Marvel Comics Discussion Thread!

[manu]

When did we as comic fans allow Wolverine to grow up. He is being represented as tall, well with Hollywood I can understand but not in any animated cartoons. It just looks wrong: http://www.superheroes-r-us.com/index.php/2008/more-x-men-and-iron-man-cartoon-news/

Oh and Iron Man gets his own show too. Normally I guess I wouldn't be excited but with the amounts of fun I have had with The Batman and Spectacular Spiderman, not to mention past animated hits like Batman Beyond, Teen Titans and classic animations like the Justice League, 90s Batman, 90s Spiderman... the list really goes on with great superhero cartoons.
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Oh boy had to add more, Marvel announces their movie release schedule. As we know Hulk in July and Punisher in September. Wolverine comes out in May 2009 which is all old news. What is new is that Iron Man 2 comes out April 30th 2010 and Thor out June 4th 2010. May 6th 2011 will see the movie First Avenger: Captain America and July 2011 is going to be the release of The Avengers. Antman is still planned with its writer but I haven't heard much about the Magneto movie lately.

Outside of today's press release I'd like to talk about some other marvel movies, Luke Cage is listed on IMBD with Tyrese Gibson as Luke himself. Directer John Singleton, Writer Ben Ramsey and Release Date 2009. Weirdly enough Dr. Strange is on IMBD but I imagine that movie is being delayed as no rumblings about it have been on the web much recently.

[wrstljr]

Ladies and Gentlemen I would just like to notify you that the most hilarious page/panel of all time has recently been drawn in X-factor: The Quick and the Dead.

Page 20, tell me that isnt the best thing you've ever seen in comics haha.

[Lohnt]

Running with dolphins scene?
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The scheduling makes me happy, although I'm dissapointed to see the classic avengers cast.. I'd rather have the Marvel Adventures cast (with wolvie + spidey) but w/e

The Thor movie scares me.. I have no worries about the rest of the heroes, but Thor is VERY hard to pull off.. and unless they do it modern it won't really work with the avengers movie...

A Luke Cage movie should have Iron fist, otherwise it should not be done, I"m sorry. Buddy Flick or no go, it will make less than Punisher otherwise.
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By the way, nothing beats Spiderman 2. I thought Iron Man was better than Spiderman 1/3 + X-men because it was absolutely true to his character and spirit. Tony Stark being egotistical and doing what he did at the end of the movie is SOOOO freaking true. Plus "I'm not having a drink, Tony I'm NOT having a drink... you. you know what I like about mornings *attendants dance on stripper poles*" That right there made me laugh so hard.. it reminded me a little of my own nights out, except no private jet =(

Ok, back to comics.. Secret Invasion's main title is really really crappy.. in my opinion. I'm not enjoying it at all. I'm LOVING New and Mighty, but Secret is just... more and more unbearably underwhelming, I acually feel like WWH was 10x better.. which is retarded.

On the other hand, thankfully Young Avengers showed up, and Runaways will next issue, Fury in Issue 4, and Cap and Thor are coming so... things could look up, hopefully..

[Dragonzair]

EWWWW.

Why is Emma Frost in the cast of Wolverine and the X Men? D:

*grumbles and mumbles*

And just a warning, for I am watching Iron Man today. Once I get back, I may be all too dazed with the film, and many of you might not be able to comprehend a word I said. Maybe. Depending on how ecstatic I am. But WHATEVER. You all know I'm insane, so hey-I CAN'T WAIIIIIT! I'm watching it with my dad (who's also a comic fan, just not as much as I am) and dragging along my poor brother, who probably doesn't really care.

Do you know how sucky that would be? D: I have no one to spaz with, especially the ending credits. Meh. I did the same with the other comic films. I kept blabbering like a loony during the movie, and my brother would whack me across the face. :(

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Anyhow. I'm spamming, so here's some comic reactioonnnns:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. MARIA HILL IS GETTING MORE BLOODY AWESOME. :D In Iron Man, at least. The main title, not the new one. Invincible was okay, I guess. But the fact that it's set somewhere around after Civil War slightly irks me. And knowing that Dugan is a you-know-what makes me want him out of the picture as soon as possible right now =_=

And...is it me but is Salvador Larroca's stuff starting to mirror Greg Horn and Greg Land's stuff? >.> Especially Pepper looking like Nicole Kidman. That was fucked >.>

I'm so GLAD that the 60s group in SI were Skrulls. Well, apparently, not all of them but yeah. Although, their story's still sketchy, and that makes it so cool!

Mighty Avengers was cooool :p I'm honestly glad Daisy Johnson's back, and hah! Ares' son. 8D The art was meh, and the last panel was dreadful. I don't think people should react like that to what Fury said. I mean, what's so damn mind-blowing about being asked if you knew what Skrulls were?!

Now, if he had stated there was an invasion, yes. But it was a questiiooooon! Nothing jaw-droppnig about it.

Then again, their reactions may be towards the fact that they're supposed to follow him. Anyhow.

YOUNG AVENGERS.

THEY'D BETTER NOT DIE.

And where'd you hear about the Runaways appearing in the next issue?! ZOMG. THANK YOU. That's fantastic news!

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And am I the only one extremely happy about Ryan Reynolds being Deadpool? Isn't that great casting? XD

[wrstljr]

Ryan Reynolds is about the only acceptable choice for Deadpool IMHO...and they better make him all ugly and have some sort of strange speech or I might throw things at the screen haha.

And yes the running with the dolphins scene was just about the best thing I've ever seen. I normally dont LOL when reading comics (unless it's Gintama...which by all accounts is funny in every way) but that picture killed me. It's like the writer and the artist hated the character enough to give him one panel of complete and utter fail.

[Dragonzair]

:pmg :spaz :pmg :nuts :spaz

GAH.

TEN RINGS?

S.H.I.E.L.D.?!

WAR MAACHIIIIIINNNNNNNNE?!

