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DutchPhoenix
October 23, 2007, 05:34 AM
when u think we'll see him in action again? :tem

hollowfied
October 23, 2007, 06:45 AM
We'll probably see him again soon.

I don't think his fight /w Zoro will happen before the very end, though.

Absolutio
October 23, 2007, 07:11 AM
Maybe mihawk will be the only shichibukai that luffy won't beat, but zoro.. :o

Impel Down
October 23, 2007, 09:37 AM
I can see that happening, although I've thought of a grand Shichibukai v. SH crew battle, each member taking on a separate Shichibukai, with Zoro against Mihawk.

But that's probably unrealistic, although Zoro will fight Mihawk in the end/towards the end.

DutchPhoenix
October 23, 2007, 02:01 PM
who will win if luffy fights mihawk now? =D

Sorata
October 27, 2007, 05:42 PM
Mihawk would win without doubt, Mihawk is at the same level as White beard and Shanks, not to mention that he is Zoro´s final goal, so an even fight against Mihawk will only happen at the end of the manga, and by now Luffy is just an ant compared to Mihawk.

bax
October 27, 2007, 05:49 PM
Judging from the current level, I would say Mihawk, if they would ever do a battle. From the beginning he is destined to fight Zoro :)

But if they ever do battle, it will be a good one. Mihawk has far more experience compared to Luffy, but Luffy's greatest strength comes from his resourcefulness and his look-like-not-but-effective-moves :XD

I wonder if he is really strong as the 4 emperors, there's no reference for that. So far, we can only guess and implementing things. It would be nice if we know his bounty though to gauge him among the Shichibukai (on paper). Judging from his demeanors and calmness, I would guess he has a higher bounty than Don.

Absolutio
October 27, 2007, 08:17 PM
I say luffy vs. mihawk will end at mihawk winning.
when we first saw mihawk vs. zoro, his level compared to zoro's (which back then, was almost as strong as luffy) was just like comparing Ozz to axe-morgan (the first marine luffy beated, with the axe-hand). And I don't think that zoro or luffy have closed the gap enough for them to keep up with mihawk.

matrice
October 28, 2007, 12:18 PM
I don't think that the fight against Mihawk will be at the very end, after all Mihawk should be weaker than withebeard (and than Shanks too), and I don't think tjat he will be much stronger than the other shichibukai (I thinj taht Kuma should be able to cause him some troubles), Well, as things are now neither Zoro nor Luffy would be able to beat him: look at the pictures of their first encounter: swinging his sword he cut a huge ship in two parts, then he deflected thebullets that were fired against him, too... Such things can't be done by Zoro as thigs are now.

Jatimatic
October 28, 2007, 05:22 PM
Oi oi don't forget the fact that he is world strongest swordsman so he can't be weaker than Shanks, because Shanks uses a sword too? They may be at same level but Shanks powers come from his biig ego : ) Then if we look SH crew fights, they have always finished more and more powerful enemies like merman first (everyone of the guys defeated one) then DF users in Albasta and then CP9 with their DF's and those battle skills. So my point is that Luffy and Zoro will not be the only one who gets to defeat Schibuckai. /semioff

Hope you understand somewhat what is my point here.

Absolutio
October 28, 2007, 07:13 PM
I didn't understand you point.. O_o :s
Sorry.. :$

hollowfied
October 29, 2007, 06:03 AM
Shanks is a better fighter then Mihawk, but Mihawk is a better swordsman then Shanks, hence his 'best swordsman in the world' title.

Lets not have this 'Shanks v Mihawk' argument again. One is a Yonkou, one a Shichibukai, pretty obvious who is more powerful.

DutchPhoenix
October 29, 2007, 07:22 AM
shanks is Yonkou becouse he screw is superstrong

Sorata
October 29, 2007, 08:39 AM
I don´t think Mihawk is weaker than the all four of the Yonkou, just because he is a Shichibukai doesn´t mean he is weaker than the Yonkou, don´t forget that some of the Shichibukai are really weak(Crocodile and Moria), and he is the final goal of Zoro(the strongest guy in the strawhats besides Luffy).

Absolutio
October 29, 2007, 09:15 AM
I don´t think Mihawk is weaker than the all four of the Yonkou, just because he is a Shichibukai doesn´t mean he is weaker than the Yonkou, don´t forget that some of the Shichibukai are really weak(Crocodile and Moria), and he is the final goal of Zoro(the strongest guy in the strawhats besides Luffy).

I agree with you except the part of Crocodile and Moria being weak, specially Moria.

Sorata
October 29, 2007, 09:32 AM
Well they are not weak, but they defenitly aren´t at Mihawk or Shanks level, i was just talking based on a comparation.

hollowfied
October 29, 2007, 09:56 AM
Moria is NOT weak.

Shanks is more powerful then Mihawk, if only by a bit, Mihawk definitely does not have his imbalanced aura. Also you can't rely on your friends/minions to do the fighting for you in the world of One Piece, so a weakling cannot become Yonkou just by having strong crewmates. Besides he wouldn't be captain if he was weaker then his subordinates.

*sigh* Dutchphoenix typical Mihawk fanboy.

Absolutio
October 29, 2007, 09:57 AM
Moria is NOT weak.

Shanks is more powerful then Mihawk, if only by a bit, Mihawk definitely does not have his imbalanced aura. Also you can't rely on your friends/minions to do the fighting for you in the world of One Piece, so a weakling cannot become Yonkou just by having strong crewmates. Besides he wouldn't be captain if he was weaker then his subordinates.

*sigh* Dutchphoenix typical Mihawk fanboy.

fangirl* :p

hollowfied
October 29, 2007, 09:58 AM
Btw I miss impel.down. Why the hELL did he get banned?

