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WaveBossa
October 29, 2007, 07:39 PM
Ahhh! Don't kill me! This is not intended to be a flame war between the two titles. It's intended to be a comparison with what are, IMO, two of the best series on TV.

I got into naruto years and years ago (right when it came out) and immediately fell in love with the series. Although shippuuden has noto impressed in as much as the first series did, it is still held in high regard for good reason.

I recently bought avatar season 1 and 2 becuz a friend told me it was worth it, and he was dead on. Avatar, especially season 2, is nothing short of amazing. But the most amazing thing about it is how similar it is to naruto, especially shippuden.

I wont spoil anything for anime only people, but the recent manga chapters and the recent avatar episodes all point to the same thing, two amazing, similar stories.

Naruto = Possible predicted chosen one? Has a great demonic power that was incarnated inside of him, that he is learning to control. Becomes a monster when that power is activated, acting only on instincts. Wears Black, Orange. Uses ...... (can't spoil)
Aang = Chosen one to save the world. Has a great heroic power that was incarnated inside of him, that he is learning to control. Becomes a monster when that power is activated, acting only on instincts. Wears red, yellow, orange. Most adept with Air.

Sakura = Basic ninja + Legendary teacher = BA female warrior with healing abilities
Katara = Basic Bender + Great teacher = BA female bender with healing abilities

Gaara = Royalty, leads with power. Silent, independent, insanely powerful, uses the sand.
Tuf (is that how u spell it?) = Royalty, independent, insanely powerful. Uses the earth. Seems like she could easily grow up to be a Gaara type char.

Sasuke = A prodigy, but not as good as his sibling. Very independent. Has a singular motive in mind. Most prove something to himself. His life revolves solely around this purpose. Uses Fire!
Zuko = A hardworking type, but not as good as his sibling. Extremely independent. Has a singular motive in mind. Must prove something to himself. His life revolves solely around this purpose. Uses Fire!

Itachi = THE DEFINITION OF A PRODIGY. But there is a very dark side. Silent, malicious, motives hidden. Uses a technique to prolong the suffering of others. The bane of sasuke's existence
Azula = THE DEFINITION OF A PRODIGY. But there is a very sick, dark side. Openly malicious. Enjoys the suffering the of others. The bane of Zuko's existence.

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The whole purpose of this thread is to compare two of the best series out right now, not to bash, flame, and fuss over them (you can find many other threads online if u want to do that). So add your comparisons in every aspect of the show.

And if you haven't watched Avatar, I strongly reccomend doing so. If you haven't watched naruto... WTF R U doing? Watch 1-134 now!

Wind_NiN
October 30, 2007, 10:50 AM
When I first saw it, I was really suprised how Avatar wasn't an anime.

Hollow Kurono
October 30, 2007, 01:41 PM
Yeah dude better compare Naruto with DBZ or Bleach or something.

Qbanboi
October 30, 2007, 02:44 PM
Avatar vs Naruto? Hmmm.... well i do love both. But Naruto Kicks ass, altough what u say is right, there are some similaries maybe the creators of Avatar base on Naruto a little.

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kyubisharingan
October 30, 2007, 05:54 PM
either way u look at it, all(or most) anime or manga seemed to be related in the same way. but i do like both the series. besides, the classic story of the different elements have been used by other series

Suzaku
October 31, 2007, 06:23 AM
Ahhh! Don't kill me! This is not intended to be a flame war between the two titles. It's intended to be a comparison with what are, IMO, two of the best series on TV.

I got into naruto years and years ago (right when it came out) and immediately fell in love with the series. Although shippuuden has noto impressed in as much as the first series did, it is still held in high regard for good reason.

I recently bought avatar season 1 and 2 becuz a friend told me it was worth it, and he was dead on. Avatar, especially season 2, is nothing short of amazing. But the most amazing thing about it is how similar it is to naruto, especially shippuden.

I wont spoil anything for anime only people, but the recent manga chapters and the recent avatar episodes all point to the same thing, two amazing, similar stories.

Naruto = Possible predicted chosen one? Has a great demonic power that was incarnated inside of him, that he is learning to control. Becomes a monster when that power is activated, acting only on instincts. Wears Black, Orange. Uses ...... (can't spoil)
Aang = Chosen one to save the world. Has a great heroic power that was incarnated inside of him, that he is learning to control. Becomes a monster when that power is activated, acting only on instincts. Wears red, yellow, orange. Most adept with Air.

Sakura = Basic ninja + Legendary teacher = BA female warrior with healing abilities
Katara = Basic Bender + Great teacher = BA female bender with healing abilities

Gaara = Royalty, leads with power. Silent, independent, insanely powerful, uses the sand.
Tuf (is that how u spell it?) = Royalty, independent, insanely powerful. Uses the earth. Seems like she could easily grow up to be a Gaara type char.

