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njt

December 08, 2005, 08:26 PM

OK, here is another thread that we merged with all the various topics concerning the Akatsuki. As of now this is the first thread dedicated to Akatsuki, it's members and their whereabouts only. Please don't get of topic too far and don't spam (or else we'll use Tsukuyomi and you'll be under it for three days :kukuku)

Here are the links that have been included in here (will be made larger later):

The members of Akatsuki
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg25673#msg25673

Predictions about Akatsuki
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg8211#msg8211

Kurenai having some relation with the Akatsuki leader?
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg6931#msg6931

Akatsuki's Final Goal
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg33632#msg33632

Is it Possible that Jiraya Sama is the Akatsuki leader??
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg47744#msg47744

Zetsu---Dojutsu?
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg14573#msg14573

This has probably been asked, but is Itachi really bad?
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg11015#msg11015

How strong really is Itachi?
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg35069#msg35069

Itachi & Kisame Chakra
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg31645#msg31645

Is Deidara male or female?
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg39774#msg39774

Deidara: Rocky style comeback?
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg39518#msg39518

One jinchiruuki to One Akatsuki
http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=537.msg56386#msg56386

Wraith

January 06, 2006, 12:24 PM

We all know that the akatsuki has some shape shifting jutsu, and we have also seen kurenai turn into a tree. Also in the description of te akatsuki leader on wikipedia it says his eyes resemble those of kurenai's. Also the Akatsuki leader seems to be the only one human, other then Itachi. Seeing as how we don't have much information on Kurenai, this theory is pretty shabby but still plausible don't you guys think?What do you guys think about this?

Sorry if this is in the wrong section but i didn't know where to put it.

Dragonzair

January 06, 2006, 02:01 PM

I've lways tough about this. It clearly showd that their eyes are both alike. Though Inane once edited it, and made it look like a Sharingan. @____@

Don't know why...but anyway. We won't really know. Kishimoto hasn't really given us a backgroud for Kurenai either. What if the eyes were just passed on genetically through different families because of...an incident or something?

Or maybe that's why Kishimoto hasn't really given Kurenai a backgroud just because of this? Maybe they are relted somehow?

I'd be happy to know that there'd be more stuff on Kurenai then. ^_^ Just as long as sh'es not evil, I'm fine.

Oh, btw. Kurenai doesn't have shape shifting jutsus. ^_^ She's just using her genjutsu.

Zenith

January 06, 2006, 02:06 PM

The part with kurenai changing into a tree is just a normal genjutsu technique. It's an illusion, not a real shape-shifting one. And the technique used by the akatsuki leader is sorta like body-mind-transfer thingy. So it's not shape-shifting either...those people probably used henge no jutsu to transform and then their minds are being transfered/taken over by kisame & itachi. About the eyes...i'm not sure coz there's nothing revealed yet. And what do you mean by the akatsuki leader's the only human other than itachi? Isn't deidara one too? Btw, we havent seen the true face of the akatsuki leader...so it can't be certain that he looks like a normal human (w/o weird resemblances to animals, eg: kisame, orochimaru) And we don't know about the other remaining akatsuki members either.

Gold Knight

January 06, 2006, 05:15 PM

Funny that this topic came around because I was just drawing Kurenai today and thinking the same thing about her eyes as being possibly related to that of the Akatsuki's leader.

I think the biggest relationship may be in the jutsus they use than any blood relation, though.

Like already said before, Kurenai is obviously an experienced genjutsu (illusion-casting) user, BUT I also happen to think Shouten no Jutsu counts as a sort of genjutsu type of spell, too. (If somebody finds out otherwise, say from a Databook page, please let us know.)

Perhaps amazing genjutsu users just happen to have weird eyes more often.

Meijin no Kori

January 06, 2006, 05:41 PM

Anax

January 09, 2006, 01:19 PM

I have to agree with Meijin on this one, not because of any listings, just because body-mind transfer doesn't seem like an illusion to me. You could also think of Jiraiya's explanation to Naruto, where he says that Genjutsu atempts to alter the neural signals to your brain, creating halucinations that feel just like the real thing. Genjutsu should require so much chakra control that it amazes me!!
Kurenai is loveable but the way Itachi handled her last time they met makes me kinda sad. Then again he made laughing stock out of Kakashi so, I guess we could see a new and improved Kurenai after the timeskip. It'd be great if we'd get to see a new genjutsu/ninjutsu of hers :tem
As far as eyes go, in my mind things are simple. People tend to "feel" the mental power of others from their eyes. Some cultures even call them the windows of the soul. The eyes are probably an archetype that depending on the gaze measures mental power. Snakes are said to hypnotize with their eyes, there's a rumour of a Kung Fu technique where the user scares his opponent by looking at them directly in the eyes, thus rendering them unable to fight, and lastly the various eye colors might have inspired our ancestors to create detailed myths and legends. Where I come from they say that people with blye eyes are best guarded against "the evil eye" and they can affect someone with it unconciously more easily than people with darker eye colors. I've heard that in other cultures the color most feared for the evil eye is black and elsewhere grey. Also, in Greece they say that when someone goes mad either because they're angry or drunk their eyes "sparkle" or turn "crimson". Quite surprisingly I've heard that a hypnotist relies on their voice rather than their eyes and also that the sense of smell is far more related to primitive reflexes and mechanisms of the brain thus making brainwashing via the use of scents possible... How many animated series/movies are there that show a woman whose perfume makes men fall in love with her? That's mostly due to feromones, a special kind of hormones that activate our primitive mating mechanisms sending us in a frenzy! Scientists, however, also say we've lost the largest part of our receptors located in our noses, which have been rendered null through evolution or mutation or whatever you choose to call it. Ok, that's all the information related to the matter I could draw from my memory...

icecoldsoul18

January 14, 2006, 08:49 AM

So far we have seen 5 members of Akatsuki: Itachi, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, and the member who went around and ate the two people possessed by Itachi and Kisame. There is potentially Tobi, though Deidara supposedly started choking him, so I don't really know if he lived.

Itachi: From the Leaf, and so far mainly a genjutsu battle type. Has the Mange sharingan and probably the best doujutsu fighter in the series.

Kisame: From the Mist, uses his sword Samehada and fights with a combination of sword attacks and suiton ninjutsus.

Sasori: From the Sand, uses puppets to fights.

Deidara: Battles using clay that he changes into explosive clay. I'm going to predict he's from the Earth country due to the clay attacks.

There now remains that strange character who dines on people and then 4 more members. We've yet to see a character who fights based almost completely on taijutsu though Kisame might fall under that, and one who uses mainly ninjutsu. So I predict there will be two more characters following both of those. There is also the Cloud village missing from the list so far, therefore I also think we will be seeing a member from that village as well. As there has been no pictures of the fighting tactics of the cloud I can only guess it's going to be alot of sky based attacks. Fire, water, wind, and earth have all been accounted for. The last element is supposedly metal, but I don't see metal and sky working together, so it's probable that this member is going to be using lightning elemental attacks. My prediction for the future members of Akatsuki: 1. taijutsu user, 2. ninjutsu user, 3. one from the cloud village probably a combination of ninjutsu and flying around the enemy. The last member is going to be the leader.

And has anyone else noticed this? The members of Akatsuki supposedly paired off and began collecting things related to jutsu, according to Jiraiya. But there are 9 members, which means that there's either a group of 3, or there is a member who is by himself. I think the leader is by himself doing who knows what. Anyone else have any predicitons regarding the Akatsuki?

murai

January 14, 2006, 11:55 AM

The plant guy's name is Zetsu. Its believed he's from the Grass village.

walkie

January 14, 2006, 11:58 AM

So far we have seen 5 members of Akatsuki: Itachi, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, and the member who went around and ate the two people possessed by Itachi and Kisame.

the guy you are talking without name is Zetsu, if i remember right.... zetsu was the one who ate bodies...

And has anyone else noticed this? The members of Akatsuki supposedly paired off and began collecting things related to jutsu, according to Jiraiya. But there are 9 members, which means that there's either a group of 3, or there is a member who is by himself. I think the leader is by himself doing who knows what. Anyone else have any predicitons regarding the Akatsuki?

about jiraiya stuff, i dunno :blink may be mistranslation you or i have :notrust but akatsuki is moving in groups of 2...itachi-kisame, sasori-deidara...orochimaru was a former member and because he still has ring, he is not replaced..so leader is the one without teammate i guess...and it was zetsu, oro's former teammate, because he moves alone (a theory of mine)....

http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/8154/ak3cr.jpg

here is the members...at very left kisame, at very right deidara, the one upside down Zetsu, crowling one is sasori, below of zetsu is itachi...the one next to deidara is the leader i guess...

i do not think there will be only taijutsu user because every member we have seen was special...
itachi---> best doijutsu (eyes)
kisame---> samehade and super strength
deiara--> his hands
sasori-->he was himself was a puppet
orochimaru (former member)---> looks like snake more than human
Zetsu--> his half is black and other half is white, speking to himself, looks like plant

even if someone is taijutsu user, probably the biggest one :), he should have something special to himself, i guess. he should be different from Gai at least...

ShgnLW

January 14, 2006, 12:00 PM

Good theory, but you forget one thing in order to become a member of akatsuki you must have superior fighting skills and a special ability.your strength has to be as high as or maybe even higher than a kage, considering the fact Orochimaru was once one of the Akatsuki and that Sasori killed the fourth Kazekage.

now I come to think of that, Akatsuki ORIGINALLY had 9 members, but Oro left right? i do not know if somebody else took his place but whatever.

We can see a view things:
Itachi, Sasori and Deidara are all ranged fighters (well, maybe sasori has also got close quarters experience but mainly a puppeteer is weak @ close combat).
Tobi looks like a close combat figure to me, and there is no doubt that Kisame is also a close combat fighter.

Indeed, just what you said icecoldsoul18, there has to be one or maybe two other fighters who are specialized in close combat, but i doubt that there is somebody who only or mainly uses Taijutsu like Gai or Lee.

BTW> the Cloud village doesn't train ninja's if I'm correct, don't know for sure but i can remember something that the second Zabuza fight (where Zabuza died) was in the cloud village. the cloud village was a poor country who didn't train ninja's. Instead they had merc's who worked under the supervision of Gato.

But you have an interesting theory regarding akatsuki. I'll give my theory about the techniques of the akatsuki some other time, time to sleep for me ;)

icecoldsoul18

January 14, 2006, 01:05 PM

walkie: Sasori says before he starts fighting that he knows all about Orochimaru because originally he was his partner, so I know Zetsu isn't. In addition, in that picture of Akatsuki there are 9 people there so they had to have gotten someone to replace Orochimaru. And I agree that there isn't going to be someone who is a pure taijustu user like Gai or Lee, I didn't mean to imply that. What I meant is they use taijutsu as their main style of fighting but they have something else special about them, possibly super speed or some deal like that. It's fairly obvious that every member of Akatsuki has superb ninja abilities as well as some aspect that makes them unique. Oh and yeah Jiraiya says that, it's in a flashback of Kakashi's during his first fight against Itachi. That's the time when Jiraiya asks Kakashi to leave Naruto to him.

ShgnLW: just to correct you sasori killed the 2nd kazekage. The 4th was Gaara's father who was killed by Orochimaru. And the fight against Zabuza wasn't in cloud village that was some other place. I know Cloud village exists because back in Volume 12 when Neji talks about his past, the ninja who kidnapped Hinata and was then killed was an ambassador from the cloud village who had just signed a treaty with the leafs. So yeah cloud village definetly has ninjas. And I'm quite interested into hearing what your theory is.

walkie

January 14, 2006, 01:46 PM

hmm...i am suprised..may be you or i have some mistranslations...i checked the fight between sasori and sakura and chiyo-sama, and didnt see anything about sasori and oro being teammate..i dunno....

but i am pretty sure orochimaru isnt replaced..because akatsuki was originally 10 members...and they are going to kill oro because they want ring back...ring has some meaning for them nobody knows exactly yet...(thats why deidara was looking for his ring and tobi needed to find sasori's ring)

icecoldsoul18

January 14, 2006, 02:05 PM

It's in chapter 267 page 4 on my translation. Sasori says "...Indeed, I was originally partnered with Orochimaru in Akatsuki, so we did many things..." So yeah you can look on yours and see if we have different translations.

Well my reasoning for Orochimaru being replaced is that the most powerful beast in Japanese mythology is supposedly the nine-tailed beast. So I figured there were tailed beasts from 1 to 9. So I guess I just assumed there were only 9 members. I guess I could be wrong, it would explain how it was possible for everyone to form partners. Yeah I agree that the ring symbolizes something, possibly allows them to get through a barrier in some place or something. What I'm really wondering is where are they keeping the tailed beasts they have so far. Now they have 3 of them, and they could have formed new jinchurrukis but who knows.

bebong

January 15, 2006, 12:05 AM

One member should be a 100% girl...

ShgnLW

January 15, 2006, 12:20 AM

Yeah i thought about that too ya know

A female Ninja withij Akatsuki, maybe the leader IS a girl :D naah, j/k, he's a man alright.

@coldice: Srry, I remember now Sasori killed the 2nd :D

My theory: One of the Akatsuki members should be a medical Ninja, maybe Shizune is really an Akatsuki Spy!! :D:D:D Whatever the facts are I just don't trust Shizune, I don't know why, it's just a feeling...

One of them (the big one on the picture) is somebody who has the same ability as Chouji or something, maybe a surviver of the earth village (or rock village, which is mentioned in the Kakashi gaiden).

Tobi=Obito, I am very sure of that. For people who know me from other forum discussions related to this subject knows that I think that the Kakashi Gaiden has a 'deeper meaning'. I think they purposely made the Kakashi gaiden as an introduction of a new character - Tobi, who is in fact Uchiha Obito.

Also, I think that the leader himself was someone just like Naruto, with a Bijuu sealed within him when he was a baby. Other Akatsuki members should have a bijuu inside of them, too, if you believe what Deidara said about the fact they already captured 2-3 jinchuuriki

That's all for now ;) going to my g/f now :D

walkie

January 15, 2006, 02:23 AM

It's in chapter 267 page 4 on my translation. Sasori says "...Indeed, I was originally partnered with Orochimaru in Akatsuki, so we did many things..." So yeah you can look on yours and see if we have different translations.

in chapter 267 page 4 : it's ture akatsuki originally had ties to orochimaru, so things did go on....-->this is what i have :oh i will ask translators in this forum for better info ;) i will let you know, or you can ask yourself too if you want....

i disagree that akatsuki members has bijuu inside them..they may be able to use powers of bijuu's that they have captured but not inside them...because akatsuki exract bijuu's out of people and seal them, remember gaara stuff....if one member has bijuu, then his bijuu should be exracted and sealed....

Calibur

January 15, 2006, 05:23 AM

Tobi=Obito, I am very sure of that. For people who know me from other forum discussions related to this subject knows that I think that the Kakashi Gaiden has a 'deeper meaning'. I think they purposely made the Kakashi gaiden as an introduction of a new character - Tobi, who is in fact Uchiha Obito.

i have no means of offending you, but let it be, obito is dead, half of his body was crush by a big rock, and his left eye was given to kakashi. then later more rocks came falling down and buried obito. even with medical jutsu whatnot, there is no way of him being able to walk again and running around. its just a concidence. this is my two cents on that case. im not going to argue.

but anyways onto the topic dicussion, who is the dude next to sasori? (to his left, our right)

icecoldsoul18

January 15, 2006, 05:50 AM

walkie: yeah we'll find out if it's just a mistranslation on mine or what not. Though my version is the one by inane, so i trust it to a certain extent. And actually they could have bijuu sealed inside them, we don't actually know what they're using the bijuu for so it's possible they want the power of the bijuus themselves in order to do something. But haha knowing japanese manga here's what they're trying to do. They're trying to capture all the bijuus in order to release some crazy powerful beast at some ancient shrine that they know about. Because i think akatsuki means destiny (i have a song called "akatsuki no kurama" and in english it's called "wheel of destiny". Maybe the name actually means something.

