great match, and the same ending? Bleah...

[Fayte]

Tezuka is gonna lose but not because of Sanada. As in, this new form of Tezuka zone puts a lot of pressure on Tezuka's arms. Even Ryuzaki-sensei shouted in fear for Tezuka's arms. I think Tezuka will make a valiant comeback but only to fall short due to the burden placed on his arm. This will result in his loss but will also show that he's the more skilled player than Sanada.

If Tezuka was better than Sanada, he wouldn't need to damage his arm in order to win. If Tezuka still loses, it would be ignorance to say Sanada is not the better player.

[Atobe the king]

Wow so biased, i sanada loses what would you do? im curious, your'e so biased, the match can go either way

based on general manga rules, sanasa's smug face and the hype from his team has set him up for a loss

based on your logic, atobes the better player too

I really hope tezuka wins now

[Fayte]

Wow so biased, i sanada loses what would you do? im curious, your'e so biased, the match can go either way

based on general manga rules, sanasa's smug face and the hype from his team has set him up for a loss

based on your logic, atobes the better player too

I really hope tezuka wins now

I am biased because you do not understand the situation? Tezuka is better than Atobe, because he entered the match injured, and almost won in a tiebreak. Atobe winning is just saying he beat a handicap.

That CAN NOT be said in this match against Sanada. I AM NOT being biased with Sanada, TEK is being biased with Tezuka. Tezuka has entered this match at full strength. He used both doors on Sanada and he still failed. As a last resort, he used reverse tezuka zone that has a chance of damaging his already healed arm again. If Tezuka loses, it just shows that Sanada is the better player.

If you do not agree with me, I will no longer agrue with somebody who doesn't understand the series, therefore making conversation meaningless.

[TEK]

I am biased because you do not understand the situation? Tezuka is better than Atobe, because he entered the match injured, and almost won in a tiebreak. Atobe winning is just saying he beat a handicap.

That CAN NOT be said in this match against Sanada. I AM NOT being biased with Sanada, TEK is being biased with Tezuka. Tezuka has entered this match at full strength. He used both doors on Sanada and he still failed. As a last resort, he used reverse tezuka zone that has a chance of damaging his already healed arm again. If Tezuka loses, it just shows that Sanada is the better player.

If you do not agree with me, I will no longer agrue with somebody who doesn't understand the series, therefore making conversation meaningless.

I will admit that I am slightly biased with Tezuka as I'm a huge Seigaku fan and thus a fan of most of its players (although I do really like Sengoku and Atobe). As such, I do want Tezuka to win or at least remain the better player in my eyes. However, I do feel like Tezuka has to lose this one. I personally feel that if Sanada wins due to the damage on Tezuka's arms on the Reverse Tezuka Zone and not because he overcame it, it shows that Tezuka is the better player but just not strong enough to finish things off. But that's just my personal opinion. Others may feel that Sanada is still better and they're entitled to their opinions as well.

I think that this match will be a repeat of a match no matter what. It could go one route where it will be like a repeat of the match that Fuji had with Shiraishi, where Fuji was down huge but thanks to his final counter which would not allow the ball to go over the net, he was able to make a comeback. Shiraishi was able to overcome it and thus win. Similarly, I think that Sanada will slowly but surely have the ball come closer and closer to the line until the point where he finally beats it and thus wins the match. If Sanada can defeat the Reverse Tezuka Zone and win the match, then Sanada would clearly be the better player.

The other route would be the Tezuka vs Atobe match route where Tezuka loses due to his own injury. So unless Sanada happens to defeat the Reverse Tezuka Zone and win this match hecka quickly, I can only picture this match become a repeat of a previous one.

[Atobe the king]

I am biased because you do not understand the situation? Tezuka is better than Atobe, because he entered the match injured, and almost won in a tiebreak. Atobe winning is just saying he beat a handicap.

That CAN NOT be said in this match against Sanada. I AM NOT being biased with Sanada, TEK is being biased with Tezuka. Tezuka has entered this match at full strength. He used both doors on Sanada and he still failed. As a last resort, he used reverse tezuka zone that has a chance of damaging his already healed arm again. If Tezuka loses, it just shows that Sanada is the better player.