He practically carried the discussion in here =\

sorry *offtopic* sorry ><

Absolutio
October 29, 2007, 10:17 AM
me too.. I know what you're talking about.. =P And no idea.. That's the 2nd time he got banned, so maybe it's a perm.. :s

And to be on topic: Mihawk rocks! ... *sigh*

DutchPhoenix
October 29, 2007, 04:54 PM
i just dont see how a guy with 1 arm, using a sword can be more powerfull the the best swordsman in the world =/

Jatimatic
October 29, 2007, 05:27 PM
Ahh so you didin't get my point. (you got the Shanks and Mihawk thing yes) but what I meant with the rest: Someone said earlier that would anyone else of the crew defeat a schibuckai, and my point is that yes someone will coz they are taking down stroger and stronger opponents one after another. (Mermen then DF uers, then priests CP9 some with DF's).
Sorry offtopicing here!

I like Mihawk and Shanks both of them rocks. But haven't got anything big about their fighting skills yet, even Zoro vs Mihawk fight didin't show anything about MH skills yet. I excpect to see more of those fighting. But it seems that Shanks and Mihawk are somewhat in peace with each other.
If I remember Mihawk brought first wanted posters of SH vrew for Shanks? If anyone knows that chapter tell me.

Duh, going to learn some more english ->

Absolutio
October 29, 2007, 08:50 PM
Good luck with your english learning (you quite need it :p but it's ok as long as we understand you :D ).
I'll ask in the what chapter/episode thread about which chapter showed shanks meeting mihawk, and mihawk handing him luffy's first bounty.
EDIT: It's chapter 96, according to Imitorar. =D

hollowfied
October 30, 2007, 04:29 AM
Shanks is so ownage that he doesn't need his arms to own ;)

Absolutio
October 30, 2007, 06:51 AM
lol.. :p he's just wanna showoff with his winnings, so he handicapped himself :p

psolaras
October 30, 2007, 07:33 AM
first of all the powers are equal,that means the marine headquarters are equal with the schichibukai and the yonkou,so:

marine HQ=SCBK=yonkou

it's in the OP grand times stated exactly that way if some people misunderstood garp's words

also in the red databook shanks was stated to be a rival of mihawk

since mihawk said he won't fight an one armed man that means that mihawk had won against shanks even b4 that (b4 shanks went to luffy's village where he stated for a whole year) or else he wouldn't be considered the strongest

and WB stated that the battles between shanks and mihawk were endless so to those that think that mihawk is stronger only because shanks lost his arm do you think that shanks fought endless battles with mihawk and suddenly decided to take a break and hang in luffy's village for AN ENTIRE YEAR??? and after that shanks returned to the GL and mihawk was given the title cause shanks lost his arm??? this isn't WWE and the titles aren't belts,it is oda's way of telling us who is stronger

also only the fact that shanks is a swordsman and mihawk is the strongest swordsman of the world speaks by itself

stop being fanboys,mihawk is stronger than shanks


本来左ききであるシャンクスはかつて、右の腰に長剣を携えていた。 ミホークとライバルだった 過去からみて も、その剣の実力は世界でもトップクラスだったのだろう

"At first, the left-handed Shanks had simply carried his sword on the right side. When he was a rival of Mihawk, he was regarded as having some of the world's top-class skills."


so there's no "shanks is a better fighter but mihawk is a better swordsman",that excuse is ridiculous,shanks is stated to be a swordsman,so he is in the same category with zoro and mihawk,he doesn't have other fighting styles and even if he did they are not stronger than his swordsmanship otherwise he wouldn't be considered a swordsman with world class skills and he wouldn't be a rival of mihawk

*the japanese appear to me as cubes and i pasted them that way in my pc,i don't know if they appear as cubes or as kanji in other members

and quotes from the manga transaled by stephen:

Zeff: He's carrying his weapon on his back!

Cooks: Wha... No way! He destroyed that huge ship with just that one sword?!

Zeff: That's right... The "Hawk-Eyed Man" is a famous master swordsman. He is greater than any other swordsman in the entire world.

and


Shanks: Well, "Hawk-Eyes", you're a welcome visitor. I'm not feeling too good right now... you come for a match?

Mihawk: Hah... I'm not interested in a fight with a one-armed man like yourself. I found some interesting pirates. And they reminded me of something you talked about a long time ago. About a small village... and a funny little kid...

mihawk is stronger than shanks,end of story

also about the SCBK being equal to the yonkou here is the exact text translated from the one piece grand times:


According to the thing, the Government is "paired" up with the Shichibukai and the marines. What that doesn't mean is that the Shichibukai and the marines are working together. It's just the Shichibukai are paying money to the government to get certain "privileges" like, to not be hounded by the government, free reign to do as they please type thing. So the government saves them lots of un-needed trouble.

The "emperors" are their own group, doing as they please and not paying the government and so are the enemy. The Marines as the "good guys"want to stop both groups, but doesn't go after the shichibukai due to being controlled by the government.

But each group, as they are, are the same in power. However if something was to change like the death of a member of a group, that could change things then that group could actually lose their standing and be over taken by one of the other remaining groups!!!!!...

so you can see that the OP grand times clearly destroyed any doubts and mistranslations on garp's words

and if the powers weren't equal then there wouldn't be a balance between them
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also the SH are ants against top tiers like shanks,WB and mihawk

WB vs shanks split the sky with a simple clash of unamed attacks so imagine what would happen if they went all out and their best named attacks collided....

while the SH can't even achieve splitting the sky even with their best attacks colliding

when luffy vs lucci collided the impact moved some wooden boxes while shanks vs WB split the sky

so you can see the huge differance in power and level between top tiers like mihawk with the current SH (luffy for example)

mck06
October 30, 2007, 08:19 AM
Remember that Mihawk was always trying for battle with shanks because he knows that he wasn't the stronger swordsman or fighter but after he lost his arm he reject to find him again.
i think that when shanks was at 100% he was stronger or equal to mihawk.

psolaras
October 30, 2007, 09:34 AM
Remember that Mihawk was always trying for battle with shanks because he knows that he wasn't the stronger swordsman or fighter.

what??? how do you know shanks wasn't always trying to fight mihawk cause he knew he wasn't the stronger?? where did you base that??

also there is a speculation that mihawk was on WB's ship as a cabin boy like shanks was on roger's since WB said he remember hearing the sounds from the battles of the duels between them

so their rivalry could have started from roger crew fighting WB crew

though what Wb said could just mean he heard rumours of shank and mihawk fighting

anyway there is no evidence in what you posted


but after he lost his arm he reject to find him again
here are some quotes from the manga and the blue databook:


Title: Dracule Mihawk

Side title: One of the Kings of the "Shichibukai*" and Strongest Swordsman in the World!!"

