Naruto is getting worse/boring/unattractive Thread

[segua]

I feel as if Kishimoto is going to wrap up Sasuke's sub-plot with the whole Sharingan ordeal he introduced early on. Sasuke plays an integral role in the shaping of Naruto's becoming future Hokage. With this turn of events, Kishi might even have the Kyuubi extracted from Naruto, Uchiha sub-plot finally put to rest and etc.

But one thing that I am glad about is the use of the supporting characters though he didn't actually have to cycle through them. He could've made better use of them. But I'm glad that they are at the very least seeing some action.

[Jammin]

I don't really have a problem with all these Uchiha's as long as Naruto becomes the main character again soon. All these chapter's all about Sasuke without Naruto even in them are definatly not favorites of mine. Sasuke's complete lack of a sense of humor has gotten old pretty fast for me. In fact now that i think about it Madara seems to be the only Uchiha to have been born with a sense of humor.

[m0ji]

i think its ok :) There were so many chapters and episodes WITHOUT any uchiha...Now there is the secret behind the Uchiha clan,Itachi storyline,Akatsuki involves much of the Sharingan,Naruto chasing Sasuke...And you see Naruto too in the chapters...whats the to complain about.We see a little Sasuke action ;) He was week in the beginning 130 episodes or so...lost kinda every of his battle...Lee owned him,Gaara owned him...Give some appreciation to him ;) i m pretty happy i can see a talented ninja fight finally...because i am sick of seeing Naruto only using ONE damn Jutsu and that is his so freaking often seen Rasengan...@least the Uchiha kid gives us a real good fight and we dont know what will happen...when i see Naruto fight i can freakin predict away with 100% sureness that he ll finish it off with a Rasengan...

[lucky]

As we have seen in the last chapters the focus is going back to Naruto, because he will be chased by Pein.
Agreed, looking forward to it


while Itachi seems to be pretty far away from Sasuke(like always).
True

The thing i dont like about this situation is that the sharingan plots remain the long-term drivers while naruto participates in the short-term "new jutsu" or "new battle" arcs.

The only long-term driving plot of naruto's character would probably be his desire to be hokage, but thats pretty much a given outcome of the series - there doesn't seem to be any mysteries down that path.

[aimaimaim]

As we have seen in the last chapters the focus is going back to Naruto, because he will be chased by Pein.

i hope this will be set in motion..

and will it be safe if i would not think that Pien has any relationship with the 'Uzumaki' or something close to it.. because we can see that he really looks like naruto.. much like Tobi, he l00ks like Obito from 'Uchiha' and that bought it all the commotion that tobi=obito, not that i agree t0 the tobi=obito theory(because its still a theory).

[ikuroi]

Arhmm, I thought the Uchiha/Sharingan-plot WAS a sub-plot, but not anymore. When all the major enemies (we've had so far) got something to do with the sharingan or the uchiha clan, makes me wonder! Naruto has the potential to make a story so much more than about how an eye can be used as time portal, ferris wheel and much more. We could have a plot about Naruto and his past/family/more, about jinchuurikis, about the other ninja villages. But I think we all should understand that after 360+ chapters we have heard the jinchuurikis say a couple of lines, seen some glimpses of the other villages... and nothing really about Naruto.


I hope that i'm getting thru to someone here... the manga is about the uchihas and the sharingan, and sasukes and narutos freindship, AND sasukes revenge.

[sky_1185]

They aren't so unique anymore are they? I remember even in the beginning of the serious, my only thoughts were 'I hate Sasuke'. Yeah yeah his family got slaughtered by his brother, he was all acting a punk and a fool. When Sakura was talking about how Naruto does bad things because he has no parents and sasuke got mad and called her annoying.

It annoyed me when at the valley of the end he used that same argument against him. Saying how 'You never had a family to lose!' what a punk! Selfish little bastard. Anyways...as many people have said. Part 2 should be renamed Uchiha: Sharingan Chronicles.

[Seung]

I think that Kishimoto should stop being such a tool and start making the comic about what he wants and not what the fangirls want.
There is just too many Uchiha. Sure its entertaining but the story is about NARUTO right? Then make it about Naruto. Why the hell are all the Uchiha's coming out of the blue? Why is it that Sasuke didn't die? I was almost happy. But Kishimoto was like "lol i'm gonna fake it and make another uchiha." Screw you Kishimoto. Start developing Naruto already.

[AliasM]

I seriously hope they die. It would be awesome too... In order to save Naruto's life, Sasuke battles Itachi and they kill each other in an epic Final battle.

Sai's cooler than Sasuke anyway.

But you prolly need a sharingan to truely beat a sharingan or some bs so We'll end up seeing itachi die but sasuke live to kick the crap outta Maedara (I honestly don't think it's Obito).

I also want Kishimoto to just admit that the 4th is Naruto's father. I know that generally similar looks doesn't mean relation, but He also made a point of having every one of the Konoha 12 look almost exactly like their parent (if we see their parent(s) that is). I'd love a big long character-developing arc about that. At this point Naruto (and Sakura!) is such a 1-dimensional character it's not even funny. He's kinda stupid, he's a perv, he has 2 jutsu that he bases all of his fighting from, but friendship will always prevail! -gags-
And it's obvious there's more to him than that. We just need an oppurtunity to see it.

[Seung]

Its because they keep on developing the Sharingan and creating plot holes, then more sharingan plotholes and then some. Didn't you remember when Byakugan was getting up there? And then they chose Sharingan because "Sasuke has a dark past and hes a loner"
Secondly, the Sharingan is red. Everyone apparently likes red eyes. Its only because of the fangirls that Kishimoto is doing all of this. He really should stop.

[marte1980]

I seriously hope they die. It would be awesome too... In order to save Naruto's life, Sasuke battles Itachi and they kill each other in an epic Final battle.

Sai's cooler than Sasuke anyway.

But you prolly need a sharingan to truely beat a sharingan or some bs so We'll end up seeing itachi die but sasuke live to kick the crap outta Maedara (I honestly don't think it's Obito).

I also want Kishimoto to just admit that the 4th is Naruto's father. I know that generally similar looks doesn't mean relation, but He also made a point of having every one of the Konoha 12 look almost exactly like their parent (if we see their parent(s) that is). I'd love a big long character-developing arc about that. At this point Naruto (and Sakura!) is such a 1-dimensional character it's not even funny. He's kinda stupid, he's a perv, he has 2 jutsu that he bases all of his fighting from, but friendship will always prevail! -gags-
And it's obvious there's more to him than that. We just need an oppurtunity to see it.
That you need a sharingan to kill a sharingan is just something that some of the characters said,that doesn't mean it's true.I hope that it will be Naruto the one who'll kill Madara.I hope that we'll start to see the extermination of the remaining Uchihas.The character development of Naruto stopped a long ago.We still don't know anything about his past.How is it possible that he has never asked anyone anything about his parents?Plus,with this story of "saving sasuke",he's not becoming the leader he's supposed to be.After the last training they said he was a completely different Naruto!?Did you see any real difference?Every time something happens,he still has to ask what to do to the others.How can he become the Hokage this way?
Please kill all the Uchihas and restart the plot around Naruto.

[ShadowStrike]

.. crap.. this is "naruto".. not "uchiha".. im starting to get annoyed by these characters.. leaving narut0 being an undeveloped character.. while all those 'power freaks' get all the fun

just my opinion though..


LOL

Well I think Kishimoto fell in love with Sasuke and wants to make him the ultimate character, even beyond Kyuubi and Maradar.

Also could be he wants Sasuke to be the best, then finally get Naruto to beat Sasuke again. Making Naruto then the best. LOL?

Oh wait there's one more possibility, Kishi was really impressed with Saiyans from Dragon Ball Z. Then so he made Sharingan = Saiyan, then we get MS = Super Saiyan! Oh my, that would leave Naruto = Krillins?

Anyway here i propose a more relevent Naruto logo, taking into account of recent development in the manga. Enjoy =D

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6845/msnarutogj8.th.gif (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msnarutogj8.gif)

[img=http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6845/msnarutogj8.th.gif] (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msnarutogj8.gif)

[Lynxie]

I think the Uchiha's are an important part of the main plot. It has connection with all the important story lines.
Just like Naruto has connections to all important story lines.

I am a Sasuke and Naruto fan, both are great characters and I just love how their story seems to intertwine... I just love that kind of story telling.

[aimaimaim]

Just like Naruto has connections to all important story lines..

can you clarify it to me more about the connections of naruto to the manga please aside from him being the kyuubi, and being sasuke's best friend and the "future hokage"?

because from what i see, its only naruto that has something to do with the uchiha and sharingan and not them having to do with naruto. in short, the well-developed characters are the uchihas and nothing more. tell me, can you say an name of a character that is so well though and has a clear history aside from the uchiha's??

i think there is neji, kimimaru.. *after a long pause of thinking*.. i think thats all.. only those two.. and these two are only extras, and one of them is dead.. also, sakura having the power of the 5th Hokage, we don't even know who are his mother and father.. all of the genins from 1st part of naruto series, aside from team kakashi, have thier parents. and oh wait.. sasuke had his parents too.. but ehy were killed by his power-hungry and a perfectionist brother.

again these are only my opinions.. 1st part of naruto was great even though only fragments of the character naruto was shown..

__________________________________________________________
only 2 jutsu?? omg! what a character.. battles are like these.. hand-to-hand, throw a little shuriken, naruto bleeding, kage bunshin, rasengan, enemy heavily breathing and dying.. what an awesome character..

cheers to naruto ^__^

[ShadowStrike]

Oh did we forget Kakashi also has the Sharingan? LOL

[AliasM]

Kakashi got the Sharingan from an uchiha (who died, btw. I have no complaints there :D :D :D)

Maybe Sasuke will die and have one of his sharingan implanted in Naruto. rofl

Honestly though... What do we really know about Naruto?

-He has the Kyuubi
-lotsa chakra
-Unknown/unique clan name
-Orphan
-The village hated him until recently
-He was kind of a tard in the Academy and took forever to complete it
-Can use a whopping 2 Jutsu
-Wants to become Hokage
-After actually talking to him, gets under people's skin (in a good way.)
-Develops 1 move (well, I guess you could say two) to use with his elemental chakra
-Trains with Jiraiya, becomes bigger pervert
-Summons toads

Sasuke:
-Sharingan
-lotsa chakra
-Survived the 10% chance of living /w the cursed Seal
-Chicks love him
-No interest in said girls (read: ghey)
-Best in class
-Prominent clan
-Had mother, father, and Brother
-Clan wiped out by psycho brother
-Single-minded desire to kill brother
-potential to become stronger than brother
-Early-on proficiency with elemental chakra
-Some ungodly number of fire jutsus
-Trains with Orochimaru; becomes even more of an asshole
-Orochimaru wants his body (see above parentheses)
-Summons snakes
-Kills Orochimaru; forms 4 man cell to hunt brother


hm. I'm sure there's a lot more I could add to both of these but I'm totally drawing blanks. I think I'm going to go to bed now :darn

[ttxdragon]

While there have been good arguments strewn throughout the convo until now,
please remember that accusing people of "fandom" or bashing characters ("DIE UCHIHAS DIE") and such stuff are not what we want to see here :p

please try to stay as objective as possible. personal feelings are fine, but don't get insulting/deathwishing/accusing towards other people, characters in the manga, the manga itself or the mangaka :p


[hr]


on that note,
i got to agree with people who say that the manga is far too focused on the sharingan...
at least ever since sasuke got his sharingan >.> (very early on XP )

Part2 in general has used plotlines to introduce sharingan abilities and to give some "fanservice" we got the FRS-arc...

I mean, the gaara-rescue arc was to show two things:
the akatsuki aren't invicible but extremely strong and to show Kakashi reached MS status and can teleport things to some unknown dimension with it...

Then sasuke rescue:
We get shown that naruto has problems due to kyuubi, taking his powerlevel down a notch it seems, and we see that sasuke is unreachable for them at that moment.

The FRS/Shikamaru arc:
The highlight of part2 for fans of the HERO of this manga,
we get shown that he can do something, that he learned, that he ain't the dumb little genin he was before the timeskip.... but only for short... because the rest of the arc focused on a whole different set of characters...
and directly afterwards we see how a sharingan wielder defeats a thousand nins without even spilling a drop of blood from then or sweat on his parts...

The Hebi arc/Current arc:
Yay for sasuke's power, we see him defeating long time evil chars, keeping a psychotic person in check, defeating an akatsuki on his own due to his sharingans powers, summoning manda although he already had to conserve chakra to just sustain his standing position...
the only favorable thing at that point is that it's shown that he ain't invincible...
and then a shocking truth is revealed: We get a new sharingan user. one seemingly more powerful then all others and he tells us that the "true power of the sharingan" (although already tremendous) ain't even at it's peak!


Somehow the story lost the focus on who is the main character... for seemingly no reason...
It seems like the Hero of the story (naruto) is just a second or third row char to be thrown into the fray from time to time....


(i hope i didn't forget too much >.>;; if i did, point it out :p)

[ShadowStrike]

If Kyuubi grants Sharingan to Naruto, maybe he can make a comeback. Or maybe Itachi will die and his eyes will be passed on to Naruto. Maybe we'll get an Uchiha Naruto then!

[kuroi-san]

the whole tobi being uchiha breaks so much tension in the series for me. literally, the main story arc just got a big big twist. pretty much the whole plot of part one (and still very pertinent to part 2) is the attempts of naruto to get sasuke back. and the only reason sasuke left, as we all know, is to get power to defeat itachi. so really, the deep-down and true plot of Naruto is in fact the struggle for Sasuke to defeat his brother, and that was made very intense by the fact that they were the last two of the clan (which we now know to be false).

this incorporation of another uchiha throws a giant wrench in that, because it kind of makes itachi's purge seem weaker (by the virtue of it not being complete) and it kind of weakens sasuke as well, as now he has another uchiha member to know or interact with or whatever. iono. i don't really like it. i was really looking forward to AL - or whoever is in fact in charge of akatsuki - to be someone really new and different. the moment i saw that "dude" (who turned out to be tobi i guess?) in the shadows talking to pain and blue hair, i was like "wtf!!!!" really excited. but it being tobi is kind of disappointing :/

we shall see... i suppose...

[AliasM]

While there have been good arguments strewn throughout the convo until now,
please remember that accusing people of "fandom" or bashing characters ("DIE UCHIHAS DIE") and such stuff are not what we want to see here :p

please try to stay as objective as possible. personal feelings are fine, but don't get insulting/deathwishing/accusing towards other people, characters in the manga, the manga itself or the mangaka :p



Sorry, I wasn't just randomly deathwishing, I Honestly believe that Sasuke should die somewhere in the plotline in order to further the story. Once he kills Itachi he will have fufilled his self-proclaimed single purpose in life, and will be a total drag of a character to keep around.

So I figure, either he and his brother kill each other, or he kills Itachi but realizing he no longer has any purpose to his life and cannot just go back to sitting idly in the village, kills himself.

Sorry for being morbid, if anyone else has a reasonable alternative, I'm all ears.

Also, I don't think that even the Kyuubi has the power to 'grant Naruto' the Sharingan.

[marte1980]

Sorry, I wasn't just randomly deathwishing, I Honestly believe that Sasuke should die somewhere in the plotline in order to further the story. Once he kills Itachi he will have fufilled his self-proclaimed single purpose in life, and will be a total drag of a character to keep around.

So I figure, either he and his brother kill each other, or he kills Itachi but realizing he no longer has any purpose to his life and cannot just go back to sitting idly in the village, kills himself.

Sorry for being morbid, if anyone else has a reasonable alternative, I'm all ears.

Also, I don't think that even the Kyuubi has the power to 'grant Naruto' the Sharingan.
Well,if the Kyuubi can grant some power to Naruto,I hope it grants him another one more powerful than the Sharingan.For example something that makes Naruto completely immune to Genjutsus and to Tsukuyomi,and then some of the powers that it has on its tails.But,I don't think it's gonna happen,even the Kyuubi's chakra has been annihilated by sasuke's sharingan.I simply don't like this manga anymore!The last good moment was the Naruto-Gaara fight after the chuunin exam.Then I had some hopes during the training Naruto+Kakashi+Yamato,but then again everything is about sasuke and the Sharingan.I think I'll stop reading this manga.

[Lynxie]

can you clarify it to me more about the connections of naruto to the manga please aside from him being the kyuubi, and being sasuke's best friend and the "future hokage"?

because from what i see, its only naruto that has something to do with the uchiha and sharingan and not them having to do with naruto. in short, the well-developed characters are the uchihas and nothing more. tell me, can you say an name of a character that is so well though and has a clear history aside from the uchiha's??

It has to do with Naruto, because it effects his world. It seems they even need the Kyuubi to unleas the whatever power Uchiha have, which makes this personal for Naruto too.

Yes it is Kyuubi, his wish to be Hokage and Sasuke, that this is intertwining with eachother.
I am sorry I can not put aside the 3 main story lines of Naruto, those 3 things created Naruto what he is today.

