Hangout Vinland Saga Hangout Thread [Archive] - Page 2

Ratatosk

September 05, 2009, 06:49 AM

Do you guys think that Thorfinn will return to that village where Askeladd's party stayed for winter, once he and Einar buy themselves freedom (assuming they do)? I noticed that it was in Jutland too, when I was trying to find Thorfinn's conversation with Horda, the slave girl..

can't be a coincidence.. nice one spotting that. I knew I should've kept track of where they were in the story :)
it was worth re-reading that conversation just for the irony.
(I suppose it might just be a coincidence, there's no accounting for what this writer will do to mess with us. Like the Artorius thing.. in any other manga it would have been a significant thing for Askeladd's 'destiny' or whatever, turns out just to be a slightly sad bit of character development.)

I'm sure something will happen to free Thorfinn before he buys his freedom, that would take years..

I hope it's this month, just late..
Obviously there aren't as many people scanning manga as I thought.

linuxnewb

September 06, 2009, 02:19 AM

There is no mistake, it is not in afternoon magazine this month... I bought the magazine and looked through it. Was in Japan last week and thought I would read it. I don't know the reason why either. No mention of it in chapter 56 from what I can see from the raw.

Wentwarth

September 06, 2009, 04:03 AM

Thanks for the explanations, everyone, and for confirming the break, linuxnewb. :) It probably has something to do with vol.8 extras and cover art - it was originally scheduled to be published in August, but now Kodansha's site lists it as September's release.. Guess they needed a little more time to prepare it.

I'm looking forward to seeing the updated map - Denmark should be on it and I'll be able to satisfy my curiosity about villages' placement. :amuse

I'm sure something will happen to free Thorfinn before he buys his freedom, that would take years..

But a year and a half has already passed since Askeladd's death.. I think mangaka will dedicate a significant amount of time to the rest of Thorfinn's existence as a slave. The prologue was 55 chapters long after all.

Ratatosk

September 16, 2009, 07:21 AM

Did this get licensed or something? for some reason the download links are disabled because of 'licensing issues...'
Or is it like that with all the series on this site?

strangeness.

I can't see any references online, so I guess not..

Wentwarth

September 16, 2009, 07:33 AM

I don't think it was. Downloads are disabled for all series that are published in Afternoon and Morning and I'm guessing it's the same for the rest of Kodansha's magazines.

Edit: Found the quote.

We had to take down all manga by Kodansha regardless of the international license status since we were contacted by the Japanese publisher directly and not by an US-American license holder.

This includes Space Family Carlvinson as well.

sabret00the

September 16, 2009, 07:52 AM

Yup, even the WSM mags are down. :(

Okuni Sensei

September 16, 2009, 11:33 AM

Kōdansha owns 7 manga magasines T___T : Betsu Fure, Nakayoshi, Afternoon, Weekly Shōnen Magazine, Monthly Shōnen Magazine, Monthly Shōnen Magazine Special, Seasonal Shōnen Magazine Wonder.
It's really huge.

Argh, it's awful. Hopefully for me, Vinland Saga is edited in french. But I'll have to wait for one year if there is not another solution. MH is the main raw provider in the Internet.

Wentwarth

September 16, 2009, 01:46 PM

^
I'm pretty sure you won't have to wait a whole year. Hox isn't planning to quit translating VS, as far as I know, and it's not like you can only find RAWs on MangaHelpers.. *cough*

The whole situation doesn't seem all that bad to me, to be honest. The administration was asked to take down all Kodansha's series and not just Vinland Saga, I imagine it would be much worse if they were dealing with each manga separately. And this action can mean that they're going to release some of their titles in English and that's always a good thing.

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3215/1234606802cl.jpg

Okuni Sensei

September 16, 2009, 02:00 PM

Askelaaaaadd *w*
This cover is wonderful, Hope we can have it bigger soon ^^

Yeah, there's other sources.
And there's worst than our case : this happens when it remains only two chapters for tsubasa chronicles. Its fans should be furious...

Nehszriah

September 16, 2009, 09:11 PM

It figures that not too long after my group tries to fill in the gaps for some Vinland Saga on this website, it gets taken down. >>' I even wanted to get other language translators too. Oh well. That's luck for you. Anyone know of a good (and free) file sharing site? :D *shot*

I do hope the issue is resolved quickly though. It would be a shame if we, as the fans, were unable to partake in the very thing that makes us fans. I'm also wishing for a North American release of Vinland Saga soon, as that would let me (and a lot of other fans here) finally be able to support the series and still understand what the heck is being said. If we aren't able to pirate anything, then how would the publishers know what in the heck to purchase the rights for?

New volume cover is BAMFing, by the way... just putting it out there.

Wentwarth

September 17, 2009, 05:08 AM

It figures that not too long after my group tries to fill in the gaps for some Vinland Saga on this website, it gets taken down. >>' I even wanted to get other language translators too. Oh well. That's luck for you. Anyone know of a good (and free) file sharing site? :D *shot*

Ugh, so sorry for you. And for the people who were releasing VS in another languages.. hopefully their fans will be able to find the chapters elsewhere.

Yeah, there's other sources.
And there's worst than our case : this happens when it remains only two chapters for tsubasa chronicles. Its fans should be furious...
They probably are. I heard about the ending and I'm not even in that fandom. *shrugs*

I've seen your post in the community and since I don't want to log on to LiveJournal, I'm going to reply to it here~ It seems like there was an explanation in the comments section of Afternoon - Makoto Yukimura got sick and missed the deadline. There's no scan to confirm it, but I've heard about it quite a few times (after I posted about the break having something to do with the cover, that's it).

Okuni Sensei

September 17, 2009, 06:39 AM

Oh, I didn't heard or read it ^^
I'll update my post in LJ later, then. Thanks.

Nehszriah

September 19, 2009, 04:44 PM

Okay, I'm probably going to sound really stupid, but here it goes...

I was browsing around on mangaupdates earlier and saw that on Vinland Saga's page (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=1568), there was another magazine listed with Afternoon as being the one the series publishes in called Morning Two (http://www.mangaupdates.com/publishers.html?pubname=Morning+Two). Does anyone know anything about this? Should I be wary of this information or not? I don't want to cause any panic for nothing, but at the same time am unsure if this was a typo or not.

Wentwarth

September 19, 2009, 05:34 PM

From what I've seen, Morning Two (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B02) isn't linked to VS in any way, they may have confused it with Magazine.

Nehszriah

September 19, 2009, 05:38 PM

Okay, cool; as long as someone knows what's going on... it's all good. Thanks, man.

zillac

October 01, 2009, 04:40 PM

a new chapter! finally!

basically, the chapter is about the landlord's son, who is a idiot, wanting to be a hero and go on to the battle field.
the body guards are instigating the son that he needs the experience of killing someone to be a real man, and the slaves are the perfect choices.

so... I think this will make things going.

nat

October 01, 2009, 05:47 PM

I didn't find the scanalation. only the raw :(

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z2EYWZ80

ameya730

October 01, 2009, 11:37 PM

http://www.onemanga.com/Vinland_Saga/57/01/

enjoy the chapter

Shanamir

October 02, 2009, 02:09 PM

Well, there wasn't much action in chapter 57. But judging from the last pages, a lot is going to happen in next ones.

I like the way the young master was introduced, but his character is a bit too... exaggerated? He's too obviously an opposite of Thorfinn. I don't think such an idiot could survive these times, even if he was a son of a farm owner. But contrast between him and Thorfinn is necessary to show how much Thorfinn has changed, I guess.

I'd like to see Orman's face when he tries to kill Thorfinn. Or Einar's :)

Nehszriah

October 02, 2009, 09:37 PM

I'm with you there. I don't think things are going to stay in Ketil's farm for very long though from the looks of it. Something in my gut is telling me Einar and Thorfinn are going to need, or be forced, to hustle out of there.

I do agree with you on if Orman tries to kill Thorfinn or Einar. The result will be hilarious.

It kind of stinks how Einar could quite possibly be laying the guilt on Thorfinn without knowing it. Poor bloke.

Okuni Sensei

October 04, 2009, 03:37 AM

The young master's only seventeen (*avoiding tomatoes from all the youngsters of MH*), he lives in a privileged situation. Then, even if he received a minimum of education with weapons (I do believe like Shanamir he's a bit exaggerated), it's definitively not at the level of a kid like Thorfinn who grows in battlefield.

Then I'm looking forward to see which one between Einar and Thorfinn he will pick, in any case it'll be epic... But if it's only the "young mister", there's probably not that much ruckus, some slap and it's done. I'm sure than even Einar still can hush him up.
The real danger are the followers, the band won't stay still and will surely attack, and here it'll be the real fight for Thorfinn.

Nehszriah

October 28, 2009, 11:35 PM

Hey everyone! There's a new chapter up on Binktopia's homepage (http://binktopia.org/)! It's a bit of a short one, but it still gets a bit of story in.

http://dl02.mangashare.com/Vinland_Saga_058%5BBinktopia%5D.zip

I'm wondering if Thorfinn's attitude is spurred by a dissociative disorder that suppressed many of the memories of his times with Askeladd. It certainly does seem like there's some form of memory-blocking going on, which could have been caused by either the shock of seeing Askeladd or something Canute could have done or even a swift blow to the head. Either way, it looks like Thorfinn's gonna have an interesting character snap soon... I think so anyways.