Text: The swordsman who carries the title of one of the kings of the Shichibukai. People call him "Hawkeyed Mihawk." He is the man who Zoro continues to chase. He reigns as the strongest and does not refuse anyone who challenges him for that title. Also, he has given Zoro a second chance to fight him despite losing once before.

the part in bold suggest that he accepts every challenge but when a swordsman loses to him he can't challenge him again propably due to the honour code that swordsmen have (like the wounds in the back being a shame etc)

also zoro knew that if he backed off from the fight with mihawk he couldn't fight him again,or else he wouldn't tell mihawk to kill him and instead he would forfeit and challenge him again


Mihawk: Do you wish to have this go through your heart?
Why do you not pull back?

Zoro: Huh... I dunno...
If I take just one step backwards from here,
I feel like I'll have broken an oath I have taken... A promise I have held up until now.
I would not be able to come back to this place.

- Page 139 -

Mihawk: YES.
THAT WOULD BE DEFEAT.

Zoro: Hehe... Exactly why I can't step back.

Mihawk: Even if you die?

Zoro: I would WELCOME death.

so you can see that zoro knows that rule and even if people think that zoro said that for other reasons that doesn't justify mihawk's answer:"yes and that would be defeat"

so we can see that if a swordsman loses to another swordsman he can't challenge him again

so that is why shanks asked mihawk if he came for a duel,he didn't challenge mihawk cause he couldn't


i think that when shanks was at 100% he was stronger or equal to mihawk
so how was mihawk made the strongest swordsman??? by shanks losing his arm and mihawk disagreeing to fight him?? how could that make mihawk stronger?? if what you said happened then they would be considered equals due to them being rivals and fighting all the time but for mihawk to be considered the best that means he won the fight

and even so if shanks was stronger and mihawk challenged him and then shanks lost his arm and mihawk refused to challenge him again then he wouldn't be ackwnoledged by everyone as the strongest swordsman

shanks back then was really close to mihawk,almost equal,but in the end he lost,all evidence suggests that

that doesn't mean shanks is weak,shanks is a bloody yonkou and a supreme monster that even WB respects as a fighter so shanks fanboys degrade shanks with not accepting his defeat

don't try to make excuses,shanks lost,mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world and shanks is a swordsman,we don't need to put more thought on this to imagine what happened in the last fight

also as i said b4 shanks stayed in luffy's village for an entire year,do you think he would stop fighting his rival if the fight wasn't decided just to go into a random village?? and he stayed there for AN ENTIRE YEAR

Absolutio
October 30, 2007, 09:45 AM
First of all, from where did you get all these translated databook stuffs?
And if you go by your states: HQ=Shichibukais=Yonkou. Then I remind you one thing, that there are 4 yonkous against 7 shichibukais, that's almost 1:2 proportion, meaning that te avg. yonkou is almost twice as strong against the avg. shichibukai. Now you can argue wether shanks is avg. yonkou, and mihawk might be the top shichibukai, but fact is, we don't know anything about that.
And if you go by the example of mihawk not wanting to fight shanks since he's handicapped, you can also go from the opposite perspective and say that shanks wasnt afraid to fight mihawk although he's handicapped. I can't see why a person with int. and ranking like shanks will ask for a fight that according to you, he would lose at. That's more like being even over-confident in himself.
And about them being rivals, it can also mean that they were rivals, but no longer (since some reason, like going each to each's way, someone giving up, or w/e).
And I didn't see anything in there that says about shanks being a swordman.. Just that he has some top-class skills with swords. If he aint a swordsman, than it just enhances the gap between him and mihawk.
Me, personally, think that shanks is stronger than mihawk, but not by far.

Luckas
October 30, 2007, 10:34 AM
I'm watching carefully this thread and I just deleted a post, which was definitely too much harsh. So guys cool down and talk politely, consider yourself warned.

hollowfied
October 30, 2007, 10:44 AM
Hi Can you undelete it? I'll edit + remove the vulgar words?

Plz =(

I am really really tired..and cannot remember what I typed. I remember I had my points though..

=(

Absolutio
October 30, 2007, 11:10 AM
off topic: umm luckas.. I hope he aint perm banned.. It'll be terrible to lose 2 of our top active guys in the Tree of Knowledge in a week :o (Oh, the horror!).

And by deleting it, you made me now very curious.. :D

@psolaras:
I would like to know where do you get your info from the databooks. It interests me a great deal.

Luckas
October 30, 2007, 01:17 PM
Banned people made very serious offenses which disrupts the forums and make it a less enjoyable place and the banning isn't sudden and announced. Moderators advises people when their behavior is in contrast with forum rules, explain them which rules they overlooked and invite them to modify their behavior. Moderators consider the banning the last resort, but sometimes it is a necessary means.

psolaras
October 30, 2007, 05:57 PM
absolutio

the fact that 4 yonkou are equal with 7 schichibukai doesn't mean that every yonkou is stronger than every schichibukai,it just means that the average yonkou is stronger than the average schichibukai

for example the weaker yonkou would be strongest than the weaker schichibukai

but story wise shanks is the 2nd strongest yonkou and mihawk is stronger than him (even though they are in the same level category which is the highest there is)

also i showed that shanks is weaker than mihawk with proof from the databooks and the manga,shanks was stated to be a swordsman and mihawk is the strongest swordsman so there is nothing to doubt

and just because mihawk is stronger than shanks that doesn't mean that shanks is a loser,shanks is a beast and ther most charesmatic person in OP but that doesn't mean that mihawk has to be weaker just because shanks has more fans

also who said that shanks is handicapped?? he may be an ambidextrous,we don't know if losing his arm affected his power,it's a fiction not reality,oda has to state that shanks got weaker otherwise we don't know

about the databooks,if you look at the threads i made you will see about 5 threads asking for page translations

