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Franco
January 06, 2008, 05:53 PM
Title: Hunter x Hunter
Genres: Adventure, Comedy, Fantasy, Shounen
Author: Yoshihiro Togashi
Artist: Yoshihiro Togashi
Publication: Shonen Jump
Start Date: 1998
End Date: On-going but on a hiatus, again
Number of chapters at review: 261
Number of chapters read by reviewer: 261


General Overview: Gon wants to be a hunter so that he may follow in his fathers footsteps, and decides to set out on a quest to become a hunter and to eventually find his father. His quest will take him around the world meeting new people and stuff, and he ends up fighting a lot, and i really start to hate his character later.

Category Ratings: (1-10 scale)
Theres going to be two ratings, 1st arc & 2nd, then everything after first arc.

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Art: 8 , 3
Wow i really liked this manga when i started reading it, i got into for the reason that my younger brother was watching the anime so i was well that's cool. The art starts off very detailed with good attention to detail nothing bad at all, very well executed. A little later on some white backgrounds less detail but nothing to worsen the characters.
2nd arc looks great too, starts to falter a bit here and there with empty backgrounds, more of a here's the situation now lets plug in the people, but for some reason, every once in awhile it gets better so it was all bad considering 2nd arc was my favorite, 3rd arc and later, suck donkey balls, it isn't even art then, its just sketches characters start to lose defining features, backgrounds die off, layers? what's that?

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Plot: 8 , 5
Yay i like this plot, its pretty cool in fact it reminds me of the game 'Arc the lad' if anyone knows about it. It progresses in a nice fashion too. Not any big plot twists though nothing to make u go holy smokes, but something u could see coming even if u didn't know how the author did it, you would be a bit more like wtf, that's a horrible reason to explain how that happened... It further adds new challenges for the characters in the series by making them learn new things so they can be on par with other hunters.

The current arc that their in and the one before that suck. You can tell the author has run out of things to do, because nothing is making much sense any more, at this stage, in the mind of the reader is acceptable to say that gon and his friend are top tier hunters and the series should end but its not going to... The arc before this one though i must admit had a cool thing going on by using a "card system" but then it got old.

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Characters: 6 , 6
Its the same thing it never changes for both versions, characters are great and memorable, nicely drawn and very different from each other. Different skill sets and all, they even have their own backgrounds to further flesh them out. Then that's where the problem is, you just spent 3 chapters reading about someone, u never see them again.... They are so important to the story, but they never come back, or they die really fast, I don't know what its but characters come and go faster than anything I've seen in any manga. The author makes a point to try to make every person encountered a memorable character that is going to be significant only to be never seen from again... i don't like it at all

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Themes: 9 , 9
Same shounen themes as is replicated in every other one friendship, trying hard, putting your mind to work, its what you would expect nothing new but then again thankfully he doesn't screw this up at all he executes it in a good fashion

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Originality: 9 , 5
The main idea behind the first two arcs were great, the fashion in which they were performed was run-of-the-mill to be exact but it was nice and enjoyable.

the latter was a bit more on the side of, are u serious? This bites donkey balls, because for its drawn out, and very long, longer than it should be, 3rd arc was pretty original actually but i know its been done before and in a better fashion, current is just the end of the series kind of thing, more like lets milk this sucker.

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Overall: 8, 2
To be honest for your own good, just imagine the manga ends after the second arc, its not worth read afterwards, it starts to become really pointless and exaggerated.

I'm going to re-do this


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renrutal
January 07, 2008, 01:01 AM
What the hell, can't you name the arcs? Like Hunter Exams, Zaoldyeck Family & Celestial Tower, Genei Ryodan, Greed Island and Chimera Ant arcs?? That's far from spoiler-ish.

More I read this, less you make sense.

You're telling everyone to do not bother reading Genei Ryodan and Greed Island story arcs? Are you nuts?


Try to keep things a little more constructive please, and a little less abrasive

woof
January 07, 2008, 02:01 AM
HxH has never been a manga witch defined it self by great art, the story is just awesome and gets better with every arc

sry, I cant agree with your review


be careful when leaving comments, we don't want to start any bashing

Dark-Kaomi
January 08, 2008, 06:10 PM
The art does get sloppy at times and is hard for me to understand at points. But, I personally love this series and rank it in my top ten. I just hope the author will continue soon.

Musashi_Keiji
January 09, 2008, 03:52 AM
Seriously what a horrible review...
As it was said already HxH isn't a manga known for its "art". For it it's all about the story and complexity of using Nen.

Since you didn't actually say up to what part is arc 1,2, and the rest.... I'll just the only point at which the manga is really ever stale is during the first half of the GI arc, its finale is pretty awesome.

Also on the art being just sketches in later chapters, it seems you weren't informed that the mangaka was on hiatus because he was quite sick. Those chapters are chapters he did while still in a bad state. The book volumes of those chapters are actually redrawn.

Mooncrow
January 09, 2008, 01:13 PM
Franco will be re-doing this review this week, so please keep that in mind :p

Obxist
January 11, 2008, 03:13 PM
The review need to be more objective :D ... looking forward for the revision :D..

Heres some simple reviews from me :

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Art : 5.5
As usual i am talking about art complexity ... just like naruto this manga is simple but got a nice art :D though later on Chimera Ant Arc the art is really dropping... too bad its because Togashi-sensei is badly sick... but he promise that the tankoubouns version of Chimera Ant Arc will got better art..

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Plot : 8
i really like greed island arc but somehow genei ryodan arc is kinda down.. overall plot score 8 :D HxH got a good story

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Characters : 7
Characters is good though some of them is not well introduced and lack of development.

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Theme : 6
Nothing much new.. and until now the main theme that i got is about friendship :D

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Originality : 8.5
Okay i love HxH idea... a "Hunter" is really a new idea... the world that they created full of mystery :D... really i love the "Hunter" thing :D

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Overall : 8
Good manga..You should read it though its not a must :D

Luckas
January 11, 2008, 06:37 PM
Sorry if I appear banal but I totally agree with Obxist review and I'm happy to find someone who loved the Greed Island arc and wasn't fond of the genei ryodan arc, from what I get reading some forums the general consensus is different.

Imho, HunterXHunter is a very solid shonen manga not a masterpiece but a very good manga and very enjoyable. The plot, even if not very original, is interesting and Togashi created some characters very fascinating, so much it is a shame they weren't developed more. Unfortunately the author had some problems and so the manga suffered a lot.

abu_89
February 19, 2008, 06:19 PM
Besides the Chimera Ant arc, the series was awesome.. :D

redcometfm
February 25, 2008, 08:45 PM
HXH is definetly one of the best mangas out there.

The story is very good first off, it flows very nicely, and has bits of character development sprinkled throughout (better than most shonen mangas). The art is also superb, despite the few scribbly chapters in the Chimera Ant Arc. Togashi has that 'minimalism (sp?)' style and it just adds a very cool and relaxing style to his art and story that makes it stand out.

