313 Discussion [Naruto]

[mageofdeath]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the sand stop akatsuki from taking her, although I do wonder if she manages to be saved where she would go?

[body flicker]

i think that the 2 tails will get away somehow

i have been stuck since i read chapter 312 i mean because of all the new things happening

me personaly would just like to see what jutsu kakashi has for naruto and how it would make him surpass kakashi

thats going to be interesting to see

[Rampages]

Has anybody considered that Kakashi will have Tsunade take his Sharingan and put it in Naruto? (Assuming that the eye doesn't carry the jutsu... Kakashi will retain all the things he knows, and since Naruto has near limitless chakra, he will be able to use the eye at full capacity...

Plus, Naruto is just like Obito... coincidence? or Providence?

If the eye holds all the moves captured, then Naruto will just inherit all the moves, and become super skilled... then he'll truly be a match for Sasuke.

This is all very interesting, but i think that it won't happen for 2 reasons:
1)Hard work vs. genius theme would be violated.
2)Naruto would be unstoppable.


Yeah I posted that theory in the toshokan but I too think that it won't happen because
Kakashi would kinda lose all his coolness and Kakashi vs. Tobi will never take place.





I'd like to see more akatsuki jutsus XD

They both use water techniques right ? Rain and Falls village...

[zerocharisma]

wow... kishi said that?.. kakashi n the nibi gurl huh?!... that'd be interesting. wish u can point us out which interview



Cant find the interview now *grrr* Ok, consider my last post a complete fabrication until I can locate it again.

z.

[Brede]

oh great. now i'm stuck with the mental image of Tsunade ripping out Kakashi's eye! :blink Pray tell what would they do with Naruto's original eye in the interim period? And somehow I don't see Kakashi walking around 1 eye blind. I seriously hope Kishi-san won't go down this path...it would be more gross than cool :darn

[Rampages]

Ok, consider my last post a complete fabrication until I can locate it again.


Thought so :p

Must be from some rumors ?[br]Posted on: June 28, 2006, 11:58:13 PM_________________________________________________

oh great. now i'm stuck with the mental image of Tsunade ripping out Kakashi's eye! :blink Pray tell what would they do with Naruto's original eye in the interim period? And somehow I don't see Kakashi walking around 1 eye blind. I seriously hope Kishi-san won't go down this path...it would be more gross than cool :darn


Kakashi with one blue eye ?

[saskaknarsak]

don't forget that naruto is a very hard worker and can achieve things in a very short time i.e. Rasengan, so he doesn't really need to train in something that extends time.

[Darrenj]

Huh, i think "feelings" and "marriage" are two very different things.. Because of her "feelings" for Naruto, she has become are more hardworking ninja. This is something her father can be nothing but pleased with...
But you have to understand, if the head of the Hyuuga were to marry, and procreate with someone outside of the Hyuuga family, then the Noble bloodline, become very much less so...

Anyways, it might be NEJI that has to marry Hinata in the end.. *shrugs*
Or Hinata just passes her birthright to her more able younger sister...


I doubt they will do it islamic style
hinata has to marry neji, that night she has to have sex with him
she then the next day says she loves him, when she may or may not (esp since she loves another)

[TheGreenFlash]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the sand stop akatsuki from taking her, although I do wonder if she manages to be saved where she would go?


To kakashi's house duh! ;)

Some predictions i have:

1.Naruto is already stronger then Kakashi. But only when reliening on kyuubi's power.I think this for two reasons.The first being that sharingan cant read narutos movements when in kyuubi mode.(at least sasuke's couldnt during naruto/sasuke fight) Also Naruto fought on a even level with Orochimaru and Kakashi seemed afraid of Orochimaru. (during chuunin exam arc.)

2.Orochimaru is stronger then Itachi. I think that Orochimaru only said Itachi was stronger then him to lead sasuke to beleive that he wants to take over sasukes body to defeat Itachi. when really all Orochimaru wants is to take over sasukes body for sharingan. (Orochimaru wants to master all the jutsu's in the world. Sharingan is a fast way to learn a bunch of jutsus) Possibly the person that Orochimaru wants to take over has to be willing for him to use his jutsu.

I also think Orochimaru is stronger then Itachi cause in strength Orochimaru is equals with Jiraiya and Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi so Orochimaru is also stronger then Itachi


These predictions may be kind of dumb, but if you think they are prove me wrong :p

[rocker2]

Huh, i think "feelings" and "marriage" are two very different things.. Because of her "feelings" for Naruto, she has become are more hardworking ninja. This is something her father can be nothing but pleased with...
But you have to understand, if the head of the Hyuuga were to marry, and procreate with someone outside of the Hyuuga family, then the Noble bloodline, become very much less so...

Anyways, it might be NEJI that has to marry Hinata in the end.. *shrugs*
Or Hinata just passes her birthright to her more able younger sister...


Seems we got a debate goin' on :smile-big. Though the Hyuuga are a noble bloodline, that doesn't mean that Hinata is in an arranged marriage or will be. Hinata's weaker bloodline could be due to just that fact - her mom possibly wasn't a Hyuuga. We know Sasuke's mom was a homemaker, not a ninja and did not have the bloodline limit. The Uchiha were also one of the noble clans. Also, Hiashi would have never let his daughter leave his care if she was in an arranged marriage. Giving her up to Kurenai was the equivalent to putting her life in continuous jeopardy. Thus Naruto has just as good as a chance as any ninja in Konoha to marry Hinata, unless something is stated or shown in the manga to void the above. Actually, Hinata's infatuation with Naruto makes his chances a lot higher. Now if he would only reciprocate :p.

I've seen some misconceptions about the 4th's jutsus. They are secret level. They were never genetically-linked with himself. Thus anyone can learn them so long as he teaches them. Also, the death god jutsu was the one used to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto. This was stated by the 3rd and confirmed by comparing the required seals with those stated required by Jiraiya. No previous contract is required. Just the correct usage of seals, enough chakra and the sacrifice of the user. In my theory, Naruto is the primary user while the 4th, the secondary one. However, the death god only takes one user's life. Thus the 4th sacrifices his leaving Naruto to live on. The reason why the target usually gets eaten by the death god as well is due to the fact that the jutsu seals them within the jutsu user. However, when the spirits are extracted, they become of the same medium and should mix being of the same medium. Thus they are both digested and fighting each other for all eternity.

Why didn't the 4th just seal the Kyuubi within himself then? The Kyuubi was essentially extremely large amounts of concentrated chakra with a consciousness. Does that mean that there is a spirit within that mass of chakra? Don't know. However, the implication here is the Kyuubi doesn't have a spiritual body and thus cannot be devoured by the death god, as he can only devour spiritual bodies. The second implication would be that the death god can draw and seal large bodies of chakra within the body of another, even if the body of chakra has no true spirit. The other theory would be that the Kyuubi is immortal and thus cannot be touched by the death god. Thus the 4th does the next best thing. Either way, Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakra are mixing and becoming one. Since the Kyuubi is the chakra, it means the Kyuubi is basically being absorbed by Naruto and becoming one with him, regardless of whether Naruto or the Kyuubi like it or not.

For Highlander fans, I'll quote here: "in the end, there can only be one." Well, this is if they both aren't killed first (won't happen until the end of the manga, and maybe not even then) or if the Kyuubi isn't extracted first (won't happen, cause that would kill Naruto). Thus, either Naruto or the Kyuubi survive in the end. Both may have traits that are expressed in final form, but only one of their consciousnesses will be dominant in the end. Here again, we can foreshadow that the dominant one will be Naruto cause having the Kyuubi become dominant would be essentially killing Naruto, which won't happen, at least until the end of the manga :p.

[Blazin_Cha0s]

Keep them comming but maybe,....summerize a lil bit? soooo long :darn

I hope this new ultimate technique isnt overused like kagebunshin and resengan



You know in the manga Rasengan isn't really overused.... the anime makes it seem that way because of the fillers. Kagebunshin I can forgive because it was the first and only ninjitsu Naruto knew.

[harlito]

Agreed. It's not really a cheap move.. and it's not something I think he could just go and go and go like that with. In the fillers, ya know? How he's like.. powering a boat with it or something.

Man.. those episodes.. just.. gah.


Which.. is why.. we sit here like this.. and geek out until the next chapter is out. haha

[sushi-girl-27]

All hail Kishimoto-sama for easing our pain a little every week... >.<

[rocker2]

Agreed. It's not really a cheap move.. and it's not something I think he could just go and go and go like that with. In the fillers, ya know? How he's like.. powering a boat with it or something.

Man.. those episodes.. just.. gah.


Which.. is why.. we sit here like this.. and geek out until the next chapter is out. haha


Rasengan has many usages. This comes naturally from the fact that it incorporates more than one type of chakra control (both tree and water walking). This is quite unlike Chidori for example, which is basically focusing all one's chakra to their arm to the point that the energy basically creates an elliptical shield around the arm which can be used to cut through anything. The high speed movement basically converts this cutting move to a slicing thrust with more power as mass*acceleration = force. Chidori essentially only utilizes one type of chakra control, making it much less useful for other tasks.

[TheGreenFlash]

You know in the manga Rasengan isn't really overused.... the anime makes it seem that way because of the fillers. Kagebunshin I can forgive because it was the first and only ninjitsu Naruto knew.


Haha you should have read all the posts. I was the first one who said that it was basically only overused in the fillers.



Hey,Hey,Hey Kagebunshin is a cool technique its just been way too over used. (Kind of like resengan has been over used in the fillers. I'm not sure which episode but in one of the episodes naruto almoust used a resengan to get out of a cave or tunnel or somthing like that :mad)

Also MS training wont kill Naruto (He was in itachi's MS before and didnt die. Although he did have to be snapped out of it.).

Funny Idea
Kakashi was reading his perverted book when he was laying in bed and came up with the idea. So maybe he was thinking about using the MS sharingan to be in a world with a bunch of really hot girls ;). While he was thinking about how to train Naruto he realized he could train him in MS sharingan. This is how kakashi came up with the idea for training Naruto.

Next chapter = Akatsuki Fight.Girl tries to escape.Naruto starts his training.Sai has 3 way with ino and sakura =x

[j0ny]

To kakashi's house duh! ;)

Some predictions i have:

1.Naruto is already stronger then Kakashi. But only when reliening on kyuubi's power.I think this for two reasons.The first being that sharingan cant read narutos movements when in kyuubi mode.(at least sasuke's couldnt during naruto/sasuke fight) Also Naruto fought on a even level with Orochimaru and Kakashi seemed afraid of Orochimaru. (during chuunin exam arc.)

2.Orochimaru is stronger then Itachi. I think that Orochimaru only said Itachi was stronger then him to lead sasuke to beleive that he wants to take over sasukes body to defeat Itachi. when really all Orochimaru wants is to take over sasukes body for sharingan. (Orochimaru wants to master all the jutsu's in the world. Sharingan is a fast way to learn a bunch of jutsus) Possibly the person that Orochimaru wants to take over has to be willing for him to use his jutsu.

I also think Orochimaru is stronger then Itachi cause in strength Orochimaru is equals with Jiraiya and Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi so Orochimaru is also stronger then Itachi


These predictions may be kind of dumb, but if you think they are prove me wrong :p


Ok it made sense to me until you said that Oro is stronger than Itachi. Oro is NOT, as was stated by himself as well as many people here. If he was stronger, he would have taken Itachi's body for the sharingan. We have never seen a real Naruto vs Kakashi fight so we can't really say. Kakashis dad was sanin level, so there is a HUGE possibility that Kakashi will get there if not already.

Naruto only wailed on Oro because Oro's body sucked... well you know what I mean.

[Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki]

I'd like to see more akatsuki jutsus XD

They both use water techniques right ? Rain and Falls village...


Actually they don't.

We don't know what type of jutsu waterfall uses, but rain so far hasn't used a single water based technique. The three rain ninja who appeared during the exam all used weapons (the spike umbrellas). This is because the concept of the village's theme isn't necessarily a direct representation of what techniques the people in the village will use. I'm expecting Hidan to maybe use some kind of rain techniques but nothing with water.

Likewise Kakuzu will not use suiton techniques either...

[harlito]

That's what I am hoping for in this next chapter. A half and half... ya know? Half the chapter being the Kakuzu/Hidan vs. Nibi Jinchuuriki fight, the other half being the Naruto/Kakashi training.

That would make it a 10/10 chapter for me.

[Bankai]

[quote=the concept of the village's theme isn't necessarily a direct representation of what techniques the people in the village will use.

Likewise Kakuzu will not use suiton techniques either...
[/quote]
I agree with u. You know that the only one who used tree tecniques in LEAF Konoha was the first so it is true{and Kurenai made a tree genjutsu fighting Itachi} that the sign on the forehead protectors is not everytime related to the techniques someone useses

[CheckMate]

again, an outstanding analysis..



Why didn't the 4th just seal the Kyuubi within himself then? The Kyuubi was essentially extremely large amounts of concentrated chakra with a consciousness. Does that mean that there is a spirit within that mass of chakra? Don't know. However, the implication here is the Kyuubi doesn't have a spiritual body and thus cannot be devoured by the death god, as he can only devour spiritual bodies. The second implication would be that the death god can draw and seal large bodies of chakra within the body of another, even if the body of chakra has no true spirit. The other theory would be that the Kyuubi is immortal and thus cannot be touched by the death god. Thus the 4th does the next best thing. Either way, Naruto and the Kyuubi's chakra are mixing and becoming one. Since the Kyuubi is the chakra, it means the Kyuubi is basically being absorbed by Naruto and becoming one with him, regardless of whether Naruto or the Kyuubi like it or not.



however, couldn't say that seal the beast inside naruto is the next best thing, as he (4th) didnt know and maybe never know, what will happen if naruto died that time. I mean.. seal a beast into a new born baby? sound a bit too unacceptable to me
did the 4th even think about the consequences?
what happen if this boy isn't strong enough to carry the kyuubi?

even if he's strong enough, is there any guarantee that this boy can control the power instead be controlled? - this is naruto's current state.
the 4th better had done some necessary research before decided to use the shiki fuuiN.
well, the result itself is not bad though, the proof is that Naruto is still in control..

now i can forgive him (4th) :D

[kubik]

Sorry for the offtopic ^^;;


Huh, i think "feelings" and "marriage" are two very different things.. Because of her "feelings" for Naruto, she has become are more hardworking ninja. This is something her father can be nothing but pleased with...
They are not two very different things :]
But look, after 2.5 years of improvement [I believe that she was acknowledged by her familly when she achived the chuunin tittle.] she still likes the boy... so If she improved so much that her father acknowledged her and still didn't do anything to prevent her from having this feelings... Well, IMO he accepted them. Why? Cos Naruto is Yondaime's son =D and Naruto will become Hokage.


But you have to understand, if the head of the Hyuuga were to marry, and procreate with someone outside of the Hyuuga family, then the Noble bloodline, become very much less so...
Hinata won't become the head of the Hyuuga. At least not in manga. *shakefist*

Anyways, it might be NEJI that has to marry Hinata in the end.. *shrugs*

"Neji has to(...)" rmmm nope. The second Hiashi will tell him that, we will see Naruto coming to the rescue =P

Or Hinata just passes her birthright to her more able younger sister...
:nod

[Silver_Archer]

I have been wondering, how did the 4th conviniently find a little baby on the battle field while fighting kyubi?

[harlito]

Ah.. you have embarked, Silver_Archer- on one of the long standing great Naruto mysteries.