Oh, and one-sided Einar/Agnes ftw. From what it looks like, there's a possibility she'll be too ditzy to be of much use other than a damsel in distress. >>' I want Ylfa back. D: I can also see Einar, Agnes and Thorfinn becoming some sort of bizarre power trio... but that's enough silly speculation out of me. Bah.

ameya730

October 29, 2009, 12:31 AM

nice chapter i can almost see thorfinn waking out of his memory lose in the next chapter when he realizes that he is about to be killed and his body moves reflexively what would be interesting is if he cuts down the master's son due to this

Ratatosk

October 29, 2009, 03:40 AM

noooo, a whole month or more before we find out what's going on in that boy's head..

Could be right about the memory loss thing.

Another thing; considering how suspicious the whole thing was from the start, and how she probably knows what those guys are like, I wonder if Agnes has gone for the master.

Einar's better than expected in a crisis though. :)

Okuni Sensei

October 29, 2009, 04:32 AM

Binktopia being faster than Hox? It's quite a surprise ^^

Einar's better than expected in a crisis though. :)
Unlike the master's son, he went through a lots of things. It would have been awkward to present him as an useless guy.

I'm a bit confused with this chapter, especially with his attitude of sacrifice :s
Dunno if it's for his blockade. Since in last chapter he remembered the raids he took part, then the blockade is about Askeladd's death only.
Let's see if his "memory back" will have any real consequences.

About Agnes, well, I don't think she knows about the plot. She stays still probably because slave's words are not that important and wouldn't have change anything.

I'm sure than even Einar still can hush him up.
I was right xD

nat

October 29, 2009, 11:12 AM

My thoughts exactly on Thorfinn. It does explain his attitude that he has memory loss, also the author would have a difficult time explaining it otherwise.

Shanamir

October 29, 2009, 05:20 PM

I can't say I'm satisfied with the new chapter. Judging from the way the previous one ended, I thought it would be more dramatic... but there were more comedy scenes instead. I don't really know how to explain what I think... but two main characters being killed is quite a serious thing, yet this chapter is more like a comedy... just look at page 16.
And if that man with slanted eyes thinks that slaves like Einar and Thorfinn should be treated like objects which can be disposed of, why does he bother explaining them the whole situation? It's unconvincing.
But I'm curious about the next chapter, of course. I hope Thorfinn won't end up killing Orman. Or being killed (just joking).
I'm sorry if there are some mistakes in my post - I'm a bit sleepy.

Tumerking

October 30, 2009, 08:38 PM

I highly doubt Thorofin has memory loss. His only goal in life was to kill Askeladd, and he failed. He's just depressed.

It's not that complicated.

Nehszriah

November 01, 2009, 12:57 AM

I highly doubt Thorofin has memory loss. His only goal in life was to kill Askeladd, and he failed. He's just depressed.

It's not that complicated.

Actually, yes and no. Severe depression, which is what you know Thorfinn has to have, has been known to cause memory loss in the form of suppression. When an individual is depressed enough over a certain event, they could block it out so the memory is essentially lost. It would be the same thing as when a traumatic event is hyper-remembered to the point of ridiculousness, except the opposite effect.

It can be more complicated, it might not be. We don't know until it comes, so better have some cards on the table to make things interesting.

Tumerking

November 01, 2009, 09:41 AM

No, i mean he hasn't forgot anything. He doesn't have any memory loss. It's not complcated. The only reason he's acting "bored" is because he's depressed.

What makes you think he's forgotton something?

zillac

November 01, 2009, 09:18 PM

this thread seems to be so full of spoilers : |

because at the beginning of this new chapter, he woke up from a nightmare and the other guy asked "what dream did you see : |" and Thorfinn, "Dream? I do not remember" and later Thorfinn says "It seemed to be a dream I shouldn't forget"
We are just unsure if he has lost his memory and dreamed about the past that morning.

Ratatosk

November 16, 2009, 01:06 PM

Could just be a nightmare, how often have you woken up from a fuckhorrible dream with no memory of what it was that scared you so much..? And hopefully most of us haven't seen as much nightmare fuel in real life as Thorfinn has (that's what reading Berserk is for).

I agree that he's probably just traumatised/depressed. Mind you that last page we saw of Thorfinn at the 'end of the prologue' did have a huge spiral overload of flashbacks from his life. I think it's more likely to be just Thorfinn going crazy from the shock of Askeladd's death, but it could be interpreted as memory loss. But surely if he'd forgotten his entire live in a viking war-band he wouldn't look so unimpressed at some idiot pointing a sword at him, even if he does have a death-wish.

Hopefully next chapter will answer some questions; I appreciate the courage of the storyteller to force his readers to come up with random theories to explain the main character's sudden personality change, but it's been months now..

zillac

November 21, 2009, 11:37 PM

OK. Thorphin has NOT lost his memory.

short excerpt.
thorphin: just kill me and let the other one go.
bodyguard A: hey, be honest and get scared.
thorphin: why? is there a reason to live? people want to live longer because good things happen. mine doesn't. I lived so long and nothing good has happened.

and here comes the boss of the others. he gave punched the bodyguard in the face, then attacked thorphin. thorphin counter attacked, and thought "his reaction is as fast as Ashled. he's even faster than Ashled in instantaneous reaction."

boss: well, your body still want to live.

something like this.

Crydia

November 22, 2009, 02:18 AM

Judging by the pace of the cleaner and translator, the chapter should be done in a few hours, if you know where to look. *cough*a*cough*.

Okuni Sensei

November 22, 2009, 02:42 AM

Héé, the chapter is already out? I expected the next Afternoon for 24th November...
Is it a preview?

At least it doesn't sound like fake for me.

It seem that, indeed it's not memory loss, or at least not a total memory loss. I still believe that he has a blockade roughly of Askeladd's death, but not of his life. Let's see when we'll have more info :)

Crydia

November 22, 2009, 03:06 AM

Well, here's a translation from /a/

page01:
Chapter 59: Snake
vertical text: These slaves have no tomorrow.

page02:
Morning on the Ketil farm --
In this corner [this place] Thorfinn is facing a blade...

page03 just sfx

page04
1: Ouch...
3: It's morning... Heyyy, old man--
4: Old man--
He ain't here-- ?
5: [koisho? dunno]

page05
4: tsk.
5: Old man---!
Where my breakfast at--? Old man--!

page06
1: The hell you talking about when you're just getting up now.
Once you eat, why don't you come help me with the harvest.
Shut the fuck up! [I think]
2: Anyway, breakfast ain't coming.
Take care of it yourself.
3:Shitty old man...
Like I'm gonna make food. What a pain.
4:Ah, fuck it.
I'm going back...

page07
3: Orman-sama can cut me down.
Let Einar get back to work. Today's a busy day too.

page08
2: !?
Wha- What'd you say!?
3: oof
5: Hmph...

page09
2: ....
Sorry, what's your name?
3: It's Thorfinn.
4:Right. Thorfinn-kun. [weeaboo, but that's what it says. maybe "liddle Thorfinn"]
D'you understand the words that are coming out of your mouth?
Your head's gonna get cut off and you're gonna die.

page10
1:Yeah... I guess.
3-4:You...
Fuckin' idiot! The hell you--
guu
5: Quiet, bastard. Ain't none of your business.
6: Did you hear that, gentlemen!
Sometimes~ you meet guys like this--

page11
1:Ya know, I just can't overlook a proposal like this.
You say, 'let him go', but you gotta consider the value of the commodity we deal in.
2:What commodity do you think we warriors handle, Thorfinn-kun?
3:Dunno...
4:We deal in _death_.

pg12
3:No matter who you are, death is scary.
Anyone would make that declaration.
Just check out the young master, he's afraid of other people dying.
Sh- Shaddup! I... I ain't scared...
4: Well, it's fine. Even if you're scared, there is value in death.
If that weren't so, I wouldn't be able to feed myself by the sword.

page13
3: You've got some fear too.
You're scared.

page14
2: Ah, damn, I'm damned hungry.
Heyyyy-- You punks--!
3: やっちまえー gonna regret that
ワアアア waaaa
やめろォ quit it
テメェらぁ you bastards
アハハハ ahahaha
4:...Tsk...
Those idiots are up to some mischief again...
5:やったれ　キツネー yeahhh Fox-

page15
1: Stop it, you fuckin' bastard!
Don't you dare touch him!
3:Come on! Lemme see you beg for your life!
Be honest with yourself, Thorfinn!

page16
1: If you don't hurry up, that measly body is gonna get even smaller!
2: ooh
hii
ahh
いたたた owww
3: hmm?

page17
3: Ohho...
He doesn't even blink, that's impressive.
Well, he's certainly one of the master's slaves...
4: Why...
should death be something to be feared?
5:Hm?

page18
1:You live if you don't want to die, right?
What's so great about living?
5:There's nothing for me.

page19
1:I've lived to this day...
And nothing good has ever come of it.

page20
5: Next up, your eyes.
You afraid?

page21
1: Stop this, Fox!
3: S-
Snake...

page22
1: Ahhh, that was cruel.
Brother... [aniki]
Welcome back... When did you...
2:Fox.
Yes?!
C'mere.
O- Okay.

page23
1:Badger!
Yessir!
Explain.
Yessir!
3:You guys are idiots, total idiots.
Whaddya get out of tormenting some slaves? It doesn't do anything for the young master.
4: B- But... This guy...
He's so impudent...