ShngLW: I'm not so sure about a character having the same ability as chouji. Kishi doesn't seem to like giving multiple characters the same kind of powers, but yeah one of those other people are probably from the rock village. As for your Tobi=Obito idea, it's possible since Kishimoto likes twisting so much. But I severly pray that's not true since there is absolutely no way Obito should have survived that rock slide.

Calibur: That's one of the characters we've yet to see. So no one aside from Kishimoto knows who it is.

KaiserRyuujin

January 15, 2006, 05:58 AM

i have no means of offending you, but let it be, obito is dead, half of his body was crush by a big rock, and his left eye was given to kakashi. then later more rocks came falling down and buried obito. even with medical jutsu whatnot, there is no way of him being able to walk again and running around. its just a concidence. this is my two cents on that case. im not going to argue.

Thaank you, its true the kid is long dead and gone! They had the Kakashi Gaiden to show the obvious thing to answer that question people have been wondering for so long! Just where the hell he got his sharingan and with all intent and purpose it was done through that Gaiden. Then we got a look to Yondaime, which was extremely cool what little we saw, and just the similarities in teams probably between then and with Kakashi and his team, except well one not getting girly/emo and leaves. *rolls eyes*

Yeah, Im also against the thought of Akatsuki having Bijuu's within, because if they already did anyway that summoned statue to withdraw Shukaku from Gaara wouldnt of had the eyes open it did. Plus you still need to keep them relatively at a level that can be beaten. Giving one of them a demon would mean the end for a bunch of shinobi.

I look at it like, seeing how Hokage Yondaime fought at that time then with his most definate growth he HAD to die at the moment he did. Because keep someone like him around and all the events that took place most likely wouldnt have. So till the reasoning other then power is shown for Akatsuki taking the demons we can only make assumptions to no end with that.

Thing is, who will be the next target? Will Itachi and Kisame return in at a time like it is now to find the right moment and try to nab Naruto, or will we see some new Jinchuuriki? Should be fun to see ^^

icecoldsoul18

January 15, 2006, 06:04 AM

I don't think Akatsuki has the bijuu's within right now. What I believe is they may be waiting until they have all of them before putting the bijuu's inside themselves. And I do believe it's possible the leader actually is a jinchuuriki but who knows. However I do agree that Yondaime did have to die where he did since he's the most stacked ninja we've seen so far. As for the next target I'm going to guess that it'll be a new Jinchuuriki. Naruto's the main character...it would make sense that he'd be the last one, but as Kishimoto doesn't like things that make sense we'll have to see.

KaiserRyuujin

January 15, 2006, 12:59 PM

I agree with you on the bijuu, though the Akatsuki leader being a Jinchuuriki sounds...interesting though dont know we have nothing to really go on to take claim to that. Yeah, Kishimoto is something else with his story telling and it just makes me that much more anxious to see what'll happen. The thing is with the most likely new target will we get to see these ones or still be left in the dark since we didnt see the first couple they captured. It does make sense to keep Naruto for last, being he has the Kyuubi and getting ahold of that power more and more needs probably bit more preperations. Then who knows. *shrugs*

bebong

January 16, 2006, 12:01 AM

Probably Akatsuki tries to catch naruto after he harnessed more of the Kyuubi power so they can extract it faster??

walkie

January 16, 2006, 03:09 AM

Sasori
おいおい四代目っつーのは俺はしらねーぜ
hey hey, I have nothing to do with the Yondaime's death.

手引きは俺の部下がやったことだ
The one who helped was a subordinate of mine.
{Note: in this japanese they use 手引き which in the way they use it, it means as in "inside help"... so Orochimaru used someone that was a subordinate of Sasori.}

・・・確かに"暁"では元々
大蛇丸と組んでたから
色々やったが
Well yeah, in "Akatsuki" we used to be partners, and so Orochimaru and I did things and all but...[not that]

this is how njt translate's that page...i asked him for that and thanx to him he answered....i do not mean anything negative about other translators but i dont know japanese and some of my past chapters have really mistranslations..thats why i sometimes need to translate some part of them again to someone i trust ;)

so when sasori says "partners", i think he doesnt mean as a sub-team partner like itachi-kisame, but this not so clear so may be he was orochimaru's old sub-teammate, i dunno, i think nobody can speak surely for now...

i do not agree akatsuki leader is a jinchuuri :p anyway my thought is since they should be 10 members, 9 without leader will have 9 bijuus we know and then leader will get the new bijuu, if new bijuu theory is right...but until they get 9 of them or they get the new bijuu i do not think they seal bijuu's in them and become jinchuuri...otherwise the eyes of statue wouldnt be open

Zenith

January 16, 2006, 05:09 AM

I think they want to combine all the bijuus into one Mega Bijuu and then control that bijuu to do their bidding. XD

ShgnLW

January 16, 2006, 05:24 AM

Don't underestimate the power of an Uchiha ;) Obito is alive I think :D

And concidering the Bijuu: I think that some o fthe Akatsuki members have a bijuu inside of them. Dídn't one of the akatsuki said that there was 'one bijuu for each member?' in my interpretation that means that -in the end if everything goes according to plan- every member of Akatsuki have a bijuu inside of them...

And where else are the extracted bijuu?! are they buried under the ground or something? or sealed in that weird nine-hand jutsu? Wait a second, that can also be true... Whatever :D

icecoldsoul18

January 16, 2006, 06:22 AM

I know when Jiraiya first talks about Akatsuki to Kakashi he says it consists of nine members (chapter 143) so I don't think there are 10 members. Though thinking about this more, I don't think they're going to use the bijuus for new jinchuurikis nor are they going to put the bijuus in themselves. All of that seems way to simple. It's got to be something that's going to blow everyone's mind and is going to have to deal with the final/ultimate enemy in the series. Since we're dealing with the youmas, maybe they're going to use them to unseal a mega creature. Like a dragon or something lol.

Gold Knight

January 17, 2006, 06:28 AM

Well, I believe that the Akatsuki will be as following:

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1. Akatsuki "Leader". (Lightning/Cloud) A mysterious, spiky-haired man with double pupil eyes, who usually appears as a hologram to the other Akatsuki members. I think he's from the Cloud, actually - thus the cloud designs on the Akatsuki's uniforms, and his own hazy appearance. In fact, I think the Leader could be the Raikage.

In any case, we know that he knows how to do the Shouten no Jutsu, which means he can transfer the form of any of his subordinates to other subordinates. Example, he made Yuura into an Itachi clone, and likewise for the unknown subordinate who became Kisame. This must mean that he must have advanced genjutsu, but I believe he's a little more three-dimensional than that. I believe he will prove to be a jack of all trades type of shinobi, as befitting a possible Kage of any country. I think his motive is to become Kage of ALL the countries, not just one.

Partner? Likely he works on his own, being the leader of the Akatsuki (though it's unconfirmed, that certainly seems to be the role he's leading.) But he seems to have a familiarity of working with Zetsu, so that is a possibility. But if so, I think Zetsu will now be Tobi's partner, if Tobi joins the organization.

There's also a possibility that his partner may be the unknown Akatsuki member behind him in the double-spread of all nine Akatsuki together (see bottom of post). Especially if Zetsu worked on his own as a scout (and besides which, Zetsu has a second personality, so that could be considered a partner!) But I don't think so either. I think the Leader is working on his own, because he's the most powerful member.

Ring? 零 (れい, Rei) meaning Zero

Desired Bijuu? I think it will be the Goki / Houkou ( five-tailed dog ) due to its mastery of all elements.

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2. Uchiha Itachi. (Fire/Leaf) We already know about him - the brother of Uchiha Sasuke and an extremely dangerous Mangekyou Sharingan user. Former captain of the AnBU at Konohagakure. And the man who made his clan and family all but extinct. Not only a doujutsu expert, he's most likely an excellent user of genjutsu as well judging by how he was able to counter-attack Kurenai, and hypontize Naruto. Since he seemed ashamed of the Uchiha clan and their limitations (possibly a reference to the blindness and strain he may be suffering from the Sharingan), he likely is seeking for some way to rid himself of these limits - hence why he works for the Akatsuki - and to gain more power. Likely he has hatred for Konohagakure for almost dooming him to a weak, peaceful existence (had to throw "hatred" in somewhere, since he's not lacking it much.)

Partner? Hoshigaki Kisame.

Ring? 朱 (しゅ, Shu) meaning Red

Desired Bijuu? He seeks Naruto, so it's the Kyuubi, the nine-tailed fox.

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3. Hoshigaki Kisame. (Water/Mist) A battle-loving, brutal user of suiton jutsus and wielder of the Samehada, a huge chakra-absorbing sword. Originally one of the Mist Seven, an organization that Zabuza once belonged to while he was still at the "Blood Mist Village," before aspirations for power became too great and he became a missing-nin. Now 31 years old (he was 28 before the timejump). He's somewhat showy, he's also ferocious and ruthless and he has a tough time keeping down his hunger for battle when working for the Akatsuki. I suppose he just joined because he knew it would involve a lot of fighting against strong opponents.

Partner? Uchiha Itachi.

Ring? 南 (なん, Nan) meaning South

Desired Bijuu? Most likely the Sanbi / Isonade ( three-tailed shark ) - it would be perfect.

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4. Akasuna no Sasori (Sasori of the Red Sands). (Wind/Sand) The Puppet Army's genius model creator from Sunagakure. He usually hid himself in a virtually impenetrable giant half-scorpion/half-human puppet known as Hiruko. He was a gloomy individual who discarded his humanity and became a puppet himself to gain immortality and timeless beauty. He turned his own, apparently already dead, parents into puppets, using an unique ability to turn actual human beings into puppets, a skill that apparently only he possessed. Later on, he left Sunagakure and mastered a very potent kind of poison that would render a victim immobile and kill him/her within three days' time. He was actually able to defeat the best Kazekage of Sunagakure, the Third, and turn him into his favorite puppet. Apparently using mechanisms inside his own puppet body, Sasori was also able to summon and control at least one hundred puppets. I think his motive was probably to create a world full of puppets, to create everlasting beauty, a permanent life of dominance and satisfaction.

However, Sasori was eventually defeated by his grandmother, Chiyo, and Sakura in an epic battle before he was able to gain his jinchuuriki. I think he will be replaced by Tobi. ( Sidenote: His father was apparently killed by the White Fang - Kakashi's father. Whether that will play a part later in the story or not, who knows, but I don't think it will now. )

Partner? His original partner was Orochimaru. His last partner, before he died, was Deidara.

Ring? 玉 (ぎょく, Gyoku) meaning Jewel

Desired Bijuu? Probably the Yonbi / Sokou ( four-tailed wingless cockatrice ) for its poisonous nature.

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4B. Tobi. (Rain?) I think he will be replacing Sasori. I definitely don't think he's Obito. :amuse I think he's a completely new character, with a flair for the eccentric. I'm predicting he's a Rain missing-nin because he happens to remind me of the three Rain nin that participated in the Chuunin Exams that attacked Naruto's team near the end of the Forest of the Death. I see him as a sort of character that will be able to create vertigo related jutsus, and possibly be a master of kage no bunshin as well. Of course that's just a prediction. He seems like an Akatsuki subordinate that wasn't able to join up because there wasn't an opening, until now.

Partner? Since Zetsu seems to be able to tolerate him, I think he will be his partner.

Ring? He'll be taking Sasori's ring.

Desired Bijuu? I guess it'll have to be the Yonbi / Sokou too.

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5. Deidara. (Earth/Stone) The cover of Chapter 263 revealed that Deidara was indeed from Iwagakure, and a prodigy of the village at that. Not a lot is still known about him, but he's obviously an explosive expert using clay jutsus that he can create using the mouths of his hands. At this point in the series, I think Deidara is just the spontaneous kind of person who loves to do dangerous things, and that includes being with the Akatsuki. That's his motive right there - to see the world fall into chaos, explosive chaos. Simply put, I think Deidara is crazy. It's kind of ironic that Deidara is from the Earth, yet he loves flying up in the air on clay birds. I think Deidara was Orochimaru's replacement, when Orochimaru left the organization, and I also think Deidara is the youngest member of the Akatsuki.

Partner? Originally Sasori, but now --- I think one of the unknown Akatsuki members will have to be his new partner now, since he doesn't get along with Tobi, and I don't think he much likes Zetsu either.

Ring? 青 (せい, Sei) meaning Blue

Desired Bijuu? It was Gaara's Ichibi / Shukaku. He accomplished his mission.

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6. Zetsu. (Grass) Still not a lot known about him, but he's obviously a cannibal. He's also an excellent scout, and I definitely see either Hinata or Neji being an opponent of Zetsu's sometime in the future. I think he's from the Grass as well, it would only be appropriate considering his Venus Fly Trap appearance (which also is a second personality, I think.) No clue on his motives, but his appearance and odd habit of eating dead ninjas definitely seems to indicate he wasn't wanted in his own Hidden Village at some point. I also think that Zetsu is able to absorb the former jutsus and abilities of the bodies he eats. So he joined up with the Akatsuki to pursue more food and power.

Partner? I think it may be Tobi now. However, there is a possibility that, due to his double personality, he works on his own. Especially since he serves so often as a scout for the Akatsuki and that would require that he work by himself. But I think he does have a partner.

Ring? 玄 (かい, Kai) meaning Boar

Desired Bijuu? I think it's the Shichibi / Kaku, the seven-tailed badger, due to it being known for attacking from underground, and being cunning and stealthy. Truthfully it sounds more appropriate for Deidara due to its need for clay, but since Deidara already has the Shukaku...

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7-9. That leaves us the last three unknown Akatsuki.

http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/8154/ak3cr.jpg

Two I affectionally think of as "Kisame's buddies," since they're with Kisame in that double-spread shot. I think they are partners.

The third is behind the Leader, and somewhat resembles him, except he's thinner. I'm thinking he was Zetsu's partner before Tobi came along, and he'll now be working with Deidara.

I'm not going to make any more predictions than that for them, though. There's just too little info. But I'm inclined to think that they will be from different countries other than Konoha. One could be a Waterfall missing-nin, for example. There's also likely other countries that didn't participate in the Chuunin Exams that are enemies of Konoha. I'm expecting at least one of them to be from such a country.

The last three bijuu that I didn't mention are the Nekomata (two-tailed cat), Rokubi / Raijuu (seven-tailed weasel) and the Yamata no Orochi (eight-tailed snake) - the last of which I have a feeling Orochimaru already has, and I think that's the reason the Akatsuki is hunting him. Orochimaru, I think, is a jinchuuriki.

The rings that aren't revealed:

白 (はく, Haku) meaning White
北 (ほく, Hoku) meaning North
三 (さん, San) meaning Three

Orochimaru's ring, by the way is: 空 (くう, Kuu) meaning Sky

Hope you enjoyed reading all of that :amuse

KaiserRyuujin

January 17, 2006, 08:41 AM

Those are all good little descriptions you wrote up there Gold Knight. Though I dont necessarily agree with Tobi being partnered up with Zetsu. Considering we have Zetsu 1 saying how nice a boy he is, while Zetsu 2 telling him what goes down and he cant just enter being more firm against Tobi.

Also who knows if they are ALL from different villages, they could be from two the same, I mean had Orochimaru and Itachi who were both from Konoha so those extra guys could be also from Mist like Kisame or other Sand nins or who knows.

The idea of the Leader being the Kage's of Kage's is probable but that seems pretty direct, sure it'll be something with some extra madness thrown in there.

walkie

January 17, 2006, 12:18 PM

Rings theory :p

we dont know what is the real meaning of rings but it is clear that rings are important for akatsuki, note that tobi needed to find ring of sasori to become a member...

