The Battledome Thread

[Gold Knight]

Eventually we'll have people here posting about possible battles in Naruto that haven't happened yet. It's inevitable.

And actually, it does sound like a lot of fun to predict the outcomes of a few dream match-ups!

But rather than have the Toshokan be taken up by threads focusing on potential match-ups (like at NF), though, let's just keep it to this one thread for now.

So if you've an interesting match-up in your mind that you've been itching to discuss here, do so!

Or if you have a battle that you WOULD like to see happen, what is it?

Or if there's a rematch that you would love to see, for instance Kakashi and Kabuto (I've been waiting forever for that one), you can mention it here too.

If you want to compare/discuss the strength of certain bad guys as compared with certain good guys and vice versa this is also the right place.

Just to keep things from getting too confusing, though, if you're just posting your thoughts on a particular battle, please say which battle.

EDIT: Also - thanks to Anax for suggesting this. Please make it clear which version of the character you want to discuss is involved in the battle: Pre-Timejump or Post-Timejump.

Also, no spam please. If you want to participate in this thread as far as discussing a battle, please try to put some thought in your post. Don't just go "gee whiz, that battle sure would be cool!" :thumbs

[Anax]

Wouldn't want to disappoint you GK but Kakashi (in my mind at least) was the same level as Kabuto.

With the Magenkyou he has probably far surpassed him. With a little bit more excercise Kakashi would have oblitarated Deidara with one shot... I guess what I'm trying to say is, Kabuto would be best fitted as an opponent for the Naruto generation to show us their progress, Kakashi is most likely going to be fighting Akatsuki members.

Which brings me to...

...why don't you post a Kakashi vs Kabuto battle?

Suggestion: Why not ask the future posters to clarify which version of their character is fighting which version. For example "Post-timeskip Naruto vs Pre-timeskip Kabuto". Why? It makes things clearer in cases such as: "The new Naruto could easily beat the old Kabuto/Sasuke/Gaara anytime". Apart from that we haven't seen certain post-timeskip versions yet (namely Sasuke) and we know little-to-nothing about the power of other post-timeskip characters (InoShikaChou, Hinata, Kiba, Shino). Apart from all that, being clear and comprehensive never hurts :D

I might post an X vs Y dream battle in the near future, but I'd like to make it a well thought out and structured one (wouldn't want to rush it).

[Gold Knight]

Good suggestion - editing first post. Also, I might as well mention to be careful with Post-Timejump spoilers, too.

As for my ideal Kakashi and Kabuto battle...



...I don't think the MS would come in play at all in a rematch.

Kakashi had to use his MS against Deidara as a sort of "trump card" but also because he had no choice - Deidara wasn't playing fair, he was way up in the air and flying away, and they had to quickly recover Gaara's body. But against an opponent like Kabuto, let's say Kakashi can't focus on the quick-moving Kabuto long enough to use his MS effectively, anyway.

It would mostly be a battle of dodges and feints and quick attacks. Kabuto would be relying on his Chakra Scalpel and Kakashi would be relying on his Sharingan to predict Kabuto's movements to keep away from Kabuto. But being well acquainted with fighting the Sharingan by now, probably from having trained with Sasuke all these years, Kabuto would have a few tricks up his sleeve as to how to get past that. These two are smart, quick-thinking shinobi who have gone through all sorts of dangerous covert missions. I think it'd be a great battle - and I think, of course, Kakashi would win it, but only on account of having so many jutsus that he can fall back on that Kabuto has probably never seen before.

That's assuming Kabuto sticks around long enough to be defeated, of course, which he probably won't.

[walkie]

hhmm ok let me think about kakashi vs kabuto...

first of all you should not take even one hit from kabuto...since he is a medical ninja, his hit can effect your heart or other muscles (as it did agaisnt naruto) and that could be fatal....you should fight against him from a distance..besides he seems does not know effective long distance ninjutsus or genjutsu....

this is the advantage for kakashi..knowing more than 1000 jutsus kakashi does not need to get close to him and he knows kabuto is medical ninjutsu that one of his hits could effect him dangerously.Kakashi is also very skilled and very fast jutsu user when it comes to ninjutsu (he almost suprised itachi). With good use of kage bunshin or mizu bunshins, kakashi could handle the situation well..

althoug oro said kabuto is at kakashi level, against a very skillful jutsu user kabuto will not survive long i guess.

[Gold Knight]

^
However, Kabuto is pretty quick himself, especially when he eats a soldier pill. He was able to easily elude Tsunade, and though Kakashi could be able to catch Kabuto off-guard with a fast-moving long-range ninjutsu, Kabuto could still take advantage of the situation by going through the earth and reaching up to grab Kakashi's feet, just as he did Shizune.

But I still agree in the end that Kakashi will prevail.

[Anax]

Allow me the comment that going "underground" and attacking with an uppercut has to be the worst technique I've ever seen in Naruto... Should it be a special only pulled of by Sand nins or Earth type nins it'd be ok, but when everyone just about pulls it off as standard Taijutsu it just doesn't feel right, given the overall physics of Naruto's world. Thankfully we haven't seen this move a lot have we? I remember one time when Naruto did it to Neji during the chuunin exam, one mentioned above when Kabuto did it to Shizune (I must be getting old, for I had totaly forgotten that) and one when Kakashi did it to Itachi... any others I have forgotten?
Anyway, sorry for being kind of out of topic, couldn't resist.
(Still if I influence others in not including this technique to the point of stupidity, then I'll be happy)

[Gold Knight]

^
Kakashi, Naruto, and Kabuto so far, that's it. Orochimaru can also do it as well though he more glides than breaks through the earth.

I think Kakashi likely copied the jutsu from some Iwa nin. Naruto likely depended more on the Kyuubi than any kind of jutsu to channel himself through the earth. And Kabuto may originally be from Iwagakure for all we know, or he learned it from Orochimaru.

[glasskatana]

This conversation came up on another one of my threads. Just how powerful are the Sannin compared to other ninja (NOT IN COMPARISON TO EACHOTHER AS THERE IS ALREADY ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THAT!!!). Like Sandaime. Would Orochimaru have lost if he didn't have time to prepare or if Sandaime was a little younger? Was Oro just toying with him? Is Jiraiya really at Hokage-level skill and power? Go ahead debate away :smile-big (try to keep it nice though.)

[Zero1986]

Well let's see, Jiraiya > Tsunade and Tsunade = Hokage. Therefore Jiraiya > Hokage.

[abdulahi]

just to add my views on this
firstly oro jira and tsund are without a doubt ninjas at kage-levels, thats been stated many time in both anime n manga, to prove this, tsund is the 5th, oro is a s-ranked Missing-Nin, and jira made a next s-ranked missing-nin Akatsuki run off cos he was ''to troublesome'' = Uchiha Itachi.

and as for the 3rd, i guess we wont no who's more powerful, a younger 3rd vs a prepared oro, my opinion is oro is more powerful now.

thats all i wanted to say for now at least

[C4animax]

I agree, anyway jiraya was the first being asked to replace the 3rd so he could have say yes and would be hokage by now, oro did beat up the 3rd to a pulp and tsunade is hokage so ....

A younger 3rd vs prepared oro i would think that the young sandaime would kick oro's ass.

I think the topic could go beyond the sanin...

[Rampages]

See khal, everyone agrees with me :D

Not to forget that jiraya's apprentice became a Hokage and both Oro's and Tsunade's apprentices are Jounin.

[siegfried]

See khal, everyone agrees with me :D

Not to forget that jiraya's apprentice became a Hokage and both Oro's and Tsunade's apprentices are Jounin.


this is a different subject.yondaime invented most of his jutsus.it is not about jiraya pretty much.he was more powerful than jiraya.

[Obito]

The younger Sandaime would be able to beat Oro I mean the guy was known as the Professor and when he was trying to do the that soul sealing jutsu he couldn't completely do it because he wasn't young and strong enough.

[Rampages]

this is a different subject.yondaime invented most of his jutsus.it is not about jiraya pretty much.he was more powerful than jiraya.


As Jiraya stated himself, Yondaime had a good teacher. Good teachers raise good apprentices. That's why he wants to raise naruto - he's a challenge.

And yeah, I think Sarutobi was one of the strongest Kage ever to exist, in his time.

[abdulahi]

:sarutobi vs :oro i still think a younger 3rd will still lose to upto date oro. why you ask. simple, the 3rd is not the only person who knows over 1000 moves. i honestly believe so does oro. but the difference between them would be the 3rd unlike oro would be held back by moral. and on that bases i think oro would win because we all know he would use dirty tactics.

[Rampages]

They are ninjas. In a 1v1, there are no morales. All is fair in love and war. Sandaime would certainly go all-out if he had to face oro after his escape from the village, but wether he would win if he was younger or not, I really don't know. It would probably depend on the type of battlefield, their preparations and other circumstances.

[Pyro Darkness]

I think a younger Sandaime vs. an unprepared Oro would definitely win. Look how close he got to killing both of them at his current age. And for those who say that Oro was just toying with him there are scenes where Oro looks like he's having trouble with his edo tensei jutsu. just my opinion though.

[C4animax]

I think a younger Sandaime vs. an unprepared Oro would definitely win. Look how close he got to killing both of them at his current age. And for those who say that Oro was just toying with him there are scenes where Oro looks like he's having trouble with his edo tensei jutsu. just my opinion though.


I think i agree with you at his age he got 2 hokages and almost killed orochimaru and he couldn't only because he had a that sword in him.

[white silver]

[font=tahoma][color=green]Unprepared??? Orochimaru looked pretty prepared to me when he invaded Konoha, what he didn't realize is that the Hokage had the last "Ace" up his sleeve. Had he been younger (and Orochimaru attests to this), he would have taken care of Orochimaru! Which is why Orochimaru constantly taunts him about his age!

[ramicollo]

Hmm.... This is a hard one. Itachi's hand speed (to make seals) couldn't be followed by kakashi, even with his three dot sharingan, and Gai is a taijutsu specialist who is able of unlocking gates. Gai can also fight a sharingan user with out looking into their eyes directly and still fight. As long as Gai doesn't look into Itachi's eyes he has a good chance, so im going with Gai!!! :p

[Frunnik]

Even though Gai is extremely fast and strong, Itachi would most likely be able to predict his movement and dodge/attack. Then again, we don't know what Gai is capable of after opening either 7 or 8 gates. I'd go for Itachi, his ability to predict the moves someone makes is extraordinary, the amount of jutsu's he is capable of doing should be quite impressive aswell. And as stated before he is definitely fast.

[chauron]

MS sharingan is the decisive factor why Itachi wins this ... burning black flames plus peerless mimicing abilities, no fair at all. Plus the fact that Itachi's taijutsu is supposed to be atleast rather OK.

Gai, if he's ready to go all-out and doesnt care if he dies.. and opens too many gates in the process.

[NeoAltoX]

Gai for the win. I'm starting to become anti Itachi to due to this blinding love of Sharingan.

Gai AND Lee tag teaming Itachi in the corniest Ougi EVER. Complete with waves and sun streaks and EVERYTHING.

[choucha0308]

No WAY ! ITACHI RULES !!!!!

Let me explain my reasons : sharigan is not only genjutsu, It also allows his user to learn others jutsu just by seeing them. After many years in Akatsuki, we can assume that he knows some of the other members jutsu.
The second point is the fact that Oro himself said he was weaker than Itachi and I really don't think Gai have a single chance against Oro

[walkie]

Gai would be a tough opponent for itachi...because until now we see itachi someone who depends on his doijutsus, especially genjutsus...as gai said, he knows how to fight against sharingan because he fought many times against kakashi...but in the end i guess itachi will somehow beat him, dont know why just a guess



Itachi's hand speed (to make seals) couldn't be followed by kakashi, even with his three dot sharingan, and Gai is a taijutsu specialist who is able of unlocking gates.

itachi's jutsu speed first suprises kakashi but at their second meeting, kakashi's way of using jutsu suprised itachi ;) kakashi is great genius..:D

[NeoAltoX]

*Rant Alert*

AHHHHHH >_>

Knowing ninjutsu or genjutsu does NOT make you the man. As Sarutobi said there is a LOT more to power than how many jutsu's you know. Which is a direct dig at Orochi and basically any Sharingan user.
Gai has fought agianst Kakashi for years, he knows the limitations and skills of the sharingan and having MS will still not change that basic knowledge.