Sasuke = A prodigy, but not as good as his sibling. Very independent. Has a singular motive in mind. Most prove something to himself. His life revolves solely around this purpose. Uses Fire!
Zuko = A hardworking type, but not as good as his sibling. Extremely independent. Has a singular motive in mind. Must prove something to himself. His life revolves solely around this purpose. Uses Fire!

Itachi = THE DEFINITION OF A PRODIGY. But there is a very dark side. Silent, malicious, motives hidden. Uses a technique to prolong the suffering of others. The bane of sasuke's existence
Azula = THE DEFINITION OF A PRODIGY. But there is a very sick, dark side. Openly malicious. Enjoys the suffering the of others. The bane of Zuko's existence.

Yeah. You can pretty much compare any two shounen series and find a lot of similarities.

Naruto is basically a standard trio-archetype shounen adventure series. You have the lead character who wears warm colors and has a boistorous personality. You have the female character that acts as a romantic interest and is usually brainy but not much of a fighter. And then you have the angsty rival who is usually cool and collected.

Vegetoacs
October 31, 2007, 07:54 AM
While i havent seen avatar in a while, i must admit you've made some pretty good comparisons...but as those above have said, they're similar because those components are essentially building blocks to any shonen based anime.

While naruto does share similar traits to dbz or bleach, for the same reasons highlighted above, i think wave is right to draw closer parralels here than those other two. Plus, DBZ is kind of like the father of the standard shonen format, so that mean's there are bound to be similarities.

I do however find it quirky that the characters you've highlighted the parralels between use the same elements though :P Nice work :)

uchihaj
October 31, 2007, 08:38 PM
I agree that you can pretty much say that with a lot, but with these two, another good comparison is Shikamaru and Sakka. Smart, avoids trouble if possible, makes plans, not known for strength, funny, under-rated.

WaveBossa
November 01, 2007, 04:37 PM
Avatar vs Naruto? Hmmm.... well i do love both. But Naruto Kicks ass, altough what u say is right, there are some similaries maybe the creators of Avatar base on Naruto a little.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. Both are arguably some of the greatest animated shows on television.


either way u look at it, all(or most) anime or manga seemed to be related in the same way. but i do like both the series. besides, the classic story of the different elements have been used by other series

Very true, but none this popular in america. Thats were avatar branches out, to the american audience who isn't too familar with too much anime


While naruto does share similar traits to dbz or bleach, for the same reasons highlighted above, i think wave is right to draw closer parralels here than those other two. Plus, DBZ is kind of like the father of the standard shonen format, so that mean's there are bound to be similarities.

Thanks, and i agree completely. One main reason why i can compare them this way is because they are both critiacally acclaimed, widely popular, targeted for the same age groups (roughly), and going on at the same time.

I agree that you can pretty much say that with a lot, but with these two, another good comparison is Shikamaru and Sakka. Smart, avoids trouble if possible, makes plans, not known for strength, funny, under-rated.

Wow, never even thought of that. Good comparison. I wonder if Sakka will ever get stronger?

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One that i have noticed over the years about America in general is it's ability to take something from another country, add its own syle, and in most cases, improve it. Avatar is no exception.

While in Japan, a manga is usually (not always) where most of the hardwork and dedication go, and the show (think 80+ eps) is just a representation of that (thats why u would never see fillers in mangas, and thats why mangas usually win awards, not shows).

But in America, it's different. Sure there are shows that go off american comic books, but the best ones are usually the ones thought out and directed by teams of people who seriously treat it like a movie.

Avatar has the most impressive voice cast, writters, and directors I have ever seen for a weekly cartoon. The show has won a freakin emmy!

I'm just happy that i discovered it, and even more happy that resembles my old favorite show so much. Now i have one more reason to look forward to fridays.
Avatar = Naruto of the West! Avatar + Nartuo + Bleach = 3 best shows out (IMO)


Oh, for any avatar fans that are wondering about season 4, it has been confirmed.
Man i can't wait to catch the next episode this friday

Alterno
November 02, 2007, 01:15 PM
I was surprised that Avatar wasn't an anime too and even more that it was a nickelodeon's production. Is pretty obvious that us (occidentals) have a real interest in asian culture. The authors avatar have confirmed the high influence of anime in their show. They seems to be fans for Hayao Miyazaki (me too), known for pop anime series of the 80's and 90's and lately for the great movie productions with which he used to come every year like: Howl's Moving Castle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mononoke), Princess Mononoke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mononoke), Spirited Away (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirited_Away).

And from Wikipedia:

Avatar also draws inspiration from the anime works of Shinichiro Watanabe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinichiro_Watanabe)'s Cowboy Bebop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_Bebop) and Samurai Champloo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai_Champloo), as well as FLCL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLCL) (Fooly Cooly) of Gainax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gainax). Other various studios from which inspiration was drawn include Studio 4°C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_4%C2%B0C), Production I.G. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_I.G.), and Studio Ghibli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli).[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_airbender#_note-25) Bryan has commented that some of his most cherished Watanabe fight scenes were the fight between Bebop's Spike Spiegel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Spiegel) and a drug smuggler in "Asteroid Blues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cowboy_Bebop_episodes)," as well as the duel between Mugen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Samurai_Champloo_characters#Mugen) and a blind female Jojutsu-user (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Samurai_Champloo_characters#Sara) in the Champloo episode "Elegy of Entrapment (Verse 2) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Samurai_Champloo_episodes_13-26)." Avatar director Giancarlo Volpe also claims the staff "were all ordered to buy Fooly Cooly and watch every single episode of it.