Where Kyuubi shaped his sad past, his personality gave him the determination to make people acknowledge him. Instead of going to the dark side like Gaara did. This gives him the dream of being Hokage.

Sasuke (and his other friends, too) created that he has something to fight for, now he is not only wanting to be Hokage, he wants to protect his friends too. Which is a little step closer to Hokage, and a huge step in getting acknowledgement from other people, the main reason why he wanted to be Hokage in the first place... And this also shows how driven he is in "saving" Sasuke.

Till now Naruto character is driven bij his personality. His understanding of people, shows he is more then a stupid dumb boy. (But I guess not many would agree with me in this)

I think we will get to know more about Naruto's past, but it probably be something shocking which give his story a plot twist, and makes it connected even more to the main plot, but that is just what I think...
Anyway, I already find him very connected with the main story, so in my opinion he doesn't even need his past. (but I would love to see it, and really hope Kishimoto will let us see more about it.)
But I guess you and many other people see this in a different way.

The Uchiha are very important to the plot, they have an interesting past (in my opinion)
Kishi actually gave us so many signs about how great and overpowered they where, that is almost stupid of us not to see that this was belonging to the mainplot.
If I look back to everything, it makes so much sense.

This is something Naruto has to overcome. He has to show his own skills, but also let us see you don't have to be a Uchiha to be great.
And in my opinion Narto is already great, his personality defeats any of the Uchiha.

But I do like Sasuke and Itachi too, Kishimoto created a lot of great characters!

A well I don't think I can turn over you or anyone else...
Probably because I don't care about fighting and power and strength, it is the emotions and the connection of the stories that makes me reading this manga.

[ShadowStrike]

I am not sure if I could agree with you there. Naruto hasn't really show his own skills, at least not that much. Whatever Naruto have to or will overcome, it entirely up to Kishimoto. Right now Naruto has like 2 jutsus in his pocket. As for Uchiha, they ARE the greatest. Tell me who are greater than the Uchiha now? Jiraiya? Orochimaru? Any Kages? Uzumaki clan? Kakashi? Anbu? You get the idea.

[aimaimaim]

@Lynxie

uhmm.. i think you have some points. but what i am saying is that this is naruto on becoming from nothing to something. we can say that the link between naruto and the uchiha and tobi/madara is there BUT Naruto's development.. has just stop since his he last saw sasuke.

yeah we saw him create a new jutsu but what? did it gave a new development on him? i think only a little.. sasuke made more development, having so much skill and bind Manda to his own will. and what of our hero Naruto? nothing.. they both killed an akatsuki but thats it.. naruto killed it because he was helped by his friends. sasuke killed an akatsuki on his own, and killing Manda in the process.. who is stronger?

another thing.. sasuke defeated orochi, while naruto couldn't kill him in his 4 tailed form.

there maybe links to naruto, sasuke and the akatsuki.. but the development of the story of naruto, which is the hero. isn't developing much like sasuke and akatsuki..

my 2 cents.. ^__^

@ShadowStrike

oh oh oh.. i have one who is greater than the Uchihas.. its Youndie! ^__^
get it? ^__^

[kluzman]

As for Jiraya we do not really know, but remember Itashi said (in part I) that if they attacked him together with kisame they would probably both die in the attempt.

[ShadowStrike]

@Lynxie

@ShadowStrike

oh oh oh.. i have one who is greater than the Uchihas.. its Youndie! ^__^
get it? ^__^

Youndie is dead. ^^

[Lynxie]

@aimaimaim and @ShadowStrike

Remember the talk of Jiraiya and Orochimaru at the Sannin fight?

Chapter 166

Orochimaru: That child (Naruto) cannot rival the heir to the Uchiha clan, blessed with the pinnacle of shinobi bloodlines of the sharingan. Naruto-kun simply is not gifted with that talent.
A ninja's ability comes from wheter or not they are able to master all jutsu that exists in the entire world. Ninja... as its title suggest, indicates those who are capable of using nin-jutsu.
Jiraiya: After all these years your eyes are still clouded. A shinobi's talent is nothing of the sort. A ninja is... Those shinobi that can endure.
Orochimaru: Ah perhaps a conflict in interpretation.
Jiraiya: Let me teach you one thing... The true quality of the shinobi is not in the number of jutsu or amount of talent he posses... What important is... The determination to never give up...
Narrator: As Jiraiya expected, this is Naruto's talent!! The student who never discouraged!!

Naruto is never meant to be like a Uchiha (many jutsu and a lot of talent), this talk proofs to me that Naruto will never be like that. Don't get me wrong, Naruto will show some awesome things in the future, but it will never be on a Uchiha level.
Naruto will show that he can be on the same level of an Uchiha, without the talent and jutsu. (Well he probably has 1 justu that is the greatest jutsu in the Naruto world.)

But I think a lot of people will be disapointed by this, they don't seem to like it that Naruto is strong because of his personality, they want to see skills and impressive jutsu.
But that would ruin (in my opinion) the character of Naruto and who he is, and where he stands for. He should of course show improvement and be better through the story, but it shouldn't be like Sasuke.

It is true that Kishimoto isn't really showing much of this. I wonder why he is holding back Naruto.
Naruto still doesn't had a decent fight in part 2 with his own skills, it was always Kyuubi or a quick battle.


@Lynxie


another thing.. sasuke defeated orochi, while naruto couldn't kill him in his 4 tailed form.

there maybe links to naruto, sasuke and the akatsuki.. but the development of the story of naruto, which is the hero. isn't developing much like sasuke and akatsuki..



Sasuke said Orochimaru was in a weak state, we don't know how he would do when Oro would be in a better state, like how he was at the beginning of the fight with mini-kyuubi.
And I believe Orochimaru's fight with mini-kyuubi is an important reason why Orochimaru was so weak.

And it is true that Naruto devolpment is almost standing still. I guess Kishimoto is planning something big for him, or not...

But for me Naruto is already strong enough, as long as he believes in himself...
But I am a little afraid that Kishimoto is going to break his character and make him into an Uchiha like boy. I really hope he keeps Naruto as he is.

[Decorus]

Hmm did Naruto get better learning his new technique?

Lets see taking the ultimate expression of shape manipulation and combining it with the ultimate expression of Elemental Manipulation to form a single jutsu. I'm sure there are dozens of Ninja that can do that...

Oh wait it took Naruto the equivalent of 40 years to get the jutsu to its half way mark and oh yeah There is not a single living soul who has done this besides Naruto. The last two people who attempted it failed.

I'm sure he didn't improve at all from that experience since its so easy to do right?

Oh thats right its so far beyond an S class jutsu that Kakashi labeled attempting to do it as impossible.

So yeah Naruto hasn't grown at all in any way shape or form except to half way complete a jutsu that is categorized as an impossible jutsu. Its not like he increased his chakra by 50% or anything (He could only do two while training and suddenly now he can perform 3 in a row) Its not like he has gained perfect command over his Kage Bunshin. Yeah I'm sure that the ability to maintain the proper Shape, perfect chakra output and maximize the elemental Nature manipulation each task being done by a different Naruto does not require them to act perfectly in synch with each other at all or the jutsu explodes uncontrollably. (As shown in the Manga) Then of course once he gets rid of his clones I'm fairly certain anyone can keep it going solo long enough to use the jutsu.

Nope no growth Naruto only got a new Jutsu. Sometimes I wonder just how much people actually read the manga and then understand the implications oh wait thats right it would require I don't know dare I say it?

Naw not worth the time after all if they can't understand it to begin with I doubt spelling it out will help.

[Lynxie]

Hmm did Naruto get better learning his new technique?

Lets see taking the ultimate expression of shape manipulation and combining it with the ultimate expression of Elemental Manipulation to form a single jutsu. I'm sure there are dozens of Ninja that can do that...

Oh wait it took Naruto the equivalent of 40 years to get the jutsu to its half way mark and oh yeah There is not a single living soul who has done this besides Naruto. The last two people who attempted it failed.

I'm sure he didn't improve at all from that experience since its so easy to do right?

Oh thats right its so far beyond an S class jutsu that Kakashi labeled attempting to do it as impossible.

So yeah Naruto hasn't grown at all in any way shape or form except to half way complete a jutsu that is categorized as an impossible jutsu. Its not like he increased his chakra by 50% or anything (He could only do two while training and suddenly now he can perform 3 in a row) Its not like he has gained perfect command over his Kage Bunshin. Yeah I'm sure that the ability to maintain the proper Shape, perfect chakra output and maximize the elemental Nature manipulation each task being done by a different Naruto does not require them to act perfectly in synch with each other at all or the jutsu explodes uncontrollably. (As shown in the Manga) Then of course once he gets rid of his clones I'm fairly certain anyone can keep it going solo long enough to use the jutsu.

Nope no growth Naruto only got a new Jutsu. Sometimes I wonder just how much people actually read the manga and then understand the implications oh wait thats right it would require I don't know dare I say it?

Naw not worth the time after all if they can't understand it to begin with I doubt spelling it out will help.

You are right about that.
But I wonder if people understand that, I have the feeling people find that whole part, PnJ.

People should have a little more faith in Kishimoto.

[Diablos]

lol.. by saying many you make it seem they really are many, man wake up only 2 were alive and a third ( that had already been refered ) is discovered, so get over it, naruto is naab and not getting more power he is only fox based so.

[blackdragon]

yeah that right. maybe some uchiha shouldnt play so important roles. the manga called narto like some of you said.but im sure there wont appear more uchihas im sure.
sharingan is a very strong jutsu. but what about the hyuuga clan... some akatsuki should have byakuugans

[EyesomeR]

they say the sharingan clan descended from the hyuuga clan....yet it seems like the sharingan trumps the byakugan in almost every aspect i can think of.
were the two clans to be ranked i would put the uchiha way higher, so how could it really have been an offshoot clan? and what part does madara play in this whole mess called uchiha

[bellisimo]

I'm quite happy with all the Uchihas in this story. More please:)!

[marte1980]

they say the sharingan clan descended from the hyuuga clan....yet it seems like the sharingan trumps the byakugan in almost every aspect i can think of.
were the two clans to be ranked i would put the uchiha way higher, so how could it really have been an offshoot clan? and what part does madara play in this whole mess called uchiha
The most interesting theory about this is that of the Sojobo.It has been around now for at least 1 year and maybe even more.The Uchiha would be a family born from a female of the Hyuuga clan and the Sojobo(the king of tengu,a konoha tengu,a demon).From their union born Madara,and the Sojobo then called him Uchiha,from Uchiwa(fan) that is a common trait of konoha tengus.
This story is pretty long,but you can find a lot about it in the internet,even though the best post I've found this far is in italian,so I think it's pretty much useless for this forum.

[EyesomeR]

i read it on naruto fan, long time now,

whoever made it had LOTS!!!! of free time, i thought i was gonna get a family tree too
but it is well thought out, dunno if kishi will go that way if he explains the uchiha clan and madara, but these days he seems to listen to obsessed fan girls and boys (ie superpowering sasuke) so we'll see what happens

[silvermane]

I think the storyline is going to change... all this might be leading to something else.... like a twist in the tale.... maybe kishi is just holding out on some bit in the story thats going to twist it around.
[hr]
And I do think sasuke is the coolest character in the series.... after kakashi, jiraiya and yondaime... :D

[ttxdragon]

please keep it on topic and put arguments about each side into this, and NOT just theories about stuff that can be found, read, explained and digested elsewhere... that's why we are a forum....
we have threads and topics for (nearly) verything that concerns this series...


please stay on topic





ps. wishing characters to die simply because you feel like it is off topic spam.
as well as saying that some char should 'pwn' all others. please do NOT make those comments here. thanks.

[aimaimaim]

its getting out of topic..

you say sasuke is cool.. but this is "naruto". this ain't "sasuke"...

by saying "so.. many.. uchiha", i mean that ALMOST, if not ALL, of the story is the Uchihas and not about naruto in the manga "naruto".

Uchiha has a "past", "present", and a "future" uchiha "thing" in it..

we only know that naruto has the kyuubi as "present" and will be hokage" in the future.

and we can't even compare the details about the uchiha clan to any clan in the manga "naruto".

and that Theory in naruto-fan is just a theory.. and i think he made it because he was just bored.

and i am starting to dislike the fan-service on naruto. this was suppose to be a great story specially in part 1... but having more story about "uchiha" than our hero Naruto just changed it... curse you fan-service!

just my two cents..

[matrice]

I would like to se more details about Naruto: some flashbacks, some secrets about how he became a jinchuriki, some background-stories about the relationship with the Fourth... maybe the author will give us something like that when he will learn how to proper utilize the power of his demon. Ther are a lot of possibilities, the author must give us another chit chat with the nine-tails: the only two-three times that they have talk we have had very interesting news (Uchia Madara's name, Naruto being similar to the 4° hokage, the fact that without Naruto the fox can not live,...). After all Naruto and the nine tails have to work together, because the death of one is the death on the other. The nine tails seeems to know a lot of things about the past and it would be great if they reach a compromise: they are not the only ones, a lot of jinchuriki ultimately seemed to know how to control their demons (the one of the two undead people and the one of Kisame). Maybe the fox can teach Naruto some cool tecniques that she observed in the past or something like that...

[marte1980]

Maybe the fox can teach Naruto some cool tecniques that she observed in the past or something like that...
The Kyuubi is not a female!He's a male fox!

[silvermane]

yep they should either have more naruto in the story... or
rename the manga to sharingan chronicles... :P
[hr]
i'm bored with sharingan... wish they focus on something else for a change...
maybe with the hyuugas... or even better....
yondaime...
or naruto's growth.....
its been 120 chapters since shippuden started... we still ahve seen 2 new jutsus from naruto....
is that all he learnt in the timeskip?

[SOCKSnTHONGS]

don't really mind all the uchiha dominance as i think that it will set naruto up for a new techinique or finding a weakness in the sharingan which will be a huge twist

in actuality having so many sharingan users kinda makes it more interesting

[silvermane]

it was gettign a little too uchiha ... but its focusing back on naruto again now. :D

[garaa89]

this was asked for the one piece manga so i tought that i should ask it for the naruto universe.


Added poll for discussion. Now vote! :yelling

[UnaRes]

I think it's really just the Itachi/Sasuke fight that's getting boring. I guess that in turn makes the manga boring as well. It looks like we won't have a resolution until NEXT week. It's been week after week of the "Feature Jutsu of the Chapter," though I did rather enjoy the Madara flashback and the explanation that was given through that.

I really wish Kishi would just wrap it up already and get back to Leaf vs. Tobi, the frogs going back to tell Tsunade what happened, or even Kisame vs. Suigetsu. ANYTHING but more of the Uchiha fight. I'd rather watch Naruto scarf bowl after bowl of ramen. I can only imagine how boring this fight is going to be in the anime, the way it gets spaced out...

[rykarreolacr]

Naruto may have lost something over time, but is still far from being boring.
The current saga is probably the best so far in Shippuuden in my opinion.

[TheBlackLotus]

At the moment, no. It's very interesting. Not to the point I'm constantly and eagerly waiting for the next chapter like some previous chapters in Naruto, but I wouldn't say it's boring. The fight has gotten slightly better, and now that it's concluding it's getting to that point where you can't wait for what's next, though I'm guessing the next fight in this arc won't be as interesting as the last few have been.

[Rahan]

Yes. It was going downhill since the beginning of Pt2. (there isn't a single arc of Pt2 I would rate higher than the worse of Pt1) and the last year has been truly awful.

The plot is just awful. The questions were already there in Pt1 (Akatsuki, Naruto's identity, Uchiha massacre), but there hasn't been a single answer that satisfied me. (Pein's goal is pathetic, Madara's is a joke, Itachi's is ridiculous, the question about Naruto's identity has been dealt in the least climatic way since it was dealt in a way that didn't involve Naruto) and all the characters became totally unidimensional. the shallow Sakura is now the least superficial character. What a joke.

[Coup]

Not at all. It just has its dull/irritating moments and is aggravated by several plot no jutsu's.

[segua]

I think that after the Jiraiya v Pein, the manga has kinda subsided but not much. The current fight is quite interesting.

[kazuma_uzumaki]

somewhat. If you ask me, it's getting to be a tad bit like bleach

More fight,details, Less plot

and plot hole no jutsu

the only part i didnt like about part 2 was everything after the rescure gaara saga

spent way too much time one a single character


kishi is almost doing the same thing he did with shikamaru,

[ShadowStrike]

yawn

kishi draws well but his plot is weak

[Oblivion]

whatever the flaws of this mangas are, it surely isnt boring.

there is still much to be expected and the whole fight right now, each chapter was amazing.

i think after a boring while naruto has risen again to a new high point.

[Sesshoustar]

I don't think it's boring. It has become really serious, though. I remember in the pre-Sasuke-escaping part, I used to laugh when I watch the anime. It seems to be more lighthearted then.

[ryusuke_]

Nah, it's just that lately two fights are grabbing all the attention. It will get better once the current fight ends and there's more variety of characters in every chapter.

