Shaman King (Flowers) by Takei Hiroyuki

[Tame]

"Hey Hana, you're getting married to your mum, congratulations!"

[kkck]

"Hey Hana, you're getting married to your mum, congratulations!"

Well, its not like hana is a character we would expect to not have mommy issues lol. Tamao is a hardass and his actual mom is a bigger hardass whole neglected him (whether she did it for good reasons is not important).

[Tame]

And at least this Anna is a bit different from the Anna of the Flowers one-shot. She just looked and acted exactly the same as his mum.

[kkck]

So.... any news on the scanlation? If anything by now we are close to the next chapter.

[andysislands]

As posted in the comments section over at Mankin-Trad... Computer RAM issues have slowed the process down. It's in QC, so... soon!

(and next month we have Jehovah (Jahabee/Yahabee), Shaman King Flowers Chapter 5, if there are any cool Shaman King Flowers Volume 1 extras, and other projects... so it will be a busy month on working on things)

Also over at Patch-Cafe all the latest pictures of the upcoming Shaman King figures! (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1011) Yeah... got to buy them all... Already have Yoh pre-ordered (links are a couple posts down if you are interested). Hao is looking better. Anna is kinda "meh," but I'll still buy.

[kkck]

Loved the chapter lol. I am kinda surprised at how she reacted to hana's bit of sheer common sense. One of the main issues with manga (to me at least) is just how much characters focus on developing their combat capacities instead of their real life skills. Its the sheer lack of common sense in the whole thing that gets to me. YOU GO TO FUCKING JAIL! That was beautiful lol. And the chapter actually addressed how the two siblings barely know anything about anything, their lack of contact with the world. In the end, these guys don't even get what they are working for. And by all practical purposes, the asakura household does not do anything at all these days. The only mildly useful skill they had was predictions however it does seem like grandpa asakura is dead. Yoh has precisely 0 real life skills and anna's ability to summon the dead would be only situationally useful in real life (perhaps she would do fine as an historian but still). In the end luca did not even seem to realize that if she killed someone she would have a swat team behind her in a second. At least as far as we have seen there is nothing for anyone to win by taking over the asakura household as in the real world they don't serve an actual function. In the end neither is even a good shaman considering one has a frail body and the other failed at developing an oversoul which would actually be useful in battle.

Kinda disappointed that ryu did not use his oversoul. I wonder just how much it would have changed over the past 13 years.

Anna finally appearing is good. I wonder just how she will be different from the original anna. And who in the hell is anna the second? Does hanna have a little sister he does not know about? I find it kinda boring that she has the same oversoul as his dad. Granted it is an insanely practical oversoul as it basically does everything (fly, defense, offense...) perfectly but it is still not original. I admit I was waiting to see her use the katana she showed in the original one shot. Perhaps later though...



---------- Post added August 07, 2012 at 05:12 PM ---------- Previous post was August 04, 2012 at 12:34 PM ----------

Damn, wish this thread was a little lifelier.... So... any news on chapter 5:zomg:derp:^_^

[Rikudou King]

Completely missed that a new chapter came out. Anyway, I have to say I love how Hana was reprimanding them for a lack of common sense. Also like the reference of his past experience in a jail. And Anna III seems like she's a lot more outgoing and lively then the original Anna. Loved her usage of the Silver Arms.

[Newkerzy]

Loved the chapter lol. I am kinda surprised at how she reacted to hana's bit of sheer common sense. One of the main issues with manga (to me at least) is just how much characters focus on developing their combat capacities instead of their real life skills. Its the sheer lack of common sense in the whole thing that gets to me. YOU GO TO FUCKING JAIL! That was beautiful lol. And the chapter actually addressed how the two siblings barely know anything about anything, their lack of contact with the world. In the end, these guys don't even get what they are working for. And by all practical purposes, the asakura household does not do anything at all these days. The only mildly useful skill they had was predictions however it does seem like grandpa asakura is dead. Yoh has precisely 0 real life skills and anna's ability to summon the dead would be only situationally useful in real life (perhaps she would do fine as an historian but still). In the end luca did not even seem to realize that if she killed someone she would have a swat team behind her in a second. At least as far as we have seen there is nothing for anyone to win by taking over the asakura household as in the real world they don't serve an actual function. In the end neither is even a good shaman considering one has a frail body and the other failed at developing an oversoul which would actually be useful in battle.

Kinda disappointed that ryu did not use his oversoul. I wonder just how much it would have changed over the past 13 years.

Anna finally appearing is good. I wonder just how she will be different from the original anna. And who in the hell is anna the second? Does hanna have a little sister he does not know about? I find it kinda boring that she has the same oversoul as his dad. Granted it is an insanely practical oversoul as it basically does everything (fly, defense, offense...) perfectly but it is still not original. I admit I was waiting to see her use the katana she showed in the original one shot. Perhaps later though...



