Naruto Moments You Would Change

[Zeus-Tails]

I know there are fans who wished certain moments in Naruto could of gone a way they wanted it to go, whether it would be because it would be more entertaining or you think that the way it did go was kinda lame, well here's a thread for you to tell your thoughts :)

Personally, I would like the Naruto vs Neji fight in the Chuunin Exam to end with Naruto summoning Gamabunta and pwning Neji. Not only will no one there be able to DENY Naruto's power, but it would definitely send a shock to Orochimaru and Sandaime. That would tip Orochimaru that Jiraiya was around and he might have second thoughts about an invasion knowing that there are 2 kage-level ninjas around to fight him.

But I'd mostly want to see Neji's expression when he stands face-to-face with a 50-story toad with a katana ^^

[ShadowStrike]

Well, actually I could rewrite the entire story in my style. The problem is I can't draw like Kishimoto and I don't know Japanese?!

[Jetsu]

I would have like Naruto to get some credit for Oro getting defeated by super Sasuke. Everyone seem to forget Naruto beat up Oro before Sasuke killed him.

[DarkManSharingan32]

I would have like Naruto to get some credit for Oro getting defeated be super Sasuke. Everyone seem to forget Naruto beat up Oro before Sasuke killed him.

Naruto didn't do anything.
Kyuubi did, and I'm still not conviced Orochimaru was going for the kill.
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If I could re-write anything...
It would be the Deidara/Gaara fight...

Something where Gaara re-asserts his dominance, and shows why he was chosen the Kazekage, finally quelling all the doubts from the underlings in his country.

That and the way the NiBii Yugito was handled...
What a waste of character, honestly.


I would have loved to see a three-man cell of Jinchuurikis... fighting back against the power that wished to destroy them.

[jiro]

i think the part when naruto used shuriken rasengan 2nd time he hit kakuzu. it was too predictable.

[ornis]

I wanted to change that entire fight, jiro. But my idea was too outlandish... though a lot of "innovative" techniques showed up in my idea... even one that would, um, surpass Hiraishin >_>;

I read some of it earlier this week (realize that I did the whole rework months ago), and I laughed at myself lol

[ikuroi]

Naruto cryin over and over again, actin more like a little girl than a man. Sasuke actin like a true asshole in the end of valley. Salira start treatin Naruto with some fuckin respect and don't belittle him everytime. Kakashi stops actin like a hypocrite. Someone besides Sai to actually say that Sasuke is a traitor... cause he is.

[LadyHatake]

I'd probably rewrite Asuma dying. I understand it develops his character, blah blah, but damnit =( Why not Chouji? Poor Kurenai~

Also, I think the fight between Gaara and Deidara, like DarkManSharingan said, would be a good one to re-write. It just seems like Gaara went down too easily, when we know he's ridiculously amazing, talented, and strong. I'd have liked to have seen some more action in it, is all.

[Konkun]

I dont think I would rewrite the fight between Gaara and Deidara. He went down because he was simply outsmarted by Deidara. Besides he had the upper hand in that battle too having all that sand around him. If anything, I would change the fact that Naruto grew up without a good fatherly figure around. He didnt have anyone until the age of 11 or so. The flashback of him being singled out were sad.

I would change it so that Jiraiya had taken him from the begining, take him around the world and teaching him. Naruto would have been an amazing ninja from the start and Jiraiya would have yet another student taking on his legacy.

[matrice]

i think the part when naruto used shuriken rasengan 2nd time he hit kakuzu. it was too predictable.
I would revrite the first part of the fight... Really, I expected a cool and fast winning that would prove Naruto's growth, while he was almost killed and seemed lame: he was even disrespected by the almost useless Ino!!!
I would like to change part of Naruto's fights in the beginning of the manga: in particular I wanted him to be seen by more people when he defeated Gahara with the Toad-summon.
But if I have to choose one, I would pick up the first, since it was too lame to be tolerated: I waited years for an occasion to see his power-up and he came up with such a stupid behaviour, which lowered the value of his win, while everyone would have been astonished by a fast and easy win. ANd I don't like the form of the new tecnique either: I mean, a rasengan with little "blades" like the first one was tolerable, but that huge thing seemed a bit gross to me (well, I guess that here ojne can say almost anything, it depends by your personal aestetic-sense of beauty, and isn't important, I was just unsatisfied by its design).

[kazuma_uzumaki]

rewrite asuma dying

instead of dying, being so injured that he can't be a shinobi

nothing like Rock Lee after gaara vs Lee

like permanently cant be shinobi. Not Rock Lee where after a while he's all super

[gfire2]

rewrite naruto vs neiji's fight realli boring how it ended

[mck06]

huh ? can you explain that a little more?

[radical3113]

id rewrite the fact that gai never wants to use his ninjutsu

[Zeus-Tails]

I want to rewrite some of Kabuto's actions. I was hoping for a long time that he was the one who was actually using Orochimaru for some deep plan, but the way he talked to Naruto, Yamato and Hinata, it doesn't seem that way :(

[Fayte]

I would make Neji beat Naruto in the Chuunin exam. Naruto winning with 1 punch the whole fight is absolutely absurd.

[Gold Knight]

I'd probably rewrite Team Gai AND the Sand (especially Temari) as having larger role in the Rescue of Gaara. We didn't get a whole lot of character development with Team Gai, especially in their interaction with Team 7, which disappointed me.

And it made no sense that the Sand had so many people and yet only sent a grandmother to accompany Team Kakashi when it was their own Kazekage's life at risk. The Sand really owe the Leaf on that one.

Though I understand Kishimoto wrote the arc that way in order to give Sakura more of a spotlight, and Temari would have given them an unfair advantage, it still didn't make much sense. That's exactly why they SHOULD have taken Temari with them. She actually would have done even better against Sasori than Chiyo-baasma with her fan. And especially against Deidara. (But then again, Gaara would be still dead.)

The Grass Arc (when Sai accompanied Team 7 to seek out Sasuke) had some very boring parts there near the end. I think I would have at least written in more Orochimaru subordinates protecting the cave - at least one more, anyway, besides Kabuto. It was weird how Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Sasuke seemed to be the only living souls there.

There's a few things I would rewrite about Hidan and Kakuzu's battles, too - and I probably would have just written Asuma as only crippled, too.

I actually thought Part 1 was flawless (in terms of storytelling), and I'd change nothing about it, but Part 2 really hasn't lived up to the same standards. I guess Kishimoto just lost his touch a bit.


I would make Neji beat Naruto in the Chuunin exam. Naruto winning with 1 punch the whole fight is absolutely absurd.

Well, Naruto was endowed with Kyuubi strength. Neji was lucky not to have his head taken off.

(And Naruto did take a beating before then.)

[Decorus]

There were two reasons why Neji was knocked out with a single punch.

1. Naruto and Neji were both badly injured when Naruto charged headlong into Neji's whirl.
2. Neji had absolutely no idea the attack was coming, because he had thought he already won the fight, a classic mistake of not making sure his opponent was really down which in Naruto's case is a requirement just ask Kiba, Orochimaru, Haku and Sasuke.


Honestly the only real change I would make would be for Sasuke to have mistakenly believed he had killed Naruto with Kakashi arriving in the nick of time to keep Naruto from truely dying.

[Alterno]

I want to rewrite some of Kabuto's actions. I was hoping for a long time that he was the one who was actually using Orochimaru for some deep plan, but the way he talked to Naruto, Yamato and Hinata, it doesn't seem that way :(

lol, not ones knows what Kabuto has in mind. Orochimaru didn't know what he had in mind, but he knew that he was planning something. Kabuto in my humble is the most interesting impredictible character of the manga.

[SOCKSnTHONGS]

i would completely rewrite the sasuke-deidara duel. it didn't last as long as it should have and deidara was one of the most intriguing characters at the time of death. it was a rather tacky fight and i would definitely include some more capabilities for deidara but also new jutsus for sasuke. you gotta say his one little trick is starting to perhaps get a little tedious.

[Kanzen Shinkiro]

Moment #1: Haku's and Zabuza's deaths. I would have allowed for both to reform, although I would like for Haku to return to Mist while Zabuza (due to his past crimes) would remain a wanderer traveling the world in search of a greater purpose.

Moment #2: Sarutobi versus Orochimaru's battle outcome. Orochimaru would have been unable to do anything from the end forward, regardless. No body transfer. No nothing. Instead, he would work towards brainwashing Sasuke, rather than grow him in hopes of stealing his body. Ultimately, Sasuke would, as he has, become strong enough to destroy Orochimaru.

Moment #3: Jiraiya versus Kisame and Itachi. I would have them actually battle for a few chapters for an early display of their abilities and talents. Also use this to foreshadow Hermit Mode, but have both Itachi and Kisame leave before Jiraiya actually used it.

Moment #4: Deidara versus Sasuke. Remove all the deus ex machina from it and allow for Deidara to at least die an honorable death.

Moment #5: Tobi's true identity is revealed: UCHIHA MADARA!!! I would have given the good boy a proper funeral, and thus Pein would remain the true ultimate bad guy of the story.

[radical3113]

sasuke put a chidori through naruto's heart. no scar no nothing to day he runs around fine. at least a scar to remember what sasuke did, and if sasuke is really his "brother".

sasori seeing the attack made against him and not stopping it, in other words choosing to die when he had the upper hand on both of them. now that dosent even make sense especially when he's void of emotions. now thats some forceful writing done by kishi, to make sakura look good.

the fact that kisame never purposely unsheathes his sword, whats the point'o'that.

deidara ,being the only character to loose so many limbs, especially when its the source of his power. and the fact that he never has enough clay, so is always limited, i mean come on thats not even fair.

[marte1980]

I wouldhave gotten rid of Sasuke from a lot of time ago.People usually answers to this with phrases like : " But Sasuke is what drives Naruto and bla bla bla".I know that obviously, it's just that I don't like it.And Sasuke not only tried to kill Naruto many times, he also tried to kill Sakura when they encountered him at Orochimaru's nest.If Naruto were a man, He wouldn't have forgiven Sasuke for that.

[MegaX]

sasori seeing the attack made against him and not stopping it, in other words choosing to die when he had the upper hand on both of them. now that dosent even make sense especially when he's void of emotions. now thats some forceful writing done by kishi, to make sakura look good.

If it was to make Sakura look good, then it didn't work.

But really, Sasori admitted that he did have emotions and that he failed at turning himself into a complete puppet.

[TheChosenOne]

I would have finished the chunnin exam, so that Naruto and Sasuke could meet in the finals. Then I would have the Oro invasion. :)

[Hemostrat]

Sasuke vs Deidara

Not happen at all, what a waste of such a great character.

[DarkManSharingan32]

Sasuke vs Deidara

Not happen at all, what a waste of such a great character.

Deidara?
Never liked him really...

Was always a cocky bastard, y'know?
I would have preferred a Gaara comeback kill...

But Akatsuki guys are droppin like flies...

[warbandit66]

I would have actually preffered Deidara to fight with Sai, so that the two artists could do battle, the one liners from both characters would've been great. Plus Deidara was too great a character just to be used as a mere plot device.

[ShadowStrike]

Usually, I won't waste time on something that isn't gonna happen but this time I'm so disappointed I'm gonna write some crap.

Generally, I'm OK with Sasuke but I'm quite pissed with the recent events regarding Sasuke's battles and progress. So I'm gonna write my own version. One which will be different from Kishi and yet making more sense. Just a rant, but here goes:

Orochimaru vs. Sasuke:

Nothing can be said here really. A sannin lost to Sasuke in a blink of an eye. I mean, Orochimaru already knew what Sharingan was capable of and he got pwned the same way as before? And to think that he's a genius? Something doesn't make sense here.

Deidera vs. Sasuke:

It was a good fight but the ending screwed up big time. Sasuke ran out of chakra and yet he managed to summon manda and did some space-time jive? Are you kidding me? This is the moment I would like to change, at the end of this fight:

- Deidera does C4

- Sasuke's in deep shit, his chakra is gone. Then flash back to his training with Orochimaru. Orochimaru taught him Manda summon and got him the summoning tattoo on his left hand near the wrist, where it's covered with the bandage now. The flash back also shows how Kabuto was talking about how Tsunade stored chakra at a single point to regenerate her cells.

- Back to battle. Deidera detonates C4. Boom. All disappeared, including Sasuke's chakra. Suigetsu comes over and summoned Manda and Sasuke fell out from a cut in Manda's chest.

- At the motel, team snake asks Sasuke what happened, he told them that he had some of his chakra stored in a seal on his right hand wrist (covered with bandage) and that he released the seal (he learned from Kabuto about Tsunade's trick) and get a rush of chakra when Deidera was about to detonate. He then summons Manda (his left hand wrist tattoo), freeze Manda with his Sharingan and cut open his chest to take cover. Once inside the beast's, he unsummons Manda. However, it was a little too late and Manda too a huge part of the hit before getting unsummoned. And that's how Suigetsu found Sasuke falling out from dead Manda's chest.

- Sasuke's condition is critical and he needs to go back to Konoha Uchiha hideout to take some medicine supplies. On his way he met Kisame and was told to meet Itachi in the hideout alone. Team snake says he's body is still badly damaged from previous fight but Sasuke insist he can't turn down this invitation and headed to face Itachi.


---- Well I hope that brings a little justice and "ninjasm" back to Naruto. This shows logic and cohesiveness. Also, it made Sasuke look mortal yet more genius. Finally, it also allowed Sasuke to go cripple when facing his ultimate opponent - Itachi. Yes, you read that right - Sasuke is crippled for a battle for the first time because he has injuries from the fight with Deidera.

Yes, I saved Naruto with my modification! Thank you for wasting your time! xD

[Franckie]

1: Naruto vs Kiba. The "humor" (fart) has caused more ridicule for Naruto than anything else for his character. Get rid of it.

2: Sasuke vs Naruto. Give Sasuke a more believable victory over Naruto than the poor fight we got at VotE.

3: Immortals Fight: Team 10 needed to take Hidan down together, not just Shika alone. Likewise, either give Naruto a more active role in the fight, or showcase a couple of chapters dedicated to the Belltest Scene.

4: Sasuke vs Deidara. The Manda summoning isn't believable. Let's have something else instead please.

5: Jinchuuriki. It would be nice to see more jinchuuriki fights and to have them (at least one) interact with Naruto outside of Gaara.

6: Madara: A Uchiha does not run Akatsuki. Make it a situation akin to Oto and Suna preskip, though I'll see what Kishi does with the relationship. Likewise, Pein vs Madara woud occur unless Kishi performs this unlikely event.

7: Sharingan: Sharingan = "Copy Wheel Eye", not "Do Whatever You Want Eye".

