The covers counts/means something thread.

[Alterno]

Well you all know that I used the covers of where Hinata appears to defend my point of view about Naruto & Hinata being together as couple. And I while I was looking @ it (again), my curiosity to see what else Kishimoto has given us in covers.

Example:::


http://uploadpsd.com/file/18113.jpg


And

http://uploadpsd.com/file/18114.jpg


From like 80 chapters before any of their summon happened, and from before Sasuke got into the hands of the snake. Share your findings and comapare them with the chapters to which you believe they are related.

[Zeus-Tails]

I wish Orochimaru gave Sasuke the suit in the #24 cover instead of what he's wearing now. Then maybe Itachi would respect Sasuke more ^^

[Alterno]

Sasuke Eagle or Snake?
http://uploadpsd.com/file/18127.jpg

Sakura with Sasuke...

[lordHokage]

Sasuke Eagle or Snake?
http://uploadpsd.com/file/18127.jpg

Sakura with Sasuke...

I think poor Sasuke would eventually become evil because he is both eagle and snake. :gigglebunny

[MegaX]

Sasuke Eagle or Snake?
http://uploadpsd.com/file/18127.jpg

Sakura with Sasuke...

Too bad the question turned out to actually be Hawk or snake.

[kyubisharingan]

umm..yeah...this kind of topic has been discussed WAY before. About the relation between the sannin and team kakashi before the sanin's appearance

[Alterno]

Too bad the question turned out to actually be Hawk or snake.

Eagle/hawk they both fly :p

[MegaX]

Eagle/hawk they both fly :p

OBJECTION!

You claim that, though the cover shows an eagle, it foreshadows the choice that Sasuke has between becoming a hawk and a snake on the grounds that both can fly. But so can a bat. Are you claiming that the cover foreshadows the possibility of Sasuke becoming a bat!?

[Oblivion]

You claim that, though the cover shows an eagle, it foreshadows the choice that Sasuke has between becoming a hawk and a snake on the grounds that both can fly. But so can a bat. Are you claiming that the cover foreshadows the possibility of Sasuke becoming a bat!?

are you claiming that alterno is claiming that kishi was claiming in the cover that sasuke will one day become Batman and fight the crime of Konoha City????

[kaylee]

I don't really think that the covers with the summons were meant to be foreshadowing -- it was planned from the start to be the obvious relationship between Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura. The snake, frog, and slug was a game that evolved into the modern rock/paper/scissors.

From here (http://www.hwacha.net/rps_history):



What is called 'janken' comes from the 'guu, choki, paa' or 'rock, scissors, paper' sansukumi way of thinking. Sansukumi is expounded in the book called the Kan'inshi, which describes how the snake fears the slug, the slug the frog, and the frog the snake. Each of the three parties holds the others in check, so that the three cannot move -- in short, the same relationship as between rock, paper, and scissors.

[MegaX]

I don't really think that the covers with the summons were meant to be foreshadowing -- it was planned from the start to be the obvious relationship between Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura. The snake, frog, and slug was a game that evolved into the modern rock/paper/scissors.

From here (http://www.hwacha.net/rps_history):

But it hardly seems like Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura will follow the Rock/Paper/Scissors theme. Naruto (Toad) will like stronger than Sasuke (Snake) and Sakura (Slug) is nowhere near Sasuke (Snake).

[Alterno]

We know that they wont follow the jaken scheme... neither applies to tsunade, jiraiya and orochimaru... it was kinda an anology done by masashi to explain it.


And yes is a hawk!!! fly!!!
http://uploadpsd.com/thumb/18151.png (http://uploadpsd.com/file/18151.png)

[Lelo]

so they have been showing Sasuke as a snake and Naruto as a frog since the begining, I didnt even know that. Thanks for posting those pics Alterno

[Black/Light]

Too bad the question turned out to actually be Hawk or snake.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-001/page003.html

Looks like a Hawk to me.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-001/page003.html

Looks like a Hawk to me.

looks like a hawk to me too. why is kakashi standing on a toad, i would expect him to be standing on a dog.