I honestly had to stop myself from flying towards the screen when Rhodey headed towards the armour! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEH. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH.

It also helps so much that the casting for Tony was PERFECT. Downey Junior was so fucking HOT. Excuse my French. And the ending credits really is AWESOME. :D

Heeh, satisfaction here on my part. Oh, and Pepper and Hogan better hook up in the sequels. Jon Favreau must be so happy (lol).

Aaaahhh. I'm definitely buying the DVD. If I had the money, I'd watch it again.
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LOL. Who read this month's Mini Marvels? :D So much fun XD

[manu]

How do you find Mini Marvels? I'm collecting Secret Invasion, Mighty Avengers that include Nick Fury (Sentry issue can gtfo) Avengers Initiative, and the occasional Astonishing X-men but I never seem to find Mini Marvels. Except maybe in the back of Marvel Adventure books at the grocery market.
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Oh and Mockingbird is a skrull, the issue of New Avengers proves that the clones have all the knowledge of the original so while Hawkeye thinks she's real obviously she isn't. Oh and I love the Luke/Power Man interactions. Made me lol way too hard...

[Dragonzair]

Yep, Marvel Adventures.

[wrstljr]

Yeah New avengers was just vague enough to leave a lot of plot holes open.

From what I understand the Skrulls are effectively human in every way (brain pattern, musculature all that goodness) until the moment they become a skrull...and thats how they are undectectable.


Right or wrong?

[Lohnt]

EWWWW.

Why is Emma Frost in the cast of Wolverine and the X Men? D:
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*grumbles and mumbles*
I don't think people should react like that to what Fury said. I mean, what's so damn mind-blowing about being asked if you knew what Skrulls were?!

Now, if he had stated there was an invasion, yes. But it was a questiiooooon! Nothing jaw-droppnig about it.
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And where'd you hear about the Runaways appearing in the next issue?! ZOMG. THANK YOU. That's fantastic news!
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And am I the only one extremely happy about Ryan Reynolds being Deadpool? Isn't that great casting? XD

I'm happy Emma is in Wolverine, because I imagine they'll have a scene of her and Scott, to which Logan will get pissed to show how Scott disrespects the memory of Jean.
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If you follow the panels, they're reacting to Fury revealing who he really is, not to the skrulls, at least that's how I understood it.
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Runaways was announced to appear in the 3rd issue of SI either on IGN or the other comic book news site.. forget the name, but its so that they can make another Runaways/Young Avengers crossover tie-in
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I like Renolds but... I don't know if he can do deadpool..

What I am excited about is Hulk, because they found the perfect actor for the part, he is exactly what Bruce Banner should be, skinny nerdy guy that can turn into Fight Club in a split second.

[wrstljr]

I know how you feel about Deadpool...most of the time his character feels like it couldn't be replicated by anyone but Fabian but what can you do.

I think Reynolds is a good choice, although I feel like Deadpool himself would hate the decision...if that makes any sense.

He'd probably want to be played by Bea Arthur.

[The Boff]

Reynolds as Deadpool.


FUCKING FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!
the guy is awesome, the character is awesome.
combined that mens double awesomness!

[Lelo]

I still havn't seen Ironman, hopefully this weekend

[Lohnt]

Thunderbolts has Green Goblin, go buy it and read it now.

This is why Norman Osborn is Spiderman's greatest enemy, screw venom, he doesn't hold a CANDLE to the insanity that is Osborn.

Oh man, I wish this series was more popular and more mainstream, it DESREVES to be more popular than Avengers.

[manu]

Well... Warren Ellis is a mixed bag. We love his insanity but you know its NSFW and dangerous around the kids. Yes though, Marvel should advertise the series more but there just isn't enough room. I mean what would you have Marvel do? Remove all the Hulk ads?

...anyways I'm just psyched for Runaways/Young Avengers, I wonder... will they be the ones to fight the super duper skrulls?

[wrstljr]

I'm pretty sure Noh-Varr/Marvel Boy is going to kill some of those super duper skrulls too.

Remember when he took out the Young Avengers and Runaways at the same time...I think He'll fight side by side this time.

[Lelo]

did anyone like the first Hulk movie(I did), and the new one looks good but Im having some doubts, anyone else feel the same

[manu]

Hulk might be interesting but the real news is...

RUNAWAYS IS BEING ADAPTED!!!

As in Brain K. Vaughan, the man who wrote the series initially himself is going to be writing this film. Since Marvel has announced their schedule up till 2011 expect to wait a while guys but it'll be totally worth it.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/875/875934p1.html
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You know, I think I should start taking acting lessons. I would love to be cast as Alex in the movie, I'm skinny and black enough. Give me a pair of glasses and let me grow out my hair and I would totally fit the role. I mean hell I spend enough time on the computers talking to people older than me I've never meant. Have a crush on a gothic asain (among others...), and even though I know my parents are evil I love them to death =]

[Lohnt]

That's great news... but by 2011.. I'll be 25, damn, I don't know if I'll still be interested and as for acting.. I'm not blonde so... bleh.

I hope they stick to the actual story with Alex and the Mayan gods and all the obscure song/movie references, the only reason Runaways was so good was because it was so original and artistic, if it loses that appeal in order to fit into Hollywood style movies it'll be another Daredevil.

[manu]

Brain K. Vaughan knows is the original author and the screen writer for the movie. Daredevil wasn't written by a comic book writer. Oh and Vaughan is a writter and producer for Lost so he has experience with motion pictures. He's also best buds with Joss Whedon, guy who's done Buffy and Serenity. I really hope Whedon jumps on board, he's responsible for the tri-monthly issues we've read so far. This is going to be on my mind for a very long time...

Oh when Whedon is done with runaways I think they are going to relaunch the series again with a new issue one under a new writer...
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So... I'm going around marketing Kick-Ass again. Last time I got my name written in the book. Now its a contest to get a free ad in the book.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8124/kickassbannerpf8.jpg

Oh and buy, the book. Its like manga except read right to left =P

[Lohnt]

You got your name written in the book??