[alias85]

CAT NINJA CLANS

[spinsane]

3: Immortals Fight: Team 10 needed to take Hidan down together, not just Shika alone.


Are you kidding? This was probably the best point in the Manga thus far. Shika NEEDed to do it on his own. Ever fight Shika has been in that has been critical to the story has been near death. He has never been able to finish anything on his own, Temari or Asuma come in and save him at the end. Now that there was no one to come and save him, he became a man and did it on his own. Props to Kishi for developing Shika so well. I mean, It was predictable he would grow beyond his dependence of others coming to save him, but I thought it was very well done.

[Zeus-Tails]

Even though Hidan can probably kill anyone 1-on-1 (it's so easy to get someone's blood in this manga), I wish they would give him some more jutsus than just his one voodoo jutsu.

[Razh]

Maybe his dogma forbids it :p

I would change Naruto losing his cool quickly.

[Hollow Kurono]

Naruto with old Sakura:The old Sakura,realy used to piss me off,everytime i saw her tourmentin my man,i was so angry.All the time he tried to be nice she pushed him away,all the time he tried to do somethin fo her,she used to beat him up.I would do like this,if Sakura newer had interest in Naruto,then i would say "then screw u!" to Sakura and leave her and newer try to ask her anything and leave her to Sasuke.

Naruto with Sasuke:Naruto goes out of his skin for him.Why?Why do u do that Naruto?He left by himself,yes i know he needs to avange his family.But he had friends that could help,he could have gotten help from someone else,its not like there aint no strong ninja in konoha,well thats not that i mean.If he left he left,why should Naruto go for him,he left on his own,he looks down on Naruto,Naruto praises him and has big thoughs about him but Sasuke,no.I would leave Sasuke be and in Naruto shoes do better things like avengin Jiraya and stopin akatsuki.

Naruto and HInata:Naruto is blind and only sees Sakura,i think he should realize that already.Nartuo should start seein her feeelings for him,cause in real life a girl that waited for a man so long and newer wanted to be with anyone else exept him would get tired of waiting and ignored and would just give up and go to another guy,i realy dont want her to be with Kiba.So plz Naruto com'on,NaruHina!

Rock Lee:I would give him more shine,i would find him a beautiful girlfriend which he could enjoy his youth,i would give him more shine,more fights that he could not loose to the main charachters of the story.

[duchess of dork]

not really change the plot. i would say its more like i want more detail on it. thatd be sasuke bossing over naruto to catch more fish when sakura broke in, requesting sasuke to use the fire jutsu and sasuke suddenly changed his mind, leaving behind a bewildered naruto.

[kkck]

I would have like to see a deidara vs sai fight and then have deidara die at sasuke's hands.

[duchess of dork]

I would have like to see a deidara vs sai fight and then have deidara die at sasuke's hands.
how would you imagine that carried out? deidara accidentally encounters sai, then sasuke team up with sai? but yeah, sai's abilities would really match deidara's long range fighting styles. thatd b good too.

[kkck]

how would you imagine that carried out? deidara accidentally encounters sai, then sasuke team up with sai? but yeah, sai's abilities would really match deidara's long range fighting styles. thatd b good too.

I just always wanted to see an artist vs artist fight. Sai would loose IMO, but the fight would be good.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

To speak the truth i will change most of part 2. From Naruto coming back from training with one of the legendary Sanin and practically coming back the same(ridiculous) to all of Sasuke plotweakling/plothole jutsu fill fights. First of all i will kill off Tenten so i can show more of Team Gai without having to worry about showing her. And maybe kill off Hinata too or make a her stronger

[duchess of dork]

To speak the truth i will change most of part 2. From Naruto coming back from training with one of the legendary Sanin and practically coming back the same(ridiculous) to all of Sasuke plotweakling/plothole jutsu fill fights. First of all i will kill off Tenten so i can show more of Team Gai without having to worry about showing her. And maybe kill off Hinata too or make a her stronger
most of part2--i agree with that. especially with the sasuke part, id rather have kishi downplay his 'almighty' portrayal of sasuke. but kill tenten and hinata off? why? they do look weak and havent improved a bit but we need them for future pairing!<lol>. kishi's running out of female characters.. they jusr need more room in manga panels to show off their improved skills.. im quite sure theyd be in the future releases of naruto.

[shiia96]

what happened between suigestu and kisame?Did we ever get back to those two?

[Rehv]

what happened between suigestu and kisame?Did we ever get back to those two?

I doubt kishi was planning to show us a suigetsu-kisame fight right before the so long waited itachi vs sasuke fight... Then after this encounter, there's no reason for the fight (IMO, kisame being beaten up by suigetsu JUST for suigetsu get another sword, omg way too useless). So my final thoughts are: we will never see what happened other than what we already now (suigetsu rushed at kisame and kisame somehow blocked him without hurting him) and there is a chance of 0,001% kisame will be defeated by suigetsu, it's more like someone from konoha will finish kisame off then suigetsu will get samehada the same way he did with zabuza's sword (forgot the name now).

[Black Lagoon]

go after sasuke's ass, all time talking and thinking about sasuke it's just wierd, if that happened a lot of things could have been changed, So it's better leave things as they are now.

[killbill]

i would probably change sauske vs deidara fight...give sauske a tough time..and deidara a more glorious death....also introduce some badass ninjas who are supposed to hunt down sauske...i m surprised no one's hunting him since he since he deserted the village...
also,i didn't like oro being defeated by sauske so easily...so i would change oro's fate and oro will end up taking over kabuto's body...then confronting sauske and kicking his ass for calling him weak...

[jdw]

I would also change the Sasuke v. Oro fight. It was really lame how that went down after all the hype surrounding Oro for years.

I would change the Tsunade v. Oro/Kabuto fights in order to show more of what Tsunade is capable of because though what she showed was strong, she did not show much (unless what we saw there is really all she is capable of).

[Delbi]

1. Let Naruto learn some jutsu with Jiraiya that aren't Rasengan or Kage Bushin related.

2. Let Itachi live, and Sasuke die. I wished this would have happened.

3. Let Kakashi fight a powerful ninja 1 on 1 for once.

4. Have less flashbacks and show more of the Konoha 11.

5. Had Pain/Nagato actually be a REAL villian, not some near dead moron who changes his whole ideaology because of some crap Naruto said.

6. More character deaths so the manga is actually realistic and more exciting, thanks to Nagato, we now have DBZ v. 2.

[M3J]

1. Characters that died stay dead.
2. Have someone that's too evil to be affected by Naruto.
3. Make Naruto completely lose his innocence. He had a chance when he was against Kakuzu. D:

[jdw]

1. Characters that died stay dead.
2. Have someone that's too evil to be affected by Naruto.
3. Make Naruto completely lose his innocence. He had a chance when he was against Kakuzu. D:

The databook explanation for the jutsu used by Akatsuki to make the 30% clone Itachi using Yuura of the Sand seems to indicate that Yuura was alive when Naruto's Oodama Rasengan hit him, meaning he may have already gotten his first human kill. Unless you mean losing his innocence in other ways, then I don't know if he would have wanted to do that with Kakuzu :)

[mestizo311]

I would change the moment when we found out that Hinata was still alive. Not only her but also the resurrection of all those who died in Pain's assault. To top it off, the reasoning behind this resurrection is based off of some half-ass answer given by Naruto.

[M3J]

The databook explanation for the jutsu used by Akatsuki to make the 30% clone Itachi using Yuura of the Sand seems to indicate that Yuura was alive when Naruto's Oodama Rasengan hit him, meaning he may have already gotten his first human kill. Unless you mean losing his innocence in other ways, then I don't know if he would have wanted to do that with Kakuzu :)

Yuura could have been dead, we dunno how Pain's jutsu works. But that's what I meant, killing someone as losing innocence.
But Kakuzu was Akatsuki, he had to take him out, so.

[jdw]

Yuura could have been dead, we dunno how Pain's jutsu works. But that's what I meant, killing someone as losing innocence.
But Kakuzu was Akatsuki, he had to take him out, so.

The Databook III entry for Pain's shouten no jutsu has been translated as:


Pain allocates chakra from an "Akatsuki" member to a target person, allowing them to fight via an elaborate "copy". The power of the copy is in proportion to the volume of allocated chakra. The original's abilities are also available...!! However, once the chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled and the copy dies. As it even uses up the target's chakra, this is an incredibly brutal technique. Link to Databook Translation by quoted Translator (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1163391#post1163391)

So, this sets up a scenario with very few reasonable outcomes. Here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/09/) we can see the clone is alive. And here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/10-11/) we can see Naruto landing his Oodama rasengan. Here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/12/) we can see the clone alive during the Oodama rasengan. Here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/16/), after Oodama has been completed, we can see the clone is dead.


Naruto's Oodama rasengan killed the clone.
Itachi canceled the jutsu after Oodama landed but before it killed the clone. Itachi does say the "chakra's cut off," but is it because the clone died or because he cut it off? He could have simply said "I canceled the jutsu" or something similar.
The jutsu ran out of chakra at that exact second
Itachi directed the clone to commit seppuku in a way we cannot see.
Yuura died of Natural causes on his own (heart attack, tumor, age, etc).

If the translation of the databook is correct, I think the 1st option is the most likely given the evidence. Although the 2nd seems close as well. Perhaps there are other options that I am not considering, like he stepped on a rusty nail and died from poisoning. You are free to come to your own conclusion.

[M3J]

It's been shown that a person doesn't have to be alive for reanimation jutsu or w/e to be used. Yuura could have already been dead for all we know, and Itachi was the one controlling Yuura.

[jdw]

It's been shown that a person doesn't have to be alive for reanimation jutsu or w/e to be used. Yuura could have already been dead for all we know, and Itachi was the one controlling Yuura.

That is a description of the jutsu that was used, and it uses a live body allocating chakra from Akatsuki members. I am not trying to be funny but did you even read the description or follow the link?

[Delbi]

I think the point of Naruto losing his innocence is basically he hasn't killed anyone that isn't already dead, going to die, or isn't straight up evil. Naruto isn't a shinobi IMO. He doesn't do anything like normal ninja do, he doesn't kill, he doesn't believe in the shinobi rules, he even tries to "save" his enemies. Naruto is the exact opposite of what a shinobi is.

Now, that isn't a bad thing, I mean it's obvious now that Kishi isn't going to make this manga more mature, he's keeping it kid friendly while letting appeal to an older crowd. I thought he was finally going to take the next step, and then he has Nagato turn into a good guy at the last second and bring everyone back to life.

In any event, Naruto is still very much innocent, he's yet to have to make sacrafices, and while a lot has been taken from him, his life turned out alright, and Nagato just gave him back a few things he lost. Fact is Naruto has yet to make a truly tough decsion until now, and even now he has yet to pay any consequences.

[M3J]

That is a description of the jutsu that was used, and it uses a live body allocating chakra from Akatsuki members. I am not trying to be funny but did you even read the description or follow the link?

No, I apologize. >_<

[vintagemistakes]

Naruto vs Hungry Pain rd1...

There are a ton of things that bugged me about Naruto vs Pain, but the way Naruto KO'd Hungry was insanely ridiculous[here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/)].

I mean, seriously Kishi... Naruto completely missing on a punch, but was still able to break his neck thanks to some hax... why? whats the point? Jiraiya kicked Human in the face and blinded him - so with a completed Sage Mode, why not just have Naruto land a punch and KO him?

It would of been so much easier;wouldn't of left a bunch of questions on the table when SM Naruto completely whiffs on a punch and doesn't kill someone later on...

[THM Nindo]

Makes Naruto and Sasuke actually kill people...
It's a effing ninja story... their job is a job of stealth and assassination...

So far... not to much stealth for Naruto... and no killing...
I'd like to see more of that!!

[Raizen]

Makes Naruto and Sasuke actually kill people...
It's a effing ninja story... their job is a job of stealth and assassination...

So far... not to much stealth for Naruto... and no killing...
I'd like to see more of that!!
Naruto is not a stealth kind of guy, u can tell that by looking at his orange suit
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Things I would change:
Sasuke get killed off and have itachi back. I like itachi
J-man is still alive along with Minato
The hokages 1-4's strength being shown rather than talk

[THM Nindo]

Naruto is not a stealth kind of guy, u can tell that by looking at his orange suit

I agree, but with his skill to makes Clones and Henge jutsu, he should at least try sometime. :tem

[Egoboo]

Naruto moments you would change:

Chapter 449

"Oh, so i was wrong about everything i believed in my entire life? Why thank you for pointing that out, Shinobi-i-first-met-an-hour-ago. I shall commit suicide now, kthxbye."

[M3J]

Naruto moments you would change:

Chapter 449

"Oh, so i was wrong about everything i believed in my entire life? Why thank you for pointing that out, Shinobi-i-first-met-an-hour-ago. I shall commit suicide now, kthxbye."

Actually, he believed what Naruto believed until Yahiko's death. Naruto just reminded him of his old beliefs, what Nagato used to be. Nagato adopted Yahiko's thinking after his death, not before. <_<

[Egoboo]

Actually, he believed what Naruto believed until Yahiko's death. Naruto just reminded him of his old beliefs, what Nagato used to be. Nagato adopted Yahiko's thinking after his death, not before. <_<

True, i was exaggerating; "half my life" would be more appropriate then "my whole life", i´d guess.
Still an awful long time to forge beliefs that shouldn´t be easy to crush completely, and thus still:


Chapter 449.

(Note: I´m purposefully not going into detail on this whole mess that led to said chapter and why i´d like to change it since that would most likely derail this thread via a tidal wave of counteropinions :) )

[axellover2]

Chapter 449..... Nagato's death.He shouldve lived.Wouldve made things more interesting.Kakashi couldve lived by saying he rested and regained some chakra back or something,but no revival.Keep Shizune and the fodder ninja DEAD.

Also Hinata wouldve been killed during that arc.More dramatic I say.

[Wrave Kurotsuchi]

Jiraiya being killed. I know it helped move the story, but they could have let him be mortally injured, and then die of his injuries after he is recovered and brought back to the village. It would have added so much emotion. I think even Kakashi would have shed a tear or two. We might have even gotten a JirTsu confirmation.

[Shika2608]

I hate when people are bringed back to life.
Even thought I liked Kakashi, its just lame when characters "come back."

[Pyrogunz]

i would completely rewrite the sasuke-deidara duel. it didn't last as long as it should have and deidara was one of the most intriguing characters at the time of death. it was a rather tacky fight and i would definitely include some more capabilities for deidara but also new jutsus for sasuke. you gotta say his one little trick is starting to perhaps get a little tedious.

