Byakugan Mega Convo!

[ChristopherE]

They know and can see your vital points so it's easier to heal them and find what's wrong.


Your thoughts?

[macherie]

Interesting point, but then again i think in that same way, medical ninja are trained to be able to know these things, the Byakugan user would just have it off easy at first.. i think ^^;

[The Flash]

wow, your quite observant. Very interesting point!

[ChristopherE]

Thank you.

I just think it'd be a lot easier and the problem could be fixed immediately rather than taking a second to find out what's wrong.

[Twar]

Oh wow, amazing, a couple of days ago I started thinking back to the time when we first saw the Byakugan and then Kakashi (or someone) explained that the users can see the chakra points and either shut the energy flow down OR speed it up (which we haven't seen so far). I was thinking more of on-the-spot 'hyper-powered' acupuncture (I've read some books on it, it really works) to increase stamina or something. But I guess for ninjas, the difference isn't as large as they stimulate their whole body with the chakra flow all the time.
The Hyuugas could set up a spa, though.

[pirate-hitman:L]

Yeah, Hinata should learn some healing justus!

[DarkManSharingan32]

Sharingan would be better...
It can see muscle tears, along with...

Microscopic bugs that course through the bloodstream.
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Sharingan pwnz.

[fremeer]

actually byakugan is better since it can see chakra as well which is what sasuke saw not actual bugs. add to it the ability to see tenketsu

[LanderZ]

Sharingan can't seen muscle tears; Kakashi just knew the sequence that followed Renge, and knew from Lee's reaction that his muscles had torn. We've seen no evidence of Sharingan viewing into someone's body.... Likewise with the C4, Sasuke knew he had been caught in a cloud of the clay-bugs, so he knew to neutralize them within his whole body with electricity. If he had had the capacity to see each microscopic piece of clay, he would have shocked just them, and not himself.

But, back to the thread... In theory, this would make a really good idea, save that the Hyuuga tend to be rather stuck-up and I really can't see them ever willingly being a "support" character ^.^

[gfire2]

that would b cool,

accupuncture to its fullest ability lol

strike all 64 points so fast that if lee every opened all 8 gates neji can stop it within a second

[Absolutio]

That is really unnecessary as it seems medic-nins can sense on the spot instantly what's wrong with the "client". You can see it by Tsunade treating Naruto - one touch and she knew all about his condition.
You can see it with Ino treating Asuma - She only touched him and knew he had been hit in 4 vital spots, and so on.
Therefore, it's kinda pointless/useless or maybe just not such an advantage.

[JioFreed666]

The People who have the Rinnegan are all connected through one mindset and will do anything to keep that secret

The Uchiha have the chance to achieve the MS by killing friends then family to keep it forever without fear of blindness


do you believe the Hyugaa have a dark secret to their Doujutsu along the lines of the other two since they are the predecessors of the Uchiha's Sharingan and are probably the off spring of the Rinnegan

[Razh]

Not all people who have the Rinnegan are connected. That's only Pain. And I don't think Pain is an exemplary user of the Rinnegan. That much should be clear to anyone.

Besides, we've already seen the dark side of Hyuuga clan.

[JioFreed666]

we have no evidence that their is another one, even if their is another with the potential can they unlock it? it's been said in the manga that usually one person inherits the Rinnegan has been around during each generation

I'm talking about a dark Dojutsu directly relating to their eyes not just the seals which if you notice the topic says "beside branch seal"

[mrcongojack]

I'm not saying the Hyuga clan doesn't have their secrets, but c'mon... do we really need more evil secrets? They Byakugan seems different than the Sharingan and the Rinnegan... the latter two seem to be more concerned with control of others (sharingan hypnotizes others, rinnegan takes over other people's bodies? I'm not sure what the power of the Rinnegan is, is that it?) whereas the Byakugan is just about seeing better. That's just my opinion, anyway. I suppose that the Byakugan allows the user to meddle with their opponent's flow of chakra through the gentle fist, but that seems like a more indirect way of "control". Besides, the goal of that seem more to defeat the opponent than control them.

[Razh]

Byakugan doesn't have a feel of sinister evil to it, like other two do.
Maybe because it has a more direct way of helping it's user in battle.

