Badges and speculation [Archive]

rurouniwill

April 19, 2006, 04:30 PM

dunno if its foreshadowing but he's something I found so i started a new thread

Chapter 1: Door Sign for Ichigo's Room

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Chapter 184: The Acknowledgement Seal

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I know this is not much but the shape of the badge on the door is the same shape as the badge for ichigo's badge. I think I also saw badges for SS division members to have similar badges (except for captains and vice-captains - theirs are long in length).

Could there be speculation that Ichigo's dad was a former shinigami in a division that is no longer active? Has it been stated that there has only ever been 13 divisions...could Isshin have been in the 15th division that was in charge of something totally different?

Dragonzair

April 21, 2006, 06:44 AM

WOW. O.O

I saw that badge too (I was brushing up on Bleach a few days back) and was trying to think up of a logical reasoning for it looking so familiar. Good find!

Hah. Look what you've done. Got me all excited. :P

That'll be a nice thought though. The only thing is, they haven't mentioned it at all. I mean, Ishin only left 20 years ago *in the BLeach World*. But still...props for the find! :D

asymptotic

April 24, 2006, 04:40 AM

I don't think Ichigo's dad was a captain because I don't think a shinigami in a gigai can have kids, if you know what I mean.
But this is manga, anything can happen I guess.
And for some speculation:
I think the Aizen thing will lead to Ichigo and the gang dealing with even more enemies, but this time enemies from the gates of hell. That would be cool. Maybe Aizen is really from hell and infiltrated soul society.

Dragonzair

April 30, 2006, 04:00 AM

I also remember this:

Ichi = one
Go = five

Galth

April 30, 2006, 05:28 AM

Ichi = one
Go = five

True, but that is written with different characters :p - Nice coincidence though XD

jabbament

April 30, 2006, 07:00 PM

I don't think Ichigo's dad was a captain because I don't think a shinigami in a gigai can have kids, if you know what I mean.
But this is manga, anything can happen I guess.
Go read the thread about Ichigo's Father (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2650.0). Our guesses on it push towards Urahara giving him one of his gigai (the ones that he was exiled from Soul Society because of...) that turns a Shinigami into a human.

Could be something to the Ichigo/15 thing, you never know. Coincidences like that can sometimes turn out to be truth.
Maybe Soul Society had a Gotei 15, but then something happened and they lost Captains and couldn't replace them, so they became Gotei 13...like right now, Soul Society is out 3 Captains...who knows, maybe something happened after Isshin left (assuming he was a captain) and they lost another division. Its not totally far fetched.

edit: Okay, after reading that back over, it is far fetched...considering its always been referred to as the Gotei 13 even in flashbacks that took place a hundred years ago in Soul Society...but you never know, still a slight chance, eh?

edit, edit: Well, been thinking about it and its not uncommon to use present day terms when speaking about the past now, is it? It could have been the Gotei 15 100 years ago, but since its the Gotei 13 now, saying something like, "It was always our dream to join the Gotei 13..." when talking to someone in the present would prevent confusion. Calling the Gotei 13 the Gotei 15 when its currently the Gotei 13 would confuse people. (Not sure if that made any sense...but hell, I still think this theory you all have going is possible.)

Dragonzair

May 02, 2006, 05:37 AM

jabbament

May 02, 2006, 07:46 AM

Heh.

Now I think about, it may be possible. o.O But Isshin left about 20 years ago, and it's quite far off from any of the flashbacks right?

But I still can't get it off my head that he may have been from the Royal Guard. XD
Yeah. I personally hope the other theory is correct...him either being from the Royal Guard, or maybe part of the Royal Family...him being in the Royal Family could also explain why no one recognizes the name "Kurosaki" too? Since wasn't it said that no one knows who they really are? I'm SURE someone other than Urahara would know Isshin from Soul Society if he was a Captain/part of the Royal Guard...and I'm sure they would have SOME information in their database about him and could 2 and 2 together about Ichigo...but, you never know.

Just another thought. :p

Dragonzair

May 02, 2006, 09:40 AM

jabbament

May 02, 2006, 11:02 AM

Thing is, the only ones who are in the human world are a few seaters, a VC, and someone who became a Captn. recently, probably after Isshin left. Which is why none of them recognised Isshin.