---------- Post added August 07, 2012 at 05:12 PM ---------- Previous post was August 04, 2012 at 12:34 PM ----------

Damn, wish this thread was a little lifelier.... So... any news on chapter 5:zomg:derp:^_^

Isn't Yoh's wife the Second Anna??

[kkck]

I think anna (the original one) was just anna the first. Even if she wasn't we are still missing an anna by my count.

[andysislands]

I'll write up an article once Chapter 5 comes out... but it basically goes:
Butsu Zone -> Anna I
Shaman King -> Anna II
Shaman King Flowers -> Anna III

Takei played around with the timeline of Butsu Zone after the fact... (originally taking place in 1997, but then moved into the 70/80s I believe)

(Waiting until after chapter 5 comes out, just in case Takei puts in any other pieces of information. And yeah, I'll get around to doing really good versions of Butsu Zone, you know with translations not based on the french releases and then put onto the old french official release. With original color pages... It's like effort!)

[kkck]

spoilers for chapter 5 (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1068)

it seems the manga is still moving rather slowly.

---------- Post added September 12, 2012 at 12:49 AM ---------- Previous post was September 02, 2012 at 01:07 PM ----------

chapter five is out. (http://mangafox.me/manga/shaman_king_flowers/v02/c005/1.html)

---------- Post added at 02:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:49 AM ----------

Ok, even if no one will I will comment on the chapter. Seriously, no comments on this manga?

Finally we get to see hana meeting anna. Ok, technically that happened last chapter but the whole thing is rather hectic at the time being. Anyways, I honestly expected the whole thing to go a tad different. Remember the original one shot when he met anna?
http://mangafox.me/manga/shaman_king_flowers/v00/c000/42.html
His face there made a tad more sense than the current developments. Originally yoh supposedly fell in love at first sight, matamune pointed that out. I am not a fan of the concept of love at first sight however I did kinda expect hana to have a stronger reaction here. Anyways, it is interesting to see that anna the third is actually that different to the original anna. Yoh's wife would have outright murdered him had yoh ever said anything of the sort. It does seem anna the third is somewhat more of a handful though. She might be more cheerful however she also seems to be a tad more cruel (2nd was harsh more than cruel if I recall) and enjoy a tad of that cruelty.

It is a tad interesting that hana's words saved his life. He really does have a knack for hitting where it hurts with his words. His surge of common sense at luca really did save his life. I kinda get the impression that anna was more hurt by the small breasted thing than what she let go. Hana really is a douche here. She came along all happy and crap about meeting her new fiance and it turns out the kids is a damn brat who looks at her breast without even knowing her. In the original one shot she was supposed to fight hana and would become his wife if he won. I wonder if we will see a fight between the two soon enough.

It seems the author is really going out of his way with the clones though. Ryuji is basically a clone of ryunosuke, men is a clone of ren..... I guess in time we will see how they are different from the originals though, thats gonna be the hardest thing for the author to sell here. I mean, hana and anna actually are a decent bit different from the originals after all, it would make sense that he does the same with this guys. In particular men is bound to turn different considering he probably has that severe childhood trauma thing as a non issue unlike ren. He did have a self righteous mother and a ren as a dad though so he is bound to have turned out VERY weird. I wonder if ryuji will actually inherit tokagero though. I would rather see him with a new spirit though. Perhaps an actual yamato no orochi spirit? I guess tokagero already embodies that though.

Seeing hana attack ryuji really got me the impression he is a good match for anna. He also seems to have a bit of a cruel strike to him although perhaps that is just him wanting to fight and relieve some tension from not doing so.

Plotwise it seems the story is finally picking up. I had been wondering what this continuation could be about but I could never place my finger on it. The idea of them having to fight the aliens or something related to them is rather interesting. The idea that they could exceed the god of the world is also very interesting. Taking everything in consideration it makes sense. These guys came along and instituted a tournament to determine the god of the world. How is that plausible? These new enemies have to somehow exceed god if they set up a tournament to become one. Perhaps They are simply a much older race which means their god would have more souls and thus be more powerful. Such a thing would be plain impossible to oppose though.

It is good to see the hanagumi girls were actually just waiting for this and not just waiting to die from old age. I guess it makes more sense they would do this, they are incredibly suited and accustomed to fighting after all. I guess it is a bit of a shame that they had to wait 10 years just to be able to fight though. They really have no real life skills or worth, they are just warriors.

[Cinnabar]

I'm gonna catch up on Flowers soon. In the meantime, I have a question for the original manga.

I don't actually remember the details so I'm asking for clarification: did Yoh just use an advanced shamanic technique (Oversoul, I think) in Osorezan Revoir? How was he able to do that and not be aware of techniques more advanced than Hyou Gattai when Silva tested him for the Shaman Fight? Just something that occurred to me.

I guess Takei hasn't planned out everything yet at the time he wrote the first few volumes?

