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Predator
June 01, 2006, 08:33 AM
Now, who would have expected that Sasuke can surpress the Kyuubi. And on top of that, Kyuubi threating Sasuke to make him regret, if he kills Naruto. Then, when we get back to outer world, we finally see that Yamato's not weak at all.

BTW, was anyone surprised, when Sasuke escaped along with Orochimaru and Kabuto?

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Ok, that's a bunch of things to discuss in Chapter 309 Discussion thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4180.0).

What's important here is, what will happen next? Return to Konohoa? Another chase? ... Just speaking and flashbacks?

Let's hear your ideas?

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[i] But, if someone hasn't read the new chapter, you can get it HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4421.0).

destinator
June 01, 2006, 08:38 AM
I would tend to talk about the whole thing and a new arc afterwards, maybe a new akatsuki story :D?

UzumakiRoman
June 01, 2006, 08:46 AM
i think definitely reyturn to Konoha because.. er.. everyone escaped!!
head back and report in!!

Old Lady Tsunade is gonna be pissed!!!!

Ero-sennin saves Naruto from Tsunade with Orgasm Jutsu!!!

razor
June 01, 2006, 08:53 AM
they head back to konoha.but meanwhile at akatsuki place.the leader show himself!!....well....that only a prediction...

Lux Delux
June 01, 2006, 08:56 AM
Head back to Konoha and maybe a new story arc with the chuunin exam?

Gold Knight
June 01, 2006, 09:19 AM
It seems that most people are inclined towards a return to Akatsuki story elements, but I'd wager there'd be a sidestory involving the Root organization back at Konohagakure. Also, Naruto and Sakura will have to come to grips with that they pretty much sucked on that mission =/

sejma
June 01, 2006, 09:22 AM
Training arc. By which I mean Kakashi reclaims his team, and does some refresher training with them so as to familiarise Naruto and Sakura (and himself) with each other's new abilities, along with integrating Sai. Not another 'seek out villain X' like the last two arcs. Discussion between Kakashi, Yamato, Tsunade, and perhaps Jiraiya (and maybe Danzou and the elders) about the team, Naruto, Kyuubi. Training will be interrupted first by other Konoha ninja being friendly and probably by Akatsuki later. May involve heading to Suna or another villiage.

I really don't want to see a chuunin exam. The only reason why it was mentioned that Naruto hadn't become a chuunin was for comedy and to say "hey, everybody else progressed as well"; we need better development of Naruto especially as a professional and a chuunin exam won't do that as much as instruction from a teacher will. Naruto has pretty much only trained solo for the most part; he needs to be trained better to work in a team (I'm hoping that Naruto will be the one to request this, and that he doesn't just say "I wanna go back after Sasuke!" or "I wanna go after Akatsuki!"). Once that happens, the character development that people have been complaining has been missing will show up big time, hopefully in Saukra as well.

nohm
June 01, 2006, 09:23 AM
Head back to Konoha and maybe a new story arc with the chuunin exam?


that would be a logical solution. after all that sasuke fiasco, naruto will probably need to go in for some training and will have to pass the chuunin exam or else his "i wanna be hokage" arc will never get anywhere and it'll end up being pointless. but seriously, I hope him passing the exam will be a quick fix in one chapter. does anyone remember how ridiculously long the last exam art was... :noworry

I'm also guessing that sooner or later we'll find out who Uchiha Madara is before the end of this story arc. I have a feeling that people will already jump to conclusions about this other uchiha being the akatsuki leader...the same people who think the leader is yondaime. bah, assume all you want but we'll see sooner or later.

sh0jin
June 01, 2006, 09:24 AM
In the last scene of 309 naruto seemed like he has realized that sasuke is a lost cause. He might come to the conclusion that by running after him and pleaing with him wont get him anywhere but maybe he needs to go to the source of sasuke's goal, he needs to find itachi and kill him before oro takes over sasuke's body. There is still half a year left to do so maybe the next arc is based around Naruto moving up the ranks in konoha, (passing the chuunin exams and more) aswell as finding akatsuki through some detective work.

I dont understand this thought but if sasuke let oro take over his body, doesnt sasuke lose himself and oro becomes the new sasuke. I mean the body is the container but what about the mind doesnt that get removed in the process? if thats the case then what good is it if oro beat itachi or even loses to itachi, sasuke is gone, he is as good as dead, right? Sounds pathetic of sasuke to think so and some what desperate.

CheckMate
June 01, 2006, 09:27 AM
why would they come back?

they could wait for kakashi-san, set up new plan, and continue pursuing sasuke.
remember kakashi has pakkun? they can track sasuke down again.

and i dont think naruto and sakura would come home now.. as losers
they have made those promises, havent they?

nohm
June 01, 2006, 09:31 AM
I dont understand this thought but if sasuke let oro take over his body, doesnt sasuke lose himself and oro becomes the new sasuke. I mean the body is the container but what about the mind doesnt that get removed in the process? if thats the case then what good is it if oro beat itachi or even loses to itachi, sasuke is gone, he is as good as dead, right? Sounds pathetic of sasuke to think so and some what desperate.



well, don't you remember when oro chose his latest transfer body, he told the guy/victim that his consciousness will remain? the same with sasuke, if he were to be taken over by oro, i'm pretty sure his intent of revenge will still be present, so what sasuke said was true although seemingly desperate.

what i wonder though is...what happens to the host bodies that oro transfers out from? are they just empty shells, or does he just use the body to jump inside the new one? i wonder if they can still live on afterwards...i'm doubting that though. what do you guys think?

C4animax
June 01, 2006, 09:35 AM
I would expect a chuunin exam after this...but i would love to see a tailed beast involved in the next arc , the two tailed or whoever is the next one...that would also be a good time to reveal 2 other akatsuki member (the one that had a hard time to find his biju)...

But for the chapter 10, i see team yamato chatting a few pages, then go back to konoha facing tsunade and maybe jiraya there...I was thinking naruto getting back to training, maybe come back on the genjutsu training (with kakashi maybe?). Things must also be solved with the root...maybe sai is definitly the last member of team 7.

Ps : They lost this one again i'm affraid.

Yamato rocks.

One Bad Mo Fo
June 01, 2006, 09:36 AM
Training? Naruto just spent 2 1/2 years doing nothig but training. I have no idea what's going to happen. My only hope is that after all that talk, after all that beating around the bush team7 wont just quit and go home with their tails tucked between their legs. Naruto made that bushin and Yamoto tracked Sai w/o Orochi knowing about it. The game could still be on but I'm not feeling very optamistic right now.

C4animax
June 01, 2006, 09:38 AM
Well it's not like they run away, they diseapeared now so it will be quite hard to follow them don't you think?

sejma
June 01, 2006, 09:45 AM
Training? Naruto just spent 2 1/2 years doing nothig but training.


As I said above, Naruto's training thus far has all been solo training. He need to learn to work in a team. And now that he's resolved to not use Kyuubi he needs to learn to think more clearheadedly instead of bursting in, exhausting himself, and getting a second wind by growing tails.

The thing about training, as well, is that it can take the form of a mission. It won't be a "get Akatsuki" mission or "get Sasuke or Orochi" mission if it is, but that's fine. The story doesn't need another "chase a big bad guy" part right now, but character development.

As for chasing Sasuke some more, they poofed out. By official manga rules, when someone poofs out, their trail is lost; they are gone. If they zip out, they're trackable, but poofing means "ooh I'm so far away now, because I'm making a dramatic exit." So they definitely will not be chasing no more.

binkansarariman
June 01, 2006, 10:00 AM
like Shojin suggest, the best strategy so far would be killing itachi so that sasuke would lose all the reason to give oro a chance.. so surely the following arcs mainly on hunting down the akatsuki.. perhaps we'd know more about uchiha madara?.. i think he's the akatsuki leader

my prediction: the next chapters would be they returning to kanoha.. sai would face huge problems with his NE team.. and Naruto & Sai would help him.. perhaps there would be fights between Team 7 and the NE and many of Naruto's gang would come up and join in the fights..if not, Danzou would laid out his espionage works on akatsuki and new assignments would be set for Team 7..

i wish to see what will happen to Yamato and Sai.. is Team 7 would be maintained only with kakashi, naruto & sakura?.. or the Team 7 would be 5 men team?.. too many possibilities!!!

Raine_Joybringer
June 01, 2006, 10:26 AM
I'll post a bit of what I posted in the ch 309 discussion thread-

I'm actually kind of glad that the meeting didn't turn into a huge fight scene of disasterous proportions. It's a huge part of character development though.

Naruto and Kyuubi's relationship will strengthen most likely, towards the way that the 4th always intended it to go. Naruto will have to "grow up", like Sasuke said. Or else he'll never be able to defeat Sasuke, both physically and mentally.

Sakura will realise that she needs to become even stronger, not just become a clone of Tsunade, but her own individual so that in future the things she'll be able to do for people won't be so "little".

We've come to like Sai a bit more after being recruited to the 'Church of Naruto'. We'll definately be seeing much, much more of him. Maybe even in the Chuunin exams if there is one.

And now Sasuke has a lot more to think about, especially about the "bond" that he may still share with Naruto.

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Okay, a bit more on what I think will happen next.

It'll be chuunin exam time! At least I hope it'll be... of course, this next part could be a bit of a showcase of the other Rookie 9's skills and how they've grown since Naruto left. We've still got to see more on what Kiba, Shino, Hinata, and Ino can do.

If not, and it goes with the chuunin exams, I think that we'll see Naruto teamed up with Sai. Perhaps we'll get a new female character joining up too.

And because it's the chuunin exam, we can probably expect a whole heap of new characters (won't that be fun for Shikamaru? Haha). If we're lucky, maybe we'll get to dive deeper into the mystery of who the other Jinchuuriki are. Maybe even some more on the other unknown Akatsuki characters.

Troublesome
June 01, 2006, 10:34 AM
I think we might get a bit more backgound on Kyuubi. And yes they'll be reporting back to Konoha me thinks. Here's hoping more Jiraiya and Kakashi. [br]Posted on: June 01, 2006, 08:31:08 AM_________________________________________________I like the thought of another chuunin exam. Naruto, Sai and .... Konohamaru?

THETRUTH.com
June 01, 2006, 10:42 AM
I think the next arc will mostly be about Naruto fully understanding his own abilities without an emphasis on Kyuubi chakra. They arc could involve the Chunnin Exam (will not take that many chapters as Naruto's skill have already advanced pass this level, hopefully) and training. But some other character will definitely come back into the picture. Maybe Team Kakashi starts to pick-up skills from their comrades while developing their own.

Prediction: Back home, Tsunade has a talk with them, Kakashi has recovered, Sakura tells Tsunade-sama about Sai's change of heart.

CheckMate
June 01, 2006, 10:45 AM
c'mon there will never be a chuunin exam for naruto.

what's the point anyway?

but training for team work is very possible, and yes naruto needs it

THETRUTH.com
June 01, 2006, 10:52 AM
c'mon there will never be a chuunin exam for naruto.

what's the point anyway?

but training for team work is very possible, and yes naruto needs it


Never said it would take many chapters but still might happen. Not the worst think in the world but yeah, right now he doesn't care about them that makes it doubtful. If he is going to be in Konoha he might as well take it.

O yeah and Yamato was fighting with "gloves on" apparently.

Raine_Joybringer
June 01, 2006, 10:57 AM
c'mon there will never be a chuunin exam for naruto.

what's the point anyway?

but training for team work is very possible, and yes naruto needs it


But there's always a chance we'll get to meet more Jinchuuriki in an exam :3

VeNoM87
June 01, 2006, 11:08 AM
I think there's a high probability that a chuunin exam is on the way.... I also think Naruto and Sai will get much better along in a long while, Sasuke will become jealous at some point cuz i think there's still some kind of humanity in him. I also think that Naruto and the Kyuubi will somehow manage to get "along" better. Imo the one who can train Naruto the most is the Kyuubi itself.

R3sistance
June 01, 2006, 12:00 PM
I think it will be a training arc, in what Naruto tries to master a new technique that he devolped but Jiraiya told him not to use, that or Naruto tries to master the body flicker technique... I mean nothing is that fast... Also the Kyuubi simply can not die in Naruto without Naruto himself atleast suffering injuries so something else has occured. So the Kyuubi itself may fill Naruto in on the "CURSED" powers of the evil Sharingan. Assuming this is not just a hated by the kyuubi but actually a fact in itself that the Sharingan is evil or came from an evil source.

But what gets me is that the Kyuubi said that Sasuke's Chakra is more evil then HIM! Could it be the Cursed seal itself has actually changed Sasuke's chakra evil and filled his veins with only hatred. Still Naruto did so poorly in the end, because his entire chakra system is burnt out, we can not take this arc as a comparison between Naruto and Sasuke because Naruto was weakened and Sasuke on the other hand is not. However, Naruto, still needs to fix his over all attitude, he is, still too child like.

zaijan_85
June 01, 2006, 12:18 PM
i dont think another chuunin exam will happen with naruto, hes got half a year left to rescue sasuke, and i dont hes wasting time against chuunins.
i agree he would do extra training with ero and then hunt down akatsuki, and in particular itachi

uv12345
June 01, 2006, 12:27 PM
Obvisly sasuke went byby so during about the next manga chapter the team will return to kohona and talk with tsunde and mr.pervert to talk about the meeting with sasuke . I also think through the next few chapters naruto will train with jiriya with some awsome teqnieqe which could rival sasuke most likely combing narutos with kyubis chakra or somthing like that

rocker2
June 01, 2006, 12:29 PM
Looks like I was wrong about Yamato's clone. It is just as weak as Naruto's Kage Buushin. Seems like it did go down with him and Kabuto was able to escape. The Kyuubi chakra being suppressed by Sasuke - plausible as Sasuke is using genjutsu. Not to mention that with both Naruto and Sasuke rejecting Kyuubi, there's not much he can do to stay out in the open anyway. Just as I thought, Sasuke did not remove the seal off the gates. I think this is a way to show that the nine-tails power has flaws just as large as the curse seal.

We already know that the Kyuubi's power can be suppressed. Yamato did it and now Sasuke has shown he has the power to do it as well. However, I've read a lot on how people thinking it pathetic how this can be done, especially Sasuke doing it. I'd like to clear up that the Kyuubi is cool, but it is not what is strong about Naruto. I think this is part of the theme that Kishi wanted to bring out as just from reading many of the posts, lots of people define Naruto by only the Kyuubi - as if the only reason Naruto has any capability as a ninja at all is because of the Kyuubi. This is a big misconception and I think Kishi is making use of this arc to clear this up once and for all. As I've mentioned in earlier posts, to become an exceptional ninja, power is just a small portion of what is needed and this is all the Kyuubi can give. The rest has always been Naruto. This is why even without the direct influence of the Kyuubi, Naruto can win his fights. The proportion to which Naruto relies on the Kyuubi changes as changes as the power (not skill) of the opponent changes. The Kyuubi is never brought out when it is just a talent match. In the VOE fight, Sasuke was increasing his power using the curse seal. To handle this power, Naruto brought out Kyuubi power. To counter the power of the full Sharingan (the Sharingan is not a technique, but the power of the bloodline), he had to bring out more Kyuubi power. However, the skill still stayed with Naruto.

So what now? Training possibly. However, it is apparent that Naruto got some reality knocked into him about how it is his strength that matters and not the Kyuubi's as Kyuubi power can be countered easily without him in full control (first Oro negating KN4 and then Sasuke suppressing Kyuubi within his own mind). Naruto became weak within the last arc because of his overreliance on the Kyuubi. Now, I suspect we will see the real Naruto, his true power (maybe with some background amplification by the Kyuubi) and his new skill set. Jiraiya, Kakashi and Tsunade have all foreshadowed that Naruto's own ability has skyrocketed, but unfortunately due to his rashness in trying to speed things up by using only the Kyuubi, all that he has learned and invented has been pushed aside.

As for Sasuke, the clan's relation to Madara and what bounds it places on their power will be coming out. Sasuke is powerful, but Yamato in the end showed that him plus another possibly would have the power to take him down. The Anbu are not to be trifled with and he finally showed why. The regret that Kyuubi was speaking of probably will foreshadow several things - 1. the curse of the MS which is that it will eventually make the user go blind 2. result in the user forever regretting the loss of their best friend in one fashion or another and sink into sorrow and 3. trying to kill Naruto will cause Naruto to truely go all out against him - Kyuubi also probably knows to what extent Naruto's true power lies and knows that should Sasuke push him that far, Naruto will use it and it will be Sasuke on the defensive 4. Killing Naruto results in the possible death of the Kyuubi and the Kyuubi will not let that happen - ie. the Kyuubi may be willing to make a sacrifice in terms of how he exists so long as he still does meaning that he may be willing to sacrifice his conscious self, such that his power and essence (Naruto already embodies Kyuubi's essence a little in his physical form and in terms of his persona) remains.

Finally, Itachi is that much stronger than Oro and Sasuke. MS grants Itachi a fire that burns through anything, complete and utter control over a non-MS consciousness and possibly some space-time manipulation technique (since Kakashi used one with his MS). No matter what Oro and Sasuke can do, with Itachi on par with them in techniques, speed and power normally, add in the MS and they are as good as gone. The only way to defeat any of the three is by the one thing all three lack - that is the will of fire or the will to protect - that of which Naruto has in greatest abundance. Does this mean that it will be Naruto defeating Itachi. Maybe, maybe not. I think Naruto will bring out the will of fire in Sasuke like he has done in many others so far which will finally give Sasuke the edge he needs.

sh0jin
June 01, 2006, 12:55 PM
Naruto's goal is becoming Hokage, if we dont see any progress in his development through the ranks, how else is he to fulfill his objective? Clearly after 2.5 years no success has happened, they couldnt get sasuke, and now they have lost the trail, no leads or anything. It would seem points less to make a small gap where naruto is back in konoha and then "miracously" some info comes in about the whereabouts sasuke is, then naruto is off again to try to get sasuke back. Naruto goes all out when he fights, if he could save sasuke it would have been done, apparantly something is missing, more training, special jutsu ... i dont know.

As for the Sasuke arc, this is over, we wont see sasuke for awhile. But what i do want to say is that i expect oro to take over sasuke body, sucessfully.Think about it, it what would be the total mind flip for the readers to find out the incomprehenisable has happened that Oro achieved his goal. This will open a new arc later(much later) with the ultimate bad ass Oro-sasuke. They (oro-sasuke) will kill itachi but then what, sasuke(consciense or essence, if that remains from the body tranfers) would realised what happened and then naruto next quest is to extract sasuke from the oro-sasuke combination.

By the way, i classify naruto as the "army of one" hokage. kage bushin is going to be and is his trademark, ohhhh an army of narutos each with rasegan is going to hit ass.

rocker2 that was beautiful, i like the thought.

cerventus
June 01, 2006, 12:59 PM
btw, are these latest Naruto released by Kishi or Filler writers?

Hope naruto feel frust and show that jutsu.

Remus
June 01, 2006, 01:29 PM
Well Sasukes "that technique" looked a bit like Kuchiyose no Jutsu but that just by the way. Well I guess it's going on with Akatsuki Arc and a pathetic Sasuke. For me he is the most pathetic person and he doesn't even try to imagine what his family would think about him allying with a person they would give everything to defeat. So for me it's clear. Let him go and die. Itachi will pawn Sasuchimaru and Naruto will pawn Itachi end of this stupid on and on story.

CheckMate
June 01, 2006, 01:34 PM
i know that itachi is very strong, but i don't expect him to be 'that' strong.

and it's surprised me when sasuke still admit that itachi is much stronger than him now.

does it mean he will not fight itachi if he encounters him now?

and what does 'surpress' mean? was it 'surpass'?

hmm..??!?

THETRUTH.com
June 01, 2006, 01:39 PM
Sasuke does seem to be lacking that all Uchiha Pride. What happened to the resurrection of his clan. He has become quite pathtic.

Reiya
June 01, 2006, 02:05 PM
Sasuke does seem to be lacking that all Uchiha Pride. What happened to the resurrection of his clan. He has become quite pathtic.
I think he went into pathtic mode when he knocked out Sakura and left... "Is Sakura more like a blossom that withered?" is a metaphorical question. She was kick-455 when she helped Chiyo fight against Sasori, but can't do anything what so ever with Sasuke. What happened to that? :s
I think next chapter Naruto's going to be so angry at himself that Kyuubi is going to take advantage over it. Maybe we'll see Sai's, Yamato's, and Sakura's true colors.

Maia
June 01, 2006, 02:57 PM
rocker2 you're post was absolutely AMAZING. Please keep predicting and posting! I'll be looking forward to reading them. <3

About Sakura... she wanted to help but Yamato got in the way... I think this fight was reality check for everyone really. Sakura is going to want to improve, Naruto is going to want to improve... even Sai, an ANBU, maybe probably re-evaluate his abilities...There's no way Team 7 is gonna go on with power level they have... if they got completely thrashed by Sasuke then they obviously need to power up.

I'd really love to see a new "bond" between Sai and Naruto.. and... I'm gonna stop here because I'm tired.

Can't wait for 310. =D

glasskatana
June 01, 2006, 02:59 PM
I'm on limited time here so I haven't read your guys posts. But I predict when Sasuke flew out of Yamato's cage thing a piece of the wood turned into a tracking seed and is hiding somewhere in Sasuke's clothes or sword.

ShadwsofArchonia
June 01, 2006, 03:12 PM
before chapter 309 it was Naruto you rule, Sasuke you suck.
after chapter 309, Naruto you f-ing suck, Sasuke you're a f-ing badass.

For Jiraiya being the strongest of the Legendary Three it sure seams he didn't teach Naruto Jack.

I hope to see a chapter solely based on Akatsuki, and it really gets me wondering how Uchiha blood and chakra can be more dangerous than the Oni chakra of the strongest Bijuu in existence in the Naruto Universe.

Hellsing boy
June 01, 2006, 03:37 PM
About Sasugay... I mean Sasuke... (am I the only one who thinks the uke part of his name is really apropriate?)

Sasuke is gay. He's a little wuss that's been crying forever about killing Itachi, about being an avenger, blah blah sob sob

and now, once again, he's run off with two guys, one of them four times his age, and who (admtitedly) is only interested in his body...

doesn´t get more gay than that if you ask me... right predictions. I predict the great and all powerful Alucard will show up, kill Kabuto, kill Orochimaru, kill Sasuke, and then kick Naruto's posterior so he'll stop thinking Sasuke is his friend (hello? people who shove an arm trough your lungs aren't your friends).

after that, they'll probably go back to Konoha or something, since the bad guys used the We're Escaping And There's Nothing You Can Do About It No Jutsu.

Lame.

Really, really, LAME!

goin back to Hellsing now...

