Hunter x Hunter Hangout [00]

[Sachsenhesse]

well netero is fucked, but also the king the zero kannon let loose netero some "weight" if i see the last pic correctly netero now has lost all his weight :D so his final attack is about to start

[Dr. Vegapunk]

the world of HxH is incredibly huge, perhaps a warning from Netero to the king, telling him that there are far stronger opponents, I mean after all, Neteros Nen Power was solely power, there are a variety of tricks you can do with Nen. Neteros however was useless, seeing as Meruem(King) is almost indestructable.

However I think Netero might end up sacrificing himself with some UBER power. Stalemate as dual-loss rules (Something that Meruem was not expecting)

[Goral]

Explanation that Meruem could defeat Netero because of the ability of precognition which he gained playing go is the most ludicrous explanation Togashi ever came up with. That doesn't change the fact I really liked this chapter (even though the whole arc with ants is shitty compared to previous ones) and Netero simply destroys everyone. HxH is the best shounen that's still continuing (along with Gintama). /IMO

I wonder though what is Ryodan doing and how would Hisoka fare against the king. I'm a bit surprised we haven't seen them moving yet, after all bugs are a threat to them also.

[chikkychappy]

Explanation that Meruem could defeat Netero because of the ability of precognition which he gained playing go is the most ludicrous explanation Togashi ever came up with. That doesn't change the fact I really liked this chapter (even though the whole arc with ants is shitty compared to previous ones) and Netero simply destroys everyone. HxH is the best shounen that's still continuing (along with Gintama). /IMO


what's so ridiculous about it? i think it's perfect. gun-gi has countless combination, so are netero's palms. but each person has a "flow" a certain "character", that manifests whether they are playing gun-gi or fighting with nen or whatever else. by playing gun-gi, the king has been able to practice with determining a human's "flow", and applied it perfectly against netero. it's a form of precognition that finds a universal flow from particular attacks and from there try to determine what's going to happen next; it's not clairvoyance like palm's. i think it's amazing.

[Pavitre]

he'll make a zone for the humans to safely live in?

You stupid ant you should make a zone for yourself and your ugly species to live in, and not the other way around, on 2nd thought, get your ass to an island which isnt on any world map, so we can perm forget about you. shit there and live there

he'll select specific human as food sources?

go piss on yourself cause i'll fry your species like kabab and then eat them like gravy chicken

okay just had to get that out of the system

okay I was wrong to think this ant was changing for the better, these statements only point to the most obvious that he's still evil in a less ruthless way, but still an enemy of humanity

I told everyone before too netero was going to lose. The only person to ever defeat him will be Gon with Killua. netero was destined to lose as soon as it was evident that none of his attacks were working on him and now he's become really frail physically.

Juat to clear things out, I'm not bashing Netero but even he was pretty much thinking that he wouldn't come out of it alive unless his zero cannon worked on Ant, unfortunately he didnt.

This Ant is damn powerful, now the one other strong person left is that Killua's grand grandfather assassin guy(dont remember his name) and a powerful upgraded version of gon and killua

[ibra87]

Killua's grandfather won't likely return. He's already shown that after he does what he's paid for he will go away.

And there are still other strong characters around who maybe will make a cameo. I don't see Gon at any level near the president, since that would put him in the top level with little place to grow and without huge main character growth I don't see the manga going on for too long.

[Pavitre]

Killua's grandfather won't likely return. He's already shown that after he does what he's paid for he will go away.

And there are still other strong characters around who maybe will make a cameo. I don't see Gon at any level near the president, since that would put him in the top level with little place to grow and without huge main character growth I don't see the manga going on for too long.

I'm not talking about his grandfather lol he wouldnt stand a chance against Ant as far as he's shown. The one I;m talking about is the oldest assassin in that family, maha goldyck, he was hinted to be stronger than netero, not sure if he'll appear in ful blown battle scenario, still I hope for his appearance.

And yes I already said about Gon and killua getting themselves far stronger than what they are now, but since he's gonna be the one to defeat Ant so something big is gonna happen to both of them now

[ameya730]

this chapter was fanstastic from the fighting point of view but i was beyond godlike from the philosophy point of view.

for me the most fascinating part of the chapter were the statements of the king...

he would build a special zone only for humans
he would select specific humans amongst the rest as food sources

most of the people would consider the king to be evil based upon these words of his because it seems inhuman, almost barbaric. the mangaka has essentially made the king into a being who is superior to the humans in all aspect but thinks as humans do. even in real life have we not built special zones for animals to live in forever (zoo and sanctuaries). have we not selected specific animals as food sources.

i hope the king does not die the next chapter mainly because i see him becoming more and more human which is kinda ironic because he considers humans as worthless except for a select few.

[Navid.]

Really enjoyed this chapter, I like how Togashi can create some very powerful imagery with his line art... Also agree with Ameya's thoughts about the King and how his reasoning to some extent reflects that of humans in relation to species thought to be 'lower' then themselves.

This is the kind of stuff that puts HxH among my top mangas. :)

[Goral]

what's so ridiculous about it? i think it's perfect. gun-gi has countless combination, so are netero's palms. but each person has a "flow" a certain "character", that manifests whether they are playing gun-gi or fighting with nen or whatever else. by playing gun-gi, the king has been able to practice with determining a human's "flow", and applied it perfectly against netero. it's a form of precognition that finds a universal flow from particular attacks and from there try to determine what's going to happen next; it's not clairvoyance like palm's. i think it's amazing.
First of all gun-gi is a ridiculous game. A game that's supposed to be more complex than go and yet where both players would have the same chances to win is really hard to create. That's just Togashi's imagination. Second of all a game and a real fight are completely different things. Complex game can at best increase someone's strategic insight (although in the end it's just a game and in real battle they would most probably lose to experienced tactician that didn't play go/chess but coordinated many battles) but in real fight it wouldn't too much good because a fight and a game are completely different matters. Besides, in a fight there are several additional factors like randomness for example. It would suffice that Netero farted and that would already screw Meruem's calculations up. He could kick a stone towards king and it would also change the situation again.
Reading human's "flow" thanks to some game is a ridiculous concept. Firstly, even chess-masters can't read opponent's moves far ahead (at the end game they can but only because the number of reasonable moves decreases significantly). If they can then only because someone uses forceful variants when for every move there are only one or two logical responses. One of the greatest chessmasters of all time Richard Réti when asked how far ahead can he foresee moves ahead he said: one. And he was the chess player that set the world record for blindfold chess with twenty-nine games played simultaneously. He won twenty-one of these, drew six, and only lost two.
Secondly, there is no such thing as universal flow. Every attack is distinct and since as you said yourself Netero's palms had countless combinations he would not be able to discern attack. That's just a convenience that Togashi created to make king super strong. That's why I don't like this arc. Suddenly some ants appeared and in a moment they surpassed humans in every aspect. If that was the case I would say that all humans must die since some other beings evolved further than them. King's ability to learn everything and be super strong is plainly annoying to me. And he's the worst big boss I've ever seen in any manga. While Netero was a pure badass and totally awesome the bug was pathetic. "I'm all mighty and you can't defeat me, I will kill you in 5 seconds". Meh.

[Sherlock Holmes]

First of all gun-gi is a ridiculous game. A game that's supposed to be more complex than go and yet where both players would have the same chances to win is really hard to create. That's just Togashi's imagination. Second of all a game and a real fight are completely different things. Complex game can at best increase someone's strategic insight (although in the end it's just a game and in real battle they would most probably lose to experienced tactician that didn't play go/chess but coordinated many battles) but in real fight it wouldn't too much good because a fight and a game are completely different matters

I have to stop you here and say that as a fencer, that is completely wrong. Well, not completely. I mean we don't shoot lightning bolts in fencing or anything. But despite it being a sword fight, your objective 100% of the time isn't to simply beat your opponent. If you simply try to outdo him physically, you'll lose. You have to do outsmart your opponent, or else you are going to lose. It's all about thinking "if I attack here, he is going to defend here, then attack here, then I'll defend here...This will lead to...which will lead to..."

So, while I can't say that it applies to this situation with 100% accuracy, I can guarantee you that the better you are at chess and games like that, the easier it will be for you to become a good fencer.

[Pavitre]

yea I agree that to show netero at full power and then get defeated by some Ant who suddenly emerged claiming to be a multi hybrid of lives and not get damaged by any of neteros' attacks, and that too without him using any special moves of his own, that is just ridiculous, well atleast he's not like aizen, he did get torn in the last attack hehe, Aizen sama is untouchable

Anyway regarding the above posts, you cant master an intellectual game and then master fighting as well, UNLESS you'v got the physical capabilities to carry your strategies out. And in the case of the Ant well he's got plenty in that area so not surprised that he's very smart at fighting too. This trend of being good at intellectual game and then being good at fighting strategy too has been shown in a few other mangas as well, so no surprise their

but seriously that ant is really tough

[Goral]

(...) It's all about thinking "if I attack here, he is going to defend here, then attack here, then I'll defend here...This will lead to...which will lead to..."
Yeah, and how accurate is your guessing? Because it's guessing. In this sport there are no absolute dominators and even the best are defeated eventually, i.e. even if someone is agile enough and has outstanding reflexes and is good at chess he will still not be able to always win. King can guess with 100% accuracy which is ludicrous.


So, while I can't say that it applies to this situation with 100% accuracy, I can guarantee you that the better you are at chess and games like that, the easier it will be for you to become a good fencer.
:facepalm
If it was like that chess-masters would also dominate in fencing (at least some of them).
It's more like jan-ken-pon.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yeah, and how accurate is your guessing? Because it's guessing. In this sport there are no absolute dominators and even the best are defeated eventually, i.e. even if someone is agile enough and has outstanding reflexes and is good at chess he will still not be able to always win. King can guess with 100% accuracy which is ludicrous.

It's not guessing. Not even remotely close to guessing. You are not simply predicting, you are inducing your opponent to do something.
In fencing the accuracy of your "prediction" simply depends on the difference between your strategy level and your opponent's. An olympic fencer should get close to 100% on someone on my level, for example.


:facepalm
If it was like that chess-masters would also dominate in fencing (at least some of them).
It's more like jan-ken-pon.

No. Stop. Just stop. Don't compare fencing to jan ken pon. Just don't. That's about the most erroneous statement you could possibly make. That is like comparing soccer to dodge-ball.
Also, there are some famous chess-masters that are quite the fencers, for the record. Though since most famous chessmasters are anything but in a good physical form, it's not a relevant number.

It has been called "physical chess" by many great fencers, and even olympic fencers agree with that statement.

http://newsinfo.iu.edu/web/page/normal/5242.html


"I like the fact that you do not have to have tremendous natural ability to excel at fencing. Athleticism doesn't hurt, but the person who has better technique and strategy is usually going to win,"

http://thegauntlet.ca/story/12383


"People call it physical chess," says Epic Fencing Club president and University of Calgary student Brita Goldie. "It's very pre-planned. It's like, 'I'll do this and they'll do that and then I'll do this to counter it.' Before you do anything, especially in epeé, you figure out what you're going to do and what the other person's going to do in return."

Calling fencing physical chess is a common metaphor for those who practice fencing. I myself use it quite a lot, though I also like the term "physical poker" since I have a particular liking for bluffing that I can do moves that I most certainly am not even remotely close to being apt to attempting.

Note that the physical aspect still remains. You have to be at least decent physically to win in fencing. However, being able at planning and even being good at a mere game like chess certainly helps you to predict the flow of the battle, and I'm talking from experience. I'm sure you must have some experience with chess or go to hate the fictional game here, and that's fine. But please don't underestimate fencing and compare it to simple guessing.

[Tombadgerlock]

not only that, but the king was beginning to grasp "flows" before playing with the gungi girl- he was just doing it with people much less good.

Also, keep in mind the king, during the last chapter, took over a thousand hits to be able to cut Netero's arm.

That's not "100%", that's "forcing Netero to show his preferences till he can reasonably have a chance at hitting him." and then doing it over and over again until it succeeds.

[chikkychappy]

First of all gun-gi is a ridiculous game. A game that's supposed to be more complex than go and yet where both players would have the same chances to win is really hard to create. That's just Togashi's imagination. Second of all a game and a real fight are completely different things. Complex game can at best increase someone's strategic insight (although in the end it's just a game and in real battle they would most probably lose to experienced tactician that didn't play go/chess but coordinated many battles) but in real fight it wouldn't too much good because a fight and a game are completely different matters. Besides, in a fight there are several additional factors like randomness for example. It would suffice that Netero farted and that would already screw Meruem's calculations up. He could kick a stone towards king and it would also change the situation again.
Reading human's "flow" thanks to some game is a ridiculous concept. Firstly, even chess-masters can't read opponent's moves far ahead (at the end game they can but only because the number of reasonable moves decreases significantly). If they can then only because someone uses forceful variants when for every move there are only one or two logical responses. One of the greatest chessmasters of all time Richard Réti when asked how far ahead can he foresee moves ahead he said: one. And he was the chess player that set the world record for blindfold chess with twenty-nine games played simultaneously. He won twenty-one of these, drew six, and only lost two.
Secondly, there is no such thing as universal flow. Every attack is distinct and since as you said yourself Netero's palms had countless combinations he would not be able to discern attack. That's just a convenience that Togashi created to make king super strong. That's why I don't like this arc. Suddenly some ants appeared and in a moment they surpassed humans in every aspect. If that was the case I would say that all humans must die since some other beings evolved further than them. King's ability to learn everything and be super strong is plainly annoying to me. And he's the worst big boss I've ever seen in any manga. While Netero was a pure badass and totally awesome the bug was pathetic. "I'm all mighty and you can't defeat me, I will kill you in 5 seconds". Meh.

The thing is, you're taking it seriously. You probably have chess or go background to back you up, and I understand why you have more insight than the average reader, but you're missing the point . So Gun-gi is unrealistic, so what? This is a fictional work, sometimes you have to take some things as a given. For example, do you really think that from the biological point of view this whole chimera evolution is realistic? Don't you think that this whole "human self" being strong is just romanticizing the notion or uniqueness of being human? Do you really think that biologically-chemically, it's possible for chopped human brain cells are able to be so strong as to affect and create a self to the otherwise selfless ants?

You see, you can make any questions on the realism of many aspects Togashi (and any writer to fiction in general) create or incorporates, and it's fine to acknowledge them, but if you see these as a weak point and keep criticizing them outside the context of the story then you're missing the point. Just take them as a given, in the same way that you take superman's and spiderman's abilities as a given regardless of whether or not their feats are even physically possible or not, and then enjoy the rest of the ride.

[kkck]

Will end? no more hunter x hunter? i didnt get....

Normally after a hiatus only one volume will be released before the next hiatus. 2 more chapters make a volume. Nothing has been confirmed yet but given the pattern it is very possible another hiatus will start within the next two chapters. I really hope not though, the last chapters have been awesome.

[Goral]

It's not guessing. Not even remotely close to guessing. You are not simply predicting, you are inducing your opponent to do something.
In fencing the accuracy of your "prediction" simply depends on the difference between your strategy level and your opponent's. An olympic fencer should get close to 100% on someone on my level, for example.
No shit Sherlock. Inducing someone to do sth and predicting sth are two completely different things. Of course that action results in reaction from the opponent. That applies to many things. If someone attacks you with a left hook boxer goes to his left and tries to dodge/block it. If I use your reasoning every one of us is predicting, lol.
The area where fencers fight in competitions is very limited and the rules limit also the moves you can make. So of course you will roughly know which body parts you have to defend. And if someone attacks you below you try parrying it by making similar move. But there is no prediction in here. Like I said, it's rock, papers, scissors, i.e. guessing with a bit of thinking and reflexes. Also, in real fight once you stab someone you've practically won because there is no second chance or stopping further attacks and the injured person becomes weaker with every second. And please, give me examples of chess-masters that had noticeable successes in fencing.
And of course that fencers would prefer to think that fencing is a complicated discipline where you have to think a lot. As do boxers and other sportsman. But just because they say so doesn't mean that it is so. Feints are common in many martial arts but what does it have to do with predicting? Or strategy? These are schematic and limited moves which are very limited but it suffices to win since you can't always guess right or react in time. In the end the fastest and strongest one wins and strategy is only on a basic level.