------------------------------------

And I finally caught up. What an interesting way of introducing a sequel. I'm not sure if I can cram all my thoughts about the recent chapters in one go though, so I'll just say whatever comes up on my mind first. Sorry for the mess.

Okay at first, I was iffy about the sequel simply because I couldn't imagine one. What plot would it have now that the Shaman Fight is over? I'm glad Takei introduced a very interesting plot point in the beginning. I was actually excited about the idea of having the two branches fight over who would be the main branch because that seems interesting and unexpected for me. But now Takei introduces us the reason why the other branch chooses to take over the main branch now, when they could have done it years later when the next Shaman Fight is near. So apparently there's going to be a big fight now that has to do with the origins of the Shaman Fight. Interesting.

I like how Takei can say a lot in just five chapters. The characterizations of Hana were interesting. He obviously has a dad complex, and it will be interesting to see what would happen if he meets his father. At first his attitude reminded me a lot of Anna. He definitely likes to fight, probably because of his frustrations of not having a relationship with his father and having so much potential as a shaman, but not seeing how he could use this power for greatness since the Shaman Fight is over and there's nothing great for him to do. I didn't think I would like Hana that much, but it really shouldn't come as a surprise that I did end up enjoying his character.

I'm glad Anna the Third seems different to Anna the Second. Yeah, there does seem to be a lot of clones in this manga. I'm hoping Takei will portray them as their own individual characters just as he did with Hana. He can probably do it since I think characters are one of his strong points. I also like how he's slowly introducing and re-introducing more and more characters, both old and new.

It kind of bothers me that Hana probably has more potential as a shaman than Yoh - but that's only because I'm biased when it comes to Yoh, haha. Though I think it makes sense how Hana is a lot stronger than Yoh was at that age. It seems to me that Hana is really talented at being a shaman, and he loves being a shaman - to the point where he probably feels down because he can't use his shamanic powers for any great reason since the Shaman Fight is over. What else would he use his powers on? On the other hand, Yoh was more reluctant to use his shaman powers at that age - he doesn't like unnecessary fighting and he doesn't really get serious unless the situation really calls for it - and he's pretty lazy when it comes to training. Yoh is like the underachiever; he can do stuff if only he put in more effort. Meanwhile Hana is like the overly talented kid who's being restrained from using said talents. That's what I think. /OPINION

And woah did Tamao turn a 180. I feel like Takei's taste in women are showing through a whole lot in this series. XD

[kkck]

Not sure what part about osorezar revoir you are talking about... Anyways, before the fight with silva yoh was capable of two techniques that I remember, the hyo gatai and the thing with the nature spirits and leaves, the later of which is one of the first techniques he learned and is a basic shamanic technique (although it kinda looks like an oversoul). Not sure if that is what you are talking about.

Not sure if the author has actually said a lot though... the manga has been going on for some 5 months. If this was a weekly shonen there would be 30 chapters out already. And even then it is only in the 5 chapter that the actual plot of the series was revealed. The third and fourth chapter actually had little revealed plotwise. Basically, the plot of the manga is advancing at a extremely short pace. This is a continuation manga where we are mostly familiar with how the character's techniques work. We as readers do not need slow pace for plot introduction or universe related data, we need stuff to happen to keep it interesting.

As for hana, I am not surprised about him being superior to his dad in terms of talent. He is the son of 2 extremely powerful shamans to begin with. Another thing is that yoh is basically one half of hao of sorts. Isn't he technically incomplete in some regards? Hana does not have that issue. In the end hana has his mothers headstrong personality and vigor and his dads talent (and more) so it is only natural he would develop as a shaman so fast. Not to mention that ryu and tamao are both much stronger superior shamans to the guys who trained yoh, both of them have mastered more powerful techniques which they can pass on.

I do feel there are certain aspects of hana which make him unsuited for fighting. He does say he wants to fight and use his abilities however there is the issue that he also seems to have all the sheer common sense that his dad never did. From what I recall yoh never actually questioned the importance of relevance of his fights in his current cultural context even at the start. In turn hana has shown he actually understands his shaman techniques do not have real life applications. Remember when he fought luca? He was the first to mention that they live in a democracy and if she kills him she is going to jail. Even if he does want to use his abilities, I get the mild impression that one of the reasons he is frustrated is that he does not see an actual purpose in learning those techniques, they make no sense in his cultural context. Perhaps once he actually gets immersed in the shaman world he is going to realize he does not actually want to fight but rather he wants to live a normal live and that even fighting for the seat of god makes no god damned sense.

[Estranho]

I think he is talking about Yoh and Anna's flashback, where Yoh performs an Over Soul with Matamune.

[Cinnabar]

I think he is talking about Yoh and Anna's flashback, where Yoh performs an Over Soul with Matamune.

Yep, this one. It's the one thing that's bothering me. Although I can understand if Takei just wasn't able to plan this far yet when he started. Or maybe he just forgot or changed plans or something. I don't know.


