The Korean Study Thread

[MrStrawHat]

Well, since No1 is doing it, (Mostly 'cause I am one of Only Korean, I think) Mr.StrawHat will be your teacher. Mr.Kim's Korean lesson starts Now!
Basic:

Ahn neung hah see yoh? - Hello(you pronounce 'Yoh' as you would do when you pronounce Yoh from Shaman King with less Accent and Power)

Bhan Gap Suem Nee Da. - Nice to meetcha:) (It's pretty simpleforwards. Try to put a smile on your face when saying this, for otherwise, the person you are speaking to can get mixed signal)

Neh Eerum Un (Insert Name here) Im Nee Da. - My Name is ..... (I know it is hard to prnounce, but after you do it for abouyt 15 to 20 times, even Hick Towns ppl like ppl from my School gets it)

Bap Duh Sheut Aeo Yoh? - Have you eaten? (I generally say that to my Superior
when I have nothing to say, then I skip to weather. It is polite to ask if the superior have eaten in Korea and its make them think you care, wheather you actually do or not.)

Ahn Neung Hee Gue Sah Yoh. - Good Bye, take care. (you say this ONLY when you get OUT of their house.)

Ahn Neung Hee Gah Sah Yoh - Same as above (You say this ONLY when when get OUT of YOUR house or when you are outside.)

THIS IS IT FOR LESSON 1, and Ahn Neung Hee Gue Sah Yoh!

[Azurel]

Hmm.. the only korean words I know are..

Oppa - Brother

Bian - Sorry

:XD and that's from watching korean dramas.

i find it hard to work out korean words unlike japanese. :amuse

[MrStrawHat]

It's not Bian, its Mian.....

[geassman]

Can you merge with other Korean thread please?^^;

Here is the Korean alphabet(in order):
ㄱ(g as in grade sound)
ㄴ(n as in now sound)
ㄷ(d as in dog sound)
ㄹ(can be r or l, though most say leaning towards the r sound. As for me, I say it in between.)
ㅁ(m as in milk sound)
ㅂ(b as in boy sound)
ㅅ(s as in snake sound)
ㅊ(ch as in cheese sound)
ㅋ(k or c as in cake or karaoke sound)
ㅌ(t as in trouble sound)
ㅍ(p as in pie sound)
ㅎ( h as in help sound)

These letters only make one sound each, so it's easier to learn than English.:tem

[eni]

Merged and.... *subscribes*

I'm learning Korean but more than reading Hangul is not possible atm, too busy with my final exams :XD

[MrStrawHat]

hehe, I finally got around to getting a new computer so now I'm back.
geassman brought up a GOOD subject. Writing Korean is as important as pronouncing it. Just on the sidenote, ㄹ is the reason Koreans/any other oriental Asians can't pronounce the 'L' and 'R' Apart.

well, here it is; I'll show you how to write the words I 'taught' to pronounce.

안녕하세요? - Hello(you pronounce 'Yoh' as you would do when you pronounce Yoh from Shaman King with less Accent and Power)

반갑습니다. - Nice to meetcha (It's pretty simpleforwards. Try to put a smile on your face when saying this, for otherwise, the person you are speaking to can get mixed signal)

내 이름은 (Insert Name here) 입니다. - My Name is ..... (I know it is hard to prnounce, but after you do it for abouyt 15 to 20 times, even Hick Towns ppl like ppl from my School gets it)

밥 드셨어요? - Have you eaten? (I generally say that to my Superior
when I have nothing to say, then I skip to weather. It is polite to ask if the superior have eaten in Korea and its make them think you care, wheather you actually do or not.)

안녕히 계세요. - Good Bye, take care. (you say this ONLY when you get OUT of their house.)

안녕히 가세요 - Same as above (You say this ONLY when when get OUT of YOUR house or when you are outside.)

[miyavisoap]

nyahaha ur not the only korean!!! dont forget bout me!

just to add something...

고맙습니다(go-map-sup-nee-da)=Thank you
사랑합니다(sa-rang-hap-nee-da)=I love you

[student_sol]

Thought there should be an introduction to Hangul here, and here it is! :p



Hangul is the Korean alphabet which is organized into syllabic blocks. The syllabic block consists

of at least 2 jamo from 24 simple jamo and 27 other jamo (which consists of 2 or 3 simple jamo).

Jamo are the units that make up the Korean alphabet. (There are total of 51 jamo)



The apparent complexity of Hangul to foreigners come mainly from the use of 'syllabic block'

system. Unlike Roman alphabet, which uses a linear writing system (each alphabet is written

after one another from left to right to form a word), Korean alphabet has to form a syllabic block

to be considered a 'letter'.



