The Battledome Thread

[Kanzen Shinkiro]

I believe Lee has what it takes to beat Neji without the gates. Just by removing the weights.

[mrcongojack]

It really depends if Lee has a good strategy against Neji. He needs to move hella fast to get through his defenses. Perhaps if he removed all the weights, opened up 3-4 of the gates he might have a chance. Then again, we haven't seen Neji's new moves and he is jonin, so he might have something big up his sleeve.

[TheChosenOne]

In Part 1 I would say that Lee would most likely win, but Neji now is a jounin and most likely has mastered his Byakugan and learned other jutsu that work in hand with his doujutsu. I would say that Neji wins over Lee but it will be a hard fought victory. :)

[Decorus]

Well one of Neji's new moves is a mid range martial arts attack that uses Wind nature manipulation to knock back an opponent. He used it to send the Kisame clone flying like he was a toy.

[TheChosenOne]

Well one of Neji's new moves is a mid range martial arts attack that uses Wind nature manipulation to knock back an opponent. He used it to send the Kisame clone flying like he was a toy.

Also, didn't Neji increase his perception range by some meters or something, I forgot how much but it happened during the Gaara arc. :)

[Franckie]

Also, didn't Neji increase his perception range by some meters or something, I forgot how much but it happened during the Gaara arc. :)

800 meters if memory serves me right.

[badluckartist]

Depends. I say they're somewhere around equal.

[sabuk-demon]

i say rock-lee if he open all the gates neji shouldnt have a chance.i mean gai did
teach it to him for neji it has to some perpu
s

[minato-sama09]

i really think that lee would win im mean its not gonna be easy but i think hes got what it takes

[Oblivion]

being a jounin doesnt mean that neji is a whole lot stronger....but that he can also lead a troop, which lee probably cant and thus has not become a jounin...

so pls dont come with this argument.

[minato-sama09]

hold on im sure that lee could do it but hes more of a soldier than a leader and im okay with that but there is alot of soldiers that can beat there comanders even kakashi said it

[lordHokage]

Well, since Rock Lee is the underdog, I vote for him. :D :leepose

[mestizo311]

Lee wouldn't have a chance without opening the 4th gate and up. During the Chunnin exam Neji didn't look the least bit worried until Lee went to the 4th gate. The Byakugan perceives any attack within a certain distance (take the Neji vs. Kidimorou fight). Without the speed that Lee gets when he's opened the 4th gate, there wouldn't be anyway for him to get counter attacked by Neji. Also, if Neji gets a few hits on Lee with his Jukken it will be all over.

[TheChosenOne]

being a jounin doesnt mean that neji is a whole lot stronger....but that he can also lead a troop, which lee probably cant and thus has not become a jounin...

so pls dont come with this argument.

So Kakashi being a jounin doesn't mean that he is stronger than Iruka. :)

[minato-sama09]

Lee wouldn't have a chance without opening the 4th gate and up. During the Chunnin exam Neji didn't look the least bit worried until Lee went to the 4th gate. The Byakugan perceives any attack within a certain distance (take the Neji vs. Kidimorou fight). Without the speed that Lee gets when he's opened the 4th gate, there wouldn't be anyway for him to get counter attacked by Neji. Also, if Neji gets a few hits on Lee with his Jukken it will be all over.

actually neji also got worried when lee took off the weights

[Decorus]

Keep in mind the way Neji fights his defensive moves also double as offensive attacks, he had sealed all of Hinata's tenketsu in her arm before she had even realized it. You can not fight Neji in close combat without some form of defensive protection as any blow he blocks can be used to injure you, any attack he comes close to landing on you can be turned on you and no amount of physical training gives you any protection from his attacks. Without long range attacks, superior chakra or some form of incredible protection you can't win against Neji.

[minato-sama09]

okay scince they are gonna wait at least two months to show it i want to know what you guys think. who would win between kisame and suigetsu?

Title's been given clarity.
Merged threads.

[Franckie]

okay scince they are gonna wait at least two months to show it i want to know what you guys think. who would win between kisame and suigetsu?
Suitgetsu. Not only is Suigetsu more pimp than Kisame, Kisame hasn't shown anything to counter Suigetsu's ability to turn into water. Monstrous strength and speed are no good against Suitgetsu in addition to whatever suitons Kisame has at his disposal.