I thought the fight lasted much longer than I expected it to. And they both used new jutsus - Deidara used his "stage 4" clay (can't quite remember off the top of my head) and Sasuke used his sharingan, used Manda, used his cursed seals and taijutsu in tandem, used hidden snake hands... used his kusanagi sword... yeah, Sasuke was pretty cool during the fight.

One thing I would change is Sasuke using snakes as wings. LOL

EDIT: Used his new chidori

[M3J]

I hate when people are bringed back to life.
Even thought I liked Kakashi, its just lame when characters "come back."

I agree.

[-Ren Boy-]

^^^^^^^^^^^^there is a thanks button for a reason

I would like the fact that gaara got brought back because all the over hosts got killed which is unfair :p

[adel123456789]

nagato dieing that way.
i would make naruto kill nagato then do THINGS to konan

[jdw]

I would undo the bottom right frame, it looks outrageously painful and Naruto looks like a hippie chump: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-454/page013.html

[shinobi]

this is not a fight related thing, but I would like if there was more focus on the konoha 11 reaction when they knew that naruto is the QB jinchuuriki.

[Drmke]

Nagato reviving all the people he killed in Konoha.

I almost cried when Kakashi died, but everyone just magically coming back was weak and cliche imo.

[ashher]

This is the place where you can prove you are better than kishi:D

Just say what you didn't like,and propose your alternative.

And the rest of us r gonna prove we r even better than you:p

Should be fun

[Drmke]

The ending to the Pain arc.

I know some people say well it showcased the main theme of the manga about ending the pain of the world and understanding and all that jazz, but I would have liked a more realistic tone. Even though its a Shonen manga, that doesn't mean it can't be a little realistic in some points.

I mean if Naruto had just killed Pain, then it would have been very hard on him and village because Naruto would have lost both his mentors, took a life, and had to deal with a completely annihilated village. Not to mention the whole Sasuke thing.

All of this would force Naruto to become a true ninja that has to deal with deal with losing people that are important to him and killing people. And he would also have to face the fact that you can't reason with some people. Talking doesn't help people that have been consumed with rage and thoughts of revenge. Sometimes, the best thing you can do for someone (and the safety of your friends and family) is to end their suffering by killing them.

This would also help him deal with his Sasuke obsession.

Which all in all, would make his dream of becoming Hokage that much closer. He would have realized how harsh the ninja world can be, and at the same time, have an even stronger reason to try and bring peace to the world he lives in.

Well that's my two cents :p

[Banedor]

Ending to the Deidara vs Sasuke fight.

I know some would say Sasuke was superior and to an extent he was. But the fight felt rushed and hurt Deidara's story to an extent as he was the ultimately anti-sharingan and despised yet loathed Itachi similar to Sasuke.

The ending bothered me because Kishi did make a mistake with the Sasuke summoning Manda despite having no cahkra supposedly and no real consequences for doing so.

It was fitting that Deidara received his demise at the hands of a sharingan but I would have preferred the way in which Sasuke came out of the fight was a bit different as to settle down the Kishi love fest of Sasuke supposedly.

My alternative ending would have been for Sasuke to receive a significant hinderance after the fight for trying to summoning MNanda with no chakra. Because the timeline is obscured, we don't know how long it was after the manda summoning and him leaving to set out for itachi. I would have prefered an injury of some sort to exist even to now, for example Naruto severly injured his hand when he finished off kakuzu. I would have the electic charges he used on himself would have perhaps given him nerve damage as well similar to Naruto.

[ashher]

The ending to the Pain arc.

I know some people say well it showcased the main theme of the manga about ending the pain of the world and understanding and all that jazz, but I would have liked a more realistic tone. Even though its a Shonen manga, that doesn't mean it can't be a little realistic in some points.

I mean if Naruto had just killed Pain, then it would have been very hard on him and village because Naruto would have lost both his mentors, took a life, and had to deal with a completely annihilated village. Not to mention the whole Sasuke thing.

All of this would force Naruto to become a true ninja that has to deal with deal with losing people that are important to him and killing people. And he would also have to face the fact that you can't reason with some people. Talking doesn't help people that have been consumed with rage and thoughts of revenge. Sometimes, the best thing you can do for someone (and the safety of your friends and family) is to end their suffering by killing them.

This would also help him deal with his Sasuke obsession.

Which all in all, would make his dream of becoming Hokage that much closer. He would have realized how harsh the ninja world can be, and at the same time, have an even stronger reason to try and bring peace to the world he lives in.

Well that's my two cents :p

Yeah if I had to choose one thing that I would like change then it would have been the ending of pain arc.However its not for the points that you made.

First of all, I enjoyed this arc immensely mainly because that this had symbolism far greater than what one can expect from a shonen manga.I mean all the shonen mangas usually have some themes, and till Pain arc Naruto tottered on the verge being a theme-based literature (kinda like Walt Disney stories,but greater than them) and a symbolic literature (like Lord of Flies,but lesser than that).I think its the arc where Kishi finally achieved that symbolism (which was bit weakened by all those direct philosophical lines,after all a symbolic work shouldn't be direct)

From that perspective,Pain represented a way-of-thought,in other words,a philosophy which totally contradicts that of Naruto,except that both philosophies think that they are right and their way is the way to peace.And both these philosophies are present in our world(think Bush and Obama)

Now if you look at our world you'll see similar situations.Americans think they are right,Muslims think they are right.Now Pain converting to Naruto's ways was like all Americans starting thinking like Muslims or the vice versa.Which is just impossible(Mind you i've used americans and muslims in typical images which are faulted and used them only as examples.Nothing serious should be made out of this).

Now the way Kishi let Pain get converted was more than plausible,but i feel he could've as easily let Pain continue with his own beliefs and that would've been so much more interesting.In reality you can't change everyone to become part of one culture/philosophy,so the trick to peace should be learning how to co-exist peacefully with contradicting idealisms.How to do that exactly is a question that none yet had been able to answer fully,but avoiding that very question and just letting Pain repent seemed to be an easy way-out to me.

Well one can argue that there still villains like Madara to take that test of Naruto and Pain served as his first step towards understanding Jiraya's ideals,after all Pain's last words were warnings about obstacles to come .But i can't really imagine kishi can build up such settings again.It took him so much time and effort to create a Pain,I don't think he has got the time or scope for developing Madara like that.

So in my opinion,Kishi by letting Pain convert slipped an opportunity for achieving true literary greatness.

My alternative would've been a draw between Pain and Naruto ending in Pain's flight.It would've left open the scope for contunued interactions between these two characters,and the ideals they represent

[Drmke]

My alternative would've been a draw between Pain and Naruto ending in Pain's flight.It would've left open the scope for contunued interactions between these two characters,and the ideals they represent

But if Naruto just let Pain go and it ended in a draw, hhow could he go back to his village and face them knowing he let the man who destroyed their home and killed some many of the villagers?

Because in your situation, as in mine, Pain doesn't revive the people he killed because he only did that when he converted to Narutoism.

Repenting isn't the most original idea in any form of litereture, but it is more real, especailly in the world ninjas lived in. Though, honestly I don't expect many "real" themes when I read Naruto, much less any other Shonen manga.

[ashher]

But if Naruto just let Pain go and it ended in a draw, hhow could he go back to his village and face them knowing he let the man who destroyed their home and killed some many of the villagers?

Because in your situation, as in mine, Pain doesn't revive the people he killed because he only did that when he converted to Narutoism.

Repenting isn't the most original idea in any form of litereture, but it is more real, especailly in the world ninjas lived in. Though, honestly I don't expect many "real" themes when I read Naruto, much less any other Shonen manga.

No no,I didn't mean that kind of draw.
I meant real draw,when two comes out to be uneable to defeat one another.
Surely you felt that we haven't seen all Rinnegan can do.
I would've liked the fight to continue after Naruto's and Pain's futile attempts to convince each other,but only to be intervened by the konoha nins,specially team gai.So Pain would have no choice but to call quit for the time being.

Also I don't really get what you meant by not expecting real themes.For this series is already full of themes like loneliness(gaara), fatalism(neji),friendship(choji),rivalry(naruto) and also things like living for each other and passing down of beliefs from generation to generation.
What this lacked is symbolic presentation of philosophy,which is something greater than just themes. Of course I myself didn't expect anything of this caliber to come up,never would've imagined that I'll have to use words like philosophy or symbolism while discussing a shonen manga.But I feel Kishi managed to these things in Pain arc(just look at how many posts are there about what really should be the way to peace).But in the end he just wasted the opportunity to carry on and make it a real symbolic work.Because the moment he let Nagato convert, the symbolic aspects came to a close.

[juUnior]

About the ending of the Pain arc - I loved the whole arc, so I can't say that I like different 'alternatives' :p

About Deidara vs Sasuke fight - I know, it was somewhat silly from Kishi to give Sasuke summon of Manda caliber.. probably I would also change that part. <but all in all it's my best fight in part 2, so.. xd>

My only alternative which I thought back then when Gaara meet his end at the hands of Akatsuki extracting his bijuu, and then the "resurrection" thingy, would be like that:
- Shukaku is extracted from Gaara = Gaara died <serisously, how could Kishi done sth like that to Gaara? I know, I know, he still has his sand, but still.. until I see his new fight <which probably may happen.. or not> I will believe that better thing would be for Gaara to meet his end;
- Shukaku is half-extracted from Gaara = shinobi of Konoha comes to the rescue when the extraction is in progress and they interrupt the process. By doing so, Gaara is unconsious but lives, but his demon is "cut in half" <I don't know how to explain, but half of the bijuu was extracted xd>. The rest is the same, but Chiyo dies after the fight with Sasori due to lack of chakra xP Thing is, Gaara would still have half oh his bijuu.. Gaara would still have it.. but I do wonder: what would be the outcome of this? :p <yeah, my fanfic probably>
That's my 2 cents, if I would ever like to change sth in "Naruto" manga. Of course now I think about it what I wrote about the second option, and I'm still wondering what would it look like to REALLLy cut demon in half xP <haha>

[ashher]

I would go for gaara dying.

Just imagine,the boy we all kinda hated and respected at first as a tiop-notch psycho,then learned to love,and finally saw people in his country acknowledging after all these hard years....just die.All of a sudden.It would have been epically tragic,and would've caused us to really hate Akatsuki.

[Arctigor]

I don't like the fact that we know nothing about Kisame and his abilities. COME ON! We know him since itachi fought with kakashi. We know everything about itachi and his past and nothing about kisame. When he fought with team Gai he showed us only a few techs nothing special.

I hope we'll see the fight between kisame and killerbee soon enough then maybe we'll know his past or some powerful tech.

[mannenntihnmo]

I hope we'll see the fight between kisame and killerbee soon enough then maybe we'll know his past or some powerful tech.
why do you see such a fight coming? did i forget something?
But I have to agree, I'd also like to know something more about Kisame. Moreover, this mistery around the 4th Mizukage needs to be cleared up: Why was his Bijuu "alone" when captured by Akatsuki, how was he influenced and didn't Kisame talk to Madara about him being Mizukage?

Another thing I'd really like to change, is also the Pain fight:
Pain didn't really show all of his abilities and it was too easy to convert him. How could Pain even kill Jiraiya?
I thought of Pain as the ultimate villain with his Rinnegan; now Madara, Sasuke or the Kyuubi are the only "boss enemies" remaining.(OK, there's Kabutomaru, I think he'll still play his role, but not as a real strong villain.)

[En Yang Ji]

I would change...the revealing of Kabuto's intentions. Very lackluster imo. He's really not what he seemed. I would of liked him to be more like Madara, manipulating everyone and hiding his true power.

[Essence]

OK i know a lot of you at times felt they wish they could change certain things about the plot of the manga. Maybe it was something Kishi did you felt it was unsatifactory, or you felt it would could have been better. Maybe you felt the plot should have put more focus on the jhinchurikis, or Orochimaru should have live, or Danzou should never have the sharingan, or alter the mythology of naruto.

So if you could change anything about the plot what Would it be?

[TeAm#7FoReVer]

1- A little less of Sharingan. I like to see and know about it but with Danzo and his sharingarm, I feel like uh, that´s too much. Sasuke, Madara and Kakashi are enough.

2- Another clan´s history. Not just senju and uchiha.

3- Sasuke vs Killerbee should have never happened, it was his worst fight.

4- Kisame should capture Killerbee. This is the second time. :s

5- Itachi and Kisame alive, they were my favorite Akatsuki.

6-Danzou not being Hokage.

7- Less romantic chats unless they are very, very, very, very important.

[CTG05]

As much as I'd like to see more Itachi, he needed to die eventually. Kisame however got dealt a really shitty hand. Being one of the antagonist he needed to kick the bucket sooner or later as well, but after overpowering the "perfect" jinhurikii, he deserved a lot more than getting dumped by his sword/getting one shot-ed by Killer Bee and Raikage.

What else would I change...?

I would've liked to see Naruto actually kill Pain. To me that would make him relate to Sasuke a lot better if he had gotten his revenge and still felt empty than converting Pain to the church of Naruto with a few cute words. I dunno I guess that would've felt more real to me. Only other thing I can think of right now is making Tenten and Hinata non-existant. Like never even having them make it past the character development stage non-existant.

And no offense to the NaruxHina fans but I just don't see it happening. For god's sakes she confesses her love for him, nearly dies in the process, and when the fight is over and done with he doesn't for a second go over to her to clear the air with her or even thank her for her sacrifice. I seriously don't think Naruto could give less a shit about her at this point.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I would change the whole Part 2.

[Xiraiya]

The only thing I would really change is how relationships are handled, I'd make some of the sillier ones have depth and also not mess around with the fans so much with pairing possibilities.

[jdw]

I could probably go on for a while, so I will limit myself to 10 things:


Less sharingan, more Byakugan
For Nagato survive and help later
More information on Yondaime
More information on Senju
Less Sasuke, more Neji
More on Hashirama/Tobirama
Death of Juugo/Sugetsu at Summit
More jutsu for Naruto, incl Hiraishin
Show madara's face of just kill him
More on Naruto's heritage

[Hauradrims3]

Kisame...to finish his jutsu. Damnit!

[Destined_One]

I could probably go on for a while, so I will limit myself to 10 things:


Less sharingan, more Byakugan
For Nagato survive and help later
More information on Yondaime
More information on Senju
Less Sasuke, more Neji
More on Hashirama/Tobirama
Death of Juugo/Sugetsu at Summit
More jutsu for Naruto, incl Hiraishin
Show madara's face of just kill him
More on Naruto's heritage


I thinks there is still room for a lot of these things to happen, and many of them reside in my own wish list as well, especially the inclusion of Hiraishin amongst Naruto's arsenal. Imagining thousands of clones appearing and disappearing around the battlefield just appeals to the fanboy inside of me.