[spinsane]

The Byakugan is about seeing truth.
The Sharingan is about warping the truth.
The Rinne'gan is about ... making the truth?

Byakugan could be used for wickedness, Neji was a bastard before he met Naruto, but I don't think the Byakugan is inherently evil.

The Byakugan's ability to see through everything is a trait most associated with good characters, prophets and the ability of foresight.

While the Sharingan's ability to copy and mesmerize are traits usually associated evil characters, thieves and manipulators.

Rinne'gan doesn't seem to have any inherent properties that we know of, in terms of it being particularly good or bad. All we know is Jiraiya's rumor about the first Rinne'gan user being the originator of all Ninjutsu. Which isn't a necessarily evil, good, wise or unwise property. I guess we can call it neutral!

[JioFreed666]

spinsane I think you might have actually just might have come up with something partly the ablility to actually see future events but at the same time your analyze of the powers was incorrect *pushes glasses up with middle finger in true anime style). If you remember the sasuke naruto fight at the valley of the end(which is funny a Uchiha trying to obtain MS and a ninja trying to stop him who wants to become hokage just like generations before but those people actually did have MS and was the Hokage) Sasuke was able to see Naruto's movements.

And copying isn't excatly the a bad trait you got to remember Naruto came up with his Sexy No Jutsu by copying and modding Henge and then again he copied the cat's way of knocking around it's ball to hold the Rasengan stable and without the sharingan Kakashi wouldn't have probably made it half as far as he did because he copied alot of peoples jutsu which helps him get out of a bind when fighting some one who uses earth based attacks(which are the weakness of lighting attacks) such as the Rock-nin he faced as a kid.

The hyuuga family already hide alot of stuff from the general public from the branch seal to going as far to replace a head family member with a branch to make sure that no one has ever been able to research the byakugan. anyway all Doujutsu are inherently not evil but just like there is a bad way to get more power (MS) their must be a good way (how ever Kakashi got MS). We're just not sure if anything is like that with the hyuuga family. Now as for what Jiraya said about Rinne'gan that's considered 100% canon because as anyone who reads naruto knows Jiraya knows alot about the origins of Ninjutsu and the Manga is 100% by Musashi Kishimoto. anyway Jiraya was the student of the third who was a student OF BOTH the first and second who made what is currently known as the most powerful village of the ninja world which has been proven that no attack by any one village can be successful

[Tsukisama]

:hb If there is an evil Byakugan secret, I don't think anyone that we know of in Hyuuga clan will unlock it. The only possiblity is if Zetsu or some new character is revealed to have the Byakugan. If only good characters have the power, then we will likely only see good out of it. I think that the only "dark secret" the Hyuuga have is the branch thing. The Hyuuga can be snobs, but they don't strike me as evil. We have never heard of a member of the clan and perhaps never will (unless Zetsu is somehow related to them). :hb

:hb It could just be the only doujutsu of the three that is doesn't have dark, malicious secrets. It is called the "white eye" after all, and white and light is archetypically associated with goodness. :hb

:hb Although it might not be evil, it would be nice if the Byakugan also had some hidden upper level or other ability. The most likely candidates would be seeing the future or seeing spirits. Unfortunately, my guess is that Byakugan will always play third fiddle to the other two ridiculously overpowered doujutsu. :( :hb

[The Noobslayer]

im pretty sure the dark secret is the fact there has to be incest to keep the family pure and the kekkei genkei a secret. the result: retards like hinata

[mestizo311]

I think the dark secret of the Hyuuga clan is that they lied about being Konohas trump card. Every doujutsu has it's own unique abilities which make it more powerful than another. But with the recent introduction of the Rinnegan and the never ending saga of the Sharingan, I don't think the Byakugan is going to get any attention. I don't think that the Byakugan is weak by no means but I don't think there will be any further development with the clans story.

[kkck]

I think that the Hyuuga clan secretly uses the byakugan to peek, its the perfect crime.

[lazyboyrod]

Not all people who have the Rinnegan are connected. That's only Pain. And I don't think Pain is an exemplary user of the Rinnegan. That much should be clear to anyone.