[ShadowStrike]

Battle One: Pein vs Sasuke

Who will win?

One with "mighty(rofl)" Rinnegan: Pein

One with "super mighty(rofl)" Sharingan: Sasuke

If they battled, who will be victorious?


Battle Two: Madara vs Sasuke

Madara has Eternal MS, and Sasuke has hatred Sharingan. If they battle, who will be victorious?


Merged threads and posts.

[Oblivion]

Battle One

sasuke cant use the 'hatred' feat and he has really NO knowledge of pain.

further more we have yet to see what sasuke's super jutsu is.

and non of his jutsu's were as powerful as jiraya's hermitmode.

sasuke wont even know how to handle the summon guy. and if the absorb guy is around chidori wont work. (if the bigass rasengan was absorbed than chidori would just be a waste of time)

though sasuke is better in taijutsu then jiraya and faster then him, and has a lot of battle tricks and it also seems he can use about everything oro can he would give a real good fight, but lose ultimatly.

but well lets see what his hidden jutsu is.

i guess he might be able to take out 1 maybe even 2 but not all of em.


Battle Two

other then in the pain battle he can use his hatred motivation feat but as of now seeing that the rasengan cant hit madara, the chidori too wont, and thus the fre jutsu also wont.

any genjutsu wont matter coz sasuke is abel to deal with the strongest eye genjutsu already.

so it really comes down to ninjutsu. and in that part i think it will decied just how much madara's 'cant-be-hit' feat will matter.

maybe sasuke's hidden jutsu can deal with it. or some of oro's bazillion jutsu's sasuke can perform now.

i think we really know too little of madara to declare a clear winner.


Merged posts.

[Franckie]

Battle One: Pein vs Sasuke

Sasuke loses. Ninjutsu and Taijutsu will be useless, and Sasuke cannot count on Pein looking him in the eye for him to genjutsu anyone.


Battle Two: Madara vs Sasuke

Madara has Eternal MS, and Sasuke has hatred Sharingan. If they battle, who will be victorious?

Itachi flat-out told Sasuke he can't kill Madara. Madara wins.

[Decorus]

Sasuke can't beat Pein, nor is Sasuke superior to Jiraiya in Taijutsu or in speed. Jiraiya tends to fight using summons and Sasuke doesn't have the chakra to keep it up. Sasuke is hardly above the average jounin in terms of ability. Impressive speed and a couple hundred jutsu are meaningless in a real fight.

[lordHokage]

Battle One: Pein vs Sasuke

Who will win?

One with "mighty(rofl)" Rinnegan: Pein

One with "super mighty(rofl)" Sharingan: Sasuke

If they battled, who will be victorious?


Battle Two: Madara vs Sasuke

Madara has Eternal MS, and Sasuke has hatred Sharingan. If they battle, who will be victorious?

Sasuke-kun is strong but not strong enough to defeat Pein or Madara. :blink

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Battle One: Pein vs Sasuke

Who will win?

One with "mighty(rofl)" Rinnegan: Pein

One with "super mighty(rofl)" Sharingan: Sasuke

If they battled, who will be victorious?


Battle Two: Madara vs Sasuke

Madara has Eternal MS, and Sasuke has hatred Sharingan. If they battle, who will be victorious?



Merged threads and posts.

why is this even a question. there is no way in hell sasuke can defeat any of those two right now. unless kishi chose to use PLOTWEAKLING NO JUTSU on pein or madara. sasuke couldn't even really defeat a blind itachi

[Delbi]

why is this even a question. there is no way in hell sasuke can defeat any of those two right now. unless kishi chose to use PLOTWEAKLING NO JUTSU on pein or madara. sasuke couldn't even really defeat a blind itachi

You mean like plotstrengthing no jutsu in a few days like he did to Naruto?

I think you could make an argument that Sasuke can beat Pain's bodies with the knowledge Naruto has at his disposal, without it hell no, with it yes I think he could.