My only complaint is that the Greed Island Arc got a little too convoluted with its RPG rules for my taste. And I'll admit honestly that I'm not a huge proponent of RPGs.

angelz
March 04, 2008, 11:52 AM
I like the Chimera Ant arc.. the only thing i found annoying is the 2 years of hiatus and another few weeks of hiatus. It kinda disrupt the story mood.

For me, HxH is one of the best manga out there, definitely in my top ten and definitely higher than Naruto but that's not saying much as I've stop reading/watching Naruto.

shibigoku
March 04, 2008, 02:29 PM
you do know that the mangaka is terribly sick and is making an inhuman effort to finish the manga? otherwise his girlfriend (sailor moon's mangaka) will take over the series which would mean ULTIMATE SUPERBEAUTIFUL MOON LIGHT death for this manga. So make an effort to appreciate the arcs even though they're falling in quality.

I personnally think this manga has/had the potential to be one of the best mangas out there. It's pure shounen with martial art, clans, upgrades, techniques, insane enemies, etc...

redcometfm
March 04, 2008, 03:54 PM
you do know that the mangaka is terribly sick and is making an inhuman effort to finish the manga? otherwise his girlfriend (sailor moon's mangaka) will take over the series which would mean ULTIMATE SUPERBEAUTIFUL MOON LIGHT death for this manga. So make an effort to appreciate the arcs even though they're falling in quality.

I personnally think this manga has/had the potential to be one of the best mangas out there. It's pure shounen with martial art, clans, upgrades, techniques, insane enemies, etc...

Unless youre a troll, I want you to take a moment to go and research what you just claimed and give it a thought. (in reference to the first paragraph)

tapeworm
March 05, 2008, 10:03 AM
Didn't know the manga continued! This makes me very happy \o/

Since I only watched the anime before, I've got some questions... After the Greed Island Story Arc comes the Chimera Ant arc, am I right? Anybody who knows when the Chimera Ant arc starts? Which volume?

Thanks

ibra87
March 05, 2008, 10:46 AM
You can start from chapter 185, which is volume 18. That's where Gon gets to choose 3 cards to take with him.

zabycx
March 06, 2008, 03:31 PM
What a terrible "review". Maybe you should retake 5th grade English first. HxH is not a manga aimed at 12 year olds. There is death, complexity, logical fight systems, genocide, etc. It skirts the edge between Shonen and Seinen while making itself palatable to those looking for the former. In a sea of shonen series with protaganists winning fights by sheer willpower, bad guys changing sides because they were "forgiven" once by the good guys, and incredibly predictable story arcs, HxH is a breath of fresh, Cynical air.

Drakrami
March 07, 2008, 12:00 AM
what's with this crap score you're giving hunterxhunter. HunterX is easily one of the top 5 mangas of all time. The only problem with it it's the consistency of the author.

Tathagata
March 07, 2008, 12:01 AM
First off, because this is your review, and thus your opinion, I can make no comment regarding your opinions, as to whether you are right or not. However, even though it is not my place to put a review up, I would like to put my two cents in.

Hunter X Hunter was one of the first longer series I got into, and was one which I read on the tails of Flame of Recca and Rurouni Kenshin. Now, generally speaking, I was a bit apprehensive about starting Hunter X Hunter, but I gave it my usual 2 volumes to decide whether I would continue reading or not, and I have not been disappointed since.

This is one of my old favorite mangas. As you mentioned, the series does vary from point to point in artistic quality, and with a little knowledge of the mangaka and his illness, it is easy to understand why. However, what I think is interesting about this series is development of the characters, and I think that is a testament to the overall story of this manga.

When it originally went on hiatus, I was heartbroken, but understanding. I had become deeply attached to the characters and Gon's various interactions with them, and more than anything, I was hoping to see Gon find some peace with what was happening in his life.

For that reason, among others, I was overjoyed when I first heard that the series would be coming back, even for a short amount of time. As with any story, when you become attached to the characters, you begin to lament with them when bad things happen, and rejoice when good things come about. And I think that is a necessary point of this manga that you may have missed.

Even after all the time it was gone, I was still wanting to know what happened next.

So yes, even if the art does suffer at times, and perhaps the arcs are not always as entertaining as the original ones, but Yoshihiro Togashi continues to develop the characters, making them more unique, and at the same time, easier for the readers to relate to.

While many mangas do this, it is perhaps that reason why HxH went back to the top of the page of mangahelpers, and why people were willing to take the project up again after such a long wait.

Again, while I must respect your review, I think if the review is to be representative, it is well worth mentioning the emotional impact this series has in its development, and is something which I think you were lacking in your review.

--Tath

zabycx
March 07, 2008, 02:08 AM
While I can understand where you're coming from, wanting to "respect" his review, that idea is completely unnecessary and a byproduct of the Politically Correct age. Just because someone is being civil doesn't mean you have to respect them, anymore than you'd respect an extremely polite salesman at your door attempting to sell you the cure to lung cancer in the form of magnets on bracelets. Some things simply deserve derision.

Tathagata
March 07, 2008, 05:39 AM
No, as a matter of opinion I am respecting his opinion of the series. How is it I can tell him what he thinks is wrong? His opinion on this piece of work, as it is, is still his. The same principle would apply in judging a piece of art. One person may like it, while another may not.

What you are suggesting with your example is also a completely different scenario, with a different set of qualifiers. I think comparing someones opinion against your own is far different from someone trying to shill a blatantly false product at you.

To outright say that his opinion is wrong is both rude and unnecessary. I stated my case as to why I think differently. Approaching it in any other manner would be, as I said, rude to both myself and to them. If I can politely say what I needed to say without resorting to some banal forum bashing, I would much rather do that.

The anonymity of the forum is hardly an excuse for being rude.

manu
March 07, 2008, 05:49 AM
wow, Tathagata is a stand up guy.

I hardly find much use in these "reviews" and believe mangaupdates serves better since it has polls for the manga. Though I won't dismiss this opinion, HxH is not everyone tea. It is a polarizing manga in that it gets strong responses.

zelllogan
March 09, 2008, 05:47 AM
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Art : 5

Reading Hxh scans is really bad for your eyesight. i know that scans aren't the final work but still ... it's horrible. The design is not bad though. The final work is way better but it's still not a masterpiece.

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Plot : 7

It's just a classical shounen (new enemy, become stronger, new enemy). The plot is classic but HxH's background is one of the best.

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Characters : 9.5

For me, Characters are the real strength of this manga. Gon and Killua have nothing in common. In common shounens, gon and killua were destined to become rivals but not in Hxh. These two are friends no matter the odds. There is a real evolution in killua's character and Gon's character doesn't need any evolution. Gon isn't a powerhouse (even if his potential is the best in the world ... it's still a shounen :D) but his superhuman obstination and his simplicity are what's make gon a perfect hero. Gon is not original by himself but because killua is with him, we have an original duo.