[manu]

mhmm, just at the editorial though. The ad thing is cool but I have nothing to advertise. I'm winning the contest, i suspect that has to do with my jobless advantage.

[Mashmaro]

Hulk might be interesting but the real news is...

RUNAWAYS IS BEING ADAPTED!!!

As in Brain K. Vaughan, the man who wrote the series initially himself is going to be writing this film. Since Marvel has announced their schedule up till 2011 expect to wait a while guys but it'll be totally worth it.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/875/875934p1.html
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You know, I think I should start taking acting lessons. I would love to be cast as Alex in the movie, I'm skinny and black enough. Give me a pair of glasses and let me grow out my hair and I would totally fit the role. I mean hell I spend enough time on the computers talking to people older than me I've never meant. Have a crush on a gothic asain (among others...), and even though I know my parents are evil I love them to death =]

Great new! I hope they do it well...And a Witchblade movie can also be kind of
good idea (They exist two awful previous movies...)

By Lelo: "did anyone like the first Hulk movie(I did), and the new one looks good but Im having some doubts, anyone else feel the same"

...The second Hulk adaptation movie...? According trailers I watched, Hulk looks more strange, seriously, being used to see the another one...Critics were saying that Ang Lee's vision on Hulk was too personal, the second looks like to be more Blockbuster. It's about watching it, we hope it is a worthy movie!

[Lohnt]

I saw the new Hulk and it was better than the first. I choose my wording carefully, because it wasn't 'awesome' or 'great.' But it also wasn't bad.

I would rate it above average. The thing is it wasn't bad, but it's not necessarily good. To be blunt though, you can't expect a masterpiece with a franchise like Hulk because the story tends to be shallow anyway, whereas things like Iron man and X-men are more intellectual by nature.

Overall I would say it fills up the Marvel movie library well, and sets up Avengers nicely
(Although .. Hulk as the villain is boring and predictable and overdone and Marvel is going to fuck up the Avengers if he is the only villain much like F4 which in my opinion was weak compared to its sequel). but other than that the movie didn't do much. I think they should hire the director from the Bourne Supremacy for future Hulk movies, and make them buddy movies against non-Hulk villains. For example, Hulk and Spidey, or Hulk and F4, best of all Hulk and Wolverine. Otherwise... the franchise has a weak future, that will only survive due to "THE HULK SMASH!!!!" and empty bland plot.
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More spoilers

But I don't like Stark saying "we're getting a team together" wtf? Since when, unless this is the original team without Captain America, how the heck did Nick sign on Thor? That's a better transfer than Garnett to the Celtics. So is the "team" just Ant man, wasp, Tony and Hawkeye at the moment? Screw that, that team is boring. I'd rather have a new Avengers team. but w/e.

[The Boff]

Now im off to see the motherfrikkin HULK!!!!!

sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!

[Lelo]

So Lohnt, you thought it was above average, thats good enough for me. Hopefully ill go watch it today

[The Boff]

it delivered PRECISELY what it should. im very happy with this Hulk movie. fucking awesome!

[Lohnt]

I'm not saying it didn't deliver, X-men 3 delivered exactly what it should, they just delivered it wrong (especially in a movie that is more about story than flash). All I'm saying is someone like the director for Bourne could have done a better job, other than that it was a good movie.

Also.. the fight scene wasn't all THAT great to be honest... I was hoping they'd take a little more from Matrix.

[Lelo]

you know I thought the movie would be ok but the fight scenes would makeup for it, but ur saying there not all that great. I just gotta see it for myself, but I dont think I have the time

[The Boff]

ey, a question. in what comic does Bucky take on the captain America "job"?

cause im just guessing that that will be well written and emotional and stuff so id like to read it.
anyone knows?

[Lohnt]

I know in 25 he dies.. so 25+ up are important for the steps. Plus Fallen son 3 aaaaaand.. there was a young avengers issue where Patriot and Hawkeye team up with him that was very important..

It's not really one issue, it's a long thought out process. But the first costume job.. was prob 5 chapters ago.

[The Boff]

thanks dude! will check around for them then. but theyre haaard to come by in sweden.

and jesus tittyf***ing christ why didnt anyone tell me that Skaar son of Hulk has been released?
*off reading nr 1*

[Lohnt]

So.. Runaways is back, and it was pretty sentimental to read. It's been a while, and Whedon did a great job. But, to be honest, the season finale was great a real 9/10.

But.. Runaways/Young Avengers, now THAT was f#@king GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD. I can't believe how long it has been since I read comics this good. I mean, a lot of good stories have been out lately, heck, I even loved the new Red Hulk Issue (yes if you look into the doc's past, it actually matches up to what his actions were). But this.. Young Avengers and Runaways in the Skrull Invasion.... holy crap people, please please please read buy it.

[Dragonzair]

I'll agree with the above post.

It was hell worth the wait, and I was jumping up and down on my seat. And I'm all hyped for this Runaways film adaption.

I do hope they won't pick horrid teen actors to play any of them. Swear to God, if I see Miley Cyrus I will kill someone.

[goldb]

lol, that's always the problem with screen adaption of comics...I trust we've all seen Daredevil?;)

I dunno what everybody else thinks but I for one liked Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and he would have probably been the only character that I would have kept if it were up to me...the first thrown out the door..the guy who played Cyclops, then Halle Berry( i wuv u....but it's nothing personal)

[Lohnt]

Fuck marvel..

http://www.comicboards.com/app/image.php?msg=thor-2008073023540335&att=Untitled-1.jpg&width=476&height=746
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[The Boff]

jesus- tittyf***ing-christ!?!?!?

what the hell? a red hulk fighting thor? what the hell is going on?
what series is that? i need to read and then make angry and derogatory comments.

[D3M1URG3]

That's from the current Hulk series, which is simply known as "Hulk" (as the Incredible run as been passed on to Hercules). The current series has to do with the appearance of a new Hulk (called Red Hulk by fans), who is obsessed with killing Green Hulk while also killing former friends and enemies of Hulk on the way. It's actually a pretty good series so far, with the mystery being who is Red Hulk?