Iwanin
June 01, 2006, 03:50 PM
Gold Knight will remember I made these conspiracy theories up a couple of months ago, and I think right now is the right time to post them:

2. I know for a fact that this one's our there, but I figured I'd offer my own take on it. The guy portrayed as Shodai's counterpart in the Valley of Endings is the Third Mangekyou Sharingan user. I'm basing this assesment on the fact that the Uchiha have a "long history" and that they'd been protecting the village since long before. The current Konoha is no more than 80 years old .. hardly a long history. Perhaps the Uchiha had been protecting the village which existed before. A more sinister, warlike village. The First Hokage was able to become Hokage because he ended the Great Ninja war. It's reasonable to assume he was able to do so because of his ability to control Bijuu. Thus, he could effectively cancel each village's Jinchuuriki by merely wishing to do so. But the First Hokage's antagonist had to be someone who had a different idea for Konoha. It could very well have been an Uchiha, if they had in fact been there for a long time.

3. The "true purpose" or secret of the Sharingan has something to do with controlling Bijuu. It would only make sense, as it unifies the two main story arcs: Sasuke's and Naruto's. It also means the plot can't be solved unless both are on the same side. It would fit well with the notion that an Uchiha was the First's rival, and possibly even with the theory that the Valley of Endings guy is both the Third User and the Akatsuki's leader.

4. Danzou was the First's Rival's apprentice. He was the Third's rival for the title of Hokage, so it's safe to assume he was a skilled Ninja and that he had a following. Since the First and his rival could be assumed to have fought over how to run Konoha, it would make sense that his disciple would follow in his warlike footsteps.

What I'm thinking now, like I already said in the new Third Mangekyou Sharingan User Thread, is that this Mandara is in fact the guy at the valley of endings, though whether or not he has anything to do with Akatsuki remains unclear.

I look at it this way: The First Hokage died in battle, but we're talking about a guy who had the Kyuubi at his beck and call. How could he possibly be defeated? Well, if his opponent had a special power which allowed him to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra...

So now, Naruto = Shodai, Sasuke = Shodai's rival (Mandara?). Perhaps that's the reason why Kakashi found it funny they should fight in the Valley of Endings, and said their lives were parallel.

As for the Theory that Danzou was the first's rival's apprentice, the fact that he'd try to kill Sasuke makes it somewhat less likely.

But there's still the matter with Sai.The question is if Danzou was introduced merely to introduce Sai, so that Sai could complete the four man team. If so, he could be dealt with rather quickly.

Regardless, there will have to be a confrontation between "Ne" (Root) and Tsunade, and I'd bet lots of secrets will come to light from it.

I think next chapter, though, will focus on the new members of Akatsuki rather than on Naruto and Co. We haven't seen them in a while.
[br]Posted on: June 01, 2006, 01:46:23 PM_________________________________________________Oh, and for the record, I think this newest development is just what the series needed. Having Naruto *not* being able to rely on the kyuubi lets him really *grow* from now on.

But yeah, if what people want to see is just ass-kicking, if they want Naruto to be something like the freakin' strongest guy out there from the get-go... they'll be disappointed.

Naruto's real strength is not the Kyuubi, nor his own chakra, but his heart. It's this heart which will someday make him the "greatest" of all Hokage. :amuse

midnight789
June 01, 2006, 04:00 PM
Although its possible they will continue chasing sasuke, i highly doubt it. its time for them to head home. As for everyone complaining about team 7 getting ravaged by sasuke, I don't really think it was all that bad. I mean, naruto had fought (and sorta held his own) against orochimaru in his 4 tail demon shroud, which is highly damaging to his body. That was before he got to the base and had another mini-fight against oro where he wasted more chakra. give him a break, itd be kinda unrealistic for him to become a crazy super powerful shinobi god who kills oro and gives sasuke the beat down he deserves and saves the day. as for yamato getting owned and sakura not doing anything, well thats half true. Sakura didnt do anything (which i found disapointing). Yamato though, basically saved her arse, got stabbed only because sasuke had a kusanagi sword (i mean, how could anyone know that? THERES ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE ONE) and he wasnt even really serious. now he was starting to get serious in the end, but we'll never know how that woulda turned out. maybe sasuke woulda obliterated them all with his super-awesome-THAT-jutsu, or maybe naruto would have stopped him with a super-awesome-THAT-jutsu of his own........ok, enough of that, now for my prediction.
I think they are gonna go back to konoha and report their failure, and i dont think too much of importance is gonna happen next chapter. just them licking their wounds. after that, i would like to see someone do some actual ninja stuff, GATHERING INTELLIGENCE! like who is uchiha madara, and just what/how the sharingan is/came to be and what are its limits. also seeing some new jinchuuriki(s) and learning more about the akatsuki would be nice but alas im probably asking for too much. Most importantly of all, whats gonna happen to yamato and sai? itd be a shame to send yamato back into the background after all this, and the same with sai (however much i dislike him). maybe yamato will get a team of his own, with sai in it :blink ok, now im starting to think wierd thoughts again, ill stop typin.

EDIT: on further thought, i figure either yamato or sai (99% sure its sai) is gonna stay on team 7 to fill in sasuke's place, as it is kinda necesary.

Reiya
June 01, 2006, 04:16 PM
I got a bad feeling about the next chapter and how it's going to be... It's either going to start with Naruto crying because he couldn't fulfil his promise to Sakura or he's going to be pissed at himself for not being able to take Sasugay (aka Sasuke) out.
There's also another thing I noticed: If Naruto get's mad, then Kyuubi's chakra starts to come out and the Shodai's necklace isn't on. On the last page, in the middle picture, Naruto looks like he's been somewhat sleep deprived. That is puzzling for anyone. :s

VeNoM87
June 01, 2006, 04:33 PM
I got a bad feeling about the next chapter and how it's going to be... It's either going to start with Naruto crying because he couldn't fulfil his promise to Sakura or he's going to be pissed at himself for not being able to take Sasugay (aka Sasuke) out.
There's also another thing I noticed: If Naruto get's mad, then Kyuubi's chakra starts to come out and the Shodai's necklace isn't on. On the last page, in the middle picture, Naruto looks like he's been somewhat sleep deprived. That is puzzling for anyone. :s


Aye he kinda looked like how he looked like when Naruto and Sasuke did the chidori Vs Rasengan, and you had a short moment of silence where it looked like Naruto was in a dream world, with his eyes looking really sleepy.
As for my prediction, I think Naruto will be a bit upset, but i think he'll start to realise that he can't change Sasuke anymore, prolly a flashback to the time Jiraiya told him that he couldn't stop Orochimaru from turning all evil. Maybe there will come something like a chuunin exam which he will pass to boost his self asteem (or however you write that)... after that he might train harder with people like kakashi (so Naruto gets all pumped up because he thinks he's finally becoming an "adult"). For the rest i have no idea what could happen, i think that there will come a talk between: Naruto, Kakashi an Jiraiya about the dangers of Akatsuki etc etc + Naruto will eat lots of Ramen when he gets back ;x

ligerjager
June 01, 2006, 04:44 PM
a question from stupid here but what is this MADARA????

SacredNic
June 01, 2006, 04:46 PM
I think it'll be a trip back to Konoha... with a fair bit
of conversation between Sakura and Sai. Naruto will
remain sullen.

Iwanin
June 01, 2006, 05:07 PM
Now, who would have expected that Sasuke can surpress the Kyuubi. And on top of that, Kyuubi threating Sasuke to make him regret, if he kills Naruto.


I actually think this "threatening to kill Sasuke" thing is not quite it. He *does* say "You'll eventually regret it", but I dunno... I'm no expert on this, but from how he phrases it, I'm getting the nuance not as "I'll make you regret it" as much as "you'll suffer afterwards."

I'm thinking that if this Mandara character *was* the First's rival, and he did Kill him, maybe he got the Mangekyou like that... and that if Sasuke were to kill Naruto, he'd get the Mangekyou the way Itachi suggested he should.

Itachi was very convinced something interesting would happen if Sasuke gained the Mangekyou Sharingan ... I'd wager this is what Kyuubi was alluding to, like saying "if you kill Naruto, you'll eventually suffer a fate worse than death."

Since Sasuke doesn't fear death - his single fear is that he won't be able to kill Itachi - this "fate worse than death" thing seems the most logical interpretation to me. Kyuubi might not know what Sasuke's mindset is, but it his words might be a way for Kishimoto to offer readers a foreshadowing of things to come...

mageofdeath
June 01, 2006, 05:19 PM
this isn't a prediction for 310 as much as it is as a final prediction, what if oro doesn't really want sasuke's body but instead wants Itachi's and sasuke is just a ploy to distract Itachi, that would be fabulous because then Oro would really be the ultimate villain if he had mangekyo sharingan...

j0ny
June 01, 2006, 05:30 PM
Ok, so Naruto now has no reason to go after Sasuke becuase he will just get killed. This means that the whole time skip was pretty much useles, because Naruto has no goal now besides stopping Sasuke from destroying Konoha.

Will he fight Akatsuki? Probably because they are after his head. Is Kyubi gone? Is Naruto stronger now? Will Sai join team kakashi for good? What are the consequences of his actions? Is Yamato the mysterious root member?

So much to think about, I don't know where to predict....

ligerjager
June 01, 2006, 05:48 PM
I think this will be the beginning of the true arc...

Now that sasuke was introduced again this ending leaves many openings for new possible storylines. I would rather not have this storyline return to a chuunin exam, which shouldn't be the only way to advance in rank, but I like many others do see the team returning to konoha and reporting back to tsunade. Maybe a few skirmishes with Ne will ensue and that will be resolved.

For this new arc i would like to see some new things introduced such as some more jinchuurikis and maybe the introduction of the akatsuki (the ones that haven't been fleshed out yet). With the intro of some more jichuuriki i hope there will be some more powerful friends in the works, like and alliance/friendship of powerful friends. Naruto would have some great allies as well as probably changing them (converts to the "church of Naruto" if you will) in a way forshadow what he will do when he becomes Hokage (i.e. bring a sort of peace to the shinobi world, become the greatest hokage ever :smile-big).

As for team 7, I don't think of it as that anymore, Rather team kakashi or yamato. I have no ideas as to what will happen to this formation. I actually would like to see this team continue, it would be a shame to throw away such new bonds as we are seeing the team growing and strengthening. It would also be pointless for them to continue a pursuit considering they no longer have a trail to go by. i don't see kakashi rejoining the team anytime soon but who knows, I'm not guessing on what kishimoto has in store.

we are also forgetting that Yamato has the power to seal kyuubi, which I think he will do in the following chapters, because he didn't do it earlier on.

As for Naruto I think that this small arc was to reintroduce sasuke and to show his growth, albeit he does it with flare. this introduction probably stunned the audience in away as well as the team and unfortunately caused many to perceive that Naruto was useless and weak, because we're used to seeing him make an entrance. Also it will cause a self evaluation and he will train and or do missions in the mean time to re-train himself and grow(skyrocket again).

what many have been looking for is a DBZ type of character...never ending power and a few sensue (sp?) beans to boot, but what makes this manga different in a way is that there are consequences to such power and many avenues for speculation. What people are expecting is a Goku type indiviual in Naruto, but I believe Kishimoto is avoiding this by making (eeee--gad) human. He is full of mistakes (we have been witness to that...many times) and grows stronger because he makes them. We are seeing his character slowly but surely mature and his intelligence (say what??) increasing.

Kishimoto is pain-stakingly growing his character...and we get the luxury of seeing a top class shinobi in the making, as painful as it is (yay a hokage being born).
I think something much more spectaular will show up later on (he's only 15 for goodness sake, who thinks things through that clearly at that age?)

anyways i don't think it would be fun otherwise...next chapter will be probably analyzation of the events, team evalutaion, meeting up with team gai and returning to konoha....maybe naruto gets advanced in rank o_O

Iwanin
June 01, 2006, 06:51 PM
As for Naruto I think that this small arc was to reintroduce sasuke and to show his growth, albeit he does it with flare. this introduction probably stunned the audience in away as well as the team and unfortunately caused many to perceive that Naruto was useless and weak, because we're used to seeing him make an entrance. Also it will cause a self evaluation and he will train and or do missions in the mean time to re-train himself and grow(skyrocket again).

what many have been looking for is a DBZ type of character...never ending power and a few sensue (sp?) beans to boot, but what makes this manga different in a way is that there are consequences to such power and many avenues for speculation. What people are expecting is a Goku type indiviual in Naruto, but I believe Kishimoto is avoiding this by making (eeee--gad) human. He is full of mistakes (we have been witness to that...many times) and grows stronger because he makes them. We are seeing his character slowly but surely mature and his intelligence (say what??) increasing.

Kishimoto is pain-stakingly growing his character...and we get the luxury of seeing a top class shinobi in the making, as painful as it is (yay a hokage being born).
I think something much more spectaular will show up later on (he's only 15 for goodness sake, who thinks things through that clearly at that age?)


Amen to that. If people want to see ridiculously powerful main characters who never have to face a reality-check or two, they can read any number of other manga. :tem

Batokun
June 01, 2006, 07:21 PM
ok chaprter i expected more from 309 tho, does anyone know who uchiha madara might be?

well for the next chapter im guessing we will see something on dansu or something involving sai

sejma
June 01, 2006, 07:53 PM
Something that keeps bugging me in the way that people are reading 309 is that they don't notice how flawed Sasuke still is. Yamato surprised him. Orochi still is his superior. People aren't seeing past the flash of his introduction and the flash of his moves and kyuubi suppression, and not taking into account that Team 7 was holding back because they wanted a peaceful resolution, nor that Team 7 was also underestimating him based on who they hoped he still was (i.e., someone who could be rescued, someone who still cared about his friends, etc.). Sasuke is not on Sannin level, let me just say. Etc. etc.



this isn't a prediction for 310 as much as it is as a final prediction, what if oro doesn't really want sasuke's body but instead wants Itachi's and sasuke is just a ploy to distract Itachi, that would be fabulous because then Oro would really be the ultimate villain if he had mangekyo sharingan...


Orochi stated long ago that he wanted Itachi's body first, but Itachi was too powerful. He somehow got the idea afterwards that Sasuke had a greater potential than Itachi - it might be true, or he might be retconning his reason for using Sasuke.

WarmIce
June 01, 2006, 08:02 PM
I want more Naruto development!!! pls pls pls Kishimoto.


I don't know what, but no more oh-so-serious buznis with the Akatsuki, Orochimaru or Revenge. One more arc on these topics and I don't think I can stand it anymore. Pre-timeskip is still my favourite because the Chuunin arc was light-hearted but also highlights the many rivalries between the characters.


I hope they reveal more insight into Sai's brother, Naruto's dad ...oops Yondaime and Konoha's alliances with other countries.

jerger
June 01, 2006, 08:02 PM
lets break down the word madara first:
seems to have to do something with ocean fish, ocean rays (sting rays), scallaps and snails...

can anyone give a direct translation on the word "madara"... detatch yourselves from naruto for a bit... think not uchiha, but the word itself (many people keep asking this and everyone replies "nobody knows yet" rather then... oh, like the akatsuki guy it means shark! etc)

http://www.oceandictionary.net/mljem.html

i also found it in this context...
Snake Girl (Madara no shôjo)

update: spots; speckles; mottles=madara

which to me probably means "snake"... which is odd, since i imagine sasuke and ochimaru represent snakes now... while itatchi is weezal (WEEEZZZZ!!!! or whatever)... ( i forget the exact mammal... something with a big ahole like he is)

1. "sasuke and och" are < itatchi... why? well snake looses to the WEEEEZZZ
-people keep thinking, if naruto can't beat sasuke/och how could he even face itatch?
think weaknesses... this means sas/och are limited by their summons and limits... itatch might be on par with sasuke now, but he has a over powering summon (well so we assume)

2. what does this mean? cannot a frog eat a weasal? i saw a giant bullfrog eat a snake once, it was pretty awesome on tv. maybe it could eat a weasal. what about a demon fox? what about a new naruto, that uses both of his chakras and abilities, rather then using the demon directly (like doube the stamina, due to deamon viagra)

I am starting to go with the ... "naruto should kill itatchi to win over sasuke", if not i don't really see another way. my guess is they will seek naruto for his ability, or maybe naruto will rely on his konoaha and sand allies once more.

someone should translate madara for us

3. the possiblity the akatsuki will kill orochimaru and co... since well orochimaru is always saying stuff like "let kenoha kill them" or that they are on their kill list...

deep down inside, it sound retarded but...
maybe itatchi, killed uchiha for a good reason. maybe he loves his brother.

if not...

maybe he loves the thought of his brother getting revenge or finding his own path, rather then being raised up anbu like himself (probably a horrible job killing people for $) ... either way

i dont think he will allow orochimaru to take over his body.

zaijan_85
June 01, 2006, 08:39 PM
We already know that the Kyuubi's power can be suppressed. Yamato did it and now Sasuke has shown he has the power to do it as well. .



But didn't tsunade say only the first could control the kyuubi's power? ... having sasuke stop kyuubi messed things up... in the very first pages of naruto kyuubi was unstoppable until the 4th sacrificed his life sealing it

midnight789
June 01, 2006, 08:42 PM
3. the possiblity the akatsuki will kill orochimaru and co... since well orochimaru is always saying stuff like "let kenoha kill them" or that they are on their kill list...

deep down inside, it sound retarded but...
maybe itatchi, killed uchiha for a good reason. maybe he loves his brother.


I still say there is more to Itachi then we know. I think he did care about his brother, but he was also fully and utterly disgusted with his clan (for what reason we can only guess). also we still don't know exactly how he got his MS. he said you must kill your best friend, but i doubt the actual killing would magically give you that power. It probably had something to do with his feelings; rage, sorrow, horror, happiness, etc. Maybe kishi will clear this up along with the whole uchiha madara thing.


i also found it in this context...
Snake Girl (Madara no shôjo)

lol im quoting you again, you had some good points :smile-big does anyone know if madara is a female name? Im not exactly familiar with the japanese language so i don't know too much about genderized names. I think itd be awesome if uchiha madara was a woman.
Anywho, what I'm most interested in now is whats gonna happen to sai and yamato. I guess theres still time for sai to die on the way home from falling out of a tree and falling on his head (i wonder how many acadamy ninjas they lose that way?) but i doubt it.

EDIT: wow im stupid, relookin at the chapter sasuke refers to uchiha madara as "him" so i guess thats outa the question. o wells. still kewl stuff tho

R3sistance
June 01, 2006, 08:49 PM
But didn't tsunade say only the first could control the kyuubi's power? ... having sasuke stop kyuubi messed things up... in the very first pages of naruto kyuubi was unstoppable until the 4th sacrificed his life sealing it


Not really, First off the first could only control the tail beasts through a specialized Crystal he made out of his own chakra, nothing really stops people making their own version of that crystal now, if they have the skill to do it. But Sasuke pushing back the demon fox what was their against Naruto's will, so that means the demon fox was probably espically weakened anyways. And it was only a clone of it's head, probably not the real demon fox as that lays past the seal =P. Sasuke seems to love to attack Naruto whilst he is weakened it seems... oh well =P. But anyways, Sasuke did not CONTROL the demon foxs powers, he supressed them so that Naruto could not draw on them, after all if Naruto did, he'd get very strong and very fast =P. Remember after all 4-tail Naruto beat Orochimaru like he was mearly nothing, no way Sasuke is gunna be strong enough to fight that, since he is limited by Orochimaru's teachings =P.

Substance
June 01, 2006, 10:23 PM
Naruto has Sharingan..

my prediction :D or kyuubi has something similar =/

rocker2
June 01, 2006, 10:46 PM
After reading some of the posts, I think it is time for some more clarity.

1. When did the First create the crystal from his chakra? From what I have read, he happened upon the rare crystal (either through travels, etc.) and it luckly resonated with his chakra. From this combination, he was able to utilize this crystal to manipulate his chakra to higher levels - ie. convert his chakra into energies that could control a bijuu which are by the way, massive bodies of chakra with a consciousness. This however does not mean he can actively beckon and control bijuu. From what we have seen so far, his jutsu utilizing the crystal merely suppresses the bijuu chakra. Thus the First could protect Konoha from attack from bijuu by supressing and likely dispersing the bijuu. However, remember that bijuu, even after they are banished away from a site in the current time can return later on. This is why the 4th sealed the Kyuubi into Naruto. Not just to defeat the Kyuubi, but also to keep it from returning to attack Konoha in the future.

2. This leads to the Uchiha. What Sasuke did was supress the Kyuubi's power. While this banishes him in the present, he can still return in the future (ie. he is not dead and the Uchiha do not possess the ability to destroy it - at least from what we have seen so far). Also, Sasuke only suppressed a small amount of the Kyuubi's power. Additionally, Naruto was rejecting that power in the first place. If Naruto took in that power to begin with, I doubt that Sasuke would be able to suppress the combined entity. Also, when it was attacking Konoha in the first place, the Kyuubi was at full strength. While the first had the chakra crystal to suppress the Kyuubi, I highly doubt that any of the Uchiha in the village at the time the Kyuubi attacked Konoha during the reign of the 4th were of sufficient strength to handle the suppression. Also, even if some Uchiha suppressed the Kyuubi, it likely would just disperse and then reform somewhere else and then attack Konoha all over again. Thus, the 4th sealed the Kyuubi.

3. This leads to Naruto. Naruto is the ONLY one who has been able to control the Kyuubi's powers and utilize them for fighting. That is why Yamato, Tsunade, Oro, etc. are all amazed. Naruto is in total control of the Kyuubi's powers before KN1 (and even then he is in majority control). It isn't really until KN3+ that Naruto is not longer in majority control. While Jinchuuriki have the ability to compress and utilize the bijuu's power they carry by resonating with it, almost all cannot utilize their full potential while staying sane and in control. Gaara can't either. However, Naruto has been shown to be the only one who hold the potential to go all the way and either control the Kyuubi in its entirety or absorb the Kyuubi out of existence and then utilize that power upgrade while remaining sane. The second point is the likely goal of the 4th when he sealed the Kyuubi into Naruto with his special seal.

4. This leads to my final point and that is the Bijuu are the ultimate bodies of chakra, but that does not make them all powerful or smart as already seen. Thus Naruto was able to defeat Shikaku at full strength and Oro was able to keep up with KN4 which pretty much is the Kyuubi in control. This is why the story is named Naruto and not Kyuubi. Kyuubi is pretty much worthless without Naruto, but the same does not apply in the opposite. Naruto without the Kyuubi had the potential to be where Sasuke is now (minus the Mr. Evil act). In a way, Naruto starts out pathetic mostly due to the Kyuubi as well. While it has the potential to help him, Kyuubi is a demon and thus it is a curse that Naruto needs to overcome each step of the way.

ZeroDegrez
June 01, 2006, 10:53 PM
There is only one possible outcome...I think.