@chikkychappy
I was perfectly aware of the things you've said. I know we have many unrealistic laws in HxH. I just don't like this particular explanation. You've asked why I think that this was the most ridiculous idea Togashi ever came up with and I answered. He tried to make king's ability believable by referring to real life (in this case - strategic game as a simulation of a fight) and that's what I didn't like. HxH is better without stupid explanations. The same goes for Star Wars, where the "physics" of force was explained. Such stories don't need it and unless it's really reasonable and consistent with the world the author created it only makes things worse.
The appearance of the ants was not consistent with the Togashi's world. They've emerged out of the blue and became the strongest beings in seconds. That's what I call bad writing.

Don't get me wrong, I still love Hunter X Hunter and even the bug arc isn't that bad compared to other shounens. But Togashi can do much better than that.

[Tombadgerlock]

And of course that fencers would prefer to think that fencing is a complicated discipline where you have to think a lot. As do boxers and other sportsman. But just because they say so doesn't mean that it is so. Feints are common in many martial arts but what does it have to do with predicting? Or strategy? These are schematic and limited moves which are very limited but it suffices to win since you can't always guess right or react in time. In the end the fastest and strongest one wins and strategy is only on a basic level.


the problem is that in most sports, "the fastest" is like, 1% faster. So if he begins his movement in the wrogn direction?

It's over.

That's why you have to predict, and you have to 'force' your opponents into a pattern.

That's what the king did.

He got slapped aside a thousand time in the last chapter, but he managed to wait and provoke a "almost-pattern" where he could slip by.

That makes sense.

What you are saying? it doesn't.

And, once again: it's not 100% prediction rated, as he did get slapped around a thousand times in the last chapter alone just to hit netero once.

[chikkychappy]

@chikkychappy
I was perfectly aware of the things you've said. I know we have many unrealistic laws in HxH. I just don't like this particular explanation. You've asked why I think that this was the most ridiculous idea Togashi ever came up with and I answered.

By your own admission, it is subjective. For some reason it bothers you, but 95%+ of fans are fine with it. Now let's leave it at that and not act like this opinion is objective.


He tried to make king's ability believable by referring to real life (in this case - strategic game as a simulation of a fight) and that's what I didn't like. HxH is better without stupid explanations. The same goes for Star Wars, where the "physics" of force was explained. Such stories don't need it and unless it's really reasonable and consistent with the world the author created it only makes things worse.

Again, this is your opinion and is obviously not an objective shortcoming on the part of HxH (or Star Wars for that matter). Personally, I do not mind. As long as the author is not making any explicit claim that what he's saying is consistent with reality, then I'll take it. After all, what we know about "reality" is ever so contingent and ever-changing. I won't hold it against the author if he wants to enrich his work using explanations that, while not consistent with this ever-changing reality as we know it, nevertheless was written well and makes sense within the context of the story. And since I have long accepted superhuman feats in HxH, this whole idea of finding the "flow" and the like feels like a natural extension.

This is why, when I tried to explain why I like Togashi's explanation, I was referring to the context of the story and made no references to reality, while your explanation mostly consist of things that lie outside the context of the work. And it's fine, really, that's what you want to do, there's no problem with that. Just acknowledge that, chances are, it's just you.


The appearance of the ants was not consistent with the Togashi's world. They've emerged out of the blue and became the strongest beings in seconds. That's what I call bad writing.

I don't like this arc as well, it's my least favorite arc along with GI, and I also think that this arc came out of nowhere. But I've gotten over this for the most part; while it bugs me from time to time I try to just enjoy the other things Togashi laid in store.

[ibra87]

Also agree with Ameya's thoughts about the King and how his reasoning to some extent reflects that of humans in relation to species thought to be 'lower' then themselves.

Today we had a lecture about (among other things) how medical researchers use GFP mice to research cancer cells and how they use other animals too. So I thought exactly about what you said and giggled a bit inside.
Imagine ants now using humans for their medical research by implanting them with tumors and/or modifying them genetically... :darn

I have to say, I felt a bit sympathetic with the king int he beginning with Netero starting before giving the king a chance to talk. But after what the king said this chapter I'm cheering Netero 100% (although have to admit the king is great, would be awesome if he showed an actual ability).

[hunter71485]

I have to say, I felt a bit sympathetic with the king int he beginning with Netero starting before giving the king a chance to talk. But after what the king said this chapter I'm cheering Netero 100% (although have to admit the king is great, would be awesome if he showed an actual ability).

Hadn't he already shown his ability? Gaining nen from others through consuming them? (Of course, only Nefelpitou noticed this ability, in chapter 217).

Unlike the rest of you guys, I really wanted the Hunters to exterminate the Ants. From the beginning, when the queen ant ate those kids. Remember when Leol chomped half the TV reporter's body on air? Even vegans and PETA in that world will agree, but only after a few (bloody) hilarious attempts at "contact" though. (I can imagine them sending ambassadors who would later become fodder.)

It is because we have individuality that we are the top of the food chain. And with that power comes a (cliched) responsibility: Humans have compassion to other beings, while the ants gained them from humans, but that compassion isn't tempered by their lust for bloodshed.

[BigCamaro]

the world of HxH is incredibly huge, perhaps a warning from Netero to the king, telling him that there are far stronger opponents, I mean after all, Neteros Nen Power was solely power, there are a variety of tricks you can do with Nen. Neteros however was useless, seeing as Meruem(King) is almost indestructable.

However I think Netero might end up sacrificing himself with some UBER power. Stalemate as dual-loss rules (Something that Meruem was not expecting)

I hope it is a straight up fight hes beaten in. If its a special ability like Kurapica's nen chain..thatd be pretty shitty

[ibra87]

I'm not talking about his grandfather lol he wouldnt stand a chance against Ant as far as he's shown. The one I;m talking about is the oldest assassin in that family, maha goldyck, he was hinted to be stronger than netero, not sure if he'll appear in ful blown battle scenario, still I hope for his appearance.

Where was that hinted? I'm interested in reading about him but all I can find is him being the head of the family and assassinating the 10 godfathers of the mafia. Plus he looks reaaaally old =/



Hadn't he already shown his ability? Gaining nen from others through consuming them? (Of course, only Nefelpitou noticed this ability, in chapter 217).[/url]

Ohh, that's right. Let's hope he starts using them in some way so there's some variety to the battle from his side.

[hunter71485]

I was thinking that the "nen curse" would be of some use to Netero's end, but seeing as how Meruem got Nefelpitou...

[AiddonValentine]

well I made a mad reading session today to catch up after years. I will say from a writing standpoint the King's uberness is getting ridiculous even for a fantastical world. I can understand making the bad guys a legitimate threat, but come on, at least let Netero break a limb or two with that move just to show that the Chimera Ants aren't as superior as they think they are. Plus considering all the pain they've caused they can't expect to be spared.

[Shiro-kun]

There have been no hints of the manga returning to hiatus soon , i hope he doesnt
that lazy bastard has had enough breaks for the last several years .

Meruem is being developed to much powerful , i dont really want him to be the final antagonist in the manga ....also when we have much more interesting antagonist still around such as the Genei Ryodan and Hisoka i prefere Meruem not to (arrogant superior being that hates humans but sympathizes to a few so he wants to put them in a zoo...)

[shouryuujo]

the curious thing is will Meruem/king be the "toughest" opponent ever? Who else can trump him? I dont think Kuroro (spider clan boss) can trump Meruem. I am not saying there wont be any more villains but to have someone trump Meruem at this point doesnt look likely and if it does then that person would be even more ridiculous.

[Negative Syndicate]

the curious thing is will Meruem/king be the "toughest" opponent ever? Who else can trump him? I dont think Kuroro (spider clan boss) can trump Meruem. I am not saying there wont be any more villains but to have someone trump Meruem at this point doesnt look likely and if it does then that person would be even more ridiculous.

I think Meruem is strongest character in Hunter x Hunter, so far.

[Shiro-kun]

I hope if Meruem is the final antagonist, that he will stay low for a while (probably build his forces ) .....during that duration Gon can be developed more.

Humanity in this manga is much more F'ed up than Real Life Humans ( in the naive sense..) :O provides better storyline than Species that hate Humans ...

[AiddonValentine]

he's going to get beat, that's just how things have to be. If anyone is going to be the final antagonist it's either the Phantom Brigade or Hisoka.

[kkck]

he's going to get beat, that's just how things have to be. If anyone is going to be the final antagonist it's either the Phantom Brigade or Hisoka.

I agree, I don't see any realistic scenario where he is allowed to keep on fighting. The wounds he took from netero just now seem severe enough as it is so it is likely now other nen users could actually hold their ground -even if utterly exhausted-.

[Sakakibara Eitaro]

Just one thing, You can't forget the main key factor in the hole HxH story: Nen.
Nen users, like Gon's father, made possible to create a "game" in the real world. So much that it can restore limbs and all. For instance, the king did not use it yet (no special, just aura protecting him), but if someone like Kurapaika who can put people into zetsu or that fast guy who could creat a world of catch and seek, any possible combinations are possible. Enforcers are good fighters but are not the only fighters. I do believe the king is strong, but I also believe that there are stroger (more experienced) Nen users. I don't know but, for me, Gin is stronger than the king.

thats it

[Shiro-kun]

I hope Gin is stronger than the king :)

Nen Battles are interesting so far at this point , since its tactical than brawling to see who is the strongest ..im glad the above posters brought up that point :oh lol

This manga still has a lot to go by (i mean i'll hate Togashi if he goes into hiatus after the boost up in recent chapters... i hope Togashi does not just jumpshorts it ....) , and i hope to god the Chimera Ant arc is almost over.

[Negative Syndicate]

I hope Togashi won't go to hiatus this time. Chimera Ant arc is almost heading to climax (I think), and I want to see Kurapica and Leorio to reunite with Gon and Killua, again.

[Pavitre]

Where was that hinted? I'm interested in reading about him but all I can find is him being the head of the family and assassinating the 10 godfathers of the mafia. Plus he looks reaaaally old =/



dont remember the ch, but it was said that netero was the only person alive to return after fighting with him, hence hyped.
besides old guys are always the monster types

hmm not expecting him to show up or anything, but some more info on him would be nice in future chapters

[ibra87]

dont remember the ch, but it was said that netero was the only person alive to return after fighting with him, hence hyped.
besides old guys are always the monster types

hmm not expecting him to show up or anything, but some more info on him would be nice in future chapters

Found it:
http://mangahut.com/manga/m=s2F6/hunter_x_hunter/264/pg10

Although this seems to talk about him in past present, hopefully he's still the strongest. But I doubt we'll get to know more about him with HxH's current schedule...

[kkck]

I hope Gin is stronger than the king :)

Nen Battles are interesting so far at this point , since its tactical than brawling to see who is the strongest ..im glad the above posters brought up that point :oh lol

This manga still has a lot to go by (i mean i'll hate Togashi if he goes into hiatus after the boost up in recent chapters... i hope Togashi does not just jumpshorts it ....) , and i hope to god the Chimera Ant arc is almost over.

Is that the guy who initially trained gon and killua? While I doubt he is weak, I have a hard time seeing him as stronger than netero. If I recall, he is an enhancement type, which in general is suited for direct, somewhat simply combat. Sure, he can combine his enhancement with other types of nen but odds are he won't be doing something like what knuckle or netero can do.

Personally, I think knuckle will play a part in defeating the king along with the remainign capable nen users. The king is hurt, meaning he has less nen than before, therefore it is more likely for knuckle and crew to be able to get him to bankrupt. Wonder how his guard will react to seeing the king this hurt though.

[Pavitre]

one more thing, everybody's talking about this chimera arc being over and there being many other interesting villains to develop and defeat, but like someone said above this king ant is the strongest and smartest creature we'v seen till now, so I too agree with some ppl that he's possibly the last villain or something like that.

I mean i dont see anyone being able to top him and his 3 generals over for now, they'r just too strong for anyone, if netero couldn't handle them our heroes will need to get a huge power up or something like that

also i'll have to disagree in saying that the king is hurt at all, atmost he only looks a bit ruffed up thats all, he still has that calm expression over his face. sorry to say, but netero couldn't do any major harm to him

lastly, i love how gon looks so serious man, he's like in sasuke revenge mode or something, his face is scary

[kkck]

Well, plot in HH is generally not completely driven by raw power though. If I recall, strategy and smarts took a big part in the earlier arcs. Even if the king is unlikely to be topped, it is more than easy to find people who can defeat gon and killua. They were said to have the power of middle level hunters some time ago so basically any experience mid level hunter would be a good oponent for them. Also note that the spider is still around and the lot of them would still make short work of killua. Outside of netero, he king and the ants there are still plenty of people who would easily defeat gon and killua, gettin enemies for them is easy.

[Pavitre]

no what I meant was that gon, killua and his 2 friends will need to get big powerup's to defeat oppnents like and and his generals. yea they'r not too powerful now and many guys can beat them.

still I'm interested in gon's serious transformation, will it actually increase battle stats more, or was it drawn that way just for dramatic effect

[Rainier]

^Yeaaah and No. Gon and Killua don't need to get that much stronger. They seriously don't need to be the strongest in the HxH world. They are young, and it would only look stupid if they become the strongest people in their world.

Anyways, Togashi didn't do it with Yu Yu Hakusho, and I seriously hope he doesn't do it in HxH. It's always better for Gon and Killua to have someone above them, a person they can admire and try to overcome.

[Pavitre]

hehe, kinda felt bad when he lost against that demon guy in the final battle though, in yu yu hauksho, ah you made me remember that lol

I understand what'r you'r saying about them becoming too strong would seem wierd, still I'm kinda torn between them either becoming too strong to win or them defeating him with all the crap about feelings of my friends an whatnot, and suddenly powering them up

[BurnSchulz]

There is already a Person which is Stronger than the King.




Guess who






Kumogi.




She changes him, and in my opinion that is strong.
I personally want to see what happens if the King and Kumogi join aggain and play the possibly last Ghun-gi match.

Want to see if the King tells Kumogi his name.
Or if Kumogi finally loses... Or even if the King finally give up to her.

[Sachsenhesse]

well theoretically should komugi gain a nenability now, because she is healed by nen ^^ which would be better then a real gunghi game where the looser is going to die?

[hunter71485]

Actually, the King and Pitou already hypothesized Komugi unlocking her innate nen abilities, it's just that she's not suited to any forms of combat.

[Pavitre]

yea she can only apply nen to ghun0gi thought unconsciously, I dont think she has realized it yet thought that she can
anyway does it only apply to ghun-gi or to any type of intellectual game, including forming strategies etc?

[Idol]

Spoiler About chapter 298



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913 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E [sage] 投稿日：2010/02/24(水) 18:39:16 ID:P8Xpi++FP

ネテロガリガリ

最後の技？爆弾に

爆弾の説明

その爆弾は低予算で驚くほどの殺傷能力を誇り
技術さえ確立してしまえば　短期間～～～～～

原爆のような状況。


プフ異変察知
ナックル、ガン見。
プフ顔半分虫化してる。

プフ王の元へ～～

王の生死は？で終わり。
説明ばっかりの内容です。

922 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E [sage] 投稿日：2010/02/24(水) 18:40:04 ID:P8Xpi++FP
№298　薔薇



Title of Chapter 298: Rose





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No. 298 Rose

Netero's all skinny

His final attack? as a bomb

Explanation of the bomb:

For having a low production value, that bomb boasts surprising damaging power.

If I tried to describe the art it'd take me a really short time~~~~ [One other spoiler I saw said there was a double page spread of one big blank panel.]

It's an atomic-bomb sort of situation.

Pufu senses disaster.
Knuckle glares
Half of Pufu's face turns into an insect.

Pufu goes to the king~

It ends with "Is the king alive or dead?"
That's all it explains.





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No. 298 Rose

Netero è ridotto a pelle ed ossa.
Il suo attacco finale? simile ad una bomba
Spiegazioni della bomba:
Per avere un basso costo di produzione, questa bomba può vantare una sorprendente potenza distruttiva.
Se cercassi di descrivere la scena perderei un sacco di tempo~~~~ [Un altro spoiler provider ha detto che c'è una doppia pagina completamente bianca, forse per l'esplosione.]
Sembra l'esplosione di una bomba atomica.
Pufu avverte il disastro.
Knuckle viene abbagliato, forse dall'esplosione (non sono sicuro la traduzione era "Pufu Glares".
Metà del volto di Pufu torna a prendere le sembianze di un insetto.
Pufu si dirige verso il Re~
"Il re è vivo o morto?"
Fine.

[Sachsenhesse]

i knewed netero hasnt showed all yet xD

[ibra87]

Just a reminder to people, if you want to discuss spoilers, please do so in spoiler tags. Think about the people who don't want to get spoiled.