Here's to hoping one of the older Captns come to the Human World. XD

I'm just wondering when Ichigo will find out...
Well, that is true...but how long ago was Urahara exiled? I'm pretty sure it was 20 or more years, yeah? Ikkaku knew immediately who Urahara was, so if Isshin was a powerful shinigami/captain/someone famous, I'm sure even the youngin's would know SOMETHING about him, or at least recognize the name.

But, then again, there is still a possibility that maybe Hitsugaya/Matsumoto/Renji/Ikkaku/Yumichika know about him already...as they seem to be alot smarter than Ichigo and can actually sense a person's reiatsu, and either just assume he knows or are waiting for him to find out and make an even bigger ass of himself. [Doubtful, but its always fun watching him make an ass out of himself. :p]

I think Ichigo will find out pretty soon...I somehow don't see Grimjaw taking what happened to him quietly. Maybe he'll sneak back out and try to kill Ichigo again, only to have Isshin kill him or something, since Ichigo still can't control his hollow well enough to fight on his level.

I'm dying to find out who he really is...but I think he being along the lines of the Royal Guard/Family would be better overall than the Gotei 13 having been the Gotei 15 and Isshin being the 15th Division Captain.

Dragonzair

May 02, 2006, 11:41 AM

jabbament

May 02, 2006, 12:57 PM

We really should have a prediction's thread about when Isshin will finally reveal to Ichigo everything. Damn. XD

And yeah, Urahara was exiled 100 years ago.

You're right about the shinigamis sensing the reatsu. @_@ I forgot about that. XD Kyahaha .It's possible they like seeing Ichigo making a fool of himself. XD
Yeah, we should have a thread with predictions...someone should go make one damn it! (I'm way too lazy...) :p

So, if Urahara was exiled 100 years ago, and Isshin was a Shinigami till 20 years ago, someone should know of him I'd think.

The only way they can't sense someone's reiatsu (however that's spelled) that we know is through Kidoh (remember when Hinamori was following Hitsugaya after she woke up? Hitsugaya couldn't sense her...), but I'm guessing its something that they couldn't keep up 24/7, because I don't think even a Captain can completely hide his/her massive spirtual pressure.

And yeah, we know for sure Renji and Ikkaku love seeing Ichigo make an ass of himself. They even help! :p

Galth

May 02, 2006, 01:02 PM

Rename this to the jabbament and Dragonzair private discussion thread? :oh
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Dragonzair

May 03, 2006, 01:13 AM

*kicks Ghost*

We're having serious discussion here about two of the hottestbad assed characters of Bleach (Isshin and, on a few occasions, Kisuke). :P

@Jabbament: XD I'm lazier. XD But I'll get my ass on posting it a little later, if I remember.

We've gone a little bit of topic (although good posts XD) and I think we should take this to the Isshin thrad.

...

Not that we haven't. XD

What if there really isn't a 15th Division though? Just think about it for now, and imagine that this door sign thingy is actualy only a foreshadowing of what's to come? And not what has happened before?

I've posted a link in my foreshadowings thread, where, in this particular site, it was thought that Ichigo may be having the same fate as Kaein. And...blahblah. Ah. Too lazy to say everything. Once you open the site, go to the 'plot' section.

http://insane.sigh.org/bleach/

Ok. Taking that into consideration, and the fact that '15' is actually a foreshadowing, it may be possible that Ichigo does die and may be the new 15th Division Captain.

A little far-fetched, but tht's all I can think of right now. XD

btw, you spelt reiatsu right. XD

jabbament

May 03, 2006, 08:18 AM

Damn straight, Dragonzair...and hey? Urahara ain't sexy enough for you? Pfft. FREAK. Isshin would be sexier, but he's too scraggly~!
Erm, yes...moving right along!