Madara is a whole other ball game as we don't have evidence of his full strength and only Shino's jutsu has shown any ability to hurt him in the slightest along with Ameratsu and he escaped both.
[hr]

okay scince they are gonna wait at least two months to show it i want to know what you guys think. who would win between kisame and suigetsu?


I think Kisame wins. I mean it took Gai with six chakra gates open to defeat a 30% Kisame clone.

Kisame has the water element and has shown he is just as good as Suigetsu is with it other than he can't turn into water. Their Suitons are basically cancelled out against one another.

Shadame(sp), Kisame's sword, tears chakra out of people. He could easily drain Suigetsu of all his chakra an kill him easily. Kisame is also, IMO faster and stronger than Suigetsu.

I also say this, because I think Kisame's dimise with be at the hands of Gai so we can see what all 8 gates opened looks like.

[Raizen]

You mean like plotstrengthing no jutsu in a few days like he did to Naruto?

I think you could make an argument that Sasuke can beat Pain's bodies with the knowledge Naruto has at his disposal, without it hell no, with it yes I think he could.

Madara is a whole other ball game as we don't have evidence of his full strength and only Shino's jutsu has shown any ability to hurt him in the slightest along with Ameratsu and he escaped both.
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Whoa buddy, don't even go there.
naruto strength was a long ways coming. We all knew naruto was going to bust out dominate after all teh intense training he has had. Don't make it sound like he became all strong out of nowhere

And u seriously think sasuke could beat pein even w/ the knowledge of his powers? Ur fucking crazy. naruto is superior to sasuke in every aspect and is having a hard time. U say u are not bias but clearly u are

[Delbi]

Whoa buddy, don't even go there.
naruto strength was a long ways coming. We all knew naruto was going to bust out dominate after all teh intense training he has had. Don't make it sound like he became all strong out of nowhere

And u seriously think sasuke could beat pein even w/ the knowledge of his powers? Ur fucking crazy. naruto is superior to sasuke in every aspect and is having a hard time. U say u are not bias but clearly u are

In two and a half years he barley learned shit with Jiraiya. In a few days he becomes a god with the frogs. I'm sorry if I think there is something wrong with that.

As for Sasuke being able to defeat Pain with knowledge of him, its very possible given his abilities. However, Naruto does have a much better chance given the fact he has five summons with him. If Sasuke could have something like that under his belt, along with the prepertion Naruto had, I don't see why he couldn't come close to beating Pain if not beat him outright similar to how Naruto probably will. IMO, Sasuke is not that much weaker than Naruto when Naruto is in SM, and what fight have you been watching, Naruto has yet to have a hard time with Pain.

[Shaunlim]

In two and a half years he barley learned shit with Jiraiya. In a few days he becomes a god with the frogs. I'm sorry if I think there is something wrong with that.


We don't how skilled Naruto was after the timeskip because there isn't a single instance where Naruto could fully fight all out. Not to mention that Jiraiya primarily focus on Kyuubi control and etc. So to say that Naruto wasn't as strong as CS Oro Sasuke is really nonsense. I mean if Naruto were to abuse his Kyuubi up to 3 tails as much as Sasuke does with his CS -_-; , I'm sure he would be as impressive if not even more impressive.

[Delbi]

We don't how skilled Naruto was after the timeskip because there isn't a single instance where Naruto could fully fight all out. Not to mention that Jiraiya primarily focus on Kyuubi control and etc. So to say that Naruto wasn't as strong as CS Oro Sasuke is really nonsense. I mean if Naruto were to abuse his Kyuubi up to 3 tails as much as Sasuke does with his CS -_-; , I'm sure he would be as impressive if not even more impressive.

The wide majority of Naruto's skills he is using now, are thanks to Kakashi and Yamato, and the frogs. I'd say he's going all out agianst Pain and we haven't seen him use anything that Jiraiya might have taught him.

[Shaunlim]

The wide majority of Naruto's skills he is using now, are thanks to Kakashi and Yamato, and the frogs. I'd say he's going all out agianst Pain and we haven't seen him use anything that Jiraiya might have taught him.

There is the KB usage and base Naruto's taijutsu and speed. Like I said as well, Jiraiya focus primarily on Kyuubi control. Thus if Naruto were to abuse his 3 tail mode as much as Sasuke did with his CS, his performance in the entire part 2 would have been much more impressive.