Not sure if the author has actually said a lot though... the manga has been going on for some 5 months. If this was a weekly shonen there would be 30 chapters out already. And even then it is only in the 5 chapter that the actual plot of the series was revealed. The third and fourth chapter actually had little revealed plotwise. Basically, the plot of the manga is advancing at a extremely short pace. This is a continuation manga where we are mostly familiar with how the character's techniques work. We as readers do not need slow pace for plot introduction or universe related data, we need stuff to happen to keep it interesting.

I actually think he said a lot already in five chapters, but that's just me. When I say 'a lot', I'm not just talking about the plot, but I'm also including characterizations and establishing the setting. I mean, Takei already set up a few things for us such as: the mystery of who took the second earring, the second Asakura branch, the upcoming fight related to the orgins of the Shaman Fight, Hana's dad complex and frustrations about not being able to use his shamanic powers for something more fulfilling, what happened to some of the characters (like Tamao, Ryu, Amidamaru, Silva, Hanagumi) after the fight and how they are doing now, contrast between Hana and Yoh, establishing new characters like Anna the Second and Yohane and his sister while giving them characterizations to differentiate them from being clones of the original.

I actually thought the plot was just about the second Asakura branch trying to take over the main branch, haha. And I was just fine with that, actually, because it adds a sense of mystery as to why they would choose to take over the main branch now when the next Shaman Fight is still in a few hundred years. But then Takei sort of answered that with this upcoming fight about aliens or the origins of the Shaman Fight or something, so I felt that the plot is progressing alright since it already answers questions and adds ten more.

Although it's actually been a while since I read any manga though, so that's probably a factor why I felt the pacing was alright. I mean, the last two mangas I read were Liar Game and Hunter x Hunter, and I don't get to read their chapters every week either. So maybe I'm just used to it.


I do feel there are certain aspects of hana which make him unsuited for fighting. He does say he wants to fight and use his abilities however there is the issue that he also seems to have all the sheer common sense that his dad never did. From what I recall yoh never actually questioned the importance of relevance of his fights in his current cultural context even at the start. In turn hana has shown he actually understands his shaman techniques do not have real life applications. Remember when he fought luca? He was the first to mention that they live in a democracy and if she kills him she is going to jail. Even if he does want to use his abilities, I get the mild impression that one of the reasons he is frustrated is that he does not see an actual purpose in learning those techniques, they make no sense in his cultural context. Perhaps once he actually gets immersed in the shaman world he is going to realize he does not actually want to fight but rather he wants to live a normal live and that even fighting for the seat of god makes no god damned sense.

Yeah, this was actually on my mind except you can explain it better than I could, haha. I think him being aware of the cultural context of things says something about how Tamao and Ryu looked after him. It also helps that Yoh is a slacker who grew up in a family full of shamans with great expectations of him for the Shaman Fight. He wouldn't care about the relevance of fighting in a cultural context since he can apply his powers in the Shaman Fight. Whereas Hana doesn't have anything to apply his powers to as far as he knows.

[kkck]

chapter 6 spoilers (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1127)

---------- Post added October 07, 2012 at 01:54 AM ---------- Previous post was October 02, 2012 at 12:27 AM ----------

Chapter out (http://mangafox.me/manga/shaman_king_flowers/v01/c006/1.html)

---------- Post added October 08, 2012 at 02:48 PM ---------- Previous post was October 07, 2012 at 01:54 AM ----------

Ok, in spite of few people commenting or even visiting the thread I will continue to comment on released chapters.

Wow, tamao really went plain apeshit here. No common sense was ever used and precisely no f****s were given at any time. She just went and straight up destroyed a house. Who would have thought tamao would be the first good guy to completely disregard common sense and do whatever she pleases? And then she would have the nerve to point out the social services thing.

What does shugen even mean? I have been curious of what the ultimate shugen is ever since the initial one shot was released although I didn't actually expect it to be a standard oversoul just punching things. Its pretty damn badass for little old she tamao. It is quite impressive she can use a divine class spirit that easily though. Who would have thought she had it in her? Even that guy from the fallen angels could only control his divine class angel for a fews seconds and yet we see tamao doing it rather confortably. I guess the angel spirit was just about 30% stronger than the tengu guy though. How did tamao end up with harusame? I wondered just why hana didn't have it considering it should mean quite a bit for amidamaru however I did not expect tamao to use it. It has nothing to do with her spirit to boot. To be honest I was expecting yoh to still have it. I can't help but wonder what yoh is doing with his oversoul these days. Could he have inherited his dad's spirits? Or perhaps he kept SOE?