And, Khal, we haven't stopped anyone else from posting anything...no one else seems interested enough so meh! :p

Well, I went and read what the theory, but I somehow don't think Ichigo is going to die...it might just be a play on Ichigo's name. Think about it, at the moment, Soul Society is down 3 Captains, and for the Gotei 13 to become the Gotei 15, they'd need to find 4 more Captains [and Ichigo if he were to die]. So far, we know that Renji could take over one of the spots as a Captain, and Ikkaku another, but no other already developed character has a Bankai for all we know. (Plus, Ikkaku said he wants to stay in the 11th Squad till he dies...again?).

The only other possibility would be Isshin and Urahara going back to Soul Society, but somehow, I don't see Urahara going back given their past, and Isshin his his own (currently unrevealed) reasons as to why he left.

I don't think 3 months is enough time for Ichigo to die and regain his Shinigami powers...unless, he would keep them after he dies and not have to [re]develop them like a normal person (but then again, Ichigo ain't exactly normal...). But Ichigo dying? Poor Hime would be devastated...she'd have to cry more. :s

_ATMA

May 03, 2006, 08:57 AM

Think about it, at the moment, Soul Society is down 3 Captains, and for the Gotei 13 to become the Gotei 15, they'd need to find 4 more Captains [and Ichigo if he were to die]. So far, we know that Renji could take over one of the spots as a Captain, and Ikkaku another, but no other already developed character has a Bankai for all we know. (Plus, Ikkaku said he wants to stay in the 11th Squad till he dies...again?).

not true there were two other people from 11th division who developed bankais but havnt told anyone about it beacuse they want to keep it a secert from their leader.... remember?

eh... the bald guy whos name is alsmost the same as ichigo's and then the one guy who is absesed with makeing himself look good remember? iti wasnt even that long ago

sorry i cant remember their names..... and im at school right now lol so im too lazy to look it up

Dragonzair

May 03, 2006, 09:02 AM

HimeXIchi fan, huh? XD

*is more of a IchixTatsuki >_>;;*

Erm, anyway, yeah. Three spots to fill for Captain-ship. But I'm thinking, Rukia has developed a ShiKai (and she's not even a seater in he Division? Or have I forgotten something XD) And she did say that her brother had made sure that she doesn't get any position so she can stay safe (how ironic :eyeroll) It's possible that she may sooner or later, attain BanKai and may take a position as Captain. :XD

Oh, and Ikkaku did say that he'll fight under Kenpachi's leadership forever. ^_^ (<33333 Baldy)

And about the theory, I don't think he'll die that early either. But it still keeps me thinking. XD And we'll never really know about Bleach. =S It may be one of the few mangas where the main character would die. (ouch...)

not true there were two other people from 11th division who developed bankais but havnt told anyone about it beacuse they want to keep it a secert from their leader.... remember?

eh... the bald guy whos name is alsmost the same as ichigo's and then the one guy who is absesed with makeing himself look good remember? iti wasnt even that long ago

sorry i cant remember their names..... and im at school right now lol so im too lazy to look it up

That's Ikkaku (baldy) and Yumichika. XD I don't think Yumi has attained BanKai yet. He's only revaled what it truly is. A demon art type sword, or something.

_ATMA

May 03, 2006, 09:52 AM

ah i knew that ikkaku had bankai but i wasnt completely sure about the other guy but i have a feeling kubo does have something up his for yumachika

jabbament

May 03, 2006, 12:56 PM

Nah, Dragonzair, I'm a HimeXIshida fan, and an TatsukiXIchigo fan. Its just that she's so in love with Ichigo, and seeing her cry... :crying

Anywho, Yumichika may have a Bankai...which, that will be interesting to see. All the Bankai we've seen have been the same 2 types...we've never seen an energy type Zanpaktou Bankai, have we?

Lets think!
Non-Elemental/Non-Energy Based:

Ichigo, Ikkaku, Byakuya, Shunsui, Jyuushiro, Komamura, Tousen, Kurotshuchi

Elemental:

Yama-jii, Hitsugaya

Energy based:
None so far...?

Energy based would be something like Yumichika or Hinamori (hers shoots out fireballs or some crap like that)...I wonder what an energy based Zanpaktou Bankai would be. :P

Now...back on topic:
Based on this theory, there are 5 seats to fill (the Ichigo = 15th division captain foreshadowing theory). And yes, Rukia is not a seated member of her division because of the interference of Byakuya. She's easily Vice-Captain level though, and seeing her with a Bankai would be awesome methinks.