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/4864/narutoch254p16special3ay.jpg

now think that you are looking your hands as the statue does :noworry ignore numbers in paranthesis for now....

fingers---> 1 2 3 4 5 5 4 3 2 1
(9) (8) (7) (6) (5) (4) (3) (2) (1) (0)
hand-----> left right

ok now just check the rings are at which fingers...according to numbers up (not according to number in paranthesis ;))
deidara------->right hand 2nd finger (1) chapter 247
sasori--------->left hand 1rt finger (9) chapter 266
itachi---------->right hand 4th finger (4) from anime dont know exaclty chapter
kisame-------->left hand 4th finger (6) from anime dont know exaclty chapter
orochimaru--->left hand 5th finger (5) from anime dont know exaclty chapter

ok now you may need to check the statues and standings of akatsuki members in chapters 254 and chapter 255........leader is standing at the right hand first finger (0), zetsu is standing at right hand 5th finger (4)...the rest is?!?!?!? exactly standing in the fingers of numbers in paranthesis :blink and also left hand 5th finger (5), is empty no one standing, coincedence??? no i dont think so ,because it is the finger orochimaru should be :s and also do not forget that leaders ring means "zero"......which is his standing finger (0)......

rings are referring places of members should stand, but other than that may be rings have much more meaning..now another theory ;)

deidara--->(1) finger he got shukau---->one-tail
kisame--->(6) finger, everybody expects him shark bijuu--->6-tail (according to chinese tales, 6-tail)
sasori---->(9) ordered to get kyuubi--->9 tail

so i think ring also shows that whose assigned to get which tailed bijuu, since according to me leader will get the new bijuu, i told that a few posts above ;)
thats why he has (0)....
(ok, everbody thinks itachi is after kyuubi but he was not directly ordered to get kyuubi like deidara to get shukaku. first time he was with kisame, order was for both of them and second time their main goal was delay the "intruders" during seal of shukaku...also chech image below, which means they do not have to get their assaigned bijuu)...

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7315/saso8hy.jpg

anyway may be right may be wrong, all of was theory ,we will see if it is right or wrong ;)

Gold Knight

January 17, 2006, 12:25 PM

@ KaiserRyuujin

I also happen to believe that Itachi forced Orochimaru out of the organization, as the more powerful representative from the Hidden Village of Leaf though. ( Oro probably couldn't defeat the MS. )

A similar thing probably happened with Sasori - he had to force somebody else out of the organization from the Sand. And that was the last time he was forced to reveal his puppet body and use himself in combat.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Zetsu not being partners with Tobi, especially since Zetsu seems to work better on his own anyway. But it almost seems like Tobi is tailing after Zetsu, so...

But again I'm just guessing here. ;)

@ walkie

Nice theory ;)

walkie

January 17, 2006, 12:41 PM

Gold knight i totally agree with you about itachi and orochimaru stuff...it was always confusing me why oro said "he is stronger than me" stuff...when you said that i was relieved ;)

i think itachi killed uchiha clan in order to be a member of akatsuki....he needed to show his strength and he is worth to be a member....itachi also said he killed all clan "in order to reach the height", that may mean akatsuki membership because all akatsuki members are really strong and if they reach their goal they will become more powerful i guess :)

so when itachi proves he is strong enough he was replaced with oro since they are from same village, i liked that idea... :D

Cueil

January 17, 2006, 01:10 PM

ok... look at that demon capturing thing and tell me that that doesn't have something of a "Roots" feel to it...

icecoldsoul18

January 17, 2006, 01:58 PM

Wow GK that is an extremely extensive breakdown. I absolutely love it. Especially with the knowledge of what the rings say on them, as well more information about the rest of the tailed beasts it'll be much simpler to figure out new theories about Akatsuki. Absolutely gorgeous. As for walkie, I disagree about Itachi forcing Orochimaru out of the group. It seems more like Orochimaru left because whatever he wanted to do, he wouldn't have been able to because Itachi was too strong. Also when Itachi killed everyone in the Uchiha clan it didn't really seem like he was doing it so he could join Akatsuki. Honestly it seemed more like a way for him to test the power of his mangekyou sharingan. At least judging by the words he said in Sasuke's flashback.

Gold Knight

January 17, 2006, 03:16 PM

Thanks. :)

Well, I remember a translator double-checking that page out where Orochimaru said that Itachi was stronger and was the reason he left the organization, and it checked out fine. So that's why I decided that Itachi must have forced Orochimaru out. But I wouldn't be surprised if you turned out to be right and Orochimaru just left because he felt that he didn't have as much control as he thought he would in that organization. But Itachi was still a major part of the reason.

I don't think Itachi slaughtered his clan to join the Akatsuki, either. Seems a little too simple. I agree with you, judging by his words to Sasuke, he did it to become stronger.

icecoldsoul18

January 17, 2006, 07:22 PM

You know thinking about all of this, I'm starting to wonder something. Why did Itachi leave Sasuke alive? There has to be a reason, because I don't believe it was so "that he wouldn't have to feel guilty about kill the whole clan" as Sasuke thinks the reason is. Itachi doesn't seem like a character who would have a reason like that. His leaving Sasuke alive was goal he had, perhaps he wants to have Sasuke join him someday as part of Akatsuki or something.

Also there are 10 fingers, but only 9 members. So that last finger has to be something. Haha here's an idea, the leader has no bijuu. There are nine members in Akatsuki, or so we are lead to believe. The current "leader" is actually following orders from someone else who is the real leader. The goal is to gather the nine bijuu to this statue in order to release some sort of seal that is on that statue. Inside the statue is some sort of power or monster that the leader is after. The rings say: zero, red, south, jewel, blue, boar, white, north, three, and sky. Perhaps each ring (aside from 0) was a clue telling how to unseal whatever is sealed in there. The clues add up to represent all the bijuus. I don't know enough about the bijuus to know if it works, but if someone could tell me about each of them it might just work.

Zenith

January 17, 2006, 10:12 PM

Rumour has it that the 4th Hokage did NOT die. And during the battle to save Konoha, he sealed the Kyuubi's (nine tailed fax) GOOD chakra into his SON (NARUTO), who had only just been given birth to, and at the same time sealed the kyuubi's BAD chakra in himself.

After that, he left the village with his wife to protect the village from the bad chakra that would consume him in time. After leaving the village, he started an organisation made up of 9 strong shinobis (ninjas). This organisation started out as a good/benign band of ninjas and the name of the organisation is Akatsuki (spelling?). Anyway, the other 8 ninjas are required to help contain the kyuubi's bad chakra contained in the 4th. But, since the departure of Orochimaru, the remaining 7 were not powerful enough to contain the bad chakra, and consequently, it leaked from the 4th to corrupt the remaining 8 ninjas.

Now, since the kyuubi's chakra was split in 2, the bad chakra is now looking for the other part of itself to revive the kyuubi in it's former glory... thus the akatsuki are looking for Naruto, to claim back the other portion of the chakra.

I found a funny prediction on the akatsuki leader while browsing some forums. Lolz, it sure sounds very fake to me. The predictions done here are way more believable than that. Just wanna share this coz my friend seems to actually believe such rumours. Sigh~

original thread: http://forums.vr-zone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=25470&page=5

walkie

January 18, 2006, 12:51 AM

i still believe akatsuki should consist of 10 members instead of 9..because its obvious that rings are much more important than symbols...for example they do not care about hats or clothes but rings??if rings were just symbols, why bothering for searching it, deidara and tobi searched for rings....just remade them, they are normal rings...

but i guess the rings are somehow attacthed to each other or to the statue by somekind of jutsu or spell (like rings in lord of the rings ;) ) thats why they need the exact same rings....thats why they are after oro, for ring..may be they do not have to be 10 but their first group was 10 people i guess...

and i doubt if akatsuki will reach its goal (i mean collecting all bijuu's)...because they want kyuubi too and if kyuubi sealed away naruto will die or without kyuubi, naruto will be no longer special than sasuke (as sasuke said ) :blink

do i speak too much :darn

Gold Knight

January 18, 2006, 11:20 AM

I have always been bothered by how Orochimaru had a tenth ring that hasn't been taken up by any of the current nine Akatsuki, so you might be right about a tenth Akatsuki member behind the curtains, Ice.

Zenith - Some people try too hard to prove that the Akatsuki leader is Yondaime, hehe.

Walkie, actually, that's a good point about the rings being important. And you could be right, Orochimaru's ring might be what the Akatsuki are after. Who knows. Maybe the rings are supposed to become the containers of the bijuu's powers or something.

icecoldsoul18

January 18, 2006, 12:54 PM

I'm starting to wonder if they want Naruto in order to extract the bijuu. The whole scene when Naruto first meets Itachi has bothered me for a really long time. When Itachi first encountered Naruto why didn't he like knock him unconscious or something? Instead he asked Naruto to come with him. Maybe the goal requires that they use Naruto to help them in someway, not to extract the kyuubi from him. It's possible that the leader has a plan for Naruto that doesn't involve extracting the kyuubi and the rest of the members (aside from Itachi) are completely unaware of it.

Another possibility is that the rings and the bijuu are both used together to seal something inside that statue. Or maybe the rings are used to unlock a power inside of the bijuu?

Raine_Joybringer

January 19, 2006, 04:19 AM

I'm thinking over that theory that the Akatsuki being Jinchuuriki...

I don't think that any of the members would want to become one, in all honesty. Because seriously, I don't think any of the Akatsuki would be dying to have Shukaku sealed into them just so they could enjoy not sleeping and having their personality eaten away into insanity.

If anything, they probably would want to kill the bijuu, and collect up their powers/chakra afterwards. Though something does seem a little strange about it all to me... like they're working for an even higher power.

The person assigned to the Nekomata... I think that member would be a female most probably.

akahigi

January 19, 2006, 05:08 AM

my 2c - Akatsuki had 9 members and 1 leader, after Orochimaru left it became 8 members and 1 leader, thats at least what those rings tells me , there are 10. i heard some said deidara replaced Orochimaru as a member but isnt it rumoured that tobi had to retrieve Sasori rings to be a member ? Deidara had the 'Blue' ring yet oro had the 'sky' ring so i dont think he replaced oro as a member. And in one of the chapters someone said that the extracting of bijuu from garaa will take a longer time now because oro is gone i presume it as 'one man lesser'.

The only thing is how did the Akatsuki appears to be formless ( quite stupid ) except deidara and sasori when they gathered to extract Garaa's bijuu. Might be the leader's jutsu though.

Gold Knight

January 19, 2006, 09:48 AM

@ Ice:

I'm starting to wonder if they want Naruto in order to extract the bijuu. The whole scene when Naruto first meets Itachi has bothered me for a really long time. When Itachi first encountered Naruto why didn't he like knock him unconscious or something? Instead he asked Naruto to come with him.

I think it's more because Itachi did not want to risk "unleashing the beast" - or making a commotion where Jiraiya would hear him. Though he could have easily solved that by using genjutsu on Naruto.

Maybe the goal requires that they use Naruto to help them in someway, not to extract the kyuubi from him. It's possible that the leader has a plan for Naruto that doesn't involve extracting the kyuubi and the rest of the members (aside from Itachi) are completely unaware of it.

Pretty good theory. I think the Kyuubi is the most powerful of the bijuu as well, the "key," perhaps, so that may be why they weren't in a hurry to capture him. They had to capture all the other bijuu first?

Another possibility is that the rings and the bijuu are both used together to seal something inside that statue. Or maybe the rings are used to unlock a power inside of the bijuu?

I think you're probably right there.

@ Raine

I'm thinking over that theory that the Akatsuki being Jinchuuriki...

I don't think that any of the members would want to become one, in all honesty. Because seriously, I don't think any of the Akatsuki would be dying to have Shukaku sealed into them just so they could enjoy not sleeping and having their personality eaten away into insanity.

I agree with you there. Especially considering Deidara's scorn of the jinchuuriki. I don't think the Akatsuki has aspirations to be jinchuurki at all, but rather, control the nine bijuu in a different, innovative way that hadn't been realized before.

If anything, they probably would want to kill the bijuu, and collect up their powers/chakra afterwards. Though something does seem a little strange about it all to me... like they're working for an even higher power.

The person assigned to the Nekomata... I think that member would be a female most probably.

Would love if that was true, but after seeing Deidara, I'm almost afraid Kishimoto will make the female Akatsuki member look like a guy. :p The giant, maybe. XD

@ akahigi

my 2c - Akatsuki had 9 members and 1 leader, after Orochimaru left it became 8 members and 1 leader, thats at least what those rings tells me , there are 10. i heard some said deidara replaced Orochimaru as a member but isnt it rumoured that tobi had to retrieve Sasori rings to be a member? Deidara had the 'Blue' ring yet oro had the 'sky' ring so i dont think he replaced oro as a member.

You could be right, Deidara might have already been a member in his own right when Orochimaru left. Which means the Akatsuki organization is missing a 'Sky' user, I guess we could say. Good observation there.

And in one of the chapters someone said that the extracting of bijuu from garaa will take a longer time now because oro is gone i presume it as 'one man lesser'.

Yes, chapter 255, page 4.

"Three days, eh? With Orochimaru gone, shouldn't we expect it to take a bit longer?"

"If you really think so, then let's get started already."

So that could indicate that they are having to deal with a setback of not having ten Akatsuki members, but only nine.

The only thing is how did the Akatsuki appears to be formless ( quite stupid ) except deidara and sasori when they gathered to extract Garaa's bijuu. Might be the leader's jutsu though.

I think it's the Leader's jutsu, yeah.

walkie

January 19, 2006, 10:03 AM

Gold Knight

January 19, 2006, 10:52 AM

^ Yes. I considered mentioning that, but Kisame isn't Itachi. I don't think Kisame's very good at being subtle at all.

icecoldsoul18

January 19, 2006, 12:58 PM

first i thought that itachi hypnothesis naruto since naruto is too young it must be easy for itachi and his sharingan but do not forget that kisame wanted to cut naruto's arms and legs, so that naruto can not resist....

Yeah that's why I said only itachi and the leader know about it, which would explain Kisame's behavior. Though as a continued thought another thing that troubles me is if they wanted to extract the kyuubi from Naruto why would Itachi simply let him run around for 3 years? I mean if I was trying to get something powerful from a ninja that I knew could eventually become a much harder obstacle I would do it while he was still weak. Even with Jiraiya protecting him, I would still try to get Naruto while he was weak, not wait until later.

GK: I completely agree Kisame is not subtle at all. His personality is brash, outspoken, and blunt. Honestly I view him as a blundering moron who has alot of power and ninja know how. When it comes to thinking of extreme complexities he is rather lacking. Also after thinking more about the rings, if the rings do anything I think they will unseal something along with the bijuus. Something like an uber summoning/unsealing that involves the rings, and the bijuus. To unlock either a super creature (I'm going to say either a dragon, tiger, or phoenix). Then using this beast they would take over the world and each person would gain whatever it is their goal is (ex. kisame controlling the water country).

walkie

January 19, 2006, 01:23 PM

i never understood why itachi acted about sasuke more importantly than naruto/kyuubi...so i do not know what to say about why itachi let him go...but he said "if it is true about naruto than there is no need to be hasty".....so they were in no rush besides during naruto was away, they were preparing "the statue"....

plus i do not agree that if there is something special about naruto and kisame dont know it..anyway this part is just prediction

guys do not forget naruto was jiraiya with traning for not only protection...jiraiya took naruto away from konoha, why?? he also want to hide him until he becomes ready or stronger....since some members said they do not know some of jinchuuri's yet, during time jump, i guess they didnt search for any one....yes they got 2 bijuus before time jump but as jiraiya said akatsuki get on the move just before the time jump....thats why naruto was able to survive until now :D

_reticentness

January 19, 2006, 01:45 PM

I think the reason Itachi waited so long before messing with naruto again is because maybe he thought he would have a lot of trouble getting Naruto away from Jiraiya. Itachi could probably get to Jiraiya but not without a huge battle. That would probably release Naruto's kyuubi and then they'd be in a whole bunch of trouble. I think maybe Itachi wanted to be more ready to handle the situation now that Jiraiya was involved.

pjoto

January 29, 2006, 01:28 AM

lexiefaye

January 29, 2006, 04:24 AM

Sasuke witnessed the massacre in the Tsukoyomi state. And Itachi made sure he knew exactly who to blame. But why?

If it was a coverup to protect Sasuke and fool him at the same time, how did he do it? Maybe he asked Akasuki to do it for him? Maybe he just was spared from their massacre because of his Akatsuki involvement and happened to use the opportunity provided to save Sasuke and brainwash him?

