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Sarmad
January 31, 2008, 10:44 AM
Well let's say that Ace will some day break out of Impel down.
How do you think might that go down? Who'll escape alongside and or who will help him with escaping? Does Ace need help from the outside or is he going to escape ala Prison Break's Michael Scofield!?

Since we know that the first four Digits from the Baroque are also imprisoned in Impel Down, it's not that far fetched to say that they'll help Ace in his flight or are going to escape with him.
I doubt though that Crocodile will play any part in this, but i'm sure that IF there will be an attempt to escape that Mr. 2 (OKAMA KEMPOO XD) will definitely help Ace, since they're connected through Luffy.

What do you think?

Impel Down
January 31, 2008, 11:00 AM
Well, Impel Down's kinda far away from where they are now, so I kinda doubt it. Besides, WB has more of a connection to Ace than Luffy does, so maybe he'll come and fight. I'm also guessing that Croc and Co. have been executed already, so that also kinda gets rid of that idea.

I do think it could be an awesome arc, though. For mainly user-name related reasons.

mars0103
January 31, 2008, 06:02 PM
Well let's say that Ace will some day break out of Impel down.
How do you think might that go down? Who'll escape alongside and or who will help him with escaping? Does Ace need help from the outside or is he going to escape ala Prison Break's Michael Scofield!?

Since we know that the first four Digits from the Baroque are also imprisoned in Impel Down, it's not that far fetched to say that they'll help Ace in his flight or are going to escape with him.
I doubt though that Crocodile will play any part in this, but i'm sure that IF there will be an attempt to escape that Mr. 2 (OKAMA KEMPOO XD) will definitely help Ace, since they're connected through Luffy.

What do you think?

hell no, no prison break connections i hate the programm :)

Dice
January 31, 2008, 06:59 PM
I don't think that they have already been executed. But that's just my guess^^
I don't think it's that unlikely that all prisoners work somehow together if there is a serious attempt to "prison break" XD. That is if the prisoners realize that there is a real chance.
But something came to my mind. Many of the prisoners are very strong pirates. I guess most of them even with a devil fruit. So there are probably covered with a sea stone (sea stone handcuffs or something like this). So theoretically the really strong one (with a devil fruit) should be weaker than the rest (prisoners without a devil fruit) because the sea stone drains there power, shouldn't they? So there isn't much of a chance to think that Ace will be able to plot a breakout unless there are some really strong ones without a fruit. Maybe even someone like the "hairy-guy" of the cp9 (his powers were not devilfruitish, were they?). But the marine might know about such skills and will take special care of someone like this.
Long story short: I guess if the prisoners see a real chance to escape they might work together. But the impulse for the escape will come from the outside I guess.

Franckie
February 02, 2008, 04:08 PM
I can actually imagine one of two scenarios:

1: Luffy is captured. He is then taken to Impel Down.
2: Luffy hears about Ace, and decides to break into Impel Down.

It's likely Ace is going to be there for a while, so seeing what Oda will do with it remains to be seen. It may be possible, for example, that Dr. VegaPunk resides at Impel Down as well.

Razh
February 04, 2008, 05:03 AM
I'm also guessing that Croc and Co. have been executed already, so that also kinda gets rid of that idea.


It's only your guess. One without any base.
I can almost imagine Oda thinking why he left all those characters alive instead of just killing them. "I'm just gonna execute them, then reveal it in some side story arc...":o



It may be possible, for example, that Dr. VegaPunk resides at Impel Down as well.

Sure, it's possible. But that's just a plain shot in the dark.

Ustegius
February 04, 2008, 02:42 PM
Croc and Ace escaping together. Not imposible. I mean Oda is Toriyama fan. I can see it in my eyes:

FUU-SII-OON!!!
GlassGlassman Crocace on the loose!!

xD

The Boff
February 04, 2008, 06:49 PM
Croc and Ace escaping together. Not imposible. I mean Oda is Toriyama fan. I can see it in my eyes:

FUU-SII-OON!!!
GlassGlassman Crocace on the loose!!

xD

if i could i would ban you for speaking such atrocities...... nah im just playing.

Noitora518
February 08, 2008, 04:44 PM
i thought crocodile was dead

Akainu
February 08, 2008, 05:02 PM
where did you hear that from?
luffy never kills and the last we have seen from croc was that he was headed to Impel down.