[The Boff]

hulk you say... pretty good you say...

hmmmm.... interesting i say.... must check this out now.

[Lohnt]

Yes, it was pretty good up until this issue, which is blasphemy against all that has been marvel for the past 50 years.

Thors hammer cannot be picked up and used against him, even in space.

ESPECIALLY NOW THAT HE IS @#$%@# ODIN, he turned into the king of Asgardian gods, with the new Odinforce.. which means he controls the magic over his hammer, which means his hammer no longer listens to "whoever is worthy" but whoever he decides. And he would NOT decide to give Rulk that power.

This is bs =( It's like Sasuke losing to Lee or Shanks losing to Buggy.
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Oh and I'll tell you why it was good, because the storyline was actually pretty keen on Hulk mythology/history, and if Rulk is indeed who he is supposedly, it would make sense for the further mutation. However if it is the military man, it's just kinda silly.

[D3M1URG3]

Yes, it was pretty good up until this issue, which is blasphemy against all that has been marvel for the past 50 years.

Thors hammer cannot be picked up and used against him, even in space.

ESPECIALLY NOW THAT HE IS @#$%@# ODIN, he turned into the king of Asgardian gods, with the new Odinforce.. which means he controls the magic over his hammer, which means his hammer no longer listens to "whoever is worthy" but whoever he decides. And he would NOT decide to give Rulk that power.

This is bs =( It's like Sasuke losing to Lee or Shanks losing to Buggy.
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Oh and I'll tell you why it was good, because the storyline was actually pretty keen on Hulk mythology/history, and if Rulk is indeed who he is supposedly, it would make sense for the further mutation. However if it is the military man, it's just kinda silly.

I'm actually pretty confused now, after checking out some of your previous pics after reading your synopsis of what's going on. I must have missed an issue or something, because i completely missed this.

[Lohnt]

Sorry, I'll clarify: Warning spoilers blah blah.

Thor had dissapeared for the past 3 years or so due to Asgard facing Ragnarok. Up until this point he was the superman of the avengers, gets beat up a lot, but still by far the strongest go to character for w/e. In the history of Thor however, the one thing that always made him uber is his hammer. His hammer controls lightning, and cannot be picked up by anyone not worthy (like Excalibur). Beta Ray Bill, Steve Rogers, and Donald Blake were worthy, for good reason.

Hulk had failed to pick up and use the hammer even when really mad, Hyperion (Marvel's eternal/superman aside from sentry) couldn't pick up thor and the hammer, because the hammer has God-King magic. God-king magic as has been explained in the Ares miniseries and in Thor is limited to.. Zeus and Odin I guess, plus the Japanese one as well I would imagine.

However, Thor returned mysteriously and became the new ruler of Asgard, Odin was left to fight a monster in hell for eternity, and Thor was given the Odinforce, thus the magic over his hammer.

Now this Rulk (crappy name) showed up and used a gun, was smart and cocky.. They found Doc Samsons clothes ripped off, and hinted he was Rulk. Doc Samson had a weird effect to the gamma radiation and had a permanent change into his "inner superhero," based on some things I read on Wiki, and the Marvel database when Hulk 2 came out, I found it pretty interesting for it to be Doc Samson, because it would give his character a greatly needed facelift, in essence turning him into an A class hero/villain like Namor.

The other option is General Thunderbolt Ross, because the general went to speak to Banner while he was imprisoned, and banner whispered something Ominous in his ear. Then shortly after when Rulk showed up fighting A-Bomb at a military base, the eye scan stated: Identity confirmed, welcome ... *bzzzt pshh boom* and the robot exploded before we learn his identity.

Either way.. Rulk has powers that are apparently above Earth, and in essence Cosmic as the only explanation, or Magic.. but he uses guns so.. =/ If he is Samson, I could buy that Rulk is that strong, because Samson is already so powerful in his normal state, but General Ross has no place knocking around Thor and punching a watcher.

tl;dr All in all that's a summarized version why people are pissed at Marvel. With the intro of Sentry, and the Hulk not being the strongest one there is, and Thor coming back with powers over the Earth and Sky, yet still able to be beaten by crappy carbon copies of the Hulk (they could have at least changed his hair or something.... he's an even worse idea than Shadow from Sonic).

[D3M1URG3]

Sorry, I'll clarify: Warning spoilers blah blah.

Thor had dissapeared for the past 3 years or so due to Asgard facing Ragnarok. Up until this point he was the superman of the avengers, gets beat up a lot, but still by far the strongest go to character for w/e. In the history of Thor however, the one thing that always made him uber is his hammer. His hammer controls lightning, and cannot be picked up by anyone not worthy (like Excalibur). Beta Ray Bill, Steve Rogers, and Donald Blake were worthy, for good reason.

Hulk had failed to pick up and use the hammer even when really mad, Hyperion (Marvel's eternal/superman aside from sentry) couldn't pick up thor and the hammer, because the hammer has God-King magic. God-king magic as has been explained in the Ares miniseries and in Thor is limited to.. Zeus and Odin I guess, plus the Japanese one as well I would imagine.

However, Thor returned mysteriously and became the new ruler of Asgard, Odin was left to fight a monster in hell for eternity, and Thor was given the Odinforce, thus the magic over his hammer.

Now this Rulk (crappy name) showed up and used a gun, was smart and cocky.. They found Doc Samsons clothes ripped off, and hinted he was Rulk. Doc Samson had a weird effect to the gamma radiation and had a permanent change into his "inner superhero," based on some things I read on Wiki, and the Marvel database when Hulk 2 came out, I found it pretty interesting for it to be Doc Samson, because it would give his character a greatly needed facelift, in essence turning him into an A class hero/villain like Namor.

