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kadoman
August 24, 2007, 01:38 PM
Well, we got a highly anticipated chapter! It was a good one too and much was revealed!
Get your fix HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17213)!!

So, what will happen next? Will Itachi and Sasuke continue their showdown? Will Jiraiya fight Pein? And what about Naruto's past?

Predict away!

zidane
August 24, 2007, 01:49 PM
kushina talked like a guy, but when she grew up, she got really beautiful,...
so, do you say that pein ist beautiful for you?, well, some sick stuff...hehe...

zelllogan
August 24, 2007, 01:54 PM
kushina talked like a guy, but when she grew up, she got really beautiful,...
so, do you say that pein ist beautiful for you?, well, some sick stuff...hehe...

some blush, some make up, you change the hair ... in a manga, you can almost change every guy in a beauty just by some drawing.

Pein being a girl and naruto's mother is a crazy nearly impossible hypothesis but I find it more enjoyable than any other possibilities :D.

Askia32
August 24, 2007, 01:54 PM
Pein's hair is orangeish. Well it's time to brace yourselves for all the Karin is Naruto's sister predictions.

Just so its not spam, I'll predict the obvious.
Jaraiya is going to be face to face with Pein,and they will talk alot. Team Naruto is finally going to catch up to Hebi, and Kakashi will probably go to Sasuke, and say something coo. And that will be how the chapter ends.

Karma
August 24, 2007, 01:55 PM
It would be pretty funny if pein is a female. lol lol That would be some gay stuff there. I hope BH is naruto mother or someone else..

But happy to see they confirm that 4th is Naruto father.

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 02:01 PM
WOW, this was a bombshell chapter.....and arc in general.

Naruto's mother is from some fallen village called whirlpool...and has outrageous red hair....
and apparently they have similar ninjutsu styles....which says a lot given the somewhat unique nature of Naruto's ninjutsu.

At least that eliminates BH theories....but Pein's resemblance is still uncanny...and we've seen that physical resemblances matter in Naruto as Naruto himself DOES look just like his father (woot for everyone who called this) the fourth and all the other former genin also resemble their parents. I cant speculate on what this means however, as the 4th was a fairly young hokage and it would seem Naruto was his only child..... if his mother had another kid by someone else he almost certainly wouldn't resemble Minato....so whats the deal with Pein? An Uncle perhaps?

In the end the real questions are:

1: Why did Naruto take his mothers last name when he was in his fathers custody ::if the mom had been around the 4th would have told HER to make sure Naruto was viewed as a hero, not the 3ed::

2: Who else do we know with outrageous red hair? Karin anyone? Is she naruto's mom? Of course not.....but she is an idiot....so maybe she has some ties to the Uzamaki clan on the whirlpool side of things hmmm?

WolfXplorer
August 24, 2007, 02:02 PM
Man the manga is getting better and better.I really don't know what to predict.I'll leave that to you guys.

Tha Uchiha
August 24, 2007, 02:04 PM
Pein has orange hair, and I think that ANBU4U is right on, my thoughts exactly! :D

adel123456789
August 24, 2007, 02:05 PM
i think jiraya will face AL witch could be pain.....wait aminet who the fourth can be naruto fastder when narutos family name is Uzumaki not Namikaze.

Tha Uchiha
August 24, 2007, 02:06 PM
i think jiraya will face AL witch could be narutos ganfather

Actually AL is Tobi or Uchiha Madara, I think you mean Pein.

boyakist4649
August 24, 2007, 02:07 PM
I'm actually excited to see that the ANBU "Ne" (root) will come back into play... I wanted to see more of Sai and Danzou...

In either case, unfortunately it may the the beginning of the end for Jiraiya. Too bad...

Tias
August 24, 2007, 02:08 PM
Hm? where does it say that naruto's mother has red hair or what ever this is?
so the 4th is naruto's dad?
this is half ass lamed. i mean....it's just to...urgh....i cant put my words on this case.....
so it seems like naruto's mother is from another village, and she was loud just like naruto, lol, but later grew up to be a pretty looking woman.....who could thatr be?
no way it's the BH

zelllogan
August 24, 2007, 02:10 PM
Pein has orange hair
So what, my mom was blond , now she almost have white hair. Could be the same decoloration for pein.

NB : Am I the only one to see my first post (the "Could Pein actually ..." post) on this thread in last position ?

Skillachi
August 24, 2007, 02:31 PM
Prediction...

Jiraiya will meet Pein... Lots of talking will take place... Then eventually (a few manga's down the road) a fight which may lead to jiraiya's death :(:( i dont want him to die !!! :(

Tias
August 24, 2007, 02:32 PM
LOL, if that happend.....
*shrugs*
uuuh, that would be sooooo.....freaky....then it would be true that kishi sucks at drawing girls.......BH is the only one that looks good, the others, blegh

Karma
August 24, 2007, 02:38 PM
WOW, this was a bombshell chapter.....and arc in general.

Naruto's mother is from some fallen village called whirlpool...and has outrageous red hair....
and apparently they have similar ninjutsu styles....which says a lot given the somewhat unique nature of Naruto's ninjutsu.

At least that eliminates BH theories....but Pein's resemblance is still uncanny...and we've seen that physical resemblances matter in Naruto as Naruto himself DOES look just like his father (woot for everyone who called this) the fourth and all the other former genin also resemble their parents. I cant speculate on what this means however, as the 4th was a fairly young hokage and it would seem Naruto was his only child..... if his mother had another kid by someone else he almost certainly wouldn't resemble Minato....so whats the deal with Pein? An Uncle perhaps?

In the end the real questions are:

1: Why did Naruto take his mothers last name when he was in his fathers custody ::if the mom had been around the 4th would have told HER to make sure Naruto was viewed as a hero, not the 3ed::

2: Who else do we know with outrageous red hair? Karin anyone? Is she naruto's mom? Of course not.....but she is an idiot....so maybe she has some ties to the Uzamaki clan on the whirlpool side of things hmmm?

Answer your 1st: Well, the 4th Hokage gave Naruto is mother Name to protect him from is own enemy and at the same time think he owe Naruto mother at least that since her own village was damage.

2: I hope she is not apart of that Clan. But I hope that BH is from Naruto clan.


What i want people to understand & question to there is.. Could it be that Pein is Naruto family? Brother, uncle or Cousin?

Meaning when the whirlpool hidden village was fallen Uzumaki clan migrated to the rain village and now it’s a civil war.

lexx
August 24, 2007, 02:41 PM
Prediction:

-"Uchiha Madara" is some old spirit that can possess Uchiha clan members, or something analogous to that.
-Itachi annihilated all members of the clan except for Sasuke because he knew they were all at risk for being possessed by Madara. Maybe Mangekyo sharingan users are the only ones who can resist the possession. Itachi left Sasuke alive because Sasuke does have the potential of attaining that sharingan, and because if Itachi himself falls to Madara Sasuke's the only chance left to defeat him.

The "true power of the sharingan" is somehow related to whatever god-like energy source the tailed beasts come from. Maybe sharingan owners are the human wards of the beasts? Who knows.

For certain: Itachi wants Sasuke at the Uchiha location because there's a history lesson in store.

segua
August 24, 2007, 02:43 PM
Man, these predictions are getting harder and harder.

Sasuke goes to the hideout.

Itachi goes back to talk with Naruto. Another bomb is dropped.

Jiraiya goes looking around. Pein and BH goes to confront Jiraiya.

lordHokage
August 24, 2007, 02:46 PM
I predict Red Haired Karin is Naruto’s sister. :blink



WOW, this was a bombshell chapter.....and arc in general.

Naruto's mother is from some fallen village called whirlpool...and has outrageous red hair....
and apparently they have similar ninjutsu styles....which says a lot given the somewhat unique nature of Naruto's ninjutsu.

At least that eliminates BH theories....but Pein's resemblance is still uncanny...and we've seen that physical resemblances matter in Naruto as Naruto himself DOES look just like his father (woot for everyone who called this) the fourth and all the other former genin also resemble their parents. I cant speculate on what this means however, as the 4th was a fairly young hokage and it would seem Naruto was his only child..... if his mother had another kid by someone else he almost certainly wouldn't resemble Minato....so whats the deal with Pein? An Uncle perhaps?

In the end the real questions are:

1: Why did Naruto take his mothers last name when he was in his fathers custody ::if the mom had been around the 4th would have told HER to make sure Naruto was viewed as a hero, not the 3ed::

2: Who else do we know with outrageous red hair? Karin anyone? Is she naruto's mom? Of course not.....but she is an idiot....so maybe she has some ties to the Uzamaki clan on the whirlpool side of things hmmm?

Agreed. :)

Both Pein and Naruto could be brothers, it all depends on their aged gapped. We can only assume Minato was in his mid twenties when Naruto was born. :blink

adel123456789
August 24, 2007, 02:47 PM
whirlpool means Uzumaki in japnies
oh and another thing for who were messled like i was who can Namikaze Minato (the fourth) be narutos father when narutos last name is Uzumaki not Namikaze
(the fourths familly name) witch could mean that narutos father is from the same clan.

Ichigo
August 24, 2007, 02:48 PM
Pein doesn't look like a girl, not to me. I predict Next Chapter we will have more about Team Hebi and Naruto, probably not get straight away to the Sauske and Itachi fight, though that would be badass.

kadoman
August 24, 2007, 02:53 PM
OK, I'm gonna go completely wild here seeing as though I'm STILL hyped up over the Uchiha fight and say that Pein is a female and is Naruto's mother. I've never made such a crazy statement before. :amuse

Otherwise, Pein is Naruto's half-brother. Wonder how old he is?

As for Uchiha...gah...I'm too emotional to make proper prediction other than that Sasuke will defeat Itachi and Itachi knows it.

lordHokage
August 24, 2007, 02:58 PM
Answer your 1st: Well, the 4th Hokage gave Naruto is mother Name to protect him from is own enemy and at the same time think he owe Naruto mother at least that since her own village was damage.

2: I hope she is not apart of that Clan. But I hope that BH is from Naruto clan.

What i want people to understand & question to there is.. Could it be that Pein is Naruto family? Brother, uncle or Cousin?

Meaning when the whirlpool hidden village was fallen Uzumaki clan migrated to the rain village and now it’s a civil war.

I think Uzumaki clan migrated to other countries as well, such as Fire country. :blink

shibigoku
August 24, 2007, 03:05 PM
Chapter 368 will end with Jiraiya vs Pein. Jiraiya will die in a few chapters. It sucks but only some intervention from someone else will save him.

I just don't think Naruto will be Jiraiya's avenger. Not at the level he is now. He's strong and resilient; has a perfect and advanced chakra control; excels in the use of Rasengan and Kage bushin no jutsu but that's not enough to beat Pein. Kishi give him more jutsu already!!!

segua
August 24, 2007, 03:08 PM
Hey recall what Jiraiya said about the Rain country. He said that it was a battlefield among the great shinobi countries and that it must've been flooded with refugees. What if Naruto's mother's family was made refugees during that time and was split up. Kushina ended up in Konoha while Pein ended up in the Hidden Rain Village. Pein does have the same hair colored as Naruto's mother by way of description. So it could be that Pein is actually Naruto's uncle.

Maybe because of the split in family, Pein hates war and tries to control it. Add the whole little brother obsessed with older sister thing in here.

Pein is a very beautiful man isn't he?

xVinhX
August 24, 2007, 03:18 PM
So Naruto's mom is from the Whirlpool country...and her last name means whirlpool (I read that Uzumaki means whirlpool somewhere before, and someone on this forum just restated), so maybe shes part of the royalty family or something

Bloodgear
August 24, 2007, 03:26 PM
I predict that Karin is Naruto's cousin, BH and Pein are her parent's , Pein being the brother of Yondaime. Or I could go further and say that BH is Naruto's mother's sister and then it's all really in the family.

I think that Naruto will finally be featured in 368. Though it'll be in correllation with Jiraiya meeting Pein and BH. "So, it's you. You're a disgrace", and then a shot of Naruto's face with the book revealing all showing who they are. Oh and Sasuke and Itachi'll meet up...somewhere. I might make a better prediction soon once I reread a few things.

segua
August 24, 2007, 03:31 PM
Uzumaki Pein is much better. He has a water ninjutsu, rain.

Now it would make more sense if Karin and Sai were siblings. I mean, they are perverts in their own right. Karin is raunchy while Sai is very affectionate towards penises. Add Suigetsu as Sai's brother. Man we got one helluva family reunion coming up.

ShadowStrike
August 24, 2007, 03:50 PM
maybe pein is a girl and tobi is having two wives? O.O

Seriously i think it would actually make the story better if both naruto's parents are dead but yet they are significant somehow. But it's good to know that naruto's a hybrid. Maybe he does have relatives after all.

pls i dont wanna see kakashi as hokage.. that's sux

KyleUchiha
August 24, 2007, 03:51 PM
Could Pein actually being a girl and naruto's mother?
Red hair, rain country, talk like a guy ... It could be very funny if actually pein is a girl and BH is a man lol.

I like to point out that they said Naruto looks like his father, they didn't say he looked like his mother, only he had her personality and similar ways of fighting.



As someone else suggested, Itachi will probably go back to talk to Naruto. I wouldn't be surprised if he told Naruto to go to the Uchiha hideout(obviously he will give Naruto directions) and wants to tell something to Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, and maybe wants them meet up, possibly he wants them to work together on whatever he has planned or whatever he reveals concerns them both, perhaps a little history lesson.

And we will see Jiraiya and Pein talking to each other, or at least meet. I hope we actually get to see a five to eight chapter battle but probably not, as I doubt Kishi wants to show too much of Pein's true abilities before the Naruto vs Pein fight.

Interesting that Jiraiya mentioned about the Root again, most likely that old guy is going to try something eventually, so we might soon see him again, who knows maybe planning something with Kabuto as well.

matrice
August 24, 2007, 03:51 PM
Well, now the teory of Pein being naruto's brother isn't crazy as before: we know that Neruto's mother had brown hair and Pein's ones are brown too, plus the lady wasn't originally from kohnoa, so this could explain a son in another country. The fact that Naruto resembles the 4th and Pein resembles Naruto make me think that maibe pein is the 4th's son, too.
The next chapter wil probably be about Jiraya'sfight with Pein, since Sasuke needs to reach Uchia's hideout first, and so mayb ewe will see him, but only at the end of the chapter, so we will not see him fight with Itachi yat.
In the end I was relieved that Itachi wasn't really killed. It would have been just too fast, considering that it's a fight that much of the fans awaited since the beginning of the manga and Itachi is still Itachi (so in a different category, compared to Orochimaru and Deidara).

TrieuDL
August 24, 2007, 03:58 PM
Weird how Naruto never learned who his father was-- I mean being the son of a legend to those he's surrounded by he's bound to figure out sometime.

Or maybe he is aware, idunno. I don't think Naruto's mother has been revealed at all in the story yet, it'd just be a tad too convinient I think-- same goes for Karin being Naruto's sister just because of the hair.
I still think Pein is related to Naruto in someway though. It would make sense if he was Naruto's brother, it'd add more to the Naruto paralleling Sasuke theme.

segua
August 24, 2007, 04:05 PM
I like to point out that they said Naruto looks like his father, they didn't say he looked like his mother, only he had her personality and similar ways of fighting.



As someone else suggested, Itachi will probably go back to talk to Naruto. I wouldn't be surprised if he told Naruto to go to the Uchiha hideout(obviously he will give Naruto directions) and wants to tell something to Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, and maybe wants them meet up, possibly he wants them to work together on whatever he has planned or whatever he reveals concerns them both, perhaps a little history lesson.

And we will see Jiraiya and Pein talking to each other, or at least meet. I hope we actually get to see a five to eight chapter battle but probably not, as I doubt Kishi wants to show too much of Pein's true abilities before the Naruto vs Pein fight.

Interesting that Jiraiya mentioned about the Root again, most likely that old guy is going to try something eventually, so we might soon see him again, who knows maybe planning something with Kabuto as well.

You know I just realized something when I read your post. What if Itachi plans to have Sasuke obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan by having Naruto come to the Uchiha hideout also. Itachi probably will force Sasuke to kill Naruto. That was why that bastard was smiling at Naruto. The closer the bond between two people, the more likely the MS will be obtained. That bastard is evil!

If I recall correctly, Naruto is out and about tracking the Sasuke. When he finds out the location of the hideout, he's going to go there. So Team Konoha has to find Naruto quickly before Itachi realizes his plan on having Sasuke obtain the MS. I think Itachi first plan to use himself to help Sasuke obtain the MS. Now it's going to be Naruto.

Maybe the organization that was behind the Uchiha slayings was actually Roots. Danzo probably thought that one of the most dangerous clan that would get in his way were the Uchihas who were fiercely loyal to Konoha so he had them all annihilated.

Oh yea, there seems to be a problem with zelllogan's post. It's stuck at the bottom and seemed to have caused a posting problem.

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 04:12 PM
Could Pein actually being a girl and naruto's mother?
Red hair, rain country, talk like a guy ... It could be very funny if actually pein is a girl and BH is a man lol.

You've said this like....7 times now. We get it.

EDIT

Interesting............

I take it back, this is probably a glitch.

KyleUchiha
August 24, 2007, 04:14 PM
You know I just realized something when I read your post. What if Itachi plans to have Sasuke obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan by having Naruto come to the Uchiha hideout also. Itachi probably will force Sasuke to kill Naruto. That was why that bastard was smiling at Naruto. The closer the bond between two people, the more likely the MS will be obtained. That bastard is evil!

If I recall correctly, Naruto is out and about tracking the Sasuke. When he finds out the location of the hideout, he's going to go there. So Team Konoha has to find Naruto quickly before Itachi realizes his plan on having Sasuke obtain the MS. I think Itachi first plan to use himself to help Sasuke obtain the MS. Now it's going to be Naruto.

Maybe the organization that was behind the Uchiha slayings was actually Roots. Danzo probably thought that one of the most dangerous clan that would get in his way were the Uchihas who were fiercely loyal to Konoha so he had them all annihilated.

Oh yea, there seems to be a problem with zelllogan's post. It's stuck at the bottom and seemed to have caused a posting problem.



Not impossible, but if that was the case, I think Itachi would be more aggressive with Naruto, maybe actually trying to kidnap him. Though one could say its just easier to fool Naruto into a trap than actually trying to kidnap him(and it is probably true), but something just leads me to believe that Itachi's intentions with Naruto are not that sinister, though I could be completely wrong.

zelllogan
August 24, 2007, 04:33 PM
You've said this like....7 times now. We get it.

EDIT

Interesting............

I take it back, this is probably a glitch.
I deleted it to solve the problem. Seems it work

segua
August 24, 2007, 04:38 PM
Seems like it worked.
[hr]

Naruto will grow up to be a beautiful woman just like his mother

LOL. Opposite of what I posted elsewhere but it did cross me mind.

EliteBeatAgents
August 24, 2007, 05:11 PM
Wouldn't this mean that naruto should have the ability to use water and wind jitsus? Since his mom came from the whirlpool village?

Raimaru
August 24, 2007, 05:39 PM
I think so too. I already predicted water to be Naruto's 2nd element months ago.

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 05:43 PM
Wouldn't this mean that naruto should have the ability to use water and wind jitsus? Since his mom came from the whirlpool village?

One could assume, as not only was Kushina from the whirlpool....her last name MEANT whirlpool...implying that she may have been from a founding, or prominent family.

Mind you, everyone from the land of fire hasn't shown a fire affinity, but the fire's most prominent clan was the uchiha which were all a fire leaning clan. The founder of the leaf was the first.....and he had a special combo which allowed him to grow trees...so thats likely where that name came from...

I'm rambling, but my point is....while Kushina being from the whirlpool doesn't necessarily mean she has a water affinity, it's certainly seems more likely than not.

otakuami
August 24, 2007, 05:45 PM
Sweet jesus! Naruto's parents! Well he didn't seem to come right out and say it but it's safe to assume the 4th is Naruto's father. I had a thought when someone mentioned Pein could be his uncle, Pein does have a water headband, and 'whirlpool' sounds like a village in the water country. Though I think, his mother died, either in childbirth or by the fighting going on. They just said Naruto was a new born so he could have been several days or weeks old by the time of the sealing. In addition, if I think he was given his mother's last name so people or himself wouldn't know his father or make the connection. He would have been like an honorable son or something. Moreover, I think Jiraiya's going to run into Pein and they're just going to duke it out or we'll learn even more about Naruto's history or Jiraiya's.

Also, Sasuke and Itachi, wow! Itachi looked shocked when Sasuke showed up behind him and I wonder why he changed locations...perhaps so he could tell him something or we're just over thinking this and they're just going fight until they can barely stand. On other note, has anybody noticed that when Itachi shows Sasuke how he killed the clan some of the bodies don't match up, especially his parents?

EliteBeatAgents
August 24, 2007, 05:46 PM
But seeing how naruto must of been from a clan then he should have the ability to use water jitsus.

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 05:49 PM
I think so too. I already predicted water to be Naruto's 2nd element months ago.

Wasn't a hard prediction, Water completes Naruto's set of skill's which negate/enhance Sasuke's.

Lightning is weakened by Wind

Fire is weakened by Water

Lightning is strengthened by Water

Fire is strengthened by Wind

Their abilities either cancel out, or strengthen the other.

They either work together, or destroy each other.

It has kishi written all over it.....its so obvious it's almost sickening.

allendsup23
August 24, 2007, 06:05 PM
I think this Akatsuki arc is gonna over soon But Naruto won't end.....we may have a new saga with ROOT and Kabutomaroo during which Naruto will become Hokage...This may happen after one more time skip where Naruto will advance to Jounin...it is just a thought though...

But so many things are getting revealed so quickly and has generated interest in manga again..wowwwwwwwww

lordHokage
August 24, 2007, 06:13 PM
On other note, has anybody noticed that when Itachi shows Sasuke how he killed the clan some of the bodies don't match up, especially his parents?

I agree. His parent’s bodies don’t match up, that's Itachi's smoking gun. I predict Itachi will not fight Sasuke at all, but drop a bombshell on him. The truth will finally be told on who actually killed the clan members. :o

heiky0711
August 24, 2007, 06:41 PM
Wouldn't this mean that naruto should have the ability to use water and wind jitsus? Since his mom came from the whirlpool village?

Possible. In fact, if you go back 10 - 15 chapters ago, Kakashi even told Naruto that he posses the wind and i think water chakra element whereas Sasuke is more towards the lightning and fire element.

Predictions: Jiraiya's infiltration in the rain village and encounter those two akatsukies. Then, a bit of Naruto and the leafs.


It all starting to make sense and Naruto really looks like Yondy except with the whiskers on him. In the long term, two family reunions for both sasuke and naruto. But, first is obviusly Sasuke's reunion with his brother. I've got a feeling that we might know the Uchiha's clan shameful past with first tobi (madara) and now the uchiha's hideout. It might link to the fact on why Itachi can't stand with the uchiha clan which cause THAT massacre on THAT very DAY!

