Your Thoughts On Unohana

[espadaboyzz]

If that's the case, then what about healed Harribel or Starrk? I don't recall those two evaporating or anything; so, they might have been getting to the annihilation phase after lying around fatally wounded. Their final injuries don't seem too much worse than some of the good guys present at FKT. Unohana might have gotten there in time to save them. Do you think she would have healed them too?
:?bunny

I think Unohana healed them off-screen. And someday Starrk & Harribel will lent their power to unohana, who knows?!.
Btw, i think Unohana healed her enemy is because of her kindness and duty as doctors. As far as i can see, it is perfect sense to healed the arrancar because they fight because of SHINIGAMI itself (Aizen). That SHINIGAMI who betrayed them and use them to fight and at the end...that SHINIGAMI trash them like fly... And now maybe Unohana feel responsible for them because the title of SHINIGAMI and show them not all SHINIGAMI is evil. :D

[Crystal Black]

Unohana's healing abilities are nice but what I really wan't to see out of her is a fight. If Kubo is holding her in the shadows for this damn long she must be pretty powerful, I mean there was multiple occassions where he could of had her shown at least why she is considered so strong.

She could have fought with Aizen after he defeated Hitsugaya in that building.

Another instance was in HM where she could of just slaughtered that exequias guy, for even trying to challenge her.

In FKT she could have had a brief fight with Gin or something but that didn't happen.

As far as I'm concerned I would probably on rank a handful of characters ahead of her purely based on hype.

[Bleda]

At the very first SS arc, Unohana

a) was the only one to see soemthing was "amiss" about Aizen's corpse

b) the only person aizen was not willing to fight.

Couple that with the fact that even Shunsui and Ukitake mentions her with utmost respect ans soem fear (and may I remind even the guys at Zaraki's division was scared shitless of her) and her age...

Personally I put her between Yamamato level and aizen-urahara level in combat.

[kkck]

Aizen did not really have to fight unohana in all fairness. He never said or implied he was scared in the least either. As a matter of fact, aizen did not even consider unohana to be part of the gotei 13's military offensive power during the war. I don't think aizen would have had more trouble defeating her than what he would have had defeating any other of the captains he took down.

[Bleda]

We have to agree to disagree then kkck :)

and http://www.mangareader.net/94-625-7/bleach/chapter-171.html

which makes me think that Aizen is at least wary of her.

[kkck]

What about that makes you think aizen was in the least bit scared? or at the very least wary? concerned? Was it his calm smile or his laid back attitude? Or perhaps the fact that he explained his ability is proof that he had something to fear from unohana? It's not like aizen left because he was scared, he left because he had better things to do. I doubt tousen teleporting at the exact same time as aizen and gin was a coincidence, the whole thing was planned.


http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-5/bleach/chapter-393.html
On the other hand, this is proof that he did not consider unohana to be in any plausible form a threat.

[Hanihime]

I love Unohana. She's one of my favourite characters.
I can't wait to see her Bankai :amuse

[Katz]

I've always been a huge Unohana fan, she's such a beautiful character and her assets don't rest inside her chest.....I wanna see her in a real fight, either against a fullbring user in the future or possibly against the royal guard (we'll see on the second one)

[espadaboyzz]

What about that makes you think aizen was in the least bit scared? or at the very least wary? concerned? Was it his calm smile or his laid back attitude? Or perhaps the fact that he explained his ability is proof that he had something to fear from unohana? It's not like aizen left because he was scared, he left because he had better things to do. I doubt tousen teleporting at the exact same time as aizen and gin was a coincidence, the whole thing was planned.


http://www.mangareader.net/94-47594-5/bleach/chapter-393.html
On the other hand, this is proof that he did not consider unohana to be in any plausible form a threat.

Maybe it's true that aizen do not fear to Unohana but if aizen can hide his true personality/power... i think it could possible that unohana doing the same thing. By the way, she is one of the oldest shinigami and absolutely lot of experience she has in action/history itself. I dont think that she become a captain because of her healing ability only, maybe more to consider.

IMO, maybe aizen do not consider unohana as a threat that because he knew she wont interfere in fight, i think unohana kind of peaceful person.:amuse

Judging from the character Unohana is = Mystery + Cool + Calm + Peace + Intelligent = Extremely Dangerous and Strong

[Bhoot]

If another one of the captains betrays SS , Yama should commit suicide seriously .

I mean he barely has any of his better half of captains left . Those that remain are either just war-mongrels or held by family respect or well just there coz of being too young or in dept to Yama .

I mean not a single captain besides Unohana is actually a proper captain right now . I mean they are suppose to be those who believe in upholding the laws , respecting human and non-human life yet capable of cruelty to oppress those doing wrong .

I mean have a look at Mayuri , he is there just coz of the resources available . I bet u give him the man- power elsewhere and he'd gladly leave .