[BurnSchulz]

well theoretically should komugi gain a nenability now, because she is healed by nen ^^ which would be better then a real gunghi game where the looser is going to die?

I actually thought about something like this too.


Kumogi learns a nen technique (maybe without even knowing) where the loser of that ghun-gi match is about to die.

[¬Bol]

King won't die because of a stupid bomb. Netero will.

[Shiro-kun]

Usually Heroic Sacrifices dont bold well , but his Suicide Bomb is an nice way to go out though

[BurnSchulz]

This is the Best thing for netero to happen.


Remember his thoughts at the beginning of the Battle.


He only wantet a fight aggainst someone who push him to his limits, because he defeated all his enemies before and gave him only a shake hands for winning.


I think netero wanted to die in battle, so he pulled all out he cuold.
This is very related to his ambitions, because he never wanted to die because of elderness...

(hope someone understand what i wrote here...)

[hunter71485]

If the beating of your heart stops, "it" will activate.

OMFGWTFBBQsauce! Even Kubo Tite wouldn't be able to think about that in his current storyline!

[Goral]

If Meruem dies in the "rose's" explosion this manga will have still a chance to return to it's former glory, if not (which is more probable) then it will be no better than Bleach.

[Juicyfruit]

If Meruem dies in the "rose's" explosion this manga will have still a chance to return to it's former glory, if not (which is more probable) then it will be no better than Bleach.

I completely disagree. Meruem is probably not dead, but unlike bleach, there's a thematic philosophy being explored here that is completely irrelevant to the outcome of this fight. I am, of course, talking about the ambiguity of who is really the more evil party in t his war?

And of course, Netero's face on page 3 itself is worth more than the entirely of bleach combined, lol.

[Sachsenhesse]

i loved the espression from that butterfly guy as he shows his real form xD

in the best case for the hunters, netero killed all 3 of them

[hunter71485]

i loved the espression from that butterfly guy as he shows his real form xD

in the best case for the hunters, netero killed all 3 of them

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Sachsenhesse]

easy, yuupi walks through that fire and his face is becoming more and more worryful and from pufu we dont see anything exept the last page where a butterfly is covered in blood, well in a different case, the king now will kill and absorb both of them to recover

all in all i dont expect them to survive ^^

[hunter71485]

Well too bad.

The way I see it, the King survives, has new respect for the humans, gets into conflict with his ants who wants to wipe them off the planet.

[ibra87]

We still have the third one who can revive the king.... if it happens that the king isn't completely blown to dust (which I doubt). I expect the guardian to stop healing the girl, instead getting killed by the king for disobeying his orders. Something along those line since I have no idea where Gon fits in :p

[shouryuujo]

i think the king will be seriously injured and the cat girl (forget her name) will be KEY in healing the king. As far as we know the king does not have regenerative abilities (or he probably wouldve healed him when he cut his arm or the girl when she got injured). I think the cat girl's intent on taking Gon on will be in focus since if Gon wins then the king will be severely injured. His other 2 royal guards are still healthy so their battles need to conclude as well. I think in the end the king wont die but recognizes human's determination/ability and stops his conquest

[kkck]

Obviously the king will live -he will be severely hurt though, perhaps even mutilated-. I wonder how the 3 servants will react to seeing the king like that. For them the king was like a god, an existence which was supposed to be forever unharmed. Yet, what they are gonna find now is a hurt little baby deprived of any dignity and whatnot (speculation on my part though). I think it is very possible the ants would actually go insane once they see their king reduced to such a pitiful state and in their delusion put him out themselves. If it doesn't happen that way, then they will obviously continue serving him but at least the king will be reduced to a state in which the hunters at the castle could actually have a shred of a chance at defeating. Can't help but wonder if netero was the only one given such a thing though. I would not be surprise if other bomb users appear to finish of the generals.

[sharingan_kakashi]

on page 14 knuckles said, "they would sell their soul to the devil if the king gave the word"
i dont know about you but this means the ants are loyal to the end. so i dont think they would betray him.
He would probably sustain flesh wounds. yohohohoho!

edit: doesn't butterflies signify rebirth? the king may be a little hurt but he would realize the potential of humans.

[Rainier]

I think the King is going to survive. I don't have anymore comments. Well, the art was awesome.

[Duzy]

Finally a plot device that makes a turnaround and is so simple...You'd think that resolving matter with a nuke would be a hax, and yet in the present storyline, the battle of species, it feels appropriate. To be honest I haven't really liked this arc so far. It feels displaced (even though more or less every HxH arc feels that way) and the year-lasting 5 minutes toppled Freeza vs Goku 5 minutes many times over. Yet, I must say this chapter feels very refreshing. Netero's design is demented :darn. On that matter, I hope the avatar isn't a spoiler breach of rules. I see not a remote chance for someone who didn't see the chapter to recognize Netero in the image ;)

[Rezack]

I like the idea of the king being in a state unable to ever fight again. All three of the royal guards are still monsters after all and still a big threat.
IMO it would be lame if someone like Gin or another uber character has to appear "just" to get rid of a few ants. If the ryodan would fight in teams i think they could defeat the royals guards. Maybe the Rose is just a signal for a new strike force to get started, but i dont think so.

I am sure something unexpected will happen, and togashi will teach kubo whats possible when your story is packed with so many characters

[ghostexiled]

On that matter, I hope the avatar isn't a spoiler breach of rules. I see not a remote chance for someone who didn't see the chapter to recognize Netero in the image ;)
I believe the rule is, as long as the chapter from which you took the image from is considered to be officially out... then you are fine.

I just completed a power read through of this manga... yeesh! -_-;

the thing that has kinda bothered me about the kings appearance is that he still looks very much like an "insect", and calls back the design of Cell from DBZ. But yet his guards have a more human appearances than he does... you would think it would the other way around.

anyway on topic with what is going on... I think that the King is alive, but is now a completely changed being. He has now completely gone through all of the basic human emotions, with the final being "fear".

All of the guards, save cat boy, has redeemed themselves in a manner of speaking in the eyes of the good guys. I say cat boy is excluded cause Gon is still brooding over murdering him. Yet Knuckles and Killua have seen that this is not a black and white situation that they thought it would be going into this battle.

I would of loved to see Hisoka versus either Pouf or Youpi... but o well.

finally I do enjoy how Netero started off in the manga as a goofy bright character and ended as a dark evil twisted one. :grin

[lan2cp]

This chapter was very good! What I really hate is people comparing Hunter x Hunter to Bleach. Bleach sucks @ss IMO and no manga should be compared to it. Netero's death was really awesome!

[hunter71485]

This chapter was very good! What I really hate is people comparing Hunter x Hunter to Bleach.

You know why I compared HxH to Bleach? Because both authors dug themselves in a deep hole, but one had a phone to call for help and the other got a bomb and just used it.

[Pavitre]

@Ian2cup, damn that guy in the video fucked up man, freakin hurts

[BurnSchulz]

@Ian2cup, damn that guy in the video fucked up man, freakin hurts

Oh wow, even if its totally Offtopic, but i just thought the Same, That damn hurts, what a stupid idiot to try something like this, haha xD


On Topic Aggain.


Aw man, cant Wait to see the next chapter, what will we see, how would the King have changed...

its useless to predict, we just can wait and see

[pandaaqueen]

Why are his drawings so bloody sketchy? Well, I'm not really fond of his artwork. Not at all :I



the thing that has kinda bothered me about the kings appearance is that he still looks very much like an "insect", and calls back the design of Cell from DBZ. But yet his guards have a more human appearances than he does... you would think it would the other way around.

Same here! Actually, a more human appearance would suit him much better!

[Sachsenhesse]

i like this work of art it fits into the theme perfectly, netero is one badass man with an unbelievable intensity, that sketch seems to me like a raw disturbing willpower

well out of all selfdestructs i know so far, netero was the best

[ghostexiled]

^I agree with both of you... half and half I would say. It works with awesome attacks panels or layouts like:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/297/14-15/

but then when it shows up in regular story telling like this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/184/08/

it is a bit of a let down.

Now that I think back, the Queen gave birth to 2 children... The King (who looks like an insect) and then the one that the Queen's bodyguard took (that looks human)

So maybe the 2nd will be the actually King when all is said and done...

[Duzy]

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/296/18/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3aeqQ-MKjg

As for the sketches. Doesn't Togashi put polished versions in tankoubons ?

[Ustegius]

@ghostexiled: I think that's a bad example of his 'normal storytelling', since those 'chapters' are sketches from the time he was sick, and those have been redone to the tankobotons.

[Shiro-kun]

Are there any redone works on any manga hosting site right now?

[ghostexiled]

well see I was unaware of the situation of him being sick and also about him redoing them.

I am with Shiro-kun... is there any of his reworked art available on any sites?

[ibra87]

I believe nexgear released the reworked volumes. If you search for them on their forum you'll probably find them (maybe even #lurk?)

[Host Samurai]

Awesome chapter!! Pufu's true face is a masterpiece of Togashi's art. Now with the King at 'death's door' and the other two Royal Guards pissed off and scared of his well being. I wonder how they're will handle this. Pitou is almost finished with healing Komugi and Gon won't waste time in order to heal Kaito...

I predict for the next chapter that the two will take the King back to the palace with the intention that Pitou will fix/heal the King. But they'll only find an abandoned room...while Pitou is healing Kaito, the King is fighting for his life. And once she's finished and she heads back to the palace with Komugi at her side the other two guards will blame her and thus cause an conflict among them. Or something like that, I'm out of ideas :p.

[•Sasuke•]

i think that those are the spoiler for ch 299

185 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/03/03(水) 17:51:46 ID:iSQgnbVz0
299◆再生

王は、手足がなくなり真っ黒
ユピー、プフ泣く、叫ぶ。
王の息があることに気づくユピー　プフの細胞で王しゃべりだす
優しく悟り、語りだす王。
無償の愛。。。　　で終わり。

189 名前：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/03/03(水) 17:54:12 ID:iSQgnbVz0
王は生きてるよ。
王『これからは…　余をメルネムと呼ぶがいい』
プフ、ユピー優しい愛に気づく

今後はダルマとしてみんなを見守る王であった

完

[Idol]

Spoiler of Chapter 299



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ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E

post-185
299◆再生
王は、手足がなくなり真っ黒
ユピー、プフ泣く、叫ぶ。
王の息があることに気づくユピー　プフの細胞で王しゃべ�
�だす
優しく悟り、語りだす王。

post-189
王は生きてるよ。
王『これからは…　余をメルネムと呼ぶがいい』
プフ、ユピー優しい愛に気づく




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Title: Rebirth
185:
The kings hands and feet are charcoal-black.
Yupi and Pufu are crying and howling.
They notice that the king is still breathing and helps him.
The king speaks gently and enlightened.

186:
The king is alive.
The king: From now on.. You can call me Meryem
'The last line, I'm uncertain about, but it's about Yupi and Pufu discovering/noticing gentle love or the like.'





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185:

Title: rinascita
Le mani ed i piedi del Re sono pezzi di carbone
Yupi e Pufu piangono e si lamentano.
Si accorgono che il Re respira ancora e cercano di aiutarlo.
Parlando il Re ci mostra un cambiamento, parla con gentilezza e pare abbia allargato le proprie vedute.

186:
Il Re è vivo.
Il Re: D'ora in avanti.. Potete chiamarmi Meryem
Alla fine sembra che anche Yupi e Pufu scoprano la gentilezza e l'amore.

[Goral]

What a surprise... King is alive. Meh. Anyway, why USSR doesn't wipe all the ants yet? One "Цар Бомбаr" (read "Tzar bomba") and they would destroy all ants. :P Togashi, end this arc, please.

[ghostexiled]

So King has now transformed into a benevolent being? I have to say I knew he would be alive... but in order to live he needs the cat boy/girl.

Maybe what will now happen is the King has changed for the better and is now content to live among humans without controlling and feeding on them... then the council will assassinate him therefore reestablishing themselves as forever the true evil beings in the world. This turning Gon towards them.

Just a thought...

[Dive]

I have mixed feelings about Meryem being alive. I'm happy he is, because it would be very lame to have him blasted away like that. But, I'm sad because Netero is gone, and I liked Netero.

We've seen some of the Spiders before the hiatus, so I wonder what they're up to. And Hisoka hasn't graced an appearance yet for this arc. We'll find out soon enough.

[kkck]

Chapter is interesting overall but somehow I felt it missed something. I laugh at mereums chibi form though. The only reason I did not want him to live was because it made netero's sacrifice meaningless. Now odds are no one will stand a chance against the king. I could see members of the spider giving him trouble at most but in the end no one can win. Even netero when fighting barely made him a little numb after hundreds of thousands of hits..... I guess pufu dying or at least weakening due to giving most of his body to the king is close enough to a victory though.

[Negative Syndicate]

Now, it is just one chapter away from Hunter to reach 10 weeks serialization. We'll going to find out that Hunter will be going on hiatus again or not. I wish Togashi doesn't go on hiatus again.

[Dive]

Chapter is interesting overall but somehow I felt it missed something. I laugh at mereums chibi form though. The only reason I did not want him to live was because it made netero's sacrifice meaningless. Now odds are no one will stand a chance against the king. I could see members of the spider giving him trouble at most but in the end no one can win. Even netero when fighting barely made him a little numb after hundreds of thousands of hits..... I guess pufu dying or at least weakening due to giving most of his body to the king is close enough to a victory though.

Netero is older though, and much weaker. If he had been in his prime, it would have been a different story. I am pretty sure someone like Hisoka, Chrollo, or even Kurapika if he did not make his Judgment Chain for Spiders only, would have a chance against Meryem. Chrollo especially would have a very good chance if his Nen wasn't sealed, since he was able to take on both Zeno and Silva.

[Pavitre]

new ch out
http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/299/01/

This was one of the most weirdest ch of any manga I'v read so far. full of feeding orgy and the aftertaste, totally wierd.

Anyway lol I dont get If the king will become good after this or much worse than before. All his talks about liking the taste of other creatures cells, makes me think more towards the latter

[bluemonster]

I loled so hard when reading this chpater. Thought I clicked on the wrong manga. But otherwise... who can stop the King now. :S
[hr]
I loled so hard when reading this chpater. Thought I clicked on the wrong manga. But otherwise... who can stop the King now. :S

[Sachsenhesse]

oh yeah really weird and strange, reminds on the "the parfum" where all paris is making an orgy ^^

i dont understand why the government not just nuke 3 or 4 rosebombs in the area, if they had such a power

[Duzy]

This chapter is like a really bad fanfic of Togashi's work, done by a shotacon / lolicon otaku who's especially interested in incest. 298 was IMO the best chapter of this arc. This one is by far the worst in the entire manga. If it's supposed to be a joke then it's one of a bad taste.

[Rainier]

I loled so hard when reading this chpater. Thought I clicked on the wrong manga. But otherwise... who can stop the King now. :S
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I loled so hard when reading this chpater. Thought I clicked on the wrong manga. But otherwise... who can stop the King now. :S

+1



Also:

HUNTER x HUNTER : HOMOPHOBICS NOT ALLOWED.


Hahahahaha, the expressions were priceless.

[eyesotope]

WTF Togashi???!!!! :blink :blink :darn

a whole chapter of Pufu and Yupi orgasming and climaxing as the king praised how divine he finds the taste of their meat??!! :facepalm

[hunter71485]

I dunno why my posts kept getting deleted, but I'd say it once more: HxH became totally surreal now.

First there was Hisoka, boning up on Greed Island at the sight of Gon and Killua, now this. I do hope this ends with the King eating his fellow ants.

[ghostexiled]

this is just setting this up so when and if he consumes the guards, but still craves more... he is going to go effing bonkers cause their will be no more guards to eat. Putting the matter back, pretty much, in the same spot he was in before the fight... killing people in hopes to find the juicy ones.

I would like to see the Spyder get evolved some more, but they said that if it did not interfere with their business dealings... they don't care.

So that leaves Hisoka maybe being interested because the King would be a worthy and "tastey" opponent.

But over all... this chapter was not needed in any regards at all... :oh

[Dive]

I would like to see the Spyder get evolved some more, but they said that if it did not interfere with their business dealings... they don't care.

Togashi introduced them for a reason in this arc. It could have possibly been just to explain more about the powers that some of the Spiders have, especially since we never saw someone like Feitan in action during the Yorkshin Arc. But, a writer doesn't introduce people into an arc for nothing. It might have been for the reason I mentioned, but if not, they will be back.