I just can't wait for all these :)

bigtymer32
August 24, 2007, 07:07 PM
i think pein and Jiraiya confront each other next chapter. itachi and sasuke finally discuss what happened to the clan. theres gonna be some crazy twist like bh is narutos mom .should be a good chapter

macherie
August 24, 2007, 07:07 PM
I have a feeling that, for the next chapter or the chapters to come, Jiraiya will discover something massive but just before he is able to report or he uncovers it, he is killed. =[ i dont want him to die :'(

kurinmoka
August 24, 2007, 07:10 PM
itachi trying to lure sasuke into uchiha hideout.. what is this hide out that mike be uncovered? this will be the end of the cursed eyes? and no doubt tobi will be there too... if tobi is there then some ritual may actually took place in the hideout. maybe ritual to transform into uchiha or releasing uchiha power... may look interesting... cant wait..

finally the pervert is fighting the real 1.. but i don't think jiraiya will be killed just like that.. pein may look someone very powerfull but jiraiya not bad too..
[hr]
come on guys.. have some faith in jiraiya the pervert. this manga still need a pervert to cheer us up right... lol

Chill0
August 24, 2007, 07:18 PM
ok i have this thought and i would like to know what you guys think about it.

Now that we know the names of the parents of naruto they should at least have some meaning to the story and off course we search for someone who could actually fit this role. the only mysterious motherly figure is the blue girl from akatsuki. the only problem id their personalities and looks dont match up :P (read hair and ''manly'' altough it was said she grew to be a nice looking girl). actually at this point we think it might just be some random person still to be revealed, but we know from ero senin that he has a contact in akatsuki. and although theres not much proof for it naruto's mom could've changed all those aspects of her to infiltrate akatsuki (different personality and looks, for one itachi and orochimaru could've recognized her). Also it seems the perfect place to be for a mother which son is a jinchuriki.

i know it might be a little soon for something like this but i would like to hear peoples thought about it.

allendsup23
August 24, 2007, 07:36 PM
I have a feeling that, for the next chapter or the chapters to come, Jiraiya will discover something massive but just before he is able to report or he uncovers it, he is killed. =[ i dont want him to die :'(
It does not seem like Jiraiya will go down so easily but who knows...never expected Orochimaru to be defeated in just 2 chapters ...but one thing is for sure Manga is back with a bang :-)

cinamax
August 24, 2007, 08:33 PM
After Akatsuki arc, it's pretty obvious Root will take over Konoha via a coup or some villainy. Then Kakashi, Naruto, et al. will be exiled and become missing nins. Then this will really get interesting.

Ichigo
August 24, 2007, 08:34 PM
Yes i predict Sai will play a bigger and more important role, eh, Axelcross??

bentzi87
August 24, 2007, 08:36 PM
Here's a few ideas:

1) Jiraya will fight both pein and the girl then tsunade will come help them and when they get back to konoha "roots" will be in charge

2) Tobi is actually obito!!!! the eye even matches!!

3) Kakashi will be the 6th hokage

4) Itachi told naruto to go to the uchiha's hideout

5) Itachi wont kill sasuke, in fact he will let him win (sort of)

And eventually all the sanin will be dead (it started with orochimaru) but if jiraya will die it wont be in vain!!

mrcongojack
August 24, 2007, 09:49 PM
My Prediction:

1. Jiraiya's fight starts with Pein
2. Sasuke and Itachi fight some more. Itachi will probably say that Sasuke still isn't strong enough and Sasuke will then say something like "I'll prove to you that I am...."

maximxuk
August 24, 2007, 09:57 PM
Does anyone remember the true purpose of the Uchiha clan that was never revealed in the manga and anime, when Itachi killed the whole clan and told Sasuke to go to the hidden Uchiha temple?? Does anyone think the purpose will finally be revealed?

QMark
August 24, 2007, 10:02 PM
There are a few ways to explain why Naruto got the surname Uzumaki. For one, his mother could have been the last of her clan and wanted to carry on the name when he was born. The most logical one though is that he was named in memory of her and what she died for. Naruto had to been given the seal at birth, thus his mother would have had to die in the process. The process of sealing it could be similar to an extraction in which the median has to die. In the case of a Jinchuuriki, the median is the host of the Bijuu. In this case, the median would be the mother with child.

Anywho, I loved this chapter but now Kishi has got me wanting more.

EliteBeatAgents
August 24, 2007, 10:23 PM
I think itachi told naruto to meet him at the uchiha's hideout so Pein can meet up there and get naruto.I also think that the only reason why itachi told sasuke to meet him there is because tobi must be waiting for sasuke to come so he can kill him. Thus killing two birds with one stone.

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 10:34 PM
There are a few ways to explain why Naruto got the surname Uzumaki. For one, his mother could have been the last of her clan and wanted to carry on the name when he was born. The most logical one though is that he was named in memory of her and what she died for. Naruto had to been given the seal at birth, thus his mother would have had to die in the process. The process of sealing it could be similar to an extraction in which the median has to die. In the case of a Jinchuuriki, the median is the host of the Bijuu. In this case, the median would be the mother with child.

Anywho, I loved this chapter but now Kishi has got me wanting more.

The 4th already had to die to complete the seal. Naruto's mom dying too seems a bit cheap...if shes dead it should be for another reason.
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I think itachi told naruto to meet him at the uchiha's hideout so Pein can meet up there and get naruto.I also think that the only reason why itachi told sasuke to meet him there is because tobi must be waiting for sasuke to come so he can kill him. Thus killing two birds with one stone.

Itachi's manipulated farrrr too many people for weak ass reasons......He's just too good of a ninja for all of these excuses, if he wanted Naruto caught and Sasuke dead he could have done both by now..easy. No need to make thing more simple by manipulating them into the same location.

RoundMidnight
August 24, 2007, 10:57 PM
As much as I hate to say it, Jiraiya is dead.

Recall a few chapters back (I can't remember which any more) Jiraiya says that there's only so much the old guys can do. Add to that Pain's Associate saying that he's never lost a fight and you have what seems to follow the Kishi setup.

I hope at least he gets a great death in a fight worthy of his great status as a character.

otakuami
August 24, 2007, 11:02 PM
Now that we know the names of the parents of naruto they should at least have some meaning to the story and off course we search for someone who could actually fit this role. the only mysterious motherly figure is the blue girl from akatsuki. the only problem is their personalities and looks dont match up :P (red hair and ''manly'' altough it was said she grew to be a nice looking girl). actually at this point we think it might just be some random person still to be revealed, but we know from ero senin that he has a contact in akatsuki. and although theres not much proof for it naruto's mom could've changed all those aspects of her to infiltrate akatsuki (different personality and looks, for one itachi and orochimaru could've recognized her). Also it seems the perfect place to be for a mother which son is a jinchuriki.


The only problem with that is she would be condemning her son to death and she didn't sound like the type to do...plus does anybody notice she sounds a bit like Sakura...plus where Naruto isn't like the 4th Sakura is...another instance of history reporting itself maybe...:amuse

segua
August 24, 2007, 11:10 PM
As much as I hate to say it, Jiraiya is dead.

Recall a few chapters back (I can't remember which any more) Jiraiya says that there's only so much the old guys can do. Add to that Pain's Associate saying that he's never lost a fight and you have what seems to follow the Kishi setup.

I hope at least he gets a great death in a fight worthy of his great status as a character.

Well, it could turn out to be Pein's first lost but Tobi might intervene and finish Jiraiya. But you know, I think that another bomb shell would be dropped within the next chapters.

otakuami
August 24, 2007, 11:10 PM
The 4th already had to die to complete the seal. Naruto's mom dying too seems a bit cheap...if shes dead it should be for another reason.
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Itachi's manipulated farrrr too many people for weak ass reasons......He's just too good of a ninja for all of these excuses, if he wanted Naruto caught and Sasuke dead he could have done both by now..easy. No need to make thing more simple by manipulating them into the same location.
I think I agree with you if I'm understanding you correctly. Naruto looked like he was sealed after he was born unlike Gaara, I think his mother died from another cause and as for his last name, if they weren't married that could be a big reason why or only a few people knew Naruto's father's identity and they wanted to keep it a secret. Cause think about it, if the whole village knew they probably wouldn't have treated him so bad...he probably would have been treated more like Konohamaru is.

Superlag
August 24, 2007, 11:22 PM
What if Pein was Jiraiya's Son? they both have piercings right? they both have pointy hair & in the manga 367, Jiraiya said something like "If he'd been my son, I'd have bragged about him all the time." thats why Jiraiya had to go to confront Pein because he is he's son. He can't brag about his son because he's son is akatsuki:blink

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 11:25 PM
The only problem with that is she would be condemning her son to death and she didn't sound like the type to do...plus does anybody notice she sounds a bit like Sakura...plus where Naruto isn't like the 4th Sakura is...another instance of history reporting itself maybe...:amuse

How is Sakura like the 4th? Until recently she was the definition of "average" ninja. Brainy yes. but not in such a way the helped her in the field...much.

segua
August 24, 2007, 11:26 PM
Well, old Toad Sage said he's also childless.

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 11:28 PM
What if Pein was Jiraiya's Son? they both have piercings right? they both have pointy hair & in the manga 367, Jiraiya said something like "If he'd been my son, I'd have bragged about him all the time." thats why Jiraiya had to go to confront Pein because he is he's son. He can't brag about his son because he's son is akatsuki:blink

Right b4 that the says "I never had kids of my own but..."
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Well, old Toad Sage said he's also childless.

QFT

otakuami
August 24, 2007, 11:28 PM
What if Pein was Jiraiya's Son? they both have piercings right? they both have pointy hair & in the manga 367, Jiraiya said something like "If he'd been my son, I'd have bragged about him all the time." thats why Jiraiya had to go to confront Pein because he is he's son. He can't brag about his son because he's son is akatsuki:blink

But he also said he didn't have any children and I don't recall seeing Jiraiya having any 'piercings' except for maybe that dot on his nose that the anime drew as a mole. :amuse

Ukun
August 24, 2007, 11:36 PM
actually at this point we think it might just be some random person still to be revealed, but we know from ero senin that he has a contact in akatsuki. and although theres not much proof for it naruto's mom could've changed all those aspects of her to infiltrate akatsuki (different personality and looks, for one itachi and orochimaru could've recognized her).

Where exactly did he say he has a contact in Akatsuki? Unless it's BH or they've added more members, there is no one else. If anything it would have to be someone who's associated with them, like the guy Suigetsu interrogted. Still though, I don't remember him saying he has a contact in Akatsuki.

On another not, Kishi probably hasn't told us BH's name exactly for the reason that we'd suspect her as Naruto's mother. It's funny though, becaue Pein resembled Minato is some ways.

As for my prediction, I believe that it's mostly going to revolve around Hebi and Leaf and them going to the Uchiha Hideout. I'm sure Kakashi knows where it is, seeing as he was in anbu at some point. It will probably touch briefly on either Jiraiya/Pein & BH or Itachi and Kisame.


What if Pein was Jiraiya's Son? they both have piercings right? they both have pointy hair & in the manga 367, Jiraiya said something like "If he'd been my son, I'd have bragged about him all the time." thats why Jiraiya had to go to confront Pein because he is he's son. He can't brag about his son because he's son is akatsuki:blink

Everyone in every anime series has 'pointy hair'...Anyway, One, Jiraiya said he had no children, and two, he was refering to Minato (Yondaime), hence why he said he almost considers Naruto his grandson.

otakuami
August 24, 2007, 11:36 PM
How is Sakura like the 4th? Until recently she was the definition of "average" ninja. Brainy yes. but not in such a way the helped her in the field...much.

Well as of now she is quite a lot like the 4th, and the 15 year old Sakura was who I was referring to, though she did express moments of braininess that was on par with Kakashi and her chakra control was awesome from the get go...and I think some where down the line Kakashi said something about her being able to learn things at fast rate similar to Sasuke. But back to my point if you read vol. 28 or 29(where you get Kaka's history) she's like the 4th in that they're both rather quiet, reserved most of the time, genis level and quite the fighter. Plus it'd be silly to compair 15 year old Sakura to the 20 something 4th Hokage you have to scale him back in your mind a bit. ;)

Ikasu
August 24, 2007, 11:44 PM
Wasn't a hard prediction, Water completes Naruto's set of skill's which negate/enhance Sasuke's.

Lightning is weakened by Wind

Fire is weakened by Water

Lightning is strengthened by Water

Fire is strengthened by Wind

Their abilities either cancel out, or strengthen the other.

They either work together, or destroy each other.

It has kishi written all over it.....its so obvious it's almost sickening.

I don't know if anyone said it but you are actually off on your chart. In the narutoverse..

Water is superior to fire, fire is superior to wind, wind is superior to lighting, lightning is superior to earth, and earth is superior to fire...

So to speak. If naruto does learn a 2nd element and it is water. He will have 2 elements that gain power from sasuke..compared to sasukes single.

Water would be beat sasukes fire, wind would beat sasukes lightning..

Sasukes fire would beat narutos wind....But Sasukes lightning would have no effect on any of the others...Lightning is superior to earth...not water.....

Although in theory if you think about it lightning would benefit from taking on water...If a shinobi is spitting the water via his mouth...Lightning in theory would travel up to his lips if the water is his by a lightning jutsu...lol..But considering the charts...I bet a equal power lightning jutsu to a equal power water would just end up canceling eachother out or something...Or who knows...maybe it will actually have a lightning positive impact which would throw that whole chart out of whack..lol.

But onto the prediction. I think jiraiya is either off to his death or a near death experience. I believe there will be something very important spoken between Jiraiya and his pursuers.

Regarding naruto...Good to see it's finally been said. Although I'd like the idea of both naruto's parents being deceased...His mother might still be alive...But not sure just yet. I kinda get the feeling that naruto's mother was probably related to the founders of the whirlpool country. With somewhat of a love affair with the fourth. It would explain why they weren't married and naruto has his mothers maiden name. If she is royalty maybe it was considering blasphemous for her to be with a leaf ninja?..Who knows. But I'm beginning to like the idea..It can also explain the predicament as well. But considering how tsunade speaks about her...Seems like they knew her for quite some time. So who knows..maybe it has some backing to it or maybe not.

I'm really curious on what's going to happen between Itachi and Sasuke...but more importantly between Itachi and Naruto. really curious on what he has to tell him. I'm beginning to think everything is tied together. How Itachi knew that sasuke wasn't dead..As well as the fact he went silent when he was told deidara took out sasuke...and that a burden was lifted from Itachi's shoulders. Something big is gonna be revealed in the upcoming chapters. But I don't know what...

But yea...tough situation...so much around the corner..Really hard to make a prediction. We got jiraiya's possible death thanks to some foreshadowing and emotional moments between tsunade and jiraiya. We also have the revealing of narutos parents. One who is a from a water village and it just happens Jiraiya is on his way to one. Itachi wants to say something to naruto...And Itachi wants to meet sasuke at the uchiha hideout to "end this"...So much coming it's a headache to figure out..lol..

Monkeyshank
August 24, 2007, 11:48 PM
First post!!!!!!!!

I have been reading these forums for months now and am about to burst so here it goes

1. Naruto shippuden translates to naruto the hurricane chronicles so with the addition of water affinity to narutos wind you get: wind+water=hurricane/whirlpool, and whirlpool is his mothers home village.

2. tsunade refenceing narutos mother becoming a beautiful woman implies tsunade witnessed he grow up possibly in the leaf village, so she might be a refuge who grew up with the fourth possibly even was on his traning squad taught by the jiraya

3. If she is a refuge it is possible pein (her bother, yes an assumption) wants revenge on konoha and all villages for the wars that they caused his family to be divided and seeks to end their existance..... through Ak master paln. Also I belive narutos mom died before he found her again.

4. Well this is for everyone who is in denial that Tobi=Obito.......... Tobi will intervine to save the leaf due to his connection to kakashi, the uchia, and his teachers son Naruto.... also I believe tobi is like gollem from lotr where hes has two personalities.

5. the craziest one so far. We all know the uchias are dead but sauske only witnessed his brother kill his parents, I belive he was forced to join AK and it was by the threat of his families extiction and his parrents were mind controlled into killing the clan so itachi put them out of thier misery, and sauake was sparred for insurance

6. ok that last one was horrible but I also think that maybe itachi killed all the uchias to try to prevent the reemergence of madara, and left sauske alive to kill him incase he was the one who was possesed by/the rincarnation of madara, but unbeknownst to itachi obito was saved from death possibly before itachis birth by the power of madara

Ok i know my spelling is not perfect but in conversation with my friends my out landish theories have a 50/50 sucess rate case in point two weeks ago I perdicted narutos mother was not from konoha and most likely a water village

ANBU4U
August 24, 2007, 11:56 PM
Well as of now she is quite a lot like the 4th, and the 15 year old Sakura was who I was referring to, though she did express moments of braininess that was on par with Kakashi and her chakra control was awesome from the get go...and I think some where down the line Kakashi said something about her being able to learn things at fast rate similar to Sasuke. But back to my point if you read vol. 28 or 29(where you get Kaka's history) she's like the 4th in that they're both rather quiet, reserved most of the time, genis level and quite the fighter. Plus it'd be silly to compair 15 year old Sakura to the 20 something 4th Hokage you have to scale him back in your mind a bit. ;)

I was scaling them back.

The 4th was the full package out of the gate. He had skill, talent, guts, and DRIVE.

Think Sasuke, and naruto mixed......then throw in someone more talented than them both. At least thats the image Jairiya gives off.

But Sakura? She's smart yes...but we've never seen anything to suggest above average tactical intelligence. She was just brainy is all....which I'm sure helped with the med jutsu, that and her chakra control....

Look, im not saying Sakura wasn't a great ninja coming out of the academy, she was...and shes still great now. But she wasn't what you'd call an early prodigy. Like Sasuke and Naruto she was good at some things and had to improve in other areas. The 4th, just had it all from the start.

Thats why She (and Naruto) dont compare.
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I don't know if anyone said it but you are actually off on your chart. In the narutoverse..

Water is superior to fire, fire is superior to wind, wind is superior to lighting, lightning is superior to earth, and earth is superior to fire...

So to speak. If naruto does learn a 2nd element and it is water. He will have 2 elements that gain power from sasuke..compared to sasukes single.

Water would be beat sasukes fire, wind would beat sasukes lightning..

Sasukes fire would beat narutos wind....But Sasukes lightning would have no effect on any of the others...Lightning is superior to earth...not water.....

Although in theory if you think about it lightning would benefit from taking on water...If a shinobi is spitting the water via his mouth...Lightning in theory would travel up to his lips if the water is his by a lightning jutsu...lol..But considering the charts...I bet a equal power lightning jutsu to a equal power water would just end up canceling eachother out or something...Or who knows...maybe it will actually have a lightning positive impact which would throw that whole chart out of whack..lol.

But onto the prediction. I think jiraiya is either off to his death or a near death experience. I believe there will be something very important spoken between Jiraiya and his pursuers.

Regarding naruto...Good to see it's finally been said. Although I'd like the idea of both naruto's parents being deceased...His mother might still be alive...But not sure just yet. I kinda get the feeling that naruto's mother was probably related to the founders of the whirlpool country. With somewhat of a love affair with the fourth. It would explain why they weren't married and naruto has his mothers maiden name. If she is royalty maybe it was considering blasphemous for her to be with a leaf ninja?..Who knows. But I'm beginning to like the idea..It can also explain the predicament as well. But considering how tsunade speaks about her...Seems like they knew her for quite some time. So who knows..maybe it has some backing to it or maybe not.

I'm really curious on what's going to happen between Itachi and Sasuke...but more importantly between Itachi and Naruto. really curious on what he has to tell him. I'm beginning to think everything is tied together. How Itachi knew that sasuke wasn't dead..As well as the fact he went silent when he was told deidara took out sasuke...and that a burden was lifted from Itachi's shoulders. Something big is gonna be revealed in the upcoming chapters. But I don't know what...

But yea...tough situation...so much around the corner..Really hard to make a prediction. We got jiraiya's possible death thanks to some foreshadowing and emotional moments between tsunade and jiraiya. We also have the revealing of narutos parents. One who is a from a water village and it just happens Jiraiya is on his way to one. Itachi wants to say something to naruto...And Itachi wants to meet sasuke at the uchiha hideout to "end this"...So much coming it's a headache to figure out..lol..

I realized this, but given the Natue of the elements I still this what I said is true. I just dont see how it cant be the case. just because water isnt WEAK to lightning doesn't necessarily mean it doesnt aid it.

Ikasu
August 25, 2007, 12:04 AM
I was scaling them back.

The 4th was the full package out of the gate. He had skill, talent, guts, and DRIVE.

Think Sasuke, and naruto mixed......with someone more talented that them both. At least thats the image Jairiya gives off.

But Sakura? She's smart...but we've never seen anything to suggest above average tactical brains. She was just brainy is all....which I'm sure helped with the med jutsu, that in the chakra control....

Look, im not saying Sakura wasn't a great ninja coming out of the academy...and shes still great now. But she wasn't what you'd call an early prodigy. Like Sasuke and Naruto she was good at some things and and to improve in other areas. The 4th, just had it all from the start.

Thats why She (and Naruto) dont compare.
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I realized this, but given the Natue of the elements I still this what I said is true. I just dont see how it cant be the case. just because water isnt WEAK to lightning doesn't necessarily mean it doesnt aid it.

Yea I totally agree. In natural thinking Water and Lightning would work together...It could end up being positive or negative based on the situation they are being applied. But yea...Just wanted to point out regarding the chart Yamato explained.

I really thought Lightning would be weak against Earth..since it's basically grounding the lightning...But damn narutoverse through natural thinking out the window...lol

Regarding Sakura...I agree. If it wasn't for the fifth she would still be progressing rather slowly. But I'm curious on how long this naruto series is going to run. Kishimoto did say he wants to finish the series. But I think there may be another Naruto series afterwards..He just wants to finish this one up? Afterall..He was a big fan of Akira Toriyama's DB/DBZ.....We already have a next gen time skip though...But considering this circumstances..

We have Orochimaru still alive...Sakura is stated to be a Genjutsu type yet has no genjutsu in her arsenal yet. I doubt we've seen naruto progress far enough for the series to end...He still ahs to learn another element imo.

Overall it's confusing..Kishi floods us with a RUSH of information which is a good and bad thing. But yet he leaves all these other tasks unfinished and keeps orochimaru alive...If DB I heard was around 500 chapters or so?..calculated out it would be about 3 more years for naruto to hit that mark..Not saying it will be that long...But who knows how long it will end up being..But somethings fishy...Either Kishi is going to rush it which is kinda sad...I really hope it doesn't feel like a rush patch job ending...Or...There might be another time skip in the future or something unexpected?..

otakuami
August 25, 2007, 12:07 AM
I was scaling them back.