For example:

Korean: 비빔밥
English: bi-bim-bab

ㅂ+ㅣ = b + i
ㅂ+ㅣ+ㅁ = b + i + m
ㅂ+ㅏ+ㅂ = b + a + b


빔

ㅂ(b) = initial position

ㅣ(i) = medial position

ㅁ(m) = final position



비 here is considered as one syllabic block, or letter in Korean. Therefore 비빔밥 is a word

consisting of 3 letters (bi-bim-bab). Although there are 51 jamo in modern Hangul, there

are theoretically 11172 possible number of different syllabic block combinations (although 2350 is

enough for 99.9% usage) which is why Hangul can be so daunting to foreigners initially. Note that

all syllabic blocks must have at least one consonant and a vowel. The initial and final position is

always a consonant, whereas the medial position is always a vowel.



한글 - Hangul, the Korean alphabet

Simple jamo (24)

-Consonants (14)

ㄱ - G (Google, Gastric, Gate)
ㄴ - N
ㄷ - D
ㄹ - L/weak R
ㅁ - M
ㅂ - B
ㅅ - S/t*
ㅇ - blank/ng**
ㅈ - J (Jessica, Jack, Jade)/ "J + weak 'ch'" sometimes
ㅊ - ch
ㅋ - K
ㅌ - T
ㅍ - P
ㅎ - H

*When ㅅ(S) is used in final position of syllabic block, it can act as a t/d.
(Actually its a 'd' but with the strong accent like 't')

For example:

못 is pronounced as mo(t)
숏다리 is pronounced as syo(t)-da-ri

The only exception to this rule is when the next syllabic block starts with ㅇ(blank/ng).

For example:

못이...is pronounced as mo-si, not mo(t)-i
맛있다 is pronounced as ma-sid-tta, not ma(t)-it-tta

**When used in final position of syllabic block, ㅇ(blank) acts as a ng

For example:

앙 is pronounced as ang
창 is pronounced as chang


-Vowels (6)

ㅏ (아) - a [a]
ㅓ (어) - eo [ʌ] bus, gun, but
ㅗ (오) - o [o]
ㅜ (우) - u [u]
ㅡ (으) - eu [ɨ] roses, not [ə] for roses in Australian dialect
ㅣ (이) - i [i]

-Semi-vowels (4)

ㅑ (야) - ya [ja]
ㅕ(여) - yeo [jʌ]
ㅛ (요) - yo [jo]
ㅠ (유) - yu [ju]



Other jamo (27)

Now the hard part. If you don't already know Hangul, DO NOT attempt to read all the rules

and exceptions here. Trust me, I doubt most Koreans are even aware of them (even though

they unconsciously pronounce them correct) and most Koreans would have no difficulty

at all understanding what you're saying even if you read them directly. It's just like

pronouncing banana as "ba-na-na" instead of "bənænə" if you ask me...

It will only add to your confusion so just ignore them :)



These jamo are made by combining 2 or 3 simple jamo together.

Please note that some of these jamo has no equivalent pronunciation in English. I've

just added what appears to be the closest match but even a 'closest match' may not come close

to the original pronunciation.

-Double letters (5)

ㄲ - gg~kk (ㄱ+ㄱ, g + g)
ㄸ - dd~tt (ㄷ+ㄷ, d + d)
ㅃ - bb~pp (ㅂ+ㅂ, b + b)
ㅆ - ss/t* (ㅅ+ㅅ, s + s)
ㅉ - jj~zz (ㅈ+ㅈ, j + j)

Double letters means strong accent...

*when ㅆ(ss) is used in final position of syllabic block, it can act as a t or d, just like ㅅ(s/sh).

For example:

있다 (iss-da) is pronounced as 읻따 (i(t)-tta or id-tta)

The only exception to this rule is when the next syllabic block starts with ㅇ(blank/ng).

For example:

있었어 is pronounced as 이써써 (i-sseo-sseo), not i(t)-eo(t)-eo

-Consonant clusters (11)

Consonant clusters can only be used in the final position of syllabic block.

Only one (dominant) consonant is read and the other one is ignored.

jamo dominant(ignored) ('carry over')

ㄳ-----------g(s)----------ㅆ(ss)
ㄵ-----------n(j)-----------ㅈ(j)
ㄶ-----------n(h)*---------ㄴ(n)
ㄺ-----------(l)g**--------ㄱ(g)
ㄻ-----------(l)m----------ㅁ(m)
ㄼ-----------l(b)***-------ㅂ(b)
ㄽ-----------l(s)-----------ㅆ(ss)
ㄾ-----------l(t)-----------ㅌ(t)/ㅊ(ch)****
ㄿ-----------b(p)----------ㅍ(p)
ㅀ-----------l(h)*----------ㄹ(l)
ㅄ-----------b(s)----------ㅆ(ss)

'Carrying over'

When a syllabic block has a consonant in final position and the next syllabic block

starts with a ㅇ(blank/ng), the consonant is carried over to the next syllabic block

when pronouncing them.