Now that the King has some energy in him now, Pouf and Yupi will want to take him to Pitou for proper healing. But, Gon is there expecting Pitou to be theirs after he's done healing Komugi. If Pouf and Yupi make it back before Gon and co. can leave, Pitou will be at a dilemma because the King is most important. If anything, we will see a fight in some way, since Killua and Palm are making their way to Gon.

And just a shot in the air: if I were to expect Hisoka in any way to show up in the near future, I'd imagine it sometime soon. He's a creeper when it comes to Killua and Gon, so I am pretty sure he knows about their involvement with the Ants.

[kkck]

WTF


Weird chapter. Wonder what is better, to have as enemy 3 guards and no king or 1 guard and 1 king. At least I don't think the guards will be alive once they finish giving their own bodies to the king lol. At the very least they will have a significantly reduced size and power. Wonder if the other hunters were also given roses. It would be a good idea if they account for the possibility of netero being defeated and mereum surviving.

[Duzy]

So that leaves Hisoka maybe being interested because the King would be a worthy and "tastey" opponent.


However Hisoka would be supposed to fight the king, we can already assume there would have to be trickery involved, likely using king's own power against him, if even a small nuke didn't work (but hey that's still better than regenerating from a single cell :p).



a writer doesn't introduce people into an arc for nothing

What I'm writing here is partially stemming from the annoyance at this chapter, but what you say doesn't apply to all writers. Some of them introduce major characters and then discard them when no longer interested in their development ---> Leolio. I'm of course only assuming the said writer lost interest, he might actually leave such character for the coolest enter in the history of shounen. Togashi is capable of doing that for the coolest exit as shown in the last chapter. And I'm not being sarcastic here.

What I'm trying to say is - nope, there's absolutely nothing definite about spider showing up in this arc, even if only to join the little threesome. Here, I am being sarcastic ;).

[Saifi]

can someone link where the ryodan were mentioned in the chimera ant arc?

[ghostexiled]

not only were they mentioned they were apart of it for good while.

they start their assault on a castle of a wanna be chimera ant queen.

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/224/01/

[Dive]

What I'm writing here is partially stemming from the annoyance at this chapter, but what you say doesn't apply to all writers. Some of them introduce major characters and then discard them when no longer interested in their development ---> Leolio. I'm of course only assuming the said writer lost interest, he might actually leave such character for the coolest enter in the history of shounen.

You misinterpreted what I said. I said "arc," not the story as a whole. Leorio hasn't been even mentioned in this arc, so Togashi has no plans for him at the moment, if anything. The same goes for Kurapika.

Besides, Leorio isn't even a fair comparison. He wouldn't stand a chance against the Ants right now because he didn't even have a technique of his own at the end of the Yorkshin Arc. He's not some protégé like the rest of the cast. Once he develops his own Hatsu, which I am assuming when he does will be something medical related, he will be major role again in some form.

And Togashi does treat some of his other characters well. In YYH, he reintroduced many of the Dark Tournament participants, gave them an opportunity to get stronger, and have them fight again in the Makai Tournament.

[Moogle Mango]

A giant what the heck from this chapter. What a waste! The king's servants were "getting their rocks off" on the king sucking on their juice? >.>

If Netero couldn't defeat him, who can?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

While it was kind of bizarre, I also found it to be a rather illuminating chapter. It was definitely weird, but I've come to expect Togashi to sometimes do odd things like this.

[Drmke]

This chapter was so weird. It didn't really do much for the plot, but I still liked it for some reason. Maybe because now the king is officially a zombie :p

Next week is when we get to find out if Togashi does more than 10 chapters this go. Its looking like he will!

[hunter71485]

Well there was no notice at the last page of the manga that he'd be in hiatus again...

[Drmke]

Well there was no notice at the last page of the manga that he'd be in hiatus again...

Usually the notice is announced before the ten chapters even begin. Plus, if he was gonna put it besides there, it would go after next week's chapter, but during one of his comments in the ToC of Jump, he said something about promising to work much harder this year. Which some people think means he isn't going to do his regular routine of ten then hiatus. And its looking like they're right.

[Moogle Mango]

not sure if his hiatuses actually helps the HxH story though... at least in my opinion.

This chapter, and most of all from this ant arc, has been really lame.

[Rainier]

What's so surreal about Hisoka? Lol. Togashi gave him a personality, it's not the most modest one but there are all kinds of people in the world, even pedo bears.

[ruggia]

but during one of his comments in the ToC of Jump, he said something about promising to work much harder this year. Which some people think means he isn't going to do his regular routine of ten then hiatus. And its looking like they're right.
I'm pretty sure he said the same thing last time too.

[Crude]

This latest chapter was... uhm... ecstatic? Weird chapter. Makes me think it will be the king who gets rid of the Chimera Ants.

[Belphegor_Corleone]

IMO both Pufu and Yupi are beeing eated on chapter 300.

[Shiro-kun]

Good i dont like those two particularity .

I can handle Meruem and Pitou but the those two ..should just die

[da_rippa]

Umm... this chapter was kinda... fruity?
I don't like this. Hopefully the king eats all the ants, then he eats himself.
Then the arc will end and this freaking manga will hopefully get up to its old glory. Excelsior.

[sharingan_kakashi]

hehe yeah. they are happy and gay. it does see like the king is going to eat the other ants but i doubt he would kill them. maybe just a taste lol.

but enough of that. i want to see Pitou heal up Kaito now. i hope pitou doesnt try anything stupid to provoke gon. Even though i want to see gon's progress. ida rather see Kaito get back to the world of the living.

[Jack Van Burace]

Well, Meruem could somehow go crazy and twist things up: he decides to eat Pitou, which Gon needs alive to heal Kaito, and this leads to Gon's arc of trying to save Pitou from his own instinct of offering his cells to the King, and Meruem searching for them to eat Pitou.

Gon can run and hide from more powerful enemies, as seen during the hunter exam. He could do that, which would be both Gon's development and Kaito's healing. And unexpected too.

[Wowzers]

Before this chapter got too weird, I was thinking, "Yes! The King turns into a cannibal and eats all the other ants up. Then he starves to death since humans aren't on the menu anymore." But that would just be hopeful thinking.

[BaneOfTheGame]

Before this chapter got too weird, I was thinking, "Yes! The King turns into a cannibal and eats all the other ants up. Then he starves to death since humans aren't on the menu anymore." But that would just be hopeful thinking.

I quite like that idea, now he's tasted something better than humans perhaps he won't keep eating them.

[isrnick]

Where can I find spoilers of HxH once they are out?

Edit: Found it. In NexGear. :)

Spoiler of Chapter 300:


Source: 2ch
Credit: Nja
Verification: Confirmed

277 ：んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg ：2010/03/09(火) 21:00:26 ID:SdIao3//0
これも簡単に

王は一切でてこなく
ゴンとピトーの所から始まり

治療が終わったのを悟ったゴンが　治療終わったな
治療を終わらせた素振りのを一切見せていなかったつもり�
�ったピトーが
汗ﾀﾗﾀﾗ
そこに　もう最後までいると決めたナックル・キルア・女�
�が登場し
ポックル？ｗｗでもつけておくか？途中でにげても場所わ�
�るだろ～
ゴン　俺はピトーを信じるよ
ゴゴゴゴゴ　あせるピトー
その子はナックル達に任せておいて治療が終わり次第開放�
�るよ
だから俺のことも信じて欲しい
ゴゴゴゴゴ　さらに焦るピトー

ピトーとゴンが出発

ナックル　ゴン一人で行かさせて大丈夫か？
キルア　いあここは俺がいって～俺がピトーに捕らえられ�
�ら人質の意味無いし～
　　
とかで終了かな
最後目が覚めた小麦が状況把握できてなくあたふた焦って�
�所で完

674 ：んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg ：2010/03/09(火) 22:07:35 ID:SdIao3//0
補足
ゴン　治療終わったね
ピトー　傷口は隠して見えないはず治療終える素振りも出�
�ていないのになぜ！？）
ゴゴゴゴ
ピトー　（終わった今なら立ち上がり左手一本でゴンの首�
�吹き飛ばせる）
ピトー　まってくれコムギを…（隙をうかがうんだ～）
ゴン　　その子どうなっても知らないよ～なんちゃら
ピトー　ゴゴゴゴゴ　ﾀﾞﾗﾀﾞﾗﾀﾞﾗ

こんなピンポインツのやり取りでピトーが動揺しまくりで�
�ックルたちが合流

んじゃさらば



Source: NexGear
Credit: DarkLordOfKichiku
Verification: Confirmed

No sign of the king this week.

Pitou finishes healing Komugi. Gon tells Pitou that it's time to go. Pitou is nervous, sweating. Apparently Knuckles, Killua and someone more is also there. Gon tells pitou that he trust/believes in Pitou and therefore he wants Pitou to trust/believe in him as well. Pitou is apparently stunned by this. Gon and Pitou leaves. Knuckles asks if it's alright to let him go alone. Killua's answer seems to be affirmative and he says something about there being no point in a hostage or something. Chapter seems to end with Komugi waking up.



Source: NexGear
Credit: EbaForeva
Verification: Confirmed

Below is my translation of the spoiler from Chinese into English, not sure if the person who did the Japanese Chinese translation got everything correctly though.

The King didn't appear in this chapter. It started w/ Gon and Pitou inside the palace.

Gon sensed that the healing had finished so he told Pitou that the time for healing was up.

Pitou's pretence that the healing hadn't finished was exposed so he streamed w/ sweat.

At that moment, Killua, Knuckle, and Palm showed up.

Knuckle wanted to put Pot Clean on Pitou b/c that way even if he (Pitou) ran away en route it'd still be possible to track his location.

Gon said he trusted Pitou.

Pitou felt uneasy.

(Gon?) then handed Komugi to Knuckle, asking him to let her go once the restoration (of Kaito?) was finished.

This made Pitou feel more uneasy.

After Pitou and Gon had left, Knuckle: Is it ok to let Gon go alone?

Killua: I'm going w/ him, even if I were to be captured by Pitou, I wouldn't have any hostageship value (the Japanese Chinese translator is not sure about the meaning of this sentence).

Komugi woke up, she was anxious b/c she couldn't grasp the situation.



Source: NexGear
Credit: kewl0210
Verification: Confirmed

Ok, I'm back now. So here's the translation:
これも簡単に
This one's simple, too.

王は一切で てこなく
The king doesn't show up at all.
ゴンとピトー の所から始まり
It starts from where Gon and Pitou are.

治療が終わった のを悟ったゴンが　治療終わったな
When Gon discerns the treatment is done, he says "So the treatment is done?"
治療を終わらせた 素振りのを一切見せていなかったつもりだったピトーが
汗タラタラ
Having planned to finish it without showing any sign of having done so, Pitou sweats.
そこに　もう最後までいると 決めたナックル・キルア・女ｗが登場し
There, Knuckle, Killua, and the girl(lol) appear having decided to stay to the end. [I guess he can't remember the people's names. Probably Palm.]
ポックル？ｗｗでもつけておくか？ 途中でにげても場所わかるだろ～
Pockle? (lolx2) is with them, too? Even if you run away mid-way, I'll know where you are, you know? [Eh, so I can't tell what he's talking about here at all... Some of this seems to be quoting someone and not him describing what's going on.]
ゴン　俺はピトーを 信じるよ
Gon I believe in Pitou.
ゴゴゴゴゴ　あせる ピトー
GOGOGOGO Pitou feels frustrated.
その子はナックル達に任 せておいて治療が終わり次第開放するよ
He leaves the child to you Knuckle and co. and they leave as soon as treatment is finished.
だから俺のことも信じて 欲しい
So I hope you'll believe in me, too.
ゴゴゴゴゴ　さらに焦る ピトー
GOGOGOGOGO Pitou gets more up tight.
ピトーとゴンが 出発
Pitou and Gon leave.

ナックル　ゴン一人で行かさせて 大丈夫か？
Knuckle: Is it okay to let Gon go alone?
キルア　いあここは俺がいって ～俺がピトーに捕らえられたら人質 の意味無いし～
Killua: Yeah, if I went and got caught by Pitou, there'd be no point in just becoming a hostage. [It's really hard to tell what the subject and what the object is here... I dunno, this sentence could have many meanings based on the context.]

とかで 終了かな
And it ends like this.
最後目が 覚めた小麦が状況把握できてなく あたふた焦ってた所で完
Komugi finally wakes up and doesn't know what's going on and gets all worked up. End.


補足
Supplement
ゴン　治療終 わったね
Gon So the treatment's over, right?
ピトー　傷口は隠して見えないはず 治療終える素振りも出してい ないのになぜ！？）
Pitou (Even though I'm sure I hid the would so he couldn't see it and gave no sign that the treatment was done, how did he know!?)
ゴゴゴゴ
GOGOGOGO
ピトー　（終わった今なら 立ち上がり左手一本でゴンの 首を吹き飛ばせる）
Pitou (Now that it's done, I'll use my left hand I've built up to blow Gon's head off.)
ピトー　まってくれコムギを… （隙をうかがうんだ～）
Pitou Please wait, Komugi... (I'll watch for a moment he lets his guard down.)
ゴン　　その子どうなっても 知らないよ～なんちゃら
Gon I don't know what'll happen to that child. ~Just kidding.
ピトー　ゴゴゴゴゴ　ダラダラダラ
Pitou GOGOGOGO SWEATING SWEATING
こんなピンポインツのやり取りでピトー が動揺しまくりでナックルたちが 合流
Completely disturbed by this exchange of pinpoints, Knuckle and the other arrive.
んじゃさらば
Njya, see ya.

[shouryuujo]

maybe pitou is nervous because kaitou cant be turned back or he is planning to backstab gon?

[Dive]

Well, whatever happens...I just hope that we get an OVA soon, haha!

[isrnick]

I'm just keep wondering since the healing process of Komugi began... Has Nefelpitou corrected even her eyesight?

That would explain her startled behavior in the and of this chapter when she awoke.

Edit: Oh, no. Doesn't look like that is the case, she still didn't open her eyes in the RAW.

[Negative Syndicate]

I looked at this week's chapter, and there is no message about Togashi is going on hiatus, also on preview page Hunter is included on next issue. So, I think Togashi might not going to hiatus, this time.

[Wowzers]

Ch300 has been translated on the RTS page (http://mangahelpers.com/m/hunter-x-hunter/chapters/300/).

[njt]

I'm guessing you guys didn't fully get the meaning behind this chapter.

Let me try and break it down for ya.
Up until now we've seen the humans vs the ants as the good guys vs the bad guys. What Togashi has done here is given the enemies humanity. A reason for *them* to fight. In most shounen manga the common theme is - when you have someone to fight for, you become stronger, right?

Normally it's the good guys winning because they're trying to protect the people they love. Well have you been seeing where this is going? The king was fighting to find out more about himself. Wanting to know who he was seeing as he was born incomplete (not knowing his name) Found it out - was blown up by someone he considered an enemy.

Now imagine the destroyed king as a baby(thus the small form, and the final image), and both Yupi and Pufu as his mother. By nursing the king back to health through giving up a part of themselves is like creating a bond with a child - a love so deep - so unconditional that the sight of the king regaining his strength was a joy hardly expressible through words. And something I'm sure Togashi has experienced first hand through having his own kids.

So now why was this a bad thing for the humans? They're an even stronger family they have ONE hell of a reason to fight and protect it now :3.

Anyway, for those of you who thought it was stupid - or that the chapter was a waste, hopefully you give it another chance^^

[Goral]

I know what Togashi meant but I don't like it. The ants appeared too suddenly and what humans did in 3 million years they did in 3 days. So to me there are two options that I could put up with.
1) Ants win, wipe out most humans and make a stock-farming of them, humans start to degenerate - the end of human species as we've known
2) Ants are wiped out completely by humans which would mean that humans were higher on the ladder of species (and that is more likely since they have science on their side and bombs as big as a 1 cent coin that can wipe out whole city as we've seen in 298th chapter)

Any other option would make me like HxH less (especially "living happily and in harmony with ants" option). This whole arc feels so forced to me and far-fetched and out of place in Hunter x Hunter world that I don't think Togashi can change it unless he resets everything and gets rid of these annoying bugs.
IMO it is stupid that Togashi wants to make bad guys that committed genocide look good. Every tyrant had a good side also and every tyrant had a reason to fight. So? In many cases tyrant helped his own country to prosper. So? That wouldn't change the fact I would like him to be wiped out. I don't see the point of "giving ants humanity" besides prolonging the story that shouldn't even start to begin with.
Seriously though, trying to get all psychological in a shounen manga is pointless and looks stupid. I'm not reading shounen for that. Of course "nothing is black and white, it's all shades of grey". Every person that makes other things than reading manga knows that. And if I wanted to read about it Hunter x Hunter (or some other shounen) would be the last source of knowledge I would choose.

