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_ATMA
January 18, 2008, 04:34 AM
So what is your opinion on the political, religious, and realistic social views and status of marijuana?

this is only for debating views, opinions and other things, please no bashing and other things like that

ndruo
January 18, 2008, 09:38 AM
So awesome.

Listen, the banning of marijuana comes from ancient textile-manufacturing days, when cotton and wool producers levied political power against the plant because hemp fabric was so superior to their own.

It poses less of a health risk than alcohol or tobacco, and honestly it's quite easy to get a hold of in the States/Canada, as well as most of Western Europe. $20 worth of weed is also probably going to entertain you longer/more than $20 worth of booze/cigarettes.

alex321
January 18, 2008, 12:58 PM
... Technically, there was not enough research on marijuana to know exactly at what point it hurts the body on a long term period. You say it's not as bad as alchool or cigarettes, well it was certainly proven it causes brain damage. And for all you know, it's still a drug. Cigarette should never have been legalised to begin with, it made our civilisation weak because of all the crap they add in it. Then again, tobacco companies are responsible for the additives and all.. still.

Marijuana is something I beleive everyone tryed at least once... And if people beleive it's their way of enjoying life, it's ok... But as a responsible person, I would never allow it's legalisation.

yoniekai
January 18, 2008, 01:22 PM
i was surprised to see this thread, but anyway my views on it are mostly positive. not all people who have tried marijuana got brain damage of some sort. though it is deemed dangerous because it creates hallucinatory states but the same can be said with alcohol. if you look at the health effects of marijuana, it is worse than tobacco, but tobacco is more rampant hence affects more people than marijuana. i believe it should be legalized only in places where the people can handle its effects effectively. like in amsterdam. if you legalize marijuana for let's say, here in the philippines, where life is hard, there'd be bad consequences.

in the end a drug is still determined by the psychological and physiological aspects of a person. i wont deny that i havent tried it either :sweat but really i'd pick weed over alcohol or a smoke, cause the feeling you'd get high is more euphoric. i dont feel bad taking it, cause i do it for spiritual reasons

mrcongojack
January 18, 2008, 05:10 PM
While I have never personally used marijuana, I know many people who have. The hallucinogenic effects are mild when compared to LSD and opiates and leaves the user in a sedentary state. When it comes to damage to the body, alcohol causes far more negative effects (brain damage, liver damage, alcohol poisoning, etc...) whereas marijuana use causes brain damage and lung damage (if inhaled, which can be avoided if eaten in say, brownie form).

Marijuana users are not a danger to anyone or themselves while intoxicated, and I think it should be legalized. I am opposed to the legalization of other drugs, such as cocaine, heroin, or pcp, because they can cause significant addiction and bodily harm to the user (for cocaine and especially heroin) or can cause the user to become extremely violent (pcp). I personally think marijuana should be legalized, seeing as it's far less dangerous than alcohol(both in terms of threat of threat of addiction (alcoholism) and causing violent behavior). I mean, I've never heard of people complaining that they got smacked up by guys on pot or that someone who was intoxicated on marijuana causing a 4 car pile up. From observing people on marijuana versus drunk people, potheads are by far the more subdued. Drunk people get into fights, throw beer bottles at each other, and are more likely to think they can get away with stealing the neighbor's lawn gnomes while people on dope just kind of sit there and watch daytime TV and laugh at weird times.

Sunshine
January 18, 2008, 06:10 PM
I used to smoke and eat, but I stopped 3 years ago as i re-started my studies : weed & studies are really incompatible for me. Strange fact, it was less difficult to quit smoking weed than cigarette, although i began the first maybe 3 years before the other one...I completely agree with you Mrcongojack, weed is less dangerous than alcohol or even cigarette....:)

I'm not sure it would be a good thing to legalize it, at least not in certain countries, as Yoneikai stated it, there are some places which are much more disposed to bad consequences. As far as I know, even in the Netherlands, the criminality level is higher than it was before they legalized weed...but i'm not a specialist, so it could be a totally wrong statement ^^ what i'm sure, is that toxicomany could decrease if weed was legalized, as it won't be a forbidden stuff anymore : and many people began to use drugs because it provides them sensations, by breaking laws and other bladibladibla....

Anyway, i think that marijuana is part of our lifes since centuries, as it was a drug used by chamans and other priests in many countries, as was peyotl for incas (or mayas? don't remember, but one of these), and tobacco juice for colombians chamans... the whole community is structured around the drug used by the medium, chaman or whatever you want to call him who use it to call spirits or to have premonitions and other "supernatural" stuff...now for our developed societies, drugs have taken another signification : its subversive, demolishing...but if you use it as a way to relax, and if you know where your limits are, i think its ok and you can avoid addiction (even with cocaine, which is less addictive than cigarette actually)....the main question is so to know whether or not you're able to recognise and fix your limits, as to keep weed as a pleasure and not as an addiction

(sorry for mistakes! correct me if it's too bad!!)

Windmillblade
January 18, 2008, 10:46 PM
I wouldnt know what people are smoking if they hallucinate. I used to smoke weed since i was 16 and stopped permanently 7 months ago. And i never hallucinated. The only thing i know of about it that i didnt like is that it drains your energy. if u smoke too much and every day in the morning you feel zapped . Oh and it makes your blood pressure rise which might cause a nose bleed once in a blue. But like if you smoke someties like when you go to the movies or to play a new game you bought it shouldnt be a problem but remember any drug hiots people in different ways. But in my circle nobody ever hallucinated unless theyre smoking angel dust and that stuff is dangerous. When i started smoking people would say its a gateway drug so i said to myself if i become a pot head i made a promise to myself to only and strictly smoke weed and nothing ealse.

_ATMA
January 18, 2008, 11:33 PM
I wouldnt know what people are smoking if they hallucinate. I used to smoke weed since i was 16 and stopped permanently 7 months ago. And i never hallucinated. The only thing i know of about it that i didnt like is that it drains your energy. if u smoke too much and every day in the morning you feel zapped . Oh and it makes your blood pressure rise which might cause a nose bleed once in a blue. But like if you smoke someties like when you go to the movies or to play a new game you bought it shouldnt be a problem but remember any drug hiots people in different ways. But in my circle nobody ever hallucinated unless theyre smoking angel dust and that stuff is dangerous. When i started smoking people would say its a gateway drug so i said to myself if i become a pot head i made a promise to myself to only and strictly smoke weed and nothing ealse.

i know what u mean by it hits ppl in diffrent ways. when ever i have smoked it i get the compulsion to clean lolol :darn

anyway now that ive rested and my brain is functioning after 2 days of no sleep im for the legalization of marijuana in the US as it is far less dangerous and as many other ppl have said ppl are far less likely to go do something really stupid. honestly i really have never have had anyone of my friends or family hallucinate in the 19 years (only been smoking for about a year and a half and recreationally w/ family and friends) that i have been exposed to it since both my parents smoke and the large group of ppl i associate w/ that i know who smoke it

Windmillblade
January 19, 2008, 02:59 AM
Oh and the best thing to eat that quenches the munchies is a big bowl of cereal yeah.