Besides, we've already seen the dark side of Hyuuga clan.

How is he not an exemplary user of the Rinnegan, he is the only one, the Rinnegan was know to show up once in like 50 generations, as far as we know he is the best example of a Rinnegan users abilities.

[Decorus]

Pein is not Nagato. We don't know who Pein is or how he has Rinnegan, but in the entire fight we have seen him use absolutely no Rinnegan abilities except his shared vision trick. So to call him anything more then a mediocre Rinnegan user would be a serious error until we see some actual proof he even has Rinnegan and not just eyes that look like Rinnegan.

[JioFreed666]

:hb It could just be the only doujutsu of the three that is doesn't have dark, malicious secrets. It is called the "white eye" after all, and white and light is archetypically associated with goodness. :hb

:hb Although it might not be evil, it would be nice if the Byakugan also had some hidden upper level or other ability. The most likely candidates would be seeing the future or seeing spirits. Unfortunately, my guess is that Byakugan will always play third fiddle to the other two ridiculously overpowered doujutsu. :( :hb

Sorry for being such a downer but WRONG!! and sorry for the late reply but still it's WRONG white is only typical representation of goodness in WESTERN culture not eastern in japan especially the color of white is the color of DEATH!

[MegaX]

Pein is not Nagato. We don't know who Pein is or how he has Rinnegan, but in the entire fight we have seen him use absolutely no Rinnegan abilities except his shared vision trick. So to call him anything more then a mediocre Rinnegan user would be a serious error until we see some actual proof he even has Rinnegan and not just eyes that look like Rinnegan.

For the love of...

1. Pein may be Nagato. We don't know.

2. We have no sound reason to distrust Jiriya's assessment.

This is a stretch, even for you Decorus.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

Well someone did try to kidnap a Hyuuga member for whatever purpose it was.
That might be one of their other secrets..or those people were trying to look for something

[JioFreed666]

head family members are protected by branch family members and remember even if they do capture a branch family member they can activate the seal and wipe the brain which is connected directly to the eyes making the eyes useless

[kat_at_heart]

am i right in thinking that in the chunin exam arc someone said somthing about the byakugan been able to surpass the sharingan if this is true then shouldent the byakugan have another teqhnuiqe or somthing?
or were they just on about its ability to see things as the sharingan cant see through opaque objects

[segua]

Now, when it comes to the insight between the Byakyugan and Sharingan on the body, Byakyugan's ability is much better. For example, the Byakyugan could see tenketsu points whereas the Sharingan can't. Therefore, Byakyugan seems to have a better understanding of how chakra flows and is used by the body.

[lordHokage]

I think the Hyuuga clan was founded on dark secrets and since their offspring was founded on secrets methods, why would the ninja’s from the Land of Lighting kidnap Hinata? :blink

[ibra87]

Unfortunately, my guess is that Byakugan will always play third fiddle to the other two ridiculously overpowered doujutsu. :( :hb

'Nuff said. IMO Byakugan's role ended with Neji's story and is now nothing but a tool that will be used to track nearby opponent till the end of the series. There aren't many chapters back and I doubt Kishi would want to leave Madara/Sasuke/Kakashi just to reveal another secret that will result in prolonging of the series.
So as much as I want to see the byakugan gain new powers, I'm sure there won't be anything.

[JioFreed666]

Neji's not dead and Hinata is an element in this arc and the story is not over until it says the end/fin

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Neji's not dead and Hinata is an element in this arc and the story is not over until it says the end/fin

both of them barely have anything to do with the storyline beside to support the main characters. I don't expect kishi to go any further with the byukangan than he already did.

[JioFreed666]

both of them barely have anything to do with the storyline beside to support the main characters. I don't expect kishi to go any further with the byukangan than he already did.


There was nothing about puppets for how many arcs when we were given bare bones info? and then what happened AN EXPLOSION OF INFORMATION!!

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

There was nothing about puppets for how many arcs when we were given bare bones info? and then what happened AN EXPLOSION OF INFORMATION!!

that is relevant because one of the main character was fighting a puppet master.