The other option is General Thunderbolt Ross, because the general went to speak to Banner while he was imprisoned, and banner whispered something Ominous in his ear. Then shortly after when Rulk showed up fighting A-Bomb at a military base, the eye scan stated: Identity confirmed, welcome ... *bzzzt pshh boom* and the robot exploded before we learn his identity.

Either way.. Rulk has powers that are apparently above Earth, and in essence Cosmic as the only explanation, or Magic.. but he uses guns so.. =/ If he is Samson, I could buy that Rulk is that strong, because Samson is already so powerful in his normal state, but General Ross has no place knocking around Thor and punching a watcher.

tl;dr All in all that's a summarized version why people are pissed at Marvel. With the intro of Sentry, and the Hulk not being the strongest one there is, and Thor coming back with powers over the Earth and Sky, yet still able to be beaten by crappy carbon copies of the Hulk (they could have at least changed his hair or something.... he's an even worse idea than Shadow from Sonic).

After reading Hulk #5, I'm not exactly sure why some people are pissed off at Marvel. I found this issue very straight forward and to the point, without much of the mystery present in previous issues.

Rulk initially wasn't wielding Mjolnir, but simply dragging Thor by the Hammer into space by means of jumping. As for grabbing the hammer in 0g, isnt that surprising to me in the least, as the defense mechanism of the hammer when someone attempts to wield it is to increase it's weight to the point that someone can't lift in. In an area of no gravity, weight is no issue. I do believe that It's very surprising that Rulk can just beat Thor down will no real effort, but obviously they are leading up to something with this, and I have alot of faith in Jeph Loeb.

Overall, not a bad issue. It's a great work of Fantasy in a series which, to this point, is all about Rulk.

BTW, Final Crisis #3 Is just amazing.

[manu]

Hulk has been funny at best, though censored swearing seems out of place in comics. Something I should note, read Fantastic Four lately for an interesting Hulk development. Proffesor Hulk made an appearance. This Hulk believes its Bruce Banner buut is just a Hulk psche made by Samson. Well thats what its been retconned to be and well he seems to be alive somewhere. And how did Rick Jones get his powers, damn Hulks running all over the place confuse me Final Crisis 3 was great, wonder where it'll go. I mean with Secret Invasion there is no worry that the universe is intact but FC has no such bets.

[Lohnt]

Wait.. I had not read that F4, I just saw the last page on the previous issue that showed professor Hulk..

Anyway, that's besides the point. Namor is helping Tony Stark. Moreover, he refused to help Hulk and get involved in 'terrian matters' anymore, despite his friendship with the Hulk. Lastly he's allied with Doc Doom now in the new evil Illuminati, why is he there?

This comic is out of ALL CONTINUITIES, it's like a separate dimension *shakes head*, I really hope it is an alternate reality...

[qwan3356]

Rulk is a monster thou. love issue 5. He just loves pawning every powerful character, plus he is damn smart for some reason or another.

[Lohnt]

Secret Invasion
So Hawkeye is no Skrull.. still unexplained origin but w/e, I hope they are wrong about the killing all of them comment. I don't want Xavin or Superskrull to die, and to be honest I think Hawkeye is overreacting a little. He didn't lose anything, since he didn't have his wife back to begin with. He even shagged up with Scarlet Witch and Echo, I'd say he sufficiently needs to stop bickering.

[The Boff]

ok, Red Hulk is everything i hate with Marvel. I want the people thats making it to just stop destroying what was the most awesome green meanie story ever created. red hulk fucked all that in an instant. thank you retarded writer people, thank you very much.


and on another note. sweet jeeeebus christ i just saw the leaked Wolverine Origins Trailer. holy hannah and mozzarella cake it was sweet as hell. hard to find though since the producers are going all around the web forcing people to stop looking at the trailer and be pumped up for the movie. yeah smart choice corporate people! lets stop the hype for the movie! yeah we dont want people to be psyched about the movie, noooo we want to hide it and not get free advertise at all. making people go like this 2 weeks after the premiere: what? there's a wolverine movie? why didnt i know that?
corporate retards.......

[Fenrir]

All I can say is, I'll be sitting in theaters waiting for that Deadpool cameo in Wolverine Origins 8D....I never thought he'd ever actually get to be on big screen. Ever.

[Hollow Kurono]

Anti-Venom?Maaaan,Im so happy for Eddie right now.I hope powns he Venom,I wonder how the hell that transformation happened,but like Li said never ask miracles for questions,Im so lookin forward to it :)


All I can say is, I'll be sitting in theaters waiting for that Deadpool cameo in Wolverine Origins 8D....I never thought he'd ever actually get to be on big screen. Ever.


And Ryan Reynolds will play Deadpool perfectly,he has that scence of humor,he showed that in Blade:Trinity.I so cant wait for the movie,Deadpool and Wolve are one of my favs in Marvel.And I cant wait for an hd trailer for the movie of Wolverine:Orgins.

[wrstljr]

All I have to say is Ultimate Black Suit spidey!!!!!!! He's going to be Namor level of badassness in the Ultimate universe.

Spidey kicks a thousand time more ass in the Ultimate Universe...its amazing how differently he is written in the two universes.

[Lohnt]

Yea I agree with that, but Ultimate universe power levels are completely ambiguous anyway.

Thor takes down Loki/Hyperion but gets taken down by Magneto pfffffffffffft riiight.

Whatever, point is, the Ultimate universe is ending, but Ultimate Spider-man is sticking around and it is absolutely justified to do so. Ultimate Spiderman surpasses the main Spider-man title in every way ever since One More Day,

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

I agree with you, Lohnt. I used to hate reading Ultimate Spidey, but now that we've been hit by BND i prefer reading Ultimate.

And even more now after they introduced...
...Eddie Brock as the Anti-Venom.

[wrstljr]

Anti-Venom has to be one of the most ill-concieved/least wanted character creations in recent history.

Do any of you guys know of the title where Namor helps the Inhumans out..I've been wanting to read it but cant find the name of it.