Page 24
1: Hmm...

page25
1: Sorry about that. These guys are idiots.
My name is Snake.
2: I'm Thorfinn.

Page 26
(No dialogue)

Page27
(No Dialogue)

Page 28
1: Ohh!
2: This guy can do it!
3: He's on the same level as Askeladd. No...In terms of instanteous power, he might even be better.

page29
1:Ha ha!
You see, Thorfinn?
Your body is saying that it wants to live!

Page 30
1: I'm going to sleep.
2: You guys make sure to send them back safely.
3: Got it?
4: If you ever stir up anything like this again,
5: Don't think that you'll be even able to chew your food.

page31
1:Answer me!
Yessir!
3:Thorfinn...
You're...

Page 32
1: Do I...
2: Really want to live...?
3: Just what'll I accomplish...
4: by living on...?

Seems like it's all there.

EDIT: Also, it doesn't seem like memory loss.

Okuni Sensei

November 22, 2009, 03:34 AM

Thanks for translation ^^
Meanwhile, I saw the raw was available in RawParadise :) HERE (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=56Y0S6PC)

Crydia

November 22, 2009, 03:42 AM

Well the new chapter is done on /a/, but I'm not sure if links are allowed in the forums.

Shanamir

November 23, 2009, 11:53 AM

Chapter 59 is quite interesting, there's a new character... but I hope Thorfinn will find a goal in his life soon, or the whole story will become boring.

But I was surprised when I saw Snake sleeping with a book on his face (page 3). In the early Middle Ages books were rare and veeery expensive - nobody would treat them like that.

sabret00the

November 23, 2009, 02:06 PM

Crydia

November 23, 2009, 03:53 PM

Is this our first time meeting Snake? I'm really not sure how I feel about the way that went down. I mean it was just intimidation/killing intent. Are you saying that he's willing to let a talentless bod kill him but not a major talent?

I think Torfinn was taken by surprise by Snake, which it why he reacted the way he did. With Fox, he knew he was going to attack.

newbified

November 23, 2009, 06:58 PM

Or it could be that he felt real murderous intent coming from Snake. Fox was just trying to scare Thorfinn and make him admit he was afraid to die, whereas Snake made an attack that had Thorfinn not dodged, would have killed him.

sabret00the

December 21, 2009, 04:45 PM

The new chapter is on OneManga. Not sure how I feel about this one, ultimately it feels like filler, but it appears that he's building bonds finally.

Lyra Belaqua

December 21, 2009, 11:42 PM

With every chapter I begin wondering even more about just what will be Einar's role in the story. Is he there just to die later on or will he go to Vinland?

Okuni Sensei

December 22, 2009, 04:25 AM

It's me, or his glance changed with Snake's incident? He seem to be more dull, but not as painfully desperate like the previous chapters. More like a little child now.

Kaiten

January 07, 2010, 02:25 PM

During the confrontation with Snake, Thorofiinn's seemed to focus, his eyes looked sharper at the end of chapter 59. That brief moment reawakened his instincts as a warrior. His eyes seemed glazed over again in chapter 60, as he returned to bland domesticity. While I'm not sure what Einar, he is not a warrior, Snake should be the one to reaffirm Thorofinn as a warrior. Sooner or later Harald in Denmark and Canute in England will go to war to unify the throne. I believe Snake will enlist Thorofinn to fight with him.

I'm wondering how he became a slave in the first place. Some flashbacks would be nice.

Drmke

January 08, 2010, 08:41 PM

Yes I desperately want to know what happened during this about a year and a half time skip. I just don't see how Thorfinn became a slave. I guess the shock of losing Askeladd was really hard on him.

Einar might give Thorfinn a reason to live in the future. If they continue their relationship and become close friends, Thorfinn might end up fighting to protect Einar in future wars or from people like Fox. Einar could also help Thorfinn at least begin to understand what it means to be a true warrior.

But the real question is...where is Thorkell? No way he's dead and I really like his character.

Kaiten

January 08, 2010, 08:49 PM

I'm willing to believe he was sold into slavery by Cnut. His punishment for slicing the king should have been death, slavery would have been a commuted sentence.

What I really want to see is more of Cnut. He is my favorite character that is still alive. Besides fighting his brother for control of Scandinavia he will soon be fighting the Angle nobility for control of Britain. The real Cnut was the most powerful Danish king of England, the fictional ones development should be very interesting.

Drmke

January 08, 2010, 08:57 PM

No doubt Canute sentenced him to slavery. The fun of the flashback would be to see how his spirit was broken so much. Even with his "purpose" gone, he was still extremely hard-headed and bloodthirsty. Just accepting becoming a slave for the rest of your life just doesn't like something he would have done without something else occurring.

Kaiten

January 08, 2010, 09:17 PM

Killing Askeladd had been his reason for living from 7 to 17 years old. When he is killed his purpose in life is taken away. Thorfinn had so thoroughly defined himself by revenge with that gone his entire perception of himself died with Askeladd. That is more than enough to break someones spirit. At some point in the manga, as most people have mentioned, he will under take a successful voyage for Vinland. The real Thorfinn did, his child was the first European born in the America's. I expect he will participate in the England wars before that.

Okuni Sensei

January 11, 2010, 04:02 AM

Slavery in Scandinavian people is not (that bad) as in other cultures of this time. he's surely not broken by that. You can easily become a slave, so it's not that exceptional. And he's neither sufficiently attached to Knut, nor that naive to imagine other sentence, except death.
He has just to work around three or four year and can buy his freedom nicely with the sales of wood : wood is not a cheap product, Ketil is really generous to place him at this place. Im general it's for good slaves, as a reward for some good deeds, the regular one live from the sales of farm product, cheaper then longer to obtain freedom.
Slavery in Viking time is not a definitive situation ^^ (being free as well :) )

That's why I, too, believe Knut is the one who make him a slave because he knew Thorfinn won't stay long at this status. He's still too generous too punish more heavily his former bodyguard. I dare say it's probably a show for his counsellors ans vassals.

About Thorkell, following history, he's probably trying to explain to Knut how to deal with a sword properly right now :p
"Remember how you kill Askeladd, yeah? Well, it's not that way 8D" "Then how? >.<"
Poor Knut, he should suffer a bit now :D

tekko001

January 21, 2010, 03:16 AM

The raw of the new chapter is out at raw paradise:

http://kidoailakutrad.free.fr/

Good chapter, at last some background.Nice to see that Canute has turned into a man:amuse and it seems that Thorkell hasn't changed at all ,can't wait for the translation.

Kaiten

January 21, 2010, 10:01 AM

Chapter 61 (http://www.mediafire.com/?mmvjw2mozvm) by Hox!

Shanamir

January 21, 2010, 11:53 AM

I was surprised when I saw how Thorfinn has changed, but it's nothing compared to Canute from the new chapter. I didn't recognise him at first. And this expression on the last page... it reminds me of Askeladd. I hope Canute won't become the new 'evil one', I like his pure character.

Aikyet

January 21, 2010, 12:22 PM

Oh, a new Vinland Saga chapter. Whatever happe...

Whoa!!! I always thought Canute to be awsome, but this is ridiculous. Canute has broken the boundaries of badass!

Even though, he's far away from Thorkell in that department. But a nice change anyway. The boy is shaping to be one good king.

Kaiten

January 21, 2010, 12:48 PM

Canute will never be the "villain", this story is to complicated and true to life to have one. He will end up being Thorfinn's rival for a time. I loved the development of his character in this chapter. How grizzled does he look now? The scar and the beard off set the "pretty" looks of his younger years. He has become such a cagey leader, if not yet wise then very close to it. His sense of justice remains in tact and he has the smarts use it as a political tool. Banning pillaging, rape and enslavement will make it easier to pacify the English he conquers. Yet he is smart enough to know not to simply take the Lord of Mercia's treasure and leave. This is a war of conquest, even if he takes the treasure and an oath of loyalty from him the Dane's position in Mercia will always be tenuous. An English lords primary allegiance will remain with the English pretender. Should Prince Edmund make a move the lord would likely shift sides and join the Prince's army. The shrewd move for a medieval monarch is to do as Thorkell said, kill the general. Canute is savvy enough to know that by getting his own hands dirty his reputation will rise, where as letting one of his generals do it will only improve their standing in his name. Next chapter Canute becomes undisputed master of Mercia, one of the most important territories of pre - Norman England.

Canute is without a doubt my favorite character. Loved this chapter, glad the focus shifted back to England. Hopefully we will find out why Thorofinn is a slave and how he is freed soon. I suspect after Canute conquers England his brother Harald, King of Denmark, will invade, hoping to consolidate Danish territories. There's a good chance through his connection to Snake Thorofinn will come to join the the army of Denmark. For a time.