If you do not agree with me, I will no longer agrue with somebody who doesn't understand the series, therefore making conversation meaningless.

I apologize, i called you biased and here i am being biased, but i wouldnt consider tezuka zone reverse a last resort exactly, sanadas in and rai are last resorts as well, i guess we'll see with this chapter what direction the match will go in.

I dont think sanadas the superior player, and neither is tezuka, i think there both even and i predict a twist with sanadas fuurinkainrai (did i say that right:s ) im going to predict it may strain him as well...

As for the outcome, im praying to god for a tie, i like both and couldn't stand if one lost in there possibly last match in the series.

By the way Fayte whats your prediction on how the series will end

[yoru sama]

LOL

If you do not agree with me you do not understand the series.

Arrogant much, Fayte? And were did the Inui-like 75% come from?

Kidding (sort of), do not mind me Fayte, I just like to lighten a conversation.


Hey guys, let us look at some real tennis for a while (I know, I know, POT has nothing to do with real tennis).

One victory does NOT a better player make. Also people match up differently against each other. Like take Atobe`s Ice world. Useless against Tezuka zone but how would someone like Sanada counter it? (by the way it targets physical blind spots so In means nothing). Unless Sanada has Byakugan. But even that has a blind spot.

Also what is with the moves?!?!? Since Rai seems to be a two handed shot a competent player like Tezuka should at least be able to take advantage of range issues to prevent Sanada from hitting all the time. But no, Rai also includes the magic ability to teleport. LOL.

Also what is this ridiculousness about a ball bouncing at a right angle and being so powerful? A cut on a ball would make it slow and weak, tricky sure, but if used the way Sanada used Rai(over and over again) it would be childs play to hit a winner off it.
That is why there is no way Fuji`s disappearing serve would win four points in a row. Maybe Jirou was just brain dead?

It is okay. I still love you Fuji and Jirou (Jirou more because I am a serve and volleyer too. We netties have to stick together!! Woot woot, love love)

Can you tell I should have gone to bed already and not had that last drink?

And what about Rai bouncing at a right angle and THEN being drawn into Tezuka zone. Lol ridiculous. Rai`s cut is because of spin, Tezuka Zone is because of spin, there cannot be two opposing spins on a ball.


And why on earth is there sudden danger level amount of strain on Tezuka`s arm for the reverse zone? I smell a deus ex machina. (literary term: in this case, way for him to lose just to further the story)

Anyway enough reality, Sanda could learn to fly and Id still read this excelent series. (I hereby predict flight from some party in the next chapter)

Anywho this is going to be a fun match to read. It is thursday night and I am already waiting outside my Daily Yamazaki for the next Jump. (or just loitering and eating the inari they would have thrown out)

Question for you guys who really know the series? What is up with Atobe having a helecoptor (I know that the anime establishes him as rich but that is a completely different canon), did the manga ever mention Atobe as rich? Smells like another deus ex machina just to get Ryoma (who is currently living out another literary term that I cannot remember: a random senseless conflict when the author could not think of one to further the story).

Also how did Rikkai get so lucky with the match ups against Nagoya? They lost the first two on purpose to push Mr. Devil right? But if they could have won, how did they know Akahira would play an opponent that would push him as hard as that Krauser did? Akahira just mangaged to play the one great player on the team? What if he had just crushed Krauser outright? Then the whole thing would have been a waste of time. Correct me if I missed something?

By the way, if you take any of my post seriously then you need to stop obsessing over a comic and go out and read more comics and laugh with your friends. Life should not be spent squabling over manga!

Anywho I still typing because I need the practise typing in English.....okay I am done now.

[Atobe the king]

Im surprised i was hoping this would be out..naruto RAW is released within hours of its japanese airing, why doesnt PoT get that much love:mad

[stuv12345]

i cant get this chapter the link doesnt work. can sum1 help me

[uchihaj]

note to yuro sama: don't try this stuff at home... Also if you go to Japan, they won't actually live there... J/K ;^)

Now the whole Sanada, Tezuka, Atobe thing... Tezuka is the most well respected character in this series in my opinion, and I think that is his play is effected by that. While on the other hand you have Sanada, his play is where his respect dwells. Atobe's match with Echizen allowed me to fully understand he has the best of both worlds. We can't really argue, we can only help another view things from the perspective at which we are looking at it. These three are huge names here and in my opinion the biggest names in the series to this day! The losses and wins between the three of them is in no way bad at any point of view, only exiting the whole way around.