Though as much as I enjoyed the Rinnegan, I believe Kishimoto did the right thing by getting rid of it. Nagato abilities were beyond anything we have seen and thus were to overpowered to be allied with either Madara or Naruto. However I always like the Idea of giving Naruto Shinra Tensei, no matter how broken that might make him lol.

The biggest one I must agree on is Naruto's heritage, we know literally everything there is to know about Uchiha, but I think its time for Kishimoto to finally delve into the life of Namikaze Minato & Uzumaki Kushina. If there is to be a part 3, where Naruto is older, during the next ninja war, why not make a Minato Gaiden, in between, now that is something Id pay to read.

As for the story, I wouldn't change a thing. This is not because I believe Kishimoto has made a perfect story, but that its both the superb & frail moments which give a story like this its character. The cheesy outcomes, shonen cliches, mixed in with some awesome fight scenes, and truly inspirational moments, make Naruto, a Manga which for myself is just right. Are there things I didn't like? definitely, but there are more aspects which I appreciate more. For a story released weekly, it does enough to keep me satisfied. I for one don't expect this story to be as finely tuned as say a novel written by the likes of George Martin, Robert E Howard or the man himself Tolkein.

[Shiro-kun]

- That Pain/Nagato should of lived longer in the story , Akatsuki feels empty without Pain ...now that Akatsuki is becoming all about Madara's new pet Sasuke

I would of loved to see Nagato betray Madara personally as a Pain (obviously his goals differ from Madara) or as the Redeem Person (as Naruto ally..)

- Kisame should of not been killed off the way he was , Samehada betraying him was WTF he should of been killed with it ..since the Raikage was going to interfere anyways than we could saw him doubled team in his Samehada form

- LESS Sharingan , for god sakes .... and wth is with everyone super powerful villain relying on there eyes haha!

- Another villain , Orochimaru should not have been killed the way he was being absorbed by Sasuke and Soon after being sealed by Itachi's sword of Totsuka. I was hoping Orochimaru was stir the pot even more between Akatsuki and Konaha(and also perhaps other villages) until someone got rid of him . Than they will have a fight in which we can see what Oro was really made of than he could die .

- More about the Shinobi world , less about the Uchiha's ..

- Naruto's history and background explain more in-depth, like his childhood! it seems hard at this point....but his background such has his ancestry could be explain anytime

- Akatsuki Foundation , Pain has told everyone that he created Akatsuki only to be found out to be an mere underling of Madara

How did Pain/Nagato meet Madara?, how did Madara attract Nagato? but this can probably be explain in a databook

- Naruto should of been much more powerful than he was at the start of Part II , he should been at least equal to Kakashi than

But instead while stronger than he was in Part I , i had clean doubts that Naruto could handle a fight against a Akatsuki member without any back up..(imo any member of Akatsuki would of slaughtered Naruto ) Naruto should of learned more jutsu's by than " like what his elemental chakra was " instead we get a jutsu which is a variant of the rasengan.

IMO The Timeskip was utterly worthless for Naruto , Did Jiraiya teach him any jutsu? (LOOK AT YAHIKO and NAGATO!!!! they learned elemental jutsu !!!!) :facepalm

It took Jiraiya's death and Sage Mode for him become stronger , but right now even though i consider Sage mod awesome it seems to be a poor make up from kishi to get Naruto to same pace of how powerful Sasuke was becoming.

that is majority of the problems i see ...

[Kusachu]

Well, for once I would like there to be something straightforward that happens that isn't either weird crack shit like bringing a whole village of people back to life, or something that seems significant that isn't. I'm sort of tired of looking underneath the underneath of the underneath of the underneath.

i would like there be better female characters, and would it be too much to ask for to have a couple of awesome female worriors take part in the story as more than a love interest? Heck, even as a love interest!! Come on! What's wrong with these females?

I want Naruto to acknowledge how he was able to be raised not knowing anything about himself until the age of 12. It just doesn't seem possible to me. He should have had questions. And who the hell would have lied to him? It's hard for me to believe that Naruto is that much of an idiot, but it is apparently so.

Also, I would have liked to see the mental effect on Naruto the first time one of his clones was "killed" since he would then experience death as the wash of memory from the clone as it disbursed. Yet he has suffered multitudes of deathblows and hasn't so much as flinched. I always assumed that was the reason Kagebunshin was forbidden, because clones have their own memories that they pass to the original. Is it not logical to think that they might also pass on the memory of pain? Aparently not. So, why is it forbidden again?

[3c]

I wouldn't change to much to be honest. I still think most of the things I wish for will be put in later on.

What I would change though is make Naruto's growth in terms of strength more believable. I mean he went through an upgrade in what, a week at most? That's ridiculous for a main character in the story! Even Sasuke has better growth development. And Naruto's growth at the beginning of part 2 was just ridiculous. I would make him way more powerful, and balance it out throughout part 2. Thus making his Sage Mode upgrade not THAT big an upgrade. Because honestly, Naruto went from being an avarage ninja with a very powerful technique to top 3 in the whole ninja world with Sage Mode. That's fucking ridiculous.

I would also give Naruto more focus, though how I'm not sure as it's important to tell Sasuke's story, which Kishi is more or less done with at the moment, and that takes time. I guess I would have gone slower than Kishi and taken more time to develop Naruto in some way.

The last thing I would change, would be the pairing crap. Sakura's confession was beyond dissapointing. It was RIDICULOUS. I would also put a close on Hinata's confession. Either Naruto accepted it, or not. I wouldn't put the readers on the bench, because that's just so unrealistic. A girl confesses her love for a guy, and the guy just simply goes on? If something happened, it would be beyond crap to get it in flash backs.

Oh and most importantly (jk), I wouldn't have made Naruto's sage cloak get ripped into shreds.

[Shiro-kun]

Also, I would have liked to see the mental effect on Naruto the first time one of his clones was "killed" since he would then experience death as the wash of memory from the clone as it disbursed. Yet he has suffered multitudes of deathblows and hasn't so much as flinched. I always assumed that was the reason Kagebunshin was forbidden, because clones have their own memories that they pass to the original. Is it not logical to think that they might also pass on the memory of pain? Aparently not. So, why is it forbidden again?

Main reason why its forbidden is because its splits the chakra evenly between clones, it will be dangerous if one were create too many clones and inadequately end up drying up their chakra supply. The reason why Naruto can do this because of the Kyuubi ...

Although i must admit the part of Naruto learning everything and experiencing everything does bring up the issue of does he remember the pain every clone?

[Destined_One]

I wouldn't change to much to be honest. I still think most of the things I wish for will be put in later on.

What I would change though is make Naruto's growth in terms of strength more believable. I mean he went through an upgrade in what, a week at most? That's ridiculous for a main character in the story! Even Sasuke has better growth development. And Naruto's growth at the beginning of part 2 was just ridiculous. I would make him way more powerful, and balance it out throughout part 2. Thus making his Sage Mode upgrade not THAT big an upgrade. Because honestly, Naruto went from being an avarage ninja with a very powerful technique to top 3 in the whole ninja world with Sage Mode. That's fucking ridiculous.

I would also give Naruto more focus, though how I'm not sure as it's important to tell Sasuke's story, which Kishi is more or less done with at the moment, and that takes time. I guess I would have gone slower than Kishi and taken more time to develop Naruto in some way.

The last thing I would change, would be the pairing crap. Sakura's confession was beyond dissapointing. It was RIDICULOUS. I would also put a close on Hinata's confession. Either Naruto accepted it, or not. I wouldn't put the readers on the bench, because that's just so unrealistic. A girl confesses her love for a guy, and the guy just simply goes on? If something happened, it would be beyond crap to get it in flash backs.

Oh and most importantly (jk), I wouldn't have made Naruto's sage cloak get ripped into shreds.


I think the biggest problem with Naruto's growth was the way in which Kishimoto displayed it during the Kakuzu fight. Despite failing the first time, Naruto basically analysed his opponent and successfully found an opening. He literally achieved something Kakashi, Ino & Chouji were struggling to do. Then we see the sheer power of FRS, and we see a Ninja which has become more mature in battle, thinking and making use of his abilities. Kakashi then made the statement that he and Naruto are equals. Now that was fine, at that stage I had witnessed enough to believe that statement was plausible, but was waiting for conformation in a future battle. His only battle before a further power up was versus Madara, who we have seen make even Kage lvl nins look stupid. My point is, we never got to get use to Naruto as a Kakashi lvl ninja let alone someone comparable of Jiraiya, we were just supposed to take Kishimoto's word for it. So yea I think there was a progression from Elite Jonin to Kage lvl, Naruto just didn't have enough screen time to display it. In many ways it was exactly the same for the Naruto who returned after the timeskip, we were told he was stronger, but other than the Itachi fodder, which showcased the new and improved Rasengan, most of his battles had him using the Kyuubi straight away. In his base form Naruto was never totally outclassed, with his only short coming being caught in a genjutsu by Itachi, versus Deidara & Orochi, he didn't really do much before getting angry and going Kyuubi.

[Xiraiya]

The problem was, Naruto wasn't really much stronger when Part 2 started, I would have preferred if he practiced sage in the past but failed, that way it would have made his sage training a little smoother and believable later on.

I just don't like how Sasuke was so incredibly rounded out yet excelled in all area's, where as Naruto never grew in any area but like one or two.

"Basic" Naruto after sage training countered two potentially Jounin strength ninja's in a really good fashion that made Sai and Sakura look helpless.

THAT is the Naruto who should have walked into Konoha at the beginning of Shippuden.

[poobert]

tl;dr I would change most of part 2


I would have changed Orochimaru's role in part 2. In part 1, he was one of the best villains that I have encountered in a manga. He was absurdly strong, he had a legendary sword, absurdly evil and he actually thought things through. He took over the kazekageship in advance, manufactured an alliance between them and the sound and manipulated huge countries in to battle. He was a genius.

Then comes part 2 and Orochimaru was simply ignored. The great ending of part 1 with Sasuke walking in to the arms of Oro was destroyed. Oro didn't even feature until a year or so had gone and when he did, he was a useless stupid ninja who was completely screwed over by the sharingan (which is too powerful). His death was idiotic. It was basically Kishi saying "Oh shit! I forgot about Oro, let's just bring him back from the grave and then kill him off in 3 panels with this sword I just pulled out of my ass, which has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the story, but was just invented to kill him, and then it will disappear like it never existed".

Then come akatsuki, who are meant to be the peers of the great Orochimaru who walked in to Konoha and no one could do a damn thing. But they were played down. Madara mentioned something about how all of them were unique, they even specifically went after deidera, but why? The story just portrayed him as another reasonable ninja, who like Oro was haxed to death by the sharingan.

The great enemy that was pain was put aside for more sharingan action in the form of madara. Even the greatest rinnengan was dumped for the shraingan, not to mention Jiraya was basically snuffed for what was now a minor enemy. The entire second half of the part 2 is just kishi masturbating the sharingan.

[Sachsenhesse]

THAT is the Naruto who should have walked into Konoha at the beginning of Shippuden.

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The great enemy that was pain was put aside for more sharingan action in the form of madara. Even the greatest rinnengan was dumped for the shraingan, not to mention Jiraya was basically snuffed for what was now a minor enemy. The entire second half of the part 2 is just kishi masturbating the sharingan.

Just great, i have to agree.

But one thing which totally fucked me up too was the fight itachi vs sasuke... i expected more from that... and that many chapters + "kirin" + "susanoo" only for itachi letting sasuke win was too much.

[Gingitsune]

My #1 problem with this series is answers always come way too late in the story, we just don't care about them when they finally come out. For exemple, "that jutsu". In the beginning of part II, Jiraiya said "don't use that jutsu" (chapter 251, mars 2005). Next time we heard of it, was in the conversation between the scrool frog and Jiraiya, where Jiraiya said "I believe Minato meant Naruto to complete that jutsu" (chapter 370, september 2007). Two years and a half! After all that time must people concluded it was a mistake, Kishi meant "that power" instead of "that jutsu". :blink Too much suspense kill the interest!

Another example would be Yagura and Sanbi. We met Sanbi on chapter 317 (August 2006), then we had the picture of his jinchuuriki on chapter 420's title page (October 2008) and finally, his name and title of Mizukage is revealed on chapter 458 (August 2009). How can Kishi expect anyone beside us freaks to follow?

There also the cheap suspense that he does just for the sake of annoying us. What was the point to hide Yondaime's first name in the Kakashi Gaiden? None. There was no point to it. His family name, OK, but his first name, no. And why did we had to wait 367 chapters, 7 years, to get the confirmation he was Naruto father? No reason here either. ¬_¬

There is also the issue of the kunoichi. If Kishi don't care about them, he should refrein to put them in the story at all. Konan is Akatsuki's disgrace, Madara don't even care to kill her now she left the organisation. Kotetsu and Izumo have more screen time than Tenten. Tsunade is the only legendary sannin we haven't seen to fight on the second part. Sakura had a good introduction fight, but was pushed back in the shadows since. :blink

There's also Naruto's lack of improovement after the time skip. Sakura learned medicine and taijutsu, Sasuke learned sword skill and genjutsu, Naruto get nothing more than simple improovement on the basic which he could have learn with Iruka. -_- If Jiraiya and Naruto spent much of their time training with Kyuubi related stuff, only to be forced to trash it all after the four tails incident, just state it, Kishi! :darn

Another bad point, when Naruto went on training with Jiraiya, he knew the identity of two Akatsuki members, Kisame and Itachi. When he came back from training, he knew the identity of two Akatsuki members, Kisame and Itachi. Wouldn't the Akatsuki's identity be a vital information? Wasn't Jiraiya's mission to investigate on akatsuki while training Naruto? How comes most information his pupil finally get was from Orochimaru via Kabuto? :blink Naruto should have come back from the time skip knowing some basic information and the identity of the lesser members, Kisame, Itachi, Sasori, Deidara and Kakuzu. Not knowing on Hidan is fair, Kakuzu have killed quite a few of his partner and Hidan was new to Akatsuki. But for the rest, Naruto should have been able to confirm Sasori was a member of Akatsuki and that the explosion guy who took Gaara down was Deidara, a former shinobi from Iwa. It would have been reasonable that he learn about Zetsu, Konan and Pain from Orochimaru's book though, Jiraiya could have left Naruto to Kakashi's care to investigate on the upper three, more elusive members.