The 4th was the full package out of the gate. He had skill, talent, guts, and DRIVE.

Think Sasuke, and naruto mixed......with someone more talented that them both. At least thats the image Jairiya gives off.

But Sakura? She's smart...but we've never seen anything to suggest above average tactical brains. She was just brainy is all....which I'm sure helped with the med jutsu, that in the chakra control....

Look, im not saying Sakura wasn't a great ninja coming out of the academy...and shes still great now. But she wasn't what you'd call an early prodigy. Like Sasuke and Naruto she was good at some things and and to improve in other areas. The 4th, just had it all from the start.

Thats why She (and Naruto) dont compare.
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Well actually I didn't say she was 100% like him, I said she seems to be a mix of the two...having some of the qualities of the 4th that naruto seems to lack. They're like his parent's...remixed.

QMark
August 25, 2007, 12:08 AM
The 4th already had to die to complete the seal. Naruto's mom dying too seems a bit cheap...if shes dead it should be for another reason.
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Itachi's manipulated farrrr too many people for weak ass reasons......He's just too good of a ninja for all of these excuses, if he wanted Naruto caught and Sasuke dead he could have done both by now..easy. No need to make thing more simple by manipulating them into the same location.

Of course the 4th had to die to complete the seal. But from what we have seen, Naruto's seal is different from any other Jinchuuriki's. Mainly because his chakra is intertwined with the Kyuubi's. One possibility is that the seal required 2 sacrifices. Another is just that his mother died while giving birth to Naruto. I'm merely explaining the reasons why he took the surname of Uzumaki instead of Namikaze. Besides, his mother could not have died too long before that for logical reasons. The main one being Naruto was a newborn.

Monkeyshank
August 25, 2007, 12:16 AM
What if naruto was not named until after yondys death, and the vllage elders along with his mother decided naruto should growup in his father home town where he can be protected but have the mothers name to avoid other villages seeking either revenge or the rumors of the kyubis defeat by yondy

klitzblitz
August 25, 2007, 12:24 AM
Maybe Naruto will be the one who'll revive his mother's clan and become hokage of whirlpool in the near future.

Eldanis
August 25, 2007, 12:28 AM
Hrm, i think the next chapter or so is going to be a dialogue chapter. So much information to get through in such a short time so it has to happen or it may end with a small bit of combat.

Sasuke has to travel to the hideout, Jiraiya has to get caught by Pain/BH. With Naruto having the Akatsuki book in his posession, I believe that he may read some of it next chapter since he is unable to find Sasuke. If Pain is related to Naruto on his mother's side then theoretically his family name should be Uzumaki which will probably send Naruto into overdrive. Possibly causing him to charge to the Rain country.

Well, I must say that it is also good to see Naruto's past finally out in the open (I will admit, i was one of the non believers that Namikaze Minato (good feels awesome to know his name) was his father. His mum, I believe that she is either dead or possibly a POW. I also believe that the Whirlpool country no longer exists. Jiraiya talks about "the former whirlpool country" which makes me believe that the whirlpool ninja have spread everywhere, hence why naruto's mother was in konoha

otakuami
August 25, 2007, 12:33 AM
Maybe Naruto will be the one who'll revive his mother's clan and become hokage of whirlpool in the near future.

Um, we don't know if she was part of a clan and there seems to be only one kage per country not village...meaning there is probably already a Mizukage.

klitzblitz
August 25, 2007, 12:44 AM
Um, we don't know if she was part of a clan and there seems to be only one kage per country not village...meaning there is probably already a Mizukage.

What i mean there's a possibility he can be a Hokage outside Leaf, now that we know his mother's origin.

ANBU4U
August 25, 2007, 01:19 AM
Well actually I didn't say she was 100% like him, I said she seems to be a mix of the two...having some of the qualities of the 4th that naruto seems to lack. They're like his parent's...remixed.

Cant that be said of any talented shinobi?
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What if naruto was not named until after yondys death, and the vllage elders along with his mother decided naruto should growup in his father home town where he can be protected but have the mothers name to avoid other villages seeking either revenge or the rumors of the kyubis defeat by yondy

I dont see why this wouldnt have been done to protect the other kage's family members as well. How was the 4th the only one with enemies?

Konohamaru, Tsunade, Asuma, and even the Sand Siblings. None of their kage fathers bothered to change their names...certainly they had enemies to?
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Maybe Naruto will be the one who'll revive his mother's clan and become hokage of whirlpool in the near future.

He wouldn't leave Konoha.

And the whirlpool doesn't even exist anymore it seems.
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Hrm, i think the next chapter or so is going to be a dialogue chapter. So much information to get through in such a short time so it has to happen or it may end with a small bit of combat.

Sasuke has to travel to the hideout, Jiraiya has to get caught by Pain/BH. With Naruto having the Akatsuki book in his posession, I believe that he may read some of it next chapter since he is unable to find Sasuke. If Pain is related to Naruto on his mother's side then theoretically his family name should be Uzumaki which will probably send Naruto into overdrive. Possibly causing him to charge to the Rain country.

Well, I must say that it is also good to see Naruto's past finally out in the open (I will admit, i was one of the non believers that Namikaze Minato (good feels awesome to know his name) was his father. His mum, I believe that she is either dead or possibly a POW. I also believe that the Whirlpool country no longer exists. Jiraiya talks about "the former whirlpool country" which makes me believe that the whirlpool ninja have spread everywhere, hence why naruto's mother was in konoha

If Pein resembles Naruto, and consequently Minato, why would he be related to Kushina? Just because his hair is a secondary color of red? The same can be said of Sakura....its a weak argument.
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Um, we don't know if she was part of a clan and there seems to be only one kage per country not village...meaning there is probably already a Mizukage.

The Waterfall doesn't have to be in the water country.
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What i mean there's a possibility he can be a Hokage outside Leaf, now that we know his mother's origin.

a "kage" you mean. By definition a HOkage has to be from the leaf.

voidyou17
August 25, 2007, 01:28 AM
I dont see why this wouldnt have been done to protect the other kage's family members as well. How was the 4th the only one with enemies?

Konohamaru, Tsunade, Asuma, and even the Sand Siblings. None of their kage fathers bothered to change their names...certainly they had enemies to?



its very simple. because Naruto has the Kyuubi locked inside of him. We know that in the past villages used them for war. Why would Konoha openly advertise their jinchuriki? They made a valiant effort to keep it a secret from the younger generation by forbidding it from being talked about so why not go a step further and change his name.

Garra and the sand have nothing to do with it. Different country different laws.

ANBU4U
August 25, 2007, 01:43 AM
its very simple. because Naruto has the Kyuubi locked inside of him. We know that in the past villages used them for war. Why would Konoha openly advertise their jinchuriki? They made a valiant effort to keep it a secret from the younger generation by forbidding it from being talked about so why not go a step further and change his name.

Garra and the sand have nothing to do with it. Different country different laws.

And yet his status as a jinchuriki was common knowledge amung all the shinobi 20 and up...like HALF the village? A secret that poorly kept inst worth a name change...anyone who WANTED to know who the 9-tails host was would obviously find out. Hints akatsuki.....and lets not even forget the casualy spies each major country is bound to have in the others...

I'll admit it COULD be the reason, but it seems fairly dramatic for a plan that the 4th HAD to know wouldn't work in any sense.

As for preventing war...no reason to hide the fact that they had one...its a deterrent. Clearly every major country had one...so Konoah having one shouldn't have caused a riot........its like HIDING the fact that you have working nukes.....no one would dare attack you for fear of retaliation. In fact, I dare say a major country like Konoah would have been expected to have one....

All off these Kyuubi and protection theories are full of gaping holes.

maideth
August 25, 2007, 02:19 AM
i just don't understand where do this whirpool village was? water country? wind country?

maxhrk
August 25, 2007, 02:48 AM
i just don't understand where do this whirpool village was? water country? wind country?

whirlpool village in whirlpool country.

they are minor country than other known major countries i think...

Last i check Whirlpool's presence were known since first part... but if Jariya said that it is former now... which mean it might have disappeared inbetween part one and two. (probably due to Rain Country.)

Only Whirlpool shinobi have been seen in Filler in Naruto's anime. Not in manga i think of. Not sure though.

I guess i would have to dig everything in manga to find out any hint regards Whirlpool... possible best to find them are in Chuunin Exam... Not sure.


Prediction for next chapter: Jariya realizes who akatsuki leader is.. but will not die in next chapter... probably next two chapter. (like orochimaru died in only two chapters too!)

tobz
August 25, 2007, 03:26 AM
naruto---> sasuke
jaraiya---> Orochimaru
4th-------> pein, Akatsuki, tobi?????

i think the 4th and his wife ( im bad with names) died.

jaraiya will die naruto goes pissed kakashi tells him about his mother and fathher. teaches him a few techs of his father. then they will try to retreave jaraiyas body with the his whole year group.

heiky0711
August 25, 2007, 04:09 AM
Well, it could turn out to be Pein's first lost but Tobi might intervene and finish Jiraiya. But you know, I think that another bomb shell would be dropped within the next chapters.

Speaking about bombshell. I just had a slight thought that if Naruto may eventually confront Pein. And Pein revealed his/her true identity that (s)he's naruto's mom. Jiraiya described Naruto's mom as being boyish with red hair.

Ikasu
August 25, 2007, 04:21 AM
I don't know HOW or WHERE people are consideirng pein to be female..But it's truly insane. Pein is not female...sheesh..

It is true tsunade stated that naruto's mother was a tomboy..But stated she also grew beautiful as she got older. What the heck is beautiful about pein?...absolutely nothing.

zelllogan
August 25, 2007, 04:22 AM
I don't know HOW or WHERE people are consideirng pein to be female.


Speaking about bombshell. I just had a slight thought that if Naruto may eventually confront Pein. And Pein revealed his/her true identity that (s)he's naruto's mom. Jiraiya described Naruto's mom as being boyish with red hair.
THIS IS MY HYPOTHESISSSSSSSSSS :D. We have talked about the she/he possibility on the first page of this thread :) (but my first post on the first page was deleted because there was a bug/glitch).

Iwanin
August 25, 2007, 04:34 AM
Lemme break this post up into 1) damage control and 2) my own predictions.

1) Damage control.

Regardless of what you may have read in a certain translation, Jiraiya never implies Whirpool Country no longer exists. He says Naruto's mom was formerly of Whirlpool Country, not that there's "a former Whirlpool Country."

Also, "countries" and "villages" are different. Fire Country has "leaf village", but not all countries have ninja villages. What we know is that Naruto's mom was from "Whirlpool Country." We don't know if it had an entire village or just a few ninjas, nor can we know at this point what happened to it, or if it still exists.

2) Predictions

Not so much a prediction as some possibilities, which have already been discussed, but which look more likely now.

Pain and the Akatsuki girl may well be zombie versions of Naruto's parents, The Fourth and Kushina. I know their hair colors don't match, but hey, who says reanimated zombies need to keep the same hair color they had in life.

Madara's bossing them around, so he may have reanimated them through Edo Tensei...which would put them under his control.

So, it's a bit too much of a coincidence that we hear of Naruto's parents right before Jiraiya goes off to face two of the most mysterious characters in the series, a man and a woman, the man looking like a red haired version of the Fourth with beads.

Also, Jiraiya's gonna die in the encounter - that much has been heavily hinted at. It would be something of a waste to have him die at the hands of someone with no connection to him, and having him go on about how he loved the Fourth as a son is the perfect set up.

So maybe we're in for another shock in 368 or 69.

CheckMate
August 25, 2007, 05:13 AM
1. Pain is a man, and not the fourth. Not even a zombie. If it turns out to be one of those, I will voodoo'd Kishi to goods.

2. Jiraiya is losing his life. He is facing The Almighty Leader of Akatsuki. There is a chanve that he will be handicapped.

3. Why no one ever implied that Naruto is Yon's son? I agree some ppl said that there is no one directly asked about that matter. But still..why, oh why?
I hope it is because it is needed to remain secret, and not because the cheap "no one asked about it before"

Thanks. :p

Semiazas
August 25, 2007, 05:16 AM
Just my thoughts, some of them may already have been stated by other members:

I think people are seeing too many familial connections in this. I think that Naruto's mother may turn up later on, as opposed to already being around but not known as his mother. Someone mentioned that Kishi said it'd be three parts, others saying it may concern Root (which I'm so hoping it will), so perhaps she turns up then. Or is, in fact, dead anyhow.

As for Pein...it guess it could be a family thing, but I doubt it's anything too close or really random like Zombie Fourth or Shemale Uzumaki. Probably uncle.

On the Uchiha front...I think Itachi has something up his sleeve. Even psychopaths wouldn't kill all but one member of their clan. Maybe it was corrupt? I recall vaguely during a flash-back Sasuke had in the anime about his brother that Itachi had a small rant about the clan (though, my memory is bad so I could be wrong, plus it could've been anime only).

As for Naruto...having two chakras is something I'm hoping for, especially ones that complient and yet oppose Sasuke. I surely hope that peoples speculation about his heritage giving him water chakra is right.

Next chapter: Jiraiya face to face with Pein, but no actual fight. Naruto inexplicably breaks of from Leaf due to whst Itachi told him (though we might not be told what that was), Leaf try to follow but are intercepted by Hebi or, in an odd twist, Root.

My two pennys worth

PredatorNar
August 25, 2007, 05:47 AM
I'm pretty confident that Pein is Naruto's brother. Being his uncle is out of the question. He looks like Minato (4th) and has the hair of Naruto's mother.

Think of it like this. Minato and Kushina produced Naruto and Naruto has a distinct face. Now, Pein shows up and has the almost exact face as Naruto. That would imply Naruto and Pein were created from the same parents.

Naruto:
-4th's hair
-Kushina's demeanor
-**Pein and Naruto have same face**

Pein:
-Kushina's hair
-Probably Yondaime's demeanor
-**Pein and Naruto have the same face**

Anyway, if I had to give more guesses, I would say Pein and Naruto are twins. I mean, Itachi and Sasuke are brothers and they don't look exactly the same. They only look similar. Pein and Naruto, on the other hand, have the exact same face.

Most of you will reject the twin idea, but you probably will be doing it because YOU don't like the idea and not because it's not probable. We do not know Pein's age or how tall he is (he may be the same height as Naruto). All we know is that he's the Akatsuki leader. It may be possible that in addition to having Yondaime's demeanor, Pein was also a genius like Yondaime when he was young and he became really strong at a young age.

This, IMO, could set up a very interesting final match which would route back to Neji and Lee. But it will be between twin brothers. One has come to power by genius and natural talent (Pein) and the other has come to power by hard-work (Naruto).

***Btw, I want to talk about a comment I saw earlier. Someone said Jiraiya wouldn't die to someone that didn't have some sort of connection to him. My response is simply "Hidan and Asuma." Asuma died to Hidan and Hidan has absolutely no connection to Asuma.

Iwanin
August 25, 2007, 06:22 AM
Most of you will reject the twin idea, but you probably will be doing it because YOU don't like the idea and not because it's not probable. We do not know Pein's age or how tall he is (he may be the same height as Naruto). All we know is that he's the Akatsuki leader. It may be possible that in addition to having Yondaime's demeanor, Pein was also a genius like Yondaime when he was young and he became really strong at a young age.


I'd say Pain looks older than Naruto, but if they are around the same age, you may well be right.



***Btw, I want to talk about a comment I saw earlier. Someone said Jiraiya wouldn't die to someone that didn't have some sort of connection to him. My response is simply "Hidan and Asuma." Asuma died to Hidan and Hidan has absolutely no connection to Asuma.

I did. But not quite. I said it would be something of a waste if he were to die to someone to whom he had no connection, not that he wouldn't. My post merely commented on a possibility.

But then again, if Pain is Naruto's brother, we can't very well say there's no connection, now can we? :p

There is something about Pain not just looking like Naruto, but coincidentally having the same hair color as his mother.

The genius - hard worker thing you mention makes a lot of sense. After all, Naruto's going on and on about how he thinks of Sasuke as a brother. If Pain were Naruto's real brother, it would give both an extremely talented evil sibling. So the message would be something like how you feel about the person is more important than whether you're blood related or not.

Finally, consider the following: Kishi has a twin brother. I'm just saying... :p

nicole2daniell
August 25, 2007, 06:32 AM
i don't know if anyone have thought of this....

jiraiya is in an enemy strong hold....so my guess is he will die...but his death will serve to make naruto stronger...or crazier....whatever the case is.

we all know that when naruto get piss off really bad the demon fox chakra leak out. the more angry the more it leak out.

i don't really care who the father or mother is...all that say is what ability or who he look like most......he may wish he have a parent...but he is emotionally attach to jiraya cuse unlike his parent that isn't around..jiraya is.

right now jiraiya is by far the closes of a father...or grandfather figure he have. he died...naruto will most likely to snap. and who know what would happen if he does snap.

UzumakiRoman
August 25, 2007, 06:35 AM
i agree Naruto does need more jutsu and a broader range of ninjutsu as well!! i always thought he needed to improve his speed as well, being the 4th son(still have goose bumps)!!
and with the revelation of his mother, i think obvious next element for naruto should be water, and yamato should teach him!!

gphjr14
August 25, 2007, 07:11 AM
i just hope the fight between jiraiya and pein isn't too fast. maybe jiraiya has one more attack to show us b4 he dies. it'd be sad if they uses this opportunity to just show how strong pein is and kill jiraiya off in like two chapters

PredatorNar
August 25, 2007, 07:20 AM
I kinda think Pein is going to leave BH to take on Jiraiya. I mean, I don't think both of them have to fight Jiraiya and Pein does have a mission to complete.

In addition to my post, the reason I want Pein to be Naruto's brother is because it seems Pein has special eyes. Now if those eyes are genetic (Obviously from Kushina since Yondaime doesn't have those eyes), then maybe Naruto can attain those eyes as well. If it's a bloodline limit, then Naruto would seriously whip some arse!

gphjr14
August 25, 2007, 07:40 AM
that would be neat for naruto to have a bloodline limit but you think that with the kyuubi in him that naruto would've some how been able to discover it or at least the nine-tails would've discovered it. its not like he has anything else to do inside naruto

KyleUchiha
August 25, 2007, 07:53 AM
Speaking about bombshell. I just had a slight thought that if Naruto may eventually confront Pein. And Pein revealed his/her true identity that (s)he's naruto's mom. Jiraiya described Naruto's mom as being boyish with red hair.

I like to remind people that Pein has Orange hair. Kushina has Red hair. And Jiraiya said Naruto looked liked his father. Naruto and Kushina share a similar personality and ninjutsu style, not a similar appearance.


Moving on now..... with all the bombshells lately, I'm sure more are on their way. Obviously, they could come from the Itachi/Naruto conversation or the Jiraiya/Pein fight. Both events might share some new information with us, and who will be first to drop another bombshell? Probably both of them next week, in one chapter. Maybe Pein and Jiraiya begin their fight they talk, while Naruto and Itachi begin another conversation. It could be a flip of the coin as to who will shed more light on what is going on. Pein will probably elaborate their plans, as he might be confident that Jiraiya can't win.

And Itachi should be able to get back to Naruto pretty quick, considering how fast he moved from place to place last time, and he will continue their conversation of which, I believe, will lead to Itachi asking Naruto to go to the Uchiha hideout to meet with Sasuke. He might even be bold enough to tell Naruto that Sasuke will be there, as that might be the only way to get Naruto to go there without forcing him.

Speed Phantom
August 25, 2007, 08:17 AM
I think too, that Jiraiya will face Pein. But if they will fight.............don´t know.

Eldanis
August 25, 2007, 08:28 AM
I want Pein to be Naruto's brother is because it seems Pein has special eyes. Now if those eyes are genetic (Obviously from Kushina since Yondaime doesn't have those eyes), then maybe Naruto can attain those eyes as well. If it's a bloodline limit, then Naruto would seriously whip some arse!

If anyone else has special eyes in Naruto i may infact kill someone IRL

garpjr1188
August 25, 2007, 08:31 AM
I like to remind people that Pein has Orange hair. Kushina has Red hair. And Jiraiya said Naruto looked liked his father. Naruto and Kushina share a similar personality and ninjutsu style, not a similar appearance.


you know it is still possible..pein being a brother of naruto i mean...red and yellow(blonde) combined produces orange..;) simple color combination of two primary colors producing a secondary color..:D

Espada82
August 25, 2007, 08:36 AM
I like to remind people that Pein has Orange hair. Kushina has Red hair. And Jiraiya said Naruto looked liked his father. Naruto and Kushina share a similar personality and ninjutsu style, not a similar appearance.

I would like to remind YOU that Pein will be revealed as Naruto's brother, or otherwise close relative. Believe it. And remember that I said it when it is established to be so.

Eldanis
August 25, 2007, 08:39 AM
He says Naruto's mom was formerly of Whirlpool Country, not that there's "a former Whirlpool Country."




Jiraiya: "A female ninja of the former Whirlpool country"

He isn't stating that she is a former ninja of the country but rather that the country is no longer in existence.

VincentV
August 25, 2007, 08:41 AM
Who else thinks that BH is the sister of Kushina Uzumaki :) ?

Speed Phantom
August 25, 2007, 08:49 AM
Who else thinks that BH is the sister of Kushina Uzumaki :) ?

Ich nicht. ^^

I don´t think so, because Pein has blue hair. :)

Iwanin
August 25, 2007, 08:50 AM
Jiraiya: "A female ninja of the former Whirlpool country"

He isn't stating that she is a former ninja of the country but rather that the country is no longer in existence.

That's not quite what I meant.

See, I'm a translator, and I'm saying the translation which says "former Whirlpool country" is mistaken.

確か元渦の国のくノ一で。。。 is the line, and what it means is "Yeah, that Kunoichi formerly/originally of Whirlpool Country."

The translator made a mistake as to which element in the sentence 元, "originally", modifies.

That's what I believe, anyways (and I know for a fact that at least njt and Nihongaeri agree with me), but people are free to believe otherwise.

garpjr1188
August 25, 2007, 09:06 AM
Ich nicht. ^^

I don´t think so, because Pein has blue hair. :)

i dont quite get this statement? and pein has orange hair right? maybe you are reffing to BH girl?:blink

KyleUchiha
August 25, 2007, 09:26 AM
you know it is still possible..pein being a brother of naruto i mean...red and yellow(blonde) combined produces orange..;) simple color combination of two primary colors producing a secondary color..:D

Looking at my post, I am not saying Pein isn't related to Naruto, only that Pein is not his mother.




I would like to remind YOU that Pein will be revealed as Naruto's brother, or otherwise close relative. Believe it. And remember that I said it when it is established to be so.


And I like to remind YOU it hasn't been revealed. And its not like you are first to think of such a thing. Almost anyone would naturally first think they might related(but change their minds later on). There is a connection between Naruto and Pein, but whether or not they are blood related is still uncertain, no matter how much you think or want it to be true.