[whatsntomake]

I am biased because you do not understand the situation? Tezuka is better than Atobe, because he entered the match injured, and almost won in a tiebreak. Atobe winning is just saying he beat a handicap.

That CAN NOT be said in this match against Sanada. I AM NOT being biased with Sanada, TEK is being biased with Tezuka. Tezuka has entered this match at full strength. He used both doors on Sanada and he still failed. As a last resort, he used reverse tezuka zone that has a chance of damaging his already healed arm again. If Tezuka loses, it just shows that Sanada is the better player.

If you do not agree with me, I will no longer agrue with somebody who doesn't understand the series, therefore making conversation meaningless.

I agree and also note that just like how Tezuka couldn't use his doors due to his weak arm, Sanada sealed off his 2 deadliest techniques (okay fine lightening is deadly and shadow is only situationally deadly) to make up for the lost time Tezuka had while he was injured.

The only thing I don't like in POT so far is the introduction of moves then the fact we never see them again. IE why doesn't tezuka just pull off a few a more zero-shiki drop serves (yes Sanada is very quick... but still can he return that serve?) and why doesn't Echizen use cool drive more >_>... you can probably think of a few more.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Well the Tenipuri OVA's arent aired in the first place. They RAW providers would actually have to buy the DVD and rip it then encode it etc. THings like Naruto are a bit easier and "free" because theyre actually aird on Television and dont really require money to get.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

i cant get this chapter the link doesnt work. can sum1 help me

here's the link to the R/T/S thread for 334. All the links should still be working...I just checked them myself.

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8240

[yoru sama]

Just to clarify for you.

I agree. I hate when a move disappears. In this case the reason is simple, it is too good.

So far in the manga the zero shiki serve is the ONLY move that is literally a guaranteed point. In tennis it is illegal to touch a serve until after it bounces.

Kudos to Tezuka. Too bad we may never see it again. (unless echizen copies it for some yay him moment)

PS. By the way Uchihaj, I am in Japan. But thank you for ruining my dream of meeting Echizen on the street. :crying :crying You do realise you took away one of my life aspirations. And do not worry, I am not dumb enough to actually try these moves *ditches tennis racket behind couch*

[uchihaj]

I only gave the advise because they didn't work when I tried, and I don't live in Japan so that plane ticket was a waste for me. Just didn't want you to take that same path I did ;^)

I think that Atobe could return the zero shiki serve , like in the match with Echizen. Correct me if I am wrong by all means.

[juUnior]

Actually all OVA's must be bought within dvd, so if anybody wants he buys and gives us a raw, so we shouldnt actually complain about such things.

On the other hand, to topic, I'm always waiting for Saizen team to do a fansub xD

[Fayte]

I think that Atobe could return the zero shiki serve , like in the match with Echizen. Correct me if I am wrong by all means.

You mean the Tan serve.

[Fayte]

Taken from fet

http://www.tokyotosho.com/details.php?id=78346

[Slippers]

Even with the "new" Tezuka zone, Tezuka is going to lose.
The new move puts a big burden on his arm, which means, he's either gonna lose badly, or he's goingo to have to withdraw because of his arm/elbow/shoulder, which sets up Oishi/Eiji, Fuji and Echizen to win 3 games in a row after doubles 2 loses

Unless Tezuka has another move up his sleeve, he's basicly done for

[FuuRinKaInZan]

Thanks you for the link Fayte. I guess this can be closed now.

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Thanks you for the link Fayte. I guess this can be closed now.

Nah...we don't need to close it. I'll rename the thread to a Discussion for the OVA. That way no one has to create a new one to discuss.

[Atobe the king]

damnit...i dont know how torrents work...

