How Similar are Naruto and Yondaime?

[matsyes]

So we have had the big revelation a few chapters ago that Minato is Naruto's father. But that got me thinking, why is naruto so unlike his father. Apart from his looks there is harldy any similarity between the two. I know the excuse is that Naruto is like kushina. But you would figure something of yondi would also be a part of Naruto.
Yondi was supposed to be a genius of a Ninja, a thinker. Naruto on the other hand cant keep two thoughts straight in his head. The only claim to genius he can make is his unpredictable ideas. But the simplest ninja concepts escape him.
In jutsu selection also Naruto and yondaime are very different. While from what we have seen in Kakashi Gaiden. Yondi was a superfast ninja using straight forward moves against his enimies. Naruto on the other hand seems to be one of the slowest Ninja around with hardly any proficiency with the shushin no jutsu. He also tends to go for the big and showy justus, while his father was a silent attacker more like kakashi. (I take that impression from how yondi went to attack the lone rock ninja and how he attacked the entire collection of rock ninja after he separated from his team)
Can anyone tell me if I missed anything? If there is a difference of opinion on the topic or if you have any comments about this.

[wing_gundam]

Well you could look at their upbringing. I imagine that Naruto can be like Minato, and time will show he will get better. Naruto has certainly showed that he can come up with decent strategies that can even fool Kakashi. But on the other hand, he was brought up with no parents and always hated. He looked for attention and spent his childhood being an ass. It will take him a long time to get out of that.

Think about Naruto vs Sasuke as age 13 or whenever they started - Sasuke was forced to train like Itachi every day throwing kunais until he was perfect, and learn how to produce enough chakra to release a katon no jutsu. His parents and brother pushed him. The only chakra naruto ever released was to produce a sexy no jutsu. He was just a fool who wanted attention.

But if you look at the growth of the two since that part, Naruto in no time picked up the rasengen pretty much on his own, controlled his chakra and learned how to use it. But he was also a good strategist. Sasuke only really learned a bloodline limit (ooh how difficult can that be hehe - your born with it!) and a chidori that kakashi gave him. Sasuke never learned element manipulation other than the Katon no jutsu.

Anyways, as Naruto becomes less obsessed with anger we will see him think more and be quieter. His kage buushin will certainly be a useful tool in the long run. Think about it - why would you need to teleport from one area to another, when if your clone is strong enough, you can already be in two places at once.

So basically I think Naruto has the capacity to be more like Minato, but he's lagged behind because of his childhood. However, I don't expect him to be exactly the same - ie I think they will have seperate jutsu's.

[Razh]

Can anyone tell me if I missed anything?

Just the fact that Naruto's still a minor.
Minato wasn't born cool. We only saw him in his late twenties or early thirties I suppose. While his son in still in his teens.
Naruto has a lot of time to evolve. Just compare him before and now. He seems a little more serious doesn't he? Now think of what he would be like 10 years from now. Think he's gonna jerk around like some punk? Especially after the events that have happened or will happen.
I see im more serious in the future, maybe even a part of ANBU. Now that would be something.

And it wasn't much of a revelation, Minato being Naruto's father. I mean, it was hinted enough times already in the first part... Not much surprise there.

[jodi]

no
Jiraya and Tsunade told us
Naruto wasn't nothing like his father... in ninjutsu talking
he was more of his mother... a tomboy and clumsy one
thats what Naruto is and Minato never was
Minato is a nin that borns in a decade...
nothing against Naruto
but his father was very different

[quick_al]

no
Jiraya and Tsunade told us
Naruto wasn't nothing like his father... in ninjutsu talking
he was more of his mother... a tomboy and clumsy one
thats what Naruto is and Minato never was
Minato is a nin that borns in a decade...
nothing against Naruto
but his father was very different

I think that this is bais beyond imaginatin talking about jiraya and tsunade. You can not compare naruto and minato becasue they did not have the same upbringing. naruto was hated by his village, look in part one, the third made a rule to protect naruto. did the same thing happen to minato? people did not want naruto to be a ninja and minato they hailed as being a genius. i think that if naruto was given the same amount of training as minato he would have surpassed him years ago. but everybody hated him. kids hated him because of their parents. they could not even recongize as a person, much less a ninja like i said this a bais opion that village had of naruto. i think that him and his father are more alike than we releaze remeber in the FRS training that kakashi saw minato in him and same thing with jiraya.