Yes we have those Yama students , but they are well boring . They barely do anything since Shusui is lazy and Ukitake is suffering from a mysterious illness .

What does this show of the group leader ? Yes he is powerful and feared [not respected] . But that's it . He can't control his own subordinates , can't even know their true intentions . I mean he gave them the highest honor and power possible .

What does this show to the recruits?? Just leave and become a vigilante when u become a captain or that always doubt ur superiors , who knows they might be evil .

It at first seems Yama is gr8 leader , but look further and all u see is a old man desperately clinging to old set of rules w/o showing any flexibility what so ever .

[kkck]

What old set of rules are you refering to in particular? I have seen a number of such arguments made but I have yet to see such a behavior in the manga. The anime makes yama look like that but the manga rarely portrays him in such a way.


Those that remain are either just war-mongrels or held by family respect or well just there coz of being too young or in dept to Yama .
I agree in that kempachi and mayuri are unstable but I would think that is perhaps why yamamoto can' be replaced right now(its not like either of them would show more respect for anyone else) but I don't think any of the captains is there just for a family name. Shunsui, ukitake and soifon belong to the low nobility and have still shown why they are captains. Not a single among them fails to deserve their position. Byakuya belongs to the highest SS nobility and has shown to be insanely skilled. He is by all intents the most balanced shinigami we have seen and the only one to display special techniques in all areas of shinigami combat. Having so many nobles in the gote1 13 is a tad weird but we have to consider that they might actually be inherently more skilled than regular shinigami. After all, nobles are born with reiatsu while the rest of the people have to acquire it, it would make sense that nobles have a greater affinity to it.

Besides, have you considered that filling the positions for captains is simply that hard? In the first part of the series there were 3 positions available for several months and none of them got filled even considering they had an impending war against a force of similar power. Extremely few shinigami actually have the power to become captains. Even then, do we have any reason to believe that any person we have seen became a captain in spite of there being a more suitable candidate? Even if there was, it is possible to simply challenge a captain for his position.

[WaveBossa]

I'm still in the camp that thinks her demeanor is just a character trait and not indicitive of her being some amazing fighter.

I think she is a healer first and formost. Not saying she cnat fight, but its not her main job.

Unless kubo's proves me different, i'm not gonna join the bandwagon and say ridic stuff like "EVEN AIZEN WAS SCARD OF HER, OMG OMG" or "SHE COULD PROBABLY 1 SHOT YAMA IF SHE WAS MAD"

come on... srsly....

[Takahashi]

There is some mention of her being a Kendo master. Coupled in with being the second oldest captain and being one of the few people we've yet to see actually fight, it's understandable that people hold her highly in the power department.

[WaveBossa]

There is some mention of her being a Kendo master. Coupled in with being the second oldest captain and being one of the few people we've yet to see actually fight, it's understandable that people hold her highly in the power department.

Oh i know its fully understandable. She is a captian, ofc she can fight. I"m just tired of the people who seem to assume she can take out aizen, etc.

If she was more powerful than all the other captains in terms of fighting, she would be on the front line, not healing.

I'm sorry but I just think she is extremely overrated in her fighting potential, especially since almost all of her hype is based on her demeanor, and little else.

[Takahashi]

True, there's no real evidence to say so, (especially not Aizen) but it's coming I'm sure.

[Bleda]

Oh i know its fully understandable. She is a captian, ofc she can fight. I"m just tired of the people who seem to assume she can take out aizen, etc.

If she was more powerful than all the other captains in terms of fighting, she would be on the front line, not healing.

I'm sorry but I just think she is extremely overrated in her fighting potential, especially since almost all of her hype is based on her demeanor, and little else.

And I'm just tired of people who seem to assume that Aizen can take out unohana and etc.

[kkck]

Unohana was said in a databook to have supreme swordsmanship or something along the lines of that but that is hardly an indication that she is the strongest captain or anything of the sort. Her shikai seems to have no melee applications so even if she is a better swordswoman than other characters it would be a roughly mute point as other characters could make up for a difference in skill with actual combat applications of the special abilities of their swords.

Now, on top of unohana for some reason not being considered part of SS military power, there is also the issue that it would be beyond moronic that unohana would have a sliver of a chance in hell against the dude who took out 8 captain level fighters on his own. Heck, aizen overpowered komamura and love, caught rose's shikai with his hand, overpowered soifon's shikai, and blocked a sneak attack of shunsui's with a mere chantless kido. Heck, even if yamamoto was stronger than aizen the guy still saw it fit to go suicide mode on aizen rather than risking a fight. Even a 90th level hado did not outright kill aizen (aizen had the orb but I doubt that actually boosted his power at the time or did anything else other than heal his wounds). Unohana has just about the same chance against aizen as would any of the other captains aizen already blitzed or overpowered.