[Fayte]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/n8o1jw

[Atobe the king]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/n8o1jw

Sweet mother of mary, thank you so much
~goes to convert avi file for psp viewing:) ~

[yoru sama]

No, Atobe`s front foot hop is just a way to return a low ball. The cool drive and taunhauser serve bounce irregularly (very close to ground), they do not truly roll like say Tsubame Gaeshi or Zero Shiki.

In tennis you have to wait until after the serves bounces (taunhauser serve bounces) for you to return it, since zero shiki never does (what a load of impossible bull) it is impossible to return. There is no existing method to return a rolling ball (as it never will happen) that wouldn`t be considered scooping (which is illegal), maybe our beloved author might invent one for Sanada to use.

[SemutKesemutan]

Which one is the zero shiki serve? Can't remember this one ...

[FuuRinKaInZan]

For those who watched it already, how is it? What were your likes and dislikes?

[Atobe the king]

is PoT being released this week? i heard no news of spoilers or pics


Which one is the zero shiki serve? Can't remember this one ...

its a serve version of the zero-shiki drop shot

[Sai_the_Shaman]

is PoT being released this week? i heard no news of spoilers or pics



its a serve version of the zero-shiki drop shot

Yes Tenipuri is being released this week, however Kylara, our usual Raw Provider is out of town and won't be able to scan it till at least Tuesday...hopefully we might get raws elsewhere or we jsut have to be paitient.

[Atobe the king]

For those who watched it already, how is it? What were your likes and dislikes?

It was pretty good, the highlight match between fuji and shiraishi was very good, the tweeked the opening and got a new ending, my only problem was that atobe shaved his own head instead of ryoma.

[FuuRinKaInZan]

Yea I liked the match between fuji and shiraishi as well. It showed how important hard work is in the game of tennis. I found it ironic that out of all the opponents fuji faced the one that beats him is the one who plays tennis with very few special moves.
The match b etween tachibana and chitose was awesome as well. e got to see the pinnacle of great wisdom in action and abare jishi as well.
I liked these two episodes more than most of the past ones.

[Griffith]

http://chapjump.free.fr/Pot.zip chinese scan of pot 350

[bax]

Yes, it is the Chinese scanlation. While you can download it if you want to know the story,please DO NOT use it as a base for your scanlation without permission.

And since it is Chinese scan, we won't put RTS for it.

[TEK]

Sweet. I'm satisfied with this for now. It looks like Tezuka has scared Oishi to the point of screaming once again. At least Tezuka finally busted out his Zero-Shiki Serve. Now that the score is tied, I wonder how the match will continue to progress...

[Atobe the king]

yeah but they took out shiraishi's special shot, and my favorite ova is Atobe vs ryoma

Btw anyone who wants that subbed here (ova 13)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R2TU2PMW

[FuuRinKaInZan]

I think they took it out so they could emphasize that you don't have to have near impossible tennis moves in order to play good tennis. Shiraishi made fuji look like a joke until the match point and i dont think a score like that has ever been attributed to fuji. Shiraishi could probably beat most people in POT and give tezuka, sanada, ryoma and atobe a run for their money..

[Atobe the king]

pretty much too bad we may never see him play again, he's my favorite newcomer, he has an awsome character design, hair style, and tht bandage seems to make him look cooler as well

[Atobe the king]

Damn i want this translated ><, the Atobe thing surprised me, i actually forgot they were searching for the super rookie

[SemutKesemutan]

When did tezuka do zero shiki serve?

[animerawkz]

350 is already out.. i cant find the DL link but i found a website which uploaded it.. though, its in chinese...

http://qqoo.net/read.php?tid-154458-page-e.html

[Sai_the_Shaman]

When did tezuka do zero shiki serve?

He did it during the match point against Chitose

[Fayte]

A rough translation taken from fet's "mbr"

----
Audience: Tezuka uses his Reverse Tezuka Zone to make Sanada's Rai go out of bounds.

Audience: Such a thing...

Seigaku supporters: Is possible! Because it's Tezuka Buchou!

----
Umpire: Out! Game Tezuka 4-1.

Sanada: ...

Seigaku supporters: Uuuooooh!

<The silent fighting spirit. The determined fighting aura>

Tezuka: Yuudan Sezuni ikou!