[Raimaru]

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-001/page003.html

Looks like a Hawk to me.
Now look in whose coat Sakura is sitting in. Got some interpretation for that one too? :p

To be serious, it's ok to forecast a bit by paying attention to the cover picture, but some of you are getting too deep into it. At the first eagle/hawk/whatever picture, all 3 of the future triangle are sitting/standing on ... birds. I won't count that one.

[Forever_Melody]

Well covers can have symbolic meanings although I also wouldn't read THAT much into them.

SImple facts, like for example, we've had at least 4-5 covers of Naruto standing or near toads, just as many as Sasuke around snakes. That could foreshadow Naruto using toads more often. There was even one with Gamakichi I remember and we jsut saw him last chapter ^^

[EvolutionIX]

Just like saying why is Sakura also on the toad? I think that picture is to depict whos the most skilled at that time. Sasuke summons a hawk, which is better than Naruto trying to summon and Sakura...i dont need to say or she'll kill me. And finally, Kakashi is strongest there because he doesnt need to do anything but watch.
[hr]

There was even one with Gamakichi I remember and we jsut saw him last chapter ^^

I hope so, ever since Shippuuden started, there hasnt been once where Naruto has summoned a frog. Although its good to see Gamakichi has grown up :D

Btw, how did Gamakichi and Boss Toad get summoned in chapter 404?

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Btw, how did Gamakichi and Boss Toad get summoned in chapter 404?

they came with pa frog

[EvolutionIX]

Hmm...for some reason, i didnt think they were related. HAHA

Oh, so they can summon themselves?

[Umbra Wolf]

If you summon an "animal" you take them from their local habitat (Toad mountain where the sages, gamabunta and so on live in this case) and teleport them to your location.
So they either traveled their normally since Toad mountain is a real place (Jiraiya has been there) or they can appear where they want (self summoning if you want to call it so). Yondaime's teleport jutsu is ought to work pretty similar.

[Forever_Melody]

Well we know that summons can "unsummon" themselves at will as shown when Gamabunta returns home after his fight with Gaara (link (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/136/15/)).

So the idea that they self summoned wouldn't be too far fetched. :amuse

[Lelo]

most likely they do but we cant be to sure, they probably just walked there from wherever they live

[Black/Light]

Now look in whose coat Sakura is sitting in. Got some interpretation for that one too? :p


Ummm, nope, not really. Kak is also standing on the toad and I don't see the slug anywhere. I take this as all the main characters being shown in a cover but it shows Sas as the "Hawk" and Naruto as the "Toad" that they are now (^_^).

And just so that everone knows THIS is the cover people are talking about when it comes to Gamakichi and his new fond growth.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u273/directoranime/Extra%20Stuff/NarutoGamakichi.jpg

[lazyboyrod]

And just so that everone knows THIS is the cover people are talking about when it comes to Gamakichi and his new fond growth.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u273/directoranime/Extra%20Stuff/NarutoGamakichi.jpg

Yeah now we finaly have poof of his growth with the latest chapter.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Yeah now we finaly have poof of his growth with the latest chapter.

i think he need to grow more(take some steriod maybe, just kidding).

[fox26]

I think that Saskue will be able to summon both snakes and hawks and naruto will be able to summon frgos and foxes

what do u guys think?

[Baron Hugenstein]

Well we know that summons can "unsummon" themselves at will as shown when Gamabunta returns home after his fight with Gaara (link (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/136/15/)).

So the idea that they self summoned wouldn't be too far fetched. :amuse

Well, Sasuke had Suigetsu to summon Manda to help him get out.
But Pa is a an elite frog so maybe it is not far fetched

[Forever_Melody]

Well, Sasuke had Suigetsu to summon Manda to help him get out.
But Pa is a an elite frog so maybe it is not far fetched

I don't really understand your example with Manda. :blink

But yeah, we don't know if summons have some kind of self summoning technique. Since they have been shown to be able to use human ninjutsu, maybe they do have some kind of jutsu to move across distances.