Razh
February 09, 2008, 11:21 AM
Last we have seen from Croc is him sitting in a cell indiferrently.

lordHokage
March 11, 2008, 07:48 PM
I think Ace is waiting right moment to break out of Impel Down. Either or both Straw Hat Crew and Whitebeard Crew or someone else would play a big role in his escape plan. :blink

Highseas7
March 20, 2008, 11:33 PM
im pretty sure when Ace escapes from impel down its gonna be great and he will def have help, and those people that will help him that will be his pirate crew, because you never knw if whitebeARD HELPS HIM OR NOT

Igglemaru
March 21, 2008, 04:35 AM
i reckon ace will know how to beat blackbeards fruit, and be like a plot item for luffy in future, but i think whitebeard and/or shanks will help him out.

Crude
March 21, 2008, 06:18 AM
A prison break at Impel Down would be awesome! Just imagine Whitebeard's crew bursting into Impel Down, creating chaos while everyone tries to escape.

GrandiaKnight
December 10, 2008, 04:37 PM
I don't think that Luffy will be able to rescue Ace in time and the fact that all his crew members are scattered all over the place makes me think he's going to be on his own for most or all of this arc. I also think he's going to be captured by the Marines and actually end up in the prison. This will then give the rest of his crew the time for the power ups as there's only a week and that's not enough time for them to properly power up and get to Impel Down. It might even turn into a time skip who knows!

Of course there is another way it could go. He fails to rescue his brother but he ends up on Whitebeard's ship and there he learns how to use Haki. Anyway those are my thoughts!

bittman
December 10, 2008, 09:09 PM
I agree with neither....so I disagree...

* Getting captured: Unless it's for a short amount of time. I'd rather see Luffy travel the seas to re-collect his nakama rather than have him sit out for a while. Besides, Oda loves Luffy so much he can barely put him out a panel for more than 2 chapters. I wish Bleach learned from this and actually showed us the main character once in a while...
* On Whitebeard's ship: Oh god no. Unless they're ferrying him to Shabondy, being with Whitebeard to learn Haki is just going to result in some poor plot. Especailly when Whitebeard dies at the end of this arc =P

Anyway, I expect Luffy to escape...somehow. He may get captured to get inside the prison and break out later because I do expect Impel Down to be an arc to remember and thus it will need to be longer than the 6 chapter Kuja arc. I don't expect his nakama to arrive, or at least more than just one who may come to rescue him.

My overview prediction is: Luffy saves Ace and Ace becomes new Whitebeard leader when Whitebeard dies at the hands of Blackbeard. Luffy's "boss fight" will be against someone fairly powerful where he may or may not win (possibly a high ranking marine, Garp or an Admiral even) but I expect help from Jimbei, Buggy and maybe Hancock.

JC123
December 12, 2008, 02:06 AM
Ace has a few things to learn. He's second commander. I believe Marco or someone else is first. I can see Ace as Second for someone. But at this time, I don't see him having the traits needed to be the captain.

From what it looks like, Crocodile, Arlong, Jinbei, Buggy, Luffy, Hancock, and a few other characters we've yet to meet are currently going to be busting out of ID.

Whitebeard is looking to bust in. From the looks, if they can get a certain distance away from the carnage then they'll be able to escape without too much violence happening. (you can see where I'm going with this)

So yes, things will be FUBAR and odds are, Luffy's gonna mess it up somehow. But I have to believe that busting out is going to be pretty straightforward once Jinbei's been unleashed.

Razh
December 12, 2008, 06:45 AM
I predict a total chaos inside ID, resulting from both Buggy's escape and Luffy's arrival.
Battle throughout entire ID involving Supernovas, Jimbei, Crocodile, Buggy and who knows how many others who are locked there. There's even a possibility that Tom is still alive.

Oh yeah, just imagine Sengoku's face when he finds out that Luffy had something to do with it.

SilversDKRayleigh
December 13, 2008, 06:34 PM
I predict a total chaos inside ID, resulting from both Buggy's escape and Luffy's arrival.
Battle throughout entire ID involving Supernovas, Jimbei, Crocodile, Buggy and who knows how many others who are locked there. There's even a possibility that Tom is still alive.

Oh yeah, just imagine Sengoku's face when he finds out that Luffy had something to do with it.