For example:

덮어 (deop-eo) is pronounced 더퍼 (deo-peo)
맞아 (maj-a) is pronounced 마자 (ma-ja)

If there's a consonant cluster in the final position of syllabic block, and the next syllabic block

starts with ㅇ(blank/ng), only the consonant on the right carries over/influences the

pronunciation of the next syllabic block, and the remaining consonant becomes dominant.

Exceptions to this rule are ㄶ,ㅀ where the ㅎ(h) is ignored completely.

For example:

앉아 (anj-a) is pronounced 안자 (an-ja)
싫어 (silh-eo) is pronounced 시러 (si-leo)

*When the initial position of the next syllabic block is ㄱ,ㄷ,ㅂ,ㅅ,ㅈ, (g,d,b,s,j),

the pronunciation of these jamo changes to ㅋ,ㅌ,ㅍ,ㅆ,ㅊ (k,t,p,ss,ch) respectively.

For example:

많다 (manh-da) is pronounced 만타 (man-ta)
굻지 (gulh-ji) is pronounced 굴치 (gul-chi)

**When the first jamo of the next syllabic block is ㄱ(g), the ㄺ changes the pronunciation

of ㄱ(g) to ㄲ(gg/kk). For example:

밝기 (balg-gi) is pronounced 발끼 (bal-ggi)

When the first jamo of the next syllabic block is ㅎ(h), the ㄺ changes the pronunciation of

ㅎ(h) to ㅋ(k). For example:

밝히다 (balg-hi-da) is pronounced 발키다 (bal-ki-da)

***In the special case 밟 and 넓, ㅂ(b) in ㄼ becomes dominant and ㄹ(l) is ignored.

For example:

밟다 (balb-da) is pronounced 밥다 (bab-tta)

****Special case in 'carrying over' when the medial position of the next syllabic block

is ㅣ/ㅑ/ㅒ/ㅕ/ㅖ/ㅛ/ㅠ. For example:

홅이다 (holt-i-da) is pronounced 홀치다 (hol-chi-da)

-Diphthong/contour vowels (11)

ㅐ(애) - ae [æ] bat, apple
ㅒ(얘) - yae [jæ]
ㅔ(에) - e [e]/[ɛ] (bell)
ㅖ(예) - ye [je]
ㅘ(와) - wa
ㅙ(왜) - wae [wæ]
ㅚ(외) - we
ㅝ(워) - wo [wʌ]
ㅞ(웨) - we
ㅟ(위) - wi
ㅢ(의) - ui [ɨi]



QWERTY keyboard?

For the unlikely situation where you'll need to type Korean, here's a layout of the Korean

keyboard... You can easily change the keyboard language in windows xp, just remember that you

have to add it first in the small box at the right-hand corner of the screen. Here's a Korean site

for Korean -> English dictionary which I think is quite good: http://endic.naver.com/

But you can just 'google' it if you don't like the Korean interface.

Here goes...

q = ㅂ(ㅃ)*
w = ㅈ(ㅉ)*
e = ㄷ(ㄸ)*
r = ㄱ(ㄲ)*
t = ㅅ(ㅆ)*
y = ㅛ
u = ㅕ
i = ㅑ
o = ㅐ(ㅒ)*
p = ㅔ(ㅖ)*

a = ㅁ
s = ㄴ
d = ㅇ
f = ㄹ
g = ㅎ
h = ㅗ
j = ㅓ
k =ㅏ
l = ㅣ

z = ㅋ
x = ㅌ
c = ㅊ
v = ㅍ
b = ㅠ
n = ㅜ
m = ㅡ

Note that not all the jamo are on the list... But all simple jamo are there so you can

combine them to type those that are not on the list...

For example:

ㅙ can be typed by ㅗ+ㅐ
ㅄ can be typed by ㅂ+ㅅ
ㄸ can be typed by shift + ㄷ

and so on.

*The characters in bracket () can be typed by shift + key.



And that's about it, until further update. If anyone needs help translating Korean, then feel free

to ask me as a last resort... I'm not that free at all but just send me a PM and I'll see what I can

do about it...

[mewzoey1234]

i need help reading this http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/55794/1 can you tell me what they are talking about please .