[mars0103]

yes and no these plots are good but the long over the top battles are to much with hardly any story to them. The only expetion to the is the naruto kakuke battle

[AxelCross]

I voted "yes", but it's a bit more complicated for me than a simple yes, so I'll explain. I'm not exactly getting bored with Naruto, the series itself, but more of how Kishimoto is developing the plot as of now. Instead of what most mangaka do when developing story structures and balance it out between multiple characters, even if a certain arc is focusing on one character specifically, Kishimoto takes it to the extreme. He literally focuses on one group or one character specifically for an extended amount of time. This, after a period of time, becomes very, very boring. So, yes, I am bored with Naruto right now, but if Kishimoto were to flash a bit of Naruto and co. with Tobi every few pages, or show what's going on with Kisame and Hebi, it would so much more entertaining and I probably would still be very much intrigued.

So I'm more bored with Kishimoto than Naruto itself, but they're a bit of the same thing I suppose. I'm simply waiting for this Uchiha fest to be done with. I mean, last year when he was first introducing Hebi and Sasuke's development and trials and all that, it was great, I loved it. But now it's a bit annoying. I'm not foolish enough to whine and moan about the series focusing TOO much on Sasuke, because he needs developing, but balance is the key, and right now it's a bit unbalanced. Still, I can stand it, I just won't be as enthusiastic with the series until there's a common ground found among the development of Sasuke.

[lazyboyrod]

I voted "No" the manga Naruto is at a very exciting point right now and I think it is far from boring.

However the character Naruto himself has become quite boring, besides learning the Fuuton Rasangan Shuriken he hasent really shown us anything great like other characters such as Sasuke, Pein, Itachi, and Jiraiya.

[NeC01]

boring? naruto? never

at the moment there are alot of questens open:
code from jiraya!
the fight with tobi(madara) and itachi

and also how have itachi awaken MS? (killed he shisui (of the mirage))
or ist the story "you must kill your best friend to awaken the ms" only a fake!

ist time to know more about the story about each character

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

naruto isnt getting boring, just more complex

[Marq]

I voted "yes", but it's a bit more complicated for me than a simple yes, so I'll explain. I'm not exactly getting bored with Naruto, the series itself, but more of how Kishimoto is developing the plot as of now. Instead of what most mangaka do when developing story structures and balance it out between multiple characters, even if a certain arc is focusing on one character specifically, Kishimoto takes it to the extreme. He literally focuses on one group or one character specifically for an extended amount of time. This, after a period of time, becomes very, very boring. So, yes, I am bored with Naruto right now, but if Kishimoto were to flash a bit of Naruto and co. with Tobi every few pages, or show what's going on with Kisame and Hebi, it would so much more entertaining and I probably would still be very much intrigued.

So I'm more bored with Kishimoto than Naruto itself, but they're a bit of the same thing I suppose. I'm simply waiting for this Uchiha fest to be done with. I mean, last year when he was first introducing Hebi and Sasuke's development and trials and all that, it was great, I loved it. But now it's a bit annoying. I'm not foolish enough to whine and moan about the series focusing TOO much on Sasuke, because he needs developing, but balance is the key, and right now it's a bit unbalanced. Still, I can stand it, I just won't be as enthusiastic with the series until there's a common ground found among the development of Sasuke.

Pretty much the same feeling, the fact that Kishi just focuses on one part of the fight, just bores the hell out of me. It has been a recurring theme over and over in part 2.

[lazyboyrod]

I think Kishi is trying to compete with BLEACH, with is also at an important non-boring part in its story, so Kishi has no choice but to make Naruto interesting

[Jammin]

I voted "no". I'm still enjoying Naruto quite a bit. Part 2 has been even better than part 1 for my tastes. The battles seem to keep getting better and their is never any shortage of surprises.:D

These all Sasuke chapters are getting more than a little tedious though. These past two months made me realize just how much better a main character Naruto is. It's been some of the biggest battles and most pivotal scenes for Sasuke and yet i still just don't care at all. As excellent as Sasuke has become at fighting, he still completely sucks at being entertaining. At least in my opinion.:)

[weixiaobao]

well, what's can i said.. naruto is moving from a ninja story to super duper monster human fight.. some of the new ideas from part two is great.. but if kishimoto could just keep the level a bit more human then i would enjoy this more..

[ryan_ibrani]

i bet naruto is the most downloaded manga in the history of manga itself
with the internet age reaching more and more people, the basic idea of manga (no copyright) allow it to reach many many more audiences and new reader every day.

are u familiar with the soccer magazine = when Saturday comes?
in Manga, it should be 'when Friday comes'

[alchemy1234]

As long as Sasukes there it won't get boring.

[Windmillblade]

i think the manga is great the anime does not do the manga justice. who ever is making these anime episodes is dulling the process and advance in storyline with flashbacks and now it seems to be getting out of hand and it started with the naruto vs saske fight at the valley of end.

[lazyboyrod]

I've had experience watching/reading a number of action anime/manga like DBZ, Yuyu Hakusho, Bleach ,Naruto, etc..
And my point is... like Naruto all of them start off good. In Naruto the hand to hand combat and use of ninja weapons, for DBZ high speed hand to hand fights and stuff, but sooner or later they all start using big energy attacks: Kamehameha, Rasengan, Getsuga Tenshou and so on and they stop fighting hand to hand, (kunai to kunai). I hate when that happens, what do you think?

[Scias]

You've got the wrong idea.
Naruto never is this DBZ like. You can maybe make this statement for Bleach since there it really is often about throwing things at each other.

Naruto has a more planed out fighting system.
Beside all this stuff that you think of being too much of an "big energy attack" probably counts only as Ninjutsu but Taijutsu (hand to hand / weapon) is also very important. We have characters (e.g. Lee, Gai, Neji, Choji, Tenten) that are specialists in hand to hand or weapon-based combats. The next thing, the Genjutsu, was also a big thing in many fights and also one of the main parts of the last few chapters. In the Itachi vs Sasuke fight there also was shown Taijutsu action ;)

So for me it's all well balanced even if it would be cool to let Team Gai show up some more.

But I think you could have gotten mixed up:
The real real real well acknowledged and respected Jutsus in Naruto so far were not just damaging ninjutsu attacks. The jutsus that are hardest to make often are special sealing jutsus, great summonings or useful healing techniques.

[Rahan]

Chidori was introduced in the first 20 chapters and it should be as bad as the Rasengan according to you. Sasuke also did a Katon very early in the test bell.

The reason I like Naruto was all the characters fighting style were highly individualized but still coherent in a bigger system (well, until the cops clan became the gods clan) and the "energy balls" are part of this system. It's not like in One Piece or in Bleach where the powers of the characters seem totally random.

There are plenty of reasons why I like less Naruto than before (I rant on how the manga sucks every week here), but the "energy ball" are not among them. However, I still enjoy less the fights than before because it feels like every fight last longer than the one just before and I usually lose interest in them after 3 or 4 chapters.

[Jammin]

I don't agree at all.

A lot of people seem to be bothered when the characters in an anime or manga achieve a godly level of power. I really don't share that sentiment. The battles in Naruto have always been, and will always be, about the different abilities of each ninja clashing more than what level of power they are at. As long as that remains the same, the scale of the battle really doesn't matter at all.

The battles in Naruto have become longer, more intricate, more destructive, and more pivotal for the entire world in which Naruto lives. And i don't see any of that as a bad thing.

[phatspy]

I don't agree at all.

A lot of people seem to be bothered when the characters in an anime or manga achieve a godly level of power. I really don't share that sentiment. The battles in Naruto have always been, and will always be, about the different abilities of each ninja clashing more than what level of power they are at. As long as that remains the same, the scale of the battle really doesn't matter at all.

The battles in Naruto have become longer, more intricate, more destructive, and more pivotal for the entire world in which Naruto lives. And i don't see any of that as a bad thing.

he has a point but even in DBZ i'm not sure you can completely say that well jsut as the entire dragon ball series continued i mean meh

i don't agree for naruto but i do agree for bleach beacause look at that last big fight kenpachi used two hands and it was done if that's not an example of what your talking about then i have no idea about what your trying to prove

[Decorus]

DBZ had an issue with creative control IE, the Author wanted to whack Goku and replace him with Gohan, but well as you can read Goku was really hard to get rid of.

[gfire2]

yes there is a decline in quality (or quantity :P)

from 20 pages -> 17 pages -> 16 pages

wtf is that

[khar2]

man i get you i noticed too, i personally get annoyed with that few pages 15 pages, what is 15 pages i read it in a minute man i am really disappointed with number of pages...

[lagif]

I think manga had became... should I say more grown-up? ;) Along with characters and, maybe, along with mangaka himself.
I reread it several times from the beginning and haven't noticed neither pictures nor content quality worsening.

[samsiufan]

I still look forward to the release of new chapters on Naruto..so I don't think it is getting boring...I think Kishi could have done better in structuring some of the revelations. I was glad to finally hear Minato was Naruto's dad (as amany suspected) but it was revealed in a passing manner and i exepected more....oh well

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

I dont think its getting boring, there are many things left for Kishi to draw and maybe make somethings up and reveal more characters. :) BUT the anime version of Shippuden is getting tooooo slow and longg..lol

[The Boff]

is naruto getting boring?
a big fat fucking YES to that.

what happened to the character i used to love? why is a sharingan-user automaticly better than everyone in the world at everything? what happened to narutos way of the ninja? why isnt it now called "Sasuke and the amazing sharingan"?

and i can continue for a while with questions like that but i wont.

[lazyboyrod]

As long as Sasukes there it won't get boring.

Naruto is at a very climactic point right now, but I could give two shits about Sasuke.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

I just want to see Naruto use toads and wind based jutsus!! lol
He would look soooooo badass if he was in action doing all of this..XD

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

naruto is just getting too DBZ'ish

[mestizo311]

I voted YES. The story is, plain and simply, getting out of hand. We are well into the second part of Naruto and we still haven't seen anything from our hero except his usually loud self. If Naruto's fighting ability was based on empty threats, he would own everyone in the Narutoverse. As it was said before, there is no balance among the storylines. The whole Uchiha fight was rather disapointing for me. I was suprised that Itachi, the coolest villian in Naruto, died. And even more suprised that eight Konoha ninja's are still dealing with Tobi. There are a ton of other things that bother me about the manga but I'm trying to keep faith that hopefully in the next 10-15 chapters, things will start to smooth out.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

I voted YES. The story is, plain and simply, getting out of hand. We are well into the second part of Naruto and we still haven't seen anything from our hero except his usually loud self. If Naruto's fighting ability was based on empty threats, he would own everyone in the Narutoverse. As it was said before, there is no balance among the storylines. The whole Uchiha fight was rather disapointing for me. I was suprised that Itachi, the coolest villian in Naruto, died. And even more suprised that eight Konoha ninja's are still dealing with Tobi. There are a ton of other things that bother me about the manga but I'm trying to keep faith that hopefully in the next 10-15 chapters, things will start to smooth out.

I think Kishi is just trying to have every character have their moments in the manga..:\ Its not like DBZ where all the sayains do the main fighting..XD

[Iwanin]

I voted "no", but it's a little more complicated than a simple "no."

I think, without realizing it, Kishi did something unwise in part 1: he created lots of interesting characters, too many to cover properly in a single manga series and still keep the focus on the core story.

Lee, Hinata, Ten-ten, Temari, Kankuro, Gaara, Shino, Kiba, Neji, Chouji, Ino, Sakura...everyone wants to see more of their "personal favorite," but like it's been pointed out here before, he spends a good deal of time on a single character at a time - which means the rest end up being ignored.

He also made some bad decisions, if you ask me. Instead of making Sasuke really embrace "the dark side", so to speak, he made him a watered down antagonist: he acts all tough like he couldn't care less for anyone, but takes care not to hit people's vital organs.

Oh, puh-lease. The guy went to Orochimaru's side - Orochimaru, a genocidal maniac who'd give Hitler a run for his money when it comes to disregard for human life.

Despite the fact, Kishi want's us to see Sasuke as "good," because he doesn't kill people *himself* (he's just benefitting from lethal human experiments like, you know, any decent guy would). To me, he just comes off as extremelly self-centered, like a spoiled brat - impossible to like.

And he has Naruto chasing this brat, with the idea that, for some reason, once Naruto beats the sh_t out of him, he'll "turn good proper." People don't normally come back to being your friend after you beat them up, but hey, this is manga.

It's like Naruto's love interest has gone from being Sakura to being Sasuke, and it bothers some of us, if for no other reason than the manga didn't *start off* as softcore yaoi.

Actually, in all seriousness, the fact that I can't sympathize with Naruto's desire to "reclaim" Sasuke makes the manga more difficult to enjoy. Escapist entertainment doesn't work as well if you can't empathize with the main character.

That said, the only point when I completely lost interest in the series was when Sasuke was fighting Deidara.

I was really happy with the Jiraiya-Pain fight, and save for the genjutsu episodes, I wasn't bored by the Sasuke-Itachi fight.

It's a testament to how well Kishi was done the positives of the manga, how interested he got us in the characters and their world that we continue to be interested in them, even as he does things with them we don't necessarily all agree with.

I mean, everyone who voted "yes" is still reading the manga, right? :p

(P.S. Just in case anyone who likes my (spoiler) translations is reading, I won't be translating for the next two weeks. Modem busted.)

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

I voted "no", but it's a little more complicated than a simple "no."

I think, without realizing it, Kishi did something unwise in part 1: he created lots of interesting characters, too many to cover properly in a single manga series and still keep the focus on the core story.

Lee, Hinata, Ten-ten, Temari, Kankuro, Gaara, Shino, Kiba, Neji, Chouji, Ino, Sakura...everyone wants to see more of their "personal favorite," but like it's been pointed out here before, he spends a good deal of time on a single character at a time - which means the rest end up being ignored.

He also made some bad decisions, if you ask me. Instead of making Sasuke really embrace "the dark side", so to speak, he made him a watered down antagonist: he acts all tough like he couldn't care less for anyone, but takes care not to hit people's vital organs.

Oh, puh-lease. The guy went to Orochimaru's side - Orochimaru, a genocidal maniac who'd give Hitler a run for his money when it comes to disregard for human life.

Despite the fact, Kishi want's us to see Sasuke as "good," because he doesn't kill people *himself* (he's just benefitting from lethal human experiments like, you know, any decent guy would). To me, he just comes off as extremelly self-centered, like a spoiled brat - impossible to like.

And he has Naruto chasing this brat, with the idea that, for some reason, once Naruto beats the sh_t out of him, he'll "turn good proper." People don't normally come back to being your friend after you beat them up, but hey, this is manga.

It's like Naruto's love interest has gone from being Sakura to being Sasuke, and it bothers some of us, if for no other reason than the manga didn't *start off* as softcore yaoi.

Actually, in all seriousness, the fact that I can't sympathize with Naruto's desire to "reclaim" Sasuke makes the manga more difficult to enjoy. Escapist entertainment doesn't work as well if you can't empathize with the main character.

That said, the only point when I completely lost interest in the series was when Sasuke was fighting Deidara.

I was really happy with the Jiraiya-Pain fight, and save for the genjutsu episodes, I wasn't bored by the Sasuke-Itachi fight.

It's a testament to how well Kishi was done the positives of the manga, how interested he got us in the characters and their world that we continue to be interested in them, even as he does things with them we don't necessarily all agree with.

I mean, everyone who voted "yes" is still reading the manga, right? :p

(P.S. Just in case anyone who likes my (spoiler) translations is reading, I won't be translating for the next two weeks. Modem busted.)

I dont think Gaara,Neji, Lee and Sakura have been ignored. Especially Gaara,he has had many battles and we have learnt a lot about he's past. I mean he's story was the first thing introduced in the beginning of Part 2.

I see you dont like Orochimaru then? lol I think he has been the best villain throughout the series, I mean, he is really evil :|. lol

But you are right about the sasuke/naruto thing. Its been ages and ages now..and still he hasnt found sasuke yet. The stroy is kinda starting to be less ninja style..:\ Especially with the Kakuzu part, I thought he had a different jutsu, but with all those masks and all those black lines coming out of he's back. WOAH! That art just didnt look good to me..

[ikuroi]

i voted No, mainly because the story lacks shocking plot twistes with new concepts, and it lacks proper character development. I don't like how everything turned out to be about the Uchiha clan in the end, the whole conspiracy. I don't like how he treats Naruto as a character, he is still kind of a looser who makes misstakes on a daily bases (I know, THAT'S Naruto, but come on... he should become alot better after 2,5 years with Jiraiya). Another thing that is a big disappointment, the pace every chapter goes at... wow, after every chapter i read. I'm like is this it? I got alot of "..." and "!". A good chapter involves lines.

