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Predator
June 29, 2006, 10:00 AM
:s That was fast! A few moments and we see Nekomata .....a few more and the kitty is done already.
:p And in between a nice fanservice with Kurenai coming to pick Asuma up. Now nobody will doubt they're a couple.

Lastly ... the next destination of Hidan and Kakuzu is Fire Country (Naruto!).

What will happen next?
Is Nekomata done for? Is Naruto in danger? Will it be fight or will it be training? ... You predict.

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Egoboo
June 29, 2006, 10:21 AM
Since there is no translation out yet, i can only guess...but poor catgirl looks just ko. I think they have to get here to their hideout alive in order to substract the demon. I suppose they won´t be coming for Naruto right now since they need all of their power to get the Bijuu out of it´s host which leaves Naruto with a little bit of time for training/developing that new jutsu (since Itachi and Kisame will be busy "at home"). The two Akatsuki-guys seem to be a bit down as well, maybe time for someone to rescue my beloved little kitty? I doubt it, but i just don´t want her to die like that >.<.

UzumakiRoman
June 29, 2006, 10:43 AM
if they extract her bijuu it's a wrap and as far as they're concerened their job is done!!
they have already marked her off on the map!
and if you look closely there are 7 marks on the map not including Gaara because Suna is to the bottom left!
so after Nekomata Naruto IS the last one!!
Now it's Konoha's turn to defend!!!!!

Egoboo
June 29, 2006, 10:53 AM
hm...but those marks around her when she is hanging on the wall...i believe somebody said those were struggling noises or something...so she is still alive which means they did not extract the bijuu yet. I still think that that little cat has to play a further role, even if it´s a short one. (---> still possible that she gets saved)
And them marking her off the map doesn´t necessarily mean anything...bad guys tend to be a little bit cocky, right? Maybe they simply think she is finished and therefore their mission is already as good as complete.

Crimson
June 29, 2006, 11:36 AM
Theres 9 jinchuuriki's and theres only 6 markers on the map, which also does not include Gaara, as the markers are all above fire country. That would mean theirs still 1 more jinchuuriki besides Naruto that they have not yet captured. And yes, its still possible these two Akatsuki members will be idiotic enough to head straight into fire country, dual sannins/kakashi/yamato territory with Ms Uber Kitty, but that would be a definite screw up on their part. I still see them extracting the bijuu before they head off to "attempt" to obtain Naruto's bijuu. We'll have to wait and see. Lets hope theres at least one other jinchuuriki left besides Naruto that doesnt go down as easily. Im guessing the more tails they have the harder it is to capture them, and that could possibly mean Naruto (highest one, 9 tails) and whoever's carrying the 8 tailed beast, would be the only ones left (I sorta want Naruto to encounter another jinchuuriki before hes the only one left).

downfox
June 29, 2006, 11:36 AM
I am going to guess that Hidan and Kakuzu are going to travel to Fire Country and bring along their recently captured bijuu. Also, we finally might see Naruto train with Kakashi's new method of training.

Rooks
June 29, 2006, 11:37 AM
I thought that Naruto was Kisame and Itachi's objective? If this other duo is heading to Konoha to try and nab Naruto, maybe we'll get to see some inner Akatsuki Turmoil... Sounds like this group is about to step on Kisame/Itachi's turf.

Now that would be a cool fight.. Akatsuki on Akatsuki... ;)

thejackass98
June 29, 2006, 12:05 PM
goddammit asuma leaves for a woman that damm bastard wat was that special talk about he was supposed to talk

One Bad Mo Fo
June 29, 2006, 12:18 PM
He was going to ask Kakashi to be his best man XD

foxez69
June 29, 2006, 12:21 PM
I'm predicting that they will bring the jinchuuriki to konoha while trying to capture naruto. They have to because they haven't extracted the bijuu yet. Unfortunately they will lose and be forced to leave the 2 tail jinchuuriki and Godaime will heal her.

UzumakiRoman
June 29, 2006, 12:23 PM
Theres 9 jinchuuriki's and theres only 6 markers on the map, which also does not include Gaara, as the markers are all above fire country.


there are seven markers, 5 above Konoha, one to the right of Konoha, and one at the top far right that can get confused with the text. Plus Gaara and Naruto that is 9! if Nekomata doesn't make it the only one left is Naruto!!

Dragonzair
June 29, 2006, 12:28 PM
He was going to ask Kakashi to be his best man XD

...

Best predictions in this thread, imo.

HimuraX
June 29, 2006, 12:31 PM
Hmmm...seems like we're gonna have to wait another week to find out anything about (a) Naruto's training and (b) Asuma's discussion.

Hmmm...whats that about Kitty Girl (Yugito) being second best. If she's second best, I would assume help might be on the way. She was captured way too easy, especially since she's second best. I mean Garra gave a better fight and could have won. Granted she was fighting two, I don't think Kakuza provided any help. Also, can anyone confirm if the writing under Hidan is the same as what's behind her on the wall. If so, maybe he use some jitsu to mark her (think darts) by stabbing himself.

It almost seems like Kakuza wants to go straight onto the Fire Country to pick up the last remaining Jinchuuriki beside Naruto.

While everyone is talking about the Asuma / Kurenai relationship issue, I think there might be something deeper since Kakashi said Asuma got anxious when she arrived. <INSERT RANDOM SPECULATION> --> She is a spy for ROOT or AKATSUKI

C4animax
June 29, 2006, 12:33 PM
I don't really know what to predict, since tsunade seems to prepare a nice welcome to the akatsuki we don't know who'll be involved...now next is naruto's training that should at least take 2 chapters before being interupted...i could see the akatsuki being cocky and try to bring neko with them...and probably be freed?...One thing is sure there will be 2 members off akatsuki since i believe they will die.

But after the quickness of the chapter you really can't tell what's going to happen ^^.

ShadwsofArchonia
June 29, 2006, 12:54 PM
Naruto has healed completely from his battle with orochimaru, and though this statement may seem a bit too early what are the actual chances that his temper may flare again causing him to once again go four tails. Last time I checked, fire country is freakin' huge. Meaning plenty of space for chaotical destruction, not to mention there's two Sannin there also, as someone previously said.

I'm sure the Akatsuki are strong, but in comparison by chakra and strength. A four tails would honestly give Itachi and Kisame a hands down no questions asked, run for their money, not to mention you have two Sannin. If Itachi and Kisame fear to fight against Jiraiya. I doubt "Hidan" and "Kuzaku" (or whatever the hell his name was) could do something worth anything, let alone try to capture a Jinchuuriki. Especially a Jinchuuriki who both of the Sannin love as if their own child.

I'll put down a hundred pennies on the assumption of Asuma and Kurenai, with Asuma hoping to ask Kakashi to be his best man. But still it is speculative, damn Kishimoto. Damn the summer for making the days go by so freakin' slow, and most importantly damn the animators who keep making shitty filler episodes. I mean come on, you've hit 100+ filler episodes. The manga is far enough ahead of the anime, get back on the bloody freakin' track!

Metris
June 29, 2006, 12:59 PM
My guesses for the next chapter is that Narutos training finally will start (at the end of the chapter, of course) and that Hidan and Kakuzu take the neko to the Akatsuki HQs. I'm really excited about the training itself though, as there have been a lot of speculations concerning it. What kind of training do you guys think it'll be? :s


~Amanda

sabyr
June 29, 2006, 01:18 PM
i seriously think two tails has a much bigger role in the series, but she will get captured. It will make it a very emotional time if she dies after naruto befriends her and she is more fleshed out to the naruto audience. (And i believe there are two more jinchuuriki, Orichimaru or Sasuke is probably the 8th)

Crimson
June 29, 2006, 01:41 PM
there are seven markers, 5 above Konoha, one to the right of Konoha, and one at the top far right that can get confused with the text. Plus Gaara and Naruto that is 9! if Nekomata doesn't make it the only one left is Naruto!!


Yea you got me there. Your right, theres a marker at the point which their on, Village of Clouds. Which means they have some time to travel all the way down to fire country, hence why Naruto probably starts his training before they get there. I still think itll be too easy to repel these two guys if they show up in Konoha. On the other hand, taking into account what another poster said, Naruto IS Itachi and Kisame's jinchuuriki. Im starting to think that more than just Hidan and Kazuki will converge on Konoha, and that we may see 4 or 6 Akatsuki's (Possibly the injured Deidara and Zetsu joining in as well) for some sort of grand uber fight. Hidan and Kakuzu, might not be a big threat, but Hidan, Kakuzu, Kisame, Deidara, Itachi, and Zetsu would be an extreme showdown, and those kinds of fights leave dead shinobi in their trails. Maybe Kishi is setting us up for the climax of Naruto Part 2? Or maybe im over thinking this and these two Akatsuki idiots will fail, leave the 2 tailed jinchuuriki there, and force the rest of Akatsuki to pick-up the pieces, like everyone else is predicting. Again, anything can happen here. Either way, Hidan and Kakuzu, if their headed to Konoha, still have quite a road trip ahead of them considering where their located on the map, so naruto will definitely be training in the meantime (at least according to the preview for the next chapter).

(Note: Climax does not mean the end, lol. There could still be 100 chapters after a climax.)

donkeyhigh
June 29, 2006, 01:54 PM
I have no prediction, really. All I wanted to say was I really loved the way the two Akatsuki-people talked with each-other. Really fun :)
They sounded like spoiled 10-year-olds :)

Hm, maby allot of Akatsuki enters Konoha, and starts a big fight, during this fight, Kakashi is killed, and gives his eye to Naruto right before he dies. "You remind me of a person I knew." and then dies. That'd be cool :)
Or, err, Kakashi can't die.. That'd be uncool.. But maby Naruto steals Itachi's eyes. That'd be cool :) Noone cares about Itachi :)

Metris
June 29, 2006, 01:59 PM
Well, so far, only 5 of 9 have been "introduced", so there should still be 4 left.

(the 5 introduced ones are: )
~2 that Akatsuki has already captured,
~Naruto
~Gaara
~The latest girly kitten...

So, yeah, 4 more unrevealed ones should be left :)

~Amanda

balder
June 29, 2006, 02:17 PM
Wow everyone seems to think those Xs all represent a successful capture, when i read the chapter it seemed to me like these two were just moving across the world country by country searching and the Xs represented a place they had already been too. I figure these 2 will just keep going across the world until they get their second and last beast. Which could be, and prolly will end up being, Naruto if they run into him before they see any others.

maxhrk
June 29, 2006, 02:27 PM
i dont think Nekomata container is done for... i think those guys tried to track down the real one.. so that why there is 7 marks down.

(could those be a clone that run everywhere, but only real one is hiding? hmm?)

So I think Those akatsuki guesses that only one left is the real one is currently in Fire country..


Just a speculation anyway. :)

seadolpdhinblue14
June 29, 2006, 03:24 PM
since there is more people around Naruto and last time they thought Akatsuki lost a member Aktsuki will probably come together to get Naruto also to ruin Kohona. BUt Kohona is getting ready for this so Suna and other allied force will get ready. At the same time Sound will attack Sasuke and Itachi will go beserk then Team 7 will take the chance to take Sasuke back at the time will know the reasonwhy Itachi kiled his family/clan. Then a new isue will occur. There you go this what I think[br]Posted on: June 29, 2006, 03:17:48 PM_________________________________________________Also it will mean war. There hasn't been one in a awhile. plus isn't there a major battle in every season!!!!!!!!!!!! last/this one was Sasuke the one before was Akatsuki one before was dealing with Orochimaru and so on.

Arsonist
June 29, 2006, 03:36 PM
I'll put down a hundred pennies on the assumption of Asuma and Kurenai, with Asuma hoping to ask Kakashi to be his best man. But still it is speculative, damn Kishimoto. Damn the summer for making the days go by so freakin' slow, and most importantly damn the animators who keep making shitty filler episodes. I mean come on, you've hit 100+ filler episodes. The manga is far enough ahead of the anime, get back on the bloody freakin' track!


Agreed. Ther filler episodes are pure and utter crap. Crap, crap, crap, crap and so on.

EDIT: And yes I would guess Asuma and Kurenai has something going on.

swk21
June 29, 2006, 04:06 PM
doesn't the neko beast looks a lot like sai's beast drawing?

as for the X on the map i think there r 9 of her~~~ just like a cat has 9 lives!@ they have to hunt her down 9 times! that would be pretty cool...

i dun think we'll see Naruto's training at all... just like when Kakashi trained Sasuke. we only saw the training as a flashback...

lee-nus
June 29, 2006, 04:18 PM
it seems im not the only one who's a little lost now... damn, what was that last chapter?! freaked me out... i dont really think the new jinchuuriki is done for that fast... if the nekomata indeed controls death, and if she like other cats have nine lives, i believe she is still very much alive. kishimoto is really turning the heat up, recently!

HisshouBuraiKen
June 29, 2006, 05:29 PM
She's got to be ALIVE, because Hidan and Kakuzu are f'ed if she's not. Even if the Beasts don't die with their host, they'd be lost in some intangible form, or worse, take their original shape, which will make it much harder for Akatsuki to obtain them. If we know one thing about the Akatsuki, its that they won't risk their own lives.

Skeith
June 29, 2006, 05:31 PM
i dunno what to say except, poor kitty :scry


i think that kurenai confronted asuma (who was abot to talk to kakashi about his last mission) about tsunade's recently assigned mission of protecting naruto and ...delaying? (maybe thwarting... can't find the word) these two akatsuki members when they enter the fire country while trying to retrieve Kitty-cat from them...
they can't let kakashi or the rest of team 7 know cuz they'll inform naruto (accidentally) and he'll get all pissy and go 'RAWR' :mad resulting in his own injury and the delay of his training... while this is all going on, naruto and kakashi will be training together, and probably finish just in time to help out, or get interupted by akatsuki attack. Undoubtedly, naruto will get cocky after his training and wind up getting the sh17 beat out of him eventually... he needs to complete a mission successfully soon, this is getting annoying...

as for the asuma/kurenai situation... i don't really care.. there is something going on, duh :pbut its not my main concern right now... i just wanna see the kitty get to freedom ok.. i've seen too many bad things done to kitties... :scry
i like kitty-cat :grin

im pretty sure she's alive... she was trembling on the wall... corpses sometimes move but like sudden jerks.. not trembling... so YAY~!

razor
June 29, 2006, 05:39 PM
prediction:
1.training start for naruto
2.more about akatsuki

lee-nus
June 29, 2006, 06:03 PM
She's got to be ALIVE, because Hidan and Kakuzu are f'ed if she's not. Even if the Beasts don't die with their host, they'd be lost in some intangible form, or worse, take their original shape, which will make it much harder for Akatsuki to obtain them. If we know one thing about the Akatsuki, its that they won't risk their own lives.

yeah, that's no doubt a very important point. since it seems they're going to the fire country, wouldnt be surprised if that - and shizune's and tsunade's earlier conversation about akatsuki's recent activities - has something to do with all this stuff about asuma and kurenai. it also seems like naruto's training will take place sooner than i expected after reading the previous chapter. i wonder how things will turn out... ^^

walterthet
June 29, 2006, 06:14 PM
Agreed. Ther filler episodes are pure and utter crap. Crap, crap, crap, crap and so on.

EDIT: And yes I would guess Asuma and Kurenai has something going on.


I just wish that if they are going to have filler for anime, they should stretch the fights like the one in previous manga chapter. These fights could easily takes 2-3 episodes. Or they should do more character development on secondary characters.

jerger
June 29, 2006, 06:32 PM
kakuzu and hidan... were after the nekojita, probably for its relation to the death/cult type skills. (just like itatchi who has the weasal already)... this is why there is only 1 LEFT OF 8, not 9. Notice how there are 7 etchings, and they say 1 (not 2). this means they are after one more, from the FIRE COUNTRY. once they are done, they will have all 8, but... for some reason they cannot get NARUTO.

if this is not the case.... orochimaru is not on the map (the 8th, 8 snakes)... meaning naruto is the last to be captured (the 9th).

the akatsuki are not after eachother.

DarkManSharingan32
June 29, 2006, 06:49 PM
You know...
Kakuzu and Hidan are gonna do somethin stupid...


Are they gonna walk into Konoha with Yugito? Or will they meet up with someone like Zetsu and make a drop-off...
If the former occurs, we can expect Yugito to be rescued, and these new Akatsuki members to be overwhelmed with numbers...
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And guys...
Yeah, Kakashi was drained from using that last attack, btu don't you think this is a bit too long?
I think something is up with him.. all that intense training, and using the Mangekyou might be killing him...

It would also give more reason for Kakashi to develop this training for Naruto... to go on and save Sasuke in his stead.

But don't worry, we'll see Kakashi fight again... but that fight will probably take his life...


I dunno.. it's just a feeling i have...
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Anyways, in reguards to 314:

Kakashi will talk to Asuma, and we will learn a little more about Kakashi's condition.
Eventually, Naruto and the others will come back and Kakashi will get serious... and takes Naruto to the training area.

I think we will get the outline of the training in the next chapter, and the chapter will concude with Akatsuki again. Either making the drop, or closing in on Konoha...

Pee
June 29, 2006, 07:20 PM
i predict kurenai just found out she was pregnant

Gold Knight
June 29, 2006, 07:44 PM
^ LoL.

Anyway... interesting chapter. Somebody said that the markers on the map might represent the locations instead of the captures - that's a good point - the only problem is that Kakuzu quite clearly said, according to Hisshou's translation, "We've still got one left." Of course that might mean that Kakuzu has to capture for himself a jinchuuriki, but that would be strange if he had been tapped to capture Naruto, which Itachi has already said is his prey. So I think Kishimoto is playing us, trying to fool us into thinking it's Naruto that they're after, when it's really another jinchuuriki within Konoha that they're after.

As for Naruto's training, I think we'll learn the details about that next chapter and we won't be hearing from Hidan and Kakuzu again for a while, since they have some travelling to do, additionally, they might be dropping Yugito off at the "altar" so to speak, first. The Akatsuki probably has hidden caves everywhere where they can all gather together in hologram form, so they won't have to go far to do that.

Anyway, I think we're headed for a training arc, at the end of which the Akatsuki will come around and cause some trouble for Konoha jounin and chuunin.