[1TrueSensei]

Sasuke vs. Pein? Seriously? The minds of fans...

Sasuke has nothing he's shown so far that can let him stand up to Pein. How is he gonna handle the non-stop summons from Animal Realm? How is he gonna completely obliterate Asura Realm with one attack, if at all possible? How will he get around Preta's jutsu-absorption abilities, along with dealing with the rest of the bodies. And we haven't even touched Tendou, whom Kishi referred to as being "violent and invincible" and who hasn't done much to disabuse us of that claim?

If Sasuke got owned by Killerbee, he would get owned to the tenth power against Pein. Even if he had all the info in the world.

Now, CS+Oro Sasuke, back when he had the snake powers, that opens up more possibilities. Summoning the large snakes to deal with Animal Realm's summons, using the medium-sized ones in conjunction with taijutsu to take out Preta, maybe using some high-powered Katons to take out Asura. But this is if Sasuke is on the absolute top of his freakin' game with the info that Naruto currently has on the bodies. And even with all that, I still say he'd lose in the end.

So this particular matchup is kinda moot if you ask me.

[Raizen]

It always surprises me how dense and stupid the sasuke fans are to put him on a level comparable to J-man and even Itachi, let alone pein. And then they say something like "i am not a sasuke fan" :notrust. Yeah right

Sasuke would get his ass handed to him in a few seconds

[firework]

Well let's see, Jiraiya > Tsunade and Tsunade = Hokage. Therefore Jiraiya > Hokage.

lol, thats a funny argument. What if Jiraya accepted the hokage role? then
jiraiya=hokage
Tsunade<Jiraiya
Tsunade<Hokage

but thats not true since Tsunade=Hokage

rank is not = power, its obviously seen from naruto post timeskip
here are some ideas for battles

post-time sakura vs zabuza
pre-time (Shikamaru vs. Shino)

[Jinnobi]

Sasuke vs. Pein? Seriously? The minds of fans...

Sasuke has nothing he's shown so far that can let him stand up to Pein. How is he gonna handle the non-stop summons from Animal Realm? How is he gonna completely obliterate Asura Realm with one attack, if at all possible? How will he get around Preta's jutsu-absorption abilities, along with dealing with the rest of the bodies. And we haven't even touched Tendou, whom Kishi referred to as being "violent and invincible" and who hasn't done much to disabuse us of that claim?

If Sasuke got owned by Killerbee, he would get owned to the tenth power against Pein. Even if he had all the info in the world.

Now, CS+Oro Sasuke, back when he had the snake powers, that opens up more possibilities. Summoning the large snakes to deal with Animal Realm's summons, using the medium-sized ones in conjunction with taijutsu to take out Preta, maybe using some high-powered Katons to take out Asura. But this is if Sasuke is on the absolute top of his freakin' game with the info that Naruto currently has on the bodies. And even with all that, I still say he'd lose in the end.

So this particular matchup is kinda moot if you ask me.

This, of course, is coming from someone with Nagato as his avatar...

I'm really not a Sasuke fan. However, the manga is constructed in such a way where Naruto and Sasuke are relatively equal in terms of overall power. It's a plot device which is pretty easy to understand and recognize.

I'd say Sasuke has the tools to defeat Pain but not the knowledge or skill to use them properly. Pain would win, I think. But it would be a closer fight than you'd think. Closer still, if Sasuke had summons like Naruto did.

[Kusachu]

This, of course, is coming from someone with Nagato as his avatar...

I'm really not a Sasuke fan. However, the manga is constructed in such a way where Naruto and Sasuke are relatively equal in terms of overall power. It's a plot device which is pretty easy to understand and recognize.

I'd say Sasuke has the tools to defeat Pain but not the knowledge or skill to use them properly. Pain would win, I think. But it would be a closer fight than you'd think. Closer still, if Sasuke had summons like Naruto did.

Just a random interruption for the sake of argument: Can't Sasuke still summon Snakes? I mean, just because Orochimaru is dead doesn't mean that he can't still use snakes...or does it? That's what I don't like about the whole situation. After Itachi, Sasuke's whole fighting style completely changed. He hasn't even used wires since then. *shrug*

[Darth Executor]

Sasuke vs. Pein? Seriously? The minds of fans...