[Inkovic]

They both close their eyes a lot. With that happy look.

[Decorus]

Naruto had the talent to surpass his father quickly and be hailed as a genius, but the nuturing aspect was not there. How different would Naruto be if he had been raised by Jiraiya and Tsunade?

[radical3113]

Naruto had the talent to surpass his father quickly and be hailed as a genius, but the nuturing aspect was not there. How different would Naruto be if he had been raised by Jiraiya and Tsunade?


haha haaa nice one.good try, with the "what if's". sasuke had no nurturing from his dad, and after his dad got killed no one took him in, yet he was hailed as a genius , and scored the highest in the accademy, he learned katon without any nurturing and made it nice and big without any tips whatsoever. neji had no nurturing from his dad and is practically spat on by the head family yet he's a jounin at 14/15 and hinata is not.orochimaru had two very dead parents and was still hailed as a genius in his time.those three characters have a similar attitude towards things, an attitude naruto does not share.

naruto isnt like yondaime because its a silent rule in shonens. leading hero characters need to be loud, a bit stupid, have a friend fetish,be an under dog but have an advantage which makes them "different", have generic strong will, the list goes on (take a look at luffy and ichigo)the 4th was none of those things, he was a genius from the start so couldnt have been an under dog, seemed calm rather than loud, not stupid at all (made his own jutsu), and as for the friend fetish, he was alive durring a war, whilst having a responsibility over his students so i dont know if he had time to form 8 man teams and chase his friend around the fire country.

[quick_al]

haha haaa nice one.good try, with the "what if's". sasuke had no nurturing from his dad, and after his dad got killed no one took him in, yet he was hailed as a genius , and scored the highest in the accademy, he learned katon without any nurturing and made it nice and big without any tips whatsoever. neji had no nurturing from his dad and is practically spat on by the head family yet he's a jounin at 14/15 and hinata is not.orochimaru had two very dead parents and was still hailed as a genius in his time.those three characters have a similar attitude towards things, an attitude naruto does not share.

that is not far NARUTO HAD NO ONE, sasuke had his dad and mom to go to till they got killed, and nobody hate sasuke people actually pitted him, when naruto grew up was he loved by everyone no. He was hated and he was seen as the nine tailed fox. People would not talk to him and people even had their kids not talk to him. neji was taught by his father till when he was like 4, naruto no one taught him anything. and that genius neji naruto bet. and why did neji say what would naruto do when he was fight one of the sound four?


naruto isnt like yondaime because its a silent rule in shonens. leading hero characters need to be loud, a bit stupid, have a friend fetish,be an under dog but have an advantage which makes them "different", have generic strong will, the list goes on (take a look at luffy and ichigo)the 4th was none of those things, he was a genius from the start so couldnt have been an under dog, seemed calm rather than loud, not stupid at all (made his own jutsu), and as for the friend fetish, he was alive durring a war, whilst having a responsibility over his students so i dont know if he had time to form 8 man teams and chase his friend around the fire country.

my question for you is the following we know that kakashi was a chinunin by the age of 6 and a jonin by the age of 8 right? is there any way kakashi could have done that if he was not trained at home? kakashi, sasuke, and neji where all trained by their fathers and respected family. Naruto was not trained till he went to the ninja school. if naruto had his dad training him, since he was born, who would be seen as a genius?

[radical3113]

that is not far NARUTO HAD NO ONE, sasuke had his dad and mom to go to till they got killed, and nobody hate sasuke people actually pitted him, when naruto grew up was he loved by everyone no. He was hated and he was seen as the nine tailed fox. People would not talk to him and people even had their kids not talk to him. neji was taught by his father till when he was like 4, naruto no one taught him anything. and that genius neji naruto bet. and why did neji say what would naruto do when he was fight one of the sound four? you forgot orochimaru,btw whats worse growing up with no parents or watching them die.
what makes no sense to me is, everyone kakashis age and above know thats naruto is the 4ths son, everyone kakashi's age and above knows that the 4th gave up his life and naruto's future to stop the fox from killing everyone, yet everyone hates naruto because the fox which was trying to kill them is trapped in his body unable to kill them anymore.makes no sense. people worshipped that 4th but hate his son, its not like naruto was going round killing people like gaara was. gaaras bijuu was put in him to make him a weapon , and he went killed people with it and was constantly displaying the bijuus power, it makes sense for him to be feared and hated. naruto didnt display a spec of kyuubi his whole childhood, nor did he kill anyone, nor was the bijuu put in him as a weapon, why was he hated? it makes no sense to hate the boy who indirectly saved everyones life, ive never understood that. madara went against the first hokage but no one hates him , nor do they hate the uchiha clan or the ANBU,itachi went against the village and then invaded it with kisame but no one hates his brother for it. the hyuuga clan weaken half their family, thus weakening konohas ninjas and future ninjas, thus weakening konoha as a whole, but their not hated for it. now the 4th hokage SAVES the village with help from his son, yet his son is hated for it .plothole, makes no sense. just tryna make naruto seem more of an underdog.