Drmke

January 21, 2010, 04:46 PM

Great chapter. I agree with Kaiten that Canute banning pillaging is a great way to ease the conquered enemy over to his side. Its amazing how much Canute changed in only a year's time. He is already a man now and soon, will become a great leader.

Okuni Sensei

January 24, 2010, 12:45 PM

Actually I wonder. I don't recall having read Harald and Canute were at war against each other.
Following history, Canute will politically loose against Ethelred and sail back to Denmark in 1014 (which means really soon in the current story time line), then will definitively invade England in 1015 and become officially King in 1017 when Ethelred and his son Edmund II will die (but in some dubious way, Yukimura will probably use the potential plot here :3).
Harald will die in 1018 while Canute is in England. That's how Canute will earn the Dane crown.

On the other hand, there's someone Canute will have from Mercia : his first wife Ӕgilfa :)
(sometimes recorded as his mistress : the wedding was a Dane one, no recognised by church)
I wonder if there's a

Lightsnake

January 26, 2010, 12:45 AM

Worth noting the Eadric of Mercia was a right bastard in life, too. Heck, when he was historically executed, the Anglo Saxon Chronicle even notes it was 'rightly done'

Koen

January 26, 2010, 10:39 AM

Well, I have bought 3 volumes of this manga. I read two of them and I am definitely going to buy more.

I am not up-to-date and I'll try to avoid reading scans but I was impressed by Thorfinn's history. His Father, Thors, is just awesome. How he faced askeladd, not killing his men and yet he had to face dad. The story is really sad

Shanamir

February 22, 2010, 03:53 PM

There's a new chapter (http://hox.fluffypress.com/), 62 :)

Thorkell seems not to approve of Canute's methods :) I wonder if it's important for the rest of the story.

link to scanlator added

Samui

February 22, 2010, 04:35 PM

Good chapter. Canute sure has changed. I'm glad that he became the king of England within a chapter, and both Etherled and his son, Edmund died. Now I wonder what will happen next.

Drmke

February 22, 2010, 04:59 PM

I enjoyed the chapter as well.

Though it said it skipped I think 3 years? That would put the current time past what we saw with Thorfinn. I wonder if the author will show us what Thorfinn was doing during those 2 extra years as well as the prior year.

Ratatosk

February 23, 2010, 06:38 AM

Great art in this chapter, in that page with the burning farms.. and the fields with ridges and furrows that probably look the same even now except the woods have shrunk. It's not very often you read a manga set in the area you grew up in!

It was probably a good move not to show all the stuff with him becoming king, after all anyone can read that in a history book.. instead showing (or making up) the unofficial version, assassinations etc.
Thorkell looks bored and about to do something. Looks like we will go somewhere else next chapter. I wants more Leif Eriksson, or Iceland.

Nehszriah

February 23, 2010, 07:47 PM

Looks like we will go somewhere else next chapter. I wants more Leif Eriksson, or Iceland.

I want moar Ylfa and have wanted moar Ylfa for a while now. =/ The lack of action girls is depressing. Oh well. *shrugs* It's a shame I can't find her gag manga.

Canute though... MAN... that man went from a not-quite limp noodle to a hardened badass in no time flat. :O I like, I like...

ryusuke_

March 29, 2010, 02:30 PM

Hey folks, check this trailer, Valhalla Rising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZeKRUzXqTA

It kinda gives me the impression is loosely based on Vinland Saga: the young blonde kid, the ambush while sailing, etc.

Crydia

April 02, 2010, 07:02 PM

Chapter 63 is out by Hox if you don't already know. :)

baboysai

April 04, 2010, 08:25 AM

benelori

April 04, 2010, 10:27 AM

Can somebody provide another link for downloading the raw?

Kaiten

April 08, 2010, 04:19 PM

just read the chapter. thorfinn's current activities has really stunted his growth physically. He'll never be a tall imposing warrior :(

Anyway, who do you think the old guy is? or what could his role be? Just from the top of my head I'm thinking he's going to contribute to Thorfinn's education somehow... shoot me if it's a stupid theory :p

I'm very disappointed in Thorofinn. How pathetic and beat down he looks. The labor and having his purpose in life removed make him look small and weak in every way. I don't know who the old man is yet, and can't really speculate. I hope he's Thorofinn's wake up call. Someone needs to set him back on the right path soon.

baboysai

April 10, 2010, 01:03 AM

His right path being??? On Canute's side or against him?

Drmke

April 25, 2010, 08:12 PM

Chapter 64 is out! Get it here. (http://hox.fluffypress.com/)

Ratatosk

April 26, 2010, 05:35 PM

Hey, he's still pretty young and probably half-starved, give the guy a break.. He needs to learn how to grow stuff and feed himself by some method other than plundering if he's going to sail to Vinland anyway. And suspicious old men in manga almost always lead to interesting plot developments.
And I doubt this is a manga where there's anything as simple as a right path anyway.

Interesting comment in Chapter 64 though, I always thought they had fields in Iceland. Probably wrong though. (and the volcano news only mentions problems with livestock..)
Unless of course he was bullshitting to hide his field-burning past..

This was a short chapter, hopefully whatever trouble's building up will happen soon :D
poor Thorfinn..

xi0

June 18, 2010, 12:36 PM

This thread will now serve as the hangout thread for the new section. Any discussion that doesn't really need it's own thread can occur here.

fxu

June 19, 2010, 06:42 PM

This manga needs to be licensed -_-

I am tired of waiting for a licensing announcement for this manga :(

2 of my favorites mangas are already licensed. Gantz and Psyren. If this one were to get licensed, I can die in peace :) Even though I haven't read it since chapter 50 or so, I still love it and would want to keep a physical copy, and pay my respects to the mangaka with money.

Kaiten

June 21, 2010, 12:51 AM

I'm not counting on it. Del Ray sucks and Kodansha U.S. hasn't taken over yet.

Drmke

June 21, 2010, 01:16 AM

I do wish Kodansha would either hurry up and start releasing more stuff here or just throw Vinland to Viz. I'm sure they would gladly release it.

Kaiten

June 30, 2010, 05:45 PM

Volume 9 debuted at number 5 on the Oricon charts today, selling 87,549 copies.

Drmke

June 30, 2010, 06:04 PM

Is that good for an Afternoon manga or just average. I don't think its bad.

Akiyama

December 01, 2010, 06:01 PM

Makoto Yukimura on twitter @makotoyukimura (http://twitter.com/#!/makotoyukimura)

Roflkopt3r

December 07, 2010, 08:46 AM

It's a little sad that Vinland Saga will never be able to return to how it was anymore since Thorfinn certainly is a totally different character now and many other characters are dead. I don't doubt that Yukimura will continue it in an awesome way though, I have high trust in his skills due to reading Vinland Saga and Planetes.

I just heard something totally reminding me of Vinland Saga:
Lyrics of Rammstein - Reise Reise (a song about seafaring pretty much, "Reise Reise" is a German mariner wakening call. "Reise" usually has a different meaning, but this one is coming from a dialect and means the same as English "rise".
"(...)
Der eine sticht die Lanz' im Heer (One thrusts the spear in the army)
Der andere wirft sie in das Meer (The other throws it into the sea)
(...)
Der Eine stösst den Speer zum Mann (One thrusts the spear to the man)
Der andere zum Fische dann (The other to the Fish)"

It's pretty much the same as Leif Eriksson said to Thorfinn; Than men don't have to fight other men, but can fight the sea as well.

You Say

January 11, 2011, 02:46 PM

I have one thing that's bothering me for a good while. Thors gave Thorfinn a weapon. Scanlation refers to it as "sword" but it looks much more like dagger. Even shortsword is longer than Thorfinn's weapon. So, it's translators mistake, Yukimura's mistake or it just depends on ones personal decision?

Kaiten

January 11, 2011, 05:23 PM

They look like daggers, not swords, to me too. Could be that Yukimura uses a generic term for sword if there isn't an exact Japanese word for western daggers. I'm really not sure. I did notice that too.

Roflkopt3r

January 12, 2011, 05:57 AM

Could be that Yukimura uses a generic term for sword if there isn't an exact Japanese word for western daggers.

In English, the term "blade" would probably make more sense, but of course that depends on the original choice of word again.
I think I didn't even notice it so far. If it was only when Thors spoke to young Thorfinn, then it would almost have some meaning again, as to such a small boy a dagger is just as huge as a sword to a huge man like himself.

Sama_al_Azraq

January 12, 2011, 01:02 PM

In chapter 16, one of Askelad's underling said 短剣 (dagger) when they saw Thorfinn in the boat. So it is a dagger alright. I think when Thors asked Thorfinn if he wants a sword in chapter 7, it's not specifically refers to the dagger, but in a general terms.

Josef K.

February 16, 2011, 11:07 PM

In which chapter did Vinland Saga go from a weekly series to a monthly series?

Roflkopt3r

February 17, 2011, 10:18 AM

In which chapter did Vinland Saga go from a weekly series to a monthly series?

The same time when it became Seinen.
According to Wikipedia: It started in 2005 and was published in Shonen Magazine from april to october 05. Beginning december 2005, it was published in Afternoon. I don't know the source, but Wiki states that the the reason for switching actually was because Yukimura wanted to publish monthly rather than weekly.

Josef K.