Sasuke has nothing he's shown so far that can let him stand up to Pein. How is he gonna handle the non-stop summons from Animal Realm? How is he gonna completely obliterate Asura Realm with one attack, if at all possible? How will he get around Preta's jutsu-absorption abilities, along with dealing with the rest of the bodies. And we haven't even touched Tendou, whom Kishi referred to as being "violent and invincible" and who hasn't done much to disabuse us of that claim?

If Sasuke got owned by Killerbee, he would get owned to the tenth power against Pein. Even if he had all the info in the world.

Now, CS+Oro Sasuke, back when he had the snake powers, that opens up more possibilities. Summoning the large snakes to deal with Animal Realm's summons, using the medium-sized ones in conjunction with taijutsu to take out Preta, maybe using some high-powered Katons to take out Asura. But this is if Sasuke is on the absolute top of his freakin' game with the info that Naruto currently has on the bodies. And even with all that, I still say he'd lose in the end.

So this particular matchup is kinda moot if you ask me.

It all depends on whether he can spam tsukuyomi. If he takes out some of the key bodies (hell, deva, fat), he wins. if he can't, he loses.

[Prince Sasuke]

Just a random interruption for the sake of argument: Can't Sasuke still summon Snakes? I mean, just because Orochimaru is dead doesn't mean that he can't still use snakes...or does it? That's what I don't like about the whole situation. After Itachi, Sasuke's whole fighting style completely changed. He hasn't even used wires since then. *shrug*

Theres no evidence that says that Sasuke can't summon snakes,but i doubt if he ever will again. Unless he fights Naruto and Naruto use toads.

[Roflkopt3r]

It all depends on whether he can spam tsukuyomi. If he takes out some of the key bodies (hell, deva, fat), he wins. if he can't, he loses.

Ha, he can't just spam Tsukuyomi as he likes to.
Itachi was seriously exhausted and retreated right after using Tsukuyomi on Kakashi.
Sasuke's tsukuyomi on C was broken when  went rampage on Sasuke, so if he's attacked and in trouble, his genjutsu will be broken.
Instant Tsukuyomi won't have any effect because it's based on causing much pain within a short amount of time. These realms don't feel pain, as Ibiki proved for us.

Using Tsukuyomi at all might be the worst mistake against Pain as there will instantly be five other bodies to overpower him.

I hate those arguments "XXX cannot be beaten in a normal fight", but for Pain this simply is true. As a rinnegan owner, he even is outside life and death as Konan says. He's on a different league than "ordinary" shinobi can get. He's even stronger than the Kyuubi if he doesn't face him in a totally drained-out state after atomic bombing a village with a single jutsu :P

[zerocooldx]

It all depends on whether he can spam tsukuyomi. If he takes out some of the key bodies (hell, deva, fat), he wins. if he can't, he loses.

All of the bodies share the exact same sight and the same chakra. It couldn't possibly be any easer to trap so many individuals into a single gen-jutsu at one time.

[hakuthehedgehog]

All of the bodies share the exact same sight and the same chakra. It couldn't possibly be any easer to trap so many individuals into a single gen-jutsu at one time.

It doesn't work like that, genjutsu (all types) work by disrupting the person's chakra and controlling their 5 senses, which wont affect Nagato and any other bodies because the chakra frequency is constantly being changed.

However, Nagato would see whatever illusion that body would see, rendering that body useless for a while until another one rescues it.

It's funny, the six paths of Pain technique is probably the best anti-sharingan technique in existence, because as Chyio said, the best way to defeat is with more than one person.

[zerocooldx]

It doesn't work like that, genjutsu (all types) work by disrupting the person's chakra and controlling their 5 senses, which wont affect Nagato and any other bodies because the chakra frequency is constantly being changed.

However, Nagato would see whatever illusion that body would see, rendering that body useless for a while until another one rescues it.

It's funny, the six paths of Pain technique is probably the best anti-sharingan technique in existence, because as Chyio said, the best way to defeat is with more than one person.