We'll never know until Kishimoto wants us to know. heh

[Zap]

i think in some chapters kakashi will tell naruto the thruth ? i believe that because i think they he will teach naruto first the hiraishin and tell him all about it bla bla bla... and with that techique he will create his ultimate technique

by the way where is the new chapter is latE!

[harlito]

okay wait wait.. So.. you're suggesting that Kakashi is going to teach/tell Naruto about harashin?

That would be ultimately cool.

I still don't know about Yondi having a son and it being Naruto.. just seems like someone would have said something.. I mean, lookit how they addressed Konohamaru for being the third's grandson.


But if Kakashi is going to train Naruto on some of the techniques o
f the 4th (since he was his student) I would be ecstatic.

[siegfried]

I have been wondering, how did the 4th conviniently find a little baby on the battle field while fighting kyubi?


umm actually he had a lot of time to find a baby.Since he is the yellow flash he should be the first one to confront kyuubi but he didnt.he took his time for doing sth we dont know.a lot of people were killed just for he didnt show up earlier.

[Zap]

maybe yondaime had a request to sandaime to never let naruto learn that he is hes father why first see konohamaru every adress him by the grandfather think and not really for what konohamaru realy is... i think yondaime think of it and wanted to see naruto for what he is not the son of yondaime ;)

and now that naruto is really a excelent ninja is time to learn? right?

and where is the fu**45*2ing chapter? Late...

[Bankai]

yes i wanna my chapter muhuhuhu

[harlito]

Right, but unless Yondaime KNEW he was going to be sealing Kyuubi within Naruto- the whole village would have been in celebration for Yondaime's wife's pregnancy, right?

I mean, he was super popular, good looking and the freakin' hokage. Try keeping something like that secret...unless you already had plans for that child.


Anyhow, we'll have to wait and see if Kakashi actually has information on it and if he is sharing it with Naruto during his training.

[cerventus]

I still insist Naruto has healing factor. Maybe Adamation bones.

hahaha.

Real perdiction. We will see Nekomata exchanging few blows with one of the Akastuki member while the other one just stand there and watch. the other scene will be Kakashi and Asuma talking bout Naruto and Shika being nominated to become Anbu member.

BTW Naruto's new jutsu might not be the Flickr Flash thingy. Oh yeah Hrashin. I still think he might just discover how to do that by himself. There should be no reason why only Yondiame is the only one capable of doing it.

[saskaknarsak]

naruto is definetly the son of yondaime. in the beginning where konoha were defending against the kyubbi they were waiting for yondaime. And what was he doing before he attacked the kyubbi- he made preparations with naruto so that that the kyubbi would live inside of naruto?

[Zap]

no asuma wont tell kakashi about the anbu it will tell him about the akatsuki that they have making serius moves :P im 99% sure of that
i think if they became anbu they will tell them direct to them and in secret but i dont think that it fits naruto to became an anbu
i dont think kishi do something like that :)

[cerventus]

Maybe he was hunting in the whole village for a cointainer for the kyubi?

[harlito]

That.. I don't know.. not at all.

"Scuze me ma'am.. I need your child... oh.. no don't worry he'll be fine. He's just going to be hated his whole life, be abandoned by you, his family; and then spend the rest of his life being hunted while looking for acceptance!"

[destinator]

There's been a spoiler posted on the NF forums. I'll make a summary of the translation. It is not likely to be true considering a few strange things have been spotted. But anyway:

Hidan is in some kind of religious cult worshipping an evil god. He says to the girl (who has presented herself now as Yugito) that one of the rules of his religion is to always kill his opponent. He then proposes that they should settle this peacefully (xD). She gets pissed and transforms on a 2 page spread.

*intermission*
Kurenai arrives at the hospital to pick up Asuma and then they leave.
*end intermission*

It returns to the fight. Both Hidan and Yugito are wounded. Kakuzu complains about how long Hidan has taken but Hidan says he has to follow the ceremony and doing it half-heartedly is blasphemy.
Then it seems the fight ends and Hidan mentions needing to go to the fire country.

EVIDENCE AGAINST THIS BEING TRUE
1: Hidan mentions having to kill his opponent. If you kill your opponent you kinda phail if you want to get the bijuu inside them X_x
2: Hidan never ONCE uses "honto" ("seriously!") which he used two or three times in the last chapter alone. Honto is to Hidan what "un!" is to Deidara >_>;


uhm that got already posted in the spoiler thread ^^

[harlito]

I think we were already beating that one down as false on the nf forums..

hehe but you make a good point of the failures in that spoiler.

*nod* thanks dude!

[Kusachu]

forgive the off topicness, but...

@DMS YAY FOR HYUUGACEST! XDDDDD

Really, i would be so happy if Neji got with Hinata. Even thought they are genetically half brother and sister (though actually cousins), it is not uncommon for such marriages to to occur in old, aristocratic families. People can hate on Hyuugacest all they want but it is perfectly valid in this case, since it is the clan's goal to keep the main family's bloodline pure. It's called blue-blooding. Though, I think it would be impossible for Neji to head the clan with his seal still active. XP But i am sure he would probably be appointed as Hinata's chief retainer should she actually become clan head as tradition dictates.

As far as next chapter is concerned...meh...i give up on predictions for the time being. I jsut want Naruto to make Kyuubi his own body so they can be separate entities sometimes. That would be fun. XD

[Ruth]

Seems we got a debate goin' on :smile-big. Though the Hyuuga are a noble bloodline, that doesn't mean that Hinata is in an arranged marriage or will be. Hinata's weaker bloodline could be due to just that fact - her mom possibly wasn't a Hyuuga. We know Sasuke's mom was a homemaker, not a ninja and did not have the bloodline limit. The Uchiha were also one of the noble clans. Also, Hiashi would have never let his daughter leave his care if she was in an arranged marriage. Giving her up to Kurenai was the equivalent to putting her life in continuous jeopardy. Thus Naruto has just as good as a chance as any ninja in Konoha to marry Hinata, unless something is stated or shown in the manga to void the above. Actually, Hinata's infatuation with Naruto makes his chances a lot higher. Now if he would only reciprocate :p.

dont forget the chuunin exam. the promise(?) naruto made. "if u cant do anything, then dont. when i become hokage, ill change hyuga for u". hyuga hiashi also said "i knew it, u should have been the head family". well, if i recall correctly ... (not miss quoting anime with manga that is) :noworry

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there will come a time when the hyuga family becomes one again alike to uchiha. by that time who knows. i like the prospect of naruto-hinata every since her first appearence on the manga/anime. :amuse
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this is just for the fun of it. :amuse



even if he's strong enough, is there any guarantee that this boy can control the power instead be controlled? - this is naruto's current state.
the 4th better had done some necessary research before decided to use the shiki fuuiN.
well, the result itself is not bad though, the proof is that Naruto is still in control..

now i can forgive him (4th) :D

dude, seriously. rasengan is proof enuf that he had done the "necessary research". plus he was called the genius shinobi. its not as if he made the jutsu and used it right away on kyubi. if he did, sandaime wouldnt know the jutsu. while teaching he mustve come up with some other method of sealing using the same jutsu as rocker2 prediction. :amuse

[kubik]

Really, i would be so happy if Neji got with Hinata.
To bad that neither Neji nor Hinata would be =D

People can hate on Hyuugacest all they want but it is perfectly valid in this case,
People hate Hyuugacest cos they pity Hinata and Neji.
As a matter of FACT, Inuzukacest is valid too cos, NejiHina are half-siblings and who said that KibaHana aren't half-siblings too?
So if you support Hyuugacest you should support Inuzukacest too =P

since it is the clan's goal to keep the main family's bloodline pure.
speculation :grin

[cerventus]

That.. I don't know.. not at all.

"Scuze me ma'am.. I need your child... oh.. no don't worry he'll be fine. He's just going to be hated his whole life, be abandoned by you, his family; and then spend the rest of his life being hunted while looking for acceptance!"




This would be funny... in some ways it reminds me on how naruto would behave. But then again yondi wanted naruto to be a hero.
Also you should add, the kid will have unlimited supply of chakra too.

[kunai-knight]

Taking into consideration what was shown when Old Man Hokage tried to seal Oro's soul, i think its just as likely that the Fourth really did try to seal the kyuubi into himself. However when he realized that he couldnt because the chakra of the kyuubi was too large (he didnt have enough power/strength to pull it all in) He asked the third to bring (his son?) Naruto and prepare the the candle thingie and instead seal it away into naruto. That just seems most likely....

[harlito]

This would be funny... in some ways it reminds me on how naruto would behave. But then again yondi wanted naruto to be a hero.
Also you should add, the kid will have unlimited supply of chakra too.


*cough* yeah, I guess I forgot that part..

Unlimited supply of chakra, still hated and wanted dead.. but don't worry.. a couple people won't mind his existence..

[laughing@you]

Taking into consideration what was shown when Old Man Hokage tried to seal Oro's soul, i think its just as likely that the Fourth really did try to seal the kyuubi into himself. However when he realized that he couldnt because the chakra of the kyuubi was too large (he didnt have enough power/strength to pull it all in) He asked the third to bring (his son?) Naruto and prepare the the candle thingie and instead seal it away into naruto. That just seems most likely....


All the real answers can be found with Gamabunta.

Naruto should summon Gamabunta and have a little one on one, on what really happened when the 4th died.

[siegfried]

All the real answers can be found with Gamabunta.

Naruto should summon Gamabunta and have a little one on one, on what really happened when the 4th died.


or he should ask it to kyuubi.

[laughing@you]

or he should ask it to kyuubi.


Yeah, But who would he trust?

*Seats and wait and waits....and waits for the RAW.*

[harlito]

I don't think he could trust Kyuubi. What interest would Kyuubi have in telling Naruto anything? If nothing else, I expect he'd lie. Anything to get the seal removed.
Shukaku was ready to go NUTS when he was let to control, so Kyuubi running the show scares me.

Gamabunta, I feel would tell the whole truth.

Kakashi (as much as I love Kakashi) I feel, may omit parts of the truth.

[Bankai]

Naruto should learn Edo Tensei and summon Yondaime :p

[Vegitto]

uhm that got already posted in the spoiler thread ^^


Link to thread?

[destinator]

Link to thread?


simplay look at the naruto spoiler section ?

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4903.0 :P

[Bankai]

Guys can anyone =predict= when will the ch. 313 come out<

[destinator]

My ISP is going through a rough patch atm. They've blocked or at least heavily throttled speeds on a lot of P2P programs, so that means winny/share are basically unusable. So I'll be relying on 2ch & japanese uploaders for most of the chapters this week, so yeh.. things might be a tad slow.

Thats from the touch...(He just posted it somewhere else)

[harlito]

Never!! It's never coming! In a cruel joke, Kishimoto is going to do another Timeskip!!

BWAAA HAHAHAH!!

*cough*

I predict in 1 hour.

[Raine_Joybringer]

Aww darn... I really do hope it comes out soon... I haven't been so eager for the next Naruto chapter since the KM4 chapters. (That and I'm getting sleepy... stupid Australian timezone)

[Vegitto]

Can't he just email it? I'll post it and try a scanlation, too :P.

The Touch, if you're reading this: vegitto@densa.demon.nl, I can take up to about 50 MB :).

[destinator]

Can't he just email it? I'll post it and try a scanlation, too :P.

The Touch, if you're reading this: vegitto@densa.demon.nl, I can take up to about 50 MB :).


I guess you didnt understand him...how should he send you the raw if he cant get it ???

[LordoftheAbyss]

Guys can anyone =predict= when will the ch. 313 come out<


never :/

I think... tomorrow :D

[Vegitto]

Oh, like that :P. k. Sorry.

[harlito]

He could also ask those who aren't having those sorts of issues to locate for him.

But like he'd give up his sources... HAHAH RIIIIIGHT.

Just kidding

[The Touch]

Yo!

NARUTO - 313 (http://home.exetel.com.au/battle_franky/index.html/Franky%20House/NARUTO%20-%20313.zip)

Enjoy!

[One Eyed Sharingan]

For the lord of gods yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh thx a bunch touch sama

[Sasuke sama]

Thanx the touch! Weird chapter.. didn't quite understand that ending..

[Raine_Joybringer]

Whoo! *downloads* Thanks, The Touch! *hugs*

[destinator]

yeahhhh thanks so much the touch =)

[dabura]

wwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooo, thank you!!!!!!!

[conan]

the touch is the man, he comes to save us hungry fans like he does every week.
way to go man, and thanks.

[Majek]

so she bites the dust eh? sad so sad. We really need more female charcters in naruto.

[destinator]

so she bites the dust eh? sad so sad. We really need more female charcters in naruto.


Couldnt believe it....they seem to be be uber strong!

[pocketmofo]

So yeah, that summary that Des posted earlier was, in fact, pretty much exactly what happened. Hidan is a member of a weird religion/cult that only believes in killing (not just beating someone half to death). She is the two-tailed jinchuuriki called "Ikiryou." Not a bad little chapter! Thanks The Touch!

[enzomars]

Haha most accurate Spoiler summary thi week :rofl really accurate ... gosh and some doubted

[Captain Tylor]

Thanks a bunch, though I'm mostly waiting for Tsubasa Reservior Chronicle 121...

[Raine_Joybringer]

All I can think right now is... What the hell just happened? o__o She's not really dead is she? *waits for the translation*

[laughing@you]

Where's Nihongaeri?

I can't wait to his/her translation!

[tof]

OMG! the map at the end !?! does this mean they already got 6 jinchuuriki ?

[body flicker]

the two tails looks like a lion to me

also brutal death its a lady for gods sake

[destinator]

OMG! the map at the end !?! does this mean they already got 6 jinchuuriki ?


Yeah I was wondering too could be also 7+the one they got now=naruto the last wtf ?

[One Eyed Sharingan]

NOooooooooooooo, she shouldn't be dead, cuz akatzuki want to extract the bijuu..........
I really do want the female jinchuuriki to be alive and kicking!!!! :wtf *wails*

[Griffin]

Geeze I wasn't expecting that at all. How the heck did they get the Bijuu out of her I thought that they had to be kept alive till they could be removed. That kind of goes against whe entire theme of the akatsuki. Unless they immobilized her somehow.

[enzomars]

She can't be dead , they need her bijuu ( that's what they're lookin for right ? )
But on the other hand , if they're thinking of going to the fire country , will they carry her with them?

Hoooo got it: She's still alive and those 2 are taking her with them to Konoha , they think they can take care of Naruto's
case in the same time.
But there they'll lose and be forced to leave the girl in Konoha , she'll be healed by the great Tsunade and
life goes on haha.

[Raine_Joybringer]

OMG! the map at the end !?! does this mean they already got 6 jinchuuriki ?


I really hope not... I was hoping for Gobi too!

And it seems I over-reacted. She's not dead... I think at least... there's those tremble squiggles around her.

The Nibi did a flame attack? Interesting... Nekomata are known for unexplained fires. And Kakuzu stopping its paw! He must be pretty strong to stop something like that!

Gah, I can't tell or not, but is Hidan's skin all ripped off when he's on that pendant symbol thing he has and then it grows back?

[sh0jin]

it looks like the hidan is into this weird self-sacrifice thing, the pendents' symbol that he holds is similar to the one is appears to be die/resurrect in. That might be his type of jutsu, oohhh hence the reaper weapon. No wonder he told the enemy (the two tail) that he was to slowest or had the worst aim, because he was trying to get her to single him out so that he can perform he jutsu. Not sure about this but speculating until translation comes through.