Amatersu
January 19, 2008, 03:21 AM
Marijuana has never actually killed anyone from direct use, ie just using it and then sitting in a room. Alcohol will kill you, 10 drinks under an hour with no vomiting kills you. Eating 2 regular quantities of nutmeg kills you. I've never tried it, but to me at least it seems no worse than drinking. Better in fact since it doesn't waste your liver.

yoniekai
January 19, 2008, 06:56 AM
yeah man, whenever we smoke weed we get really really happy. even when we're driving we know the driver wont screw up, and we'd laugh all the time. compared to alcohol, alcohol fcks everybody up. everyone gets violent or hyper, but not weed. weed makes you calm and relaxed and clears your mind too. they dont prescribe medical alcohol. the best feeling is the float :amuse :smoke

Sunshine
January 19, 2008, 08:08 AM
yeah man, whenever we smoke weed we get really really happy. even when we're driving we know the driver wont screw up, and we'd laugh all the time. compared to alcohol, alcohol fcks everybody up. everyone gets violent or hyper, but not weed.

weed makes you calm and relaxed and clears your mind too. they dont prescribe medical alcohol. XD XD XD

yeah so true :) weed is good for nervous people^^ but it could also be a double-edged stuff for people who are more disposed to enter a depressive state at long-term, as you don't want to move anymore when you smoke too much, but your brain is still working, sometime in the wrong way^^

about drinving and smoking, i'm not really agree with you, unless you smoke while driving, but not before, as if you smoke before driving, the weed would already have time to act (what's more if you smoke 2 joints alone...) and it would become as dangerous as alcohol, because if it does not create any hallucinatory state (who tell you that people?? must be someone who had never try^^) , it's modifing your senses. For example, if you have to drive by night, with weed your eyes become more sensitive to car lights and in any case it reduce your reactivity, so if there's smthg unexpected that happen on the road, you'll take more time to react....but as you already stated guys, it depends on your sensibility with drugs, they don't act in the same way with everyone

yoniekai
January 19, 2008, 08:18 AM
haha i guess it depends really. im just saying that weed has more positive effects compared to alcohol. drunk driving is really dangerous. i know people who have died crushed because they're drunk. but i know a lot of people who drive high and no accident happened.

about the depressive state, i havent met any that did but i supposed it could happen. happened a lot to alcohol though. this is what im saying. alcohol in my opinion is a lot more dangerous than weed, and will always yield more negatives. that's why im pro-weed

Sunshine
January 19, 2008, 08:35 AM
yep no worry, i'm pro-weed too, and i understand perfectly your views :)

i also think that alcohol is more dangerous than weed, and I used some examples i've seen from my friends or people i met (for depressive state). although the driving experience is only mine.....:) i never drive when i got more than 2 drinks, but it has happened that i drove high, and i always payed more attention than when i wasn't smoking...the first it happened by night (I worked all day long, smoke 2 or 3), on a motorway, and i had to stop after maybe 15km as i couldn't see anything because of car-lights : i almost smashed up on the guide rails.....frightening oO

yoniekai
January 19, 2008, 08:45 AM
woah i guess that's not the weed, that's tiredness! :XD haha kidding, yeah man being high gets everything in a haze, light got a little brighter. maybe that's cause your eyes get lazy being high, cause your body gets relaxed

Ichimaru Gin n Tonic
January 20, 2008, 11:32 AM
Just a quick reminder here, _ATMA already gave a clear short description on what to talk about in this thread. So, please refrain from talking about your experience on using the substance.

Oblivion
January 20, 2008, 12:44 PM
marijuana is soft and shouldnt be forbidden.

to me its like beer. it can be a birdge to harder stuff and more usage of narcotics.

beer leads to vodka, and if not handeld right you'll end up drinking 6 beers every night....but beer aint forbidden....

_ATMA
January 20, 2008, 01:29 PM
Just a quick reminder here, _ATMA already gave a clear short description on what to talk about in this thread. So, please refrain from talking about your experience on using the substance.

go ahead and talk about personal experiences it could be considered to help point certain things out it should be part of the ways that could be pointing out a certain view

honestly im kinda surprised at the lenient point of view from most of the posts seen here so far though according to some studies its said that geeks (and related) are the most likely to try and do the softer and move on to harder drugs such as acid and other psychedelics

LadyHatake
January 20, 2008, 08:22 PM
In a general sense, marijuana isn't terrible. Not to me, at least. The one time I tried it was late at night, in my best friend's home. The only effects I felt were a heaviness in my feet and I couldn't stop laughing. Tasted terrible, though. It didn't really change me else-wise. In fact, if anything, it calmed me and lessened any anxiety I had. Earlier that night my friend had driven us while high, and if anything she was better at driving while high >.>; So from personal experience, I know what weed does and that's one of the reasons I'm not against it.

Anything you do could have negative effects, not just marijuana. Alcohol, cigarettes, overeating :/ It's about choices. And honestly, there's plenty of worse legal things out there than marijuana. (guns, alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs, paint, glue, SALVIA.) Salvia is a legal plant that can be smoked, and in fact, it's probably worse. It basically leaves you in a psychedelic state for 3-5 minutes where you can't speak, and any movement will make you dizzy and sick. Anyways. I'm not advocating marijuana to anyone, actually, I don't even want to do it again. I just think there's worse things out there to worry about (and not just substances...) that should be focused on and regulated more strictly than weed. Plus, it's a personal choice. People have the right to drink alcohol (which is worse, I don't care what the fuck anyone says :/), and then drive drunk and kill people. People have the right to smoke cigarettes and destroy their lungs, and smell bad and have others breathe their smoke. So why shouldn't people have the right to smoke weed, with it's effects? (both good and bad effects, because YES, there ARE bad effects!)

However, I do agree with Atma that it IS a gateway drug. Once you try a "soft" drug like weed, it makes the other ones (cocaine, ecstasy, LSD, heroin, shrooms, etc) not seem so bad.