When I google it all i get is arguments on who would win in a fight between Namor and the Black Bolt haha

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

That and anything Rob Liefeld made. :XD

Maybe you can try reading here (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hydromenhydro.htm) for Namor and the Inhumans, but i'm not too sure.

[wrstljr]

Thanks alot Ichi, not exactly what I was looking for but it's always good to get some history on characters.

And agreed with Liefeld...Captain America never looked so good haha.

Anyone else feel if they see one more Skrullified cover they just might snap...DC's quality has skyrocketed too. Marvel comics are been done more poorly than the movies these days.

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

I think that's why Millar made cap say, "You think this A on my forehead stands for France?", since Cap doesnt want anyone looking at his chest. :XD

I think we're gonna see more Marvel Apes cover after this. I first saw it on Cable #6, which was done by Liefeld. Those poor primates, he made them look really bad.

[wrstljr]

That was a great moment in Ultimates haha...too bad about Ultimates as a series too. I think I might've enjoyed Ultimate Hulk more than his counterpart as well.

So just to put up a timeline of the past few years

Civil War (Heroes v. Heroes covers everywhere and crossover titles), WWH (Hulk pounding people with crossover titles(btw planet hulk was great imo)), Secret Invasion (Skrulls everywhere, on every cover, heroes fighting heroes with green chins, poorly drawn amalgams of heroes in skrull form) and now........Heroes in Gorilla, Orangutan, Chimp form?

The promise of Civil war has been killed so easily, and if they use the Secret Invasion as a means to reset everything I'll be disgusted. Probably even more than i was with One more day

And why the hell does Thor have to have a secret invasion title...he was doing fine without any of that crap.

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

Yeah, the current Ultimates (v3) is nothing compared to the previous two "seasons". And the art (imo) is just...average.

But on the bright side, Damon Lindeloff handed in his script for Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk at SDCC. And if you read the latest Ultimate X-Men, Wolvie survived being torn apart by Hulk.

I think the event will be Marvel Apes. It's something DC did several years ago with JLApes, what a let down.

Since the Skrull wants to conquer Earth, and everything magic about it, they must've thought taking down Asgard is a good idea.

[The Boff]

marvel fans REJOICE!

lookie at what Boff found on DA:

http://mikedeodatojr.deviantart.com/


the line drawing dude for lots of cool marvel stuff

[Hollow Kurono]

Woooo,Anti-Venom is crazy.Crazy,just like that Venom is out :D took away his suit,I still want an explanation how did he got those powers,was it Li who did it?Remeber he touched him and something blue happened.



marvel fans REJOICE!

lookie at what Boff found on DA:

http://mikedeodatojr.deviantart.com/


the line drawing dude for lots of cool marvel stuff



That brings me to that,when will "Wolverine:Orgins 28" come out?I realy cant wait for it.But this dude aint the only one who is drawing marvel stuff :)

[juUnior]

Woooo,Anti-Venom is crazy.Crazy,just like that Venom is out
hmm I saw the covers of the new Amazing's, and just one question, on simple and the only one <I google it, but I couldnt find that>:
Who is Anti-Venom? Is it Brock? Some info is put about it? Thx in advance for reply :p

[D3M1URG3]

hmm I saw the covers of the new Amazing's, and just one question, on simple and the only one <I google it, but I couldnt find that>:
Who is Anti-Venom? Is it Brock? Some info is put about it? Thx in advance for reply :p

Yes, It's Brock. This Is so far a big mistake on Marvel's part, IMO. Brand New Day was terrible to begin with, but New Ways to Die is only making things worse.

[juUnior]

Yes, It's Brock. This Is so far a big mistake on Marvel's part, IMO. Brand New Day was terrible to begin with, but New Ways to Die is only making things worse.
Thx! So it is Brock.. hmm, makes me wonder: is it just because of Mr.Negative touch, that hmm some little symbiote in his blood mutated and he once again could become Veno... ekhem, Anti-Venom? Is he strong compared to Gargan's Venom right now? And was it said, what's the objective <if any..> has Anti-Venom? And why did he called himself "Anti-".. man, I'm not fond of seeing Brock in different style than the old cool Blueish/Blackish Venom :x <objective, I mean: before he had that thing to kill Spidey, sometimes Carnage and other symbiotes, and now?>
btw. I didn't expect that Brock will be back, but in "not beieng the Venom we.. ok, ok, I love xP

[Hollow Kurono]

Thx! So it is Brock.. hmm, makes me wonder: is it just because of Mr.Negative touch, that hmm some little symbiote in his blood mutated and he once again could become Veno... ekhem, Anti-Venom? Is he strong compared to Gargan's Venom right now? And was it said, what's the objective <if any..> has Anti-Venom? And why did he called himself "Anti-".. man, I'm not fond of seeing Brock in different style than the old cool Blueish/Blackish Venom :x <objective, I mean: before he had that thing to kill Spidey, sometimes Carnage and other symbiotes, and now?>
btw. I didn't expect that Brock will be back, but in "not beieng the Venom we.. ok, ok, I love xP



Cause he hates Venom,and thinks hes like a dissease,so he named himself Anti,he hated it because he got cancer cause of Venom so.And Anti-Venom already beat Venom as it seems :) hes takin Spider-Man

[wrstljr]

Right now if marvel fans were given a vote

I'm pretty certain over 80% would vote in favor of retconning everything having to do with Spider-man since OMD.

I didn't even think it was possible to undermine a character to the point where he loses everything good about him. Say what you want about how now there can be more interesting storylines for him...the whole thing has seemed half-assed and was conceptualized and written incredibly poorly.

It's going take years (and probably a restart or something) for Spidey to ever get back to normal in the mainstream universe.

Anti-venom is a joke...remember when they tried having a bunch of new symbiotes and it failed? Toxic anyone?

There is a reason the 3rd spiderman movie was the worst...as cool as Venom looks and as badass as he is...his character depth is mediocore. He a rampaging monster when most of the dudes Spidey normally fights are more compelling.