Naruto can't stop Sasuke. So he only has one option. Kill itachi before Sasuke can take his revenge, thus taking away Sasuke's reason to give up his body to Oro and saving him...indirectly. This also puts Naruto in direct opposition to Akatski.

Fryer
June 01, 2006, 11:17 PM
I agree with ZeroDegrez, that Naruto will now have to kill Itachi to save Sasuke. Which means he will probably do more training with Kakashi and maybe Gai in the near future.

ifallible
June 01, 2006, 11:54 PM
Well, we know now for sure that Orochimaru can use his hands again. I'm assuming that the soul transfer technique brought about the healing, but I honestly didn't think that was the way it was gonna happen (I'm thinking about when Oro said that "there is still one more way remaining" after Tsunade rejected him). I thought because his soul's arms were cut off that it would have to be some sort of regeneration of his own soul, but I guess he just took the arms of his host's soul. I really thought we were gonna see Naruto go elite and rely on all that training he had with Jiraiya in this battle but... I guess with this he's motivated to get stronger, so he'll probably enter the Chuunin exam and we'll get to see his skills then.[br]Posted on: June 01, 2006, 09:38:49 PM_________________________________________________ZeroDegrez, you make a good point. I agree with you there. That will likely piss Sasuke off a hell of a lot tho. He'll prolly try to escape Orochi, who will try to stop him, and Sasuke will have to kill or be killed. It was the character named Sarutobi Sasuke in the myth (I forget which one) who killed Orochi.

midnight789
June 02, 2006, 12:02 AM
I just have to put this out there, but I <3 rocker2. you know how to spell, you know grammar, and you are able to put my thoughts on paper better than i am.

Moving on. I don't think naruto is gonna be training with kakashi/gai. he just got done training with jiraiya for 2.5 years, and now that we've settled the whole turn-kyuubi-every-time-i-fight thing maybe now we'll be able to see the fruits of that training.

CheckMate
June 02, 2006, 12:09 AM
I agree with ZeroDegrez, that Naruto will now have to kill Itachi to save Sasuke. Which means he will probably do more training with Kakashi and maybe Gai in the near future.


kill itachi? in this last 6 months? i'm sorry but naruto wouldnt improve that much (he couldn't even scratch sasuke even a bit).
to remind u, oro would probably overtake sasuke's body anytime soon.
so something is needed to be done bfore 6 months. otherwise, sayonara sasuke..

and gai? what is his business with naruto? naruto is not a specialist in taijutsu, so forget him.

team kakashi will definitely tries to track sasuke again. how? that's the question :p

Sephy7KillerMech
June 02, 2006, 12:22 AM
I see a chance for Uchiha development on a whole. Like and Uchiha Gaiden that will talk about their bloodline and their involvment with Kyuubi maybe?
Or we will go back to Konoha and make a chuunin out of naruto finally. That would be a good chance to see how much he has really advanced and since Kyuubi seems to have been supressed we could all get what we have been waiting for.... probably not though, Kishi is such a tease ;P.
I predict Uchiha story development, yes, that would definitly fit in with Kishi's growing obsession with the Uchiha clan. :noworry

ligerjager
June 02, 2006, 12:29 AM
i would like to hear bits about the uchiha or one lump sum in a conversation between the hokage and naruto or whoever...I'm abit annoyed with the clan as it is (obito was the only redeeming of the clan that they showed so far)

I think they will join up with team gai and share info...maybe head back to konoha and plan or finally advance Naruto ^^

Fryer
June 02, 2006, 12:39 AM
to remind u, oro would probably overtake sasuke's body anytime soon.
so something is need to be done bfore 6 months. otherwise, sayonara sasuke..

and gai? what is his business with naruto? naruto is not a specialist in taijutsu, so forget him.


Good point about the time line, so it would probably be a team 7 fight against Itachi.

And Gai is the only one who can consistently stand up to someone using the sharingan, so his knowledge would be helpful.

THETRUTH.com
June 02, 2006, 01:17 AM
kill itachi? in this last 6 months? i'm sorry but naruto wouldnt improve that much (he couldn't even scratch sasuke even a bit).
to remind u, oro would probably overtake sasuke's body anytime soon.
so something is need to be done bfore 6 months. otherwise, sayonara sasuke..

and gai? what is his business with naruto? naruto is not a specialist in taijutsu, so forget him.

team kakashi will definitely tries to track sasuke again. how? that's the question :p


You are right but we really don't know anything about Naruto's abilities post time-skip since he hasn't show much. The most recent Sasuke/Naruto fight featured a weakened Naruto thus cant assess their power accurately.

If Kyuubi & Naruto come to some kind of understanding with that additional chakra and speed he could gain alot is possible. But one advantage Naruto will not have in the event he fights against Itachi is that Itachi will not underestimate him like other opponents including Sasuke.

eiji_9
June 02, 2006, 01:41 AM
kill itachi? in this last 6 months? i'm sorry but naruto wouldnt improve that much (he couldn't even scratch sasuke even a bit).


that's wrong, naruto was weakened from fighting orochimaru, give him a break...

also, i predict more talking on the next chapter with naruto coming in to terms with his "child" like qualities

sakura moping around more, sai staying on the team for a while, and they will definitely go after akatsuki in some way

SacredNic
June 02, 2006, 02:39 AM
I think that Sasuke's body will be taken over by
Oro in the next chapter.

_ATMA
June 02, 2006, 03:45 AM
i think were going to see a return to koanaha about half way they're going to meet kakashi, then were going to see a side story of root and the "disposal" or reconditioning of sai due to the return of his feelings

rocker2
June 02, 2006, 03:58 AM
Thanks midnight789 for the compliment.

Thought I'd add another comment or two here about the Sasuke and Naruto match-up. If Sasuke's got a lot of new techniques and has become that powerful, you can be sure that Naruto (not the Kyuubified one) will be just as powerful or more. Both are always painted as equals and this is one thing that won't change. None of what Sasuke has shown us so far are things that Naruto can't do himself. Sasuke is extremely fast, but Naruto when fighting seriously is super fast as well (VOE fight, fight with Deidara). Not to mention all the foreshadowing of Naruto being very similar to the 4th. Thus speed is likely going to be on Naruto's side in a fight (though speed can be neutralized by Sasuke's sharingan's predictive capabilities). The chidori flow move was quite the defense, but is no more powerful than someone jacking up their chakra and just blowing their enemy away - ex. Naruto blasting away Kabuto with only his Chakra. Not to mention that when Naruto did so, Kabuto was fairly injured. The Kusangi sword w/ chidori flow is good, but Naruto can use Rasengan to neutralize it. As for the numbing effect, Naruto's chakra when mixed with active Kyuubi chakra is poison. And while Sasuke has the Sharingan, Naruto does have the Kyuubi. Kishi is good at including many important points just under the surface so that the flow of the story is dominant. However, these points maintain the storyline by keeping the main themes present regardless of how the story may be moving at the time.

Also, neither Sasuke or Naruto can match up to Itachi yet. He is on par with the Sannin and then some thanks to the MS. Also, Jiraiya is not the strongest of the Sannin. Just like Sasuke and Naruto, Jiraiya and Oro are suppose to be on the same level. So why would Itachi not engage Jiraiya, but is a great enough threat to scare Oro away? The answer was revealed by Itachi himself. Jiraiya has a very strong will of fire (will to protect) and thus would be willing to die to protect Naruto. When one is willing to put their life on the line, their potential becomes much higher as they have nothing to lose. Oro on the otherhand fears death and lacks the will of fire so his potential is always held back. Thus if Itachi tried to kill Jiraiya, even thoug h he may hold greater ability and strength, Jiraiya would go for broke and not quit. With Itachi much weakened from using the MS to fight Jiraiya, should Jiraiya somehow manage to escape or counter the MS, even if half dead, Jiraiya would still try to finish off Itachi and would probably either succeed or draw in the end due to Itachi being weakened.[br]Posted on: June 02, 2006, 01:52:58 AM_________________________________________________I thought I'd add that with the necklace broken, Yamato is no longer required so Kakashi is likely to come back to the team. Training wise though, it think it still will be Jiraiya and Naruto. Naruto's style is like Jiraiya and the 4th's: unique, powerful jutsu which is self-developed and pretty much copy-proof. Kakashi is a bad match to train Naruto since he is a sharigan user and thus primarily a copycat.

Gold Knight
June 02, 2006, 04:19 AM
Well, I usually don't post my observations on recent chapters too often aside from my Ten Comments threads, but I wanted to say that I enjoyed Raine, rocker2, Iwanin, and ligerjager's posts. Very insightful. Keep it up.

I agree with ligerjager that the next arc should be the start of, or at least a prelude to, a much more important storyline. That's why I don't believe that there will be a Chuunin Exams subplot now, but I can go with a training session with Kakashi. I still think we will be seeing more from the "Root" now before we'll see any more of the Akatsuki, though.

As for the Sasuke-Naruto match-up, I do agree that they are equals, to an extent. Right now they both are likely hiding all sorts of "surprise abilities" and it will come down to who is more prepared. But as rocker2 said, Naruto is now having to learn how to fight without relying on the Kyuubi, which I believe will make the story even better. Naruto will be more ready to face Sasuke the next time they meet than he's ever been, in my opinion.

Also, with Sasuke seemingly lost "all pride of the Uchiha," there's a possibility that he could still be playing Orochimaru. He still has to hang out with them after all. Yes, he said that he didn't care if Orochimaru took his body, like he seems to mean it, but I think that when Orochimaru mentioned that they would let Naruto's group just in case they could take care of the Akatsuki for them, Sasuke did seem very annoyed and frustrated. At some point, I believe that Sasuke is going to believe that Orochimaru is actually holding him back.

Also, regarding Yamato's wooden clone that rocker2 mentioned, it's likely Orochimaru got rid of it, not Kabuto.

And Uchiha Madara, I agree with Iwanin, could be the opposite of Shodai. It'll be interesting as we learn more about his history.

Bullwinkle
June 02, 2006, 06:25 AM
Couldn't Uchiha Madara be the fourth? Or the leader of Akatsuki? Or has someone said that before.
NEwayz, I don't think that the confrontation with Sasuke is quite over yet. I mean, look back to the end of chapter 307. Sasuke's hand is hoovering over Naruto's backpack. On top of that, he KNOWS that Orochimaru is going to take over his body.
Couldn't he have left a gift behind?
Ah, NEwayz, I stole this from a friend on another board/site.

nightvanguard
June 02, 2006, 07:00 AM
nope,they wont go after akatsuki, akatsuki will go after them..

lee-nus
June 02, 2006, 07:27 AM
i believe they will return to konoha. after all, they should report back about the whole danzou thing, shouldnt they? its also possible that naruto migth take a chuunin exam if there is one, i guess. i wonder if sai will stay on the team, after returning to konoha, given that that's what happens...

Remus
June 02, 2006, 10:01 AM
I was to lazy to read all the posts so i just scanned over them. And I saw something about improvement of Team 7 which is the most pathetic thing and Naruto himself is lacking power ? WTF is that. He wasn't even attacking,neither was Sai or Sakura the only person attacking was Sasuke and since Kishi loves Sasuke he mad him look really cool etc. But as I stated before he is pathetic and Oro was able to get him where he wanted him. In a weak psychological state. I mean he underestimates himself and overestimates his bro. Well I dun care about Sasuke since the main character is Naruto and I want his story to proceed. The hell I care about a scaredy cat who lost sence of reality.

Dracul
June 02, 2006, 10:40 AM
a lot of the posts suggest that naruto will be doing the chunnin exam. i hope that he doesn't. i would prefer him to still be a genin when he becomes the hokage :smile-big

i am hoping that the next couple of chapters will be more lighthearted, show a bit of characterization between naruto and his teammates, maybe go back to konoha and show us some of the other konoha ninjas we love (team GAI of course!) and then something will happen with akatsuki. yeah, thats my prediction as well, but kishi is suprizing me every week so i have litle faith in my own prediction.

i am just tired of sasgay and i wish that naruto would realize that he is no longer a friend but an enemy.

outlandish prediction. naruto put a seal on sasgay while he was getting hugz and naruto warps right up to him. the rest of the team follows naruto's bunshin that he left behind, and the battle continues. that would be so badass i wouldnt even know what to do. however, naruto looked a little depressed instead of confident so im guessing he didnt do anything like that. :oh

kubik
June 02, 2006, 10:56 AM
(team GAI of course!)
Team Gai had his 5 mins of light in the beginning... time for Team 8 or Team 10 to go on a mission with Team 7 IMO
And judging by the fact that I predict that Naruto would want to find other jinchuuriki before Akatsuki I think about Team8/Team7 union.

Gold Knight
June 02, 2006, 11:01 AM
a lot of the posts suggest that naruto will be doing the chunnin exam. i hope that he doesn't. i would prefer him to still be a genin when he becomes the hokage :smile-big


Or, well, think about this. Sasuke himself is technically still a Genin in the eyes of Konohagakure as well. Since Naruto won't become Hokage until he gets his friend back, it's still very likely that Sasuke will return to the Leaf at some point. It'd be kinda fun if they enter the Chuunin Exams together and pretty much wipe the floor with everybody and then go against each other to become Chuunins, or even Jounins.

Guess we'll see, but that'd be fun.

swifty007
June 02, 2006, 11:10 AM
In the next chapter, Naruto and co. will go back to the leaf, where he will receive some tlc from Hinata...

theuop
June 02, 2006, 11:12 AM
i dont think that this arc has ended for the simple fact that at teh end of each arc they show a glimpse of the upcoming problem, to me it seems like yamato let sasuke stab him on purpose, i mean all of a sudden he can repelle the sword, to me he was just trying to like get his blood on it or something to be able to follow them... my two centssss

Dracul
June 02, 2006, 12:01 PM
In the next chapter, Naruto and co. will go back to the leaf, where he will receive some tlc from Hinata...

in regards to naruto getting with hinata... i didn't want to have to tell you this... but its not gonna happen :p



i dont think that this arc has ended for the simple fact that at teh end of each arc they show a glimpse of the upcoming problem, to me it seems like yamato let sasuke stab him on purpose, i mean all of a sudden he can repelle the sword, to me he was just trying to like get his blood on it or something to be able to follow them... my two centssss

both points are good ones. that would be badass if yamato did that, kinda like kakashi in the first arc. the one thing about not having a lead into the next arc is that they really didnt have any situation where some other arc could have come about. the only possible thing is that they could have zetsu come out of the ground again, but really, nobody else would have any reason or means to be there and start a new arc.

CheckMate
June 02, 2006, 12:09 PM
the new team 7 perfomed again: kakashi - yamato - naruto - sai - sakura.

both yamato and sai deserve to be involved in the team now.
and once again, they'll come after sasuke

uv12345
June 02, 2006, 12:28 PM
anybody got a predicton that will last a awhile

midnight789
June 02, 2006, 12:55 PM
Ok, the more I think about it the less i think a chuunin exam will happen. Sasuke's only got half a year, if that, till oro takes his body. Unless naruto gives up on him and decides to view him as an enemy (which im pretty sure wont happen) they are going to continue chasing him. It's pretty clear that naruto has put saving sasuke on the top of his list. to him taking the chuunin exam would be a waste of time. As someone stated the question is how are they going to find sasuke now? Technically the arc isn't over yet and it can still go on, but for some reason I don't think that is going to happen. I guess they could go after akatsuki, but I don't think thats going to happen. I think the only way akatsuki will become involved again is if akatsuki makes the first move (trying to capture naruto, etc.) which could very well happen. it is about that time. anywho, I have this feeling that this manga is gonna be around for a long time, and thats the way kishi is planning it....

maideth
June 02, 2006, 12:55 PM
i think we will see naruto depressed in the next chapter , sasuke is gone again! maybe we will have some hint from jiraiya or tsunade about uchia madara... (naruto should talk with someone about that )
and then... new training? new missions? well ,i don't know :)

jerger
June 02, 2006, 01:12 PM
has anyone made any sense about my "madara" translations from page 4 of this forum? Please re-read what I wrote if anyone knows some japanese, since I do not and used alot of google searches.

My guess, the term is related to someone's powers, abilities, summon or other form, simliar to that of alot of characters on this show.

So... read what I wrote and help translate the word "madara" then apply this translation to known characters and akatsuki information.

My guess is that itatch stopped something evil, though he did it in a crazy fassion... then since he was evil himself left... for other ambitions, leaving his brother alive (a dark hero)... who knows maybe he stopped the uchiha from doing something stupid... what is this stupid thing?

sometimes i think it is simliar to what the akatsuki did with gaara... maybe he learned something from his own clans true intentions?

Yoshitsune
June 02, 2006, 01:54 PM
My guess, the term is related to someone's powers, abilities, summon or other form, simliar to that of alot of characters on this show.

So... read what I wrote and help translate the word "madara" then apply this translation to known characters and akatsuki information.


Well, Madara means spots or speckles, and if you think about it Sasuke was cursed with the seal of Orochimaru leaving these markings on his body. So Madara might have permanent spots/markings instead....

Substance
June 02, 2006, 02:28 PM
WHo here wants to see this in the anime series? or has been waiting for that 3 year time skip in the series mEEEE!!!

Piatch
June 02, 2006, 02:34 PM
what is the next chapter called??

_ATMA
June 02, 2006, 03:18 PM
team 7 goes back and naruto will be completely depressed to try and make naruto chear up sakura is going to try and go out on a date w/ naruto

Snake1786
June 02, 2006, 03:23 PM
I am strained who the hell uchiha madara is i could swear he is the akatsuki-Leader and a badass guy.

Obidan
June 02, 2006, 08:25 PM
I think that the next chapter will be all about how Naruto n Sakura, coldnt bring that sasu back to the village, and they would be all depressed about it, they would admire Sai of course, and Sakura will be healing Yamato's wond.
Maybe it will have a flash back of Naruto and sasu's fight in the first part.
I hate to be that way, but it definitly seems to be a boring chapter and full of misrable talk about sasu.
Maybe it the coming chapters after that one they would move on back to the village and something will happen on the way or so, but I dont see it going anywhere for next week, not even about the Madara Uchiha thingy.
I think if sasu knew something about him, then it would be the next chapter to talk about him "maybe sasu would be chit chatting with oro about it or so.

kunai-knight
June 02, 2006, 11:02 PM
anyone knows what the name of the next chapter will be? sumone sumwhere said prodigy vs perserverance...just wanna confirm if thats true

zaijan_85
June 02, 2006, 11:14 PM
Not really, First off the first could only control the tail beasts through a specialized Crystal he made out of his own chakra, nothing really stops people making their own version of that crystal now, if they have the skill to do it. But Sasuke pushing back the demon fox what was their against Naruto's will, so that means the demon fox was probably espically weakened anyways. And it was only a clone of it's head, probably not the real demon fox as that lays past the seal =P. Sasuke seems to love to attack Naruto whilst he is weakened it seems... oh well =P. But anyways, Sasuke did not CONTROL the demon foxs powers, he supressed them so that Naruto could not draw on them, after all if Naruto did, he'd get very strong and very fast =P. Remember after all 4-tail Naruto beat Orochimaru like he was mearly nothing, no way Sasuke is gunna be strong enough to fight that, since he is limited by Orochimaru's teachings =P.


suppressing the demon foxes power is CONTROLLING IT to some degree! THAT MEANS sasuke's POWER > demon fox's POWER right now! i don't think the demon fox likes being CONRTOLLED at all!
[br]Posted on: June 02, 2006, 09:11:01 PM_________________________________________________

After reading some of the posts, I think it is time for some more clarity.

1. When did the First create the crystal from his chakra? From what I have read, he happened upon the rare crystal (either through travels, etc.) and it luckly resonated with his chakra. From this combination, he was able to utilize this crystal to manipulate his chakra to higher levels - ie. convert his chakra into energies that could control a bijuu which are by the way, massive bodies of chakra with a consciousness. This however does not mean he can actively beckon and control bijuu. From what we have seen so far, his jutsu utilizing the crystal merely suppresses the bijuu chakra. Thus the First could protect Konoha from attack from bijuu by supressing and likely dispersing the bijuu. However, remember that bijuu, even after they are banished away from a site in the current time can return later on. This is why the 4th sealed the Kyuubi into Naruto. Not just to defeat the Kyuubi, but also to keep it from returning to attack Konoha in the future.

2. This leads to the Uchiha. What Sasuke did was supress the Kyuubi's power. While this banishes him in the present, he can still return in the future (ie. he is not dead and the Uchiha do not possess the ability to destroy it - at least from what we have seen so far). Also, Sasuke only suppressed a small amount of the Kyuubi's power. Additionally, Naruto was rejecting that power in the first place. If Naruto took in that power to begin with, I doubt that Sasuke would be able to suppress the combined entity. Also, when it was attacking Konoha in the first place, the Kyuubi was at full strength. While the first had the chakra crystal to suppress the Kyuubi, I highly doubt that any of the Uchiha in the village at the time the Kyuubi attacked Konoha during the reign of the 4th were of sufficient strength to handle the suppression. Also, even if some Uchiha suppressed the Kyuubi, it likely would just disperse and then reform somewhere else and then attack Konoha all over again. Thus, the 4th sealed the Kyuubi.

3. This leads to Naruto. Naruto is the ONLY one who has been able to control the Kyuubi's powers and utilize them for fighting. That is why Yamato, Tsunade, Oro, etc. are all amazed. Naruto is in total control of the Kyuubi's powers before KN1 (and even then he is in majority control). It isn't really until KN3+ that Naruto is not longer in majority control. While Jinchuuriki have the ability to compress and utilize the bijuu's power they carry by resonating with it, almost all cannot utilize their full potential while staying sane and in control. Gaara can't either. However, Naruto has been shown to be the only one who hold the potential to go all the way and either control the Kyuubi in its entirety or absorb the Kyuubi out of existence and then utilize that power upgrade while remaining sane. The second point is the likely goal of the 4th when he sealed the Kyuubi into Naruto with his special seal.

4. This leads to my final point and that is the Bijuu are the ultimate bodies of chakra, but that does not make them all powerful or smart as already seen. Thus Naruto was able to defeat Shikaku at full strength and Oro was able to keep up with KN4 which pretty much is the Kyuubi in control. This is why the story is named Naruto and not Kyuubi. Kyuubi is pretty much worthless without Naruto, but the same does not apply in the opposite. Naruto without the Kyuubi had the potential to be where Sasuke is now (minus the Mr. Evil act). In a way, Naruto starts out pathetic mostly due to the Kyuubi as well. While it has the potential to help him, Kyuubi is a demon and thus it is a curse that Naruto needs to overcome each step of the way.