Raine_Joybringer
June 29, 2006, 09:13 PM
It's rather strange that if Hidan and Kakuzu are going to the Fire Country to continue scouting if they're going to be dragging Yugito all the way along with them... wouldn't she be a burden to them? Unless they meet up with another Akatsuki pair to take her off their hands.

DarkManSharingan32
June 29, 2006, 09:14 PM
^ LoL.

Anyway... interesting chapter. Somebody said that the markers on the map might represent the locations instead of the captures - that's a good point - the only problem is that Kakuzu quite clearly said, according to Hisshou's translation, "We've still got one left." Of course that might mean that Kakuzu has to capture for himself a jinchuuriki, but that would be strange if he had been tapped to capture Naruto, which Itachi has already said is his prey. So I think Kishimoto is playing us, trying to fool us into thinking it's Naruto that they're after, when it's really another jinchuuriki within Konoha that they're after.

As for Naruto's training, I think we'll learn the details about that next chapter and we won't be hearing from Hidan and Kakuzu again for a while, since they have some travelling to do, additionally, they might be dropping Yugito off at the "altar" so to speak, first. The Akatsuki probably has hidden caves everywhere where they can all gather together in hologram form, so they won't have to go far to do that.

Anyway, I think we're headed for a training arc, at the end of which the Akatsuki will come around and cause some trouble for Konoha jounin and chuunin.


A friend of mine thinks Kurenai is that said Jinchuuriki... the 5-tailed Dog, if you must know...

Crimson
June 29, 2006, 09:21 PM
^ LoL.

Anyway... interesting chapter. Somebody said that the markers on the map might represent the locations instead of the captures - that's a good point - the only problem is that Kakuzu quite clearly said, according to Hisshou's translation, "We've still got one left." Of course that might mean that Kakuzu has to capture for himself a jinchuuriki, but that would be strange if he had been tapped to capture Naruto, which Itachi has already said is his prey. So I think Kishimoto is playing us, trying to fool us into thinking it's Naruto that they're after, when it's really another jinchuuriki within Konoha that they're after.

As for Naruto's training, I think we'll learn the details about that next chapter and we won't be hearing from Hidan and Kakuzu again for a while, since they have some travelling to do, additionally, they might be dropping Yugito off at the "altar" so to speak, first. The Akatsuki probably has hidden caves everywhere where they can all gather together in hologram form, so they won't have to go far to do that.

Anyway, I think we're headed for a training arc, at the end of which the Akatsuki will come around and cause some trouble for Konoha jounin and chuunin.


Good points. Yea I was somewhat confused as to wether the marks on the map meant captured bijuu's or estimated jinchuuriki whereabouts, so im still on the wall as to wether their captured or not. I do like the idea of another training arc though, Slow things down a bit, let Naruto get some screen time instead of kyuubi (cause really, kyuubi's getting all the Naruto battle screen time, not Naruto). Maybe a good time for someone to let slip who Naruto's parents are? Id be nice to get some background on the main character considering were 313 chapters in, lmao. We know almost everything about Sasuke but nada regarding the actual main character, and thats dissappointing. Kishi, dont let me down!

Random farfetched rambling: What IF....Kurenai was the Akatsuki leader in disguise?! She does have exactly the same eyes as he/she does, so its a complete possibility. And isnt Asuma related to the third (Asuma Sarutobi), so perhaps shes hanging out with him in an attempt to find out something about Konoha that only he might know. Again, its farfetched, but with Kishi, you never know.

Or, like the previous post just mentioned, she could be said Jinchuuriki. Hmm...that would be rather interesting.

rocker2
June 29, 2006, 09:45 PM
You know...
Kakuzu and Hidan are gonna do somethin stupid...


Are they gonna walk into Konoha with Yugito? Or will they meet up with someone like Zetsu and make a drop-off...
If the former occurs, we can expect Yugito to be rescued, and these new Akatsuki members to be overwhelmed with numbers...
---

And guys...
Yeah, Kakashi was drained from using that last attack, btu don't you think this is a bit too long?
I think something is up with him.. all that intense training, and using the Mangekyou might be killing him...

It would also give more reason for Kakashi to develop this training for Naruto... to go on and save Sasuke in his stead.

But don't worry, we'll see Kakashi fight again... but that fight will probably take his life...


I dunno.. it's just a feeling i have...
-----

Anyways, in reguards to 314:

Kakashi will talk to Asuma, and we will learn a little more about Kakashi's condition.
Eventually, Naruto and the others will come back and Kakashi will get serious... and takes Naruto to the training area.

I think we will get the outline of the training in the next chapter, and the chapter will concude with Akatsuki again. Either making the drop, or closing in on Konoha...


I agree in the fact that the MS has a large negative effect on Kakashi. However, the recovery time is not odd yet. Kakashi should require about 1.5 to 2 weeks to recover from the MS and this is how long I think it has been so far from when he used the MS.

As for the jinchurriki, I agree with the fact that those Xs could mean that those were the places Hidan and Kakuzu looked for nibi and other bijuu. However, I am still of the opinion that nibi is the last as Hidan stated. Jinchurriki shouldn't be that hard to find in most cases as they often stand out from the crowd since the crowd often shun them. Also, jinchurriki were often used for war and were used by the most powerful villages (the only ones with enough skill, ninjas and power to capture and seal a bijuu). There are not that many powerful villages meaning that it shouldn't be too hard for the Akatsuki to track the jinchurriki down.

Now, the fact that nibi was the last could mean that she was the last jinchurriki they needed to capture before Naruto. 5 definitely are in Akatsuki hands including nibi now. 3 bijuu could still be wild and not sealed at all. We'll just have to see.

As for Hidan and Kakuzu going to Fire Country, the Akatsuki hideout was just inside it's borders if I remember correctly from the save Gaara arc (or at least, that was where they did the extraction). Also, there could be another jinchuuriki in Fire Country other than Naruto not living in Konoha. Or maybe they are just going to search to see if there is another there. I doubt they are after Naruto as that would make for some very poor internal relations and I'm sure neither want to be on Itachi's bad side.

Next chapter I think we'll see some training. Kishi's reached a good place to pause the Akatsuki storyline for now as there is closure on the fight, but also suspense as to what will happen next to keep us reading :p.

gigantor21
June 29, 2006, 09:55 PM
rocker2 - For the most part, I concur. But I'll have to secnod DarkManSharingan and say that Kakashi's recovery time is really troubling, albeit for a different reason. If it's going to take this much out of him to use the Mangekyou Sharingan, which was still too unstable to kill Deidara with, then I personally don't think that he should be using it in battle yet. An incomplete technique that drains you in the middle of a fight is, to be blunt, suicidal. Kakashi needs to polish up the MS before he tries to use it again--but with the impending move on Konoha by Akatsuki, he's probably not going to get the chance.

rocker2
June 29, 2006, 10:46 PM
rocker2 - For the most part, I concur. But I'll have to secnod DarkManSharingan and say that Kakashi's recovery time is really troubling, albeit for a different reason. If it's going to take this much out of him to use the Mangekyou Sharingan, which was still too unstable to kill Deidara with, then I personally don't think that he should be using it in battle yet. An incomplete technique that drains you in the middle of a fight is, to be blunt, suicidal. Kakashi needs to polish up the MS before he tries to use it again--but with the impending move on Konoha by Akatsuki, he's probably not going to get the chance.


Very true, Kakashi needs to work on his MS. However, what we have seen here is exactly what should be happening. Kishi is making it clear that the MS is not your ordinary bloodline limit. I've seen many posts where the prediction of Kakashi using the MS for Tsukyomi or some space-time jutsu to train Naruto is widely accepted. However, if we follow what the manga is trying to logically point out, there is little chance that Kakashi can learn or use Tsukyomi, nor even should be using his own space-time doujutsu to train Naruto. Kakashi just simply does not have the chakra capacity required. Kakashi has reached his limit and whether he'll be able to expand his chakra capacity enough to use his MS space-time doujutsu without immediate to long term disabling ill effects is still to be seen. However, the implication is if Itachi uses about 30% or so of his chakra to perform a 72 hour or less Tsukyomi, then that technique maybe not possible for Kakashi at all and thus Kakashi's level remains possibly at about a third of Itachi's at best.

Sentou Ryoku
June 29, 2006, 11:13 PM
Prediction: Team 10 and 8 will be the ones to team up to face Hidan and Kakuzu when they get to Konohagakure.

Gold Knight
June 30, 2006, 12:09 AM
I just realized something... there's no marker, no 'X' in the Fire Country... so it's gotta be captured jinchuuriki :p

So Naruto probably is the last one left.

No OnE
June 30, 2006, 12:18 AM
I haven't read anybodys' ideas yet, so I still have all of my original ideas :D (Although, maybe somebody else said something similar)

Check out how Nihongaeri translated the sidebar on the last page, "Shocking strength allowing for an effortless capture of even a Jinchuuriki!! Fire Country is next... the Akatsuki pair head towards Konoha!?" Note that they said capture, maybe Yugito isn't actually dead (besides, that'd ruin the entire Akatsuki's objective if she was dead, and like Hidan is gonna screw up the plot in just his 2nd chapter). Naruto or somebody might snatch her away from them when they get to Konoha (obviously we'd see Tsunade doing the healing). If she and Naruto teamed up against them, it could get quite crazy, since she can go into full Bijuu form and Naruto will have his new Ultimate Technique along side that jutsu. But, if Yugito isn't rescued, my theory is worthless. :D

Hmm, to extend off that, maybe Naruto will snatch Yugito away with the newly-learned Hiraishin no jutsu :D (he does have a knack for learning the 4th's jutsus)

Crimson
June 30, 2006, 12:40 AM
I just realized something... there's no marker, no 'X' in the Fire Country... so it's gotta be captured jinchuuriki :p

So Naruto probably is the last one left.


Wow. I cant believe I didnt notice that when I posted the second time. Thats probably why I thought it was captured jinchuuriki's almost instantly when I first saw the map. Im going to avoid second-guessing myself in the future, lol. And because of this my theory on a possible convergance of Akatsuki members on Konoha is more viable. Also, Hidan and Kakuzu could always hand Yugito off to Zetsu (the "ïm always where the the action is at" Giant plant Akatsuki member) while on their way to the Fire Country. Either way, this means were going to see some more huge fights soon (probably in 3 - 4 chapters max), and possibly some good Naruto action.

balder
June 30, 2006, 12:43 AM
I just realized something... there's no marker, no 'X' in the Fire Country... so it's gotta be captured jinchuuriki :p

So Naruto probably is the last one left.


haha or these two haven't searched the Fire Country yet, hence the current trip there and the lack of an X on the map.

Anyway, I find it very hard to believe that Naruto is the only one left, during the Gaara rescue Deidara said that the 2 they had captured before Gaara were both shunned by their villages who refused to help them. For Naruto to be the only one left, that would mean that they somehow managed 4 other captures since Gaara which only took place a like a week prior to this chapter. If they could get 4 captures in the span of even a month, then how did they only manage at most 2 since we first saw Itachi in Konoha to now which is at least 2.5 years. Not to mention isnt the extraction supposed to take 3 days so the capture and extraction of these 4 would have required at least 12 days, and Kakashi was only supposed to be laid up for a week so I think it has barely been 7 days. I also think all are prolly sealed, at least somewhere if not in someone, since each member is suppose to find one, so their count should include all 9 beasts. I think these 2 are just looking for their next target regardless of who it is. If Naruto is next one they see, I doubt they would pass him up just to let Itachi have him for the sake of group harmony. I mean Deidara already took a shot at Naruto despite having just captured Gaara, although it was an order from the boss there, so maybe they would leave him alone.

TheGreenFlash
June 30, 2006, 12:57 AM
Since im pretty sure they will drag the girl along with them to fire country. Maybe she will have a cat leash on :p

Substance
June 30, 2006, 01:09 AM
Whats the next jinchuuriki a 3 tailed dog?

Crimson
June 30, 2006, 01:33 AM
haha or these two haven't searched the Fire Country yet, hence the current trip there and the lack of an X on the map.

Anyway, I find it very hard to believe that Naruto is the only one left, during the Gaara rescue Deidara said that the 2 they had captured before Gaara were both shunned by their villages who refused to help them. For Naruto to be the only one left, that would mean that they somehow managed 4 other captures since Gaara which only took place a like a week prior to this chapter.


It wasnt a week. Attention to detail fellow poster. Go to page 10 in chapter 275. When Sasori tells Sakura, before he dies, of where to meet the "spy" he has with Orochimaru, he says "at noon, ten days from now". So, at the very least, its about two weeks from that time, and thats taking into consideration that fight and that day as the 11th, and the day it took Yamato and gang to get back from Oro's hideout after Oro, Kabuto, and Sasuke dissappeared before there eyes, as the 12th day. I said at the very least because im also not counting the possible days in between chapters 310 and 311, where at the end of one they go to meet for their "next" mission (and their all wearing their "battle" clothing), and at the beginning of the other, Sakuras wearing her normal everyday clothes, just like Naruto. There could have very well been a week between those two chapters, and we wouldnt know.

Then after taking ALL of that into consideration; take into consideration as well, that Hidan and Kakuzu just beat the hell out of Mrs. Uber Kitty in a couple of hours, and that theres probably no doubt the rest of them would be taken care of in a similar fashion (Naruto being the exception, as the village actually CARES about him). So yes, I do think its quite believable to have every remaining bijuu captured save for Naruto's in ~ two weeks time (and hell, now that you look back, how long did it take Deidara to take out Gaara? Not that long at all; if it wasnt for Konoha, Gaara wouldve been a simple 6-8 hour round trip excursion into the wind country for some "fun" with a resident jinchuuriki).

balder
June 30, 2006, 03:00 AM
Hmmm yeah I guess i was being thrown off by the line about Kakashi needing a week(and now I notice it says 4 days had passed and it was at least a week so that really is even less important haha), I guess it has been somewhat longer, but my time for Akatsuki would need to be lengthened as well. I didn't even count fight times before, so even if they ended in seconds, I didnt count them at all so it wouldn't matter. I also said originally that I thought even 4 captures in a month's time seemed pretty fast(although that doesnt really make up for how far off my time was). Post time skip was at least 9.5 years(time skip + i think they said that they were having their first meeting in 7 years when they all heard that Orochimaru had Sasuke) since Orochimaru left the group, and in that time they only got at most 2 beasts. I guess they coulda just been doing a lot of scouting and found all the beasts, except Sasori's since he still didnt know where his was, but waited until right now to make a move on them all. But that still leaves 4 battles, travel time, 4 extractions, and finding at least one beast since the time gaara died to now. It still seems like a lot to me.

Crimson
June 30, 2006, 04:07 AM
Hmmm yeah I guess i was being thrown off by the line about Kakashi needing a week(and now I notice it says 4 days had passed and it was at least a week so that really is even less important haha), I guess it has been somewhat longer, but my time for Akatsuki would need to be lengthened as well. I didn't even count fight times before, so even if they ended in seconds, I didnt count them at all so it wouldn't matter. I also said originally that I thought even 4 captures in a month's time seemed pretty fast(although that doesnt really make up for how far off my time was). Post time skip was at least 9.5 years(time skip + i think they said that they were having their first meeting in 7 years when they all heard that Orochimaru had Sasuke) since Orochimaru left the group, and in that time they only got at most 2 beasts. I guess they coulda just been doing a lot of scouting and found all the beasts, except Sasori's since he still didnt know where his was, but waited until right now to make a move on them all. But that still leaves 4 battles, travel time, 4 extractions, and finding at least one beast since the time gaara died to now. It still seems like a lot to me.


True, but Kakuzu has all those marks on his map for a reason (and as GoldKnight reconfirmed for the rest of us, the marks represent captured bijuu, not their locations); and we have to remember that Tsunade mentioned that Akatsuki has been moving quite a bit as of late, according to her unmentioned sources. It all just seems to point to Naruto and Uber kitty being the only ones left.

Egoboo
June 30, 2006, 05:28 AM
Since im pretty sure they will drag the girl along with them to fire country. Maybe she will have a cat leash on :p

rawwwrrr :3 That would increase the chances that Jiraya is gonna safe her. Pretty sure he can sense a female on a leash in an area of aprox. 200 m*2
@Crimson: jeah, i agree with your POV. That would make sense since during the Gaara-rescue-arc, Deidara stated that Akatsuki only managed to get 2 vessels in their hands up to that point. And in the short amount of time since then, they managed to get almost all of the remaining jinchuuriki...thats what i call "moving quite a bit lately".
--->Makes perfect sense to me.

THETRUTH.com
June 30, 2006, 06:29 AM
I am still no so sure the Xs represent captured jinchuuriki since I dont remember it being stated that their are 9 of them we know their are nine bijuu. Some of them could be wild like someone mentioned.

Ninja
June 30, 2006, 06:51 AM
i think the next 10 chapters or so will be about naruto's training, then they will meet Hidan and Kakuzu. hopefully the Fire country would have setup a nice trap for them because i think the 5th knows about it in advance. and save the kitty girl from them hopefully. to be honest the 2nd strongest ninjas in the cloud country and in a complete Jinchuuriki form got finished pretty quickly. dont think those demons are all that but great chakra :P

siegfried
June 30, 2006, 09:25 AM
man how many times do I have to tell?those x's are not captured jinchuurikis.there is not an x on sand village where gaara was captured and there should be a jinchuuriki for mist and some other not marked villages.(probably you will say kisame is the jinchuuriki but he is not)

angry
June 30, 2006, 09:49 AM
Well i'm not convinced that the x'es are captures either. Kakuzu says to Hidan that its literally becoming a combing of the land... so that would indicate that its just places that they've 'combed' through. Fire not having a cross, just means that they haven't searched there yet. They are definatly going there now, but wether they are going there to find Naruto or not still remains a mystery for me. Its obvious that Kishimoto wants us to think that they are going for Naruto, but seriously.... do you rly think they are so stupid to just walk in Konoha and try to get Naruto? I think they wouldn't be so foolish, accept if they have major backup.