---
Atobe: Momoshiro, looks like Tezuka is on the counter attack

Momoshiro: Oh! Oh! That's the buchou!

Oshitari: Is that true, Atobe?

Atobe: Yes. But... He is sacrificing his wrist again.

---

Umpire: Out! Game Tezuka 2-4.

Audience: Strong! He's strong! That's simple "Tezuka's Haunting Persona"

Rikkai's supporters: Tezuka Kunimitsu is really not that simple. Originally that indomitable Rai... just could not get in court!

Ryuzaki: Don't... Don't do it, Tezuka...


Oishi: What is it, Ryuzaki sensei?

Echizen: Sen...

Ryuzaki: ...

Fuji: (once again you had... for our team...)

Oishi: Sensei!!

---

(someone in heli): 6 times the spin of Tezuka Zone, is it?

Atobe: That guy's really a monster. He mentioned of it before... Impossible...

Momoshiro: That's obvious! Tezuka's Zone itself would have taken an abnormal amount of spin.

Momoshiro: (Doing such a thing would no doubt impose a tremendous burden on the wrist.)

---

Oishi: Why did you... Everytime it's been like this...

Umpire: Game Tezuka 3-4!

---

Audience: Seigaku! Seigaku!

Sanada: That's enough, Tezuka. you will never be able to play tennis anymore.

Tezuka: Is your determination only at this level?

Sanada: You're joking.

---

Sanada: (Hu... All right. Let me see your determination till the end.)

Sanada: (But, don't think that it would only be like this...)

Sanada: (Could it be...!!)

Seigaku supporters: There it is! Zero shiki serve!

---

Tezuka: Huh!

Umpire: 30-0

Tezuka: Hah!

Umpire: 40-0

Tezuka: Woooooooooh!

Sanada: Damn! Tezuka!

Tezuka: It's useless.

Umpire: Game, Tezuka. 4 games all.

<As the captain of Seigaku
As Tezuka Kunimitsu
Unfaltering determination!!!>

[ItachiKiller46]

who do you think will be playing doubles two? My bet is Oishi Eiji, but I think even though it would be a big waste for future singles matches I'd like to see fuji/echizen play doubles

[Slippers]

I think it will be, Inui and Kaidoh for doubles 2
And then Echizen(yes) for singles 2
Oishi and Eiji for doubles 1
and then Fuji for Singles 1
which means that even if Tezuka wins, Echizen still gets to play :)

[Chidoki]

I think that Shiraishi's move was taken out because Kevin Smith from the fillers used that similar move. The anime fillers can in a way became inferior to that signature attack. But I really wanted to see it animated with Shiraishi's attack. I really wanted to see it animated the most in this match only to be disappointed by it's absense.

[Atobe the king]

I think that Shiraishi's move was taken out because Kevin Smith from the fillers used that similar move. The anime fillers can in a way became inferior to that signature attack. But I really wanted to see it animated with Shiraishi's attack. I really wanted to see it animated the most in this match only to be disappointed by it's absense.

i havent read the chapters in awhile but didnt they also remove fuji's 4th counter? or did he not do it?

[Sai_the_Shaman]

i havent read the chapters in awhile but didnt they also remove fuji's 4th counter? or did he not do it?

Yep, they removed the part where he tries his 4th counter on Shiraishi

[Atobe the king]

Yep, they removed the part where he tries his 4th counter on Shiraishi


Oh well, the ovas are more of a synopsis anyway

[whatsntomake]

Thanks for the translation

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Well now that I finally had the time to watch both episodes completely (I sort of skipped through the first time) I have a few complaints and general thoughts. For one, I do liked how the handled the end of the Atobe/Ryoma match and liked how Atobe shaved his own head and such. However, the Tachibana/Chitose match seemed just a little rushed to me...I can't quite place my finger on why. Also I dont like how they seemed to get rid of all the cuts and scars from Akira and Tetsu because I thought those were a great addition to showing how hard they worked (even though they still got majorly pwned)

Going on to the Fuji/Shiraishi match. I don't like how Shiraishi doesn't have his one special move nor how Fuji doesn't even try to use his 4th counter. Fuji not using the 4th counter and having it defeated doesn't quite allow him to fall rock bottom like he should have before climbing back up. However one thing I did particularly enjoy was the animation for Shiraishi's return of Fuji's vanishing serve.