[mestizo311]

i voted No, mainly because the story lacks shocking plot twistes with new concepts, and it lacks proper character development. I don't like how everything turned out to be about the Uchiha clan in the end, the whole conspiracy. I don't like how he treats Naruto as a character, he is still kind of a looser who makes misstakes on a daily bases (I know, THAT'S Naruto, but come on... he should become alot better after 2,5 years with Jiraiya). Another thing that is a big disappointment, the pace every chapter goes at... wow, after every chapter i read. I'm like is this it? I got alot of "..." and "!". A good chapter involves lines.

According to your explanation, you should have voted "YES". :)

[DangerousDave]

Personally I don’t think Naruto is getting boring. There’s enough each week to keep me wanting more. If I was to say anything negative about the manga at the moment it would have to be the length and focus of the battle scenes.

I’m probably one of the few people who actually enjoyed this Uchiha fight, I’ll concede that I wanted to see a bit more eye gouging action and my mate Itachi coming out on top, but overall I was satisfied with the outcome. My disappointment with this fight was the fact that there were two other fights taking place simultaneously with this one, yet our focus was solely with the Uchihas. Personally I would have preferred an occasional scene change to keep the Uchiha reunion fresh and a little less monotonous. But that’s just my opinion.

The length of the fighting has irritated me a bit as well. Mainly for the same reason that I wrote above, the monotonous focus of just a single battle. While these lengthy battle scenes are taking place there are still plenty of unanswered questions that I wouldn’t mind seeing resolved. But at the same time I understand that these battles are taking place between key characters of the story line and are therefore crucial elements necessary to move the story forward. Kishimotto’s writing style has kept me interested in the Naruto for this long and it sure as hell isn’t disappointing me now.

I guess the growing list of unanswered questions is enough to turn some readers away from the manga, but for me the potential resolution of these questions is enough to keep me going. I’m looking forward to seeing why Itachi suddenly collapsed of aids and with his final moments of consciousness/life decided to spread it to his brother. I want know the whole deal with where Madara’s power level sits now, and if he learned his instant transmission technique on the same planet Goku did. And what’s up with Aloe man, does eating corpses really mess your brain up that much, and why is the brain damage only on one half? These are just some of the questions that are keeping me interested in Naruto right now.

P.S. I’m sorry if you read this post, but I’m not responsible for any trauma or unforeseen damages you may have received from reading my post, it’s your own fault for reading it. :p

Oh yeah, I voted 'No' by the way.

[GaaraoftheDesert77]

As long as Sasukes there it won't get boring.

ya ok sasuke loser

[jodi]

i don't think it is boring
not even close
but Kishi should stop with Sasuke and Naruto for a bit and use the other teams too...
gaara rescue and shika's fight are still the best for sure

IMHO Sasori is still the best, coolest akatsuki i've seen

[kat_at_heart]

i voted yes it is getting boring but i know in a few weeks after the after math of jmans death and itachis death it will get a lot more intresting again and we will find alot more about other characters

[yoniekai]

hell yeah it is getting boring as $%#$%

that's cos i love the first part so much i keep expecting the 2nd to be much better. which it isn't.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

I wonder why people still read the manga if they think its boring. :\ It doesnt make sense

[The Boff]

I wonder why people still read the manga if they think its boring. :\ It doesnt make sense


because we loved it in the beginning and we're really REALLY hoping that it goes back to its roots and becomes great once again.
so it does make sense.
and ive read 395 friggin chapters of the thing then im damn well gonna continue till the end even if it lost its grace.

[Franckie]

I mainly read Naruto for the fights, and several of the major Part II fights have been interesting, hence why I voted "No". I hold a special interest in future fights such as Naruto vs Pein, Suigetsu vs Kisame, and Naruto vs Kabuto.

Still, I am very disappointed with how the plot has progressed. I'm bored with the Uchiha plotline, I'm bored with the new Uchiha power of the week, and I'm bored of Kishimoto Masashi making main character 2 (Sasuke) more important than main character 1 (Naruto). The Akatsuki plotline was good because it had little to do with Uchihas/Konoha. Now we will have to endure more new powers Kishi pulls out of that magical hat he wears in addition to enduring more "What have you done to Sasuke-dattebayo?!" rhetoric until the very end of the manga.

[garaa89]

what we need is a chapter that has a major plot twist the biggest in manga history. after that because the story is kind of getting predictable.

[Sarmad]

Problems with Naruto, the manga:

ONE

It seems as though the Narutoverse consists only of Forest and more Forest! A change of places can change everything! (Like in the fight between Jiraiya and Pain. The industrial surrounding were awesome and the fight seemed much cooler just because of it!
It's always cool to see new places and sceneries! It's as if you're exploring and that's certainly what's lacking right now! But that's just part of problem i think Naruto has!

TWO

It seems as though Kishimoto is trying to get rid of unfinished storylines by presenting them as simplestricked as possible, if you get what i mean. It's as if he hadn't put much thought into it at all and is now trying get it over with as fast as possible. Take for example the "deus ex machina", which are quite a few and the doubtful behaviour of some ninjas in fights! And not to mention the dialogue, which is lately just mediocre or worse!
The Reason for this are not the many characters that were introduced during the story! Many claim this to be the reason why Kishimoto is making such terrible plot progression (NONSENSE!). It is rather the inability to tell a part of a story at the right time and to USE a character at the right time + the lack of creativity.
Kishimoto has the FREEDOM to create and destroy as he wills it, but i guess he is too concerned to please the audience, who also have high expectations, since he hyped up the recent events and developments himself.
He would otherwise easily pull off a story structure with which he could involve every character in a LOGIC way.
Heck, if i were him and couldn't involve some characters in the story i would Kill them off just to create some chaos and let the other characters wreak havoc all arround. Like he did with Asuma and probably with Jiraiya too!
It works! .. well you can't do it all the time, cause you gotta show something new, but it's a way to do things and an authentic one at the same time!
and this brings me to ...

THREE

I think, when he and we get past those unfinished stories, that he'll reveal the whole Narutoverse [ALL the other countries] and that he will finally tell a good story in a fitting manner!
These recent events are probably those parts of the story that he needed to get rid of in order to get to the story he wanted to tell, the grand scheme. [The big War? World War?] I truly believe that we will see a "Part 3" that'll create the same euphoria as "Part 1" did!

Until then, we gotta endure the torture called "Part 2"

[DMNKLOL]

is naruto getting boring?
a big fat fucking YES to that.

what happened to the character i used to love? why is a sharingan-user automaticly better than everyone in the world at everything? what happened to narutos way of the ninja? why isnt it now called "Sasuke and the amazing sharingan"?

and i can continue for a while with questions like that but i wont.
and a big fat motherfucking DITTO to that

[Raizen]

Seriously, naruto has become so redundant with the "uchihas are the best", sharingan power", "I want sasgay". We need some real development and more movement in the story itself.

I want to see some action that isn't completely BS. The author needs to bring back the chars that made the story interesting like shika, neji, lee, and the sand ninjas. Also naruto needs to forget about his search for sasuke bc this is getting boring as HELL.

That is why I vote yes. Right now bleach is just blowing away naruto!!!!

[DMNKLOL]

sasuke needs to die and so does the other uchiha.. and any unknown uchihas for real.
It'd be awuhsum

[weixiaobao]

and a big fat motherfucking DITTO to that

guys .. don't flame each other now...

[DMNKLOL]

guys .. don't flame each other now...
yo I was agreeing with him, only guys i'm flaming are Uchihas.
All of you Uchiha bastards out there(Tobi, Sasuke), rot in in the black flames you may emit from your eyes in the dark desolations of HELL

[weixiaobao]

yo I was agreeing with him, only guys i'm flaming are Uchihas.
All of you Uchiha bastards out there(Tobi, Sasuke), rot in in the black flames you may emit from your eyes in the dark desolations of HELL

sorry, my bad.. XD ... i misunderstood what ditto meant..
though, since the beginning part 1, kishimoto already imply that they are important.. (in the flash back of sasuke's childhood.. the uchiha are support to be one of the main pillar to konoha and stuff) ..

Though i am even more annoyed that naruto now is like, in love with sasuke or something and forgot his goal to become hokage..

[DMNKLOL]

sorry, my bad.. XD ... i misunderstood what ditto meant..
though, since the beginning part 1, kishimoto already imply that they are important.. (in the flash back of sasuke's childhood.. the uchiha are support to be one of the main pillar to konoha and stuff) ..

Though i am even more annoyed that naruto now is like, in love with sasuke or something and forgot his goal to become hokage..
for real, he's so bitchmade now he's like "man if i can't save sasuke screw being hokage im going to cut myself alot and join a crack house"

[SkyValker]

All the mangas, they begin with characters having small power and then they go on to give the characters high power, so when they have high power, hand to hand combat decreases in its frequency, since the taijutsu techniques seem less lethal than the ninjutsu techniques(Lee opened the 5 gates and still couldnt beat gaara in the very first chapters of the manga)
In DBZ, every character became so strong nearing the end, that they could have blown off the planet with every move, so it got really boring, they start off with power levels like 1000 seeming so high, and then just by the end of saga 2, power level of over 10 millions is a norm. I mean, what the heck! If the change was a little slower, then we may not have had so much to complain.

[MegaX]

Though i am even more annoyed that naruto now is like, in love with sasuke or something and forgot his goal to become hokage..

That's already come up, actually.

Chapter 307, pg 15-16.

Sasuke: ...Come to think of it, isn't becoming Hokage one of your dreams? If you have the time to chase me around, you would have been better off training... don't you think... Naruto?

Sakura: ... S... Sasuke-kun...!

Sasuke: And that's why this time...... you're going to end up losing your life, all at a whim of mine.

Naruto: ... Like there's any chance someone, who can't save a friend, could become Hokage, don't you think... Sasuke.

Personally I prefer the way the Dattebayo subs for the latest episode have it.

Sasuke: Come to think of it, wasn't your dream to become Hokage? You should've spent your time training instead of wasting it running after me. Right, Naruto?

Sakura: S-sasuke-kun?

Sasuke: And this time, I'm going to kill you on a whim.

Naruto: Someone who can't save even one friend isn't fit to become Hokage. Right, Sasuke?

So there's an element of both Naruto caring about Sasuke as well as the belief that if he can't even protect his first and most important bond, then he is in no way fit to protect an entire village.

[weixiaobao]

though... Naruto's purpose of becoming hokage at first so that people will recognize him and "kiss his ass"... there was nothing about protecting anyone at first.. I miss Part 1 already T_T

[kkck]

Naruto(the character) does seem boring, but thats because he hasnt got any attention in like 30 chapters, we have barely seem him. Although in the few chapter we have seem him lately he seems a little diferent, he in my opinion, isnt acting as rashly and stupidly as he used to, he somehow seems more calm and collected.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

i have to say i agree with you. naruto fights are just bunch of ninjutsu now. there is barely any more taijutsu or weoponary fights. kishi need to show more of rock lee. also i would like to see naruto fight with a sword(i think all ninja should have a sword) but i doubt that is ever going to happen

[lazyboyrod]

Naruto(the character) does seem boring, but thats because he hasnt got any attention in like 30 chapters, we have barely seem him. Although in the few chapter we have seem him lately he seems a little diferent, he in my opinion, isnt acting as rashly and stupidly as he used to, he somehow seems more calm and collected.

I agree, but at the same time that IS making him more boring than usual.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

I think its okay. Taijutsu is always being used in Naruto. Simple hand to hand fighting is Taijutsu. We have seen genjutsu as well..sharingan..etc. But now its time for Ninjutsu, maybe? if it was kunai vs kunai, then the character would not be strong and remain the same. But I do agree with some people about the quantity of the manga, only 15 or 16 pages? If it keeps going down, you wont even be able to make a volume :|

[Darrenj]

You've got the wrong idea.
Naruto never is this DBZ like. You can maybe make this statement for Bleach since there it really is often about throwing things at each other.

Naruto has a more planed out fighting system.
Beside all this stuff that you think of being too much of an "big energy attack" probably counts only as Ninjutsu but Taijutsu (hand to hand / weapon) is also very important. We have characters (e.g. Lee, Gai, Neji, Choji, Tenten) that are specialists in hand to hand or weapon-based combats. The next thing, the Genjutsu, was also a big thing in many fights and also one of the main parts of the last few chapters. In the Itachi vs Sasuke fight there also was shown Taijutsu action ;)

So for me it's all well balanced even if it would be cool to let Team Gai show up some more.

But I think you could have gotten mixed up:
The real real real well acknowledged and respected Jutsus in Naruto so far were not just damaging ninjutsu attacks. The jutsus that are hardest to make often are special sealing jutsus, great summonings or useful healing techniques.

I swear you havnt seen dragonball orginal series or the orginal manga before it became Z in USA. Alot of the later "Z" warriors used weapons and had specail attacks like naruto.

[Black/Light]

I have to say yes. . . .it's getting boring.

This uberz Uchihas fight was soo very lame and took soo much time. And Lil Sas is being made to look like this uber ninja in the Naruto lands to all the other characters by all these fights when they don't know how the fights went down. (As in, they don't know that Sas is the king of DeM wins and not just going around pwning everyone)

J-man's fight was a shining point to these resent times but the "Sas wins because of some DeM event" is getting old and eats at any attention that could have gone to another character.

And Im really starting to get to the point where I can no longer relate to Naruto (the character) and his un-yelding want to get this d-bag back as a friend. "Someone who can't save even one friend isn't fit to become Hokage. Right, Sasuke?". . .well the 5th couldn't save Oro and nor could the 3rd so yeah. . . lesson is that some people are just d-bags.

Im really just waiting for the time to come when Naruto is told that J-man was killed by Pain/ that his dad is the 4th (if he doesn't already know)/ that he comes from the Whirlpool clan and maybe even seeing his mother if she is still alive.
. .And maybe even another (and final) time skip to leave this SHG BS behind and start things anew, after Naruto has gotten to kage level (Mnt Toad Training) and can fight Pain head on.

[ShadowStrike]

naruto gets really boring now

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

naruto gets really boring now

do you still read it? :p

[mestizo311]

For the storyline to get interesting again Naruto has to:

1) Forget about saving Sasuke. I mean who really gives a shit. The guy is a traitor and should burn in hell with Orochimaru.

2) Show that he learned something from Jiraiya.

3) Have at least a decent amount of jutsu's that don't run the risk of taking his life. It seems like every jutsu he uses has the possiblity of killing him. If that's the case then he should give up on his Hokage dream right now.

[lazyboyrod]

For the storyline to get interesting again Naruto has to:

1) Forget about saving Sasuke. I mean who really gives a shit. The guy is a traitor and should burn in hell with Orochimaru.

2) Show that he learned something from Jiraiya.

3) Have at least a decent amount of jutsu's that don't run the risk of taking his life. It seems like every jutsu he uses has the possiblity of killing him. If that's the case then he should give up on his Hokage dream right now.

I agree, especially with the Sasuke thing; He doesnt freakin want to go back to Konoha so how the hell are you guna get him there, even if Naruto did kick his ass d bring him back, what was he guna do keep him in a cage so he doesnt run off,
*lame* :notrust

[ShadowStrike]

YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

SO BORING!

We have seen more Sasuke than we have seen Naruto. More Uchihas than Uzumakis. LOL?

[weixiaobao]

I agree, especially with the Sasuke thing; He doesnt freakin want to go back to Konoha so how the hell are you guna get him there, even if Naruto did kick his ass d bring him back, what was he guna do keep him in a cage so he doesnt run off,
*lame* :notrust

Tobi seem to be interesting in sasuke so i guess naruto must first kick Tobi's @$$... *wonder if naruto perfect his summoning jutsu..*

[lazyboyrod]

Naruto has a more planed out fighting system.
Beside all this stuff that you think of being too much of an "big energy attack" probably counts only as Ninjutsu but Taijutsu (hand to hand / weapon) is also very important. We have characters (e.g. Lee, Gai, Neji, Choji, Tenten) that are specialists in hand to hand or weapon-based combats. The next thing, the Genjutsu, was also a big thing in many fights and also one of the main parts of the last few chapters. In the Itachi vs Sasuke fight there also was shown Taijutsu action ;)

So for me it's all well balanced even if it would be cool to let Team Gai show up some more.

But I think you could have gotten mixed up:
The real real real well acknowledged and respected Jutsus in Naruto so far were not just damaging ninjutsu attacks. The jutsus that are hardest to make often are special sealing jutsus, great summonings or useful healing techniques.

True we have ninjutsu and Taijutsu, thats what we want to see, and we do have characters like lee and neji, but when's the last time we've seen them, dont even get me started on tenten, she gets -.1% screen time lol,

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

Tobi seem to be interesting in sasuke so i guess naruto must first kick Tobi's @$$... *wonder if naruto perfect his summoning jutsu..*

If Naruto beat's Madara's ass then Sasuke would be more pissed off because he wants to beat all the uchihas himself, after all he is the avenger. >.<

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

True we have ninjutsu and Taijutsu, thats what we want to see, and we do have characters like lee and neji, but when's the last time we've seen them, dont even get me started on tenten, she gets -.1% screen time lol,

Yep. I want Lee and Neji, especially Neji to develop more. A Neji vs Sasuke fight would be awesome, sharingan vs byakugan.