I disagree. Itachi DID kill his family. It was too specific an attack for it not to have been Itachi's plan in the first place. And too personal for any Akatsuki involvement. Not only does he love Sasuke (unlike how he feels toward the rest of the clan) but even more pertinent, he also sees (only) Sasuke as someone worth keeping around and someone worth encouraging to grow. He was already mixed up with Akatsuki before the massacre (which would have given Itachi the extra final motive to willingly become cutoff from Konoha) but that had no bearing on his much more personal relationship and conflict with this brother.This is my theory in full:

I think, as weird as it seems, the massacre was actually Itachi's expression of love for Sasuke. Now, before you get all huffy, hear me out ... We know Itachi was plagued by society's limitations, arrogance and the isolation caused by genius. He was never challenged and he knows that Sasuke is probably headed down the same path. And he kills this path with the Uchiha clan. He gains the freedom and rival he craves in one blow. And why does he choose Sasuke as the rival? Not just because Sasuke has the physical ability to become as powerful as Itachi ... but I believe because by creating himself as "a wall for Sasuke to overcome, even if that means Sasuke hates him", then Sasuke never has the limitations, arrogance or isolation of being unchallenged. The Uchiha men never expressed themselves well!!!

Some believe Itachi was supposed to kill his loved ones in order to join Akatsuki, but couldnt bring himself to kill Sasuke so he took out the entire clan instead. I like this theory even if I dont agree. He saved Sasuke for a reason more complex than a need for a rival or brotherly love. The reason I still think my previous theory holds water is that even though others didn't see Sasuke's premature genius, didn't pressure him the same way, and treated him like the pathetic younger brother in comparison to Itachi, I think Itachi saw Sasuke differently. Itachi realized in little Sasuke's eyes was the potential for something even more powerful than Itachi to emerge. Sasuke was not isolated or limited when the massacre occurred, but Itachi realized that either that bliss wouldn't last, or, even sadder, Sasuke would remain a bud, never testing his potential. He also realized that Sasuke's hatred of him was the one thing that caused Sasuke to bloom. So - and I'm taking a leap here - If Itachi's goal is to see (In any way - including Murder, Manipulation, etc...) how far one can take the Uchiha skills - to discover how deep his "container" is - and he, out of love, wants Sasuke to flourish - then he can simultaneously attain these desires if he goads Sasuke into being the vessel that pushes those limits. Itachi sees this as the ultimate gift because he is providing Sasuke with everything he couldn't get but desperately wanted out of Konoha, but is able to reap the benefits as well.

walkie

January 30, 2006, 06:12 PM

I know there are people likes itachi....the way itachi looks, behaves and his talents really interesting and he is surely a character should be in story..and i also admit that when i first saw itachi i also impressed and liked him...BUT

according to me a person espically a man, should stand with his family and friends or someone precious to him, no matter what...if itachi killed his family (do not care about rest of clan), then no matter what he is a bad guy for me..may be he did for sasuke for some unknown reason..again for me whatever the reason was, he killed his family, he is bad, i can not trust someone who does not care his own family :)

if he didnt kill his family (lets say he faked sasuke, because during MS he can show anything he want), he is still not with his brother....itachi should not let sasuke alone or let gim go to orochimaru...

no matter what itachi becomes a bad guy or someone with phsycological problems... :o

Gold Knight

January 31, 2006, 12:47 AM

Nah-Nah will hate me for saying this, but I think Itachi is indeed walking the path of darkness on purpose.

I see him as the Darth Vader of the Naruto series. There's a chance for redemption, but basically Itachi chose to take the path because he was utterly unsatisfied with the peaceful existence of his Uchiha clan, their responsibilites as the 'policemen' of Konohagakure.

He wanted to be more than a 'policeman.' He didn't just want to be a 'grunt,' he wanted to be powerful.

So yeah, he's bad. And he's one of my favorite characters for being such a hardcore villian, too, so I somewhat hope that Nah-Nah's hopes of Itachi being manipulated doesn't come true.

Leen

January 31, 2006, 11:00 AM

I do like thr theory of Itachi being a good guy instead of a villian. Seeing how he spares Sasuke and wanting him to hate him, detest him and then becoming stronger and stronger every day is indeed something to be considered. However, he still has to kill his best friend to get Mangekyou Sharingan or else he wont have it at the first place. That killing already make him a villian no matter what he does next to his clan or Sasuke. But, if he does not kill his best friend and yet he cheated Sasuke that to gain MS, you have to kill your best friend, then there is still a chance of Itachi being a good guy. My stand now is that Itachi is still a bad guy. Maybe my impression toeards him will change but right now, he remains as a uber great villian to me and I like it that way.

psypho

January 31, 2006, 09:30 PM

I wanted some fresh oppinions on this one.
Could it be that the Akatsu already killed everyone in the whole town and Itachi came back and scared them away. And then used his Mangaku Sharingan thingy to make it look as if he did it, for Sasuke. In order to make Sasuke hate him, but work even harder to become stronger, as he now had a goal, to kill his brother.

If this were to be true, Itachi either killed his best friend earlier in order to get the Mangake Sharingan, or he made a pact with his friend, that he promissed he would make Sasuke strong so he could protect the village (or world) later on, and in order to do this, he would have to kill him to give Itachi the Mangake Sharingan.

The only reason I can think of, why he would do this, is because he found out about Akatsus powers in advance, and killed his friend in order to get the Mangake, but still didn't manage to kill the Akatsu, only scare them away, that way he found out he didn't have enough power to take care of them alone, so he needed help from his brother.
So, he took the blame, hardened Sasuke from his fairy-tale and made him see the real cruel world, and made him stronger.
Now he can help with the extermination of Akatsu.
Then he joined the Akatsu himself in order to get some inside information or something..

This would be great, but probably not the real deal. But I guess I can only hope.
Also, I've seen your signature lexiefaye, so I'm guessing we're both hoping for the same thing?

I'm hoping that when Itachi figures Sasuke is strong enough, he'll show Sasuke what REALLY happened that night, with his Mangake Sharingan or whatever it's called.

Oh well, I'm off to read all the Itachi/Sasuke flashbacks (guh..) again, maby I'll find some hints in there.. :)

Here's my take. The Hidden Leaf only know that it was Itachi that did in his family through testimoney by Sasuke. It was never mentioned in the manga if they found physical eveidence that suppored directly what Sasuke was saying. And no, bodies don't count as physical evidence themselves. It was only concluded that it could've been Itachi, due to the fact that Itachi was no longer present in the village. This can make anyone look guilty, even the innocent one's. (Hence, remember the singer Brandy, when she was about to get taken to the station, she runs like dumb dumb moron she really is. This was on an episode of Punk'd.)

But because all throughout the anime and manga, characters who go over this topic seem adament on Itachi's guilt, the fact that Itachi was no longer present in the village and thereby in default must be guilty is only circumstantial. That's why I must say that perhaps, there is more to the story of Itachi than what Kishimoto lets on. Doubt is left in a large container, despite the cup of guilt that has already been doused on Itachi.

I think Pjoto is right in bringing this up again. As we all like to hate Itachi for killing his family, the Tsukyomi is a doujutsu that makes you see things that aren't there. Facts and details of events and how they sequintially occur can be fabricated. Even in much greater detail for someone who is already a genius. All in all, the point is that all because Itachi forced Sasuke to relive the event, doesn't mean it was an actual event. It was shown, not lived. And through another man's interpretation, meaning Itachi's word on how things went down would be how Itachi would like things depicted. Sasuke's revelation in having lived an event like that could be brought into question.

As for reasons why Itachi did this. Yeah, despite of many a good guess by any number of people in this thread and in others. The reasons to the event can't be conclusive in any theory. What I'm saying is that I don't think we're even close in guessing as to the reason why Itachi did what he did. All actions point through sheer murderous intent, and the need for power. But since someone, like Itachi, had the gull to kill his entire faimly, just to be the only one with true power. Why allow Sasuke to live, as he'll only grow in power himself, unless, as Itachi put it. Sasuke is only going to be another test tube for later if Itachi feels it is time to make another "test run" in his abilities.

Sasuke's guess that Itachi let him live to exact revenge for their family, I think is only a byproduct of desperate self delusion. Meaning, even Sasuke can't grasp why Itachi did the things he did, and for such a gaping hole of "why" can only leave him in more an upset state. As the reason to let Sasuke live is ever a wondrous question. Thus, Sasuke makes up a reason to fill in the hole and make it so that it is definitively destiny that he would one day avenge his family. This is what Sasuke imposes on himself.

As for other characters giving their ideas, they have none, as they only got to go by what Sasuke says.

Thereby, the events and actions by Itachi can either be what they were, or there was a third person or party reason. An event that had to occur a couple of hours to maybe six to seven hours where only Itachi and the Clan had a situation that would look completely different than what Sasuke saw in the Tsukyomi. It could also mean that a third party also could have been involved. But Akatsuki involvement is a loaded barrel of salt, that has little to no relevence to Itachi's crime. It could also be said that since Akatsuki is a group of wanted criminals. Why would they try attacking a village, when they could be making money somewhere else, and for easy?

I don't think we should tack on any more Akatsuki involvement theories, as we don't have any text or glossary accounts from Kishimoto that even proves your theories on Akatsuki.

icecoldsoul18

January 31, 2006, 10:20 PM

Itachi massacred his family as a way of finding out just how strong he really was compared to the rest of the Uchihas. At least that's what i belief he did. The whole theory of someone else having done it, i just don't see that happening. He spared Sasuke for who knows what reason. Maybe he's trying to pull a toguro (from yuyu hakusho) and wants an opponent to kill him someday. Either way Itachi is a total badass so i completely believe that he was the one who killed his entire family, and that he is a bad guy. While the idea of him turning good at the end is depressing. The sole reason for this is alot of people like him and don't want him to die or something. I just think he's a badass and turning him from villain into good guy would ruin the persona that he projects.

psypho

February 01, 2006, 03:59 AM

To Goldknight,

Actually, it was Itachi that was tranfering their power into those subordinates. Not the Akatsuki Leader.

Gold Knight

February 02, 2006, 12:42 AM

How do you know that?

In page 18 of chapter 260, Sasori directly addressed the Akatsuki Leader and referred to Shouten no jutsu as the Leader's own jutsu.

Reui

February 02, 2006, 03:50 AM

I think that Itachi wasnt the one who killed his entire clan. Thats alot of Sharengan users to kill and even with his new sharengan i doubt he was capable of killing them all from what we see in his 1st and second battles with kakashi. Granted in the 1st fight kakashi isnt on par with Itachi but if there were 4-5 Kakashis they would easily over power Itachi. I think its more so that the leader of Akatsuki was the one to do it and that Itachi intervened and was easily defeated by him. This showed itachi that he was no were near capable of defeating the leader of Akatsuki so he was left with 1 option, to find someone capable of doing this. Sasuke. IF sasuke could overcome Itachi's power through hate and desire for revenge he would then maybe be capable of defeating the leader of Akatsuki.

icecoldsoul18

February 02, 2006, 12:06 PM

actually i think it's kakashi who talks about how that jutsu was the uchiha clan's during his 2nd fight with itachi. considering kakashi knows what the jutsu is, and itachi does as well, i'd assume that it was itachi's. if it was the leader's jutsu i don't really know how kakashi would know as much about it as he did.

Demon Nin

February 02, 2006, 07:39 PM

Kisame doesnt seem to be all that special so far...he does have that Samehada that absorbs chakra or whatever...but he DOES have a large amount of chakra, when his clone or whatever that jutsu is was fighting team Gai, Neji said he had as much chakra as Naruto, if i remember Kisame lent 30% of his chakra towards the removal of Shukaku, also it was some sort of clone making the chakra (possibly) lower than the real Kisame's chakra. How much chakra does this guy have? who knows lol.

psypho

February 03, 2006, 01:43 AM

How do you know that?

In page 18 of chapter 260, Sasori directly addressed the Akatsuki Leader and referred to Shouten no jutsu as the Leader's own jutsu.

Check the aftermath conversation between Kakashi, Chyo-baasama, Naruto, and Sakura. As it turns out, its actually a specialized ability of the Uchiha Clan.

Gold Knight

February 03, 2006, 01:52 AM

Actually, Kakashi was talking about the Goukakyuu no Jutsu, Grand Fireball Technique, which Yuura-as-Itachi had used. That's why Kakashi disagreed with Naruto that it was a simple henge. It was an ability used often by the Uchiha clan so that meant Yuura WAS Itachi for a while.

The Shouten no jutsu is the Akatsuki Leader's ability, as you'll see two pages following that page.

psypho

February 03, 2006, 04:36 AM

Gold Knight

February 03, 2006, 05:12 AM

Happens to us all! I've felt like a dunce here a couple of times myself. ^^

icecoldsoul18

February 06, 2006, 10:42 PM

That shouten no jutsu is one of the most ridiculous jutsus in the whole series. You take over another person's body and become that person? Man why even bother trying to get the bijuus, you could kill anyone you wanted by forcing them to commit suicide. If not that you could just take over the jinchuuruki's body and literally have he/she walk to where you are.

KRNseraphim

February 09, 2006, 01:19 PM

hatakescarecrow

February 10, 2006, 08:54 AM

This might have been said because i am too lazy to read the whole thread but if u see the chapter where Sasuke asks Itachi for training, and Itachi said no and told him to train with dad instead. Right before he leaves his eyes looked too unatural too be his normal set of eyes. I hope it helped or something.

ohh i almost forgot its not the mangekyo eye sasuke saw once.

Gold Knight

February 11, 2006, 04:25 AM

about the leader, are they really double pupils or are they sharingan? cuz i zoomed in with picture viewer and i thought they were the 3 pupil sharingan but then again i'm no where as in depth in knowledge as you some of the more dedicated people here, and where did you get the information that he's from the cloud village?

You might have been looking at Inane's blooper on chapter 254. When Inane scanlated page 15 of Chapter 254, they took the liberty of inserting Sharingan eyes into the Leader's eyes, when it was actually just double pupils. They've since fixed that by adding a substitute & more accurate page later on in another chapter to replace that page with. I wouldn't mention it to Pazuzu or anybody on the Inane staff, though, as they're very touchy about it.

Anyway, we now know - from both the manga ( the last page of Chapter 260 especially ) and the anime ( Episode 135 ) that he has double pupils and that's all.

was it mentioned somewhere in the manga only? cuz i only started reading the manga once the fillers started so from 239+ i've read so did they mention it before? but that whole cloud village thing makes sense since there are clouds on their cloaks iono i'm just curious if the akatsuki leader is the 3rd mangekyou sharingan user...

No, no, there's no mention of the Leader being from the Cloud Village, KRNseraphim. It's all speculation.

I believe that the Leader is from the Cloud Village because of the cloud designs on the Akatsuki uniforms.

As for the Leader being the 3rd Mangekyou Sharingan user, I don't think he's a Uchiha at all. However I do think Shisui may be alive and part of the Akatsuki organization, but who knows...

glasskatana

February 11, 2006, 07:36 PM

a couple of questions and comments, for one if you re-read/re-look at chapter 255, is it just me or does Zetsu have the byakugan. Also I think shouten no jutsu can only be used on someone who is your, or one of the akatsuki's subordinates. I think this because Sasori says that the two men who were killed by team Gai and team Kakashi were his own subordinates. On that note what is this 'jutsu' that Sasori would put on various people? It's like they lose their memories of him until he sees fit and then when Sasori activates it the subordinate regains his memories and becomes Sasori's slave. The whole thing just confuses me.