Espada82
August 25, 2007, 09:41 AM
Looking at my post, I am not saying Pein isn't related to Naruto, only that Pein is not his mother.

And I like to remind YOU it hasn't been revealed. And its not like you are first to think of such a thing. Almost anyone would naturally first think they might related(but change their minds later on). There is a connection between Naruto and Pein, but whether or not they are blood related is still uncertain, no matter how much you think or want it to be true.

Of course Pein isn't his mother, Pein is male....

Otherwise, yeah of course Pein and Naruto are related, its the most obvious hint Kishi has ever dropped aside from Yondaime being his father.

So really I dont think we need people to stand around and be skeptical and remind us it hasnt been revealed yet, obviously we are all throwing our predictions out there, and this one is easy to make. Its not about what i 'want" to be true its simply a matter that I have a brain that functions and the clues dropped so far are all to obviously pointing in this direction.

Don Lazy
August 25, 2007, 09:48 AM
perhaps pein is the narutos uncle

drakend
August 25, 2007, 09:49 AM
Ich nicht. ^^

I don´t think so, because Pein has blue hair. :)
BH isn't Pein but the Akatsuki girl... aside from that do you know you can dye your hair?


So really I dont think we need people to stand around and be skeptical and remind us it hasnt been revealed yet, obviously we are all throwing our predictions out there, and this one is easy to make. Its not about what i 'want" to be true its simply a matter that I have a brain that functions and the clues dropped so far are all to obviously pointing in this direction.
The hits you're talking about are only YOUR OWN INTERPRETATIONS of manga facts and someone different from you may have totally different interpretations. So even if you're basing your speculation on what you consider reasonable cluse it remains always speculation unless proven right or wrong in the manga.

Espada82
August 25, 2007, 09:59 AM
The hits you're talking about are only YOUR OWN INTERPRETATIONS of manga facts and someone different from you may have totally different interpretations. So even if you're basing your speculation on what you consider reasonable cluse it remains always speculation unless proven right or wrong in the manga.

I beleive I did say that we are all making PREDICTIONS, so I dont know why you are coming at me with this line of argument.

But in any case there is nothing subjective about this. Kishi has dropped very obvious hints, and forshadowings here and I dont think we need to treat this like a criminal investigation. This isnt the X Files, where Mulder comes up with some wild thoery and for balance sake Scully tries to refute them. Its just a manga, we dont need to play FBI agents in trying to figure this out.

segua
August 25, 2007, 10:12 AM
2) Predictions

Not so much a prediction as some possibilities, which have already been discussed, but which look more likely now.

Pain and the Akatsuki girl may well be zombie versions of Naruto's parents, The Fourth and Kushina. I know their hair colors don't match, but hey, who says reanimated zombies need to keep the same hair color they had in life.

Madara's bossing them around, so he may have reanimated them through Edo Tensei...which would put them under his control.


That's how I'm starting to see Pain and BH. They seemed pretty well behaved. Almost too well behaved. I'm thinking that it could be another form of resurrection in that they aren't just merely killing dolls but have their own sentience (I could very well be wrong on this part). We know that Tobi originated from Konoha so he must've been able to get his hands on their ashes.

I'm just waiting to see how all of this is going to turn out. I'm sure a few more bombs are going to be dropped.

I'm wondering if the Yondaime has ever lost to anyone also. Jiraiya would know this right off the bat.

I also loved what Ikasu did the picture of Pein in the 367 discussion.

otakuami
August 25, 2007, 10:21 AM
More likely to hide the identity of his father not the fact that he carried the 9 tails but they probably didn't count on him looking so much like the 4th or his parents weren't married...I think in this case we're just going to have to wait and see.

cyberlink2
August 25, 2007, 10:38 AM
R.I.P jiraiya
i think jiraiya will die because this will be a chance for kishimoto to show why the AL is AL

kadoman
August 25, 2007, 10:46 AM
All right, REMINDER to stay polite at all times thank you and not to get too heated when making predictions.

C'mon people, we should all know by now that everyone is entitled to their own speculations/opinions and no matter how improbable or outrageous some of them might seem, either accept it, or disagree with them without getting heavy handed about it.

As for my prediction, I can't even begin to guess where this is headed. I think events have never been more uncertain, but then, this is good; this makes for good discussion. I'll leave the Naruto side of things to you guys, but I am pretty confident that the Uchiha conflict will not resolve itself next chapter and that Itachi will surprise Sasuke with a revelation. Sorry to be so vague, but it's all I am capable of coming up with right now. I'm still getting over the excitement of seeing those two together again! :amuse

KyleUchiha
August 25, 2007, 10:49 AM
Of course Pein isn't his mother, Pein is male....

Otherwise, yeah of course Pein and Naruto are related, its the most obvious hint Kishi has ever dropped aside from Yondaime being his father.

So really I dont think we need people to stand around and be skeptical and remind us it hasnt been revealed yet, obviously we are all throwing our predictions out there, and this one is easy to make. Its not about what i 'want" to be true its simply a matter that I have a brain that functions and the clues dropped so far are all to obviously pointing in this direction.

Some posters before had suggested that Pain was a woman, and possibly his mother, so I was just pointing out something to them.

And that is the problem. It is obvious. Relying on the obvious can easily allow a person to be decieved.




I beleive I did say that we are all making PREDICTIONS, so I dont know why you are coming at me with this line of argument.

But in any case there is nothing subjective about this. Kishi has dropped very obvious hints, and forshadowings here and I dont think we need to treat this like a criminal investigation. This isnt the X Files, where Mulder comes up with some wild thoery and for balance sake Scully tries to refute them. Its just a manga, we dont need to play FBI agents in trying to figure this out.

No, you are not making a prediction. By saying it is obvious, and no need for skepticism, you are saying it is a fact.

And this may not be some criminal investigation, but there are questions within the manga that cannot be answered by taking every thing at face value. Like Tobi, for instance. It leads you to wonder what else is the author keeping from us.


Edit: And I would like to add that I don't mind a person believing these things, but please just don't state it as fact or obvious until the manga proves it is.

ANBU4U
August 25, 2007, 11:11 AM
whirlpool village in whirlpool country.

they are minor country than other known major countries i think...

Last i check Whirlpool's presence were known since first part... but if Jariya said that it is former now... which mean it might have disappeared inbetween part one and two. (probably due to Rain Country.)

Only Whirlpool shinobi have been seen in Filler in Naruto's anime. Not in manga i think of. Not sure though.

I guess i would have to dig everything in manga to find out any hint regards Whirlpool... possible best to find them are in Chuunin Exam... Not sure.


Prediction for next chapter: Jariya realizes who akatsuki leader is.. but will not die in next chapter... probably next two chapter. (like orochimaru died in only two chapters too!)

This chapter is the first chapter whirlpool has been introduced in, no ninja has hailed from their before.

PredatorNar
August 25, 2007, 11:23 AM
You know how some people say "just because two people look alike doesn't mean they are related" and then they mention Gai and Lee. Well, the difference here is that Naruto and Pein has the same friggin face. Gai and Lee look alike because Lee dresses like him on purpose. Lee's hair isn't naturally like Gai's hair, but Naruto's hair is natural and I doubt Pein would admire Naruto so much that he'd change his hairstyle to match Naruto's. So, I'm pretty sure Pein's hairstyle is also natural. And did I mention they have the same face?

I have a feeling the Pein vs Naruto feud will be fueled by jealousy (4th picking Naruto over Pein to put the Kyuubi in). That whole "maybe Pein is Naruto's uncle" isn't probable to me. I think if Pein is related in anyway to Naruto, it will be brothers. He resembles 4th (just like Naruto), but he has a hairstyle that would be produced with the help of Naruto's mother. Naruto got the 4th's hair color and Pein got a combination of Kushina and Minato's hair color.

I guarantee that once Jiraiya sees Pein (if he ever does; Pein might just send out BH to face Jiraiya), Jiraiya is gonna have a big look of shock on his face.

narutokuro
August 25, 2007, 11:23 AM
Next Chapter will be a hype of up issue. A lot of talking.

1) Naruto will read the atkatstuki book and will be shocked to learn...
2) Jiraiya will meet up with Pein by the end of the manga and will be shocked to learn...
3) The readers will be teased having to wait for another issue to find out that naruto and jiraiya has a brother that we all have assumed.
4) Root will get notice that Jiraiya has left and will make his move on taking control of Konoha
5) Ultimately Naruto and Sasuke will trade roles in respect to character. Itachi will die. Sasuke will find no real joy after killing his brother. After Jiraiya dies from Pien, Naruto will become vengence driven to kill his brother Pein, ultimately becoming like sasuke. Then sasuke will go on a rescue hunt look for a captured naruto.

Thats all i got.

ANBU4U
August 25, 2007, 11:27 AM
I would like to remind YOU that Pein will be revealed as Naruto's brother, or otherwise close relative. Believe it. And remember that I said it when it is established to be so.

I'd bet money that Pein has no blood relation to Kushina.

drakend
August 25, 2007, 11:50 AM
When I said that BH could be Uzumaki Kushina or someone related to her my idea was labeled as "too twisted"... well the idea of AL and BH being the zombie versions of Naruto's parents is even more twisted... :D

Espada82
August 25, 2007, 11:52 AM
And that is the problem. It is obvious. Relying on the obvious can easily allow a person to be decieved.Oh, so you mean like the way that Naruto obviously resembled Yondaime, and that Asuma resembled a young Sarutobi? You mean like those kind of obvious things that all turned out to be correct? Please don’t take this manga so seriously, it’s a kid’s comic book, not some mystery novel. If there are hints that characters are related, and strong resemblances between them the odds are very very good that there is a relation. Thats just a pattern of proven facts that have all begun to add up.





And this may not be some criminal investigation, but there are questions within the manga that cannot be answered by taking every thing at face value. Like Tobi, for instance. It leads you to wonder what else is the author keeping from us.


Edit: And I would like to add that I don't mind a person believing these things, but please just don't state it as fact or obvious until the manga proves it isPlease man. There have already been so many of these same types of questions regarding familial relations answered by taking these things at face value. All Im saying is whether anyone minds or not the strong hints have been made, the resemblance has been established and the pattern has already been put forth. Pein and Naruto have familial relation of some kind. I dont think we have to wait around for Kishi to spell it all out before we can draw these kind of reasonable conclusion.

Edit: I hope this is not considered rude, i reworded it for a softer tone.

tobz
August 25, 2007, 12:20 PM
bh lady being narutos mother would make sense too me!!! she is the only A member who we dont know the name of! :blink

matrice
August 25, 2007, 01:25 PM
I don't know what to think about the part of the dialogue that says that Naruto and his mother has similar jutsus... I mean, Naruto uses only the kage bunshin and the rasengan, which are both tecniques of the 4th hokage. Uzumaki Kushina should have had different jutsus if she truly came from the wirlpool country (maybe thay intended they that she was wind type too? I don't think thay are referring to the rasen shuriken, since the 4th should have been the only one who could use the rasengan, putting apart Jiraya and Kakashi, and he surely was the only one who began to use it with the nature manipulation -or at leat he began to try it out, but then he abandoned the project-).

bh lady being narutos mother would make sense too me!!! she is the only A member who we dont know the name of!

Impossible, I would say that she is as old Pein, and she doesn't seem old enough to be Naruto's mother (well, after all even Tsunade seems younger then his real age and so maybe my point wasn't good enough here).

PredatorNar
August 25, 2007, 01:37 PM
When has it been said that Yondaime used Kage Bunshin?

kheopz
August 25, 2007, 01:56 PM
Jiraya will not fight with Pein but someone else will. Remember that Pein has to capture the Kyuubi so fighting against Jiraya doesn't make much sense right now since it will delay them considerably. Remember that the Rain Village is under a civil war so if Jiraya needs protection he knows where to go. If Pein fights Jiraya he will not get out of it w/o a scratch and will be badly hurt that his hunt for the Kyuubi will be delayed which the Mandara will not accept any delays and searching for Naruto while being hurt will jeopardize his mission even more.

If Jiraya has to die it's in Konoha not anywhere else because I do predict that the Leaf will be under attack by either AK or the Root.

Jiraya might even get more information about Naruto's Parents while in the Rain Village but no way he is going to fight Jiraya. Sasuke is fighting Itachi in the next chapter and that's the next arc where the entire Hebi team goes against Itachi and Kisame.

Also notice a thing. Yondaime use special tag kunai's for his teleportation technique and Jiraya uses frogs.. That's a heck of a master and I bet he will pass that to Naruto.

voidyou17
August 25, 2007, 02:22 PM
Going at this a tad bit differently
My Prediction:

85% chance we see Team Hebi
70% chance Karin tries to hit on Sasuke
100% Sasuke ignores Karin
50/50 Suigetsu says something to Karin and she punches/kicks him

15% chance Itachi resumes his convo with Naruto
95% chance we see Naruto and co talking
5% chance Hinata speaks
but 100% chance if she does it will be "Naruto-kun" and she will blush

100% chance that the final page will be Jiraiya and Pein confronting one another

drakend
August 25, 2007, 02:31 PM
I don't know what to think about the part of the dialogue that says that Naruto and his mother has similar jutsus... I mean, Naruto uses only the kage bunshin and the rasengan, which are both tecniques of the 4th hokage. Uzumaki Kushina should have had different jutsus if she truly came from the wirlpool country (maybe thay intended they that she was wind type too? I don't think thay are referring to the rasen shuriken, since the 4th should have been the only one who could use the rasengan, putting apart Jiraya and Kakashi, and he surely was the only one who began to use it with the nature manipulation -or at leat he began to try it out, but then he abandoned the project-).

In my scanlation it's said that Naruto's jutsus have the same STYLE of his mother's ones, not that they are the same.

heeros_blood
August 25, 2007, 02:57 PM
In the end the real questions are:

1: Why did Naruto take his mothers last name when he was in his fathers custody ::if the mom had been around the 4th would have told HER to make sure Naruto was viewed as a hero, not the 3ed::

Yeah, that questions sticks to me too.. And as I came up with theories, heres one:

From the start, Konoha's people and shinobis hates Naruto, they view him as a monster. If they use Yondaime's (Namikaze) surname, people might misjudge the 4th and eventually hate him too for sealing the Kyuubi into Naruto instead of just killing it. So, instead they use the mother's (Uzumaki) surname, because it's not a recognized name in Konoha, since it's from another country. So, to sum it up, I think it's to protect Naruto, and also to protect Yondaime's reputation.

Well, just a hunch.. what do you think guys? :)

mizu172
August 25, 2007, 03:19 PM
aaa maybe pein is naruto's uncle xD just a random guess. like the one that karin's naruto's sister. I mean, red hair like naru's mom and the first letter of their name's are "K" xD llol

tobz
August 25, 2007, 03:34 PM
as stayted that the 4th was one-of-a-kind this is also the case of pein as said by BH he has never lost a fight. its either that narutos peins brother or he was the 4ths rival

toniCHRYSA
August 25, 2007, 03:36 PM
well a guy said earlier in that pein's hair is orange.. hey kyuubi's chakra color is orange ryt? but they said that it's a red chakra.. go figure..

and pein and jiraiya will probably be face to face at the end of next chapter.. peace :)

KyleUchiha
August 25, 2007, 03:45 PM
Oh, so you mean like the way that Naruto obviously resembled Yondaime, and that Asuma resembled a young Sarutobi? You mean like those kind of obvious things that all turned out to be correct? Please don’t take this manga so seriously, it’s a kid’s comic book, not some mystery novel. If there are hints that characters are related, and strong resemblances between them the odds are very very good that there is a relation. Thats just a pattern of proven facts that have all begun to add up.


Please man. There have already been so many of these same types of questions regarding familial relations answered by taking these things at face value. All Im saying is whether anyone minds or not the strong hints have been made, the resemblance has been established and the pattern has already been put forth. Pein and Naruto have familial relation of some kind. I dont think we have to wait around for Kishi to spell it all out before we can draw these kind of reasonable conclusion.

Edit: I hope this is not considered rude, i reworded it for a softer tone.

Kids comic, kids book, and even a cartoon, can have something of value to tell a person. And this japanese comic has taken much from the legends and myths of Japanese history.
And even "kid's" comics have mysteries. This isn't a mystery novel, but the doesn't mean it has to be a mystery novel for it to have mysteries or questions that need to be answered (not solved).

And Sai looks a lot an like an Uchiha, I guess the odds are he is related to the Uchihas. Tsunade's brother looks like Naruto, I guess the odds are Naruto is related to Nawaki. Some even said that Jiraiya resembles the Yondaime and Naruto(oh wait, we know that one isn't true).

And what you suggest is a reasonable conclusion. If Pain turns out to be his brother(or blood-related), Ill accept it and move on, but my point is, it is not set in stone that they are blood related. There could some other reason why they look the same that has to do with future events of the story, not just them being family.

Kishi may simply want us to believe for a small period of time that Pein and Naruto could be related so he can surprise us with the true reason.


And on another note,as a prediction, Sasuke will probably go out of the cave and talk to his group to tell them to wait there or something while he goes back the hideout, and then it will make way for the potentially awesome fight involving Jiraiya/Pein/Bh?, while Naruto perhaps goes to the Uchiha hideout as well, if that is what I believe Itachi wants.

Karma
August 25, 2007, 04:08 PM
I think itachi wanted Sasuke to kill naruto.. So Itachi told naruto to come to the uchicha Hide out and tell sasuke the same thing..

Naruto & sasuke will be there and ended up mocked by Itachi. Saying how weak he is and how he couldn't obtain MS. Hot headed Naruto will go after Itachi. leading to him VS Sasuke..

itachi & Tobi waited for who going to win..

ANBU4U
August 25, 2007, 05:19 PM
Yeah, that questions sticks to me too.. And as I came up with theories, heres one:

From the start, Konoha's people and shinobis hates Naruto, they view him as a monster. If they use Yondaime's (Namikaze) surname, people might misjudge the 4th and eventually hate him too for sealing the Kyuubi into Naruto instead of just killing it. So, instead they use the mother's (Uzumaki) surname, because it's not a recognized name in Konoha, since it's from another country. So, to sum it up, I think it's to protect Naruto, and also to protect Yondaime's reputation.

Well, just a hunch.. what do you think guys? :)

I find it doubtful that they would turn on the 4th because he sealed the kyuubi rather then killing it...especially when he saved everyone arses. I find it even more unlikely the the 4th would be terribly concerned that his son's association with the 9-tails would drag his own name through the mud.....seem very superficial for someone of his apparent character, especially given the consequences for Naruto.

Ichigo
August 25, 2007, 05:25 PM
I think there was something to protect the 4th hokage from letting the villages know he was the father, kind of like the Scarlet Letter.

Because if Naruto was Hated so much, the villagers wouldn't hate if someone told that that is the 4ths legacy. Kind of an a$$hole thing to do to let Naruto suffer like that. Well thats my thinking.

lentharius
August 25, 2007, 06:03 PM
I think there was something to protect the 4th hokage from letting the villages know he was the father, kind of like the Scarlet Letter.

Because if Naruto was Hated so much, the villagers wouldn't hate if someone told that that is the 4ths legacy. Kind of an a$$hole thing to do to let Naruto suffer like that. Well thats my thinking.

Someone mentioned that no Kage before had ever hidden when they had children, but do keep in mind that those Kages were actually alive. I think it was kept secret to protect Naruto from the 4th's enemies because he wasn't around to protect his son. But who knows, I'm sure in the coming chapters after Jiraiya dies that Tsunade will probably tell Naruto the truth. I think it will come out for certain the exact reason he was never told. Also I hope that if Jiraiya does die that Naruto starts carrying Jiraiya's scroll on his back (similar to shika smoking and using the chakra blades), that'd be awesome.

Raimaru
August 25, 2007, 06:17 PM
I find it doubtful that they would turn on the 4th because he sealed the kyuubi rather then killing it...especially when he saved everyone arses. I find it even more unlikely the the 4th would be terribly concerned that his son's association with the 9-tails would drag his own name through the mud.....seem very superficial for someone of his apparent character, especially given the consequences for Naruto.
Well, I think the reason why they had to use "Uzumaki" as Naruto's surname isn't that they have to protect him from the villagers of Hidden Leaf but from other countrys.
Kyuubi is a strong weapon if used right and maybe one of the main reasons the Hidden Village among Leaves became so powerful. It sure helped a lot during the several wars, of course in a hidden way.
Now Naruto were a new-born, and Kyuubi just got sealed inside him. The countries around Fire Country heard the 4th died during defending the village against Kyuubi. They come to the conclusion that Kyuubi got sealed again and became "reachable" to take control over it ... but inside who?
They just knew the 4th had a son, but somehow that little one disappeared. Instead, among the many orphans whose parents died by fighting Kyuubi, a little blond guy named Uzumaki Naruto appeared.
Sandaime Hokage said that he forbade everyone to say a word about the new Kyuubi sealing, to give Naruto the chance to live a normal life together with the other kids. I think he lied about that one. He just forbade so the other villages and countries won't guess who became Kyuubi Jinchuuriki and cannot steal the chakra beast. Naruto has to live an early life full of hatred and ignorance without knowing his dad to be a hero so no one from outside knows who carries the REAL power inside. Of course Sandamine also never told the villagers about Narutos father so they won't start to like him since someone else could guess then who Naruto might be.
Seriously, which else could have been the reason for holding back this information? Just to let Naruto life a hell on earth? 3rd Hokage was a pervert, but no sadist.

Espada82
August 25, 2007, 07:15 PM
And what you suggest is a reasonable conclusion. If Pain turns out to be his brother(or blood-related), Ill accept it and move on, but my point is, it is not set in stone that they are blood related. There could some other reason why they look the same that has to do with future events of the story, not just them being family.

Kishi may simply want us to believe for a small period of time that Pein and Naruto could be related so he can surprise us with the true reason.


We agree, it is a reasonable conclusion. In fact I would say it is more then reasonable when you consider carefully what we have learned.

Firt Pein's face was revealed to us and his resemblance to Naruto is undeniable. The fact of the matter is that aside from red hair color and eyes, and disregarding non genetic appearance factors like piercings etc., they look like brothers, maybe even twins.

Then just a few short chapters later, out of nowhere Kishi reveals in a very casual conversation between 2 key characters that Naruto's mother was a red head from a foriegn country, and he also confirms what we already knew that Yondaime=Naruto's father.

Now I dont know about you but I DO think Kishi revealing this information at this particualr time has a purpose. Otherwise it is just a mistiming because the way it was revealed was certainly under-dramatic for a such a big revelation, unless it has a signifiant purpose.

So, to summarize. First we learn Pein looks much like Naruto except the red hair color, then a few short chapters later we learn Naruto's mom was a red head.

Now, i said before this Manga isn't as difficult to figure out as a mystery novel, and I am definetly no Sherlock Holmes, but i did learn to connect the dots in kindergarten.