If it was only for the good characters, the note should be only 7/10. But the bad characters are just the best you can find in the shounen world: hisoka and genei ryodan. I'm not going to talk about hisoka because it would take too much time. Let's analyse genei ryodan instead. In all adventure shounens, when there is a bad organisation, it's almost always the same thing: mysterious unbeatable strong men who want to conquer/destroy the world ... who are beaten as soon as we know more about them (one piece, naruto, black cat, dbz, bleach, fairy tail, ...). Genei ryodan is different:
- no mask, no hidden identity, ... when genei ryodan is shown, everyone from genei ryodan is shown
- what's ryodan's final goal ? We still don't know
- the leader is the second one trapped after ubougin (just find me another shounen with that fact).
- even if genei ryodan is defeated by the chain-user, they still seems very strong and deadly. Even if the leader was trapped by kurapica, everyone knows that the leader is a monster.

In Hxh, even a monster can be defeated in one second, everything isn't about raw power or experience. Almost every battle in Hxh is a "Shikamaru battle" : use your brain if you want to win. And more than the brain, use psychology

And that's possible because of one notion: NEN.

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Originality : 8


- Almost every battle is won with brain or psychology
- there is a tournament BUT it's a reverse tournament with only one loser ... and the loser is one of the two hero.
- NEN
- sexual allusions
- ...


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Overall : 8

If only these ants weren't there, it would be a 9.

Dantrag
March 11, 2008, 11:13 AM
Again, the major drop of the quality of the is a direct result to the long time illness of the mangaka. He has indeed been doing a major effort on writing this manga despite his conditions. I agree they're far from pleasant and hopefully they'll be fixed later.

And a small piece of advice for Zabuck and Drakrami and others as well. Nothing gives you the right to bash and trash the review or the reviewer just because you don't like his/her review. All reviews no matter what will be influenced by the personal tastes of the reviewer and remember it's his/her opinion. It doesn't nescessarily mean the reviewers opinion is the absolute right one but neither is yours. If you can't discuss a review without bashing, don't discuss at all because the only thing your bashing will cause is that MH-staff will no longer allow people to comment on the reviews. I think most people here, including me would want keep the right to discuss the reviews in a civil manner...

RoyalLush
March 12, 2008, 10:21 AM
The first review...well it's kinda a mess. Personally I love Hunter X Hunter, though the art does get sketchy, Yoshihiro Togashi is reported very ill during this time. He's an old man and things like that happen. His wife, creator of Sailor Moon, is trying to help him finish it.

I don't think it'll turn out that bad with her doing it...they've been married for a long time. I'm pretty sure that the Bishies in YYH and Hunter X Hunter were part of her doing in the first place lol.

Sometimes it's hard to picture Manga Artists as people too, but try.:notrust

Kallandras
March 12, 2008, 11:33 AM
Like Tathagata and Dantrag I think its not right to insult someone just because he gave his peronal opinion. A simple I dont agree with you is enough. That is what the principle of freedom of opinion and democracy is all about.

The thing I love most about hunter x hunter is the way the main caracters grow stronger. There is no sudden level up which apears just in the nick of time to rescue our heroes. Gon and Killua are still no match against the older Nen users like the genei ryodan, morau or even Shoot and Knuckles. I really appreciate the fact that you can only belong to the very best after countless years of training and experience even if you are a natural talent. This is an unique feat that nearly no other manga has ( for example Sasuke suddenly finishing Orochimaru or other Akatsuki members or one piece characters developing new skills whenever some unbeatable characters come around).
It just makes me wonder how they should be able to defeat the royal guards.....

hill_mie87
March 13, 2008, 11:59 AM
you do know that the mangaka is terribly sick and is making an inhuman effort to finish the manga? otherwise his girlfriend (sailor moon's mangaka) will take over the series which would mean ULTIMATE SUPERBEAUTIFUL MOON LIGHT death for this manga. So make an effort to appreciate the arcs even though they're falling in quality.

I personnally think this manga has/had the potential to be one of the best mangas out there. It's pure shounen with martial art, clans, upgrades, techniques, insane enemies, etc...

well, togashi is married to the sailormoon mangaka u know. but yeah, cant imagine the character being beautified like sailormoon. :) nevertheless, i like the storyline

Freerunner36
March 14, 2008, 11:39 AM
Again, the major drop of the quality of the is a direct result to the long time illness of the mangaka. He has indeed been doing a major effort on writing this manga despite his conditions. I agree they're far from pleasant and hopefully they'll be fixed later.

And a small piece of advice for Zabuck and Drakrami and others as well. Nothing gives you the right to bash and trash the review or the reviewer just because you don't like his/her review. All reviews no matter what will be influenced by the personal tastes of the reviewer and remember it's his/her opinion. It doesn't nescessarily mean the reviewers opinion is the absolute right one but neither is yours. If you can't discuss a review without bashing, don't discuss at all because the only thing your bashing will cause is that MH-staff will no longer allow people to comment on the reviews. I think most people here, including me would want keep the right to discuss the reviews in a civil manner...



A review, or more so a, "Critique," shouldn't include the writers own personal impressions from the piece. A Critique by all literary standards is an unbiased laying down of the facts either positive or negative.

To tell you the truth, opinions aside, that was a bad review. Lots of repetition and the author swam in and out of, "txt tlk." There were whole run on paragraphs basically making one simple point. Much of what he was saying was hard to understand; except that "Something bit donkey balls." (Which is a ridiculous statement in ANY review)

To the Author:
Make that review half as long and in complete English and It'd be decent. Tone down your opinions, keep the facts, rephrase single ideas so they don't take a paragraph to say.

To the potential Readers:
Read a different review. (Anime News Network) Though this one does address many truths it hardly does this Manga justice and it's worth your time to read a much more objective review, or just go ahead and read the manga yourself.

njt
March 15, 2008, 06:03 AM
To the Author:
Make that review half as long and in complete English and It'd be decent. Tone down your opinions, keep the facts, rephrase single ideas so they don't take a paragraph to say.

To the potential Readers:
Read a different review. (Anime News Network) Though this one does address many truths it hardly does this Manga justice and it's worth your time to read a much more objective review, or just go ahead and read the manga yourself.
Nice comment :).

Thanks everyone for taking the time to write your different opinions as well :).