Sure with Sharingan you can predict the movements, even copy. But you can't dodge it unless your fast enough.
Itachi's hands may be fast (as is expected for someone who uses many jutsu's) but Gai is whole level of fast different.

When Gai got serious agianst 30% Kisame, he was dead in an instant. Busted out the 6th gate and Gai barely looked tired afterwards.

So don't get all giggly about MS and Sharingan yet. I have a feeling that very soon we will see its large limitations.

[SchmoDawg]

I have to say Gai, he has a lot more power then what we've seen. He still has 2 gates left, and I'm guessing one more powerup type deal up his sleave. Plus Sharingan can't effect someone unless you look in their eyes. Gai's friend/nemesis is Kakashi and they have fought for years, Gai has plenty of practice against Kakashi's eye even though it pales in comparison to Itachi's sharingan.

[Frunnik]

I have to say Gai, he has a lot more power then what we've seen.  He still has 2 gates left, and I'm guessing one more powerup type deal up his sleave.  Plus Sharingan can't effect someone unless you look in their eyes.  Gai's friend/nemesis is Kakashi and they have fought for years, Gai has plenty of practice against Kakashi's eye even though it pales in comparison to Itachi's sharingan.


You don't have to look into ones eye to cast a jutsu on him using the Mangekyou Sharingan tho...

[ogreslayer]

I'm going with Itachi, the thing is if Kakashi felt the need for backup with Itachi; I'm sure Gai would too. Based on Databook 2, Kakashi is an overall stonger fighter than Gai... None of Kakashi's Sharingan based weaknesses afflict Itachi either (Low amount of time able to be sustained, etc...). Plus, we have no idea of Itachi's max speed, for all we know he is just a fast and just as strong in Taijutsu... I don't see why he wouldn't have seen Gai's Gouken style before and copied it, He might even be able to do Jyuken if he'd seen any of it.

The sharingan's powers are too vast to be taken lightly, you may be able to limit the copying of your techniques and maybe some prediction by using Gai's methodology but what about the 100's and 1000's of ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu a user may already be capable of using. Thats why the Uchiha bloodline is feared above all others its the only one that provides a benefit in all combat situation, it allows you to walk away from any fight stronger than before, and gives you a defense which while far from absolute is more versitile(sp?) than any of the others we have seen.

[C4animax]

I like itachi as a character and his "power" but i think gai would win, the gates opening is a vey serious power that need to be considered, i mean lee could beat gaara in an instant by opening 5 gates, gai can at least open them to the sixth... GO GAI GO :p

[NeoAltoX]

GAWD once again.....

SHARINGAN CAN COPY BASIC TAIJUTSU BUT CAN NOT DO IT OR DODGE WITH PROPER TRAINING.
SHARINGAN CAN NOT COPY BLOODLINE LIMITS LIKE JYUUKEN WHICH REQUIRES BYAKKUGAN.

*breath*

Sharingan is not all mighty, lest the Uchiha clan would have have been killed off so easily

[mrwhos]

GAWD once again.....

SHARINGAN CAN COPY BASIC TAIJUTSU BUT CAN NOT DO IT OR DODGE WITH PROPER TRAINING.
SHARINGAN CAN NOT COPY BLOODLINE LIMITS LIKE JYUUKEN WHICH REQUIRES BYAKKUGAN.

*breath*

Sharingan is not all mighty, lest the Uchiha clan would have have been killed off so easily


thank god there's non Sharingan blind lover in this forum.


Atm what i have seen and read, Itachi still have some powers that he has and havn't show us yet. And i belive that Itachi whould win against Gai based from what i have read and seen. Itachi traped Kakashi with MS and waste alot of chakra here and he used it again on Sasuske and he managed to escape from Jiraya, without have rest anything since Itachi and Kisame mission was to capture Naruto wich thay almost did, and problely could if Itachi didn't waste to much chakra.

We saw that Itachi had cut of Orochimarus right hand and he said that Itachi is stronger then him. Even Jiraya can't defeat Oro, and Gai is overpowerd with the gates yes. But when he opens the gates his mucles and bones will strugle will have much pain and can't do anything after have used the gates and it's very risky to do that if you whould fail with the attacks.(what Kakashi said in chunnin exam when Lee open the gates) Now Gai can't be stronger then a Sannins either Kaksahi can't be well he almost is.

This i what i think right now.

[C4animax]

GAWD once again.....

SHARINGAN CAN COPY BASIC TAIJUTSU BUT CAN NOT DO IT OR DODGE WITH PROPER TRAINING.
SHARINGAN CAN NOT COPY BLOODLINE LIMITS LIKE JYUUKEN WHICH REQUIRES BYAKKUGAN.

*breath*

Sharingan is not all mighty, lest the Uchiha clan would have have been killed off so easily


Man, sharingan can copy, dodge and apply taijutsu anytime.(you just need the basic speed)
second: there is no jyuuken or such thing here, something is telling me that you missed the Sharingan/byakugan topic!!!!! :D (edit : sorry then :p)

anyway it's about Itachi and gai here , what the heck??? lol


200 Topics, ok i give my autograph away!!!!

[Frunnik]

Man, sharingan can copy, dodge and apply taijutsu anytime.(you just need the basic speed)
second: there is no jyuuken or such thing here, something is telling me that you missed the Sharingan/byakugan topic!!!!! :D

anyway it's about Itachi and gai here , what the heck??? lol


200 Topics, ok i give my autograph away!!!!


I agree on the dodging and copying of high skilled taijutsu as Itachi isn't just a new kid on the block, he has been through quite a lot and definitely has experience. His speed surpassed Sasuke's speed by far when he fought him at the hotel and as you all know, Sasuke aint the slowest among ninja's...

(About the Jyuuken, it is mentioned here and Neoaltox was right about that.)

[hatakescarecrow]

Itachi will pwnzord Gai.
Nuff said.

[ambellina]

I think the reliance on the sharingan was the reason for Itachi's detest with his own clan. Because they had sharingan they thought they we better and deserved power, because of this I think that Itachi trained his other abilities to go along with his sharingan to show just how strong the his clan could be. errrr then he killed them all..........

I don't think that Gai would even stand a chance, and don't get me wrong I think Gai is amazing, but in comparison with Itachi he just can compare. Also the fact that Itachi killed an entire clan of sharingan users, obviously non of them could keep up with his speed despite their sharingan, I think he a lot faster and stronger then people give him credit for.

[NeoAltoX]

Arggggg.

1.) We don't really know if it was Itachi that killed them off. I'm willing to beat you money that he DIDN'T.

2.) Jiraiya may not have killed Oro, but Oro could not kill Jiraiya either. Considering the fact that Jiraiya states that he's only been close to death twice. Once by Tsunade (for peeping) and the other by 4 tailed Kyuubi Naruto. Oro is not mentioned there. I'm almost positive that there ability is even, and they only thing that held Jiraiya back when Oro tried to run was that Jiraiya cared for Oro. But now thats gone.

3.) Itachi AND kisame ran from Jiraiya. If two Akatsuki's can't take one Sannin...that says a lot.

4.) Itachi DID NOT CUT OFF ORO's HAND. Go look at that chapter, there's no mention of it. And once agian Oro believes that jutsu's= strength. So I think that Itachi psyched Oro out with his Sharingan and the fact that he could steal his precious jutsu's.

5.) Sasuke is not THAT fast. For a genin yes...but we are talking about a high jounin level ninja. Kakashi was able to get between a Naruto Rasengan and Sasuke Chidori easily and unscathed. We know that Gai is faster than kakashi, so that also gives an insight.

6.) Sharingan IS NOT OMNIPOTENT. It is said NUMEROUS times that the bane of Sharingan is Taijutsu. Sure you can see the punch, but if are not fast enough to dodge then you just get to see your demise coming.

7.) Sure Itachi has been around the way, but SO HAS GAI. GAI IS OLDER THAN ITACHI. And we know that Gai has no qualms about forbidden jutsu's (considering he knows how to unlock gates which is forbidden) So who knows what other taijutsu moves gai knows.


I just want everyone to stop thinking that Itachi is this ubergod that can't be touched. Gai is strong, when he got serious he one hit killed 30% Kisame, which was stated by Neji to have the same amount of chakra as Kyubbified Naruto.

Long live all non sharingan characters.

[ramicollo]

I think the reliance on the sharingan was the reason for Itachi's detest with his own clan. Because they had sharingan they thought they we better and deserved power, because of this I think that Itachi trained his other abilities to go along with his sharingan to show just how strong the his clan could be. errrr then he killed them all..........

I don't really think so. All that matters to Itachi is POWER nothing else. I think he wanted the entire clan to just totally overpower EVERYONE ELSE. He probably once had high expectations for the clan, seeing as though they have a really advantageous bloodline (great for combat and so no), the ability of the Mangekyou Sharingan (EXTREMELY ADVANTAGEOUS) and the clan didn't seize this great opportunity. In episode 129 about 18 minutes into it Itachi says "I've lost all hope for this pathetic clan" meaning he once had hope for the clan. Thats probably why Itachi slaughtered his clan (if no one in his clan had the ambition he did, he might aswell test his own skills against one of Konoha's strongest clans). His power is everything to him, thats why he left Sasuke alive, to one day test his.

[ambellina]

3.) Itachi AND kisame ran from Jiraiya. If two Akatsuki's can't take one Sannin...that says a lot.


I just want everyone to stop thinking that Itachi is this ubergod that can't be touched. Gai is strong, when he got serious he one hit killed 30% Kisame, which was stated by Neji to have the same amount of chakra as Kyubbified Naruto.

Long live all non sharingan characters.


The only reason Itachi and Kisame ran from Jirayia was because Itahci had used MS already three times that day and he was out of chakura. Kisame even ask him why retreat was necessary for someone with his power.

No Itachi is not an ubergod, if he was he would have no need for Akatsuki. People think that if he didn't have the sharingan he would be nothing, I think that he's a lot better then that. I also agree that Gai is a better then we've seen so far, I just don't think he can beat Itachi.

[ramicollo]

This in my opinion would be a very interesting fight. Even though Neji is a genius from the Hyuuga clan, Shino's chakra eating bugs should make short work of Neji's juuken fighting style. Neji is a close-range fighter and Shino is a mid-range to long-range fighter, giving shino an advantage. Neji has the byakugan, finding Shino's location easily. They both have top-notch analysing skills aswel. The odds seem in Shino's favour but Neji is a "true genius"! But i'd have to say Shino in the end.

[graphic_content]

Neji's speed and his ability to virtually "see" all around him, I feel gives him the upper hand (Im referencing back to his fight against the 'spider' dude of the Sound Five...

and while I dont wanna sound like a fan-boy...

in the three years that have passed...He has successfully made himself into a Jounin, while Shino still remains a Chunnin...a very large test in skill

[ensngre]

I agree with graphic_content on that. Neji would notice the bugs long before they even came remotely close. If it was an ambush, however, Neji's pretty screwed - unless he had some other trick up his sleeves other than the Jyuuken.

Btw, the bugs are chakra-eating, right?

[bastukorv]

This is hard to tell, have we even seen a jutsu been used by Shino except his Bug-clone?

[Rampages]

Shino is a pretty bright guy, too. We don't know how fast he is, but if he could sucessfully dodge Neji's attack I feel he could deal some pretty bad damage to Neji.

[billion bruce lees]

since he can see in 3d and sense all things chakra, i think neiji can win only if he has god speed and dooes the palms of hakke in a split sec, before the bugs mobilize

cuz' if he waits around like he did with that spider guy, he's screwed again

[Rampages]

I think Shino can see in 3D too.