"Naruto is the ONLY one who has been able to control the Kyuubi's powers and utilize them for fighting"
i dont agree, if he can control the kyuubi's power why was yamato selected in team7? why was ero-senin telling being so careful of naruto releasing the fourth tail and nearly getting killed?

ymcauloser
June 02, 2006, 11:53 PM
Naruto might talk to the fox since he acually knows wats going on or someone else to see wats goin on right now

Yoshitsune
June 03, 2006, 12:07 AM
I want them to go back to Konoha and just chill for a bit instead of that long mission they were on, maybe show the other ninjas too :)

panzerzanaku
June 03, 2006, 12:18 AM
yes i agree show the other ninjas including the ataksuki members

rocker2
June 03, 2006, 12:23 AM
In reply to zaijan_85

Suppressing power and being able to control it are, in my mind, separate things. I consider control of power as the ability to not only determine level of power, but also to manipulate it to different forms as well. Sasuke may be able to suppress the fox's leaking chakra, but that does not mean he can suppress the whole of Kyuubi's chakra. Keep in mind Sasuke is getting a big helping hand from Naruto on this due to Naruto also willing the Kyuubi away. Kyuubi in full form would probably defeat Sasuke with little effort. However, it is true the Kyuubi hates his imprisonment and thus Sasuke's suppresion definitely struck a cord with it.

Naruto is the only one who can control - ie. manipulate and utilize Kyuubi chakra at various levels - the Kyuubi's powers - he does not have full control over the powers, but he does have all elements required for his ability to be defined as control. Now, the Kyuubi takes control of Naruto when too much of the Kyuubi chakra gets out, but that does not mean Naruto was unable to utilize the chakra to begin with. If Sasuke, Sakura, Yamato, Sai or anyone else tried to leech and utilize the Kyuubi chakra, they would be poisoned and in the worst case die. Yamato was placed on the team to ensure that the Kyuubi's powers did not get out of Naruto's control. Yamato also does what Sasuke does: suppress the Kyuubi's chakra - however, he can suppress the full form which is something that Sasuke still has not been shown to be able to do (and unlikely can).

THETRUTH.com
June 03, 2006, 03:01 AM
I concur Rocker2 good post!!

Sephy7KillerMech
June 03, 2006, 03:05 AM
couldn't have put it better myself. As for Madara, if it means spots or speckles don't you think the Sharingan looks like the pupil mutated and there are 3 more pupils or spots around the main one(sharingan=speckles). Madara could have been the one that founded the Uchiha clan by performing forbidden jutsu to increase the power of the Byakugan. this probably has heavy consequences for the Uchiha clan, that would lead Kyuubi to say the uchiha blood is more tainted than his, whatever madara did to create the sharingan could have been so damn evil that it was worse than a demon. *shrug* that's my prediction for madara.

Satis
June 03, 2006, 05:34 AM
Who else thinks that Naruto is getting owned so far. I was more impressed with the granny from Sand. Perhaps we can see some exams to see some actual development of ability or skills.

Iggy
June 03, 2006, 05:42 AM
My guess is that Uchiha Madara is the first/original Uchiha. He might have made a deal with kyuubi in order to steal Byakuugan from Hyuuga. Whatever (terrible, evil, etc.) thing happend it probably changed the Byakuugan from its original form into the Sharingan. (It's stated earlier in the manga that sharingan probably originated from byakuugan, I think by Kakakshi during the chuunin exam.) So basically, whatever bad thing Madara did to steal byakuugan resulted in the Uchiha/Sharingan being cursed.

As for the Sasuke thing... I predict its over for now. It will probably be one of the very last arcs to be resolved. I think the next arc will probably deal with some of the other teams but mostly about Naruto getting serious. He's still too much of a kid to face some of things he will have to soon. Hopefully he gets shoved into some serious responsibility such as having to lead a team (even if only because there is no one else) and growing as fighter and a character.

King
June 03, 2006, 06:05 AM
well one aspect of the curse seems pretty obvious already. power at the cost of physical health; mangekyou sharingan deteriorates itachi's physical eyesight. I predict that will be expanded upon in the future. [br]Posted on: June 03, 2006, 03:48:52 AM_________________________________________________hmmm while I like the suspense with the uchiha mystery, the turn of events has left the naruto development plot disappointingly bare. naruto's goal was to become hokage and then to rescue sasuke, but now both seem to be delayed now; this chapter has created a vacuum of possibilities. What will team 7 do now? they lack the clues to sasuke and orochimaru now (from the akatsuki spy mission) and why would they fight more akatsuki? their only reason of doing so was to find out information about sasuke, and now that's done and over with .... I think the only times we'll see akatsuki fights are when the akatsuki find naruto and co. So, what will team 7 do now? there will have to be some impetus to drive things along but I think things will be made more clear when we see fully Naruto's reaction to Sasuke's disappearance articulated in words rather than the popular "...".

Obidan
June 03, 2006, 06:10 AM
Well, a small assumption is that since the Sharingan is Descendant from the Byakugan, then it might be that the transformation or the way the sharingan was originated is a cursed way. For example with a sacrifise of a number of Byakugan users.....etc.
And the one who made that cursed thingy to achieve the Sharingan was Madara!!!!! and thats where the curse comes from, but why would sasu be more cursy than madara, I have no idea :D
Maybe!!!

kunai-knight
June 03, 2006, 06:53 AM
or he probably made a deal with the devil which would explain why the sharingan looks like 3 sixes... :-0 or he cud have just been one bad ass uchiha like itachi is, just worst or sumthin

SO no one knows for sure what the next chapter'd be called? Or if the arc is really over for good?

C4animax
June 03, 2006, 06:58 PM
well one aspect of the curse seems pretty obvious already. power at the cost of physical health; mangekyou sharingan deteriorates itachi's physical eyesight. I predict that will be expanded upon in the future. [br]Posted on: June 03, 2006, 03:48:52 AM_________________________________________________hmmm while I like the suspense with the uchiha mystery, the turn of events has left the naruto development plot disappointingly bare. naruto's goal was to become hokage and then to rescue sasuke, but now both seem to be delayed now; this chapter has created a vacuum of possibilities. What will team 7 do now? they lack the clues to sasuke and orochimaru now (from the akatsuki spy mission) and why would they fight more akatsuki? their only reason of doing so was to find out information about sasuke, and now that's done and over with .... I think the only times we'll see akatsuki fights are when the akatsuki find naruto and co. So, what will team 7 do now? there will have to be some impetus to drive things along but I think things will be made more clear when we see fully Naruto's reaction to Sasuke's disappearance articulated in words rather than the popular "...".


Well there isn't much choice here, as someone mentioned earlier there is a rule that when the ennemie "poof" you cannot find them, it seems clear to me that sasuke isn't coming back for now, and naruto can't even do things right since he's weak...So they definitly have to go back to town. From here we can see a few things :

1/Story about the uchiha.
2/Akatsuki stuff. (this should at least concern some biju in danger)
3/chunnin exam.
4/Kishimoto impress us with some new stuff.(snaking mission, something "real ninja" instead of what we are used to see)

I like the iggy's idea of naruto having his team like yondaime for kakashi gaiden...but what konohamaru's team could possibly replace kakashi's team?....And hopefully yamato will put his mask back and stay in the dark until next time tsunade needs him, how ridiculous would it be to have a 5 man team...and since naruto is supposed to stop using kyubi he can go back to his regular job.

zaijan_85
June 04, 2006, 05:10 AM
In reply to zaijan_85

Suppressing power and being able to control it are, in my mind, separate things. I consider control of power as the ability to not only determine level of power, but also to manipulate it to different forms as well. Sasuke may be able to suppress the fox's leaking chakra, but that does not mean he can suppress the whole of Kyuubi's chakra. Keep in mind Sasuke is getting a big helping hand from Naruto on this due to Naruto also willing the Kyuubi away. Kyuubi in full form would probably defeat Sasuke with little effort. However, it is true the Kyuubi hates his imprisonment and thus Sasuke's suppresion definitely struck a cord with it.

Naruto is the only one who can control - ie. manipulate and utilize Kyuubi chakra at various levels - the Kyuubi's powers - he does not have full control over the powers, but he does have all elements required for his ability to be defined as control. Now, the Kyuubi takes control of Naruto when too much of the Kyuubi chakra gets out, but that does not mean Naruto was unable to utilize the chakra to begin with. If Sasuke, Sakura, Yamato, Sai or anyone else tried to leech and utilize the Kyuubi chakra, they would be poisoned and in the worst case die. Yamato was placed on the team to ensure that the Kyuubi's powers did not get out of Naruto's control. Yamato also does what Sasuke does: suppress the Kyuubi's chakra - however, he can suppress the full form which is something that Sasuke still has not been shown to be able to do (and unlikely can).


suppressing is not a separate "things" to control.
suppression is the inhibition of thoughts, feelings, actions etc, controlling your emotions can mean u can suppress your thoughts in difficult times i.e. you were in a car accident but you need to go to work right now

lol, u went against yourself in the first post, u said naruto has control of the kyuubi's power, now u said he doesnt have full control. thankyou. u said it urself.

roer
June 04, 2006, 05:15 AM
i clearly agree!!!!
how can naruto control the kyuubi when yamato and ero were scared shitless about it

i also predict naruto and team will head back to konoha and come up with a plan/strategy to recapture sasuke

Obidan
June 04, 2006, 05:54 AM
Oh please!! Not sasu again, I hope they would be depressed about him this chapter, and then just to jump to another thingy. I keep thinking that the next chapter will be so into their emotions "I think they wont even change their place, and it will be full of chit chatting about sasu".
Naruto has full control of the Kyuubi chakra up to the limit where he loses to his anger, thats where the Kyuubi take that chance, and explode his power from Naruto's body, thats whats happening, it aint a matter of full control or no contol.

THETRUTH.com
June 04, 2006, 09:42 AM
If Naruto couldn't control at all Kyuubi then Kyuubi would always be rampaging.

Obidan
June 04, 2006, 10:24 AM
If Naruto couldn't control at all Kyuubi then Kyuubi would always be rampaging.

I think that aint true buddy, Naruto is totally not in control of Kyuubi, Kyuubi is seal within him, and he cant control him at all. It is like 2 in one, Naruto depends on Kyuubi powers, and use his chakra, and all of what Naruto does is ask Kyuubi for his chakra "thats what happens sometimes" and in other times he pushes Kyuubi to give him chakra "remember his fight with Neiji".
The amount of chakra naruto can extract, reflect his ability to "Control" for example, when he was younger, he was able to show one tail (while he is on control), now he can show 3 and he is still in control, but once the 4th tail appears, he cant control the chakra anymore, and Kyuubi almost cover his senses or whatever!!!!.
Lets not forget that the seal is getting weaker and weaker, and the chakra leak gets more every time, and more than naruto's ability of control.
Just an opinion though!!! :D

glasskatana
June 04, 2006, 11:48 AM
I think that aint true buddy, Naruto is totally not in control of Kyuubi, Kyuubi is seal within him, and he cant control him at all. It is like 2 in one, Naruto depends on Kyuubi powers, and use his chakra, and all of what Naruto does is ask Kyuubi for his chakra "thats what happens sometimes" and in other times he pushes Kyuubi to give him chakra "remember his fight with Neiji".
The amount of chakra naruto can extract, reflect his ability to "Control" for example, when he was younger, he was able to show one tail (while he is on control), now he can show 3 and he is still in control, but once the 4th tail appears, he cant control the chakra anymore, and Kyuubi almost cover his senses or whatever!!!!.
Lets not forget that the seal is getting weaker and weaker, and the chakra leak gets more every time, and more than naruto's ability of control.
Just an opinion though!!! :D

He has to be able to control him a little. The proof is
1.) when he forces the kyuubi chakra out in a stable form
2.) in the latest chapter when he tells him to stop...
well o.k he may not be able to control the KYUUBI but he can certainly control the kyuubi's chakra to an extent.

rocker2
June 04, 2006, 11:57 AM
In reply to zaijan_85 and Obidan

Quite correct on the first point. I should not have said suppression is separate to control or implicated that. I should have said suppression can be defined as a small subset of control. But it cannot be defined as control. For example, you are asked how much money you have. You say 10 dollars. However, in your bank account you really have 100 dollars. While true that you have 10 dollars (so in a way you are not lying), it is not the whole truth as you really have much more. Truth and equivocation are not the same thing - that is why they are separate words. Suppression is part of control, but not the full thing. This is why Yamato and Sasuke cannot be defined as having control of the Kyuubi, but Naruto can. Naruto can actively regulate the amount of Kyuubi chakra he releases and fully utilize it for various jutsu. As already stated by Yamato, he cannot even fathom the second part as having the Kyuubi's chakra flowing in your system is like poison. The fact that Sakura, who is a very high level medical ninja who has already shown her aptitude at self-healing under various maladies, is unable to handle even a little poisoning from the Kyuubi chakra should make this point clear. Naruto has full control of Kyuubi chakra, up to 1 or 2 tails. At the 3rd tail, it is more like partial control. After that, he no longer has control. However he holds the potential to have full control of all of Kyuubi's chakra. There is no mix-up of terms here. Hopefully, this clears things up for you.

In reply to Obidan

That seal is a part of Naruto's power and control. The 4th instituted it, but it was Naruto's burden and possession since then. You can use a plane to travel long distances in a reduced period of time and to fly. If it belongs to you and you can use it anytime, it is part of your power and control over flight, distance and time. I know it is a bad analogy, but all I could think of at the moment. Keep in mind that seal, as Kishi has already made apparent, is a function of Naruto's willpower. When he looses the will to fight or contain the Kyuubi, it can take control of him. However, so long as the willpower is there, he can suppress the Kyuubi's power to various levels in his system.

Vegitto
June 04, 2006, 01:05 PM
My prediction:
A whole chapter of crying:"Boohoo, we're so weak, we can't catch Sasuke.."
Then, in the last page, Kakashi shows up.
Next chapter (311), Kakashi and the gang go after Orochimaru and his gang ;).

glasskatana
June 04, 2006, 05:00 PM
In reply to zaijan_85 and Obidan

Quite correct on the first point. I should not have said suppression is separate to control or implicated that. I should have said suppression can be defined as a small subset of control. But it cannot be defined as control. For example, you are asked how much money you have. You say 10 dollars. However, in your bank account you really have 100 dollars. While true that you have 10 dollars (so in a way you are not lying), it is not the whole truth as you really have much more. Truth and equivocation are not the same thing - that is why they are separate words. Suppression is part of control, but not the full thing. This is why Yamato and Sasuke cannot be defined as having control of the Kyuubi, but Naruto can. Naruto can actively regulate the amount of Kyuubi chakra he releases and fully utilize it for various jutsu. As already stated by Yamato, he cannot even fathom the second part as having the Kyuubi's chakra flowing in your system is like poison. The fact that Sakura, who is a very high level medical ninja who has already shown her aptitude at self-healing under various maladies, is unable to handle even a little poisoning from the Kyuubi chakra should make this point clear. Naruto has full control of Kyuubi chakra, up to 1 or 2 tails. At the 3rd tail, it is more like partial control. After that, he no longer has control. However he holds the potential to have full control of all of Kyuubi's chakra. There is no mix-up of terms here. Hopefully, this clears things up for you.

In reply to Obidan

That seal is a part of Naruto's power and control. The 4th instituted it, but it was Naruto's burden and possession since then. You can use a plane to travel long distances in a reduced period of time and to fly. If it belongs to you and you can use it anytime, it is part of your power and control over flight, distance and time. I know it is a bad analogy, but all I could think of at the moment. Keep in mind that seal, as Kishi has already made apparent, is a function of Naruto's willpower. When he looses the will to fight or contain the Kyuubi, it can take control of him. However, so long as the willpower is there, he can suppress the Kyuubi's power to various levels in his system.

Quoted for amazing amounts of truth. You could also relate it to the sharingan. Truly I've been trying to view the kyuubi as a sort of bloodline. As long as has control over it it's Naruto's power and perfectly fair to use, with no control it's the kyuubi's power and Naruto is no longer fighting.

As for predictions, Yamato talks about how the mission wasn't a complete failure because they gathered information and learned more about Sasuke and Sai. Then the team make their way back to Konoha, maybe some touchy feely lines between Naruto and Sakura. Also some lines from Sai. And that's about it. There's not much else you can do when the enemy uses 'we're leaving now and their's nothing you can do about it no jutsu.' :p

ibra87
June 04, 2006, 05:16 PM
I think Tsunade will tell Naruto to take the chunnin exam because that might help him develop his mind thus improving the chances of getting Sasuke back. But I really can't imagine them actually showing us the exam again:
1st They've already used too many chapters/epiodes on it (more than 50 in anime as far as I remember)

2nd All the other mates of Naruto are already chunnins and jounins. Whom will Naruto fight, Konohamaru?

So I think it's just going to be a faaaaast chunning exam retake.

glasskatana
June 04, 2006, 05:25 PM
I think Tsunade will tell Naruto to take the chunnin exam because that might help him develop his mind thus improving the chances of getting Sasuke back. But I really can't imagine them actually showing us the exam again:
1st They've already used too many chapters/epiodes on it (more than 50 in anime as far as I remember)

2nd All the other mates of Naruto are already chunnins and jounins. Whom will Naruto fight, Konohamaru?

So I think it's just going to be a faaaaast chunning exam retake.

Also I think there was a point to keeping both Naruto and sasuke as gennins. equality and all that.

ibra87
June 04, 2006, 05:30 PM
Also I think there was a point to keeping both Naruto and sasuke as gennins. equality and all that.


Good point. I've actually thought of that before but forgot :O. Thinking about it... when Naruto at last persuade Sasuke into returning to the village he'll say: "Come on Sasuke... let's go retake the Chunning exam" (Smile).

venicia777
June 04, 2006, 06:47 PM
Good point. I've actually thought of that before but forgot :O. Thinking about it... when Naruto at last persuade Sasuke into returning to the village he'll say: "Come on Sasuke... let's go retake the Chunning exam" (Smile).
yeah right :p. that will be a sight. I am really glad sasuke didnt get the naruto magical conversion bug. Now, it is time for naruto to grow up- even sasuke calls him a kid. i really liked this chapter.

so, we get back with naruto and co feeling depressed and having lost sasuke for now ( a pretty darn long time i hope it will be). Little to no fighting in this one.

Snake1786
June 04, 2006, 06:49 PM
i thought sasuke is stronger than Itachi now but he said again that he is weaker i acnt understand that i mean he can see kyuubi and so on on

glasskatana
June 04, 2006, 06:59 PM
sasuke's normal sharingan may be stronger, but he doesn't have the mangekyou. And while Sasuke has mastered many new chidori/katana abilities, who knows how useful they'll be against another sharingan.

DarkManSharingan32
June 04, 2006, 07:10 PM
Good point. I've actually thought of that before but forgot :O. Thinking about it... when Naruto at last persuade Sasuke into returning to the village he'll say: "Come on Sasuke... let's go retake the Chunning exam" (Smile).


ha ha, and when they get to the door... Kakashi will turn them away, saying....
"Sorry, you must have a team of three to participate in the Chuunin exams"

lol

rocker2
June 04, 2006, 07:15 PM
In reply to Snake1786

Being able to see the Kyuubi and suppress an already confined Kyuubi is impressive for someone as young as Sasuke, but is quite useless in battle. The one fighting is Naruto, not the Kyuubi. Sasuke might have minor suppression skills, but the one in control is Naruto. Naruto could always bring out the Kyuubi's power again should that be his will and I doubt that Sasuke could fend off both the Kyuubi and Naruto during the suppression period. Not to mention Sasuke was wide open during that time. Thus Itachi doesn't bother as it is a waste of time.

As for Sasuke's strength - he does not possess the MS. It is plain and simple. The level of the Sharigan basically defines the level of the user. Doesn't matter how many jutsus Sasuke learns and how much strength he can dish out using the CSv2, MS is on a completely higher level. With MS, Itachi is god-like to a plain Sharigan user. This was shown when Kakashi (sans MS) fell to the MS within seconds of seeing it. Also, this means that current Kakashi still is on a higher level than Sasuke. If Sasuke had gained enough strength and level, he too should have had the ability to bring his Sharingan to the MS level. Not to mention that regardless of Sasuke's jutsu speed and strength by using the CSv2, Kakashi's point singularity is near instantaneous and would wipe out Sasuke from existence before he could finish his hand seals.

ibra87
June 04, 2006, 07:22 PM
ha ha, and when they get to the door... Kakashi will turn them away, saying....
"Sorry, you must have a team of three to participate in the Chuunin exams"

lol

Why? Did Konohamaru turn up missing?
Edit: This seems kinda to turn up off-topic :P In order not to here I go:
I am almost sure there will be some cries here and there and "ohh, I failed to save Sasuke, even after training for 2-3 years! I am good for nothing" then kakashi comes and bah you are good enough boy, you just need a bit more training against the sharingan and chidori... and you are now allowed to use "That" jutsu if needed. Pretty much for a chapter when I think about it.

rocker2
June 04, 2006, 07:48 PM
I thought I'd make a point about the weak Naruto most seems to be referring to in these posts. This may or may not be relevant, but is interesting nonetheless. As it stands, Oro has a lot more to gain having Naruto dead than alive, especially with Sasuke killing him. He does not give a darn about anyone else on Team 7, not even Kakashi for that matter. He also could kill anyone of them with little to no effort. What Oro has to gain by killing Naruto:

1. Akatsuki cannot achieve their power goal leaving them weak for the taking
2. If Sasuke kills Naruto, Sasuke gets MS, meaning Oro gets MS
3. No Naruto means hiding from Konoha is a heck of a lot easier as it is only Naruto that has been so stubborn to continue the search (Sakura is determined too, but she can be restrained unlike Naruto)
4. Sasuke's only possible, true lingering bond to Konoha is extinguished meaning he turns into a pure machine of vengence and becomes even easier to control.

What Oro has to gain by keeping Naruto alive:
1. Possibility, even though it may only be 1%, of Naruto and company killing another Akatsuki member
2. Pleasure of seeing Naruto's growth and becoming a bigger threat to him :p

So why doesn't Oro let Sasuke kill Naruto when he has quite a bit more to gain than lose? My opinion is that Oro realizes that the "weak" Naruto is not really weak and is only playing with them at the moment, just as much as Oro was playing with Naruto. Neither have gotten serious yet (it was Kyuubi fighting, not Naruto before) and Oro probably realizes that if they let the fight go on, there is a large chance that Naruto could somehow neutralize at least one of his own team and possibly keep Sasuke from being able to be used as a host in the future. We'll probably see in the manga a lot of superficial concern about how who and who was weak and was unable to stop Sasuke, but there is definitely a lot more at play under the surface. Otherwise, in my opinion, Oro would have definitely allowed Sasuke to land the finishing blow. Somehow, Oro must have realized that Sasuke's move would be useless and that retreat was the best option.