February 17, 2011, 10:27 AM

The same time when it became Seinen.
According to Wikipedia: It started in 2005 and was published in Shonen Magazine from april to october 05. Beginning december 2005, it was published in Afternoon. I don't know the source, but Wiki states that the the reason for switching actually was because Yukimura wanted to publish monthly rather than weekly.
So that is around 25 chapters I presume? Hm interesting Vinland Saga was considered shounen from the start, by the author right or was it "If it is in a shounen magazine it is shounen"?

Roflkopt3r

February 17, 2011, 10:32 AM

So that is around 25 chapters I presume? Hm interesting Vinland Saga was considered shounen from the start, by the author right or was it "If it is in a shounen magazine it is shounen"?

The demographic depends on the magazine it's published in, so yeah it was Shonen in the beginning.
Of course that's not random though. A Shonen magazine wouldn't take a title like, let's say, Wolf Guy or Futari Ecchi. Although some magazines are pretty borderline, like Champion Red (Shigurui, Change 1,2,3) which displays nudity and severe violence and stuff and yet is rated Shonen.

Imo Vinland Saga is doing fine as Seinen. Yet, it's not as a level where I'ld consider it as totally out of reach of Shonen. It's still suitable for age 15-16 easily.

I'm having a hard time finding the moment when Vinland Saga switched. If that timeframe mentioned on Wiki is correct, then it should've been rather early. All I know that it definitly was Seinen by Vol. 05/Ch. 29.

Josef K.

February 17, 2011, 11:02 AM

The demographic depends on the magazine it's published in, so yeah it was Shonen in the beginning.
Of course that's not random though. A Shonen magazine wouldn't take a title like, let's say, Wolf Guy or Futari Ecchi. Although some magazines are pretty borderline, like Champion Red (Shigurui, Change 1,2,3) which displays nudity and severe violence and stuff and yet is rated Shonen.

Imo Vinland Saga is doing fine as Seinen. Yet, it's not as a level where I'ld consider it as totally out of reach of Shonen. It's still suitable for age 15-16 easily.

I'm having a hard time finding the moment when Vinland Saga switched. If that timeframe mentioned on Wiki is correct, then it should've been rather early. All I know that it definitly was Seinen by Vol. 05/Ch. 29.
Yeah I always thought seinen was by the magazine but things started to surprise me when "seinen-like" series are published in shounen magazines. But yeah I guess too much nudity and maybe gore violence is a bit too much for shounen. Light hearted seinen perhaps are fine.

Hm, I see, I have started with the earlier chapters and the art really does not impress me that much aside form what I have seen in recent chapters which is pretty good. So I want to catch up to where the manga gets better art.

Hm, it is not long, I guess I can go with the series that long to get to where it is seinen, and by that I mean turning into monthly which thus comes the art being better as well.

Roflkopt3r

February 17, 2011, 11:09 AM

I think it's even improving after that. It's already sweet around ch. 40 or so, but some of the latest arc panels (~70) are just mindblowing.

Josef K.

February 17, 2011, 11:14 AM

I wanted to try it because many say the art is similar to Berserk, though from the first chapters I was not impressed a bit. But then I learned of the whole change thing and everything began to make sense. Hm, ok I will give it a shot just for the sake of seeing the great art that comes afterwards. :)

baboysai

February 17, 2011, 11:30 AM

Roflkopt3r

February 17, 2011, 11:31 AM

Hehe everytime I think "This manga is on par with Berserk!" I go to check back on Berserk and notice: "Damn, Berserk is soooo good...".
Vinland Saga does look great. I don't think that it's really on the same level of Berserk, but close to it. As I said, it even improved during the latest arc. But I think most important is still that a style chosen for a manga looks conclusive and good for itself, and that's totally given for Vinland Saga. And the general panels/composition is great, too.

Some pages might not be just as brilliant in arts and detials as Berserk, but they're just absolutely cool.
Two examples (neither are real story spoilers)

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss203/T33_K3SS3LCH3N/Anime%20Manga/BjornimBlutrausch.jpg?t=1297963737

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss203/T33_K3SS3LCH3N/Anime%20Manga/Strike.png

Josef K.

February 17, 2011, 11:42 AM

yeah the art does improve and in the most recent chapters they just bring me to tears :wtf

I give any manga the chance to improve over time really. If you notice it, a lot of manga get so much better in art after some ten volumes or so (berserk, for one).
The beginning of Berserk is not as good as the current chapters of it, but yes Miura changed the art style to even better as the story prospered. A very good example of art that is hard to draw yet still filled with details and consistency of the characters looks.

@Roflkopt3r

Indeed, I understand Vinland Saga has it's own style to look after and to make it it's own style and not let's say be a copy of Berserk is good. One thing I would say though a manga being like Berserk is nothing to be looking down at. But mostly to me a "manga similar" to Berserk means one that has good art but the art is not a copy.

baboysai

February 18, 2011, 04:16 AM

Well just to be clear anyway, I just pointed out the progression of the art that is inherent in most manga, not just Berserk or Vinland. A lot of manga start out sucky in art. Kokou no Hito is another example.

Anyway, the art really isn't such a turn off in the beginning parts of Vinland Saga. It's very "cute" and curvy and soft despite its subject matter, but the kick-assery of the whole package makes up for it.
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Also, the mangaka really makes use of facial expressions well. I love how he draws the characters' faces in this manga.

Roflkopt3r

February 18, 2011, 08:11 AM

It's Yukimura after all, he had great faces in Planetes already when the overall arts was worse :D
In comparison of panels over time and between different "moods" of the story it sometimes looks like they'ld come from totally different manga, yet somewhat suiting in style. By which I mean that the style differs a lot, but it doesn't look like an unintentional mistake/unconsistency, but rather a good use of various styles.

I don't think that Kokou no Hito ever sucked in arts, but that's a different topic ofc :amuse

Josef K.

February 18, 2011, 03:24 PM

Thanks everyone for the explanation of the art and such in Vinland Saga, oh well this weekend will be filled with free time for me so hopefully I will get far in the chapters, on more thing though this involves the story it has not fantastic elements what so ever right?

Roflkopt3r

February 19, 2011, 01:30 AM

ashher

April 15, 2011, 05:08 AM

Em why should Berserk be always taken as the standard? Its a great manga and may be one of the earliest seinens to reach that height of greatness, but there are some better ones that have come out since. Vinland saga can definitely become one of those. It already beats berserk in non-linearity i believe.

You Say

April 15, 2011, 12:08 PM

I don't personally take Berserk as a best manga or seinen. Yeah, Berserk is really great and I love it. But in fact I like more Vinland Saga than Berserk, actually I like Vinland Saga more than anything. It features my favourite theme middleage and vikings, it has great art. And it excellents in plot and characters psyche. Yukimura Makoto is my favourite mangaka which he proves even in Planetes and Sayonara ga Chikai no de. I enjoy every chapter of VS and I find this slave arc awesome. It features Einar, great character, good friend to Thorfinn. For Thorfinn... his development is really very well done. He was consumed by hatred and only death of his target can save him. I just love Vinland Saga and I hope that it will be still for a long time (It's a saga after all).

Thanks for clarification.

Baron Hugenstein

April 15, 2011, 12:12 PM

@ you say [witty username lol]

I don't see the need for a spoilers here. You aren't talking about the latest chapter or mentioning any part of it ...so you don't need spoilers for that. :)

Kaiten

April 15, 2011, 12:34 PM

xi0

April 15, 2011, 11:27 PM

LoS

April 16, 2011, 02:28 AM

Can someone provide me with a link to a timeline, or maybe spell out the dates for me?

It's been a while since I have read some chapters, but I am completely lost on the dates since the slavery arc started.

I have no clue how old anyone is any longer, I have no clue how long the slave arc has lasted....

thanks in advance for your help

Roflkopt3r

April 16, 2011, 03:24 PM

I think comparisons between the two exist because of the setting, themes, and even some of the characters being similar. However, the narrative thus far isn't THAT similar.

It's more that they look similar.

That being said, I think he's been influenced my Miura at least somewhat.

I really don't see it beeing that similar, I still see the styles beeing vastly different. Both in environment as well as in optical design mainly - there we have the super detailled armors and weapons with every screw and bolt beeing in place in Berserk, and here we got the rather simple clothes and equipment (still looking good though and fitting the scenario) of Vinland Saga.

Also the drawing style of Berserk seems a little "dirtier" to me than that of Vinland Saga, which especially now looks very clean. This is no rating however, it's just a stylistical difference. I even prefer the dirty look of Berserk.

Can someone provide me with a link to a timeline, or maybe spell out the dates for me?

It's been a while since I have read some chapters, but I am completely lost on the dates since the slavery arc started.

I have no clue how old anyone is any longer, I have no clue how long the slave arc has lasted....

thanks in advance for your help

It's a good question, I hope I'll find some time having a look at that these days.

ashher

April 16, 2011, 11:26 PM

Once a chapter has been out for 24 hr. it can be discussed without spoiler tags. That applies to any series in this forum. Anyone reading this thread who isn't caught up is risking spoilers anyway.