[isrnick]

I don't think the king will survive, no matter what.

I doubt that this "almost death experience" has changed him in any way, in fact I believe that it will only make he dislike humanity even more, but now because of the fear of what the humans are capable of.

And all this "love" Yupi and Pufu have discovered will just be fuel to increase their fanaticism to the King. Making them even more dangerous.

The only one who has any chance of ending up alive is Pitou, since she is far away from Meruem for too long, and is being exposed to Gon and his way of thinking, so she might end up becoming one of the good guys. But even so her power is too convenient, she can bring people back to life, this isn't an ability someone should have, and this would make the manga too boring since even if one of the good guys eventually dies she could just bring him back to life. So I believe even she will probably die.

The only thing I don't wanna see Togashi doing is making Meruem become Gon's final enemy... Something in the lines of: This fight being postponed and one side having to retreat, just so that afterwards Meruem completely recovers and Gon gets more power, and then they fight each other as a final battle.

I wanna see this crisis ending soon, so that Gon can go look for other challenges. I am even hoping for some new character showing up in the scene, one of the few hunters stronger than the President, to finish off Meruem for good.

[Pavitre]

shit I thought gon was gonna fight pitou after her healing was complete. hmm i was expecting some bad ass fighting between them though

[Youth Explodes!]

@ Goral : the Ants arc in HxH is just a remake of the final demons arc in Yuyu Hakusho : the demons become good (like the father of Yusuke) when they start their "diet", i.e. they stop eating humans. That's just what's going to happen with the Ants in HxH. If you haven't read Yuyu Hakuhso, you can watch the anime online, it's not bad at all.

[BurnSchulz]

I'm guessing you guys didn't fully get the meaning behind this chapter.

Let me try and break it down for ya.
Up until now we've seen the humans vs the ants as the good guys vs the bad guys. What Togashi has done here is given the enemies humanity. A reason for *them* to fight. In most shounen manga the common theme is - when you have someone to fight for, you become stronger, right?

Normally it's the good guys winning because they're trying to protect the people they love. Well have you been seeing where this is going? The king was fighting to find out more about himself. Wanting to know who he was seeing as he was born incomplete (not knowing his name) Found it out - was blown up by someone he considered an enemy.

Now imagine the destroyed king as a baby(thus the small form, and the final image), and both Yupi and Pufu as his mother. By nursing the king back to health through giving up a part of themselves is like creating a bond with a child - a love so deep - so unconditional that the sight of the king regaining his strength was a joy hardly expressible through words. And something I'm sure Togashi has experienced first hand through having his own kids.

So now why was this a bad thing for the humans? They're an even stronger family they have ONE hell of a reason to fight and protect it now :3.

Anyway, for those of you who thought it was stupid - or that the chapter was a waste, hopefully you give it another chance^^

Thank you for those words.

I just cant descripe my thoughts of this Chapter better.

Hope here more Guys who will listen to this, and think about the meaning.


/edit

What i wanted to add:

This Arc, is an arc of feelings.
We saw all different types of Emotions in very different characters.

Gons Anger, Meryems fear, Killuahs Fear (well those were two different types of fear), confidence, hope, joy... and in 299 unconditional love...


Think about.


And if you think about the fist time you read hunter x hunter, and overlook the whole arc, you will might be able to suggest, that this arc fits totally to HxH.

A hint: Single Hunter, Double Hunter or Tripple Hunter, all of them, exspecialy Gin Freaks, recieved big achievements in all different categories around the world.
For Gon, saving Humanity from the chimera ants will be a big achievement for sure. And this will bring him ab big step forwards to Gin, who might become interested in his own son, because of Gons achievements.

Hope you understand what i wrote :/

[Magnus]

Yes i do.

About the last chapter, I loved Gon's expressions and lines, just terrifying.
But, does he seriously think that Kaito might be brought back to normal ? He's just a soulless puppet, there's normally no way that he could be revived. Pitou may end up telling Gon that he can't do anything for Kaito.

On the last page there's absolutely no mention of hiatus or something like that. So we can expect another chapter to come. But a hiatus can still occur at anytime.

[Dive]

About the last chapter, I loved Gon's expressions and lines, just terrifying.
But, does he seriously think that Kaito might be brought back to normal ? He's just a soulless puppet, there's normally no way that he could be revived. Pitou may end up telling Gon that he can't do anything for Kaito.

Would you rather him not try at all? There's a reason why Togashi is doing this. Kite is important to Gon. Either Kite is going to be revived, or Gon is going to go through a major character development.

[shaheer]

but i dont get it y pitou was apprehensive?
he is DAMN strong, and i doubt Gon could have done anything deadlier than staring at him like that, i mean even Netro said he was weaker than Pitou (or sth i dun remember precisely )

and dont you guys think that the ant arc is winding a bit too much?

[EbaForeva]

but i dont get it y pitou was apprehensive?
he is DAMN strong, and i doubt Gon could have done anything deadlier than staring at him like that, i mean even Netro said he was weaker than Pitou (or sth i dun remember precisely )

and dont you guys think that the ant arc is winding a bit too much?
It's true that Pitou should be able to behead Gon in the blink of an eye. But unlike us readers, he knows very little about Gon's abilities, also, he's not experienced in evaluating his opponents b/c the only human he's fought agaisnt so far was Kaito (the brief face-off w/ Netero shouldn't count). Hence, he can only act by his animal instinct, which tells him that Gon is so dangerously sharp and has such a great determination that if he (Pitou) tries anything funny Komugi may be killed first. Protecting Komugi was the King's order so Pitou simply won't dare to do a single thing against the good guys untill her safety is 100% ensured.

[Saifi]

how exactly is gon the good guy here when hes threatening to kill kamugi ?

[hunter71485]

how exactly is gon the good guy here when hes threatening to kill kamugi ?

In the HxH world, there's no good or bad, everyone is judged by their motives and the current complexities they currently deal with.

Netero had a bomb planted in him because he fully understands that principle, in which life and death doesn't matter, but the eradication of the threat to harmony of the human world.

Gon holds Komugi hostage because he knows Pitou acts only upon the safety and orders of the King, and to ensure his goal is reached, he will do anything.

[Host Samurai]

Gon was damn impressive. He didn't only take Komugi as a hostage but he trust Pitou now too. And if Pitou betrays Gon then, he won't hold back because that way it'd be easier for him to finish Pitou off.

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/242/02/

I think Gon character development isn't finished yet, it depends now on Pitou, if he can 'fix' Kaito. And if he fails to bring Kaito back, then we'll see another evolution in Gon's character. I hope for this (http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/242/14/).

[chikkychappy]

how exactly is gon the good guy here when hes threatening to kill kamugi ?

exactly. that's what togashi is trying to do here i think, turning the tables on who is good and evil around. it's a shame this intention is not more apparent in the manga itself

[Dive]

how exactly is gon the good guy here when hes threatening to kill kamugi ?

Have you ever heard of the TV show 24? The main character, Jack Bauer, is a CTU (Counter Terrorist Unit) agent, where he prevents terrorist threats on US shores. The show highlights the hardships that go on for people like Jack (CTU is fictional, but whatever). Jack is constantly sacrificing his friends and family for the greater good: the protection of millions of others. While morally gray, it is for the greater good.

[kkck]

Personally, I don't thin kaito can be brought back no matter how hard gon tries. Kaito has simply been dead for a long time.
http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/199/15/
kaito has been long decapitated. I don't think having your head severed from your body is something you can be healed from. '

There is something interesting though.
http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/222/13/
There are two things worth considering him. Kaito is still able to use his nen, even in his half dead state. On the other hand, such a thing could be triggered by the puppet thing behind him.

[hunter71485]

Heck, Palm took her own life. Pitou's ability may restore Kaito, but I think he'd end up committing suicide rather than become a monster.

[Jack Van Burace]

Well, the dilemma about what to do with Kaito is the same about every human and hunter that became ants. Togashi will give us his answer to that eventually.

I'm more concerned about who'll get on top: Hunters or Ants?

Meruem/Meryem seems to be regenerating himself, something Netero had predicted and prevented himself from when he assigned the hunters to stall the guardians. Now Netero's life will have gone in vain, or better: in order to take out two guardians, if they end up dieing eaten by the King. If Morau hadn't failed, right now the king would be breathing his last breath and all the ants would lose purpose, following him in his death.

All that will be left (hopefully) is Pitou, in check by Gon's scheme, and the King, ALSO in check by Gon's scheme. Komugi as a hostage really is a winning ticket, as the King won't be willing to harm Komugi and therefore he won't fight any of those hunters standing near her. As fast as the King might be, he's shaken by his probable demise against Netero, and likely he had a change of view about humans after what he has been through.

Pitou will eventually give Gon what he wants, the King will have to wait till Gon returns, and Gon will have won the war with a simple move and willpower. ^^

[sharingan_kakashi]

sorry to interrupt your conversations but i have a question. anyone know who the guy in the back with the long hair is? http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/229/02/

[Negative Syndicate]

sorry to interrupt your conversations but i have a question. anyone know who the guy in the back with the long hair is? http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/229/02/

I think it is fourth child of Zoldyck family.

[Dive]

I totally thought that was Hiei for a moment. I forgot how much Feitan looks like Hiei.

Any who, that should be the missing brother, Alluka.

[BigCamaro]

Well, the dilemma about what to do with Kaito is the same about every human and hunter that became ants. Togashi will give us his answer to that eventually.

I'm more concerned about who'll get on top: Hunters or Ants?

Meruem/Meryem seems to be regenerating himself, something Netero had predicted and prevented himself from when he assigned the hunters to stall the guardians. Now Netero's life will have gone in vain, or better: in order to take out two guardians, if they end up dieing eaten by the King. If Morau hadn't failed, right now the king would be breathing his last breath and all the ants would lose purpose, following him in his death.

All that will be left (hopefully) is Pitou, in check by Gon's scheme, and the King, ALSO in check by Gon's scheme. Komugi as a hostage really is a winning ticket, as the King won't be willing to harm Komugi and therefore he won't fight any of those hunters standing near her. As fast as the King might be, he's shaken by his probable demise against Netero, and likely he had a change of view about humans after what he has been through.

Pitou will eventually give Gon what he wants, the King will have to wait till Gon returns, and Gon will have won the war with a simple move and willpower. ^^

What is there assurance to escape though? Even with Komugi as a hostage now, what can they do? take her with them and say they'll leave her somewhere for them to retrieve? With all hes been through I dont think they can hope the king responds to that in a calm manner. There best hope is tricking Pitou into thinking potclean is a bomb that will blow up Komugi until their out of range. And escaping before the king shows up, or yupi appears and explains the truth.

Honestly unless Jin or someone ridiculous is coming. The hunters will have to retreat for now. Hopefully with Kaito, and the king change of heart from before altering slightly (though I doubt it). Short of having an SSJ transformation, Gon isnt going to beat pitou, though Id like to see how close he is. The rest of the team combined is no where near the kings level. Maybe somehow Knuckle can talk their way out of NGL.

[Dive]

Didn't Hisoka find a nen remover? So what's up with Chrollo? I'd like him to make a return.

[kkck]

Didn't Hisoka find a nen remover? So what's up with Chrollo? I'd like him to make a return.

He should pretty soon, a nen remover was found in the game island. The only problem right now should be finding chrollo.

[hunter71485]

He should pretty soon, a nen remover was found in the game island. The only problem right now should be finding chrollo.

They've already met at the designated waiting location.

[chikkychappy]

They've already met at the designated waiting location.


in short, hisoka should be dead by now :D

/kurorofan

[tobeulp]

I hope this ant arc will be over so we can now move on to finding Ginn.... I think there will be more powerful hunter than chairman Netero because Netero become weak because of age.... I hope a group stronger than the Spider will come so for new enemies...

[Idol]

Spoiler Chapter 301



Soruce: ch
Credit: Nja
Verification: Confirmed

176 名前：んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg sage　2010/03/15(月) 23:16:31 ID:2iFCe/dp0

ハンタは詳しく読めなかったすまん。
流れとしてはピトーが素直にゴンについていきながら色々考える
彼（カイトのことだと思う）はおそらくゴンの望む状態には治せない・・みたいな
ゴンは無言で怖い顔のまま。
モラウが血だらけで誰かにやられて倒れてる、近くに影。

で完です

315 ：んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg ：2010/03/15(月) 23:49:52 ID:2iFCe/dp0
ユピー「コムギなんてどうでもいい。それより、王。こちらを御賞味下さい！」

これうけるなｗｗｗ

ユピーは王様の為　速く戻って記憶を取り戻しましょう～　ってな事いってたと思うから
こいつが一番王様の為に働いてるよねｗ

ちなみにユピーとプフはエネルギーあげすぎたため？プフの小さい分身みたいに
なってますｗ空を飛ぶ王様の尻尾に２人はぶら下がってる

宮殿に戻ったプフの分身はちゃんとした人型でした

338 ：んじゃ ◆bvOTKk1mXg ：2010/03/15(月) 23:52:26 ID:2iFCe/dp0
王様は全身ちゃんと元に戻ってましたね～



Soruce: JJT (http://juinjutsuteam.forumcommunity.net/)
Credit: Never & Idol
Verification: Confirmed

First Part

Nja: Excuse me but I have not read thoroughly hunter ...
However, the story goes on.
Pitou while chasing Gon thinks about various things.
Pitou thinks: ( "Kaito will never heal to the point that Gon think... at least I hope)
Meanwhile, Gon has an expression of concern
Morau, hit by someone, lying on the ground covered with blood.
Next to him there is the shadow of someone.
Continue...

[BigCamaro]

They've already met at the designated waiting location.

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/183/14/

I've been thinking about this. If Hisoka entered the game as Lucifer Kuroro, maybe he got word to Kuroro somehow to enter the game with his name, and told the nen-remover such. So the accompany would take him to where Kuroro is. Not like Togashi to make a mistake and not catch it in the Tankubons, as detailed as he is.
though if chapter covers are canon and take place when theyre shown...that wouldnt make sense as this is 18 chapter later: http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000078/000208712/01.jpg

But that chapter was almost half a series and 6 years ago!
I actually remember when we were getting new chapters during Yorkshin...damn I hope I live to see the end of this..but I should be more worried about the mangaka...

as for the new chapter...morau done in?!? The obvious guess would be the enraged king. But Morau's energy is really low so someone else couldve done it. And no dont jump to conclusions and think its Jairo. He's definitely set up to be a future, and maybe final villain. Seemingly unrelated to this arc, despite founding NGL..his interests seem to extend far beyond it, though Wolfin recently hinted at him.

[Dive]

Oh man. I cannot wait to see who dos in Moaru. I'm really hoping it's Chrollo or Hisoka. I really miss them. It'd be cool for Kurapika too, but that's really unlikely.

[gehad]

Hey everyone , Im new here . :) . Hope that you're all well .

I just read the spoiler , its confirmed so it should be the right one , right . Its jsut that i didn't understand , was Morau found dead & Covered in blood , didn't he leave with Novu ? Anyway i can't wait to see the hunter that'll appear now , could be one of the Zoladyecks or Someone that Knows Netero quite well i guess .

[Gcat88]

It might be a member of Killua's family since Netero did appear with i dont remember if it was his dad or something else. I want to see more of the family, and i am kind of hoping this arc ends soon so we can see some new things. anyone agree??

[Idol]

NEW SPOILER FROM OHANA:

475 ：ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E ：2010/03/16(火) 21:42:58 ID:LJjZeAoOP
>>400 のと、ちょっと違うんだけど。。

301　記憶
王は元の姿に戻り　ちびプフ　ユピ喜ぶ
なぜここにいるのか、思い出せない王
気分はいいが、頭だけが霞む王

宮殿に戻りましょうとプフ

分身プフ　コムギをヤレバ。。。

王に羽生え、飛ぶ王
王『余が欲する答えが　宮殿にある』

プフ　
宮殿にて、コムギを探すと
ナックル、ハコワレパンチ！

パーム　全てが見えている。

分身プフにもハコワレが付く。


キルア　タコ　パーム　ナックル　カメレオン
『王は生きていた！！』

[Host Samurai]

Morau got hit by someone from behind..hmm that, sounds odd he is already injured IIRC. Why would someone beat an already injured person, who is already at his limit. And where are Novu or Shoot? Shouldn't they be safe in Novu's 'dimension' or whatever his ability was called? So Pitou hopes that Kaito fates is sealed, so she can return to the palace.