Also could I get 4 images from the manga? Keep them in spoiler tags, and at a width and height no greater than 500 x 500. Thanks :ossu

Oblivion
March 15, 2008, 05:41 PM
What a terrible "review". Maybe you should retake 5th grade English first. HxH is not a manga aimed at 12 year olds. There is death, complexity, logical fight systems, genocide, etc. It skirts the edge between Shonen and Seinen while making itself palatable to those looking for the former. In a sea of shonen series with protaganists winning fights by sheer willpower, bad guys changing sides because they were "forgiven" once by the good guys, and incredibly predictable story arcs, HxH is a breath of fresh, Cynical air.

qft

hunter x hunter even in this arc is more then just a seinen, gon and killua are complex, even the enemies like pufa are given complex traits, the whole ryodan is great. the enemies arent bland but intelligent wits who think before acting.

great manga through and through. only time i got bored was the mid part of the GI arc and the mid part of the Ryodan arc.

zellogan's comments on the characters and originality (especially sexual allusions) are a good read.

Destiny510
March 21, 2008, 10:25 PM
If anything, I find that the Ant arc dives even deeper into the psychology of not only the protagonists, but also the antagonists. I don't see how the Ant Arc is "bad" at all. I'm glad this manga isn't turning into a "charge up and use superior power level + willpower to overwhelm the opponent" type of series.

zelllogan
March 22, 2008, 08:39 AM
If anything, I find that the Ant arc dives even deeper into the psychology of not only the protagonists, but also the antagonists. I don't see how the Ant Arc is "bad" at all. I'm glad this manga isn't turning into a "charge up and use superior power level + willpower to overwhelm the opponent" type of series.

after the last chapters, it's easy to say that. But the beginning of the arc was catastrophic, it was slow and the basic idea was horrible. From the beginning of the manga, we have seen hardworking people mastering nen with a lot of sacrifices. And now, we have ants mastering nen in 2 weeks like it was nothing. And the charisma of the ants is at level 0 if you compare them with genei ryodan or zoldyeck family.

And, at the graphical/design level, the ant arc is the worst by far. King's design is just another cell.

And last but not least, there are more battles in the last arc than in all previous arcs. More battles means less development.The actual battles are great but the first ones ...

tim098
March 26, 2008, 03:50 PM
I ve always thought Hunter X Hunter actually had the potential to be THE VERY BEST of them all. Especially right before the greed island arc, because i seriously ABSOLUTELY appreciated the genei ryodan story. Really found it fantastic. Greed island was definitely not bad at all, the card thing going on was pretty cool. Chimera ant.... Well in my personal and honest opinion I was quite sad because one of the things that i LOVED about this manga was its realistic-ness, especially up to just before greed island. It seemed REALLY feasible to me. But after chimera ant arc, it becomes much less. Well, I just hope he doesnt end the manga in a hurry.

OH and i really really like togashi using Both Gon and Killua as the main characters, roughly equal strength overall, equal potential, and very different personalities.

Ratings:

Art : 6.5
Plot : 8.5
Characters : 9.5
Themes : 7. Before Chimera ant and maybe (possibly) greed island, 10.
Originality : 8.

HxH is my personal favourite manga:D

vattu-
March 27, 2008, 12:10 PM
Well, not to bash or anything, nice long and good review kinda.
Just that you should try to simplify your explanations.

And about letting the manga stop because, "gon and killua are top 'tier' hunters"
made me wonder if you actually read the whole manga.. Yeah, they're kinda good hunters
better then average probably (comparing to the old guys), but why should the story end when
Gon becomes extremly good hunter? The whole point of the story is to watch Gon grow and get stronger AND ____find his father____

EDIT: I posted this after reading the first review..

Umbra Wolf
March 27, 2008, 12:13 PM
after the last chapters, it's easy to say that. But the beginning of the arc was catastrophic, it was slow and the basic idea was horrible. From the beginning of the manga, we have seen hardworking people mastering nen with a lot of sacrifices. And now, we have ants mastering nen in 2 weeks like it was nothing. And the charisma of the ants is at level 0 if you compare them with genei ryodan or zoldyeck family.

Well the basic idea was not bad at all in my opinion but the pacing was indeed horrible.
But I have another problem with the concept: We're talking about a worldwide invasion. Call Gin, hire all of the Zoldycks! Don't appear with your bodyguard, your secretary who is useless when it comes down to fighting and take two kids and two apparently random guys from the street. This ain't a game like Greed Island it's about the extinction of mankind but less people seem to care than to finish a video-game. It appears to me striking illogical.

Maxy Barnard
March 30, 2008, 01:49 AM
Okay, There are certainly SOME misconceptions here. I'll try to clarify some of them.

The whole 'long term illness' thing, is and presumably always will be, rumour. The explanations that generally apply to the WSJ editions being in poor quality and far apart are pretty much easier to swallow.

In WSJ, the editors are often considered cruel, forcing series to continue on past their mark (e.g. dragon ball going past the frieza saga, against toriyamas original intentions), or offering little to no breaks a year. Now around the end of YYH it is said that Togashi's sheer popularity was at a peak, and he could hold some control over what he did, else he could stop drawing in readers, something crucial at the dark period WSJ was nearing, or in, i forget. As such, he gets a good payrate, more breaks, and through his own choice was allowed to work with no assisstants, and most importantly, broke out of the forced continuation thing.

Then came his next series, hunter x hunter. With this he was further in with his life with the sailor moon mangaka than before, and spent as much time as possible with her, and even more once he had a child some time later. These long absences are usually applicable to this, as hunter x hunter takes massive breaks and yet loses no ground with shueisha due to the popularity of the series.

And the quality of his art is rapidly produced, by himself, for WSJ, in whatever bouts he manages, and has the final versions worked on in his breaks to be released in tankobon format.

A good example of this would be when he returned last october. he did the poor quality chapters for 10 weeks, then had another ten weeks off, in which he produced the final quality versions for the tankobon, released when he returned, for, and i love this, another ten weeks. hopefully this pattern continues.

but basically there you have it. theres also some use of his time where apparently he gets addicted to rpgs, but i dont know much about that.

hopefulyl that gives you more of an idea of what COULD very well be the case, and seems the closest answer to the truth, considering Shueishas 'Togashi-ism'

fallou
April 05, 2008, 10:39 AM
One thing I'd say about HxH is that i'm glad it has survived. Of course, it's not as good as it was when it started, the chimera ant arc is really lame sometimes, and the art sometimes makes you think:what the heck is togashi makin fun of us?. But it was such a promising shonen at the beginning that i just can't help but think that things are gonna be better.Weirdly, my favorite arc is the Genei Ryodan one, because it's really different than usual shonen, it's very adult, violent, and sometimes complicated.

weixiaobao
April 27, 2008, 02:03 AM
well, i planning to read this series for year after falling in love with yuyu hakusho anime, though after looking at yuyu hakusho manga, which was a turn down for me because of the art..

Well, i first glance my opinion was "cool, another shonen.." but the plots getting darker and darker as the story progress.

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Art: point range 4-9 avg 8 out of 10
Good, didn't annoy me, and not a negative factor, well some of the characters and places design was super, but other times was very typical and expected.. in the middle/beginning of the Chimera Ant arc, the art was a bit less than average at time ..