But that's my opinion :/ And personally, I'd rather spend money on purses and shoes than on drugs, no matter how good they make me feel =P
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In addition: The reason weed is illegal (and forgive me if someone has explained this already) was that back in the day, hemp was dominating the rope market. It was easy to grow, it was stronger than any other kind of rope, and it could be used for paper without destroying trees. However, the other industries didn't like it, or, more specifically, a man named Harry Anslinger, who owned a paper company. The hemp paper would put him out of business, so he launched a smear campaign, also known as "yellow journalism." He had the media print articles of how marijuana made users violent, etc. He as also backed by the Dupont chemical company, who made nylon (which was inferior to hemp). Eventually the government banned marijuana. There were plenty of other reasons too, which I won't go into because I'm tired of typing, but you get the picture :p

Which is ironic, because marijuana has been used for years. Even in BC times it was used.

sahugani
January 20, 2008, 08:42 PM
i'm also not against marijuana. i actually enjoyed it quite abit, though its been i think many months since i've had any. for me the experience varied from time to time. the first time i tried it i simply couldn't stop laughing and that was pretty much it. other times i have definately experienced lack of depth perception and bad short-term memory, so i definately would not promote driving high. for the most part though the biggest thing is that it helped me relax, which was definately welcome.

as for it leading to other drugs, i wasn't worried since it was the fact that MJ is not addictive (unless a lot is smoked) that made me ok with trying it and i knew i was too afraid of addiction to start any of the other drugs. the one other drug i did try was salvia, which i personally wouldn't try again. it wasn't the 5 minute trip that makes me say that but i got a 10 minute paranoia afterwards

also, as LH says, i too think of cigarettes and alcohol as worse than marijuana. i've never tried cigarettes because as i stated i'm terrified of addictive substances (and the smell is far worse than marijuana in my opinion). as for alcohol, i hate the taste of most alcoholic beverages (except jager) and so i've only gotten drunk once, but the experience was less enjoyable than with MJ

in short, while i think it should be legal, you should know what you're doing before you start

godofthesunn
January 22, 2008, 11:03 AM
I've never really tried it but too me its just another thing that seems to have negative connotations so I've avoided it just like drugs, alcohol, women, etc...

Oblivion
January 22, 2008, 03:07 PM
so I've avoided it just like drugs, alcohol, women, etc...

the last one floored me^^

miyi
January 23, 2008, 06:36 AM
I'm in favor of legalizing MJ through medicinal purposes....it is known to lessen the pain due to some illnesses, so why not?

and as for addiction, no it's not addictive. I do it when I feel like it, but when I don't feel like it, I have enough control to resist it, as long as I want.....so no, it isn't addictive.


Legalizing it will also eliminate all the profits that come from illegal distribution of MJ......but, for now, it isn't that bad.

But drugs other than MJ, i.e. cocaine, is a profitable illegal business.

Anyway, whether or not it is legalized wholesale, I don't really mind.....but for the medicinal use, I'm all for it.

_ATMA
January 23, 2008, 08:08 AM
I'm in favor of legalizing MJ through medicinal purposes....it is known to lessen the pain due to some illnesses, so why not?

and as for addiction, no it's not addictive. I do it when I feel like it, but when I don't feel like it, I have enough control to resist it, as long as I want.....so no, it isn't addictive.


Legalizing it will also eliminate all the profits that come from illegal distribution of MJ......but, for now, it isn't that bad.

But drugs other than MJ, i.e. cocaine, is a profitable illegal business.

Anyway, whether or not it is legalized wholesale, I don't really mind.....but for the medicinal use, I'm all for it.

the legalization of MJ honestly would help alot of tax and money problems america has jon paul the guy running for prez is trying to legalize it for small amounts i think its like half an ounce per sale and carry at any time and a slight tax to help fund stuff honestly i believe its a great idea and is a much safer drug the things like alchol, coke, meth, PCP, and stuff they are very dangerous

alusandrea
January 23, 2008, 07:41 PM
I've never tried it, but I hear of alot of people using it. Normally I laugh at stories of people getting caught (I don't hear of really harsh punishments, though). To be perfectly honest, I don't see anything wrong with smoking Mary Jane unless it's done in public or too much. And there's that argument that it prepares you for far more dangerous drugs.

Windmillblade
January 23, 2008, 08:43 PM
like anything we take it has to be in moderation. mary alone maybe wont hurt you but mixed with all the other chemicals and stuff we use daily we dont know what could happen.

_ATMA
January 23, 2008, 09:23 PM
I've never tried it, but I hear of alot of people using it. Normally I laugh at stories of people getting caught (I don't hear of really harsh punishments, though). To be perfectly honest, I don't see anything wrong with smoking Mary Jane unless it's done in public or too much. And there's that argument that it prepares you for far more dangerous drugs.

over here in ann arbor the laws are very lenient first time cought u get a $10 fine and a slap on the wrist, and each consecutive time the fine doubles so $10, $20, $40, $80, $160 lol i think after the 3rd time ur arrested

mrcongojack
January 23, 2008, 10:19 PM
It's not too hard to avoid getting caught with marijuana. Just don't take it/smoke it in public places. Back in high school, the only people who ever got caught with it were the ones dumb enough to bring it to school. As long as Mary Jane is enjoyed in a basement and not at a kegger or something that would attract police attention, chances are you won't get caught, unless in your country police are allowed to conduct random raids and you happen to be on the list that night. :p

What gets police attention is the dealers. In the town where my college is there was just a major drug bust with people who sold MJ and other drugs (mostly prescription stuff). They spent the better part of a year investigating into this matter. Perhaps law enforcement is a bit swifter in the big cities, but the operation was small-time and so I think as long as you are not involved in some giant drug cartel and are smart about where you light up, you won't get caught.

Paper
January 24, 2008, 12:24 PM
WEED = GOOD

marijuana is a natural expectorant, it opens up your airways and softens up hard mucus, and lets you spew it out. it's also way less addictive as compared to alcohol and cigarettes.

being high ain't bad, just as long as you don't go doing dumb shit when you are. the most i do when under the influence is i eat/ laugh/ sleep....

walkie
January 24, 2008, 04:57 PM
i see your points about why mj can become legal but thats exaclty the point you miss something guys...

look at the general picture...if mj becomes legal, then everyone can get and use it. if you say "we can put an age limit", then i say "hey, wake up, do you think people under 18 never drink alcohol, well they do, welcome to reality" and we are talking about mj, something can lead to worse addictiveness....not everybody has strong characterics so they dont get addictive to worse things, or just tries and quits those..even 1/10 has weak characteristics, if you have millions of people, then you will have thousands or millions who are addictive to something at some degree..and whatever it is, addictiveness is bad.

you should always think about worse senarios, and even if it is forbidden, there are still people who can get it use it so let it be just like this, dont let it spread freely :)

jIIn
January 24, 2008, 05:23 PM
I'm also pro cannabis-legalization. Most of the arguments were already said.