For the other Vice-Captains, I don't think any of them have Bankai (obviously Renji does)...and there still IS the chance that Yumichika does too (considering his and Ikkaku's relationship), but I believe he's with Ikkaku on wanting to be in the 11th Squad till he dies.

Now, to have Aizen or Gin (or maybe even Grimjaw...nah, not Grimjaw) kill Ichigo, him keep his spiritual powers, and return back as a REAL Shinigami would be interesting. He'd be more powerful that way. As its been said by Byakuya AND the anti-Ichigo, his mortal body can't handle the stress of Bankai on his body, so Ichigo dying would prove useful in battle (that sounds pretty odd..."Yeah, going and dying in battle would be useful..."). Somehow though, I don't see him dying. He's come so far as a Human/Shinigami, it might be a shame to kill him and bring him back as a REAL Shinigami.

Dragonzair

May 03, 2006, 02:01 PM

Erm, I don't know if I'm wrong but I remember something about Rukia's being an elemental? Something like Hitsugaya's? XD

And nice! You're a fan of the same pairings as I am! XD

Based on this theory, there are 5 seats to fill (the Ichigo = 15th division captain foreshadowing theory). And yes, Rukia is not a seated member of her division because of the interference of Byakuya. She's easily Vice-Captain level though, and seeing her with a Bankai would be awesome methinks.

If she does, I'm betting (hopedully) she's going to sue them against the Arrankars. Grimjow perhaps? With Ichigo? XD

And it is possible that Yumi gets a BanKai, sooner or later. But yeah, I agree with you. He'd stay with Kenpachi all the way. (Man, I love their division)..

Now, to have Aizen or Gin (or maybe even Grimjaw...nah, not Grimjaw) kill Ichigo, him keep his spiritual powers, and return back as a REAL Shinigami would be interesting. He'd be more powerful that way. As its been said by Byakuya AND the anti-Ichigo, his mortal body can't handle the stress of Bankai on his body, so Ichigo dying would prove useful in battle (that sounds pretty odd..."Yeah, going and dying in battle would be useful..."). Somehow though, I don't see him dying. He's come so far as a Human/Shinigami, it might be a shame to kill him and bring him back as a REAL Shinigami.

I really can't imagine GrimJow beating Ichigo. Maybe he'll get killed by him. XD Kehehee.

It would be a shame for him to die, but we'll never know. Im, really, I wouldn't want him to die. But I can't get this notion out of my head, that one of the main charas will die. I don't know why.

btw, what type would Urahara's be? Oh, wait. I'll create another topic about his Ban Kai. He uses his blood for that blood mist, though.

jabbament

May 03, 2006, 02:30 PM

Erm, I don't know if I'm wrong but I remember something about Rukia's being an elemental? Something like Hitsugaya's? XD
Yeah, you're right. Rukia is an Ice-type Zanpaktou, but she doesn't have a Bankai (that we know of) so I didn't include her in the list. :p

And nice! You're a fan of the same pairings as I am! XD
Not really suprised about that. :amuse

If she does, I'm betting (hopedully) she's going to sue them against the Arrankars. Grimjow perhaps? With Ichigo? XD
If she gets one...she'll use it. She better anyway damn it! Otherwise, we'll revolt!

I really can't imagine GrimJow beating Ichigo. Maybe he'll get killed by him. XD Kehehee.

It would be a shame for him to die, but we'll never know. Im, really, I wouldn't want him to die. But I can't get this notion out of my head, that one of the main charas will die. I don't know why.
Yeah, I can't imagine him beating Ichigo either...well NOW anyway. Before, he was going to kick Ichigo's ass, but Tousen stopped the fight...

As for one of the main characters dying? Could be...but I don't want any of them to die! Bleach is one of those rare anime that I don't dislike any of the characters at all...I wouldn't want any of them to die. If someone has to die, why the HELL can't it be Don Kanonji?! Seriously though, IF one had to die, my guess would be Ichigo, because he couuld make a return from Soul Society as a real Shinigami.