I hope people now can look back on the clone saga and say...well it was long as hell but at least there was some payoff in the end...and what an insane story.

[Hollow Kurono]

I started reading Spidey myself a couple of months ago.And yeah its sad and lame the way it turned out to be with MJ and everything Spidey has done,even the art is a bit wacky,Anti-Venom is good,I like him and everything,but I agree its to much already.

:D his name wasnt Toxic it was Toxin :D I guess the symbiotes definantly failed if you cant remeber them.Well as I said I just started reading everything,so Im not hating it that much.

And I agree about the third Spider-man movie it sucked,I cant even make myself watch it if Im bored,the first one was the best.They should have made Venom a bit more like Venom,cause as you can remeber Venom was hella built and this venom was shorter then Spidey.

And when you are talkin about the symbiotes dont forget about the goblins to.The Menace and probably the Menace is someone we know,I just dont know which one probably Harrys girlfriend or Harrys girlfriends best friend the one that cop likes,Peters roomm8.Anyway..waiting for the next chapter.

[Lohnt]

So.. Mr Negative is filling New York with cheap (but deadlier) knockoffs of original Spidey villains.... (I really miss the Mayan god arc.. that shit was tight)

So.. Anti-venom is as strong as venom without any of the weaknesses, but Brock so far seems to be good, also he's forgotten Pete's identity so he has no hatred for Spider-man anymore. This is good I think for now. The name and color still suck though.

Norman has gone full Green Goblin, which is BLASPHEMY to all the god-@#%$@#% awesome Thunderbolts chapters where he was NORMAN OSBORN, not GG, and was smart enough to be Lex Luthor and a member of congress during the Registration act.
But this way he gets to kill Menace.. which is dumb because Menace seemed deadlier, but less insane. I guess crazier always beats stronger.

But Norman captured Freak, and made Gargan a super-scorpion Venom (which I personally prefer, just not the current one), because I always thought it was cool when he was a scorpion venom.. just that this current costume is kinda.. space-looking, better suited for a Nova villain.

In fact most of these new villains feel like they belong in space/some other superhero's comic. Maybe MAYBE if Pete was still the Iron Spider-man (with Stark's armor) I would buy this whole Shtick.. but OMD/NWTD is blerg.

Although I am nostalgic for the Mayan God mini-arc.. although it was filler, it surpassed this garbage. In fact I think that is the winning formula for Spidey, filler = win. This is why I prefer the british Spider-man comic and Ultimate Spidey, it's like watching simpsons without having to follow every episode.

[Hollow Kurono]

Hey there,I have a favor to ask,does anyone have "Avengers: The Initiative #14"?I would like to start reading Secret Invasion,but I cant find the chapter.If anyone can plz help.


@Lohnt

They Mayan was a cool arc to,I realy didnt suspect the dude to be the villain when he said he was a good guy,but yeah the characthers in it were awesome,especialy the main villain,he was so big and definantly was awesome looking,well I mean he was cool.


You know I am tired of this already,I realy am,a post or two ago I was fine about it,but now when I though of the Spidey that had night-vision,had those things comin out of him,I dont remeber them,he was so insane and so strong,remeber the time Morlun wanted to finish him off?I dont know I think there should be some kind of thing,or person or something just do bring back that Spider-Man,I love this Spidey to,but I want to see him with those powers and want to see MJ with him again.

[Lohnt]

They could always ressurect the Ghost Rider series by doing a crossover mini event where he kills Memphisto. Especially now that Dr Strange won't be sorcerer supreme...

Unless some cool writer takes over and screws all this, has Dr Doom become the new SS, get the evil Illuminati together and start forming an army with Namor, Penance and the Hood, but Osborn stands in his way, and he recruits Spidey but in order to do so he does him the favor of taking out Memphisto... I think that would be a team worthy of the possible new avengers team of Odinforce Thor, Shiney Cap, How many times are you going to get upgrades Iron-Man and maybe Wolverine..

But spidey you know.. wouldn't really be evil, he still wouldn't kill people, just fight for Doom. Come one! It's doom, we all love him. No but seriously wouldn't it be awesome to see Osborn's Thunderbolts take on Doom's illuminati? I still think Osborn would somehow win even though the Dark Illuminati is crazy powerful.. especially now that Bullseye doesn't get affected by psychics (bye bye Emma!)

[Hollow Kurono]

How will you call this scorpion?Venomus-Scorpion or Anti-AntiVenom?Well this is sick and lame,I never saw what Scorpion can do in a comic book,only on tv,now ofcourse theres gonna be some fightin and still Anti-Venom and Spidey will win.

I wish Mephisto turns everythin back the way it was.I understand "House of M" was good when reality was changed,but this is not that good,atleast can someone draw better.

[Lohnt]

To be honest I've only read one comic from like the 70's on Gargan.. I don't think he's really been in the spotlight before he got the suit, except in other publications (non Amazing which is the main storyline).

I think he doesn't appear in the 90's.. I have a collection of Amazing Spidey from creation to 2006 but it's in New York, and I can't access it right now.. But honestly I don't think he's been in the spotlight for a while.

As for Anti-anti-Venom (good name!~~~) he'll probably be stronger than anti-venom and Spidey, and we'll get our new Carnage this way.. although I still would prefer Cletus to Gargan.

[manu]

Pay attention to Secret Invasion, nothing happens with Venom/Scorpion. I bet the only thing of substance that comes out of this storyline is a defeated Brock who gets captured by either Norman or Mr. Negative and all the thunderbolts return to previous powerlevels. Though I imagine there is a strong grudge at the end of the fight, Venom was excited to attack spiderman while in the middle of the invasion so i expect to be amused with the last chapter at the very least.

[warbandit66]

Has anybody here been reading the Young X-men series? I've noticed it's received a fair bit of criticism from posters on other forums but I've really enjoyed it so far, especially the latest one, with a new artistic team and character development, and alot of me will probably disagree with me but Ink has got to be the coolest character out of the bunch, dust is pretty awesome too.