Jspot
August 25, 2007, 08:42 PM
About the prediction that Itachi wants Sasuke to kill Naruto, I think that could be pretty plausible. While I sincerely disagree with the prediction, and the fact that it would happen... a pretty big possibility in that regard is that Itachi could disguise Naruto as himself in some form of Genjutsu... and bam, Sasuke kills Naruto.

But yeah, if Naruto is going to die in this manga, that's not the way he's going to go.

Anyhow, I pretty much predict that Sasuke's newfound resolve and "patience" will at least allow him to hear out Itachi and discover the truth about the death of the Uchiha clan... even if it is simply to confirm that Itachi did indeed kill them for the reason he originally stated. I don't think Itachi will die, or that they will even fight until all of it is out in the open.

In my opinion, Itachi is too mysterious to be killed off quite yet... but then again, as others have said, there's been a lot of death in this manga, so who's to say?

Monkeyshank
August 25, 2007, 08:52 PM
****Naruto and Pein are not twins******
If that was true then pein would have formed AK when he was like ten or younger considering ORO left that organization long before his first appearance at the chunin exams when naruto was like 12.
And besides no mater how much of a genius Pein(twin edition) may have been Itachi was an ambu captain at 12 and that is well below the level he is now and pein keeps him in line, there is no way he did it like when he was eight like sauske was when itachi left to join AK.

older brother or uncle twin is imposible

macherie
August 25, 2007, 09:02 PM
Yeah lentharius i definitely concur with your points, i think we'll soon find out why naruto never knew who his parents were and why it was hidden from him. I also think that it was to protect naruto, already being hated for having the kyuubi inside him, if they found out he was the fourth's son, things may have been worse.

otakuami
August 25, 2007, 09:14 PM
I'd bet money that Pein has no blood relation to Kushina.

I'd double that bet. :amuse
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You know, has anybody considered Kishi may not be putting that much thought into the storyline and making it up as he goes? For all we know, he may have just drawn Naruto and the 4th alike because he felt like it at the time and only lately decided to make him his father. Wouldn't we all feel idiotic if that's been his game plan the whole time? :amuse

KyleUchiha
August 25, 2007, 10:07 PM
We agree, it is a reasonable conclusion. In fact I would say it is more then reasonable when you consider carefully what we have learned.

Firt Pein's face was revealed to us and his resemblance to Naruto is undeniable. The fact of the matter is that aside from red hair color and eyes, and disregarding non genetic appearance factors like piercings etc., they look like brothers, maybe even twins.

Then just a few short chapters later, out of nowhere Kishi reveals in a very casual conversation between 2 key characters that Naruto's mother was a red head from a foriegn country, and he also confirms what we already knew that Yondaime=Naruto's father.

Now I dont know about you but I DO think Kishi revealing this information at this particualr time has a purpose. Otherwise it is just a mistiming because the way it was revealed was certainly under-dramatic for a such a big revelation, unless it has a signifiant purpose.

So, to summarize. First we learn Pein looks much like Naruto except the red hair color, then a few short chapters later we learn Naruto's mom was a red head.

Now, i said before this Manga isn't as difficult to figure out as a mystery novel, and I am definetly no Sherlock Holmes, but i did learn to connect the dots in kindergarten.

First of all,Pein does not have Red hair. He has Orange hair. And yes, it has to have to a significant purpose to be revealed in the same arc, but that doesn't mean family relationships.

Second, many genres have mysteries, questions, and have twists and turns.Fantasy, romance, and science fiction can all these. My point is, it doesn't need to be a complicated mystery thriller to have something that you were not expecting. All stories should give you something you were not expecting to keep it interesting.

macherie
August 25, 2007, 10:18 PM
I'd double that bet. :amuse
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You know, has anybody considered Kishi may not be putting that much thought into the storyline and making it up as he goes? For all we know, he may have just drawn Naruto and the 4th alike because he felt like it at the time and only lately decided to make him his father. Wouldn't we all feel idiotic if that's been his game plan the whole time? :amuse

A fair point you make and it's hit me too, but i read a while back in one of his either online or face-face interviews and a transcript posted online that he already has the ending planned out, it's just a matter of visualisations and animations he has to think about. =]

Found it :D

http://www.naruto2.com/Information/Interviews/Naruto-Interviews_MasashiKishimoto.aspx

If you scroll down near the bottom, he talks about the ending briefly, hope it helps =]

Iwanin
August 25, 2007, 10:46 PM
If Pain and Naruto are blood related, and if it turns out they're siblings, I'd be far more tempted to bet they're older- younger brother than twins.

Kishi loves parallels (a lot of authors do), and we have the Itachi / Sasuke dichotomy, so it's not out of the question to have a Pain / Naruto dichotomy.

Imagine that Minato (Yondy) and Kushina had a kid, and that the kid was lost or kidnapped *before* Minato became Hokage.

Now, it's a bit of a stretch what I'm about to say, because it really doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but naming Naruto "Uzumaki" might have been a way to protect him from those who targeted their first kid.

Finally, as a side note, I see lot's of people prefer to spell Pain's name "Pein." The katakana spelling is indeed "Pein," but phonetically it's "Pain," so we may safely assume this is the idea Kishi wanted to convey.

People don't leave words of foreign origin like "Aisu Kuriimu" as-is, they change them to their corresponding English term (Ice Cream, in this case) - so why should names be any different?

It's like Maito Gai = Might Guy. I'm 99% sure you'll see "Pein" spelled "Pain" in the eventual databook, just like "Gai" is spelled "Guy."

Some may argue that we can't know for sure until we get something "official" like the databook, but I say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.... :p

Espada82
August 25, 2007, 10:53 PM
First of all,Pein does not have Red hair. He has Orange hair. And yes, it has to have to a significant purpose to be revealed in the same arc, but that doesn't mean family relationships.

are you serious? You must be because you are still talking like this is a criminal investigation. Red..Orange its a distinction without a difference. I dated a girl with ORANGE hair once, yes it was more orange then red, but she was referred to as red head, not an orange head.

Also everytime physical/genetic characteristics have been inferred, along with hints at some relation it has turned out that there is a relation e.g. Asuma/Sarutobi, Naruto/Yondaime , so your quibbling that "that doesn't mean family relationships" has not a leg to stand on.


Second, many genres have mysteries, questions, and have twists and turns.Fantasy, romance, and science fiction can all these. My point is, it doesn't need to be a complicated mystery thriller to have something that you were not expecting. All stories should give you something you were not expecting to keep it interesting.

Sure, but again this is a manga, not a great novel. Might there be some twist to this Naruto/Pein thing...sure. But odds are against it. The pattern of these things has been solid here. All signs point to a relation here. And being contrary and skeptical on this matter for its own sake is no virtue, when you have nothing to substantiate it.

bank3r
August 25, 2007, 11:30 PM
The BlueHair girl in the Akutsuki is definately not Naruto's mother because she have blue hair...

In chapter 367 pg 12 Jiraiya definately stated that Uzumaki Kushina have "RED" hair

And I dont think Pein/Pain is Naruto's mother also, because I believe and Pein/Pain is a male!

But there is a good news because Kishi might be able to bring about another character that will be important in the future!

And Jiraiya definately not going to die..we only seen a tiny fraction of his true capabilities..

And if 4th is Kakashi's teacher, and Kakashi is around 26, Pein definately could be around 19-23, and there is chance that Pein is 4th son, but I think that chances is rather slim.

akatsuki27
August 25, 2007, 11:35 PM
@ ^

yeah i smell a relation between them coming up....discovered by ero sennin when he faces pein....but not a kyodai thing, more like uncle or cousin....there's definately still some more revelations to come <--- sorry for being captain obvious

Littlewig
August 26, 2007, 12:53 AM
This is really a long term prediction, but does anyone else believe that Akastuki has any connection with Roots?

Madara is the leader of Akatsuki, and we can assume that Madara once lived in konoha. Roots is probably some secret organization also controlled by Madara, used to undermine konoha when Akatsuki is nearing their goal. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more organizations like root in other villages as well.

Now, as for the next chapter, I think the focus will be on Sasuke and Itachi. This arc as revolved around Sasuke and I doubt they will skip their fight to show us Jiraiya now.

Sasuke and Itachi will fight, with Itachi losing in the end. Itachi will divulge all the secrets of the night when the Uchiha clan died, and it was Madara and not Itachi who commited the murders. Itachi only showed him killing his parents in order to prepare Sasuke and himself to fight Madara. Only the strongest of the two of them can face madara, and that will be Sasuke.

Sasuke will also learn about roots, which will be the reason why he returns to Konoha. This will be a nice seg-way to the next arc, where Jiraiya dies and we learn about the connects or Root and Akastuki.

vegettasaiyan
August 26, 2007, 01:10 AM
for me next release will show more of jiraiya and how he manage to infiltrate the akatsuki. alot of talks with pein and of course their battle (that will be awesome chapter) since most of his (jiraiya) battle showcase defense.

now this chapter is amazing since we get to know background info about naruto. but my question is, Who Sealed 9 Tail in naruto and How? i remember when 4th use the forbidden technique it took the soul of the beast and 4th which led to his death, so who did the sealing process.

if i recall when 3rd use the same technique to oro only the arm was taken but it took entire life of 3rd. my point is there has to be another person who retrieve/extract the bijuu from that technique and then sealed it to naruto and how did they manage to do it. im thinking of something already but im not sure of it yet... nah i'll keep it for the time being.

Ukun
August 26, 2007, 01:21 AM
Here's a big question...Why is it that everyone thinks Pein (Pein is how it's spelled and Pein is how I will spell it, just like I still use Gai) has either red or orange hair. Both of these asumptions have been proven wrong ages ago. His hair color is brown/auburn:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4504/akatsukijl1.jpg
he's in the top right corner. Notice it's neither red nor orange, but brown.Sorry it's so small. I'm looking for the full size version so I can crop it.

As for Pein's relation to Naruto, I have a feeling it will pan out to be Naruto's uncle, aka, Minato's brother. Afterall, Blonde is only a lighter shade of Brown. He may or may not know that Naruto is his nephew. Jiraiya might recognize him as Minato's brother and tell him that Naruto is his nephew.

Vegeta, The fourth did all of it. Remember, he developed all of those techniques, so he knew how to use them the best. Sarutobi only had enough strength to take Orochimaru's arms because he was already pretty beat up and was bleeding to death from the sword that was piercing his body. You should also see that Sarutobi didn't die instantaneously, but within a minute or so. This seems more than enough time to transfer the soul, because if you remember, the Shinigami eat's both souls, so he would've had to do it before he could eat the Kyuubi's soul.

xVinhX
August 26, 2007, 01:36 AM
Sasuke and Itachi will fight, with Itachi losing in the end. Itachi will divulge all the secrets of the night when the Uchiha clan died, and it was Madara and not Itachi who commited the murders. Itachi only showed him killing his parents in order to prepare Sasuke and himself to fight Madara. Only the strongest of the two of them can face madara, and that will be Sasuke.


i dont think Sasuke can defeat Itachi yet. Tobi said that Sasuke's eyes WILL surpass Itachi, meaning he has the potential but hes not quite there yet. In their latest encounter, Itachi managed to trap Sasuke in a genjustu before the battle even started

samuraY
August 26, 2007, 02:49 AM
For me ,it's obvious that Jirayia wil have an encounter with BH or Pein.Naruto will read the book he got from Kabutomaru.

Or

Sasuke will meet up with Itachi in the Uchiha hideout and listen to the full story of that night where the whole Uchiha clan was murdered by Itachi or whoever it was.

Gold Knight
August 26, 2007, 07:30 AM
I'd be willing to say that Pein is a long-lost sibling of Naruto's, it would add some unexpected dynamics to the story. Not to mention there had to be a way for Naruto to discover a bit more about his parentage anyway, this is as good a way as any.



It's like Maito Gai = Might Guy. I'm 99% sure you'll see "Pein" spelled "Pain" in the eventual databook, just like "Gai" is spelled "Guy."

Some may argue that we can't know for sure until we get something "official" like the databook, but I say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.... :p

Despite the official spelling even so, I'm still saying "Maito Gai" just because it reads less cheesy, heh. Probably can't blame people for doing the same with Pain.

KyleUchiha
August 26, 2007, 07:52 AM
Here's a big question...Why is it that everyone thinks Pein (Pein is how it's spelled and Pein is how I will spell it, just like I still use Gai) has either red or orange hair. Both of these asumptions have been proven wrong ages ago. His hair color is brown/auburn:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4504/akatsukijl1.jpg
he's in the top right corner. Notice it's neither red nor orange, but brown.Sorry it's so small. I'm looking for the full size version so I can crop it.

As for Pein's relation to Naruto, I have a feeling it will pan out to be Naruto's uncle, aka, Minato's brother. Afterall, Blonde is only a lighter shade of Brown. He may or may not know that Naruto is his nephew. Jiraiya might recognize him as Minato's brother and tell him that Naruto is his nephew.

Vegeta, The fourth did all of it. Remember, he developed all of those techniques, so he knew how to use them the best. Sarutobi only had enough strength to take Orochimaru's arms because he was already pretty beat up and was bleeding to death from the sword that was piercing his body. You should also see that Sarutobi didn't die instantaneously, but within a minute or so. This seems more than enough time to transfer the soul, because if you remember, the Shinigami eat's both souls, so he would've had to do it before he could eat the Kyuubi's soul.


Thank you, Ukun, for pointing this out, from the picture I had always seen it appeared Orange. But yes it does look more brownish or auburn.



are you serious? You must be because you are still talking like this is a criminal investigation. Red..Orange its a distinction without a difference. I dated a girl with ORANGE hair once, yes it was more orange then red, but she was referred to as red head, not an orange head.

Also everytime physical/genetic characteristics have been inferred, along with hints at some relation it has turned out that there is a relation e.g. Asuma/Sarutobi, Naruto/Yondaime , so your quibbling that "that doesn't mean family relationships" has not a leg to stand on.

Sure, but again this is a manga, not a great novel. Might there be some twist to this Naruto/Pein thing...sure. But odds are against it. The pattern of these things has been solid here. All signs point to a relation here. And being contrary and skeptical on this matter for its own sake is no virtue, when you have nothing to substantiate it.

Okay, first, are you serious? This isn't the real world. Red and Orange are two different colors in manga, yes, they can be passed down through genetics in the real world and in manga, but this is manga. Looking again at my post, I meant to word it as "it doesn't only mean blood related.

And I don't see how spending a extra minute to think of other possibilities besides them being blood related makes it a criminal investigation. Just because I'm open minded to other possibilities of where the story is going, doesn't mean I'm making a criminal investigation.:eyeroll

And as I said, if they are related, they are related. I'll accept it and move on with the story.

And also, anything involving a story has genres, even manga, or even a kiddy story.
Even the worst novel or story still fits into a genre.

Iwanin
August 26, 2007, 08:24 AM
Despite the official spelling even so, I'm still saying "Maito Gai" just because it reads less cheesy, heh. Probably can't blame people for doing the same with Pain.

Yeah, I see what you mean.

I guess it's just funny to some of us who know Japanese, because manga naming conventions are all about cheese.

Whirlpool Naruto
Sea Dolphin
Crop field Scarecrow
Springfield Cherry
Dogmound Fang
...etc

With names like these, Might Guy and Pain sound - frankly - pretty damned cool. :p

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 09:51 AM
Okay, first, are you serious? This isn't the real world. Red and Orange are two different colors in manga, yes, they can be passed down through genetics in the real world and in manga, but this is manga. Looking again at my post, I meant to word it as "it doesn't only mean blood related.

Dude we only saw his hair color 1 time and he was way back in the foreground, so whether its more orange then red doesnt really make a bit of difference anyway. Pein still looks just like Naruto except with a different hair color, and Naruto's mom also has a similiar hair color to Pein, so you are just going to have to accept that Kishi is hinting at some kind of relation there.

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Here's a big question...Why is it that everyone thinks Pein (Pein is how it's spelled and Pein is how I will spell it, just like I still use Gai) has either red or orange hair. Both of these asumptions have been proven wrong ages ago. His hair color is brown/auburn:

I dont know I was looking at the big version a few minutes ago and he looks like a carrot top to me, but I guess we will see because Im sure Kishi will wont to give us another color page of him before he offs him, he is a pretty cool looking character.


As for Pein's relation to Naruto, I have a feeling it will pan out to be Naruto's uncle, aka, Minato's brother. Afterall, Blonde is only a lighter shade of Brown. He may or may not know that Naruto is his nephew. Jiraiya might recognize him as Minato's brother and tell him that Naruto is his nephew.

Thats an interesting possbility that I would not rule out but, I think the hints that have been dropped to far tend to lean more towards him being a relative, maybe another son of Kushina. So before accepting your theory I would say that its more likely he might be the second child(perhaps born before Naruto) of Kushina/Minato, making him Naruto's brother. Which would create an interesting parallel between Sasuke and Naruto as others have pointed out.

brainwiz
August 26, 2007, 10:20 AM
if i recall when 3rd use the same technique to oro only the arm was taken but it took entire life of 3rd. my point is there has to be another person who retrieve/extract the bijuu from that technique and then sealed it to naruto and how did they manage to do it. im thinking of something already but im not sure of it yet... nah i'll keep it for the time being.

simple, it wasn't the same technique. the sealing of bijuus into people is a different technique than the shinigami summon one. both, however, require that the caster dies.

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 10:26 AM
simple, it wasn't the same technique. the sealing of bijuus into people is a different technique than the shinigami summon one. both, however, require that the caster dies.

I think you are in error on 1 point. Sealing a bijuu into a person does not cost the sealer his/her life. Chiyo sealed Shikaku into Gaara and lived.

brainwiz
August 26, 2007, 10:36 AM
I think you are in error on 1 point. Sealing a bijuu into a person does not cost the sealer his/her life. Chiyo sealed Shikaku into Gaara and lived.

ah yes, you're right. chiyo was alive.
and i only had one point.

KyleUchiha
August 26, 2007, 10:49 AM
Espada82: Dude we only saw his hair color 1 time and he was way back in the foreground, so whether its more orange then red doesnt really make a bit of difference anyway. Pein still looks just like Naruto except with a different hair color, and Naruto's mom also has a similiar hair color to Pein, so you are just going to have to accept that Kishi is hinting at some kind of relation there.


Oh, so now you've been proven wrong, you want to ignore a fact? And even though you just said it doesn't make any difference, then you contradict yourself by saying it does matter that Pein and Kushina may have a similar hair color, and how is brown to auburn similar to red?


Espada82:LOL open minded !? You have been everything BUT open minded. Other possibilites? You havent thought of 1 yet that you have presented here so dont try to be so high minded, it stinks of falsehood. All you have done is try to debunk the obvious observation that Pein & Naruto have a familial relation, but offered absolulety nothing else in the way of explaining their connections. Thats not being open minded, thats simply being stubborn and denying an obvious plot point for the sake of denying and for no other reason. If you have another plausbile explanation I am open minded enough to hear it out, but your simply being contrary with no reasons at all to support it is not being open minded.



I haven't tried to debunk their relationship to each other. I've only said it's possible that they may not be related. I'm willing to accept that they could be related or that may not be related. I haven't made a definite opinion on the subject. And I have said that there is a connection, but it may not be blood-related. You seem to be under the impression there is undeniable proof. I haven't denied their connections, I'm saying their could be other connections that we are not aware of yet that could be revealed next week that could explain the situation further. Because there could still more to what Kishi wants to tell us, how do you know there isn't more to be revealed? You don't know. So you see, I'm waiting to get all my facts straight before jumping the gun and say "oh yes they related there's no question" when Kishi might reveal something else that could make it more complicated.

And I didn't think I needed to point out every theory to you on the boards, but I'm looking at others as well. Some are saying Pein could have been cloned, he could be a zombie, or maybe the reason he has a similar appearance to Naruto because it has something to do with his powers, or maybe they share a connection that has molded their physical appearances together, maybe he met Naruto when he was a baby and something happened to them both physically when Naruto was born, something that has to do with his parents. All could be ridiculous, but many would have said the same thing about the current story if you had told them what would happen several months ago.

But if you get that upset about my statements:blink , maybe I'll stop now,
as I really don't understand how could have misconstrued some of my statements by so much.

And I would like add that the Zombie theory and Clone theory, are not my own but the rest I came up with by myself. I thought everyone would like to see the other points of view as well.

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 10:54 AM
Oh, so now you've been proven wrong, you want to ignore a fact? And even though you just said it doesn't make any difference, then you contradict yourself by saying it does matter that Pein and Kushina may have a similar hair color, and how is brown to auburn similar to red?

There you go again acting like this is some sort of investigation. Im sorry in what way was I proven wrong? Did I miss something? I ONLY said that Pein's hair may be a shade of Orange or Red, but the distinction that can be made between those two shades is minor especially considering we have only seen his hair color in 1 image where he was off in the distance. In fact I specifically pointed out in another post that I didnt agree his hair was auburn, I thought he was more of a red head.

LOL, Mr Detective you know you keep saying that you aren't treating this like a mystery novel, but you jump all over any chance you get to "prove" something, even though you have no proof.


I really don't understand how could have misconstrued some of my statements by so much.

Thats just so ridiculous. YOU are the one that has misconstrued statements, or perhaps you never bothered to read them. I was quite clear that Pein is a red head, yet you somehow took that to mean i conceded he had auburn hair. My detective friend, you arent doing a very good job gathering the facts.


I haven't tried to debunk their relationship to each other. I've only said it's possible that they may not be related. I'm willing to accept that they could be related or that may not be related. I haven't made a definite opinion on the subject. And I have said that there is a connection, but it may not be blood-related. You seem to be under the impression their is undeniable proof. I haven't denied their connections, I'm saying their could be other connections that we are not aware of yet that could be revealed next week that could explain the situation further. Because there could still more to what Kishi wants to tell us, how do you know there isn't more to be revealed? You don't know. So you see, I'm waiting to get all my facts straight before jumping the gun and say "oh yes they related there's no question" when Kishi might reveal something else that could make it more complicated.

Whats is all this? So you throw every possible idea out there including "zombies", all theories that aren't even your own, in order to deny an obvious implication by Kishi of a relation between Pein & Naruto, and you call that being open minded?

Dude that aint being open minded thats called just being difficult. If you have somehting solid and reasonable lets hear it, or else you arent doing much accept trying to debunk others reasonable predictions and not offering any of your own.

Nami
August 26, 2007, 10:55 AM
Cool it guys, this is a PREDICTION thread. Please stay on topic. Any more harsh exchanges will be deleted. Thanks.

GreeN Beast
August 26, 2007, 11:07 AM
do u guys know that madara is not dead but sealed in a temple and in order to take the seal off u need the kyubi and three mangyekou Sharingan Users...you all follow me right

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 11:09 AM
do u guys know that madara is not dead but sealed in a temple and in order to take the seal off u need the kyubi and three mangyekou Sharingan Users...you all follow me right

Im not sure I ever heard that theory but Im not sure its valid b/c isnt Tobi actually Madara?