[Fenrir]

:/ Hmm. I love how everybody dumps on dragonball when without it, ya wouldn't have naruto :P. Anyways...I agree with the first post...I miss seeing the times where a kunai actually did something damaging. My favourite arc has, and will always be the Haku/Zabuza Arc....not because there weren't any giant magical attacks, but because there was an even balance between the 3 types of jutsu you could use in the Naruto world.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

:/ Hmm. I love how everybody dumps on dragonball when without it, ya wouldn't have naruto :P. Anyways...I agree with the first post...I miss seeing the times where a kunai actually did something damaging. My favourite arc has, and will always be the Haku/Zabuza Arc....not because there weren't any giant magical attacks, but because there was an even balance between the 3 types of jutsu you could use in the Naruto world.

And it was a "ninja" related battle :)

[ShadowStrike]

perfect, we just need a little more sharingan and uchihas!

[ShadowStrike]

quality drops bcos the focuses is too much on the powers of the sharingan and any other character without it seems underdeveloped... even kakashi, if u remove his sharigan he's a goner... basically sharingan killed any creativity

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

quality drops bcos the focuses is too much on the powers of the sharingan and any other character without it seems underdeveloped... even kakashi, if u remove his sharigan he's a goner... basically sharingan killed any creativity

Obviously. You gotta have something in the manga, which is interesting. If there wasnt the Sharingan, these characters would be nothing. But there is the Sharingan, and the characters are developed. If Neji didnt have the Byakugan, he wouldnt be developed.

[ShadowStrike]

Obviously. You gotta have something in the manga, which is interesting. If there wasnt the Sharingan, these characters would be nothing. But there is the Sharingan, and the characters are developed. If Neji didnt have the Byakugan, he wouldnt be developed.

Please compare the developments of an Uchiha to a Hyuuga. Also, please compare the developments of the Sharingan to the Byakugan.

Let me list a few:

Uchiha:
Konoha Police Force
Co-founded Konoha
Big stars like Itachi and now Madara

Sharingan Powers: Genjutsu, copy techniques, see chakra to some extend, see quick movements, see through some genjutsu, control bijuu, use space time jutsus, teleport anything/anyone anywhere, flames like cyclops from the eyes, you can bet your life there's more......

Hyuuga:
Some loyal family, even though no real connection with Hokage

Byakugan: See chakra flow. See maybe 100km radius. What else again?

I don't Neji being developed becos of his eyes. I think he's developed only because he took on Naruto and has some jounin taijutsu stuff he uses with his eyes.

[khar2]

maybe hyuga are some boring family :)
maybe you know and more family that was masqueraded :)

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

Please compare the developments of an Uchiha to a Hyuuga. Also, please compare the developments of the Sharingan to the Byakugan.

Let me list a few:

Uchiha:
Konoha Police Force
Co-founded Konoha
Big stars like Itachi and now Madara

Sharingan Powers: Genjutsu, copy techniques, see chakra to some extend, see quick movements, see through some genjutsu, control bijuu, use space time jutsus, teleport anything/anyone anywhere, flames like cyclops from the eyes, you can bet your life there's more......

Hyuuga:
Some loyal family, even though no real connection with Hokage

Byakugan: See chakra flow. See maybe 100km radius. What else again?

I don't Neji being developed becos of his eyes. I think he's developed only because he took on Naruto and has some jounin taijutsu stuff he uses with his eyes.

As a metter of fact. In Part 1 Neji fought Hinata, Naruto and Kidomaru. He has had 3 major fights. You just hate the Uchihas and the Sharingan :p

[Konkun]

Too much about Uchihas.....I find them boring. But it is important to the storyline, tieing Kuybi and Sharingan. I perfer a back story on Yondaime, he needs more spot light.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

There should be more Gaidens. Like there was a Kakashi Gaiden, there should me more. Minato Gaiden. Jiraiya Gaiden. :)

[kkck]

I dont think that the story is getting boring, all the fights in this arc were awesome. Sasuke vs deidara, jiraiya vs pein, sasuke vs itachi, were all uber fights. Hopefully we will get to see hebi vs kisamen which should be awesome. Cant w8 to see how all this will at some point be centered around naruto, although when that happen people will start complaining about story being only about naruto and wanting other caracters to act as main caracters.

I agree, there should be a lot more gaidens like sannin gaiden, sandaime gaiden, shodai gaiden, pein gaiden (after jiraiya left), madara gaiden ect, minato gaiden, yamato gaiden. Yamato gaiden would be a little to much, but cant hurt.

[lazyboyrod]

I agree, there should be a lot more gaidens like sannin gaiden, sandaime gaiden, shodai gaiden, pein gaiden (after jiraiya left), madara gaiden ect, minato gaiden, yamato gaiden. Yamato gaiden would be a little to much, but cant hurt.

The more the merrier, cuz right now I just feel like there are too many pot-holes in the story and missing info. We need more Zetsu like characters to give us a lil history on everything lol.

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

I agree, there should be a lot more gaidens like sannin gaiden, sandaime gaiden, shodai gaiden, pein gaiden (after jiraiya left), madara gaiden ect, minato gaiden, yamato gaiden. Yamato gaiden would be a little to much, but cant hurt.

Yep. I toally agree with this.
Sannin Gaiden = Story revoles around Jiraiya,Oro and Tsunade. How they became the 3 sannins, battles, and we get to see the third hokage as well. And how Oro starts to become slowly evil xD.

Madara/Itachi Gaiden would be good. It could explain the events at the uchiha massacre, Madara trainign Itachi, itachi killing Shisui, etc.

Pein Gaiden would we wicked. I want to see more of him .

Shodai gaiden and Madara Gaiden would be good as well. See how each of their leadership skills are dealt, what the ninjas used to be like and the fight between them 2 and how Madara fled.

[Sarmad]

How about Sasuke Gaiden: "The day before the massacre happened - told in 30 chapters" or "sasuke childhood before the anihilation of the Uchiha - has he always been a good boy?"

[Jammin]

How about Sasuke Gaiden: "The day before the massacre happened - told in 30 chapters" or "sasuke childhood before the anihilation of the Uchiha - has he always been a good boy?":blink:s:darn That is what my own personal hell would be. An unending string of uchiha centric manga chapters stretching on into eternity.:(

[Sasuke_Kai_92]

:blink:s:darn That is what my own personal hell would be. An unending string of uchiha centric manga chapters stretching on into eternity.:(

If you think about it some parts are fun about the Uchihas.
As this is a cursed clan..so

[SereneSky]

Both the manga and the anime are going downhill. In the last few months, Kishimoto's storytelling has become quite sloppy, and some-what uninspired. The two most recent battles (Uchiha Itachi versus Uchiha Sasuke and Pein versus Jiraiya) had so much potential, especially the one with the two Uchiha brothers. These two battles should have been two of the greatest battles in the history of Naruto, and yet they weren't. At the very least, I expected them to be decent, but they were mediocre.
Ksihimoto seems to have forgotten how to pit 2 or more characters together in an 'intelligent' fight.

As for the anime, the arc that has just finished was already pretty boring to begin with in the manga. What made it even worse is all the filler content that was added, and how the poorly animated scenes were dragged out for as long as possible to fill in time.

[EvilGenious]

Naruto, like every other popular manga in the world, has its boring and its exciting parts. It's just a part of life. And what one person thinks is boring, another may think is truly exciting. Again, a part of life!

[SkyValker]

Naruto is not boring. Its just that after a span of time, too much of anything good also seems bad,...
And maybe the plot has become less surprising and more predictable

[Schabrak]

...and less attractive!!! to all the "Naruto" fans. It's just, that we did not see any progress in Narutos development in over year or even more. And even before it was centred on Shikamaru, a good sad part with Jiraiya and now Sasgay. The part with Tobi was not funny/good at all. In 3-4 chapters no dev. whatsoever, felt like a filler to me. As we knew beforehand, that they have no chance against Madara .
Juugo, Suigetsu, Karin, characters Kishi spend a quarter/half a year on, have no reason to live as they were there to help Sasuke get to Itachi and kill him, but all they did was spend some time sparring with Kisame. And we did not see that fight too.
Right now it is just boring as the Anime ever was.

[ShadowStrike]

Naruto, like every other popular manga in the world, has its boring and its exciting parts. It's just a part of life. And what one person thinks is boring, another may think is truly exciting. Again, a part of life!

lol

you made kishi's day =P

[IchigoSoul]

Well, in recent weeks, i have seen alot and i mean alot of complains about how slow the manga moves and how boring the whole story is... In other forums, some of the people are even worse, seem to hope for fights after fights after fights. How is that going to make a good story? I wouldnt go in-depth why flashbacks are nessarry. These flashbacks adds so much more development to the character. Continous flashbacks of itachi just shows how much he is missed by sasuke. Enough of that.

I believe quite a number of loyal naruto supporters has already said, Dont read if you have so much complains about it. I suggest another different way to appreciate Kishi's magic. Read 10 chapters at once everytime. So you wait 10 weeks before reading. This is a freaking manga! People fail to realise that in one comic, there is like 10+ chapters. Kishi plans it to flow in a single book, not to be released weekly.

The story seems slow but if you read it together, everything flows every well. Added with fact that everyone waits for one week, a chapter without action would fustrate anyone. To me, even if theres action, i would get bored but i know to look at a bigger picture. Kishi dont plan his manga for us weekly readers. So it might seem slow to us.

The purpose of this thread is not to start a flaming war but to let those who are complaining to see or use another way to reignite their love for naruto.

Discuss.

Merged threads.

[Forever_Melody]

If I had to have one complaint about the Naruto series, it would be the focus.

Kishi has opened a world of shinobis to us yet restricted himself to the leaf almost. We barely hear about Suna, let alone about Kirigakure or the other villages.

I was interested back in the Zabuza arc about different customs in each villages and was interested to see more of the differences between shinobis of each place.

That's why the Chunnin exam arc was interesting for me(even though Kishi ended up concentrating on the Konoha rookies and Gaara & co in the end).

Same reason I found Akatsuki interesting was because they were from different places.

Anyways, that's probably the only flaw I would note in the entire series. I know Kishi can't obviously expand everywhere since he has a story to uphold, but I would've liked a feeling of an immersion into a "universe" which is the world of shinobis, not just that of Konoha & co.

[khar2]

@Forever_Melody
same here, if you look and compare other villages and konoha and their best ninjas, konoha is like godlike, i think kishi here screw up a little and he made a poor balance of powers:)

[Shiro-kun]

@Forever_Melody
same here, if you look and compare other villages and konoha and their best ninjas, konoha is like godlike, i think kishi here screw up a little and he made a poor balance of powers:)

I dont think what s/he meant
Its because of lack of Information we get on the other villages, we dont see them as high standards as the Konaha. That Is Kishimoto not expanding his world a little bit outside of Konaha

but Kishimoto has not totally failed on what type of power that can come from the other villages
Akatsuki ,Kimimaro, Haku and Zabuza are prime examples of that

[The Boff]

the latest chapter was the last straw. i officially give up on naruto now.

i used to be the biggest narutard on the planet. but Kishi fucked up what couldve been the greatest manga/anime ever.
well played Kishi. thanks for everything up to the sannin fight, atleast that was beyond awesome. but now............ what happened?
enough for me. he ruined it beyond repair. thanks a lot...........

[Schabrak]

@Buff:
Why? It's finally getting to a conclusion of the Naruto VS Sasuke rivality. Naruto has gained a last hope "super nova big bang jutsu" from Itachi an can begin to train for the upcoming attack on Konoha. Naruto has won everytime with "his ninja ways", but Itachi indicated, that now, there has to be another end. I really HOPE that Sasuke will day, that Naruto will grow up, away from his dreams, to the Ninja reality he is living it. ninja =|= love&peace.
I'm ashamed of Kishi too, he trully has f**ked up, but it can only get BETTER now.^^
/sarcasm on
Maybe Sasuke could get 300 MS techniques, so he actually becomes GOD and kill Pain, be the main character, become Hokage, resurect the Uchicha clan, get Sakura into his hands and have a peaceful live without his "revenge".
/sarcasm off

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

if we go by the last few chapters then i think it will be right to say Naruto indeed is getting worse/boring/unattractive.

[Schabrak]

if we go by the last few chapters then i think it will be right to say Naruto indeed is getting worse/boring/unattractive.
Yeah it is sooo bring to finally see/read the truth behind the massacre, to finally see the long awaited Sasuke vs Itachi fight and use of all of his MS techniques, to know the truth about Madara and revealing himself to Sasuke and to see that Sasuke has completely has lost his mind. In addition we have seen the creation of Konohagakure, the hair-trigger situation of the Uchichas before Itachis doings and the fight of the Valley of the End.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Yeah it is sooo bring to finally see/read the truth behind the massacre, to finally see the long awaited Sasuke vs Itachi fight and use of all of his MS techniques, to know the truth about Madara and revealing himself to Sasuke and to see that Sasuke has completely has lost his mind. In addition we have seen the creation of Konohagakure, the hair-trigger situation of the Uchichas before Itachis doings and the fight of the Valley of the End.

do you know what "a few chapter" means, i don't think so and i won't even waste my time explain it to you.

[Schabrak]

do you know what "a few chapter" means, i don't think so and i won't even waste my time explain it to you.
You are a great one, taling about "i think it will be right to say Naruto indeed is getting worse/boring/unattractive", because of what ...2/3... chapters, if that is the meaning of a few? Maybe I can not see your arguments, because there are'nt any. 400 chapters of suspence build up, are destroyed because of a "few" chapters? The last part was about ehh 8 chapters. Not even a whole Manga, but it was full of suspence and suprise. Every chapter was full of things to discuss about, or how do I have to see it, that you tried to make arguments against me in the last discussion thread. :E Let's take your quote of my post and take out "the Itach VS Sasuke" fight, and it was still in these few chapters.
Or probably you could tell me what made the manga so bad? Sasuke making his decision to attack Konoha? That only took the last chapter + 1/17 from 402. 402 did show us, what the "poke" at the end of the fight meant, it nay have been a flashback, but it made the whole situation even more exciting, to see, that Sasuke can even cry about his brother, whom he dedicated to hate his whole life, to take revenge for his whole life. The chapter was an impact for him, why should'nt it be for us. The whole last 10 chapters would'nt make no sense, if Sasuke had not decided to take even more revenge. His whole life would not make reason if he had givin up after the fight...
Everyone interprets "few" differently. Sometimes it's a pair aka two, sometimes three and sometimes even more.
___________
+ you are annoying... rarely posting a real argument to what you are talking about or giving real response to others.

[Franckie]

I dont think what s/he meant
Its because of lack of Information we get on the other villages, we dont see them as high standards as the Konaha. That Is Kishimoto not expanding his world a little bit outside of Konaha

but Kishimoto has not totally failed on what type of power that can come from the other villages
Akatsuki ,Kimimaro, Haku and Zabuza are prime examples of that

I believe the stick is that Kishi doesn't have enough imagination to make something in this manga not come from Konoha. Konoha has produced at least 3 of 11 Akatsuki members, Konoha has the invincible bloodline, Konoha has the bijuu controller, Konoha has the invulnerable Sannin, Konoha has the super God of Shinobi, Konoha has the strongest clans, and Konoha has everything else.

Naruto is not a story about other villages but it's a story that includes other villages. And yet it makes the other village look like complete trash in comparison, though I will give Kishi some credit for introducing characters such as Pein, Hanzou, etc.


Yeah it is sooo bring to finally see/read the truth behind the massacre, to finally see the long awaited Sasuke vs Itachi fight and use of all of his MS techniques, to know the truth about Madara and revealing himself to Sasuke and to see that Sasuke has completely has lost his mind. In addition we have seen the creation of Konohagakure, the hair-trigger situation of the Uchichas before Itachis doings and the fight of the Valley of the End.

I wouldn't say Sasuke vs Itachi was a spectacular fight. The first part of the fight consisted of a staring contest and Itachi was made to look like a joke in chapter 389; Sasuke held the upperhand against Itachi for the majority of the fight. The only things I thought were good were Susano-O (not when it was a lamer skeleton, but when it had a cool sword (sadly it was only used against Oro whom I hoped we were rid of already)) and the fight's ending.

There's also the matter of what has now officially happened to the plot. It's boring that everything centers around Konoha. It's boring that everything centers around Uchiha. It's boring that Sharingan is the ultimate everything as far as "ninja" go (though Rinnegan still has a shot at that). Kishi introduced a large world, five major countries, Akatsuki with members from all over the world hunting jinchuuriki (scattered throughout the world) and Naruto was just one of them. That was a very interesting story.

What it turned out to be was a dude from Konoha interested in hunting the bijuu in Konoha and nine 15-year-olds from Konoha have to stop him. In Konoha. Konoha Konoha Konoha Uchiha Uchiha Uchiha. Yay! BORING.