my question for you is the following we know that kakashi was a chinunin by the age of 6 and a jonin by the age of 8 right? is there any way kakashi could have done that if he was not trained at home? kakashi, sasuke, and neji where all trained by their fathers and respected family. Naruto was not trained till he went to the ninja school. if naruto had his dad training him, since he was born, who would be seen as a genius?

orochimaru had no parents and wasnt trained until ninja school,genius, sasukes dad never trained him nor did his brother , rather discouraged him, yet he got the highest scores in the academy, so what if nejis dad trained him till 4 when do you think he started training him at 0?, 1?,2?,3? he could have started training him at four for all we know. now narutos dad died when he was a baby right? a baby cant take care of itself right? so someone must have taken care of naruto till he was able to live by himself right? ive never seen a konoha orphanage so it must be someone who was close to his dad right? the only people close to his dad that were capable of taking care of an infant were the 3rd and jiraiya right? it obviously wasnt jman coz he travels the world writing books. must have been the third, how do i know ? look back on naruto chapter three, whoever took kakashi to narutos house and entered must have had a key, was it not the 3rd hokage?look how naruto was always casual with the third, do i need to spell it out anymore, just put 2 and 2 together.if naruto wanted to train he could have , thats not his priority , he was more interested in perverted jutsus, naruto grew up in a town full of ninjas and the hokages have always been on that mountain, influence and inspiration to want to train was always there, instead he prefered to deface the mountain with graffiti.

[Decorus]

People are afraid of Naruto, Fear leads to hatred, Hatred leads to anger, Anger leads to destruction. They don't see the 4th's son they see Kyuubi wearing the 4th's son like a mask.

With Sasuke everyone has this poor Sasuke his parents were killed lets help the poor Genius become a ninja as the last Uchiha he'll be a genius for sure.

With Naruto its more like, Lets make damn sure that Demon Fox never ever becomes anything remotely dangerous. I have to keep my children away from the Demon Fox he might try to kill them.

With Gaara it was, My son the perfect killing machine. Hone him into a weapon, the village's ultimate tool. Followed very quickly by ah shit he's way too strong we can't control him so lets kill him before he kills us all.

[quick_al]

you forgot orochimaru,btw whats worse growing up with no parents or watching them die.
what makes no sense to me is, everyone kakashis age and above know thats naruto is the 4ths son, everyone kakashi's age and above knows that the 4th gave up his life and naruto's future to stop the fox from killing everyone, yet everyone hates naruto because the fox which was trying to kill them is trapped in his body unable to kill them anymore.makes no sense. people worshipped that 4th but hate his son, its not like naruto was going round killing people like gaara was. gaaras bijuu was put in him to make him a weapon , and he went killed people with it and was constantly displaying the bijuus power, it makes sense for him to be feared and hated. naruto didnt display a spec of kyuubi his whole childhood, nor did he kill anyone, nor was the bijuu put in him as a weapon, why was he hated? it makes no sense to hate the boy who indirectly saved everyones life, ive never understood that. madara went against the first hokage but no one hates him , nor do they hate the uchiha clan or the ANBU,itachi went against the village and then invaded it with kisame but no one hates his brother for it. the hyuuga clan weaken half their family, thus weakening konohas ninjas and future ninjas, thus weakening konoha as a whole, but their not hated for it. now the 4th hokage SAVES the village with help from his son, yet his son is hated for it .plothole, makes no sense. just tryna make naruto seem more of an underdog.