[mannenntihnmo]

i don't think, that there is anything more to the byakugan, either, though i would like it, because the sharingan is really overpowered...(we don't know much about the rinnegan, but it also seems to be strong)
i remember the byakugan being introduced as very powerful, kakashi admitted, that neji can see things even he can't see. but then the sharingan showed up with more and more hidden secrets.
i personally think, that the sharingan first wasn't meant to be a bloodline limit by kishi, till he developed the real uchiha story.

[bean]

that is relevant because one of the main character was fighting a puppet master.


his point is relevant because kishi can shift his focus from sasuke to the byakugan users if he feels he has to for the story. That's his point, that kishi decides to bring in a new fact like it's been in the narutoverse since the beginning (puppet users) and then explains it to us and uses it from then on (chuunin exam battle and sasori). His point is that kishi will make it relevant, even though it doesn't seem like it should be right now. Just like every time a new uchiha is introduce, we get a new form of the sharingan (itachi - MS, Madara - EMS), there is still a huge possibility that we might get a byakugan mkII.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

his point is relevant because kishi can shift his focus from sasuke to the byakugan users if he feels he has to for the story. That's his point, that kishi decides to bring in a new fact like it's been in the narutoverse since the beginning (puppet users) and then explains it to us and uses it from then on (chuunin exam battle and sasori). His point is that kishi will make it relevant, even though it doesn't seem like it should be right now. Just like every time a new uchiha is introduce, we get a new form of the sharingan (itachi - MS, Madara - EMS), there is still a huge possibility that we might get a byakugan mkII.

but that is most unlikely given all the plot kishi still have to resolve. and what you think would: neji or hinata will run away like sasuke did and naruto will start looking for him?

[Black/Light]

but that is most unlikely given all the plot kishi still have to resolve. and what you think would: neji or hinata will run away like sasuke did and naruto will start looking for him?

Theres nothing saying it's "unlikely" from what I can see. I mean, theres TONS of things they leave to be explained later on. Like elemental chakra (took till part 2 to find out the ins and outs about that), types of chakra modeing, puppet masters and bits of Naruto's past (Like him getting his persona and fighting style from his mother) and so on.

I atleast don't think this series is in some kinda foot run to end soon. . . w/e happens to Sas I don't see the manga being Shg focused full force till the end. The Hyuuga is also apart of all that plot that has yet to be explored and resovled (they where apart of the leaf's founding and appearantly they have many more secrets not known to those out side the clan).

I think the Hyuuga's time to shine will be when Naruto starts learning about Yin Yang chakra seeing as that seems to be the most bluntly seen in their culture/ fighting style. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-101/page009.html

Plus, if theres only 3 eye bloodlines than we are bond to get a good dose of the BYG and the RNG at some point. . .I mean damn, the Hyuuga happen to be only ones of the 3 who are a full fleashed out clan and not straggers of a long lost blood line. . .that gots to get some focus at some point.

[bean]

but that is most unlikely given all the plot kishi still have to resolve. and what you think would: neji or hinata will run away like sasuke did and naruto will start looking for him?


just like it was most unlikely that there would be ANOTHER version of the sharingan given that there already was the MS that we still don't really know about...like it was most unlikely that gaara would be kazekage, and "good" given that his own people wanted him dead and he was blood crazy...like it was unlikely that there was another uchiha, and even more, unlikely that madara would still be alive given that itachi killed them all and madara is supposed to be old as shit and dead...

and the hyuuga's don't have to run away for them to get some focus...they could have the secret to counter madara's sharingan tricks, we just haven't been told about it yet...there's a million possibilities that kishi can come up with...

[lazyboyrod]

I realy dont think Kishi wants to develope the Byakugan anymore, I dont think it would benefit the storyline in anyway.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I realy dont think Kishi wants to develope the Byakugan anymore, I dont think it would benefit the storyline in anyway.

that is the same thing i think. unelse naruto get down with hinata, then we might have a gaiden about hyuuga clan and byakugan.