the only place that the databooks are translated/scanlated is here in MH so believe that you will be the first to know if a databook is scanlated

usually i create theads and ask about characters that interest me so that is how i get trans

also for those trans of the OP grand times and the red databook a friend of mine created countless threads in NF till someone translated a few pages

so don't worry,there isn't any website with trans on databooks,nobody bothers with them

for example the new databook of OP,the yellow databook was a piece of trash,it didn't contain any power stats or info about the gears or asura,the only thing it cleared was that asura was just an attack and zoro's real upgrade was his demon ki

also it stated that zoro's ki was enough to make a person faint so it showed us that zoro is walking the same path that shanks and mihawk walked (though zoro is in the beginning and shanks in the end)

and from the other pages the only worth to mention things was that mihawk's sword was named the black blade yoru and that the WB crew has 16 divisions

all the other info it contained was things we already knew of so that is why no one bothers to translate the databooks,they just translate the important parts that are usually less than 3 pages,the databooks never state things that the manga hasn't stated,they just clears some things up in the best case and repeat things we know of in the 99,9% of their pages

the only worthy databooks are naruto's since they actually contain intersting info and the only thing worthy from bleach's databook was zaraki having his zanpakotou always released like ichigo and that he has the highest spirit or something like that

also the yellow databook stated that zoro and luffy are rivals but it didn't state if they are equal (something that the red databook had stated) all the other info it showed were crap

i hope i helped you

Absolutio
October 30, 2007, 06:43 PM
Well.. after reading a bit in Wikipedia about both characters, I've gotta admit that mihawk might be stronger as an individual than shanks, but I'm still having my doubts.
And we don't really know if shanks is the 2nd strongest yonkou, we only know that WB is the strongest. And also from reading Wiki I learned that mihawk is probably the strongest shichibukai, since the databooks says he's called "the king of shichibukai" or something like that. So it does make sense that he's equal or ever stronger than some of the yonkou (again, as individuals).

And yea, thanks a lot for the databook info. Helped me a lot!

Off topic: Luckas, of course I know that you mods don't ban people at a whim or anything. I'm 100% sure that you had the right reasons to ban them (although I don't quite know them). Am I allowed to ask if those 2 mentioned earlier are permenently banned? I'll understand if I'm not. Thanks again..

Imitorar
October 30, 2007, 07:15 PM
psolaras, the bits of Databook you quoted did NOT say that Shanks was a swordsman. Read them again. Really carefully. It says Shanks had sword-skills. Not that he was a swordsman. Also, Mihawk said "I wouldn't fight a one armed man". Not "I already beat you". Which implies that the duel ended because Mihawk refused to fight Shanks anymore after Shanks lost his arm. And it said Mihawk would fight anyone who challenged him for the title of "The World's Strongest Swordsman". But if Shanks is not a swordsman, then Mihawk wouldn't accept his challenge. The Databooks themselves said it. He had skills with a sword, but he wasn't a "swordsman". Mr. 1 had sword skills. Kaku had sword skills. They were not "swordsmen". Being a swordsman is a mind-set, an attitude, a lifestyle. Zoro lives by it. Mihawk lives by it. Shanks does not. By your logic, since Whitebeard is weaker then Mihawk, since he also used a sword. But that's not true. Therefore, it is possible for a character to use a sword, but not to be a "swordsman". I honestly think that duel between Mihawk and Shanks was broken off by Mihawk's sense of honor. Who would have won if it finished... nobody knows. So I would say that the two are ROUGHLY equal. Which one is actually that little bit stronger is unknown.

psolaras
October 31, 2007, 06:08 AM
imitorar i can understand your doubts but in the blue databook shanks is stated as a swordsman though i don't have the trans

also even if he wasn't we haven;t seen shanks do anything except hodling/using his sword,he even attacked WB,the strongest man in OP,with his sword and WB doesn't have a sword and he i stronger than mihawk if that is what you implied since i lost you there

you don't attack the strongest man in the world and you don't fight the future strongest swordsman in the world with something that isn't your main style

i agree on what you said that people with swords aren't swordsmen automatically and in the blue databook it sais that mihawk recognised zoro as a swordsman so not all who have skills with the sword live with the swordsman's code of honour

but since it is shanks we are talking about i think there shouldn't be any doubt that he is a top class swordsman,you can't have world class skills with the sword and not be a swordsman cause the level of the top tiers like shanks and mihawk aren't the same with mr.1's

also kaku was a swordsman,he just used his feet too and kaku followed the way of a swordsman,just see how he acted when zoro had beat him

anyway shanks has been stated to be a swordsman so there isn't really any point in arguing to this

and i think that the fact that he was a rival of mihawk and carries a sword implies that he is a world class swordsman

and the last thing that shows that shanks is a swordsman is his fighting aura,when he started walking in WB's ship we saw people fainted by his spirit,later when the databook came out it stated that zoro's demon ki could make a person faint,when zoro stepped in kaku's room kaku said that he felt zoro has become a different man since his spirit was like the spirit of a wild animal

so we can see that the spirit is something common between the swordsmen,i don't know if other people can user their spirit that way but till now only swordsmen have showed that skill

also in the databook it was stated that mihawk fights everybody that challenges him for the title,he doesn't recognise them as swordsman first and then fights them since he recognised zoro as a swordsman in the middle of the fight and especially the end

if you remember he said that east blue is a weak ocean and doubted zoro's skills so he doesn't test the people that challenge him b4 the fight,he fights everyone otherwise if what you claim is true then mihawk wouldn't fight shanks that many times since he coul understand after the first fight that he wasn't a true swordsman

but shanks is stated as a swordsman,he is stated to have world class skills witht the sword and he was stated as a rival of mihawk many years ago,so there is nothing to doubt

also sorry if the post looks or too serious or too harsh but my connection is giving me troubles so i can't use smillies

and i saw this thread by luck and posted here,i am at naruto fan usually so i might not be here to answer any of the next posts

Absolutio
October 31, 2007, 06:50 AM
Well, even if shanks is a swordsman.. We don't know if he has any DF powers (which he might have). So we can't really judge mihawk vs. shanks without proper knowledge of both's skills.