I'm still confused about the previous chapters remark from Hidan, saying that she's the last... i can only conclude that he was talking about the only one left of her clones or something, meaning they would be sure that she was the real body. Tbh, i think Kishimoto is rly making us guess alot here... why doesn't he just write down the ending damnit >< =P

Next chapter should be pretty obvious, Naruto will finally start training and the 'secret training method' will finally be revealed. I'm pretty sure its gonna be MS, the only other thing i could think of was Kakashi somehow copying techniques into Naruto himself or something strange like that. He is after all the 'copy'-ninja, but that would be very unlikely. The problem i have with Kakashi using MS is that he'll prob. need loads of time to recover from it again.... and that would mean he's gonna get even more 'hospital'time.... ><

I also think we'll see Hidan / Kakuzu talk some more while they arrive at the border of Konoha, or we'll see them deliver the Nekomata at a hideout or something, while they continue to travel towards Konoha.

Well thats it for my speculations ^^... Greets, Angry

marmota
June 30, 2006, 09:54 AM
Anyway... interesting chapter. Somebody said that the markers on the map might represent the locations instead of the captures - that's a good point - the only problem is that Kakuzu quite clearly said, according to Hisshou's translation, "We've still got one left." Of course that might mean that Kakuzu has to capture for himself a jinchuuriki, but that would be strange if he had been tapped to capture Naruto, which Itachi has already said is his prey. So I think Kishimoto is playing us, trying to fool us into thinking it's Naruto that they're after, when it's really another jinchuuriki within Konoha that they're after.

As for Naruto's training, I think we'll learn the details about that next chapter and we won't be hearing from Hidan and Kakuzu again for a while, since they have some travelling to do, additionally, they might be dropping Yugito off at the "altar" so to speak, first. The Akatsuki probably has hidden caves everywhere where they can all gather together in hologram form, so they won't have to go far to do that.

Anyway, I think we're headed for a training arc, at the end of which the Akatsuki will come around and cause some trouble for Konoha jounin and chuunin.
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I think the akatsuki member are in order, first gara the 1 tail, next the girl 2 tails. they will go to the fire country to search for the 3 tail jinchuuriki. I have the same opinion that you but I think the akatsuki member will go in order to the 1 to 9. we will see

waldo
June 30, 2006, 10:56 AM
has anyone here have heard of the Legend of the tailed beasts (monsters)? It is a japanese mythology where it is speculated and rather obvious that Kishimoto based the bijuus and jinchurikiis arc....

Well, based on the legend, Nekomata is really the two tailed beast... its power is really mysterious and intriguing, the power of death... since Nekomata is the Death God's pet cat... so if ever the female jinchurikii is dead, there is a possibility that it will come to life again...

but personally, i believe that she is still alive... and the two akatsuki will go to konoha with her with their plans of taking out the "other" jinchurikii (probably Naruto) and then will return to their home base to extract the bijuus... a big mistake since konoha is the best country and probably the one who can really take out the akatsuki (reason why Orochimaru is just so confident on Naruto's taking out of a couple of akatsukis...

my theories, Naruto's training inside Kakashi's Mangekyou Sharigan.., (More time for more training)

after a while, once the training is completed, the first experiment for his new and original jutsu would be a very unlucky akatsuki... (the same as Naruto's Rasengan was put to test with Kabuto... remember???) One or both of them's going down baby!!!


the legend of the tailed beasts are really interesting and if someone wants it? just tell me and i'll post my researches... (Actually from other fans who are more endevour and resourceful) Long live Naruto's action packed series!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

angry
June 30, 2006, 11:21 AM
I think the akatsuki member are in order, first gara the 1 tail, next the girl 2 tails. they will go to the fire country to search for the 3 tail jinchuuriki. I have the same opinion that you but I think the akatsuki member will go in order to the 1 to 9. we will see


That wouldn't make sense, since they took Gaara's biju third. Remember when they did the chanting and all to extract the Biju from Gaara? At that time they allready had 2 Biju's extracted from other jinchuuriki's, making Gaara the third. It would be illogical for them to suddenly change and go all 'we-have-to-get-them-in-order' on them.

Crimson
June 30, 2006, 12:26 PM
That wouldn't make sense, since they took Gaara's biju third. Remember when they did the chanting and all to extract the Biju from Gaara? At that time they allready had 2 Biju's extracted from other jinchuuriki's, making Gaara the third. It would be illogical for them to suddenly change and go all 'we-have-to-get-them-in-order' on them.


I still think Kakuzu meant that they had captured jinchuuriki's at said X's, because as an example, theres an X over the village of clouds, which he probably just added right before the readers saw the map (as they JUST captured that jinchuuriki). Its just ridiculous for him to say "one left" If they were just combing over those areas, when their no X's on many other parts of the map that are different villages. Also, marmota, the theory of it being locations has been pretty much shot down due to the fact that theirs no X over Konoha, and Akatsuki KNOWS that Naruto is there. If it were locations of jinchuuriki, there would be an X over Konoha.

maxhrk
June 30, 2006, 12:37 PM
no.... this map dont show the significant meaning of captured Demon Vessel(the dagger/X mark).


If it were, then why It didnt show X on Sunakagure which Gaara was captured of. Then This map mean for something else than marked X for Demon Vessel.

It could mean something else than what i say above.

My prediction: Those akatsuki are looking for this real Nibi Demon Vessel and that girl we saw is probably fake. (in this case genjustu? I could be wrong anyway).

spectulation, speculation. speculation. :D

Egoboo
June 30, 2006, 12:48 PM
My prediction: Those akatsuki are looking for this real Nibi Demon Vessel and that girl we saw is probably fake. (in this case genjustu? I could be wrong anyway).

Thats...one hell of a speculation indeed. A really interesting idea, but i doubt it...i suppose there is nobody in the Shinobi-world who is good enough at Genjutsu to make two S-class-missingnin believe that they are actually fighting the powers of a demon without those powers being present. Nice idea though ^^

donkeyhigh
June 30, 2006, 12:50 PM
Hehe, I really love "angry"'s signature and avatar. A perfect reflection of the new Sakura. That smile just rocks :)

Anyways, the next chapter IS named "Training begins", so it kinda gives it away, my prediction for the next chapter is.. the training begins!!
<-- Smart...


Anyway, Kakashi's gonna use his MS and throw Naruto into another dimention where time moves slower, one secound in real life equals 3 weeks in weirdo-dimention. I mean, Kakashi, regarding time: "Yeah, I found a way to work around that", Also, "I'll be there with you the whole time", well, he'll kinda have to.. :p

Also, after a few minutes IRL (that'd be about 180 weeks for Naruto) , he'll throw in a few bad-guys that he already have thrown into other dimentions, making perfect test-subjects for Naruto to try his new technique.
As always, you all know I'm right.
Of course, not regarding the time differences, how could I possibly know, but everything else, yes, I am right. That's just the way this world works.
Hm, I'm starting to sound like the old Neji.. Oh well..

Crimson
June 30, 2006, 01:30 PM
no.... this map dont show the significant meaning of captured Demon Vessel(the dagger/X mark).


If it were, then why It didnt show X on Sunakagure which Gaara was captured of. Then This map mean for something else than marked X for Demon Vessel.

It could mean something else than what i say above.

My prediction: Those akatsuki are looking for this real Nibi Demon Vessel and that girl we saw is probably fake. (in this case genjustu? I could be wrong anyway).

spectulation, speculation. speculation. :D


The map were shown doesnt display the Country of Wind, so theres no way of knowing if theres an X over that as well. My guess? There definitely is.

rocker2
June 30, 2006, 02:42 PM
Anyway, Kakashi's gonna use his MS and throw Naruto into another dimention where time moves slower, one secound in real life equals 3 weeks in weirdo-dimention. I mean, Kakashi, regarding time: "Yeah, I found a way to work around that", Also, "I'll be there with you the whole time", well, he'll kinda have to.. :p


Possible. So long as Kakashi doesn't have to maintain the MS for more than a couple of seconds, he should be fine using it. He could use the MS to open the doorway to the temporally offset dimension and then let that doorway close, thus sealing Kakashi and Naruto away from the real world. This way he only utilizes MS for a short time and once. Then when the two are finished, Kakashi opens the doorway again for a second time to let both of them out. Though this would be copying DBZ, I could still see it happening.

balder
June 30, 2006, 03:31 PM
I agree with Crimson that the Xs most likely are not locations of possible beasts, as well as the fact that the map we see isnt the whole map so part of the wind country isnt visable, and could have an X although I personally don't think it does since these two members have probably not been there. I think the "one left" is because each member of Akatsuki is supposed to provide at least one beast, or 2 from each pair, so if they just captured 1, then the pair needs 1 more to get the 2 they are required to turn in. Also, as for referred to the girl as the last one, it could be that these two are doing such a thorough search that they are finding every person they can in a country to see if they are a jinchuuriki, and if this girl was last, then they would mark off the country as searched. Although certain countries seem to have multiple marks so it is prolly each mark is a specific village they have searched. As fior what Tsunade said, Akatsuki got 2 extractions at some point in close to a decades time, if they were spread out over that time then just getting gaara and the two tails since part 2 started would be a considerable increase in their activity, or if the other 2 captures were more recent, like even in the last year or 2 then 4 captures in a couple years would be a lot of movement by Akatsuki considering how old the organization is.

It is possible Akatsuki has more then the 3 extractions and 1 capture we know about, but I don't think anything has been said or shown that can't be explained pretty easily with the two tails being the 4th capture Akatsuki has.

Crimson
June 30, 2006, 03:58 PM
I agree with Crimson that the Xs most likely are not locations of possible beasts, as well as the fact that the map we see isnt the whole map so part of the wind country isnt visable, and could have an X although I personally don't think it does since these two members have probably not been there. I think the "one left" is because each member of Akatsuki is supposed to provide at least one beast, or 2 from each pair, so if they just captured 1, then the pair needs 1 more to get the 2 they are required to turn in. Also, as for referred to the girl as the last one, it could be that these two are doing such a thorough search that they are finding every person they can in a country to see if they are a jinchuuriki, and if this girl was last, then they would mark off the country as searched. Although certain countries seem to have multiple marks so it is prolly each mark is a specific village they have searched. As fior what Tsunade said, Akatsuki got 2 extractions at some point in close to a decades time, if they were spread out over that time then just getting gaara and the two tails since part 2 started would be a considerable increase in their activity, or if the other 2 captures were more recent, like even in the last year or 2 then 4 captures in a couple years would be a lot of movement by Akatsuki considering how old the organization is.

It is possible Akatsuki has more then the 3 extractions and 1 capture we know about, but I don't think anything has been said or shown that can't be explained pretty easily with the two tails being the 4th capture Akatsuki has.


Would you mind rephrasing ALL of that? I cant quite seem to understand which position your taking, lol.

odeon
June 30, 2006, 04:47 PM
well, i thing that Kakashi will use ms on naruto to expend the time ratio, to develop his new ninjustsu, howerver i don't think we will see more than that... Then the Akatsuki new duo will make thye're apparence, and kakshi will need to stop the training (since i think casting ms on naruto and two other characters can't be done by kakashi , and akatsuki not half-assed they know sharigan and they're two against one...) so i predict naruto will came out of his head( yeah sounds strange) and show off a little bit of what he developed

ps: lot of people seems to think that sharingan can transfer one's spirit into another dimension but i m not so sure about that, sharigan can control the time in a genjustu but remenber genjustsu principaly act on brain, i mean some modification and u can actualy feel pain, be bloqued in you're head and even feel the time flowing differently (yes there's a part of the brain involved in time perspective) or even be killed... but there's proof that a sharingan user can use space time ninjutsu so... who knows

Skeith
June 30, 2006, 05:06 PM
i don't quite like the idea of kakashi using the ms on naruto, because of its dbz like quality (although i like dbz, just this isn't supposed to be dbz) but i can't think of any other way for kakashi to slow time down. maybe kishi will go so far as to have kakashi use it on naruto but i don't know

cerventus
June 30, 2006, 07:59 PM
Thats...one hell of a speculation indeed. A really interesting idea, but i doubt it...i suppose there is nobody in the Shinobi-world who is good enough at Genjutsu to make two S-class-missingnin believe that they are actually fighting the powers of a demon without those powers being present. Nice idea though ^^


Maybe Itachi the weasel?

The other thing is why everyone is looking as if Kakashi is a guy low in charkra? Sure he may not have freeflow chakra like Naruto but i think his capacity after years of training is quite high. I am quite sure we have not see Kakashi in full using his White Fang sword, chidori and sharigan. Anyway I think that using MS is really harmful to the body as shown concern by Kisime toward Itachi. Also when Kakashi faught with Zabuza, this guys is quite a powerful oponent.

Also MS training for Naruto is a given. Also i think Hidan will visit a temple in Konoha to pray .

THETRUTH.com
June 30, 2006, 08:27 PM
Maybe Itachi the weasel?

The other thing is why everyone is looking as if Kakashi is a guy low in charkra? Sure he may not have freeflow chakra like Naruto but i think his capacity after years of training is quite high. I am quite sure we have not see Kakashi in full using his White Fang sword, chidori and sharigan. Anyway I think that using MS is really harmful to the body as shown concern by Kisime toward Itachi. Also when Kakashi faught with Zabuza, this guys is quite a powerful oponent.

Also MS training for Naruto is a given. Also i think Hidan will visit a temple in Konoha to pray .



Thanx for making these point some were starting to act like because Kakashi has a weakness he is weak. Good Post! :thumbs

rocker2
June 30, 2006, 10:30 PM
well, i thing that Kakashi will use ms on naruto to expend the time ratio, to develop his new ninjustsu, howerver i don't think we will see more than that... Then the Akatsuki new duo will make thye're apparence, and kakshi will need to stop the training (since i think casting ms on naruto and two other characters can't be done by kakashi , and akatsuki not half-assed they know sharigan and they're two against one...) so i predict naruto will came out of his head( yeah sounds strange) and show off a little bit of what he developed

ps: lot of people seems to think that sharingan can transfer one's spirit into another dimension but i m not so sure about that, sharigan can control the time in a genjustu but remenber genjustsu principaly act on brain, i mean some modification and u can actualy feel pain, be bloqued in you're head and even feel the time flowing differently (yes there's a part of the brain involved in time perspective) or even be killed... but there's proof that a sharingan user can use space time ninjutsu so... who knows


Kakashi can use space-time ninjutsu and will highly unlikely use his MS on Naruto. If he uses his MS, he will use it to open a doorway to a different dimension just like he did to get rid of that exploding Deidara clone. Once the dimensional doorway is opened, he and Naruto will go to the other dimension to train. Kakashi will need to go since he will need to use his MS to reopen the doorway back to the real world once the training is over. However, under no circumstances is he using his MS on Naruto nor is he maintaining any MS-type jutsu for more than a couple seconds. This is why such a scenario is possible, even if it is DBZ-like.



The other thing is why everyone is looking as if Kakashi is a guy low in charkra? Sure he may not have freeflow chakra like Naruto but i think his capacity after years of training is quite high. I am quite sure we have not see Kakashi in full using his White Fang sword, chidori and sharigan. Anyway I think that using MS is really harmful to the body as shown concern by Kisime toward Itachi. Also when Kakashi faught with Zabuza, this guys is quite a powerful oponent.


Kakashi has much chakra. That is a given. The problem is that the MS uses huge amounts of chakra and Kakashi was not an Uchiha to begin with meaning genetics results in his usage of the sharingan to be wasteful of chakra. For Itachi to maintain Tsukyomi for a couple seconds in the real world (72 hours in the world of the grasping moon), he uses at least 30% of his chakra capacity. That is a huge amount, especially for a ninja who is at or near Sannin level and is a natural sharingan user. Using both amateratsu and tsukyomi almost tires Itachi out. This is why Kakashi, though he can handle his personally created space-time doujutsu for a couple seconds (likely uses much less chakra since he created it), probably can't use Tsukyomi and other MS jutsus Itachi uses (which were created with a natural sharingan user in mind).

Ishiken
June 30, 2006, 10:33 PM
The Sharingan seem to have an inordinate drain on his stamina as well as his Chakra. He can't instantly pull of MS and requires time to build up the Chakra needed. Itachi seems to also have difficulties with Sharingan, but Itachi also seems to have a much larger Chakra supply. Sasuke on the other hand seems to use less Chakra when he is using Sharingan and may not have the same weaknesses that Itachi and Kakashi have. Kakashi as Itachi put it is well suited to the Sharingan he recieved, but is not equal to him.

I just wish more time was spent showing the individual strengths of the characters, rather then thier weaknesses. I really want another good fight like Sasori gave, but at the same time villians like Haku, Zabuza and Sasori seem to die far too soon it would be nice to have some more recurring villians to join Itachi, Kisame, Kabuto and Orochimaru.
Personally I think Orochimaru has been overdone he needs to die.

gold lion
June 30, 2006, 11:42 PM
i just hope he isn't making a quick exit for the series, because that fight was fast. it could've been stretched out quite a bit more, but as predictions go, just training intro ( no actual), and akatsuki gathers

balder
July 01, 2006, 12:38 AM
Would you mind rephrasing ALL of that? I cant quite seem to understand which position your taking, lol.


haha yeah i guess i kinda wrote everything together as i was thinking about it. I was just agreeing with you that the lack of an X in the Wind Country doesn't really point to anything since we can't see the whole country in the shot they show of the map. The rest was just why I think that the 2 tails is just the 4th capture, but that I am not 100% sure I am right and you are wrong. My points were just that:

1. you're the last one could refer to the last person they came to as they searched the village, or the last member of a team.

2. since each pair needs to capture 2 beasts, capturing this 1 means this pair needs 1 more, it doesn't mean that the whole organization just needs one more.

saskaknarsak
July 01, 2006, 01:24 AM
as for a prediction i think that hidan and kazuku will meet up with naruto and the others during their training and when they fight up with akatsuki naruto would develop his own jutsu during the heat of battle

TheGreenFlash
July 01, 2006, 01:56 AM
Naruto is going to leave for training while the two new akatsuki head to fire country to find him. Possibly naruto will have the jutsu ready by the time they get there but knowing this series. Naruto will finally be able to use the jutsu in battle.