[Ustegius]

I don't think Morau got attacked by anyone. The translator does mention that he isn't up to date with HxH, so I think Morau is just down due the old injuries, and the shadow next to him is a doctor; Leorio.

Or well, as a Leorio-fan is just fantasize that is so...

[ClinoJustu]

Hmmm , why does the second spoiler don't notice what happen with morau ? Seems different than the first one :blink
I search on the net and finally found two differents summaries :/ The one of Nja and OHANA or maybe a error of translation?

[gehad]

If the translation is correct then there is but only one person i can think of & its JAIRO . It was said that he & Gon would meet again right , also he'll be so cold hearted to kill someone who's already soaked in blood so i guess it makes sense eh ?

[Sachsenhesse]

who the hell is jairo? did i miss someone?

[SmellsLikeTeenSh!t]

who the hell is jairo? did i miss someone?

Jairo(Gyro) was former leader of NGL. He is the person mentioned by Welfin, who was his friend when they were humans.

[Dive]

Morau got hit by someone from behind..hmm that, sounds odd he is already injured IIRC. Why would someone beat an already injured person, who is already at his limit. And where are Novu or Shoot? Shouldn't they be safe in Novu's 'dimension' or whatever his ability was called? So Pitou hopes that Kaito fates is sealed, so she can return to the palace.

If they don't, then he'll just heal up again. Better strike when the opportunity is there. I'm still holding hope for either Chrollo or Hisoka. Leorio would be cool too. Kurapika would be nice, but it's not like he could kill an Ant with his nen abilities...

[BurnSchulz]

If they don't, then he'll just heal up again. Better strike when the opportunity is there. I'm still holding hope for either Chrollo or Hisoka. Leorio would be cool too. Kurapika would be nice, but it's not like he could kill an Ant with his nen abilities...

Yeah, to bad that spider-Ant is already dead ^^

And btw:

Has anyone here mentioned that the drawings in the chapters of the manga have been completely overhauled?
I saw it recently when I bought some manga chapters that I have already read on the Internet.

I come from Germany, but I have here an example:
(Perhaps here is someone who does not yet know. I certainly wanted to say because I think it just great, and to be honest I didn´t known before. ^ ^)

Chapter184, Page 10:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v18/c184/10.html
And here my shot: (Well i am not that good in shot one-handed ^^)
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4111/rimg0016j.jpg

One more Time , because its awesome:

Chapter 185, Page 2:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v18/c185/4.html

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5196/rimg0019.jpg

I hope i didn break any rules by post this :s

[Dive]

Yeah, Togashi redid them when he was on his hiatus. Thankfully too. He's such a great artist. I hate it when he does clumsy sketches like that.

[kkck]

perhaps the king is back and ready to kill? There aren't many powerful enemies left other than the king and the RY, I don't see who else could have done him in

[nfinitfx]

Leorio is not so much of a combat type. He will develop a nen ability called "God Hand" - this ability have the ability to heal/restore someone's health to their maximum form. There would be a time limit to it, it could be Restore person A's health to when it was the best during the last year. e.g. Kite still can be cured because it hasn't been 1 year since Poufo changed him to a puppet. The stronger Leorio nen skills are the longer period that would be, e.g. At Leorio's maximum, he can restore anyone's health to it when it was peak during his life time. So if someone loses a limb 10 years ago, the limb will regrow. This will be Leorio's ability- God Hand

Since that lizard guy has the 'god plan'ability, no reason why there can't be a god hand right ;)

[gehad]

How did you know about that God Hand thing , it wasn't mentioned before , did i miss something ?? I guess that the person appearing could definitely be Jairo , this is the best time for Togashi to introduce him & involve him in the scenario .

[nfinitfx]

Just a speculation, or idea for togashi to make Leorio character useful, and bring him back to the main plot

[Host Samurai]

I guess that the person appearing could definitely be Jairo , this is the best time for Togashi to introduce him & involve him in the scenario .

We have already to much villains in this arc no need to introduce another one. The situation is already worse for the Hunters they've, their hands full with the overpowered King and the Royal Guards...they can't fight another strong opponent right now IMO.

[Jack Van Burace]

Leorio will most likely have emission Nen, and after he learns how to be a doctor, he's likely to be a healer without opening someone's body. That will be his involvement: to be the party's healer. Similarly we're likely to have one member for each Nen type: Senritsu for specialization and Wing's apprentice for Manipulation.

Anyway, I suppose this person to kill Morau must be an ant, otherwise he wouldn't get killed this meaninglessly. Perhaps the King became bloodlusting after he ate his guardians??

[firework]

How did you know about that God Hand thing , it wasn't mentioned before , did i miss something ?? I guess that the person appearing could definitely be Jairo , this is the best time for Togashi to introduce him & involve him in the scenario .

hes just making it up. Leorio does not have an ability.

I think he will have a healing ability but i dont want him to because healers are
overrated
useless

[HumanRage]

healers, useless ? you are kidding right ?

biscuit have a healing abilty for example, even if it's "just" stress and sore relieving, it sure helped gon and killuah dig their tunnel and getting stronger

true healing is even more valuable, as they widely required the great angel card here and there to fix themselves in the previous arc.

kurapika and leolio, admit it or not, are sidekicks. like hundreds of shonen sidekicks before them, they got offscreened because the author prefered to introduce new sidekicks. for myself, i don't really like leolio and don't miss him at all. kurapika either, until he provided serious badassery with his curse and nen specialty/sharpness of usage.

leolio being the goofy healing character, i don't mind, but to rehabilitate this forgotten characters (like how many chapters and... how many IRL YEARS without him even on picture ? oh yeah i remember now he was on a cover like "hey don't forget me" lol) , some serious deus machina will have to operate...

[BigCamaro]

new image from 301 http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1802/ch301.jpg
source (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=31803062&postcount=40)
302 next week..hopefully no more hiatus http://www.imagebam.com/image/e9c06c72341655

[Idol]

NEW PICS

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9774/hxh301.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/i/hxh301.jpg/)

[•Sasuke•]

new pics [3] 2ch & re-hosted onApd (http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=36075289&p=253551942)

http://i40.tinypic.com/2yjok06.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/zk0qi1.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/w2lw5h.jpg

[gehad]

Damn , the bastard is completely restored to normal . NETERO'S DEATH WAS IN VAIN , THAT SUCKS !!!

[Gcat88]

WHY WONT HE DIE?????
I really hope Netro isnt gone forever. I would have been happier if he died against the 8 spiders not against a BUG!!

[gehad]

Oh well , he'll die because of the bomb that blew him to bits & anyway even before the bomb exploded by milliseconds he stopped his heart using his other hand so he sure is dead may be his nen would get stronger & kill the king by someway .

[Negative Syndicate]

I have a quick question.

I know that Yupii and Pufu didn't like changed Meruem (that's why they dislike Komugi). On the other hand, does Pitou like changed Meruem or is he on same side as Yupii and Pufu?

[gehad]

I don't know but they all probably didn't dislike him . Only pufu was a bit disappointed because the king was about to regret his own actions .

BTW , lookin on the bright side Yupi could now be eaten , chewed , swallowed & digested by Meleron :D . I guess he isn't a threat anymore right ?

[kkck]

It seems the RG are now powerless tiny bugs but in turn the king grew even stronger. Wonder how exactly he will be dealt with.

[HumanRage]

king lost his memories, and i'm afraid his "kind, reasonable" side too !

[SmellsLikeTeenSh!t]

Hoho thank god the spoiler from yesterday were fake. Intereseting RAW btw cant wait for the translation

[BigCamaro]

Scanlation out: One Manga
http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/301/01/

[kkck]

Nice chapter, although it was just setup for the battles to come. I could see pitou being defeated with hakoware if the remaining hunters play their cards extremely well but also defeating the king will prove difficult. Specially now that he is even stronger and also apparently acquired the guards powers.

Wonder how exactly pouf will be affected by hakoware once he divides in the future. Hakoware works based on the amount of nen the victim has so it is plausible once he divides into more parts each will have little nen. Right now he has one large clone but once he has hundreds of smaller ones things might change.

[BigCamaro]

These guys dont stand a chance against the king even together. Someone else is gonna have to show up if theyre to survive. Doesnt hakoware allow for tracking? Maybe Knuckle can hit king with it, or they can just assume pufu will always be with king, and retreat with the assurance that at least they know where he is...

[ghostexiled]

looks like someone got their hands on the book "How to be Hax" by Azien :p

we all knew he was not going to die... but geez, he is %100 back and even stronger than ever?! Generally it would be up to the main characters to beat him... but NONE of them are even close to Netro's power level, let alone Merum's.

So what are they going to do... have a nobody show up and defeat him?

I am hoping for the Spiders to intervene, more specifically Chrollo Lucifer... I mean he took on both Killua's father and grandfather with dare I say ease!?

[Shiro-kun]

Meruem is overrated ..
His memories loss seriously? after .. all ..that development =_=


Edit : Kuroro / Chrollo intefereing would be awesome , it would mean his nen chains have been removed

Get of rid of the ant king ...Im tired of Meruem -_-

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think it will be interesting to see how this stuff plays out. I'm sure that Pufu won't succeed in eliminating Komugi (what would be the point after spending like 20 chapters healing her?), so I wonder if this is going to be his downfall.

[IamJacky]

I think it's obvious enough that as far as the situation goes, it is not about "taking" down" or "beating" the King anymore, we need to move out of that logic because it wouldn't make sense to have someone or some team like the Spiders to beat him, it just wouldn't work.

I did notice something though, when the King remembered a dual, an obscure image appears and at first glance I thought it reminded him the battle with Netero; but then I realized actually it's an image of the Jougi(sp?) chess thing he was playing with Komugi.

So, I think it's only a matter of time before he remembers his feelings/whatnot for Komugi - however, I think the catch is whether he regains his memory before something bad happens to Komugi; if she gets hurt, it will probably be done by Pouf or maybe even the King himself (before he remembers).

[hunter71485]

I think Meruem will resign himself to playing against Komugi forever, much to the dismay of Pufu.

[Sachsenhesse]

so pufu and yupi lost some of his strength and give it to the king, thats quite a good result for neteros bomb, afterall these two were some troublemakers and are now an easier task for gon and killuah, the king will not be defeatet, he will change sites and will then get betrayed as a sign that humanity is poor :D

[gehad]

I don't think that anyone would show up , its just not Togashi's style . A possible scenario could be the king remembering Komugi & then remembering his fight with Netero . I Just wish he could disappear because he really pisses me off right now .

[shouryuujo]

palm looks better after being converted. I think king might kill pufu when he finds out about the truth

[shaheer]

great now the and boy is more powerful and netero is Dead , what can get worse

[sharingan_kakashi]

I don't think that anyone would show up , its just not Togashi's style . A possible scenario could be the king remembering Komugi & then remembering his fight with Netero .

agreed. after the king remembers everything he may have a chnge of heart. that could have happened already if he didnt lose his freakin memory.

fanboy:
the king should face someone who is so much powerful that he is so he would lose his conceit. And by this i mean Jin, its perfect Gon isnt there and so far Jin has been hyped up to be this ubermensch.

[kkck]

I think killua's relatives might interfere. The old man had a bad taste left from accidentally hurting the girl so perhaps he might return to make up for it. His dragon technique could do severe damage specially with hakoware stuck to the ants.

[shaheer]

The old man had a bad taste left from accidentally hurting the girl so perhaps he might return to make up for it.
eh even netro was unable to, i seriously doubt that Killuas family can do better
and any way , do you guys really think that Netro was outmatched? i mean is there any hope left taht the hunter association has ppl strong enough to counter them, and where the hell is Jin

[Dive]

and any way , do you guys really think that Netro was outmatched? i mean is there any hope left taht the hunter association has ppl strong enough to counter them, and where the hell is Jin

Yes. 100% believe that. Why? He was old. He even said it himself he wasn't as strong as he once was. I guarantee you a good majority of the Spiders could take on old Netero. Probably not with ease, but they would still come out on top.

And how about the other people stronger than Ging? Didn't Netero say he was ONE of the five strongest nen users in the world?

[kkck]

Yes. 100% believe that. Why? He was old. He even said it himself he wasn't as strong as he once was. I guarantee you a good majority of the Spiders could take on old Netero. Probably not with ease, but they would still come out on top.

And how about the other people stronger than Ging? Didn't Netero say he was ONE of the five strongest nen users in the world?

Personally, I don't think the mayority of the spiders could take netero lol. I don't see how most of them with the abilities they have shown could possibly defend from hundred of thousand hits at such absurd speed. I would think netero is still a level above the ryodan with the exception of chrollo. I could see them putting a decent fight though, with nen you never know.
[hr]

eh even netro was unable to, i seriously doubt that Killuas family can do better
and any way , do you guys really think that Netro was outmatched? i mean is there any hope left taht the hunter association has ppl strong enough to counter them, and where the hell is Jin

I don't think killua's relatives have a chance on their own but if combined with kahoware they could make a difference. I could see killua's granfather getting the guy who just got hakoware bankrupt on his own -with a good deal of difficulty though-. Same thing could be said for killuas dad.

[darkband]

One thing I wonder is if Hakoware will bankrupt Pufu quicker since he gave a lot of his energy to the king. He gave all the energy he could except from his split off part, so he probably is weak. As for Yupi, I don't think he is even a consideration anymore as far as battle is concerned.

It really doesn't feel right at this point for someone to come out of nowhere and beat the king, so I personally doubt that the spiders will show up. Nor Jin for that matter since he is even less in the immediate area. Though I'm really glad we won't be going into hiatus, and I trust the author will make the conclusion of the arc believable.

[Dive]

I don't see Ging showing up either. He's really harsh on Gon, and this is probably another tribulation that Gon bust overcome in his eyes.

[BigCamaro]

yeah the spiders definitely wont do as well as netero. Kuroro was on about Zeno's level (who is admittedly < Netero). Zeno said hed beat him for sure if he kept fighting like that..though he was fighting to steal his ability. If he got serious one on one he didnt say. If Kuroro and Hisoka teamed up who knows. Though phinks feitan etc seemed unwilling to team up against that Queen..who did make a rusty feitan go all out..though she was probably closer in strength to leol than the royal guards.

As for Zeno and Silva teaming up against the King..its a thought especially as coordinated assassins. But regardless of killua someone'd have to pay them to do it. And like someone else said..its not really Togashi's style to have the cavalry arrive. When people show up its usually random which is more realistic. Still the current group doesnt stand a chance so Knuckle or someones gonna have to talk the King into a change of heart.

[hunter71485]

eh even netro was unable to, i seriously doubt that Killuas family can do better
and any way , do you guys really think that Netro was outmatched? i mean is there any hope left taht the hunter association has ppl strong enough to counter them, and where the hell is Jin


Yes. 100% believe that. Why? He was old. He even said it himself he wasn't as strong as he once was. I guarantee you a good majority of the Spiders could take on old Netero. Probably not with ease, but they would still come out on top.

And how about the other people stronger than Ging? Didn't Netero say he was ONE of the five strongest nen users in the world?


Personally, I don't think the mayority of the spiders could take netero lol. I don't see how most of them with the abilities they have shown could possibly defend from hundred of thousand hits at such absurd speed. I would think netero is still a level above the ryodan with the exception of chrollo. I could see them putting a decent fight though, with nen you never know.

Don't be absurd guys. We're talking about Netero here. He's the best the humans had to offer. Ryodan's not at Netero's level, even as a group. Remember Razor? The Ryodan backed down when they saw him. They KNEW they were no match for him. And Razor is a nobody compared to Netero.

[shaheer]

We're talking about Netero here. He's the best the humans had to offer
u know i personally think Ging is stronger than netro, for some one who never shows up or fight any major battles(if he did his powers and capabilities would be well known around, all they know that he is powerful and only the hunters know his level ie he must have fought but not much is know abt his powers so he doesnt need to show his secrets) think how dangerous he will be if he is dead serious and fighting to kill
but again i m just speculating, well just look at his masterpiece debut yu yu hakusho the daddy was the strongest one of the 3 out there

[gehad]

The Ryodan are sick bastards but not as Netero , the old Geezer is really on a whole different level , I do believe that there are stronger nen users that Netero at this time but probably they are the top 5 only , he himself said that he is like half of what he was before & look how magnificent he was . Anyway there are still strong nen users as i said but as far as i saw Netero is the strongest character introduced in the story until now and yes he was outmached even before he started the fight otherwise he wouldn't have reached the resolve of implanting a bomb in his body . His desire to fight a much stronger opponent is what made him fight the king to that extent " Thumbs up for the old man " .