I'd like to know what you guys think.

[Lohnt]

I haven't really followed Young X-men, I guess because I'm not too interested in the team. I prefer to hear about Elixir in X-force for example.

Anyway, reviews:
Deadpool: Great issue, love the last page, he really does do something awesome in SI, but no one will ever know. But the series really does seem to focus a lot on the comedy, and in an issue like this, at least the last couple of pages could have used a more serious tone.
New Avengers: Interesting read, nothing more. Nothing exciting really, just stuff about House of M.
Runaways: I agree with the reviews this issue. I didn't particularly like it, bunch of brats all talking at once and having no particular interest, the story didn't even seem to advance all that much. I guess the writing has fallen a bit.
Thunderbolts: Eh, it was good, but not great. Not as good as the previous SI issues anyway. Art has kind of fallen in quality also.

Lastly HRulk:
What can I say.. the arc is finally done (somewhat), we are left more confused than ever. I think people consider the victory to be a one on one battle, when it really wasn't.
As Rulk is about to knock out Hulk, Thor saves him, and as Rulk is going to counterattack Thor (despite him saying he bested him) Hulk jumps him/blindsides him. It really was a 2 on 1 and thus a decent victory.

Status quo was restored by retconning 2 victories, and Rulk's intelligence.

However, the ending is interesting, at the very least I can consider this a crappy 1970's storyline that has potential for Rulk's future. Although I still hate his design (red v. of Hulk).

If they changed his look a little, and continued the focus on him in the Hulk series (because it does seem like he is the protagonist moreso than the Hulk), I wouldn't mind following the story. I don't really care for his identity anymore, since it doesn't make as much of an impact now that the likely suspects are out.

The whole "gave you everything" business is definately interesting though. Makes me wonder if Mastermind or some other smart character (please Doom?) is behind this whole thing.

But anyway, this controversial arc is done and.. thank goodness. I can only say it ended no better (writing wise) than it started so, whatever.

By the way, Samson should be a villain, it really suits him more. He even fits into the whole Thunderbolts dynamic.

[Hollow Kurono]

Spider-Man:Secret Invasion it was preety intersting and wasnt tired readin it,even tho Spidey was in a couple of pages.I like Jackpot,she realy reminds you of MJ,but that aint her,probably,but I would love to see MJ with Peter togheter,which they actualy will and I hope that skrull eats Bennets brains out,cause hes anoyin and he aint like J.Jona.Jameson at all,I miss that guy,he was hilarious.


Wolverin Origins 28 preety intersting,I realy want the Daken/Wolverine relationship to go well,I want them to get along,imagine what a team they would make.How come Daken grew so tall :D I love this comic,just its so troublesome that it comes out once in a month.


And does anyone have "Avengers: The Initiative #14"?

[Eboria]

Deadpool 2: I gotta say that I didn't really like the first issue of the new Deadpool series but after reading the second issue I'm starting to like it a bit better, the insane comedy is there. Still it's not up to the old Deadpool comics level but at this rate it won't be long.
Nova 17: I've loved this series since the first issue and the love isn't stopping yet, I like how it involves Nova in SI. And I really liked the reveal at the end.
Fantastic Four 560:I'm not really sure what I think about the current arc, I feel that I've missed reading something. But it's still not a bad arc.

[wrstljr]

Yeah I agree with you on Deadpool...mainly cause I feel its a completely different take on the character.

Fabian isn't writing him anymore right, and he's pretty much wrote every deadpool chapter since forever? Thats probably what I've been noticing. Normally he's Mr. Pop culture joking in his own insane way but it still makes sense to him haha whereas now he's like a Loony Toon Killing machine. Different writers will do that though.

It's still one of the better marvel titles in the past couple months...but I miss old hilarious Wade when he played off of Cable being the straight man.

On the other hand...Cables title pretty much sucks.

[The Boff]

well concerning Deadpool. its sweet ass bananas that he has his own title again cause the dude rocks. without question the funniest marvel char ever created.

but i agree that its a different feel than "Cable & Deadpool". but its only been 2 issues yet. i'll give it some time before i give it a judgment. i mean we don't know if he's still working with agency X or if Bob is still there or anything.
but when i first read issue 1 i was like, noooooooo! not even deadpool is that retarded is he?

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

Fortunately for you, Boff, 'Pool have not yet fallen that low as to sell his skills to the Skrulls
I personally this run would last longer than C&D and will not be involving Cable in the series. That guy is too serious to be with Deadpool.

[Lohnt]

When does he do what you mention in the spoiler?

Also I am glad Fury shows up, it shows they haven't forgotten C&D, because a lot of important character development happened to Deadpool. He shouldn't just be all out nutso like in the original Deadpool, he should have bouts of brilliance like in Civil War. Where he made THE ONLY pro-registration speech that made me think registration made sense.

[Ichimaru Gin n Tonic]

In the last pages of Deadpool #1.

But, as you know it was all a ruse by the command of Nick Fury. :D

[Lohnt]

Holy crap, the end of deadpool 3 was.. amazophonemonal! Bea Arthur, and Nick and _____ !~!@!$R!@!!!! Woot!

This series is turning out WAAAAAAAAAY better than I expected, it may even be mainstream Marvel if this keeps up. He had a moment of brilliance, just like I wanted, and on top of that there was a moment I didn't expect. The writers were right, this series is full of surprises.

[manu]

Pleasantly surprised is how I felt too. It wasn't an epic start, I mean it is a tie-in but what better way to introduce major characters. I didn't learn anything new, but its a great way to understand who Deadpool is. I mean I forgot the cancer part...

Marvel has some good projects but I'm dropping more than I'm reading. Burned out of Bendis I guess.

[Hollow Kurono]

Read Spider-Man 574 well its been a long time since a chapter was this good,imo.So I liked the art and what went it.Its to bad about Flash tho..

..the cover for the next issue loox good.GOOOD!

[njt]

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