@walkie:
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not if it is about the number of consumers. (At least for most of the western states)
Take for example Germany and the Netherlands.(relatively close about wealth and culture)
In the Netherlands it is more or less legal, but the higher number of consumers(per inhabitant) has Germany.
If you want to smoke cannabis, you can get it.

And about leading to harder drugs: That comes mostly with the problem of the black market. (Dealer thinks:"I'm selling cannabis, and it's illegal. What does it matter if I sell cocaine, too." Some consumers, who wouldn't get in touch with the hard stuff(except for alcohol) think analog.
Germany for example has about 20 times more deaths because of Heroine than NL, but only 5 times more inhabitants.

Edit:
About the brain damage. The brain damage caused by cannabis mostly is caused, when you are under 18, because cannabis works at the anandamid-receptors in your brain. And the whole cannabinoid-System in your brain gets squirrled if you smoke too much at an young age, because your brain is not so near to the fully developed status than it is with 18-20.
And of course, a lot of brain damage is caused, when people smoke cannabis mixed with tobacco, because Nicotine is toxic and bad for your brain.
btw: Cannabinoids(for example THC) are not really toxic but more like enzymes.
But eating cannabis-products(cookies a.s.o.) is more healthy(or less dangerous) anyway and lets your lung and yourself smile. :)

_ATMA
January 24, 2008, 05:50 PM
I'm also pro cannabis-legalization. Most of the arguments were already said.

@walkie:
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not if it is about the number of consumers. (At least for most of the western states)
Take for example Germany and the Netherlands.(relatively close about wealth and culture)
In the Netherlands it is more or less legal, but the higher number of consumers(per inhabitant) has Germany.
If you want to smoke cannabis, you can get it.

And about leading to harder drugs: That comes mostly with the problem of the black market. (Dealer thinks:"I'm selling cannabis, and it's illegal. What does it matter if I sell cocaine, too." Some consumers, who wouldn't get in touch with the hard stuff(except for alcohol) think analog.
Germany for example has about 20 times more deaths because of Heroine than NL, but only 5 times more inhabitants.


i see your points about why mj can become legal but thats exaclty the point you miss something guys...

look at the general picture...if mj becomes legal, then everyone can get and use it. if you say "we can put an age limit", then i say "hey, wake up, do you think people under 18 never drink alcohol, well they do, welcome to reality" and we are talking about mj, something can lead to worse addictiveness....not everybody has strong characterics so they dont get addictive to worse things, or just tries and quits those..even 1/10 has weak characteristics, if you have millions of people, then you will have thousands or millions who are addictive to something at some degree..and whatever it is, addictiveness is bad.

you should always think about worse senarios, and even if it is forbidden, there are still people who can get it use it so let it be just like this, dont let it spread freely :)

i would have to agree with jiin no mater how much u legalize it its not going to change how much or how many users are going to be. honestly if u smoke a bit of MJ every once in awhile it wont lead to the abuse of other stuff. its also very hard to get out of control in smoking MJ honestly walkie have u ever sat down and smoked some? ... has it ever lead u to do other things? ... ill bet u it probably didn't if it did the worst probably was some other psychedelics and most ppl only do them only once or twice and have a bad experience and never touch them again lol. anyway because of the major disinformation campaigns from the 40s and on in movies, news, television, and radio it caused alot of wrong and bent information to get across to the people.

mrcongojack
January 24, 2008, 09:16 PM
i see your points about why mj can become legal but thats exaclty the point you miss something guys...

look at the general picture...if mj becomes legal, then everyone can get and use it. if you say "we can put an age limit", then i say "hey, wake up, do you think people under 18 never drink alcohol, well they do, welcome to reality" and we are talking about mj, something can lead to worse addictiveness....not everybody has strong characterics so they dont get addictive to worse things, or just tries and quits those..even 1/10 has weak characteristics, if you have millions of people, then you will have thousands or millions who are addictive to something at some degree..and whatever it is, addictiveness is bad.

you should always think about worse senarios, and even if it is forbidden, there are still people who can get it use it so let it be just like this, dont let it spread freely :)

So we shouldn't legalize marijuana because people under 18 might use it? People under 18 are already using it. A lot. Besides, if we criminalized everything that people with addictive personalities would abuse to a dangerous level, we'd have to make prescription drugs and food illegal! People with addictive personalities do things to excess, and sometimes to such an extent that they kill themselves like by OD'ing or by eating way too much, which doesn't kill you right away but down the road 10 years it could. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't protect people from things that may be dangerous in the case they have addictive personalities, we should help these people control their urge to smoke too much.

@ _ATMA:
I'd agree. Propaganda from the 40's really did spread a lot of disinformation, like people get "reefer madness" and shoot each other. I'm not saying no one got too high and shot someone, chances are it has happened at least once or twice, but not nearly as much as when drunk people get behind the wheel or get violent.

Paper
January 24, 2008, 11:47 PM
@legal age- the legal age doesn't matter...i drank my first beer before i was 10, smoked my firs cig when i was 12 and had my frist joint when i was 15....no one follows the age limit....

@weed being addictive- weed is at least 40% less addictive compared to nicotine. nicotine makes your body dependent on it once you become a chain smoker, and going cold turkey will result into you getting sick, unlike when you go cold turkey on weed- nothing happens....there's no real "addiction" to it.

KyanWan
January 30, 2008, 08:38 PM
Weed's less dangerous than alcohol - IMO. & Smoking age should be 16. Like 2 years will make some world of difference. You're old enough to drive 2000 lbs of steel around at 70mph - but you can't smoke a cig?

There's more self-destructive habits out there than smoking too - like eating at McDonalds 7 times a week and turning yourself into a clogged-artery blob.

But really, I mean, when's the last time you've heard of someone getting into a car accident while smoking a joint?

Or - a guy beating his kids because he was smoking....

It just don't happen.

With all this technology & BS that's out there today - if people are so worried about abuse & crap - why not use this newfangled interwebs to our advantage ... make a cheap-ass system to scan existing ID ( durr, driver's license ) to make sure people don't go OD'ing all over the place. Nah, too simple.

I'm sure if you handed that to one of these gov't people they'd f- the hell out of it.

PLUS -

Just look at the justice system too. People who smoke getting tossed into jail - wasting space for something they like to do, that doesn't hurt *anyone*. I mean, come on - wtf. They should start arresting obese people then - they do more damage & harm to themselves than smokers do. Give me a break.