[Baron Hugenstein]

I don't really understand your example with Manda. :blink

But yeah, we don't know if summons have some kind of self summoning technique. Since they have been shown to be able to use human ninjutsu, maybe they do have some kind of jutsu to move across distances.

Well, i used Sauske's example to show that the summons cannot summon themselves. Since Sasuke used Manda as an escape plan to dodge the explosion by Deidara. But as we saw, Suigetsu had summon Manda to let Sasuke out of that place/realm

Yea, since there is a rank system within the summons, i think that it isnt a far fetched idea that the elite can summon them without humans doing the actual summons.

[raptor02_2001]

Well, Sasuke had Suigetsu to summon Manda to help him get out.
But Pa is a an elite frog so maybe it is not far fetched

but Suigetsu use blood from Sasuke ( i guess it)

we are off at point

Cover page will affect plot ?? maybe i am not sure some cover page will foresee but not all cover page .. but most of us love cover page becasue we can fill color or play with it in imageview or photoshop

[kthy0056]

Enma also unsummoned himself after Sarutobi died.

[Forever_Melody]

Well, i used Sauske's example to show that the summons cannot summon themselves. Since Sasuke used Manda as an escape plan to dodge the explosion by Deidara. But as we saw, Suigetsu had summon Manda to let Sasuke out of that place/realm.
Well first of all, Manda was on the verge of dying.
Second of all, I see no reason why Manda would even want to come back to that site so saying Suigetsu summoned him is more out of necessity rather than the fact that Manda couldn't(more like wouldn't) do it.

[Baron Hugenstein]

Well first of all, Manda was on the verge of dying.
Second of all, I see no reason why Manda would even want to come back to that site so saying Suigetsu summoned him is more out of necessity rather than the fact that Manda couldn't(more like wouldn't) do it.

True, he was on the verge of death.

Suigetsu did use (supposedly) Sasuke's blood to activate the seal that was inside the scroll and summon Manda. That is a summoning, meaning that Manda has to show up no matter what feels he about it. Plus at that time, Manda was in a genjutsu, so i don't know what he would have done then.

But this is way off-topic.

[Forever_Melody]

True, he was on the verge of death.

Suigetsu did use (supposedly) Sasuke's blood to activate the seal that was inside the scroll and summon Manda. That is a summoning, meaning that Manda has to show up no matter what feels he about it. Plus at that time, Manda was in a genjutsu, so i don't know what he would have done then.

But this is way off-topic.

Well then that example doesn't prove much either lol. All you're telling me is that when summoned, a summon has to come, which we more or less already knew >_> It doesn't prove nor disprove the idea of a summon coming of it's own free will without being summoned.

But yes, it's off-topic.

Back to the current one, I do think covers do mean something, but you have to take them with a grain of salt like everything. Just because it's on a cover doesn't make it fact, but can make for some nice foreshadowing or guesses/opinions.

The easiest ones are the covers of Sasuke with snakes. We were shown these a bit before Sasuke actually did anything post-timeskip and guess what/ He used snakes after! :o
Going by that logic, the covers of Naruto & toads were shown and now Naruto is going off to train with Pa Toad in the sage arts so covers can be used to make deductive reasonings.

[Gingitsune]

To get back on topic, one of the cover catch my a attention:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-096/page002.html

Is it foreshadowing that Naruto will, one day, become chuunin?

[CupofDice]

It seems we got a good look at Myobokuzan mountain from ch 342.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9436/ch342ukpage01nm7.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ch342ukpage01nm7.jpg)

The frogs seem to have closed eyes on the side of their heads. It reminds me of Hiei's third eye from YuYu Hakusho. I wonder if these are genjutsu toads, and will Naruto meet them or summon them in the future.