QMark
July 01, 2006, 02:59 AM
haha yeah i guess i kinda wrote everything together as i was thinking about it. I was just agreeing with you that the lack of an X in the Wind Country doesn't really point to anything since we can't see the whole country in the shot they show of the map. The rest was just why I think that the 2 tails is just the 4th capture, but that I am not 100% sure I am right and you are wrong. My points were just that:

1. you're the last one could refer to the last person they came to as they searched the village, or the last member of a team.

2. since each pair needs to capture 2 beasts, capturing this 1 means this pair needs 1 more, it doesn't mean that the whole organization just needs one more.


Well...actually everything that's been given it is very safe to assume Naruto is the last jinchuuriki left. Otherwise the whole scene with Tsunade mentioning Akatsuki is "really on the move" was pretty much not needed.

My prediction for next chapter? Kakashi will just be out the hospital and will mention the training method to Naruto. Naruto will then be the clueless ninja he is and question everything, opening up for another Ninja 101 explanation by Kakashi. I'm not entirely sure on how fast Hidan and "Evil God" worshipper will get to Konoha but I am sure that it will be within the next 2-3 chapters. So many things to cover and so little time. I guess this is Kishi's way of keeping us busy with the storyline. Also another prediction of mine is that Sai will go around Konoha meeting new ninja's and creating nicknames for everyone. Accompanied by Sakura and Ino of course.

Egoboo
July 01, 2006, 03:48 AM
I'm not entirely sure on how fast Hidan and "Evil God" worshipper will get to Konoha but I am sure that it will be within the next 2-3 chapters.

Hidan = "Evil God" worshipper, Kakuzu = weird guy with weird eyes, but i agree on the rest.


Also another prediction of mine is that Sai will go around Konoha meeting new ninja's and creating nicknames for everyone. Accompanied by Sakura and Ino of course.

Of course...let´s bet on how long it will Ino take to start calling him Sai-kun and how Sakura will react to Ino jumping at him in every possible situation...honestly, that would piss me off. I hated that "Sasuke-kun! ZOMFGBBQ, i want your children cause your teh smex!"-stuff she was into. Please Kishi, some character developement for Ino, too? Not just new outfit and bigger...boots, but also a bit of maturity.
The idea of following the "Sai becomes more like a human"-subplot on the other hand (without said nonsense) sounds like fun to me. However i´m afraid Kishi will be a lit outta time if Hidan and Kakuzu are really heading for Konoha. No time for subplots, Naruto´s training will most likely be more important in that case. Well, we´ll see.

gold lion
July 01, 2006, 03:51 AM
Well...actually everything that's been given it is very safe to assume Naruto is the last jinchuuriki left. Otherwise the whole scene with Tsunade mentioning Akatsuki is "really on the move" was pretty much not needed.

My prediction for next chapter? Kakashi will just be out the hospital and will mention the training method to Naruto. Naruto will then be the clueless ninja he is and question everything, opening up for another Ninja 101 explanation by Kakashi. I'm not entirely sure on how fast Hidan and "Evil God" worshipper will get to Konoha but I am sure that it will be within the next 2-3 chapters. So many things to cover and so little time. I guess this is Kishi's way of keeping us busy with the storyline. Also another prediction of mine is that Sai will go around Konoha meeting new ninja's and creating nicknames for everyone. Accompanied by Sakura and Ino of course.
nah it just means they've been spotted near the country border, and the anbu means the information was gained while spying on the other country as is anbu's job. as for how worried i am about them actually assaulting konoha? naruto at one tails is probably as powerful as nibi-chan, and kyuubi has a habit of dismembering idiots who [censored] with him, i don't think hidan or kakuzu's same body reincarnation jutsu or praying to whatever wicked god, is gonna save em' if they are beaten to a bloody pulp. don't forget you are dealin' with the [cencored] nine tails here for [cencored] sake geez.
i think they were searching too, and as they said that i assumed there was another jinchuuriki in konoha that no one knew about.
btw, anyone notice that when kurenai faught itachi, she tried to ensnare him in a TREE( bells, whistles, red flags)
does anyone get the gist of my meaning? hinting at a new jinchuuriki, that image of her casting genjutsu at itachi, and using a tree as a weapon!
is she the five tailed genjutsu casting dog's jinchuuriki?

Egoboo
July 01, 2006, 04:31 AM
Unlikely, i guess that´s just a genjutsu that has nothing to do with on of the bijuu. On a second note, if she was a jinchuuriki, there would be two ways things could be:
1. nobody knew about it -----> everyone in Konoha, including ANBU and the Hokage are stupid. Stupid as fuck for not being able to see it.
2. everybody/somebody knew it -----> Naruto is gonna be pissed. He was/is hated and she is a recognized and respected Junin? ouchi >.<
But as i said, thats only speculation, and a very far stretched one. I don´t believe the type of her jutsu can be seen as a clue in that way....someone (dunno who, but it was in this forum) said that since we will probably never see the Isonade-vessel, Kisame is some kind of a way for Kishi to bring that part of the original legend into the manga. He is not a jinchuuriki but has the looks and the abilities to reasemble a possible jinchuuriki, plus he has a sword named Samehada which is the name of one of Isonade´s subordinates in legend. Maybe it´s the same with Kurenai.
And i doubt even that...that jutsu does not mean anything. It´s just a nice-looking genjutsu. Full stop.

alaindc
July 01, 2006, 06:57 AM
sooo... oro-san is no eight-tail?? =^_^=

pyanz
July 01, 2006, 08:23 AM
imo.. naruto will not be able to complete his special trainning since the Akatsuki members are going for him..and i don think Tsunade' plans can stop them from chasing naruto

laughing@you
July 01, 2006, 10:59 AM
imo.. naruto will not be able to complete his special trainning since the Akatsuki members are going for him..and i don think Tsunade' plans can stop them from chasing naruto


I really think his gonna be able to finish his training at the nick of time. The same way he learned the Rasengan. Ok given, he took a long time to learned it. But as kakashi mentioned he thought of a way to make the training shorter. Probably he learned the technique Itachi used to whoop his butt the first time they faced off, to make naruto spend years or months doing training when it really only passed like a few hours. And probably he won't do it over night meaning that because of the chakra consumption he would only perform it in small periods of time each day, so like each day would be like a year of training.

Or probably something else.

Tsunade cannot foiled their plans? I don't see them standing a chance against konoha. And do you really think that those guys stand a chance against Tsunade and Jiraiya at the same time?

Adam_xx
July 01, 2006, 11:00 AM
imo.. naruto will not be able to complete his special trainning since the Akatsuki members are going for him..and i don think Tsunade' plans can stop them from chasing naruto


Ahh~
You underestimate Tsunade-dono...
She's is after all a Hokage... xP

gold lion
July 01, 2006, 01:11 PM
I really think his gonna be able to finish his training at the nick of time. The same way he learned the Rasengan. Ok given, he took a long time to learned it. But as kakashi mentioned he thought of a way to make the training shorter. Probably he learned the technique Itachi used to whoop his butt the first time they faced off, to make naruto spend years or months doing training when it really only passed like a few hours. And probably he won't do it over night meaning that because of the chakra consumption he would only perform it in small periods of time each day, so like each day would be like a year of training.

Or probably something else.

Tsunade cannot foiled their plans? I don't see them standing a chance against konoha. And do you really think that those guys stand a chance against Tsunade and Jiraiya at the same time?


spot on guy, makes perfect sense, but i wonder how he's gonna pull this off, did he actually learn tsukyomi.

Crimson
July 01, 2006, 01:14 PM
imo.. naruto will not be able to complete his special trainning since the Akatsuki members are going for him..and i don think Tsunade' plans can stop them from chasing naruto


You seem to have forgotten that Hidan and Kakuzu are in The Country of Lightning. Their rather far from Konoha, and its going to take them some time to travel there anyway. Considering Kakashi said the training would be really fast, I can see Naruto learning w/e jutsu it is that he will be learning by the time those two get to Konoha.

Jus_a_drifter
July 01, 2006, 01:47 PM
Oro is 8-tails ? well i dunno bout that, I mean yea he uses a lot of snake jutsus and even looks like one , but why would atasuki who are s'pposedly stronger than oro just let him walk out with a bijuu, don't know if i believe that one.

As far as the training session goes this is how i see it , it could go two ways; he'll learn it super quickly and it'll become second nature like how he learned kage bushin or it'll be like the rasengan he'll learn it but it'll only be really good when he fights with it.

As for the training, isn't tsukyomi a genjustu , then does it really need to be that spefic one or can any genjutsu control time and space as the user sees fit? So I believe thats what Kakashi'll do , cus doesn't MS hurt 'em pretty badly ?

also naruto is quick learner,yeah rasengan took "long" but releative to the 4th he learned it in the 4th's infancy in terms of time.

One more thing, when Hidan and kakuzu were looking at their map they were 7 X's, and someone was saying that Suna is not on there <how they know that is a complete mystery to me> and in conjuction that they, the X's, represent the jinchuuriki caught ergo there is only 1 , being naruto, left. Well thats all well and good but riddle me this , if "atak" is such a well organized syndicate why is it that they don't know that sand was caught and extracted , we have seen that particular people are after particular jinchuuriki so why would they be after naruto when itachi is after him , which leaves me to believe they are just sweeping. Atak looks like they travel in groups of two , so i suspect that they, hidan and Kakuzu, got one jinchuuriki they were assigned to or chose and they are after the other, if they really are nine bijuu in naruverise, so i really don't think they are intentionally going for naruto but another in fire country , which if it is what people say it is, is pretty big, but i ain't too sure if in this series there is one village per country , plus jinchuuriki are often shun so i suspect that some/most don't have a village to call their own and are prolly moving constantly and more that likely don't go back to a place where they visited already, so that why Atak's two has some many x's when they only supposed to get two jinchuuriki.

but hey I maybe wrong as for my prediction: of course training of naruto, i suspect root may appear and i believe atak two will meet/encounter itachi/kisame and something will play out , too early to say what but it seems to me that once atak has a chance to get one it doesn't really care who get's it BUT i do believe they don't go search for each other's "prey", plus we see that certain members have certain preferences when it comes to who they go after.

THETRUTH.com
July 01, 2006, 02:05 PM
It is worth mentioning Jiraiya hasnt had a fight at full power yet either. If he is there I dont know that Naruto will need to get involved but that doesnt mean he wont.

Prediction:
Naruto & Kakashi talk about his training. Tsunade & Shizune will discuss possible plans for dealing with Akatsuki maybe a meeting with The Anbu Captain(from the Third/Oro battle), advisors, and Jiraiya.

laughing@you
July 01, 2006, 02:06 PM
spot on guy, makes perfect sense, but i wonder how he's gonna pull this off, did he actually learn tsukyomi.


Well its just a theory, we have seing Kakashi do some pretty sick stuff with that eye. So I wouldn't be surprise if he pulled it off. Remember Kakashi is considered Tensai (Genious). so who knows.

Furthermore I don't think Hidan/Kakuzo are after naruto, I think they have another objective. Which in the storyline makes it a little more interesting cuz does two will start making a fuzz in the Fire Country and probably open an opportunity for nibi to be rescued. And probably show a Naruto more in control and powerfull that treatens Akatsuki's plan.

After nibi being rescued for some reason she has the power or the information of finding the rest of the jinchuurikis, opening a whole new arc about gathering the rest of the jinchuuriki's.

The unlimited posibilities that this story can take makes me ancious.!!!!

Skeith
July 01, 2006, 02:26 PM
The unlimited posibilities that this story can take makes me ancious.!!!!
yeah... can't wait to see what kishi makes up

rocker2
July 01, 2006, 02:32 PM
Oro is 8-tails ? well i dunno bout that, I mean yea he uses a lot of snake jutsus and even looks like one , but why would atasuki who are s'pposedly stronger than oro just let him walk out with a bijuu, don't know if i believe that one.

Spot on. Not to mention the death god jutsu is dependant on chakra capacity. If Oro had bijuu chakra to draw upon as well, the 3rd would never of have been able to seal away Oro's arms nor would they have been locked in combat for so long.



As for the training, isn't tsukyomi a genjustu , then does it really need to be that spefic one or can any genjutsu control time and space as the user sees fit? So I believe thats what Kakashi'll do , cus doesn't MS hurt 'em pretty badly ?

True. We might see MS, but not for any genjutsu. If Kakashi had the ability to perform Tsukyomi, it would have been much more effective against Deidara than his space-time jutsu. Eye contact would be all that is required to thrust Deidara into a world where he could be broken down easily. Kakashi's space-time jutsu had the problem of being too slow. Thus very inefficient. However, Kakashi has the ability to open up doorways to other dimensions with his doujutsu. This ability also doesn't require him to continously use his MS. It takes only a couple of seconds to complete and is only a one time deal. Why use genjutsu to train the mind when you can train one's whole body in the open. Also, genjutsu in general cannot distort time or space. Tsukyomi just allows the genjutsu user to set up a false world inside the target where normal genjutsus manipulate the mind of the target to make them think the world surrounding them is distorted. By setting up the false world inside the target, far more manipulation can be done in a shorter period of time due to the speed of thoughts. This is why Tsukyomi is so much more powerful than other genjutsus.

An additional note is that the other dimension, if this storyline is used, not only provides a way for Naruto to get much stronger in very little time in the real world, but also completely hides him from the Akatsuki and keeps him from knowing what's occurring in the real world so he won't be distracted during training.

gold lion
July 01, 2006, 07:22 PM
after the training, i expect a goku meets ginyu, type beatdown, on the poor folks heading towards konoha at the moment. i like the way kishi is seting this up though. asfor for surpassing kakashi, will he be moving faster than sharingan can see?

Amano
July 01, 2006, 08:19 PM
surpassing kakashi in a short period of time sounds lame .. especially if it is only because of one jutsu ... what could it possibly be and how can someone like kakashi be surpassed by someone who only knows one technique more but has 10 years lesse expirience? especially kakashi who, as a copy ninja, should know dozens of jutsus ... i just hope the author is gonna be creative here ...

Raine_Joybringer
July 01, 2006, 08:24 PM
If Kakashi is right, then Naruto would only surpass him at using this one particular technique he's speaking about. It doesn't mean Naruto will surpass him totally, just at performing this jutsu. It's different. Naruto would probably only surpass in the amount of power he could put it into the jutsu, not actually the experience, detail, and knowledge of using it.

parin87
July 01, 2006, 08:53 PM
I think that Akatsuki is on the way to konoha with the kat and they will bring more than 2 akatsuki members. However, they are going to be greeted with a welcoming committee. They are going to loose "the kat". I don't see kakashi fighting much since he is still recovering from the previous battle. I also think that the training kakashi is talking about is where naruto fights with the kubi inside of him. That is why he will surpass Kakashi and is especially dangerous. I think that the reason that other guy wanted to talk to Kakashi is to convince him that the training in store for naruto is too dangerous. He probably didn't want to talk about it infront of the girl because it is going to be a secret training.

gold lion
July 01, 2006, 08:59 PM
surpassing kakashi in a short period of time sounds lame .. especially if it is only because of one jutsu ... what could it possibly be and how can someone like kakashi be surpassed by someone who only knows one technique more but has 10 years lesse expirience? especially kakashi who, as a copy ninja, should know dozens of jutsus ... i just hope the author is gonna be creative here ...
well if it's tsukyomi then he will definately train to the point of keeping up with kakashi, but also naruto's chakra never dips or ebbs. like after oro [cencored] up his chakra control and access to kyuubi chakra, he still went all out to the point where kabuto says if he learns to control his chakra, he'll be a monster!!! and i would like to state again, that is after like 10 days in the forrest of death, dog tired, has huge chakra limiter placed on him to the point he can't even focus to do the water training, he turns to the whole team, in a henge fights, gets tired gets back up and still gets the winning punch in showing up sasuke and kabuto, again with the [cencored] seal on him!!!
just being able to keep up with kakashi( wich people forget has the ms; so's like keeping up with itachi level) makes him heads and above if not just on par with the members of akatsuki. but wait , theres' more he still has that insane stamina, so! just who will be able to keep up with him?
hidan and kakuzu are in for the beating of a lifetime![br][size=1]Posted on: July 01, 2006, 08:55:45 PM

If Kakashi is right, then Naruto would only surpass him at using this one particular technique he's speaking about. It doesn't mean Naruto will surpass him totally, just at performing this jutsu. It's different. Naruto would probably only surpass in the amount of power he could put it into the jutsu, not actually the experience, detail, and knowledge of using it.
i think whats gonna happen in training, is kakashi is just gonna up naruto's basic stats and chakra control to kakashi's level using the ms, then whatever jutsu he does learn will be that much scarier at that stat level, hence the whole might surpass me thing.
oh yeah 3 to 1 odds you don't even see his whiskers darken, when he tears them a new one.

THETRUTH.com
July 01, 2006, 09:11 PM
Kakashi is strong but it might not be as significant for Naruto(although still very impressive) as it would be for others. As Naruto has far more potential than most this includes Kakashi. What if the original jutsu each shinobi comes up with is directly related to their potential Chidori-Kakashi & Rasengan-The Yellow Flash. The jutsu that Naruto learns or more accurately the process undergone to obtain such a jutsu combined with Narutos potenetial might allow him to surpass Kakashi in several areas but not all.

rocker2
July 01, 2006, 09:51 PM
Kakashi is strong but it might not be as significant for Naruto(although still very impressive) as it would be for others. As Naruto has far more potential than most this includes Kakashi. What if the original jutsu each shinobi comes up with is directly related to their potential Chidori-Kakashi & Rasengan-The Yellow Flash. The jutsu that Naruto learns or more accurately the process undergone to obtain such a jutsu combined with Narutos potenetial might allow him to surpass Kakashi in several areas but not all.


Agreed. An ultimate jutsu can be seen to reflect a ninja's ultimate abilities and potential. Kakashi might know thousands of jutsus, however the space-time doujutsu he is able to perform with his MS now defines him and what he is capable of. Kakashi had to maximize his chakra capacity, refine his sharingan and attain very high levels of precision focus and speed to be able to perform his doujutsu. In the development of an ultimate jutsu, one's abilities must be raised to the level required to perform the jutsu. It is for this reason that if two ultimate jutsus are equal in their attack, defence, etc. capability, then the two combatants using them should be of equal level as well, regardless of the amount of jutsus either combatant knows. As soon as Naruto acquired rasengan, his skill and ability became on par with Sasuke. Even if we didn't see the entire fight between Naruto and Sasuke in the valley of the end, seeing the sequence where rasengan and chidori, Naruto and Sasuke's ultimate jutsus at the time, cancelled each other out, we would know the two were equal combatants.