orochimaru had no parents and wasnt trained until ninja school,genius, sasukes dad never trained him nor did his brother , rather discouraged him, yet he got the highest scores in the academy, so what if nejis dad trained him till 4 when do you think he started training him at 0?, 1?,2?,3? he could have started training him at four for all we know. now narutos dad died when he was a baby right? a baby cant take care of itself right? so someone must have taken care of naruto till he was able to live by himself right? ive never seen a konoha orphanage so it must be someone who was close to his dad right? the only people close to his dad that were capable of taking care of an infant were the 3rd and jiraiya right? it obviously wasnt jman coz he travels the world writing books. must have been the third, how do i know ? look back on naruto chapter three, whoever took kakashi to narutos house and entered must have had a key, was it not the 3rd hokage?look how naruto was always casual with the third, do i need to spell it out anymore, just put 2 and 2 together.if naruto wanted to train he could have , thats not his priority , he was more interested in perverted jutsus, naruto grew up in a town full of ninjas and the hokages have always been on that mountain, influence and inspiration to want to train was always there, instead he prefered to deface the mountain with graffiti.

well there reason i did not include orochimaru is not enough info is given on him in his child hood. that is why.

to become a chinnun at the age of 6, kakashi, when would you have to start your training. and what are you talking about that nobody train sasuke he learn the fire jutsu from his dad at the lake i frogot what chapter it was in. his brother should him had to throw. the village did not want naruto to become a ninja while sasuke everbody pushed. remeber what naruto said that his whole life people where looking down on him and he never understood why. you are talking about a child who has no emotional support i am suprized he truned out the way he did

they are ninja they do not need a key to enter a simple house hold and i do not think kakashi knows that he is the fourth son's he has never given any indication

[radical3113]

People are afraid of Naruto, Fear leads to hatred, Hatred leads to anger, Anger leads to destruction. They don't see the 4th's son they see Kyuubi wearing the 4th's son like a mask.

With Sasuke everyone has this poor Sasuke his parents were killed lets help the poor Genius become a ninja as the last Uchiha he'll be a genius for sure.

With Naruto its more like, Lets make damn sure that Demon Fox never ever becomes anything remotely dangerous. I have to keep my children away from the Demon Fox he might try to kill them.

With Gaara it was, My son the perfect killing machine. Hone him into a weapon, the village's ultimate tool. Followed very quickly by ah shit he's way too strong we can't control him so lets kill him before he kills us all.
people are afraid of him, nice, i guess you didnt read what i wrote did you? i gave many reasons why they shouldnt be afriad of him or hate him and reasons why they should hate other people they dont , you gave no reasons, well done.

everyone was not "ooh poor sasuke" no one said that or showed him any special treatment whatsoever,his dad didnt die defending the village did he, who is he? his skills were derived from determination.

no one tried to stop naruto from becoming an ninja, no one said anything like "Lets make damn sure that Demon Fox never ever becomes anything remotely dangerous. I have to keep my children away from the Demon Fox he might try to kill them." wtf are on about ? i swear he was playing with shika,chouji,kiba etc.

the reason you gave for them hating gaara is the same one i gave , he became dangerous and killed people, thus hate for him would make perfect sense.


well there reason i did not include orochimaru is not enough info is given on him in his child hood. that is why.

to become a chinnun at the age of 6, kakashi, when would you have to start your training. and what are you talking about that nobody train sasuke he learn the fire jutsu from his dad at the lake i frogot what chapter it was in. his brother should him had to throw. the village did not want naruto to become a ninja while sasuke everbody pushed. remeber what naruto said that his whole life people where looking down on him and he never understood why. you are talking about a child who has no emotional support i am suprized he truned out the way he did

they are ninja they do not need a key to enter a simple house hold and i do not think kakashi knows that he is the fourth son's he has never given any indication