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[student_sol]

i need help reading this http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/55794/1 can you tell me what they are talking about please .

Could you be more specific? Do you mean you want a simple summary of

volume 2, or do you want translations for the whole thing?

You can wait if there are any scanlation groups working on it right now,

but I can post a "very literal" translation if there aren't any.

[mewzoey1234]

well nobody is translating it right now . if you can do a literal translation that would be awsome but if you can't just a summary is ok to .

[student_sol]

well nobody is translating it right now . if you can do a literal translation that would be awsome but if you can't just a summary is ok to .

I'll try and post a LQ scan... You'll have to wait a few days though.

[mewzoey1234]

ok thanks

[LadyHyacia]

I guess I could add this too... Can I? Generally, in school-life manhwa these terms appear.

점심사러 가자/ 점심사러 가야지...
Jumshimsarukaja/Jumshimsarukayaji
Lets go buy lunch/We have to go buy lunch

우리 땡땡이치러 가자...
oo-ri ttengttengichiruhkaja
Let's go play hookie

보충수업...
Bochoongsoo-up
Supplementary lessons

[Fynela]

woww...this certainly is hard...I have just started to study Korean recently and it really is confusing...I don't know how to read it correctly 'till now..but so far, I have memorize all the hangul...I write it like everyday so everytime I see hangul, I'll keep my eye on it and happy when I actually know what's written...but I don't know the meaning though T_T

[Charlie]

There is a lot of helpful videos on youtube. I dont have any links at the moment. Maybe I cant post them tomorrow if I find them. But in the meantime try giving a search for korean learning or help videos. It should be useful.

[takayuki]

Thank you guys, korean people , so much. Im so grateful. Im currently starting learning korean. There are many korean live in my neighborhood (its nickname is korean town). I really want to have a chat with them.

[ehlboy]

Hi all. I know basic korean and am having a hard time looking for a place with some good intermediate korean... Any suggestions? Ty for any suggestions

I tried to translate some korean manga but rely heavily on a korean-english dictionary... :p

edit: Ok so I'm guessing not many people here know some good sites so I'll start posting some of the ones Im finding into one huge list .... i might add some reviews

http://www.language.berkeley.edu/korean/10/index.htm
Review: By far IMO I think this is the best one. It has text with smooth audio and has translations towards the bottom. ;]

https://www.learn-korean-now.com/intermediate/intermediate_korean.php
Review: Not sure how this site works but you have to register to access their courses. I dont know about you guys but Id rather not register...

http://www.hawaii.edu/uhpress/realaudio/klear/int1/
Review: seems to have good lessons but it all downloads as .RAM and I'm not sure how to open it. More on that later though if I figure it out.

Okay. These are all audio files that can be played from Real Alternative so if you like audio, this is for you.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16045419/Lower-Intermediate-Korean-Lessons
Review: skimmed this over. It looks like a compiled PDF thats really helpful since it privdes korean text along with an english translation below. My only complaint so far is the korean written in english part...

[Kyouria]

Here's a useful guide I found for new learners and old to brush up on some grammar: LP's Korean Grammar Guide (http://parksguide.blogspot.com/). I'd also recommend VisionWorks' Hangul Phonics. And as for typing, I remember this free tool 뽁뽁이 타자 (BBTaja) that teaches you how to type Korean--my typing speed increased using this program.

If you have any questions or need help, I'm willing to help. ^^ Just drop a PM.

[The_kid]

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2ls72qg.jpg

I'm trying to have these characters typed out and am looking for a korean writing pad, similar to huazidian.com (chinese writing pad) with menu etc.
Is there any known writing pad available?

[mikkih]

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2ls72qg.jpg

I'm trying to have these characters typed out and am looking for a korean writing pad, similar to huazidian.com (chinese writing pad) with menu etc.
Is there any known writing pad available?

Have you used Korean IME by Microsoft or google? They are free.

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Re: The Korean Study Thread
http://i47.tinypic.com/1z4v6lh.jpg
독행랑 dok heng rang (lonewolf / sollitute)
I've been wondering if the middle one is correctly written...
although a friend of my did mention that koreans do make often grammer mistakes while writing them...
so i'm really not sure if it's right written.

I've tried anything i could and get my hands on... but so far unable to get the 3 characters that are
displayed above... a friend of my gave me them ..
Since your post was a character recognition+accuracy related question, I have made a normal thread on TA main board: link (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2990025-Korean)

Please continue your general discussion on Korean study subjects here.

Edit/add:
To All: To reply the question The_kid posted, please use the thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2990025-Korean).

Edit/Add2
I made a post in the thread to answer the question.