I agree Sengoku's face will be pretty funny when he learns what luffy did, but it will be even funnier if garp is with Sengoku when he finds out.

bittman
December 13, 2008, 10:56 PM
My resultant prediction is that Sengoku will approve a full time chase on Luffy by the marines rather than the casual look they give to most rookies. And who would he task with this? Why, Smoker would only be too happy to accept.

Gecko Moria
December 13, 2008, 11:31 PM
I predict a total chaos inside ID, resulting from both Buggy's escape and Luffy's arrival.
Battle throughout entire ID involving Supernovas, Jimbei, Crocodile, Buggy and who knows how many others who are locked there. There's even a possibility that Tom is still alive.

Oh yeah, just imagine Sengoku's face when he finds out that Luffy had something to do with it.

Yep. Total chaos within Impel Down. With WB's crew and luffy ripping up the place, prisoners escaping etc not even the marines can stop it. And the WG will be a laughing stock when people learn that their strongest prison just got wasted :kukuku

Onomatopoeia
December 13, 2008, 11:44 PM
Yep. Total chaos within Impel Down. With WB's crew and luffy ripping up the place, prisoners escaping etc not even the marines can stop it. And the WG will be a laughing stock when people learn that their strongest prison just got wasted :kukuku

I actually doubt that WB will get near Impel Down in that he'll be fighting the Marine's/Shichibuki's at the same time.

Thats the only way I see Luffy not having to deal with an admiral or two. And we all know how those meeting turn out.

SilversDKRayleigh
December 14, 2008, 01:39 AM
we still don't know where the third admiral is so he might be stationed at ID but who knows cause we still have to wait a full week to see how he gets in and to see what the hell is up with the Minotaur like creature.

RobinotX
December 15, 2008, 07:00 AM
My thoughts:


Luffy breaks in
Whitebeard makes a ruckus outside Impel Down. Which will make it easy to keep Luffy hidden. Buggy also get's some nice shot out of this.
Luffy finds different prisonners.. and will end up seeing Buggy. They cooperate.
Then about the StrawHats. (I have to look for that) But I saw that some of the Straw Hats didn't got a vivrecard. I am expecting that Rayleigh or the Vivrecard is in Impel Down or close to it. Or on a place somewhere else. So the people who have a Vivre Card will follow it. While the ones who hasn't use their common sence and go to Sunny-Go.

Kaiser Will
December 15, 2008, 06:32 PM
Humm?
My thought is that Luffy will destroy another Marine Island, first EL now ID, maybe next will be HQ, because the way the things are going, he is going to release his brother with a little help from Hancock! Maybe from Jinbei too, although is very unlikely!
But what I want to know is if Akainu is in ID?
If he really is will be him the first Admiral that Luffy will managed to beat?

SilversDKRayleigh
December 15, 2008, 09:02 PM
Humm?
My thought is that Luffy will destroy another Marine Island, first EL now ID, maybe next will be HQ, because the way the things are going, he is going to release his brother with a little help from Hancock! Maybe from Jinbei too, although is very unlikely!
But what I want to know is if Akainu is in ID?
If he really is will be him the first Admiral that Luffy will managed to beat?

That would be interesting to see him hold his own against an admiral since hes gone against 2 but got his @$$ kicked both times. I'm also curious to see what Akainu's DF would be cause every admiral's power has something to do with their color in their code name.
Admiral Aokiji-blue pheasant= ice ice fruit
Admiral Kizaru-yellow monkey= light light fruit
Admiral Akainu-red dog=?

Any guesses on his power since the fire fire fruit is taken

Tsukisama
December 16, 2008, 01:00 AM
That would be interesting to see him hold his own against an admiral since hes gone against 2 but got his @$$ kicked both times. I'm also curious to see what Akainu's DF would be cause every admiral's power has something to do with their color in their code name.
Admiral Aokiji-blue pheasant= ice ice fruit
Admiral Kizaru-yellow monkey= light light fruit
Admiral Akainu-red dog=?

Any guesses on his power since the fire fire fruit is taken

I would prefer that theories on Admiral Akainu and his DF go into his own thread, which he has (here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36835)). It is best to keep this thread focused on the topic it already covers, and it is a fairly broad topic already.

I am not sure where Oda exactly will be going with this ID plot. I would be surprised, though, if Akainu showed up here since he is probably still too strong for Luffy and this really would not be the best time for Luffy to be defeated again.