[Rampages]

Gai has advantage. His taijutsu > Itachi's taijutsu. If Itachi can use some mad ninjutsu he could defeat Gai perhaps.

[abdulahi]

my vote would go to shino, because even tho neji can feel/see all around him, how would he stop all those bugs is the questions?? i dont think he will be able to, neji was only able to stop such limited number of spiders if u remember. not to mention these bugs are smaller and a hell lot more in number.

a point i just thought of, lets just say neji does his Hakke Rokujuuyonshou(hitting 64 tenketsu to stop chakra flow) if he did that to shino, can shino's bugs whom live inside him not give shino some chakra or even possible unblock his tenketsu and allow his chakra to flow normally.


I think Shino can see in 3D too. 3D? what do u mean by that, im guessing you meant he also has a 360' degree vision? to some extend thats correct, even tho he may not see in 360, his bugs will alert him to any danger from any direction, so an alternative vision i guess

[ramicollo]

a point i just thought of, lets just say neji does his Hakke Rokujuuyonshou(hitting 64 tenketsu to stop chakra flow) if he did that to shino, can shino's bugs whom live inside him not give shino some chakra or even possible unblock his tenketsu and allow his chakra to flow normally.

Good thinking, I'd have to agree on this one. :smile-big

[ramicollo]

Gai has advantage. His taijutsu > Itachi's taijutsu. If Itachi can use some mad ninjutsu he could defeat Gai perhaps.


Kisame is shown inferior compared to Itachi and Kisame is definetely STRONGER (physical strength) than Gai, also Kisame uses a series of ninjutsu techniques aswel. Meaning that Itachi definetely know how to defeat taijutsu fighters. In that case only Gai's superior speed could give him the advantage.

[NeoAltoX]

Sharingan will be defeated by its reliance on copying.

Sasuke "Ha I can see your every move!"
Sasuke "...there's so many narutos..."

Naruto " OODAMA RASENGAN!!!!"

Sasuke " Ha I will copy your taijut....o crap I can't copy... ARGGGGGGG!!"

[mrwhos]

Sharingan will be defeated by its reliance on copying.

Sasuke "Ha I can see your every move!"
Sasuke "...there's so many narutos..."

Naruto " OODAMA RASENGAN!!!!"

Sasuke " Ha I will copy your taijut....o crap I can't copy... ARGGGGGGG!!"


Word!!! but stay to the topic, will who will win?

[ramicollo]

The sharingan doesn't have to always copy... it can easily perceive the enemy attacks and counter.

[C4animax]

Even if neji seems to have the advantage with his ability i would see shino winning a battle, we don't know much about him but from what we saw he seems to be clever, always ready to move, and most of the time very discret, if it wasn't for his bug eating chakra neji could win...i don't say neji would lose like that but that should give him some hard fight.

[pjoto]

@dula
really, you should have a squirrel in that avatar :p :) would be complete and perfect :D

As for the neji vs shino, I really don't know.
If Shino had managed to put a bug in Neji's blind-spot somehow, he would have a chance, however, during these 3 years, Neji might have been able to find a way to protect his blind-spot somehow.
So as things are now, I think Neji would win. Also, Ten-ten said she was impressed Naruto managed to make Neji stretch out so much, because no other chunin had ever done anything like that. Seemed as if Neji had fought all other on his grade earlier, and it's only natural to include Shino then.
So Neji would have won in Part 1 of Naruto.

However, in Part 2, we really dont know much about Shino or Neji, other than Neji being a prodigy, and Shino seems like a smart guy with allot of patience and knowledge.
So, err, I really dont know.

[ramicollo]

If they were fighting in the forest, Shino would definetely win. The forest is the perfect setting for Shino's fighting style.

[ramicollo]

Kakashi ( not including his MS) Vs Hiashi (Hinata's father)? We all know Kakashi's ability, as for Hiashi... well during the invasion of Konoha he took out many sand and sound jounins using a HUGE kaiten. He therefore probably has huge amounts of chakra. If Hiashi gets Kakashi tenketsus he will definetely win and as for Kakashi, he's a prodigy and should have something up his sleeve! In the end I would say Hiashi, even though Kakashi is intelligent and might find an opening, Hiashi should have special Juuken techniques we haven't seen to counter that. If Kakashi was an Uchiha I would choose him.

[vlado]

Yes , but kakashi can predict hiashi's moves , and use MS :D
He has chidori , and his lightning fast speed.
I bet kakashi wold win for shure.
He's the kid of the man that was compard to the Sannins of his time.

[choucha0308]

Tough choice here...
The fact that hiashi uses bloodline techniques is definitely an advantage for him because kakashi can't copy it.
without comparing Byakugan and SHaringan (already done by smarter people than me :darn)

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2174.0)

I will choose Kakashi because I believe chidori can go through kaiten.
The two techniques are similar : a high density of chacka is expel from the body. But if there is a chidori vs kaiten just like there have been rasengan vs chidori I will bet on chidori :p

[ramicollo]

I'm having thoughts about changing my mind...

[ramicollo]

konoha White Fang ( Hatake Sakumo) Vs Orochimaru? Hatake Sakumo A.K.A konoha White Fang ( Kakashi's father) "had the respect on the same level as the Legendary Sannin" and was refered to as "genius" by Yondaime. Sandaime refered to Orochimaru as a "once in a decade genius". We don't really know Hatake Sakumo but he did kill Chiyo-baasama's son, among other things, so this is pure guessing.
*This poll is probabaly gonna be a popularity contest, :grin *

[choucha0308]

Sorry Ramicollo, nothing personnal but for me it's Orochimaru. :p


"had the respect on the same level as the Legendary Sannin"
It was a long time ago, now the sanins are defintevely stronger than when the White Fang was alive. At that time Oro didn't have the "hey, look at my collection of Hokage no jutsu". Remember that now he have 4 HOKAGE if he wish (by the way : who can fight 4 Hokage ?????)


was refered to as "genius" by Yondaime

Kakashi is refered as "genius" by stunade, that's just mean that he is above average jounin...

[ramicollo]

It was a long time ago, now the sanins are defintevely stronger than when the White Fang was alive. At that time Oro didn't have the "hey, look at my collection of Hokage no jutsu". Remember that now he have 4 HOKAGE if he wish (by the way : who can fight 4 Hokage ?????)

Yeah thats a good point.

[pjoto]

You just love making *** VS *** threads, don't you? :p
oh well, anyway, White Fang would kick Orochimarus ass.
A genious Konoha Hero, the father of the incredible 1000 Copy Ninja Sharingan Kakashi.
I know the White Fang didn't have a Sharingan, but it's not like he would've needed it, I believe he was a kickass ninja.

[goomba27]

unless oro has a secret jutsu that we havent seen his overrated.

[ramicollo]

You just love making *** VS *** threads, don't you? :p

Yup :p . Reading loads of other peoples comments helps me make a more informed decsion, and it damn fun!!

[The Boff]

ok... as you said this is pure guessing but i would have to say Oro..
why? well he is a sannin. he has his own village. he can summon snakes (and theyre pretty effing big!)
his list of jutsus is probably a mile long.... and.... well that should be enough. oh yeah, Edo Tensei. :smile-big

now white fang... . . . . . . . i know nothing about the dude.... :blink

[C4animax]

Man don't want to be annoying and all but that's just nonsense to bring up "x vs y fight, who's the strongest??", especially this time i mean we don't even know anything about the white fang appart being the father of kakashi...if you make another thread like this one bring more of fighters rather than two by two because there is probably 50 characters in the manga story you won't make them all fight will you?...

Next : Gatou vs konohamaru who is da strongest?

[ramicollo]

Man don't want to be annoying and all but that's just nonsense to bring up "x vs y fight, who's the strongest??", especially this time i mean we don't even know anything about the white fang appart being the father of kakashi...if you make another thread like this one bring more of fighters rather than two by two because there is probably 50 characters in the manga story you won't make them all fight will you?...

Next : Gatou vs konohamaru who is da strongest?


:smile-big Yeah sorry I know, there is no real logic to this but what the hell, and i did say

*This poll is probabaly gonna be a popularity contest, :grin *

[venicia777]

ok... as you said this is pure guessing but i would have to say Oro..
why? well he is a sannin. he has his own village. he can summon snakes (and theyre pretty effing big!)
his list of jutsus is probably a mile long.... and.... well that should be enough. oh yeah, Edo Tensei. :smile-big

now white fang... . . . . . . .  i know nothing about the dude.... :blink
i know nothiing much either. Nobody knows much anyways.

the key thing is, around the time he was supposed to have died he was considered on par with the sanins. but that doesnt mean he was on par with the sanins. This is just for argument. I will go for Oro. all the titles like genius Oro has. On top of that we know why he didnt become HoKAGe- he was just evil. At the time he was supposed to be alive- Oro was supposedly the strongest of the sanin. So basing this on the time of him been alive(white fang)- i vote for Oro.

[Rampages]

3D? what do u mean by that, im guessing you meant he also has a 360' degree vision? to some extend thats correct, even tho he may not see in 360, his bugs will alert him to any danger from any direction, so an alternative vision i guess


Nah, I meant 3-dimensional. Sarcasm intended at the guy before me lol.

But nice post; if Shino's chakra is directly connected to his insect minions, he could call huge ammounts of them until Neji's chakra wears out, then the bugs will eat him alive.

[ramicollo]

I think Shino can see in 3D too.


I don't understand how Shino can possibly see in 3-D?

[Rampages]

I'll tell you a secret; if I concentrate my chakra and focus my mind enough, I can see in 3D too...

[husnimubarak]

what if shino fighting style like gaara of the sand??? :blink

long range fights.. and it depends on the shino's bug collections..
(it's still a mystery)

and we allready know much about neji kun..

ninjutsu is not about powers.. but technique that others can't even predict!!!

shino will win.. :smile-big

[Predator]

Added several Character vs. Character threads in here. Let's be considerate and not clutter the forum too much. - P


:woot :wussfight

[NeoAltoX]

Its sad to see everyone discount the strongest clan in leafe.
Hyuuga and Byakkugan over almost anything.

As for Shino vs. Neji, even if the bugs can open the Tenketsu it doesn't matter. There is more than just the 64 hand hakke ya know.

The hachimon basically DESTROYS YOUR HEART. Lets see some bugs fix that... Shino is awesome don't get me wrong. But Neji is on a level above his, which can be seen by the fact that he's a Jounin.

I'm going to have to make a thread entitled "Respect the Byakkugan"

[Rampages]

I must say it was Saukura vs Ino; one of the best fights in naruto!!! What a heated battle that was!

Neji/Hinata takes close second :smile-big

Anyways, what do you guys think ?

[ramicollo]

I must say it was Saukura vs Ino; one of the best fights in naruto!!! What a heated battle that was!

... That was your favourite fight, well I liked Rock Lee Vs Gaara the best.

[eaballer10]

Rock vs. Gaara by far...

Then Sasuke vs. Gaara

btw, you can add a poll of all the chunnin fights... That way you get alot of the people's opinion who just look at this thread without making any responses. :smile-big

[ramicollo]

Gaara's fights will always be interesting because the opponent will either stand no chance at all or will have as ace up his sleeve for the fight to actually last 5 mins.

[TheCoreDruid]

Gaara vs Lee followed closely by Neji vs Naruto

Actually, if you go prior to the tiered fights, Sasuke vs Orochimaru. And afterwards the havok Sasuke unleashes on those sound nin.

[abdulahi]

sorry but i thought sakura and ino was the worst fight but respects to anyone who liked it, we all have different taste

and TheCoreDruid hit the bullseye here
Rock(top boy)Lee vs gaara (remember when he takes of the wights, nuff said)

then kyuubified naruto vs full strength neji.

and i loved the suprise elements form shikamarus fights also.