What was stated by Kakashi was that Naruto would be creating his ultimate jutsu. In this process, he'll need to draw on his current ability and improve himself to whatever level his creation requires. Kakashi may have suggestions for what Naruto's ultimate jutsu should incorporate, but it will be up to Naruto in the end to construct it. If this technique is to surpass Kakashi, then in short, the jutsu will need chakra control, chakra capacity, focus and speed greater than what's required for Kakashi's ultimate jutsu. The fact that Kakashi's ultimate jutsu manipulates space-time foreshadows Naruto's jutsu's ability to equal or surpass that aspect. Thus for those hoping for Hirashin or something incorporating it, there's a good chance that we will see a Hirashin-like aspect to the technique Naruto will create as there are not many ways to manipulate space-time on such a high level. However, the jutsu will also not be Hirashin as well, since Hirashin does not incorporate an attack, which Kakashi's space-time doujutsu does.

gold lion
July 01, 2006, 11:21 PM
Agreed. An ultimate jutsu can be seen to reflect a ninja's ultimate abilities and potential. Kakashi might know thousands of jutsus, however the space-time doujutsu he is able to perform with his MS now defines him and what he is capable of. Kakashi had to maximize his chakra capacity, refine his sharingan and attain very high levels of precision focus and speed to be able to perform his doujutsu. In the development of an ultimate jutsu, one's abilities must be raised to the level required to perform the jutsu. It is for this reason that if two ultimate jutsus are equal in their attack, defence, etc. capability, then the two combatants using them should be of equal level as well, regardless of the amount of jutsus either combatant knows. As soon as Naruto acquired rasengan, his skill and ability became on par with Sasuke. Even if we didn't see the entire fight between Naruto and Sasuke in the valley of the end, seeing the sequence where rasengan and chidori, Naruto and Sasuke's ultimate jutsus at the time, cancelled each other out, we would know the two were equal combatants.

What was stated by Kakashi was that Naruto would be creating his ultimate jutsu. In this process, he'll need to draw on his current ability and improve himself to whatever level his creation requires. Kakashi may have suggestions for what Naruto's ultimate jutsu should incorporate, but it will be up to Naruto in the end to construct it. If this technique is to surpass Kakashi, then in short, the jutsu will need chakra control, chakra capacity, focus and speed greater than what's required for Kakashi's ultimate jutsu. The fact that Kakashi's ultimate jutsu manipulates space-time foreshadows Naruto's jutsu's ability to equal or surpass that aspect. Thus for those hoping for Hirashin or something incorporating it, there's a good chance that we will see a Hirashin-like aspect to the technique Naruto will create as there are not many ways to manipulate space-time on such a high level. However, the jutsu will also not be Hirashin as well, since Hirashin does not incorporate an attack, which Kakashi's space-time doujutsu does.
it doesn't even have to be that complicated, just being able to atain the same level of basic stats for naruto, implies superiority, like sasuke who gained lee's speed, but for like a minute then gets tired. if naruto gained kakashi's speed remember, he never gets tired. so if he attains anyones level it's all downhill for them in that fight , if anything he usually escalates the power/ability level. for example; he attains that level with kakashi plainly through controlled training( assuming what i said happens and he can keep up with kakashi at normal naruto level) he fights, takes out hidan, has to fight kakuzu, but kakuzu is insanely strong, and hidan revives through his ritual. this is fighting twoo akatsuki members to a standstill, what happens when he ups the chakra output like he did against gaara, neiji, oro( in the forrest of death). those instances are orders of magnitude above his regular level, and no tail, just completely focused, concise combat, naruto style. so back to my point. if he can keep up with kakashi at all, the sharingan( ms i mean) can't track/copy his movements/jutsu. thats' it it's over, if he can outpace the ms, there is no need to learn hiraishin, because his regular basic movements are just as fast. btw if kakashi constantly trains him at this level playing catch up to each other, it's quite posible he could just completely outclass itachi in speed and level.

DeathcBlood
July 01, 2006, 11:34 PM
I have to agree with both you Shishi-o and rocker2 both of those are excellent outcomes of what might just happen and puts the prediction i was gonna post to shame.

Remus
July 02, 2006, 04:11 AM
Well Naruto theoreticly surpasses everyone in Konoha. But power is not everything like Nekomata taught us. Complete control and more experience is what naruto need. Give him that and its over. Using his own power and Kyuubis in a combo is deadly. It would be very nice if Naruto would be able to learn a jutsu where he can endure the kyuubis chakra without getting damaged. Like a chakra cloak surrounding his skin and protects it from the injuries. Full power Kyuubi Naruto is what Akatsuki and Oro fears I suppose.

Snake1786
July 02, 2006, 06:08 AM
I think that Kauzuu and Hidan are not heading to Konoha without a plan or other team members. I mean they are not dumb they are akatsuki and as for kakashi teaching naruto some new jutsu with MS is bullshit because he used it one time against Deidara and he was fucked up for 2 weeks or so. So more possible for me is that he will tell him that Yondaime was his father and tell him the secret Jutsus of the uzumaki family it cant happen in one week and it is partly ridiculous but he we are in a forum :s :noworry.[br]Posted on: July 02, 2006, 05:51:44 AM_________________________________________________

Ahh~
You underestimate Tsunade-dono...
She's is after all a Hokage... xP


I dont like that tsunade-dono she cant win against an unarmed Orichimaru so forget her.

Egoboo
July 02, 2006, 06:17 AM
I think that Kauzuu and Hidan are not heading to Konoha without a plan or other team members. I mean they are not dumb they are akatsuki [...]

And Akatsuki are human beings. Human beings tend to make mistakes, tend to underestimate enemys, especially since they just managed to capture a jinchuuriki with little to no effort. That could surely give them a boost in self-esteem, maybe even one that is too large for their own good.


I dont like that tsunade-dono she cant win against an unarmed Orichimaru so forget her.

She did punch the shit out of a well trained Orochimaru while being weakened and out of training herself...thats quite an acomplishment...also, if you go with that criteria, you should forget about everyone. With the exception of Jiraya and Itachi, most likely. Orochimaru is one of the strongest Shinobi alive and not being able to kill him does not make someone weak....at least thats what i´m thinking.

Snake1786
July 02, 2006, 06:33 AM
Yes your maybe true that they are human beings but they are also ninjas you know what I mean if they would do the mistake and attack a great military village like Konoha they are not worth to be called ninjas no matter how strong they are.

donkeyhigh
July 02, 2006, 08:19 AM
Prediction (not making a new dimention with other timerules):

Genjutsu, controlling the chakra of your opponents nervous-system, thus being able to controll their mind through a complex technique. Kakashi's taken this term to an whole new level with his dōjutsu, making him a master of Gen-jutsu.
Now, as he's quite familliar with the Sharingan-Copy-Techniques, I would think it's safe to say as he's been called "Copy Ninja Kakashi" throughout the countries, he knows how the Sharingan works, and how to copy techniques.

What if, he uses his Sharingan, preforms a complex gen-jutsu on Naruto with his dōjutsu, in which he does the exact opposite of what he's been doing all these years. When performing Gen-jutsu, you can find information from your opponents mind. (Copying techniques, find information) , what if Kakashi were to LEARN Naruto's brain new information instead. What if he learned Naruto all of those 1000 techniques he's copied during his life, into Naruto's brain, in just a splitt secound?
And as a nice finish, he would learn Naruto all the secrets of all techniques, chakra-controll, everything, making it easier for Naruto to make a perfectly fitting new technique for himself, which he could use together with his other new-learned techniques.

It sounds a bit Matrix, yes, I know, Naruto suddenly waking up from his Gen-jutsu, saying "I know Kung-Fu", Kakashi replying, "Show me.".
But hell, I really thought of this, even before I noticed it was a lot like The Matrix.

I think it's a nice idea.. :)

Any thougts?

Egoboo
July 02, 2006, 10:53 AM
For some reason, i just had to watch "Narutrix" after i read your post, pjoto....
Anyway, i think thats a bit far stretched simply because that would boost Naruto to be truly able to "surpass" Kakashi...and not just in some aspects, but also a shinobi in general...i don´t see this happening anytime soon. Your idea was interesting, though. I think using a Genjutsu in that way might be extremely hard and almost impossible to even think of a way to do it...but i guess its possible after all.

Jus_a_drifter
July 02, 2006, 11:39 AM
@ those who think Naruto can't/only in some areas surpass Kakashi,

riddle me this: when Naruto learned the rasengan didn't he have to learn how to control his charaka, manipulate it , confine it with a paper layer of more chakara and do all this before he could do the move properly , didn't he have to learn to focus on charaka, send it to his feet , oppose the water (i think it has charka too but i ain't too sure) ,b4 he walk on it ?

So then I ask you , if he has to learn a jutsu so bad ass that it put the rasengan to shame why for the love of all things pure and sweet and holy in this world can't the JOURNEY, the process through which he gets from here to there, make him a better shinobi than Kakashi, if this jutsu is some bangin' that it has only be thought of but never manifested, then maybe you have to put youself into an almost perfect condition to even think about learning it , hmmmmm?

Come on guys, if the man says he'll surpass him , he'll surpass him, if kishi makes that he does it with it only one jutsu, he does it with one jutsu , Kishi has a style as to how naruto learning something, he either grasps it quickly and therefore it has no effect on his development , or it take his a while ,like to climb the tree, to learn rasengan and to learn this new badass jutsu,that makes him a better shinobi, so please let it on fold and stop da hating, come~~~on~~~don't~~~be~~~maaadd :D

Ruth
July 02, 2006, 11:41 AM
well, ive read the chapter and .... yugito is also a religion type? :oh apart from that, i really like the deco on her pants and shes kinda cute too. :amuse
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what the f**k just happened between the frames?!! :darn

"he sure feels axious" - kakashi
something fishy is going on here ...
if kurenai hadnt come in ...

kakashi : and ur talk asuma?
asuma : ....
kakashi : hrm?? :notrust
asuma : *blush* me and kurenai are getting married ... and i want u to be my best man.
kakashi : huh?! :blink
ahh heck, who knows. :amuse

this is something im really looking forward to. the main character kicking ass. i havent felt this "rush" since ichigo's bankai training :amuse HOPEFULLY its not something like ms time-chamber shiz or genjutsu shiz that everyones been coming up with. :notrust

anyway, shortcuts kakashi came up with are going to be cut alot more shorter since kakuzu and hidan are coming thier way. this is the time bebeh! time for to naruto show his pure talents! :amuse



It sounds a bit Matrix, yes, I know, Naruto suddenly waking up from his Gen-jutsu, saying "I know Kung-Fu", Kakashi replying, "Show me.".
But hell, I really thought of this, even before I noticed it was a lot like The Matrix.

well, thatll be fun, but that my friend wouldnt fit to what kakashi said. "u might surpass me". it wouldnt mean he "might" but "will" surely surpass kakashi. :noworry

Egoboo
July 02, 2006, 12:08 PM
@ those who think Naruto can't/only in some areas surpass Kakashi,

riddle me this: when Naruto learned the rasengan didn't he have to learn how to control his charaka, manipulate it , confine it with a paper layer of more chakara and do all this before he could do the move properly , didn't he have to learn to focus on charaka, send it to his feet , oppose the water (i think it has charka too but i ain't too sure) ,b4 he walk on it ?

So then I ask you , if he has to learn a jutsu so bad ass that it put the rasengan to shame why for the love of all things pure and sweet and holy in this world can't the JOURNEY, the process through which he gets from here to there, make him a better shinobi than Kakashi, if this jutsu is some bangin' that it has only be thought of but never manifested, then maybe you have to put youself into an almost perfect condition to even think about learning it , hmmmmm?

Come on guys, if the man says he'll surpass him , he'll surpass him, if kishi makes that he does it with it only one jutsu, he does it with one jutsu , Kishi has a style as to how naruto learning something, he either grasps it quickly and therefore it has no effect on his development , or it take his a while ,like to climb the tree, to learn rasengan and to learn this new badass jutsu,that makes him a better shinobi, so please let it on fold and stop da hating, come~~~on~~~don't~~~be~~~maaadd :D

Hm i never said Naruto does not have the potential to surpass Kakashi. Heck, he has the potential to surpass the whole goddamn village in my opinion, be it because of his willpower or his heritage or god (that means Kishi) knows why. I just said that i don´t see it happen that soon.... Kakashi is, with a bit of help, strong enough to fight even one of the strongest among Akatsuki....now imagine Kakashi and his pupil who is now stronger than him in on group. ...hell, even Itachi and Kisame together wouldn´t be able to fight that much power....especially when it´s backed up by insanely strong will and Sakuras healing abilities.
Having Naruto "Learn Kung-fu" over night, putting him on one level (or even above) with Kakashi...that would simply force Kishi to reveal some bad guys that are even more bad than Akatsuki...it would turn Naruto into another DBZ; the main character receives a power up, kicks some bad-guy-asses and bam, another bad guy arives, with even more power since the manga would be boring otherwise.
I would like to see Naruto grow, maybe even quite fast...but i think in order to keep the story interesting, he shouldn´t have a two-days-timeskip that puts him that far above his current level.
PS: that would even render one of the main themes of the manga worthless...teamwork and comrady. Why the hell should Naruto need Shikamarus help? Why the hell would he need any friends in order to achieve what he dreams for when he is as strong as Kakashi is today? Heck, he isn´t even full grown...nobody could stop him in a 1-on-1 when he reaches Ankos age. Naruto grows stronger because he makes mistakes, because he needs his friends to back him up. Render them useless by pushing Naruto several levels above them and you turn Naruto into an entirely different person.
Edit: since i am an idiot, i did not read Ruth´s post :darn
Now that i did, i would like to add the following: having Naruto show his pure talent is exactly what i think is going to happen. It´s necessary since everybody (including Naruto) is all itchy to see what he can really do without Kyuubi. I just wanted to make clear that i don´t want him to gather power all of a sudden just by being Kakashis pupil...i think he needs to show something he did on his own...and i guess thats what Kakashi is planning, not putting him into another dimension for training >_> Just a little push into the right direction, and Naruto can finally show that he indeed IS a valuable Ninja and a very talented one on top of that.

Uchiro
July 02, 2006, 12:14 PM
I don't know if anyone has really paid attention to this little fact, but It just came to me. In this second arc to the Naruto story he hasn't taken much damage than what he's done to himself releasing 4 tails. Oro punched him, yeah, but he shrugged it off. Hell, even Kusanagi didn't pierce him, only shoved him back. Diedara never touched Naruto, and neither did Sai. Not too much fight with Sasuke, he took the Flowing Chidori like a champ, <i>in his weakened state</i>, something that laid Sai out cold, and started to get back to his feet. Naruto is strong, he could totally pass Kakashi. No problem in my mind. He just hasn't had a good oppourtunity to showcase his personal strengths yet, only how little controll he had over his Bijuu.

I remember when Naruto came to Kakashi in the hospital and asked Kakashi to train him for the final test in the Chuunin exam. Kakashi tried to set him up with Ebisu so he could train Sasuke. Kakashi is kicking himself in the asshole right about now because his training went to a bad cause. Kakashi gets credit for <i>ALMOST</i> changing Sasuke's heart. I think it's very exciting that now Kakashi, probably thinking he should have done this in the first place, is going to train Naruto. Someone who won't squander his training away on some fool hardy quest. Someone who cares about his village and his comrades, not only his selfish wants and a morbid, emo outlook on life. Sasuke burned a pretty good bridge back there.

NotAJock2Day
July 02, 2006, 12:23 PM
I have a bad feeling Naruto's training will involve some kind of sacrifice on Kakashi's part. I.E. His eyesight, his life... I say this because he's been sitting on the sidelines and there's already a replacement as far as captain goes. Kakashi's going to end up a lesser side-character, I know it. Him losing his eyesight is likely to me. If he was going to use Tsukiyomi, it would be too much of a strain on his eyes for only three days of training. Sasuke still has time, it's stupid to burn himself out when it's unnecessary. A short time can mean a month... but if Kishi decides to make Kakashi do an extended Tsukiyomi or other space-time jutsu he's going to end up blind (foreshadowed vs. 30% Itachi).

Ruth
July 02, 2006, 12:24 PM
Edit: since i am an idiot, i did not read Ruth´s post :darn

now im really offended *cries* <runs to look for mommy> :amuse



I remember when Naruto came to Kakashi in the hospital and asked Kakashi to train him for the final test in the Chuunin exam. Kakashi tried to set him up with Ebisu so he could train Sasuke. Kakashi is kicking himself in the asshole right about now because his training went to a bad cause.

to be able to resist kyubi chakura up till 3 tails shows enuf that hes very strong imo. :amuse
not at all. naruto was bad in his ability to control chakura. ebisu being an elite teacher and all was the best choice at the time. :noworry

topkomputer
July 02, 2006, 12:42 PM
Aren't all of you tired of Naruto yet? The mangaka has done crazy things in part II. Like Kakashi's magenkyou shanrighan (he even couldn't turn the shanrigan off, how can he turn it into magenkyou?). He can't turn it off so he have to wear an 'eye-patch' to turn it off. I'm not a itachi fan. Misunderstood me not. A near-dead grandma revive a young lad (Gaara) by excahinging her near-expired life with a young life (why the hack tsunade couldn't do the same with her younger brother)? Just because Gaara has a lot of fans out there? How Akatsuki let Naruto go 'on purpose' (because the mangaka didn't want him to be captured at Gaara's rescue mission? Remember how Akatasuki prepared everything perfectly to handle Kakashi and Gai's teams. It's impossible to let Naruto get out of there safely. The leader could at least ask Kisame/Itachi to capture Naruto if the previous two members failed. And he didn't??? After perfectly arrange everything to deal with Konoha's teams? The mangaka is going nuts. Naruto is a second-class manga now.