Galth

February 11, 2006, 07:48 PM

Sasori was able to take over (weak-minded) individuals to do his bidding, not knowing they were 'taken over' while the jutsu was in a 'sleeping' state. and indeed, looking at one of his eyes and his abilities... it does seem possible for zetsu to have perhaps 1 eye byakugan ?!? how is that possible?! ( my guess: it isn't, but whe'll see a zetsu fight eventually ). i believe the shouten no jutsu is only possible on subordinates, or weak/unexpecting people, sort of an uprade of ino's ninjutsu. shisui is dead, how else did itachi obtain the sharingan? obito could be alive, but the chance is like very very low, as he was only used to show confused readers how kakashi could have obtained the sharingan ( i believe kishimoto didn't think of how he aquired it until after he introduced the character, and used this way to make up for it... ) ehmz, i wanted to say more, but forgot what it was... i'll edit later

walkie

February 11, 2006, 08:20 PM

about sasori's mind tech.., it may be forcing people to obey sasori but i guess, people are choosing this way, to be a subordinate of sasori....(as kabuto, is willingly subordinate of orochimaru) and i also think for shouten no jutsu, ppl also accept to be like that...we dont know if they didnt killed by kakashi and gai, they would revert back to normal...and for zetsu i dont think he has byakugan because his eyes are more capable of seeing through things, arent they??(not for chakra but area)...just guesses ;)

Galth

February 11, 2006, 08:37 PM

glasskatana

February 11, 2006, 09:22 PM

so if its not byakugan then itsome doujutsu we haven't had the pleasure of seeing yet. hmmmmmmm. Can't wait until we see all of Zetsu's powers.

Galth

February 11, 2006, 09:34 PM

yeah, zetsu rules, and he doesn't have a forehead protector by the way, is he not from one of the villages? what kind of things did he do to make him an S-Rank criminal? Eat his parents, lol? Notice how he doesn't have any arms? the part of his robes that covers his arms, dunno what you call it in english, crazy is that... ("mouwen" in dutch, plz help me here ;)) just hang down from his shoulders, there's nothing in it... i really like this character, after we see him fight, i might even like him more then deidara or :kabuto

glasskatana

February 11, 2006, 09:53 PM

How is Deidara gonna remain an akatsuki member. He said himself that now that both his arms are gone,( one crushed by gaara, one teleported by kakashi), that he can't even use jutsus, or for that matter make explosive clay. I wonder if we're gonna end up seeing him again with his arm mysteriously reattached all thanks to the powers of one of the akatsuki members... yeah.

Galth

February 11, 2006, 09:56 PM

yeah, he said that, but he also said after that, that he only lost one arm forever, and after he found the other, he'd get it back on ( gotta love that medical ninjutsu!! ) - while strangling tobi offcourse - and guess WHICH hand he still has left :) yeah, that one ( "yay for handmouths!!")

glasskatana

February 11, 2006, 10:12 PM

when did he say he'd get it back on after he found it?

Hermie

February 12, 2006, 01:15 AM

I am really curious about seeing the giant Akastuki. All we have seen in Naruto so far is normal sized guys is normal sized guys fighting, and the occational monster battle. I want to see this guy dish out some major damage to the surroundings, while three ninjas are jumping around, trying to get in a hit on him.

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 02:34 AM

glasskatana

February 12, 2006, 02:43 AM

I still can't see it

Galth

February 12, 2006, 06:58 AM

me neither :p

Deidei: "now, to find that arm i have lost..." (@Tobi) "Keep your hands of that!"

And if a lowly genin can transplant eyes, the akatsuki must be able to give deidei some mouth... erm his arm back

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 08:15 AM

Follow the arrow, it's around his neck. You can see the Grass symbol. But maybe I'm just seeing things. :amuse

KRNseraphim

February 12, 2006, 11:13 AM

First i wanna thank Gold knight for clearing up that editing trick for me =)

Then about the point of the giant akatsuki he's gonna be strong without a doubt but i'm guessing he's gonna be ridiculously fast too, cuz i dont think you can join akatsuki with just pure strength alone, because they need a massive amount of chakra first, and usually taijutsu users are usually rather low on chakra capacity, so i'm guessing he's an overall round character but more specialized in taijutsu or maybe he can pick up a mountain and chuck it at hidden villages and maybe they let him in for just that c(=

As for zetsu in the anime for certain they show him as being green and i thought they showed his hitayate while writing this so i turned on my laptop and re-watched that episode and unfortunately they dont show it but he is green and he has a freaking plant growing out of him...sounds like a grass ninja because it seems that akatsuki only chooses "special" ninja's who arent only strong but really really unique in powers and if you look like a venus fly trap grass would be the best bet c(= but thats my 0.02$

Galth

February 12, 2006, 12:31 PM

zetsu is green, didn't we allready know that since, like, ages ago? guess, i'll give some more peaks at the gaara arc today to see is you can spot zetsu's foreheadprotector anywhere, as this picture isn't clear enough to see... as for the other akatsuki members, we'll see them when they are revealed, can't think of any other person we know that has a chance of being akatsuki, so i'll just wait in stead of making wild guesses

Chapter 280, page 18, on the 3rd panel you can see there's nothing around his neck...

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 03:50 PM

It still could be around his neck, down lower, or Kishimoto just forgot to add it. But yeah, nothing there. I still think Zetsu's from the Grass Village though, it would just make sense. And he was probably banished for eating people =P

Galth

February 12, 2006, 04:22 PM

if it's any lower around it's neck and we cannot see it on that picture it would be, like, around his shoulders or something :p if he has any - note that not all ninja wear their headprotectors and some great fighters are not from one of the villages, for example, post-timeskip lee/ino and shikamaru aren't wearing it all the time, as you saw lee only strapping it on after gai's team split up to look for the tags to get to gaara...

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 04:52 PM

Yeah, and we still don't even know where the heck Sasori's forehead protector came from when he dropped like a rock XD

Demon Nin

February 12, 2006, 06:28 PM

Hmm, zetsu sure does have some weird eyes, they look like some weird dojutsu, kind of like the byakugan? From what i know he can see through stuff and long distances, i mean when he came up from the ground after the Naruto/Sasuke battle it seemed he watched the whole thing, from underground? So its kinda obvious he has suprman style vision. Also he said "interesting" he may just be talking about the skills and jutsu naruto n sasuke used but maybe he has super hearing also.

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 06:45 PM

That seems to be a popular question regarding Zetsu these days - I don't think it is a Byakugan. But of course I have no evidence to back me up, it's just a gut instinct. For one thing, Zetsu certainly doesn't look like he would have inherited Hyuuga blood.

I think that Zetsu does have a scouting type of doujutsu, though, perhaps a weaker version of the Byakugan, or a similar ability inherited from a different family from a different village with more limitations.

Galth

February 12, 2006, 06:48 PM

i've just reread the zetsu parts in the manga, and i've noticed how his eyes also work differently, there are some strange... energy-whirls? don't know what to call those shapes... coming out of his eyes... when he scouts the surroundings that is, so it's not the byakugan...

from the 'akatsuki predictions' thread :) - i meant that him using his ability looks different, and his eyes are white, but are clearly not hyuuga, they have a different shape - and hell yeah! zetsu is one of the coolest characters in the manga imo!

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 06:49 PM

There's certainly more to Zetsu than meets the eye, we know that much...

I have a feeling we'll soon learn more about him after the current storyarc in the Naruto series. He seems to be the next in line of the Akatsuki for us to get to know better.

Galth

February 12, 2006, 06:51 PM

There's certainly more to Zetsu than meets the eye, we know that much...

pun not intended :D and yeah, we'll probably see more zetsu in the not-so-distant future, next arc?

ShgnLW

February 12, 2006, 06:58 PM

Zetsu has -indeed- a scout-dojutsu or something like GK said. After all, he IS akatsuki's scout :D However, I think that his eyes are not the creepiest thing about him, I mean, this guy sure is Schizofrenic...

glasskatana

February 12, 2006, 07:35 PM

@ Khaludh
I think Zetsu does have arms. In chapter 255 page 11 his shade thing has a hand in front of it holding up two fingers.

glasskatana

February 12, 2006, 07:39 PM

Perhaps Zetsu defeated and ate a hyuga main house member and somehow managed to gain the byakugan but, like kakashi's sharingan, it has limitations and weaknesses.

Anax

February 12, 2006, 07:41 PM

What I find creepy about him is those insect-like, jaw-like "formations" that seem capable of biting his own head of :eyeroll
Really know... I heard somewhere that he ate some people but I fail to recall that (and don't want to make a seperate post about it). Can someone enlighten me? Thanks in advance :amuse

metalanime

February 12, 2006, 07:45 PM

I always thought that it had something to do with his ability to emerge from plants, maybe he can see by transporting multiple bunshins through plants and/or earth as a means of travel, I never noticed anything coming from his eyes. What chapter was this?

He ate the guy who was disguised as kisame after the jutsu wore off.

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 07:49 PM

glasskatana

February 12, 2006, 07:51 PM

@ metalanime
re-read/re-look at chapter 255. Page 10 especially.

Gold Knight

February 12, 2006, 07:58 PM

I wonder if that really is his hand or his Venus Fly's Trap partner's hand =O

LoL, what is this, Zetsu day?

metalanime

February 12, 2006, 08:07 PM

i remember that now, but the way its presented, its definately not byakugan. What I found intersting about that is that jusr from looking, he was able to determine that one of the poeple was a skilled jounin from konoha named gai.

Miso

February 12, 2006, 08:12 PM

Zetsu is definitely an interesting character. Let alone his looks. He doesn't even look human with his weird face/mask and the plant scissors around his head.

Considering the topic: a doujutsu as skill isn't that unrealistic. That's on the one hand because he's the Akatsuki spy and on the other hand because he could watch the final Naruto/Sasuke battle.
Then again we should not necessarily conclude a dojutsu because of the sole fact that he witnessed the above mentioned battle. As metalanime already pointed out his ability could emerge from a plant ability.
Having said that ch 255 p 10 indicates some kind of dojutsu again because three panels focused on his eyes while the last two panels look like some kind of genjutsu technique or transporting/traveling/dimension manipulating technique to me. This must not essentially be related to a dojutsu. Perhaps the three middle panels were used to focus on using a technique in the means of concentrating or such.

Ok...and now I'm confused myself :sweatdrop.
What I want to say is: A dojutsu is not unlikely but I would not expel a non-dojutsu technique (i.e. something related to plants). Period. :p

icecoldsoul18

February 12, 2006, 09:29 PM

considering all the members of akatsuki have a ring, i'm going to guess he actually does have hands. though it's possible he wears the ring of his toes. but that'd be just plain weird. unfortunately kishimoto also falls under the category of just plain weird.

walkie

February 12, 2006, 09:35 PM

he doesnt have byakugan...his way of looking/scouting seems different than baykugan

PS: zetsu has two personality, schizophrenic may be.... i got that idea while he was taking but cant remember which chapter that was :(

Anax

February 12, 2006, 09:40 PM

Congratulations to GK for the great post some pages ago! Where did you get all that information GK? Is there a Naruto Wiki I can go to and vanish from the face of the Earth?! I'm particularly interested in learning everything there is to learn about bijuus... Generally I love all elements from Japanese and Chinese culture Kishimoto has infused the Naruto world with.

Predictable statement: I would abandon this life of mine without the slightest bit of regret to simply have Nekomata sealed within me... Then I'd cherish every moment of my new life with a cat inside me... Ok, this fantasy is starting to take on flash and bones here! I'm getting all hyped up about it! Perhaps I'll write some fan fic (mainly to please DZ and the writer within) iintroducing "Anax" the Nekomata Jinchuuriki >)

As for Akatsuki predictions: Obito or the leader being Uchiha would turn "Naruto" into "Uchiha"... We already have 3 Sharingan users, 2 of which can use Magenkyu sharingan. What is this, Dragon Ball Z Super Saiya fest? And Obito being Tobi wouldn't be the least bit of a plot twist since so many people have predicted it and doesn't seem so "out there". Manga is not real. People in manga can survive anything so long as the God (Kishimoto) decides so. Obito could be having this weird mask on his face because he is one-eyed and disgustingly deformed. The reason why I think he is not Tobi is the bond between Kakashi and Tobi. Kakashi is always often late with his meetings because he visits Obito's grave. He also has idealized him so much to be imaginarily talking to him and seeking his advice, when in truth Obito died (?) while still being an immature brat... Think how Kakashi having to face a demented and irritatingly cheerful Tobi/Obito would mess up the whole story for all of us. Since Obito died he became a symbol, an ideal, Kakashi's emotional support and ethics shaper.

The Akatsuki are many... too many for manga standards. That's why I think a lot of them will go down easily. How easily? Sasori easily. "But Sasori fought for almost a whole volume before going down". Sasori was beaten by Sakura and Chiyo for crying out loud! Think about! If Sakura and Chiyo could beat an Akatsuki member then Jiraiya should, what, take 'em on in teams of two? Hopefully it was kind of like Chiyo said and Sasori created an opening purposely. The same way manga characters inexplixably choose to die in the midst of their quest when they are the "bad" guys... Still, if the other fights are as long as that one and if the other Jinchuurilki are as important as Gaara (and if they bond with Naruto as much) then I expect to be reading Naruto to my grandchildren as a bedside story. No joke.

A friend of mine here was making a joke theory of all Jinchuuriki, united by Naruto's charming social talents that would make any politician froth in jealousy, trying to take over the world... it would be fun and it's so "out there" :p

Demon Nin

February 13, 2006, 02:55 AM

Yeah, he did know it was Gai. Maybe he can sort of look into peoples thoughts? Even though he could have learned of Gai elsewhere, its a possibility. I mean look at the guy....he's creepy lol. You never know what kind of weird ass abilities he has. Maybe he looked into too many ppls thoughts and that what made him crazy! lol!

lentharius

February 13, 2006, 07:30 AM

I believe that he left Sasuke alive solely for the purpose of getting revenge. Itachi deep deep down isn't a horrible monster like Orochimaru, and felt guilty enough about what he did that he left Sasuke alive so that some day he will be able to pay for his crimes. He chose Sasuke to be the one to eventually kill him because it seemed that Sasuke was the only one that Itachi had any sort of connection to at all. It's not like it was strong, but it at least seemed to be there.

Galth

February 13, 2006, 02:34 PM

maybe he just knew who gai was, i mean, he's one of the strongest ninja's of the leaf, together with kakashi, so the akatsuki would do well to know the strongest ninja's the major countries have right? furthermore, zetsu does not have any arms, and his leafs are like a flytrap plant, so when his akatsuki-coat comes of, we're all in for a scare, perhaps he is just a plant with legs and a head? :D - and yes, he is schizofrenic, that was made clear when he talked to himself in ch. 280 or around when he was with tobi, and accoring to some translators, his other self speaks in a different kind of japanese. i do not know japanese, but there where like some different alphabets right (?)

Galth

February 13, 2006, 03:07 PM

Well, sasori didn't go down that easily did he? he fought against the not extremely strong sakura there yeah, but she was prepared ( anitdotes ) and so had the surpirse effect, and chiyo is in no means weak either, especially since she had and could control those tne legendary puppets, who were each must stronger then sasori's mountain of barbies and kens :p quality > quantity, so he was not beaten so easily

and not all members need to be beaten,[ guess ] itachi by sasuke, kisame by gai, 'leader' by naruto, and perhaps another... zetsu? :p[ /guess ] after 'leader' is beaten, akatsuki should shatter and the objective has been reached, for now...

diegocfq

February 13, 2006, 03:57 PM

My theories (not only about akatsuki):

1- Crazy Theory.
The real leader of the Akatsuki is a sealed demon and he needs the power of the 9 bijuu to release him, or summon, or anything like that =P.

2- As everybody stated. They want the bijuus for power. They could be storing the power in that freaky statue. Or in the rings given to everybody, that would explain why the rings are so precious.

3- I think eventually Zetsu will get to be an Akatsuki member, replacing Sasori or Orochimaru if he can kill him (kukuku).

Now some other theories:

1 - If Orochimaru has a ring, why the Akatsuki didn't got him first? Simply, although Oro is not a member anymore, he is strong enough to not let any crappy ninja kill him, and for akatsuki is easy to dispose of him, after all they are all S rank ninjas.

2- The Akatsuki Leader is the one with the Shouten jutsu. I think he is probably the most non combative of the akatsuki membes. That's why he didnt went to catch bijuus himself, because he can't, but he is the only one to know how to effectively extract, store and use properly the power of the bijuus.

3- Itachi asked Naruto to come willingly because he is being hunt down, and wanted to do things sneaky so the village would not give an alarm and every capable ninja there would attack him. He may be an awesome ninja but fighting an entire village of ninjas is madness. (To those who like to use Sasori as an example, he defeated a country, but the text doesnt said that country had ninjas =P)

Hmm what more? hmm Nevermind.