Those are my only real thoughts on the OVA's of the Semi-Finals. Like Atobe the King said, theyre really only a synopsis of the manga being fit into the anime storyline.

[Atobe the king]

Well now that I finally had the time to watch both episodes completely (I sort of skipped through the first time) I have a few complaints and general thoughts. For one, I do liked how the handled the end of the Atobe/Ryoma match and liked how Atobe shaved his own head and such. However, the Tachibana/Chitose match seemed just a little rushed to me...I can't quite place my finger on why. Also I dont like how they seemed to get rid of all the cuts and scars from Akira and Tetsu because I thought those were a great addition to showing how hard they worked (even though they still got majorly pwned)

Going on to the Fuji/Shiraishi match. I don't like how Shiraishi doesn't have his one special move nor how Fuji doesn't even try to use his 4th counter. Fuji not using the 4th counter and having it defeated doesn't quite allow him to fall rock bottom like he should have before climbing back up. However one thing I did particularly enjoy was the animation for Shiraishi's return of Fuji's vanishing serve.

Those are my only real thoughts on the OVA's of the Semi-Finals. Like Atobe the King said, theyre really only a synopsis of the manga being fit into the anime storyline.

Tachibanas match did seem rushed, and the transition between chitose's resignition and confronting tezuka was horrible. Atobe's haircut created and inconsistancy but in the manga he said "If i lose i'll shave my head" so oh well thats ok

As for shiraishi's match, i was very pleased with it, i also loved the dissapearing serve return snd his "extasy" line was was priceless.

Im predicting the ovas will go as follow

15
doubles 2
16
singles 2


17
doubles 1
18
singles 1

19
some stand alone episode summarizing rikkai vs Nagoya

[FuuRinKaInZan]

One thing I forgot to mention that I liked was the new music that played when fuji started to make a comeback. I noticed it after watching the episode for the 6th time lol.

[Atobe the king]

One thing I forgot to mention that I liked was the new music that played when fuji started to make a comeback. I noticed it after watching the episode for the 6th time lol.

Really? i dint catch any, i actually think they could have chosen better tracks

[FuuRinKaInZan]

It starts when fuji is down 40-love and they start to rally with shiraishi trying to end the point as quickly as possible. The music that they chose fits the atmosphere of that moment. I also think that shiraishi VA did a great job in this episode. My favourite quotes being when he says "asobi shimai ya!" which basically translates into "playtime is over!" or "im done playing around!" and "ji endo ya" which is "this is the end!".

[Atobe the king]

It starts when fuji is down 40-love and they start to rally with shiraishi trying to end the point as quickly as possible. The music that they chose fits the atmosphere of that moment. I also think that shiraishi VA did a great job in this episode. My favourite quotes being when he says "asobi shimai ya!" which basically translates into "playtime is over!" or "im done playing around!" and "ji endo ya" which is "this is the end!".

Oh that song, its been used before, but very seldomly

and im still stuck on extasy

btw how many different ways is there to say it's over ive heard

todomedah
waridah
ji endo ya?

the japanese language is so confusing:p

[Otaku-Kun]

From where i can get the information when th next scanlation is ready?

[FuuRinKaInZan]

My mistake, "ji endo ya" means "it's the end" not "this is the end"

Well, the "ji endo ya" is shiraishi's kansai-ben. I think in standard japanese it should be "ji endo da/desu" but ya can replaced with desu in kansai-ben. Also we also have many ways of saying "it's over" in english as well. It is just that you use different words to convey the same meaning depending on the situation. eg saying "im done with this" is like saying "it's over" in certain situations.

P.S i think your "waridah" is supposed to me "warui da" which means usually means "im sorry" but it can also mean another thing in certain situations like "im sorry, but it's over." But the base meaning is "bad" so saying it to someone is like saying "im sorry".

[Atobe the king]

My mistake, "ji endo ya" means "it's the end" not "this is the end"

Well, the "ji endo ya" is shiraishi's kansai-ben. I think in standard japanese it should be "ji endo da/desu" but ya can replaced with desu in kansai-ben. Also we also have many ways of saying "it's over" in english as well. It is just that you use different words to convey the same meaning depending on the situation. eg saying "im done with this" is like saying "it's over" in certain situations.