Uchiro
July 02, 2006, 12:50 PM
Aren't all of you tired of Naruto yet? The mangaka has done crazy things in part II. Like Kakashi's magenkyou shanrighan (he even couldn't turn the shanrigan off, how can he turn it into magenkyou?). He can't turn it off so he have to wear an 'eye-patch' to turn it off. I'm not a itachi fan. Misunderstood me not. A near-dead grandma revive a young lad (Gaara) by excahinging her near-expired life with a young life (why the hack tsunade couldn't do the same with her younger brother)? Just because Gaara has a lot of fans out there? How Akatsuki let Naruto go 'on purpose' (because the mangaka didn't want him to be captured at Gaara's rescue mission? Remember how Akatasuki prepared everything perfectly to handle Kakashi and Gai's teams. It's impossible to let Naruto get out of there safely. The leader could at least ask Kisame/Itachi to capture Naruto if the previous two members failed. And he didn't??? After perfectly arrange everything to deal with Konoha's teams? The mangaka is going nuts. Naruto is a second-class manga now.


Huh? Naruto has never been better. Lay off the pipe.

Skeith
July 02, 2006, 01:07 PM
@topkomputer
i disagree, i still like it


Remember how Akatasuki prepared everything perfectly to handle Kakashi and Gai's teams. It's impossible to let Naruto get out of there safely. The leader could at least ask Kisame/Itachi to capture Naruto if the previous two members failed. And he didn't??? After perfectly arrange everything to deal with Konoha's teams? The mangaka is going nuts. Naruto is a second-class manga now.

they didn't prepare everything perfectly for kakashi's and gais team, they set up traps to defend them from ANY interlopers


A near-dead grandma revive a young lad (Gaara) by excahinging her near-expired life with a young life (why the hack tsunade couldn't do the same with her younger brother)? Just because Gaara has a lot of fans out there?

tsunade couldn't do the same thing because if you pay attention, the skill used to bring gaara back was developed by chiyo-baasama... how could tsunade know something that didn't exsist at the time 0.o?


The mangaka has done crazy things in part II. Like Kakashi's magenkyou shanrighan (he even couldn't turn the shanrigan off, how can he turn it into magenkyou?). He can't turn it off so he have to wear an 'eye-patch' to turn it off.

kakashi doesn't turn it off by wearing an eye-patch, he covers it up to help prevent himself from using it and wasting his chakra. when kakashi obtained the sharingan it was given to him as the sharingan, not an eye with the sharingan ability, thats most likely why he can't 'turn it off'

if you don't like it just shut up and move along...

Egoboo
July 02, 2006, 01:47 PM
@skeith
seconded and very true...couldn´t have said it better.
@topkomputer
it´s alright if you are disappointed with the outcome of Naruto part 2, but calling it a second-class manga is gonna get you some seriously impolite answers considering this is a Narutoforum. I for my part am not disappointed in it yet, just getting itchier every week to see Naruto finally show his skills. Thats not a bad thing for a manga...at least not in my book.
@Ruth
*hands a cookie* so terribly sorry Ruth T_T *promises to read Ruth´s post in the future by doing a nice-guy-pose* :Gaipose

rocker2
July 02, 2006, 02:39 PM
I don't know if anyone has really paid attention to this little fact, but It just came to me. In this second arc to the Naruto story he hasn't taken much damage than what he's done to himself releasing 4 tails. Oro punched him, yeah, but he shrugged it off. Hell, even Kusanagi didn't pierce him, only shoved him back. Diedara never touched Naruto, and neither did Sai. Not too much fight with Sasuke, he took the Flowing Chidori like a champ, <i>in his weakened state</i>, something that laid Sai out cold, and started to get back to his feet. Naruto is strong, he could totally pass Kakashi. No problem in my mind. He just hasn't had a good oppourtunity to showcase his personal strengths yet, only how little controll he had over his Bijuu.

I remember when Naruto came to Kakashi in the hospital and asked Kakashi to train him for the final test in the Chuunin exam. Kakashi tried to set him up with Ebisu so he could train Sasuke. Kakashi is kicking himself in the asshole right about now because his training went to a bad cause. Kakashi gets credit for <i>ALMOST</i> changing Sasuke's heart. I think it's very exciting that now Kakashi, probably thinking he should have done this in the first place, is going to train Naruto. Someone who won't squander his training away on some fool hardy quest. Someone who cares about his village and his comrades, not only his selfish wants and a morbid, emo outlook on life. Sasuke burned a pretty good bridge back there.


Agreed. Naruto may not be in the same boat as Kakashi as an intellectual, but as a ninja - you kidding me? Naruto's speed and strength are already on levels surpassing Kakashi. What he doesn't have yet is the skill and independance to put them to good use yet. Naruto's basics are excellent now. That was shown during the second bell test. Naruto outmaneuvered Kakashi at the very start. He even thought up of the perfect strategy to bring the man down at the end of the test. Naruto's strength and speed (without the Kyuubi) are already equal or slightly above Sasuke. That's why he could handle Sasuke's attack in his weak state which totally flattened Sai. However, Naruto doesn't have skills (ie. jutsus) capable of putting his talents to good use. His abilities surpass rasengan now, but he doesn't have a jutsu to use them yet. That's why Kakashi is going to have Naruto create an ultimate jutsu. As for the independance part, that has to do with the Kyuubi. Naruto has depended on the Kyuubi too much, even though his own abilities are on very high levels. If Naruto doesn't default to the Kyuubi, which is a lousy fighter, his probability for success in a fight will go up dramatically. Emotion without control results in the Kyuubi taking over. Controlled emotion, on the other hand, puts Naruto on top everytime and keeps him in control even if he is drawing upon the Kyuubi's chakra. If his training with Kakashi achieves this - which is quite possible - then there is no doubt that Naruto will surpass Kakashi as a ninja.

White Rabbit
July 02, 2006, 03:01 PM
Naruto's speed and strength are already on levels surpassing Kakashi. That was shown during the second bell test. Naruto outmaneuvered Kakashi at the very start. He even thought up of the perfect strategy to bring the man down at the end of the test.

Naruto didn't "outmaneuver" kakashi... he just started to attack before kakashi had gioven the signal and kakshi although countered this attack pretty nicely.
naruto says himself that he can't handle kakashis skills at the test.

gold lion
July 02, 2006, 03:52 PM
I think that Kauzuu and Hidan are not heading to Konoha without a plan or other team members. I mean they are not dumb they are akatsuki and as for kakashi teaching naruto some new jutsu with MS is bullshit because he used it one time against Deidara and he was fucked up for 2 weeks or so. So more possible for me is that he will tell him that Yondaime was his father and tell him the secret Jutsus of the uzumaki family it cant happen in one week and it is partly ridiculous but he we are in a forum :s :noworry.[br]Posted on: July 02, 2006, 05:51:44 AM_________________________________________________
I dont like that tsunade-dono she cant win against an unarmed Orichimaru so forget her.
kakashi used the ms techniques 3 times in the space of 10 minutes, itachi wusses out at 2 times a day. give the man some credit, he is supposed to be dead for using his entire chakra store to save the day.

rocker2
July 02, 2006, 04:22 PM
Naruto didn't "outmaneuver" kakashi... he just started to attack before kakashi had gioven the signal and kakshi although countered this attack pretty nicely.
naruto says himself that he can't handle kakashis skills at the test.

Kakashi was expecting Naruto to jump the gun. Kakashi is smart - if Naruto did it during the first bell test, I think he would be expecting it now. The point of the beginning skirmish was to show the how much higher Naruto's basic abilities (speed and strength) are now. In the first bell test, Kakashi outmaneuvered Naruto, trapped him and had a kunai pointed at Naruto. He was also reading his novel at that time too. During the second bell test, Kakashi was not reading his novel and was using his Sharingan. Naruto not only had Kakashi mistakenly attack his Kage Buushin, but was able to travel to speeds fast enough to outpace his Sharingan and trap Kakashi from behind. Now Kakashi got out of that one with the typical jounin replacement/illusion jutsu for fast movement combined with a Kage Buushin of his own. However, the point was that Naruto's abilities in speed and strength already are on par or higher than Kakashi. Else, Naruto would not have been able to outmaneuver Kakashi with his Sharingan in the first place. Kakashi was able to escape the situation because Naruto doesn't have the jutsus with which to apply his abilities to. As Naruto stated himself, he didn't have the skills to handle Kakashi. But that does not mean he didn't have the speed or strength to do so.



kakashi used the ms techniques 3 times in the space of 10 minutes, itachi wusses out at 2 times a day. give the man some credit, he is supposed to be dead for using his entire chakra store to save the day.

Kakashi's got game, but to compare Kakashi's MS doujutsu to Itachi's MS doujutsu this way, especially considering both their situations at the time, is a little off. Itachi wussed out, but that was because he had no intention of fight to a draw with Jiraiya. The Sannin had a good chance of killing him. Itachi is a coward. Most evil dudes are. But the guy has way more chakra than Kakashi could dream of and his doujutsus used so far make Kakashi's look lame. Itachi's were instantaneous and super powerful. Kakashi's was very powerful, but it was much slower in comparison. Kakashi might be fast, but he's not that fast and in order for Kakashi's doujutsu to be as effective as Itachi's, he's going to have to be able to focus and mold his chakra at the same speed as Itachi. Kakashi's doujutsu uses 30% of his chakra while Itachi's uses 30% of his. Itachi's also happens to be far more effective. And by the way, Itachi used Amaterasu right after using Tsukyomi. That's why he was tired out.

donkeyhigh
July 02, 2006, 06:05 PM
Yeah, Itachi seems like a coward to me too.
He only pick on the weak, and runs when he's in any real risk.
He uses other peoples bodies to do his own fights. Some might call it tactical, I call it pussy-style.
And it's not just these obvious things, it's the small things too, just things you notice when seeing him fight.

Sasuke is the complete opposite, he goes head on against people supossidly stronger than himself. He really puts his life on the line all the time. Of course Naruto is not any worse, he might be even more hardcore than Sasuke. But when comparing the last remaining Uchia, Sasuke is just better.

However, this is kinda off topic, the next chapter is called "The training begins" , so.. how do you guys think Kakashi'll aproach the situation?
I really can't wait to see it, I hope Kakashi'll ask Naruto if he's learned any new techniques while training with Jiraya.

gold lion
July 02, 2006, 07:15 PM
Yeah, Itachi seems like a coward to me too.
He only pick on the weak, and runs when he's in any real risk.
He uses other peoples bodies to do his own fights. Some might call it tactical, I call it pussy-style.
And it's not just these obvious things, it's the small things too, just things you notice when seeing him fight.

Sasuke is the complete opposite, he goes head on against people supossidly stronger than himself. He really puts his life on the line all the time. Of course Naruto is not any worse, he might be even more hardcore than Sasuke. But when comparing the last remaining Uchia, Sasuke is just better.

However, this is kinda off topic, the next chapter is called "The training begins" , so.. how do you guys think Kakashi'll aproach the situation?
I really can't wait to see it, I hope Kakashi'll ask Naruto if he's learned any new techniques while training with Jiraya.

itachi is no coward, i take back that comment, he fights when he wants. i was just pointing out that kakashi is supposed to be dead for doing that, and thats why he's still in the hospital. and to answer what people where saying about him not being able to handle the use of that ms. so i am going to repeat it, HE USED MS 3 TIMES IN THE SPACE OF 10 MINUTES!!! it's not that he can't use it to train naruto, it's that he almost commited suicide by using it. if he is gonna tsukyomi naruto, i'll go out on a limb and say it won't be 3 times in the space of 10 minutes, so he should be alright.

zerocharisma
July 02, 2006, 08:39 PM
Prediction: Since Asuma is Shikamaru's sensei, and Shikamaru is out doing something squirrely instead of showing up for roll-call (and it's probably having something to do with Akatsuki rather than deer horns) the conversation will probably end up being about Shikamaru.

Just a thought...

z.

gold lion
July 02, 2006, 08:44 PM
thanks for saying that now i think shikamaru is going to mastermind the attack on akatsuki, when he realizes neko-chan is there, he'll mastermind her abduction from akatsuki's grasp. then they'll definately come to konoha.

rocker2
July 02, 2006, 10:48 PM
itachi is no coward, i take back that comment, he fights when he wants. i was just pointing out that kakashi is supposed to be dead for doing that, and thats why he's still in the hospital. and to answer what people where saying about him not being able to handle the use of that ms. so i am going to repeat it, HE USED MS 3 TIMES IN THE SPACE OF 10 MINUTES!!! it's not that he can't use it to train naruto, it's that he almost commited suicide by using it. if he is gonna tsukyomi naruto, i'll go out on a limb and say it won't be 3 times in the space of 10 minutes, so he should be alright.

Itachi is a coward. A cold-blooded murderer is a coward - a person without honor or conscience. It is clear and simple. Itachi's actions facing Jiraiya only help cement that fact. As for the deal with the MS - the point that has been clearly shown is that not all jutsus use the same amount of chakra and this especially applies to the MS. Kakashi, who has to naturally waste chakra to use the sharingan, was only able to pull off 3 of his space time jutsus in the space of 10 minutes or so. Itachi, who has precision control over the amount of chakra he uses, was only able to use Tsukyomi and Amateratsu (both extremely powerful and instantaneous and thus likely using the same amount of chakra) in a space of 5 minutes or less and still have enough juice left to make a getaway (even though being tired out). From the way Itachi was looking and the fact he was able to make a getaway, he could likely have fired out one more Tsuykomi or Amateratsu before hitting his limit. Thus both Kakashi and Itachi are able to use 3 of their MS jutsus in a period of 10 minutes. However, considering how wasteful Kakashi is at using Sharingan-based jutsus, the MS doujutsu of Kakashi uses at most half as much chakra as Tsuykomi, if we consider that Kakashi has the exact same chakra capacity as Itachi. This we know is definitely not true. At best case, Kakashi has approximately half the chakra capacity of Itachi. Thus the MS doujutsu of Kakashi uses at most a quarter of the amount of chakra Tsuykomi uses. Therefore, if Kakashi were to use Tsukyomi for the 72 hour period (world of the grasping moon time), it would be the equivalent of him performing 4 of his MS doujutsus. The fact that Tsukyomi only takes a second or so to complete means that Kakashi would essentially be performing 4 of his MS doujutsus in at most a couple of seconds. Unless Kakashi knows a more efficient method of performing Tsukyomi than Itachi, he won't be able to use it. Sorry to spoil your hope of seeing Kakashi use Tsukyomi, but I'm pretty sure Kishi won't mess with the math on this one. He wants Itachi to be Sannin level or slightly above. Messing with the above would easily screw this up.

gold lion
July 02, 2006, 11:56 PM
Itachi is a coward. A cold-blooded murderer is a coward - a person without honor or conscience. It is clear and simple. Itachi's actions facing Jiraiya only help cement that fact. As for the deal with the MS - the point that has been clearly shown is that not all jutsus use the same amount of chakra and this especially applies to the MS. Kakashi, who has to naturally waste chakra to use the sharingan, was only able to pull off 3 of his space time jutsus in the space of 10 minutes or so. Itachi, who has precision control over the amount of chakra he uses, was only able to use Tsukyomi and Amateratsu (both extremely powerful and instantaneous and thus likely using the same amount of chakra) in a space of 5 minutes or less and still have enough juice left to make a getaway (even though being tired out). From the way Itachi was looking and the fact he was able to make a getaway, he could likely have fired out one more Tsuykomi or Amateratsu before hitting his limit. Thus both Kakashi and Itachi are able to use 3 of their MS jutsus in a period of 10 minutes. However, considering how wasteful Kakashi is at using Sharingan-based jutsus, the MS doujutsu of Kakashi uses at most half as much chakra as Tsuykomi, if we consider that Kakashi has the exact same chakra capacity as Itachi. This we know is definitely not true. At best case, Kakashi has approximately half the chakra capacity of Itachi. Thus the MS doujutsu of Kakashi uses at most a quarter of the amount of chakra Tsuykomi uses. Therefore, if Kakashi were to use Tsukyomi for the 72 hour period (world of the grasping moon time), it would be the equivalent of him performing 4 of his MS doujutsus. The fact that Tsukyomi only takes a second or so to complete means that Kakashi would essentially be performing 4 of his MS doujutsus in at most a couple of seconds. Unless Kakashi knows a more efficient method of performing Tsukyomi than Itachi, he won't be able to use it. Sorry to spoil your hope of seeing Kakashi use Tsukyomi, but I'm pretty sure Kishi won't mess with the math on this one. He wants Itachi to be Sannin level or slightly above. Messing with the above would easily screw this up.
i'm sorry but you have absolutely no facts to back that up. they both have ms, granted kakashi only has it in one eye, but that doesn't mean he has half the chakra aproximately. kakashi also doesn't have the uchiha blood. but that is all relative. they both were winded after doing an ms technique twice in the space of 10 minutes, but kakashi is the only one that went 3 times in 10 minutes. i don't know if itachi would have ended up in the hospital. but my point was kakashi's chakra expenditure, and if it would detrement him training naruto in that fashion once a day, and i stand by no it wouldn't. as for being a coward people like to say alot of "nice" things these days. but whole races were wiped out and usurped of thier cultures and riches. and the people responsible are called winners, because they are on top. they are the strongest, and unchallenged. i would like to say "nice" things like that but reality is, itachi is quite possibly the most impossibly strong menace in that world, single handedly wiping out the most elite clan of elite ninjas, makes you [cencored] strong, and takes huge [cencored] balls.
evil, most definately, a coward?? sorry that wouldn't fly in any culture you visit.

Gold Knight
July 03, 2006, 01:50 AM
Regarding Itachi's personality, we have no idea what his motivations even are, or what he's thinking. Everything's speculation at this point, even now after all this time. I wouldn't make any assumptions about him and treat it as a fact. Besides, it's also a matter of objective opinion, anyway. His uneasiness to enter battle may be viewed as cowardice by some people but also as a kind of strength by some, because he has enough of a rein on his temper, emotions, and so on to hold himself back, unlike some others of the Akatsuki, apparently. At the same time, if it was more to being battle-shy, it would be an interesting comparison to Sasuke, who has been accused of cowardice himself in the past. Perhaps the apple didn't fall far from the other apple.