But Tobi's language concerning him being Madara was a little merky so I suppose there is some wiggle room there.

Peronally I believe Tobi=Obito. i know alot of people believe the Madara revelation debunked it, but I think it made it more likely. The same chapter where Tobi says he's Madara, it also reveals he does in fact have Sharingan in his right eye, adding more evidence to support the Tobi=Obito theory. My thinking is Madara found Tobi in the cave and took control of his body. Kinda off the wall but I really do still see the Tobi/Obito connection, but so much about Tobi is still such a mystery so I guess we shall see.

Nihongaeri
August 26, 2007, 12:06 PM
Now, it's a bit of a stretch what I'm about to say, because it really doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but naming Naruto "Uzumaki" might have been a way to protect him from those who targeted their first kid.If that was the motivation behind it, it would make their choice to put the Nine-tails inside Naruto quite ironic, to say the least... Although I wouldn't put it past Kishi to come up with such reasoning.

Personally I'm going to be a proponent of a "Pain is Naruto's half-brother" theory. Maybe it's just me, but this Uzumaki Kushina strikes me as being quite the hussy. I think she "got around", if you know what I mean... If you don't, I mean that she had sex with a lot of other guys, producing no small number of illegitimate children. :D And if that were the case, it'd give the anime company producing Naruto a great excuse to continue creating poor quality filler episodes and movies up until the end of time.
I'm 99% sure you'll see "Pein" spelled "Pain" in the eventual databook, just like "Gai" is spelled "Guy."I'm not as compelled to be so confident. While "Pain" does seem most plausible, there are other homophonous names in English, and it's not completely outside the realm of reason that Kishi could have somehow managed to pick up one of those. And unlike "Might Guy", which gives you two words to work with (not to mention that a relatively famous Japanese actor already had the nickname "Might Guy" well before Naruto came into existence), the overall context we have with Pain's name is still quite a bit more ambiguious (especially considering that most names in Naruto are written in katakana to begin with). Even his name having been chosen purely for the sound is, although quite unlikely, still an outside possibility in my mind.

I'd still use "Pain" if I were translating... I just don't feel comfortable at this point saying there aren't any other somewhat rational possibilities.

kadoman
August 26, 2007, 12:23 PM
Can I just say Iwanin and Nihongaeri, that Pein and Pain have the same vowel sound in English. Example: rein and rain.

Like homophones, they sound the same but are spelt differently. So either spelling would be sufficient when translating to English.

However, I think it depends on your accent/nationality because I *think* ei and ai do have different sounds in French? Anyone French here that can correct me?

Edit: Aaand I can see we're getting off predictions based posts here (darn me!) so now I have to make a prediction (which I'm not good at).

Here goes:

Tsunade, knowing that Jiraiya does not want her endangering her life and therefore will not send a toad for back-up, will secretly follow him anyway. She won't do as she's told and safeguard the village. She'll think like Naruto would in that situation, that if she can't protect one dear friend, how will she be able to protect the entire village? Or something like that. This will set up for a Pein V Jiraiya and BH V Tsnade.

lordHokage
August 26, 2007, 12:38 PM
If Pain and Naruto are blood related, and if it turns out they're siblings, I'd be far more tempted to bet they're older- younger brother than twins.

Kishi loves parallels (a lot of authors do), and we have the Itachi / Sasuke dichotomy, so it's not out of the question to have a Pain / Naruto dichotomy.

Imagine that Minato (Yondy) and Kushina had a kid, and that the kid was lost or kidnapped *before* Minato became Hokage.

Now, it's a bit of a stretch what I'm about to say, because it really doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but naming Naruto "Uzumaki" might have been a way to protect him from those who targeted their first kid.

I like your prediction theory, it makes a lot sense. Hopeful Kishimoto will drop another bombshell why Uzumaki Naruto is not Namikaze Naruto during Pervy Sage and Pein aka Pain showdown. Maybe all of their kids were targeted by Minato’s enemies. :blink

jehonleonce
August 26, 2007, 12:52 PM
OK, first of I gotta say, brilliant chapter, Filled with Information. Good job Kishi for reviving the series, I was starting to get bored. Also nice way of taking all the focus off saske.

1. I do not believe the series is going to end soon as so many ppl are suggesting. There are still too many unanswered questions. Danzo and root for one, Oro and Kabuto, Saske and Itachi, Naruto's parents, The white snake, Pein and B.H. (Her name still has not yet been reaveled btw...maybe she's a medical nin) and Tobi and Madara.

2. I do not feel Itachi is evil. I believe Itachi is going to reveal something to saske in the Uchiha hideout that would be yet another plot twist or an ahh haa moment.

3. Where is zetsu and Kisame? Kisame is stated as being the one in the gang oh my bad club...lol great fake spoiler... with the most charaka. Whats he up to?

4. Great to see Jiraya finally getting some face time...its about time we find out what he can really do. We all know he is prob the strongest character on the good guys team. Taught by the Third and Taught the fourth. This frankly is the battle I've been waiting for.

5. I am very curious to see how Kishi is going to make naruto Hokage ready. As stated by Jiraya, he still has a long way to go. He is very far from the 1000 jutsu criteria...is still a genin, and although he has proven very resilient, he has yet to impress me with the mental acuity of a shikamaru, kakashi or any jonin level ninja. This is by no means downplaying him, he is personally one of my favorite characters, but he needs to start showing or developing some leadership traits.

6. I believe that naruto's first team to lead will be kimmimaru(sp), the third's grandson and his crew and they will be known as the new legendary sannin.

My final prediction is that Tobi is in league with Danzo and it will all come out in the end.

lordHokage
August 26, 2007, 01:06 PM
Here goes:

Tsunade, knowing that Jiraiya does not want her endangering her life and therefore will not send a toad for back-up, will secretly follow him anyway. She won't do as she's told and safeguard the village. She'll think like Naruto would in that situation, that if she can't protect one dear friend, how will she be able to protect the entire village? Or something like that. This will set up for a Pein V Jiraiya and BH V Tsnade.

What would Naruto do? Kage Bunshin no Jutsu


:Godaime :Godaime :Godaime :Godaime :Godaime :Godaime :Godaime

If your prediction comes true, my long-term prediction is both match up will end in a draw, and more bombshells will go off. :o

Ichigo
August 26, 2007, 01:28 PM
the more i read your predictions the more exciting for me. I just hope we find out more stuff. It seems like Kishi is just laying everything out for us. I do think there is some relation to Pein, BH and Naruto. Can't Wait.

Cheers

Monkeyshank
August 26, 2007, 01:28 PM
Prediction for 368(well thats what we are here for right)
No actual fighting just some more postureing
The uchias talk and sauske shows how mature he has become in his angst
Hebi encounters Kisame and Zetsu, but zetsu is just spying
The leaf is just behind the action as always
We learn of the interactions due to all of narutos bushin
The last page finally shows Jiraya and his Ak informant and there is another huge cliff Hanger we all debate until the end of the series which may or maynot happen between now and the apocalypse
Oh and gara will show up and reveal becuase he has reddish hair he must also be a Uzamaki(jk), but garaa will return and have the iron sand like the second kazekage

chekmate
August 26, 2007, 01:28 PM
who is BH?

BH is an abbreviation for Blue Hair (girl) - the female Akatsuki member whose name we don't know. Personally, I think her hair is purple, but you know... :amuse

No, kado. I don't think anyone knows >.>

Tias
August 26, 2007, 01:44 PM
WHERE....i just ask this ok? WHERE does it say that narutos mother has red or orange hair anyway?

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 01:46 PM
Tsunade, knowing that Jiraiya does not want her endangering her life and therefore will not send a toad for back-up, will secretly follow him anyway. She won't do as she's told and safeguard the village. She'll think like Naruto would in that situation, that if she can't protect one dear friend, how will she be able to protect the entire village? Or something like that. This will set up for a Pein V Jiraiya and BH V Tsnade.

That would be awesome! BUT...I think Tsunade will take Jiriaya's advise and stay in the village. A Hokage really shouldn't be running out to fight in other villages for 2 really good reasons. First, A Hokages main job is to protect the village, and you cant do that if you arent there. Second, a Hokage's presence fighting a leader of another village could lead to all out decleration of war because a Hokage is the military leader of the Fire Country, so for political reasons it wouldnt be smart as well.

So that said I predict Tsunade sends some ANBU to back up Jiriaya, which would be a great opporunity for us to some more of them in action.


I do not feel Itachi is evil. I believe Itachi is going to reveal something to saske in the Uchiha hideout that would be yet another plot twist or an ahh haa moment.

Intersting theory but i do believe Itachi is evil, he will reveal somehting and it will probably be something regarding the history of the Uchiha and there relationship with the Kyuubi. My theory is that Uchiha where breed to be able to control Bijuu or something like that. We shall see.

kadoman
August 26, 2007, 01:56 PM
WHERE....i just ask this ok? WHERE does it say that narutos mother has red or orange hair anyway?

Here is the link to Hisshou's trans: http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=503505#post503505

Jiraiya: THAT was her name!
I remember with that red hair, the constant jabbering and her tomboyish demeanor,
she was just like one of the boys!

And this is Iwanin's for back-up:

Jiraiya: Oh, yeah! That’s what her name was!

Jiraiya: Red haired, a tomboy, couldn’t shut up… if you didn’t know better you’d think she was a real boy!

Hope that helps. :)
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That would be awesome! BUT...I think Tsunade will take Jiriaya's advise and stay in the village. A Hokage really shouldn't be running out to fight in other villages for 2 really good reasons. First, A Hokages main job is to protect the village, and you cant do that if you arent there. Second, a Hokage's presence fighting a leader of another village could lead to all out decleration of war because a Hokage is the military leader of the Fire Country, so for political reasons it wouldnt be smart as well.

So that said I predict Tsunade sends some ANBU to back up Jiriaya, which would be a great opporunity for us to some more of them in action.


Yeah, I think yours is more likely than mine, to be honest. I also think it'd awesome if she rebelled and we had the double match, but she's NOT like Naruto and in any case, I guess that's where Naruto has a ways to go in becoming Hokage? Right now, he'd abandon an entire village to say, rescue Sasuke (just generally speaking) which isn't great.



Intersting theory but i do believe Itachi is evil, he will reveal somehting and it will probably be something regarding the history of the Uchiha and there relationship with the Kyuubi. My theory is that Uchiha where breed to be able to control Bijuu or something like that. We shall see.

Thank GOD! You are the first person I have come across who thinks Itachi might still be evil. Makes me happy! I've been so depressed with all the 'goodness' vibes we've been getting lately. :amuse I don't know about the last part of your theory there, but I certainly agree with the first part - that he will reveal something Sasuke regarding Uchiha's history.

The Technical
August 26, 2007, 02:06 PM
1. Pein is Naruto's uncle (his mom's baby brother); she died while giving birth to Naruto, Pein developed hatred towards both the 4th and Naruto for his sister's death (kinda how Enishi hated Kenshin for his sister's death). His country gets destroyed, brings the Uzumaki clan to the Rain country, and fights for control of it.

2. Itachi tells Sasuke that he DID NOT kill the Uchiha clan.

3. Add a +Juan to the Jiraiya dying prediction.

jehonleonce
August 26, 2007, 02:12 PM
Here is the link to Hisshou's trans: http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=503505#post503505

Jiraiya: THAT was her name!
I remember with that red hair, the constant jabbering and her tomboyish demeanor,
she was just like one of the boys!

And this is Iwanin's for back-up:

Jiraiya: Oh, yeah! That’s what her name was!

Jiraiya: Red haired, a tomboy, couldn’t shut up… if you didn’t know better you’d think she was a real boy!

Hope that helps. :)
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Yeah, I think yours is more likely than mine, to be honest. I also think it'd awesome if she rebelled and we had the double match, but she's NOT like Naruto and in any case, I guess that's where Naruto has a ways to go in becoming Hokage? Right now, he'd abandon an entire village to say, rescue Sasuke (just generally speaking) which isn't great.




Thank GOD! You are the first person I have come across who thinks Itachi might still be evil. Makes me happy! I've been so depressed with all the 'goodness' vibes we've been getting lately. :amuse I don't know about the last part of your theory there, but I certainly agree with the first part - that he will reveal something Sasuke regarding Uchiha's history.

I kinda don't want Itachi to be good either, but I can def. see it being revealed that, he was Jiraya's mole in AK. Which would explain alot.

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 02:23 PM
Thank GOD! You are the first person I have come across who thinks Itachi might still be evil. Makes me happy! I've been so depressed with all the 'goodness' vibes we've been getting lately. I don't know about the last part of your theory there, but I certainly agree with the first part - that he will reveal something Sasuke regarding Uchiha's history.

I have been seeing that alot too and I have no idea where it comes from. I dont havea dog in the race, I would be fine with it either way, but i just dont see anything that redeems Itachi at all. That said he definetly has plans for Sasuke and that has to do with why he spared him, so I think luring him to the Uchiha temple must be for a good reason, i.e. to reveal/show something to him.

segua
August 26, 2007, 02:49 PM
Thank GOD! You are the first person I have come across who thinks Itachi might still be evil. Makes me happy! I've been so depressed with all the 'goodness' vibes we've been getting lately. :amuse I don't know about the last part of your theory there, but I certainly agree with the first part - that he will reveal something Sasuke regarding Uchiha's history.


I have been seeing that alot too and I have no idea where it comes from. I dont havea dog in the race, I would be fine with it either way, but i just dont see anything that redeems Itachi at all. That said he definetly has plans for Sasuke and that has to do with why he spared him, so I think luring him to the Uchiha temple must be for a good reason, i.e. to reveal/show something to him.

LOL. Itachi being good is just a theory and a speculative one at that.

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 03:02 PM
3. Add a +Juan to the Jiraiya dying prediction.

Count another Juan tambien.

I dont really want to see it because Jiriaya is one of my favorite characters but I think he has served his purpose and Kishi will send him off with a bang, and his death will give Naruto more to fight for. Also, there has been so much mention of the next generation stepping up and taking over the reins I think Jiriaya's generation is going to start dropping like flies..well not quite like flies but you get the point.

Some one mentioned this and I agree, it would be cool for Naruto to take up Jiriaya's scroll the way Shikimaru took up Asuma's blades.

CoolDude21
August 26, 2007, 03:20 PM
I was watching chapters 363 and 364, I’m starting to believe that the leader is indeed naruto mother. The resemblance of the hair is very identical. :notrust

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 03:23 PM
I was watching chapters 363 and 364, I’m starting to believe that the leader is indeed naruto mother. The resemblance of the hair is very identical. :notrust

Are you saying Naruto's mom is a tranny?

I SO want that to be true. I would laugh my head off. This manga needs another gender bender. :XD

CoolDude21
August 26, 2007, 03:37 PM
I just think the hair and the shape of the face are identical. Could be that the Kishi wants to miss guide us.:amuse ,

Paradoxicon
August 26, 2007, 03:42 PM
Pein is Naruto's brother, why else would Jiraya talk about "the boys"? The similarities between both are so obvious. Perhaps even so obvious that Kishi didn't even expect people coming up with any theories that do not have a Naruto-Pein connection.


Jiraya is done for, but I hope he puts up a good fight.

sasuke vs Itachi should get a break. there's more important stuff going on than yet another Sasuke fight.

Nihongaeri
August 26, 2007, 04:30 PM
Can I just say Iwanin and Nihongaeri, that Pein and Pain have the same vowel sound in English. Example: rein and rain.

Like homophones, they sound the same but are spelt differently. So either spelling would be sufficient when translating to English.The problem isn't so much what is or isn't possible in the English orthography, but instead what Kishimoto is intending. If he's intending ペイン to be a Japanese transliteration of the English word "Pain", then it's arguably most reasonable to respect such intentions. If it was intended to be a transliteration of some name such as "Paine" or "Payne", then use of the intended name would be ideal. If it was just chosen for the sound, then any string of characters yielding a homophonous pronunciation in English would be fair game.
I have been seeing that alot too and I have no idea where it comes from. I dont havea dog in the race, I would be fine with it either way, but i just dont see anything that redeems Itachi at all.The main evidence of the "Itachi is good" theory is that we have yet to see Itachi actually kill anyone yet, despite having the opportunity to do so. Everyone seems to mark him has the person who killed all the Uchihas, and he doesn't ever deny it either, but there were also no actual depictions of him doing the killing (he was standing over his parents bodies, but hey). Then when he comes to Konoha, despite having the opportunity to finish off Kakashi, he choses not to (and Kakashi notices and is bewildered by this, demonstrated by his monologue). Kisame also suggests that Itachi could have defeated Jiraiya in their encounter, but Itachi chose to flee (whether Kisame's assessment was correct or not is another issue, BTW). Itachi not being bad would be a twist, for sure, and, depending on the backstory we will eventually be presented with, it's still possible, at least from a narrative perspective.

Ichigo
August 26, 2007, 04:33 PM
yes nihongaeri, Itachi definitely has some issues that Kishi will be sure to reveal to the audience. I wouldn't doubt if Itachi didn't murder his clan but all the evidences point to he did.

Yeah and Naruto does have some relation to Pain i think too.

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 04:41 PM
The main evidence of the "Itachi is good" theory is that we have yet to see Itachi actually kill anyone yet, despite having the opportunity to do so. Everyone seems to mark him has the person who killed all the Uchihas, and he doesn't ever deny it either, but there were also no actual depictions of him doing the killing (he was standing over his parents bodies, but hey).

I understand why some people MIGHT be skeptical but from my perspective it is totally unwarranted and there is no reason to doubt Itachi is evil.

As you say he was standing over his parents bodies with a bloodied sword. To me thats it right there the smoking gun, I mean this is a kids manga and Kishi tends to shy away from actually showing people killed, in fact it only happened once to my recollection, i.e. Sarutobi's death, but that was a huge climatic moment so it seemed to me Kishi had to show that. But in most cases when there is a bloody death it occurs off panel. I just think Itachi killing his parents was not shown because it was a rather gruesome act, not because he didnt do it.

That said of course Itachi has plans for Sasuke, or else he wouldnt have spared him in teh first place, and he wouldnt now be luring him to the Uchiha meeting place.

kadoman
August 26, 2007, 05:05 PM
The problem isn't so much what is or isn't possible in the English orthography, but instead what Kishimoto is intending. If he's intending ペイン to be a Japanese transliteration of the English word "Pain", then it's arguably most reasonable to respect such intentions...

Ah, okay, thanks for clarifying that. I'm always amazed at the complexity of translating; just when I think something is simple it's really not. Well, in that case, how do we know what Kishi's intention is? I suppose we have to wait for the databook?


The main evidence of the "Itachi is good" theory is that we have yet to see Itachi actually kill anyone yet, despite having the opportunity to do so. Everyone seems to mark him has the person who killed all the Uchihas, and he doesn't ever deny it either, but there were also no actual depictions of him doing the killing (he was standing over his parents bodies, but hey).

I can see the point - but I don't think it's a very convincing one - not for me anyway. Innocent until proven guilty? In light of all Kishi's narrative efforts that say otherwise? He's put a lot of work into conveying to us through other narrative devices that Itachi is responsible for the killing of his clan. "Why did you do it?" Sasuke asks. "To measure my capacity," Itachi replies. This might not be the sledgehammer approach that some people prefer but it is a (slighty) more sublte way of saying, 'Yes, I committed these killings.' Kishi goes to the trouble of conveying to us not once, but a few times, Sasuke reliving the day over and over, with particular emphasis on Itachi's being responsible. This kind of clear cut evidence, to me, is much more convincing than, 'well, he says he killed his clan, but we readers didn't witness it, so we'll not take his word for it. Innocent until proven guilty.'


Then when he comes to Konoha, despite having the opportunity to finish off Kakashi, he choses not to (and Kakashi notices and is bewildered by this, demonstrated by his monologue).

I took this to mean that Itachi is economical in his killing. He doesn't waste energy by killing people he has no quarrel with (he had a big quarrel with his clan, which is why he took the trouble to kill every single one of them). He did say to Kisame that the last thing they wanted was to 'draw attention to themselves and attract Konoha back-up'. I don't think he wanted to waste time killing people when he had a job to get on with.

And as for the 'fleeing Jiraiya' thing, well, he said himself he was out of chakra and taking on Jiraya was a big deal even for the two of them. He's smart and economical. Why, after having used his chakra and his sharingan twice in one day would he risk his life fighting the likes of Jiraiya when he's at his worst, rather than his best? To me, that has always been really clear cut (though I know it isn't to others).


Itachi not being bad would be a twist, for sure, and, depending on the backstory we will eventually be presented with, it's still possible, at least from a narrative perspective.

I don't deny it's possible. Certainly, it's possible. But I do think that there is flimsy evidence for it at this stage. Who knows what will be revealed, like you say, and I'll say 'good call' to all those who believe he is good if that's how he turns out. But I for one, will think it's a terrible twist (for reasons too detailed to get into here).

Damn. I just realised this is a predictions thread. :notrust

OK...next chapter I predict that Itachi will reveal something important to Sasuke and he won't turn good! And Tsunade will send ANBU after Jiraiya to make sure he's all right.

narutofreak1129
August 26, 2007, 05:11 PM
naruto's mother isnt pein omg will u guys go read the legends

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 05:24 PM
I took this to mean that Itachi is economical in his killing. He doesn't waste energy by killing people he has no quarrel with (he had a big quarrel with his clan, which is why he took the trouble to kill every single one of them). He did say to Kisame that the last thing they wanted was to 'draw attention to themselves and attract Konoha back-up'. I don't think he wanted to waste time killing people when he had a job to get on with.

And as for the 'fleeing Jiraiya' thing, well, he said himself he was out of chakra and taking on Jiraya was a big deal even for the two of them. He's smart and economical. Why, after having used his chakra and his sharingan twice in one day would he risk his life fighting the likes of Jiraiya when he's at his worst, rather than his best? To me, that has always been really clear cut (though I know it isn't to others).

I think you hit the nail on the head right there. Itachi needs a reason to kill not just "because" like some maniac. His killing his clan served a much larger purpose which has not yet been revealed I am certain of that.

Also, why would he want to start a war with Konoha when only Naruto was his target? It just isn't smart. They came to Konoha for one guy and a Shinobi is supposed to idealy use stealth to take on his mission. So not killing Kakashi and allowing him to experience his MS power was a way of deterring further resistance. He's making a point that if Itachi is in front of you all you can do is run or surrender. Its just smarter to leave your opponents feeling intimidated and helpless rather then having to kill them all.

Also, taking on Jiriaya to get to Naruto was a bad idea as well. Jiriaya is a Kage level ninja, you dont take on one of those guys unless you absolutely had too and Itachi knew he still had a good deal of time to capture Naruto so he chose patience.