Another let down of the second part was too much Sasuke, not enough jinchuuriki. In the first arc, Chiyo tells us there are nine bijuu and Deidara tell us there already two jinchuuriki down beside Gaara. Jiraiya came to warn Godaime Gaara have been taken, I expected him to report whenever one of the jinchuuriki get caught, even if too late to do anything about it. I expected to see each of the five reminning jinchuuriki, if not fighting, at least some scene to establish their character and their reaction to Akatsuki's threat and their fellow jinchuuriki's downfall. We didn't even get that much. -_- I was also hoping Jiraiya or Tsunade would brief team Kakashi and us to the other jinchuuriki, who they are, in which village they are and which are still around. Or if it was too risky to tell this to Naruto, it could have get his moral down or could have made him try to save other jinchuuriki from rival villages, at least we could had secret meeting between Kakashi and the legendary sannin. :darn Plus, it would have made more sense for Naruto to stumble on Itachi and Sasuke while looking to make contact with Roushi than trying to capture Itachi to then lure Sasuke. ¬_¬

Instead, next time we saw Gedou Mazou after Shukaku's extraction, it had a fourth eye, meaning one of the jinchuuriki had fallen offscreen. Then Yugito we hardly get a glipse of, then Sanbi who didn't had a host, then Rôshi who we didn't know the name, nor the village. We have a zero-tail in the first movie, the first Shippuuden filler is about a near jinchuuriki, the second is about Sanbi, we learned more about 6 jinchuriki on nine in a databook and in an artbook than in the manga! An artbook for god sake! :blink Is Kishi the only one who don't get jinchuuriki were an interesting plot line? Or is he building pointless suspense again. ¬_¬

Then Sasuke. How comes he does two fights out of every three since he killed Orochimaru? The only ones who are not dead sick of him by now are the ultimate Sasuke fanboys. :darn Kishi should have made a longer Sasuke vs Oro fight, with Zetsu on the record, then make Deidara fight anybody else, like Kakashi, who's also a raiton and a sharingan user, it should be close enough to fit the bill. The fight Taka against Killer Bee shouldn't have taken place either, it should have been Kisame vs Bee from the start, even if the shark had to borrow Sasuke as an assistant to just sit and watch and be report by the Kumo shinobi as an Akatsuki to Konoha.

Another let down was Naruto learning to do fuuton. Hurray! We will finally get some new simple jutsu here and there to add variety to Naruto's poor jutsu pool. Well, too bad, Naruto doesn't deserve a new dimension to his jutsu, he'll stick to Fuuton RasenShuriken. -_-
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Back to the other jinchuuriki, it would have been great to just witness Jiraiya warning them. Can you imagine Jiraiya flirting with Yugito, having a drink with Bee, a meal with Roushi, looking over Sanbi flashbacking about Yagura, and having some interaction with the other one who was still alive in the beginning of part II (I bet on Han)? *sigh*

[poobert]

Then Sasuke. How comes he does two fights out of every three since he killed Orochimaru? The only ones who are not dead sick of him by now are the ultimate Sasuke fanboys. :darn Kishi should have made a longer Sasuke vs Oro fight

Yup yup. Oro is dumped in part 2 completely. After the huge build up he got in part 1, with the 4th even sacrificing himself to prevent Oro using his dreaded jutsu, he is given a short bout with the 4 tails followed by sharingan rape (twice).


Another let down was Naruto learning to do fuuton. Hurray! We will finally get some new simple jutsu here and there to add variety to Naruto's poor jutsu pool. Well, too bad, Naruto doesn't deserve a new dimension to his jutsu, he'll stick to Fuuton RasenShuriken.

Especially after kakashi said that after cutting the waterfall, you can use wind in battle (maybe like baki).

To me it was another unfulfilled hint of something that could have been cool, like "that jutsu" or Sakura.

[hakuthehedgehog]

If I was the author of this manga, I whould make Naruto learn Fuuton and FRS on the timeskip, with flashbacks of his training appearing when he used that technique.
Also, I whouldn't make Sakura cry all the time ever since she killed Sasori, and give Orochumari a decent death against Sasuke (Itachi failing to seal him was ok).
Also, I whould give Tsunade a chance of being badass.
With all this, I whould take some screentime on Sasuke, put the Madara storytime telling 1 episode short.
Lastly, Juugo and Suigetsu whould die at the Kage Summit, by the hands of Samurai. (and Mifune whould get the big ass sword)

[Mushashi]

the fact that sasuke is in the manga waaay to much. and it is so predictable kishi needs to do something unexpected.

[Askia32]

Simply Naruto being the main character again, keeping his confidence, humor, charisma, dedication, conviction, but being more mature in the process.

Also, ninja fights being more strategic and creative like in part 1 instead of super power spam like in part 2.

[Banedor]

I would just force Kishimoto to read part 1 of his own manga 100 times to realize what he needs to change.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

1. Naruto's growth is more consistant. When he returns from the timeskip, he easily qualifies as a Chunin and can lead a squad, for instance. Not only that, he's mastered some of Jiraiya's jutsus.

2. Sakura is less whiny, and to avoid romantic confusion, she doesn't 'flirt' with Naruto. Naruto also shows he's either fallen in love with her (feelings matured from a crush) or given up on romantic love with her, going for platonic.

3. Sasuke-WAAAAAYYYY less focus. Not only that, Naruto doesn't make him the only thing in his life to do, Naruto needs to realize if he can't bring him back a second time, it means he needs to aim on killing and stopping him so he can be mature.

4. Individual, full arcs for Team Gai, Team Kurenai, and Team Asuma. Show how much each Rookie has grown. Hell, a Jonin Exam Arc could probably handle that.

5. Focus on the Hyuga, make it part of the 'Big Three'-Uchiha, Senju, and Hyuga. Also resolve the Branch Family dilenma. We could have a civil war, with Hiashi, Hinata, and Hanabi leading the progressive side, and the Hyuga Elders leading the conservative side.

6. Show Pain working with Madara, but showing Pain as clearly the superior.

7. Give the Kunoichi chances to shine. Tsunade gets a fight, Sakura stops whining, Hinata shows her growth, Ino shows her growth, and Tenten shows her growth too.

8. A Jinchuuriki arc where Naruto meets the other surviving ones.

9. More information on the other countries and Kages.

10. Orochimaru falls in combat to someone of his equal-either Jiraiya, the Raikage, Onoki, or Mei (the Mizukage).

[Truefan21]

Naruto would come back with more justu other than rasengan and he would know about his father, honestly there was no real reason to hide it for so long. It was nonsense. Naruto would have some cntrol over the kyuubi even in two tails he barely had control he was attacking kakashi. What was the purpose of jiriaya training him if he had no form of control?

Sage mode would have already been known by jiraiya and naruto. It basically looked like an asspull, and it was mastered in a week by naruto that was just too unreal.

Kakashi and the rest of konoha would be dead. We spent 30 chapters on pain killing ninjas and for them just to be brought just kills the moment imo. It felt like a bad episode of one piece where no good guy dies.

The jinchuurikis would be expanded upon, part 2 was about them, they are just as important as the sharingan. Yet there were barely shown.

Neji would have a more prominent role, the byakugan is supposed to be a doujustu yet it was retconned out of existence. I thought with the raikage introduced neji would be focused on instead we got a fake hyuuga clan member AO

Can the women please do something useful (looking at sakura)? All the women in naruto are next to useless with ten ten being the worst. Tsunade who is a sannin has never been in an all out fight, all she did in pain's invasion was heal. It was important but she could have done more. Mizukage shown just to be owned by zetsu (though she got past the justu not the point)

Kishi can you please stop jacking off on sasuke and the sharingan. Sasuke has become the main character now, naruto is an after thought
Sasuke has made so many asspulls its a suprise he can sit down.
Recently, when he fought killerbee had barley control and then he rested and started to attack the kage summit and he started to spam amaterasu because hid hate is strong and on his second attempt he showed mastery that was BS and to make it worse he was able to pull out susanno for the first time and moments later he completed it and shi claimed he surpassed itachi and this is is second time using amaterasu. Susanoo was visible plot armor manifesting through sasuke. Kishi needs to make sasuke power ups more believable and less annoying.

I would focus on naruto and his parents and what happpened to kushina. What was minato like or kushina. Some may respond and say that he will look at it even but hello, the manga is called naruto, his past should be the most important one . However when kishi finally decides to focus on it, he will probably do it in a databook or if it is in the manga it will be an asspull. It also makes jiraiya and the third look like pathetic men who failed to take care of naruto. Also naruto's fixation on sasuke is getting annoying now. It started when he asked that girl to beat the shit out of him that was too much and now naruto has fainted because he may have to kill sasuke. What a pussy, even sakura has more balls on him. Its not like sasuke had shown naruto there was hope he even tried to kill him yet for some reason naruto is shocked that everyone wants his boyfriend dead , when it was common knowledge that missing ninjas are kiled on sight. So I would make naruto have a more realistic approach to peace he seems to think talking is the way to go.

The senju would be expanded upon, they were rivals to the uchihas yet we rarely hear about them. Tsunade who is the last one, should reveal the history to naruto its long over due.

The juubi nonsense would NEVER take place I remember that it was a prank on april fools that there was a monster in the moon and madara wanted it. I thought it was retarded but guess what it happened in naruto. Madara plans to do mugen tsukiyomi is quite retarded I am still hoping it is a lie.

Danzo would be a beast with the sharingan.
Danzo with sharingan on his arm was the stupidest thing ever. Come on its bad enough he had the sharingan but to have 6 on his hand is overkill. It has reached to a point where if you don't possess a sharingan you can't win a fight.

Naruto started out good and now it just sucks. I find it mildly entertaining.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

truefan, a lot of your points don't make sense and want to ignore things that are actually GOOD right now. Kakashi and the rest of Konoha (most of them survived anyway thanks to Tsunade) being alive is a GOOD thing.

[LittleMissNemesis]

More info on the other Jinchuuriki A lot of people have said this already and I agree with them. They didn't have to become major secondary characters like Gaara, but most of them fell anonymously to akatsuki offscreen. Some insight into their roles in their respective villages would've been very interesting.

Susanoo- I hate it. The first time it showed up I didn't like it and it's gotten worse. Whenever a new unbeatable superpower shows up, it's only a matter of time before someone beats it and something even crazier has to take its place, but where do you go from Susanoo? It's a goddamn enormous eyesore and pretty boring in a fight imo. I hope Itachi's gift to Naruto kills the damn thing. Before he got MS, I liked Sasuke fights, now it's all Susanoo, no cleverness.

More Neji- Neji is badass and interests me. I would've liked to have seen him elevated to a more relevant, important character after part 1.

Taka- should've been better developed earlier on. They're a crap team and never lived up to the little hype they had at their intro.

Sakura- Needed more badass moments after the save Gaara arc. She's the female lead and needed to develop further, in fighting skills and character, than she did. Has she trained at all? Any cool techniques we're unaware of? Who knows? Her character development has been stomped into the ground since the end of the Pain arc and I'm not sure why. It's like Kishi changed his mind about trying to make her likable.

Kunoichi... could they be a little useful, maybe? Other than Temari, who we've barely seen, Chiyo, and maybe the Mizukage, who seems potentially skilled, the kunoichi in Naruto are pretty weak.

Sakura came out of the Kankuro save and Sasori fight looking good and killed that big millipede during the invasion (schmeh) and then... got kicked in the stomach by some new minor character. That's it and she's the kunoichi w/ the most screentime. And this is all in part 2... part 1 she was barely more effective than TonTon.

Tsunade is the hokage and we've seen her do three things of note- fight a weakened Orochimaru (after getting smacked by Kabuto), revive Kakashi, Sasuke, and Lee and slug-heal people during the Pain invasion. Yeah, yeah, she'll probably wake up and do something significant (equivalent exchange no jutsu) before croaking, but still. She's clearly the weakest of the three Sannin, but that's a given in this series because she's the kunoichi of the group. The fact that she was initially a doctor with a crippling fear of blood was ridiculous.

Who else is there? Shizune- alright, Shizune seems competent. She's at least not afraid to get her hands dirty and is a smart, skilled medic. Hinata- minor character, has done one interesting thing ever (though it was significant) and has never landed a hit. She was willing to get killed during the Chuunin exam prelim fight w/ Neji so that Naruto would see her trying and failing. Kurenai - supposedly great at genjutsu... supposedly. She tried to do one thing ever (on screen) and failed. Actual significance- knocked up by Asuma. TenTen- another with supposed skills. Seems potentially hardcore, but how would we know? Ino- yeah...
and Konan! Konan is the greatest shame of all. She's in akatsuki only because her (boy)friend is in it and wasn't even worth killing after she left. Just went along w/ Nagato, even after he did a complete about face and seemed pretty nonplussed about the whole thing. Barely demonstrated any skills, didn't even kill anyone of note (iirc).


Itachi's death Seriously screwed Sasuke's character. I don't mean the 'truth' or the aftermath, I mean the fight to the death. He let Sasuke win? No he didn't- he just dropped dead after making it painfully obvious that Sasuke couldn't really win. Would've been a lot better if he did it with a sword in his chest- upped the guilt factor and everything. What was the point in fighting someone like this anyway? He died because he was sick, but untouchable in battle. Again, Susanoo is just tooooo hax.

Sasuke- should 1, have flat-out won a fight and 2, be more evil by now. Yes, trying to kidnap Bee and killing the nameless Samurai was a definite turn to worse villainy, but we needed something more personal and more graphic. I'm confident he'll get there soon, but if not... ugh. He looked so hardcore when he first showed up in part two, all chidori nagashi and creaming team 7 and standing in a field of defeated ninja. The actual payoff, other than parts of the Deidara and Itachi fights, has been a little disappointing.

Naruto should have more skills by now. Don't get me wrong- he's very strong and I like Sage Mode, but he needs some versatility. Maybe a hint of an affinity for a second element? Or more wind skills? What was he learning with Jiraiya? How to not break genjutsu? How to make rasengan bigger? He got handier w/ the KB, but come on- he was gone for over two years! He's gotten a lot smarter with time, but not enough so. He really hasn't thought to talk to the Kyuubi about Madara or ask anyone about his father or mother? Really?

[jdw]

More info on the other Jinchuuriki A lot of people have said this already and I agree with them. They didn't have to become major secondary characters like Gaara, but most of them fell anonymously to akatsuki offscreen. Some insight into their roles in their respective villages would've been very interesting.

Susanoo- I hate it. The first time it showed up I didn't like it and it's gotten worse. Whenever a new unbeatable superpower shows up, it's only a matter of time before someone beats it and something even crazier has to take its place, but where do you go from Susanoo? It's a goddamn enormous eyesore and pretty boring in a fight imo. I hope Itachi's gift to Naruto kills the damn thing. Before he got MS, I liked Sasuke fights, now it's all Susanoo, no cleverness.

More Neji- Neji is badass and interests me. I would've liked to have seen him elevated to a more relevant, important character after part 1.

Taka- should've been better developed earlier on. They're a crap team and never lived up to the little hype they had at their intro.