[JioFreed666]

The funny thing Kishimoto's not even focusing on Naruto for the next full year he's focusing on Sasuke and shifting focus slowly toward Kakashi then he'll switch it fully to sakura at some point which is his plan go from Black(Sasuke's arc) to Blue(Kakashi's arc) to Pink(Sakura's arc). and since we know there's nothing that incredible about sakura other then she is adapt at genjutsu and medical based ninjutsu making her very much stronger then probably even gai and rock lee what's to say we won't see a White arc involving the hyuuga

[kyuubifrique]

I think that it may not be the secret of the byakugan but the secret of the hyuuga. remember that it was mentioned that the sharingan was derived from the byakugan? Maybe it was as mentioned in the Tengu theory that one of the hyuuga married tengu who was a demon.

[gfire2]

the sharingan was derived from the byakugan is completeli nonsense that kakaishi said during the chuunin ark. the sharingan is one of the 3 ulti doujutsu's and i dont see ani signs of the hyuuga on 398, so technicalli the hyuuga isnt that great imo

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

the sharingan was derived from the byakugan is completeli nonsense that kakaishi said during the chuunin ark. the sharingan is one of the 3 ulti doujutsu's and i dont see ani signs of the hyuuga on 398, so technicalli the hyuuga isnt that great imo

actually it is just another mess up by kishi.

[Black/Light]

the sharingan was derived from the byakugan is completeli nonsense that kakaishi said during the chuunin ark. the sharingan is one of the 3 ulti doujutsu's and i dont see ani signs of the hyuuga on 398, so technicalli the hyuuga isnt that great imo

. . .What?

MD never talked about the origins of their CLAN, just the leaf. Thats like saying it's a lie that the Rng invented ninjutsu because MD isn't talking about that.

The story aint about the hyuuga so why would you expect to hear about them?

[Rahan]

. . .What?

MD never talked about the origins of their CLAN, just the leaf. Thats like saying it's a lie that the Rng invented ninjutsu because MD isn't talking about that.

The story aint about the hyuuga so why would you expect to hear about them?

Because when Konoha is born from the union of the Senju and the Uchiha, it's hard to consider seriously the Hyuuga as Konoha's oldest clan

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

. . .What?

MD never talked about the origins of their CLAN, just the leaf. Thats like saying it's a lie that the Rng invented ninjutsu because MD isn't talking about that.

The story aint about the hyuuga so why would you expect to hear about them?

because the sharingan is said to have envolve for byukungan and the hyuuga clan is said to be konoha oldest clan.

[bean]

because the sharingan is said to have envolve for byukungan and the hyuuga clan is said to be konoha oldest clan.that's all we need to know.
[hr]

Because when Konoha is born from the union of the Senju and the Uchiha, it's hard to consider seriously the Hyuuga as Konoha's oldest clan

not really...lets say that they were around before the sharingan ever came about...and they just so happen to reside in konoha after it was founded...that would make them the oldest clan in konoha...just because they weren't there at the foundation of konoha, or even if they were there but really weren't a part of it, they would still be considered the oldest clan in konoha...

[Black/Light]

Because when Konoha is born from the union of the Senju and the Uchiha, it's hard to consider seriously the Hyuuga as Konoha's oldest clan

Heres a examply of how they are the oldest clan in the leaf. . .

Tree people clan- 5000 years old.

SHG clan- 1000 years old.

Hyuuga clan- 10,000 years old. (just throwing around made up numbers)


Or heres one. . .

Guy A is 40 years old and makes a log house with Guy B whose 34 and in doing so they housed many other guys (its a gay old guy orgy house lol). . .one of which is Guy C who is 80 years old. Guy C is the oldest in the house even if he wasn't the one who made it.

If I buy a 1000 year old ring today, it would be the oldest thing in my house even if it aint been there from the start.

The time the Hyuuga has been around is not relative to the time that the Leaf has been around.

[JioFreed666]

Yes since the great ninja wars had many separate clans and before the first and Mandara faced off there was no 5 shadows to be known of just a FFA(Free for all) brawl for dominance

[~Joshua~]

Maybe they will copy everyone else and add chakra-elemental manipulation in their jutsus and have fire tornado rotations, or actual wind in their kuushou's.