[enzomars]

They just pwned the picture of the bijuu i had in mind , they're supposed to be great weapons but those guys are taking care of tem so easily. It's scarryyy!
I'm still shaking , what monstruous power and strength they got! booow

[harlita]

7 x's... that must mean that Nibi and Kyuubi were the last two.

OH NOZ!!! That must mean they are coming for Naruto next.

We're out of time! oi oi oi !!!

meh, I hope she isn't dead dead. Just ya know.. Gaara style dead.. waiting for someone to come over real quick and revive him.

WE NEED A RESURRECTION SPELL OVER HERE!!

[tof]

Yeah I was wondering too could be also 7+the one they got now=naruto the last wtf ?


correct! i didn't see the cross on the top right of the map :s

[enzomars]

it looks like the hidan is into this weird self-sacrifice thing, the pendents' symbol that he holds is similar to the one is appears to be die/resurrect in.

That whole thin it's just a ceremony , a ritual. The pendent is the symbol of the sect he belongs to.
Someone said that before. not 100% sure

[One Eyed Sharingan]

it looks like the hidan is into this weird self-sacrifice thing, the pendents' symbol that he holds is similar to the one is appears to be die/resurrect in. That might be his type of jutsu, oohhh hence the reaper weapon. No wonder he told the enemy (the two tail) that he was to slowest or had the worst aim, because he was trying to get her to single him out so that he can perform he jutsu. Not sure about this but speculating until translation comes through.


now that explains what hidan had said in the previous chap: "No need to tell *me* that, Kakuzu... I *want* her to kill me, just to get it over with, seriously"

btw, that female jinchuuriki is so pretty lady (well at least before she tap into her bijuu)

[The Boff]

i love double pages... double pages makes the world go round.

HOW BLOODY STRONG ARE THE AKATSUKI????? I MEAN COME ON!!!!!

[Raine_Joybringer]

now that explains what hidan had said in the previous chap: "No need to tell *me* that, Kakuzu... I *want* her to kill me, just to get it over with, seriously"


Ah, it finally makes sense... kind of...



btw, that female jinchuuriki is so pretty lady (well at least before she tap into her bijuu)


I have the sudden urge to want to cosplay her... I think I have a new project for next year.

[enzomars]

HOW BLOODY STRONG ARE THE AKATSUKI????? I MEAN COME ON!!!!!


Yep , Freakinn God like dudes hehe!


eH! I don't think there's any resurection here. Imo Handi's just performing a victory ritual.


I wonder when is Naruto going all 9 tails out like Nibi and Shukaku did ?

[One Eyed Sharingan]

Hey Hey page 05, what village does Hidan's band represent???

[Raine_Joybringer]

HOW BLOODY STRONG ARE THE AKATSUKI????? I MEAN COME ON!!!!!


I think Yugito was just careless diving in like that... :/

[The Boff]

Yep , Freakinn God like dudes hehe!


no kidding...
but i am a little sad... i was hoping we would get to se the fight. but that wasnt the case. but still omfg.



Hey Hey page 05, what village does Hidan's band represent???


grass

[enzomars]

Hey Hey page 05, what village does Hidan's band represent???


That definitively not the rain country. It's a new one and it's not on any map.

I want Naruto all 9 Tails out! even once pls that's a freakin awesome view

[One Eyed Sharingan]

no kidding...
but i am a little sad... i was hoping we would get to se the fight. but that wasnt the case. but still omfg.

grass

nope i dun think so, it's unknown village
http://www.leafninja.com/country.php

and yeah, Hidan and Kakuzu are headin to konoha.........please konoha ninja, i beg u save the lady :wtf

[enzomars]

and yeah, Hidan and Kakuzu are headin to konoha.........please konoha ninja, i beg u save the lady :wtf


Off course they will. hidan and Kakuzu are makin a big mystake heading there with that girl.
Tthey think they can do Itachi and Kisame's job better XD

[The Boff]

Hey Hey page 05, what village does Hidan's band represent???


hmmmm... ok i said grass but i'll retract that...

<img src="http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5720/thething8lh.jpg">

thats definitly a new village... cool :o

[Majek]

Off course they will. hidan and Kakuzu are makin a big mystake heading there with that girl.
Tthey think they can do Itachi and Kisame's job better XD

They're heading there with the girl? Huh really? Why would they do that? :O

[enzomars]

I think that Jinchuriki aren't that strong after all.
And i'm more and more convinced that they only need the bijuu's chakra
to unseal that huge giant beast we've seen in the gaara rescue arc.
So they're definitively not interested in being jinchuriki themselves



They're heading there with the girl? Huh really? Why would they do that? :O


that's all just speculation since i didn't read any full translation yet , but i think Kishi might be doing
that to make it easier for Konoha to save the girl.

[CheckMate]

and yeah, Hidan and Kakuzu are headin to konoha.........please konoha ninja, i beg u save the lady :wtf


how do u know?




Off course they will. hidan and Kakuzu are makin a big mystake heading there with that girl.
Tthey think they can do Itachi and Kisame's job better XD


do u think they want to take naruto for themselves?

i personally think the akatsuki (not only hidan + kakuzu) go to konoha (if it's true) because itachi and kisame will surely need assistance.
well there are 2 of the sannin there, and kakashi + gai + yamato..

that's hard job even for the great itachi..


and Hidan.. i think he needs to be feel pain before fight, and maybe.. he is a bit immortal :p

[Shambler]

Well I don't have a full understanding of the chapter 'cos there are no translations yet but my first impressions are.... this sucks! :( What, so all of the jinchuuriki except for Naruto have been captured? We're not going to see even one Kyuubi vs X-tailed demon fight? SUCKS! Arg. <goes to sulk>

It's a pity that the 2-tailed Jinchuuriki only lasted one chapter 'cos I was starting to like her. At first I didn't like her design much (I thought she had the same outfit as Sai lol) but I now I think she's quite cute. :D Also... how old do you reckon she is? I thought that she was the the same age as the Jounins but in a couple of the panels in this chapter she looks quite young, maybe only a few years older than Naruto.

[One Eyed Sharingan]

i guess naruto's training is still mystery, and it looks like Asuma had no time to discuss anything with Kakashi cuz Kurenai came to interrupt (grrrrrr, but ah well i get to see her in her usual clothes) , could it be something that Kurenai shouldn't hear??

......page 15.....u cruel bastards, to treat a lady like that :crying (the funny thing, first time i saw the pic i tought the lady was hung with her face against the wall, when i looked again its her back against the wall....).[br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 10:32:05 AM_________________________________________________

how do u know?


Cuz, in the last panel Kakuzu said "tsugi wa hi no kuni da" which mean " the next is fire country", where konoha village is...

[Hirnpilot]

Yeah I was wondering too could be also 7+the one they got now=naruto the last wtf ?

but you'r forgetting that gaara was captured in suna and that mark isn't on the map
that means the 7 marks includes the nibi already

[The Boff]

Cuz, in the last panel Kakuzu said "tsugi wa hi no kuni da" which mean " the next is fire country", where konoha village is...


oooooohhhh!!!! interesting! then its not a speculation... cool :o

[Raine_Joybringer]

I'm hoping here that the Xs actually meant IDENTIFIED Jinchuuriki and not CAPTURED Jinchuuriki... D:

[The Boff]

I'm hoping here that the Xs actually meant IDENTIFIED Jinchuuriki and not CAPTURED Jinchuuriki... D:


nah it couldnt be... then there should have been an X over fire country... but there wasnt

[siegfried]

but this doesnt mean they will go to fire village immeaditely.they have to extract 2 tailed first.

and naruto needs time to train. XD

[Raine_Joybringer]

nah it couldnt be... then there should have been an X over fire country... but there wasnt


Quit killing my optimism! :< You make Rainie sad otherwise...

They still said they needed to search, so it's possible that while they know who it is, they don't know where they are.

[One Bad Mo Fo]

I think Asuma's going to ask Kakashi to be his best man XD

[laughing@you]

What I find really annoying is wasting two mangas with something so trivial on this guy that swoops in clears the room to speak with kakashi then he gets interrupted and thats the end of it.

And nothing is said.

But I don't think that nibi is dead. yet!

But she did go down rather easy.

Probably when they go to the Fire country they find Jiraiya there and have to face him.

cool!!

[Darrenj]

but this doesnt mean they will go to fire village immeaditely.they have to extract 2 tailed first.

and naruto needs time to train. XD

but its been 30mins, wouldnt she of bleed to death O.o

[One Eyed Sharingan]

well if you look carefully, when the lady's hung, you can see sign of her hands trembling a bit, so my guess is she's alive......she better be!!!! (damn, am i a Yugito fanboy already??)

[siegfried]

jinchuurikis dont die easily.gaara didnt die until they extracted shuhaku and it was 3 days long.(when I think of it ,it is really long.how did akatsuki managed to keep him alive?)

[grandweasel]

hmmm, she was pretty useless... let me guess sasuke could destory her too...even though itachi would destroy him....who couldn't take out naruto yet....I dont get the power levels in this manga....hmmmm, I expected the bijuus to be much stronger than they are

[laughing@you]

As per NJT translation nibi is not dead.

At least

Which means there's a slight posibility that she can be rescued by our talented heroes.

But who would be abe to tackle does guys? Tsunade? Jiraiya? Probably Kakashi cuz of his Sharingan advantage.

[downfox]

Very interesting chapter in my opinion. Though I wish they would have shown how the woman was defeated. Interesting that their next target is in Fire Country.

[Majek]

It's just it WAS a 2 on 1 fight and Akatsuki members have already had their chakra suply increased by those bijuus they've alread extracted.
So she didn't really stand a chance.
And well she better be alive , i want some Naruto banter with her :DD at least one line XD

[laughing@you]

Akatsuki members have already had their chakra suply increased by those bijuus they've alread extracted.


Enhanced?...Their chakra is enhanced with the extraction of the bijuus?...How so?

[rocker2]

Not to kill any optimism, but the clues given pretty much point to nibi being the last Jinchurriki to be captured. As for nibi's state, she's alive, just not kicking. Otherwise, they can't get the bijuu. Hidan seems to have used some cult-like jutsu. Kakuzu acted to distract nibi while Hidan did his thing, or so it seems. Not to worry, Naruto still has time. No matter how strong these two Akatsuki are, they wouldn't steal Itachi's jinchurriki. Each of the Akatsuki are entitled to one, and one only.

Finally, people are getting the wrong impression of the strength of the jinchurriki. Strength and power without control and skill is worthless. All Nibi did was what Gaara did: she let her bijuu take over and attack. This means she had little to no control. We have already seen that the bijuu are worthless fighters. They attack randomly and without focus. Overwhelming power is definitely one way to fight and with the amount of power these bijuu have, they can take on many elite ninja at the same time. However, against ultra elite ninja (I would classify this being near, equal or above Sannin level), bijuu are childsplay.

A bijuu's moves are very fast, but can easily be read so these ninjas, being very fast themselves, just need to dodge. Since the bijuu tend to put a lot into each move, they leave themselves open in between. The ultra elite ninja just needs to attack during that opening and it is game over; well until next time. The problem with bijuu in the wild are that they are pretty much immortal (how do you kill something non-corporeal to begin with?). Also, they just keep on coming back for more after each defeat. Eventually even the most elite ninja will get tired. Thus wild bijuu are extremely dangerous.

The problem for the jinchurriki is that when they let their bijuu take control, they are still the vessel. While the bijuu may not have endurance limits, the vessel does. That's why the Akatsuki are having such an easy time. They just exploit those opening and attack the vessel. When the vessel goes down, so does the bijuu. We've seen this with Gaara, then with Naruto and now with nibi.

The question that arises now is while Naruto was in KB4, Oro couldn't take him down. To answer this, keep in mind that Naruto in KB4 never truely injured Oro at all. In KB4, the Kyuubi had Naruto so open that Oro had an easy time. The difference here was 1. while the Kyuubi was in control, Naruto's jinchurriki case is quite different. Naruto is merging with his bijuu, not just carrying and resonating with it. Thus in KB4, he actually took upon some of his bijuu's traits to the fullest extent. In normal state, this merging results in uncomparable healing. In KB4, Naruto became impenetrable. Otherwise, the Kusangi attack would have done him in for good. Also, this merging is part of the reason why Naruto is the only jinchurriki who holds potential to fully control his bijuu. Also, keep in mind Naruto is unique, even without the Kyuubi, in the fact that his stamina is unbelievably large. Thus, added quality of the vessel improved KB4's odds of outlasting Oro.

2. Rejection of the body to the foreign spirit started to occur to Oro during the fight. Thus he was weakened faster such that he did not have the endurance to continue. However, should this not have occurred, he probably could have stopped KB4. If Jiraiya could, even when he was not trying to kill Naruto, then Oro without his weakened health should also have been able to since he was just trying to kill Naruto.

[siegfried]

it is only a speculation and chakra doesnt mean power.Akatsukis already have enough chakra.too much is waste.

[johnjohn252]

Well I think that there are only 2 bijuu left, the 8 tail snake Yamato and the nine tailed fox Kyuubi. I think that Sasuke has Yamato in because of how Orichimaru stopped him from using his last jutsu which was probably anawkening. And everything would tie up after that becasue in the myth Yamato loses to Kyuubi. Meaning Sasuke will lose to Naruto. Thats just my guess though. :sasuke :narsengan <<< this 2 will go at it.

[laughing@you]

Not to kill any optimism, but the clues given pretty much point to nibi being the last Jinchurriki to be captured. As for nibi's state, she's alive, just not kicking. Otherwise, they can't get the bijuu. Hidan seems to have used some cult-like jutsu. Kakuzu acted to distract nibi while Hidan did his thing, or so it seems. Not to worry, Naruto still has time. No matter how strong these two Akatsuki are, they wouldn't steal Itachi's jinchurriki. Each of the Akatsuki are entitled to one, and one only.

Finally, people are getting the wrong impression of the strength of the jinchurriki. Strength and power without control and skill is worthless. All Nibi did was what Gaara did: she let her bijuu take over and attack. This means she had little to no control. We have already seen that the bijuu are worthless fighters. They attack randomly and without focus. Overwhelming power is definitely one way to fight and with the amount of power these bijuu have, they can take on many elite ninja at the same time. However, against ultra elite ninja (I would classify this being near, equal or above Sannin level), bijuu are childsplay.

A bijuu's moves are very fast, but can easily be read so these ninjas, being very fast themselves, just need to dodge. Since the bijuu tend to put a lot into each move, they leave themselves open in between. The ultra elite ninja just needs to attack during that opening and it is game over; well until next time. The problem with bijuu in the wild are that they are pretty much immortal (how do you kill something non-corporeal to begin with?). Also, they just keep on coming back for more after each defeat. Eventually even the most elite ninja will get tired. Thus wild bijuu are extremely dangerous.

The problem for the jinchurriki is that when they let their bijuu take control, they are still the vessel. While the bijuu may not have endurance limits, the vessel does. That's why the Akatsuki are having such an easy time. They just exploit those opening and attack the vessel. When the vessel goes down, so does the bijuu. We've seen this with Gaara, then with Naruto and now with nibi.