And if you look it this way: a man who would kill his family out of the fear that his clan would keep him back from gaining his full potential, as Itachi himself has said, is exactly that, a fear - he had no courage to face that destiny and try to make the best out of it without resorting to what is in ANY culture very, very despicable acts. So in that sense, he is a coward. In the other sense of the word, concerning the fear of defeat and death at the hands of another shinobi, no, I wouldn't say he is. He did single-handedly defeat his whole family, one of the strongest clans in Konohagakure, had the guts to join one of the most dangerous criminal organizations in the world knowing it would pretty much cement his reputation as a S-rank villain, and so on. Granted, his Mangekyou Sharingan is a somewhat cheap power and does allow him plenty of space to do whatever he wants to others, but at the same time it also drains his body and perhaps even damage his eyes. He's willing to take that risk to get what he wants. So, no, I don't think he's a coward in THAT way.

It all depends on how you look at it, I guess. And I daresay this topic is also getting a little off-topic. ;)

rocker2
July 03, 2006, 02:11 AM
i'm sorry but you have absolutely no facts to back that up. they both have ms, granted kakashi only has it in one eye, but that doesn't mean he has half the chakra aproximately. kakashi also doesn't have the uchiha blood. but that is all relative. they both were winded after doing an ms technique twice in the space of 10 minutes, but kakashi is the only one that went 3 times in 10 minutes. i don't know if itachi would have ended up in the hospital. but my point was kakashi's chakra expenditure, and if it would detrement him training naruto in that fashion once a day, and i stand by no it wouldn't. as for being a coward people like to say alot of "nice" things these days. but whole races were wiped out and usurped of thier cultures and riches. and the people responsible are called winners, because they are on top. they are the strongest, and unchallenged. i would like to say "nice" things like that but reality is, itachi is quite possibly the most impossibly strong menace in that world, single handedly wiping out the most elite clan of elite ninjas, makes you [cencored] strong, and takes huge [cencored] balls.
evil, most definately, a coward?? sorry that wouldn't fly in any culture you visit.

What facts do you need? They are all present in the manga. First, Kakashi needed Naruto's help to take on a body clone of Itachi's which only had 30% of his chakra capacity. Second, Kakashi needed an extended period of time to build up enough chakra to even use his MS jutsu in the first place. Itachi uses his without pause. Kakashi can only use chidori 3 times a day. Sasuke, using that jutsu, was stopped in his tracks by Itachi without effort. Now, Sasuke's level was definitely lower than Kakashi, but it was the same technique at Sasuke's full power so it likely approached the power of one of Kakashi's chidori. To stop such a force (a running thrust), an equal amount of force must be used to oppose it. Meaning a technique that uses a third of Kakashi's chakra required a comparably small proportion of Itachi's chakra and power to stop. As for Kakashi wasting chakra, he states it clearly himself. The regular sharingan tires Kakashi out from continous use (he was already tired just from facing Naruto and Sakura, which wasn't a completely serious match). Such continous use on Itachi's part was shown as well and he definitely was not utilizing anywhere close to the amount of chakra Kakashi was using. There are many more examples throughout the manga, but I won't bore you by citing them here. My previous reasoning and math was not conservative on Kakashi's part, but was conservative when characterizing Itachi. What was stated was obvious and straightforward. However, not everything in the manga needs to be logical, which is where my argument comes from. Thus, I'll cede to the point that Kakashi may end up using Tsukyomi cause it might be a jutsu that is not dependant on chakra capacity, but rather something like brain capacity, etc. ;)

As for Itachi being a coward - I guess it would depend on your definition of ethics and morals. As you mentioned, many cultures were butchered and robbed by evil peoples. However all these people can be defined as cowards since they were too afraid to face life's hardships and gave in to taking whatever easy ways out there were. It doesn't mean these people were weak or that they couldn't win. However, I'm not going to continue on this topic cause it is off topic to begin with. Not to mention that I'm not a lawyer or a philosophy student, so this is not a topic which I could debate well anyway (and it would probably be a long, messy debate - just look at politics and law) :p.



Regarding Itachi's personality, we have no idea what his motivations even are, or what he's thinking. Everything's speculation at this point, even now after all this time. I wouldn't make any assumptions about him and treat it as a fact. Besides, it's also a matter of objective opinion, anyway. His uneasiness to enter battle may be viewed as cowardice by some people but also as a kind of strength by some, because he has enough of a rein on his temper, emotions, and so on to hold himself back, unlike some others of the Akatsuki, apparently. At the same time, if it was more to being battle-shy, it would be an interesting comparison to Sasuke, who has been accused of cowardice himself in the past. Perhaps the apple didn't fall far from the other apple.

And if you look it this way: a man who would kill his family out of the fear that his clan would keep him back from gaining his full potential, as Itachi himself has said, is exactly that, a fear - he had no courage to face that destiny and try to make the best out of it without resorting to what is in ANY culture very, very despicable acts. So in that sense, he is a coward. In the other sense of the word, concerning the fear of defeat and death at the hands of another shinobi, no, I wouldn't say he is. He did single-handedly defeat his whole family, one of the strongest clans in Konohagakure, had the guts to join one of the most dangerous criminal organizations in the world knowing it would pretty much cement his reputation as a S-rank villain, and so on. Granted, his Mangekyou Sharingan is a somewhat cheap power and does allow him plenty of space to do whatever he wants to others, but at the same time it also drains his body and perhaps even damage his eyes. He's willing to take that risk to get what he wants. So, no, I don't think he's a coward in THAT way.

It all depends on how you look at it, I guess. And I daresay this topic is also getting a little off-topic. ;)

Agreed. You beat me to the explanation and the fact it is off topic :p.

kadoman
July 03, 2006, 02:59 AM
Ah damn. A debate about Itachi? My arrival is too late. Well, proabably for the best!:D

CheckMate
July 03, 2006, 03:17 AM
Aren't all of you tired of Naruto yet? The mangaka has done crazy things in part II. Like Kakashi's magenkyou shanrighan (he even couldn't turn the shanrigan off, how can he turn it into magenkyou?). He can't turn it off so he have to wear an 'eye-patch' to turn it off. I'm not a itachi fan. Misunderstood me not. A near-dead grandma revive a young lad (Gaara) by excahinging her near-expired life with a young life (why the hack tsunade couldn't do the same with her younger brother)? Just because Gaara has a lot of fans out there? How Akatsuki let Naruto go 'on purpose' (because the mangaka didn't want him to be captured at Gaara's rescue mission? Remember how Akatasuki prepared everything perfectly to handle Kakashi and Gai's teams. It's impossible to let Naruto get out of there safely. The leader could at least ask Kisame/Itachi to capture Naruto if the previous two members failed. And he didn't??? After perfectly arrange everything to deal with Konoha's teams? The mangaka is going nuts. Naruto is a second-class manga now.


c'mon pal.. it's kishimoto's job to move the story.. :)

it's our job to discuss it..

besides, all the mangas like that.

and i'm pretty sure.. and hope there is no such thing as time-dimension-chamber thing..
except there is a good explanation beside MS thory

Crimson
July 03, 2006, 03:40 AM
You know, considering Kakashi's space altering doujutsu (its not space time, if he altered time with it id be far beyond powerful), and what it actually achieved, Its definitiely stronger than Itachis sharingan techniques, or at least the ones weve seen. Its quite a bit premature to recognize either Itachi or Kakashi as having the most chakra of the two; but definitiely, by just clear observations of cause and effect, Kakashi's space altering doujutsu was FAR more damaging than Itachis Tsukyomi, as it caused permanent loss of limb to Deidara, unlike Tsukyomi. But even then, its still to early to judge Itachi's actual chakra lvl and strength, or even Kakashi's for that matter. Im hoping to find out a little more about it with this training hes going to give Naruto.

rocker2
July 03, 2006, 04:24 AM
and i'm pretty sure.. and hope there is no such thing as time-dimension-chamber thing..
except there is a good explanation beside MS thory

There are different dimensions which are temporally offset to narutoverse. Kakashi stated this himself and this was why his MS doujutsu targets stop to exist in narutoverse. However, for the MS theory to work, there must be a dimension where time flows faster than narutoverse where Kakashi can take Naruto to train. Don't know if it can or will happen, but it is a possibility nonetheless.

I've also seen other non-MS theories from super drugs courtesy of Tsunade to just completing or upgrading "that jutsu" which Naruto already knows and so shouldn't take too much time to complete or improve. The most interesting one I've seen to date is a Matrix-like genjutsu download of Kakashi's jutsus to Naruto :smile-big.



You know, considering Kakashi's space altering doujutsu (its not space time, if he altered time with it id be far beyond powerful), and what it actually achieved, Its definitiely stronger than Itachis sharingan techniques, or at least the ones weve seen. Its quite a bit premature to recognize either Itachi or Kakashi as having the most chakra of the two; but definitiely, by just clear observations of cause and effect, Kakashi's space altering doujutsu was FAR more damaging than Itachis Tsukyomi, as it caused permanent loss of limb to Deidara, unlike Tsukyomi. But even then, its still to early to judge Itachi's actual chakra lvl and strength, or even Kakashi's for that matter. Im hoping to find out a little more about it with this training hes going to give Naruto.

Kakashi's space-time (or point singularity) doujutsu is not more powerful than Itachi's MS techniques. Itachi's Amateratsu is definitely far more destructive as its effects are instantaneous, capable of penetrating even the most impenetrable substances, widespread, continuous for an extended period of time following the attack and cannot be put out through conventional means (I remember reading a comment somewhere that the black fire is to burn for 3 days and 3 nights, though I don't remember this being stated explicitly in the manga). Tsukyomi on the other hand is a precision attack designed to dispatch your enemy in an instant. It was implied and stated that the only reason Kakashi survived was his mental fortitude combined with his sharigan's ability to help him put up some resistance to the MS's effects. However, tsukyomi still accomplished it's task of neutralizing Kakashi in an instant. Since it is not a physically damaging attack, it cannot be compared against Kakashi's for it's damage quality (apples vs. oranges). One can only compare the underlying aspects to it - required chakra capacity, control, speed of jutsu, etc. Kakashi's doujutsu is the creation of a point singularity to another dimension which can be used to erase a target out of existence. Being a point singularity, it can only target a small area - however, for the time it is active, everything in it's immediate vicinity will get sucked in (the explosion from Deidara's clone). It's level, as stated by Deidara, is on par with Itachi's doujutsu. However, the chakara required would be closer to the amount required for summoning if we take into consideration the fact that such dimensional portals are what makes summoning possible (the downfall in terms of chakra capacity here is the wasteful nature of Kakashi's sharingan). It is likely that Kakashi based his doujutsu on this fact and decided that he'd exploit these portals as a weapon. Now, though we don't know Itachi's actual chakra level or strength, the fact that Oro states clearly that Itachi is stronger and more powerful than him coupled with the fact that Sasuke mentioned that his and Oro's only chance to match up against Itachi would likely be to combine into one being shows that Itachi's chakra level and strength is the bar everyone else needs to strive toward. We also don't know Kakashi's actual strength either, but the fact that he is not Sannin level, nor by himself is on par to fight with a body clone of Itachi should show that Itachi is far greater in strength and chakra level in general.

Gold Knight
July 03, 2006, 04:33 AM
There are different dimensions which are temporally offset to narutoverse. Kakashi stated this himself and this was why his MS doujutsu targets stop to exist in narutoverse. However, for the MS theory to work, there must be a dimension where time flows faster than narutoverse where Kakashi can take Naruto to train. Don't know if it can or will happen, but it is a possibility nonetheless.

My main problem with that is it takes so much out of Kakashi just to use his MS, so to use it in order to train Naruto, it'd probably put him back in the hospital again...

But I can see the MS being used for that reason.

@ rocker2, plz check your PMs. ;)

donkeyhigh
July 03, 2006, 06:42 AM
OH MY GOD! My old dream might come true!

Kakashi opens new portals to different dimentions, but here's the real kicker, other anime/manga universes. Suddenly Luffy from One Piece comes gliding into Konoha with his boat and crew! Making a perfect sparring opponent for Naruto. Ichigo from Bleach is trying to get back to Soul Society, but goes into the wrong portal, and gets thrown into Konoha too, meeting up with Konoha-ninja, learning new skills he can take back with himself, without chanting 2 A4-long pages of text in order to make a shield. Of course Ichigo and Zoro is gonna start fighting, and it'll be an amazing match, all the way untill Kakashi comes in the middle with his old mans "Fang-sword" and takes them both out :)
Gai and Sanji's gonna get it on too.. (after Sanji's done staring at Sakura's short skirt..)

Konohamaru and Usopp's gonna get into an amazing fight too.. :p :)


Oh, it'd be cooool :)

Egoboo
July 03, 2006, 07:49 AM
OH MY GOD! My old dream might come true!

Kakashi opens new portals to different dimentions, but here's the real kicker, other anime/manga universes. Suddenly Luffy from One Piece comes gliding into Konoha with his boat and crew! Making a perfect sparring opponent for Naruto. Ichigo from Bleach is trying to get back to Soul Society, but goes into the wrong portal, and gets thrown into Konoha too, meeting up with Konoha-ninja, learning new skills he can take back with himself, without chanting 2 A4-long pages of text in order to make a shield. Of course Ichigo and Zoro is gonna start fighting, and it'll be an amazing match, all the way untill Kakashi comes in the middle with his old mans "Fang-sword" and takes them both out :)
Gai and Sanji's gonna get it on too.. (after Sanji's done staring at Sakura's short skirt..)

Konohamaru and Usopp's gonna get into an amazing fight too.. :p :)


Oh, it'd be cooool :)

...lol?
Ahem...just to further stress that alternate dimension-theory: what about a simple alternate Narutoversum? A world in which everyone we have known so far exists in a completely different way. For example a Naruto that never decided to become a Ninja in order to protect but instead gave in to his hatred (and joined the Dark Side *cough cough*), turning into another Gaara while Itachi lived "happily ever after" with his family instead of killing them all. That would surely be an interesting experience for Naruto and Kakashi, wouldn´t you agree? I think that could help them grow stronger in a personal way...who knows how Kakashi will react to a world in which Obito did not die back then? Maybe it will help him overcome his pain a little bit (or maybe it will turn out the other way with a devastated Kakashi).
erm...just so you know: i don´t think this is going to happen, it just jumped at me while reading pjoto´s post.

odeon
July 03, 2006, 08:16 AM
hum Itachi isn't a coward, think about it he let his little brother alive to test his own strenght , I mean he let alive the only person that he throught that could be a threat for him.... that not a coward action ...

kadoman
July 03, 2006, 08:58 AM
That is rather a good point!

donkeyhigh
July 03, 2006, 09:23 AM
He wasn't man enough to finish the job. :p

zerocharisma
July 03, 2006, 09:27 AM
hum Itachi isn't a coward, think about it he let his little brother alive to test his own strenght , I mean he let alive the only person that he throught that could be a threat for him.... that not a coward action ...


Interesting...
I'm thinking that killing the Uchiha clan actually has something to do with Madara and the founding of Konoha itself--more mysteries to come...

Anyway, my original thought more on topic was--

Prediction:
Naruto's Ultimate Jutsu will be named something like "Rasengan No Tatsu Maki."

Reasoning:

Sasuke has developed Chidori extension and noting that Naruto's growth often parallel's Sasuke's.

Characters in this story often have names associated with their characteristics, for example see Chouji's arc (Chouji=Butterfly.). Naruto means "whirlpool" (as well as "fish cakes") Notice the Swirl insignia on his jacket (hah, bet you never made that connection before). Tatsu Maki means "tornado".

Tatsu Maki would be visually stunning and allow Kishimoto to draw lots of swirly lines...

Taz is a great character model.

I'm hoping the whole setup will involve Hiriashin as well, just because I think it would be cool, but who knows.

Or I could be wrong and the reason Kishimoto named his character Naruto (Whirlpool) is because his Ultimate Jutsu is going to be "Dishwasher Rasengan No Jutsu" or "Naruto Washing Machine Rendan" or a jutsu named after some other Whirlpool household appliance...


z.

laughing@you
July 03, 2006, 09:31 AM
hum Itachi isn't a coward, think about it he let his little brother alive to test his own strenght , I mean he let alive the only person that he throught that could be a threat for him.... that not a coward action ...


Indeed his not a coward, he eliminated his own clan during the night while sleeping, but no his not a coward.

His a rat bastard but not a coward.

kadoman
July 03, 2006, 09:58 AM
Just to echo GK’s previous sentiment, Itachi is such an elusive character, nobody can hope to make concrete statements about either his personality in full, or his intentions.

What little we know about him points to him being a bit mentally unstable to be perfectly honest, but even an assumption such as this could turn out to be wide of the mark by the series end.

Is Itachi a coward? Not only will the answer depend upon your personal idea of what makes a coward, but there are pretty good arguments to back up either side.

Odeon's being a great example of No:

Posted on: July 03, 2006, 09:58:00 AM_________________________________________________

hum Itachi isn't a coward, think about it he let his little brother alive to test his own strenght , I mean he let alive the only person that he throught that could be a threat for him.... that not a coward action ...
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[b]laughing@you being a great example of Yes:

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Indeed his not a coward, he eliminated his own clan during the night while sleeping, but no his not a coward.

His a rat bastard but not a coward.

Personally I think Itachi is a very contradictory character, so I don’t have any idea if he is a cowardly person or not. I think some of his actions might be considered cowardly but actions alone aren’t enough to decide if cowadice is an inherent part of his personality or if it just makes up one aspect of him (as it does with us all).

laughing@you
July 03, 2006, 10:16 AM
Just to echo GK’s previous sentiment, Itachi is such an elusive character, nobody can hope to make concrete statements about either his personality in full, or his intentions.

What little we know about him points to him being a bit mentally unstable to be perfectly honest, but even an assumption such as this could turn out to be wide of the mark by the series end.

Is Itachi a coward? Not only will the answer depend upon your personal idea of what makes a coward, but there are pretty good arguments to back up either side.



I mean don't get me wrong it can go either way. Probably at the end of his life a story will be told justifying what he did, we've seing many times in this series and other as well. But right now kishimoto is protraying Itachi as a bastard who murdered his family and just left his brother alive to test himself in a future. Right now his got my vote as one kick ass villain.