Dragonzair

May 03, 2006, 02:35 PM

All I can say is:

BOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

:nuts

And you're right. Bleach is the only manga where I liked all the characters, save for to. XD >_>;;

asymptotic

May 14, 2006, 05:01 AM

About that whole reiatsu sensing thing: Remember that people who have incredibly strong reiatsu can hide it very well (except Ichigo because he's an idiot).
And Ishin said if power was measured by your the size of your zanpakuto, then everyone would be walking around with enormous zanpakutos.
This means Ichigo's dad in insanely strong, since he's been able to hide it from so many people.
The point is strong people can easily hide their reiatsu(except ichigo for now), making it hard to find them.

Sharma

May 14, 2006, 02:24 PM

Speaking of these random coincidences with the number 15, isn't Ichigo 15 years old as well? :p

Dragonzair

May 14, 2006, 02:39 PM

I thought that's why he had it in the first place ^_^;

sigmadx

June 15, 2006, 02:41 PM

Just a random thought:

Maybe the first 13 divisions are designed for SS protection whereas higher divisions are for royal guards/super secret stuff

_ATMA

June 21, 2006, 06:06 AM

heh if u think about it that kinda makes seneces if u put it like this u have the first 13 squads the ones we know about then if u count the specail ops team as a 14th u can count the royal guard as a 15th? lol idk it sounds pretty absurd

Dragonzair

June 21, 2006, 11:33 AM

Hmmm...

That's a nice thought. o.O Never would've thought that.

15 seems to play a large role in Bleach, actually. Going through all the chapters again, I see it at least 3-5 times eery volume in covers, clothes etc.

gundammrw

October 03, 2007, 09:36 PM

Hmmm a thought. Looking at the badge, its obviously a hollow mask design. And behind it an "X" mark. Now I wonder if its possible that the badge, rather than being made as something convenient for ALL sub shinigami's, is rather made for Ichigo....or rather Ichigo's kind....the vaizards. Maybe something that is able to control him somehow. I dont know to what extent or for what reason but its a possibility.

Adding to it Ishida's concern in the manga. He seems bothered by it. As if it has some possible negative effect.

gfire2

October 04, 2007, 03:02 AM

i always believed isshin was the captain of the second division because soi fong doesnt look powerful enough to be incharge of the second most powerful seat in the gotei

macherie

October 04, 2007, 03:11 AM

radical3113

October 04, 2007, 11:30 AM

good point, but i don't think that the Gotei 13 is in order of ascending strength?
Unlike the Espada where 1 is the strongest i don't think the captain are ordered like that. (correct me if i'm wrong, not too sure, sorry ^^;)

if what u say is true then it means captain commander aint the strongest. maybe he's just the oldest. or maybe......:s i dont know

but i like this idea of there being a 15th squad protecting the king of ss. are there any hints in the manga? :oh

squidbreath

November 19, 2007, 02:45 AM

i always believed isshin was the captain of the second division because soi fong doesnt look powerful enough to be incharge of the second most powerful seat in the gotei

Uh, she became a captain 100 years prior to the current storyline. Isshin stopped being a death god about 80 years after that. It don't exactly add up lolz. Also, the division numbers don't mean anything, though Yamamoto would possibly be the strongest in spiritual power.

Btw, Soifon's Shikai can 2-hit pwn, she hasn't shown her Bankai...And we still don't know what she can do with her braids. :eyeroll

Dantrag

November 19, 2007, 10:44 AM

Isshin wasn't the captain of the second squad, period. Yoruichi was(as well as being the corps commander of the special units division) untill 100 years before the beginning of the main story of Bleach. She deserted when she helped Urahara escape from SS. Soi Fong then Became the captain of the second squad.

And no, we don't know when Isshin ditched SS. But we do know that he had lost his shinigami powers for atleast 20 years counting back from the beginning of the arrancar arc.

AngryChubbs

November 19, 2007, 10:49 AM

i definetly think that there is something special about ishin but i dont think he was just a captain. im really hoping for something bigger like he will play a huge role as the royal guard or something like that.

thats my hope anyway

Neuroff

November 19, 2007, 04:44 PM