Sorata
October 31, 2007, 08:13 AM
I´m 99% sure that Shanks don´t have a Devil Fruit, first he swim to save Luffy and second he allways said that a pirate is not a pirate if he can´t swim, so i doubt a man with that kind of mentallity would eat a devil fruit, and people stop arguing on who is stronger: Mihawk or Shanks, because they probably will never fight, but one thing we know for sure the both of them are at the same level as WB, tons of speechs in the manga were made by the mangaka to make us realize that, it´s more than obvious that Mihawk isn´t at the same level as the other Shichibukai.

Imitorar
October 31, 2007, 07:43 PM
I never said Mihawk would only fight a swordsman for the title. I said that he would fight anyone for the title, yet he wouldn't fight Shanks. Therefore, Shanks is ineligible for the title due to not being a swordsman. You can use a sword and not be a swordsman. Brook isn't a swordsman. His skills are pretty good. Why can't Shanks have great skill and not be a swordsman? And he may have not fought Shanks because a one armed man can't be a swordsman, but Shanks was before. But then he would have said that he beat Shanks before anyway. And if you say that the Databooks said that Shanks was a swordsman, I wanna see it.

Freakzin
October 31, 2007, 08:04 PM
wait a second there. Brook is definetely a swordsman... what makes you think he isn't?

Imitorar
October 31, 2007, 08:23 PM
^Attitude. Mindset. That sort of thing. Just because he uses a sword doesn't make him a swordsman. It's that... well, the fact that he uses a sword doesn't define who he his. Brook could be Brook without using a sword. Zoro isn't Zoro if he doesn't practice the art of the sword. Neither is Mihawk. It's a lifestyle, sort of.

Freakzin
October 31, 2007, 08:52 PM
i get what you mean now

Timeless
November 01, 2007, 06:36 AM
Mihawk and Shanks were rivals. That's fact. As rivals, they fought each other many times - if it was for the title, I don't know - but personally I believe they fought as a way to become stronger. I can see everyone here agrees that Shanks and Mihawk are almost equal - with varying opinions on who is the strongest.

Now, in a fight, there are three different outcomes - win, loss and tie. If Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world (a title I am certain he could not attain from an opponent because he was the strongest swordsman and then lost an arm) that means that he didn't lose to Shanks, at least not in the latest battles they fought. So - mind you that this is just my educated guess - Mihawk vs. Shanks ended in a tie most of the time. If Shanks won all the time, then one win by Mihawk wouldn't really count for much, would it? So I'd guess that the results were pretty much the same but that Shanks had more losses than Mihawk. This would mean that Mihawk was stronger, though it'd be close.

The reason Mihawk refused to fight Shanks after he lost an arm, isn't because he didn't acknowledge Shanks as a swordsman. It's because he knew there wouldn't be any contest when his opponent had been handicapped. He probably enjoyed fighting such close battles with Shanks - my guess is that they through those fights pushed each other to getting stronger. The fact that Mihawk tells Zoro to strive to surpass him tells me that Mihawk wants nothing more than to push his limits and become even stronger in the way of the sword, kind of like what Zoro himself wants. He knows Shanks' strength all too well, meaning he won't challenge a weakened Shanks since it won't allow him to become stronger.

Please also note that Shanks didn't actually challenge Mihawk after he lost an arm - he asked if Mihawk was there to challenge HIM, but Mihawk declined since Shanks was weakened. It's been stated that Mihawk accepts all challenges, but he didn't fight one-armed Shanks because neither challenged the other. Mihawk wanting to challenge Shanks doesn't mean that he's weaker than him, either - as I said, it means they used to be about equal in power, so Mihawk fighting Shanks would allow him to push his limits. I think it's pretty obvious that losing an arm though is a big handicap for Shanks. ;)

Therefore, I believe Mihawk to be stronger, especially now that his rival is missing an arm. Also, I want you to know that Shanks is my favourite character of all manga and animes I've read/seen, so this isn't a case of Mihawk-fanboying or anything.

I apologize if I was too repetitive, but I was trying to make my point as clear as possible. :)

Sorata
November 01, 2007, 09:26 AM
Timeless: I really liked your post, it was the most clarifing post of this entire thread, very good.

Imitorar
November 01, 2007, 09:37 PM
Mihawk is probably stronger now, if only due to the lack of an arm for Shanks. But I still say that they were roughly equal before.

psolaras
November 02, 2007, 11:51 AM
brooke is a swordsman,zoro's attitude and dedication comes from his personallity and not from the code of honour of swordsmen

and when those zombie mice informed moria about brooke someone said that he is a famous swordsman so there is no doubt since oda himself stated it

and i don't have the databooks now since i borowed my OP dvds to a friend but i shall ask for shanks' page in the blue databook to be translated when i get them back so this can be solved though i believe the person that said it was stated that shanks is a swordsman since he was the one to translate the databook quotes i posted

also mihawk and shanks were rivals once uppon a time,no matter what we think mihawk is stronger,even if we think that shanks was his equal but he lost his arm and he got weaker or even if mihawk won aganst shanks b4 he lost his arm doesn't matter since mihawk's title speaks by himself

also shanks wouldn't leave an unsettled rivalry with mihawk so he could hang with luffy in east blue for a whole year,i am positive the fight was decided long b4 that

also i agree that shanks didn't challenge mihawk but the comment about the one armed man could be a taunt to an ex rival,we don't knwo what mihawk meant but mhawk stated that he has stopped thinking about fighting shanks for a very long time so this fight was decided and though it won't rehappen we will see shanks vs mihawk in flashbacks

mck06
November 07, 2007, 09:32 AM
It seems that the previous hawkeye vs shanks was tie. shanks lost his arm but with this handicap he meet whitebeard and leave consciousness almost all the tripulation. and during the meeting whitebeard talk about the legendary fight of this two chapter 434 also the scan on his eye is from this battle. Also he got a lot of balls without 1 arm he cross swords with whitebeard :P he must be a little weaker than in those days but remember that he's 1 of the 4 Yonkou, they are more powerful or equal to the Shichibukai and Navy Headquarters.