On a side note, I don't smoke. I'm just sick of seeing nanny-state dictating what people should-and-should not do. Half of the time - their decisions are half-ass moronic ones that make no sense at all.

Jermofoot
February 04, 2008, 03:44 PM
Skimmed the thread so I hope I don't repeat anything.

I've smoked weed & cigarettes, as well as drank (haven't done much beyond that other than shrooms & opium, both of which have been years ago and have no interest in doing again).

If cigarettes & alcohol are legal, weed should be as well. However, that's not a very good argument.

There is a definite medicinal benefit to marijuana, so that's one reason it should be legal. It is fairly unhealthy for you (as smoking anything usually isn't), but you can eat it or vaporize it to counter that, and if you do smoke it, it's not as much as tobacco so it isn't as bad.

From a legal perspective (in the US)...why is it illegal anyway? The anti-hemp lobbying definitely was a culprit, but there was also a racial reason for making it illegal. There is a history of racism when it comes to making substances illegal, look at the dates when they were outlawed and what influx of immigrants or a current minority the drugs might apply to that would help the law control those groups. The reasons for marijuana being outlawed have changed from causing insanity & death to being a gateway drug as well. Why aren't alcohol and tobacco considered there too?

IMO, the gateway drug theory is bunk. It's a correlation, but not causation. Most people don't get into drugs with the hardest of substances that are more difficult to find or use. It's the obvious point to make that really has no relevance. It's no different than saying people who play college basketball often move on to the NBA or other pro league. But very few people start off in the pro leagues. Just a bunch of statistical mumbo jumbo.

There is also a point of personal freedom here. I feel that you should be able to ingest and do to yourself whatever you will. I think it's dumb to drink antifreeze or do coke or heroin, but that's your choice. There will be problems, so as a left-leaning US citizen, I think it is upon us to address drug addiction.

It would be far better for the US to decriminalize marijuana, and, perhaps, all drugs, and regulate them. The War on Drugs is just as unwinnable as the War on Terror - you are facing a formless, abstract idea that will never be destroyed. Better to address it proactively and give yourself better vision of what's going on. You will know who is buying what, when, and where. You can tax it to support the costs of the program and others, such as rehab or detox centers. You can educate people about it. But give them to choice to do what they will with themselves.

And finally, just look to Bill Hicks for wisdom on the subject. Two people get in a fight at a party...are they drunk or stoned?
You get in an accident while driving...where you drunk or stoned? If you were stoned, you just open up the garage door and go on your way. :)

minato-sama09
February 04, 2008, 03:47 PM
well i think that smokin is just stupid no matter what kind of high or buzz it gives you everyone has problems so dont try to just get rid of them by smokin they just get bigger pepole dont understand what kind of damage they are doin to themselfswell thats what i got to say

mrcongojack
February 04, 2008, 08:52 PM
well i think that smokin is just stupid no matter what kind of high or buzz it gives you everyone has problems so dont try to just get rid of them by smokin they just get bigger pepole dont understand what kind of damage they are doin to themselfswell thats what i got to say

Yeah, smoking is lame. Especially cigarettes. I've never smoked one, not since I saw some guy working the ferris wheel at the County Fair cough up a lung, with blood and everything spew out, and then light up. Plus, his teeth were all black. I don't care how much it makes you look like a "rebel" or whatever, smoking is just gross.

I recently saw a special on VH1 called "The Drug Years". They got to talking about marijuana and coke, and how drug use in the 70's was about just "getting high", unlike in the 60's where it was to achieve enlightenment or some other BS. So that got me to thinking, why do people smoke marijuana? Is getting high really all that great? Because the people I know who smoke Mary Jane regularly are kind of screwed up.

_ATMA
February 04, 2008, 09:41 PM
Yeah, smoking is lame. Especially cigarettes. I've never smoked one, not since I saw some guy working the ferris wheel at the County Fair cough up a lung, with blood and everything spew out, and then light up. Plus, his teeth were all black. I don't care how much it makes you look like a "rebel" or whatever, smoking is just gross.

I recently saw a special on VH1 called "The Drug Years". They got to talking about marijuana and coke, and how drug use in the 70's was about just "getting high", unlike in the 60's where it was to achieve enlightenment or some other BS. So that got me to thinking, why do people smoke marijuana? Is getting high really all that great? Because the people I know who smoke Mary Jane regularly are kind of screwed up.

hmmm thats not entirely true honestly alot of people who smoke it smoke it for entirely leginiment reasons such as to help releave pain they can afford medication for and many other reasons, some people just like to come home from a long day of work sit back and relax a bit. there are many many reasons for smoke some bud here and there some people do it to socialize. back in the Victorian ages in the middle east and India there were places where you would go smoke tobacco and socialize with others and talk about politics. its the same with anything such as coffee, tea, tobacco, marijuana, and many other things of that nature in the past they have always been used as a socializing tool.

some people have their reasons for smoking some just started to just look cool and things like that.

mrcongojack
February 04, 2008, 10:48 PM
The difference between coffee, tea, and tobacco and marijuana is that coffee, tea, and tobacco don't get you high. There's a buzz or an energy surge, but no high. Also, no one decides not to go to work/do their homework/ etc... and smoke tobacco or drink coffee instead. If anyone has seen VH1's Celebrity Rehab (I watch way too much VH1), one of the rehab patients is Jamie Foxworth, and she is addicted to marijuana and would rather smoke dope and watch cartoons than go out for auditions or get a job. This is an extreme case, but there are plenty of people like that. When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem? This is one of the things that blocks the legalization of marijuana.

_ATMA
February 04, 2008, 11:47 PM
The difference between coffee, tea, and tobacco and marijuana is that coffee, tea, and tobacco don't get you high. There's a buzz or an energy surge, but no high. Also, no one decides not to go to work/do their homework/ etc... and smoke tobacco or drink coffee instead. If anyone has seen VH1's Celebrity Rehab (I watch way too much VH1), one of the rehab patients is Jamie Foxworth, and she is addicted to marijuana and would rather smoke dope and watch cartoons than go out for auditions or get a job. This is an extreme case, but there are plenty of people like that. When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem? This is one of the things that blocks the legalization of marijuana.

its still used for the same purpose, regardless of the effects on the body also less then like 2% of the people who smoke weed are actually "addicted"

also high is just a term for a feeling that is different among different drugs if u consider it and take a step back look at it caffeine to is a drug its a stimulant... its actually closely related to nicotine chemically both are stimulants and both are very addictive wouldnt u consider that buzzing rush of energy a "high"

in regards of the "When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem?" does this make it right to stop all smokers from being allowed to smoke or all ppl drinking to stop drinking alchol? the issue lays with in the way your perceiving the problem. i used to be a tight stright laced bastard about all these issues but after graduating from high school i realized i waisted most of my life. take a step back and explore things a little more and you may understand what im trying to get at.