Sakura- Needed more badass moments after the save Gaara arc. She's the female lead and needed to develop further, in fighting skills and character, than she did. Has she trained at all? Any cool techniques we're unaware of? Who knows? Her character development has been stomped into the ground since the end of the Pain arc and I'm not sure why. It's like Kishi changed his mind about trying to make her likable.

Kunoichi... could they be a little useful, maybe? Other than Temari, who we've barely seen, Chiyo, and maybe the Mizukage, who seems potentially skilled, the kunoichi in Naruto are pretty weak.

Sakura came out of the Kankuro save and Sasori fight looking good and killed that big millipede during the invasion (schmeh) and then... got kicked in the stomach by some new minor character. That's it and she's the kunoichi w/ the most screentime. And this is all in part 2... part 1 she was barely more effective than TonTon.

Tsunade is the hokage and we've seen her do three things of note- fight a weakened Orochimaru (after getting smacked by Kabuto), revive Kakashi, Sasuke, and Lee and slug-heal people during the Pain invasion. Yeah, yeah, she'll probably wake up and do something significant (equivalent exchange no jutsu) before croaking, but still. She's clearly the weakest of the three Sannin, but that's a given in this series because she's the kunoichi of the group. The fact that she was initially a doctor with a crippling fear of blood was ridiculous.

Who else is there? Shizune- alright, Shizune seems competent. She's at least not afraid to get her hands dirty and is a smart, skilled medic. Hinata- minor character, has done one interesting thing ever (though it was significant) and has never landed a hit. She was willing to get killed during the Chuunin exam prelim fight w/ Neji so that Naruto would see her trying and failing. Kurenai - supposedly great at genjutsu... supposedly. She tried to do one thing ever (on screen) and failed. Actual significance- knocked up by Asuma. TenTen- another with supposed skills. Seems potentially hardcore, but how would we know? Ino- yeah...
and Konan! Konan is the greatest shame of all. She's in akatsuki only because her (boy)friend is in it and wasn't even worth killing after she left. Just went along w/ Nagato, even after he did a complete about face and seemed pretty nonplussed about the whole thing. Barely demonstrated any skills, didn't even kill anyone of note (iirc).


Itachi's death Seriously screwed Sasuke's character. I don't mean the 'truth' or the aftermath, I mean the fight to the death. He let Sasuke win? No he didn't- he just dropped dead after making it painfully obvious that Sasuke couldn't really win. Would've been a lot better if he did it with a sword in his chest- upped the guilt factor and everything. What was the point in fighting someone like this anyway? He died because he was sick, but untouchable in battle. Again, Susanoo is just tooooo hax.

Sasuke- should 1, have flat-out won a fight and 2, be more evil by now. Yes, trying to kidnap Bee and killing the nameless Samurai was a definite turn to worse villainy, but we needed something more personal and more graphic. I'm confident he'll get there soon, but if not... ugh. He looked so hardcore when he first showed up in part two, all chidori nagashi and creaming team 7 and standing in a field of defeated ninja. The actual payoff, other than parts of the Deidara and Itachi fights, has been a little disappointing.

Naruto should have more skills by now. Don't get me wrong- he's very strong and I like Sage Mode, but he needs some versatility. Maybe a hint of an affinity for a second element? Or more wind skills? What was he learning with Jiraiya? How to not break genjutsu? How to make rasengan bigger? He got handier w/ the KB, but come on- he was gone for over two years! He's gotten a lot smarter with time, but not enough so. He really hasn't thought to talk to the Kyuubi about Madara or ask anyone about his father or mother? Really?

A pox upon you for hoping that Itachi's crow power directly affects the actual battle between Naruto & Sasuke :mad

Don't get me started about Shizune, she should have been the one person left for dead when Nagato did resurrection no jutsu. She is a useless lowlife snitch. I would have preferred for jumpy to get revived in her place.

As for Susanoo, I have no idea where you go from there. I guess the only thing left is to have an angel descend from heaven to provide protection for God himself.

[LittleMissNemesis]

A pox upon you for hoping that Itachi's crow power directly affects the actual battle between Naruto & Sasuke :mad


No, I want it done beforehand... soon even. I want both of those things out of the way before the real fight. Susanoo needs to go. I'm sick of it.

[CBlitz]

moar screentime for all the sidecharacters. Plot less sharingan focused. Otherwise, everything else is pretty good

[Truefan21]

truefan, a lot of your points don't make sense and want to ignore things that are actually GOOD right now. Kakashi and the rest of Konoha (most of them survived anyway thanks to Tsunade) being alive is a GOOD thing.

like what?

your interpretation of good is probably different from mine

a good thing please, it means no matter what happens no good guy can die

uh no it takes away the intensity of the moment to bring back everyone like that. they should be dead its like nothing happened it was awful thing to watch

i hope your not one of those person who thinks kishi does everything right
this year for naruto had more down than up imo

[vintagemistakes]

Hinata should have died - If Kishi was just planning on bringing everyone back to life than why not kill her? I mean, Pain killed everyone in his path yet somehow didn't kill her... I just don't get it.

Nagatos back story - It didn't do anything for me. When Jiraiya faced off against Konan, she said that he couldn't possibly understand the pain they went through. yet, when we got the backstory, it basically went like this: Nagatos parents were killed. Nagatos dog died. Nagato/Konan/Yahiko faced off against Hanzou with a legion behind them. Yahiko died. Where exactly was the heart wrenching pain that Jiraiya and subsequently the reader couldn't know about/understand?

Nagato wouldn't have red hair - no explanation needed.

More Gaidens - Kakashi Gaiden was awesome. We need more backstory told through actual chapters rather than through Madaras little history lessons.

[jdw]

Hinata should have died - If Kishi was just planning on bringing everyone back to life than why not kill her? I mean, Pain killed everyone in his path yet somehow didn't kill her... I just don't get it.

I think that it is possible that some of her words reached his heart and he didn't want to kill her (possibly thinking of Konan or something), and he made it look like he killed her to torment Naruto. When considered with the ultimate resurrection, it was possibly an early indication that there was still a caring heart beating inside Nagato's frail shell. This is my hope anyway.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

like what?

your interpretation of good is probably different from mine

a good thing please, it means no matter what happens no good guy can die

uh no it takes away the intensity of the moment to bring back everyone like that. they should be dead its like nothing happened it was awful thing to watch

i hope your not one of those person who thinks kishi does everything right
this year for naruto had more down than up imo
Its a good thing since Konoha is now in a good position to rebuild and hasn't lost its status as a Major Village. And what's the big deal? People did die, they were just brought back, like DBZ. And unlike DBZ, it can't happen again since the reset button died with Nagato. Trufan, you don't seem to understand these things.

And look above, I added things that I wanted changed Truefan. Don't presume to think I'm a Kishi fanboy.

[Truefan21]

Its a good thing since Konoha is now in a good position to rebuild and hasn't lost its status as a Major Village. And what's the big deal? People did die, they were just brought back, like DBZ. And unlike DBZ, it can't happen again since the reset button died with Nagato. Trufan, you don't seem to understand these things.

And look above, I added things that I wanted changed Truefan. Don't presume to think I'm a Kishi fanboy.

Its a big deal for me as a reader, I love realistic approaches and dark moments in a story, half of konoha ninja slaughtered was a dark moment for me. It was fantastic watching them all die. For everyone to be brought back ruined that dark moment for me, it felt like a disney movie. I would have loved for them to lose their status as retribution for the pain they caused through out history to persons like nagato. You do realize that anything is possible in naruto, tsunade may know such a technique like chiyo or a random guy might appear with a rinnegan transplant (a bit farfetched but you get the point)
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I think that it is possible that some of her words reached his heart and he didn't want to kill her (possibly thinking of Konan or something), and he made it look like he killed her to torment Naruto. When considered with the ultimate resurrection, it was possibly an early indication that there was still a caring heart beating inside Nagato's frail shell. This is my hope anyway.

I don't know, nagato mercilessly killed every man, woman and child who was connected to hanzo, even new born babies were not spared and he somehow he just can't kill a sixteen year old girl who opposes his goal, he also had no problem killing jiraiya his mentor for standing in his way http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/13/ http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/14/
I am pretty sure those mothers opposed pain when he was about to kill their children like naruto did. It felt like a fanservice moment for naruhina fans. Hinata should have been dead imo. But if that happened kishi would lose half his fans.

[Kusachu]

I agree. Hinata should have died. There is no reason why she had to magically be okay except for the sake of Naruto in his battle with Pain. It was fansevice and nothing more. It was even cheesier because Naruto KNEW that she wasn't dead because he went instantly into fox mode and then, after he comes out of it he's all, "Oh noes! Did *I* kill Hinata?!?" And all of Hinata's fans were all like, "See? He loves her!!"

And that in itself totally biffs the reason WHY Naruto went into fox mode in the first place. If he did it because Hinata was dead then woot, but instead of being like, oh shit I have to man up and save her, Naruto just watched as Pain (for some reason) didn't kill her like he should have, went into fox mode and almost killed her again, and then came out if it all worried about her and the rest of the village.

It was almost as if they wanted her not to be dead so that for some reason Naruto would not want to kill Nagato. I mean, if Hinata HAD died there, and Naruto knew it, would he have reacted differently toward Nagato? Would the book have been able to save him then?

It's a fine line that was danced around seemingly to preserve Naruto's innocence or something, which in my mind is a cop out of showing really terrible shit happen to someone other than an Uchiha.

[Epic_Rider]

The main thing that I would change is Naruto actually learning a few things over the time skip such as some of Jiraiya's toad summoning techniques, some general techniques, etc. I can't believe that over the time skip A veteran like Jiraiya didn't think to check Naruto's elemental affinity. I understand that Kishimoto wants us, the audience to personally see every new technique that Naruto learns, but still. A larger jutsu pool for Naruto would be good.

As for Pain reviving everyone, well that was a one-shot deal, that isn't going to happen again. if it did, then i would be mad. But since the characters that were revived were some of my favourites so it's OK. As for Sasuke, I'm pretty ambivalent on his character but the Orochimaru fight was really just a way to get rid of Orochimaru, to make way for Danzo, Akatsuki and Madara. Kishimoto could have given Orichimaru some more use though. As for Deidara, perhaps that fight was unnecessary but it was IMO except perhaps for the bit at the end one of the best fights in the show, with good strategies and techniques from both parties. the Itachi vs Sasuke fight was always going to happen, and it was good so I don't mind it. I personally saw the Kirabi fight as a way to show readers that Sasuke was in fact not invincible since he got his ass kicked pretty bad there and even when he thought he had won, he was in fact being played. Same with Five Kages, if Madara hadn't appeared he would have died for sure. In the end Sasuke is just good for some interesting fights, nothing more.

A look at the other Jinchuuriki would be nice as well, it's true that perhaps he didn't want to introduce characters that would be killed off anyways but still perhaps a Gaiden of them would be good. More focus on the other villages as well if only for comperative purposes with Konoha. We saw a bit with Five Kages arc but more would be good.

Also A Gaiden of Madara vs Hashirama, I'd love to see that.

[juUnior]

I thought that I answered sth like that, so if anybody interested, it's in this topic, which I find very similar to this one:
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20423

[aliasxn]

I'd remove Sasuke from the story. I'd enjoy this show a hell of a lot more if he didn't exist... Naruto wouldn't be so queer, Sakura wouldn't annoy me as much, and maybe then Kishimoto would actually make an effort to develop the other characters.

[zagorka]

Remove the Naruto is destined child theme and the theme of peace entirely. It's been destroying the manga ever since it was introduced.

And to have ended the Uchiha/Sasuke side story 180 chapters ago.

[kthy0056]

I would change the Mangaka.

Seriously, I'm reading Naruto now just in order to see how ridiculous it can become. Kishimoto, please finish this soon, you're killing me :(.

[ashher]

nothing.

simply because i can't find any other better options to take at any major point.
well to tell the truth i would've liked 1 minor change:that is Gaara staying dead.however recently he is becoming interestin again but i am torn

i read through the suggestions and while some of them seemed good,like giving byakugan importance,they would've essentially changed the whole thing.i don't want that.sure in a fantasy world as nicely set up as naruto a lot of interesting materials could be picked up to spun tales around them and they could all be good(like great Tolkein did with the world of Lord of the Rings),but that does not mean the current one is bad.

and then again there are some suggestions like Hinata dying and Nagato living,but i think there has been enough reason to take the ops that kishi chose.

as an example lets consider nagato.for what nagato did to all,he deserved punishment.And naruto handed him the greatest punishment that a man can have,that is remorse.he regretted what he did,and he couldn't bear to add more to the list of his crime.that is why he revived all at the expense of his life.

there has not a single panel that truly shows his regret,but his action shows it.it seems that unlike Chiyo he could revive ppl even without sacrificing his own life...so what happened there,he essentially put so much effort in it that he totally ran out of his chakra/stamina.i mean,he could've revived half and lessen his crime and live to co-operate.but he just couldn't bear it.

that was his punishment and it was necessary.

however if truth be told,i was also for letting nagato to live and that without getting converted,because i liked the philosophy that nagato represented was a strong counter against naruto's.However now i see that though nagato is no more,his ideals,cynicism and philosophy and the circumstances under which that type of thought was born continues even more strongly and even more logically.so i don't complain about this anymore.
[hr]

I would change the Mangaka.

Seriously, I'm reading Naruto now just in order to see how ridiculous it can become. Kishimoto, please finish this soon, you're killing me :(.

that's what this thread is for i suppose.
why don't you show how you could've made better choices??
[hr]

Remove the Naruto is destined child theme and the theme of peace entirely. It's been destroying the manga ever since it was introduced.

And to have ended the Uchiha/Sasuke side story 180 chapters ago.

hmmm....then i wonder what would've left in naruto?!

i think you don't really want to read this manga if you don't want to read about these.........so why don't you pick another one??ever heard of One Piece.....a manga with so interesting fights after fights,with no philosophical depth,and no character going through any changes?that might make a good read for you.
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Nagatos back story - It didn't do anything for me. When Jiraiya faced off against Konan, she said that he couldn't possibly understand the pain they went through. yet, when we got the backstory, it basically went like this: Nagatos parents were killed. Nagatos dog died. Nagato/Konan/Yahiko faced off against Hanzou with a legion behind them. Yahiko died. Where exactly was the heart wrenching pain that Jiraiya and subsequently the reader couldn't know about/understand?


i think its because Jiraiya could never really understood the pain.None can,the best they can do is sympathize,but they can't feel the same thing.

however everybody has got this same type of pain unique to each .in that sense they know of the same pain,however as Pain himself pointed,everyone feels that their pain is greater than others, and that's why they can never agree and can never see the points of others.(that was the basis of nagato's theory)

in case of Jiraiya,he would've sympathised with the pain of nagato,but what he would've truly felt was the pain that nagato would've caused to konoha.that's why he could've never felt the pain of nagato,and would've never understood/felt the same urge of avenging yahiko,which is but the manifestation of Pain's pain.

that's what was meant i think.