[C4animax]

Lee vs gaara, it was just plain cool, as dula say it was so great when he took his weight off!
sasuke vs orochimaru was at the same level really.

anyway any fight that has lee, gaara, sasuke and neji will automaticly turn to be a good moment of entertainement!!

[Rampages]

Rock vs. Gaara by far...

Then Sasuke vs. Gaara

btw, you can add a poll of all the chunnin fights... That way you get alot of the people's opinion who just look at this thread without making any responses. :smile-big


Nah man, I know well that LeeVsGaara will win with 90% of the votes :p

I also know that InoVsSakura fight is the most hated fight overall :D

But come on, they're girls, take it easy on them!

[abdulahi]

But come on, they're girls, take it easy on them! we shouldnt use the sex card but in honest i do feel naruto series under looks the female character in someways, like that fight was so boring in my view because nothing really special happened there did it.

but on the other side stands the powerful 5th hokage.

back to the main topic, i love the fight between shikamaru and temari, smart moves happening all over!!!!!!

[sushi-girl-27]

First: Sabaku no Gaara VS Rock Lee

Second: Hyuuga Neji VS Hyuuga Hinata

Third: Aburame Shino VS Kankurou (in the forest while chasing after Sasuke)

[tsukiyomii100]

The first time I heard of/saw Naruto was Rock Lee vs. Gaara....after that I was hooked. So:

1) Rock Lee v. Gaara

2) Naruto v. Neji

3) Shikamaru v. Temari

[Rampages]

First time I saw Lee I kinda backed away from naruto...then I saw Tsunade/Jiraya/Oro and I was hooked for life XD

(Yeah I started there, finished that arc and started back from begining from there...lol I don't advise anyone to do the same :p)

[billion bruce lees]

neiji is a jounin, just that aknowledged differecnce in ability, on top of that, he's a true genious

[NeoAltoX]

1.) Rock Lee v. Gaara
2.) Neji v. Naruto
3.) Temari v. Shikamaru

Awesome, awesome fights.

[Kusachu]

does gaara vs naruto count? cuz that was pretty bad @$$. *nods* OMG! SANDAIME VS. OROCHIMARU PWNS ALL! that fight was dang special. *nods*

[zelllogan]

gaara vs rock lee
sasuke vs gaara
oro vs sasuke

[spactaa]

1/Rock Lee vs Gaara
2/Shikamaru vs Temari / Oro vs sasuke
3/sasuke vs yoroi (just beacause of shishi rendan, the fight was pretty lame)

last/Sakura vs ino
Never expected much about this, though the fight managed to disappoint me, plus their relashionship is boring.

Ps:I love oro vs sasuke, but only in the anime.

[Miso]

*I moved the conversation to the Naruto Battledome thread


My favourite chuunin fight was Garra vs. Lee.
I mean Lee was like OMG when he got speed up and opened the gates.
And Gaara was awesome with his cold expression and his uber skills.

[billion bruce lees]

that fight gave me chills, my response was like the people in the crowd of the manga OMFG!!

[abdulahi]

1.) Rock Lee v. Gaara
2.) Neji v. Naruto
3.) Temari v. Shikamaru -*BULLSEYE*-

[billion bruce lees]

dude went fu#%$& super saiyan and shiza my jaw was agape.

but i am a huge fan of kimmimaro, talk about strong.
so i nominate

kimmimaro vs gaara
naruto vs gaara
chouji vs kidomaru

[ramicollo]

chouji vs kidomaru


Chouji does not fight Kidomaru.

[billion bruce lees]

oh, sorry i meant the fat guy( too lazy to look up name)

[The Boff]

jiroubo

[Rampages]

Itachi vs Sasori.

Who do you believe will win ?

[ramicollo]

Itachi uses ameretsu and blows that puppet freak to hell.

[billion bruce lees]

thank you, that fight was hot.made me open my eyes to choji really

[Darkcinosking]

Gai AND Lee tag teaming Itachi in the corniest Ougi EVER. Complete with waves and sun streaks and EVERYTHING

That would be a sight for sore eyes......

3 Battles that I would love to see:
Time Skip Kabuto vs Time skip Kakashi
Time Skip Neji Vs Time Skip Sasuke :sgan
4TK Naruto vs CS2 Sasuke [with Naruto restoating to THAT jutsu]

[billion bruce lees]

That would be a sight for sore eyes......

3 Battles that I would love to see:
Time Skip Kabuto vs Time skip Kakashi
Time Skip Neji Vs Time Skip Sasuke :sgan
4TK Naruto vs CS2 Sasuke [with Naruto restoating to THAT jutsu]
i don't think he'd be able to use it once he loses his mind

[Kusachu]

thank you, that fight was hot.made me open my eyes to choji really


XD I liked when chouji magically became a hottie and a bad@$$ all at once! XD That was priceless. I dig chouji a lot. *nods* oh and timeskip chouji is awesome! XD

[billion bruce lees]

what had my jaw on the floor was, he shrank to like ultra skinny choji, to use that much fat energy that fast, geez

[Obito]

XD I liked when chouji magically became a hottie and a bad@$$ all at once! XD That was priceless. I dig chouji a lot. *nods* oh and timeskip chouji is awesome! XD


Timeskip Choji with the longer hair XD, he looks alot like his dad and I thought when he became skinny he looked like one hell of a cool guy and real tough.


http://images3.pictiger.com/thumbs/84/f9cf0d488ec2920ec9023e55272d5c84.th.jpg (http://server3.pictiger.com/img/217057/picture-hosting/chouji.php)

[ramicollo]

Chouji looked very powerful after eating the three pills and his outfit in part 2 is damn cool.

[NeoAltoX]

Its the bang that makes Chouji look badass. Thats his secret...its all in the bangs.

[ramicollo]

Its the bang that makes Chouji look badass. Thats his secret...its all in the bangs.


I'm not familliar with the term "bangs"???

[NeoAltoX]

The part of his hair that flops down in front of his face. Its the almighty bang. Why its called a bang I do not. But the bang is almighty, even better than a mullet.

[NeoAltoX]

Everyone has a bunch of theories of who would beat who. But how about, in the actual Naruto storyline who will be defeated by who.

Itachi killed by Naruto.
Oro defeated by Jiraiya and Naruto.

Kakashi killed by Itachi or Kabuto.
Gai defeats Kisame

Sakura defeats no one :-p

[ramicollo]

Everyone has a bunch of theories of who would beat who. But how about, in the actual Naruto storyline who will be defeated by who.

Itachi killed by Naruto.
Oro defeated by Jiraiya and Naruto.

Kakashi killed by Itachi or Kabuto.
Gai defeats Kisame

Sakura defeats no one :-p




It just has to be Sasuke who beats Itachi, unless Kishi wants to diploy yet another twist in the story. I don't think Kabuto can actually kill Kakashi, even though he may come very close. As for the Sakura comment ...LOL, although she (with the help of Chiyobasa) already defeated Sasori.

[ramicollo]

Okay, thats true he does.

[NeoAltoX]

Well according to Chiyo he let himself be killed. And personally I think Itachi not getting killed by Sasuke would be the ultimate twist.

Sasuke turns his back on his village and can still not kill Itachi, thus fully turning Sasuke to the darkest side.

[ramicollo]

Well according to Chiyo he let himself be killed. And personally I think Itachi not getting killed by Sasuke would be the ultimate twist.

Sasuke turns his back on his village and can still not kill Itachi, thus fully turning Sasuke to the darkest side.


Yeah Sasuke would be devestated if Itachi was killed by the hands of someone else, especially Naruto!

[NeoAltoX]

So maybe its a lot of wishful thinking about imagine the moment.

Itachi and Sasuke have an epic fight but Sasuke finds that he's still not powerful enough. Itachi tells Sasuke the truth of the death of the clan as Sasuke loses conscienceness.

Naruto comes in and thinks that Itachi is about to kill Sasuke and goes into a Kyuubi rage.
Sasuke wakes up in time to see Naruto use either his new jutsu or a crazy Oodama Rasengan and kill Itachi.

Then you get to see Sasuke just FLIP OUT. ^_^

[ramicollo]

Sasuke will most certainly have a nervous breakdown or some kind of mental collapse.

[Kusachu]

Sasuke will most certainly have a nervous breakdown or some kind of mental collapse.


i think that has already happened...lol

[ramicollo]

i think that has already happened...lol


Yeah true, thus abandoning Konoha and on his path to avenge the Uchiha clan.

[billion bruce lees]

haha, i musta missed him using it in that fight,heheh :p

[Galth]

Itachi killed by Naruto.
Oro defeated by Jiraiya and Naruto.

Kakashi killed by Itachi or Kabuto.
Gai defeats Kisame

Sakura defeats no one :-p


I'd say:
Itachi < Sasuke... yeah, i don't think Kishi has the guts to do otherwise :p

Orochimaru < Jiraiya, now i would love to see those two battle it out, and if Oro might win, we'll see Naruto avenge his mentor as a backup.
Alternate: Orochimaru < Kabuto... probably because i want him to betray Oro ;) ( though i don't want him to turn to the ''light side', Kabuto must join Akatsuki or something :p )

Kisame < Gai... may well be, but i don't think Kisame will die...

Kabuto < Kakashi... just because their strengths were compared by Orochimaru once... and it will happen during this very arc, as far as my predictions go... (i don't want you to die, kabuto-sama :crying)

Sasuke < Naruto... last arc/end of naruto part two, would be awesome :) talk about an emotional moment

[NeoAltoX]

In end the I think it will be either Naruto vs. Oro or Naruto vs. Akaksuki member.

And I really think that if Jiraiya fights oro he will beat him or fight him to a standstill. I just don't see Jiraiya losing (unless its on purpose)

My bet is on Kakashi to die.

[ramicollo]

It would suck if Kakashi died, but it would really heat things up between the rest of team 7.

[Obito]

So maybe its a lot of wishful thinking about imagine the moment.

Itachi and Sasuke have an epic fight but Sasuke finds that he's still not powerful enough. Itachi tells Sasuke the truth of the death of the clan as Sasuke loses conscienceness.

Naruto comes in and thinks that Itachi is about to kill Sasuke and goes into a Kyuubi rage.
Sasuke wakes up in time to see Naruto use either his new jutsu or a crazy Oodama Rasengan and kill Itachi.

Then you get to see Sasuke just FLIP OUT. ^_^

A great twist would be that: Itachi fights Sasuke who gets knocked out. Naruto then thinks that Itachi has already killed Sasuke and uses 'that jutsu' which sends Itachi flying only for Sasuke to wake up and see Naruto with blood on his hands and Itachi on the ground.
Sasuke then goes into a rage and almost kills Naruto but then Itachi stands up and and throws a kunai at the back of Sasuke. Both Naruto and Sasuke are near death but then Sakura comes and uses her superhuman strength to do a combo on Itachi in which he falls of a cliff and plummits to his death.
Now that would be a twist, no?
And I also think Kakashi will die at some point too.

[NeoAltoX]

Ha Sakura killing someone. That would be the ulitimate twist.

[Galth]

Ha Sakura killing someone. That would be the ulitimate twist.


*cough* sasori *cough*

[NeoAltoX]

No Chiyo killed Sasori with his Mom and Dad puppets, or more importantly he let himself get killed.

Sakura has yet to kill anyone with her own skills.

[Jammin]

Lets see, these are the ones I like in chronological order.

Naruto will kill Sai
(Mostly just wishful thinking here :smile-big. I don't like Sai's jutsu)

Sakura will kill Kabuto
(I like Kabuto and I think he's stronger than Sakura but, I just can't shake the feeling that he's gonna die by the hand of another medical ninja)

Naruto will kill Itachi
(It would take away Sasuke's reason for living, thus driving him insane(er) and give him insentive to go after Naruto.)

Rock Lee will take out Kisame ;)
(No reasoning here it would just be cool.)

Naruto and Sakura will end up beating Sasuke
(I expect this will be very much like the Jiraiya, Tsunade vs Orochimaru fight. Sasuke will survive this however their's a good chance Naruto will blind him.)