Anyways, as far as the fight went I am surprised that tamao had such an easy time. Does that make sense? Why would yohkyo have such a weak OS? I mean, he was using a divine class spirit and is supposed to have an insane amount of power. Even if his body is weak the issue should not be that he has an outright pointless OS. Interestingly, it does seem as if yohkyo is an onmyo as hao was. I wonder what other sort of abilities he will posses. Interestingly, it seems as if there also is someone behind the branch asakura guys. I wonder who could possibly do that?

On the matter of hana, it does seem as he is plainly a douchebag. I guess he does have a lot of baggage but overall he does not even try to be friends with others. It also seems as if like his dad did fall in love with anna at first sight.

Yohane seems to have somewhat more common sense in an ordinary setting however he is still weird. A pointless death threat like that would never have an effect, specially after having already being defeated.

I guess we can't help but wonder just what else tamao and yohkyo talked about.

[Raijatsu]

When did Tamao get so rutheless?
I cant remember her going all out like this in the classic Shaman King,
here she seems even more cold blodded than Ana 2nd

[Rikudou King]

Finally had time to get caught up. Still really enjoying Hana's personality, and love the fact that he's a boob man. I can pretty much understand where Hana's coming from, marrying someone with his mother's name is pretty weird. Speaking if which, Anna III has an enjoyable personality too. Love Tamao going wild against Yohkyo and Hana's interaction with Yohane at school. Can't wait to see what this "Flower of Maze" event ends up being.


When did Tamao get so rutheless?
I cant remember her going all out like this in the classic Shaman King,
here she seems even more cold blodded than Ana 2nd Well she was gonna kill Ryu way back when, and she got pretty serious against the Hanagumi during the tournament.

[harukafebruary]

i'm so glad hiroyuki takei-san continue this.
so far i'm enjoying this manga,
i like hana's personality and how the story begun
but i agree the some of the character designs are clones from previous characters
well, it's too early to decide thou..

[kkck]

chapter seven spoilers (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1159)

[Rikudou King]

Poor Yohane, so soon forgotten. Can't wait to see Anna III's class introduction. And wasn't there a pyramid-headed guy in the Shaman Fight?

[andysislands]

And Shaman King Flowers Chapter 7 (http://www.mankin-trad.net/shaman-king/flowers/flowers-07) is out by Mankin-Trad.

Here's an interesting point Alumi brought up.... She said that her father was Native American. Notice that she didn't say her mother, or "parents." So that's killing Rutherfor as the mother at this point. Otherwise it's a "transitional" chapter between the action. I'm sure the next chapter will up the ante.

[Tame]

Is it just me that finds Alumi immediately very annoying? On the whole I stil haven't made up my find on Hana and Yohane either; I think I need to go back and read the first five chapters again.

Also, I assume it's going to make sense later on but right now I'm finding the good guys effortlessly over-powering all their opponents slightly jarring.

[kkck]

This certainly was a strange chapter lol. Too much randomness involved although it all was reasonably fun.

To be honest I was quite disappointed by dakyo... I thought he would be stronger than what he showed, I expected his swordsmanship to be on par with amidamaru to some degree and be an actual rival. With his backstory it makes sense he is weaker than amidamaru however seeing the earlier chapters it would have seemed daukyo was something to be feared. I feel this chapter kinda ruined him a bit and made him more into a tokagero.... On the other hand, we got to see amidamaru being all badass for the first time in a while. Who did not miss that? Ever since the introduction of the oversoul amidamaru was reduced to a secundary supporting character even though he has a lot of knowledge and power himself.... his only signficant development in the past manga was his evolution into a seirei spirit (Not sure of the term right now). I wish we would see more of amidamaru every once in a while although understandably he is not a main character. I feel kinda sorry for daikyo though. He seems to have been born in the wrong time, someone meant to use a sword to fight. Conversely, he could have been just apeshit stupid and learned how to fight poorly in an outdated way.

I find it interesting that daikyo would want to learn from amidamaru... It seems a tad weird that ghosts can even learn stuff and become stronger that way. Of course, hana and yohane are supposed to fight at some point so such a training could be counterproductive.

On that new guy... well, at least he has an spirit which has forgetten his form so he should be reaonably powerful. I wonder if he is an asakura though.... I can't imagine yet another party here. Something about that ghost reminded me of that yohkyo though.

I do find it interesting that suddenly hana and yohane become friends even if that happened last chapter. I guess the issue is that the two of them were ultimately extremely lonely... It is a bit cruel that hana would scare yohane so much though. I don't think yohane would have screwed up as much as hana thinks overall.

As for illumi, she certainly seems to love the attention. Is it me or she suddenly looks a lot less like anna though? Even from last chapter she seems extremely different. I have to admit how I find it hilarious that illumi would completely screw yohane and hana in precisely 5 seconds though. He made yohane into a queer with an eyepatch and hana into a queer who likes big boobs and has a fiance.... Cold, unforgiving revenge(for the boob thing) lol, she might even be crueler than anna the second. Poor hana ....