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Plot: lowest 6 highest 10 avg around 9.2
At time the plot is pretty unpredictable especially when the readers try to predict which side characters going to play a huge role.. It is quite moving at least for me who read almost the entire series in 2 days and not have to wait week by week.

the first arc and follow up was very very good .. and Genei Ryodan/ Greed Island was darker and surprising .. and after that Chimera Ant arc just turn the whole series into another Claymore/ Berserk ..
Though the Chimera Ant arc i believe is appearing way too early in the story, and should have waited a bit more for the characters to developed.. But because it is the way it is the story developed much faster and was very unexpected.. (I skim through the Chimera Ant arc instead of actual reading)

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Characters: point 10, excluding the Chimera Arc
I love hxh characters, some though appear briefly yet very very memorable. I am fine that they didn't have thorough screen time or develop more before they die because I refer that than the there are flaw in character development..

the antagonist (excluding chimera ant arc) especially ryodan were especially awesome.... some are quite unique even comparing to other series ..

the main characters .... wonderfully developed, all of them have certain flaws in which make them even more likeable ..

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Theme: perfect 10 out of 10
if we just describe this as typical shonen jump, then this probably an understatement.. Tagashi-sensei bring these basic theme in a different kind of level .. in the "friendship" category there are more than just sacrifice more than just silence bond.. the friendship between Gon and Killua especially in the chimera arc had developed in such deep deep level and in such a way that even way way beyond naruto-sasuke or etc friendship.

In "Trying, not to give up" theme.. the story also show giving up, also show people who have their dreams shatter, who have the will but do not have the strength, which but one cannot help but feel pity and sincere.. which give it a realistic feel.. Some only death will end their struggle.. Gon, the main character, put his life out there couple of time reinforce this theme..

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Originality: 9+
I don't really read that many manga in an otaku level yet but this series really got my respect , and keep surprising me .. In my limited view the originality is very good.


Edited to conform the review to the review template (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23940).

xblkdrag0nx
May 06, 2008, 03:13 AM
Like most ppl, I'm not a huge fan of the Chimera Ant arc but I find the King and Gou's relationship very interesting. There are some points in the Chimera Ant arc that are quite fascinating like Killua finally figured out that a needle was buried in his head, etc. I hope that this series doesn't end after this arc since there is still some much development and loose strings.

Sagara
July 20, 2008, 05:51 PM
Like most ppl, I'm not a huge fan of the Chimera Ant arc but I find the King and Gou's relationship very interesting. There are some points in the Chimera Ant arc that are quite fascinating like Killua finally figured out that a needle was buried in his head, etc. I hope that this series doesn't end after this arc since there is still some much development and loose strings.

Yeah I feel that same way, the Chimera arc has got its interesting parts. I really enjoyed the beginning of the new arc but now its just getting boring for me :(

The anime rules though and I hope it doesnt end soon, and it comes out of hiatus

OdaForPresident
July 31, 2008, 05:59 PM
I kinda agree with the review, most of this series has been great, everyting exept the ant arc. Personally greed island was my favourite arc. The great thing about this manga is that the way the main characters is very natural, training, training and training, mostly the basics. Very different from sudden power increases like bankai, hollow mask, rasengan, gear second etc. Too bad about the art work though. Anyone know why the show got so crappy? I read somewhere the author got sick or that there where contractual issues, anyone know something more?

EDIT: Just read the rest of this topic and now know he's sick, real shame.

Maxy Barnard
July 31, 2008, 06:32 PM
keep in mind that the illness is by and large fan speculation, the more common reasoning people are looking at nowadays is the one detailed in my post further up the page.

after all, we wouldn't want to feel too sorry for someone who's not sick or injured, like the mysterious absence of Koji Inada due to illness at current eh

Azrael
August 08, 2008, 05:07 AM
I loved this series but the thing that really irritated me was when Togashi went on hiatus at really odd points in the chimaera ant arc and that just ruined the flow of that arc completely. The whole series was incredibly complex, especially as no two people have the same Nen techniques and that Luciflur can steal Nen tecniques which also seems to render people unable to use Nen, and the ideas were interesting for all the different arcs.

The really unique thing about this series I think was that you found out all you really needed to know about Gon in the first arc and everything after that was an add on really. The relationships between people are really interesting in this, for instance Killua's relationship with his family is rather dysfunctional and Kurapika is willing to sacrifice everything to get revenge. Gon and Hisokas relationship is on a whole new level, I mean who would think of putting two enemies in situations which almost makes them seem like friends and rivals while also putting in the fact that Hisoka also seems to constantly think about either fights or killing Gon.

The whole story has lots of interesting points plus some incredible artwork (and some incredibly shoddy artwork). This is definately one of my all time favourite manga(s?).

(Win! I got the ultimate answer post!)

davisxmonster
August 24, 2008, 09:31 PM
... .also he thinks about molesting gon.

dont tell me you don't remember how he stared at their butts on GI, or when he was talking about gon, and there were radial speedlines coming out of his crotch...

but it is a very interesting relationship.... and it ties in with the character personalities.

Gon: Think buhdda (Unless it offends you) He can clear his mind, think calmly ib nost situations, see the flip side in every situation.... etc

he's not very bright, but he is wise.

Killua: Analytical, and street smart, but nowhere near as open minded as gon.

Kurapika: The avenger.... that's about it. He is rather flat compared to gon and killua, but that's not really much of a problem.

Leorio: This one's a mystery since he hasn't been fleshed out.

petocities
September 10, 2008, 02:11 AM
As many people said, i have to say this is one of the best mangas out there.
I mean, the idea is quite original, it has a LOT of good characters, art kinda sucks after some time, but while following the anime, it is awesome; the sotry is complex, ready to be developed into any direction while keeping a very, very good argument; and if maybe not all the time, but most of it it keeps you quite entertained.

We all know that the ant arc wasn't the best, but until that, it was (if not) the best manga out there. I REALLY hope Yoshihiro keep this going as when it began...

Lockdog
September 22, 2008, 07:22 PM
just to add, on mangashare theres the full manga uploaded and viewable online, and there its goes till chapter 280, as long as i read the story till now, it always continues with the same refrain, gon and killua training and powering up, beating everyone


cant wait till 6th october then the manga drawings will be continued :)

Xavi
October 13, 2008, 07:46 AM
Actually HxH is one of my favourite mangas.
It has got a top story, nice and slow character development which is spread well through the story (always some little bites of charadevp.)
And for the art, i love the drawing style of hxh it's like very abstracted, there are just the most necessairy lines and lines are very clear and percise and the whole style is very calm hxh shares toghether with naruto my n1 shaman king is just a little beneath

Jammin
July 11, 2010, 04:47 PM
I just read through HunterxHunter and i gotta say i don't agree with the scores it's gotten at all. Here are my thoughts.