[Gingitsune]

It doesn't look like Myobokuzan's flora, they don't semms to have tree, from what we have seen so far. Maybe we'll see some in the next week, but for the moment, it doesn't look like.

[Baron Hugenstein]

well, It doesn't have to be a 100% replica.
It does look like it is somewhere wild, in a forest.
And the toad place is a wild place.

[Black/Light]

Those toads are surrounded by huge grass which reminds me of thos huge plaints.

[TanukiUdon]

It seems we got a good look at Myobokuzan mountain from ch 342.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9436/ch342ukpage01nm7.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ch342ukpage01nm7.jpg)

The frogs seem to have closed eyes on the side of their heads. It reminds me of Hiei's third eye from YuYu Hakusho. I wonder if these are genjutsu toads, and will Naruto meet them or summon them in the future.

Closed eyes? You mean their ears? :blink Nah, I think they are just steps. They have the numbers 1-4 on their throats, and the pattern of stairs on their sides. :D

While I think that many of the covers do in fact foreshadow events, many are just the characters in interesting looking clothes/with interesting looking weapons/in interesting places... just to make it look artistic and interesting. Just skimming through a cover archive, I found this really cool looking one.

[X] (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=naruto10027dq9.jpg)

Gaara is hardly a tiger, and Lee will never be able to summon dragons. It's just a really cool piece of art. I think that only when a certain symbol is really consistent like Naruto and his frogs it can be taken as possible foreshadowing. After all, I never saw Naruto get crow powers :amuse

[X] (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=naruto020071vd9.jpg)

[Gingitsune]

The Gaara = tiger vs Lee = dragon isn't foreshadowing nor is it just art for art sake. It's a symbolization of the characters' personality. The tiger is Byakku, patron god of the West, who represent chaos, calamity, natural disaster, etc. The dragon is Seiryuu, patron god of the East, who represent wisdom, order, justice, etc. You see that duality a lot in East Asia's martial arts works, chaotic tigers vs rightful dragons. On the top of my head, I remember a set of posters with Enichi as the tiger vs Kenshin as the dragon and the Hong Kong movie, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

But sure, some title page are just art for art sake, if not much of them.

[duchess of dork]

so, in the end its all random idea for front covers? still i guess front covers give good pointers on future plots. and on that lee gaara, either this will help or is a totally retarded effort to:

Kishimoto's characters represent more than you think thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26060)

[Forever_Melody]

Well yes, you don't read intricate manga details on chapter covers either, but you can bring out conclusions if the covers are repetitive or something of the like.

[ninjaa]

Gaara is hardly a tiger, and Lee will never be able to summon dragons. It's just a really cool piece of art. I think that only when a certain symbol is really consistent like Naruto and his frogs it can be taken as possible foreshadowing. After all, I never saw Naruto get crow powers :amuse

[X] (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=naruto020071vd9.jpg)

Actually, that crow is giving him a weapon. In the manga Itachi (represented by the crow) gives Naruto a weapon too.

[Black/Light]

Actually, that crow is giving him a weapon. In the manga Itachi (represented by the crow) gives Naruto a weapon too.

Nice find who every saw this pic! Itachi (the crow) IS on Naruto's side and did give him power! We just haven't seen it yet.

[fox26]

Naruto definitely needs a weapon thats for sure(Im expecting him to get a sword cause now that he is training with the toads and most of the toads use swords)

[Kusachu]

Haven't read all the way through this thread, but for whatever it's worth, Sakura has been shown with a battle axe on more than one occasion I believe...

Not that she'll ever actually pic up an axe and kick some ass with it because she has tits and that means she is weak.

Why is she weak? Because she lacks...

Penis.