Galth

February 13, 2006, 04:00 PM

3- I think eventually Zetsu will get to be an Akatsuki member, replacing Sasori or Orochimaru if he can kill him (kukuku).

Zetsu is allready in the Akatsuki, you mean Tobi :p and why kill him? he's not a member anymore, so why?

2- The Akatsuki Leader is the one with the Shouten jutsu. I think he is probably the most non combative of the akatsuki membes. That's why he didnt went to catch bijuus himself, because he can't, but he is the only one to know how to effectively extract, store and use properly the power of the bijuus.

we allready know the leader did the shouten right? he called it 'my' jutsu i believe, or somebody else ( kisame? ) said so, note: i could be mistaken... *goes to read that part again...*

furthermore: the puppets of sasori where shinobi, he goes for quality above quantity as he said, and they could fight quite well, remember? and it indeed would not have been one of the larger nations, the ones we know about are not all the nations on that map sakura showed us waaaay back in chapter 30>X or something like that...

Miso

February 13, 2006, 04:27 PM

... and accoring to some translators, his other self speaks in a different kind of japanese. i do not know japanese, but there where like some different alphabets right (?)

Perhaps it refers to speakin another dialect? Or formal in contradiction to colloquial Japanese?

I didn't bear in mind that he hasn't got arms :blink. That would mean ninjutsu would be difficult for him, ain't it? I mean he can't seal any forms because he lacks hands.
So his fighting skills might be limited to taijutsu and nin- and genjutsu by only using his eyes - which would stress the theory of a dojutsu.

Galth

February 13, 2006, 04:29 PM

some ninjutsu do not require handseals to activate, right? and note how most scanlators make the different personalities of zetsu speak with different fonts :D - and yeah, zetsu probably uses mainly genjutsu in battle...

marco10

February 13, 2006, 04:40 PM

i strongly belive itachi had a positive motive and a higher purpose in the clan scenario and throughout the whole story. I will take the vote whereby he didnt kill his family and he had strong belief in his brother. Look at the saddness and dullness tt is ever presense in his eyes. why will someone with a evil or ever power greedy present such a front. i belive this is a point to look at without implicating the many facts around itachi. anyway..all these debate really shows the beauty of Masashi Kishimoto manga ability..CHEERS

Nibi Nekomata

February 13, 2006, 04:57 PM

I think it's funny how nobody would be asking this question if he weren't a bishounen.

diegocfq

February 13, 2006, 05:05 PM

thanks for correcting me. I was talking about Tobi, but everybody was talking about Zetsu and I got confused =P

1- Tobi needs a ring. That's why he would have to kill Orochimaru if sasori ring is not disponible.
2- I don't know the name of that guy that's why I call him the guy with Shouten... and I think he's the Akatsuki leader, but he may not be =P
3- I agree with ya, but not every puppet of sasori is a hitokugutsu. And the 10 chiyo-baa sama was using was the best puppets aside from hitokugutsu. Anyway Sasori could kill chiyo and sakura if he had used the kazekage and himself at the same time... but he was wishing for the death that's why he gave an opening to chiyo =D

Iwanin

February 13, 2006, 05:19 PM

He's not bad - he's just misunderstood. :amuse

metalanime

February 13, 2006, 05:39 PM

no, if he simply knew that gai was strong, he wouldnt have said "he appears to be very skilled, his name is maito gai." This was then followed by Itachi saying "He's a Jounin from Konoha who uses Taijutsu. He's very talented so take care not to underestimate him." After this Kisame realized who it is as well. It apparently wasnt common knowledge among akatsuki, seeing as Itachi stepped in for the details. Zetsu only said that he apprears to be strong, after seeing who it was. If it was a matter of reputation, Im sure he would have said it in a different way, and itachi likely wouldnt have found it necessary to explain. We havent seen zetsu arms, but its still possible he same some. He does have sleeves, and like everyone else in akatsuki, the sleeves keep the arms hidden.

Galth

February 13, 2006, 05:56 PM

Then, maybe, he heard Gai and Lee talking to eachother, and he senses Gai's strength?!? or something like that...

Galth

February 13, 2006, 06:02 PM

He's not bad - he's just misunderstood. :amuse

d'oh!

but yeah, he has always been hard to read, and his motives remain unknown, but i feel he will eventually do something for the good guys, like killing orochimaru or something like that, but he's mainly evil imo...

hotsuma316

February 13, 2006, 06:19 PM

Itachi is what Virgil is to Devil May Cry, cold hearted men fueled by a lust for more power.

glasskatana

February 13, 2006, 11:10 PM

I posted this in a different thread before but Zetsu does have arms. Look at his body in chapter 255 page 11. He's holding his hand by his face in that 2 fingered seal position.

Galth

February 14, 2006, 05:17 AM

Yes, you're right, he does, thanks for clearing that one up :)

Hermie

February 14, 2006, 08:29 AM

Miso

February 14, 2006, 08:59 AM

1- Tobi needs a ring. That's why he would have to kill Orochimaru if sasori ring is not disponible.

Why has it to be Orochimaru? There are enough other members of the Akatsuki available to kill. Remember that he also wanted to take Deidara's ring (assuming he was dead though).
The only reason why he would choose Oro would be that he doesn't want to kill the other Akatsuki because they're loyal to the aim while Oro abandoned the group.
The question is also if it wouldn't be more practical to choose another than Orochimaru since he is a Sannin and very strong. We don't know much about this bunch of ppl but perhaps Akatsuki also hosts someone who is weaker and could be killed easier. Any ideas?

KRNseraphim

February 14, 2006, 11:34 AM

well it should be orochimaru because he has their one missing ring, i mean if its worth enough for orochimaru to cut off his own hand off his old corpse it must mean something and it must symbolize akatsuki so they need to get orochimaru anywayz and they could an initiation for tobi is to either get orochimarus ring and or kill him

Miso

February 14, 2006, 01:17 PM

... i mean if its worth enough for orochimaru to cut off his own hand off his old corpse...

Ah really? Did he do that? I haven't noticed so far! *goes back to search for this scene
(If someone knows the chapter PM me plz!)

walkie

February 14, 2006, 01:26 PM

Ah really? Did he do that? I haven't noticed so far! *goes back to search for this scene
(If someone knows the chapter PM me plz!)

we see oro's ring on hand but it is not mentioned its his own hand and he cut it off....he makes tests on people may be that hand is just somebody elses hand...

Gold Knight

February 14, 2006, 02:03 PM

Galth

February 14, 2006, 02:51 PM

Sasori's ring was up for grabs wasn't it, and there are no other competitors that we know of for Tobi, and the ring is not the only thing needed, thats what Zetsu said to him: "...so i can join you guys now, can i?" "Idiot! It isn't that simple..." or something like that...

pjoto

February 14, 2006, 02:54 PM

Who is Zetsu?
sounds like Zevs.. maby he can fire lightnings out his ass?

Galth

February 14, 2006, 02:58 PM

Zetsu is the Akatsuki member that looks like a giant venus flytrap, with the two-coloured face and the schizofrenic conversations with himself. So re-read the latest chapters ( first appearance: right after the sasuke vs naruto fight, further during the save gaara arc ).

And if you want to know more you could read the rest of this thread...

pjoto

February 14, 2006, 09:50 PM

KRNseraphim

February 14, 2006, 09:55 PM

itachi is evil without a doubt, theres no explanation to why he slaughtered his whole family, and to "test myself" is just bs in itself and whatever other reason he might have had would still make him to be a murderer and i mean he killed all those innocent people, he's just evil, hella awesome, but evil none the less come on that kinda genius is comparable to yondaime and stuff

Gold Knight

February 15, 2006, 01:46 AM

To put it like this;
I like Sasuke better than Itachi.. and I don't like Sasuke very much.

but I started having secound thoughts about them both, so I think they might come around..
and I really just think Sasuke might just be dumb.. like.. sosially dumb.. he did good on tests and so.. but, well, Kakashi would kick his ass for running away from his teammates like that..

Sasuke's anti-social yeah. That comes from having lost his family to death at the hands of his brother... He's not emo either, since he's not just sitting around and whining about it, but is actually doing something about it - even though he chose the usually least-recommended path of the avenger, it was a natural response for any emotionally scarred kid, ya know?

Actually the Uchihas as a whole don't appear to be a very social group to me. Sasuke's father was always so stern-faced and uncomfortable with expressing himself. In a way I don't think much love was lost at all for Itachi when he killed his family because of this somewhat cold attitude from his father, who constantly put pressure on him to be the best of the best for the future of some clan he didn't even care much about in the first place.

Gold Knight

February 15, 2006, 01:49 AM

Something tells me Tobi is a bit greedy and not very bright. I almost feel like he has a kind of Smeagol presence ( Gollum from Lord of the Rings ). He knows that the ring is important, he wants to keep it and use it, but not at any risk of being killed, of course. So the next best thing would be to join the organization. Note that he wasn't satisfied even with having Sasori's ring, he wanted Deidara's ring too.

pjoto

February 15, 2006, 01:01 PM

Well Itachi kinda acted like a normal big-brother for Sasuke :)
And the people in the streets were acting like people from a small village should, like they all knew each other, greeting and talking so on..
But Sasukes father was kinda stone-faced..

Anyway, yeah, you're probably right..

KRNseraphim

February 15, 2006, 04:28 PM

hey with LOTR done we need someone else to satisfy the "MY precccccsssssiiiioooouuuuussssss" obsessed guy c(= if tobi is that guy so be it it'll be funny seeing him stroking one of those rings someday c(= maybe just as a spoof but yeah he does seem kinda greedy or maybe he just wants to be of help and get those rings back to the leader

marco10

February 21, 2006, 04:28 AM

welll if itachi is bad... many characters would already being dead by now... like kakashi, sasuke and naruto

GordoIrado

February 22, 2006, 03:25 PM

Some people say it is not clear why Itachi let Sasuke live. But it is. very, very clear.

Sasuke is right in believing that he is the avenger. Itachi let him live for that reason. For crying out loud, he says "Grow up hating me, be more powerful than kill me"! Later, when they meet again, he says "Not enough hatred." and uses his best freaking jutsu just to show the gap between them (putting his own eyesight on the line)! Ain't that enough evidence?

Galth

February 22, 2006, 04:22 PM

Yeah, but: WHY does he want sasuke to be stronger then he is and kill him?! No normal person would want to be killed right? And most people would not want others to become stronger then he/she is... especially not enemies... ( sasuke is itachi's enemy, right? )

lexiefaye

February 22, 2006, 04:36 PM

Yeah, but: WHY does he want sasuke to be stronger then he is and kill him?! No normal person would want to be killed right?

Itachi has never been a NORMAL person ... Remember his statements "Attachment to the Organization? (Akatsuki?) Attachment to the Clan? (Uchiha) Why attach to anything?" Normal people like to be attached to things and like to belong but Itachi isn't like that. He only wants to be a part of something if it helps his own goals of himself (or Sasuke) getting stronger. Whatever happened on the "secrt mission" was the turning point although you can see in his rage Sasuke still gets through to him. Sasuke is his weakness. "I'm just doing what I need to do to just get to the top." My question is what exactly does he want to get to the top of? And why didn't he destroy his biggest weakness in the process of getting there? It could be as simple as the fact that Itachi does not say anything lightly and he made a promise to ALWAYS be there as a wall to overcome for Sasuke. This is Itachi's way of the ninja and his only legitamate attachment to his family. And he could have done the massacre as a way to make Sasuke grow but has the overconfidence that Sasuke will never overcome the wall and therefore, Sasuke can grow to be an extremely powerful, extremely limitless ninja without ever actually becoming a serious threat. And if Sasuke does then Itachi's purpose in life will be over, his way of the ninja will be over, and therefore, his life, in his own twisted mind, should be over.

GordoIrado

February 23, 2006, 12:28 AM

Very interesting, lexiefaye. I agree with you on most anything.

I don't think Itachi is a nice guy or anything. He is just twisted in such a bizarre way he acts like he does.

Kim_Go!

February 23, 2006, 07:07 AM

Hmm... I wouldn't say Itachi is necessarily evil, and as many other people said he's just kinda misguided. But to determine is someone is truly "bad" you kind of have to look at both points of view. In the reader's point of view its he's evil for killing off his whole family except for his younger brother for the sole purpose of "testing his capacity". But if you look at Itachi's view, he could have it was the most absolutely right thing to do. Its kinda like the when the spanish conquistadors when walking around and killing people just for the sole fact that they're not christian. It depends on how you interpret Itachi's character. Unfortunatly, we as readers know very little on the the whole massacre thing.

MadTact

March 13, 2006, 02:09 PM

Does anyone know the names of the other Akatsuki members?

Member Village

Uchiha Itachi Leaf
HoshigakiKisame Mist
Sasori dead Maybe replaced by Tobi Sand
Deidara Rock
Zetsu
The leader??
Unknown??
Unknown??
Unknown??

Edit: Also What villages are they from?

Remus

March 13, 2006, 03:16 PM

venicia777

March 13, 2006, 06:08 PM

Nope I guess no one will know them except Kishi.
The last 4 stay unknown as long as Kishi stays with the Oro is back arc.
I personally would like to see the big one. Since he might look even more freakier than kisame with his fish face.

that is just the simple fact- unless Kishimoto reveals any new info and names no one will know- except guess

chin sai

March 13, 2006, 07:37 PM

i want to see the leader, in some sort of fight

Rampages

March 13, 2006, 07:53 PM

Yeah, its pretty much unrealeased. Maybe kishi doesn't even know himself :s

MadTact

March 13, 2006, 08:31 PM

Yeah, its pretty much unrealeased. Maybe kishi doesn't even know himself :s

Lol

abdulahi

March 13, 2006, 08:50 PM

i personally cant wait to see the leader....... does any1 else thing that he looks like (from the shodowy pics) a certain deceased hokage!?!?!?!?!?! ;)

MadTact

March 13, 2006, 09:19 PM

A hokage that would be interesting , but arent 1st to the 4th supposed to be in the death god

Rampages

March 13, 2006, 09:22 PM

thats what i think too

1st to 4th all dead

chin sai

March 13, 2006, 09:46 PM

d'ya think sasori was that tired of being alive.
dude was totally bad ass

i personally cant wait to see the leader....... does any1 else thing that he looks like (from the shodowy pics) a certain deceased hokage!?!?!?!?!?! ;)
how did that rumor start

kisame is really lame,..he's sorta just stong.
is there anything special about him

MadTact

March 13, 2006, 09:50 PM

Which village is Zetsu from. Hmmm also any ideas on which villages they all come from.

Rampages

March 13, 2006, 09:51 PM

kisame is really lame,..he's sorta just stong.
is there anything special about him

Ummmmm.......he can breathe underwater and........hmm....err....he uses what looks like a sword :blink

Which village is Zetsu from. Hmmm also any ideas on which villages they all come from.

He's from grass.
Besides the others that we know about, I think the giant one is from stone, and the two others from cloud and rain. Leader might be from the rain village, or no village at all - who knows.

glasskatana

March 13, 2006, 10:40 PM

Itachi was from Leaf
Kisame was from Mist
Sasori was from sand
Deidara was from rock (I believe this is stated on one of the covers)
Zetsu was supposedly from grass.

I believe that's all we know.

Rampages

March 13, 2006, 10:42 PM

Yeah it says "a genius from the stone village" or something like that.

MadTact

March 14, 2006, 02:05 AM

Deidara is Rock, hmm i thought he might have been from sand. Ty guys

The Boff

March 14, 2006, 12:28 PM

I honestly cant understand why so many in this forum seem to dislike Kisame so much...
If we go back a few chapters. When he fought against gai. Kisame was at 30%....
Neji said that the only person he had seen with that much chakra before was Naruto(who I believe does have a lot of it!!). Not to forget that in team gai there are 2 jounins. Gai and Neji. what happened to neji?? oh yeah he went to a bubble. What did Gai have to do to stand a chance against Kisame? oh Yeah open a couple of gates.......

now think what Kisame can do when he is 100% not a bunshin.

kisame is really lame,..he's sorta just stong.
is there anything special about him

yes i would think he is a little special to say the least.