Number of chapters at review:310
Number of chapters read by reviewer:310

General Overview: HunterXHunter is a story about a kid named Gon who goes off to join an organization called the Hunters and find his father, who was himself a legendary hunter.

Category Ratings: (1-10 scale)

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Art:2
The art is passable when it's at it's best. Unfortunately, it's only at it's best maybe 10 to 20% of the time. The rest of the time it's absolutely terrible in every aspect, and by that i mean it looks the mangaka doodled it on a napkin at some bar after a looong night of drinking. I give it a 2, which is the lowest rating i can ever remember giving for art, and make no mistake HunterxHunter has thoroughly earned it.

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Plot:4
It starts out good but fades in the stretch. The story telling is remarkably unfocused and most arcs just don't have enough story to justify their length, even by battle manga standards. The arcs also don't fit together well at all. They don't tie in to a greater plot because there really is no greater plot. HunterxHunter seems to just be a collection of Gon's adventures, each more clichéd than the last, which is why I give it a 4.

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Characters:6
There are very good characters in this series but their potential is all too often wasted by the authors tendency to abandon the majority of them at the end of each arc in favor of introducing new characters. There is really only one character that could be considered a permanent cast member of HunterxHunter besides Gon himself, which is just not enough to carry through this series' long and weak plotted arcs. I give it a 6 just because there are some good characters here even if they never get the chance to be developed they way they deserve.

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Theme:4
At the beginning it seemed to be going for "The Joy of Adventure", but unfortunately that gets left behind at some point in favor of a more plot driven narrative. Still, i'll give it a 4 for the initial effort and in the hopes that one day it will return to that promising theme.

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Originality:4
The only aspect of HunterxHunter that is really original is the amount of violence and killing it includes in it's fights. It's a lot more brutal and deadly than is typical in the shounen genre. That alone earns it a 4. The rest of this series is just a bunch of parts that other stories have done before and done better.

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Overall: 4
As much as i hate giving a manga that gets this much love a low rating, i just don't think HunterxHunter is very good. If it's ever going to improve i think it will need to bring focus, direction, and a stronger central cast to it's story. It also needs to strike out on it's own and quit manufacturing it's arcs out of bad shounen clichés. Until it does that i think a 4 is about the best rating i can give it.

Shinichiro
July 12, 2010, 05:04 AM
I just read through HunterxHunter and i gotta say i don't agree with the scores it's gotten at all. Here are my thoughts.

Number of chapters at review:310
Number of chapters read by reviewer:310

General Overview: HunterXHunter is a story about a kid named Gon who goes off to join an organization called the Hunters and find his father, who was himself a legendary hunter.

Category Ratings: (1-10 scale)

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Art:2
The art is passable when it's at it's best. Unfortunately, it's only at it's best maybe 10 to 20% of the time. The rest of the time it's absolutely terrible in every aspect, and by that i mean it looks the mangaka doodled it on a napkin at some bar after a looong night of drinking. I give it a 2, which is the lowest rating i can ever remember giving for art, and make no mistake HunterxHunter has thoroughly earned it.

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Plot:4
It starts out good but fades in the stretch. The story telling is remarkably unfocused and most arcs just don't have enough story to justify their length, even by battle manga standards. The arcs also don't fit together well at all. They don't tie in to a greater plot because there really is no greater plot. HunterxHunter seems to just be a collection of Gon's adventures, each more clichéd than the last, which is why I give it a 4.

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Characters:6
There are very good characters in this series but their potential is all too often wasted by the authors tendency to abandon the majority of them at the end of each arc in favor of introducing new characters. There is really only one character that could be considered a permanent cast member of HunterxHunter besides Gon himself, which is just not enough to carry through this series' long and weak plotted arcs. I give it a 6 just because there are some good characters here even if they never get the chance to be developed they way they deserve.

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Theme:4
At the beginning it seemed to be going for "The Joy of Adventure", but unfortunately that gets left behind at some point in favor of a more plot driven narrative. Still, i'll give it a 4 for the initial effort and in the hopes that one day it will return to that promising theme.

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Originality:4
The only aspect of HunterxHunter that is really original is the amount of violence and killing it includes in it's fights. It's a lot more brutal and deadly than is typical in the shounen genre. That alone earns it a 4. The rest of this series is just a bunch of parts that other stories have done before and done better.

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Overall: 4
As much as i hate giving a manga that gets this much love a low rating, i just don't think HunterxHunter is very good. If it's ever going to improve i think it will need to bring focus, direction, and a stronger central cast to it's story. It also needs to strike out on it's own and quit manufacturing it's arcs out of bad shounen clichés. Until it does that i think a 4 is about the best rating i can give it.

I both agree and disagree with you on this review, but more importantly...I feel like you've completely missed Hunter x Hunter's main virtues.

1) The nen system. Oh my God, the nen system. This is the single best superpower system to have ever existed in a manga. It has infinite possibilities, yet definite rules, and is extremely customizable. This alone makes the series SO worth reading and earns it many, many originality points. And maybe character points, if you consider the whole unique-distinctive nen a part of that category.

The nen system is a part of this huge, creative, expansive, believable world the mangaka has created. How many other manga can you think of that have characters with non-combat superpowers that are still awesome?? Because the mangaka has created a functioning society and world, these sorts of things are possible and pretty damn awesome/unique.

2) Hunter x Hunter manages to preserve a definite hierarchy. So while the protagonists may be super-prodigies, this just means they can move through the ranks faster in their infinitely huge world. In many manga, the protagonists outgrow their opponents, leading to a ridiculous trend of power escalation and hidden societies of secret villains. Basically, the author plans poorly and the characters run out of reasonable growth room. Because Hunter x Hunter has such a huge world with so many special, super-talented, and powerful people, the protagonists really don't have that problem. This makes the stories more interesting (you like reading about people's rise to power, not what happens when they're actually in power) and the characters more sympathetic, since we identify with people who are moving up in a big world, but not with people who have already conquered that world and now have nothing to do unless the author thinks up some new threat. This alone adds quite a few points to the story category.

I'd agree with many of your criticisms, but I'd like to hear how you rate other manga. I myself tend to give most series 5s if they're truly average, since that is, well...average. Most people here, however, toss out 8s and 9s to stuff that they deem "alright" or "pretty good"...or have lost all objectivity about.

As one of the better series, I'd give Hunter x Hunter 5s/6s for the most part except for in its few areas of excellence. And it's those few virtues that make it worth reading.