The question that arises now is while Naruto was in KB4, Oro couldn't take him down. To answer this, keep in mind that Naruto in KB4 never truely injured Oro at all. In KB4, the Kyuubi had Naruto so open that Oro had an easy time. The difference here was 1. while the Kyuubi was in control, Naruto's jinchurriki case is quite different. Naruto is merging with his bijuu, not just carrying and resonating with it. Thus in KB4, he actually took upon some of his bijuu's traits to the fullest extent. In normal state, this merging results in uncomparable healing. In KB4, Naruto became impenetrable. Otherwise, the Kusangi attack would have done him in for good. Also, this merging is part of the reason why Naruto is the only jinchurriki who holds potential to fully control his bijuu. Also, keep in mind Naruto is unique, even without the Kyuubi, in the fact that his stamina is unbelievably large. Thus, added quality of the vessel improved KB4's odds of outlasting Oro.

2. Rejection of the body to the foreign spirit started to occur to Oro during the fight. Thus he was weakened faster such that he did not have the endurance to continue. However, should this not have occurred, he probably could have stopped KB4. If Jiraiya could, even when he was not trying to kill Naruto, then Oro without his weakened health should also have been able to since he was just trying to kill Naruto.


Holy crap good insight (long) but good one.

[CheckMate]

why would they go to konoha?
ecstract another jinchuuruki?
one from fire country should be naruto, and thats itachi's job

heading there while still hanging the jinchuuruki is not very smart IMO

[Afroninja]

I just want to point out the Nekomata's abilities in Japanese legend.


Ability: Death; may control deceased person's spirits as well as different dark beasts


Nekomata can animate and control the dead to do their bidding, or even dance for their amusement. Sometimes it eats its owner, then changes into an human appearance, waiting for a next opportunity. Nekomata eats the person it hates, but if the person is even more wicked, the crueler the cat becomes. When it sees the person, Nekomata won’t differ the bad and good anymore, and injures the person as much as it can. There is also a good Nekomata in the legend, that often turns into a young girl’s appearance to approach the society; with a very docile nature, likes eating fish, has a beautiful body and likes depending upon others. Otherwise, the Nekomata’s appearance becomes of a old woman, that displays bad habits in public and always has an air of dread around her; which if around people for an extended period can cause disease and pestilence.

That makes me think that Nibi is the "good" nekomata. Also if Kishi stays true to the legends then Nibi probably wouldn't be truely dead

[rocker2]

Why go to fire country? Well, if I remember correctly, their extraction lair is located just slightly in Fire country, near the its border with the Wind country.

[laughing@you]

That makes me think that Nibi is the "good" nekomata. Also if Kishi stays true to the legends then Nibi probably wouldn't be truely dead


if so she sucks!!!

But she's not dead. The pictures don't show here bleeding other than her hands. So she's alive! And Hidan was complaining that he wanted to kill not capture. Which we can asume that she's alive...barely.

I wonder who will learn of Nibi's capture konoha or Jiraiya?

And who will they send to their aid, or to follow the akatsuki into the Fire country?

And what was the report Tsunade was receiving from that ANBU in ch. 312?

Too many questions!!! not enought answers!!!

[One Bad Mo Fo]

Why go to fire country? Well, if I remember correctly, their extraction lair is located just slightly in Fire country, near the its border with the Wind country.


The Grass country is between Fire and Wind countries, that's where Gara was taken, and only Sasori and Dederia were physicaly there. And now that it's been located and trashed I dunno why they'd go back there

[enzomars]

why would they go to konoha?
ecstract another jinchuuruki?
one from fire country should be naruto, and thats itachi's job

heading there while still hanging the jinchuuruki is not very smart IMO


Yep very stupid action indeed.
But as i said before , that make it easy for Kishimoto to organise her rescue.

She's the second strongest ninja in the hidden cloud village and she got so easily beaten
by one man? ( Yep i believe Kazuku didn't even move a finger in that battle, except to protect himself )



Hidan seems to have used some cult-like jutsu.

There was not cult-like jutsu in this chapter so we better stop it here before people go crazzy about it.

But the rest of Rocker2 thesis is really interesting. I'll add that the major Jinchuriki we've seen are very young
thus inexperienced. They don't know yet how to use the advantage of having such a great power in them
and control it efficiently. That's why they're so easy to beat.
Thinking of it, there's no manual where they can learn how to do it :-)
Naruto is lucky to have Jiraiya.

[UzumakiRoman]

well eventhough she is the second in her village there could be a huge gap between her and the Kage of that village!
it's not like Konoha where eventhough Tsunade is Hokage there are a few around who could take her place
as Hokage(because those others have equal or greater skill as a ninja)!!

[Iwanin]

Not to kill any optimism, but the clues given pretty much point to nibi being the last Jinchurriki to be captured.


It would be a shame, but it's quite possible... however...



As for nibi's state, she's alive, just not kicking. Otherwise, they can't get the bijuu. Hidan seems to have used some cult-like jutsu. Kakuzu acted to distract nibi while Hidan did his thing, or so it seems. Not to worry, Naruto still has time. No matter how strong these two Akatsuki are, they wouldn't steal Itachi's jinchurriki. Each of the Akatsuki are entitled to one, and one only.


That's what doesn't doesn't completely click with me...it's not just being entitled to one, it's more like each has to capture one. We're not even sure they'll "keep" them - all we know is that each is assigned one to capture. That's the reason Sasori was pissed when Deidara wanted to be the one to capture Naruto.

So when Kakuzu's looking at the map he's going "our 'noruma' (assigned mission) is one more creature..." Like they've taken care of the rest themselves. But they couldn't have done it all themselves.

Anyway, me is confused.



Finally, people are getting the wrong impression of the strength of the jinchurriki. Strength and power without control and skill is worthless. All Nibi did was what Gaara did: she let her bijuu take over and attack. This means she had little to no control. We have already seen that the bijuu are worthless fighters. They attack randomly and without focus.


I beg to differ on this. Shukaku attacked Gamabunta with a good deal of focus. Naruto's fourth tailed form is the one that lacked focus (to a certain extent - it *did* fight Orochimaru exclusively).



Overwhelming power is definitely one way to fight and with the amount of power these bijuu have, they can take on many elite ninja at the same time. However, against ultra elite ninja (I would classify this being near, equal or above Sannin level), bijuu are childsplay.


Well, I wouldn't put Akatsuki at "above Sannin level." Kisame's convinced he'd be no match against Jiraiya. Akatsuki also has trouble dealing with Orochimaru as well. Obviously you're right that Jinchuuriki don't necessarily pose that much of a threat to a super-elite, though.



Naruto's jinchurriki case is quite different. Naruto is merging with his bijuu, not just carrying and resonating with it.Thus in KB4, he actually took upon some of his bijuu's traits to the fullest extent. In normal state, this merging results in uncomparable healing. In KB4, Naruto became impenetrable. Otherwise, the Kusangi attack would have done him in for good.

Also, this merging is part of the reason why Naruto is the only jinchurriki who holds potential to fully control his bijuu. Also, keep in mind Naruto is unique, even without the Kyuubi, in the fact that his stamina is unbelievably large. Thus, added quality of the vessel improved KB4's odds of outlasting Oro.


Hmmm...personally? I'd say it's all conjecture at this point.

All Jinchuuriki have bijuu sealed inside them - that's all we know. All are able to tap into it's enormous power. Whatever the repercussions of using different sealing methods are, Kishi hasn't gone into that much detail yet, so we can only speculate.

How is Naruto "merged" with Kyuubi while Gaara wasn't merged with Shukaku? Both Kyuubi and Shukaku retain their own consciousness. Both confer their powers upon their host in some form or another. To assert that Naruto's healing is the result of being "merged" is pure conjecture. It may well be a trait resulting from Naruto's chakra being able to withstand the Kyuubi's because it's just special and nothing more.

There are certainly indications that each bijuu's chakra has different properties - Kyuubi has an extreme amount of chakra and it would seem to be poisionous to people besides Naruto. But to extrapolate from this that they are somehow merged and that this will someday allow Naruto to fully control the Kyuubi? If anything, the story leads us to believe the opposite: that Naruto cannot control the Kyuubi's chakra beyond a certain extent - that he reaches his limit at the three tailed form and anything else would overwhelm him and override his consciousness.

That's my two cents, anyway. They are ultimately pwnzed by whatever Kishi says. :amuse

Anyhow, I liked this chapter... I just wish these things were... *longer* :p

[ouhei]

Well since all the other Bijuu have been captured I guess that kills my hopes of seeing the 5 tails in action (the one that had all elemental abilities).

According to the translations they're heading to Fire country, and most likely Konoha. This would make for one hell of an interesting next few chapters. The other countries and villages haven't had so many high profile Nins profiled like Konoha (duh) so obviously the 2 akatsuki can't just waltz in, I'd love to see all the Konoha nin fighting to protect Naruto.

[bannik]

I am really dissapointed at what they have done
I wanted all the demon people to be given a story, a nice chance to explain themselves and so a lot of them have been killed without a good enough entrance to them...heck the newest one is killed in 2 issues.....seems silly to me to get rid of potentialy more good characters......as long as there are some more left maybe it could be better....i want naruto to form a group to hunt the akatsuki

[Remus]

Well I really wondered how the fight went on. Kishi really was mean there. Kakuzu seems to be doing nothing and that sucks. Hidans ability to heal himself and the Scythe is nice but if its all about that then go on with Kakuzu.

[C4animax]

She's not dead because they need her to extract the bijuu, fast chapter but i suppose that it was a transition chapter to get on the real action...and we didn't really see anything of the fight so i wonder why people say stuff about the new akatsuki group...it was :

Face to face to biju.
Meanwhile in konoha.
Biju maitrised.

No ability shown ;).



why would they go to konoha?
ecstract another jinchuuruki?
one from fire country should be naruto, and thats itachi's job
heading there while still hanging the jinchuuruki is not very smart IMO

Well they are akatsuki, they didn't seem too impressed by her...that's stupid but as someone said would be easier to rescue her and if she's badly injuried it's better to have tsunade close to the action and they might be overconfident....but will lose in the end anyway. I'd love itachi to stand in their way and say something like : "i'm affraid this jinchuuruki is mine".



I'll add that the major Jinchuriki we've seen are very young
thus inexperienced. They don't know yet how to use the advantage of having such a great power in them
and control it efficiently. That's why they're so easy to beat.

Err, we only saw three of them, Gaara is the same age of naruto and could use his biju form, the last one could use it but lost to akatsuki on two vs one and naruto ...well he got enough tails for himself, he might be the only one that cannot go to the max tails without losing himself to kyubi. But that's also the only one to have a seal.

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[rayywang]

This doesn't really make sense: when you look at the world map with the X's and compare it to the world map (seen at Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_geography) ...

1) There appears to be two X's in the sound country,
2) One X in an unnamed country to the west of the sound,
3) One X in an unnamed country to the east of the sound,
4) Two X's in the cloud country (east of country 3)
5) One X in an unnamed country to the east of the waterfall country

There are no X's in the Wind country, where Gaara and the ichibi are (were)
There are no X's in the Fire country, where Naruto and the kyuubi are.

They know Naruto exists because of Itachi's prior contact. Why would they say, on to the fire country, when Naruto is 'reserved' for another Akatsuki?

Sasori and Deidara had stated two prior jinchuriiki's had been captured (their countries gave them up willingly), plus Yugido, Gaara, and Naruto.

That means there are 4 more out there ???

The map doesn't really add up ...

[Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki]

Not to kill any optimism, but the clues given pretty much point to nibi being the last Jinchurriki to be captured. As for nibi's state, she's alive, just not kicking. Otherwise, they can't get the bijuu. Hidan seems to have used some cult-like jutsu. Kakuzu acted to distract nibi while Hidan did his thing, or so it seems. Not to worry, Naruto still has time. No matter how strong these two Akatsuki are, they wouldn't steal Itachi's jinchurriki. Each of the Akatsuki are entitled to one, and one only.

That is of course only if you look at the map as marking the locations of bijuu.

It's just as likely that they show where they have searched already. Look at how two countries on that map show two marks. One of these countries is a minor country. I doubt Kishimoto would give a small country two bijuu. The marks are also very close to eachother which indicates that they mark where they have searched and not where they have caught bijuu.

[bannik]

This doesn't really make sense: when you look at the world map with the X's and compare it to the world map ...

1) There appears to be one X in the sound country,
2) One X in an unnamed country to the west of the sound,
3) Two X's in an unnamed country to the east of the sound,
4) Two X's in the cloud country (east of country 3)

There are no X's in the Wind country, where Gaara and the ichibi are (were)
There are no X's in the Fire country, where Naruto and the kyuubi are.

They know Naruto exists because of Itachi's prior contact. Why would they say, on to the fire country, when Naruto is 'reserved' for another Akatsuki?

Sasori and Deidara had stated two prior jinchuriiki's had been captured (their countries gave them up willingly), plus Yugido, Gaara, and Naruto.

That means there are 4 more out there ???

The map doesn't really add up ...


maybe the X also mean failed location I.E they though there was a bijuu there but there was non....[br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 12:52:25 PM_________________________________________________also i just realised that this girl.....might not be dead....she was hanging there in a weird manner...and dont they need one of those temple things to steal it....so maybe she is just paralyzed then konoha comes and kicks their evil ass and saves her

[Iwanin]

That is of course only if you look at the map as marking the locations of bijuu.

It's just as likely that they show where they have searched already. Look at how two countries on that map show two marks. One of these countries is a minor country. I doubt Kishimoto would give a small country two bijuu. The marks are also very close to eachother which indicates that they mark where they have searched and not where they have caught bijuu.


Excellent analysis! Bravo! Thank you! It makes more sense now (and gives more hope)! :)

You're right, they're probably just going to "look" in fire country next. :D

[enzomars]

Well since all the other Bijuu have been captured I guess that kills my hopes of seeing the 5 tails in action (the one that had all elemental abilities).

According to the translations they're heading to Fire country, and most likely Konoha. This would make for one hell of an interesting next few chapters. The other countries and villages haven't had so many high profile Nins profiled like Konoha (duh) so obviously the 2 akatsuki can't just waltz in, I'd love to see all the Konoha nin fighting to protect Naruto.


Well looking at Kuzaku's Map , it seems like they got only 6 + 1 (gaara ) ---> 7 bijuus
Which means there's 2 more left ( Naruto +1 )
So don't loose hope you may see gobi soon ( i would rather like to see the 8 tails one)

+They didn't catch any bijuu in the water country so maybe ....

references : naruto world map http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_geography#Hi_no_Kuni_.28Land_of_Fire.29



That is of course only if you look at the map as marking the locations of bijuu.

It's just as likely that they show where they have searched already. Look at how two countries on that map show two marks. One of these countries is a minor country. I doubt Kishimoto would give a small country two bijuu. The marks are also very close to eachother which indicates that they mark where they have searched and not where they have caught bijuu.


Didn't see it before. Good suggestion. I even like the idea ... but hmmm sth's fishy :notrust

[Calibur]

w00t! naruto is picking up again! shame the fight was too short. but hey! we finally got to see someone who can control "the beast within". ^_^

[Enter4None]

Hidan seems to have used some cult-like jutsu.

Big fan of your posts rocker2, but IMO a cult-jutsu it's not likely scenario. Hidan has been presented in this chapter as a very wicked Buddhist, so whatever "interpretation" he has about such current is a very loose and convenient interpretation to keep himself "calm", and any relation to his abilities might be self-delusional.

So, Hidan's religion worships Jyasshin, an evil god... but that is most likely a made-up current by Kishimoto, since there are no deities in Buddhism (just states of the conscience represented through abstracts like images or objects).