I don't entirely like the comparison between VS and Berserk. There are similarities but they're are enough differences that each stand on their own. Vinland is one of the best realistic history series, free of fantasy and super powers, nor romanticizing what the middle ages were like. All the violence is left intact. Berserk is one of the best fantasy series ever written, an epic of violent symbolism. I think has more in common with ancient epics, like Paradise Lost or the Odyssey, than it does with Vinland. Actually, I think Berserk has more in common with One Piece than Vinland Saga. One Piece is the manga Argonautica, an epic voyage in search of the golden fleece. Berserk is the Odyssey, a cursed warrior forced on a violent journey against his will.

Wow so much love for one piece...:p

any case its true that vinland saga and berserk are rather different, but its not entirely impossible to compare between them on general grounds like plot,characterization etc.

on those counts i find berserk (and one piece) rather falling short of the depth in relation to the comparisons you have made for them.

i would say vinland saga has a more feeling of an epic,than berserk,even though the later rather conspicuously tries to become one. May be that's why vinland has done better so far. Instead of trying too hard to be all epic and great, it sort stayed within itself and patiently kept exploring and increasing its own boundaries.

Roflkopt3r

April 17, 2011, 02:39 AM

I think one interesting thing to note is, that Berserk isn't really much about society or human interaction (with society), it's really a lone wolf scenario of interesting individuals clashing which each other.
But in VS it's a lot about behaviour towards others and in society, even though it took Thorfinn quite a while to realise that. Here nobody is totally independend like Gatsu or Griffith are, which also makes it much more realistic in social terms. Even stray dog Thorfinn always was or is part of a certain group and has his dependencies.

This ultimately makes VS a little more adult imo.

xi0

April 17, 2011, 03:35 AM

i would say vinland saga has a more feeling of an epic,than berserk,even though the later rather conspicuously tries to become one. May be that's why vinland has done better so far. Instead of trying too hard to be all epic and great, it sort stayed within itself and patiently kept exploring and increasing its own boundaries.

I think longevity and sales figures would beg to differ. That being said, if you meant "done better" as a statement of preference, then that's something entirely different, but I digress.

I think one interesting thing to note is, that Berserk isn't really much about society or human interaction (with society), it's really a lone wolf scenario of interesting individuals clashing which each other.
But in VS it's a lot about behaviour towards others and in society, even though it took Thorfinn quite a while to realise that. Here nobody is totally independend like Gatsu or Griffith are, which also makes it much more realistic in social terms. Even stray dog Thorfinn always was or is part of a certain group and has his dependencies.

This ultimately makes VS a little more adult imo.

Sometimes I think people get tricked into thinking Vinland Saga is deeper (for lack of a better term) because it's rooted in real history, and doesn't have a fantasy setting. Berserk is just as philosophically deep as Vinland Saga is in my opinion, but the view of it gets clouded by it's Fantasy Epic nature as well as the gore. If you don't think Guts has dependencies than you're forgetting about his past and present (don't want to spoil).

My reply is really going far into Berserk now, so I made it a Berserk Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69434)

ashher

April 17, 2011, 06:12 AM

I think longevity and sales figures would beg to differ. That being said, if you meant "done better" as a statement of preference, then that's something entirely different, but I digress.

Nope i meant 'done better' as from the pov of quality,not sales and longevity. And there are ways to get that 'personal preference' factor out of equation when one really wants to judge the quality,so no point trying to downplay everything into 'personal preference'.
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I think one interesting thing to note is, that Berserk isn't really much about society or human interaction (with society), it's really a lone wolf scenario of interesting individuals clashing which each other.
But in VS it's a lot about behaviour towards others and in society, even though it took Thorfinn quite a while to realise that. Here nobody is totally independend like Gatsu or Griffith are, which also makes it much more realistic in social terms. Even stray dog Thorfinn always was or is part of a certain group and has his dependencies.

This ultimately makes VS a little more adult imo.

I agree to this. Miura got it wrong in what makes the epics epics. its not just the great struggle of the characters,its that despite all the strange fantasies,the worlds in them does reflect our worlds. An epic deals with a great scope and that's why, in them one would find almost all of the human elements coming into play in different characters without much partiality to any of them.

Berserk has become way too much concentrated on two characters and their rather fancy rivalry.

Vinland saga on the other hand has been so open to its world so far.Many characters with many varied goals,moving the plot in such way that shows so many layers of its society and world...its scale has been quite grandiose. Its been very near to the perfect mixture of introspection and looking at the greater scope of the wider world.

But i will be lying if i say i'm not worried a little at this stage. I hope yukimura won't turn VS into a philosophy-centred one. That will be a let down for me.

Roflkopt3r

April 17, 2011, 07:43 AM

Hm I shouldn't have written that last sentence... Berserk's depth is really often underestimated, and I don't really mean that Vinland Saga is deeper than Berserk. I just mean that it's much closer to reality not only superficially (no fantasy monsters and stuff) but also in it's social interactions and dependencies.

The choice on how many characters Berserk focusses also really doesn't have to do anything with it imo, and again this is going quite far into the corner of analyzing Berserk, which obviously isn't the goal of the Vinland Saga Board.

ashher

April 17, 2011, 08:37 AM

You Say

April 17, 2011, 12:41 PM

...

Askeladd killed Sven (or Sweyn if you want) in early of 1014 if I recall it correctly.
Then we know that Einar was brought to Ketil's farm at the end June of 1015. There he started working with Thorfinn. Then we saw a "Knut's methods" (or Canute if you want) at some part of year 1015. After that in september 1015 Einar and Thorfinn "Needs a Horse". In October they started planting seeds. In November the seeds sprouted out and Thorgrin, son of Ketil, comes back to the farm. Later the servants ruined Einar's and Thorfinn's plantation, which leads to fight. Thorfinn lands a first punch and after that he's knocked out and in his dream he meets people of his past (Thors, Askeladd, Bjorn...). Einar show his might and puts a epic fight againts servants. Servants wents away to tell their master about this.

In latest chapter we've transfered into year 1018, when Knut is going to his brother.

This might be better.

1015
June
- Einar arrives at Ketil's farm where he meets Thorfinn

June - September
- Knut begins to fall under the curse of crown

September
- Einar and Thorfinn meets headmaster of Ketil's farm and begin some kind of friendly relationship with him

October
- Einar and Thorfinn starts planting seeds

November
- Seeds sprouts out and Thorgrin, son of Ketil, comes back to the farm
- Servants ruins Einar's and Thorfinn's plantation
- Which leads to fight
- Thorfinn is knocked out and in his dream he meets people of his past
- Einar show his might and puts a epic fight againts servants
- Servants goes away to tell their master about this

1018
- Knut is going to see his brother and still falls deeper and deeper under the curse of the crown

Thorfinn is probably 19 or 20 years old in Slave arc. Einar is 20 years old. But maybe even 21 during arc, because we don't know when he have birthday And for November, It's not definitive that all of that happened in November.

If you want to edit or add something then go ahead. I hope that I didn't wrote some incorrect informations. But I hope thats not the case.

EDIT: Now when I re-read Slave arc (again, I wonder how many times I already read it) I really admire how well does Yukimura thought up new characters. Einar is simply awesome, great understanding friend and his character is simply epic. Ketil is a kind man who wants to help people (as we saw from the robbery incident). Old Ketil is wise old man who slightly guides Thorfinn and Einar in their lives of slaves. And Patil, I find this character very but very interesting, he was a slave, worked hard and bought freedom for himself but stay with his former master, I assume that he is aware of Ketil's kindness. He sympathize with other slaves but he is still fair and that is what makes him interesting in my eyes. As we saw in robbery incdent he comes up with utterly fair and logical resolution.
I wonder what he will do when Einar and Thorfinn gets to the master after recent fight.

But damn, Yukimura Makoto is genius. And when it comes to the characters he is awesome genius. He makes real believable charaters. I'm sorry but I just can't find a better mangaka than him. Still I like many other mangakas like Okamoto Rin (or Lynn if you want) and Hiro Mashima (great shonen mangaka).

xi0

April 23, 2011, 01:43 PM

Nope i meant 'done better' as from the pov of quality,not sales and longevity. And there are ways to get that 'personal preference' factor out of equation when one really wants to judge the quality,so no point trying to downplay everything into 'personal preference'.

I often have a hard time chalking everything up to personal preference as well. However, when you have two works of the caliber of Berserk and Vinland Saga, which one is better, etc can really only be left up to personal preference. Maybe it's a cop-out, but I prefer to let people have their opinions, rather than look for something that is as definitive as saying one is "done better" than the other, and implying that personal preference has nothing to do with such a statement.

But I digress...

Kaiten

April 27, 2011, 11:45 AM

You Say

May 03, 2011, 07:36 AM

Just for information. In the last volume (10) of Vinland Saga were bonus pages for 71. chapter. Awesome drawing as always.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3559/vinlandsaga10215.th.jpg (http://img850.imageshack.us/i/vinlandsaga10215.jpg/) http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9666/vinlandsaga10216.th.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/vinlandsaga10216.jpg/) http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3829/vinlandsaga10217.th.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/vinlandsaga10217.jpg/)
04 (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/vinlandsaga10218.jpg/) 05 (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/vinlandsaga10219.jpg/) 06 (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/vinlandsaga10220.jpg/) 07 (http://img849.imageshack.us/i/vinlandsaga10221.jpg/) 08 (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/vinlandsaga10222.jpg/)

I think that contents is quite obvious but some translation would be nice. :) And I would personally apreaciate even translation of Yukimura's speech at the cover. I love this part at volumes most. Where author tells us something interesting about his work.