My turn:

Avatar is a good show, but compared to Naruto or most of the anime series it has a long way to go. We'll have to wait if Avatar will have an end or if they are going to overstrech it like is generally done with most of the cartoons.

Dynamic Dragon
November 04, 2007, 04:03 AM
anime or cartoon its basically thesame thing.

anime is just a fancy way of calling eastern based animation. but avatar IS an anime.
the two animators went to korea to start this project (seen the pilot episode?). and then moved back to the US along with korean animators.

therefore it is obviously anime just translated in to cartoon because an american person created it.

anyway, similarities, there are so many similarities that you just dont know where to start. like the latest one puppet master... i think every episode could just remind you of naruto in some ways.

such as fire turns to lighting - azula = sasuke
the avatars = pein
etc etc.

kiddo7
November 05, 2007, 11:29 AM
Yep, avatar is the best kids show to come out of american tv in a long time!
Though your comparison between Khatara and Sakura is a little deceiving. Khatara plays a much more major role, get, tons more screen time, and has not come across as ditsy/useless since maybe the fifth episode of season one. And ever since she got her master at the end of that season she has been able to kick pretty much everyone's ass that came across her path.

*ends fangirlish rant*

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that the similarities between these two shows, while they are interesting to note and discuss, are not very substantial. Stemming mainly from the Americans' reluctance to address too serious or dark issues in "children's" media (evidenced by their habit of editing shows they import from Japan, where no one seems to have these qualms) while avatar does have some of the best and most realistic (work with me on this one) looking fight scenes, there is virtually no blood or "ugly" wounds, and death is very scarce (maybe 3 people have been confirmed dead so far). Never the less, Avatar still manages to deliver a very well written story with deep and varied characters, an intriguing plot, and thought provoking turns of events.
Avatar seems to be the compromise between some European broadcasting stations that beleive children must be protected from all content beyond the level of Barney or Teletubies (Germany, I am looking at you) and Countries where kids are free to watch near pornographic content and overt unrestrained violence on prime time tv (Japan I am looking at you). The great and amazing thing about said "compromise" is that it works! you end up with a lighthearted show aimed at kids that adults can enjoy and look forwards to every week.
Thats my analysis anyway, with some parts slightly exaggerated for effect.

Superman
January 19, 2008, 07:52 PM
Avatar is a great thing to look the series did`t get all those prices for nothing. it is just too short,
just like the meal in a 5 stars restaurant.
you get just a little portion from the best.

krazykone12
February 05, 2008, 12:51 PM
anime or cartoon its basically thesame thing.

anime is just a fancy way of calling eastern based animation. but avatar IS an anime.
the two animators went to korea to start this project (seen the pilot episode?). and then moved back to the US along with korean animators.

therefore it is obviously anime just translated in to cartoon because an american person created it.

anyway, similarities, there are so many similarities that you just dont know where to start. like the latest one puppet master... i think every episode could just remind you of naruto in some ways.

such as fire turns to lighting - azula = sasuke
the avatars = pein
etc etc.

Yeah Dynamic Dragon is right QFT

One thing that makes Avatar more awesome is, FREAKING BLOOD BENDING :D

The_Drunk
February 05, 2008, 01:21 PM
I saw these simularitys a long time ago when Avatar first came out, but you can only compare the characters. The story line is far better in the Naruto Series, Infact Season 3 of the Avatar has to be the biggest disappointment in a (cartoon=nobody dies=no blood=ohh he hurt me=boring). The Avatar hasn't even gone into the avatar state in Season 3. Stupid Stupid Stupid.. it's almost like having the Naruto fillers again except with no missions. I think all they've been doing is sitting around a campfire. That's what sticks in my mind when I THINK OF THE AVATAR ....a CAMPFIRE.....except Zuco or whatever his name is now with them... sitting next to the fire... talking about a fire dance... The ironic part is that they even make fun of how lame the story line has become.... thats the funny part of the whole series.... YOU KNOW WHAT... I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU NEED TO COMPARE THE TWO... but I understand... your comparing the characters... and that's understandable... I'm sure there just waiting by the campfire until the Naruto series comes up with a new character they can copy.... maybe thats what there waiting for.... dang... I NEED A BEER........ I'm out........

Agrias
February 05, 2008, 01:55 PM
I dunno if everyone knows, but we have an Avatar Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18889) too :) You can keep the comparisons here too, but if you are after a in-depth discussion about Avatar, i suggest you guys to go there ^^