[Schabrak]

There's also the matter of what has now officially happened to the plot. It's boring that everything centers around Konoha. It's boring that everything centers around Uchiha. It's boring that Sharingan is the ultimate everything as far as "ninja" go (though Rinnegan still has a shot at that). Kishi introduced a large world, five major countries, Akatsuki with members from all over the world hunting jinchuuriki (scattered throughout the world) and Naruto was just one of them. That was a very interesting story.

What it turned out to be was a dude from Konoha interested in hunting the bijuu in Konoha and nine 15-year-olds from Konoha have to stop him. In Konoha. Konoha Konoha Konoha Uchiha Uchiha Uchiha. Yay! BORING.
You may realise, that this chapter of Naruto will END with the upcoming fight. There will be no more problems in Konoha besides Pain. Time for Naruto to explore different places, which he has not even a reason to explore *cough* What would take him to the other countries? We have seen the rain village because of Jiraiya, but there is no more reason to go to other ones. Kirigakure has a hirachy, we know more than enough of it because of Kisame, Suigetsu, and Zabuza, and there should'nt be a mission to go there. Kumogakure... we have enough lightning through Sasuke, Kakashi and the more than enough fillers.^^ And there has never been any good relationships with Iwagakure(see Kakashi Gaiden)...

The Manga is about Naruto getting stronger so that he becomes the Hokage, but the Kiyubi is in the way. So what choice is there, but someone with the Sharingan to make Naruto and the biju react? Only Madara and Sasuke. And with Pain with his Rinnegan is the final enemy, as he plans to create a new world order with his destructive jutsu. Naruto being one of the last ones he need, naturaly Pain starts to act and goes to Konoha to take him and naturaly it is about Konoha.

I would'nt doubt, that these other villages look any much different from the filler ones.... skin trough a National Geographic if you really want to see a jungle, a desert or whatever... Besides the rain village, there should'nt be any special place anymore. And we do'nt need anymore new enemies while there are so many runing around getting into Naruto's ways. It would be nice if we can see the uzumaki village for once though. :D

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

[QUOTE=Schabrak;898825]You are a great one, taling about "i think it will be right to say Naruto indeed is getting worse/boring/unattractive", because of what ...2/3... chapters, if that is the meaning of a few? Maybe I can not see your arguments, because there are'nt any. 400 chapters of suspence build up, are destroyed because of a "few" chapters?

where in my post does it infer that the last 400 great chapters of suspence build up are destroyed because of a "few" chapters. I read my post over and i can't see any. And the question is "is Naruto getting worse, boring, and unattractive". Let me repeat that GETTING, because i'm not sure if you quite understand what that means(no offense intended). Questions is not asking if the last 400 chapters were great, the question is asking is naruto GETTING boring because of the last few chapters. It doesn't matter if the last 400 chapters are great, the question is about the last few chapters and asking you to base your answer on them.


The last part was about ehh 8 chapters. Not even a whole Manga, but it was full of suspence and suprise. Every chapter was full of things to discuss about, or how do I have to see it, that you tried to make arguments against me in the last discussion thread. :E Let's take your quote of my post and take out "the Itach VS Sasuke" fight, and it was still in these few chapters.
Or probably you could tell me what made the manga so bad? Sasuke making his decision to attack Konoha? That only took the last chapter + 1/17 from 402. 402 did show us, what the "poke" at the end of the fight meant, it nay have been a flashback, but it made the whole situation even more exciting, to see, that Sasuke can even cry about his brother, whom he dedicated to hate his whole life, to take revenge for his whole life. The chapter was an impact for him, why should'nt it be for us. The whole last 10 chapters would'nt make no sense, if Sasuke had not decided to take even more revenge. His whole life would not make reason if he had givin up after the fight...

That is your opinion. I think the last few chapters are boring and i don't exactly know what your business is with what i think. Also the question isn't asking if the last chapters were informative, it asking if they were boring. Informative and Boring are two different things.


Everyone interprets "few" differently. Sometimes it's a pair aka two, sometimes three and sometimes even more.

Maybe you should ask what i meant by few before you start bashing.
___________

+ you are annoying...

lol, thank you i feel the same way about you.


rarely posting a real argument to what you are talking about or giving real response to others.

What do you mean real argument and real response? I make arguement that prove my points. Just because you have no arguement against them doesn't mean you have to whine and cry.

[Forever_Melody]

True, it's a matter of opinions. What one considers boring because of x reason, another can find very exciting because of y reason.

A good example are the most recent chapters. Some find that they're exciting since the plot is developing while others find it a bit boring because it was as expected by many.

I don't really see how you can argue on someone's opinion of something lol :darn

[Black/Light]

All the SHG crap made it more and more boring for me untill sweet nuggets like Itachi being a good guy can out. Now it's starting to inprove, for ME, because they have finally set the wills in motion for a show down that wont dissappoint like the Itachi fight.

A full on attack on the leaf were the 5th dies lead by MD/ Sas. . . HAS to be epic.

[Shiro-kun]

A Fourth Shinobi War Would be intersting to see , If Kishimoto pulls a War it would raise my interest in this manga by tenfold

and If He does have a Battle for Konaha(Sasuke Attacking ,Pain makes a attempt at capturing Naruto,Prominant Ninjas fall) as the on-start for a War that would be a terrific beginning for War.

But thats if Kishimoto goes far in the conflict.

[Schabrak]

"getting = it already is and it gets worse, even now" . The last "few" are getting more boring/un.../wo... and so is 403? :E If you talk about the b/u/w future of Naruto, that no one besides Kishi knows, I'm sorry. But you do not.


A Fourth Shinobi War Would be intersting to see , If Kishimoto pulls a War it would raise my interest in this manga by tenfold

and If He does have a Battle for Konaha(Sasuke Attacking ,Pain makes a attempt at capturing Naruto,Prominant Ninjas fall) as the on-start for a War that would be a terrific beginning for War.

But thats if Kishimoto goes far in the conflict.

Would'nt a war contradict to Pains plan? He plans the exact opposite, peace.^^

[Jammin]

I'm loving these latest developments and best of all i can feel these endless Sasuke centric chapters coming to an end. Chapters which i now see were necessary for Kishimoto to tell his story but were still hard for me to endure. Reading so many humorless chapters in a row was getting really old.

It's a bit hard for me to understand how people can get bored with new mysteries like "What power did Itachi give Naruto?" and "What will Naruto do when he comes face to face with Sasuke on the battlefield?"


Would'nt a war contradict to Pains plan? He plans the exact opposite, peace.^^
Pain's desire is to end war by making everyone feel the pain and fear of it. If the story he told Jiraiya is true he intends to create the ninja version of a nuclear deterrent. So he will achieve peace through war, fear, and destruction.

So i don't think Pain would mind if Konoha, which seems to be the greatest hindrance to akatsuki, gets caught up in a war.

[Forever_Melody]

Actually, I think Konoha(and the fire country) would be Pein's prime choice to "test" his new kinjutsu if he'd ever finish it. What better way to instill fear than to eliminate the world's current strongest nation?

Anyways, I don't think Naruto is getting boring and I've already voiced my only complaint about it but I understand that it can't always be done.

[neomaster121]

It would be much better if Kishi kept the two seperated as they are but far more even so like we never really know who would win just like he was doing pre time skip

Now the way things are only a crazy man could say Naruto could beat sasuke in his current state (without itachis power)

[GGpX]

the latest chapter was the last straw. i officially give up on naruto now.

i used to be the biggest narutard on the planet. but Kishi fucked up what couldve been the greatest manga/anime ever.
well played Kishi. thanks for everything up to the sannin fight, atleast that was beyond awesome. but now............ what happened?
enough for me. he ruined it beyond repair. thanks a lot...........

Saying it potentially could have been the greatest manga/anime ever is a very big stretch. Naruto only had great potential for the first 3-4 volumes, when it was before the whole Chuunin exam fiasco. It's been mediocre to bad ever since. The Chuunin exam arc ruined the special thing Naruto had going. The ninja aspect that was introduced was great. It made Naruto a very, very interesting concept to look forward to. Then the author just fucks it all up by essentially introducing monsters. Then it was about powerful monsters. Now it's about power-ups and learning new moves. Now, the protagonist, Naruto, is as much of a ninja as the sky is purple.

And to be honest, the only character that interests me in Naruto is Sasuke. There's nobdoy else that's even close to being interesting in the series outside of him.

The recent chapters have been interesting. Forgetting all of the shitty fighting and everything included, the last few chapters have been about character development.

Rating Naruto, I'd give it a 3/10 now. 3 for interesting premise, extremely poor delivery, not-so-interesting story, stale characters minus Sasuke.

[Oblivion]

i REALLY cant understand what so many here are complaining.

itachi vs sasuke was amazing,

from jiraya vs. pain there was NO BAD CHAPTER.

i am liking naruto more and more.

both fights were amazing.

the kirin was the only thing stupid, susano'o was awesome.

hell even every panel was awesome. every last of em made sense.

i think from pain vs jman to now, naruto was never better then ever.

and now naruto will join the awesomeness too.

[Suzuku]

Indeed it is. Plot-holes everywhere, the story doesn't pull you in like it used to, bad placement of scenes and events, the plot is filled with Uchiha, and Kishi is contradicting the Themes of his own story. Not to mention the past two fights have been boring as hell.

For 7 chapters now we've had nothing but emo Sasuke faces and endless flashbacks, and even though obtaining history on Konoha is nice, it'd be better with the actual main character getting the lesson. The character and story development is horrid now and Kishi is doing a pretty crappy job at emphasizing Naruto is the one who'll change the world. Honestly, Naruto has become one of the worst Shounen manga currently being written.

[Oblivion]

i soooo disagreee....many of the plotholes you just talked about were filled in the last 7 chapters. we are getting more and more news.

e.g.:the 4th was indeed naruto's father, we've seen his mother. meaning that soon we'll find out what happend to her.

btw: even if kishi would throw you EVERYTHING at once you'd complain....

[neomaster121]

we've had too much uchia and the decissions sasuke makes are plan dumb

plus narutop and sasuke are too wide apart either sasuke got superd up or naruto got weakened down

but no in naruto both happens at the same time

[Raizen]

Indeed it is. Plot-holes everywhere, the story doesn't pull you in like it used to, bad placement of scenes and events, the plot is filled with Uchiha, and Kishi is contradicting the Themes of his own story. Not to mention the past two fights have been boring as hell.

For 7 chapters now we've had nothing but emo Sasuke faces and endless flashbacks, and even though obtaining history on Konoha is nice, it'd be better with the actual main character getting the lesson. The character and story development is horrid now and Kishi is doing a pretty crappy job at emphasizing Naruto is the one who'll change the world. Honestly, Naruto has become one of the worst Shounen manga currently being written.
You explained everything exactly what I was thinking. Naruto has really gone down the toilet. It is no where up to its standard. I remember in the first few episodes, each of them kept me entertained and made me actually experience and feel what the characters are going through. For example, haku wanting to be important in someone's eyes made me cry so much. It was so sad. And then how friends stick up for one another even though they are rival b/c in the end they are hidden leaf ninja portrayed a sense off respect and truth. That is what I missed the most. Currently it is just uchihas are the strongest, uchiha sharingan, sharingan, mangekyo sharignan, eternal sharingan. It's like SHUT UP!! Sasuke is getting all these powers up left and right and making decisions w/o thinking about the consequences. He is like an f-ing child that needs to grow some nads.

[weixiaobao]

Currently it is just uchihas are the strongest, uchiha sharingan, sharingan, mangekyo sharignan, eternal sharingan. It's like SHUT UP!! Sasuke is getting all these powers up left and right and making decisions w/o thinking about the consequences. He is like an f-ing child that needs to grow some nads.

you guys are overly dramatic.. though i am agree that naruto was potentially a five star series, however comparing from the beginning to now.. it is going down hill.. but the latest chapter, clear things up a bit... it not about "uchiha sharingan, ... etc... sharingan crap" but about the choice of peace (which itachi choose) or pride/ defending what a person or group represent (sasuke). It about power struggle... And the way it going naruto probably end up killing sasuke sooner or later...

though i really hate these elements
-sasuke can turn into a monster by curse seal
-that orochimaru is pretty much pretty weakling by right now standard (i like it a bit better when he was the main bad guy)
-naruto's overly obsession with sasuke
-yondaime is naruto's father
-kakashi is still on the passenger's seat..

[Schabrak]

though i really hate these elements
-sasuke can turn into a monster by curse seal
-that orochimaru is pretty much pretty weakling by right now standard (i like it a bit better when he was the main bad guy)
-naruto's overly obsession with sasuke
-yondaime is naruto's father
-kakashi is still on the passenger's seat..
- curse seal is destroyed
- we don't know if Kabuto has a split personality or which part reigns the body -> are they just Oros body parts or personality; okay the Oro from the I vs S fight is just a snake now.^^
- Minato being the father was forshadowed in the very first chapter + I think in the first opening too...

[weixiaobao]

- curse seal is destroyed
- we don't know if Kabuto has a split personality or which part reigns the body -> are they just Oros body parts or personality; okay the Oro from the I vs S fight is just a snake now.^^
- Minato being the father was forshadowed in the very first chapter + I think in the first opening too...

no i meant by the end of the first part, sasuke turning into an ugly purpleish monster is pretty much distaste, naruto-fox monster is on the other hand "cool"

as for minato being the father is ya ya ya.. i like naruto because he is a nobody that dream big and want respect by earning it.. but when i found out he the son of a hokage which meant he likely to be a hokage (destiny) and he should already got the respect without earning except for the villagers is stupid and cannot make the connection between naruto and minato i guess...

[LoS]

At this point I am guessing Kishi just kind of wanted to get through this block of chapters. He knew in his mind they sucked, and might have seemed cool to some Naive people to see power ups, but he knew as a "story" these chapters made it worse.

But now that he is over it, he can proceed with his original plan. Most authors have the beginning and the end mapped out real well, and need very few revisions to their idea to make the story cohesive. But those chapters in between and especially those leading up to the end are the hardest to devise.

The problem is I dont feel like Kishi had the entire story mapped out well enough and just improvised quite a few chapters along the line. If you think about it, he does not have much time per chapter. So if he has to make up story development at such short notice it will not be a very cohesive story.

He has let far too many things lead him astray from what was once his original goal/idea.

[Schabrak]

He has let far too many things lead him astray from what was once his original goal/idea.
Yeah the whole Sasuke - Uchicha thing.^^

[ChristopherE]

For those of you who said Kishi was going downhill with the story line (Mainly during the Sasuke and Itachi fight/show), do you take that back now as Itachi's intentions have now been explained? Just a curiosity question(and of course for discussion ;P).

Merged threads.

[Cyven]

Not in the slightest =p
I always figured Itachi was a good guy as he had plenty of chances to kill Sasuke, but never used them, which just didn't fit the pattern of someone who's supposed to be so ruthless.
The way Itachi handled the fight seems odd to me. It seems to me like Itachi could have guessed that Sasuke would fall under Madara's sway and that dying would end his protection of Konoha, yet he still allowed Sasuke to kill him. Seems fishy to me.

Secondly, while I find him to be annoying, it was even more annoying that Naruto was out of the picture for so long. I don't get why it was so important to dwell on the build-up to Sasuke's decision to turn on Konoha for so long... It would have been fine if it had been switched out with Naruto & co running around more proportionately but now it was all "sasuke sasuke sasuke sasuke oheythere'snaruto sasuke sasuke sasuke"

I also didn't care much for Sasuke's bag of tricks that keeps him coming out on top in every battle >> However that will make it all the sweeter when he finally gets beaten.

[LoS]

I still find the manga annoying, at this point if it does not get more interesting I am just reading it to finish a story I have already started.

[ChristopherE]

I always thought itachi was just a demented dick head (which is an awesome attribute by the way) who's purpose was to show the strength and progress of Sasuke. Anyways, I was getting pretty pissed with the manga but now it's starting to bring up stuff that now interests me. I now also know why the sasuke vs itachi thing kinda sucked but it made it so much sweeter now that I'm informed. ;P

[lazyboyrod]

Nope I have always been a good sport, I dont complain about petty things I cannot change, anyway Kishi knows what he's doing, we dont have to worry about that.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

i don't know how knowing itachi's true intention will make people, who think the manga was going downhill, take there words back.

[EvolutionIX]

Kishi has never failed to surprise me. I will always back him so NO. I believe Naruto can still get better but its good enough for me.

[ShadowStrike]

Kishi has never failed to surprise me. I will always back him so NO. I believe Naruto can still get better but its good enough for me.

That's probably because you don't really hang out on these forums much. Pretty much of Kishi's trash story had been predicted by people here.

All this Kishi good guy, Sasuke join akatsuki, Tobi behind Uchiha killings.. all have been speculated.. Kishi is doing awfully on the story development part ever since part 2..

[Suzuku]

No, because it's still bad writing.

[nat]

Aha! for me, it was never going downhill. I have faith in Kishimoto-Sensei.