[Finale]

I would probably change the extent to which the sharigan is constantly used or pops up. I'm really get all shariganed out. Now nearly all the major villians have sharigans. If the sharigan is so powerful how in the world did the senju stand up to them? I would add in more weaknesses for the sharigan and stop ading all these abilites to it. I think Sasuke is at his most interesting when he is improvisng or doing other jutsu that dont involve his sharigan. Also since the Zabuza arc why hasnt anyone else used Mist or fog to counter the sharigan? The people that have been facing the sharigan the most act like they never took part in that battle.

[Kaiten]

I would also have less sharingan spam. Not a good sign when a mangaka spams a super power/item. Rumiko Takahashi did that after the Band of Seven Arc ended and Inuyasha quickly went down hill.

I would have ended the series already. 500 chapters is way to long for most manga, only a select few can handle 10+ of serialization.

Pain would be the last boss. Kishi clearly wanted two main villains, one for Naruto, one for Sasuke. But I would have rather seen Naruto's enemy as the last battle. It would have eased Sasuke's transition back to the light while letting the title character get the spotlight during the final arc.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

i will make sure itachi finish is job and completely
kill off all of the uchiha's including sasuke, then i will make him
commit suicide, so the uchiha's will be no more:onoz:bow
and for madara he will die without his whore sasuke........

[vintagemistakes]

I'm not as much tired or sick of the Sharingan spam as I am tired/sick of there being no ceiling to its abilities. It just seems that everytime it gets used... a new limit(power and ability wise) is set with it. I would much rather see a more creative use of its inherent abilities than a bigger badder new jutsu/ability coming from it every other fight.

And to be far... I'm also tired of Narutos KB hax. Anytime he has a problem or is in a dire situation, you know hes just going to whip it out.

[Askia32]

Lets see...

I would erase the peace theme. Like someone stated earlier, it has been killing the manga ever since it was mentioned.

I would erase MS and all its abilities, especially Susanoo. I think MS has been making fights extremely boring. Also, the sharingan is strong enough on its own.

I would of made Naruto learn the special KB training and 50% wind rasengan with Jiraiya during the time skip. And through some type of conversation, we would learn all about the elements and stuff.

I would of had Kakashi give Naruto a scroll from Minato that can only be opened by an Uzumaki. The scroll will have Hiraishin, and some wind jutsu's written on it. During the original fuuton rasengan training, Naruto would of learned some great wind jutsu's that he will actually use in combat, and make some good headway on Hiraishin(not usable till he finally understands and uses in combat after the summit).

Naruto would have inquired about his heritage instead of some of the occasions where he is obsessing over Sasuke.

I would of had more villains shown, and more villains hinted about who are very powerful through skill and technique, not by immortality, monster transformations, or hax eyes.

Sasuke would have never killed anyone, and the end of part 2 would be Naruto defeating Sasuke with both of them going all out. Than there would be a time skip where Naruto, Sasuke, Lee, Shino, and Ino would all be anbu. Sakura would be a special jounin, and Shika would be a Jounin, and Kakashi as the hokage who figured out a solution to his stamina problem with the sharingan.

Women would be better developed, and shown to be stronger than they are.

Sakura would of began using gengutsu by now, and after the time skip became a master of it.

Hinata would of created a new technique related to the Byakugan, and she would of made an effort when Naruto and Yamato tried to capture Kabuto.

Ino would never of been a Sasuke fan girl. There rivalry would of been brewed simply from there competitiveness in the ninja academy. Also, it would of been hinted that Ino has the ability to take the powers of the Yamanaka clan further than anyone else ever could.

[kthy0056]

why don't you show how you could've made better choices??
I wouldn't, not at least without changing too many things. I don't think that Naruto has one or two issues little in it. I'm not a particular fan of mangas, but I think that this one we're both reading is fitting to any typical shounen series. Changing it means changing the entire point of the comic.

Like making Need For Speed an FPS game. :amuse

What I though back then, when I started reading Naruto, that Kishimoto based his comics on some rules, some laws, he was going into some sort of direction. That every piece of the puzzle fits nicely.
That's not the case anymore. An arm full of sharingans, Kisame fusing with his sword, sword leaving its former master, Sasuke miraculously healed by Zetsu and saved by Madara, Naruto miraculously saved by his Dad, Hinata and others saved by Nagato and so on. Kishimoto is not unpredictable anymore, but pure random. He takes characters out of his ass, jutsus out of his ass and so on.

That's why I want Naruto to end, for a change :). Because the mangaka is seriously overdoing it, Naruto is no longer different than Yu Ku Hakusho or how the heck it was called (when the main character was shooting magic stuff of his hand, like a gun :blink), or Bleach or DBZ. Maybe I was not aware of its immaturity long before this ...

[naruto-niichan]

That's why I want Naruto to end, for a change :). Because the mangaka is seriously overdoing it, Naruto is no longer different than Yu Ku Hakusho or how the heck it was called (when the main character was shooting magic stuff of his hand, like a gun :blink), or Bleach or DBZ. Maybe I was not aware of its immaturity long before this ...

Then please stop reading it ;) It's nothing against you but I do not like people who say a Manga should end although they read the manga. Just quit reading the manga and there's nothing to worry about for you :amuse

Let's see... Naruto should have more jutsus, him only using Rasengan, KB and Sennin Mode is lame somehow and that's the only thing I'm disappointed at. (please Kishi, give him some more jutsu!) Ok Sakura should love Naruto, Sasuke should not have gone crazy and Kisame should not have died the pathetic way he did :darn but I can live with that and I'm sure Kishi will bring everything to a good end :p

[SketchyPhoenix]

Then please stop reading it ;) It's nothing against you but I do not like people who say a Manga should end although they read the manga. Just quit reading the manga and there's nothing to worry about for you :amuse
I'll touch down on thought complexity for a moment then get to my ideas. People want to see an ending for closure. I want to see it end. Everything is getting predictable, plot elements are being overused and borderline retconned, and it doesn't really reflect the aging audience that's been following the story at all and now it's more akin to sheep who'll read Bleach with a Naruto logo because they don't think on what they're reading. Fan feedback does influence a work in progress.

If anything, fans help keep a manga from being too redundant, which makes your comment overall a stark disrespect to all fans of the series, especially those with a differing opinion.

As far as what I would like to have changed would have been the entire Nagato/Naruto exchange at the end of the battle at Konoha. A 40 something year old's ideology gets reversed by an adolescent with a more unrealistic goal? I read that thinking "lol k"

[ashher]

Pain would be the last boss. Kishi clearly wanted two main villains, one for Naruto, one for Sasuke. But I would have rather seen Naruto's enemy as the last battle. It would have eased Sasuke's transition back to the light while letting the title character get the spotlight during the final arc.

really,i always thought sasuke is gonna be the last villain of naruto.

i am kinda expecting sasuke to divide the shinobi world.

i've found 2 things that i would've done:

1.Portray sakura's family and perhaps neji's mother.
in an interview, kishimoto sensei said that he didn't bother much with sakura's childhood because it was a normal one.but i think that was a wasted chance to show what is normal in konohagakura.
but i suppose manga readers in general don't prefer that type of things.

2.madara deals with his plan in a better way.he was doing fine till his big announcement in kage meeting.as i've said over and over again,by doing that he actually made that alliance possible,which surely isn't something i wanted to see done by anyone else except naruto.(though from another point of view,madara had his reasons for announcing that,it in a sense helps him to really get to the last jinchurrikies,but i don't like this other effect it had)

still i am keeping my hope for sasuke.maybe he will manage to become 10tails jinchuriki and gain some brain as well.so will threaten other villages to support him and make them attack konoha.i mean they don't have much love for konoha in the 1st place.so that will truly mean the whole shinobi world will get divided and all the ancient hatred and grudges will come into full force collision.

about sharingan and how to make fights more exciting,well, i've lost my taste for fights long ago.i am only interested about 2 things about fights:
1.if its good looking(veritas)
2.if there is some planning put into it(naruto).

as far as i've seen,even though mega powers have been sprouting from everywhere in naruto,even then planning is still playing a major part.

anyways i don't care about fights as long as the characters and their interactions interest me.

[naruto-niichan]

If anything, fans help keep a manga from being too redundant, which makes your comment overall a stark disrespect to all fans of the series, especially those with a differing opinion.

that was nothing against the fans of Naruto my friend ;) but when you want the manga to end and say that nearly everything is going wrong in the manga, you are not a fan anymore.
A Fan would like the manga, although it has some mistakes (like everything, nothing is perfect). A friend of mine has stoped reading Bleach because he gots "angry" every new chapter and yeah... that's it. If you do not have fun reading it, than it's no use to read anymore :(

(sorry for offtopic)

[zagorka]

Oh and I would also remove the Jyuubi, entirely. It has reduced the importance of the other bijuu and the jinchuuriki as well.

[maaghms]

I would remove Sasuke from the face of this Earth the manga completely. :cool:

Did anybody notice that Kishi did not intend to put Sasuke as a character in the manga?

Oh wait, that wouldn't work because even if Sasuke has not been part and parcel of the manga, Kishi would have found Naruto another mancrush. :facepalm

Seriously, jokings aside, I would have gotten rid of most of the Sharingan in the manga. If the chakra in the brain can be manipulated, why bother making illusions? Just give the opponent a (chakra) shock to the brain. Fight over in 2 seconds. End of story.

[benelori]

^^Imagine what would happen if the whole clan was alive...

I would take out Jyuubi...I know he doesn't exist, but IMO it shouldn't exist even in idea...I wanted madara to be final villain, somehow with sasuke, a sort of love triangle with the kyuubi as the bitch...it seems kishi chose sasuke ,so probably the jyuubi won't be resurrected...anyhow I don't like the idea of the jyuubi at all...it was the only time I was disappointed, big time in the manga, but heck I got over easily cuz since then there was nobody mentioning it

[kthy0056]

I don't know, maybe I'm reading the wrong manga. It/He/She is still not "decided" as the main villain. As far as I remember, Jyuubi was more likely the goal Madara is attending too rather that the enemy plotting.

It's like saying that Sasuke was the main villain part 1 because Orochimaru wanted his body.

[Googlez_kun]

Leave the time skip away completely.

[Truefan21]

naruto hyperventaliting over sasuke
it was just downright ridiculous

[CBlitz]

I'd try to make the story more diverse by focusing on the entire Konoha 12 than just Naruto and Sasuke. Probably remove all that Moon's Eye nonsense and turn Madara into a villain who does things for the lulz. I'd probably keep Sasuke as a sociopath because he's pretty interesting when he does stupid things. Oh and Sakura would probably be more important to the main plot than just sitting on the sidelines.

[Kusachu]

I would actually like to see more day to day interaction rather than all this running from fight to fight stuff. I know it's not that kind of manga, but stuff like Sakura trying to befriend Sai and Sai trying to learn how to be a friend I thought was really cool. It was lighthearted and funny. I sort of miss that recently. Everything is so heavy all the time now...

[Googlez_kun]

I'd try to make the story more diverse by focusing on the entire Konoha 12 than just Naruto and Sasuke. Probably remove all that Moon's Eye nonsense and turn Madara into a villain who does things for the lulz. I'd probably keep Sasuke as a sociopath because he's pretty interesting when he does stupid things. Oh and Sakura would probably be more important to the main plot than just sitting on the sidelines.

Part I was concentrating on all of them and it was great,but you know,there was this epic fail,also called time skip.-_-;

[Arashi+Ame]

I want that jiraya is the one who defeat orochimaru in a great fight like the naruto's sasuke's fight at the valley of end.

in his fight against naruto I hoped that tendou 'll show more than he show and make the fight more intens even if naruto control the senjutsu.

I hoped that naruto will stay stronger than sasuke for more time koz just after control senjutsu naruto was stronger than him but 02 chapter after we' ve see the inverse

I hoped that iruka'll have more part and more action koz he's the 1st person who accept naruto kike he is.

I wish that in their fight the sannin was able to use their full abilities and fight for more long time but that mean that orochimaru's hands aren't injured who change completely the story .

I wanna see the result of hinata's love declaration who came from her heart (not like sakura's).

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[Kaiten]

Did anybody notice that Kishi did not intend to put Sasuke as a character in the manga?

The editor suggested adding a friend/rival. It was a great idea that added a lot of depth. Sasuke was not in the pilot, everyone should read it, it's god awful and will make you appreciate how well things turned out.

I wish Kishi had not turned Itachi into a good guy. He should have been left a fratricidal maniac who slaughtered his clan, was employed by an evil organization, bullied every ninja he came into contact with, attempted to harvest the kyuubi from Naruto and left his brother alive to harvest his eyes. Why go to all the trouble of awkwardly justifying all of those sins to make him a tragic figure? Especially when he was such a great character to begin with. The worst part is Kishi seems to have planned this. There are so many hints Itachi was not as bad as he seemed.

[SuperSaiyaMan]

Leave the time skip away completely.
So you don't want the Rookies to grow up. So you don't want things to become more complex? I may not like everything post-Timeskip, but that's not the core of the problem.

[Googlez_kun]

So you don't want the Rookies to grow up. So you don't want things to become more complex? I may not like everything post-Timeskip, but that's not the core of the problem.

have you seen them grow up and mature?have you seen any mentionable results?no
we could've seen the character grow bigger and mature in different adventures
Kishi could make small time skips like for a month or for some weeks (like in Death Note) and make the story more complex slowly
it was just a cheap way of skipping a lot of work for him,because he is a lazy bum,he admitted this himself

[Xiraiya]

Things I would change or add.

- Change Timeskip to a gradual timeskip where Naruto ages over the course of the manga to become a total badass and completely respectable main character.

- Sasuke's story finish with the Itachi fight, perhaps them killing eachother off in an epic battle.

- Jiraiya would be the one to take out Orochimaru, or perhaps again they take out eachother, or simply have Jiraiya die by Orochimaru.

- Akatsuki leader turn out to be Minato (You know that's how Kishi intended it but changed his mind when everyone saw it coming, Why else hide the face for so long?)

- Manga Ends with the Battle of Naruto VS Akatsuki Leader/Minato inside the crater formally known as Konoha.

- Sakura ends up with Naruto in the end and perhaps the last thing Minato would see would be a vision of himself and Kushina in those two.


I'm just rattling random ideas off the top of my head haha.