everybody DID NOT PUSH SASUKE FOR ANYTHING, his dad didnt teach him he just showed him a jutsu and said "do it" and obviously he couldnt do it first time round so what did his dad do , stick around and help him out or "push" him like you said?, NO, he walked off condemning the boy. his brother didnt teach him crap, he just watched his itachi throw shuriken, asked to train with him and his brother said next time which didnt come coz he killed everyone. and what do you mean village did not want naruto to become a ninja, thats bull, no villager ever said "naruto i dont want you to become a ninja" no shinobi said "naruto i dont want you to become a ninja". let me tell you someone who had no emotional support , gaara, people literally ran away from him,whenever he came close, his uncle tried to assasinate him, didnt his mother kill her self? nobody liked gaara even his own brother and sister werent too fond of him,did anything like that happen to naruto, no, his dad died a heroic death and the 3rd was clearly supporting him. kakashi had to have known that naruto was the 4ths son, only an idiot wouldnt recognize his sensei's son especially when they look like twins, only an idiot wouldnt notice his sensei's wife's huge belly for nine months, kakashi's sensei was the type to get presents for passing tests why wouldnt he tell his students, his wife is having a baby, not to mention they named him before he was born , why wouldnt he have told them his name. he wasnt secretive, he even told obito about kakashi's dad.
people in this manga who have had terrible childhoods it reflects in their character, now kakashis dad died a disgraceful death, because of that he was addicted to rules.
nejis dad died a pathetic death, and because of that he has a rock solid determination, sasuke watched his brother kill his family and friends, coz of that he's has a power fetish, orochimarus parents were laying in the ground whilst he was doing the bell test, yet he became a sanin, irukas parents were killed by kyuubi yet he dont hate naruto , rather buys him ramen, now naruto grew up never knowing his parents, and he was a loud mouth in your face kinda guy, who showed no respect to his elders, used perverted jutsus, defaced the hokage mountain, dosent sound like his childhood was that traumatic, oh no , no parents boo hoo, he must have been getting special treatment after his dad died, 3rd was in charge of the village , do you think the 3rd is gonna let the son of the previous hokage "sleep in gutter?" so to speak.

[Razh]

Damm it radical. You destroy my will to participate in any topics you post in. Get a life and write smaller posts :p

And why isn't Naruto like Yondaime?
Well, maybe it's just simple. A lack of discipline in his earlier ages. That's the difference between Naruto and Sasuke, or Kakashi. And I'm guessing Yondaime too had someone to make him go to bed at 8 o' clock, make him write homework the moment he comes from school, ground him when he makes trouble and so on and so on.

[MegaX]

people are afraid of him, nice, i guess you didnt read what i wrote did you? i gave many reasons why they shouldnt be afriad of him or hate him and reasons why they should hate other people they dont , you gave no reasons, well done.

Forget your no 'what-if fact only' attitude so soon? They were afraid. End of story. They also probably don't know that Naruto is the 4th's son.


everyone was not "ooh poor sasuke" no one said that or showed him any special treatment whatsoever,his dad didnt die defending the village did he, who is he? his skills were derived from determination.

Lust for revenge can do that.


no one tried to stop naruto from becoming an ninja, no one said anything like "Lets make damn sure that Demon Fox never ever becomes anything remotely dangerous. I have to keep my children away from the Demon Fox he might try to kill them." wtf are on about ? i swear he was playing with shika,chouji,kiba etc.

Yeah, but they did seem happy when he didn't become a ninja.


everybody DID NOT PUSH SASUKE FOR ANYTHING, his dad didnt teach him he just showed him a jutsu and said "do it" and obviously he couldnt do it first time round so what did his dad do , stick around and help him out or "push" him like you said?, NO, he walked off condemning the boy. his brother didnt teach him crap, he just watched his itachi throw shuriken, asked to train with him and his brother said next time which didnt come coz he killed everyone. and what do you mean village did not want naruto to become a ninja, thats bull, no villager ever said "naruto i dont want you to become a ninja" no shinobi said "naruto i dont want you to become a ninja". let me tell you someone who had no emotional support , gaara, people literally ran away from him,whenever he came close, his uncle tried to assasinate him, didnt his mother kill her self? nobody liked gaara even his own brother and sister werent too fond of him,did anything like that happen to naruto, no, his dad died a heroic death and the 3rd was clearly supporting him. kakashi had to have known that naruto was the 4ths son, only an idiot wouldnt recognize his sensei's son especially when they look like twins, only an idiot wouldnt notice his sensei's wife's huge belly for nine months, kakashi's sensei was the type to get presents for passing tests why wouldnt he tell his students, his wife is having a baby, not to mention they named him before he was born , why wouldnt he have told them his name. he wasnt secretive, he even told obito about kakashi's dad.
people in this manga who have had terrible childhoods it reflects in their character, now kakashis dad died a disgraceful death, because of that he was addicted to rules.
nejis dad died a pathetic death, and because of that he has a rock solid determination, sasuke watched his brother kill his family and friends, coz of that he's has a power fetish, orochimarus parents were laying in the ground whilst he was doing the bell test, yet he became a sanin, irukas parents were killed by kyuubi yet he dont hate naruto , rather buys him ramen, now naruto grew up never knowing his parents, and he was a loud mouth in your face kinda guy, who showed no respect to his elders, used perverted jutsus, defaced the hokage mountain, dosent sound like his childhood was that traumatic, oh no , no parents boo hoo, he must have been getting special treatment after his dad died, 3rd was in charge of the village , do you think the 3rd is gonna let the son of the previous hokage "sleep in gutter?" so to speak.