MadTact

March 14, 2006, 01:21 PM

Kisame is very strong and not lame. Look at that big sword he carries around and he was able to keep up with Gai. Gai was even commenting on his strength in the fight. I think Neji also made a comment about his chakra.

The Boff

March 14, 2006, 01:31 PM

uhm... yeah thats what I said?

chin sai

March 14, 2006, 02:24 PM

don't get so wound up i just mean is that it?? akatsuki is supposed to be able to take on whole nations.
now do you see what i mean

The Boff

March 14, 2006, 03:09 PM

i get what youre saying
but i think he has a lot more up his sleeve.
what have we seen so far? a couple of suiton jutsus, nothing spectacular.
but would they let him in Akatsuki if he didnt have a couple of trumph cards?

siegfried

March 14, 2006, 09:16 PM

A hokage that would be interesting , but arent 1st to the 4th supposed to be in the death god

this made me remember sth.who can oro use in edo tensei now?all of the hokages are in the belly of death god.

Galth

March 14, 2006, 09:20 PM

kazekage 1-4, raikages, mizukages etc etc

And Kisame is something special, when we see his story ( no IF in my opinion ) we will get more background on Zabuza, as they're both from the Mist countries' legendary 7 Swordsmen... And Kisame presumably was the strongest of the Mist country's 7...

grupp3

March 15, 2006, 04:56 AM

The leader could be from Leaf o.O

MadTact

March 15, 2006, 11:23 AM

this made me remember sth.who can oro use in edo tensei now?all of the hokages are in the belly of death god.

Well i think he tried to summon the 4th (who is supposed to be in the Death God) so i guess edo tensi still works, i dunno assuming here.

chin sai

March 15, 2006, 02:38 PM

kishi made that situation uncertain for a reason, most likely foreshadowing

glasskatana

March 15, 2006, 10:51 PM

I'd say that kisame is one of the most powerful ninja we have seen so far. The only thing is he is way to egotistical. He doesn't really take peoplw seriously and it ends up making him look like an idiot. And water jutsu look really cool when he uses them.

chin sai

March 15, 2006, 10:59 PM

i think itachi can see far into fight scenarios when he told kisame it would be pointless to fight.
but that kinda limits the msharingan user doesn't it.
naruto could never have a sharingan...heheh, he always wants to change the future

MadTact

March 23, 2006, 09:11 PM

One thing about Itachi is that he very skilled and with that Sharingan it "seems" only people with high taijutsu skills or someone with his lvl of Sharigam can beat him.

C4animax

March 23, 2006, 09:57 PM

I think kisame is very strong and i think that he's probably part of akatsuki due to his sword that absorve chakra, since he cumulated TONS of chakra ( a bit like gaara with the gourd) he's very powerfull, i mean he changed the landscape to water, used three water clone to get three prison water and still fight against GAI. He may suck at first view but i give him some credit.

It seems that daidera is rock indeed. So the rest can come from the following : Rain, sea, snow, earth...at this rate we can even create those :p.

By looking to the anime episode between 3 and 9 the list goes like this : Rain, Snow, Light, Cloud.

mrwhos

March 23, 2006, 11:06 PM

Well 1 of the member was Orochimaru untill he left the organisation, so have thay recruit a new member or? :S

Rampages

March 23, 2006, 11:46 PM

Not to mention that Sasori-san died. Maybe Akatsuki will be cut a little short if Orochimaru and Konoha make their move against them.

Hemostrat

March 25, 2006, 04:17 AM

I don't think Orochimaru will try anything agaisnt Akatsuki. He's afraid of Itachi, let alone Akatsuki's leader.

Elmdorz

March 28, 2006, 01:45 AM

Sorry Im new to this side of the board so I put manga spoilers just in case.

Anyways remember when Itachi and Kisame had to intercept Team Gai and Team Kakashi? My friend and I had a little debate over what was originally said between the 2 before they fought. I was under the impression they both needed to leave 30% of their chakra with the akatsuki leader so he can continue to do his jutsu. Thus Itachi and Kisame are fighting at 70% power(well one would think that). Now my friend says it was the other way around. He says Kisame and Itachi were fighting at 30% power. I find this impossible to believe, that Itachi and Kisame fought at 30% power. If thats the case, then it will be the biggest plothole of the series if they ever die(which will happen).

I mean think about it, Gai had to use 6 GATES!! To take down 30% Kisame??? That doesnt make any sense to me. If thats the truth, then Im sorry but there is no way Gai's team will ever beat Kisame if they were struggling at a 30% version of him.

So to all you naruto manga readers was Itachi and Kisame fighting at 30% or 70%? :blink

rodnylee

March 28, 2006, 01:51 AM

too the best of my (limited) knowledge, i thought that the clones could only have 30% of the power, although im not too sure now that you bring this up. i kinda doubt that they would have as much as 70%, as that would be quite a bit and would allow Itachi and Kisame to use more techniques. remember that Itachi said he was limited to his weaker jutsu because he did not have enough chakra? or did i get that wrong too...?

goomba27

March 28, 2006, 02:14 AM

the clones had 30% of their chakra.

Also you need to remeber that that Akatsuki member are at hokage lvl, maybe not kisame but itachi for sure. An a hokage can beat the shit out of Gai.

rodnylee

March 28, 2006, 02:26 AM

Hemostrat

March 28, 2006, 02:53 AM

I don't believe that Gai opened 6 gates, I think he just opened THE 6th gate.
I could be wrong though.

rodnylee

March 28, 2006, 03:03 AM

hmmm how do the gates work? can you just open any random gate? i thought you had to open the gates in succession, like Lee or was that just because Gaara pushed him into opening more and more gates?

Rampages

March 28, 2006, 03:11 AM

aye, 30%

itachi an kisame r l33t 4k4tsuk1 h4x0rz th4t r 2 b ph33red bu evn gai-sensie!!!1eleven

goomba27

March 28, 2006, 03:26 AM

You seen to forget that the only reason thta saukura defeated Sasori was because of the Old lady. if it wasnt for her sakura wouldnt have defeated him. The question is not how strong is itachi cuz we know that he is strong even stronger then oro. but by lvl kisame is a s-missing ninja. if you compared to kakashi well then i think that at some point kakashi will become or alreay is stonger them him. but kakashi was a prodegy genius who made anbu squad leader at an early age. An then Gai well his just Gia he didnt even make anbu. so i will say that kisame is stronger then Gai and that it will take the whole Gai team to defeated him.

rodnylee

March 28, 2006, 03:29 AM

good point w/ sasori goomba, but i still dunno about kisame vs. gai- we dont know enuf about gai to say anything about his level, and who knows if he ever made anbu, or even wanted to. anyways, i'm gonna rate gai as pretty strong since he seems to be around kakashi's level

goomba27

March 28, 2006, 03:31 AM

And about hte lvl of the Akatsuki member. well oro left the organization cuz itachi was stronger them him and itachi is not the leader. Also i think that they want to kill Oro. SO i say that they are hokage lvl the weakes been kisame around little less then a sannin an the leader been the srtongest that he will have to be equal to a 4 tail naruto or stronger.

rodnylee

March 28, 2006, 03:41 AM

really? leader as 4 tails? but oro could take naruto at 4 tails so.... i dunno. also, i thought jiriaya (did i spell that rite?) was close if not equal to itachi, or something like that, although they've never fought. also how strong is kakashi compared to everyone with his new sharingan? after all it is pretty badass if he can control it better

goomba27

March 28, 2006, 03:47 AM

You should read or look at the pictures (lol im not saying your an idiot) but you should see that if Yamato wouldnt have held naruto back he would have kill oro.

metalanime

March 28, 2006, 07:25 AM

30% was needed for the leader to make the body bunshins

SacredNic

March 28, 2006, 07:59 AM

Gai sensei went overboard (as usual) and opened the 6th Gate, but it didnt necessarily mean that he had to. He probably did it in assuming that it was the real Kisame.

daijusan

March 28, 2006, 09:39 AM

Remus

March 28, 2006, 10:00 AM

Yes, the akatsuki leader is at a hokage level,or should i say a REAL HOKAGE...As I roam around different countries (because I am instructed by Orochimaru sama) I have investigated at senpuu.net a picture about akatsuki..check this out :oh[br]Posted at: March 28, 2006, 06:38:12 AM_________________________________________________CREEPY EHHH

You little pic there seems to be manipulated. Look at the black of the manteau of Yondi. It just seems to be inserted into the picture. But Im not a pro with such things.
To Gai and Kisame. In my oppinion Gay opened the gates to finish Kisame off as fast as possible. When he opened 6 gates and make his stand Lee said its over. This was possible one hell of a move and Kisame wasnt aware whether the real or the clone he would have get his ass kicked.

spactaa

March 28, 2006, 10:28 AM

30% of available chakra...
there is no way we can guess kisame's power with something like that, or maybe we can do that:
30% kisame->can Handle tenten+lee+neiji+gai for some time (2 chunin+2 junin)
so...100% kisame->can Handle 3tenten+3lee+3neiji+3gai (6chunin+6juunin) for some time so his level should be somewhere between junin and hokage level, at least.
A totally stupid calculation indeed (fights arent math) , but still more logical than somemere speculation.

Miso

March 28, 2006, 11:42 AM

The Boff

March 28, 2006, 11:46 AM

Miso

March 28, 2006, 12:04 PM

Guys and gals: this is a bit :offtopic

Yes, the akatsuki leader is at a hokage level,or should i say a REAL HOKAGE...As I roam around different countries (because I am instructed by Orochimaru sama) I have investigated at senpuu.net a picture about akatsuki..check this out :oh[br]Posted at: March 28, 2006, 06:38:12 AM_________________________________________________CREEPY EHHH

You little pic there seems to be manipulated. Look at the black of the manteau of Yondi. It just seems to be inserted into the picture. But Im not a pro with such things.

dude thats a fake... its a compilation of different chapters. Kishimoto would never waste so much space between the frames....

So please let us stick to the topic we are discussing about, k? ;)
If you want to talk about Yondaime look for a thread at the Naruto Toshokan (or create a new one if there isn't already one) or post in the Naruto Mega Convo.

KRNseraphim

March 28, 2006, 12:46 PM

yeah btw gai didnt open up 6 gates rather he opened up THE 6th gate (view gate) you dont open the gates in sequence necessarily rather you open what you need to open for certain situations. like the initial (omote) lotus (renge) opens up the first gate to remove the body's natural limit on muscle use and such so yeah Gai didnt open up 6 of them but rather the number 6 gate. and yeah akatsuki is hella strong so it should be expected for them to be so freakin strong, i mean everyone in akatsuki is some kind of genius (except tobi from what i can see he's more clumsy more then anything but w/e) but if the rumor that the akatsuki leader is the raikage and then if what they said about Sarutobi (3rd hokage) being the strongest of the kages then that would mean that either sarutobi was overrated or the other members of akatsuki is stronger then their leader but who knows...i'm just blurbing right now so i'll end this post

Paran

March 28, 2006, 01:15 PM

Well, they gave 30% but everyone seems to forget the chakra in the "clones" themselves... i'm sure that the chakra of the 2 bodies (one of whom was a village leader/jounin) also was included/used for their fights.

walkie

March 28, 2006, 01:52 PM

wheter they have %70 percent or more or some less, they did loose because of some tactics/tricks, right?? not because they lack chakra...both itachi and kisame were too confident about themselves, thats why they lost...

Remus

March 28, 2006, 04:29 PM

MadTact

March 28, 2006, 06:16 PM

Orochimaru can't try anything against Akatusuki at all, at least not together. Thats why he tried to take out Sasori, must be trying to get rid of them one by one or something.

Remus

March 28, 2006, 06:41 PM

I think Sasori would win against Oro.
The reason why he lost is that Sakura has super strength and chiyo had extra ordinary puppet control as well.
I guess if you run into your natural enemey its hard to win.
If you are close combat against long range you will most certainly loose. The point that neji won before you flame again is that he hat special chakra control and good tactics to get his opponent close.
Maybe Oro had a tactic to overcome Sasoris army of 100 puppets but I'd like to see them fight.

NeoAltoX

March 28, 2006, 09:11 PM

Rampages

March 28, 2006, 09:19 PM

I think Oro wouldve crushed all Sasori's puppets with his giant snakes. Oro is defenitely one of the strongest nins in naruto world.

NeoAltoX

March 28, 2006, 09:28 PM

As far the chakra thing. The Jutsu to make a completle clone of yourself using a body cost 30% chakra. Thus the body clone had 30% of there chakra, which was great for Kisame considering of how much chakra he has.

Another thing to think about is that the fight with Kisame was not complete ownage. The 4 were handling him quite well, kisame knew this and used the water sphere jutsu to restrain Tente, Lee and Neji.

Guy as we soon say was not using all of his cards either. He was trying hard to NOT have to use some of skills...why..not sure. But the minute he say that he was in trouble he went straight for the kill. Personally I think he just opened the 6th gate because I think that opens a lot more possiblities.

If guy at 6th gate, using no other jutsu's was able to basically one hit kill kisame, then who knows what else guy has up his sleeve? And personally I thnk Kisame has the Sanbi Bijuu in him, so I think that tips the scales anyway.

Rampages

March 28, 2006, 09:42 PM

Instead of a wild guessing and some blurry memories why don't we look at the scanlation? :)

Look at this:
Inane's release clearly states that the Akatsuki leader says: "However, I'll still need 30 % of your chakra".

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/912/narutoch255p134tp.th.png (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=narutoch255p134tp.png)

Thus Kisame uses 70 % of his normal chakra.
And I agree to Elmdorz and others that it would be ridiculous is Kisame had only used 30 % on Gai while he was using so much power. Because that would mean that Kisame is surely overpowered in comparison to other ninja. He would be like a Super Ninja noone could defeat if he was able to pull of so much ninja power with only 30 %.

I have to disagree with this. Even if 30% was given to the sacrifice, the bunshins did not have 70% of kisame and itachi's chakra. Itachi said that the ammount of chakra passed to the bunshins were not very significant, due to the jutsu's limitations(chapter 260). Not forgetting that they have their real bodies on a mountain too. So there would be around 35% of chakra in the ones in the cave(if 30% is needed for the sacrifice they would still need some for their -bunshins?- to materially exist) and an unknown % in their real bodies on that mountain.

Furthermore, I think that the bodies were merely used to contain their chakra, and did not have a chakra of their previous owners. If I were to guess, I would say that the bodies contained around 50-55% of their chakra, but that is baseless.

In conclusion, 70% is too high a number to have been used on that jutsu. It doesn't make any sense that they would lose so easily and their techniques would be so limited. And what if their real bodies were attacked ? They are S-rank criminals, they would know better than to leave themselves so defenseless.

abdulahi

March 28, 2006, 09:59 PM

rampage i must agree with you, i do believe big boy oro is one of the strongest characters thus far, however we still have to see the rest of akatsuki member. my prediction is thier leader is hell of a lot stronger then him, and as we all know oro doesnt really like being second does he???, i dont think he left akatsuki just because of itachi, i do believe we wants more power then anyone else, including there leader.

Elmdorz

March 29, 2006, 05:18 AM

^^ True but it wouldnt make sense for them to do so well at 30% either. Ill take 50-55%.

Either way im glad its cleared up they were not fighting at 30% chakra, because that would be f'ed up.

Miso

March 29, 2006, 11:37 AM

I have to disagree with this. Even if 30% was given to the sacrifice, the bunshins did not have 70% of kisame and itachi's chakra.

I won't argue about that because my point was:

Either way im glad its cleared up they were not fighting at 30% chakra, because that would be f'ed up.

I wanted to make clear that 30 % were needed for the sacrifice. If you read the earlier posts here you will notice that the majority stated it was the other way round.

mrwhos

March 29, 2006, 11:49 AM

I have to disagree with this. Even if 30% was given to the sacrifice, the bunshins did not have 70% of kisame and itachi's chakra. Itachi said that the ammount of chakra passed to the bunshins were not very significant, due to the jutsu's limitations(chapter 260). Not forgetting that they have their real bodies on a mountain too. So there would be around 35% of chakra in the ones in the cave(if 30% is needed for the sacrifice they would still need some for their -bunshins?- to materially exist) and an unknown % in their real bodies on that mountain.