P.S i think your "waridah" is supposed to me "warui da" which means usually means "im sorry" but it can also mean another thing in certain situations like "im sorry, but it's over." But the base meaning is "bad" so saying it to someone is like saying "im sorry".
I forgot since Shitenhouji is from osaka that they speak a different language

as for waridah, your pobably right about how its spelled, but i actually got the meaning through video games lol

Gaara tends to use this in narutimate hero and when released in english he says it over

i know no japanese at all but i learned a lot of words and phrases, enough to atleast watch a raw and have some idea of whats going

"Yudan sezu ni ikou"

[HikaruYami]

Thanks very much for bringing that over here, Fayte!

But, since I've seen the RAW, I have to point out to mbr that although he's pretending to be Echizen atm, saying that Echizen is saying something like that ("Sen...") is ridiculous. It's a huge insult to Ryoma's character. That idiot could never be as straightforward in speech as Ryoma-kun.

Edit: Oh yeah, I think his name is Horio. He's such an unimportant character I always forget it.

[Nami]

Hi Otaku-kun, you can check out the Latest Scanlation Section (http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=447)or the R/T/S section (http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=128) for the latest chapters :)

[ThE WoRm]

wari da is a short for owarida, which means "The end", it has nothing to do with warui.

About the chapters, I didn't like the fact that they didn't flashback Fuji vs Tachibana before the Tachibana vs Chitose match. It was a little rash, and they're gonna do something I'll really hate soon, in chapter 19 (Which is the match between Ryoma and That kansai kid, not singles 1, and it'll be great if that rally will get its own episode) when Fuji will say "Yes, that was Tenni Muhou no Kiwami for a second", because Fuji learned about the Tenni Muhou from Chitose in that match, but they cut the part where Chitose mentiones it. Also they cut the political talks Tezuka and Chitose did about how to put the players, when Chitose told Tezuka that the kid will be in singles one, and he should put Ryouma there, it's not that obvious the kid will be in singles one, my guess would've been for singles 2 or 3, and Ryuuzaki could never foresee such a thing. Also, when she put Fuji in singles 3 she didn't know it'll be Shiraishi who's against him, like, when do you put the captain in singles 3? that's weird, espacially for a team at Shitenoji caliber, it was just because Chitose came to Shiraishi and told him the match of him against Fuji will be the most interesting, part of Chitose's political game. In the end Atobe cutting his own head was also kinda weird, as Ryoma took the pleasure of doing so.

Oh, and forget about them taking out the 4th counter and Shiraishi's special move, that's fine because of time issues, but they did something I really loved, they've put a logical side into "Hecta's gurdians" because it was just too weird he couldn't get his serves over the net (in the manga, as I recall, Konomi put a part where Shiraishi couldn't pass a serve because of that) and now they've added the fact that Fuji has used the Hecta's guardians for each and each of his attacks. A bad point, the movement of Hecta's guardians didn't look that easy to return, while it should've been so.

By the way, 21 is the yakiniku chapter :P That should be something to wait for.

And I loved the fact that the gay player that looks like an old man is being seiyuued by the seiyuu for the girl who dresses like a guy in Nodame cantibale.

Although I wanted Shitenoji's couch to be seiyuued by Urahara's seiyuu because they look so much a like, but well, there are things you can't get :P

[FuuRinKaInZan]

One line i am having trouble with is when shiraishi said "ji endo yatta yuta yaro(u)!". I think he says "I said it's the end no matter what you do!" or "I said it's the end for this guy/you(fuji)! Maybe someone can help me with this? Since i dont have the manga to verify, doesn't yarou mean this guy(bastard) and yaro the command form to yaru-to try? It is sort of hard to distinguish between the two in this case. Can someone help clarify this?

[Crayola]

yeah but they took out shiraishi's special shot, and my favorite ova is Atobe vs ryoma

Btw anyone who wants that subbed here (ova 13)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R2TU2PMW

hey i was wondering where you got this, and if you know where i can get twelve, thx