anyway weed isnt a very big issue that should be thrown out the door as its far less dangerous then many other things u can do such as drinking or snorting coke, and injecting ur self w/ heroine. but honestly its the persons choice if they want to do things such as smoke weed, drink some whisky at home, or smoke a cigerate, honestly its a choice that should up to the person whos doing it to them selves if they are falling apart and they realize they really need help then thats when the time for intervention

heh im just gona shut up and stop rambeling on now time for CS

minato-sama09
February 05, 2008, 12:25 PM
i dont see your aruging with him smokin is bad no matter what_ATMA

Jermofoot
February 05, 2008, 05:49 PM
The difference between coffee, tea, and tobacco and marijuana is that coffee, tea, and tobacco don't get you high. There's a buzz or an energy surge, but no high. Also, no one decides not to go to work/do their homework/ etc... and smoke tobacco or drink coffee instead. If anyone has seen VH1's Celebrity Rehab (I watch way too much VH1), one of the rehab patients is Jamie Foxworth, and she is addicted to marijuana and would rather smoke dope and watch cartoons than go out for auditions or get a job. This is an extreme case, but there are plenty of people like that. When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem? This is one of the things that blocks the legalization of marijuana.

Here's the thing: I have a feeling Ms. Foxworth would have a problem no matter what drug she was doing. So is it the drug (no, especially since she is an extreme case), or the person? Addiction is tough & serious, but it can be overcome, you just have to want it. So I don't blame drugs for that. And if she wants to drink or smoke herself into oblivion and doesn't hurt anyone else, that is her choice.

Besides, you admitted you don't smoke and still watch too much tv. Do YOU have a problem? :)

You asked why people smoke marijuana. I do it because I enjoy it. Same as drinking. Tobacco can be enjoyable too, but if you aren't careful, it will get you.

Weed stands out to me though for a lot of reasons. You can't OD on it. You may impair yourself somewhat after using it, but it's not permanent and it's hardly damaging. Most of all, it makes everything I already like more enjoyable: eating, listening/playing music, playing video games, watching movies, sex, exercise, etc. I don't try to rely on it for pleasure, because then it is a problem and I can't enjoy things normally. So moderation, in all things, is key. It also does wonders for my creativity and thinking. I've had incredible thoughts and observations while high that may not be reproducible while sober. I may lose short term memory temporarily (and it's really not that bad for me), but I can still function well with everything I do (but I don't go to work or school or anything serious while high). I have fun while using it whether I'm be myself or with others (preferred).

The only problem I have with weed is that it represses my dreams. When I don't smoke they come back or are more common.

minato-sama09
February 06, 2008, 12:12 PM
but most of the time pepole think that they are in control and then make things worse ive know pepole who have smoked and then were drivin like idiots and then crashed into crap so no its not ok to do it you never know what kind of reaction you will get its not safe or fun if you want to do some thing get up and play something or go skate

yoniekai
February 06, 2008, 12:37 PM
its the same with everything that has an effect on the body. alcohol especially. you know yourself so control yourself. if you get drunk and did something stupid that's not the alcohol's fault. same with weed. though i do get pretty hyper when high, i dont cross lines. dont smoke if you cant handle it

ditto with what jermofoot said, being high spices up the moment. one of the many things why weed is tempting. more tempting than alcohol or cigs.

mrcongojack
February 06, 2008, 08:30 PM
its still used for the same purpose, regardless of the effects on the body also less then like 2% of the people who smoke weed are actually "addicted"

also high is just a term for a feeling that is different among different drugs if u consider it and take a step back look at it caffeine to is a drug its a stimulant... its actually closely related to nicotine chemically both are stimulants and both are very addictive wouldnt u consider that buzzing rush of energy a "high"

in regards of the "When does pot smoking go from a social activity to a problem?" does this make it right to stop all smokers from being allowed to smoke or all ppl drinking to stop drinking alchol? the issue lays with in the way your perceiving the problem. i used to be a tight stright laced bastard about all these issues but after graduating from high school i realized i waisted most of my life. take a step back and explore things a little more and you may understand what im trying to get at.

anyway weed isnt a very big issue that should be thrown out the door as its far less dangerous then many other things u can do such as drinking or snorting coke, and injecting ur self w/ heroine. but honestly its the persons choice if they want to do things such as smoke weed, drink some whisky at home, or smoke a cigerate, honestly its a choice that should up to the person whos doing it to them selves if they are falling apart and they realize they really need help then thats when the time for intervention

heh im just gona shut up and stop rambeling on now time for CS

I think you've gotten the wrong idea about why I post this. I am for the legalization of marijuana, but I can see why many people disagree with that stance. I am just playing "devil's advocate" here, mainly because few people in this convo disagree with making pot legal. I probably should have said that before I posted the first time, but hindsight's 20/20.

@Jermofoot.
Yes, actually, my tv viewing is a problem. For example, instead of working on my essay yesterday I watched 5 hours of Judge shows, Scrubs, reruns of "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report" (I had already watched these episodes twice in the previous 24 hours) and a special on UFOs. To fix the problem I've taken to taping shows that are premiering or sound interesting and watch them on Sunday. And the only reason I don't smoke weed is because my parents used to and their complete idiots.

Now, back to the subject at hand. While I have not smoked and don't drink, I have spent a considerable amount of time around people who do. Quite frankly, people on dope and who are drunk have a few things in common. For one thing, they act moronic. The manner they act like morons is different of course. Drunk people shout, break things, slur their words, and lose most inhibitions, while stoned people tend to be lazy and giggle a lot, occasionally at inappropriate times. So if marijuana use is much safer for the public (seeing as drunks can be downright violent), why is alcohol use legal?

The reason drinking is legal while most other forms of drug use are not is a simple matter of tradition. Before water filters, coca cola, etc... there were not that many forms of safe fluids to drink (milk, water,and ciders existed of course but could be contaminated, until the invention of pasteurisation). Seeing as alcohol kills most bacteria, it was safe to drink and was also a good way to store crops seeing as it does not normally go bad (in many cases it gets better with age), alcohol was a favorite drink. Alcohol was enjoyed by the masses (at least in western civilization), unlike marjuana, which has roots in the middle east and was used in India but never had widespread popularity in Europe in the middle ages/early Renaissance.