Here is a thought. What if Itachi is keeping Sasuke alive to steal hi eyes? We know he is going blind so maybe he wants Sasuke alive so he can his him for a transplant. Kind of off the wall but Itachi is a heartless SOB so I wouldnt put it beneath him.

Nihongaeri
August 26, 2007, 05:58 PM
Well, in that case, how do we know what Kishi's intention is? I suppose we have to wait for the databook?Well, that's assuming we even get another databook. But, yes, at this point we can only technically guess. That said, I still would still insist that "Pain" is by far the most plausible choice. Most all names in Naruto have some form of meaning/story behind them, and Kishimoto having chosen the name purely "for the sound" (which would be a prerequisite for insisting "Pein" to be the "correct" transliteration) would very much so go against this grain.
"Why did you do it?" Sasuke asks. "To measure my capacity," Itachi replies.Good or evil, guilty or not, I'm personally expecting there to be a significantly greater reason behind the Uchiha mass murder other than a pubescent jaded brat going off on some sort of prima donna psychopathic ego-trip merely to assess his own potential.

And just for the record, I'm not particularly a card-carrying member of the "good Itachi" theory, although I do much prefer it to the "Tobi=Obito" theory that refuses to die.


...

Predictions...

In 368 there will be no significant revelations and we won't receive any more for the next ten chapters because Kishimoto is and always has been a huge tease.

ornis
August 26, 2007, 05:59 PM
@Espada82

I must say that the heartless SOB note remains an opinion. We don't know how Itachi defines heartless, how "warm" his family felt to him. The usual perception may not be his idea of the best rearing atmosphere---for his goals, anyway.

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Must predict btw:

Karin may ask about some shifty chakra she felt during Sasuke's tussle in the cave.

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 06:16 PM
I must say that the heartless SOB note remains an opinion. We don't know how Itachi defines heartless, how "warm" his family felt to him. The usual perception may not be his idea of the best rearing atmosphere---for his goals, anyway.

Come again? I'd say wiping out your whole clan is heartless, Not really interested in what Itachi "feels" because he obviously is not a normal person with a normal range of emotions.

Prediction: Itachi will reveal he really is a murderous, parent killing bastard, just as we all already knew.

ornis
August 26, 2007, 07:18 PM
Good or evil, guilty or not, I'm personally expecting there to be a significantly greater reason behind the Uchiha mass murder other than a pubescent jaded brat going off on some sort of prima donna psychopathic ego-trip merely to assess his own potential.

And just for the record, I'm not particularly a card-carrying member of the "good Itachi" theory, although I do much prefer it to the "Tobi=Obito" theory that refuses to die.


Hitching on here, I'd say if there rests a viable reason behind "Itachi's" rampage, without moral conviction, good or evil notions can't define his methods; he frankly supported his purpose over his family's.

@ Espada82

I'm considering a less subjective view of the situation... not just calling a spade a spade if you will. Goal-orientation feels to be more of his concern, so to grasp being in the same boots, I will not egocentrically examine Itachi here. My bias can get in the way.

Konkun
August 26, 2007, 07:26 PM
Since we are getting a major revelation of Narutos lineage, I suspect we will get some shocking revelation about Sasukes clan as well. Perhaps Itachi will reveal his true intention for killing his clan, or if he killed them at all. My prediction- Itachi will tell Sasuke the truth behing the massacre of the clan, and he will tell Sasuke about the secret of the Organization.

ornis
August 26, 2007, 07:36 PM
Revealing whether or not Itachi murdered his clan seems doable now... don't know if this soon, but definitely doable. Besides, it could lessen the stereotype he's framed himself in for an audience to pin him either good or bad---allowing us to question our impulses hopefully more than not.

jaadgo
August 26, 2007, 07:40 PM
ok this is gonna be REALLY far-fetched so just bear with me...

first, im finally glad that naruto's parents have finally been confirmed, makes the story so much better. Now we see that Naruto actually will become a hokage like his dad...eventually.

ok on to predictions:

1. So the sasuke and itachi thing is kinda fishy. Theres no way that sasuke killed itachi that easily, but i do agree that he did injure him somehow. Itachi never activated MS so it wasnt genjutsu. And when have we ever seen bunshins bleed? Not only that but itachi never once fought back almost like he's squaring sasuke up (seeing how strong he's gotten). He did acknowledge his brothers increased strength but never seemed worried. I think the reason he decided to have sasuke meet him at the uchiha hideout was to convince him to activate the MS, which is what the conversation with naruto was about. Im thinking that it was actually a bunshin talking to naruto, while the real itachi was searching for sasuke. which is why he left so quickly. Itachi must have told naruto to meet him up at the uchiha hideout, promising that sasuke will be there. Itachi will probably lock naruto in genjutsu so sasuke can attempt to kill him easily and obtain MS. Itachi may possibly reveal that he was not even the bad guy to begin with, that it was in fact tobi that assasinated the uchihas, which is why he needs sasuke. I think the reason why is because itachi knows that obi-tobi-madara is way too strong and needs help of a fellow MS user to even have a chance (anyone think itachi knows of kakashi's MS?). Maybe sasuke will have a change of heart.

2. Jiraiya. He will die, just not yet. I think people are taking Pein's true strength outta proportion. theres no way he could defeat jiraiya so easily. if he was, why didnt he just take down konoha himself? ok he's prolly is powerful just cause of the fact that he's that akatsuki leader, but i think only tobi is capable of killing a sannin. He may get help from BH akatsuki girl, but they wont succeed. Then again BH could also distract Jiraiya with some type of naked jutsu and pein cold knife him in the back lol jp.

3. Back to the itachi sasuke thing. I just realized something, what about kabuto? He all of a sudden is mixed with Oro and then disappears?! im sure he has a big part in this too. Ok to all MH readers, the following will be extremely, and i do mean extremely exaggerated but it is possible. Ok im thinking that the uchihas could be in some serious trouble. Kabutorochimaru could now stand a chance in absorbing itachi with his newly found powers. think about it, kabuto is an excellent med nin powers almost at tsunades level, he uses genjutsu also, and top that off with everthing oro has and something very frightening. Itachi could be taken down with something on that level. Then theres sasuke... we have no accurate info, just speculation that sasuke killed oro. it may seem like that, but why can he use the same white snake powers now? Oro isnt dead, prolly just biding his time. Im thinking oro developed a technique that allows him to take over several peoples bodies. he was defeated too easily. im sure he knew of the chances of a mutiny from sasuke and planned accordingly. he could have forseen this and allowed sasuke to "defeat" him temporarily while, he's actually taking sasuke over from the inside. Which now leaves 2 Oros running around. the narutoverse is in trouble.

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 07:43 PM
Revealing whether or not Itachi murdered his clan seems doable now... don't know if this soon, but definitely doable. Besides, it could lessen the stereotype he's framed himself in for an audience to pin him either good or bad---allowing us to question our impulses hopefully more than not.

You are very thoughtful on these matters. i think perhaps to much so. It seems certain to me that Itachi did kill his clan, further establishing that seems unnecessary and Kishi wont do it. Rather I think we will get a clear answer as to why Itachi spared Sasuke in the next chapter, and I am certain this has something to do with the history of the Uchiha

ornis
August 26, 2007, 09:13 PM
@ Espada82

If you're right, the act will be redundant. Else, Itachi has a way to quell our emotions. Or some of us may just claim him good instead of bad. Moreover, (if else) I'll anticipate some argumentative disgust, with those being disappointed discussing their collective objection. Still, Kishi's MO does have the say in this. I don't doubt that your point remains a sensible course of action....


ok this is gonna be REALLY far-fetched so just bear with me...

first, im finally glad that naruto's parents have finally been confirmed, makes the story so much better. Now we see that Naruto actually will become a hokage like his dad...eventually.

ok on to predictions:

1. So the sasuke and itachi thing is kinda fishy. Theres no way that sasuke killed itachi that easily, but i do agree that he did injure him somehow. Itachi never activated MS so it wasnt genjutsu. And when have we ever seen bunshins bleed?


1. Against Neji, Naruto's clone bled. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume12.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=32327)

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 09:19 PM
If you're right, the act will be redundant. Else, Itachi has a way to quell our emotions. Or some of us may just claim him good instead of bad.

I disagree. Itachi's answer for slaughtering his clan and sparing Sasuke was cryptic at best. Going through the motions to get clear answers, and hopefully more details about the Uchiha clans purpose, will be well worth it, and I doubt many will complain. Next chapter will be very very interesting.

ornis
August 26, 2007, 09:29 PM
I believe you switched bases there:


It seems certain to me that Itachi did kill his clan, further establishing that seems unnecessary and Kishi wont do it. Rather I think we will get a clear answer as to why Itachi spared Sasuke in the next chapter

You just said it would be unnecessary to go back over it---that only knowing why he spared Sasuke would be of interest.
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By the way, I should have targeted the part of your post that I was addressing all along. //My bad >.>;

Espada82
August 26, 2007, 09:36 PM
You just said it would be unnecessary to go back over it---that only knowing why he spared Sasuke would be of interest.

My bad What i was addressing was the notion that some beleive Itachi DID NOT kill his clan and that he is really still good. My point was that he is certainly BAD and did kill his clan so Kishi wont be establishing that again, but rather he will give more clearity as to Itachi's motivation for the slaughter and his purpose for Sasuke. Hope we are all cleared up now, seems we just had a miscommunication.

smily00122
August 26, 2007, 10:39 PM
The chance someone said this is probably really high, but I hope I came with this idea before anyone else did. I had this idea down for some time, ever since Tobi's identity was proclaimed. I didn't have the chance to read past posts from members as it would have taken me ten years to complete.

It might be crazy and all but what's the chance that Itachi didn't kill his clan instead it was someone else. What if Madara Uchiha/Tobi set him up. I mean all of Uchiha has the power to make illusions, what if Itachi was the only person who had the chance to take him down and there for Tobi tried to use Sasuke to try to bring him down.

I mean when you think about it Itachi was the number one ninja from the village and when ever he fought with Konoha ninja he never kills them but just wounds them really badly.

Nvm, I just read like the previous five posts and it seems people have already been discussing this issue.

genkigemini
August 26, 2007, 10:56 PM
Well, I am new around here but I wanted to respond anyway,

1) Good Itachi... You know, I have to be honest and say that I'd never even considered the possibility that Itachi had not killed his clan and although some of you make good points, I have trouble believing it. I mean, I feel like Sasuke's character would be somewhat diminished if after all this time he was getting stronger to fight the wrong person?! O_o... Somehow, I just wouldn't buy it. (Then again, if written well than I am sure I'd come around so I will not speak out too badly.)

2) Pain = Naruto's brother or uncle?... My whole theroy on this is that there has to be SOME reason why he looks so much like Naruto and Yondaime but my first though was maybe another Orochimaru experiment. Sort of like Yamato is infused with the firsts skills, etc... Maybe Pain is infused with the cells of the 4th? Just a thought.

3) Naruto's parents... I really liked that whole section but I am personally really hoping that his mother is dead. Hasn't Naruto already had enough pain in his life. I think knowing his parents were dead but noble people would be so much better. (I am pretty anti-emo)

4) Jiraya... I want to say he will not die just yet because I do not want him too but I am so unsure at this point. Right now I feel like the only person "safe" at the moment is Naruto and probably Sakura and Sasuke. Other than that, I have a feeling anyone could go at any moment.

The manga is just SOOOOOOOOOOOOO amazingly good right now! I can not wait until next week!

Nice to meet you all! :)

MrCheekz213
August 27, 2007, 12:49 AM
I was thinking that it would be pretty cool if BH was from Naruto's Clan and if somehow they met and she taught him some of their clans unique jutsus

birama
August 27, 2007, 12:52 AM
After reading Naruto 367 alot of times, i came to realize that the FATHER of NARUTO IS THE FOURTH HOKAGE.
N367:

pg 10

tsunade: " ..........you even taught him the rasengan. "
Jiraiya: " .............it just felt like I was teaching Minato again......"

pg 12

tsunade: "..................But Naruto does look like HIS FATHER. "
Jiraiya: " That's why i say I see HIM in NARUTO. "

END

genkigemini
August 27, 2007, 12:55 AM
After reading Naruto 367 alot of times, i came to realize that the FATHER of NARUTO IS THE FOURTH HOKAGE.
N367:

pg 10

tsunade: " ..........you even taught him the rasengan. "
Jiraiya: " .............it just felt like I was teaching Minato again......"

pg 12

tsunade: "..................But Naruto does look like HIS FATHER. "
Jiraiya: " That's why i say I see HIM in NARUTO. "

END

Oh, I completely agree 100%. Actually, I thought that was a given... guess not...

Now I want to know WHY Yondaime sealed the Kyuubi in Naruto. Was it because he knew his kid would be strong enough to handle it?!?! :o

CheckMate
August 27, 2007, 12:56 AM
After reading Naruto 367 alot of times, i came to realize that the FATHER of NARUTO IS THE FOURTH HOKAGE.
N367:

pg 10

tsunade: " ..........you even taught him the rasengan. "
Jiraiya: " .............it just felt like I was teaching Minato again......"

pg 12

tsunade: "..................But Naruto does look like HIS FATHER. "
Jiraiya: " That's why i say I see HIM in NARUTO. "

END


That must be the revelation of the decade :p

C'mon what have you been thinking then? Or you just joking?


Jiraiya is having a hard time for sure. But he will not die, yet.
Goadime hokage will send Team Gai and Shikamaru to assist him there.
Jee, Team Gai is the first team appears after the time skip, but we have only seen them less in action.

Hope its the right momentum.. :)

visavis
August 27, 2007, 01:08 AM
I think it will be very difficult to predict what will happen in the next chapter, so I will try and make a prediction for I guess the next couple chapters instead.

I think that, in typical suspense holding kishi style, we will not see much from the jiraiya end next chapter, maybe if we are lucky we will see the beginning of his confrontation, or him starting to make his way into the village. I think we will see more from the naruto & gang end for the next chapter or two. I think we will find out the true background to the Uchiha clan, what Itachi is really up to (as he is clearly baiting sasuke around) and perhaps see the contents of the book given to Naruto. One thing is clear, though, things are about to get really interesting. We know Naruto's background now, but HE still doesn't know yet, which makes me think he might figure it out (which would be a huge advancement of his character) or more typically, be told a few times until he can't believe anything else. We know Jiraiya has 'to some extent' infiltrated the akatsuki hideout village, but BOTH jiraiya, AND pein know that they are both there. 'in the last two pages of ch. 367 jiraiya says something like "well, infiltrating this area was easy, .......... or at least it seemed like it" which conveys that he realizes that akatsuki or at least pein knows his presence is there.

Although there is a very strong hint, or so i believe, that Jiraiya will die, i really hope he doesn't. Kishi has created an interesting paradox where Jiraiya is conveyed as this remarkably strong ninja, of whom we have not yet seen his full capability, but he's going up against the two (possibly strongest) akatsuki members. So if he dies, i'm not sure how much that will undermine his strength or not.

Either way, I think that one of two things will happen with Jiraiya:

1) Infiltrate, be confronted by Pein, and then leave. This would make sense, given as his purpose is NOT to fight pein, but rather to confirm that he is actually there.

2) He will Infiltrate, be confronted by Pein and be somehow either compelled to stay, or not able to leave, thus forcing him into a fight he cannot win. If this happens I suspect that it will be 2 against 1 vs. Jiraiya, and that Jiraiya will manage to kill one Akatsuki member, but not the other. I think the surviving ninja in this case would be Pein, leading to an inevitable Pein vs. Naruto showdown, which seems very likely already.

As for the 'root' line, I have no idea what will or could happen with that, it could really be anything. The organization gets so little coverage in this manga that its really tough to predict what they could, or could not do.

Sorry for the long post, I've enjoyed everyone else's predictions up to this point.

-Oh, just a thought. What if yondaime used Naruto's mother's soul to seal the Kyuubi inside him, making him even more similar to Gaara in background?

Heliades
August 27, 2007, 01:44 AM
First time poster so be gentle but here are my predictions for the upcoming chapters.

1. Jiraiya - Kishimoto is throwing us hints left and right that hes going to be killed in his inevidable fight with BH/Pein. I think hes purposely leading us to believe this so he can surprise us. I think he will at least defeat the BH girl and maybe even Pein as well but he will be no match for Tobi/Madara. In the offchance Jiraiya does die he will take someone with him. I think we are in store for some tear jerking chapters involving jiraiyas past because when you think about it we can trace lineage to everyone from konoha except him. Every person from konoha has had a family member mentioned in the series except for jiraiya we even had a tiny glimpse at orochimarus family.

2. Narutos parents - I presume both are dead but later when naruto finds out about his parents that kakashi will present him with at least a picture or some item that was precious to yondaime like his favourite forhead protector or something like that. Perhaps yondaime even sealed a message inside naruto along with the kyuubi. I think yondaime chose naruto above all others because no one else loved the village enough to risk their only child in the process. And personally I think the kyuubi is holding narutos powers back.

3. Itachi - I think hes a good person. I am leaning toward the fact that tobi or some other akatsuki member whiped out the uchiha clan but itachi was too late to help them and sasuke showed up at the same time he did. From what I can remember itachi hasnt killed anyone hes always been merciful. Givin he doesnt really care about anyone that isnt in his own personal agenda like he could care less if naruto dies and akatsuki obtains the kyuubi all he cares about is his revenge and his brother.

4. Tobi/Madara - I think its still possible that tobi is not madara. He could of simply used this as a reference to the sharingan. Perhaps madara was the first person to obtain the sharingan. Or simply killed madara and took it from him. Either way hes our main villain now and I can see him killing itachi and really pissing sasuke off.

5. Pein/BH Girl - We will definately see what motivates them in the next couple of chapters but pein to me seems a lot like itachi. I get the feeling he has his own hidden agenda. I do like the yamato reference that Pein is another one of orochimarus test subjects but I doubt it. I also doubt any relationship to naruto simply because he has similar hair if we judged lineage simply because of hair tobi could probably be the long lost sarutobi brother.

6. Naruto - Naruto is definately lacking in power and speed. I can see him learning a new jutsu pretty soon or accidently stumbling onto a hidden power during a fight with someone and later finding out why he has it. I definately see him learning a speed jutsu similar to hiraishin because to me thats what seperates naruto from his father. The title of yellow flash and the speed of his techniques. Naruto is a genius in his own way.

silvermane
August 27, 2007, 02:04 AM
its going to be talking for sure.... just a question of who its going to be between....
i'm hoping its goign to have more information about naruto but thats almost impossible( its taken kishi 360+ chapters to give us one bit i dont think he'll overdo it now)

most likely its jiraiya and pien meeting up. itachi and sasuke having another talk....

CheckMate
August 27, 2007, 02:19 AM
Sasuke might be already in Genjutsu at the time he arrived on that day. Itachi, casted him under genjutsu and led him to believe that Itachi is the one that holds the responsible.

However, why did he do that, no one knows, and the answer will be at the hidden shrine at Uchiha area.

But I guess for next week chapter, we will only mainly see Jiraiya meets the Leader..and maybe a little part for Naruto.

rajuchacha
August 27, 2007, 03:41 AM
pein looks fairly young, maybe a few years older than naruto,
and familiarity is still undeniable between the twos ie.. naruto and
pein, what if they are brothers
[hr]
about the prediction, its too difficult to write anything,

kishi has shown the fighting styles of tsunade(tsunade vs oro fight)
and oro(oro vs naruto) among the sanins only jiraiya is left to fight,
and show his true colors.

kishi will not reveal peins fighting style untill its his last fight thats for
sure, and if he fights jiraiya then its his last fight or kishi will not show us
jiraiya's true power, and i dont think he will disappoint his fans so i think
jiraiya willl fight tobi or the girl akatsuki no.2, may be it the girl who will
fight jiraiya.

matrice
August 27, 2007, 04:48 AM
I don't think that Jiraya is going to die. In my opinion Orochimaru's death was already too much, he can't kill two out of three sannin. Abaut Naruto being told the truth about his parents, I bet that the one who will tell him that wouold be the Kyubi. I already see the scene: Naruto has difficulties during a fight (maybe against Pein) and is completely alone, maybe Sakura tries to help him but can't do anything and is wounded. Then he get really angry and has a talk with the Kyubi, that finally decides to be a good boy and to lend him his power without treatening his/his friends life and/or mental health.

kadoman
August 27, 2007, 05:12 AM
Good or evil, guilty or not, I'm personally expecting there to be a significantly greater reason behind the Uchiha mass murder other than a pubescent jaded brat going off on some sort of prima donna psychopathic ego-trip merely to assess his own potential.

Haha! Well, 'pubescent jaded brat' is one way of describing him. I took him to be a maverick and an idealist (but I am amused now by the notion that perhaps they mean the same thing after all). :amuse

He was at odds with what the Uchiha clan should be and what it actually was, or had become, in his words. To paraphrase, it had become complacent and unambitious, unworthy of its reputation and bereft of pride (and potential), and for this state of being, he blamed its leaders - leaders such as his father.

Basically, he thought the clan had failed as a clan and therefore did not deserve to go on. I guess it depends on your position as to whether you label that psychopathic (almost certainly!), egotistical, (definitely), brattish (yup) or the behaviour of a genius idealist (that too). I think he's all of those things.

To bring this in to Predictions relevance, I'd say that over the next few chapters we're going to get our answers as to the exact reason he did away with the clan. I'd say that next chapter, we'll get our first hint of whether or not he did kill his clan with his own hands. I'm fairly confident of that. Might not be the full explanation - but we'll get more clues to go by. I think he's going to explain to Sasuke why he spared him.

*Interestingly, the VIZ translation has Itachi saying, 'Because I had to' when Sasukes asks him again why he did it. So actually, that lends more weight to the 'he didn't do it theory'. Does he mean he 'had to' because he was forced or he 'had to' because he had a burning desire to do it? We're very close to finding out!

sreee
August 27, 2007, 08:20 AM
First:
Just like Asuma was killed to show the talent of shikamaru( asuma was killed by hidan in a godly fashion, then shikamaru blasts hidan into oblivion royally),
I can see that for naruto to progress and improve at an exponential rate, AL is going to own and kill jiraya almost easily, without much damage( to imprint
the idea that AL >> jiraya) and naruto trains and grows exponentially to take revenge on AL ( to show how much potential Naruto has and how powerful he
could be if he is serious).
All I am to say is Jiraya would be killed pretty quick and be shocked of the immense power/abilities of AL.
No, Tobi and Jiraya will not encounter, as tobi is gonna be sasuke's opponent.



Second:
I think AL and Yondi could be siblings rather than AL and Naruto being siblings - My reasoning? too much of apparent age gap between AL and Naruto...i mean, if AL is the leader of Akatsuki from the start... which should be abt 10 y old organization, AL should be pretty powerful by the time Naruto reached approx 2-4 years, which would be the level yondi probably was at that time. And considering Yondi to be a genious, AL under this theory could aso be a genious a very near relative to yondi. It must have something to do with yondi's past.