Anyway, Hidan is a fanatic looney tune that has some creepy immortal vibes going on.

[destinator]

That is of course only if you look at the map as marking the locations of bijuu.

It's just as likely that they show where they have searched already. Look at how two countries on that map show two marks. One of these countries is a minor country. I doubt Kishimoto would give a small country two bijuu. The marks are also very close to eachother which indicates that they mark where they have searched and not where they have caught bijuu.


Thats a really nice point...damn I hate it to fall for so obvious things ( its not good to focus too much on one thought...) your version sounds really plausible.

[Iwanin]

Thats a really nice point...damn I hate it to fall for so obvious things ( its not good to focus too much on one thought...) your version sounds really plausible.


I'd say it's more than plausible - it's the most reasonable explanation. Kakuzu's talking about their assignment - what the two of them were assigned, not what the entirety of akatsuki is assigned - and the map more than likely represents things *the two of them* have done.

They *couldn't* have captured so many bijuu themselves.

For one, you got the *one member, one capture* thing; second, it would seem it's the first Bijuu capture Hidan's ever participated, because despite his reluctance he never complained about having done it before; third, Akatsuki already *had* three bijuu. There are seven marks on the map, so unless it was these two who captured the other two bijuu (the two besides Shukaku), Akatsuki already has 10... and there are only 9.

"Next is Fire Country" - it's like they're going to look in Fire Country next. No one's said they're looking for Naruto specifically - there may well be another jinchuuriki in Fire Country at that point in time, after all.

[Rampages]

That is of course only if you look at the map as marking the locations of bijuu.

It's just as likely that they show where they have searched already. Look at how two countries on that map show two marks. One of these countries is a minor country. I doubt Kishimoto would give a small country two bijuu. The marks are also very close to eachother which indicates that they mark where they have searched and not where they have caught bijuu.


Yep that's what I thought when I saw the map.

[Reiya]

Hmmm... Hidan's a religious nutcase. Nibi just had to get it's *ss kicked (too bad we didn't get to see if any dead bodies started to walk or dance when that happened).

[destinator]

What about hidans weapon, did it become smaller? Or looked it just bigger through the different views...?

[kadoman]

Woah. I can barely get my head around what happened in that chapter! I think this is definitely one for multiple readings. Slightly disappointed that Hidan is a pain in the ass. Hope that's just my first impression and that after a few reads I'll understand him a better.

But I had to laugh at Hisshou's translation of Kakuzu's line: Hidan, shut the fuck up. Love it. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[destinator]

Btw what about his body? At page 15 his hands go from black ( like sados arm from bleach ) to normal skin, could be a kind of armor ? Also did he stabbed himself? Damn this guy confuses me a lot >.<

[Kusachu]

I'm still dissapointed that Hidan is wearing pants under his robe. T-T He needed to be a flasher or something. lol


And if i recall correctly, didn't Deidara tell Naruto that there was only two Jinchuriki left when he had Gaara? i.e. Naruto and that cat chick? That was my impression of it. I wasn't expecting to see any others, so I'm not upset about that...but i do want to see the bird one...*twinkle*

But...I really don't want to see Hidan and Kakuzu go after Naruto. That's Itachi's job damn it! *grrrrrr*

[Iwanin]

And if i recall correctly, didn't Deidara tell Naruto that there was only two Jinchuriki left when he had Gaara? i.e. Naruto and that cat chick? That was my impression of it.


No, he said two other had already been captured, which fits perfectly with the fact that the huge monster absorbing the bijuu two eyes before absorbing Shukaku, and three afterwards.

Also, we don't know that they're going after Naruto yet. That they'll eventually run into him is practically a given - but we don't know if he's really their target or not.

They're going to look in Fire Country. That's all we know.

[La_Muerte]

did anybody mention about how we now know y hidans attack is the slowest, i think its because he takes so long to do his stupid prayer thing

[kadoman]

I'm still dissapointed that Hidan is wearing pants under his robe. T-T He needed to be a flasher or something. lol




Quote of the day! I laughed so much when I read that!



did anybody mention about how we now know y hidans attack is the slowest, i think its because he takes so long to do his stupid prayer thing


Another good one!! Ahh man...you guys gotta stop making me laugh so much...whoever thought Hidan would turn out to be the kinda guy you can take the piss out of?

[La_Muerte]

Another good one!! Ahh man...you guys gotta stop making me laugh so much...whoever thought Hidan would turn out to be the kinda guy you can take the piss out of?


i dont think hes weak, he may be weak or slow amongst the akatsuki members but hes not week, i was just commenting on y he said he was slow

[Kusachu]

I bet Hidan has a lot of hatred... :imslow[br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 03:30:15 PM_________________________________________________

No, he said two other had already been captured, which fits perfectly with the fact that the huge monster absorbing the bijuu two eyes before absorbing Shukaku, and three afterwards.




That's a nice observation. XD and that's why i don't like having so many differnt translations to choose from. XP but if that's true then then Akatsuki has captured like 5 bijuu in like 3 weeks though!! Weird. [br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 03:33:19 PM_________________________________________________wait make that 6 including Gaara

[venicia777]

I bet Hidan has a lot of hatred... :imslow[br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 03:30:15 PM_________________________________________________
That's a nice observation. XD and that's why i don't like having so many differnt translations to choose from. XP but if that's true then then Akatsuki has captured like 5 bijuu in like 3 weeks though!! Weird. [br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 03:33:19 PM_________________________________________________wait make that 6 including Gaara
what do you mean here? do we have any info that akatsuki has taken more bijuus apart from this one and the three we already are aware of? my memory is drawing blanks.

[Iwanin]

I bet Hidan has a lot of hatred... :imslow[br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 03:30:15 PM_________________________________________________
That's a nice observation. XD and that's why i don't like having so many differnt translations to choose from. XP but if that's true then then Akatsuki has captured like 5 bijuu in like 3 weeks though!! Weird. [br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 03:33:19 PM_________________________________________________wait make that 6 including Gaara


Actually, I'm of the opinion some people here have expressed that those marks don't represent captured Jinchuuriki, but merely places where Hidan and Kakuzu have already searched for theirs.

It makes sense: he says next on their "shiramitsubushi" is Fire Country... a shiramitsubushi is a thorough search... so it's very reasonable to assume they're simply conducting a search for jinchuuriki. They already caught one, they have one to go.

They didn't say "we're going after they nine-tails" (who's known to be in Konoha), they're just going to Fire Country...

As for translations, 99% of the time Nihongaeri's are completely correct, so... ;)

[kunai-knight]

Notice how kishi conveniently doesnt chow a clear pic of hidan's headband? its like austion powers...he turned at an angle, when he's facing dead on, he's holdin up somethin lol.

...I doubt akatsuki can take out that many jinchuukri in so little time. And it doesnt seem likely that theyd take the girl to fire country. And how is it possible for these two akatsukki to take out the rest jinchuukri? i mean wtf? wat are the rest of akatsuki doin then? Like itachi and kisame? So no no there definetly have to be more than one jinchuukri left to capture

[Hemostrat]

That is of course only if you look at the map as marking the locations of bijuu.

It's just as likely that they show where they have searched already. Look at how two countries on that map show two marks. One of these countries is a minor country. I doubt Kishimoto would give a small country two bijuu. The marks are also very close to eachother which indicates that they mark where they have searched and not where they have caught bijuu.


I like the way you think. :)

Maybe that is just where that team was looking for the bijuus. And to my knowledge Kakuzu didn't say "We're heading to Konoha" just "the Fire Country". If they were going for Naruto, don't you think they'd be very specific about that?

[Navid.]

I have my own view's on this chapter which I will probably post about tommorow ( getting quite late now)...

Anyway I just would like to point people to page 4 of the chapter which I found very funny, I mean the way that Hidan and Kakuzu look at each other when the jinchuukri blows up the exits is just priceless... (thats why I love this manga the attention to the small details) I wonder what they where thinking at that time :amuse :smile-big

[Metris]

People, I just can't refine myself from asking, so sorry in advance.

How have you come up with the speculation that Kyuubi is the last bijuu standing?

I mean, somewhere in the series, I remember someone saying that Akatsuki already had chaught 2 bijuu.
After that, they got Gaara, and now they have the kunoichi I seem to forget the name of...
And we all know that Naruto is the kyuubi, which leaves us with 4 more bijuu who haven't even made an appearance.

So can anyone please tell me the reason you say Naruto is the last man standing and that Akatsuki has 8 bijuus?


~Amanda

[DarkManSharingan32]

Sadly you probably wont get to see much pwning...
The chapter will probably open with the Akatsuki, and right when they get her cornered... it will switch back to Konoha. I think this is where Tsunade will assemble a team to attack Akatsuki head on from their last known-whereabouts (Naruto, Sakura, Sai, Chouji, Ino, Asuma). From here they will depart, and then it will switch back to Niibi, again scrambling for her life, bloody and beaten. The chapter ends with Hidan slightly explaining what happened, "Hmph, she dodges very well... must be the cat in her...".


Ahhh, i was quite close... even down to the cat related comment by Hidan...lol
The events flowed in the right manner... The Niibi just ended up using her power and getting a bit pwnd...lol

My big question is....
What exactly are Itachi and Kisame up to??
Did their last failure lose them the Konoha mission?

Why send people who aren't familiar with the area?
*shrugs*

Maybe those two are off handling ANOTHER problem... *cough*Orochimaru*cough*
Can someone say... Itachi vs. Sasuke 2? lol

[siegfried]

I like the way you think. :)

Maybe that is just where that team was looking for the bijuus. And to my knowledge Kakuzu didn't say "We're heading to Konoha" just "the Fire Country". If they were going for Naruto, don't you think they'd be very specific about that?


I think I got the situation. kakuzu said:

"We were assigned to capture one more... This is becoming a literal combing of the countryside..." "Fire Country is next." (from nihongaeri)

they are talking about searching for another jinchuuriki.if you think about it they havent found the kakuzu's jinchuuriki and they dont seem to know where he is.This is why they are travelling all the time.the x's on the map indicates the places they have been to and they have not been to fire country yet.so next stop is fire country (not konoha) .and another thing they know where naruto is ,they wouldnt use the word "search" if they were coming to capture naruto.

after those conclusions we can say they have only captured 4 bijuus.we will still see 4 more
jinchuurikis probably.

and we can say naruto have enough time to train before akatsuki comes.

[THETRUTH.com]

I think the X represent where they have searched like Kojiro said but I think one thing that is being over looked is the number of jinchuuriki that exist. We know nine bijuu exist but I dont remember it being said that all of them have been sealed.

Oh yeah and if they are going into Fire Country even if they are not going to Konoha it seems Tsunade is ready to go on the offensive. If they enter they will probably either leave the girl or not leave at all. Also I think that not showing the new Akatsuki members fight means they will be envolve in the next big Akatsuki fight.

One reason they probably used the word 'search' is because Tsunade-hime had been keeping Naruto on the move to protect him.

[kunai-knight]

ohh i've got it now!!! Its clicked!!! The secret of akatsuki revealed!!!

Hidan and Kuzazu arnt like the other akatsuki. Their main job ISNT to defeat a jinchuukri and bring it back in for extraction...no no. They are scouter akatsuki! They are just to look in areas to see if there are any jinchuukri around in those places. If they happen to run into a jinchuukri they attempt to take it in. If however they try and they fail, then they havnt really failed as they kno exactly where the jinchuukri is and can send the 'real' collectors. Of course the scouters are helped by the very capable akatsuki spy, zetsu, who gathers information about the jinchuukri's and tips them off into areas where jinchuukri are rumoured to be. In short this is akatsuki's setup

Leader>>> unknown>>>>gives orders, goes ku ku ku

Scouters>>> Hidan and kazuzu>>> search possible/rumoured areas where jinchuukri are to be found.

Collectors>>> Itachi and kisame, Sasori and Dedeira>>> Their main job is to bring in the troublesome jinchuukri. They normally send a person who is familiar with the area (itachi-konoha, sasori-sand village)

Spy>>>Zetsu>>> Main job is to gather information on jinchuukri whereabouts, on persons who could be troublesome to akatsuki (Oro and kabuto/team 7 ?) and possibly even new potential members...(sasuke?)

I know nothing of the other dude so i kno not where to place him :P He's probably the leader's right hand man or possibly another spy.

[Skeith]

sounds good dark sasuke, i like it... but i think the thought of sasuke joining akatsuki would be weird...
Leader-dude: welcome sasuke, to the AKATSUKI!!!!
Sasuke:...
Itachi:... WTH!? er... i mean.... uhh... Sasuke, its been a while... are you stonger?
Sasuke: CHIDORI!!!!
Leader-dude: ahhh... dam, should've thought about this... *sighs* ok guys stop now!
itachi and sasuke continue to fight until sasuke is beaten down terribly and dropped on Oro's doorstep

[Norbi]

I also think the crosses are the places they have visited. There are two crosses each in the Lightning country and one unknown country. Very unlikely such countries having 2 bijuu.

So, having the 2 before, Gaara and the girl (yugito, right?) they have a total of 4 captured but 3 extracted. í hope we see this pair in the next chapter :)

[DarkManSharingan32]

People, I just can't refine myself from asking, so sorry in advance.

How have you come up with the speculation that Kyuubi is the last bijuu standing?

I mean, somewhere in the series, I remember someone saying that Akatsuki already had chaught 2 bijuu.
After that, they got Gaara, and now they have the kunoichi I seem to forget the name of...
And we all know that Naruto is the kyuubi, which leaves us with 4 more bijuu who haven't even made an appearance.

So can anyone please tell me the reason you say Naruto is the last man standing and that Akatsuki has 8 bijuus?


~Amanda


People like Kakuzu and Kisame look like they have either been Jinchuuriki for a long time, ot had their Bijyuu implanted within them for a long time...
*shrugs*

Akatsuki might have just picked them up along the way[br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 02:35:26 PM_________________________________________________

ohh i've got it now!!! Its clicked!!! The secret of akatsuki revealed!!!

Hidan and Kuzazu arnt like the other akatsuki. Their main job ISNT to defeat a jinchuukri and bring it back in for extraction...no no. They are scouter akatsuki! They are just to look in areas to see if there are any jinchuukri around in those places. If they happen to run into a jinchuukri they attempt to take it in. If however they try and they fail, then they havnt really failed as they kno exactly where the jinchuukri is and can send the 'real' collectors. Of course the scouters are helped by the very capable akatsuki spy, zetsu, who gathers information about the jinchuukri's and tips them off into areas where jinchuukri are rumoured to be. In short this is akatsuki's setup

Leader>>> unknown>>>>gives orders, goes ku ku ku

Scouters>>> Hidan and kazuzu>>> search possible/rumoured areas where jinchuukri are to be found.

Collectors>>> Itachi and kisame, Sasori and Dedeira>>> Their main job is to bring in the troublesome jinchuukri. They normally send a person who is familiar with the area (itachi-konoha, sasori-sand village)

Spy>>>Zetsu>>> Main job is to gather information on jinchuukri whereabouts, on persons who could be troublesome to akatsuki (Oro and kabuto/team 7 ?) and possibly even new potential members...(sasuke?)

I know nothing of the other dude so i kno not where to place him :P He's probably the leader's right hand man or possibly another spy.






The only problem with that...
Is that Akatsuki knows exactly where Naruto is, so "Scouters" arent really necessary...
They are there to capture, and are obviously more bloodthirsty than Itachi...

They won't back down from a fight... even if it is smart for them to do so...