[Rikudou King]

Funny chapter, especially at the end. Doesn't look like she'll let the boob thing go anytime soon. Hope we get to see some more classroom fun. I'm actually enjoying how different Alumi and Yohane are from how Anna and Ren were.

[Maxy Barnard]

As much as I'm enjoying Shaman King Flowers, the main thing that's got me madly into it is Alumi's character design. Takei's design sense has been a bit... awry in recent series, so seeing him do something as simple and clever as what he's done with her just makes my day.

Well, that and she's super cool, that helps.

[kkck]

I dunno, for me alumi's design seems a tad strange. Hasn't it changed a decent bit over the chapters? Didn't she start out looking a tad more like anna? It seems like the author has relied of facegags to change her appearance without us noticing or something even if she was introduced rather recently.

On another note, I have to say I dislike how the manga deviated from the original one shot released years ago. In the one shot we had hao appearing early on and anna appearing in awesomeness to challenge hana to combat. What happened to dueling her for her hand? I was really expecting hana to win that fight only to realize that he got himself engaged.... Why hasn't men been introduced for that matter? Will he be changed from what he was in the one shot? At least I hope he is introduced different and not just some weird stuff through facegags or something lol. I wonder if manta will ever appear again lol.

[andysislands]

And initial Chapter 8 spoilers are up on Patch Cafe! (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1183)

Now for my thoughts...

Ugh.... Yahabe is now canon in SKF? Takei... this was just suppose to be your backup plan to make lots of money by cashing in a kids card game manga.... Well... I guess I need to move up that scanlation higher on my list to work on...

I did like the movie posters though!

And at least 3 pages of color to start off the next chapter. Since Volume 2 is coming out... and it's the start of volume 3 of manga...


---------- Post added November 11, 2012 at 11:54 PM ---------- Previous post was November 10, 2012 at 07:02 PM ----------

Dit has added her summery to the chapter 8 spoilers at Patch Cafe... so if you haven't read it since then.. you should go back and do so!

Also.... "Mankin Fanbook 2" to be included in the next Jump Kai issue. (From Shaman King Nation (http://shamanking-nation.com/english/shaman-king/mankin-fanbook-2-to-be-included-in-jump-kai/)) December is going to be very busy then.... since we will do fanbooks (they just aren't nearly as fun to do!). Hopefully it's short!

[kkck]

Is this yahabe manga available anywhere? I have searched but I can't seem to find it. Maybe I go the title wrong...

[andysislands]

Mankin-Trad hasn't scanlated it yet.... Since it was just a random oneshot at the time, so why bother and push back other releases? Now that it matters... we are moving it up on our list. Sometime after Flowers 8 (which I'm going to start working on later today...).

Also was partly waiting for the English release... since that looked likely that Viz was going to license it (and they might stilll... but it might be combining the character into Flowers may have introduced contractual issues).

---------- Post added November 30, 2012 at 08:47 AM ---------- Previous post was November 15, 2012 at 02:03 PM ----------

And the cover of Mankin Fanbook 2 has been released! Also I included a small preview of Shaman King Flowers volume 2. Both image are included in the Chapter 9 spoiler post at Patch Cafe. (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1212)

http://www.patch-cafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MankinFanbook2.jpg

The comparison shot makes this look as big as the original Mankin Fanbook.... I don't think we have enough content for that yet.... But we shall see! (That Mankin Fanbook was 291 pages for reference) Also, not much of a fan of the cover... but it's to be expected of Takei at this point.

[kkck]

Woot, chapter out :)
I found this two frames to be a tad funny. Not sure if this is weird or signifies the two of them should be making babies already...
http://www.mangareader.net/shaman-king-flowers/8/18
http://www.mangareader.net/shaman-king-flowers/7/34

Anyways, the chapter was fun. I didn't quite realize luka was attending a thug's school, that was a bit weird. To boot it seems she is also the only girl there. Its like she is begging to get rapped except that she is a powerful shaman capable of defending herself with all the shaman skills which otherwise would serve no purpose in real life.

Funny how anna caught them precisely at that one weird moment. I laughed quite a bit when she just appeared and caught them, well, red handed.... I do wonder if yohane is a tad gay though. He acts too "funny"... Or maybe it is just his social awkwardness and wonder at the world he didn't know that makes him act that way.

Anyways, funny how the author took a jab at us readers and made hana say it was obvious allumi would end up living with him. Hana should be a tad more excited if he plays his cards right he could get some. I guess he is well within his right to be scared considering hana at large seems to have the common sense to not want a kid at age 14 (yoh was 16 when hana was made though). On the upside anna could end up as a grandmother before she is 40.... GILF anyone?

[andysislands]

Shaman King Flowers chapter 10 (http://www.mankin-trad.net/shaman-king/flowers/flowers-10) scanlation is out! It's the action chapter. Some may even say the "plot twist" chapter! But lots of good stuff in there!