Sorata
November 07, 2007, 09:44 AM
It´s not that he have a lot of balls(by the way he has it), but that sword crossing with WB was just Shanks making a statement, Shanks and WB both known that a fight wasn´t going to accur, was just to release their anger and stress from the conversation they just had.

Absolutio
November 07, 2007, 12:02 PM
Yea, as the saying: "Men talk with their fists!"

BlackOP
November 23, 2007, 11:00 AM
Mihawk would win without doubt, Mihawk is at the same level as White beard and Shanks, not to mention that he is Zoro´s final goal, so an even fight against Mihawk will only happen at the end of the manga, and by now Luffy is just an ant compared to Mihawk.
Just an ant??!?!?!? RU cant b serious!!! Luffy is now on da same level as the other Shichibukai( I spelled that wrong) im not saying that he would own Mihawk but he would put up a hell of a fight.... and he jus defeated another shichibukai.... his bounty is gonna go way up there now... though its true we dont know the bounty of Mihawk

Absolutio
November 23, 2007, 01:01 PM
Just an ant??!?!?!? RU cant b serious!!! Luffy is now on da same level as the other Shichibukai( I spelled that wrong) im not saying that he would own Mihawk but he would put up a hell of a fight.... and he jus defeated another shichibukai.... his bounty is gonna go way up there now... though its true we dont know the bounty of Mihawk

Mihawk is considered the king of shichibukai, first of all.. So he's in a whole different level than what we've seen so far.. That's a first...
And who said that Luffy already beat Moria.. ?

Imitorar
November 23, 2007, 01:54 PM
Either way, an ant is stretching it... I'm not saying that Luffy could beat Mihawk or anything, but he could definitely put up a good fight. And Absulutio, Mihawk is considered the King of Shichibukai not so much because of any evidence of that, but because people like him so much and he seems so much more powerful and independent then the rest. But whether he is the strongest of them or not, Luffy could probably put up a good fight, though he'd probably lose at this point. The same thing goes for Zoro. He could put up a decent point, but as things are now, he'd lose.

Absolutio
November 23, 2007, 07:32 PM
About "King of the shichibukai".. As according to Wikipedia, it's from the databooks this "title".. :s But dunno how reliable wikipedia is..

Impel Down
November 23, 2007, 10:38 PM
I don't remember "King of the Shichibukai" ever being used, and I'm pretty sure Oda would never go to such lengths as to give Shichibukai "levels" withing the WG.

And it's not like we know the Shichibukai's powers in comparison to one another, so it's really hard to say if one is stronger than the other. Someone could easily make the argument that Crocodile is stronger than Mihawk because he can't be cut.

hollowfied
November 24, 2007, 09:26 AM
As I said earlier, I believe that Mihawk can cut elements.

But we don't know, as of yet.

Btw, Welcome back Impel :D

Impel Down
November 24, 2007, 09:27 AM
Well, of course you can cut sand. Anyone can cut sand. Same goes for Ao Kiji, he was ice, and he was shattered many times, but he could still reform himself. If Mihawk cuts off Crocodile's head, it'll just reform with sand. Same would go for if he cuts Ace or Smoker.

And thanks.

Sorata
November 24, 2007, 09:31 AM
And here we go again......like i said for the 1000 time non Akuma no Mi users can defeat Logia users, Oda said it in one of the databooks, there are ways to defeat Logia users without Sea Metal and their natural weaknesses, we already talked about this a lot, let´s not begin a discussion about this again please.

Impel Down
November 24, 2007, 12:21 PM
And here we go again......like i said for the 1000 time non Akuma no Mi users can defeat Logia users, Oda said it in one of the databooks, there are ways to defeat Logia users without Sea Metal and their natural weaknesses, we already talked about this a lot, let´s not begin a discussion about this again please.

You can table-top them so they fall into the sea.

Imitorar
November 24, 2007, 06:57 PM
The best bet for beating a Logia user without Seastone or their weakness substance would be to take them by surprise, since Crocodile was unique in that he was always in elemental form and couldn't be cut. If you cut, say, Enel, while he was sleeping, he would die. It's just that he'd also hear you coming with Mantra and frag you. Ace could take physical attacks also if he's taken by surprise, like we saw in Alabasta when Luffy knocked into him and Smoker. It's only when he's in his elemental form that solid objects go through him. It's just that the Logia users we've seen so far have almost never been shown in a situation where they were taken by surprise, so it seems like eating a Logia fruit makes you invulnerable, but that's really not the case.

DutchPhoenix
November 24, 2007, 08:10 PM
mihawks real name is julakil mihawk, weird name actually xD

Absolutio
November 24, 2007, 08:13 PM
Julakil? I guess it's Latino/Hispani/etc. ?
I really wonder if we see him soon, sometime after the arc. He is one of the fav chars after all.. :s

Impel Down
November 24, 2007, 09:15 PM
Mihawk's name is Dracule Mihawk or Juraquile Mihawk, actually. I think Dracule is more appropriate because he looks like a vampire.

Imitorar
November 24, 2007, 09:21 PM
It's not Julakil. It's usually romanized as Dracule, the joke being that he appeared in a coffin. However, the romaji actually come out to Juraquille, which is pronounced more or less the same way, but it sounds very French, which makes sense, when you consider how Mihawk looks. (Come on, he'd fit with the popular image of a Musketeer pretty well.) My guess is that Oda meant for both references, that he seems sort of French, but he acts a bit like a vampire. By the way, Viz, in their official American version of the manga, uses Juraquille, I believe. Either way, we'll know for sure once we see his Wanted poster, if we ever see it.

Impel Down
November 24, 2007, 09:45 PM
It's not Julakil. It's usually romanized as Dracule, the joke being that he appeared in a coffin. However, the romaji actually come out to Juraquille, which is pronounced more or less the same way, but it sounds very French, which makes sense, when you consider how Mihawk looks. (Come on, he'd fit with the popular image of a Musketeer pretty well.) My guess is that Oda meant for both references, that he seems sort of French, but he acts a bit like a vampire. By the way, Viz, in their official American version of the manga, uses Juraquille, I believe. Either way, we'll know for sure once we see his Wanted poster, if we ever see it.