Jammin
July 12, 2010, 08:55 AM
The links in my sig mostly lead to some other reviews of mine so, if you want to see the general ratings i give you can look there.:)

Your 1st Point) I liked the nen system just fine but it honestly didn't strike me as all that special. A mysterious force(or forces) that makes the impossible possible, whatever you decide to call it, is a fairly common trait of manga. Just look at chakra in "Naruto", reiatsu in Bleach, Magic and Ki in "Mahou Sensei Negima", Magic cards in "MxO", Devil Fruit and Haki in "One Piece", Yoki in "Claymore" etc etc etc.... Each have their own rules and conventions and the character in all those series find their own ways of using them. Nen works fine and i really don't have a problem with it but a way of fighting alone isn't enough to carry a story so it doesn't really effect the scores in my review all that much.

Your 2nd point) Actually i think of HunterxHunter's hierarchy is fairly typical of shounen. The way it handles relative strength is the same way as One Piece. As the protagonist travels the obstacles become greater and greater. Unfortunately, it likes to throw bits of Bleach in there too. Where villains are so strong relative to the hero's they have no need of moving intelligently or working as a group. And the various antagonist's strength doesn't seem to be so much a result of training or experience or anything. They seem like they were mostly just created that way. Which makes the whole thing just reek of "deus ex machina".

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Despite all it's problems i think HunterxHunter does have the potential to get better. It's got good characters scattered through it and the basic premise is pretty good. It may be like a library of miscellaneous shounen clechés but there is nothing wrong with a cleché as long as it can still entertain. That's the problem with HunterxHunter, as it is, it's many flaws sap away all that is good about it. To me large stretches of the story felt lifeless and uninteresting. Whether it was due to a poorly written arc, terrible artwork, constantly wasting time developing side character who ultimately have little meaning to the narrative, or how a broader plot-line never really emerges.

Perhaps, as you say, i'm missing the main virtues of the series but i read through 310 chapters really wanting to love what i was reading and i could not. If you read it and got a more positive impression then me i am glad for you but, sadly, i do not share that opinion.:(

Hamy
July 13, 2010, 12:07 AM
I do think you missed the mark on some things.

Originality for instance:
Only claiming
The only aspect of HunterxHunter that is really original is the amount of violence and killing it includes in it's fights. It's a lot more brutal and deadly than is typical in the shounen genre. That alone earns it a 4. The rest of this series is just a bunch of parts that other stories have done before and done better.

Has to be the biggest disservice you can do for reviewing this series when what makes it shine is not so much its fight but having the most richly created world out there. Few manga rival the creativity of the world that Togashi makes, from the auction system in Yorkshin to the game of Greed Island (which made many clamor for a video game to be made, that indeed did happen in the Wonder Swan) to the many beasts he creates. Heck the Hunter exam and the Tower Battle are easily very well conceived in their variety. Nen what you've missed out with it is precisely how balanced it is in its own way, limitations and such that prevent them from truly being broken (I mean Kurapica's ability could easily have topped for being one of the most broken however the strain and the strict restrictions placed on it balance it out) Of course what you also would miss out is just how well other mangas did try to follow suite from restrictions after HXH, which is predates the mangas you just mentioned. There is a strong reason for all the restrictions namely that it isn't brute strength that dominates in HXH but strategy and cooperation.

Another thing you missed out with hierarchy is that strategies matter strongly in battles, a lot more than in other shounen. The main characters are strong and talented but like any shounen they face of against stronger foes, which they do train for but ultimately their victory lies in the strategies they formulate. The Bomber battle is a good case in point for this. Another thing that you've missed here is that its only in HXH where most of the time its not the main characters receiving power boosts during battles but rather the enemies, the ant arc shows this off quite well.

Of course the biggest issue I have with your comment is this:
constantly wasting time developing side character who ultimately have little meaning to the narrative

I would argue that the side characters are easily more important at times than Gon is, who takes a back seat to them rather often. The side characters are highly necessary for the narrative more often than not as they help smoothly with the strategies being laid out, how can one disclaim Senritsu's importance in the Yorkshin arc or just the ant arc now with the choices being made by Palm and the other remaining resistance. Or Pakunoda, arguably of the most important side characters to emerge in the Yorkshin arc who was vital to Kurapica's plan. One false move BY the SIDE/SUPPORTING CHARACTERS could easily lead to failure, brute force isn't the answer to everything in HXH. Cooperation is vital most of the time both with the protagonists and the antagonists, after all one of the most dangerous groups around in the series is the Spiders of whom they all have such strong solidarity which they are tasked by their leader to preserve at all costs. This I feel you missed out strongly if you only consider the characters in such a way. Clearly HXH isn't following the normal tropes of shounen itself as it does indulge in its milieu and society that it made up rather than the characters. Which is what the series wants rather than its narrative. Moreover, Togashi unlike all other authors has such a grasp of the zeitgeist of real society itself. We see it being incorporated into his manga, one of the early shounen to actually insert cell-phones and the internet (heck even the popularity of MMO's & Card games resulted in GI). HXH is manga where it world is still constantly evolving and changing, one that continues to be explored, that is where its strength lies. If anything I noticed its the location that sets the narrative/plot rather than the other way around, after all we have a gangster story in a noir like city (Yorkshin) a cheerful fantasy game land MMO (GI) a wild nature preserve of man vs beasts (Gorteau) an isolated rich mans world (Zaoldyek's manor). The joy of adventure is there but... Adventure is not necessarily always joyful but it is nonetheless educational, as Gon is exposed to so many things and grows with each new city/place.

Yes the art is variable but calling it the worst art without any note of Togashi's condition during the scribble phase is quite misleading. Yes it is terrible, and I have even voiced strongly against it on other discussions, but it is still necessary to consider that it doesn't permeate the entire series to call it all "scribbles". Perhaps on long shots of characters it does appear to be his weakness. Close-ups however are his strength. But the "scribble" phase only appeared at the end of GI to the early parts of Chimera and not the entire series.

Jammin
July 17, 2010, 11:47 PM
@Hamy
First off you really need to spoiler tag your stuff. The review section catering to those who may not have read through the series being discussed? So if you put any information about a series' characters or arcs outside of the first chapter it should always be spoiler tagged.

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Now on to the points.

The originality of HunterXHunter is hardly that impressive to me because it is borrowed primarily from other shounen and video games. The things it took from the video game series Arc the Lad is the most striking(the hunter guild and hunter exam for example); all of which predate HunterXHunter by the way. That's basically what HunterXHunter really is at it's core an elaboration on ideas taken from shounen and video games. The places, creatures, and, plots all just seem like ideas borrowed from other series without the author adding much of his own to them.

As for strategy in battles HunterXHunter's fights started out as decent but as the series progressed that quality has dropped like a stone. The bad guys become so ridiculously powerful that they just Aizen thier way around. Sure the good guys use strategy but if only one side is using strategy then it can hardly be considered a quality fight. I don't think the age of the series is any excuse for this either. I mean, i think the gold standard for strategic battles in shounen is probably Naruto at the moment and it's about the same age as HunterXHunter(HunterXHunter began publication in 1998, Naruto in 1999).