[One Bad Mo Fo]

I'm a little shocked that no one has included Kisame -who is almost certianly the three tailed demon shark jinchuukri- in the equation yet.

[Iwanin]

I'm a little shocked that no one has included Kisame -who is almost certianly the three tailed demon shark jinchuukri- in the equation yet.


I wouldn't be so sure - in fact, I'm sure this is not the case.

If they capture Bijuu and then seal them in that Anima statue, then *no* Akatsuki member has any bijuu inside them whatsoever.

When Deidara fights Naruto, he tells him that two other Jinchuuriki have been caught already. The Anima statue has nine eyes. Two of them were open when Shukaku was being extracted. A third one opened when Shukaku was completely extracted.

Conclusion: the bijuu captured by Akatsuki are in that statue. No Akatsuki has them "inside" yet.

The character Kisame might have been given atributes of the Seven Tails when Kishi created him, but that doesn't mean he's already imbued with it.

In fact, I'd say it all points to the contrary.

Chill out guys: Hidan and Kakuzu are just regular Akatsuki looking for their bijuus. They already caught one. Now they're off looking for another. Akatsuki has at least three bijuu caught and extracted - we can only speculate about the rest.

:)

[Raine_Joybringer]

I've had time to calm down, so I'll put up some of my observations from the chapter:

Kakuzu: Despite being mysterious, he's not the strong silent type, is he? He definately has a problem with having Hidan the religious nut as his partner. He's very serious about following the rules of their goals, which seemed to take an unexpected turn with Yugito blowing up the tunnels and going into Neko-Mode. I don't think he wanted a confrontation like that with her, and one that took so long (he's impatient about Hidan's techniques). Nevertheless, Kakuzu has proved his power in my eyes by stopping that blow like that. The Nekomata is known to have tremendous physical strength.

Hidan: So it's confirmed- Hidan is a bit of a religious nut... and a pain in the ass. He's not at all the serious type except when it comes to his "precepts", which he follows strictly. I see now why Kakuzu was paired with him as to keep him on target instead of going off and killing everything he finds. But Hidan is a lot more sly than he seems. However, I'm not sure if he meant to anger Yugito into going off into Neko-Mode or not. He seemed surprised by it. In the end though, it took him to resort using a serious jutsu to take her down. And now we know that despite having a low weapon speed, he has something extra up his sleeve. I think it'd be extremely hard to deal with his ceremony jutsu. Oh, and while I'm here... seems Hidan isn't from any country we know of. Though for some reason I can imagine a whole country filled with religious ninjas. Amusing.

Yugito: I think I have a character I want to cosplay as next year... Eh, back on track: Yugito really had the resolution that she wanted to kill Hidan and Kakuzu, didn't she? She's not the patient type either- Hidan's comments really got her fired up and made her dive right into Neko-Mode... which was her biggest mistake (more later). Also, I'm pretty sure that's a fireball it shot out. Nekomata are known for unexplained fires, but personally I had been expecting a little more...

Yugito's defeat: Plunging into Neko-Mode was Yugito's biggest mistake, like I said before. Sure she had the power, but with all the destruction and along with her size, it would have made it extremely difficult to keep track of everything, thus allowing Hidan to act like a "mouse" and hide out of the way while he prepared his ceremony. Unfortunately for Yugito, this ceremony was like a natural enemy to her and she was defeated. I'm curious about the positions of the different spikes in Yugito's hands and in Hidan's body... If the jutsu was a kind of 'twin death', then Hidan must have made some modifications to his ceremony to allow it. Also, was that Hidan with missing skin in that panel?

Hidan and Kakuzu's goals: Someone before mentioned that they could be "Scouters" for the Akatsuki. I think that could be possible. It'd explain why they said it was "convenient", and why they're moving onto the Fire country. The map might not have to do with captured Jinchuuriki at all, perhaps just spots they have scouted (it does look like a trail, doesn't it?). Yugito just happened to put them into a situation where they had to fight back. Hidan got pretty eager about the whole thing. Even Kakuzu seemed a bit happy with it. If they're to continue onto the Fire country Yugito would be a burden on them to carry. It could mean that they were only supposed to "scout" her out before continuing on, but because of the situation... I'm just wondering if now that means they're stuck with her, or they'll get another pair to pick her up, or even stop over at their new lair (I say new because I don't think they'd go straight back to the one Team Kakashi and Gai found. Also, I don't think they'd leave Yugito behind).

Asuma and Kakashi: Seriously, I'm disappointed that we got all excited over what they were going to talk about just to have Kurenai show up and drag him away.

In fact, though this chapter was interesting, I'm kind of disappointed. We did all that speculation just to come away with a wall trophy, more questions, and a lack-lustre conversation.

[Rampages]

Okay, I got some questions about this chapter.

First, did Kakuzu stop the two-tails attack with just his bare hands ?

Second, are you sure Hidan can change the size of his weapon ? Maybe it was just the angle that was confusing ?

Third, was the ceremony performed to beat the bijuu or is it just a ritual he does when he finishes a battle ?

Last, what the hell was keeping the jinchuuriki on the wall ? I really can't make out the spikes in my MQ version :s

[Raine_Joybringer]

Okay, I got some questions about this chapter.

First, did Kakuzu stop the two-tails attack with just his bare hands ?

Second, are you sure Hidan can change the size of his weapon ? Maybe it was just the angle that was confusing ?

Third, was the ceremony performed to beat the bijuu or is it just a ritual he does when he finishes a battle ?

Last, what the hell was keeping the jinchuuriki on the wall ? I really can't make out the spikes in my MQ version :s



1. Yes, yes he did. He's strong.

2. I was sure he could, but now I'm not sure... stupid angles.

3 and 4. The ritual beat Yugito. They both have spikes in their bodies (Yugito's in her hands).

[Darrenj]

1. Yes, yes he did. He's strong.


No clearly it looks like he did a Ino (or the other girl) type jutsu, cause she was stabbed and he was stabbed
I think he did some type of mind control then stabbed himself, which made her also stabbed

he stated he wanted to die, then in this issue we see his body turn black (dead) then he comes alive
saying he used his hands, doesnt make sense with all the clues

[Tha_bounce]

No clearly it looks like he did a Ino (or the other girl) type jutsu, cause she was stabbed and he was stabbed
I think he did some type of mind control then stabbed himself, which made her also stabbed

he stated he wanted to die, then in this issue we see his body turn black (dead) then he comes alive
saying he used his hands, doesnt make sense with all the clues


Read again...



First, did Kakuzu stop the two-tails attack with just his bare hands ?


1. Yes, yes he did. He's strong.

You are confusing Hidan and Kakuzu.

[Leen]

I like this chapter personally. It's a good chapter since we get to see more about Hidan's religion. It turns out to be an extreme buddhism. Well, jinchuuriki transforming into a cat is superb as well. It reminds me of Sai's cover in chapter 302. I am intrigued by '2nd strongest' comment made by her. Besides, the cliffhanger is really pleasing to know as well. Next destination, Fire country. Konoha will be in action again. Kakashi is recovering just fine with Asuma/Kurenai's relationship is a bit questionable. :D Overall, it's a good chapter.

[Raine_Joybringer]

Read again...

You are confusing Hidan and Kakuzu.



Evidence time! This is Kakuzu, stopping Neko-Mode Yugito's paw:

http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/kakuzu.jpg

[Tha_bounce]

Evidence time! This is Kakuzu, stopping Neko-Mode Yugito's paw:

http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/kakuzu.jpg


Lol. I was defending you and rather asking Darrenj to read again as he is the one confusing Hidan and Kakuzu. But I guess that wasn't clear from my post. Darrenj was referring to your response to Rampage with his post at the top of the page but took your "Yes, yes he did. He's strong" to be directed at the character Hidan instead of Kakuzu.

[Raine_Joybringer]

Lol. I was defending you and rather asking Darrenj to read again as he is the one confusing Hidan and Kakuzu. But I guess that wasn't clear from my post. Darrenj was referring to your response to Rampage with his post at the top of the page but took your "Yes, yes he did. He's strong" to be directed at the character Hidan instead of Kakuzu.


:P Too many posts make me confused... also I quoted the wrong thing >.< Darn. I just realised.

[Gold Knight]

Btw, excellent post back there, Raine ^.^

Pretty much got my material for my next 10 comments right there :P ;)

[Tha_bounce]

:P Too many posts make me confused... also I quoted the wrong thing >.< Darn. I just realised.


Well at least I'm not that terrible at getting my point across (as I was beginning to think so). Too many posts make me confused too or do they? :p

[Raine_Joybringer]

Btw, excellent post back there, Raine ^.^

Pretty much got my material for my next 10 comments right there :P ;)


Do I win a cookie? :3

[Gold Knight]

For Raine:

http://illuminations.randumbness.net/tutorials/mirc/step04/step04a.png

(Horrors, I'm spamming now. I better go to bed. >.> )

[Raine_Joybringer]

Whoo, awesome cookie. And yes, back on track... *looks around shiftily*

So, um... who thinks that Hidan's ceremony thingy took all his skin off?

Ew.

[Calibur]

or maybe, that ritual is like a sacifice? they could have probably killed/defeat her another way. hmm but i wonder how will the US change this type of guy. hmm.

[Paranoid]

Dunno if it's been suggested already in the thread, but I think Hidan's ritual might be a way to atone for the 'sin' of not killing nekogirl.

Penance to appease the god.

[kadoman]

That is a very good point Paranoid.

[Paranoid]

That is a very good point Paranoid.


And if the ritual did have any role in actual combat, I don't think Kukuzu would be so pissed about it, he'd understand the usefulness of such technique and put up with it.
Instead, he sees no practical value in it. Just a prayer to a god he doesn't believe in, a total waste of time from his POV.

Edit : Unless the ritual DID play a part in the capture and Kukuzu just thinks that some parts of it are optional.
So that would be a proper ninja technique, but with prayer-like embellishments added to it by hidan's cult.

But I still think the penance theory is more plausible.

[dharshana]

I like this chapter personally. It's a good chapter since we get to see more about Hidan's religion. It turns out to be an extreme buddhism. Well, jinchuuriki transforming into a cat is superb as well. It reminds me of Sai's cover in chapter 302. I am intrigued by '2nd strongest' comment made by her. Besides, the cliffhanger is really pleasing to know as well. Next destination, Fire country. Konoha will be in action again. Kakashi is recovering just fine with Asuma/Kurenai's relationship is a bit questionable. :D Overall, it's a good chapter.


Extreme budhism is when you become a renunciate. Its not budhism its a different religion.

[kingfencer]

man... the 2 tailed got owned so easily by just 2 akatsuki members... and we just saw the 9 tail get owned by sasuke, sad...

[Egoboo]

man... the 2 tailed got owned so easily by just 2 akatsuki members... and we just saw the 9 tail get owned by sasuke, sad...

Yes, having tail/ -s has obviously a negative effect on one´s power, which is why Sasuke is kicking ass. He was unable to sell his soul or his body to the devil himself, so he simply made a trade involving monstrous speed and his genitals. Makes sense, doesn´t it?
...no.
Try reading the things rocker2 said about pure power without control; bijuu seem to have an rather drastic urge to go all out without thinking about the consequences, simply because THEY never had to care about those consequences. There simply is almost no living beeing that could actually take advantage of their reckless fighting style because their real bodies heal at an amazing speed and are very hard to injure at the first place.
With a jinchuuriki lending his/her body to the bijuu, its a different story: the human body which is inside the chakra that is leaking out and is forming a body similar to the bijuu´s is fragile as a normal human body and therefore a skilled opponent such as Oro or an Akatsuki is surely able to attack the obvious weakkpoints created by such a fightingstyle. And i don´t think one can say that Sasuke owned the 9tail...he was able to push back that small part of Kyuubis chakra that was leaking out. That was INSIDE Naruto´s mind, Sasuke did not actually fight a physical manifestation of one of the bijuu, like Naruto did when fighting Gaara or the Akatsuki did against the Nekomata.

[kadoman]

Hmm...well, I've read the chapter a few times now and I have to say, I'm none the wiser as to what just happened.

Firstly, I am confused by this:

Hisshou's translation.



Page 6:
Hidan: My point is that this mission conflicts with my beliefs.
In Jashin (literally "Evil God" , the name of his religion), we believe in slaughter.
Anything less than utter destruction is a sin.
I can't get motivated over a mission that goes against that.
Seriously, I'm very faithful,
so not finishing the job bothers me.

Why don't we just talk things out?
Yugido: Talk?
What's with him?

Why all of a sudden, after going on about 'utter destruction', does he want to 'talk' things over? I don't get that. Can someone enlighten me?

Secondly, how did they get her?

Nevermind what jutsu he used, just phsyically, how the heck did he stop her attack and get her on that wall? I thought it looked like he shoved something in her mouth - but could be wrong.

Thirdly, is she dead or alive? (looks pretty dead to me!)

And fourth, she looks rather like one of Sai's drawings. I wonder if that is deliberate, or is that a certain style of animal?

Apologies if this has all been brought up before, I havent looked in here yet!

[Vita]

Hi everyone I am new here.

Does anyone wonder what Asuma was going to mention to Kakashi? It seemed more of a personal matter than anything mission related. For one he didn't want to talk about it in front of the other chunin but he also didn't want to mention it in front of Kurenai who is a fellow Jonin. I don't know if anyone's stated this but I think it has something to do with Asuma and Kurenai's relationship towards each other.

Also something else I like to ask is why are all tailed demons sealed inside of people? I mean the fourth was suppose to be the greatest ninja of all time and it took him dying to actually do it.

[kadoman]

Also something else I like to ask is why are all tailed demons sealed inside of people? I mean the fourth was suppose to be the greatest ninja of all time and it took him dying to actually do it.



Hey, I never thought of that. Good question there mate. And welcome by the way!

[Egoboo]

@Kadoman
1. He asked her to be a nice little kitty after that sentence you quoted and to give up before the fight even started. Maybe he simply tried to get her furious....which seemed to work...and maybe he wanted her to become furious in order to "force" himself to kill her....widespread idea, but the only one i could come up with.
2.The actual fight/finishing move wasn´t even partially shown...i thing Kishi used this to make us wonder the exact things you asked right now...my predicion is that one of them uses either a jutsu or a fighting style that could deal with the Nekomatas full-scale-frontal-attack-style. About her hanging there...i suppose thats just a way to bind her since none of them has any ropes or something else to keep her from getting funny ideas. It might of course also be the result of a special attack-jutsu...if that is the case, then we will surely see it in use in further chapters so that everyone can go "ZOMFGWTFBBQ! Thats how he did it back then!"
3. Not dead. Nope. I thought so as well in the beginning, but someone mentioned that those sign around her on that page are struggling noises, so she is most likely alive. Furthermore, Akatsuki needs the Jinchuuriki alive in order to extract the bijuu...the Leader would rip Hidan´s religious ass off if he actually killed her.
4. If you are talking about her 2-tailed-beast-form, yes that looks a lot like one of Sai´s drawings, especially like the one on chapter 302´s cover... i dunno if that has some kind of deeper meaning, but i doubt it.
Edit
@Vita:
Hm...someone had the idea that he was going to ask Kakashi to be his "best man"...how cute, Asuma-kun and Kurenai-chan are gonna get married ^-^
dunno if that is true, though....oh and nice to have you here :glomp

[kadoman]

Thanks Egoboo! Sounds like there are more questions than answers to arise from this chapter. I have mixed feelings then, about the the fight not being fully shown. Part of me accepts it as yet another stalling tactic of Kishi's and part of me wonders if that isn't a cop-out - why not show it to us? But perhaps you are right and it will play some part in future chapters. I seem to be saying that a lot lately. I do hope we start to see some coherency sooner rather than later.