Kaiten

May 04, 2011, 01:58 PM

I can't translate but that's some epic facepalm in the bottom corner of page three :XD

Roflkopt3r

May 06, 2011, 11:36 AM

I can't translate but that's some epic facepalm in the bottom corner of page three :XD

That's a kinda weird angle for that arm by the way :D (and his hand looks strong like a bench vice)
Really curious about what happens there!

Could it be some kind of explanation how Thorfinn and Einar manage to remain without punishment? looks so a lot o_O

You Say

May 07, 2011, 11:34 AM

Here's a miniature of this months Afternoon issue. I must say that is awesome again. I only wonder why Yukimura keeps coloring characters on color pages in such a... interesting way. He gives them a greeny blond hair. Now a blue on a clothes (highly unlikely in year 1018). I like this different style, but still I like more "normal" colors like classic blond and lighty brown clothes. But nah, let's just enjoy this awesome cover.

http://kc.kodansha.co.jp/kc_up/image/MAG/1264/cover/1264.jpg

And I'm sorry to moderators for my previous post. I will make sure that it won't happen again. When I gets some high quality version I'll put it into Color/Cover thread.

Still I wonder what happened in this chapter. Maybe there were even Thorfinn and It wasn't only Knut's chapter... Too bad that Einar didn't get his place on the cover.

sir_arles

September 24, 2011, 10:48 AM

Hey guys. Been reading VS for a while, but didn't realize there was a subforum here at MangaHelpers XD

Vespertine

November 27, 2011, 02:27 AM

Hey, have this been licensed outside japan?

Thanks.

You Say

November 27, 2011, 02:35 AM

...

Vinland Saga is licensed in France, Italia and China. But not in Great Britain or USA, which really makes me mad.

sir_arles

December 29, 2011, 07:57 AM

I really like where Thorfinn is going. Trying to live with Christian ideals in the XI century must have been nearly impossible.

mrsticky005

March 22, 2012, 09:42 PM

I find that a lot of the objective measures of quality for Vinland and Berserk are equal, or close enough to equal. The art, writing, character development, and pace are so good in both that any difference is a matter of preference. Fans of realism might prefer Vinland, fans of fantasy/mythological settings might prefer Berserk. Neither series have any glaring weaknesses, or flaws, to give one a critical edge over the other.

IMO Vinland Saga >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Berserk

But then again I DO prefer realism over fantasy. Basically for me Berserk was good until Midget Witch was brought into the story. Then it started sucking. HARD.

Really the only thing I look forward to in Berserk is Hot N' Nekkid Retarded Casca. I could care less about Guts vs Griffith at this point.

Rickert the Sixth God Hand should pwnage Griffith and then whisk Casca away so he can show her a good time. Guts should get eaten by a moose and die.

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I really like where Thorfinn is going. Trying to live with Christian ideals in the XI century must have been nearly impossible.

The especially cool part is how it contrasts with Canute's twisting of his own Christian faith. Canute is basically only Christian in name and I think Thorfinn
will become the real deal of Christianity or close to it. Canute will use Christianity to his political advantage while Thorfinn will be up against all odds to
stay true to his Christian faith. In a way I think this is actually more interesting than when he was a viking because while Thorfinn will be less violent
it doesn't mean his opponents will be. And if push comes to shove will Thorfinn pick up his sword and fight? It's pretty intense.

You Say

March 23, 2012, 02:43 PM

Ye, Old Nordic Gods which I believe in with my heart, soul and sword, shall have mine thanks for yours blessing. Vinland Saga IS in line up for this months Afternoon Magazine. We can expect new chapter in about week or two, depends on how fast will our great warrior Hox will be, I guess.

About Vinland Saga and Berserk... I actually don't understand why people compares these to works over and over again... Each of these pieces are about something completely different and each of them has completely different narrative part, character development and so on. I guess I'm just too obsessed with details but whatever... To actually contribute to this conversation, I like Vinland Saga much more... I even loved Berserk until this Guts' new band was formed (I hate every one of these characters), but even when Berserk was in good old times I liked Vinland Saga more. While Berserk tends to fall into some cheap fanservise and deformations (a lot in these years) Vinland Saga never suffers from these ailments.
I love Vinland Saga because of its story, because of theme and setting, because of characters, because of drawings, because Yukimura Makoto is my favorite author, because I like Nordic culture for like my whole life and so on and so on.

EDIT: New chapter (81) was released by Hox and HappyScans!. By Gods, that was fast!

ashher

March 25, 2012, 10:21 PM

chapter was out,i even linked it and made a temporary thread for discussion...but it seems nobody cares about vinland saga anymore. what a shame.

sir_arles

March 25, 2012, 10:26 PM

Maybe nobody here at Mangahelpers does...

I think it's great, and getting better and better.

Josef K.

March 26, 2012, 06:27 AM

Sorry for being late everyone, I am not up to date with this series, the new discussion thread was a opened a few days ago, maybe it was unnoticed in the stickies? :s Anyway, I help around this section as well as best as I can. :)

ashher

March 26, 2012, 08:43 AM

^ No need to apologize man. The fault is probably on my side for not seeing the thread. I understand that its probably not too enjoyable to mod a section as unpopular as this one(apparently)...so we owe you loads of thanks for still taking care of it. Personally i think this is very disappointing that ppl just want action and excitement when Vinland Saga offers so much more.

sir_arles

March 26, 2012, 10:04 AM

i think this is very disappointing that ppl just want action and excitement when Vinland Saga offers so much more.

Agreed. It's as if only violence-driven teenagers were the audience of VS.
Luckily, I know it's not the case.

Josef K.

March 26, 2012, 11:16 AM

Being a history buff, history was the thing that got me interested in Vinland Saga, that and really the rumors that you hate that the series is similar to Berserk, plus violence is really a thing that I see marketed to some otaku in Japan. There are people there that really like heavy violence manga. So that must be it, but Vinland Saga is not that of a violent manga compared to some with even weird and more disturbing things.

baboysai

March 27, 2012, 01:01 PM

Although, I don't feel that Vinland Saga is unnoticed in MH.

Because, it was in MH that I got a recommendation for it, and I know quite a few who read it and really like it.

Naturally, progression is slow like any other seinen manga out there produced monthly. Hell, even Berserk with its popularity is quite slow in threads because we really can't help if the source material also churns out slow, and we've said all we wanted to say long before a new chapter is out. The latest chapter becomes stale, and the spoilers for the next one come a lot later. By then we've exhausted our theories, our agonies, our excitement, etc.

mrsticky005

April 02, 2012, 11:52 AM

xi0

April 02, 2012, 03:04 PM

the bad ass violence definitely got me interested in Vinland Saga but what kept me was the intricate plotwork.
And what's most impressive is it's able to do it such a short amount of time. A good reason why I like
Farmerland Saga so much is because I know the pay off is going to be huge. IMO Thorfinn has
become even MORE interesting than he was as someone who wanted to get revenge.
Whoever thinks it will be easy for Thorfinn to live as a pacifist has no idea.

He's going to have a make a choice when people come for Ketil's farm. He's already faced plenty of tough choices, especially recently. He's chosen to be passive, but I'm not sure if that's going to be possible much longer.

baboysai

April 02, 2012, 10:41 PM

what do you think will be the ultimate trigger for him to start fighting again?

xi0

April 02, 2012, 10:52 PM

Probably Ketil's farm being overrun per Canute's order. What it will be specifically I don't know. Obviously him being a slave now has had the recent events weigh on him personally. There will have to be a breaking point. I don't think he'll turn back to vengeance unless he finds out why Ketil's farm was overrun.

thornofcarrion

April 03, 2012, 12:00 AM

xi0

April 03, 2012, 12:46 AM

A death could trigger or rather forced him to fight. Death of his partner slave (sorry I forgot the name. Happens to me in most of the monthly scheduled series). What bothers me, what will happen after that? He used to have an objective in life, even if it was "the revenge". I have said it before, his role has to grow or become grander.

Einar dying? I suppose so. Einar has gotten a lot more rash recently, which puts Thorfinn in a different role than in his previous life.

Do remember that Leif Ericson is sailing to find Thorfinn right? That might play a role, who gets there first?

baboysai

April 03, 2012, 12:55 AM

Canute, is who I'm guessing. When Lief and Ketil arrive, their farm is already a wasteland...

xi0

April 03, 2012, 12:57 AM

Canute, is who I'm guessing. When Lief and Ketil arrive, their farm is already a wasteland...

Well, if Lief and Ketil come first, would Thorfinn leave if Einar couldn't anyways? I think it would be equally dramatic if Thorfinn somehow left with Lief and then somehow Thorfinn learns of the farm's destruction later, only fueling his cause.

thornofcarrion

April 03, 2012, 01:07 AM

Canute vs. Throfinn - do you see story progressing towards this front? Perhaps not physically but as characters.

xi0

April 03, 2012, 01:11 AM

Canute vs. Throfinn - do you see story progressing towards this front? Perhaps not physically but as characters.