Sasuke will kill Orochimaru
(At the cost of his life, a heroic end :crying)

[NeoAltoX]

I personally don't want to see Sasuke turn back to good. I want him to stay bad all the way to his timely death.

[supersajjin]

Here is my 2 cents. Oni and Jiry will fight. Oni will win sending Naruto into a rage and forcing him to fight oni. This will be a cool fight forcing naruto to use jujistu we never seen, but kabuto will back stab oni and kill him. Kabuto will go back to Aktsuki cuz he was with them the whole time. Sasuke won't join Naruto and team 7, but go after his brother alone, while Naruto and team 7 face aktsuki. While fighting atsuki, Gai's team will join and Gai will gifht kisime(dunno how u spell it) While fighting him, Gai will go all out, but wont stand and hold his own, but will be over powered, this will force kakasi to come in and help him, but die in the process, saving gai. Yet Gai will have managed to defeat and kill kisame. This will make naruto go crazy and revert back to his 4 tailed form, and in the process we might even see his 5 tail and as well 6th. Here is where all of Naruto's friend discover that naruto has had a kubyii inside him this whole time. There they will team up and save him. Later after saving naruto, sasuke will hear the news that kakasi has died. He will join team 7 fto find aktsuki. There they will face the rest of the organization and Naruto finds out that the leader of the clan is the 4th, the guy naruto looks up to and also finds out it's his father. This will cause naruto emotional confusion. He wont know what to do, but then the 5th hokage tell naruto the truth about the 4th and how the 3rd has misinterpreted the message the 4th had left about how he died saving the village. But in fact the 4th was so strong, he felt that being the hokage was limiting his powers which were still growing. Sakura will talk to naruto and save him, just like he has saved her. This will give naruto new determination and naruto will finally decide its time he confronts the demon inside him. Naruto will face the demon inside him and will win finally locking the demon for good at the same time releasing Naruto's true powers which has been held back this whole time since he has been using the demon's powers this whole time. This will lead to naruto finding the rest of the atsuki , he will fight them and finally face the leader...HIS FATHER! There his father will tell naruto the truth and at the same time ehere we will meet naruto's mom. His father will try to convince naruto to join them, but naruto wont and fight his father and does good, but ends up losing. So he gets captured. Sakura will fight kabuto and kick his ass and blame him for a lot of the shit that is going on and for kakasi's death. I believe later on, Naruto's mom talks to naruto and why she abandoned naruto. She says that she left with the 4th b/c she loved him, but was forced to leave naruto behind and that she never forgot naruto. Naruto wont know wat to believe. Later Naruto's mom will help naruto escape a nd some other stuff happening and thus finally bring us to the climax of the Manga. Naruto will face the 4th and go all out. In this fight Naruto will use the yellow flash, but will get beat by the 4th, but Naruto's mom will help naruto and she will get killed, this will make naruto go insane and in the end naruto will have defeated the 4th. While this battle is happening, sasuke will face itachi, during this time he will fight itachi and they will be talkin while fighting, in the end it would look like Sasuke is about to win, then 2 other atsuki members will interfere and kick sasuke ass, and when they are about to kill him, Itachi will save sasuke and get killed, but before he dies, itachi will tell sasuke the truth about that night. That itachi never killed the clan, but two members of the atsuki killed everyone. They were trying to get itacho to join atsuki, but itachi refused, so the 4th send two members to kill the whole clan. And the reason sasuke was told that itachi killed them was for sasuke to get stronger then him and be able to defeat the atsuki and get revenge for the clan since he was not strong enough to defeat them himself. This will cause sasuke to go crazy after hearing the truth and watching his brother die. He will fight the two memebrs and kill them. After all the battles are done this is what i think will happen. Naruto will make a grave for his mom and will remember the 4th hokage as he was when he was good. Sasuke, will make a grave for his brother and finally forgive his brother. In his mind, he will remember the brother that had smiled at him when he was young. Sasuke wont return to the village. In the end naruto becomes the 6th hokage and is the strongest hokage of them all. THE END!

[Kusachu]

Danzo is gonna try like mad to kill Tsunade. *nods* at least, that is my hope.

[Rampages]

Yeah, Danzou should try to kill Tsunade, I mean its been 40 years, dude, make your move already lol :p

[NeoAltoX]

Tsunade will own Danzou, I surely hope we get to see that.

[husnimubarak]

Sannin.. Is legendary.. as you see.. Akatsuki respects them..
they are all above kage level..

but a kage is someone who should give all of his/her attention to his/her people..

soo.. jiraiya doesn't qualified yet to be a kage..

[ramicollo]

Sannin.. Is legendary.. as you see.. Akatsuki respects them..
they are all above kage level..

but a kage is someone who should give all of his/her attention to his/her people..

soo.. jiraiya doesn't qualified yet to be a kage..


Even though he is not commited to being Hokage, he is still Kage level.

[husnimubarak]

yes.. for the skill, tehnique, and ability.. he may surpassed kage level..
he just.. hemm... ;) he is.. jiraiyasama.. naughty old boy.. hegheheg... ;D

[Rampages]

Sannin.. Is legendary.. as you see.. Akatsuki respects them..
they are all above kage level..


So what your saying is...by becoming a kage Tsunade became weaker than she was ?

[white silver]

[color=green][font=tahoma]Hmmmmm.. ABOVE Kage-level, I wonder what you CALL THAT? If Sandaime/Yondaime was at Kage level (even at Sandaime's prime), how can the Sannin overpass THEM?

[husnimubarak]

not become weaker..
well.. frankly.. not every professor could do some teachings to elementary students..  ;)
soo.. it will took some other qualification to be hokage..

it' my apologize.. the sannin are kage level..
but, in some conditions.. defeating kage is possible for sannin's level..

not all kage as strong as sandaime/yondaime..

[ramicollo]

I guess it depends on the individuals, Oro (sannin level) is able to take out any of the other Kages, so I guess that makes him Kage level aswell. But I think he would loose to younger Sandaime (in his prime).

[UzumakiRoman]

Sannin, Kage, S-ranked missing nin, all the same level.
they all have supreme jutsu that set them apart from all the other ordinary ninjas

and that comment about Jiraiya not being qualified to be Hokage, wrong!
he is smart enough to know that dealing with the politics of being a Hokage is not his style
that's why he passed it to Tsunade, his talents are best used creating excellent ninja like the 4th.

and a younger Sandaime would have housed Orochimaru, Oro admitted it himself, especially since Sandaime was the Professor!!
and i believe that Sandaime's knowledge still exceeded Orochimaru's(the fourth's sealing technique)!!

[ramicollo]

Sannin, Kage, S-ranked missing nin, all the same level.


Yeah I agree. I wonder how the fourth ever discovered the sealing technique...

[Kusachu]

i think sakura will beat sasuke...or at least hit him in the face good and proper.[br]Posted at: April 17, 2006, 01:02:33 AM_________________________________________________

Tsunade will own Danzou, I surely hope we get to see that.


danzou doesn't have to fight her directly, he has a whole friggin roots team to do it for him...but since sai is a sell out...XP i think he might not get the chance...XP

[DarkManSharingan32]

So maybe its a lot of wishful thinking about imagine the moment.

Itachi and Sasuke have an epic fight but Sasuke finds that he's still not powerful enough. Itachi tells Sasuke the truth of the death of the clan as Sasuke loses conscienceness.

Naruto comes in and thinks that Itachi is about to kill Sasuke and goes into a Kyuubi rage.
Sasuke wakes up in time to see Naruto use either his new jutsu or a crazy Oodama Rasengan and kill Itachi.

Then you get to see Sasuke just FLIP OUT. ^_^


Ha ha, this is exactly what i've been saying for a while now... I havent seen many other people back it up though... Itachi's true intentions... mwaaahhaa...
---

Now.. storyline wise...
Sakura may never kill anyone by herself... that is just the frickin nature of a Medical nin. Kabuto and Tsunade, yes... But at this point, i have no idea if Sakura can use medical jutsu offensively...

But that being said... Sakura will be the reason for alot of Akatuki deaths in the future, as a prominant character, as well as Skilled med-nn, she will be neck-up in dangerous battles, and each time, i expect her to rise up to the challenge.
---

Later on...

Kisame vs. Gai("Rematch") .... Gai will be killed by Kisame shocking the shit out of fans everywhere...
Lee will see this, and be enraged, setting up an eventual Lee vs. Kisame... where Lee will use the 8th Gate to avenge Gai, and will die. (Imagine the Samehada breaking at trying to absorb the energy from the 8th gate)

Gaara vs. Diedara (Re-match) .... Gaara wins by a landslide.... Literally, Gaara will drop a fuckin mountain on Diedara...
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Hmm... I think of any other cool storyline battles... so, thats it for now...lol

[Kusachu]

super saiyans pwn all...lolololol sorry...heh...I am just happy that they have "levels" at all and not "POWER LEVEL 45,000 AND COUNTING! OMG 50, 000!!! WTF!?!" lol

Sannin are feared throughout the land, but then, folks dont really know about akatsuki...sinse they are a shadow oranization and all...hmmmm...

[ramicollo]

Kisame vs. Gai("Rematch") .... Gai will be killed by Kisame shocking the shit out of fans everywhere...
Lee will see this, and be enraged, setting up an eventual Lee vs. Kisame... where Lee will use the 8th Gate to avenge Gai, and will die. (Imagine the Samehada breaking at trying to absorb the energy from the 8th gate)

Great prediction :thumbs, I would love to see this!!! This storyline would go great with Kishi suprising style of writing/drawing manga...

[Kusachu]

HA!  Mullet....Jiraiya sorta has one XD  Buisness in the front, party in the back!  XD  OH!  yeah i can't wait to see how cool timeskip chouji's outfit looks in battle!  Oh wow...i just thought...i wonder what kind of material his clothes are made out of that he can get that big and not rip out of them like the hulk!?!  and when he got skinny...why did his clothes shrink too?  It must be like saiyan armor!    :imslow

[white silver]

super saiyans pwn all...lolololol  sorry...heh...I am just happy that they have "levels" at all and not "POWER LEVEL 45,000 AND COUNTING!  OMG 50, 000!!! WTF!?!"  lol

Sannin are feared throughout the land, but then, folks dont really know about akatsuki...sinse they are a shadow oranization and all...hmmmm...


[font=tahoma][color=green]On the contrary, after the time skip, the Sand found out about it, and I don't think it would stop there, they're dealing with S-Class Criminals (grouping together) from ALL over the world. They should expose the Akatsuki as much as possible, every country should know about this news!

[WarmIce]

Post-timeskip fights I'll love to be witness to, although the chance of that is near impossible:

1) Kiba v. Shino
2) Hinata v. Tenten
3) Neji v. Itachi
4) Lee v. Neji
5) Hinata v. Neji
6) Temari v. Ino

[Kusachu]

HA!  Mullet....Jiraiya sorta has one XD  Buisness in the front, party in the back!  XD  OH!  yeah i can't wait to see how cool timeskip chouji's outfit looks in battle!  Oh wow...i just thought...i wonder what kind of material his clothes are made out of that he can get that big and not rip out of them like the hulk!?!  and when he got skinny...why did his clothes shrink too?  It must be like saiyan armor!     :imslow


WOOPS!  wrong thread...XP  okay, so i get confused sometimes...(thought it was the timeskip outfit thread...XP)

Timeskip battles?? 