Also, there is a new Wonder Festival... so maybe more Shaman King figure news!? I think so. And Dit over at Patch-Cafe has already put up the first fan model, Yohane (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1280)! We'll of course be on the lookout for any new details!

And in US manga sales news.... Shaman King Volume 19 has sold very well on Viz's digital store! Maybe since it's one of the best arcs? Hey, we'll take it! Maybe it's enough for Viz to reconsider getting KZB in a digital only format!?

[kkck]

That was definitely a cool chapter. I never would have imagined that little hana would have been blasted via gun shot into 1000000 little pieces as a baby. Its a bit of a surprisingly dark turn.

I do wonder why hao would want to plant that power into hana though. We had never seen anything past the cho oni and now he is able to produce dark onis? I am kinda surprised yoh didn't run into those when he did his death training and fought the cho onis. I guess the dark onis are simply something different... I guess the other issue would be just "who" exactly is the personality that seems to take over hana when he releases the onis. Is it hao himself? Or is he some servant of hao's? It is also interesting that the very oni within hana is the one created by anna all those years back. i guess it is fitting. I wonder if we will ever see hana using amidamaru and cho oni in an oversoul. It would be very fitting in some ways, hana using his dad's main spirit and the oni birthed by his mom. In a way its like hana and cho oni are actual brothers. I guess cho oni is driven by actual brotherly love. Still, turning into a dark oni is weird, it does seem like the ability got out of hand.

The other thing which surprised me was that she was able to use yohane's oversoul just like that. Why would she be able to do that? Using an oversouls is a matter of imagination however that was still neither her spirit or medium. Perhaps it had something to do with daykyo being stone?

As for the core of that cart oversoul which yohane implied took over his sister.... I have a theory for it. What if it is actually an ancient branch house asakura? The ability to nullify fukuryo was if I recall taught in the cho senji ryaketsu. It would make sense a powerful shaman would become a powerful spirit so perhaps that was an old asakura who mastered at least elements of it and now is out to get the branch house alongside yohkyo. It would explain why it would take over her and try to kill hana even when a truce was reached.

[Rikudou King]

Gotta say, that dark oni looked awesome and I really hope we get to see it again in the future. Didn't think Luca was really being controlled, guess I should have expected that. Alumi coming to save the day was a surprise, and I can't wait to see what Hao is up to and why he brought Hana back to life.

[kkck]

chapter 11 spoilers are out. It seems like it is going to be a good chapter. (http://www.patch-cafe.net/?p=1296)

[Maxy Barnard]

Looks like it'll be a great chapter, but... Man, Takei's really spreading the Shaman King franchise all over, having more Zero chapters on the horizon and whatnot. I mean I love his work enough to be fine with it, but damn

[kkck]

Any news on chapter 11? It has been a while since the last one...

[Nensense]

Any news on chapter 11? It has been a while since the last one...

You know, you could always check Mankin Trad's website.
But there isn't a chapter this month because Takei is taking a break this month. She apparently didn't give a chapter for Jumbor or Ultimo either.

[andysislands]

The last 2 months were really busy for me...

Don't worry, we'll be back on "schedule" starting next month. So it all works out in the end. Plus with the delay, we'll probably include the poster in with chapter 11's release.

[kkck]

BUMP! CHAPTER OUT! (http://mankin-trad.net/read/flowers-11/)

Nice long chapter, and so the plot thickens.


I was a tad disappointed by the meeting between the asakuras and hao. I thought we would actually see more. Its somehow fitting that the first word that hana would learn is dummy.... Kinda like the first thing he had to learn is how insult people. Probably learned that to have something to call his father by. I wonder what it is that they extorted hao with though. Is it the time we saw his mom slap him?

I was a tad surprised by the oni revelations this chapter. Its one thing that there is an oni type beyond the cho oni but shit gets real when there is an oni that not even hao could suppress. Why would hao have to do that? For that matter, why would reviving someone be difficult for him?

I guess the biggest clue in the chapter is the other god thingy it had going on. Why are there 2 gods, 2 shaman kings? If that is true then the entire first part of the manga kind of trolled us. And then we get to the somewhat metaphysical discussion of whether the shaman king can truly be god if there are 2 of them.

Anyways, as far as the other god thing something did come to my mind.... During the first part of the manga we saw that the last patch guardian used an alien as a spirit. It was aliens who originally introduced the shaman king tournament to earth perhaps to study the shaman king itself. Now, if they had a shaman king in their world... would that mean that their world has their own independent shaman king or would it be the same as the one on earth? Perhaps that is what lead to two gods, each planet and civilization had its own god. Of course the alien one would be older by far and due to the sheer amount of souls that would exist there (potential more than in our own shaman king) due to the longer time existing it would be actually more powerful than hao. Perhaps the other god is the reason hao had trouble reviving them. If that is the case then I still have no clue of why an allpowerful oni would be planted inside hana.