Ok suppose no one knew about naruto's parents, what happened to yondy's parents? Were they killed at the time of konoha's attack? If they werent , and if they were alive in konoha after the incident with kyuubi, why did they not caim the ownership of naruto?

Or Is yondy from another village? Is it the same as naruto's mom?
Suppose Yondi or his parents are from outside village, then it could explain the same faces of Yondi and AL. Yondi could be a blood relative of AL.
Both are powerful and geniouses(Here I presume AL to be a genious, no offence here, its only a guess).



Third:
Some history regarding kyuubi and its role in Uchiha's Dark history could be revealed, the sharingan's true nature or "Purpose"/ the reason for tobi ( an Uchiha) behind Akatsuki hidden agenda could be related to this incident.Some fighting followed by some dialogues could be shown.



Fourth:
SAI!!! and ROOTS!!!
Now as every one expects from the introduction of Danzo, as the leader of roots organization with a grudge againt the sandaime, him assigning a secret mission to sai, orochimaru's involvement, jiraya's warning, I would like to make two premises/predictions:
1 . Roots simply want to take over konoha and its fight and domination could be a next arc after the akatsuki arc.
2. Roots may know something about the dark history about the Uchiha clan, and thier plans for some thing which involved the Kyuubi, and they could like to be either on the uchiha's side or against them.
Bothe of the options are quite interesting.



Fifth:
Regarding naruto's mom, I can about her to be from a different country, from a village which either dissapared in the wars or renamed.
She or her parents could have likely migrated to konoha, but I strongly beleive it is only her alone to have entered konoha, and was raised there.

But I dont think that AL could be related to Naruto's mom in any way!



I am only spectulating these incidents,any constructive cririsizm and comments are invited.

Littlewig
August 27, 2007, 09:05 AM
If Tsunade sends anyone to help Jiraiya, it will only to be to help Jiraiya escape, and not fight. Konoha doesn't want to be involved in the civil war that is going on in the Rain Village.

Neji, Gai, Lee, Shikamaru, Tenten would make a good team for extraction. Two close range fighters, 2 long range fighters, and 1 all around fighter, a team perfect for any situation.


I think the focus will be why Uchiha even has a hidden hideout outside konoha, I'm surprised that no one really wonders why they have one anymore. Seems like people just accepted the oddity after it was first introduced when it was first viewed as weird.

kluzman
August 27, 2007, 09:12 AM
I think the focus will be why Uchiha even has a hidden hideout outside konoha, I'm surprised that no one really wonders why they have one anymore. Seems like people just accepted the oddity after it was first introduced when it was first viewed as weird.

You're right this is something we should be wondering about.
The feeling it gives me is this : Uchihas are soooo proud of themselves and so confident in their own powers that they don't feel they belong to Konoha specifically (True they were Konoha's police.. but this task holds enough pride that they would do it not for the same reasons as the hokages would have). So they just do their business anywhere they feel like doing it.
*I have troubles saying what I want to say in english lol hope you get my point... this is more about a general feeling they would have (or in this case "not have") toward Konoha*

Nodini 2.0
August 27, 2007, 09:23 AM
Couldn´t naruto be the yonda´s little brother??

it could be...that they have the same blood, probable, to put the kyubi in someone besides the summoner of the death god that would need the same blood (guessing)... and it would be much cooler than the daddy thing... lol

but jiraya´s quote about naruto being almost grandson confuses me, and puts this theory on the side

Pain might have something to do with naruto, don´t they´re brother´s...

i even think that the whirpool country his now part of konoha, and that the whirpool on the ninjas wearings is a symbol of the old alliance between the countries... we shall see...

Non-Life
August 27, 2007, 09:29 AM
Couldn´t naruto be the yonda´s little brother??

it could be...that they have the same blood, probable, to put the kyubi in someone besides the summoner of the death god that would need the same blood (guessing)... and it would be much cooler than the daddy thing... lol

but jiraya´s quote about naruto being almost grandson confuses me, and puts this theory on the side

Pain might have something to do with naruto, don´t they´re brother´s...

i even think that the whirpool country his now part of konoha, and that the whirpool on the ninjas wearings is a symbol of the old alliance between the countries... we shall see...

What was revealed in 367 is now written in stone-Naruto is the 4th's son.

wooticus
August 27, 2007, 09:36 AM
i wonder which uchiha hideout itachi is talking about.. maybe he is speaking about this temple in konoha.. that would mean sasuke is going to return to konohagakure!

razielkun1982
August 27, 2007, 09:48 AM
I think the focus will be why Uchiha even has a hidden hideout outside konoha, I'm surprised that no one really wonders why they have one anymore. Seems like people just accepted the oddity after it was first introduced when it was first viewed as weird.

I do wonder about this but I cant come up with any good explanations, just pure speculation. But I think we will get answers to all that soon enough. I just have the feeling the Uchihas had their little agenda besides their Konoha lives. Who knows what the hell they were up to, but those secret meetings and their eagerness for Itachi to be in an important position with the ANBU, pluss some things Fugaku mentioned along the way just made me have that feeling. They were clearly trying to use Itachi as a conection, who knows why, the possibilities are numerous but nothing is certain yet.

About the Root , well.. just think about when they were first mentioned, wasnt it when Sai was sent to kill Sasuke? (correct me if Im wrong, but Im quite sure it was around that time). Why would they try to murder Sasuke? it was a very dangerous mission to send someone to infiltrate Orochimaru's side just to kill a missing nin who had done nothing to Konoha (other that running away to their enemy). If they wanted to avoid Sasuke to give them information then first, Sasuke was very young when he left, I doubt he had any important info to give to them. Second: they were like 2 and a half years late. So that was not the reason, then why? they didnt want Orochimaru to get the Sharingan? was there anything else?
Again, there are many possibilities. If Jiraiya told Tsunade to be careful then he surely knows something. Sai being suddenly absent is waaaay too suspicious. Whats even worse is that nobody mentioned it, so its just too strange. It cant be that they havent noticed his absense, plus he was with Kakashi's dogs. then ?

My prediction is that next chapter we will get to see what Sai is up to (maybe he found or was found by Tobi/Madara?), we will see Naruto with Konoha's team ( he may choose to keep silent about his little meeting with Itachi?, he may tell them he knows where Sasuke is?), we may get to see Sasuke talking to Hebi, kind of explaining a bit what happened inside the cave, and the last pages Jiraiya meeting Pein. and then we will have to wait a whole other week as usual, another agonizing week that never seems to reach friday (thursday for raws if we are really lucky).


Oh, this is pretty much out of the blue, but yesterday I was re-reading my scans of the chapter when Itachi "killed" the Uchihas, then you know when Sasuke enters his house then he goes to the place where his parents were killed, someone tells him "Sasuke dont come in" or something along the lines, who was that? I couldnt figure if it was Itachi or if it was one of his parents, meaning either one or both were still alive right before he opened the door. Sorry about this, I was just wondering and I thought maybe someone knew or this had been discussed and a conlusion had been reached, thanks!

Nodini 2.0
August 27, 2007, 10:10 AM
What was revealed in 367 is now written in stone-Naruto is the 4th's son.

Still, there´s something missing... for what reason naruto wasn´t given the name of his father?? to protect him?? from what??

in konoha everybody seems to know that naruto has the kyubii inside him. and most of them hate him for that. there´s nobody who would see him has the yondas son, and has such, a victim in the all process. not even the third gave him anything that belonged to his father, nothing?? In such manga, the ancestors and parents heritage seem to have much weight in the characters development, not telling naruto after all this time, seems kinda odd, expect a pretty good story arc...lol
kakashi saw naruto has the kyubi brat from the beginning, did he not knew that was his former´s master son??
the akatsuki weren´t a problem, problaby, at the time naruto was born, why give him another name, and the primary objective of akatsuki his the kyubbi not the namikaze´s son?

only if they where expecting him to be a brat with perverted techniques that wanted to be hokage (to continue family tradition).... ohh wait that´s what he his right now :p :D

the bluehaired girl will beat the crap out of jiraya(won´t kill him), she has the big sister attitude with pein, probably he´ll just watch

Iwanin
August 27, 2007, 10:38 AM
*Interestingly, the VIZ translation has Itachi saying, 'Because I had to' when Sasukes asks him again why he did it. So actually, that lends more weight to the 'he didn't do it theory'. Does he mean he 'had to' because he was forced or he 'had to' because he had a burning desire to do it? We're very close to finding out!

Hmmm... I'm looking at the original Japanese here, right now...

When Sasuke asks him why, Itachi's answer is:

己の器を量るためだ

Onore no utsuwa wo hakaru tame da.

This line is tricky.

"Utsuwa" means container, for one, but more likely in this case, "fitness for a given role. Skill level. Greatness."

I would put the translation at:

"To ascertain my potential", or "To test myself."

When Sasuke complains that he killed everyone for something so stupid, Itachi replies:

それが重要なのだ。

Sore ga juuyou na no da.

"It's essential we (people) do so."

What has to be made clear is that, from the original Japanese, you can see Itachi is talking about "testing yourself" or "ascertaining your potential" as something people need to do in general (and that's why he did it), versus something *he himself* chose to do to ascertain his own potential.

So basically, he's just telling Sasuke he did "what he had to," but because we *all* have to "test ourselves."

That's how I'm reading it, anyway, and I'm probably right. ;)

shachi
August 27, 2007, 10:41 AM
1. I don't expect a conclusive battle between Pein/BH and Jiraiya. Akatsuki are 1 Bijuu away from an important goal, so what reason would there be to stay and fight?

2. Snake bump into Kisame and/or Konoha while looking for Sasuke.

3. Sasuke calls forth the Kusanagi sword but Orochimaru's head pops out and is all ITAAACHIIIIGHAGHAGHA!!!!1

kukuku

Ichigo
August 27, 2007, 10:44 AM
oh yeah i forgot, i think orochimaru or kabuto will play an important role up next.

Littlewig
August 27, 2007, 11:02 AM
Still, there´s something missing... for what reason naruto wasn´t given the name of his father?? to protect him?? from what??

in konoha everybody seems to know that naruto has the kyubii inside him. and most of them hate him for that. there´s nobody who would see him has the yondas son, and has such, a victim in the all process. not even the third gave him anything that belonged to his father, nothing?? In such manga, the ancestors and parents heritage seem to have much weight in the characters development, not telling naruto after all this time, seems kinda odd, expect a pretty good story arc...lol
kakashi saw naruto has the kyubi brat from the beginning, did he not knew that was his former´s master son??
the akatsuki weren´t a problem, problaby, at the time naruto was born, why give him another name, and the primary objective of akatsuki his the kyubbi not the namikaze´s son?

only if they where expecting him to be a brat with perverted techniques that wanted to be hokage (to continue family tradition).... ohh wait that´s what he his right now :p :D

the bluehaired girl will beat the crap out of jiraya(won´t kill him), she has the big sister attitude with pein, probably he´ll just watch


Easy answer, Naruto is a bastard and only few know he is the 4th's son, probably the ones that helped him during the sealing of the kyuubi or those close to the 4th Hokage.

It is probably seen as a negative for the Hokage to be married and have children while being Hokage, as it is seen as a distraction from the position.


That is why few know who Naruto's father is and why Naruto doesn't have his father's last name.

Gulio
August 27, 2007, 11:31 AM
Oro might pop up. Oro always wanted Itachi's body... Itachi fighting Sasuke... if ITachi is weakened, oro might "pop up" out of Sasuke's body and Take over itachi.


When you think about it, that's the only way of prolonging this series. Once Ata is gone, who else is there to battle? I konw the anime will go filler after filler. Heck the anime will probably have a toilette as an enemy soon enough, but if They want the series to go on, they need another antagonist, once Ata is gone... the emu bafoon kid Sasuke isn't enough.

franer
August 27, 2007, 11:32 AM
I think its more likely that Pein/Pain, whatever his name is, is the 4ths brother, because if there actually were another juicy sibling drama they wouldn't have draged it out this long unless they were planning to replace it with sasuke < - > itachi, which would be pretty lame considering they're both in akatsuki.
We know that Naruto got his mothers name, and the fact that Naruto's been alone all this time makes fairly obvious, in my opinion, that she's dead. Because.. well the whole naruto childhood tragedy would get a whole other dimension if he was abondoned by his mother aswell, it just doesn't fit.
My prediction about the next chapter is, as someone else stated in an earlier post, a history lesson, i mean come on, havent we learned anything from previous experiences? They're going to drag out the uchiha fight for ages, my guess is 4-5 chapters.
About jiraiya getting killed would suck major ass, i think he's just going to get badly hurt, mainly because he's too important as a comic relief to be killed of... and i just like his character too much to think anything else :). I mean, perverted hermit? Who else is going to jerk our chains if not jiraiya?

ornis
August 27, 2007, 11:33 AM
1. I don't expect a conclusive battle between Pein/BH and Jiraiya. Akatsuki are 1 Bijuu away from an important goal, so what reason would there be to stay and fight?

It may be a circumstance for Pein to run right through Jiraiya. Desiring to witness a new skill from Pein, I wonder how he could strike through Jiraiya while fleeing. However, it would be crucial for Pein to avoid any intel-leaking encounter, for if he is very proficient in storm jutsu, his arsenal may include some new Raiton tech. That's valuable info that Jiraiya could relay back to Naruto.

(All said with the assumption that Jiraiya shall survive... and that he could get the info back in time...)

bean
August 27, 2007, 12:13 PM
It may be a circumstance for Pein to run right through Jiraiya. Desiring to witness a new skill from Pein, I wonder how he could strike trough Jiraiya while fleeing. However, it would be crucial for Pein to avoid any intel-leaking encounter, for if he is very proficient in storm jutsu, his arsenal may include some new Raiton tech. That's valuable info that Jiraiya could relay back to Naruto.

(All said with the assumption that Jiraiya shall survive... and that he could get the info back in time...)

this may just be me, but I can't see jiraiya dying without having a heart to heart with naruto about his father. I'm surprised that he has held back so far from saying, "hey! this is almost like when I taught your dad, only he wasn't an idiot like you" I feel that he still has some part to play and can't die just yet. Maybe kishi is just pumping us up so that we know how hard it will be for jiraiya.

kadoman
August 27, 2007, 02:08 PM
Hmmm... I'm looking at the original Japanese here, right now...

When Sasuke asks him why, Itachi's answer is:

己の器を量るためだ

Onore no utsuwa wo hakaru tame da.

This line is tricky.

"Utsuwa" means container, for one, but more likely in this case, "fitness for a given role. Skill level. Greatness."

I would put the translation at:

"To ascertain my potential", or "To test myself."

When Sasuke complains that he killed everyone for something so stupid, Itachi replies:

それが重要なのだ。

Sore ga juuyou na no da.

"It's essential we (people) do so."

What has to be made clear is that, from the original Japanese, you can see Itachi is talking about "testing yourself" or "ascertaining your potential" as something people need to do in general (and that's why he did it), versus something *he himself* chose to do to ascertain his own potential.

So basically, he's just telling Sasuke he did "what he had to," but because we *all* have to "test ourselves."

That's how I'm reading it, anyway, and I'm probably right. ;)

Fantastic Iwanin. We can always count on you to set the record straight.:tem

The full VIZ trans from Volume 17 goes like this:

Sasuke: Why...why did you...
Itachi: To measure my capacity.
Sasuke: Measure your capacity? That's it? That's the only reason for killing everybody?
Itachi: I had to.

That's just to put his 'had to' in context.

Oh, I'm sure you're right too, Iwanin, in fact, I'm counting on it. I think that the VIZ trans sheds a slightly ambiguous light on it, don't you think? Because his 'had to' could be interpreted either way. Whereas your explanation doesn't leave that much room for interpretation, if I'm understanding you correctly?

Edit: Sorry for going off topic predictions wise, but it does sort of relate to next chapter in that I did predict we'd get the answer to this question next chapter.

Ukun
August 27, 2007, 02:38 PM
i even think that the whirpool country his now part of konoha, and that the whirpool on the ninjas wearings is a symbol of the old alliance between the countries... we shall see...

Actually, if you think about it, this could be true. Perhaps at one point or another the Whirlpool country became one with the Fire country, thus resulting in their current symbol:

http://www.399animeshop.com/anime/images/konoha-necklace1.jpg

If you look at it closely, it looks like a whirlpool with something taking it over on the left side. Just a thought. Of course their are wholes in this theory, like the fact that the symbol has been used for a long time. But I'm just saying, imo.

Also, I have a feeling the name 'Namikaze' will appear again and have a greater influence on the story. Naruto:Shippuden is translated as Naruto: Hurricane Chronicles, and Namikaze is translated as Wavewind which results in a hurricane.

Sarmad
August 27, 2007, 02:55 PM
There's a theory about Itachi having a secret alliance with Pein going around and i really like the very idea!

With all the family talk going on, we might face some big revelations in the near future. Which could be awesome, unless Kishimito screws it up. ^^

~ Itachi as Sasuke's older brother and Pein as Naruto's older brother ~ it would surely twist things. and also explain, at least a little, why Itachi needed to talk to Naruto AND Sasuke!

Itachi might've wanted to talk to Naruto, instead of capturing him, because Pein pleaded him to do so and to tell Naruto what he needed to know. Or he might've wanted to tell them both about their own plans.

It would also explain why Itachi was assigned to Naruto in the first place! Hence Itachi never intended to capture Naruto! And that might explain why he didn't fight Jiraiya! I'm not saying that this is prove for Jiraiya being weaker than Itachi :P - but this explains so much!

It's all speculation!


As for Predictions: I'd say that we either see further development on Jiraiya's journey or a continuation of Itachi's conversation with Naruto.

ShadowStrike
August 27, 2007, 03:34 PM
Actually, I think you guys are forgetting something, or at least Kishi is forgetting it. Somewhere in the story, Itachi actually permitted Kisame to cut off Naruto's arms. I believe, at least at that point of time, Naruto is just a target. Perhaps he wanted to talk to Naruto because of Sasuke. Maybe he wanted Naruto to give up on Sasuke because something's gonna happen to the latter.

daniel1983
August 27, 2007, 03:45 PM
I think Itachi was talking to both Naruto and Sasuke to lure them to the same location.

If the goal is to get Sasuke to obtain the MS....he would need to fight Naruto again and kill him....

I am also very interested in the past events where Uchiha Madara met the Ninetails.....

I think these plans were in effect once before.....Uchiha Madara screwed up so that is why the Ninetails attacked Konoha...

It seems tha Kishi likes to keep the past a mystery.....but I really expect several chapters of 'remembering' in the future.

Also, has Itachi ever said "I killed everyone in the clan" besides the night with Sasuke found everyone dead?

kadoman
August 27, 2007, 04:07 PM
Also, has Itachi ever said "I killed everyone in the clan" besides the night with Sasuke found everyone dead?

Not since he and Sasuke had this exchange:

Sasuke: Why...why did you...
Itachi: To measure my capacity.
Sasuke: Measure your capacity? That's it? That's the only reason for killing everybody?
Itachi: I had to.

The only other reference in front of Itachi is made by Kisame when, after Itachi says that Sasuke is his brother, Kisame says: "That's funny because the whole Uchiha clan was wiped out, the way I heard it...by you!"

Itachi does not respond.

Both are from Vol 17 and the trans is by VIZ. Hope that helps.

Sarmad
August 27, 2007, 04:21 PM
Actually, I think you guys are forgetting something, or at least Kishi is forgetting it. Somewhere in the story, Itachi actually permitted Kisame to cut off Naruto's arms. I believe, at least at that point of time, Naruto is just a target. Perhaps he wanted to talk to Naruto because of Sasuke. Maybe he wanted Naruto to give up on Sasuke because something's gonna happen to the latter.

Well, Itachi could have known that Jiraiya was a second away from saving Naruto from that! He can see chakra in color and through stuff ^^
And i can't remember Itachi ever allowing Kisame to let him cut off Naruto's arms. He just didn't respond to Kisame's suggestion!

zidane
August 27, 2007, 04:22 PM
maybe you have heard about the theorie, that madara/tobito (or Akatsuki) build "root" (you know, the organisation where Sai is from and about Jiraiya warned Tsunade)...and similar organisations in the other villages...well, my theorie is,...that Pein is related with Yondaime (´the hell know´s how) and so, Pein must be originally from Konoha!...so maybe Pein is Yondaime´s Brother, or Naruto´s Brother...and is in Root! just like Sai...his mission was to get to amegakure and take care of things there...so maybe he´s a good guy after all...

well, just one of a thousand possibilities...can´t wait till the first spoiler this weak...(somehow a good known feeling, hehe^^)

piscesking
August 27, 2007, 04:39 PM
I think you guys r thinking to much non of this will happen I think kishi got a twist for us

Ikasu
August 27, 2007, 04:45 PM
Yea...Most of the time people overthink the situation..When the simplest explanation is often the best explanation...I really find it quite humorous to read all these insane theories...such as tsunade being naruto's grandmother..lol...Where in the hell does that even come up?..Seems like some people have been puffing the magic dragon a bit too much ^.^.

Tweaker
August 27, 2007, 05:22 PM
i was going to write something very long but my prediction is that there is only going to be some talk between the people.

Jinoh
August 27, 2007, 05:27 PM
i don't think naruto looks THAT much like yondaime, besides a part of the hair and eyes, so i guess pein is the brother of Uzumaki Kushina, thus the genes of Kushina's DAD or w/e made it to Naruto and gave him those looks...

3atman
August 27, 2007, 05:34 PM
WOW, this was a bombshell chapter.....and arc in general.

Naruto's mother is from some fallen village called whirlpool...and has outrageous red hair....
and apparently they have similar ninjutsu styles....which says a lot given the somewhat unique nature of Naruto's ninjutsu.

At least that eliminates BH theories....but Pein's resemblance is still uncanny...and we've seen that physical resemblances matter in Naruto as Naruto himself DOES look just like his father (woot for everyone who called this) the fourth and all the other former genin also resemble their parents. I cant speculate on what this means however, as the 4th was a fairly young hokage and it would seem Naruto was his only child..... if his mother had another kid by someone else he almost certainly wouldn't resemble Minato....so whats the deal with Pein? An Uncle perhaps?

In the end the real questions are:

1: Why did Naruto take his mothers last name when he was in his fathers custody ::if the mom had been around the 4th would have told HER to make sure Naruto was viewed as a hero, not the 3ed::

2: Who else do we know with outrageous red hair? Karin anyone? Is she naruto's mom? Of course not.....but she is an idiot....so maybe she has some ties to the Uzamaki clan on the whirlpool side of things hmmm?

1. I think it was the third hokage the manga doesnt state much but if i remeber it does say that he forbid the village to tell naruto about the 9 tails im asumming the third had changed narutos name to his mothers to keep him hidden