The Leader vs anyone

Sakura vs Sasuke

Oro vs Yamoto

Sai vs Naruto (like it will ever happen...*sigh* XP)

Itachi vs Kakashi (full power)

[billion bruce lees]

HA! Mullet....Jiraiya sorta has one XD Buisness in the front, party in the back! XD OH! yeah i can't wait to see how cool timeskip chouji's outfit looks in battle! Oh wow...i just thought...i wonder what kind of material his clothes are made out of that he can get that big and not rip out of them like the hulk!?! and when he got skinny...why did his clothes shrink too? It must be like saiyan armor! :imslow
hahahahaha..

i don't wanna see itachi vs kakashi.. i like kakashi too much

lee on a solo mission whoopin' ass

naruto rippin' through oro's new subordinates

yamato vs oro ...god you know i'm drooling, pools of drool

and sasuke vs itachi in pt 3

[The Boff]

What would you all think of a battle between Konohamaru and Orochimaru?
I know that the idea is laughable right now but think about it.
Konohamaru has a score to settle, Oro killed his grandpa. And Kono will
without a doubt become stronger in the future. he does have the genes for
kick ass in him. it COULD be a cool fight. i mean right now everybody is all like
naruto gonna kill him, sasuke gonna kill him, kabuto gonna kill him.
but i would really love to see our little Konohamaru destroy the man that wants
to destroy konoha. poetic justice dont you think?

[ramicollo]

Yeah I guess it would be poetic justice if Konohamaru killed Oro, but the manga will have to go on a long time for Konohamaru to be old enough to kill him. He does have the genes to kick his ass, he also has a elite jounin sensei (even though he's perverted) Ebisu, who has been giving him special tuition since a young age. In the end I still think someone is going to beat him to the punch...

[The Boff]

In the end I still think someone is going to beat him to the punch...


yeah so do I, but a man can dream though.

[cap14]

Okay ... so it's not necessarily an "upcoming" battle, but I'd love to see the young sannin team vs. anyone. Ah, if only there was just a one off episode of the sannin team on a mission. One sannin is scary enough ... as a team ... terrifying!

[Rampages]

Okay ... so it's not necessarily an "upcoming" battle, but I'd love to see the young sannin team vs. anyone. Ah, if only there was just a one off episode of the sannin team on a mission. One sannin is scary enough ... as a team ... terrifying!


That would make for some crazy action-packed battle!

Team Kakashi and team Gai vs. team Sarutobi!(and I'm not talking about Asuma here XD)

[Arsonist]

:grin now that would be a fight to remember

[ramicollo]

I think the Sannin team would win hands down.[br]Posted at: April 19, 2006, 12:45:53 AM_________________________________________________What do you think about Yamato Vs Kimimaro (if he still were alive)?

[Arsonist]

kimi has mean, really mean taijutsu but yamato isn't that bad either i suppose. and he has some sweet genes to his advantage. I'd say...kimimaro in full health and yamato if not.

[Kusachu]

sasuke vs orochimaru...for real, like sasuke trying to kill his master. i think that would be fun, not likely, but fun.

and a nice filler ep with some the old teams or something like jiraiya remembering training with saru and oro and tsu...or god forbid, remembering training his own students!!! *drool* i say that here because well, there would have to be fighting in such an episode...lol so yeah...it's still on topic

[Rampages]

sasuke vs orochimaru...for real, like sasuke trying to kill his master. i think that would be fun, not likely, but fun.


Oro would just activate seal and sasuke will once again be at his mercy.

Without cheating, Oro could still break sasuke with genjutsu+ninjutsu.

[Kusachu]

Oro would just activate seal and sasuke will once again be at his mercy.

Without cheating, Oro could still break sasuke with genjutsu+ninjutsu.


true true. but still. it would be fun to watch!! XD even more so if oro DID break him.

[glasskatana]

This thread is to have people compare/discuss the Strength of certain bad guys as compared with certain good guys and vice versa. I will start it off with this. I think that a Kakashi pre-Mangekyou vs. a Kimimaro pre-disease would be a basically even fight. In my opinion Kimiaro could even win.


Although your idea is very fine it occurs to me that this also turns out to be some kind of battledome thread. Thus I merged it. -Miso-

[Reui]

I think Kimi is hyped up a bit more than he should be. Let me start out by saying that no Fighter completely based around Tai-Jutsu style attacks can hold a candle to him. Gai and Naruto are both completely outmatched by his Blood Line Limit. However Kakashi is not. Kakashi can fight at a range and use powerful jutsu to defeat his opponent and not be forced to use Close quarters combat. Kakashi is the ultimate triple threat being able to fight any style that is neccessary at the time. I think Kimi could take down Gai probably but i think Hes no match for Kakashi even if he goes to lvl 1 and 2 curse seals.

[Kusachu]

nope nope nope.  Kimimaro isn't just using taijutsu.  he's using a bloodline skill...you can't even compare Gai to Kimimaro IMHO.  Plus, Kimi has curse level two and he almost owned Gaara with Shuukaku, WHILE HE WAS DYING.  Kimimaro would PWN Kakashi.  Orochimaru wanted Kimimaro more than he wanted Sasuke.  If Kimimaro didn't have that disease Oro thought he was perfect.  Oro thinks NOTHING of Kakashi.  Kimimaro all the way.


How about Gaara (minus Shuukaku) vs. Lee? :blink

[glasskatana]

I agree, think about it, Kimimaro could most likely move MUCH faster without his disease. Also what the hell are you gonna do against a surprise finger bullet technique if you don't have an ultimate defense. Especially if you're in the middle of a jutsu. You would be bleeding on the floor. The only thing that Kakashi would have on him would probably be the chidori. I have no idea if it would bust a hole in Kimimaro or not. If Kimimaro didn't outright win, I think he would beat him. Though he may end up using a great deal of chakra, I stand by the idea that he would be victorious with few wounds in the end. (by the way this is coming from a person who's favorite character was at one time Kakashi.)

[Rampages]

LOL yeah...

I bet you would kill to see sasuke cry again :p

[Kusachu]

yeah plus kakashi needs to use sharingan and that depletes his chakra conciderably. Yeah, curse level 2 hurts Kimi, but he may not even get to the point where he needs to use it. Kakashi's ability to mimic Kimimaro's moves ammounts to nothing because he doesn't have bone armor and cant copy it. Kakashi no doubt has good techniques, but the fact is Kimimaro has trained with Oro, a master of genjutsu and ninjutsu. Kakashi would put up a hell of a fight, but he just couldn't compare without his MS. WITH MS he would probably win though, even against a healthy Kimimaro.

[white silver]

[font=tahoma][color=green]I would have to disagree with you guys on this.  Kakashi and Gai would win against Kimimaro, first off, fighting experience!  Kimimaro is fast/strong his bones are as hard as metal, even a guy like Lee could give so much trouble to Kimimaro.  And then you think of Gai, he's 10x faster and stronger than Lee, he CAN do ninjutsu and genjutsu (well we haven't seen him do it yet but as a Jounin he must have an ability of that sort).  Kimimaro would have to go full out on Gai, maybe Gai would have to open "a few gates" in that case.

As for Kakashi, he is a very experienced elite Jounin and has probably fought all types of guys, if Kimimaro's bones were as strong as heck, then Chidori is the only way, his bullet bone techniques could easily be anticipated by his Sharingan.  Although I have to admit I wouldn't be too sure if Kimimaro was in "perfect" health along with CS2!

[Kusachu]

LOL yeah...

I bet you would kill to see sasuke cry again :p


mwahahahahaha!  He's pertty when he cries...:pleased

[Kusachu]

[font=tahoma][color=green]I would have to disagree with you guys on this.  Kakashi and Gai would win against Kimimaro, first off, fighting experience!  Kimmimaro is fast/strong his bones are as hard as metal, even a guy like Lee could give so much trouble to Kimmimaro.  And then you think of Gai, he's 10x faster and stronger than Lee, he CAN do ninjutsu and genjutsu (well we haven't seen him do it yet but as a Jounin he must have an ability of that sort).  Kimmimaro would have to go full out on Gai, maybe Gai would have to open "a few gates" in that case.

As for Kakashi, he is a very experienced elite Jounin and has probably fought all types of guys, if Kimimaro's bones were as strong as heck, then Chidori is the only way, his bullet bone techniques could easily be anticipated by his Sharingan.  Although I have to admit I wouldn't be too sure if Kimimaro was in "perfect" health along with CS2!


Well, the original was Healthy Kimi vs. pre MS Kakashi. Your argument is valid though. I see your points. But Gai cannot use genjutsu because Lee is just like Gai. They are both all taijutsu. That being the case i think Kimi would Gai big trouble...not so much if he was sick though. Hmm...but if you do take into account that he can open the gates...Hmmm, well, I'm not sure!! O.O Gai is pretty awesome...but he doesn't have drunken fist though, which is why Lee did so well...wow! this is a good topic!! XD

[white silver]

Well, the original was Healthy Kimi vs. pre MS Kakashi.  Your argument is valid though.  I see your points. But Gai cannot use genjutsu because Lee is just like Gai.  They are both all taijutsu.  That being the case i think Kimi would Gai big trouble...not so much if he was sick though.  Hmm...but if you do take into account that he can open the gates...Hmmm, well, I'm not sure!!  O.O  Gai is pretty awesome...but he doesn't have drunken fist though, which is why Lee did so well...wow!  this is a good topic!!  XD


[font=tahoma][color=green]Aren't you glad I requested this *topic*?

[glasskatana]

I just skimmed the chapters with Kimimaro again and I only counted Kimimaro showing us 4 of the 5 dances. I wonder if his dances would be more powerful without his sickness too. One of my greatest wishes is to see a lost member of the Kaguya clan come out of hiding, or perhaps have someone who's genes have been spliced with the Kaguya. (if they could do it with Shodaime they should be able to do it with one of the Kaguya.)

[Reui]

nope nope nope.  Kimimaro isn't just using taijutsu.  he's using a bloodline skill...you can't even compare Gai to Kimimaro IMHO.  Plus, Kimi has curse level two and he almost owned Gaara with Shuukaku, WHILE HE WAS DYING.  Kimimaro would PWN Kakashi.  Orochimaru wanted Kimimaro more than he wanted Sasuke.  If Kimimaro didn't have that disease Oro thought he was perfect.  Oro thinks NOTHING of Kakashi.  Kimimaro all the way.


How about Gaara (minus Shuukaku) vs. Lee?  :blink


I think you misunderstood what i was saying. I meant a Ninja who needs to physically attack his opponent, IE Gai, Naruto, Lee, etc wouldnt stand a chance in a fight vs him. However Ninja's who can fight with Jutsu and Strategy can fight farely well vs him. IE ninja's Like Shikimaru and Gaara stand a fighting chance vs his Anti Tai-Jutsu Blood Line Limit. I also dont think were giving Kakashi any credit here. We dont know that Kimi would have been lightning fast uber insane Fully healthy. We do know that at curse seal 1 and sick he was pretty even against a Gennin that Naruto was able to beat.

[white silver]

I just skimmed the chapters with Kimimaro again and I only counted Kimimaro showing us 4 of the 5 dances. I wonder if his dances would be more powerful without his sickness too. One of my greatest wishes is to see a lost member of the Kaguya clan come out of hiding, or perhaps have someone who's genes have been spliced with the Kaguya. (if they could do it with Shodaime they should be able to do it with one of the Kaguya.)


[font=tahoma][color=green]Which leads us to one question, was his sickness due to "Orochimaru's experimenting"?  I don't see why a strong guy like him would get sickness for some reason (knowing that Orochimaru as the cold-hearted bastard that he is, probably did the some "gene splicing" which in turn caused side-effects to Kimimaro), that's just a a theory of course, reasearch for Kimimaro's bloodline can have some benefits!  (An army of Kaguya fighters could be quite scary)!


(300 posts eh, 200 more to become A HERO MEMBER)

[glasskatana]

Okie Dokie. First of all, During that fight with Kimimaro, Gaara was easily at chuunin level. Also I agree that against Taijutsu, Kimimaro would win basically every time. Now while Kakashi does have long range jutsu, he doesn't seem to have much. In the end Kakashi is also mainly a close-quarters combat kinda guy. For the moment, the only major long range jutsu we have seen is his MS, and in this argument we are talking about Kakashi without MS. I think that Kimimaro had to tap into lv l 1 to fight with Gaara because of his sickness. I mean to use any bone technique at all (almost) he was tapping into his curse seal.