[laughing@you]

Firstly, I am confused by this:

Hisshou's translation.

Why all of a sudden, after going on about 'utter destruction', does he want to 'talk' things over? I don't get that. Can someone enlighten me?



The way I see he talked about utter destruction cuz thats what his religion or faith ask him to do, kill. Hidan was complaining that he fights to kill not to leave them half dead. He mentioned that his assignment was against his religion. Which in a way suggests that she is alive.

Hidan ask her to surrender after all that talk, cuz he didn't want to fight if he wasn't gonna kill anybody.

And Kishimoto pulled a Sasori again. When sasori whoops kankuros butt it wasn't shown either, but later on he showed a kick-ass fighting scene afterwards with chiyo and sakura. Most likely, kishimoto is getting us ready for a real fight.

[Egoboo]

But perhaps you are right and it will play some part in future chapters. I seem to be saying that a lot lately. I do hope we start to see some coherency sooner rather than later.

Agreed, its about damn bloody time some things get cleared up...for example:
who the f*** is Madara? And what the f*** is up with the Sharingan? Why does Kyuubi know something about it? Why did he warn Sasuke not to kill Naruto? Why the hell did Naruto not ask or tell ANYONE about the stuff he saw and heard when Sasuke entered his mind? And those are just the things that are yet to be solved from that arc...there is a lot more from other events to be solved.
I mean, its obvious that Kishi won´t tell us about the Sharingan´s secret and Madara right now if it is important to further story development...but there are just so many unanswered questions right now, and the last few chapters are adding even more of those weird "what the hell is up with that?"-situations without answering much. It´s not ruining the manga at all (just telling you that to make sure i won´t get called a whiny little "you-know-what" that is too impatient), it´s in fact even adding a lot for me to have things to predict and think about...i´m just curious of the way Kishi is going to solve all that stuff seeing as how the story isn´t taking that much more pace i expected when the new Akatsuki members and the Nekomata were introduced. Ah well, i´ll just go with the old "Kishi IS going to solve it, he managed to do it several times so far"-excuse and stop spamming ^^´´
oh just saw laughing´s post...yeah, your explanation is in fact even better :amuse

[kadoman]

I honestly believe an old fashioned rant about Kishi's stalling tactics would do a world of good - get it all off our chests! But yes, in the current fandom climate, you run the risk of being berated for not being 'a true fan' or for bitching - though not so much on these forums, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I love the manga and Kishi - and I realise we must have patience and all that - but this is getting to be a bit much.

To get it back on topic: this chapter, whilst not being dire, is not exactly my idea of a coherent, smooth flowing, easy to understand and interpret chapter. In fact, it's rather more the opposite. Now, I realise that some people will say - but this chapter is part of a much bigger picture, all will be revealed. Yet, haven't we been saying this for so many chapters now?

When does 'build up of tension' become 'stalling for ideas'? [br]Posted on: June 30, 2006, 12:57:45 PM_________________________________________________


Hidan ask her to surrender after all that talk, cuz he didn't want to fight if he wasn't gonna kill anybody.


OK! That makes sense. Although it's still a weird thing for an Akatsuki character to say!

[Egoboo]

OK! That makes sense. Although it's still a weird thing for an Akatsuki character to say!

Well Hidan is one hell of a weird guy, and so are the rest of the Akatsuki...Itachi is absolutely calm most of the time, while Deidara seems to enjoy doing his job (blowing things up) and chatting about art (which he things his job basically is). Zetsu eats dead people (imagine him wearing a "I eat dead people"-shirt) and Sasori most likely lived his "live" for the last years inside a freaking puppet...if you ask me, there is nothing that would really sound weird if it´s coming from an Akatsuki member...those guys are simply plain weirdos, one worse than the other. It wouldn´t even surprise me if some of the yet to be revealed members is actually a quite honest guy with a nice sense of humor and/or who is believing in fairness.
They are simply all crazy in there >_>
oh and thx for your post Kadoman! Glad to hear someone has the same thoughts as i have been having lately ^_^

[kadoman]

Well Hidan is one hell of a weird guy, and so are the rest of the Akatsuki...Itachi is absolutely calm most of the time, while Deidara seems to enjoy doing his job (blowing things up) and chatting about art (which he things his job basically is). Zetsu eats dead people (imagine him wearing a "I eat dead people"-shirt) and Sasori most likely lived his "live" for the last years inside a freaking puppet...if you ask me, there is nothing that would really sound weird if it´s coming from an Akatsuki member...those guys are simply plain weirdos, one worse than the other. It wouldn´t even surprise me if some of the yet to be revealed members is actually a quite honest guy with a nice sense of humor and/or who is believing in fairness.
They are simply all crazy in there >_>
oh and thx for your post Kadoman! Glad to hear someone has the same thoughts as i have been having lately ^_^


OK, when you put it like that - my comment is just plain weird! Haha!!! Yes. Anything is possible with Akatsuki. And I love the idea of an I Eat Dead People shirt!! Had me laughing that one did!

Maybe The Leader likes a nice cup of tea.:D

[Iwanin]

I honestly believe an old fashioned rant about Kishi's stalling tactics would do a world of good - get it all off our chests! But yes, in the current fandom climate, you run the risk of being berated for not being 'a true fan' or for bitching - though not so much on these forums, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I love the manga and Kishi - and I realise we must have patience and all that - but this is getting to be a bit much.

To get it back on topic: this chapter, whilst not being dire, is not exactly my idea of a coherent, smooth flowing, easy to understand and interpret chapter. In fact, it's rather more the opposite. Now, I realise that some people will say - but this chapter is part of a much bigger picture, all will be revealed. Yet, haven't we been saying this for so many chapters now?

When does 'build up of tension' become 'stalling for ideas'?


Well, this chapter made a lot of sense to me, really.

Most of this has already been brought up, but to recap:

1. Hidan tried "talking things over" with Yugito because it's against his religion to fight someone and *only* leave them half dead. So he preferred not to fight her at all if that was the case.

2. The fight wasn't shown precisely to leave us wondering just *how* Hidan fights. We know his "attacks" are comparatively slow. So how did he get her? Probably a self-mutilation jutsu wherein he damages the target by damaging himself. This just *might* be the reason he said he wanted her to kill him the previous chapter - he sure looked dead in one of those frames. So now we're anxious to know exactly how his rituals work.

I personally don't think the self-mutilation was to "atone" for not having killed her, because Kakuzu complains that he always does it... and we know this mission was special in that he wasn't allowed to kill the target.

3. Yugito's not dead, of course, and I'd wager we haven't seen the last of her. Kishimoto mentioned something about a new female character coming out. That she was real strong and such. Probably Yugito. My guess is she'll escape and seek refuge in Konoha or something.

4. I think we can all start putting the pieces together as far as Uchiha Madara and all that goes. He was probably the head of the Uchicha who lived where Konoha now stands before it was created. He was probably the First's friend but they ended up fightinng each other. The statues in the valley of endings probably represent those two. The reason why they fought probably has to do with the Uchiha's role in this world. They are cursed, and their clan exists for a purpose that their peaceful existence in Konoha was "denying." Whatever it was, it confers them the power to suppress at least the Kyuubi's power, whom they'd fought before. It would make sense that Madara is also the leader of Akatsuki and that his interest in capturing Bijuu has to do the fabled original Uchiha curse. We can't expect to find out what the details are until near the end of the manga.

That said, Kishi *does* stall to the point you begin to lose hope that he'll *ever* answer some fundamental questions.

1. What's up with ne? Is he done with them? Is Tsunade just gonna smile happily as they undermine her efforts? Is Sai ever going to mention the entirety of the Anbu is now on Orochimaru's hitlist? This subplot has the highest potential of being dropped as far as I see, and I'm not liking it one bit.

2. Naruto's parents. I guess he was just cloned from the Fourth, right? He didn't have a mother? Not having gotten a clue about any of this since Jiraiya's "waruku omou na, yondaime yo" before he flung Naruto off a cliff is frustrating, specially since Kishi's left Sakura's parents completely out of the manga despite the fact that they exist.

3. What was the Fourth's criteria for choosing Naruto as the Kyuubi's container? Did he pick his son? Did he pick just a random kid out there?

4. If the Fourth wasn't Naruto's dad, why the fuck don't we know his name yet? If the Frouth *was* Naruto's dad, who THE FUCK was his mother? Don't tell me the Hokage had a girlfriend who was pregnant for nine months and no one noticed! Even if it was a secret relationship, he must have confided in *someone.* So why hasn't anyone told the kid yet? =P

5. What's gonna happen to Gaara now that he no longer has Shukaku? Are we ever going to see that?

Ok... that's my rant for today... :p

[kadoman]

Iwanin - my hero! Wonderful post - cleared everything up for me and restored my wavering faith!

But you know, the unanswered questions (in my rant) don't even go back as far as yours!! Issues I have go back to Sai and Danzou and their roles (what was the point of that scene in Sai's room with the 'cat' out the window and Danzou looking all threatening over Sai's shoulder? Why show the cat? Or was it a rabbit? Whatever). What about the necklace around Naruto's neck - why show a panel of that dropping? Why was it important to show that? And don't get me started on Sasuke, Oro and Kabuto...I'd be here forever and a day.

To be more on topic, somebody please answer me this one: what was the point of the conversation in Kakashi's room? Please, just someone...tell me.

[Egoboo]

Hm...well there are two possibilities in my opinion:
1. it was a personal matter ----> see "Asuma wants Kakashi to be his best man when marrying Kurenai"-theory
2. it is somewhat related to something he does not want the Chunin nor Kurenai to know...maybe something about a dark secret Kurenai has? It was shown that Asuma did spend a lot of time with Kurenai, and maybe he saw/heard/found something odd that forced him to doubt her loyalty...he clearly could not talk with Kakashi about that in front of their pupils (or better: young teammates) since Kurenai would chop his head off and put a stop to every possible relationship these two might have had for undermining her status in front of everyone like that. I guess he trusts Kakashi enough to assume he would keep his mouth shut if it turns out Kurenai does not have a dark secret.

[laughing@you]

To be more on topic, somebody please answer me this one: what was the point of the conversation in Kakashi's room? Please, just someone...tell me.


My theory is either:

1) This might sound fartetch but what if Asuma is related to nibi. And he wanted help to assist eventhough he didn't know she was captured.

2) He wanted to get some tips from Kakashi cuz his always reading those cheesy novels.

3) ummm..I'm out!! I'll update with ideas as it develops!...

[CheckMate]

oh please dont personal matter at this time, i mean we have just seen another akatsukis and a jinchuuruki, dont truin it with love thory :p

and when they say about fire country, does it make sense to say there is a possibility danzou hold a jinchuuruki?
we know that "root" has hidden agenda, and own a jinchuuruki claims their confidence

[laughing@you]

and when they say about fire country, does it make sense to say there is a possibility danzou hold a jinchuuruki?
we know that "root" has hidden agenda, and own a jinchuuruki claims their confidence


Hold one? Who? That would mean that Konoha has two jinchuurikis.

[Iwanin]

Issues I have go back to Sai and Danzou and their roles (what was the point of that scene in Sai's room with the 'cat' out the window and Danzou looking all threatening over Sai's shoulder? Why show the cat? Or was it a rabbit? Whatever).


Yeah, I figured I shouldn't even get into those... :p



What about the necklace around Naruto's neck - why show a panel of that dropping? Why was it important to show that?


Actually, I believe I *do* know this. Without the Necklace Yamato can't suppress the Kyuubi. When the necklace fell to the floor, that's precisely the moment when Kyuubi - the rascal! - said to Naruto "now's our chance!" They had their chance because Yamato was not going to be able to supress him.



To be more on topic, somebody please answer me this one: what was the point of the conversation in Kakashi's room? Please, just someone...tell me.


That's a good question. I think ultimately it was just filler. Whatever the topic might have been, however relevant it may be later on, there was no reason to start with it and then just end it - save, perhaps, to give the kids a chance to be alone at the barbecue for a while, and to allow Kishi not to bring up the method of Naruto's training for a couple of more chapters.

If you *really* want to look into it, you could say it was there to show how Kurenai's got Asuma *whipped* - like, one word from her, and he'll drop everything and go "Yes, mam!" A nice character-development related wrinkle. If their relationship serves as something of a catalyst to bring up the matter of *other* relationships, then maybe it will have been worth while. Maybe.

So yeah, I just think Kishi just has trouble sometimes putting together chapters that end in cliffhangers. So he uses some filler elements. -_-

[Rampages]

2. it is somewhat related to something he does not want the Chunin nor Kurenai to know...maybe something about a dark secret Kurenai has? It was shown that Asuma did spend a lot of time with Kurenai, and maybe he saw/heard/found something odd that forced him to doubt her loyalty...he clearly could not talk with Kakashi about that in front of their pupils (or better: young teammates) since Kurenai would chop his head off and put a stop to every possible relationship these two might have had for undermining her status in front of everyone like that. I guess he trusts Kakashi enough to assume he would keep his mouth shut if it turns out Kurenai does not have a dark secret.


OMG KURENAI IS AKATSUKI LEADER'S SISTER/DAUGHTER!!!!



I think he wanted to offer Kakashi his support, and maybe had some useful information or technique he thought Kakashi could use. Maybe it was something Kurenai gave him so he didn't want to tell him in front of her.

[SacredNic]

What I wanna know is, why are two other Akatsuki members on their
way to Fire country to presumably get Naruto when Itachi and Kisame
were assigned to him initially??

Does that mean the Leader was pissed off with their failed attempts
and put them on detention? :tem

[CheckMate]

What I wanna know is, why are two other Akatsuki members on their
way to Fire country to presumably get Naruto when Itachi and Kisame
were assigned to him initially??

Does that mean the Leader was pissed off with their failed attempts
and put them on detention? :tem




...does it make sense to say there is a possibility danzou hold a jinchuuruki?

[gold lion]

like he said after he left, he's under alot of strain? could be a relationship between them?

[SacredNic]

...does it make sense to say there is a possibility danzou hold a jinchuuruki?

How does one come to that conclusion?

Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. I mean, wouldnt we hear of Danzou the demon-possessed ANBU leader of Root by now if it were true???

[gold lion]

How does one come to that conclusion?

Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. I mean, wouldnt we hear of Danzou the demon-possessed ANBU leader of Root by now if it were true???


well, no one should hear about it, they are supposed to be the unseen millitary of konoha, who could probably hide that fact.
though i do think you are right.

[Mara999]

While reading through the manga again I noticed that the demonic aura seen behind Zabuza in chapter 32 resembles the Nekomata quite a bit
Maybe Zabuza was a Jinchuuriki also? It would explain why he managed to kill 100 academy students at such an early age (8 years old)

[maxhrk]

you and all have funny conspiracy theory there.. good guessing though. :)


Zabauza is not jinchuuriki, it just his Intent Killing Aura, nothing more.

[Mara999]

I know, I didn't seriously think he'd be. I just saw the resemblance

[Blazin_Cha0s]

Haha you should have read all the posts. I was the first one who said that it was basically only overused in the fillers.



I guess I missed that. Actually I didn't but I read so many posts in this thread alone I forgot sorry.