Somehow I expected hana to actually require medical treatment. Usually severe head trauma is something which would have hospitalized people in this manga. Perhaps the onis also healed him though.

[andysislands]

BUMP! CHAPTER OUT! (http://mankin-trad.net/read/flowers-11/)

Nice long chapter, and so the plot thickens.


I was a tad disappointed by the meeting between the asakuras and hao. I thought we would actually see more. Its somehow fitting that the first word that hana would learn is dummy.... Kinda like the first thing he had to learn is how insult people. Probably learned that to have something to call his father by. I wonder what it is that they extorted hao with though. Is it the time we saw his mom slap him?

I was a tad surprised by the oni revelations this chapter. Its one thing that there is an oni type beyond the cho oni but shit gets real when there is an oni that not even hao could suppress. Why would hao have to do that? For that matter, why would reviving someone be difficult for him?

I guess the biggest clue in the chapter is the other god thingy it had going on. Why are there 2 gods, 2 shaman kings? If that is true then the entire first part of the manga kind of trolled us. And then we get to the somewhat metaphysical discussion of whether the shaman king can truly be god if there are 2 of them.

Anyways, as far as the other god thing something did come to my mind.... During the first part of the manga we saw that the last patch guardian used an alien as a spirit. It was aliens who originally introduced the shaman king tournament to earth perhaps to study the shaman king itself. Now, if they had a shaman king in their world... would that mean that their world has their own independent shaman king or would it be the same as the one on earth? Perhaps that is what lead to two gods, each planet and civilization had its own god. Of course the alien one would be older by far and due to the sheer amount of souls that would exist there (potential more than in our own shaman king) due to the longer time existing it would be actually more powerful than hao. Perhaps the other god is the reason hao had trouble reviving them. If that is the case then I still have no clue of why an allpowerful oni would be planted inside hana.

Somehow I expected hana to actually require medical treatment. Usually severe head trauma is something which would have hospitalized people in this manga. Perhaps the onis also healed him though.




(Poster will be with Chapter 12... working to see if we can get it to be a 1:1 ratio... you know, just because)

As for the "Other god" I look at it more this way. Shamans bring back "dead people." So the Shaman King is really the god of the dead. So the other god would be the "god of the living." I could see Takei playing around with something like that. And of course, you can have things that blend the line there, like with aliens. This would allow Mu to be the Shaman King's land and whoever the other god would have their own land as well.

Additionally, the power of the "living god's followers" may only affect the living (not spirits). So that's why the spirits needed to be taken away, since they may be less effected.

[kkck]

Well, a god of the living would be a weird approach here. The great spirit has a very clear explanation in regards to its nature. Its a conglomeration of spirits of great power and within it spirits form societies with other similar spirits. Now, what would a god of the living look like? Would it be a god in a more traditional sense? Or perhaps a spirit with power so overwhelming it can individually match up to the great spirit? Of course the living are not quite going to unite to form another god.

In particular the manga used the term "other" god. In light of that I would think the manga suggests the other god would be something similar to the great spirit itself. Otherwise it would make more sense to refer to it as something different to what they consider to be god, not as another...

[rogueSleipnir]

Takei is really pushing it with all the "Flower" references :P.


Alumi staying with florists now huh.

Anyway, from google I saw it said that Rutherfor (Alien Patch Guardian) had alluded to the "Flower of Maize" during the previous Shaman Fight. In which chapter was that?

Also, Alumi stated in the first chapters that the Flower of Maize was the next battle or phase now that the King has been appointed. She said it was the "battle for the sky", IIRC. Is there any mention that this battle happened before?

Here's my theory: The Shaman King, specifically our Earth's Shaman King is the Captain for the said Battle for the Sky. And there are other Kings, probably from other Planets?? And that pyramid thing is an alien.

Edit: So they only used the term "other god", so I presume that there's only a singular threat. Maybe it is an alien/race that wants to destroy the earth and that the SK is the earth's greatest force against it.

We also should remember why the alien gave humans shaman-tech, which was to study the heart.

[Sarex]

I just finished Shaman King and Flowers and I have a question. Is Yoh alive in Flowers?

[Raijatsu]

We don't know yet, it can be presumed he is in hiding or dead, though Haoh would just revive him if needed.

[Sarex]

What is confusing me is that in that last chapter of shaman king we see Anna and Yoh alive and well, and Hanna is older that he was when he got shoot(so we know that the chapter takes place after the shooting), but in flowers it is alluded that Yoh is not alive.(at least that is the feeling I got from it)

[kkck]

I just finished Shaman King and Flowers and I have a question. Is Yoh alive in Flowers?

Yes, the timeline does suggest he is alive and everything. Shaman king ended with yoh as an adult going home to hana when he was even younger than now. The age hana and yoh appeared to have suggest this took place after the two of them died and were revived.

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raw out! (http://www.mangadog.com/Shaman-King-Flowers/12/1/)

Cant wait for the translation