[WaveBossa]

And I'm just tired of people who seem to assume that Aizen can take out unohana and etc.

Then you are tired of logic, i feel sorry for you.
[hr]

Unohana was said in a databook to have supreme swordsmanship or something along the lines of that but that is hardly an indication that she is the strongest captain or anything of the sort. Her shikai seems to have no melee applications so even if she is a better swordswoman than other characters it would be a roughly mute point as other characters could make up for a difference in skill with actual combat applications of the special abilities of their swords.

Now, on top of unohana for some reason not being considered part of SS military power, there is also the issue that it would be beyond moronic that unohana would have a sliver of a chance in hell against the dude who took out 8 captain level fighters on his own. Heck, aizen overpowered komamura and love, caught rose's shikai with his hand, overpowered soifon's shikai, and blocked a sneak attack of shunsui's with a mere chantless kido. Heck, even if yamamoto was stronger than aizen the guy still saw it fit to go suicide mode on aizen rather than risking a fight. Even a 90th level hado did not outright kill aizen (aizen had the orb but I doubt that actually boosted his power at the time or did anything else other than heal his wounds). Unohana has just about the same chance against aizen as would any of the other captains aizen already blitzed or overpowered.

Good to see someone is actually relying on what we've seen from the manga, and not on "Well when she says things and closes her eyes, people get scared!"

[Bleda]

I tend to be fuzzy logic guy, unlike you who is a Aristotelian logic guy.

BTW, gratz on both you and kkck on not getting the sarcasm.

[espadaboyzz]

I think for now we cant predict anything about Unohana ability because there's no single scene that basically show her in actions, not even her shunpo. So, for this current situation i will accept that Unohana is just an ordinary captain until kubo show us the rest of her performance. If i'm not mistaken, there's special arc/scene to show her in actions i guess...:)

[Tabaro Foka]

I think Unohana is actually evil.She is waiting someone very special to appear before to left Gotei 13...

[Xerneas]

Unohana isn't evil lol. She may still be an antagonist though, if she supports the Soul King and his/its operations. You can tell the manga is headed in that direction after Aizen's speech. I feel like she's actually Kubo's favourite character. He describes her as the most beautiful woman in all of Soul Society, and in battle she has been left completely untouched and flawless. He has her high on a pedestal.

[cloudo]

You and my brother are the only ones I've seen recognize that. Not a finger has been laid upon Unohana. Kubo describes her as pure elegance. He must favor her, every character has had some sort of action in causing injury or taking it, but not her. I find that amazing.

[kkck]

Unohana isn't evil lol. She may still be an antagonist though, if she supports the Soul King and his/its operations. You can tell the manga is headed in that direction after Aizen's speech. I feel like she's actually Kubo's favourite character. He describes her as the most beautiful woman in all of Soul Society, and in battle she has been left completely untouched and flawless. He has her high on a pedestal.

That is not a feat when the character in question has not been in a battle. It's not like she fought an espada or aizen and came out on top.

That said, I have my doubts about the king being evil. Or perhaps it will be a sort of grey point. Can the king be evil if he makes the rules? Or would measly mortals have any business at all with that to begin with? If he is what holds everything together is it really worth it to oppose it then? There are just too many possibilities here.

[cloudo]

She was face to face with an enemy in the Execuia's (spelling), yet didn't have to fight them. What do you say about that? She got a free pass because she was a healer? I think there's more to it than that. Kubo keeps hinting at it, but the fact is there's more to her that no one questions when she says something. It usually goes. Case in point with Ichigo and the way to FKT. With her leading the way. I can't wait till she shows some skills in combat, but I'm not holding my breath as to when.

[Miyagi]

If Unohana is Tsunade of Bleach, I think we shouldn't be expecting much from her. She is a captain, so she can't be very weak but she doesn't seem to be a battle-oriented type. I think the databook mentions that she is skillful at kendo but there are many people that you can't fight using only your sword, without any extra abilities.

[kkck]

She was face to face with an enemy in the Execuia's (spelling), yet didn't have to fight them. What do you say about that? She got a free pass because she was a healer? I think there's more to it than that. Kubo keeps hinting at it, but the fact is there's more to her that no one questions when she says something. It usually goes. Case in point with Ichigo and the way to FKT. With her leading the way. I can't wait till she shows some skills in combat, but I'm not holding my breath as to when.

The exequias guy was eventually defeated by rukia so it is pretty evident that guy had the level of a numero or fraccion at best. Not someone who would have a chance in hell of standing against any of the captains. No one is saying unohana isn't strong, the problem is that people seem to think she could beat the crap out of bankai yamamoto with her hands tied.

[Xerneas]

Dude, I wasn't referring to feats or anything. Kubo LOVES her, clearly, by how she is treated by him.