I think you misunderstood what i was saying. I meant a Ninja who needs to physically attack his opponent, IE Gai, Naruto, Lee, etc wouldnt stand a chance in a fight vs him. However Ninja's who can fight with Jutsu and Strategy can fight farely well vs him. IE ninja's Like Shikimaru and Gaara stand a fighting chance vs his Anti Tai-Jutsu Blood Line Limit. I also dont think were giving Kakashi any credit here. We dont know that Kimi would have been lightning fast uber insane Fully healthy. We do know that at curse seal 1 and sick he was pretty even against a Gennin that Naruto was able to beat.




[font=tahoma][color=green]Which leads us to one question, was his sickness due to "Orochimaru's experimenting"? I don't see why a strong guy like him would get sickness for some reason (knowing that Orochimaru as the cold-hearted bastard that he is, probably did the some "gene splicing" which in turn caused side-effects to Kimimaro), that's just a a theory of course, reasearch for Kimimaro's bloodline can have some benefits! (An army of Kaguya fighters could be quite scary)!


(300 posts eh, 200 more to become A HERO MEMBER)

Please, Please, Please let someone else be an inheriter of the Kaguya clan. I don't care how.

[CheckMate]

kakashi pre-MS vs Kimimaro..

I vote for kakashi. kakashi would maintain the distance, and the sharingan makes the flying bone useless.

furthermore, the chidori! as far as i concern, chidori is a thrust that cut EVERYTHING on the way.

then brain and experience, if kakashi coulndt win, he wont lose either. he maybe.. hmm.. run.

as for kimimaro, lvl.2 CS puts the stress too much.
(but didnt kimimaro born with this disease that makes his BL that great? without this disease he might be a regular kaguya shinobi)

[glasskatana]

O.K. but for all intents and purposes let's assume that Kakasihi could not run away from this battle. Then what.

[The Boff]

I think Kakashi would win against Kimimaro. He is reputed to have copied more than 1000 jutsus.
clearly thats to much but lets say he haves about 200. I do believe he has a lot of hidden stuff to whip
out if necessary. plus his taijitsu skills are apperantly almost as good as Gais. He is about as smart as Shikamaru.
it just feels like Kimimaro is the underdog in that fight. and we dont know how skilled kimimaro is with
withstanding genjutsus. while the sharingan gives you the ability to hypnotize your opponent.
my vote goes to Kakashi

[ShgnLW]

First: Gai and Kakashi are about the same level. Furthermore, when Lee was attacked by Gaara @ the Chuunin exam Gai immediately jumped in and deflected Gaara's attack with ease... Furthermore, Kakashi uses a lot of Bunshin jutsu's, which confuses Kinimaro.

And damn who said that Gai couldn't use Nin- or taijutsu? Those are just speculations, furthermore, Morning Peacoc (or something, which he used against Kisame of Akatsuki) has some ninjutsu in it. I mean, even if a human can move quick his body won't be able to instantly becomes fire, there HAS to be some kind of ninjutsu behind it. Note that these are only speculations.

And yes, Kakashi can hypnotise his foe with the sharingan just like boffenjl says. That is his greatest trump card (pre kakashi).

[Rampages]

First: Gai and Kakashi are about the same level. Furthermore, when Lee was attacked by Gaara @ the Chuunin exam Gai immediately jumped in and deflected Gaara's attack with ease... Furthermore, Kakashi uses a lot of Bunshin jutsu's, which confuses Kinimaro.

And damn who said that Gai couldn't use Nin- or taijutsu? Those are just speculations, furthermore, Morning Peacoc (or something, which he used against Kisame of Akatsuki) has some ninjutsu in it. I mean, even if a human can move quick his body won't be able to instantly becomes fire, there HAS to be some kind of ninjutsu behind it. Note that these are only speculations.

And yes, Kakashi can hypnotise his foe with the sharingan just like boffenjl says. That is his greatest trump card (pre kakashi).


Kakashi might be stronger than Gai, atm. Gai does have ninjutsu (kuchiyose). I understand that you were just speculating but the technique gai used didn't involve ninjutsu. It's like konoha whirlwind or any other tai moves.

About kimimaro vs. kakashi, I am confident boffen is right, because after all kimimaro did kill the kazekage when he was sick and all...

[white silver]

About kimimaro vs. kakashi, I am confident boffen is right, because after all kimimaro did kill the kazekage when he was sick and all...


[font=tahoma][color=green]Really, I thought that was Orochimaru!

[Rampages]

Probably just gave the finishing blow. Kimimaro looked exhausted as if he was the one who fought the Kazekage.

[The Boff]

but that was filler wasnt it? the entire backstory given to kimimaro wasnt in the manga if i can remember correctly.
so i dont think he was even there when oro attacked kaze. i mean one of the biggest reasons for attacking konoha was that oro wanted sasuke, right? because the container he was going to take (kimi) was getting sicker and sicker.
so as far as i can tell, when kimi got very sick. oro had to get a new body. he chose sasuke.
he then decided to take sasuke during the chuunnin exam whilst also attacking konoha. but i can be wrong.

[Rampages]

Oh sorry then, I watched the chuunin exam in anime.

[billion bruce lees]

the anime was elaborate where the manga was vague, they don't contradict each other

[glasskatana]

All right, even though this whole anime thing is actually siding with my point, I NEVER trust the anime. So in this discussion please try to keep to the manga only.

[Kusachu]

i still think kimi would win against kakashi. my main reason is that Kakashi, no matter HOW much experince and how many jutsu he knows, he just doesn't show it in the manga that he could win against a healthy Kimimaro. For that matter, i don't think Kakashi could have beaten Gaara (with Shuukaku)at that piont either. I just can't see it. Maybe i am just a little biased against Kakashi because i expect waaay more from him than they have shown (at least, pre time skip).

[white silver]

i still think kimi would win against kakashi.  my main reason is that Kakashi, no matter HOW much experince and how many jutsu he knows, he just doesn't show it in the manga that he could win against a healthy Kimimaro.  For that matter, i don't think Kakashi could have beaten Gaara (with Shuukaku)at that piont either.  I just can't see it.  Maybe i am just a little biased against Kakashi because i expect waaay more from him than they have shown (at least, pre time skip).


[color=green][font=tahoma]If the sound four had to resort to using CS2 when fighitng the Jounins (I forgot their names) and Kakashi is way beyond their level (the jounins), then I don't see why he can't take on Kimmimaro!

[billion bruce lees]

kimimaro beat the sound 4 in a matter of seconds, just a thaught.

[Kusachu]

[color=green][font=tahoma]If the sound four had to resort to using CS2 when fighitng the Jounins (I forgot their names) and Kakashi is way beyond their level (the jounins), then I don't see why he can't take on Kimmimaro!


Who said Kakashi was way beyond their level though? Yeah, Kakashi is "elete", but then, so is Ebisu. And if Kakashi was supposed to be as strong as Kabuto was at that time, then, could Kabuto kick Kimimaro's ass too? If so, then why (other than wanting Kabuto around to wipe his ass for him) wouldn't Oro want Kabuto's body? IDK...I just can't see it.

[white silver]

[b][color=green][font=tahoma]Kabuto is supposed to be at the same "skill" level as Kakashi. Maybe that is when it comes to doing techniques their skills are equal, though I seriously doubt Kabuto would win against Kakashi 1 on 1. I mean, skill does not mean he is necessarily stronger/faster/smarter than Kakashi. For one thing, Kabuto fears Kakashi might copy his medical skills and use it against him!

[Rampages]

Kimimaro would still kill 2 jounins in the blink of an eye. That's more than we can say for Kakashi, who was only a little stronger than Zabuza.

[abdulahi]

Kimimaro would still kill 2 jounins in the blink of an eye. WHO SAID THAT. REMEMBER he lost to only a genin. so why wouldnt kakashi be able to beat him?
personally my vote goes to kakashi

[Kusachu]

[b][color=green][font=tahoma]Kabuto is supposed to be at the same "skill" level as Kakashi.  Maybe that is when it comes to doing techniques their skills are equal, though I seriously doubt Kabuto would win against Kakashi 1 on 1.  I mean, skill does not mean he is necessarily stronger/faster/smarter than Kakashi.  For one thing, Kabuto fears Kakashi might copy his medical skills and use it against him!


Yeah, but those types of techniques, i assume, are largely based on charka control, and i don't think sharinagan can copy techniques like that.  plus, even if he could copy them,, he may not have the level of control (and even the level of chakra) required to perform them.  Like how he can't just copy a rasengan or Sakura's 'chakra punch'.  My bet guess as far as that is concerned is that jutsu that have seals or some visual element can be copied.  He may be able, i think, to learn the (medical etc.) skills from seeing how the chakra moves in the body, but still, i would think that his body would have to have the capacity to perfom them for him to be able to use them.[br]Posted at: April 28, 2006, 11:59:50 AM_________________________________________________

WHO SAID THAT. REMEMBER he lost to only a genin. so why wouldnt kakashi be able to beat him?
personally my vote goes to kakashi


dude, he lost to GAARA! Gaara can IN NO WAY even be CONCIDERED at genin level! No. Gaara was even breaking a bit of a sweat there at the end.

Plus, this was based on a healthy Kimimaro, not one who has risen from his death bed to battle.

[billion bruce lees]

Kimimaro would still kill 2 jounins in the blink of an eye. That's more than we can say for Kakashi, who was only a little stronger than Zabuza.
i agree, people forget that his clan, all 15-20 odd of them stormed the mist village and lay waste to all in thier path.

and of the kaguya to survive kimimaro was it, his own insane clan was afraid of his ability

lee and gaara would have been completely beaten, gaara said it himself, if kimimaro didn't get sick and die.

as kabuto said, there's no one who could beat kimimaro

[The Boff]

as kabuto said, there's no one who could beat kimimaro


no way dude.... there are a lot of people i imagine that can kill him even if he wasnt sick.
Itachi for starters. MS to death.
Im quite sure Oro could do it to. that guy always have something up his sleeve.
Yondaime hokage. we havent seen that much of him but DAMN the things we have seen
makes me believe that he could take him out.
who else..... Gai probably, open up a couple of gates and kick his ass a long way.
thats my take on it... there are probably more of them.

[abdulahi]

dude, he lost to GAARA!  Gaara can IN NO WAY  even be CONCIDERED at genin level!  No.  Gaara was even breaking a bit of a sweat there at the end. 
Plus, this was based on a healthy Kimimaro, not one who has risen from his death bed to battle.
true gaara aint at genin level. but lets look at it this way, kim lost to gaara, gaara lost to naruto, naruto lost to sasuke, and i for one believe kakashi being far more stronger then both naruto and sasuke.

personally i believe everyone has their natural enemy, by this i mean, an enemy you are weak against. e.g. Tayuya was completely weak against temari. my point is that kim even if he has the strongest body, he maybe weak against Genjutsu, i.e. Sharingan.
so whos to say kim would win against kakashi.
like i said before im still on kakashis side even if kim is at full strength

[billion bruce lees]

no way dude.... there are a lot of people i imagine that can kill him even if he wasnt sick.
Itachi for starters. MS to death.
Im quite sure Oro could do it to. that guy always have something up his sleeve.
Yondaime hokage. we havent seen that much of him but DAMN the things we have seen
makes me believe that he could take him out.
who else..... Gai probably, open up a couple of gates and kick his ass a long way.
thats my take on it... there are probably more of them.
ok concessions then,

yondaime, definately

kakashi, love im but no

jiraaya, no doubt

oro, yeah, i admit it

tsunade, no

gai, don't know

itachi, no contest at all, kimimaro would be so dead

[glasskatana]

ok concessions then,

yondaime, definately

kakashi, love im but no

jiraaya, no doubt

oro, yeah, i admit it

tsunade, no

gai, don't know

itachi, no contest at all, kimimaro would be so dead

I agree except for the Tsunade part. I think that any of the three Sannin could take Kimimaro. She has a great knowledge of how the body works which would probably help her in a fight against someone with a bloodline like Kimimaro's. Plus she does have that Monstrous strength.