Actually, Viz chose Dracule for his name, which makes more sense in my opinion, because of the vampire thing. I mean, the coat, the coffin-boat, the over-all appearence, the fact that he keeps coming out of mist or darkness, and all the crosses are sort of anti-vampire, so that's interesting.

But there's a French thing going on with him too, it seems. I mean, 4Kids (shakes fist at sky) gave him a frenchish accent.

Imitorar
November 24, 2007, 09:52 PM
Hey, the accents they gave people were always based off their physical characteristics. They were all (except maybe Shanks's) horrifically unfitting, but they made sense based on how the character looks. Mihawk really does look French. That's why I say Oda meant for both references, the vampire one and the Musketeer one. And I heard that the romaji is properly Juraquille anyway. Like I said, either one makes sense, since he looks sort of like both, and both were probably intended. We can't know for sure unless we see the Wanted poster.

hollowfied
November 24, 2007, 10:32 PM
Mihawk is awesome.

Hope we see him soon.

Impel Down
November 24, 2007, 10:54 PM
Just heard Mihawk's new dub voice in the Funi dub.

...it has no...bite. It's just a bland voice. I was disappointed. Now, don't get me wrong, it's better than the 4Kids French voice, but it just needs more character in it.

And about Mihawk plot-wise, since the WG is clearly sending real forces after Luffy and his crew, is it possible that they will try to send Mihawk as well, since he already had an interesting in the crew (well, Zoro, but he said the whole crew in the meeting). If he was to be sent, I think he'll show up much later, like in the New World, since they're so close and Kuma was already sent, so maybe the WG will just focus all their forces in the New World.

Wale
December 10, 2007, 10:06 AM
Mihawk is my favorite Shichibukai (but Crocodile is one of my favorite evils.. =D) i hope we see him again.. really soon =) There is something in his personality, that i like very much.. maybe that Mihawk is one of the most serious characters.

ANBU4U
December 10, 2007, 10:42 AM
Hey, the accents they gave people were always based off their physical characteristics. They were all (except maybe Shanks's) horrifically unfitting, but they made sense based on how the character looks. Mihawk really does look French. That's why I say Oda meant for both references, the vampire one and the Musketeer one. And I heard that the romaji is properly Juraquille anyway. Like I said, either one makes sense, since he looks sort of like both, and both were probably intended. We can't know for sure unless we see the Wanted poster.

I actually found Robin's country accent strangely fitting...

Yami_Yami_No_Mi_89
December 11, 2007, 07:43 AM
I think real Mihawk's name was Drakul...

Impel Down
December 11, 2007, 08:36 AM
It's never really romanized, but most people accept Dracule, like most dubs and subs and scans do.

I mean, he looks like a vampire, and there's a lot vampirey stuff about him, so Dracule just seems right.

hollowfied
December 11, 2007, 09:14 AM
So Mihawk can fight on par with a Yonkou, and he operates fine alone and without a crew in the New World..I think hes probably the strongest Shichibukai.

I mean Moria is incredibly strong, with his huge zombie army as well as Oz, and his immensely overpowered Shadow Asgard skill, and yet he still got owned in the New World by Kaidoh.

Crocodile wouldn't even be able to survive 2 weeks in the New World imo..

Quite huge power differences between the various Shichibukai...

ANBU4U
December 11, 2007, 11:25 AM
So Mihawk can fight on par with a Yonkou, and he operates fine alone and without a crew in the New World..I think hes probably the strongest Shichibukai.

I mean Moria is incredibly strong, with his huge zombie army as well as Oz, and his immensely overpowered Shadow Asgard skill, and yet he still got owned in the New World by Kaidoh.

Crocodile wouldn't even be able to survive 2 weeks in the New World imo..

Quite huge power differences between the various Shichibukai...

Seems reasonable, for some reason, to assume Moria began further experimentation with his Shadow abilities AFTER losing his crew in the new world. Discovering then his ability to reanimate corpses with stolen shadows...and THEN subsequently his ability to take in those same stolen shadow for however long.

Likely, and Moria believed this himself, upon reentering the New World he would have acquitted himself far better than his first trip.

arcrouma
December 11, 2007, 02:13 PM
Does anyone know why mihawk came to see shanks?

Imitorar
December 11, 2007, 05:35 PM
You mean in chapter 96, right after Luffy defeated Arlong? Then it was to tell Shanks about Luffy's bounty, which he thought Shanks might be interested in, because Shanks had told him a bit about how he lost his arm, and therefore, about Luffy. If you mean any other time, then you'd have to tell which time, because that's the only shown meeting between Shanks and Mihawk that I can think of.

Absolutio
December 11, 2007, 05:35 PM
To tell him of Luffy's first bounty (since he knew of his relations with him.. Mihawk and Shanks used to be closed rivals).

kazuma_uzumaki
December 12, 2007, 11:09 PM
I wonder if Mihawk's sword is one of the legendaries

Imitorar
December 12, 2007, 11:11 PM
I wonder if Mihawk's sword is one of the legendaries

I think it's been canonically confirmed that it is the best sword in the world. At any rate, I think Tashigi might have mentioned it back in Loguetown.

ANBU4U
December 12, 2007, 11:19 PM
I think it's been canonically confirmed that it is the best sword in the world. At any rate, I think Tashigi might have mentioned it back in Loguetown.

It's one of the world's twenty-one Ōwazamono, just like Wadō Ichimonji and Shuusui. Nothing more.

Wale
December 12, 2007, 11:33 PM
"As a reward, a gesture to a fellow swordsmen, I will wield this "Black Sword", the most powerful sword in the world, to end your life." Mihawk said this to Zoro before he won the fight.

kazuma_uzumaki
December 12, 2007, 11:42 PM
In the American version it goes like

"I shall honor the swordsmen's code and kill you with the "black blade" The finest sword in the world"

Absolutio
December 13, 2007, 06:15 AM
Still, both of your verisions state that it's the best swords in the world.. Though it was stated by Mihawk, so there's always a chance of not being 100% true.