[ophidial]

i definately don't think we've seen the last or best of the hyuuga yet,
i just hope kishi lets it live up to the name of being a legendary doujutsu.
One move that i think neji can do is to use his 64 point attack on himself and
instead of closing the points he releases them, gaining speed, strength and chakra.
Imagine if he could do this to chakra points to his eyes to gain greater doujutsu.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

If there was the next level of the Byakugan, what would you make it? What would it look like? How would one gain it? And most importantly, what Hyuga Clan members can you see gaining this next level?

[beastboy]

his eyes would be totally blank.. lots of veins around the eyes..
He would see 1000 kms far any direction..
they would be able to close tenketsus with a sight!!

I did it.. I did a more overpowered thing than FMS...
to get it they have to kill his dog after eating a whole letuce, without maionese or any other tempere!!
Everybody who likes letuce and hates pets will get it!!

[jdw]

If there was the next level of the Byakugan, what would you make it? What would it look like? How would one gain it? And most importantly, what Hyuga Clan members can you see gaining this next level?

If anyone would level it up it would be Neji or Hanabi.
It would be awsome if the next lovel completly blacked out the eyes of the user, like this:
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7811/snn24tv3a280690135a.jpg

Perhaps the person could gain it by undergoing a painful and arduous ritual that requires a significant loss to the user. Like they can level up one eye, but it would cost them the other, etc. And the jutsu they gain should require training, no free godlike crap.

[matrice]

The Byakugan skill set doesn't really need an upgrade in any way, shape or form. He does one thing, and that is seeing chakra and through things, grants the user an almost circular field of vision and has any real utility only when used in combination witht he Juuken. All in all, a perfect tool if you are a scout, and I suppose a medic, but given its basic abilities there is nothing to improve upon (it can already see through anything and even discern the chakra coils). The upside, of course, is that people have it from the beginning, there is not "gaining it in a dangerous situation" requirement, so more people in the clan, on average, could develop fully in their fighting style, whereas, judging from Sasuke's introductory summary on the Sharingan, only an elite group amongst the Uchia ever managed to awaken their bloodline, and the Rinnegan has had only two bearers in known history. There is also the fact that both teh Sharingan and Rinnegan have a common source, the Rikudo Sannin and maybe the Jyubi, whereas the Byakugan's origins are still unknown, but considering the history of the two other dojutsu, I don't really think that it has the potential for such a mutation, it's probably more like a normal bloodline (even the senju bloodline, if you think about it, was quite amazing, as it allowed the user not only to create LIFE, or better, an organic life-form, but also to control demons, which is not something your regular elemental bloodline could accomplish).

[Forever_Melody]

@matrice: to be perfectly technical, the MS possesses some powers which are not exactly in any shape or form an extension or upgrade of its initial powers(which are genjutsu, predicting taijutsu and copying ninjutsu). I mean, Tsukiyomi is obviously a suited up genjutsu, but Amaterasu has no real link to any basic Sharingan ability and nor does any of the space/time ninjutsu we've seen.

Anyhow, I would have to agree though that if there was to be a higher level of Byakugan, I'd prefer that it keeps its initial purpose i.e. be an "all-seeing" eye. Perhaps it could extend the power of sight like seeing into a person's mind(ex: mind reading) or maybe even seeing the future for a short lapse(like the real future, not predicting like the Shairngan does) :o

[Proxy]

his eyes would be totally blank.. lots of veins around the eyes..
He would see 1000 kms far any direction..
they would be able to close tenketsus with a sight!!

I did it.. I did a more overpowered thing than FMS...
to get it they have to kill his dog after eating a whole letuce, without maionese or any other tempere!!
Everybody who likes letuce and hates pets will get it!!
Good Lord, that's hax!! XD I would love to see badass Hinata with that ability. So godly!!! Pain would get owned instantly. Anyone withing a 1,000 km from Hinata can't be a Ninja. XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

For a more realistic Mangekyo Byakugan if you will. I say I'd be awesome if the Byakugan could somehow allow to recreate other Kekke Genkai's. With the white eyes turning sliver, the user of the Byakugan will be able to control all the types of chakra, but only to gain access to all of the possible Kekke Genkai's. Since I still think that the Byakugan derived from the Rin'negan.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

It would be nice if Byakugan have another level. But base on Kishi's attitude toward the Byakugan so far, i doubt it does.