As for the ryodan fighting the king , i don't think that they're able to beat him individually , but as a group they could beat the hell out of them . For example Shalnark , Phinx & Feitan against Yupi , come on i guess they would've won but anyway i don't think that they'll show up because they're not concerned about the ants now they just killed the ants invading their home & that's it .

Jin , he's supposed to be strong but why would he show up , he could've shown up when Gon was fighting Gensuru in GI & had his hands & legs blown up to bits but he didn't . I don't think he'll even bother to show up now .

I really don't think that its Togashi's style to make a certain character pop out of no where to interfere in a fight . The solution to this whole big problem is KOMUGI , she's the one who'll get the king back to his senses again & she's the key to solve all of this after all she's the only creature that the king probably didn't hurt with a scratch !!

[BigCamaro]

u know i personally think Ging is stronger than netro, for some one who never shows up or fight any major battles(if he did his powers and capabilities would be well known around, all they know that he is powerful and only the hunters know his level ie he must have fought but not much is know abt his powers so he doesnt need to show his secrets) think how dangerous he will be if he is dead serious and fighting to kill
but again i m just speculating, well just look at his masterpiece debut yu yu hakusho the daddy was the strongest one of the 3 out there

there should be at least 5 humans currently stronger than netero since he says he was once regarded in the top 5. Gin is in that to 5. But no one knows where he is. I imagine the other top 5 are equally hard to get a hold of. So Netero is the best the humans who cared had to offered since hes probably the only one they could reach. And some have the zoldyecks business card..

Speaking of the Ryodan, who do you think the strongest ant is Ubogin could beat? He was like a brute force Aura powerhouse when introduced and quickly killed. And the ants rarely show much strategy except for the RG and the king. My guess is leol, and maybe do some damage to a RG but not beat them.

[kkck]

Don't be absurd guys. We're talking about Netero here. He's the best the humans had to offer. Ryodan's not at Netero's level, even as a group. Remember Razor? The Ryodan backed down when they saw him. They KNEW they were no match for him. And Razor is a nobody compared to Netero.

Hey, I am agreeing with you, lol. I did mention that with nen you never know and that much is extremely true though. I mean, surely knuckle won't win against the king or netero nor he would have a shred of a chance but that does not make either the king or netero any less vulnerable to abilities such as hakoware. The king or netero could be overwhelmingly stronger than someone but if the condition for an ability is met then it does not matter how strong you are, you are very likely screwed. For instance, imagine the king for some reason became a member of the ryodan. He surely would be light years about kurapika but he would still have a good deal of trouble dealing with unbreakable chains for instance. If kurapika uses his heart chain thing on the king the king would be about as screwed as chrollo was. Those are just some fictional examples though, don't take them that seriously.

[hunter71485]

He surely would be light years about kurapika but he would still have a good deal of trouble dealing with unbreakable chains for instance.

Not quite. Kurapica's chains can be broken by brute physical force, and Meruem has got enough physical strength to break it without using nen. Remember it forces the captured enemy into using zetsu. That's why he tested it on the (physically) strongest Ryodan, to make sure no one in the Ryodan exists strong enough to break it.

[EbaForeva]

there should be at least 5 humans currently stronger than netero since he says he was once regarded in the top 5. Gin is in that to 5.
That's not true. Netero only said he was no longer the #1 Nen user. Whether he was out of the top 5 when he said that we don't know yet. IMO he was probably #3 or #4.

[gehad]

@ Ebaforeva

welcome , seems that people are gathering again in here :D

Anyway , I do think that Netero is out of the top 5 , There must me another of nen abilities combined with strength that we didn't see yet . I do believe the Ging could be 3rd & i do believe that Kurruo is the 5th . We didn't ever see him fight & he's got a load of nen abilities that we didn't see too .

Another thing , it was mentioned that Zeno & Silva could stand a chance against the king . I don't think so , Zeno's ability isn't as fast as Netero's also Silva's ability seems to be launching a nen blast or something which won't be that effective at all to the king & in terms of normal strength they don't stand a chance either . If a 3rd nen user could be with them it could make a huge difference though !

[hunter71485]

That's not true. Netero only said he was no longer the #1 Nen user. Whether he was out of the top 5 when he said that we don't know yet. IMO he was probably #3 or #4.


@ Ebaforeva

welcome , seems that people are gathering again in here :D

Anyway , I do think that Netero is out of the top 5 , There must me another of nen abilities combined with strength that we didn't see yet . I do believe the Ging could be 3rd & i do believe that Kurruo is the 5th . We didn't ever see him fight & he's got a load of nen abilities that we didn't see too .


Geez, you guys took what Netero said seriously. Do you think he'd be elected chairman for the past few decades if he isn't hellish strong? He was playing humble when he said he's past his prime, and there are alot of people who's stronger than he is. Because if that is true, why didn't he take them to East Goruto?

[SmellsLikeTeenSh!t]

Geez, you guys took what Netero said seriously. Do you think he'd be elected chairman for the past few decades if he isn't hellish strong? He was playing humble when he said he's past his prime, and there are alot of people who's stronger than he is. Because if that is true, why didn't he take them to East Goruto?

Because they got other things to do?
Because they thought Netero should be enough? (He would if Knuckle and Morau did not fail)
Because the author didnt want to introduce the strongest characters of this manga at this point?

[gehad]

Because they got other things to do?
Because they thought Netero should be enough? (He would if Knuckle and Morau did not fail)
Because the author didnt want to introduce the strongest characters of this manga at this point?

I second that . Not to mention that Hunters are selfish , Ging left his son with his aunt & after Gon was finally getting to see him he refused because he a friend with him . I think he would care less if the ants didn't catch his interest in the 1st place . What could make Ging actually appear now is one thing though i really doubt it & I refuse introducing new characters at this point but its just a theory .

Kaito knows ging very well , he was his master & Kaito's final task was finding ging & he managed to find him , he probably told him about Gon anyway , also out of all people Ging told his friend to send Gon to Kaito if he had any company so i guess their kinda close to each other may be Kaito told Ging somehow about the Chimera ants even before entering NGL with Gon & Killua !

[hunter71485]

Because they got other things to do?
Because they thought Netero should be enough? (He would if Knuckle and Morau did not fail)
Because the author didnt want to introduce the strongest characters of this manga at this point?


I second that .

Utter BS. If they think Netero is enough then they believed Netero is the still the strongest combatant they have. Read the whole arc carefully. Just because someone did a heroic sacrifice doesn't mean he wasn't the strongest.

[Gcat88]

He WAS the strongest, we have no idea if that is true the day he died. Ging might be stronger, or there might be others that are stronger, we dont know. Netro did the best he could, and he was considered by most to be the best strongest Hunter in the world. It doesnt matter now since he is dad, unless he has a Nen that led him make a copy and the real one is hidden;I WISH!!!

[kkck]

Utter BS. If they think Netero is enough then they believed Netero is the still the strongest combatant they have. Read the whole arc carefully. Just because someone did a heroic sacrifice doesn't mean he wasn't the strongest.

They clearly didn't think netero was enough since they implanted a powerful bomb to his heart right? Would they sacrifice the strongest? As for whether netero was the strongest, I kinda have my doubts. Netero was the president so I would think he was the best they could get at the moment. Also, there is no guarantee other hunters would even accept the mission nor that they would be able to get a hold of them. Take gin, even after relentless hunting his son cannot get a hold of him nor even a shred of a clue about his whereabouts. Also, choosing netero does not necessarily mean he was the strongest -it does speak for him though-.

[hunter71485]

They clearly didn't think netero was enough since they implanted a powerful bomb to his heart right? Would they sacrifice the strongest?

It was Netero's plan. When Caruto told him even the Royal Guards are stronger than he is he made sure he'd be able to take out the King. Besides, the Hunter Association WILL sacrifice their strongest - it's politics. The board members want to be in control, because they always get shunted by the president's decisions. That's why Netero's popularity has been declining as the election day drew near.

[gehad]

It was Netero's plan. When Caruto told him even the Royal Guards are stronger than he is he made sure he'd be able to take out the King. Besides, the Hunter Association WILL sacrifice their strongest - it's politics. The board members want to be in control, because they always get shunted by the president's decisions. That's why Netero's popularity has been declining as the election day drew near.


Yeah the bomb was Netero's plan , but it was discussed between Novu & Morau once that the hunter committee wanted to get rid of Netero anyway & that they want a new president & stuff like that so they hired him on that mission . Netero is strong , but he isn't the strongest out there , not now at least & about him being enough , the ants were severely underestimated from the beginning , ever since Kaito died & they took them lightly so knowing that Netero was enough or not wasn't even possible at that time .

[EbaForeva]

Geez, you guys took what Netero said seriously. Do you think he'd be elected chairman for the past few decades if he isn't hellish strong? He was playing humble when he said he's past his prime, and there are alot of people who's stronger than he is. Because if that is true, why didn't he take them to East Goruto?
Firstly, there's no detail in the manga that states that to become and be reelected as the chairman of the Hunter Association a person needs to be the strongest Nen user. When Netero was first chosen as the head of the HA being the strongest might have been a requirement, but later on, it must have been his achievements and influence on other hunters that were the determinants.

Secondly, it was said in the manga that some fellows in the Board of the HA disliked Netero and didn't want him to be accompanied by all the hunters he recommended in the extermination mission.

Thirdly, it's very hard to find the whereabouts of the very best Nen users like Gon's father.

Fourthly, whether he was just acting modest saying that he was no longer the best we don't know, but unless it's said otherwise, that sentence of his is the only legit evidence to judge his power in comparison to other human Nen users'. Everything else is just speculation.


Another thing , it was mentioned that Zeno & Silva could stand a chance against the king . I don't think so , Zeno's ability isn't as fast as Netero's also Silva's ability seems to be launching a nen blast or something which won't be that effective at all to the king & in terms of normal strength they don't stand a chance either . If a 3rd nen user could be with them it could make a huge difference though !
I tried to but couldn't find anything in the manga that referred to how Zeno and Silva would fare against the King.

[Raad]

Netero is obviously not the strongest out there. Among the Zaoldyeck I think at least Silva could be stronger than him, remember that age plays a role and Silva is still at him prime, remember also how he finished Zitoh, he made a huge hole without any effort (at least apparently!).
About Gin I'm personally tired of hearing about him rescuing the team and the reasons are pretty clear i think...
PS: Looks like nexgear's geeks are gathering again! :D

[BurnSchulz]

Geez, you guys took what Netero said seriously. Do you think he'd be elected chairman for the past few decades if he isn't hellish strong? He was playing humble when he said he's past his prime, and there are alot of people who's stronger than he is. Because if that is true, why didn't he take them to East Goruto?

Because their unreachable, like Gin for Example?


And Netero only said Gin was one of the 5 greatest Nen-Experts in the World. For me that doesnt automaticly mean that he is one of the 5 strongest, but one of the 5 Persons with great and perfectly developed techniques.
We didnt even know what this technique is good for, it doesnt even automaticly be usefull for fights.
Remember Gin was one of the Designers of Greed Island, and i personally dont belive that a strong fighting technique alone is enough to do that.
Well ok there were more persons who build greed island, but dont expect too much from Gin and especially his fighting power.
I believe that he is strong, but i wont believe that his nen-technique is for fighting, and killing, only.
Because he is a professional Hunter who loves the animals and who wants to keep nature alive, not to destroy it.
And if i were about to keep something, i wouldnt even develop a technique which is suitable only for destruction.


Get what i mean?

Neteros Technique was a fighting Class technique, and this fits totally to his personality. He trained his fighting power for years, and mastered unbelievable powers.
Even if he was old, and his good times were most likely over for years, his technique was for fighting enemies.

So to beat the King there were 3 possibilities only.
1. A technique or fighting strengh wich is greater as neteros and wich will destroy the king. - Very unlikely (for me)
2. A technique wich is tricky with tricky rules what will let the King in a big disadvantage (Like Hakoware) - wich is very likely i think, because Hunter X Hunter isnt Dragonball Z so it doenst only have to be Stronger Faster Better to win aggainst strong enemies.

3. And the third one is, that the king will defeat himself. This point is hard to explain, but think about all of the kings psychologic developments, expecially with kumogi. Maybe his memory comes back and somehow he cant take it...
Even if i am unable to explain what exactly i mean, because i cant find a suitable example, this point is not that unlikely to me. All his developments cant turn into nothing just because his memorys left (for now)...
So we must focus on how this will develop from now on.

[hunter71485]

What I don't understand is this: How come most of you are fixated with Ging as the best hunter alive?


Remember Gin was one of the Designers of Greed Island, and i personally dont belive that a strong fighting technique alone is enough to do that.
I have to agree with you there. But to have mastery over nen makes it applicable to anything you can think of - Take Razor for example. He was a convicted murderer, clearly powerful enough to become a one-man team, feared by the Ryodan, yet he can use his nen as a method of transport for the G.I. game.


Netero is obviously not the strongest out there. Among the Zaoldyeck I think at least Silva could be stronger than him, remember that age plays a role and Silva is still at him prime, remember also how he finished Zitoh, he made a huge hole without any effort (at least apparently!).
Impossible. The Zaoldyeck knows their limits, and in that capacity Silva resides. That is why Silva allowed Killua to travel with Gon, because he knew Killua will become the strongest person the clan has ever had. And don't forget, the room in which Novu sends captured ants at the beginning of the extermination arc - remember Netero wasn't even using nen then.

What can that mean? It may mean Netero has fully mastered all aspects of his abilities, his Hyakku Kannon the very embodiment of the school he teaches, attacking at faster than the speed of sound, hitting with such power, even the Zero merits attention - he channeled his very life force into the attack.

That is the strength of the strongest man who lived. Anyways his time was over, and his successors have made a good contingency plan - since they didn't put Netero above winning, they now have the card which matters most - even if they know it or not.

[brigid001]

hey guys. i've been lurking around on these forums for a bit but never actually posted anything lol i enjoy reading all the interesting discusions. well i'd just like to say i recently just got back into hxh. i watched the anime a long time ago and loved it. i knew the manga was ongoing but i heard it had a lot of hiatuses so i postponed it for awhile. but i'm glad i picked it back up. i've actually quite enjoyed the chimera ant arc and i look forward to every chapter only some other 2 shounen manga which i won't get into :amuse but i really love this manga and i hope to have some great discussions. oh yea what did u guys all think of the hxh anime? i thought it was pretty awesome and i hope another ova is made for this arc in the future. it seems both togash's works got awesome anime adaptions :D

[IamJacky]

why do you guys keep arguing who is stronger or who MAY be stronger? The fact is that no matter how strong a human nen user is, he's not going to beat the King period.

and for the sake of the argument, Netero is by far the strongest human we've seen in action, to argue that there is someone out there stronger than him is pointless, because the King owned Netero, and I doubt any other Nen user will own Netero like the King did, to say that there's someone stronger out there is pretty much turning this series into Dragon Ballz or Naruto - enemy strong, main character trains and become stronger, and then stronger enemy shows, blah blah blah.

And there probably won't be another bomb killing the King; for those of you who say: "how about a specialty nen like Hakoware or Kurapika's chain? that might beat King." - I don't think so, before Hakoware renders the King bankrupt, which may take a couple of days, the King has already wiped out the whole crew; Kurapika's chain will not capture the King EVEN if the chain was designed for the King because the guy is way too powerful physically. EVEN if it worked, it'd be lame, because then Netero's death would not be justified, why 1v1 when there was a better tactic?

And then to argue about Netero being one of the top five, even if it matters, Netero is clearly stronger than the Spiders and Killua's family; maybe not Killua's father, and that's only because we don't really know just how strong he is, but Killua's dad and Netero are are very much likely equal in power. (whatever you say, Killua's dad ain't gonna own Netero like the King did.)

Age? who cares? did you see what Netero did? even with his limbs torn off he still put up the fight, such a badass - why would Togashi do that if Netero wasn't one of the strongest? why woudln't Zero work on King? because Togashi wants to tell us, that human can NOT beat the King, he is the pinnacle of life as he said it, if Netero wasn't one of the strongest human alive, then Togashi wouldn't put that much emphasis on Netero would he?