My biggest question about this is how far does Luffy plan to stick with Hancock while in ID. I think that they will likely meet up again after he has done his business in his rescue attempt, but I can't really see Hancock going all the way with Luffy here at ID. Hancock's Shichibukai status is far too great an asset to Luffy and the plot for her to have it revoked in ID (unless Luffy and Hancock spend a lot of time in ID and chaos ensues from WB arriving and beginning his attack).

Currently, I am thinking that at some point Luffy will separate from Hancock once Hancock is taken to see Ace. Then, she will leave with the guards, allowing Luffy some alone time. (Garp will probably leave with Hancock to escort her to the other Shichibukai, since Momonga would make him realize that he is needed as well.) Beyond that, I have no clue.

Sarmad
December 19, 2008, 05:53 PM
It's been almost a year and there we have Luffy's first ally for his "rescue plan" - Buggy!!

Jinbei is probably another ally to join the "flight with a bang" club! And i really hope that Mr 2 might join them too along the way, creating the yet weirdest temporary group in One Piece history. ^^
I can't imagine where this is even going!

Even Garp could decide betray the WG for his grandson's (Ace') sake and pair up with Luffy, Buggy, Jinbei and Mr. 2 XD (not to forget Hancock)

Kaiser Will
December 21, 2008, 01:12 PM
BTW Garp is still in ID, so he will know about Luffy breaking in trying to save his brother!
And maybe we will see Jinbei there too, and, who knows, he can help Luffy a bit!

Ah in the end, I think that ID will be destroyed just like EL!
The next that the SH or WB will destroy, with the upcoming war, is Marine HQ, and that would be awesome!

LoS
December 22, 2008, 06:32 AM
BTW Garp is still in ID, so he will know about Luffy breaking in trying to save his brother!

Actually you don't know that. The last time we saw him Luffy was still on the marine ship en route to ID. Garp could easily have left by now.

kikrox1
December 23, 2008, 01:12 PM
in his condition i dont think hes strong enough to break out or to just stand up right now and since luffy is now workin with buggy i can see some strange alliances coming up but none with ace

Sarmad
December 31, 2008, 09:13 AM
LOL guys i won't say that i said so, but see!! Baroque Works is still in the game XD

I didn't think that we'd see Mr.3 again though :O

Jammin
December 31, 2008, 10:38 PM
I think Impel Down might just end up meeting the same fate as Enies Lobby. Luffy has a way of demolishing places like that without even really intending to.:p

With powerful cards like Crocodile, Hancock,and that other shichibuki still in play, Impel Down is like a powder keg. I predict when Luffy leaves that place it will be in ruins. Smoldering ruins....

Darek Khort
January 01, 2009, 04:26 AM
I think Impel Down might just end up meeting the same fate as Enies Lobby. Luffy has a way of demolishing places like that without even really intending to.:p

Hmm...I kind of doubt that. Who would rescue Luffy and Ace when they are drowning from sea water leaking into the place?

And there's an interesting little problem to fightin in Impel Down. The levels are all in the sea; if he were to go all out and start filling the place with holes, there's bound to be sea water leaking in. What if he starts making a ruckus at, say, Level 2? Sea water would be leaking in and it would start filling Level 5-6; but he needs to go all the way down there; rescue Ace, then go all the way back up with the water level rising.

That would be interesting. Who would save them? Almost everyone except the guards and bullgori and perhaps the Level 1 prisoners are (as far as I can imagine) devil fruit users.


All that said and done; I do believe Luffy will destroy Impel Down. It is like an upgraded version of Guantanamo Bay; Luffy being who he is will definitely destroy it; intentionally or not.

SilversDKRayleigh
January 01, 2009, 04:52 PM
The Merry Go will come back from the dead and rescue him.:p

Maybe thats when his crew will come into the picture to come and save him or they will take over the marine ships and use those to escape.

Mr.Popo
January 04, 2009, 06:30 PM
Here is my prediction of how i belief Luffy&Co will escape from Impel Down:

As we all know Luffy is currently in ID, an underwater sea prison surounded by ten battle ships inside the Calm Belt and only accessable through a big gate while riding on the spiral current.

I think Luffy will go down the five or six levels and rescue Ace. After that his crew (or at least some of them) will pop up right in time at the right locations to help.