Indentured servants from India were brought to the South American continent in the mid 1800s and spread to North America from their. People in the islands of the Gulf of Mexico (especially black slaves/former slaves) took to the drug, as did their counterparts in the US. To make a long story short, white people didn't like black people getting high so the made marijuana illegal.

My point is, the fact that marijuana may be less dangerous than alcohol does not matter. Conservatives will block any attempt at legalization based on history, not on facts (though it has been decriminalized). I kind of think marijuana doesn't need to be legalized, seeing as it has been decriminalized so much and that as long as you don't take your mary jane to school/work/public places/etc... you probably won't get caught with it.

raderack
February 11, 2008, 12:19 PM
Drug is a drug,no matter what people said.
If is bad for your body,why use it?

LadyHatake
February 11, 2008, 02:09 PM
Drug is a drug,no matter what people said.
If is bad for your body,why use it?

Because it's enjoyable. You say that if it's bad for your body, why do it, but EVERYTHING is bad for you. If you're on the computer, that's bad for your eyes. You eat sweets (or just about anything, these days) it's unhealthy for your body. Hair products destroy your hair and scalp. Wearing shoes can give you blisters and damage your feet, depending on the shoe. Hell, going outside in he sun can cause cancer :/

Everything you do in life can risk your body, you just have to pick and choose which actions to do. We all die at some point anyways.

raderack
February 11, 2008, 02:25 PM
As we live,we are consuming yourself s,your life goes away..day by day..that is nature.
But live also teach us,that everything have a price.
And is not always that something enjoyable can be good,or that you have to do it.
I guess,thats because im from a military family(very strict one),and by age..that i have a rigid point of view..about that.
But is with experience,with errors,that we learn..so the young ones,will learn too.

Gold Knight
February 12, 2008, 07:59 AM
Well, it all depends on how addictive marijuana can be and whether it tends to lead one to making bad decisions, maybe not so much to themselves but to other people.

I agree that alcohol and smoking is worse, and while I drink occasionally, I don't smoke. I certainly have to admit that being drunk can lead a person to do things that they can regret very much, if the person just doesn't care enough being heavily intoxicated. I don't know if weed does, never touched the stuff, but I did know a lot of people in campus that did it and they seemed in control most of the time, so I guess as long as the age limit is reasonable I'd be okay with it being legalized, but I certainly wouldn't want to add another addiction to my collection. I'm already struggling enough with my diet right now as it is, heh.

As for food, well, it's necessary to keep living to eat and drink, Katy, not so much to smoke weed. Sure going out is a risk every day but why take unnecessary risks when you don't have to. I can understand people doing weed to relieve themselves of anxiety or whatever, but there's people who can do without it too. Of that course that applies to alcohol too, so I guess I'd call it a bad vice that I try not to overdo too much. It probably would be better for society as a whole if alcohol wasn't legal, but we all know what happened when the government tried to outlaw it once. Didn't work too well, heh.

yoniekai
February 12, 2008, 08:19 AM
this is where the difference starts you know. if we based it objectively, weed is not bad. that's right, it is not bad.

now subjectively, mixed reactions. kinda like conservatives and radicals. now i dont want to live my life without any spice in it, even if its unnecessary i'd still do it just for my own satisfaction.

genkizen
February 24, 2008, 02:24 AM
Weed is very similar to alcohol, if you do it too much it is very bad for you. But in college I learned from my psychology professor that there was a study and it showed that ppl who smoke marijuana recreationally were psychologically healthier than ppl who abused it and those who didnt do it at all, and I tend to agree with that. I do smoke weed, hell my first name is part of its name! I really think it should be legal and I think its not because the government can't find a way to tax it cuz so many ppl grow it in there backyards. Then again, I have a great distrust for the government.

Haskabab
April 03, 2008, 04:41 AM
It made me so damn sick that i puked all over my bathroom (for the whole night) and i just had the feeling i was gonna die. My heart was going crazy as well as my breathing, and i was scary as fuck.

It made me quit doing weed. In my country it's completely legal (Netherlands ftw), but it's just not worth my money.

And yes, I did have some experience with it and it overwhelmed me a bit. And it wasn't "bad shit" cause it was the same weed as i used couple of days before that and it got me pretty high.

I have a couple of friends who have been smoking weed every day for a couple of years now and most of them have become mentally retarded.

_ATMA
April 03, 2008, 08:32 AM
It made me so damn sick that i puked all over my bathroom (for the whole night) and i just had the feeling i was gonna die. My heart was going crazy as well as my breathing, and i was scary as fuck.

It made me quit doing weed. In my country it's completely legal (Netherlands ftw), but it's just not worth my money.

And yes, I did have some experience with it and it overwhelmed me a bit. And it wasn't "bad shit" cause it was the same weed as i used couple of days before that and it got me pretty high.

I have a couple of friends who have been smoking weed every day for a couple of years now and most of them have become mentally retarded.

wow dude u must have got some really bad shit that either had mold growing on it or they cured it w/ some chemicals :s

shaman-king
April 27, 2008, 12:02 PM
I personally smoke before i read manga, i only read it maybe once or twice or week but when i do it makes the experience all the more. At its core weed is a natural stimulant so it only makes sense that as long as you have enough discipline it would make stimulus based entertainment all the more.

miyi
April 27, 2008, 01:00 PM
Well, it all depends on how addictive marijuana can be and whether it tends to lead one to making bad decisions, maybe not so much to themselves but to other people.

I agree that alcohol and smoking is worse, and while I drink occasionally, I don't smoke. I certainly have to admit that being drunk can lead a person to do things that they can regret very much, if the person just doesn't care enough being heavily intoxicated. I don't know if weed does, never touched the stuff, but I did know a lot of people in campus that did it and they seemed in control most of the time, so I guess as long as the age limit is reasonable I'd be okay with it being legalized, but I certainly wouldn't want to add another addiction to my collection. I'm already struggling enough with my diet right now as it is, heh.

As for food, well, it's necessary to keep living to eat and drink, Katy, not so much to smoke weed. Sure going out is a risk every day but why take unnecessary risks when you don't have to. I can understand people doing weed to relieve themselves of anxiety or whatever, but there's people who can do without it too. Of that course that applies to alcohol too, so I guess I'd call it a bad vice that I try not to overdo too much. It probably would be better for society as a whole if alcohol wasn't legal, but we all know what happened when the government tried to outlaw it once. Didn't work too well, heh.


here's the bottom line (my opinion)....if it isn't hurting another human being, so be it....let the individual make his personal choice. I want to speak only on behalf of America, since every country has their own culture...

In America, it's a free country. That's what's great about it.