Agreed. It's not really a cheap move.. and it's not something I think he could just go and go and go like that with. In the fillers, ya know? How he's like.. powering a boat with it or something.

Man.. those episodes.. just.. gah.


Which.. is why.. we sit here like this.. and geek out until the next chapter is out. haha


Indeed. I actually didn't start reading the manga chapters that came after the VotE fight until around the time I saw that episode.. It was horribe. The quality of this weeks episode was so low... I was disgusted. :mad

Actually, I didn't know or think I could download decent manga until I found this site.

I love you guys MangaHelpers. :smile-big



All hail Kishimoto-sama for easing our pain a little every week... >.<


Hail Kishimoto-sama. Um? Your avatar brings up alot of questions, too. :blink lol

[Jus_a_drifter]

@ kadoman
dude think about it , he says he is very religous and devoute , he says that not kill her is against what he believes in , therefore can't it possibly that he was tring to convience her not to fight so that she wouldn't have to cause him to break his religous principles.
Oh wait nevamind Iwan said it already, my bad :p
(I didn't read his and post this I went to 30 saw kadoman ques and answered it here then i went back cause i could remember how to spell his name)

Oh and
@Iwan

I think the 4th chose naruto cause of chakara capacity, which leads me to believe that prolly the condition under which most jinchuuriki are chose whether it be charaka capacity or their potential since most of them have oogles of it,potential.

Also duh naruto's the 4th's kid or the 4th himself, I suspect naruto may even know or suspect this cus he got pretty mad when granny tsunade dised the 4th , (but maybe he got vex cus she dis the hokage and what it means to be hokage).
PLUS if he ain't the 4ths kid or the 4th himself why not say his name instead of calling him the 4th or just sensei hmmmmmm.....?

As far as his mother goes more than likely she was killed or resents naruto cause he has the nine-tails which killed the 4th or because he choice to the village over her, in the case of the reincarnate.

But hey i maybe be wrong , but thats okay........*pleaseberightpleaseberightpleaseberight.....:D*

[gold lion]

@ kadoman
dude think about it , he says he is very religous and devoute , he says that not kill her is against what he believes in , therefore can't it possibly that he was tring to convience her not to fight so that she wouldn't have to cause him to break his religous principles.
Oh wait nevamind Iwan said it already, my bad :p
(I didn't read his and post this I went to 30 saw kadoman ques and answered it here then i went back cause i could remember how to spell his name)

Oh and
@Iwan

I think the 4th chose naruto cause of chakara capacity, which leads me to believe that prolly the condition under which most jinchuuriki are chose whether it be charaka capacity or their potential since most of them have oogles of it,potential.

Also duh naruto's the 4th's kid or the 4th himself, I suspect naruto may even know or suspect this cus he got pretty mad when granny tsunade dised the 4th , (but maybe he got vex cus she dis the hokage and what it means to be hokage).
PLUS if he ain't the 4ths kid or the 4th himself why not say his name instead of calling him the 4th or just sensei hmmmmmm.....?

As far as his mother goes more than likely she was killed or resents naruto cause he has the nine-tails which killed the 4th or because he choice to the village over her, in the case of the reincarnate.

But hey i maybe be wrong , but thats okay........*pleaseberightpleaseberightpleaseberight.....:D*
i don't know, of all the akatsuki i like this massacreing psychopath. hidan is terribly interesting. i am insanely curious about his abilities in combat and his cult, kakuzu not so much. btw as for the 4th i think he is in naruto. don't ask why.

[venicia777]

there have been soo many theories linking yondai and naruto- that i will be glad if i was kishimoto. it will mean i keep my fans looking for more. i would keep introducing new twists and turns for as long as i can- since this manga aint gonnabe over soon.

why people want resolutions to the mysteriesin naruto is human- but why should he? the story loses its juice. i like the manga with all its world of labyrinthlike unknowns.

this kakuzu and hidan adventure looks like deidara and sasori- except this time they are not sending yugito to their base first. so she clearly has a chance of been saved- since those two have a mandate to bring at least two jinchuurikis back- not dead but alive. we will surely be seeing the insides of their jutsus soon enough. especially since Tsunade and konoha are already aware of akatsuk's movements.

[choosk]

2 jus_a_drifter, it's because the jinchuuriki have the bijuu inside them that they have a lot of chakra.. and potential. so far, the jinchuuriki that we know of (gaara & naruto) were chosen because of the circumstances that they were in when they were young... well at least gaara we know.. still not sure about naruto

[Skeith]

all we know is that for gaara, he was given shukaku, because he was the kazekage's kid, if i remember correctly... as for naruto, we just know it happened, not much of a reason as to why he was chosen besides he is supposed to be an orphaned, new-born (wouldn't be surprised if later on kishi deciedes to change or elaborate on this)

[rocker2]

The conditions for selecting the vessels for the bijuu seem to be varied - while some may have been chosen for innate chakra capacity, we know at least one case where it was based on politics. Gaara was a regular kid, but was the Kazekage's kid so the shukaku was sealed into him. Now that he no longer possesses the shukaku, my best guess would be that Gaara would still be able to utilize sand jutsu as he developed them. We also know that sand jutsu, or jutsu's similar to sand jutsu can be performed even without Shukaku present (ex. iron sand jutsu). However, he'll likely lose the shield of sand that normally protected him in the past as that was directly controlled by shukaku to protect Gaara. However the armor of sand, which was a protection Gaara consciously used, would still be in his list of jutsus. I would also guess that Gaara's chakra capacity will take a large hit since much of it was due to the shukaku's presense before. That being said, he was the Kazekage's kid and is a superb ninja himself so his own chakra capacity shouldn't be too bad either.

As for Naruto, we don't know any reason why he was chosen. We know he was/became an orphan and that the 4th sealed the Kyuubi in him. As for possible reasons, there is the Yondaime/Naruto relationship speculation that has been filling this forum. We also know through Yamato and what was shown in the capture Kabuto/Sasuke arc that Naruto naturally should have a huge chakra capacity to keep the Kyuubi's at bay and has a weird quality to his chakra that keeps the Kyuubi's from poisoning him. From these points it can be guessed that Naruto was chosen due to his chakra capacity and natural resistance to Kyuubi chakra. However, all these are guesses until Kishi decides to fill us in on the real backstory.

[WARKU]

I think from the way Kakashi say that Natuo Will Develope an Original Ninjutsu or jutsu, it will be Like DBZ.. Time Capsule Thingy!!!... But the only difference is that Naruto Will Train inside the Mangengkou Sharingan of Kakashi and Simulate that Naruto is Fighting Sasuke, Orochimaru and Kyubii!!!...
Waaaa!!! it would be a Like DBZ I don't Like That!!! it that happens NARUTO Will Have Originality!!!.. WAaaaa!!!! What do you think Guyz??!!!


THAT WILL BE WICKED. I FEW YEARS IN MATTER OF DAYS OR WEEKS FOR NARUTO TO A LEARN A JUTSU TO CALL HIS OWN.
NEW JUTSU

[angry]

ZOMG CAPS!

[kadoman]

Please don't type out whole sentences with the capslock on, as apart from it being hard on the eyes, it goes against internet etiquette. :)

[kunai-knight]

YeAh AnD aLsO tYpInG lIkE tHiS iS cOnSiDeReD aNnOyInG sO dOnT dO iT eItHeR!!!

jeeze y do people typle like that anyway? it takes forever to do.....

@kadoman
i see ur almost near ur 1000 mark as well...and only in a number of dayz....lol dont worry i'll catch up :)

wow anyone else notice how this week just flew by? we're almost a thursday agen. Naruto training! yeah!

however i hope kishi doesnt pull a fast one and show naruto JUST starting to train at the END of the chapter and think that it justifies the chapter name.

[conan]

however i hope kishi doesnt pull a fast one and show naruto JUST starting to train at the END of the chapter and think that it justifies the chapter name.

well hopefully not, but as long as I've read naruto ( which isn't very long) I've been disssapointed at the pace so I expect just that to happen, but I think it'll be good enough anyways.

[Brede]

btw as for the 4th i think he is in naruto. don't ask why.

that's what i think too! my reasoning goes like this *takes a deep breath*:

when sandaime was locked in battle with oro, sandaime supposedly used the 'same' sealing technique to seal the 'soul' of the 1st and 2nd (and Oro's arm) in the belly of the Death God. if i remember correctly, sandaime mentioned something about the 'sealee' (the thing or person being sealed) and the 'sealer' being locked in eternal battle inside the Death God for all eternity. sandaime died after the sealing. so, if the 4th sealed the kyuubi inside narutz with 'that' techinique (and died after that)...wouldn't that mean that the 4th is also 'trapped' inside narutz? :blink

[laughing@you]

that's what i think too! my reasoning goes like this *takes a deep breath*:

when sandaime was locked in battle with oro, sandaime supposedly used the 'same' sealing technique to seal the 'soul' of the 1st and 2nd (and Oro's arm) in the belly of the Death God. if i remember correctly, sandaime mentioned something about the 'sealee' (the thing or person being sealed) and the 'sealer' being locked in eternal battle inside the Death God for all eternity. sandaime died after the sealing. so, if the 4th sealed the kyuubi inside narutz with 'that' techinique (and died after that)...wouldn't that mean that the 4th is also 'trapped' inside narutz? :blink


:notrust I have my doubts on that. Cuz that would mean that the 4th couldn't be summoned or resurrected like the 1st and 2nd were, by Orochimaru on his fight against sandaime. And Orochimaru was in the process of resurrecting the 4th until he was stopped by sandaime.

I believe that Orochimaru will face Jiraiya and he will summon sandaime to fight later on in the series. :eyeroll It would be cool to see Sandaime fighting at his prime. And sad at the same time.

[Skeith]

i think that was just a whole little mistake on kishi's part creating an inconsistency without him noticing... it happens in a lot of series... and gets annoying but please don't ask me to find examples, i suck at that 0.o

@laughing@you
i agree it would be kinda sad

[Adam_xx]

See how Yugito reffered to herself as the 2nd most strongest ninja? I'm gonna say the "strongest" ninja of the village will come and stop Hidan and Kakazu...

If not, I think, more talking... or Naruto just starts training..

[angry]

See how Yugito reffered to herself as the 2nd most strongest ninja? I'm gonna say the "strongest" ninja of the village will come and stop Hidan and Kakazu...

If not, I think, more talking... or Naruto just starts training..

We're not quite sure wether Kishi meant that line as "My name is Yugito Two" or "My name is Yugito 2nd rank"... i think the current believe is that Kishi was referring to her name and not her power in the vilage. Also, the two tails doesn't seem like she'll be protected by any of her village... she seems more a Jinchuuriki everyone is afraid of and shuns.

Just my opinion ofc.

[gold lion]

We're not quite sure wether Kishi meant that line as "My name is Yugito Two" or "My name is Yugito 2nd rank"... i think the current believe is that Kishi was referring to her name and not her power in the vilage. Also, the two tails doesn't seem like she'll be protected by any of her village... she seems more a Jinchuuriki everyone is afraid of and shuns.

Just my opinion ofc.
no, she gave her rank as second strongest in the village and she was briefed like most jounin are on akatsuki, that's how she recognized them. there is no bijuu club.

[angry]

no, she gave her rank as second strongest in the village and she was briefed like most jounin are on akatsuki, that's how she recognized them. there is no bijuu club.


Well thats what 1 translator thinks, others think its just her name. Japanese can be a tricky language ^^

But it doesn't realy matter, i just don't think she'll be saved by anyone from her own vilage. That would go a bit against what Kakashi said "Jinchuuriki get the same treatment in every village" with which i meant that they don't have alot of friends and that villagers are often scared of them. My bet is still on Tsunada's plans... whatever they may be.

[gold lion]

Well thats what 1 translator thinks, others think its just her name. Japanese can be a tricky language ^^

But it doesn't realy matter, i just don't think she'll be saved by anyone from her own vilage. That would go a bit against what Kakashi said "Jinchuuriki get the same treatment in every village" with which i meant that they don't have alot of friends and that villagers are often scared of them. My bet is still on Tsunada's plans... whatever they may be.
i agree, but she may be the exception to the rule like gaara/naru.

[Rampages]

The strongest of her village is the Kage.

[venicia777]

The strongest of her village is the Kage.
of course. Rai kage it is. if yugito with all her jinchuuriki powers isnt the strongest, then i must say this guy shouda helped out in this battle. He coulda prevented her capture somehow. come to think of it maybe other kages are not as interested in their jinchuurikis as tsunade and co(at least we know for sure from deidara some dont really care at all).

[gold lion]

of course. Rai kage it is. if yugito with all her jinchuuriki powers isnt the strongest, then i must say this guy shouda helped out in this battle. He coulda prevented her capture somehow. come to think of it maybe other kages are not as interested in their jinchuurikis as tsunade and co(at least we know for sure from deidara some dont really care at all).
yeah, that kinda sux, i wouldn't wanna be one( jinchuuriki i mean) what a horrid existance, being lonely is a fate worst than death, lemme tell ya.

[venicia777]

i believe ya. take a look at Gaara- look at how wonderful he is now. Look at how he was before he changed and become the kage of sunagakure. Very lonely existence for many. come to think of it, if it wasnt konoha's help Gaara would have definately died .

[gold lion]

i believe ya. take a look at Gaara- look at how wonderful he is now. Look at how he was before he changed and become the kage of sunagakure. Very lonely existence for many. come to think of it, if it wasnt konoha's help Gaara would have definately died .
it's way girly to admit but i'm not afraid of my feelings, that scene where his whole village was there made me cry, really. i looked at the page for awhile, not directly at first. but yeah, i get it.

[Adam_xx]

We're not quite sure wether Kishi meant that line as "My name is Yugito Two" or "My name is Yugito 2nd rank"... i think the current believe is that Kishi was referring to her name and not her power in the vilage.



Well, wikipedia has already come to the conclusion that she was reffereing to herself as the 2nd most strongest ninja in the village...

Go read it.. xP

[gold lion]

i think you are right, but i don't know if i trust wikipedia.

[angry]

The ppl that write that wikipedia page, read these forums u know =P

[harlito]

No we don't. :eyeroll

[angry]

BUSTED!! =P

[SacredNic]

lol! wikipedia is for anyone to edit and add to

actually... I found the writeup of Naruto on wikipedia somewhat disappointing. I mean geez louise, havent people ever heard of the term 'spoiler' before!? :tem

[harlito]

That's the fun and the trouble with wiki'ing Naruto or any anime/manga series really.

What they should have is a Naruto ANIME section and a Naruto MANGA section.

Because.. we're really not spoiling anything.

It's the same difference as reading the Harry Potter books vs. waiting to see the movies.

We're current on the story and therefore Wiki'ers won't hold back. ^_^

[SacredNic]

Yeah, splitting it would save on some ruined excitement for those who only watch the anime and not read the manga (which are quite a few).

[harlito]

Have to say though, I was looking forward to the training in #313, so in a way I kind of felt like seeing the two tail was just something to appease us until this weeks chapter.





hehe.. you so killed the thread. ^_^

[kadoman]

Friendly reminder to keep on topic!:)

[gold lion]

Yeah, splitting it would save on some ruined excitement for those who only watch the anime and not read the manga (which are quite a few).


naruto has an anime?? didn't know, is i good? lol
anyway. hope they atleast show flashbacks of how yugito got pwned lol
but i am fiending for shots of that fight

Please see above reminder to keep on topic - that is discussion of 313 - K