DarkManSharingan32
June 04, 2006, 07:50 PM
In reply to Snake1786

Being able to see the Kyuubi and suppress an already confined Kyuubi is impressive for someone as young as Sasuke, but is quite useless in battle. The one fighting is Naruto, not the Kyuubi. Sasuke might have minor suppression skills, but the one in control is Naruto. Naruto could always bring out the Kyuubi's power again should that be his will and I doubt that Sasuke could fend off both the Kyuubi and Naruto during the suppression period. Not to mention Sasuke was wide open during that time. Thus Itachi doesn't bother as it is a waste of time.

As for Sasuke's strength - he does not possess the MS. It is plain and simple. The level of the Sharigan basically defines the level of the user. Doesn't matter how many jutsus Sasuke learns and how much strength he can dish out using the CSv2, MS is on a completely higher level. With MS, Itachi is god-like to a plain Sharigan user. This was shown when Kakashi (sans MS) fell to the MS within seconds of seeing it. Also, this means that current Kakashi still is on a higher level than Sasuke. If Sasuke had gained enough strength and level, he too should have had the ability to bring his Sharingan to the MS level. Not to mention that regardless of Sasuke's jutsu speed and strength by using the CSv2, Kakashi's point singularity is near instantaneous and would wipe out Sasuke from existence before he could finish his hand seals.


While you have a valid point, I wouldnt go that far.
Kakashi, although a master of the sharingan, tires easily, and only has one eye to work with. Until we actually see a true Uchiha Sharingan vs. Sharingan battle we can't really base our assuption on a non-Uchiha can we? I would even venture to say that Sasuke would be able to handle the MS far better than Kakashi could at this point. And a point about the Mangekyou, i don't think it has to do with strength and level... but rather a mindset that is achieved, and that brings about a change in the Sharingan. The first few levels of the sharingan were based on a deep need to surpass their current sight... but the Mangekyou is different. The mangekyou that Itachi speaks of is bourne form the fervent need to kill, almost on alevel of insanity. Think about it... Kill Your Best Friend, one must be quite unstable to do something this drastic. (I believe Kakashi developed the Anti-Mange, one born form the power to protect, rather than kill....)

Anyways, in a Sasuke vs. Kakashi battle... At Kakashi's current level, Sasuke's speed would greatly hinder his ability to concentrate, aim, and effectively kill Sasuke. I mean, he literally struggled to hit Diedara...who was merely running away in a straight line. And add to this... that Kakashi MUST kill, and not injure Sasuke with that attack... because Kakashi will have completely drained himself.

But then again... Kakashi would NEVER use that jutsu against Sasuke. "Chidori isnt not meant for friends"... I think it would be quite hypocritical, and anti-Kakashi to do something like that...
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Why? Did Konohamaru turn up missing?
Edit: This seems kinda to turn up off-topic :P In order not to here I go:
I am almost sure there will be some cries here and there and "ohh, I failed to save Sasuke, even after training for 2-3 years! I am good for nothing" then kakashi comes and bah you are good enough boy, you just need a bit more training against the sharingan and chidori... and you are now allowed to use "That" jutsu if needed. Pretty much for a chapter when I think about it.



Pshh, I seem to remember that Konohamaru has his own team to deal with...
I'm sure he Moegi and Udon, if ANYTHING... will be taking the Chuunin exam along side them, or have passed them already...

THETRUTH.com
June 04, 2006, 07:51 PM
I think that aint true buddy, Naruto is totally not in control of Kyuubi, Kyuubi is seal within him, and he cant control him at all. It is like 2 in one, Naruto depends on Kyuubi powers, and use his chakra, and all of what Naruto does is ask Kyuubi for his chakra "thats what happens sometimes" and in other times he pushes Kyuubi to give him chakra "remember his fight with Neiji".
The amount of chakra naruto can extract, reflect his ability to "Control" for example, when he was younger, he was able to show one tail (while he is on control), now he can show 3 and he is still in control, but once the 4th tail appears, he cant control the chakra anymore, and Kyuubi almost cover his senses or whatever!!!!.
Lets not forget that the seal is getting weaker and weaker, and the chakra leak gets more every time, and more than naruto's ability of control.
Just an opinion though!!! :D

I think that aint true buddy, first you said he is not in control of Kyuubi then explain how he does have some control.

The choice to use the chakra or not to alone indicates a level of control. :)

glasskatana
June 04, 2006, 07:56 PM
you know what team Yamato/kakashi would do if they were smart. For the next chapter(s) they should check out Oro's lair and gather as much info as possible. Also... I think Orochimaru and Kabuto left without picking up the ANBU files. I've always wondered why Naruto isn't constantly sparring against Kakashi. Considering
1.) He's trying to 'save' his best friend by force, and that friend is a sharingan user.
2.) Itachi is trying to capture him and he too is a sharingan user.

In fact, it would be really beneficial to Naruto if he took lessons from gai sensei since high speed taijutsu is effective against the sharingan and since gai could teach him how to fight against a sharingan user. and for Naruto to spar with Kakashi whenever possible. ::nods::

DarkManSharingan32
June 04, 2006, 08:03 PM
I thought I'd make a point about the weak Naruto most seems to be referring to in these posts. This may or may not be relevant, but is interesting nonetheless. As it stands, Oro has a lot more to gain having Naruto dead than alive, especially with Sasuke killing him. He does not give a darn about anyone else on Team 7, not even Kakashi for that matter. He also could kill anyone of them with little to no effort. What Oro has to gain by killing Naruto:

1. Akatsuki cannot achieve their power goal leaving them weak for the taking
2. If Sasuke kills Naruto, Sasuke gets MS, meaning Oro gets MS
3. No Naruto means hiding from Konoha is a heck of a lot easier as it is only Naruto that has been so stubborn to continue the search (Sakura is determined too, but she can be restrained unlike Naruto)
4. Sasuke's only possible, true lingering bond to Konoha is extinguished meaning he turns into a pure machine of vengence and becomes even easier to control.

What Oro has to gain by keeping Naruto alive:
1. Possibility, even though it may only be 1%, of Naruto and company killing another Akatsuki member
2. Pleasure of seeing Naruto's growth and becoming a bigger threat to him :p

So why doesn't Oro let Sasuke kill Naruto when he has quite a bit more to gain than lose? My opinion is that Oro realizes that the "weak" Naruto is not really weak and is only playing with them at the moment, just as much as Oro was playing with Naruto. Neither have gotten serious yet (it was Kyuubi fighting, not Naruto before) and Oro probably realizes that if they let the fight go on, there is a large chance that Naruto could somehow neutralize at least one of his own team and possibly keep Sasuke from being able to be used as a host in the future. We'll probably see in the manga a lot of superficial concern about how who and who was weak and was unable to stop Sasuke, but there is definitely a lot more at play under the surface. Otherwise, in my opinion, Oro would have definitely allowed Sasuke to land the finishing blow. Somehow, Oro must have realized that Sasuke's move would be useless and that retreat was the best option.


Umm... I believe that Orochimaru is trying to keep the THREE people in his camp as far away from trouble as possible. The more people Naruto + Co take out, the less people Orochimaru has to fight... Which means that there are less people who can possibly injure Sasuke.

Anyways, thats just a slight spin on what you're saying. Anyways, youre right... i feel like Orochimaru is hiding something, since he is the only character in the series that knows what both Sasuke and Naruto look like in full form...

It could be just as likely.. that Orochimaru fully knows the conequences that Kyuubi spoke of when he said... "Don't kill Naruto... you will regret it".
If the Kyuubi is the key to Uchiha powers... and he kills Naruto, he wont obtain the Mange. He will effectly destroy the Uchiha bloodline, and the Sharingan along with it.
That much i am just speculating... but i felt the need to do that..lol

glasskatana
June 04, 2006, 08:10 PM
It's strange because way back when during the sannin fight Orochimaru seemed very determined to kill Naruto. But this is getting off-topic. I'll make a thread about it.

rocker2
June 04, 2006, 08:14 PM
In reply to DarkManSharingan32

Interesting points. However, you are missing some important ones. One, Kakashi has already gone up against the MS of Itachi, survived and outwitted him, partially due to the increased ability indicated by his own MS (Itachi was truely surprised when he realized that Kakashi had it and now held the ability to resist him). While true that the one fighting was a body clone, it was Itachi controlling it and it was capable of all the jutsus Itachi was capable of. Now some were limited due to the fact that it only had 30% of Itachi's chakra, but the effectiveness of the MS was no less than if Itachi himself had done it. If it had been Sasuke, undoubtly, he would have fallen once the MS was used, maybe even before.

The second point is that Sasuke may be fast, but Kakashi is just as fast, if not faster. While true that Kakashi needs to be able to aim well and that fast moving targets are harder to target, he could compensate using other jutsus first to restrict Sasuke's movement. Remember that the master of jutsus is still Kakashi at the moment, unless Kishi lets us know otherwise. Kakashi has an array of at least 1000 jutsus at his disposal plus the power upgrade that the MS suggests. While he may not have the level of stamina that Sasuke has (defintely not even close to Naruto), he just needs to trap Sasuke, which with a combination of several of those 1000+ jutsus, I'm sure he can. He is the best strategist shown so far outside of the Sannin and Naruto. His strategy is still easily far greater than Sasuke. Sasuke is too confident in his abilities now and strikes too often with the first move - too easily predicted.

Finally, Kakashi may not kill friends, but he is wise enough to know when someone is too far gone or not worth saving. His link with Sasuke is no where near as strong as Naruto's, so it would be likely that he would be like Jiraiya in saying that Sasuke is too far gone and should be eliminated. Thus, I can see Kakashi using the MS on Sasuke, not only to neutralize a threat, but also to release a former student of his from his burdens of revenge and hate.

glasskatana
June 04, 2006, 08:19 PM
In reply to DarkManSharingan32

Interesting points. However, you are missing some important ones. One, Kakashi has already gone up against the MS of Itachi, survived and outwitted him, partially due to the increased ability indicated by his own MS (Itachi was truely surprised when he realized that Kakashi had it and now held the ability to resist him). While true that the one fighting was a body clone, it was Itachi controlling it and it was capable of all the jutsus Itachi was capable of. Now some were limited due to the fact that it only had 30% of Itachi's chakra, but the effectiveness of the MS was no less than if Itachi himself had done it. If it had been Sasuke, undoubtly, he would have fallen once the MS was used, maybe even before.

The second point is that Sasuke may be fast, but Kakashi is just as fast, if not faster. While true that Kakashi needs to be able to aim well and that fast moving targets are harder to target, he could compensate using other jutsus first to restrict Sasuke's movement. Remember that the master of jutsus is still Kakashi at the moment, unless Kishi lets us know otherwise. Kakashi has an array of at least 1000 jutsus at his disposal plus the power upgrade that the MS suggests. While he may not have the level of stamina that Sasuke has (defintely not even close to Naruto), he just needs to trap Sasuke, which with a combination of several of those 1000+ jutsus, I'm sure he can. He is the best strategist shown so far outside of the Sannin and Naruto. His strategy is still easily far greater than Sasuke. Sasuke is too confident in his abilities now and strikes too often with the first move - too easily predicted.

Finally, Kakashi may not kill friends, but he is wise enough to know when someone is too far gone or not worth saving. His link with Sasuke is no where near as strong as Naruto's, so it would be likely that he would be like Jiraiya in saying that Sasuke is too far gone and should be eliminated. Thus, I can see Kakashi using the MS on Sasuke, not only to neutralize a threat, but also to release a former student of his from his burdens of revenge and hate.

This is way too off-topic but are you suggesting that the mange was used by that body clone during the save gaara arc. Because it wasn't. In fact Itachi specifically stated that that body was incapable of using the mangekyou.

DarkManSharingan32
June 04, 2006, 08:30 PM
In reply to DarkManSharingan32

Interesting points. However, you are missing some important ones. One, Kakashi has already gone up against the MS of Itachi, survived and outwitted him, partially due to the increased ability indicated by his own MS (Itachi was truely surprised when he realized that Kakashi had it and now held the ability to resist him). While true that the one fighting was a body clone, it was Itachi controlling it and it was capable of all the jutsus Itachi was capable of. Now some were limited due to the fact that it only had 30% of Itachi's chakra, but the effectiveness of the MS was no less than if Itachi himself had done it. If it had been Sasuke, undoubtly, he would have fallen once the MS was used, maybe even before.

The second point is that Sasuke may be fast, but Kakashi is just as fast, if not faster. While true that Kakashi needs to be able to aim well and that fast moving targets are harder to target, he could compensate using other jutsus first to restrict Sasuke's movement. Remember that the master of jutsus is still Kakashi at the moment, unless Kishi lets us know otherwise. Kakashi has an array of at least 1000 jutsus at his disposal plus the power upgrade that the MS suggests. While he may not have the level of stamina that Sasuke has (defintely not even close to Naruto), he just needs to trap Sasuke, which with a combination of several of those 1000+ jutsus, I'm sure he can. He is the best strategist shown so far outside of the Sannin and Naruto. His strategy is still easily far greater than Sasuke. Sasuke is too confident in his abilities now and strikes too often with the first move - too easily predicted.

Finally, Kakashi may not kill friends, but he is wise enough to know when someone is too far gone or not worth saving. His link with Sasuke is no where near as strong as Naruto's, so it would be likely that he would be like Jiraiya in saying that Sasuke is too far gone and should be eliminated. Thus, I can see Kakashi using the MS on Sasuke, not only to neutralize a threat, but also to release a former student of his from his burdens of revenge and hate.


Yeah... Glasskatana is right. Those clones cannot use the Mangekyou, they were merely body doubles at 30% who could use limited jutsu. That places Itachi in such a small box that it's hard to even classify that clone as one of Itachi.... It could easily be some other Jounin Uchiha... *shrugs*

And, about Kakashi...
He has always shown favor to Sasuke slightly over Naruto. The bond between Kakashi and Sasuke is quite evident... Not too long ago, Sasuke asked where Kakashi was. And something in his eyes told me he wasnt ready to meet him yet. Anyways, say Tobi = Obito... What would Kakashi do? Would he write him off completely... or make one last chance to reach him? I believe he would do that latter... After it all, Sasuke is his closest and <b>only</b> training- subordinate... and i think Kakashi doesnt want to lose another person close to him... which could be the fuel he needed to advance his Mange...

katar
June 05, 2006, 12:07 AM
Yeah... Glasskatana is right. Those clones cannot use the Mangekyou, they were merely body doubles at 30% who could use limited jutsu. That places Itachi in such a small box that it's hard to even classify that clone as one of Itachi.... It could easily be some other Jounin Uchiha... *shrugs*

When I think about it. The mangyekou can't attack four person at the same time. They were Chiyo,Sakura,Kakashi and Naruto.

I predict that the next team is : Naruto,Kakashi,Sakura and Jiraya

donkeyhigh
June 05, 2006, 01:06 AM
I just can't think of ANYTHING that could top the previous chapter! :) 309 was the best chapter so far! :D

glasskatana
June 05, 2006, 02:29 AM
hmmmm. What do you all make of next chapter's supposed title. that being... title. :oh Perhaps a little speech from Naruto about how the title of Hokage means nothing if he doesn't have his friends. Wow, that could either be a great chapter if it dives into the team member's psyche, or a completely worthless one.

_ATMA
June 05, 2006, 02:47 AM
Anyways, in a Sasuke vs. Kakashi battle... At Kakashi's current level, Sasuke's speed would greatly hinder his ability to concentrate, aim, and effectively kill Sasuke. I mean, he literally struggled to hit Diedara...who was merely running away in a straight line. And add to this... that Kakashi MUST kill, and not injure Sasuke with that attack... because Kakashi will have completely drained himself.


yea but he was flying that changes things a little

Seung
June 05, 2006, 03:23 AM
despite all these predictions; with the way the story is going, I think the ending is going to be pretty soon. I'm guessing the Akatsuki will be the last "bosses" to be dealt with, maybe along with a "greater power" of course. I'm gonna guess that the story will fool around with the reader for a bit and have the same cliche japanese anime conclusion to a series. You need friends to defeat all obstacles. Naruto may get stronger, sasuke may get stronger, and beat orochimaru and finally defeat Itachi together. Possibly become hokage together? And that kind of conclusion to the series doesn't seem to far off from where we are at already.

Obidan
June 05, 2006, 06:44 AM
He has to be able to control him a little. The proof is
1.) when he forces the kyuubi chakra out in a stable form
2.) in the latest chapter when he tells him to stop...
well o.k he may not be able to control the KYUUBI but he can certainly control the kyuubi's chakra to an extent.


Thats 100%, and thats what I meant Naruto is not able to control the Kyuubi yet, but he is able to utilise his chakra. "thats what I believe"



I think that aint true buddy, first you said he is not in control of Kyuubi then explain how he does have some control.

The choice to use the chakra or not to alone indicates a level of control. :)


When I talked earlier I meant the chakra and I dont know if I said that ir no, but sorry if I didnt ;) anyway, I think if Naruto was able to control the Kyuubi he would be able to summon him for example like Gaara did to Shukaku. While when we see naruto in control, they almost always refer to it as "Lend me your powers" so, it is kind of contract between both, like I will let you live in my body and I will use your powers lol "thats of course not true, but Naruto is definitly able to extract Kyuubi's powers, and control the huge Chakra amount at his will. And as I said before, he can control up to the chakra of 3 tails, and up to now the Kyuubi take over him "and weaken the seal" when the fourth tail appears.
"didnt it seem a bit nasty that naruto's body goes under damage and his life span gets less when the fourth tail appear ???? I mean it is like putting ends to Naruto-Kyuubi Powers :("



In fact, it would be really beneficial to Naruto if he took lessons from gai sensei since high speed taijutsu is effective against the sharingan and since gai could teach him how to fight against a sharingan user. and for Naruto to spar with Kakashi whenever possible. ::nods::


Thanks buddy, I was about to say that, but nice statment, and I believe in order to make Naruto stronger, he should realise this in the next few chapters, and train with Gai, he should definitly do that, to match the power "Taijutsu", to match the speed, and to be able to find the sharingan :D.



And, about Kakashi...
He has always shown favor to Sasuke slightly over Naruto.


"Slightly Man", common, please say unlemitedly, I used to love that Kakashi, yet imagine how did things go, Naruto went to him to train him, yet he told him "I am busy now!!!!!!" what kinda of teacher is that, after that, he was training sasu secretly, "what kind of teacher is that" I dont wana say I hate Kakashi, but I stopped liking him after these few incidents, he even keeps saying sasu is like me, and so and so "everyone says something like that in naruto of course". Also Jiraya didnt want to train Naruto at the begining, and Naruto ran after him 24/7 to train him, then they found similarities. I think that Kakashi was little mean to Naruto "maybe at that time".

About the coming chapter, I hope that it will be the chunnin exam :D, I cant wait to see Konohamaru, lo0ol, naybe he will perform "Sexy No Jutsu" :D.

ikuroi
June 05, 2006, 07:23 AM
My guess is that, either Sai or Yamoto will tell Sakura and Naruto how they must stop Sasuke before its to late. For the greater good, for Konohas sake.

Obidan
June 05, 2006, 08:20 AM
There is still a half year left, I assume they would stop him before the time (Although I want oro to take over his body and let us get rid of him). I wonder how and when, but somehow it seems risky to follow them right now as The are all in a bad case (Naruto after oro fight, Yamato after sasu's stab "and I wont be shocked if sakura told Yamato, oh, thats a deep wond, and you gona suffer all of your life coz sasu-kun injured bla bla bla!!!").
So apparently they would go to Konoha, and they will plan something.
Somehow Tsunade will have a word, since Oro taking over sasu is a big deal for Konoha, as he wants to invade the country again and destroy it, and his success chances will increase after he gets the sharingan. So, Konoha it is, and then back to sasu again (maybe after the Chunnin Exam!!)

_ATMA
June 05, 2006, 08:21 AM
---OFF TOPIC ---



despite all these predictions; with the way the story is going, I think the ending is going to be pretty soon. I'm guessing the Akatsuki will be the last "bosses" to be dealt with, maybe along with a "greater power" of course. I'm gonna guess that the story will fool around with the reader for a bit and have the same cliche japanese anime conclusion to a series. You need friends to defeat all obstacles. Naruto may get stronger, sasuke may get stronger, and beat orochimaru and finally defeat Itachi together. Possibly become hokage together? And that kind of conclusion to the series doesn't seem to far off from where we are at already.


i seriously dobt it kishi tends to stay away from the mainstream if u havnt noticed -.- + he was a fan of DBZ... look how long that draged its self out -.- in my opion were going to see a repeat of the past type of thing naruto will never save sasuke, sasu gets taken over by oro but in the end sasu's mind is the more dominate one putting oro in the sub conious, he never returns to konoaha, later we see an older naruto alot like the 4th now fully grown and the hokage bent over his desk trying to skip doing work sulking over his ability to never bring back his best friend it will probably be draged out good 200 more chapters probably >.> lol

rocker2
June 05, 2006, 09:54 AM
In reply to Glasskatana

Itachi, through his body double, stated that he could not use the MS. However, as he was in a tight spot in the end, he had his body double focus all its remaining chakra towards the MS and did use it. Look at the manga carefully and you will realize it was utilized and Kakashi escaped it and outwitted Itachi on that one. Kakashi may be far from Itachi at full strength, but he can at least put up resistance to Itachi's MS, unlike Sasuke. Thus, it is highly likely we will be seeing in coming up chapters once we return to Sasuke's training and battles, how he is creating countermeasures to the MS or how he plans to obtain it. We may also see Kakashi and Sasuke battle (we can hope) which will show how much Sasuke still needs to learn and how much he lost by leaving Konoha to join Oro.

In reply to Obidan

The debate of Naruto's control of Kyuubi power has been interesting. We will definitely be seeing more of how much he can control the power in the chapters ahead. Keep in mind that the Kyuubi is merely a consciousness placed within a large body of chakra - this body of chakra called the Kyuubi's takes a fox form, but it has no true physical mass. This was explained at the beginning of the manga. Thus any utilization of Kyuubi chakra is essentially control of the Kyuubi. You are correct in stating that Naruto does not have full control over all of Kyuubi as he cannot utilize all of the Kyuubi's chakra. This is just like how Sasuke has full control of the normal Sharigan, but does not have full control of the full power of the Sharingan as he does not possess the MS. This keeps them equals.

As for Gaara, he has little to no control over Shukaku at all unlike Naruto. First, he cannot sleep or else Shukaku take full control and will eat Gaara from the inside (mental state) out. Just like how Naruto can release the Kyuubi's power depending on his emotional state, Gaara can release the Shukaku depending on his state of awakeness. However, Gaara cannot command or converse with the Shukaku to gain and utilize its power in a stable form. When Gaara gets Shukaku's powers, they are totally unstable just like him when he is using them. The one advantage Gaara gets from the Shukaku is the ability to use sand though even he does not have conscious control over it in many cases (during defense, for example, the shield of sand protects Gaara due to Shukaku's will, not Gaara's) However, the ability to use sand jutsu is unique and with Gaara resonating with his bijuu naturally, just like Naruto, he can fight very well and is a deadly opponent.