How is the chakra frequency being changed and where was the stated? There was no talk about the chakra frequencies changing or anything like that. Nagato sent his chakra into the Pains through the black chakra receivers. As a matter of fact when Nagato got into rage and started controlling the Pains while attacking Konoha the chakra receivers of the dead Pain began to receive a signal as well. So there were no signal frequencies changing. If he had faced the Sharingan a gen-jutsu would be cast through sight, and it would effect everyone who saw the same thing and shared the same chakra. Ie. the Pains and more importantly Nagato himself. Also because Nagato had a direct path of chakra that he sent to the Pains, the gen-jutsu would simply follow the chakra trail back to Nagato himself and trap him in the gen-jutsu as well.

The reason that Chiyo said that fighting the Sharingan is best when done with more then one person is because those other people can use their own chakra to break their comrades out of the gen-jutsu, like Sakura and Chiyo freed Naruto. Or they can act as decoys and purposely get trapped while the rest attack from the back like Naruto tried to do with his clones. But when all of those guys share a same active sense and the exact same chakra, all it takes is for one Pain to catch the gen-jutsu and it would immediately piggyback on the chakra being transmitted and make its way back to Nagato and shut down the other bodies while trapping Nagato in the gen-jutsu. It absolutely becomes a worst case scenario to fight a proficient gen-jutsu user. Gen-jutsu was Nagato's weakness, which is why he immediately got rid of Fukasaku before he could cast his sound gen-jutsu.

[Shaunlim]

How is the chakra frequency being changed and where was the stated? There was no talk about the chakra frequencies changing or anything like that. Nagato sent his chakra into the Pains through the black chakra receivers. As a matter of fact when Nagato got into rage and started controlling the Pains while attacking Konoha the chakra receivers of the dead Pain began to receive a signal as well. So there were no signal frequencies changing. If he had faced the Sharingan a gen-jutsu would be cast through sight, and it would effect everyone who saw the same thing and shared the same chakra. Ie. the Pains and more importantly Nagato himself. Also because Nagato had a direct path of chakra that he sent to the Pains, the gen-jutsu would simply follow the chakra trail back to Nagato himself and trap him in the gen-jutsu as well.

The reason that Chiyo said that fighting the Sharingan is best when done with more then one person is because those other people can use their own chakra to break their comrades out of the gen-jutsu, like Sakura and Chiyo freed Naruto. Or they can act as decoys and purposely get trapped while the rest attack from the back like Naruto tried to do with his clones. But when all of those guys share a same active sense and the exact same chakra, all it takes is for one Pain to catch the gen-jutsu and it would immediately piggyback on the chakra being transmitted and make its way back to Nagato and shut down the other bodies while trapping Nagato in the gen-jutsu. It absolutely becomes a worst case scenario to fight a proficient gen-jutsu user. Gen-jutsu was Nagato's weakness, which is why he immediately got rid of Fukasaku before he could cast his sound gen-jutsu.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/435/11

[zerocooldx]

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/435/11

Well the translation that i originally read, which i think was from onemanga, stated that he was hiding his position to well to be tracked. Although i'll accept this translation as more accurate. But either way thanks to Naruto we know that Nagato can be tracked via his chakra path by injection of one of his chakra rods. And more importantly it was demonstrated that jutsu can also make their way to Nagato when Fukasaku and Shima used their gen-jutsu to disable the Pain bodies. And when Nagato stopped them from using the gen-jutsu again on Deva. Because using a gen-jutsu on a dead bodies isn't going to do anything due to the fact that they have no life or independent function. So the frequency thing or his ability to hide his chakra receiver path only seems to work in relation to individuals who are trying to locate him without injecting the receivers inside of themselves. But its still a fact that jutsu can make their may to Nagato by using the chakra receiver path, otherwise gen-jutu wouldn't work on him and he would have no need to stop them from being used. Which was my main point in the previous post.

[Hojinmaru]

If/ when we get to see the resurrected Nagato fight I highly doubt that we'll see his puppets again, if anything we'll get to see the real Nagato spamming different elemental attacks and a few from the big statue as well ( forget it's name, gedo something :/ ). Those puppets have to be prepared in advance and have probably been disposed of by now by Konan.