[white silver]

Yeah, but those types of techniques, i assume, are largely based on charka control, and i don't think sharinagan can copy techniques like that.  plus, even if he could copy them,, he may not have the level of control (and even the level of chakra) required to perform them.  Like how he can't just copy a rasengan or Sakura's 'chakra punch'.  My bet guess as far as that is concerned is that jutsu that have seals or some visual element can be copied.  He may be able, i think, to learn the (medical etc.) skills from seeing how the chakra moves in the body, but still, i would think that his body would have to have the capacity to perfom them for him to be able to use them.[br]Posted at: April 28, 2006, 11:59:50 AM_________________________________________________



[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Nah, if that was the case, then Kabuto would've fought him head on, knowing that Kakashi may not have the chakra control, he couldn't use it battle, and if he really WAS an equal to Kakashi then the chances of winning would be 50/50, but again as Kabuto mentioned, medical jutsus he performed could be instantly copied by the Sharingan, as for chakra control.

"If you can master the tree exercise, TECHNICALLY you can master ANY TYPE OF JUTSU!" --- Kakashi

[glasskatana]

Ahh, but what if Kabuto knew he did have the right chakra control. and even if kakashi didn't at the time, it doesn't mean he couldn't develop the control, or teach the techniques to someone else, or how about fiigure out a way to counter them. Kakashi would be clever enough to do that, and Kabuto was clever enough not to show him. But I'm basically running on speculation. I agree with Kusachu for the most part. I also believe that sharingan is not capable of copying kinjutsu. It may make it much easier to learn, but I don't think it can copy them. My case and point is why the hell hasn't Sasuke copied the kage bunshin.

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[white silver]

Ahh, but what if Kabuto knew he did have the right chakra control. and even if kakashi didn't at the time, it doesn't mean he couldn't develop the control, or teach the techniques to someone else, or how about fiigure out a way to counter them. Kakashi would be clever enough to do that, and Kabuto was clever enough not to show him. But I'm basically running on speculation. I agree with Kusachu for the most part. I also believe that sharingan is not capable of copying kinjutsu. It may make it much easier to learn, but I don't think it can copy them. My case and point is why the hell hasn't Sasuke copied the kage bunshin.

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[Kusachu]

Ahh, but what if Kabuto knew he did have the right chakra control. and even if kakashi didn't at the time, it doesn't mean he couldn't develop the control, or teach the techniques to someone else, or how about fiigure out a way to counter them. Kakashi would be clever enough to do that, and Kabuto was clever enough not to show him. But I'm basically running on speculation. I agree with Kusachu for the most part. I also believe that sharingan is not capable of copying kinjutsu. It may make it much easier to learn, but I don't think it can copy them. My case and point is why the hell hasn't Sasuke copied the kage bunshin.

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Right!?! WTH!?! He should be able to do Kage Bunshin. That's all there is to it. He would sooo own then.

[white silver]

Right!?!  WTH!?!  He should be able to do Kage Bunshin.  That's all there is to it.  He would sooo own then. 


[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Indeed, why wouldn't he use a Kage Bunshin, it is after all a Jounin's technique! And knowing Sasuke's genius fighting style, he should be able to manipulate Kage Bunshins in unique ways (such as what Itachi did with his Bunshin).

[glasskatana]

I said it in the discussion and I'll say it here. In the next few chapters the 'fight' that I want to see is one where Naruto gives Sasuke an itty bitty http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1000/omake7rd.png Or if Naruto can't handle it, Sakura would be second-best.

[Kusachu]

okay, new battle time: Current Gaara vs. Lee OR Lee vs. Sakura

I have no opinion on it as of yet...but i do think Sakura hits harder than Lee now, and she can dodge pretty well...

[white silver]

[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Ever thought of Sakura fighting with Sasuke? I mean, Sakura already lost all respect for that guy and she comes and *b*tchslap* him in the face (whereas Sasuke would be surprised). Kinda like how Tsuande dealt with Orochimaru!

[Kusachu]

[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Ever thought of Sakura fighting with Sasuke?  I mean, Sakura already lost all respect for that guy and she comes and *b*tchslap* him in the face (whereas Sasuke would be surprised).  Kinda like how Tsuande dealt with Orochimaru!


Yeah i have been posting about that in the discussions and predictions for a while now XD I really wish she would fight with him, and i think she would win. XD

[Rampages]

Sasuke doesn't hit girls.

...

Shut up, Temari doesn't count. Neither does Haku.

[Kusachu]

Sasuke doesn't hit girls.

...

Shut up, Temari doesn't count. Neither does Haku.


Oh i think he would hit Sakura. *nod* Especially after she decks him so hard he goes flying right through the stone wall. He'll probably laugh and be like, "B*tch! You just wait until i kill my best friend! I'm going to Tsukyomi the sh*t out of you!" Or he could say something like "Ah, you've gotten stronger...but you lack hatred. Ku ku ku ku ku." hee hee hee!

[Rampages]

Hit her or hit on her ? :p

Nah, but he still has feelings for her, I'm sure he wouldn't hurt her unless its to protect her.

[billion bruce lees]

he'll show off for sure, how much stronger he's gotten, but sakura will probably wait for the element of suprize like she did with sandaime kazekage puppet ver.1.0

[Predator]

:offtopic

Guys, try to stick to the main idea more. I'm sure that SasuSaku discussions aren't fit for Battledome.

[white silver]

[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Baki vs Kakashi, do you think Kakashi can win?

[The Boff]

weeeell we have only seen one jutsu from Baki so im definetly voting for kakashi in that fight..
do you mean before or after timeskip kakashi?

[LightReaper]

Everyone always discusses the stronger characters, how about Hinata vs Tenten? We've seen that neji pretty much has no trouble stopping all the weapons TenTen uses, but what about a fight to the death between hinata and tenten? Hinata has a nice defense as well but might have trouble getting up close. Let's say pre-timeskip because we don't know much about the two post timeskip.

[billion bruce lees]

tenten throws bombs( team gai/ kisame fight). hinata sucks at her bloodline limit.

i dunno 10/10 wins

[Kusachu]

:offtopic

Guys, try to stick to the main idea more. I'm sure that SasuSaku discussions aren't fit for Battledome.


*mean mug*

You trying to say that their fight is invalid?? HOW LAME! I think it would be an awesome fight. I wasn't talking about them cuddling and making out, I was talking about them trying to kill each other. That qualifies as a battle right?

[Cbot]

I love give anything to see a hardcore battle of Jiraiya vs Orochimaru.Who do you think would win?

[white silver]

I love give anything to see a hardcore battle of Jiraiya vs Orochimaru.Who do you think would win?


[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Could be either way, I guess!

[Kusachu]

I love give anything to see a hardcore battle of Jiraiya vs Orochimaru.Who do you think would win?


as much as i love ero sennin, i think orochimaru would win that one.

[glasskatana]

Depends completely on who's body oro is using.

[Kusachu]

Depends completely on who's body oro is using.


That's a really good point. if is his current lame body, i think Jiraiya would win...maybe...

[glasskatana]

I think that if Oro was still using his original, 52 in a half year old body, Jiraiya would win. Every time. Now if Oro were to get a body that could take the full extent of his powers, it would be a close battle. It would really be up to luck. Though I think Oro would probably hold the advantage, (goddamn young bodies for Oro to be inside of ... :blink) If Oro gets a body with a bloodline or some kind of special ability, he would win.

[white silver]

[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Here it comes. Sai vs Sasuke! Yeah! I don't think Sasuke would leave so easy without a fight. Strongest Generation vs. Uchiha Genius, who would be victorious?

[billion bruce lees]

i'm thinkin' sai, cuz all those guys he's killed!? they look kinda tough

[Kusachu]

yeah...um...Sai is a shinobi assassin...Sasuke is an angry emo in pajamas...

No. I must stop...no time for such things...XP

[glasskatana]

yeah...um...Sai is a shinobi assassin...Sasuke is an angry emo in pajamas...

No. I must stop...no time for such things...XP

:grin
lololololol... O.K I am now literally rofling. Um yeah, if he is in Pajamas Sai might get distracted by his Penis (or lack of one)! But seriously, Sasuke better not kick too much ass or I'll be pissed. It would only further the idea that it was good for Sasuke to go to Oro and be his sex slave... I mean his heir and future container. ::ahem::

[billion bruce lees]

:grin
lololololol... O.K I am now literally rofling. Um yeah, if he is in Pajamas Sai might get distracted by his Penis (or lack of one)! But seriously, Sasuke better not kick too much ass or I'll be pissed. It would only further the idea that it was good for Sasuke to go to Oro and be his sex slave... I mean his heir and future container. ::ahem::
au contraire, it's exactly what you don't want..noooooooo.lol

[Kusachu]

i want it. *nod* lolololol

[billion bruce lees]

sai-oro-sasu...anticipation hurts.

[white silver]

[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Neji vs. Sai?

[KTFS]

I'd like to see that but neji would :modsmack and then :spank. No waite sai might like that. But I don't see neji loosing to him. Sai can draw all he wants he wouldn't get near neji with them and if neji gets 64 points off on him it's over for sai. He's no naruto with a buji for back up.

[Kusachu]

I'm putting the rent money on Neji for that fight.  unless Sai is one of those folks who you train to kill your allies "Just in case".  If that was the case then he'd have been trained on exactly how to kill a hyuuga...as he probably was trained in how to kill an Uchiha...hmmm....

[billion bruce lees]

damn it stop making sense :tem

[white silver]

[b][font=tahoma][color=green]It would seem "improved" Neji would be a difficult match for Sai, I'd bet the current Neji is stronger than the pre-time skip Kakashi!

[billion bruce lees]

[b][font=tahoma][color=green]It would seem "improved" Neji would be a difficult match for Sai, I'd bet the current Neji is stronger than the pre-time skip Kakashi!
i agree, you see that hakushou chakra blast, damn my jaw was like talking to me..did he just?? naww,,yeah that was omfg

bomb neiji

[Kusachu]

i love neji so much. I want him more involved in the story. And yeah, his skill is definitly worthy of a holy shit or two IMHO. XD

[Galth]

Dunno, the character Neji has been "used" fully already, i don't think we'll see him in the manga anytime soon, but from what i've seen so far, i believe Neji would be able to take out Sai with a little luck, tough match-up

[Arsonist]

although, we haven't seen that much from Sai yet, so I'm not sure about that.

[billion bruce lees]

i think sai's just sneaky catching them while they're sleeping on the whole i'm a ninja who could die any minute thing

[white silver]

i think sai's just sneaky catching them while they're sleeping on the whole i'm a ninja who could die any minute thing


[b][font=tahoma][color=green]Then I don't think Danzou would have labeled him the "strongest" but rather the "sneakiest".

[Kusachu]

Sai IS one sneaky mofo...i guess we only got a couple of days till we come an inch closer to fining out if he is gonna die or not...XD I think that no matter what Sai is going to be in some neck high shit if he manages to get out of Oro's hideout alive. He has betrayed everyone and everything...a couple of times over! lololol I just hope we get to see how versitile a fighter he is. His jutsu has a lot of potential, but we havent seen much from it as far as fighting goes.

i still think Neji could pwn him though. XD

[abdulahi]

i still think Neji could pwn him though.  XD
i must say i think that to.

something tells me sai will die soon. god knows i wish it, possibly at the hands of sasuke, that would be great

[glasskatana]

Oh god, but if that happens and the Naruto crew blames Sai cause they think he was trying to kill Sasuke, when really he was trying to save him, I will flip out. What about...
Sasuke vs. Neji, well I guess we can't figure that out until we see the new Sasuke, but still.

[Kusachu]

oooo...i think that unless Sasuke could use hella genjutsu on him, it is as Kakashi said "At his current level, our Sasuke is no match for a Neji" or some shit like that....but that don't seem so true nowadays does it?? lololol...hmmm...