Obidan
June 05, 2006, 12:26 PM
Thanks, I think you are rite :D
I dont want to start another topic in another topic, but I really think that Naruto and Gaara should be closer than that, not Naruto & Sasuke, as N & S are similar, while sasu, is just an ass.
Hope to see Gaara in the new chapters, at least a small scene to see if he truely lost Shukaku, or or or !!!! We never know until we see him again.
It would be intresting if The Chunnin exam takes place, and Gaara attend as the Kazekage "Hope he is still the Kazekage even if he lost Shukaku".
I think the coming chapters will be more and more exciting :D

kunai-knight
June 05, 2006, 02:46 PM
He would more than likely still be kazekage since the elders wanted to outs him becuz of the shukaku. ah well. chuunin exam would be great if

1. Sasuke attended just like how oro attended last time <that wud be great>
2. A jinchuuckri shows up
3. Another Haku turns up <as in a kid with massive amount of skills>
4. If Naruto beats gaara's record through the forest of death :D

glasskatana
June 05, 2006, 03:17 PM
In reply to Glasskatana
Itachi, through his body double, stated that he could not use the MS. However, as he was in a tight spot in the end, he had his body double focus all its remaining chakra towards the MS and did use it. Look at the manga carefully and you will realize it was utilized and Kakashi escaped it and outwitted Itachi on that one.
I just reread the chapter. No way did he use the mangekyou. He used the sharingan to activate a genjutsu but not the mangekyou. He only had 30%. If he used the mangekyou that body would just collapse. If you use all your chakra you can die remember. And he specifically said he couldn't use the mangekyou.

DarkManSharingan32
June 05, 2006, 03:45 PM
He would more than likely still be kazekage since the elders wanted to outs him becuz of the shukaku. ah well. chuunin exam would be great if

1. Sasuke attended just like how oro attended last time <that wud be great>
2. A jinchuuckri shows up
3. Another Haku turns up <as in a kid with massive amount of skills>
4. If Naruto beats gaara's record through the forest of death :D


Why do people want a Chuunin Exam so badly?
Think about it long enough... and what people want is an exact clone of the previous Chuunin Exam.
Showcase of skills, new characters, and a grand interruption...(i.e. Akatsuki or somethin)
Guys, Naruto doesn't even have a team... so until that fact is resolved I won't even discuss it.
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But what i will remind people... is that the Root group is the #1 factor right now. They wished to take Tsunade from power, and TOTALLY CHANGE THE FACE of Konoha. Part of Sai's mission was to enlist the help of Orochimaru in that reguard... SO, i believe this is the next logical step to take for Kishimoto.
Shit... with most Good ninjas out on missions, Root could be staging a takeover while Yamato+Co. were absent....

That would make for a volatile homecoming... but one that a fully rested Naruto, Sakura, Yamato, and the newborn Sai would be ready to handle following the Sasuke ordeal. Who knows... In an arc like this, Naruto would do all he could, and be an instrumental figure in restoring Konoha, and finally get those nay-sayers to back he and Tsunade up....

Hyuuga Hinata
June 05, 2006, 04:09 PM
For the next arc, I think they will do training along with some of the Akatsuki tidbits and possibly a little bit about the organization Sai was working for. I think they have something still planned and I think that arc will be resolved just as they are about to try and stop Sasuke from merging with Orochimaru. Then I think the Akatsuki be close if not on the move to finish collecting all of the tailed demons.

After reading some of the posts, I have my own thoughts as to how possibly everything will end.

I'm thinking that they will be trying to take down the Akatsuki but at the same time Sasuke/Orochimaru (yes they merge) will go after Itachi at the same time Naruto and the others will. They will be trying to save either the last person that has the last tail demon inside them or they are going to rescue Naruto himself. Orochimaru/Sasuke will see this as the opprotune time to strike the Akatsuki. I'm not sure if Naruto will have the Kuuybi taken out of him or not but I think there will be a possiblity. Now with the individual characters.

First with Sasuke. I have a feeling that Naruto or someone close to him (maybe Kakashi) is going to finish Itachi off before Sasuke. Sasuke, who I think by this time will have merged with Orochimaru, will be furious with Naruto that he wasn't the one to finish him off and will try to kill him. Not sure as to how but during that final battle between Sasuke and Naruto, I think Naruto will somehow awaken Sasuke but I think that when Sasuke tries to oust Orochimaru from his body Sasuke will die possibly in the process.

With Sakura, I think that she is going to learn the lifeforce transfering techinque that she learned from the old Sand lady (I forgot her name). I'm thinking that during the final battle with Naruto and Sasuke she is going to use that techinque to resurrect Naruto when Sasuke kills him. She will love the two of them so much that she sacrifices herself to make sure Naruto brings Sasuke back. I think that Sasuke's MS will awaken when Naruto is killed.

As for Naruto, I have a few thoughts but some are crazy. I think that Naruto will finish of Itachi when Naruto is let loose after being saved from the Akatsuki (if he has the Kyuubi still, he will go out of control when he finishes Itachi off). As I said in Sakura's, he will die during the middle of the battle and she will heal him taking her own life. I think in the end, Naruto will be the only one of Team 7 left alive (I have a feeling Kakashi will die in battle somewhere). I also think that he will give up his dream about being Hokage and realize that there is more to it than just getting yourself recoginzed by people.

Yeah....I know that is a really dark ending but it's what I think might happen or some elements of it. Yeah nuff of my babbling. :kkbook

Obidan
June 05, 2006, 04:34 PM
Wow, :D
You gave it alot of thought, but it could happen, who knows ;)
Honestly, I want sasu to die, Sakura to remain alive, and Naruto to Love Hinata, and Sakura would Love Naruto, but there wont be a chance for her :p
lol, well, The story of why we need the chuunin exam, I believe that Naruto cant jump to Hokage from Genin, so he has to take that step :), and who said that the Chunnin exam needs to be taken by teams not individuals ???? As a matter of fact it changes every year, there aint no fixed rule or fixed exam, and rules can be changed, and Tsunade is the Hokage and she believe in Naruto, so she can make an exception, or he will find a team!!!!.
We shall see, but I really would be looking forward for a chunnin exam where naruto will only show inteligence, no Kyuubi, no anger, nothing more than power, speed, and high level thinking and planning, we even dont need to see the whole exam, maybe they would just relate it to Naruto's matches or so ^^

rocker2
June 05, 2006, 04:41 PM
In reply to Glasskatana

In genjutsu, one stays within the manipulated real world or in the world of the targeted individual mind as they define it where the genjutsu user can project themselves. The difference between this and MS is that in MS, the MS user defines a world that they have full control of in the targeted individual's mind. This is the reason why it is impossible to escape. If you read the manga chapter carefully, you will realize this is exactly what happened to Kakashi's kage buushin. If Kakashi just escaped normal Sharigan genjutsu, Itachi would not be impressed at all. Kakashi may have a lower stamina when using the Sharigan, but he has mastered the normal sharigan completely. Escaping genjutsu, regardless if it is from the normal Sharigan or performed by another part of the body is simple for Kakashi. Also, Itachi had his body clone focus all remaining 30% of the chakra to the MS. This would not cause the clone to die as the clone itself is a living being and has its own chakra capacity. Therefore it would not die. However, since the body clone expended the remaining chakra from Itachi, it could not counterattack with ninjutsu or genjutsu. Of course, Kakashi's kage buushin was also holding on to it which also restricted any escape maneuver with taijutsu.

Thus Kakashi is definitely on a higher level than Sasuke and in my opinion we will be seeing this in the upcoming chapters, especially if he trains Naruto in methods of overcoming genjutsu as he had promised in the save Gaara arc.

lee-nus
June 05, 2006, 04:45 PM
there have been a lot going on in this thread since i last had a look... personally, i think i would like to see a new bijuu introduced. they should join ranks, shouldnt they? or perhaps that makes them an easier target, since finding two at the same time might increase the speed at which akatsuki is hunting them down... i dont know if anyone already commented on this, and i dont feel like checking every single reply, but dont u guys think it would at least be an interesting idea...?

ibra87
June 05, 2006, 04:57 PM
For the next arc, I think they will do training along with some of the Akatsuki tidbits and possibly a little bit about the organization Sai was working for. I think they have something still planned and I think that arc will be resolved just as they are about to try and stop Sasuke from merging with Orochimaru. Then I think the Akatsuki be close if not on the move to finish collecting all of the tailed demons.

After reading some of the posts, I have my own thoughts as to how possibly everything will end.

I'm thinking that they will be trying to take down the Akatsuki but at the same time Sasuke/Orochimaru (yes they merge) will go after Itachi at the same time Naruto and the others will. They will be trying to save either the last person that has the last tail demon inside them or they are going to rescue Naruto himself. Orochimaru/Sasuke will see this as the opprotune time to strike the Akatsuki. I'm not sure if Naruto will have the Kuuybi taken out of him or not but I think there will be a possiblity. Now with the individual characters.

First with Sasuke. I have a feeling that Naruto or someone close to him (maybe Kakashi) is going to finish Itachi off before Sasuke. Sasuke, who I think by this time will have merged with Orochimaru, will be furious with Naruto that he wasn't the one to finish him off and will try to kill him. Not sure as to how but during that final battle between Sasuke and Naruto, I think Naruto will somehow awaken Sasuke but I think that when Sasuke tries to oust Orochimaru from his body Sasuke will die possibly in the process.

With Sakura, I think that she is going to learn the lifeforce transfering techinque that she learned from the old Sand lady (I forgot her name). I'm thinking that during the final battle with Naruto and Sasuke she is going to use that techinque to resurrect Naruto when Sasuke kills him. She will love the two of them so much that she sacrifices herself to make sure Naruto brings Sasuke back. I think that Sasuke's MS will awaken when Naruto is killed.

As for Naruto, I have a few thoughts but some are crazy. I think that Naruto will finish of Itachi when Naruto is let loose after being saved from the Akatsuki (if he has the Kyuubi still, he will go out of control when he finishes Itachi off). As I said in Sakura's, he will die during the middle of the battle and she will heal him taking her own life. I think in the end, Naruto will be the only one of Team 7 left alive (I have a feeling Kakashi will die in battle somewhere). I also think that he will give up his dream about being Hokage and realize that there is more to it than just getting yourself recoginzed by people.

Yeah....I know that is a really dark ending but it's what I think might happen or some elements of it. Yeah nuff of my babbling. :kkbook



I'm happy you to know that chapter 310 will be this long and good ;)


and comment to something of what you said: I doubt that Sakura will do the reviving technique. It's a technique of the sand... to revive puppets developed by the ultimat pupeteers. Then it was banned because it was kinda inhuman or whatever. So the chance of Sakura actually learning it is pretty slim (unless she is a super freak who has the ability to copy any healing technique she sees, which I honestly doubt since she has no sharingan). But I surely don't hope that team 7 dies... especially not Kakashi :(

kadoman
June 05, 2006, 06:12 PM
Looks like I was wrong about Yamato's clone. It is just as weak as Naruto's Kage Buushin. Seems like it did go down with him and Kabuto was able to escape. The Kyuubi chakra being suppressed by Sasuke - plausible as Sasuke is using genjutsu. Not to mention that with both Naruto and Sasuke rejecting Kyuubi, there's not much he can do to stay out in the open anyway. Just as I thought, Sasuke did not remove the seal off the gates. I think this is a way to show that the nine-tails power has flaws just as large as the curse seal.

We already know that the Kyuubi's power can be suppressed. Yamato did it and now Sasuke has shown he has the power to do it as well. However, I've read a lot on how people thinking it pathetic how this can be done, especially Sasuke doing it. I'd like to clear up that the Kyuubi is cool, but it is not what is strong about Naruto. I think this is part of the theme that Kishi wanted to bring out as just from reading many of the posts, lots of people define Naruto by only the Kyuubi - as if the only reason Naruto has any capability as a ninja at all is because of the Kyuubi. This is a big misconception and I think Kishi is making use of this arc to clear this up once and for all. As I've mentioned in earlier posts, to become an exceptional ninja, power is just a small portion of what is needed and this is all the Kyuubi can give. The rest has always been Naruto. This is why even without the direct influence of the Kyuubi, Naruto can win his fights. The proportion to which Naruto relies on the Kyuubi changes as changes as the power (not skill) of the opponent changes. The Kyuubi is never brought out when it is just a talent match. In the VOE fight, Sasuke was increasing his power using the curse seal. To handle this power, Naruto brought out Kyuubi power. To counter the power of the full Sharingan (the Sharingan is not a technique, but the power of the bloodline), he had to bring out more Kyuubi power. However, the skill still stayed with Naruto.

So what now? Training possibly. However, it is apparent that Naruto got some reality knocked into him about how it is his strength that matters and not the Kyuubi's as Kyuubi power can be countered easily without him in full control (first Oro negating KN4 and then Sasuke suppressing Kyuubi within his own mind). Naruto became weak within the last arc because of his overreliance on the Kyuubi. Now, I suspect we will see the real Naruto, his true power (maybe with some background amplification by the Kyuubi) and his new skill set. Jiraiya, Kakashi and Tsunade have all foreshadowed that Naruto's own ability has skyrocketed, but unfortunately due to his rashness in trying to speed things up by using only the Kyuubi, all that he has learned and invented has been pushed aside.

As for Sasuke, the clan's relation to Madara and what bounds it places on their power will be coming out. Sasuke is powerful, but Yamato in the end showed that him plus another possibly would have the power to take him down. The Anbu are not to be trifled with and he finally showed why. The regret that Kyuubi was speaking of probably will foreshadow several things - 1. the curse of the MS which is that it will eventually make the user go blind 2. result in the user forever regretting the loss of their best friend in one fashion or another and sink into sorrow and 3. trying to kill Naruto will cause Naruto to truely go all out against him - Kyuubi also probably knows to what extent Naruto's true power lies and knows that should Sasuke push him that far, Naruto will use it and it will be Sasuke on the defensive 4. Killing Naruto results in the possible death of the Kyuubi and the Kyuubi will not let that happen - ie. the Kyuubi may be willing to make a sacrifice in terms of how he exists so long as he still does meaning that he may be willing to sacrifice his conscious self, such that his power and essence (Naruto already embodies Kyuubi's essence a little in his physical form and in terms of his persona) remains.

Finally, Itachi is that much stronger than Oro and Sasuke. MS grants Itachi a fire that burns through anything, complete and utter control over a non-MS consciousness and possibly some space-time manipulation technique (since Kakashi used one with his MS). No matter what Oro and Sasuke can do, with Itachi on par with them in techniques, speed and power normally, add in the MS and they are as good as gone. The only way to defeat any of the three is by the one thing all three lack - that is the will of fire or the will to protect - that of which Naruto has in greatest abundance. Does this mean that it will be Naruto defeating Itachi. Maybe, maybe not. I think Naruto will bring out the will of fire in Sasuke like he has done in many others so far which will finally give Sasuke the edge he needs.



Phew! I haven't even got around to posting here yet! Righteo...well, quoted Rocker2 for 100% agreement (shame hey, mate? I was looking forward to you and I debating again) :)

And er...yeah, so I don't at this point have anything useful to add. But thank god there hasn't been any character bashing in here. Nice one peoples.

kyubisharingan
June 05, 2006, 06:28 PM
Well i think they will be all mad that Sasuke got away and just talk and talk for the whole chapter then decide to go bak to Konoha, and probably Itachi might have seen wat was goin on at a distance and sayin dat "Sasuke has gotten a lot stronger, but not as strong as me".blah blah. Just a prediction ya know

kadoman
June 05, 2006, 07:01 PM
I hope not. I hope actually, that Kishi starts afresh. I'd like for the next chapter to be the beginning of a new arc entirely - new day and all. I really don't see how he can continue on in the same scene after that tragic final panel showing them all on their knees in utter despair. Nah...he has to skip some time after that (I mean days, not years!).

King
June 05, 2006, 07:11 PM
hmmm little sidetrack.

I don't think it's too much of a step for Sasuke to suppress part of Kyuubi's chakra, though as always it is contrued in the light to make Sasuke look all cool and that lol. After all, Jiraiya either overcame or outlasted Naruto's KB4 (the former is more likely since he's dealing with the chakra of a bijuu, but then again this is one of the Sanin so he might have the chakra to just endure) and this was with the additional handicap of winning while restraining his powers; i.e. not aiming to kill, though I doubt Jiraiya could have killed KB4 anyways.

But because we know Jiraiya survived the KB encounter, albeit with a near-mortal wound, we know he won in some fashion or another, something that Orochimaru was interestingly unable to do.

Of course we don't see the epic Jiraiya vs KB4 fight because that would totally undermine and make petty the fancy smanshy suppression Sasuke does and we always have to see him as totally cool =P

DarkManSharingan32
June 05, 2006, 07:26 PM
I hope not. I hope actually, that Kishi starts afresh. I'd like for the next chapter to be the beginning of a new arc entirely - new day and all. I really don't see how he can continue on in the same scene after that tragic final panel showing them all on their knees in utter despair. Nah...he has to skip some time after that (I mean days, not years!).


Although that certainly is a possibility, it sure isnt the only one...
The chapter could begin with some Akatsuki members checking out the damage that was inflicted at the Heaven Bridge (or whatever it was called)

And then the manga could rejoin Yamato+ Co. on their way back to Konoha...

billion bruce lees
June 05, 2006, 10:43 PM
Although that certainly is a possibility, it sure isnt the only one...
The chapter could begin with some Akatsuki members checking out the damage that was inflicted at the Heaven Bridge (or whatever it was called)

And then the manga could rejoin Yamato+ Co. on their way back to Konoha...
whut he said exept they're( akatsuki) checkin' out oro's lair

nova_1813
June 06, 2006, 01:16 AM
My prediction for this chapter is that it will be both a counseling and a chapter for reflection. Not just from naruto but also sakura, both will have to re-examine what they had been working so hard for, Yamato will give them some words of wisdom and they will head back to konoha where hopefully jiraya will scold his pupil.

zaijan_85
June 06, 2006, 01:23 AM
Thats 100%, and thats what I meant Naruto is not able to control the Kyuubi yet, but he is able to utilise his chakra. "thats what I believe"

When I talked earlier I meant the chakra and I dont know if I said that ir no, but sorry if I didnt ;) anyway, I think if Naruto was able to control the Kyuubi he would be able to summon him for example like Gaara did to Shukaku. While when we see naruto in control, they almost always refer to it as "Lend me your powers" so, it is kind of contract between both, like I will let you live in my body and I will use your powers lol "thats of course not true, but Naruto is definitly able to extract Kyuubi's powers, and control the huge Chakra amount at his will. And as I said before, he can control up to the chakra of 3 tails, and up to now the Kyuubi take over him "and weaken the seal" when the fourth tail appears.
"didnt it seem a bit nasty that naruto's body goes under damage and his life span gets less when the fourth tail appear ???? I mean it is like putting ends to Naruto-Kyuubi Powers :("

Thanks buddy, I was about to say that, but nice statment, and I believe in order to make Naruto stronger, he should realise this in the next few chapters, and train with Gai, he should definitly do that, to match the power "Taijutsu", to match the speed, and to be able to find the sharingan :D.

"Slightly Man", common, please say unlemitedly, I used to love that Kakashi, yet imagine how did things go, Naruto went to him to train him, yet he told him "I am busy now!!!!!!" what kinda of teacher is that, after that, he was training sasu secretly, "what kind of teacher is that" I dont wana say I hate Kakashi, but I stopped liking him after these few incidents, he even keeps saying sasu is like me, and so and so "everyone says something like that in naruto of course". Also Jiraya didnt want to train Naruto at the begining, and Naruto ran after him 24/7 to train him, then they found similarities. I think that Kakashi was little mean to Naruto "maybe at that time".

About the coming chapter, I hope that it will be the chunnin exam :D, I cant wait to see Konohamaru, lo0ol, naybe he will perform "Sexy No Jutsu" :D.



i agreed to this b4, naruto has yet to fully control kyuubi, naruto cannot contain the kyuubi, and shows that the seal is weakening. BUT, my prediction is that the team will head back to konoha, where kakashi should of recovered by now. KAKASHI FANS should be anticipating his arrival!!!

THETRUTH.com
June 06, 2006, 02:24 AM
But what i will remind people... is that the Root group is the #1 factor right now. They wished to take Tsunade from power, and TOTALLY CHANGE THE FACE of Konoha. Part of Sai's mission was to enlist the help of Orochimaru in that reguard... SO, i believe this is the next logical step to take for Kishimoto.
Shit... with most Good ninjas out on missions, Root could be staging a takeover while Yamato+Co. were absent....

That would make for a volatile homecoming... but one that a fully rested Naruto, Sakura, Yamato, and the newborn Sai would be ready to handle following the Sasuke ordeal. Who knows... In an arc like this, Naruto would do all he could, and be an instrumental figure in restoring Konoha, and finally get those nay-sayers to back he and Tsunade up....



That sounds like a great twist. Their are other factors in this equation as The Sand with Gaara being Kazekage would probably have a say in any attempt on Konoha. But who knows how big of a say, dont think they will stand by without action.

jerger
June 06, 2006, 03:26 AM
My prediction now after all this.. (after reading this too:http://leafninja.com/uchiha.php)
"
To begin Kakashi formed a handseal to change his normal three tomoe Sharingan into a new Mangekyou form." ***most important... then continues...

" He then focused on an area of his target. The surrounding area then began to warp and collapse in on itself, quickly reducing the surround area to nothingness. The technique will thus essentially transport the focused area away to another location. The technique caused a huge strain on Kakashi, utilizing a great deal of chakra. He was able to use the technique twice in succession and then revert back to three tomoe, it is unknown how many times he could use it before total exertion."

Why doesn't sasuke train this from kakishi if he can copy? did he pick the wrong sensei?

What exactly did itatchi find out? that someone did something super evil to get the power? was there an evil plot? or is he pure evil? how many non-uchiha did he kill that were innocent?

makes me think he had to kill "Shisui" ? or his friend.. who might of been uchiha madara! (since this ahole was pure evil... was itatchi like a naruto in an evil clan?)