[AlB]

have you seen them grow up and mature?have you seen any mentionable results?no
we could've seen the character grow bigger and mature in different adventures
Kishi could make small time skips like for a month or for some weeks (like in Death Note) and make the story more complex slowly
it was just a cheap way of skipping a lot of work for him,because he is a lazy bum,he admitted this himself

you are talking nonsense, sometimes you should not only look at pictures in manga but also read texts. and by the way in death note there was 6 year skip you dumb, yagami was 17 when he recieved death note and 23 when Mello starts making his moves LOL


I wouldn't kill Ero-sennin (though it was absolutely neccesary I still want him alive)
[hr]

Things I would change or add.

- Akatsuki leader turn out to be Minato (You know that's how Kishi intended it but changed his mind when everyone saw it coming, Why else hide the face for so long?)

- Sakura ends up with Naruto in the end and perhaps the last thing Minato would see would be a vision of himself and Kushina in those two.


I'm just rattling random ideas off the top of my head haha.

1st: Minato being leader of akatsuki would be dumb ( it's my personal opinion)

2nd: no insult intended....... SCREW you you narusaku jerk, naruhina 4ever and ever and ever..... XD

[Xiraiya]

1st: Minato being leader of akatsuki would be dumb ( it's my personal opinion)

2nd: no insult intended....... SCREW you you narusaku jerk, naruhina 4ever and ever and ever..... XD

I agree about Minato, but it seems like Pain wasn't the originally intended Akatsuki leader, I'm not sure how Kishi was going to explain it, I'm sure he had a good plot for it but I just can't see why else he'd hide the face so long.

And on the second thing, why are you lot such hardcore fanatics, you basically got what you wanted so don't be so defensive :eyeroll

[Googlez_kun]

I agree about Minato, but it seems like Pain wasn't the originally intended Akatsuki leader, I'm not sure how Kishi was going to explain it, I'm sure he had a good plot for it but I just can't see why else he'd hide the face so long.

And on the second thing, why are you lot such hardcore fanatics, you basically got what you wanted so don't be so defensive :eyeroll

Pain was originally intended,who else?
And what's the point of hiding a place for a long time?Because it makes the villain more interesting!


and one thing i would change is the confession of Hinata
Naruto should have said something in it,his feelings for her,or maybe that there are none,but to leave it just like that?meh...

one more thing:NARUHINA FTW!!:confetti

[AlB]

I agree about Minato, but it seems like Pain wasn't the originally intended Akatsuki leader, I'm not sure how Kishi was going to explain it, I'm sure he had a good plot for it but I just can't see why else he'd hide the face so long.

And on the second thing, why are you lot such hardcore fanatics, you basically got what you wanted so don't be so defensive :eyeroll

well, good point about hiding his face, but kishi may have done it just as Googlez_kun said: to make him misterious

well I never was into that pairing shit myself and I never liked hinata, but her confession made me her hardcore fan :P and you know I think at this point sakura pairing up with naruto will give her an image of nothing short of opportunist: first she was in love with the last legitimate member of elite clan and now that he is international insane criminal sakura pairing up with savior of the village and great prospect for kage's position would stir up reeeally bad thoughts about her . if she had coupled with naruto before pain's invasion it would seem quite natural, but now it is too damn late

[Finale]

Well one thing I would definately change is all the special eye techs of the Sharingan. Its gotten ridiculous. During the Kage summit all kind of awesome techs were used on Sasuke but did he bother to copy any of them? Granted we dont know for sure but why use Darui's lazer tech when you can spam Amatarasu? Its like going to a buffet but eating the same stuff.

[pimp naruto kun]

i would change naruto's bitch streak of begging and cryin and thinking of sasuke, i would change sakura's recent worthlessness and unfathamoble love of sasuke, i would change beginning of part two bitch naruto and short spam of kyuubi. i would probably change naruto having to use kage bunshin for at least normal rasengan. I think that kishi should actually give naruto wind jutsu's besides rasen shuriken . I would bring up naruto's heritage or possible kekkai genkai (hopefully this will be brought up in the future). Most of the things i would change deal with naruto becuase im tired of him using only rasengan and variations, kage bunshin, and sage mode (sage mode is awesome though im not tired f him using it im just mad that he mostly only gained rasengan variations from this) he's becoming like sasukes jutsu chidori variations, mangekyou.

[jdw]

I would change it so that Sakura had the balls to kunai Sasuke in the spine and put all this mess behind us. Onward.

[3c]

I would change it so that Sakura had the balls to kunai Sasuke in the spine and put all this mess behind us. Onward.

So you would seriously kill Sasuke off in such a manner? I would rather make Sakura actually attempt to kill him and go through with the attack, but failing because of Sasuke dodging or something. It would show that she has the resolve to go through with it and wouldn't waste all the major things she did. The way Kishi treated her basically made all of the stunts Sakura pulled mean nothing.

[Askia32]

I would of had Naruto go with Omoi and his sister to find Killerbee instead of going to beg the Raikage. Sakura would of left the village with her team in search for Sasuke w/o lying to Naruto. Kakashi would of again got the details from Sai and followed in pursuit. During Kakashi's pursuit, he would of ran in to Gaara and co, and would of got the details of the Kage Summit.

Naruto and Omoi would arrive just in time to tag team Kisame, with Omoi slicing off his head in a flashy fashion to finish him off. Immediately after this, Raikage appears and mentions Sasuke. Naruto asks about it and gets the details of what happened at the Kage Summit. Naruto pops in Sage mode, and catches Kakashi's chakra, splits from the cloud nin, and follows.

Than we catch up to current events, but instead of Sakura not stabbing Sasuke, she tries, and Sasuke dodges just enough to avoid his vitals, takes the kunai, and is about to kill Sakura till Naruto arrives.

In this version, we avoid Naruto begging like a scrub, and fainting like a fan girl at a Michael Jackson concert.

[blai]

I would let orochimaru kill off sasuke and take his body. fuck yarr

[hakuthehedgehog]

I whould make the MS so that it didn't give blindness, but using it at maximum 4 times in one battle made it impossible to use it for 3 days or so.
Also, it whould require lots of chakra building to use it, about 3-4 seconds.
I whould make Naruto's begging more accetable, like explaining the Raikage how Pain was created and how he was defeated etc.
Can't think of another thing to change, maybe not make Danzo be a cocky bastard and fight like a moron >.<

[3c]

I would of had Naruto go with Omoi and his sister to find Killerbee instead of going to beg the Raikage. Sakura would of left the village with her team in search for Sasuke w/o lying to Naruto. Kakashi would of again got the details from Sai and followed in pursuit. During Kakashi's pursuit, he would of ran in to Gaara and co, and would of got the details of the Kage Summit.

Naruto and Omoi would arrive just in time to tag team Kisame, with Omoi slicing off his head in a flashy fashion to finish him off. Immediately after this, Raikage appears and mentions Sasuke. Naruto asks about it and gets the details of what happened at the Kage Summit. Naruto pops in Sage mode, and catches Kakashi's chakra, splits from the cloud nin, and follows.

Than we catch up to current events, but instead of Sakura not stabbing Sasuke, she tries, and Sasuke dodges just enough to avoid his vitals, takes the kunai, and is about to kill Sakura till Naruto arrives.

In this version, we avoid Naruto begging like a scrub, and fainting like a fan girl at a Michael Jackson concert.


I like it. That would have been a great plot. The only thing you forgot was Madara's little chat with Kakashi and Naruto. Madara could possibly have intercepted Naruto and Team Samui. Kakashi really doesn't need the information at this point, he could learn of it later. And Naruto could confront Sasuke with the same information he has now. Other than that I like your plot. It would include more characters, build more bonds, avoid awkward happenings, avoid Sakura's crappy resolve and most importantly; Introduce Naruto to Bee. I think it would be cool if Naruto took care of Kisame though. It would make Raikage aknowledge his strength if he got there just in time to witness it.

[jdw]

So you would seriously kill Sasuke off in such a manner? I would rather make Sakura actually attempt to kill him and go through with the attack, but failing because of Sasuke dodging or something. It would show that she has the resolve to go through with it and wouldn't waste all the major things she did. The way Kishi treated her basically made all of the stunts Sakura pulled mean nothing.

Traitorous, murderous terrorists deserve death. So if Sasuke died like that I could live with it. Then the manga could move on to other things aide from Naruto's Sasuke obsession.

[Zatono]

Traitorous, murderous terrorists deserve death. So if Sasuke died like that I could live with it. Then the manga could move on to other things aide from Naruto's Sasuke obsession.

Yeah, but a behind the back kunai stab sucks. I want him to die via Rasenshuriken, Kamui to the face, or some other cool moves that will kill him.

[hakuthehedgehog]

Yeah, but a behind the back kunai stab sucks. I want him to die via Rasenshuriken, Kamui to the face, or some other cool moves that will kill him.

IMO, a person that uses "cool" and hax moves deserves to be killed by a simple kunai.
It's just a spit in the face and humiliation.

[CBlitz]

I'd have Naruto keep that damn cloak on at all times >__>

he wouldn't be nearly as battered if he actually wore the cloak and was constantly awesome

[Truefan21]

Make sakura a female lead for once.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

keep itachi as the cold hearted shinobi that slaughtered his clan to measure his power but does it under danzo and the elders orders to stop the uchida plans for a civil war.
instead of the asspull by sasuke at the end of the deidara, i would madara save him. and have the meeting between him and madara that took place after sasuke and itachi fought happen here. making it so madara starts to influence sasuke early on.
and have his fight with itachi be towards the end of the manga as his final fight before him and naruto eventually team up to fight madara.

[firework]

i would delete sakura, ino, hinata, and 1010 from the manga and make them all have 3 man cells. Probably change it so that either:

a. naruto rescued Sasuke when Itachi was about to steal his eye.
b. Sasuke rescued Naruto when he was captured and brought in by Pain. Then the two team up to escape from the Akatsuki hideout.

Also change the kakuzu fight, yugito fight, and kisame death. I would also delete the uchiha retcon.

god, what a terrible manga @.@

[jdw]

I'd show some more of the jinchuuriki being captured. Seriously. Maybe not full fights, but at least a small show of what they can do before they disappeared.

[Zatono]

I'd change it so that Itachi doesn't have his disease, and will use his full power to beat the shit out of Sasuke when they fight. After Sasuke loses, he'll tell Sasuke everything Madara said, and miraculously, Sasuke accepts it without doubt. Once they return to Konoha, Itachi explains what happened with the Elders backing him up, so he's free to live in Konoha again.

After this, once Pain goes to attack Konoha, Itachi can help take out God Realm before he nukes the place.

[Tengou]

I would make sure Naruto's arsenal of techniques would become just a little bit bigger and not focus so goddamned much on Sasuke, but that's not really a moment. And it's more wishful thinking than anything specific.

More explicitly, I would probably change Madara's master plan to something that isn't pants on head retarded.

[niblack89]

things I would change. There are a few
- I wouldn't make Naruto a chump after his bad ass fight with Pain, the ass whiping was bad ass but the bowing down to the Raikages feet unacceptable, the hyperventilating unacceptable.

-I don't like Sasuke's new boost in evil chakra when he faced Bee he could barely get off 3 AMs now he gets off 2 with multiple sasanoos. he also spams off chidori's like Naruto does resangan. before the time skips chidori's were only fired off during last resorts now with his chakra he fires them off for anything he fired one to finish karin off that was stoped by Sakura fired off another to kill sakura then fired another off to hit naruto but before that fired off a chidori sword to kill Danzo then a Sasunoo. the reason why his sasunoo died was because of his eyes not his chakra.

- I would also like to see more of what Itachi could do, he took out Oro easily but I dont think Jirayia would have been taken out quite as easily.

- speaking of that i would have like to know was Jirayia sage mode stronger than Oro.

- I would also have changed Sakuras breast size she is almost like Tsunade with smaller besats,

[chorns]

I would change the way either Gai or Lee looks, one Jun Fan look-a-like is enough imo.

[Ryr]

I would make Tobi a good boy.

[pjoto]

Gaara should have stayed a cold blooded crazy ass killer.
The series needs someone like that, and he was perfect. But oh nooooo, he HAD to be Narutorized.

[Kaiten]

Naruto has a crazy, cold blooded killer: Sasuke :)

[benelori]

I would bring Oro back...not on Kabuto

[everton]

I would like Naruto to have have been stronger coming back with jiraya, have more jutsus and learn more fuuton jutsus and master that. I also think he should have learned another element.

I think lee should learn a bit of doton :D
I also think pein should have been stronger, he didn't use any elements and taijutsu which was a bit of a bore

[jdw]

I would like Naruto to have have been stronger coming back with jiraya, have more jutsus and learn more fuuton jutsus and master that. I also think he should have learned another element.

I think lee should learn a bit of doton :D
I also think pein should have been stronger, he didn't use any elements and taijutsu which was a bit of a bore

I don't see the big deal about Pain not using elements. The difference between Pain's jutsu and elemental jutsu is like the difference between the sky and the ground below. His jutsu didn't have to worry about elemental advantages or disadvantages, they just dominated.

[Weapon_X]

I would like Naruto to have have been stronger coming back with jiraya, have more jutsus and learn more fuuton jutsus and master that. I also think he should have learned another element.

I think lee should learn a bit of doton :D
I also think pein should have been stronger, he didn't use any elements and taijutsu which was a bit of a bore

You would have made Pain stronger then he already is? The dude is like a DBZ character lol if you gave him elements then he could cause Tsunamis, massive earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, lightning strikes in all of the Narutoverse :p

I think Lee should get a weapon, like how Gai has those nun-chukas. But they've been fodderized, so no time for that. :/

[Shinomori Aoshi]

I wouldn't have Nagato commit suicide right after 'Narutorization', but stay alive and watch Naruto (and assist him) achieve his goal.

[Evil_Eyes]

I'd like it if Danzo Sama escaped the Sauce and went into hiding, instead of transforming into a fodder :(

[Bugzee]

For Jiraiya to live. :s

I would've preferred if Naruto didn't save Sakura from Sasuke at the end of ch. 484 :p therefore we would've witnessed Sakura's long awaited death. :shakefist

[Truefan21]

Itachi would still be an evil disgusting bastard who killed his family because he is a psycho. This itachi way more badass http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/02/ than the anti hero version

[Proxy]

Latest Chapter: Hinata following Naruto and then asking him what he's hiding and after a few panels of Naruto avoiding any revealing answers she gets pissed and slaps the shit out of Naruto, regrets it immediately, but before she says she's sorry, Naruto falls to his knees and surrenders to her awesomeness and tells her everything. (But no crying from Naruto) Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Hauradrims3]

Kisame...to finish his jutsu. Damnit!

He dint finish his jutsu...but hes ALIVE!! :D
TY KISHI!

[Zehahaha]

Hyperventilating Naruto... That's the only moment i want to change, because Naruto looks like lame on it