Not that I think anyone will show up, but even if someone does show up, what they can do BEST is retreat. So how do you end this Arc? What happens if the bad guy can't be beat? well that is the genius of this arc, In my opinion, the only logical story line that follows to the end of this arc lies in KOMUGI and the King himself, with some twist with Pufu that we currently see.

[Host Samurai]

well that is the genius of this arc, In my opinion, the only logical story line that follows to the end of this arc lies in KOMUGI and the King himself, with some twist with Pufu that we currently see.

I think Pufu is probably out of the three Royal Guards the first, who's going to die soon. http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/301-77/7
The only way how the Hunters can defeat the King lies in Meleoron's God's Accomplice ability in order to catch him off guard and kill him at the same time.

[kkck]

And there probably won't be another bomb killing the King; for those of you who say: "how about a specialty nen like Hakoware or Kurapika's chain? that might beat King." - I don't think so, before Hakoware renders the King bankrupt, which may take a couple of days, the King has already wiped out the whole crew; Kurapika's chain will not capture the King EVEN if the chain was designed for the King because the guy is way too powerful physically. EVEN if it worked, it'd be lame, because then Netero's death would not be justified, why 1v1 when there was a better tactic?

At least about the hakoware part you are severely mistaken, it would not take anywhere near to days. It would not even come close to 6 hours. It kinda depends on a bunch of things though. If hakoware starts with 200-500 then it would take between 2 and 3 hours for the king to go bankrupt -made the calculations assuming the king has 2000000 worth of nen(I would think he is nowhere near that though)-. Of course knuckle and co surviving that time against the king is severely unlikely and borderline impossible. Still, if they manage to device some sort of strategy there is an infinitely small possibility they would pull it off. It's a shame knuckle didn't get hakoware on the king before his fight with netero. In that scenario the hundreds of thousands of hits the king took would have forced the king bankrupt easily. Of course knuckle would have had to be close to the king for that to work but still...

[EbaForeva]

We can be sure that there's absolutely no way for the remaining good guys in the palace to beat the King. I think they'll have to use Komugi to buy some time then retreat and come back w/ reinforcements to fight him. The King's Nen level must be huge by now, 2,000,000 Hakoware points shouldn't be too farfetched considering Yupi alone had 400,000 points, but if the humankind can form a team of Nen users w/ sick specialized spell-type Nen abilities, which are not necessarily purely meant for combat, like enhancing the effectiveness of other Nen abilities by 20% or something like that, I think they will be able to take down the King.

[Dive]

Kurapika's chain will not capture the King EVEN if the chain was designed for the King because the guy is way too powerful physically.

The chain can only break through brute force, since once it's wrapped around the opponent, it turns them into Zetsu state, so no Nen can be used to enhance strength. And I doubt in terms of physical strength, the King could break it. Uvo was the strongest in terms of physical strength within the Spiders, and he couldn't break it. Only person I could see actually breaking it would be someone like Razor.

[IamJacky]

At least about the hakoware part you are severely mistaken, it would not take anywhere near to days. It would not even come close to 6 hours. It kinda depends on a bunch of things though. If hakoware starts with 200-500 then it would take between 2 and 3 hours for the king to go bankrupt -made the calculations assuming the king has 2000000 worth of nen(I would think he is nowhere near that though)-. Of course knuckle and co surviving that time against the king is severely unlikely and borderline impossible. Still, if they manage to device some sort of strategy there is an infinitely small possibility they would pull it off.
Yes you are right, I didn't really calculate, but at any rate, like you said, it is very, very unlikely that the remaining good guys will survive until the King goes bankrupt.

How many hits does it take for the King to kill/disable one good guy? One; how many good guys can really dodge/block the King's blow? Judging from the fight with King vs Netero....None. Maybe Killua with his lightening technique or God's Accomplice they can evade it, but then Yupi is aware of God's Accomplice ability AND he's also aware of Hakoware, he may not know what that is exactly, but at the very least he knows Knuckle is the owner of that technique, and this information given to the King may be vital to the good guys, IF they decide to fight the King.


It's a shame knuckle didn't get hakoware on the king before his fight with netero. In that scenario the hundreds of thousands of hits the king took would have forced the king bankrupt easily. Of course knuckle would have had to be close to the king for that to work but still...

That's true, but then it'd be a very, very different scenario - I think King would act differently if something hit him out of no where and Potclean shows up with some numbers on the head.


The chain can only break through brute force, since once it's wrapped around the opponent, it turns them into Zetsu state, so no Nen can be used to enhance strength. And I doubt in terms of physical strength, the King could break it. Uvo was the strongest in terms of physical strength within the Spiders, and he couldn't break it. Only person I could see actually breaking it would be someone like Razor.

Yes and that is exactly my point, I believe the King CAN break the chain with his brute force, even if Kurapika's chain is designed for the King. I don't know about Razor breaking it, but I disagree with the Razor > King (physical strength) thing, I mean, picture this, the King vs. Razor in arm wrestling, no nen allowed, what's going to happen?

I have no proof that in the following images the King wasn't using Nen, but judging from the looks, it sure looked like he was using solely physical strength:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/04/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/05/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/10/

[Wowzers]

Just one little (additional) problem with using Hakoware on the king... Don't you have to do at least some damage to the king for him to start to borrow... otherwise the interest calculation won't start. I don't think there is anyone there who could do damage to him. Netero went all out and did so little damage (lets ignore the nuke), I find it hard to believe any of the remaining team could do anything to him.

[hunter71485]

Hey I got a question (which apparently nobody has noticed):

How come Pufu and Meruem saw Hakoware when Knuckles used it in conjunction with God's Accomplice? Does it not work on doubles?

[IamJacky]

Hey I got a question (which apparently nobody has noticed):

How come Pufu and Meruem saw Hakoware when Knuckles used it in conjunction with God's Accomplice? Does it not work on doubles?

That's a good point; I think either that or God's Accomplice is released.



Just one little (additional) problem with using Hakoware on the king... Don't you have to do at least some damage to the king for him to start to borrow... otherwise the interest calculation won't start. I don't think there is anyone there who could do damage to him. Netero went all out and did so little damage (lets ignore the nuke), I find it hard to believe any of the remaining team could do anything to him.

You don't really need to do damage to initiate Hakoware, because Knuckle is really "lending" the amount of Nen to the opponent; as long as the Nen is not returned to Knuckle, the interest accumulates.

[EbaForeva]

I have no proof that in the following images the King wasn't using Nen, but judging from the looks, it sure looked like he was using solely physical strength:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/04/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/05/

http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/213/10/
The King likely knew how to use Nen at the very moment he was born, he's like a Nen being:
http://www.onemanga.com/Hunter_X_Hunter/214/06/
Another circumstantial evidence is that in an earlier chapter Pitou showed that he could use Nen right after hatching out, even before knowing what it was. The King is the supreme being in the Ants' hierachy, so there's no reason he should have been slower than Pitou when it comes to utilizing Nen.
This's not to say that without Nen he's physically weaker than Razor. There's no direct evidence regarding the King's physicality but if lowly ants could crush huge trees w/o using Nen, the King should still be considered a monster even if he's forced into a Zetsu condition.

[gehad]

Oh well , using Hakoware would be a smart move , but 2 to 3 hours if not more than that is more than plenty of time for the king to wipe 15 hunters at their level . Don't forget that all of the fighting that occurred roughly took an hour , I don't think that anyone would survive for 3 hours when the king is around . Another point is , even if the king's nen is sealed so WHAT , its not like we've seen him use a nen ability or something , with his strength & his rough body for defense i guess that non of the hunters of the team using nen would be able to par with him . He's a bit overpowered & that's what i hate about him so the solution to all this mess will be something unpredictable .

[BurnSchulz]

We can be sure that there's absolutely no way for the remaining good guys in the palace to beat the King. I think they'll have to use Komugi to buy some time then retreat and come back w/ reinforcements to fight him. The King's Nen level must be huge by now, 2,000,000 Hakoware points shouldn't be too farfetched considering Yupi alone had 400,000 points, but if the humankind can form a team of Nen users w/ sick specialized spell-type Nen abilities, which are not necessarily purely meant for combat, like enhancing the effectiveness of other Nen abilities by 20% or something like that, I think they will be able to take down the King.

In My opinion Nen-Level-discussions are worse than the "Powerlevel" discussions about Dragonball Z long time ago...

It does not matter if Goku had a powerlevel of 4.000.000 or 10.000.000 in Super Sayajin State vs. Freezer or not...
And in Hunter X Hunter the ammount of Nen-Level or Hakoware-Points will never be a reason to win against the King...

You know why?

Because Hunter X Hunter is better than just "Be more powerfull than your enemy to defeat".
Hunter X Hunter shows ways to be able to change people or use tricky techniques that can bring huge advantages over enemies.

Or sometimes its just a matter of Strategie, not power alone..

For Example:

Gon won against Genrusu, even if gensuru was far Stronger and an High Class Nen-Specialist, Gon won because they had a well thought Strategie, that no powerlevel or "Nen-level" contest can compare with.

And even if the King is the strongest one in HxH World now, there will be People, a team, with a perfect strategie to win against.

Hunter X Hunter is better than just a Contest about power, and THAT is the reason i like it so much.
Hunter X Hunter is more like a Contest about "Who is smarter" or "who has the better technique/strategy" AND dont underestimate the role of the psychic state of people.

In my eyes the Psychic state of the King is crumbeled, it has obviously something to do with his memories. Im looking forward to see what will happen after he see komugi again, that will be for sure the Key to be succsessfull over the king!






I hope this post will not be erased this time, even if my english is obviously not perfect ...

[EbaForeva]

I think the amount of Nen an user has is just as important as the characteristics of his/her techniques or as his/her strategies. If the difference in Nen level is too big, even if his/her techniques are brilliant, and his/her strategies are well planned, the user with much less Nen will still end up being the loser. For example, Knuckle and Killua have developed awesome techniques but the King, who has a gigantic amount of Nen at the moment and only uses close-quarter combat techniques, will most likely wipe the floor with them plus the rest of the invasion team. Another example is the fight b/w Ubogin and 4 of the 10 Shadow Beasts, the Beasts had excellent abilities compared to Ubogin's but b/c Ubogin was too strong they were killed like nothing.

[kkck]

True, like in all other manga to huge differences in raw power will equate in victory of the side that who has the greater power. Still, numbers and strategy can make up for the difference which is something I think will play a part in the next chapters.

Thinking about it, what is the difference between ugovins punch and gons rock attack lol? Both seem to be exactly the same except that ugovin would destroy gon easily any day of the week.

[BurnSchulz]

I think the amount of Nen an user has is just as important as the characteristics of his/her techniques or as his/her strategies. If the difference in Nen level is too big, even if his/her techniques are brilliant, and his/her strategies are well planned, the user with much less Nen will still end up being the loser. For example, Knuckle and Killua have developed awesome techniques but the King, who has a gigantic amount of Nen at the moment and only uses close-quarter combat techniques, will most likely wipe the floor with them plus the rest of the invasion team. Another example is the fight b/w Ubogin and 4 of the 10 Shadow Beasts, the Beasts had excellent abilities compared to Ubogin's but b/c Ubogin was too strong they were killed like nothing.

Yes, thats right. Nothing to disagree at this point.

But i dont like those "Nen-Level-predictions" because it doesnt feel right to rate every technique and every character in the future with this nen level scale. You dint need to know if the King has a nen level amount of 2.000.000 or 10.000.000 or whatever else.

I mean, i personally coudlnt enjoy Hunter X Hunter when i am about to calculate every move or every ability to this scale, just to figure out who will win.
There where obviously more factors than some calculated power level to win or to lose a fight.
Its even possible that a fight isnt needed.

At the one side i think it was a nice idea to bring an ability like this in Hunter X Hunter, but i on the other side its not good to make this to important for the future of Hunter X Hunter.

It shouldnt end like DBZ where everyone was arguing about Gokus Powelevel in the Fights against Cell, or Boo or what was his Powerlevel against Majin Vegeta etc. etc.
Its not needed.

Thats my opinion.

[IamJacky]

But i dont like those "Nen-Level-predictions" because it doesnt feel right to rate every technique and every character in the future with this nen level scale. You dint need to know if the King has a nen level amount of 2.000.000 or 10.000.000 or whatever else.

I mean, i personally coudlnt enjoy Hunter X Hunter when i am about to calculate every move or every ability to this scale, just to figure out who will win.
There where obviously more factors than some calculated power level to win or to lose a fight.
Its even possible that a fight isnt needed.

At the one side i think it was a nice idea to bring an ability like this in Hunter X Hunter, but i on the other side its not good to make this to important for the future of Hunter X Hunter.

It shouldnt end like DBZ where everyone was arguing about Gokus Powelevel in the Fights against Cell, or Boo or what was his Powerlevel against Majin Vegeta etc. etc.
Its not needed.

Thats my opinion.

I think the estimation of King's nen in numbers was just a tool to argue how long it'd take for Hakoware to render King bankrupt - since I wrongfully suggested it was going to take a couple of days.

Either way, I agree with most guys here saying that in HxH it isn't about sheer power level or Nen abilities at all, but rather strategies. But, I disagree with the prediction that there will be another team or combination of strategies to take down King and finish this arc, not that it's impossible, but because if it does end this way, it just wouldn't feel complete, much like if the King died from the nuke (or if he died from the nuke BECAUSE of other nen abilities like Hakoware) it'd be logical, but it wouldn't feel right.

I still think the key to finish this arc lies between the King himself and Komugi, there will be some actions probably in the next few chapters, but to end this I think Komugi plays the ultimate role.

[Wowzers]

Here is my new theory: The fight with the King is actually all over already. He will get back to the castle and recognize Komugi in time to rescue her from Pufu. He then proceeds to play with Komugi and seems to quickly regain his memories but he starts to get sick. He has got radiation poisoning from the explosion. His rapid cellular regeneration has spread genetic damage throughout his body and it is breaking down. He spends the rest of his life trying to defeat Komugi.

[BurnSchulz]

I think the estimation of King's nen in numbers was just a tool to argue how long it'd take for Hakoware to render King bankrupt - since I wrongfully suggested it was going to take a couple of days.

Either way, I agree with most guys here saying that in HxH it isn't about sheer power level or Nen abilities at all, but rather strategies. But, I disagree with the prediction that there will be another team or combination of strategies to take down King and finish this arc, not that it's impossible, but because if it does end this way, it just wouldn't feel complete, much like if the King died from the nuke (or if he died from the nuke BECAUSE of other nen abilities like Hakoware) it'd be logical, but it wouldn't feel right.

I still think the key to finish this arc lies between the King himself and Komugi, there will be some actions probably in the next few chapters, but to end this I think Komugi plays the ultimate role.

This Team-Stuff was just an Example, not a prediction.
I also wouldnt believe that there will show up other Teams - in this arc right now!

[kkck]

Wish there was a thread where fights between HH characters could be discussed... I always wondered how bisk would fare against members of the ryodan-she seems to be on the level IMHO-.

[pirateninjahunter]

Oh well , using Hakoware would be a smart move , but 2 to 3 hours if not more than that is more than plenty of time for the king to wipe 15 hunters at their level . Don't forget that all of the fighting that occurred roughly took an hour , I don't think that anyone would survive for 3 hours when the king is around . Another point is , even if the king's nen is sealed so WHAT , its not like we've seen him use a nen ability or something , with his strength & his rough body for defense i guess that non of the hunters of the team using nen would be able to par with him . He's a bit overpowered & that's what i hate about him so the solution to all this mess will be something unpredictable .

All punches and kicks and tail strikes the king performs use nen. If he had not used nen to defend against Netero's attack he would already be dead. He must have concentrated his nen in the regions where netero was hitting him.

[hunter71485]

If he had not used nen to defend against Netero's attack he would already be dead.

No. That's why Netero was surprised; Meruem was impervious enough to render his supersonic attacks harmless.

[SmellsLikeTeenSh!t]

Here is my new theory: The fight with the King is actually all over already. He will get back to the castle and recognize Komugi in time to rescue her from Pufu. He then proceeds to play with Komugi and seems to quickly regain his memories but he starts to get sick. He has got radiation poisoning from the explosion. His rapid cellular regeneration has spread genetic damage throughout his body and it is breaking down. He spends the rest of his life trying to defeat Komugi.

The King will die so or so, ants wont get older then 2 oder 3 years except for the queen which lives normally 25 years.