... then i think maybe he is more evil then i am crediting him lol
(also sasuke might have an eye similiar to itatchi's old friend... meaning his friend was not at his level yet... or not after the battle giving itatichis new eye)..

however it could also be tobi (eye giver for kakashi) which would be rather cruel (he being madara)
[br]Posted on: June 06, 2006, 12:58:26 AM_________________________________________________on akatsuki (from wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29#Sasori

Basically each wears a ring and hunts down a demon to put in their own body...so if uchiha sasuke is thier weakness (can stop demons)... does this mean madara was evil? or does this mean, uchiha sasuke has the power to stop the akatsuki yet does not even realize it? (well he needs the power to make them cast a summon or to use summoning)...

however if they do possess themselves (make themself into a naruto type character) like how they stole garaa... then doesn't this mean... sasuki could control their red power (if they can even use it like naruto...) or at least some special? negating many of thier super powers that rely on the new demons?

billion bruce lees
June 06, 2006, 04:48 AM
My prediction now after all this.. (after reading this too:http://leafninja.com/uchiha.php)
"
To begin Kakashi formed a handseal to change his normal three tomoe Sharingan into a new Mangekyou form." ***most important... then continues...

" He then focused on an area of his target. The surrounding area then began to warp and collapse in on itself, quickly reducing the surround area to nothingness. The technique will thus essentially transport the focused area away to another location. The technique caused a huge strain on Kakashi, utilizing a great deal of chakra. He was able to use the technique twice in succession and then revert back to three tomoe, it is unknown how many times he could use it before total exertion."

Why doesn't sasuke train this from kakishi if he can copy? did he pick the wrong sensei?

What exactly did itatchi find out? that someone did something super evil to get the power? was there an evil plot? or is he pure evil? how many non-uchiha did he kill that were innocent?

makes me think he had to kill "Shisui" ? or his friend.. who might of been uchiha madara! (since this ahole was pure evil... was itatchi like a naruto in an evil clan?)

... then i think maybe he is more evil then i am crediting him lol
(also sasuke might have an eye similiar to itatchi's old friend... meaning his friend was not at his level yet... or not after the battle giving itatichis new eye)..

however it could also be tobi (eye giver for kakashi) which would be rather cruel (he being madara)
[br]Posted on: June 06, 2006, 12:58:26 AM_________________________________________________on akatsuki (from wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29#Sasori

Basically each wears a ring and hunts down a demon to put in their own body...so if uchiha sasuke is thier weakness (can stop demons)... does this mean madara was evil? or does this mean, uchiha sasuke has the power to stop the akatsuki yet does not even realize it? (well he needs the power to make them cast a summon or to use summoning)...

however if they do possess themselves (make themself into a naruto type character) like how they stole garaa... then doesn't this mean... sasuki could control their red power (if they can even use it like naruto...) or at least some special? negating many of thier super powers that rely on the new demons?
considering how badass each akatsuki member is, i don't thinkhe'll get the chance

Obidan
June 06, 2006, 07:57 AM
[br]Posted on: June 06, 2006, 12:58:26 AM_________________________________________________on akatsuki (from wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29#Sasori

Basically each wears a ring and hunts down a demon to put in their own body...so if uchiha sasuke is thier weakness (can stop demons)... does this mean madara was evil? or does this mean, uchiha sasuke has the power to stop the akatsuki yet does not even realize it? (well he needs the power to make them cast a summon or to use summoning)...



Man, that would be a pain in the ass, and if that happen or anything similar to that, then they should stop calling the anime Naruto, and should name it after sasu!!!!! I cant Imagine him doing that all the time, suppress this and that!!!!!!

donkeyhigh
June 06, 2006, 11:07 AM
Itachi has a secound plan.
He's going to let everyone in the Akatsuki get their monster, then he's going to fight them all, using the same technique as Sasuke, he will seal of everyone's monster, then use his own to knock them out, and steal their monsters, making himself a sealed mix of all the Bijuus.

Then, when he's the strongest mofo in the Naruto-world, Sasuke will come and kick his ass, with the help of Team-7, after he's been Narutomized and good again. :)

Ooinaru
June 06, 2006, 11:45 AM
Itachi has a secound plan.
He's going to let everyone in the Akatsuki get their monster, then he's going to fight them all, using the same technique as Sasuke, he will seal of everyone's monster, then use his own to knock them out, and steal their monsters, making himself a sealed mix of all the Bijuus.

Then, when he's the strongest mofo in the Naruto-world, Sasuke will come and kick his ass, with the help of Team-7, after he's been Narutomized and good again. :)


Nonono! Itachi will eat Sasuke's soul, he is, as you put it, "the strongest mofo in the naruto-world" (yeah i know it's irony, but let's have a little fun with it) Naruto will respond with something like "omfg, he swallowed him! Pwned.... I wish i could do that... Itachi... Please teach me o'great master, i'll lend you my kyuubi for free, what do you say?" :XD lol

Prediction(s):

1. Naruto and team will head back to konoha just to learn that root has taken over konoha, and they will have to fight to get the power back
2. Kakashi meet's up with team yamato and assumes his previous role, yamato take the role of 2nd in command for the time being and they're heading back to konoha when they suddenly falls under attack by Akatsuki... :s
3. Naruto and Sakura goes into a neverending depression and the series end with too many loose treads... :p
4. We actually get some knowledge about Uchiha Madara :o

DarkManSharingan32
June 06, 2006, 01:42 PM
Nonono! Itachi will eat Sasuke's soul, he is, as you put it, "the strongest mofo in the naruto-world" (yeah i know it's irony, but let's have a little fun with it) Naruto will respond with something like "omfg, he swallowed him! Pwned.... I wish i could do that... Itachi... Please teach me o'great master, i'll lend you my kyuubi for free, what do you say?" :XD lol

Prediction(s):

1. Naruto and team will head back to konoha just to learn that root has taken over konoha, and they will have to fight to get the power back
2. Kakashi meet's up with team yamato and assumes his previous role, yamato take the role of 2nd in command for the time being and they're heading back to konoha when they suddenly falls under attack by Akatsuki... :s
3. Naruto and Sakura goes into a neverending depression and the series end with too many loose treads... :p
4. We actually get some knowledge about Uchiha Madara :o


Ahh, this is EXACTLY what i was hoping to happen... I've been hinting at it for some times with my posts, but never wrote something this formal....

billion bruce lees
June 06, 2006, 02:21 PM
i still think naruto should just ask kyuubi. it's not like he wouldn'nt tell him.

DarkManSharingan32
June 06, 2006, 03:08 PM
i still think naruto should just ask kyuubi. it's not like he wouldn'nt tell him.


ha ha, yeahhh riiight...
I can see Kyuubi saying: "You refuse my power, yet still want me to help you? Get you head straight, weakling!"

Ooinaru
June 06, 2006, 03:18 PM
i still think naruto should just ask kyuubi. it's not like he wouldn'nt tell him.


Actually, I like the idea about Naruto asking kyuubi for help... Think about what kyuubi said to Sasuke when he supressed him "don't kill naruto, you'll regret it...". IMO it seems like Kyuubi is growing fond of Naruto (but that could just be me crazy talking...) Allthough i don't want naruto to turn into a miniature kyuubi again. I would rather have their chakra fuse indefinatly, combining the two entities, and thus naruto have, in combination with his already HUGE chakra, a chakra supply unmatched by anyone. But hey, this is just me dreaming... :p

rocker2
June 06, 2006, 03:19 PM
I agree with both DarkManSharingan32 and billion bruce lees. The Kyuubi will definitely be bad ass should Naruto ask him, but nonetheless, the Kyuubi will tell him cause any threat to Naruto becomes a threat to him as well and Sasuke is definitely a threat. Also, if Naruto finds or knows a way to keep Sasuke out or defeat the Sharingan, then essentially the Kyuubi gets its own revenge of sorts over Sasuke. :)

ibra87
June 06, 2006, 03:24 PM
I don't really point 1 or 2 will happen :). They have Jiraiya and Tsunade and Kakashi in town.. even if he was injured he should be in a well state by now. These three including many chunnins if not jounins. I hardly doubt that Sakura, Yamato and Naruto will be able to do more than these three... I think even Jiraiya and Tsunade are more then enough :P
About point 2: could be. But wouldn't that be rude? :O
Point three: Most probably, the author seems to like to bore us out :'(

I truley think that they will be heading to Konoha by now and getting their ass kicked... by Tsunade

And about Naruto asking kyuubi for help, well I think that it will happen, just not in 310, since Naruto has been a bitch to the kyuubi :eyeroll not wanting to share his body

DarkManSharingan32
June 06, 2006, 03:24 PM
I agree with both DarkManSharingan32 and billion bruce lees. The Kyuubi will definitely be bad ass should Naruto ask him, but nonetheless, the Kyuubi will tell him cause any threat to Naruto becomes a threat to him as well and Sasuke is definitely a threat. Also, if Naruto finds or knows a way to keep Sasuke out or defeat the Sharingan, then essentially the Kyuubi gets its own revenge of sorts over Sasuke. :)


Well, unless the Kyuubi really is the source of power for the Uchiha...
It really didn't seem like the Kyuubi was hostile towards Sasuke, but rather amused that he was there...

Ooinaru
June 06, 2006, 03:35 PM
Well, unless the Kyuubi really is the source of power for the Uchiha...
It really didn't seem like the Kyuubi was hostile towards Sasuke, but rather amused that he was there...


Hmm, I agree, but I find it weird that Sasuke didn't ask about Madara when Kyuubi mentioned him :s Maybe he doesn't care? Or he's to ignorant to pay attention to such "minor details"? Guess we'll find out in the coming chapters :)

DarkManSharingan32
June 06, 2006, 03:40 PM
Hmm, I agree, but I find it weird that Sasuke didn't ask about Madara when Kyuubi mentioned him :s Maybe he doesn't care? Or he's to ignorant to pay attention to such "minor details"? Guess we'll find out in the coming chapters :)


Ha ha, yeah...
If Kyuubi said "Itachi"... Sasuke's eyes would've lit up like Christmas. lol

_ATMA
June 06, 2006, 04:14 PM
didnt roots mission fail as soon as sai betraid oro

ibra87
June 06, 2006, 04:23 PM
didnt roots mission fail as soon as sai betraid oro

It seems to me that Konoha's destruction was not the real mission, but Sasuke's assissanation was.

cerventus
June 06, 2006, 04:29 PM
since when the kyubi is all uchiha's source of power come about? does not make much sense. If that is true. must be all source of bakungyan's power since uchiha bloodline came from the hyunga( how do you spell it). I think blood lines are just bloodlines..nothing to do with kyubi or any other beast. Unless....one of the uchiha evolved into a biyuu after achieving MS level 4.

Sorry off topic.
I think 310, we will see sakura healing wounds of her team members and they futher explore Orichimaru's lair. They will have a shocking discovery. Naruto is actually Orichimaru's son.



okay maybe that might not be the case but i think they will find something important.Maybe like Orichimaru's shed skin?

DarkManSharingan32
June 06, 2006, 04:36 PM
since when the kyubi is all uchiha's source of power come about? does not make much sense. If that is true. must be all source of bakungyan's power since uchiha bloodline came from the hyunga( how do you spell it). I think blood lines are just bloodlines..nothing to do with kyubi or any other beast. Unless....one of the uchiha evolved into a biyuu after achieving MS level 4.

Sorry off topic.
I think 310, we will see sakura healing wounds of her team members and they futher explore Orichimaru's lair. They will have a shocking discovery. Naruto is actually Orichimaru's son.



okay maybe that might not be the case but i think they will find something important.Maybe like Orichimaru's shed skin?


I think it's entirely possible that a clan shot off from the Hyuugas that had very little powers... and to attain more powers, one Uchiha made a pact with the devil (Kyuubi), so to speak...

Rooks
June 06, 2006, 04:52 PM
I think 310 is going to be the team reconciling itself and heading back to Konoha..

I think a new arc will come out focusing on Danzou and "Root." Somehow I doubt Tsunade ordered Sasuke's assassination, which would mean there is going to be some sort of clash between Danzou and Godaime. I would think that 310 will lead up to that (maybe it will skip the whole return home and start up with our team entering the gates of Konoha, and run from there..)

I don't think it's time for the Manga to jump back into things with Akatsuki... I think Kishi will hold off on that for a little while longer.

Obidan
June 06, 2006, 05:08 PM
I believe that this is most likely to happen, but I doubt the start from Konoha Gate, I think there will be some chit chatting on the way, some tears here and there, a flash back of old days.
Not much, that Madara thingy, I also dont think that its time will be the next chapter, maybe in a next fight of Naruto where the Kyuubi will appear again and so a chit chat will happen. It would be so strange of Naruto to start molding chakra to ask "hey damn fox, whos that madara ???!!".
We dont know what might happen in Konoha, maybe there will be a problem with Danzou, who knows, and I hope that Sai would join Team 7, he is really getting well with the group I guess "Lately"

cerventus
June 06, 2006, 05:19 PM
There could be a posibility that Sai might replace Sasuke. Maybe, Sai will be assinated by his mentor for not completing the mission.

Obidan
June 06, 2006, 06:48 PM
I doubt that he will be assassinated for not completeing the mission, but there is a possibility that we know more about Sai, I mean after they cry over sasu, there Sai will say things about him and his brother, and so on, and then he will decide to help the guys, and maybe even disobey Danzou which will do something to him "We dont know alot about Sai, and why doesnt he have any feelings!!!!"

NRZero
June 06, 2006, 08:30 PM
Sai will be hunted by the Root upon returning to Konoha. Tsunade will then place him under the supervision of Yamato or Kakashi. Danzou will then explain that he wanted to exterminate Sasuke because he is a threat to Konoha as long as he is with Orochimaru. Tsunade will argue that there is still enough time to capture Sasuke before Orochimaru is capable of doing the transfer. Naruto will be in denile about the Sasuke situation....again. Sakura will say how useless she is...again. The Akatsuki will grow impatient looking for other Jinchuurikis and go after Naruto again. This time sending the real Itachi and Kisame to finish the job. Naruto questions Itachi on why he destroyed Sasuke's life and what power will Sasuke get if he had killed Naruto... Itachi will then reply, "The Mangekyou Sharingan.... which is neccessary to fight me at my level and kill me." and he continues on "I can see that he still doesn't have it, as Naruto-kun is still alive.... he still doesn't have enough hatred." Naruto will yell something like, "You.... you're the reason that Sasuke can't live a normal life, the reason why he wants Orochimaru to take his body, and why he's so miseable. But I will kill you with my own hands, if thats what it takes to save my friend!" Fight breaks loose with Itachi/Kisame vs. Team Kakashi and Team Gai. Itachi has Kakashi worn down and Naruto beaten down. Naruto then begins to release his chakra tails and yells...."Itachi I won't go back on my word, I will kill YOU!" But Itachi is too much for Kyuubi Naruto. Just as Itachi goes to grab Naruto.....CHIDORI NAGASHI. "Sasuke...again, you are a bother to me." Sasuke then appears out of nowhere. Naruto sees Sasuke and shouts, "Sasuke, you can't fight him without the Mangekyou Sharingan right.... you said before that I am your best friend." "In order to complete your revenge... you have to KILL ME NOW!"

My prediction for the next arc

C4animax
June 06, 2006, 10:52 PM
NRZero, Don"t you think we saw enough of itachi and kisame?...i mean it's time to show 2 other members of the akatsuki! And after all this no way sai is going to be assassinated...and since there is an empty seat at team 7 naruto himself might ask him to stay in the team!

billion bruce lees
June 06, 2006, 10:58 PM
again naruto interogates kyuubi, kyuubi laughs but tells him because of his guts.

Cbot
June 07, 2006, 05:14 AM
Can you say depression?I sence that Naruto will be madly depress.

_ATMA
June 07, 2006, 05:43 AM
Can you say depression?I sence that Naruto will be madly depress.


well thats the obvious lol, like i said i think were going to see a comical releif chapter comming up soon >.> lol

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 06:27 AM
NRZero, Don"t you think we saw enough of itachi and kisame?...i mean it's time to show 2 other members of the akatsuki! And after all this no way sai is going to be assassinated...and since there is an empty seat at team 7 naruto himself might ask him to stay in the team!


I cant agree more, thats likely to happen, but remember that Danzou has something in his pocket, and wont allow something like that to happen easily. Also he might be controling Sai's life or something ??? So I guess in the next chapter we might see that happen, Sai might determine that he will join the team after Naruto's request for example??!!
I think we will also see more about Sai's life coming up.
And remember, Naruto gathers people around him, and if he dont get Sai in his team, then who will it be ??!

SacredNic
June 07, 2006, 06:31 AM
Yeah, Sai is cool... hope he'll be the replacement for
Sasuke. :tem

cerventus
June 07, 2006, 08:07 AM
I think on the next chapther when the reunite with kakashi as the return to konoha.

Kakashi " oi. wat with the long face?"
Sakura " ...."
Naruto's flash back " You cant be hokage, if you cant even save a friend"
Sakura " We cant save sasuke kun because he choose to be orochimaru's new vessel, just to kill his brother."
Naruto" I cant even save my close friend, how can be Hokage??????"
Naruto breakdowns. Sakura looks at him in pity at the same time thinking of her uselessness.
Kakashi "You are one of the stronger shinobi in konoha. Sasuke has choose his path. You should just learn from this and focus on your dream to be hokage. Maybe it is fate, history repeats itself."
Sai shout" Wrong, Naruto is a strong Shinobi but more important He save a friend in this mission. He saved me" Sai patting on naruto back, and giving him a sincere smile.Naruto looked back at Sai and smile knowning there is still hope.

All a sudden, Yamato looked right. There standing there without any emotion is Sai's boss.

Naruto 311: The next great war

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 11:07 AM
I believe that few things of what you said would happen ;)

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 11:37 AM
Naruto 311: The next great war



I wonder what you had in mind ?

The next great war? Against who? We all know that Danzou has no intention in making people from Konoha fighting each other.

But that chit chatting Naru Kakashi was quite convincing :-)



As for my prediction: 310 worst chapter ever seen in Naruto.
No explanations of any kind, everyone depressed , bref the kind of chapter that brings
nothing to the Manga.
1rst page showing the group deciding to go back.
2-4th page - Yamato reporting in front of Tsunade ,with Kakashi and Jiraiya listening.
5-7th Sai having a bad time with Danzou.
8-14th Naruto depressed with an apparition of Sakura.Lot of flash back
15-16th Introduction of the next plot

And please no Chuunin exam ... everything but that

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 12:05 PM
Seems a nice chapter that you are describing, and pretty similar to what we are having for long time, and what we will propably see for about 100 more chapters "flash backs, sadness, depression, and things of that!!!".
Common, Naruto must become Chunnin, for the sake of seeing something intresting from him!!! And other reasons too ;)

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 12:10 PM
No way ... they better make his Chunnin examination a flashback. Let's move on
bring more light on all those mysteries ( madara and stuff ) and not waste our time on
examination ( we already know how it look like ). Ask for Naruto skills , come on
he's the hero , we'll always see his nnew moves in any fight.

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 12:24 PM
Alrite, maybe you have some point in "we all the exam thingys" but Madara, no please, no more chapters about him, it would be satisfactory if Kyuubi just tells us who he is, and thats all. I have started to feel sick of the Uchiha Clan, they are such Psychos, A killer, a man with a cursed blood, a revenger, a cursed blood line!!!!! What kind of clan is that!!!!!.
Please, no Uchiha thingys for 100 chapters.

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 12:42 PM
Alrite, maybe you have some point in "we all the exam thingys" but Madara, no please, no more chapters about him, it would be satisfactory if Kyuubi just tells us who he is, and thats all. I have started to feel sick of the Uchiha Clan, they are such Psychos, A killer, a man with a cursed blood, a revenger, a cursed blood line!!!!! What kind of clan is that!!!!!.
Please, no Uchiha thingys for 100 chapters.

That's exactly why i want it to be cleared once and for all ASAP , and i'm sure that
Kyuubi ain't gonna say nothing! Maybe the elders with Tsunade.
And that Chunnin exam wont make things go faster , if you know what i mean ;)

billion bruce lees
June 07, 2006, 01:10 PM
my otherprediction..akatsuki is tracking oro and sasuke, right after this previous chap, they catch up, oro takes sasuke and kills kabuto. there is an earth shaking event and a humungus kyuubi musta been here crater. 2 more akatsuki show up. to an empty scene

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 01:16 PM
oro takes sasuke and kills kabuto.


Who kills who? Oro kills Kabuto or Akatsuki kills Kabuto?

I don't think Kabuto can die now, too soon

CheckMate
June 07, 2006, 01:27 PM
no one has to die now..

as for prediction, team kakashi will meet kakashi at some point, and restart the mission, with pakkun with them.

and maybe assisted by team gai, or another team, bcoz it's too risky to just send one team against oro

billion bruce lees
June 07, 2006, 01:30 PM
you guys really like kabuto huh?

since he is oro's best friend, after oro takes sauke's body, it's curtains buddy.

ikuroi
June 07, 2006, 01:37 PM
Sasuke will fight Itachi and loose. Naruto will then, go all like... "spare them...and take me...its me that you want! not them!"...with them i mean Sakura and Sasuke maybe one more?

Arc after that is, Every ex-genin is going to save Naruto and Sasuke as well. When they find Naruto, Sasuke will have to choose Narutos life or his revenge..he will choose Naruto! voila... thats 100 chapters.

billion bruce lees
June 07, 2006, 01:42 PM
Sasuke will fight Itachi and loose. Naruto will then, go all like... "spare them...and take me...its me that you want! not them!"...with them i mean Sakura and Sasuke maybe one more?

Arc after that is, Every ex-genin is going to save Naruto and Sasuke as well. When they find Naruto, Sasuke will have to choose Narutos life or his revenge..he will choose Naruto! voila... thats 100 chapters.
y'know ya make sense..i just want to see the look on kabuto's face when he realizes who oro's best friend is
so i jumped the gun

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 01:49 PM
Sasuke will fight Itachi and loose. Naruto will then, go all like... "spare them...and take me...its me that you want! not them!"...with them i mean Sakura and Sasuke maybe one more?

Arc after that is, Every ex-genin is going to save Naruto and Sasuke as well. When they find Naruto, Sasuke will have to choose Narutos life or his revenge..he will choose Naruto! voila... thats 100 chapters.

Yeahh That's it. All in one.
Best prediction ever
But what about Naruto's part in all of this? He's not going to fight? Less probable



no one has to die now..
as for prediction, team kakashi will meet kakashi at some point, and restart the mission, with pakkun with them.
and maybe assisted by team gai, or another team, bcoz it's too risky to just send one team against oro

No more pursuit! This arc is over.

Wait maybe Sai can draw a dog out of his scrolls (haha funny , just a thought)

virnaluo
June 07, 2006, 02:06 PM
Yeah, Sai is cool... hope he'll be the replacement for
Sasuke. :tem
Yes,I totally agree with you!

billion bruce lees
June 07, 2006, 02:38 PM
Yeahh That's it. All in one.
Best prediction ever
But what about Naruto's part in all of this? He's not going to fight? Less probable
No more pursuit! This arc is over.