It was said that only marine ships can ride the spiral current and enter and exit through the big gates, but Sunny can just jump in and out and is therefor also able to use this fast route. So the SHs can travel with Sunny to ID.

Nami will probably learn something about wind, so she might be able to do some have damage to those ten battle ships abound ID, at least enough to keep Sunny save.

Then there is the submarine which they can use to free Luffy&Co from some of the lower levels, so they do not need to fight their way back to the surface.

bittman
January 05, 2009, 09:12 PM
Two things I predict:
1) Strawhats will not magically appear. I mean, Robin is in the freaking East Blue as a captive and most of the others have next to no means of traveling away from their current location let alone reaching ID when Luffy took 5 days only after using a special current. For the Strawhats to appear, they would have had to land on islands within all within 1-3 days travel from ID. It's geographically impossible.
2) Luffy will escape with some merman assistance. I doubt Oda would revisit all the levels again after descending through them. Perhaps even level 6 has a way out through other means? Re-revisiting all the upper levels sounds like a bad game after all which makes you repeat what you've done to lengthen the game. Since One Piece manga doesn't filler itself, it won't happen.

Fox666
January 06, 2009, 03:10 AM
1) Strawhats will not magically appear. I mean, Robin is in the freaking East Blue as a captive and most of the others have next to no means of traveling away from their current location let alone reaching ID when Luffy took 5 days only after using a special current. For the Strawhats to appear, they would have had to land on islands within all within 1-3 days travel from ID. It's geographically impossible.Yeah, that's a big deal. Time for "fifty and sixty person" chapter title?

It took 500 chapters to go to the other side of the Red Line. :darn Can't be that easy to they meet again.

JinxJen
January 29, 2009, 10:24 AM
There are some theories that the SH crew would appear out of no where in ID to aid Luffy. But I really doubt it. I think Luffy will have to solo the ID arc by himself. Maybe they could show up after Luffy saved Ace out of ID.

Let's remind you that other Strawhat's members are now in the places that news (about Ace) cannot be reached :s. So I doubt that they could quickly move as fast as a marine ship to ID even if they read the news. They have to think how to get back to Sunny first.

Nami is in Sky Island (definitely no news)
Franky is in Grand Line. Maybe there's news. But I doubt that he could know it, because the country of genius means people who would not bother with world's issue (geeky).
Sanji, you know right now he's in the state that cannot read the news. Even if he did read, I doubt that they would let him go :D
Usopp is in a jungle with a jungle man and Heracles doesn't look like the type who could read news. (Beside, I doubt he could be any help much if he didn't master anything)
Brook is on a poor island who still believe Satan nowadays. do you think there could be news. Beside does Brook know that Ace's Luffy brother?
Robin is in East Blue and handcuff and laboured. I can say this is also another prison. She has to think the way get out of this situation first. And then think the way to back Grand Line (without using the Reverse Mountain) and then back to Sunny. One week is so little.
Chopper is in an island ruled by bird now. And bird doesn't read news.
Zoro has trouble enough with Perona. And with his lost nature, Perona is his only guide to the way back. But at the place they are now, there is no news.

Rayleigh said he needs at least 3 days to coat Sunny. But the SH crew went to flying at least 3 days. So the 3 days is void. Because Kuma and Rayleigh cathood together. I doubt that the SH crew could return back in 3 days by themselves. Maybe Kuma told Rayleigh just takes your time for coating because the SH won't be back after the war is over.

Luffy right now took 1 day flying to Amazon, 1 day staying in Amazon, 4 and half days flying 4 day from Amazon to ID. He almost took a week. And their only 1 and half days left to Ace's execution. So Luffy must save him out of ID in this arc or the marine will come to pick Ace to Marine HQ.

I did say in this arc, Luffy right now need a key that can open any lock (Mr. 3) or a sword that can cut any chain (Mr.1 maybe), someone who could act like a bait (Mr.2 disguised as Ace or Luffy), someone who could fly (Buggy?) because if Luffy keeps making hole from level to level, the only way out is fly though the hole. Well, at least in ID, the boss is not much like Lucci so I think he could beat them. Well, when he could get Ace and Jinbel out of the sea-stone handcuffs, thing could get easier. Also Hancock is the best role to distract, just turn everybody elso to stone. Hancock!!!