As for your point about the way side characters are handled you are accentuating the very point i was trying to make. You see the side characters are quite good, as i've said, but the problem is that most of the time they are abandoned after each arc. So the effort that was spent developing them is lost at the end of the arc and never contributes to any broader narrative. The character that are developed along the way in this series might be able uplift this series if they were ever given the chance to do that, unfortunately they aren't.:darn

As for the art. You will notice in my review i did specify that it isn't always terrible i'd say the breakdown of the art is like this...

200ish chapters were absolutely unacceptably bad

80ish were ok. Nothing all that impressive but told the story just fine.

30ish were actually good. Really conveyed the emotions of the character or the excitement of a battle.(These are primarily the most recent chapters)

Hamy
July 18, 2010, 12:29 AM
@Hamy
That's basically what HunterXHunter really is at it's core an elaboration on ideas taken from shounen and video games. The places, creatures, and, plots all just seem like ideas borrowed from other series without the author adding much of his own to them.

I think this may easily be one point we don't agree with ever. Whether you consider Togashi to not add anything of his own or not. In my case I think he does well in adding his own twist or building up on what already exists and TRANSPOSING it to a totally different medium (from videogame to manga). While as for the creatures, heavily inspired by real life ones, I don't see these as being without value added of fantasy. Again as I see this it seems to be something you feel strongly against. Also... its not so much Arc the Lad that is the major influence of an RPG but if you're aware of his earlier works you'd realize its Dragon Quest (his biggest obsession, one that he's even been noted to go on hiatus for just to play...) Though really this is where research pays off.
In fact for most part his ideas are built up from his earlier works. Such as Gon being a dead on for the little kid at Level E combined with Yusuke's father arc. And yes even guilds existed in his earlier works, only now he puts more efforts into creating a solid organization which include how to join. So I hardly think that the hunter system came from Arc the Lad when its more reminiscent of his early works that and the concept appears more akin to the job system of Final Fantasy (another one of his great loves, well he loves video games) Though HXH is mostly created for his & his wife's passion for collecting things, as was stated in an interview long ago.


As for strategy in battles HunterXHunter's fights started out as decent but as the series progressed that quality has dropped like a stone. The bad guys become so ridiculously powerful that they just Aizen thier way around.
Understandably this applies to the latest arc and to one certain character to who obliterated a bunch of people. Otherwise I don't recall any other solid instances of bad guys just making their way around, without regard for hierarchy or hierarchy being established as they do make their way around. In fact for most part when one considers it there are actually very few major antagonists...
For most part we had the hunter exam but then aside from Irumi and Hisoka the rest weren't really major enemies just people trying to hinder or become an obstacle to the test. While in battle tower no real major enemies, just a bunch who would pick on the weak, other than Hisoka (but again he's not REALLY much of an antagonist with plans other than wanting a fight). Then we have the geneiryodan who is more or less specified for Kurapica, Gon and Killua just happen to interfere and bring themselves into it, but in the end they're just thieves with no real major objective. In fact what is lovely about them is the moral ambiguity you develop as you feel for them. Perhaps the bomber from G.I. would be a major villain in an arc but even then he just fooled most people into activating the conditions for his ability. Only the ant arc has only shown a truly major set of antagonists, one that fell into the identifiable grounds of god mode antagonists that is a threat to everything. One that entirely flips the hierarchy around.


Sure the good guys use strategy but if only one side is using strategy then it can hardly be considered a quality fight. I don't think the age of the series is any excuse for this either. I mean, i think the gold standard for strategic battles in shounen is probably Naruto at the moment and it's about the same age as HunterXHunter(HunterXHunter began publication in 1998, Naruto in 1999).

I have strong feelings against what Naruto had to bring to the table in fighting. Since more often than not you'd be left with kagebunshins, fake dummies, or illusions taking the brunt of the attack. The suspense for me was killed more often than not, and I believe only the shadow ninja was the one that really excelled in tactics the rest were pretty standard shounen fighting in my opinion of. Consisting of finding the attack pattern or weakness, something I don't see in HXH as much if at all (if you're weak you're weak you can only train to get strong but Gon and Killua grow at a rapid pace). Heck even then my biggest qualm with Naruto is everybody is talented one way or another, thanks to blood line or some type of forbidden thinga majig (though mostly blood line). Naruto for me is mostly the fight of the elites. At least with HXH we've only got two freakishly talented youngsters. HXH doesn't really have much major fights when you consider how its progressed, just major goals or objectives. I attribute this to a lack of any real major villains that pervade the series, other than Hisoka (who just goes about for most part).


The character that are developed along the way in this series might be able uplift this series if they were ever given the chance to do that, unfortunately they aren't.:darn

Thing is they're still just SIDE characters in the end HXH is still largely the journey of Gon and Killua, learning about the world and themselves. Improving and all that they have developed definitely from the way they were before. What is most interesting for me with these two is how they've changed.
Gon slowly going from originally being white into slowly becoming black. While Killua who was raised to be black is turning white. This also makes it difficult for me to actually discount the Ant arc because of the major turning point in how the two are changing for better AND worse
The thing here is Togashi gives equal weight to both the foreground and the background, the main and the supporting. Its quite easy to fall in love with the side characters.
I certainly enjoyed the Yorkshin arc best as Togashi put Gon and Killua only in a supporting role
However what I do think you may have missed is that Togashi hasn't really spent time developing the side characters so that they grow with experience, unlike Gon and Killua. More often than not they are developed so that you understand their psychology, the way they think and why they made such a decision. Put another way I don't think Togashi really intended to develop the side characters much, relegating them mostly to what they are side characters. Of course there are those side characters that do grow with experience from plot events but its certainly not so much the norm. Adding to that by putting enough meat into the side characters their passing on actually makes the concept of death in HXH grim and everywhere. After all everybody sans Gon and Killua are fair game for being killed off, which adds to the tension of certain plans when you're not sure if X character would survive since they don't have main character immunity. Even then the problem with this complaint is when one considers HOW HXH has progressed it is still relatively young, despite the chapters.

Most of the things here are quite new, characters and places, and time one way or another hasn't elapsed that much. Unlike say One Piece where it has progressed with enough time and plot points that it can afford to revisit this island and this character. HXH on the other hand still feels so young to revisit such and such characters, it still feels to fresh to suddenly return to Yorkshin or the Battle Tower. I can understand the frustration of wanting such and such character to return but really its too early.
I mean after G.I. it would just seem too premature to revisit Kurapica or hell Leorio when we've only just seen them. Heck Gon and Killua just practically left Yorkshin, which housed most of the side characters.

In the end as I see it HXH is quite different from other Shounens and clearly it isn't for everybody, not that I want to claim any elitism for it just that its really not something for everybody's taste. Even more so when one considers how frequently and the length of hiatuses the manga has, which certainly isn't winning fans over.