Let an individual make his own choice, as long as it doesn't affect anybody, and we raise the legal age to ensure that those who are taking it, are mature enough to realize the risks and consequences.

This applies for weed, cigarettes, alcohol. I favor raising the legal age to at least 18, but preferably 21.

If second-hand smoke is a problem, have designated smoking areas, that solves it for everyone. The same for weed. If people want to slowly kill themselves, that's a personal choice. It isn't the government's job to meddle with that.

The only difference between weed/cigarettes, and alcohol, is that weed/cigarette does not pose as much of a danger to another human being, than with alcohol.

Try weed for once...it will slow your body to the point where it would be pointless to drive. The point of it is to relax.

With alcohol, I don't understand why people continue to drunk-drive. It's just mind-boggling...despite the law against it, people continue to do it.

This is where weed/cigarettes, in my view, is much safer than alcohol, not in terms of danger to the self, which I think is irrelevant, but more so in terms of how it endangers other people.

Let's not focus on the harm people chooses to inflict on themselves, that's their problem.

Let's focus on the bigger picture....alcohol via drunk-driving is a bigger risk to innocent people, than weed/cigarette accidents.

I have yet to see someone die of an accident caused by a weed/cigarette smoker.

In summary, I am not advocating a ban on alcohol, weed, cigarettes. I say it's a personal choice. Let's minimize the dangers it pose on innocents. But if we are to be fair, let's not stigmatize weed/cigarette smoking, because alcohol is just as bad, if not, worse.

And just to be clear...hardcore drugs (i.e. cocaine, heroin, etc.) needs to be treated as a separate issue.

That is something that I advocate a ban for, for the simple fact that it is the root cause of criminal activity (i.e. theft, murder, smuggling, prostitution, etc.). These severely lethal drugs actually poses harm on innocents, and therefore needs to be banned altogether.

mrcongojack
April 27, 2008, 06:00 PM
here's the bottom line (my opinion)....if it isn't hurting another human being, so be it....let the individual make his personal choice. I want to speak only on behalf of America, since every country has their own culture...

In America, it's a free country. That's what's great about it.

Let an individual make his own choice, as long as it doesn't affect anybody, and we raise the legal age to ensure that those who are taking it, are mature enough to realize the risks and consequences.

This applies for weed, cigarettes, alcohol. I favor raising the legal age to at least 18, but preferably 21.

If second-hand smoke is a problem, have designated smoking areas, that solves it for everyone. The same for weed. If people want to slowly kill themselves, that's a personal choice. It isn't the government's job to meddle with that.

The only difference between weed/cigarettes, and alcohol, is that weed/cigarette does not pose as much of a danger to another human being, than with alcohol.

Try weed for once...it will slow your body to the point where it would be pointless to drive. The point of it is to relax.

With alcohol, I don't understand why people continue to drunk-drive. It's just mind-boggling...despite the law against it, people continue to do it.

This is where weed/cigarettes, in my view, is much safer than alcohol, not in terms of danger to the self, which I think is irrelevant, but more so in terms of how it endangers other people.

Let's not focus on the harm people chooses to inflict on themselves, that's their problem.

Let's focus on the bigger picture....alcohol via drunk-driving is a bigger risk to innocent people, than weed/cigarette accidents.

I have yet to see someone die of an accident caused by a weed/cigarette smoker.

In summary, I am not advocating a ban on alcohol, weed, cigarettes. I say it's a personal choice. Let's minimize the dangers it pose on innocents. But if we are to be fair, let's not stigmatize weed/cigarette smoking, because alcohol is just as bad, if not, worse.

And just to be clear...hardcore drugs (i.e. cocaine, heroin, etc.) needs to be treated as a separate issue.

That is something that I advocate a ban for, for the simple fact that it is the root cause of criminal activity (i.e. theft, murder, smuggling, prostitution, etc.). These severely lethal drugs actually poses harm on innocents, and therefore needs to be banned altogether.

I agree with much of what you say, except about someone dying due to smoking-related accidents. People have accidentally set houses on fire with cigarettes. But other than that I agree.

phe-chan
May 09, 2008, 11:25 PM
I'm not personally for getting stoned just for the heck of it, although I don't think there is really much of a difference between that and getting drunk. Either way, both are bad for your health. Some people are able to smoke a little here and there, and still go about their daily lives, just like some people are able to do the same with alcohol.

I can't really say what would happen if weed was suddenly leagalized over here in the states for regular use. But, I would like to see it legalized for medical reasons. I mean, if someone has cancer, and is having a hard time with pain and eating, then why not let them smoke a little to help? Pot is definitely a lot lighter than some of the drugs that we already prescribe for different health problems.

ZeRO_
May 11, 2008, 02:55 PM
I personally don't smoke but I still see nothing wrong with it. If people want to smoke go ahead let them.

:Kasumi:
May 11, 2008, 04:41 PM
I've never tried weed, but I drink occasionally, and frankly I don't understand why cigarettes and alcohol are okay but marijuana is not. Drunk people are more irresponsible (and more dangerous to others) than stoned people, and tobacco is just as bad for your body. Not to mention marijuana may have analgesic (spelling) effects, judging from studies on people with terminal, painful illnesses like cancer. If the governments are going to prohibit dangerous substances they could at least be coherent: either you outlaw them all (pot, alcohol, cigs, etc.), or you don't outlaw any at all. My opinion: legalise it.

sk.nite
June 28, 2008, 08:20 PM
It should be legalized, it's a grat recreational drug. Of course it has adverse effects on your body, but as it was stated in a previous post, a lot of things do that and people still do it. If it is used with moderation it has more benefits than disadvantages, so to speak.

I'm stoned as I'm writing this, but shhh, don't tell anyone. It's illegal in my country.

goldb
June 29, 2008, 11:27 AM
lol, sk.nite you're funny!!!
but yeah my views on weed and drugs in general is pretty much non existant...because i don't smoke, drink or do drugs, i tend to have fun the "normal way" so i can't really say because i don't what the people who use it feel like. but iif it's used to treat sick people( which i think is illegalto do, right?) should be legalised....

_ATMA
June 30, 2008, 10:34 PM
yesterday wired posted an article about who marijuana has some very useful natural chemicals for all kinds of stuff check it out over here: http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/proof-that-mari.html

KazigluBey
July 07, 2008, 03:52 AM
I really could care less if someone smokes weed or not. I have no interest in smoking it. I must add that the majority of people I've run into that smoked pot habitually were complete assholes and hypocrites when it came to their slothful behavior and their political views about "activism". One can only sit around so long in the house of some lazy psuedo-hippie and listen to his BS about how he/she thinks the world should be.