No one ever told him that he shouldn't become a ninja. But when he didn't pass, some villagers did say that it was a good thing.

I refuse to address the rest of your post until you learn how to capitalize and space. There's no reason people should have to hurt themselves just to read that.

[Uchiha Slayer]

Naruto has yondi's brains (We jsut havent seen all of naruto's yet)...Thats a funny option in the poll. Actually I think Naruto and Yondi's chakra levels are the same. Naruto has the potential to be like Yondi, he's just a little slow.

[gopher18]

People are afraid of Naruto, Fear leads to hatred, Hatred leads to anger, Anger leads to destruction.


isnt it anger leads to the darkside?

[Decorus]

Destruction, Darkside same thing. Actually it comes from a more ancient proverb George Lucas just borrowed the concept.

People hate what they fear. People destroy what they hate.

Sigh my hard drive ate my first 11 chapters of the manga today, and I'm too lazy to break out my external hard drive. If you go back to the original chapters there is a sequence where parents actively keep thier children from playing with Naruto, because he's the 9 tailed demon fox. Everyone's immediate concern which sent the ANBU chasing after Naruto was that Naruto would use the Forbidden scroll to remove the seal.

(I'm not repairing my hard drive, because I have sections of corrupted OS which when fixed would force me to reformat my hard drive and besides I'm amazed every morning that my computer is still running since they are making really fun clicking noises)

[gopher18]

Naruto has yondi's brains (We jsut havent seen all of naruto yet)...Thats a funny option in the poll. Actually I think Naruto and Yondi's chakra levels are the same. Naruto has the potential to be like Yondi, he's just a little slow.

both in mind and body?

[Decorus]

In my old age and line of work I've learned brevity is pretty much required. Why use 10 pages to explain something when 1 sentence would do? Considering I read about 960 words a minute his length doesn't bother me its the annoying nature of his writing.

Children are going to be the death of written communication.

Now Radical what you fail to understand is a simple concept. Naruto would be exactly like his father if people actually cared to make sure he learned what he needed. A vast majority of people aren't stupid they just don't have people who teach them proper study habits and proper work ethic. Sasuke had a proper work ethic instilled in him from childhood, but honestly it does not look like he improved much at all after his Parents died. Naruto on the other hand was left to his own devices. It also appears he was actively discouraged from some pursuits. So no its not a what if scenario its a fairly common occurence in actual society. A vast majority of children who are in foster care or have absentee parents end up completely unprepared for living on thier own and holding down a job.

[radical3113]

@decorus , my writing style offends you because i do that on purpose ,(im not gonna lie -_-; ) i learned how to lexically-piss-people-off and pick at their arguments in my critical thinking class at col. (not cool i know, but hey i wanna have some fun) what you said bout narutos upbringing differences does make perfect sense, if i wanted to pick at it, i would take the small slip ups and explode them like....

so you say sasuke didnt improve after his parents death , how did he manage to pass the accad exam at top, charge at his brother with an assassin jutsu, assimilate lees speed in one mont.........

which persuits exactly was he discouraged from , the only naruto "bad talk" we ever heard came from the crowd during the chuunin exam, and unlike the 3rd and iruka they have no say on his lif..........

you compare it to real life, but there are also numerous reasons why children fuck up, parents or no parents, friends/peers, bad school experience, neighborhood, tv, drugs, sexual fustration, lack of attention/love, lack of heroes/role models (which are usually not their parents), lack of finances, physical limitatio.... these can happen despite being an orp.....

but i still do agree with you. but look back at naruto chapter 4 the front page sasuke is pictured on a snake, naruo on a toa... well, you are capable of looking at a pic so im not gonna patronize you.

http://img.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000004/naruto_v01_ch004_109.jpg

my point is if naruto did have a fine upbringing, it would have messed up the whole story as we know it , and this pic shows kishi knew what he was gonna do on chpt 383 before even finishing chpt 4.