Dice
December 13, 2007, 12:36 PM
In the german version he says:
"I'll remember your name...I've waited a long time for such a strong opponent..it'll be fun to kill you with the black sword"

Nothing about the strongest sword. But translations are often wrong at least a little bit (although I like most of the german translations of One Piece).

But as Absulution said, it was stated by Mihawk so there COULD still be a better sword somewhere in the world.

I'm curious when we'll hear something Mihawk.

Wale
December 13, 2007, 04:24 PM
I speak German, and believe me if i say: the german dub is crap.. if i'm riight, a channel called RTL2 dubbed it and they censored a lot of texts.

Imitorar
December 13, 2007, 04:52 PM
Discussion of One Piece dubs should be done in the Theater and Arcade (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=275). No more of it here.

kazuma_uzumaki
December 23, 2007, 10:57 PM
Of the known Shichibukai

all of them has a devil fruit power (i think)

It's still unkown if Mihawk has one.

Does he have a devil power? Or does he have pure, human freak power

If he does have a devil power what exactly do you presume it is?

hollowfied
December 24, 2007, 12:36 AM
Jimbei doesn't.

Quite obviously Mihawk doesn't either.

Since he is Zoro's final opponent, it'd be unfair if Mihawk had a DF and Zoro didn't. Besides, hes a swordsman, and having a devil fruit really wouldn't benefit a swordsman all that much.

Absolutio
December 24, 2007, 09:48 AM
We don't know if Jimbei does or doesn't have a DF power, but he probably doesn't since he's a Fishman, and having a DF will make him a hammer - disgrace for a fishman imo.

Mihawk probably doesn't have one either.. He doesn't need one. He's a swordsman.. Relying on a power other then his skills with swords won't make him much of a swordsman.

Off topic: How did hollowfied managed to get banned again?!

DragonMoonZ
December 24, 2007, 11:16 AM
Yeah of all the Shichibukai, Mihawk is the most badass, his looks, his style everything, it would be only better if this man was fighting on pure strength alone, that would make him the Zaraki Kenpachi of One Piece, i hope he doesn't have a power either...

Impel Down
December 24, 2007, 01:03 PM
Off topic: How did hollowfied managed to get banned again?!

Same way I got banned twice, I guess.

And Mihawk does not have one, no. That's been made clear.

ryusuke_
December 24, 2007, 01:09 PM
I doubt it. Since I think he's somebody that was like Zoro in the past, I doubt he uses other power than himself one, that's what greatest swordmen in One Piece are and should be: guys who fight with only his sword, nothing more, no other powers :P


Thread merged.

Neuroff
December 24, 2007, 04:18 PM
Off topic: How did hollowfied managed to get banned again?!
He tried to argue with a brick wall in the Naruto Forum and started getting pissed off.

And yeah, I'd say Mihawk has no power.


Please guys, no more offtopic.

Wale
December 26, 2007, 08:47 AM
Of the known Shichibukai

all of them has a devil fruit power (i think

A Fishmen that can not swim? well.. it would be funny :D :D

DragonMoonZ
December 26, 2007, 10:01 AM
Haha yeah forget about that one, if Jimbei has a DP he cannot swim, damn it so obvious

Impel Down
December 26, 2007, 10:50 AM
All the Mermen/Fishmen can't have DF's, that's been decided long ago. Then again, it's not like they need them. Arlong and his main crew have shown to have crazy powers by themselves anyway, especially Arlong, with his water-throwing ability.

Luckas
December 26, 2007, 12:56 PM
Please guys, stay on topic. This thread is about Mihawk.

lordHokage
February 14, 2008, 09:57 AM
when u think we'll see him in action again? :tem

Since Roronoa Zoro wants to defeats Hawk Eyes, I don’t think we are going to see him any time soon. My guess is when Zoro is really to fulfill his dream, Dracule Mihawk will appear out of nowhere to tests his abilities once again. :D

Highseas7
February 15, 2008, 09:42 PM
wow thats an interesting statement then why i wonder mihawks is claimed the worllds strongest swordsmen i mean shanks has one arm and i mean his still a bad mofo but come on honestly him better then mihawk never heard such a lie there at the same level deal with it

Superman
February 16, 2008, 11:35 AM
Mihawk is the strongest swordsman, but shanks would beat him because shanks dont just use his swords he use his legs and his arm too and at least in the games and i think his muskles are stronger, but who knows its hard to say i like shanks so i am on shanks side....

Highseas7
February 16, 2008, 02:46 PM
well i mean it's not like mihawk doesn't have arms and legs either kid i still say they would fight even, i mean shanks lost an arm , and i don't care how badass anyone is if someone loses an arm espeacilly if there a fighter they are at a big disadvantage, which helps prove the theory that shanks is a swordsman cause even if u lost one arm as a swordsman ur skills wouldn't change much at all

Superman
February 16, 2008, 03:33 PM
whaaaaaaaaaaattttt your right he have arms (SURPRISED FACE) but if he is a swordsman as zoro he woulnt fight much with them.:D

now i eat my quadrate pizza.

oh and highseas i wont be disrespectfull to you any more because you giggled about my joke. (friendly smilie with his tungue out).( damn where can i get these fucking smilies when i dont click on quote).
i scared neonmaster away he hated me and i liked him he was so funny but i miss him and i dont wanna scare you away so i ll be nice.

Highseas7
February 16, 2008, 06:03 PM
lol likewise superman likewise but serouisly just cause he is a swordsman doesn't mean he cant throw a punch or a kick every once and a while

kazuma_uzumaki
February 20, 2008, 10:52 PM
You know Since mihawk is the greatest swordsman in the world

does there mean theres a blacksmith whos powers is unrivaled?

i mean because someone had to make mihaks sword,

and the great 21

Absolutio
February 21, 2008, 07:09 AM
i dunno if it's one blacksmith or some, but it doesn't mean that those smithers are still alive. The legendary 21 swords are probably swords that went through the centuries and survived - showing their true value. You can see that by Ryuuma's sword. And ryuma is an ancient samurai or so.
But there is a chance of a blacksmither making a new legendary sword specially for zoro. It will be like Hantori Hanzu from kill bill. :p