And also, any arc with the Uchihas is my favorite. More than J-man or Konoha (except Naruto and Sakura). We needed the base for the plot in the future, and Kishi gave it to us, albeit too slowly.

Btw, predicted doesn't mean bad. He can't invent strange stuff all the time. Some twists are predictable, others are almost insane.

Plus we are clever people to guess some stuff, arent we? :p (lolz)

[Cyven]

Kishi lost whatever faith I had left in him when he declared Madara as being the mizukage >_>

[nat]

I think that was the one of the best plot twists ever. (After madara being alive that is, he is a walking plot twist)

[neomaster121]

Kishi lost whatever faith I had left in him when he declared Madara as being the mizukage >_>

lol thats is what i was thinking

yet i was surprised how so many found that to be a good thing

[ophidial]

lol thats is what i was thinking

yet i was surprised how so many found that to be a good thing

well if you think about it, him being a mizukage or
a ninja or relatively high standing would make total sense and is logical,
as for such a powerful ninja who is still active they're bound to make
waves in whatever country he joins. If you think back to before the leaf
invasion arc, the 3rd obliged oro's request to keep the exams running
because they didn't want oro to offer his services to another country.
Imo that's basically what happened with madara, he offered his services
to another country and over the many years climbed up the ranks.
It was a total twist as unlike most of the other twists it wasn't foreshadowed,
which is something I find funny when people start thinking that they're so
clever for making accurate predictions or that kishi is getting predictable
as most of the twists is preceded by a large amount of foreshadowing or
ambiguity.

[CupofDice]

Kishi lost whatever faith I had left in him when he declared Madara as being the mizukage >_>


I sort of agree with that. I mean it seemed like a quick 'throw it in there' plot twist instead of being important to the story. Then again maybe that is why it was so quick because even Kishi knew it would be a bit 'off', so it only lasted a few panels. It also seemed a copy of Pain.

About the story I don't necessarily think its going down hill, just that it could be better than what it is right now. The Madara story didn't change that, but what will happen with the frogs and Naruto may change my belief that Naruto (manga) has been stagnating. Kishi needs to learn to give the fans what they want, and even more importantly that every fan isn't a Uchiha freak. As it has been said many times part 1 was almost perfect. Sure Naruto didn't have many jutsus like Sasuke, and the ninjas he fought, but that was what part 2 should have been about. In that aspect of part 2 and giving Naruto power he has failed. I really don't see how Kishi can drag out Naruto being weak any further, so we will should definitely see Naruto training with the frogs or something like that. Of course as EvolutionIX^ said, Kishi never fails to surprise, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kishi held off Naruto becoming stronger some more for him to go chasing after Pain, or Sasuke once again. I guess the next few chapters will tell.

[Darth Executor]

For those of you who said Kishi was going downhill with the story line (Mainly during the Sasuke and Itachi fight/show), do you take that back now as Itachi's intentions have now been explained? Just a curiosity question(and of course for discussion ;P).

I'm not one of them but they'll never admit it. Truth is that most of those people were Sasuke haters who complained about Kishimoto making him look good and kishi ended up making fools out of them. The way he stepped on their ego, they'll always pretend to "hate" it but keep coming back for more anyway.

[Coup]

Nope I have always been a good sport, I dont complain about petty things I cannot change, anyway Kishi knows what he's doing, we dont have to worry about that.
Exactly, he made many of you leave and yet still comeback.

So yea, he knows what he's doing.

[PitchBlack857]

The more i read the manga the more faith I gain in Kishi. The guy knows what he doing, everything thats happening has been foreshadowed. Kishi drop subtle hint's all the time that most wouldn't understand till later on. I can't wait till the manga is over so i can then properly judge it, until then im going to chill out and enjoy my free manga.

[lagif]

To me, not much had changed
I still don't trust the whole Madara's version, 'cause you may describe the same facts in many different ways, depending on what your opponent wants to hear. Sasuke still wanted to hear his big bro loved him. And I still can't start like Itachi for what he's done, whatever reasons he'd had.

[Lelo]

whoever thinks Kishi is losing it, just ask urself if he's going downhill why do I keep coming back to this site every week to read a chapter and post my thoughts. This is what makes stories so interesting, people agreeing and disagreeing

[ChristopherE]

whoever thinks Kishi is losing it, just ask urself if he's going downhill why do I keep coming back to this site every week to read a chapter and post my thoughts. This is what makes stories so interesting, people agreeing and disagreeing

I believe people do that to see if the story is gonna get any better and/or (someone already stated this) to finish reading a story they already started.

[Black Thought]

I never said Kishi was losing it.... I just think it would help if he focused on Naruto, but maybe those are just wishes and hopes of a fanboy... :s

[Lelo]

I believe people do that to see if the story is gonna get any better and/or (someone already stated this) to finish reading a story they already started.

they dont have to, if it was really that bad I would stop reading. If someone loses interest in a story, they stop reading. They could wait till the Manga is done and then read it

[Kusachu]

I'm just tired of people constantly complaining about every little thing. Good grief. Give the guy a break already. Like, if the Uchiha side story gets on your nerves that much, then just go read something else for a while and come back when the story has progressed more, but for the love of manga, keep your hate spewing to yourself. I don't mind people pointing out things they don't particularly care for, but outright bashing gets annoying. I didn't particularly like the Jiraiya vs. Pein story arc, and I thought a lot of it was a tad dumb, but I didn't come here every week and rant and pick fights with people, or flame people who were enjoying the story at that point.

Think about this, when this stuff airs in the anime the Sasuke v. Itachi fight will probably only last a couple of episodes, maybe no more than it lasted when they showed the Uchiha massacre flashback episodes, and they will probably add in a few more bits of team Konoha filler for them just like they did when they did the Uchiha flashback. Kishimoto has enough story to tell to waste page space showing unnecessary information just so the fans can have a few pages of interruption during a very intense battle. Why not just be patient and wait it out?

And about Naruto getting stronger, well, what? Do you want it to be like Dragonball? Like Goku, who is always the strongest no matter what? Honestly, I sort of like it that Naruto is still lagging behind. It adds to the drama of the story. This is Naruto's coming of age right now. Sasuke already had his, so heck yeah, he's beyond Naruto when it comes to being a ninja. He always has been. But Sasuke lacks the qualities that make Naruto so special, and even if he does have a 'genetic' advantage, Naruto has a stronger spirit and will come out ahead in the end.

[Lelo]

^ I know, you cant expect every chapter to top the last one. IMO, Kishis is mixing it up good and I hope he doesntchange anything

[lordHokage]

No, Naruto is getting better, exciting and appealing more than ever. There are many great things coming down the pipeline and the storyline continues to get better. :D

[Marq]

Hmm... I guess my opinion changed a bit, it's alright, but still not what it used to be. It's not all ARGHH BAD BLAH opinion I used to have, but there are still better mangas that I read then Naruto *coughOPcough* , but I still come back for Naruto just to check on it, afterall, I did start this manga and I tend to finish it, even if there were arcs I didn't like in particular. Guess my only complaint is how kishi drags some chapters, just to "fill" the chapter's quota.

I just hope it doesn't end like 666 satan.

Worst.

Ending.

EVER.

[Necron]

ok beside the fact that kishi killed itachi and that he is building up sasuke to the strongest character , i like the manga a lot ...

[nat]

Sasuke will avenge Itachi, that's why I watch...

Too addicted because of the entire Uchiha fest!!!!!
Fans complain, but Kishi knows that they will be back in the end...:p

[Kusachu]

Hmm... I guess my opinion changed a bit, it's alright, but still not what it used to be. It's not all ARGHH BAD BLAH opinion I used to have, but there are still better mangas that I read then Naruto *coughOPcough* , but I still come back for Naruto just to check on it, afterall, I did start this manga and I tend to finish it, even if there were arcs I didn't like in particular. Guess my only complaint is how kishi drags some chapters, just to "fill" the chapter's quota.

I just hope it doesn't end like 666 satan.

Worst.

Ending.

EVER.

Ahahahahaha! I feel you on that one. I was so excited for that ending, and then when the chapter came out I was like, "This...this is a joke...right? HOW CAN YOU END IT LIKE THAT!! THAT'S THE WORST ENDING EVER!!!" :mad

It was so rushed and trite...I HATED that ending. But I did love the series emphatically.:D

[jodi]

I love the manga Naruto

just can't everyweek for the chapter to come out.

[vintagemistakes]

the only problem I have with the series is that I'm all caught up with the chapters.

I first started reading it somewhere around Part II Oro vs Naruto battle.... so I got to read as many chapters in a row as my eyes could take starring at the computer screen. Since then its been a love hate relationship.... mostly love though. The only negative is that I can't fast forward my life and read the rest of it in one gigantic sitting....

[bigtymer32]

naruto gets better and better.right now its getting more interesting and more fights are coming plus naruto training,sasuke's ms/also about to fight the 8 tails,madara's evil plot ,pein coming to konaha.plus oorichimaru/kabuto combo is still around theres alots of story lines .i forgot to mention root you know danzou will be up to something.

[Zoul]

first of all, i am still reading naruto, but not the anime anymore, since quality and fillers reasons

serously, naruto started out great, but can anyone of you truely say that this is still a manga about NINJAS? ever since those "freaks" who could transform showed up and took sasuke away, all those "ninjutsus" are so wacko sometimes i thought i was still reading dragon ball z (they did't even tried to explain how hidan and Kakuzu were able to be unkillable and store 5 hearts, they just do)

the recent sasuke vs itachi fight is a great example, i mean... omg... this giant... indestuctable... all mighty... ummm... summon? you call that a ninjutu? you might as well kill off rock-lee as a character, who with no ninjutsu, hes probably the weakest character (not joking at all!) in naruto by now with all these wacko ninjutsus...

naruto... i am also sure that most of you have been making fun of him, a main character, but with only 2 moves, shadow clones... and rashangen... every movie, filler, even in manga, always always in every fight, shadow clone -> from behind -> rashangen, and sasuke + itachi, illusion -> more illusion -> more illusion

I would laugh so hard if sasuke being stabbed is another illusion (probably is), and the result of naruto's training is a different version of rasengen

still reading naruto tho, but my current rating of the main shaonen jump mangas are
Hunter x Hunter > One piece > Bleach > Naruto

I do hope naruto does get better, but i think its just false hope

[nat]

As long as they show Sasssssssssukeeee I am happy. I need to see him kick whiny-Konoha's butt...Plus seeing Madara isn't that bad :) the villains are much better than the heroers

[ReleasedPotential-]

^^ Exactly... (edit: the exactly was directed at "Zoul")

Naruto is weak and not fun to watch. Plain and Simple. And he is always corny. But i guess thats probably what the writer wants.

but one thing with the manga i hate would be how everyone is leveled down.

For example...Lee and Gaara Vs the Bone guy. Can't remember his name. (This is my favorite fight.)

Why did the boneguy have to be sick...in order to be defeated by any of our main characters. I still liked the fight..but apparently...at full strength....he would've more then a match for Gaara and Lee. Although they are both strong in their own respects.
Another exampe would be sasuke vs itachi.

Itachi was already on the verge of death and sasuke barely won anyway. Sasuke simply can never beat itachi. His goal was pointless.

The only person in the show who defeated a full blown akatsuki member without needing any editorial help from the writers....was Shikamaru....

And therefore he's my fav. character.

[Lago AM3P]

Exactly what the thread title says.

Me, if I knew ahead of time that Part I was the last real hurrah of anyone outside of Team Seven except for Shikamaru, I would put away the manga for a very long time.

I've been dying to know things like Hinata's position with her family now, Rock Lee and Neji's rivalry (Rock Lee seems to be permanently behind now), Kakashi and Gai's friendship, Iruka's relationship with Naruto, Sakura and Ino's rivalry, and some kick-awesome moves from the Rookie Nine. But after what happened during the Zombie Arc and Rescue Sasuke Mark 3, I'm starting to seriously question whether the mangaka is interested in showing these characters anymore. Considering that Part II has lasted longer than Part I, I think that I've been patient enough and am delivering an ultimatum:

If by the Konoha invasion arc Kishimoto continues to sideline the secondary cast that got me interested in the manga in the first place then I'm quitting the manga, because it's obvious at this point that he doesn't care about what made his manga jump from a mid-tier Shonen Jump speciality to worldwide phenomenom. Hint: it isn't just Sasuke and Naruto.

If this is going to be the case, though, I just wish I knew ahead of time before Part II started. All those wasted months of hope.

Merged threads.

[Spoonz]

Me, if I knew ahead of time that Part I was the last real hurrah of anyone outside of Team Seven except for Shikamaru, I would put away the manga for a very long time.

I've been dying to know things like Hinata's position with her family now, Rock Lee and Neji's rivalry (Rock Lee seems to be permanently behind now), Kakashi and Gai's friendship, Iruka's relationship with Naruto, Sakura and Ino's rivalry, and some kick-awesome moves from the Rookie Nine. But after what happened during the Zombie Arc and Rescue Sasuke Mark 3, I'm starting to seriously question whether the mangaka is interested in showing these characters anymore.

We saw Iruka's relationship with Naruto in chapter 405. Ino and Sakura's rivalry was lightly touched upon in the Zombie Twin Arc. But frankly, after Sasuke left, there really wasn't much of a rivarly. Kakashi is closer to Yamato now. Lee and Neji's rivalry probably ended a long time ago and was only a minor thing anyway. Kishimoto doesn't care much about the Hyuuga now so don't expect much on Hinata.

Side characters are side characters. They pop up when the author needs them but don't expect them to get much attention. If you are waiting around for that big Tenten moment, then good luck.

Now why did some of them get more attention in Part 1? Well honestly, maybe Kishimoto doesn't care about those characters anymore? It's his manga, he can do what he wants. If he wants to write about Sasuke and Naruto all the time, then that's what is going to happen. If you want more of the side characters then you'll either have to write or read fanfiction.


Considering that Part II has lasted longer than Part I, I think that I've been patient enough and am delivering an ultimatum:If by the Konoha invasion arc Kishimoto continues to sideline the secondary cast that got me interested in the manga in the first place then I'm quitting the manga, because it's obvious at this point that he doesn't care about what made his manga jump from a mid-tier Shonen Jump speciality to worldwide phenomenom. Hint: it isn't just Sasuke and Naruto.

No offense. But you're threatening to stop reading a manga you don't pay for if the Japanese creator doesn't write the story you want? In fact, you are issuing an ultimatum? Ultimatum to who? The stars? The sky? Cause no one is forcing you to read anything. It all sounds a little childish. I truly doubt Kishimoto is quaking in his shoes all the way back in Japan.

[Lago AM3P]

Now why did some of them get more attention in Part 1? Well honestly, maybe Kishimoto doesn't care about those characters anymore? It's his manga, he can do what he wants. If he wants to write about Sasuke and Naruto all the time, then that's what is going to happen.

Then Kishimoto should've been upfront about this IMO. It feels like a huge bait and switch to the extreme in my opinion; get a huge fanbase by drawing people in with secondary characters but when eyes are on him--write what you really want to write about!! That is, about his underdog idiot hero and his Mary Sue character.

I think putting up with this for several years without a payoff has shown more than enough loyalty IMO.


No offense. But you're threatening to stop reading a manga you don't pay for if the Japanese creator doesn't write the story you want? In fact, you are issuing an ultimatum? Ultimatum to who? The stars? The sky? Cause no one is forcing you to read anything. It all sounds a little childish. I truly doubt Kishimoto is quaking in his shoes all the way back in Japan.

Of course no one really cares. I mean, I read the manga for free even though I've still bought Naruto merchandise (so I don't want to be painted as a complete fandom leech). I've probably in aggregate paid about a little less towards the Naruto franchise for this stuff than just buying SJ.

On the other hand, when Naruto starts bleeding fans I would at the very least like to float an explanation for why this is. And believe me, this series in on the downslope; the ratings for the Shippuden anime (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=198734&page=47) is noticably lower now than when it started.

On the third hand, this descent is focusing on the anime before the Uchiha Sasuke character focus. I really hate this character in Part II (not the least because the author broke his ties from the secondary cast), but when the ratings start climbing up again I won't be surprised. Guess they love their Mary Sues across the pond.

[Forever_Melody]

While I agree that Kishi can write whatever he wants, he has to keep it coherent to the readers, lest it become some random mumble of a manga.

For example, had he ended the manga right after the Akatsuki, we'd wonder what the hell happened to Kabuchimaru? Kishi bothered to introduce him as a villain with plans so if he isn't figured at all after that, we'd wonder. Sure we could assume he died somewhere in a ditch if that's what Kishi decided to write, but it'd still be some lame-ass writing. Just because he can write whatever he wants doesn't mean he should >.>

[Kusachu]

here's what I think regarding the last few posts:

Secondary FEMALE characters? Too bad. First of all, this is a shounen manga so the girls rarely if ever matter. I expect more with Sakura, Karin, and Tsunade, but that's it. The rest of the females are as of now, meaningless. Just because they exist doesn't mean we will ever get to see them develped in a signifigant way. That's just how it goes, unfortunately. I don't know about other people, but I was never looking forward to seeing Ino, Hinata, Tenten, or "random other female" anyways. I think that Kurenai is the best example of what most females are good for in this manga.