Edited out bash tied to deleted posts.

[Karma]

I'm going to say this once...... Naruto is way better than is father.. and the reason for all that its because of the things he has to go through to become the best...

and people take what Jiraiya said wrongly..

When Jiraiya was talk to the 5th Hokage..

Jiraiya think Naruto is better than the 4th.. but is attitude is like is mother..

he even said it seems like teaching the 4th Hokage once again..

Why you think it will seems that way to someone like Jiraiya? its because Naruto is just the same or better..

when Jiraiya going to die. he even Admire Naruto. and said since he's naruto master, those words shall be the teacher as well.. It Obvious that Naruto has more potential then the 4th Hokage..

[SOL,the egomorphic]

\? look back on naruto chapter three, whoever took kakashi to narutos house and entered must have had a key, was it not the 3rd hokage?look how naruto was always casual with the third,

Ah, pedantic, I know. . . Why would the third need a key? He's a ninja. . . And, Naruto's familiar with everyone, he respects nobody (he's the scion of our age - prove your worth or don't expect us to praise it, this is postmodernism) . . . this is not proof that Naruto was raised by the third. . . (though you're right that he must ('must' in the normal sense: this may not be true in a shonen)) have been raised by someone and the third is a good candidate. . . But the village must have had a lot of orphans after the war (I say 'must have had a lot' even though we've only seen two) and so would probably have had an orphanage. . . This is an interesting point, even though all physical evidence states otherwise (such as Naruto's studying ninjutsu only after someone showed interest in his development therein) and your evidence is all supposition. . .
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People are afraid of Naruto, Fear leads to hatred, Hatred leads to anger, Anger leads to destruction. They don't see the 4th's son they see Kyuubi wearing the 4th's son like a mask.
there's no evidence they see the 4th's son - would Iruka have been surprised that Minato wanted Naruto to be viewed as a hero if they had??
The third probably knew that he was the 4th's son, and Jiraiya and Tsunade definitely knew, but we cannot count upon the fact that anyone else knew. . . Don't forget that, being the strongest and Naruto's godfather, Jiraiya was subject to information others probably wouldn't have had access to. . .

I read on a bit after I had posted this and realised that both of these points had already been made. . . I should probably delete this post, but oh well. . . Sorry, guys. . .

[Decorus]

Actually it looks like no one was raising Naruto. He has his own small apartment, money and made himself seriously ill by drinking bad milk. So its pretty much doubtful that anyone was even checking in on him.

I hate idiocy not poor writing. I especially dislike people who have been to college and still can't read properly.

[Dantrag]

there's no evidence they see the 4th's son - would Iruka have been surprised that Minato wanted Naruto to be viewed as a hero if they had??
The third probably knew that he was the 4th's son, and Jiraiya and Tsunade definitely knew, but we cannot count upon the fact that anyone else knew. . . Don't forget that, being the strongest and Naruto's godfather, Jiraiya was subject to information others probably wouldn't have had access to. . .

I'd say even if the people of Konoha knew that Naruto was the 4th's son, they'd still have a very legitimate reason to fear him. As far as we know, there is no 100% safe way to seal a bijuu inside a human and expect that everything turns out ok. Look at Gaara and Shukaku. Had Gaara ever fallen asleep inside his own village, Shukaku would have gone on a rampage killing dozens if not more. It's very plausible that it's the same with others since each Jinchuuriki is created in a different way and Jinchuurikis have existed for a long time (Shukaku had been sealed in two people before Gaara). Heck, the knowledge of having a demon inside would propably be more then enough to cause serious mental damage to anyone.

Despite all that Naruto has done, if Konoha found out about his 4-tail transformation I'd say they'd be demanding him to be thrown out even more than before, the 4-tails is a serious threat after all.

[kaylee]

Guys, I just had to delete many posts in here that weren't at all related to the topic, but were just arguing with other members for the sake of arguing.

Stay on topic, tone down the language, and respond to the post, not to the poster.

If you have a problem with a post, just report it. Don't respond with something even more inflammatory. That's how flame wars get started.

Anyway, on-topic, for my part I'm glad that Naruto isn't much like Yondaime, in skill level at least. I'd prefer not to read a story where everything comes really easily to the main character, and he doesn't have any challenges to overcome.