But seriously, I'd pay less attention to the picture and more attention to the little one-liners that are written on the splash pages. Those comments I take to be valid foreshadowing. Perhaps I'll go find some examples sometime when I'm not too lazy to do so...
[hr]

Naruto definitely needs a weapon thats for sure(Im expecting him to get a sword cause now that he is training with the toads and most of the toads use swords)


I once made a thread asking if people thought that Naruto would get a sword to counter Sasukes and the mods deleted it when he learned Rasenshuriken because as the person told me: Naruto's jutsu isn't a sword. So now if he gets a sword, I'm going to gloat my @$$ off. :eyeroll
[hr]

Actually, that crow is giving him a weapon. In the manga Itachi (represented by the crow) gives Naruto a weapon too.

That one actually looked like a hawk to me...:darn
[hr]
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-220/page001.html

That's the first chapter of the Uchiha flashback. I just really like the one liner and how it says, "The beginning of the story", especially since it is not only the beginning of the story of Sasuke and Itachi, but the jumping off point for the telling of the Uchiha and ultimately of Konoha's roots.
[hr]
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-122/page001.html

Read what that one says and then put that into perspective now, having learned Sandaime's role in Konoha history as told by Madara.

[juUnior]

Yeah, I agree that earlier covers could have some prediction thingy about the future events, like with the given examples; and actually cover from ch.6 is somewhat really resembling in a long future training with frogs at Myouboku Mountain - and we see on the cover some kind of mountain xd On cover from ch.11 we see Naruto and.. hawk? Yeah, I could read sth probably in all of the covers from the early days :p Cover from ch.16 and we see a photo of team Yondaime from Kakashi Gaiden already ^^ <Kishi-sama knew all along how his manga is planned> And I don't know if it was mentioned, but on the cover of ch.17, if you look closely at the dragonfly at the bottom of the picture you will see that it's the face of someone from the assistants<!?>.

Gingitsune thx for the info about tiger and dragon, about that cover with Gaara and Lee, I like such kind of info, more meaning to just normally seeing things xD

[benelori]

I don't really pay attention to the covers, but sometimes i read thos lines on the side...anyway, there area few covers which foreshadow things in the long run maybe...but there are ones which foretell things will happen in recent future or even next chapter...check out when oro pops up beetween kabuto and yamato/sasori
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/290/01/

[weehoo107]

heres one. (http://wbcomicshop.com/shop/images/products/shipmonthyr/september2007/STK351795.jpg)

this came out before we knew about Itachi, of course. but when I saw (which was after we knew his secrets) I couldn't help but realize that Kishi drew the lighting strangely. the shadows are cast in a funny way.

ok, it's basically like this: Itachi's shadows are on the outside and Sasuke's are on the inside. if you look at their faces it really shows. maybe Kishi wasn't foreshadowing anything here, but the way he drew it made me think of the facade Itachi has put up around him but how really he's just a gentle person, and how sasuke is deep in the darkness right now.

shit, I'm really bad at explaining things :XD

[Googlez_kun]

heres one. (http://wbcomicshop.com/shop/images/products/shipmonthyr/september2007/STK351795.jpg)

this came out before we knew about Itachi, of course. but when I saw (which was after we knew his secrets) I couldn't help but realize that Kishi drew the lighting strangely. the shadows are cast in a funny way.

ok, it's basically like this: Itachi's shadows are on the outside and Sasuke's are on the inside. if you look at their faces it really shows. maybe Kishi wasn't foreshadowing anything here, but the way he drew it made me think of the facade Itachi has put up around him but how really he's just a gentle person, and how sasuke is deep in the darkness right now.

shit, I'm really bad at explaining things :XD

well,this isn't a chapter cover^^
it's the cover for the 25th volume,so we allready knew some stuff about itachi:p
and i don't know if the shades had a real meaning....

[weehoo107]

well,this isn't a chapter cover^^
it's the cover for the 25th volume,so we allready knew some stuff about itachi:p
and i don't know if the shades had a real meaning....

lol I know. but we didn't know the truth behind Itachi, why he did what he did. we just knew his public lie :amuse
it's just as I see it. just sharing my two cents :)