It's hard to see any other conflict in the series taking precedent. Thorfinn supposedly let go of vengeance, even though Canute is the one who robbed him of having it. Maybe his vengeance will be rekindled by Canute's actions once again?

mrsticky005

April 19, 2012, 05:48 PM

what do you think will be the ultimate trigger for him to start fighting again?

Native Americans.

No seriously.

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Canute vs. Throfinn - do you see story progressing towards this front? Perhaps not physically but as characters.

Nope. They won't meet. Again.

I hope.

Canute is King. Emperor really. Thorfinn is a peasant. A slave. A nobody.

I actually rather like the idea of the disconnect but yet they affect each other's world by their actions.

They should only communicate via underlings.

baboysai

April 19, 2012, 11:15 PM

that's an interesting take on it, mrsticky. That they will never meet again, and that there will be only a disconnect. That could be one way of writing the story. Let's see how the mangaka will play it out.

Similar to Luffy and his dad who never met (at this time) but their names are ringing across the seas, carving their own legends. heh.

xi0

April 20, 2012, 02:36 AM

mrsticky005

April 27, 2012, 07:42 PM

He's thinking of the plot progressing as history did and what was written in the actual Vinland Saga. If there isn't a big divergence in the story from the history, then he's probably right. Who knows though.

Yep. I'm hoping it DOES follow history (as much as it still can) because from the little I know it seems like a pretty interesting story. I mean some artistic license is fine but I just hope
nothing stupid happens like Thorfinn killing Canute. And Thorfinn BETTER sail to the Vinland!

I mean it's called VINLAND saga for goodness sake! :verily

And it's not like there aren't hints throughout the story that this will happen.

The big question for me...

Will Einar go to the Vinland? I hope he does! Best character in the series! :)

xi0

April 27, 2012, 10:19 PM

mrsticky005

April 28, 2012, 03:55 AM

Einar is a good character, I wouldn't tag him with "best". He's certainly a departure from the bad-ass warriors we were used to.

I don't have any doubt VINLAND will come to Vinland Saga, but I'm most interested in how that will come about. If Thorfinn and Canute's stories remain completely separate, it will be interesting to see how they intertwine.

True, Einar isn't a bad-ass warrior like Thors the Troll, Thorkell the Tall, Askleladd, Bjorn, or even Thorfinn.
But he's got spirit! He's one of the most heroic characters since Thors the Troll and I think Einar is even more interesting.

Einar respects the wheat. That is why he is the best.

It should be interesting to see what comes of the impeding attack on Ketil's farm.

and one thing I'm especially interested in is...

When and How will Thorfinn meet Gudrid

for the sake of not spoiling I won't say who she is. But she will be a rather important character to the story...If it follows history.

xi0

April 28, 2012, 04:06 AM

Thorfinn meets Gudrid? I thought she was an acquaintance of Lief? Or related to him through marriage?

mrsticky005

April 28, 2012, 01:11 PM

Thorfinn meets Gudrid? I thought she was an acquaintance of Lief? Or related to him through marriage?

Yes.

She is.

Leif is her brother-in-the-law. Or at least was.

By the time she meets Thorfinn she has been widowed twice.

She should be a rather interesting character.

xi0

April 29, 2012, 08:57 AM

Ah, I wasn't aware she had that much story in the Vinland Sagas.

Should be interesting considering where she is in the world.

mrsticky005

April 29, 2012, 09:18 PM

Ah, I wasn't aware she had that much story in the Vinland Sagas.

Should be interesting considering where she is in the world.

I haven't actually red the Vinland Sagas but she seems to be an important historical figure.

Though we probably won't see her for some time.

You Say

October 13, 2012, 02:47 PM

And of course this magnificent news have to appear here! Because we are the ones who're going to buy this! Let's go rape and plunder somewhere! Open the barrels with mead, sharpen your swords, daggers and axes, men! Take your bows and arrows, brethren! Because just now the long one-year-wait for the first volume begins! We have to lead battle with our patience, some may fall but we'll meet behind the gates of Valhalla!

Kodansha USA licensed Vinland Saga.
Sources: Kodansha (http://kodanshacomics.com/kodansha-comics-announces-new-titles-at-new-york-comic-con/) and ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-13/kodansha-usa-adds-vinland-saga-sankarea-no-6-tokyo-mew-mew-a-la-mode)

baboysai

October 13, 2012, 04:33 PM

Ah I hope it appears in my favorite bookstore where I have a discount card :nuts

mrsticky005

October 13, 2012, 09:12 PM

Ah I hope it appears in my favorite bookstore where I have a discount card :nuts

To be honest I don't mind paying full price for this one. There aren't many volumes and the series is monthly.

I imagine the releases will be something like

Volume 1--October 2013
Volume 2--January 2014
Volume 3--April 2014
Volume 4--July 2014
Volume 5--October 2014

and then it repeats.

I'm guessing it will be about $12.99.

baboysai

October 14, 2012, 01:18 AM

I wouldn't mind either. Just so happens that where I have a discount card, it's one of the only bookstores that sell good manga, or that if they don't have it they can order it for you at no extra price. :nuts

vampire killer

November 24, 2012, 06:02 AM

totally buying it! Now i hope that the they will make anime soon! It`s one of the best manga out there.

xi0

November 24, 2012, 06:30 AM

totally buying it! Now i hope that the they will make anime soon! It`s one of the best manga out there.

Considering the treatment Planetes got, I wouldn't be surprised if Yukimura had an agreement to wait until the series was near completion. Planetes ended in October 2003 and the anime started that next January.

Plus, with monthly series you need a lot more time to build-up material as well. It would be best to wait longer or until the end to start one.

vampire killer

November 24, 2012, 11:22 AM

well they could make anime out off the first part. And I think that the second part will end soon.

baboysai

November 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

yeah I think a good 25 eps ought to do it :3

xi0

November 24, 2012, 11:35 AM

well they could make anime out off the first part. And I think that the second part will end soon.

True, but then how much longer will it last? They haven't even gone west yet ...

baboysai

November 24, 2012, 11:38 AM

Maybe VS is not that popular? Dunno the stats, maybe someone can enlighten me?

xi0

November 24, 2012, 11:50 AM

Maybe VS is not that popular? Dunno the stats, maybe someone can enlighten me?

It's a hit, generally selling 100k a volume in the opening week. Anime with less sales have been made, so it isn't that.

If it isn't Yukimura having control over this, then maybe it's a question of subject matter. It's not as if you see a ton of hit anime about European history...

Drmke

February 13, 2013, 04:41 PM

Kodansha has posted some updates on their website about Vinland Saga's upcoming Enlgish debut:

"This release is going to mark many firsts for us, and as promised it’s going to be packed to the brim with extras. Let me get straight to the details!

Two volumes in one. 460+ pages including extras.
The first Kodansha Comics hardcover release.
Larger trim size of about 8 inches by 5.5 inches (for you to better appreciate this stunning artwork).
Exclusive Q&A with Yukimura created specifically for the U.S. edition.
Viking cosplay photos from the artist! (Yes, you read that right!)
And most exciting, we’ll be serializing the unreleased Yukimura story “For Our Farewell Is Near” (“Sayonara ga chikai no de”) in our editions of Vinland Saga!"

http://kodanshacomics.com/

:wtf I hope these are going to be as amazing as they sound!!!!!!

baboysai

February 13, 2013, 09:42 PM

aw man!!! I'm so gonna order that! um... but maybe not the hard cover ones... they would take up too much space :p

jakensama

February 18, 2013, 03:52 PM

What a way to start Vinland Saga's US run. I'll certainly be purchasing.

thornofcarrion

April 07, 2013, 02:15 PM

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baboysai

April 18, 2013, 05:00 AM

I just watched the first episode of this new series by History Channel: Vikings. And struck a chord with how similar it was to Vinland Saga...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn8lrGYsbVc

jakensama

April 18, 2013, 02:28 PM

Wow that series does seem like Vinland Saga, the facial hair and battle, plunder and finding new lands. How was the first episode?

baboysai

April 18, 2013, 02:35 PM

awesome! 7 episodes released so far. I read some comments that it's not too accurate in history but I'm okay with artistic license or something. try watching it, i always compare it to how vikings are portrayed in this manga and in the show.

MiyamotoMusashi

April 18, 2013, 02:38 PM

Wow that series does seem like Vinland Saga, the facial hair and battle, plunder and finding new lands. How was the first episode?

The entire series is surprisingly, qualitative high. This is the first drama series of "History Channel" which becomes obvious a few times, it also does not have a high budget like cable networks but the script and the story, namely a fictional account of the legend of Ragnar, is surprisingly well done + the acting is top notch, even though most of the actors are rather unknown. I highly recommend the series. It is nothing fancy but depicts the first voyage to England in a believable way, especially in the historical context, without being too much like a documentary.
It is no surprise that HC has ordered a second season for the series.

awesome! 7 episodes released so far. I read some comments that it's not too accurate in history but I'm okay with artistic license or something. try watching it, i always compare it to how vikings are portrayed in this manga and in the show.

Yep, some things are historically not accurate, for example that the vikings did not know about England, or the execution in the first episode but these are choices to dramatize the legend even more.