And the guys? Well, the thing of it is, we were introduced to those characters and their stories for a purpose, that being, they are the peers of Naruto. That's it. Shikamaru has always been a fan fave, and he's also been Naruto's friend the whole time. He's interesting, so I expect to see more of him, but I don't really expect to see more Chouji, Kiba or Shino, or Lee and Neji. Not that I would mind it, it's just that I know better than to expect it because the parts they played previously don't lend themselves to being "main characters" like Shikamaru. Probably the only way we will ever see them developed more in depth is if it directly affects either Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, or perhaps Kakashi.

The truth of it is, there's already plenty of story revolving around Team 7 and the ones closest to them like Sai and Tenzou. There's just not room for more than them right now.

And about there being some kind of "bait and switch" happening with the manga characters? I beg to differ. The first 4 or 5 volumes of manga and almost the whole first season of anime focused on only Team 7. If it was a "bait and switch", they would have introduced all the the secondary characters from the begining and then took them out, but it wasn't like that. The rest of the rookie 9 and team Gai were necessary to tell the story of the Chuunin exam, and most of them got to keep going through the Sasuke mission, but so far that has been the extent of their usefulness. That's all. Maybe they will be useful again in the future, maybe they won't, but that doesn't mean the manga is bad, because the manga is about Naruto and his team, not all the other ones.

[nat]

I think it all depends on the plot flow and what the story needs. For now, we have so many loose ends without the appearnaces of secondary characters. One should think about the roles in the story for now, what does Neji or Rock lee have to offer? Same applies for my beloved Gaara and Co.

We have the Pein arc coming up, and it s gonna a big fat one. We have many characters tied to that arc, Shikamaru, the code breaking team, Forensics, Toad people, Naruto and his team. In the same time, Team Taka and Madara are on the loose, Kisame has yet to grace us with his presence, Zetsu has to give feedback..And Konan needs to cheerlead

And as melody said, Kabuchimaru is still on the loose, with all these story lines coming up, the Hyuuga family feud seems un-important. In the first part, it was their story and their context. They helped pimp Naruto and explain about Konoha. But now that we know about them, they are not needed. Same for Gai and his team. and Kurenai's team. Etcc, they would distract the story more than help it...We saw team 8 for a while, what they did was very much dispensable except for fans to see their loved characters.

I think that is about it, Madara brought with him a big chunk of the plot...And until unravels, we won't see other things....

[Lago AM3P]

Secondary FEMALE characters? Too bad. First of all, this is a shounen manga so the girls rarely if ever matter. I expect more with Sakura, Karin, and Tsunade, but that's it. The rest of the females are as of now, meaningless. Just because they exist doesn't mean we will ever get to see them develped in a signifigant way. That's just how it goes, unfortunately. I don't know about other people, but I was never looking forward to seeing Ino, Hinata, Tenten, or "random other female" anyways. I think that Kurenai is the best example of what most females are good for in this manga.

Thanks for being upfront and honest about the sexism in the manga and the fans.

The blatant sexism in the manga has always been bad, but it's reached completely ridiculous levels by now. The most powerful women in the manga are Tsunade, Kurenai, and Konan. Kurenai is now pregnant with a bastard kid and Konan (that 'strong kunoichi' Kishimoto promised us) got insta-pwned in the span of a couple of pages by a male character.

And Karin... she's the most offensive character in the entire manga to me, with the possible exception of Hachibi. She's yet another female medical ninja who happens to A) be a massive fangirl wannabe rapist of Sasuke B) completely useless in direct combat and C) her sole power besides tracking seems to be some ridiculously screwy healing method that's just frankly creepy and appeals to some weird kink of Kishimoto.


And about there being some kind of "bait and switch" happening with the manga characters? I beg to differ. The first 4 or 5 volumes of manga and almost the whole first season of anime focused on only Team 7. If it was a "bait and switch", they would have introduced all the the secondary characters from the begining and then took them out, but it wasn't like that. The rest of the rookie 9 and team Gai were necessary to tell the story of the Chuunin exam, and most of them got to keep going through the Sasuke mission, but so far that has been the extent of their usefulness. That's all. Maybe they will be useful again in the future, maybe they won't, but that doesn't mean the manga is bad, because the manga is about Naruto and his team, not all the other ones.

It is a bait and switch, because the secondary cast was very important to the plot once the chuunin exam arc started and there was no indication that this would otherwise be the case. Seriously, do you think the manga would've gotten to where it is on Team Seven alone? If you think so, then I don't know what to say.

Even worse, Team Seven (NOT Naruto and Sasuke) isn't important anyway to Part II right now. Hasn't been for awhile. Sakura and Kakashi's growth as characters have ground to a screeching halt since the end of the Rescue Gaara arc. This is really noticable with Sakura, because at least Kakashi still has some relevance to the plot. Sai has literally done nothing since the end of the Penis arc. The plot is all about some silly, repetitive Shaggy Dog story involving the idiot hero chasing the Mary Sue.

Mind, I put it with it for quite some time, but since there's going to be a fourth Rescue Sasuke arc, I'm going to say that it's gotten completely out of hand at this point.


Maybe they will be useful again in the future, maybe they won't, but that doesn't mean the manga is bad, because the manga is about Naruto and his team, not all the other ones.

That was the whole point of my thread-turned-post. If I knew that Naruto would just become some shaggy dog lovefest between Naruto and Sasuke ala frickin' Dragonball Z post Gaara-arc then I would've put the manga and anime down a long, long time ago.

Well, guess what? The last person Naruto inspired or even motivated was Sai, several years ago. And the characters without some ridiculous bloodline or haxx are getting permanently sidelined into mediocrity. The fact that Rock Lee is a chuunin and Neji is a jonin should speak volumes to the unfortunate reality of this manga--if you don't have the potential then just give up. Naruto has three of the biggest powerups in the manga plus some theme-destroying 'destiny' plotline introduced to him since Part II started. So much for hard work.

[Forever_Melody]

I'm a pragmatist, and in all honesty, I believe that if something isn't significantly useful, then don't bother with it...

That's why I don't somewhat understand Kishi's reasoning with the females. If they aren't relevant, why bother including them at all? He said he can't write females very well, then place them in the background(to show that the Narutoverse isn't a sausage fest lol :p) and be done with it. Even the more relevant ones(Sakura and co) don't really serve any purpose in this Shounen. I mean, even amongst secondary characters, they stand out as even more useless. I also just find the 'damsel in distress' role they almost constantly play(with a few exceptions) kind of annoying lol :p

[Hemostrat]

Lee can't use any ninjutsu, do you really think he's Jonin worthy? Pure strength only gets you so far.
And about the whole sexism thing, you act like that isn't true in every. single. shonen. manga there is.

And about Konan, Jiraiya TRAINED her for three years fool, you think he wouldn't have figured out her weakness in that time?

And about Kakashi and Sakura having no air time, you'll get your wish in '09.

[Lago AM3P]

Lee can't use any ninjutsu, do you really think he's Jonin worthy? Pure strength only gets you so far.
And about the whole sexism thing, you act like that isn't true in every. single. shonen. manga there is.

It's just something you put up with to enjoy the manga, like the racial cariactures that pop up waaaay too frequently. I'd rather it not be there at all--so when the overall quality declines but the unfortunate implications get worse it just makes it all the more galling.

But hey, thanks for attempting to justify the mangaka's screwy viewpoint by saying that everyone does it. That helps.



And about Konan, Jiraiya TRAINED her for three years fool, you think he wouldn't have figured out her weakness in that time?

It'd just be straight-up owning if it wasn't for the fact that Konan is being advertised as one of the most powerful women in the manga.

You see the implication here, don't you? One of the strongest females yet is just fodder before the mighty male ninja. Puke.


And about Kakashi and Sakura having no air time, you'll get your wish in '09.

Not at the way the manga is progressing. The mangaka promised them airtime 9 months ago after the year of Uchiha. That's now almost destined to be a completely untrue statement for one reason or another, so why should I believe that the mangaka should keep to his word?

I mean, I 'understand' why Sakura didn't get her spotlight in the same way that a female protagonist will never do anything useful again aside from healing in Part II, but Kakashi's sidelining just puzzles me. He's consistently the most or one of the most popular characters, so what the hell?

[warbandit66]

I honestly think that alot of what's happening in part II of the manga is down to the editors, especially at this point, we all know that Sasuke is the most popular character in the series amongst fans in Japan and Kishimoto has placed alot of focus on him lately, in fact his progress and character development have dwarfed Naruto's at times, it has also been mentioned that the characters that were introduced for Sasuke's new team Hebi/Hawk were the editors idea and have received some major character development as of late. This kind of thing happens once a form of entertainment ammasses such a huge ammount of success, it happened with Dragonball z after the Freiza saga and now it's happening with Naruto.

I'm not complaining though as I see nothing wrong with the current story apart from Naruto's lack of development, although that is being corrected now so balance is restored.

[c0nflikt]

This thread is redundant, if you don't like naruto anymore don't read it if you do then do. I mean kishi is almost never going to get any fan input from anywhere else but japan so i'm irrelevent, every manga or anime has parts we don't like, the side sasuke storyline is bit longwinded yes, naruto has been chump throughout the whole manga yes, but hey get over it, after the senjutsu training all will change.

[Lago AM3P]

naruto has been chump throughout the whole manga yes, but hey get over it, after the senjutsu training all will change.

Where have I heard this before... oh, yeah. The last training.

The senjutsu training isn't going to change jack unless it comes with some character development. That's what made the learning of Kage Bunshin, the unleashing of Kyuubi, and the original Rasengan some awesome and what made the 2.5 years of training and the FRS such a shaggy dog story.

It might come with some character development. I'm still holding out some hope that Naruto will come out of this training wiser. I don't care about him gaining more power--in fact I'm against it at this point in time.

But considering how Part 2 is going, probably not.

[Kusachu]

What I meant when I said it wasn't a bait and switch was that the whole first part of the manga was only about team 7, so therefore, the other characters were not part of he original package but came later, so since they were not offered "up front" you can't say that they got switched out. They were added later and then the story tuned away from them to focus on others. That's all.

But in any case, I don't think the story is getting worse at all. I think it keeps getting better and better, and I have never not been excited to read the next chapter. The anime, however, is another matter entirely. Those filler episodes were chock full of all the secondary cast memebrs, and yet, they still sucked. So meh.

EDIT: Although, I wish the strongest female character was not a huge-breasted alcoholic with gambling problems...*shrug*

[kkck]

It's just something you put up with to enjoy the manga, like the racial cariactures that pop up waaaay too frequently. I'd rather it not be there at all--so when the overall quality declines but the unfortunate implications get worse it just makes it all the more galling.

But hey, thanks for attempting to justify the mangaka's screwy viewpoint by saying that everyone does it. That helps.



It'd just be straight-up owning if it wasn't for the fact that Konan is being advertised as one of the most powerful women in the manga.

You see the implication here, don't you? One of the strongest females yet is just fodder before the mighty male ninja. Puke.



Not at the way the manga is progressing. The mangaka promised them airtime 9 months ago after the year of Uchiha. That's now almost destined to be a completely untrue statement for one reason or another, so why should I believe that the mangaka should keep to his word?

I mean, I 'understand' why Sakura didn't get her spotlight in the same way that a female protagonist will never do anything useful again aside from healing in Part II, but Kakashi's sidelining just puzzles me. He's consistently the most or one of the most popular characters, so what the hell?

Not being able to fight on par with jiraiya is not something unreasonable, most characters introduced so far wouldnt be able to do it, whether they are male or female. Besides we already got sasori vs chiyo and sakura. An old almost dead hag and a little girl beating arguably the strongest puppetmaster ever. That is a ot of girl power if you ask me.

[pjoto]

I've completely accepted the Narutouniverse for what it is, so I don't really care how Naruto evolves, if it just has a propper ending I'm satisfied. I was extatic after the timeskip, and it hasn't dissapointed yet, all you people whining about things taking too much time are just to much in a hurry, just let Kishimoto do his thing and in the end when you have the whole series complete on your external disc and sit down to watch/read it all again, from start to end, you'll see that every chapter has it's meaning and purpose, every story needs time to evolve. It wouldn't be a good series if there was just constant fighting, the characters need some character for us to care who wins, and it also makes each fight more epic.
If you just want cool fights go buy some Naruto games, they all rock (well maby not the x360 one). And the new game for the Ps3 looks frickin' sweet!
And if you're agreeing with me about storylines needing time to evolve, you just don't like the way it's going, well then maybe Naruto isn't for you any more :/

All I know is that I respect Kishimoto way to much to doubt his mangakuskills. He's kept me entertained for years and I'm not about to give him up (not that I have ANY reason too).

[Akumakage]

I started reading this manga so I'll just read it till it ends, no matter how crappy it has gotten.

Hopefully when naruto gets done with senjutsu training it wont be a disappoint.

BTW I know this not a right thread, but can some1 post or PM few interesting mangas? I would very much appreciated if it focuses on the main character of the manga.

For manga recommendations, go to this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372).

[badluckartist]

After some looking, I failed to find a thread for this. I feel it is incredibly necessary for those of us who feel slighted, and need to vent to people across the world (or at MH; close enough). I could make this a vote topic, but I feel as if thoughts will be spread too far across the board. If anybody can make a good list, PM me (try to make it balanced and not include only -one- character, as tempting as it may be).

________________________________________________________________

Moment 3)

The many deaths of Orochimaru. Seriously, by this point it almost seems like Kishi is doing this solely for the purpose of distracting us from debating about the rest of the story. I know, "symbol of rebirth", but still. This is the very reason people should stop saying Oro isn't coming back.

Moment 2)

The survival of the Sasuke Retrieval Team. For me, this began the spiral of fail that the manga would later carry on. Kiba, Chouji, and Neji all had good character development (okay maybe not Kiba), they were all an inch away from death, and none of them died? I personally love Chouji and Neji, but at least one of them should have bit the dust. This really killed my suspension of disbelief in the sense that the Shinobi world is full of death. It would seem Konoha's kids are exempt from this. Now Kishi is flamed for not developing the other Teams, when a LOT of those characters should be dead. Not because I dislike them, but solely for the purpose of story telling.

and finally, Moment 1)

My most hated moment may be one of the more common ones, but it was easily Deidara's death, or rather, Sasuke's survival of Deidara's death. Now, now, yes, we all knew Dei was going to "go out with a bang"- that, I was looking forward to. And yes, we all knew Sasuke wasn't going to die. Hell, I wasn't even expecting Sasuke to lose an arm or something like he should have. But the way in which he survived is what blew my mind. In a fraction of a second, he summoned Manda and teleported away. I did not know that spontaneous teleportation was a technique used at a whim by a near-death ninja- much less a ninja who is NOT one of the only two in the story to believably use "Space-time ninjutsu". That was the point at which Tobi should've saved Sassy and disappeared, leading up to the mysteriousness that is Madara. Plus it would've knocked Sasuke off his high-horse, or at least nudged him.
________________________________________________________________

Oh, and remember when toastin' in my epic bread- ranting, counter-ranting, and debating are all encouraged, but flaming is most certainly not. Also, manga only. Don't need pages of "rabble rabble, filler, damn filler, rabble!!", although you are free to make a thread on that :)

Merged threads.
<hr noshade size="1">

Okay usually I agree with new threads being moved to older threads that are similar enough, but I'm not seeing how "Naruto is getting worse/boring/unattractive" is the same thing as "Name your most hated moment in Naruto". I see they're both about ranting, but still. Not the same thing.

[Raizen]

I liked naruto since the first time I saw the lee vs gaara fight on tv and became hooked. Then I started watching the haku arc and my goodness, I thought it was AWESOME.

My only problem w/ part 2 is how sasuke, surprise surprise, is being so stupid and rash in his decisions. He is hardly the guy that we saw in part 1. It is like his judgment all dissipated. Not only that he seems to get out of EVERY bad situation w/ a plot-kai. Actually all of his escapes and vitories have been really unsatisfying. No other character is like that. If u can name one, great.

Currently I am interested about naruto's training and revelation, and hopefully more info on his parentage. And the summit is really getting me excited. TO see the kages, like gaara and tsunade. EPIC

[Gekkou]

Manga is simply amazing, and the new anime episodes are really good. In this moment I can't say anything bad about Naruto.

[EvolutionIX]

I agree. Nothing bad about naruto at the moment. On the other hand, bleach is getting on my nerves.

[Googlez_kun]

I agree. Nothing bad about naruto at the moment. On the other hand, bleach is getting on my nerves.

yep!at the moment naruto is just perfect for me the story makes a very interesting developement and the manga also suprises me every chapter :amuse

and i have to agree with bleach. i liked it till this part of the story cause its just boring and (somebody mentioned it somewhere already) anyone of the good ones ever dies :oh but thats off-topic