I think you are confused about the Kage Bunshin and a regullar bunshin. Kage Bunshin (Shadow replacement/clone) devide the chakra equally and an regullar bunshin is a replacement/clone.

walkie

March 29, 2006, 01:20 PM

Akatsuki WILL relate to rin, obito and Kakashi. Because why else would kishi give Kakashi his own multi chapter arc? It wasn't just to show backstory, they could have done that at any time.

because everybody was wondering how someone, who is not uchiha, has sharingan and why it is only one eye?? that arc also explains why kakashi cares more about his compainins life than mission...a background for the one the famous characters of naruto

The Boff

March 29, 2006, 02:01 PM

plus from a storytelling mode it was better than just go from 13 years old on this page.
turn around, look he's 15 all of a sudden.

foxez69

March 29, 2006, 02:40 PM

There was a theory before that the Akatsuki leader might be the 4th hokage... You can find a topic in narutofan.com... Actually they have some shadow pictures of the leader of Akatsuki from previous chapters. It is very possible that it is the 4th hokage base from the hair... As you can remember, Orochimaru tried to summon the previous hokages during his fight with the Third hokage but the third interrupted the coffin which has the seal "4th"... Orochimaru was successful to bring the first and the second hokage back to life while the 4th wasn't... Others say that the one in the "4th" coffin was actually the 4th kazekage of the sand. How is that possible? Well, remember that Orochimaru killed the 4th kazekage before the actual attempt of destroying konoha... that's all i know :D

ramicollo

March 29, 2006, 04:42 PM

Maybe Kisame and Itachi used 30% of their chakra to both the jutsus, one third required for extracting the demon from Gaara, and the other third for the sacrafices. Leaveing 30% of their chakra remaining with them. This is most likely the case seeing as though they did say both things. One final thing is that if i remeber correctly, kakashi said to sasuke (while training him to use the chidori) if your chakra goes down to zero, he wont be able to do any other jutsus(something like that) or that he will die! This fact will rule out the idea that either Itachi or Kisame will use 100% of their chakra (like using 30% for extracting Gaara and 70% for sacrafices or any other 100% chakra comsumption possibility).

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6091/134mc.th.png (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=134mc.png) http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9653/175sn.th.png (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=175sn.png)

ambellina

March 29, 2006, 05:49 PM

I don't really think that how much charkura they had makes all that much difference.

Someone made the point that the "sacrifices" we for that time actually Itachi and Kisame. We this the case then they still would have possessed all the physical strength, speed, stamina. ect that the real Itachi and Kisame would have. They were just limited on the justu they could use because of the lack of chaukura. Which mean that Gai might have had to open 6 gated to beat Kisame.

I also could be totally wrong and opening 6 gates was Gai's "crossing the red sea" move to get out of the water.

ramicollo

March 29, 2006, 08:44 PM

The Boff

March 29, 2006, 11:02 PM

oi peoples.... let it rest.. yondy is dead. let him rest in peace he deserves it.

billion bruce lees

March 30, 2006, 12:04 AM

Ok this is my in depth view on akatsuki...

One of the akatsuki members has to be a girl.
Akatsuki WILL relate to rin, obito and Kakashi. Because why else would kishi give Kakashi his own multi chapter arc? It wasn't just to show backstory, they could have done that at any time.

How is Deidara going to come back considering he has no arms? Will be interesting to see

Kisame already has a Bijuu in him. Why do I say that? Look at the tale of the 9 legendary tailed beast.
The 3 tailed one was named Isonade the Sanbi and was a large shark with three tales. It had a subordianate named Samehade. And look at Kisames shark look and enormouse chakra and strength. I mean he turned a whole patch of desert into ocean. Thats pretty hardcore.

And ultimately I don't think Oro is afraid of Itachi due to his strength or anything. I think its because since Oro praises jutsu's and knows many forbidden or even secret jutu's, he doesn't want an Uchiha to seal them.

Either way Akatsuki is very impressive and I look forward to there arrival.
oro got his arm taken off and his ass handed to him by itachi, he states it after he killed sandaime.
itachi is unreasonably strong he wiped out the entire uchiha clan, this cannot be restated enough,..they are the clan feared by all.[br][size=1]Posted at: March 29, 2006, 09:01:23 PM
rampage i must agree with you, i do believe big boy oro is one of the strongest characters thus far, however we still have to see the rest of akatsuki member. my prediction is thier leader is hell of a lot stronger then him, and as we all know oro doesnt really like being second does he???, i dont think he left akatsuki just because of itachi, i do believe we wants more power then anyone else, including there leader.
[/quote]he states himself that he left akatsuki because itachi was alot stronger than him

billion bruce lees

March 30, 2006, 12:53 AM

really? at hokage (or any kage) level? i know that itachi is exceptionally strong so he is at or most likely beyond hokage level, but i would expect gai and kisame to be evenly matched. too bad we don't know exactly how strong kisame is. the majority of the Akatsuki members dont seem too much stronger than the leaf (i.e. kakashi, gai, and even sakura) as they (and others) were able to either defeat or hold thier own against Akatsuki...so could some1 give some estimates on the power levels of (known) Akatsuki members?
the fight with sakura, okay chiyo has more fighting experience than sasori and deidara together and the freakish strenth of sakura
if she wasn't there sakura would be dead with the first volley of poison, on combat experience sasori was outclassed

2 as for naruto deidara said it himself-the jinchuuriki isn't a problem but to think that there is someone else with doujutsu on the level of itachi here could be a problem, before kakashi took his arms off

3 in the manga they say that jutsu required 30% of thier chakra

foxez69

March 30, 2006, 01:43 AM

The Akatsuki leader cant be Yondaime, have u seen the differences between their eyes? And why would Yondaime want to be in the Akatsuki in the first place? Although it would be a good idea in terms of spying, but I think the Akatsuki members would know if its him or not.

It was also explained in the narutofan forum why the eyes of the leader is like the sharingan... They say that it's because of the quality of the scan... Otherwise, yondy is still a big probability.

billion bruce lees

March 30, 2006, 01:47 AM

yeah and kurenai's eyes are'nt like that either, it's just the quality of the scan :p

ramicollo

March 30, 2006, 11:14 AM

Okay maybe the Akatsuki leader's eyes look like the sharingan because of the quality of the scan. But why would Yondaime want to be in the Akatsuki?

NeoAltoX

March 30, 2006, 01:56 PM

Like I keep saying, we don't know for sure if Itachi really killed all of his clan or not. Personally I think there's more to it than meets the eye.
And we don't know if Itachi took off Oro's arm, we just know he keeps the hand with the ring on it. And given the fact that Oro believes that jutsus=strength. There's no telling how the fight went...or even if there WAS a fight.

Rampages

March 30, 2006, 03:55 PM

I think you are confused about the Kage Bunshin and a regullar bunshin. Kage Bunshin (Shadow replacement/clone) devide the chakra equally and an regullar bunshin is a replacement/clone.

Hmm...You mean Kawarimi ? No, I am not mistaken. I said -bunshin?- because they were at 3 places at the same time, including the sand nin's bodies they used. Maybe it was more of a chakra projection technique of sorts, because kage bunshins can't wander too far from the original.

I won't argue about that because my point was:

I wanted to make clear that 30 % were needed for the sacrifice. If you read the earlier posts here you will notice that the majority stated it was the other way round.

Yeah, we misinterpreted some of the dialogues. At first, I thought that by sacrifice they meant the "human sacrifices used for the copy technique the leader used".
But you said that Kisame was using 70% of his chakra, which would be equally preposterous.

Rampages

March 30, 2006, 04:00 PM

SchmoDawg

March 30, 2006, 11:13 PM

You should read or look at the pictures (lol im not saying your an idiot) but you should see that if Yamato wouldnt have held naruto back he would have kill oro.

That isn't true at all Naruto wouldn't have killed Oro with just 4 tails, the only chance he had at killing him was when he did that giant energy ball, besides that it looked like Oro was just playing with him.[br]Posted at: March 30, 2006, 07:02:54 PM_________________________________________________

Maybe Kisame and Itachi used 30% of their chakra to both the jutsus, one third required for extracting the demon from Gaara, and the other third for the sacrafices. Leaveing 30% of their chakra remaining with them. This is most likely the case seeing as though they did say both things. One final thing is that if i remeber correctly, kakashi said to sasuke (while training him to use the chidori) if your chakra goes down to zero, he wont be able to do any other jutsus( or something like that) or that he will die! This fact will rules out the fact that either Itachi or Kisame will use 100% of their chakra (like using 30% for extracting Gaara and 70% for sacrafices or any other 100% chakra comsumption possibility).

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6091/134mc.th.png (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=134mc.png) http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9653/175sn.th.png (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=175sn.png)

This easily covers everything the 30% for Gaara and 30% for the clones, there you have it. The reason that Kisame has so much chakra by the way is his sword samehada. (I think thats right) In the 9 tailed beast legend Isade, the three tailed shark had an ally named samehada who he could store chakra in and call on it when he needed it. This is a lot like how Kisame has ridiculous chakra even compared to other akatsuki (leading me to believe he already HAS his Bijyuu inside him, the 3 tailed shark, which had the 2nd highest chakra out of all the 9 tailed beasts)

icecoldsoul18

March 31, 2006, 04:28 AM

i thought it was 30% but maybe i was wrong? either way itachi was smiling when he got beat. i'm not sure why. i think he wants naruto to be powerful for some reason.

billion bruce lees

March 31, 2006, 06:06 AM

he was smilin' 'cause he saw rasengan with his sharingan a couple of times

SchmoDawg

March 31, 2006, 06:15 PM

What do you guys think that the Akatsuki are trying to accomplish with the Jinchuriki???

We know they are capturing them and removing the Bijyuu inside but after that what do they do??? I think that their goal is to put each of the bijyuu inside themselves, this hypothesis being formulated with what we know about Kisame and then comparing it to this http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2192.0 we see that Kisame fits perfectly as the Jinchuriki of the three tail. This also leads me to believe, that the reason no one has really come to take away naruto (Itachi and Kisame were mearly checking up on him when they came to konoha if I recall) is because the 9 tail is the strongest of the bijyuu and the leader wants it for himself.

NeoAltoX

March 31, 2006, 06:21 PM

Hate to sound like a jackass.....but they actually state this in the manga. That the akatsuki want to harness the power of the bijuu's by putting it inside themselves....

Galth

March 31, 2006, 06:28 PM

Yeah? Can you tell us where exactly? Cause i've missed that part then... :huh

Predator

March 31, 2006, 06:35 PM

That couldn't be their "Final Goal". What's the use of it? Gaara has been tortured mentaly, Naruto has been an outcast and they loose control eventually.

Final goal could be taking over the world or attaining immortality the Bijuus could have. After all that would make more sense. There's no use of power for that strong shinobis.

Khal! Why did you spoilertag the second post? The statement was made, when Itachi came to the Leaf. It's just that the statement can be misinterpreted in many ways.

vlado

March 31, 2006, 06:39 PM

Actualy i don't think that somebody stated that...i do remember Jirayia say'n smth , but i can't remember what.

Galth

March 31, 2006, 06:39 PM

Yeah, i spoilertagged faulty, but i couldn't undo it ^^' and i'm not supposed to tag in a thread with spoilers in the title either way...

Anyway, the want to use the power, but not by putting them in their own bodies, at least they did not say so...

Predator

March 31, 2006, 06:43 PM

All that has ever been said indicates, that Akatsuki want all the Tailed Beasts in order to use their powers. It has never been said that they want to put them inside themselves. Nor has been stated which part of Bijuus power (ultimate chakra, immortality, other) they want to use.

The only thing that's sure is that they don't intend to destroy Bijuus .... yet.

walkie

March 31, 2006, 07:35 PM

about akatsuki's goal, the mentioned stuff was by jiraiya and chiyoba-sama..and they already mentioned that the thing that they said is a hypothesis only...we didnto hear anything about goal from a real member or from the leader..

i believe just getting bijuu for themselves will be lame goal..they are very powerful already and why they need more power?? or why they need bijuu's powers, rather than summonings or stuff like that? to achieve their goal they need big power, thats why they are after bijuus..i mean getting bijuus is only a step to their goal..otherwise i will lose some respect to them :p

asmo

March 31, 2006, 08:01 PM

All they've been doing so far is to seal the bijus into that freak-statue. Not a single one of them has a biju inside him.
There's no proof (and even less hints)for a "Akatsuki becoming Bijus themselves" theory. In fact,they look down on the Jinchurikis.

hotsuma316

March 31, 2006, 08:17 PM

What they are trying to do is create a new bijuu, as most of the current bijuu are forces of nature, wild and unpredictable they can't control it. By creating a new bijuu that they can control with all 9 bijuu's power their authority could not be contested. If you notice the scene where gaara's bijuu is being extracted there is a humanoid statue with 9 eyes, each of those eyes represent 1 bijuu, I figure its a containment for all biju until all 9 are acquired and the creation of the new bijuu can commence.

C4animax

March 31, 2006, 10:21 PM

Maybe they just want to take over the world, maybe as Predator_U they need their power to get immortality that would help them alot since they seem very strong.

billion bruce lees

April 01, 2006, 02:34 AM

they just want to own everything permanently

Rampages

April 01, 2006, 03:24 AM

Hate to sound like a jackass.....but they actually state this in the manga. That the akatsuki want to harness the power of the bijuu's by putting it inside themselves....

As the man said, quote please.

they just want to own everything permanently

Or...create the matrix. Imagine, just the 8 of them, in a heaven-like place, surrounded by food, wine and hot chix - and perhaps a bodybuilder for Deidara.

ramicollo

April 01, 2006, 02:55 PM

In my opinion, Akatsuki will try and find a way to seal it within themselves without any negative side effects (like Gaara).

asmo

April 01, 2006, 03:15 PM

In my opinion, Akatsuki will try and find a way to seal it within themselves without any negative side effects (like Gaara).

No. As the last Akatsuki chapters revealed these guys look down on Jinchuurikis (Deidara mocking Naruto etc.). As already stated they have just sealed all the Bijuus into that nine-eyed underworld statue. Had they wanted to seal the Bijuus into themselves they would have done it right away. :)

ramicollo

April 01, 2006, 03:24 PM

No. As the last Akatsuki chapters revealed these guys look down on Jinchuurikis (Deidara mocking Naruto etc.). As already stated they have just sealed all the Bijuus into that nine-eyed underworld statue. Had they wanted to seal the Bijuus into themselves they would have done it right away. :)

Okay maybe so, but what happened to Deidara after... Manga chapter 277. He gets owned, luckily for Deidara it was just a replacement. Deidara still says "No wonder his hit is so powerful... Yeah".

ramicollo

April 01, 2006, 04:08 PM

he was smilin' 'cause he saw rasengan with his sharingan a couple of times

Nah... i think he was laughing because Naruto actually got him... Naruto!!!

C4animax

April 01, 2006, 09:21 PM

I think he's quite happy to know that sasuke's rival/friend is powerfull enough to bring sasuke up in terms of power, if you look at them they always want to be stronger than each other and the point is that itachi want sasuke stronger...i would also agree with ramicollo.

ramicollo

April 02, 2006, 07:15 PM

I'm sure Itachi killed all of his clan members who were there at the time, the only exception would be if a member left the clan or was some where else doing a mission (or something).

Gold Knight

April 03, 2006, 01:19 PM

Let's keep this thread spam-free please ( just had to delete some stuff. )

abdulahi

April 03, 2006, 01:53 PM

i just wanted to know what you guys thought of Zetsu, the wired half white half black, flytrap body man???? i'd loved to hear any funky predictions of him.

my predictions is he is not a single person, but rather many people in one, he eats people and then they become part of him and in return give me power and ablilties. a master in the arts of grass like poison and healing (plants have element to heal or poison)

i do think he looks cool though

Rampages

April 03, 2006, 03:10 PM

I think Zetsu is as strong as Itachi. His eyes are hiding a bloodline limit...