Wait maybe Sai can draw a dog out of his scrolls (haha funny , just a thought)
a painted dog would be smart actually

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 02:44 PM
What would be the benifit of a dog without smelling senses ???!!! :D

billion bruce lees
June 07, 2006, 02:50 PM
he can follow, how do you know it can't smell??

but a bird would make more sense like aq humingbird

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 03:08 PM
lol, just guessing, I think they are emotionless just like Sai!!! Maybe thats Sai's talent ;)
He is cool though.

Darrenj
June 07, 2006, 03:16 PM
why would the dog help? they clearly used a teleport jutsu away

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 03:24 PM
Oh, about that teleport Jutsu, its so funny, you never know its name, they use it sometimes, and its untracable!!!!!
Its a Joke Jutsu to me, that asshole oro, he use one everytime he get beaten up!!!!! Whats with that Jutsu, and how can they use it, and and and!!!! Really confusing!!

lee-nus
June 07, 2006, 03:39 PM
yeah, it must be one hell of a jutsu, since everytime someone uses it, the other just stand there like there's no way in hell they can do anything about that. like, "okay, im just gonna let that slide..."
that makes me wonder about the way fights usually go, where everyone uses stronger and stronger jutsu continually throughout the fight. wouldnt it be a lot smarter to just pop up, use the strongest shit of a jutsu you know, and then just disappear to nowhere without giving the opponent the chance to retaliate...?

One Bad Mo Fo
June 07, 2006, 03:54 PM
I'm gonna be different and naive and say that all this dissaperation is just a red herring and that the mission isn't over and won't be over until we see Naruto bust out some cool, new moves! Next chapter: you're not getting away!

cerventus
June 07, 2006, 04:01 PM
I wonder what you had in mind ?

The next great war? Against who? We all know that Danzou has no intention in making people from Konoha fighting each other.

But that chit chatting Naru Kakashi was quite convincing :-)



I was thinking Great Wars against other hidden villages. Maybe hidden mist tries to invade Hidden sand as a chain reaction of the Atkasuki attack and the hidden mist want to take advantage of the situation.

thanks for compliment enzomars. I also agree that it will be a waste of time naruto becomes a chunnin. Leave that to the filler episode. However I would want to see Naruto Promoted to Junin. All a sudden naruto being appriciated by his village. that will be an interesting twist. Maybe it is a plot manupulated by Danzou.

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 04:09 PM
Maybe hidden mist tries to invade Hidden sand.



Have you ever asked your self guys where is the Hidden Mist ???? If their Kage keeps running from here and there!!! Does that make sense!!! To me no, I think there is no Hidden Sound, it is just imaginary otherwise it would have been invaded and wiped out long time ago :D



yeah, it must be one hell of a jutsu, since everytime someone uses it, the other just stand there like there's no way in hell they can do anything about that. like, "okay, im just gonna let that slide..."
that makes me wonder about the way fights usually go, where everyone uses stronger and stronger jutsu continually throughout the fight. wouldnt it be a lot smarter to just pop up, use the strongest shit of a jutsu you know, and then just disappear to nowhere without giving the opponent the chance to retaliate...?


Thanks, you made me smile man before that fucking exam I have on Saturday.
Well, I was wondering too, that jutsu is really awsome, you disapear and appear in places you want, it reminds me of something lol.
Well, how many times have we seen it up to now ??
It funny that not alot of people thought about it, but honestly it is such a nasty thing. I mean, every time oro gets beaten or someone who knows that "Jutsu" would run away, get some more practice, and then come back :p.
Strangly it has never been used when the guy had power, once his power fade away, he just disapere, hmmmmmm, intresting, I can remember that in the fight with Tsunade they used it too :p but there was an intresting thing, Jiraya was about to stop it, but he had broken ribs and whatever :D damn
Well, why dont Naruto and the guys use it, and save us 10 chapters till they get to the Village, it will be straight to Konoha I guess :D

lee-nus
June 07, 2006, 04:16 PM
Thanks, you made me smile man before that fucking exam I have on Saturday.
Well, I was wondering too, that jutsu is really awsome, you disapear and appear in places you want, it reminds me of something lol.
Well, how many times have we seen it up to now ??
It funny that not alot of people thought about it, but honestly it is such a nasty thing. I mean, every time oro gets beaten or someone who knows that "Jutsu" would run away, get some more practice, and then come back :p.
Strangly it has never been used when the guy had power, once his power fade away, he just disapere, hmmmmmm, intresting, I can remember that in the fight with Tsunade they used it too :p but there was an intresting thing, Jiraya was about to stop it, but he had broken ribs and whatever :D damn
Well, why dont Naruto and the guys use it, and save us 10 chapters till they get to the Village, it will be straight to Konoha I guess :D


good to hear that you were able to let out some steam before the exam... ^^
it would indeed be interesting to find out how that works. perhaps its like a give-and-take jutsu , during which you are not capable of defending yourself, while vanishing... i have no idea, but that sneaky (read: snaky :)) bastard uses it all the time...!
actually, lots of charaters seem to use a similar jutsu, which shall hereby be know as the poof jutsu. i.e. kakashi, who often disapperars into a grey dusty cloud with a poofy effect... :D

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 04:42 PM
Thanks Buddy
We should ask kishi about that, actually he seems not planning to explain that at all. I wonder if it is kind of joke or something, or they put the magical hat and run away or something. It pisses me off every time oro uses it, (kakashi dont coz its not in fights!!!). That oro is really an ass, he keeps running away, and if he teaches sasu that jutsu, this other bitch will start using it when Naruto beat the hell out of him and we will never see a decent match :p

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 05:28 PM
Actually i don't think it's a Jutsu. It's more like a metaphor.
A way to show that they're gone , and there's no way to stop them.
Would be stupid to show them turning around and starting to run away.
The best picture is to show them slowly disappearing ... + it's cool yeah!
Come on guys! Don't tell me you've never seen this move before in any anime or manga before. The evil guy disappearing in a fog?..with the special guuuaahahahaha?

No one mentioned Hidden Sound , i think we all agree that there's no such thing,
and it was all a joke (Oro's joke ). Ask for Hidden Mist , it exists and it's on
Narutoword's map.

Naruto jumping to Jounin ,... hmm i don't think so. Just look what's Kakashi, Gai or Yamato's level. Naruto is way waaaayyyy behind.

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 05:35 PM
Well, about that "Jutsu" it is really creepy and annoying, they just disapere when they are beaten up or when they do something awful and want to run away!!!! For example what Itachi and Kisame do is "Hey Buddy, we gona eat shit here, so lets run before eating what we have been giving to people up to now :p"
While oro never runs, he disaperes, WTF is going on in that world!!!!! lol.
Ya, that Hidden Sound was a Joke from oro propably!!!! We even dont have that country on a map, and that oro keep gathering a bunch of loosers with him, and we never see him with anyone except Kabuto and Sasu!!! (Previously Kabuto)!!!!.
Well, I wanted Naruto to jump fromm a Genin to Hokage, but thats far away beyond what would happen anyway :D

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 05:39 PM
I like your use of the word 'metaphor', althought I'd say it's symbolic. Their vanishing is a sign to Naruto that Sasuke was never within his reach. This also harks back to Kabuto's warning: he's not the person he was...I feel sorry for you guys...you're wasting your time...etc.

It's cruel, but in a way, Naruto needed/deserved? that slap in the face. He was as obsessed as Sasuke, and suffered just as much from tunnel vision. The two aren't that different in that respect.

It will be interesting to see what lessons Naruto learns from this and if he picks himself up and strengthens his resolve to 'rescue' Sasuke or if he gives up and focses on becoming Hokage without him?

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 05:43 PM
Thank you lad. In confirming me in my believes :-)
Metaphor: One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol

lee-nus
June 07, 2006, 05:46 PM
I like your use of the word 'metaphor', althought I'd say it's symbolic. Their vanishing is a sign to Naruto that Sasuke was never within his reach. This also harks back to Kabuto's warning: he's not the person he was...I feel sorry for you guys...you're wasting your time...etc.

It's cruel, but in a way, Naruto needed/deserved? that slap in the face. He was as obsessed as Sasuke, and suffered just as much from tunnel vision. The two aren't that different in that respect.

It will be interesting to see what lessons Naruto learns from this and if he picks himself up and strengthens his resolve to 'rescue' Sasuke or if he gives up and focses on becoming Hokage without him?


you put it into words quite nicely there. i totally agree, naruto definitely needed that...

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 05:47 PM
Thank you lad. In confirming me in my believes :-)
Metaphor: One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol


lad? :D

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 05:50 PM
Kadoman. -man
Now don't tell me you're a girl ... or are you?

Lad? yep an old habit i got from my last year trip to the british islands.

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 05:56 PM
Man, please, how many slaps will Naruto take before he learns!!!!, usually it takes one slap for somebody to learn, I was hopping that he will learn something, now he is just gona insist more on rescuing him, and what will he do, nothing, he will just say, Yosha, lets go and get sasu back!!!!!!
I wonder when is he going to learn, our patience hasa limit :p

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 05:59 PM
Kadoman. -man
Now don't tell me you're a girl ... or are you?

Lad? yep an old habit i got from my last year trip to the british islands.



Oh GOD!! All right. That was tempting. I could have gone on 'pretending to be a guy' and it would have been a cool social experiment. Ha! I am indeed of the female persuasion (don't hold it against me). But er, yeah, I am familiar with the term lad, living as I do in England.:D Edit: I kinda forgot about the 'man' in Kadoman. I forget my name all the time.

Ah..I could debate about the metaphor/symbol thing but mate, I've debated myself stupid over Naruto this past week and am exhausted.:D [br]Posted on: June 07, 2006, 03:58:31 PM_________________________________________________

Man, please, how many slaps will Naruto take before he learns!!!!, usually it takes one slap for somebody to learn, I was hopping that he will learn something, now he is just gona insist more on rescuing him, and what will he do, nothing, he will just say, Yosha, lets go and get sasu back!!!!!!
I wonder when is he going to learn, our patience hasa limit :p


well the boy has stamina! It takes a lot of slapping!

tscombo
June 07, 2006, 06:07 PM
The story will probably slow down from here and go into a side quest. I hope they update us on the other characters from the Leaf Village and where their current skills are in relation to Naruto and Sakura.

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 06:10 PM
Owaa... Kadogirl i didn't know, so... mucho gomenasai!

Ask for Naruto giving up on sasuke?, that's not gonna happen!
That boy is so stubborn ... that's only going to make him want to be stronger.
And i think , his next target is Oro. He can't stop Sasuke from wanting revenge,
but he can stop Oro from taking over Sasuke's body.

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 06:13 PM
Owaa... Kadogirl i didn't know, so... mucho gomenasai!

Ask for Naruto giving up on sasuke?, that's not gonna happen!
That boy is so stubborn ... that's only going to make him want to be stronger.
And i think , his next target is Oro. He can't stop Sasuke from wanting revenge,
but he can stop Oro from taking over Sasuke's body.


Good point (about him targetting Oro) and I suspect that is exactly what he will set about doing. I also wonder if that wouldn't provide Kabuto an opportunity to betray Oro (by helping out Naruto?) Just the kind of twist Kishi would put in, esp, given Kabuto's loyalty is not 100% guaranteed.

Er...what's mucho gomenasai?

lee-nus
June 07, 2006, 06:19 PM
Good point (about him targetting Oro) and I suspect that is exactly what he will set about doing. I also wonder if that wouldn't provide Kabuto an opportunity to betray Oro (by helping out Naruto?) Just the kind of twist Kishi would put in, esp, given Kabuto's loyalty is not 100% guaranteed.

Er...what's mucho gomenasai?


guess that would be "so sorry"... ^^

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 06:32 PM
well the boy has stamina! It takes a lot of slapping!


Nice one :p sure, up to now he has taken many slaps, and he still stands like a man, that Brave Naruto :D



Owaa... Kadogirl i didn't know, so... mucho gomenasai!

Ask for Naruto giving up on sasuke?, that's not gonna happen!
That boy is so stubborn ... that's only going to make him want to be stronger.
And i think , his next target is Oro. He can't stop Sasuke from wanting revenge,
but he can stop Oro from taking over Sasuke's body.


Oh, I never imagine Naruto wanting to take oro down, he couldnt move a finger on sasu, and when he faught oro, he was easily controled by his anger!! Theoritically, he can take him down (I believe).




Good point (about him targetting Oro) and I suspect that is exactly what he will set about doing. I also wonder if that wouldn't provide Kabuto an opportunity to betray Oro (by helping out Naruto?) Just the kind of twist Kishi would put in, esp, given Kabuto's loyalty is not 100% guaranteed.



Kabuto, thats a weird person, since day one he wasnt clear on which side he plays, I think that he will be the future oro, he is something, and always thinking and analyzing, he is very dangerous in the term of tactics, and I think it is a big propability that he would betray oro, but when, who knows!!

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 06:36 PM
Kabuto, thats a weird person, since day one he wasnt clear on which side he plays, I think that he will be the future oro, he is something, and always thinking and analyzing, he is very dangerous in the term of tactics, and I think it is a big propability that he would betray oro, but when, who knows!!


Slightly off topic: Can't remember the chapter # now but you remember the time when Oro instructs Kabuto to kill Sasuke in the hospital? The time when Kakashi busts him? Well, re-read th scene between him and Oro - in light of everything that's gone on since then, it's a very enlightening and beautifully tense scene - those two didn't trust one another as far as they could throw one another and yet, they both seemed to hold a very strange admiration for one another - you must read it again! Really sums up their relationship.

On topic: Naruto definitely has the potential to take down Oro - he just needs to learn how to control his emotions. I'm sure we'll be seeing him struggle with that this next arc.

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 06:56 PM
Yahoo! happy to see that some agreed with me that Naruto
might go after Oro's head now that he knows that he can't stop
Sasuke's ambitions.
I mean he was always like: Orochimaru here, Orochimaru there,
Orochimaru again grrrr.
Now he's goin to say Ero senin, i want Oro down! And i have only 5 months
for that so let start training now! No more Kyuubi chakra bulshit, let's do it taijutsu
style and with a lot of cool jutsu.

I overreacted, think that Jiraiya's never gonna let him go after Oro,
Jiraiya is the one who will eventually sacrifice himself to take Oro in the other world,
after all it's his destiny. He've been stalkin Oro all his life, it seems natural that killing
him will be his final goal.For the sake of Naruto's futur.

sushi-girl-27
June 07, 2006, 07:04 PM
I totally agree about the Jiraiya thing, enzomars.

I think the next few chapters will focus on Team 7 going back to Konoha, with Sai discussing a bit more about his past. It's be cool if they got back to Suna instead, though. I wanna see Gaara! ^__^ Besides, Sai is going to get killed if he dares come back to Danzou after failing his mission...

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 07:10 PM
Mm...don't think Gaara will return to main storyline. Think his story has been told. I dont know if I want them returning to Konoha. A bit boring and a little depressing. I really want to see some more Akatsuki action - esp. Deidi. Damn, so many loose ends! Why can't Kishi hurry and tie them all up?

Also, like the point about Jiraiya sacrificing himself for Naruto - makes sense. Let's hope Kakashi doesn't feel the need to do the same thing!

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 07:17 PM
Yep garaa's card have been burned till the end :-)
Ask for Sai's past ... hmm don't think there's a need to say more about it.

I've already said it ,but i'll post it again:

310 worst chapter ever seen in Naruto.
No explanations of any kind, everyone depressed , bref the kind of chapter that brings
nothing to the Manga.
1rst page showing the group deciding to go back.
2-4th page - Yamato reporting in front of Tsunade ,with Kakashi and Jiraiya listening.
5-7th Sai having a bad time with Danzou.
8-14th Naruto depressed with an apparition of Sakura.Lot of flash back
15-16th Introduction of the next plot

I strongly hope i'm wrong :-)

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 07:22 PM
Slightly off topic: Can't remember the chapter # now but you remember the time when Oro instructs Kabuto to kill Sasuke in the hospital? The time when Kakashi busts him? Well, re-read th scene between him and Oro - in light of everything that's gone on since then, it's a very enlightening and beautifully tense scene - those two didn't trust one another as far as they could throw one another and yet, they both seemed to hold a very strange admiration for one another - you must read it again! Really sums up their relationship.

On topic: Naruto definitely has the potential to take down Oro - he just needs to learn how to control his emotions. I'm sure we'll be seeing him struggle with that this next arc.


Wow, you read my mind, actually when I said that weird person and that we dont know on which side, I was referring specially to the scene you said. I remember oro was saying(actually I spent the time looking for the episode) or referring to Kabuto that if he wana stop him, then he have to kill sasuke during that time since he noticed a look on Kabuto's face!!!.
I guess we shall hopfully see more of that Kabuto Oro thingy, hopfully, its kinda nice to see some internal cracks lol.

sushi-girl-27
June 07, 2006, 07:24 PM
Are you french, enzomars? I am too!

Your prediction makes a lot of sense, although I hope it won't happen... too depressing! DX I want some Akatsuki action too!

alexavila
June 07, 2006, 07:27 PM
is anyone as pissed as I am ?
I mean C,MON !!! sasuke supressing the kyubi?!!! what else??! that sasuke can fly ?!!!... no wait HE CAN !
wtf !! honestly...

we were all counting on "that" justu ... but now sasuke has a "that" jutsu too..
WTF !!!


Naruto should by now be a little bit stronger than what we have seen
and honestly we have seen ENOUGH on this second arch

Anyways I am losing my faith to this manga
naruto is less powerful than sasuke.. sasuke less powerful than oro.. oro less powerful than itachi.. itachi less powerful than the leader of akatsuki...
then why dont the akatsuki leader just go around and KILL EVERYONE BY NOW ! GEEZ He has the power to do so...

anyways... what I think (and I dont know if anyone has mentioned this before, i didnt read the whole discussion) is that the uchiha guy that the kyubi mentioned is the akatsuki leader...

there goes my 2 cents on naruto...

himema
June 07, 2006, 07:30 PM
Naruto will use "that jutsu" just for the hell of it XD

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 07:35 PM
I guess we shall hopfully see more of that Kabuto Oro thingy, hopfully, its kinda nice to see some internal cracks lol.



Oh there are cracks there, real big ones now that Sasuke is taking all of Oro's attention.[br]Posted on: June 07, 2006, 05:34:59 PM_________________________________________________

is anyone as pissed as I am ?
I mean C,MON !!! sasuke supressing the kyubi?!!! what else??! that sasuke can fly ?!!!... no wait HE CAN !
wtf !! honestly...


Ha...mate, you're a bit late...we've kind of all been through our Anger Grief sessions and now we're just completing our therapy before 310...:D

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 07:39 PM
is anyone as pissed as I am ?
I mean C,MON !!! sasuke supressing the kyubi?!!! what else??! that sasuke can fly ?!!!... no wait HE CAN !
wtf !! honestly...



Well buddy, do you wana feel really better ?? Go and read few more page, in the same post and in the last chapter discussion, and believe me you will feel better. I kinda overcomed that syndrome you are passing through.
Enjoy the Manga, Naruto on his way, it has been all planned and coked well :D.

Rooks
June 07, 2006, 07:42 PM
we were all counting on "that" justu ... but now sasuke has a "that" jutsu too..



It'd be quite interesting if these two 'that' jutsu's turned out to be the exact same thing, eh? I mean.. Each training under a sannin.. Each with a 'dont use that move' jutsu.. Would be an interesting turn of events if one of the other whips it out as a trump card, and then is thrwarted by the same move in retaliation.

At least, I think it'd be a neat turn of events. I was really hoping 'that' would be fleshed out during this chapter or a chapter in this arc, but apparently its a seed Kishi has planeted that is not yet done taking root.

:P

alexavila
June 07, 2006, 07:46 PM
lol.. hehe.. i guess i should read the entire discussion before posting but hey I am at work so I dont have that much time...

enzomars
June 07, 2006, 07:50 PM
Are you french, enzomars? I am too!



Come on, based on what? How can you tell :-) ?No i'm not but je reconnais qu' apres avoir passe 15 ans dans un pays francophone , bein oui ca laisse des sequelles ( after spending 15 years in a country where everyone speak french , it may have left some traces ) .
Actually most of the time i think in french hehe (inner Sakura alike, except mine speaks french :-)

Sasuke've never supressed Kyuubi.He supressed his materialisation in Naruto mind but he never supressed him physically.

kadoman
June 07, 2006, 07:50 PM
lol.. hehe.. i guess i should read the entire discussion before posting but hey I am at work so I dont have that much time...



That's ok, we feel your pain anyway...having been down that dark and dreary road...

It's funny actually, on that note (only slightly off topic) how the Naruto fandom was split down the middle this week - I mean some of the most heated discussion ever was based on this chapter (and your reaction). There are threads miles long in some forums. I can't remember the last time the fandom was so split over the outcome of a chapter.

ibra87
June 07, 2006, 08:04 PM
I just hope it's a "that jutsu" spam in next chapter... that would be fun...

Obidan
June 07, 2006, 08:04 PM
lol.. hehe.. i guess i should read the entire discussion before posting but hey I am at work so I dont have that much time...



Let it out, let it out man :D I am never bored with that, actually I really do hate to see Naruto that way, but thats how it should the story go, coz the story cant end here, Kishi wants more power for naruto, so Naruto has to work more, and we have to wait more :p. Hopfully in the next chapter we will see some guts from Naruto!!! I wonder on who, but hopfully ;)



Come on, based on what? How can you tell :-) ?No i'm not but je reconnais qu' apres avoir passe 15 ans dans un pays francophone , bein oui ca laisse des sequelles ( after spending 15 years in a country where everyone speak french , it may have left some traces ) .
Actually most of the time i think in french hehe (inner Sakura alike, except mine speaks french :-)

Sasuke've never supressed Kyuubi.He supressed his materialisation in Naruto mind but he never supressed him physically.


Hello guys, can we talk Naruto :D, just kissing, I meant kidding (it aint ma business :p)



I just hope it's a "that jutsu" spam in next chapter... that would be fun...


In Naruto (and others of course) we have been cursed by lots of questions, to the limit that we get no answers, I am sure if I list my questions from chapter one up to now, that would be 10 pages or so, what Kishi is doing to us, is let us ask our selfs, until we get sick of our questions, and then he brings up a new issue, so we drop the previous questions and jump to the new ones :D, what a trick.
I doubt that we will see "That Jutsu" until the last chapter on Naruto guys, I am even starting to dount that we will see it or even know who Madara is :P, ops, did I say Madra, pls, no Uchiha, no Uchiha in that chapter, Nooooooooooo

dantheman0000
June 07, 2006, 08:20 PM
this may already have been asked, sorry if it has, does anybody know the name of the next chapter. it could give a clue to whats gonna happen in the next chapter

glasskatana
June 07, 2006, 08:24 PM
I'm pretty sure the next chapter is called 'Title'.