But again, at the end, a story will be told, saying that he eliminated his clan when he discovered the evil twisted past they had or how they where empowered by the sharingan eye, and the evil purpose they were supposed to serve to reencarnate a demon or god. Pushing him in a quest to destroy all bijuu's. And probably what he really wanted was for Sasuke to become strong as him to continue his quest in case he failed and die.

Or he just did it to test how far his powers have grown. Which will make him evil to the core.

But for now we will have to wait an see!!!

gold lion
July 03, 2006, 10:32 AM
I mean don't get me wrong it can go either way. Probably at the end of his life a story will be told justifying what he did, we've seing many times in this series and other as well. But right now kishimoto is protraying Itachi as a bastard who murdered his family and just left his brother alive to test himself in a future. Right now his got my vote as one kick ass villain.

But again, at the end, a story will be told, saying that he eliminated his clan when he discovered the evil twisted past they had or how they where empowered by the sharingan eye, and the evil purpose they were supposed to serve to reencarnate a demon or god. Pushing him in a quest to destroy all bijuu's. And probably what he really wanted was for Sasuke to become strong as him to continue his quest in case he failed and die.

Or he just did it to test how far his powers have grown. Which will make him evil to the core.

But for now we will have to wait an see!!!



wierd thing is it sorta has me thinking it was something like that, how even kyuubi is like [cencored] evil uchiha. he was anbu leader, maybe he did it for the good of the leaf. but couldn't say because of shame? i mean think about it, even other akatsuki think that he is terriblely strong, yet he out and out refuses to kill leaf shinobi. i mean lets be serious, does anyone here really think that he couldn't have just hit jiraiya with amaterasu and have that be the end of it. he chose to back down!? leaving a few of us scratching our heads.
as for predictions popular opinon points to tsukyomi, my opinion says kakashi will use it to make naruto more synchronized with his power. he doesn't have to gain a huge amount of power out of nowhere like some other manga. he is already freakishly strong. tsukyomi kakashi version is just gonna make him more synchonized with himself, somewhat like jiraiya removing the seal. and voila better chakra control after "training" when oro put the seal on. since he was going about his daily ninjaing anyway without even knowing the restriction was there.

Raine_Joybringer
July 03, 2006, 11:01 AM
Just to echo GK’s previous sentiment, Itachi is such an elusive character, nobody can hope to make concrete statements about either his personality in full, or his intentions.


I think the only thing we can all agree on about Itachi is that he's mentally unstable somehow. :/



As for all these Kakashi using MS to train theories... I'm going to be one who says I don't think that'll happen Sure it's an interesting theory, but I think it's just too dangerous. However, if I'm wrong, then it's my own fault :P

laughing@you
July 03, 2006, 11:06 AM
I think the only thing we can all agree on about Itachi is that he's mentally unstable somehow. :/



As for all these Kakashi using MS to train theories... I'm going to be one who says I don't think that'll happen Sure it's an interesting theory, but I think it's just too dangerous. However, if I'm wrong, then it's my own fault :P


How can't you be unstable after killing so many people? His a veteran of his own private little war of course his unstable.

Remus
July 03, 2006, 11:12 AM
Who cares about Itachi ? As long as he doesnt appear he is just the common weasel everyone knows. Strong eyes but no balls. Thats it.As for prediction. Give us some serious story development and not a 6 week Naruto training arc. This is what pisses me off. They introduce something and it takes years to finish it. I hope the training gets interfered and Zetsu and Tobi jump in to eat some Naruto and Kakashi.

gold lion
July 03, 2006, 11:13 AM
thats what makes him scary, he's not unstable, he precisely calm, cold, calculating, no ego, the perfect officer. i wanna state for the record. he is a ninja, elite clan, anbu, killing is a way of life. there is no instability in someone who kills because he was praised for his killing ability.

aww, but i love training arcs

ok folks time for a truer understanding or shift in paradigm for naruto's training.

1) this is something to be stated. naruto already has power, power that is probably as strong as the nine tails. unlike every other hero who goes into a training arc, naruto isn't trying to gain power from nowhere like every one else.
2) this brings up something to mind, that is like duh, omfg why the [cencored] didn't i think of this earlier. you know how genjutsu can disrupt someones chakra flow? well it can be used to synchronize naruto's chakra flow, like a synchronising seal/jutsu
3) omg kyuubi summoning!!!
4) or example a seal that makes more efficient use of his and kyuubi's chakra, either seperate or combined. or one that completely seals off kyuubi when naruto has to fight, or releases kyuubi( i mean kyuubi's chakra itself) when he has to fight

i would like to requet from every one , having this in mind. please come up with probabilities from this.

kadoman
July 03, 2006, 12:17 PM
But right now kishimoto is protraying Itachi as a bastard who murdered his family and just left his brother alive to test himself in a future. Right now his got my vote as one kick ass villain.

Mine too! Agree 100%. In the end, all we can go by are the facts as they are presented by Kishi.

As for predictions of another training arc, I wouldn't mind if the quality is as good as it was when he was learning rasangan. I had fun watching the trials and tribulations of Naruto in that section and actually, Naruto really endeared himself to me - previous to him learning rasangan, I really didn't think that much of him but my opinion changed when I saw what he went through to learn rasangan.

laughing@you
July 03, 2006, 12:51 PM
1) this is something to be stated. naruto already has power, power that is probably as strong as the nine tails. unlike every other hero who goes into a training arc, naruto isn't trying to gain power from nowhere like every one else.


Power yes! As strong as the Nine tails?? Don't know about that! I know Yamato mentioned something like that but, honestly if Naruto was as strong as the kiuby he would be unstopable, almost god-like chakra and that would make him to over the top.




2) this brings up something to mind, that is like duh, omfg why the [cencored] didn't i think of this earlier. you know how genjutsu can disrupt someones chakra flow? well it can be used to synchronize naruto's chakra flow, like a synchronising seal/jutsu


Plausible, but risky!!



3) omg kyuubi summoning!!!


Summoning Kyuubi would mean control and letting him loose, which is a no-no. Nothing good would come from letting the kiuby out unless the kiuby itself started to adopt naruto has his master, friend or partner. Don't really believe that has happened yet, nor will.

If it happens kishimoto would be turning Naruto into Ushi&Tora. Not looking forward to that

Jus_a_drifter
July 03, 2006, 01:35 PM
I dunno people i still don't think itachi's bad, I mean he could have gotten naruto so many times but "something" always come up, he always seems to be stallin', yuh know just chillin lettin naruto do something that can "stop" him or some other strong guy comes and "helps", plus I really don't think Jirayai stronger than itachi, I mean yeah he's a sannin , but its itachi, the dude that could beat oro and oro is pretty confident that he could beat jirayai, and itachi just gonna run ?

The sychro thing sounds cool but , isn't the reason rin's charaka was so messed up was because they were tring to break her mind/will so that she would spill the beans, and not that they were dilberately messing wid he charaka but that was the effect it had on it. But i supposed thats kool, but it beats why noone would have done before.

Don't most chars in naruto have the spiral on their shoulder ? I think Kakashi and iruka have one, does than mean they are an Uzimaki ?:notrust i think it just normal insignia that village ninja have :smile-big

Maybe like DBZ, dimension it narutoverse contain different stories as to how things turn out, maybe in one the 4th ain't dead , well i guess i hopin for a bit much here :s

Lastly , STOP HATING ON DBZ :mad, there has been no anime that can hold a light to it when it came to ralling fans, heck most of u prolly here cus of it, so what if kishi like dbz and paralell can be drawn between the to manga, DBZ was fanstatic for its time and if kishi can use something to make naruto better why not ?

Skeith
July 03, 2006, 01:45 PM
why are you ppl saying tiachi is a coward? if anything, hes smart, he knows when he can't win, and when it would be pointless to continue. he weighs the risks, and the goal, and from that discerns which action to take. if that makes him a coward then whatever... right now in the story, itachi is 'evil' but as everything progresses and light is shed on why he did what he did we may find that he is infact fillled with good intention but who knows right?


3) omg kyuubi summoning!!!
lol that would be wierd but as laughing said the kyuubi would have to take to naruto and become obedient, which would be very interesting to see but if anything later on in the story, right now i think the kyuubi is still just trying to trick naruto into letting him out... i guess you could say they need more trust for that to happen

as for the new jutsu, i still don't know... but i like the whirlpool idea from zerocharisma

@jus_a_drifter
i like dbz, one of my first animes, but as i began to watch it again i realized the story is sooo repetitive lol, but still a very awesome anime... hell it has sentimental value i guess :smile-big

laughing@you
July 03, 2006, 03:37 PM
Lastly , STOP HATING ON DBZ :mad, there has been no anime that can hold a light to it when it came to ralling fans, heck most of u prolly here cus of it, so what if kishi like dbz and paralell can be drawn between the to manga, DBZ was fanstatic for its time and if kishi can use something to make naruto better why not ?


I personally love the DBZ series, but is a question of boundaries. For example DBZ didn't have boundaries, naruto does. I love the way kishimoto has maintained the series grounded. No flying, No magic seed that restores you health in seconds like a if were a video games, etc.etc.etc.

I have nothing against DBZ, but when the Narutoverse characters starts flying, destroying planets and challenging the klindgons for intergalactic domination, thats is it for me.

Sorry didn't mean to spam.

So on with the prediction:

1) Naruto will start training with Kakashi.

2) Some light will be shared on Azuma's little secret without revealing it.

3) Yamato, Sakura, and Sai will go on a mission! (Yes without naruto).

Miso
July 03, 2006, 03:40 PM
LOL...let's not compare DBZ and Naruto here. There's already a discussion thread in the Toshokan for it where you all can share your thoughts.

edit: here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=3457.0)

Well spotted Miso - where on earth did ya dredge that one up from? :p

Why do you think Miso became an admin, Kadoman? lol. - GK

I know most of the old threads from the Toshokan...:XD<Miso>

seadolpdhinblue14
July 03, 2006, 04:06 PM
about the sensie deal. I think Kurenia wanted to talk to Kakashi alone so yea

donkeyhigh
July 03, 2006, 04:53 PM
Kakashi'll train Naruto.
Tsunade will continue her training of Sakura.
Sai will continue his training of conversation, understanding feelings and how to properly behave, natuarly that is.

Oh, and it's weird, but I kinda think we'll see some of Gaara in the next chapter. How he's holdin' up :)

Crimson
July 03, 2006, 05:50 PM
Oddly enough the one thing I really want to know (besides who Naruto's parents are) has nothing to do with the preview. I want to know if Sai will actually find any of the females pretty, and be forced to tell the truth, :rofl.

gold lion
July 03, 2006, 05:58 PM
wait for ; hello mrs. ugly lol then sakura will kick his ass again realizing what he's been doing, so will ino lol[br][size=1]Posted on: July 03, 2006, 05:57:23 PM

I dunno people i still don't think itachi's bad, I mean he could have gotten naruto so many times but "something" always come up, he always seems to be stallin', yuh know just chillin lettin naruto do something that can "stop" him or some other strong guy comes and "helps", plus I really don't think Jirayai stronger than itachi, I mean yeah he's a sannin , but its itachi, the dude that could beat oro and oro is pretty confident that he could beat jirayai, and itachi just gonna run ?

The sychro thing sounds cool but , isn't the reason rin's charaka was so messed up was because they were tring to break her mind/will so that she would spill the beans, and not that they were dilberately messing wid he charaka but that was the effect it had on it. But i supposed thats kool, but it beats why noone would have done before.

Don't most chars in naruto have the spiral on their shoulder ? I think Kakashi and iruka have one, does than mean they are an Uzimaki ?:notrust i think it just normal insignia that village ninja have :smile-big

Maybe like DBZ, dimension it narutoverse contain different stories as to how things turn out, maybe in one the 4th ain't dead , well i guess i hopin for a bit much here :s

Lastly , STOP HATING ON DBZ :mad, there has been no anime that can hold a light to it when it came to ralling fans, heck most of u prolly here cus of it, so what if kishi like dbz and paralell can be drawn between the to manga, DBZ was fanstatic for its time and if kishi can use something to make naruto better why not ?
dude i am still perfecting my 4 star ball with a zet over it tattoo

aylw
July 04, 2006, 12:46 AM
I dunno people i still don't think itachi's bad, I mean he could have gotten naruto so many times but "something" always come up, he always seems to be stallin', yuh know just chillin lettin naruto do something that can "stop" him or some other strong guy comes and "helps", plus I really don't think Jirayai stronger than itachi, I mean yeah he's a sannin , but its itachi, the dude that could beat oro and oro is pretty confident that he could beat jirayai, and itachi just gonna run ?


Why do people like Itachi? Because he is mad powerful? Because he killed his family? Because he looks like a girl? He is a bad person, please understand this. No one kills their entire family and extended family in cold blood and can still be called good by any stretch of imagination, unless you are also a homicidal killer and can somehow relate to him. That doesn't mean you shouldn't like his character, hell, I think Orochimaru is a badass, but please do not delude yourself into thinking you are liking a good guy. He is bad. If he is your favourite character, your favourite character is a evil. Accept it, and maybe it will give you a little insight into your own soul.


Next chapter, Naruto, after following Kakashi to a secluded place, asks how he's gonna learn a new technique, Kakashi turns around, lifts his mask, and reveals Mengakyou Sharingan.

oh, and DBZ was rediculous.

-Aylw

kadoman
July 04, 2006, 01:21 AM
Why do people like Itachi? Because he is mad powerful? Because he killed his family? Because he looks like a girl? He is a bad person, please understand this. No one kills their entire family and extended family in cold blood and can still be called good by any stretch of imagination, unless you are also a homicidal killer and can somehow relate to him.

I agree with you. Although everyone is entitled to their opinion, personally I think the idea that Itachi is somehow 'good' is absurd, at least at this stage. Just my thoughts on it.


If he is your favourite character, your favourite character is a evil. Accept it, and maybe it will give you a little insight into your own soul.

Mind how you word things. Some people could take offense to what you are implying here.

In any case, some people just like the baddies because they love to hate baddies - like in a pantomime (think of boo-hissing and peanut throwing). Or they think the baddies get all the 'best lines' or the baddies have all the interesting back history etc. Lots of different reasons abound for liking the baddies.

Gold Knight
July 04, 2006, 02:49 AM
I hate to break up this Itachi convo, but if you want to continue talking about Itachi, please do it over in the Mega Convo (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=220.0) (typically reserved for moving off-topic subjects started in Discussion topics - like this one) or any of various Itachi threads currently present in the Toshokan ( Other than MS, what's so great about Itachi (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=5281.0) seems to be the latest popular one. )

The topic is starting to be distracting; we're trying to think about what will happen in the next chapter, not to understand Itachi's motivations here, lol. At least until Itachi himself appears again, anyway.

Thanks.

Would you believe, I thought I already *was* in the Toshokan?! I need to rest...:D - K

angry
July 04, 2006, 04:57 AM
Anyway, my original thought more on topic was--

Prediction:
Naruto's Ultimate Jutsu will be named something like "Rasengan No Tatsu Maki."

Reasoning:

Sasuke has developed Chidori extension and noting that Naruto's growth often parallel's Sasuke's.

Characters in this story often have names associated with their characteristics, for example see Chouji's arc (Chouji=Butterfly.). Naruto means "whirlpool" (as well as "fish cakes") Notice the Swirl insignia on his jacket (hah, bet you never made that connection before). Tatsu Maki means "tornado".

Tatsu Maki would be visually stunning and allow Kishimoto to draw lots of swirly lines...

Thats actually not so far fetched! A huge rasengan all around him! It would be like Neji's ultimate defense, except it would spiral outwards and destroy anything in its path!!! I have to say that would be a pretty usefull technique for getting out of sticky situations and indeed it would look very cool in the manga. I do however think Naruto needs a little more then just that, he could develop that jutsu and then have 1 more jutsu to be a more powerfull concentrated attack.



Taz is a great character model.
QFT!! Made me laugh ^^


PS: please stop de discussion about Itache being a weasel, it has nothing to do with predictions for 314 ><
edit: tnx Gold Knight i missed your post ^^

binkansarariman
July 04, 2006, 05:03 AM
Well, i dont mind kishi try to adapt some DBZs into naruto's..

we can find adaptations in almost all japanese mangas & animes ; for example: how many anime/manga we came across with names and the stories of yagyu jubei, sarutobi,musashi and hatori hanzo? - too many of them!.. so why not kishi bring something new by adapting DBZ into his ideas?..i think the chemistry will be just right..

ok on with my prediction:

1.kakashi train Naruto with the help of sakura (as a paramedic if something bad happens to kakashi/naruto), and sai (to hold naruto if he suddenly going berserk or something like that).
2. Asuma is actually on the mission to rescue the nekomata (hope she's still alive).

Konkun
July 04, 2006, 06:58 AM
I think too many people are hung up over the space-time training method using MS. Its a possibility since Kakashi did mentioned that the training will be different. But, we've seen the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in DBZ, the 3-days Bankai training in Bleach, to name a few, I doubt Kishi will do something similar. Naruto is awsome in learning new things and he works well under pressure. He knows that he has little time to train and he has to succeed in order to help his friends. Caring for others and not letting them down is Naruto greatest strength. If this ultimate jutsu will help him to get stronger and protect the people he cares about, no doubt Naruto will do what he must. You could say Narutos capacity to learn rivals that of a MS user. Given the time and training, he can probably master any technique.

By the way, whats the deal with Jiraiya and his novels. We know that he goes around spying on enermies, women and has time to write novels. Each time we see Kakashi, hes reading the novels. It is as if Jiraiya secretly writes the novel containing hidden messages, such as training methods, new techniques and whereabouts of the enermies. Remember the time when he trapped Itachi and Kisame and Itachi got away using the Black Flame jutsu. Jiraiya sealed it and it looks like as if he analysing the technique at the same time and put it into his novels. To the ordinary person, the novels are stories but to people like Kakashi, the novels contain valuable information. Just a thought cause im sure Jiraiya does more than just write the novels and being a peeping tom.

Egoboo
July 04, 2006, 08:09 AM
Just a thought cause im sure Jiraiya does more than just write the novels and being a peeping tom.

Indeed, he is a valuable peeping tom :ninja

2. Asuma is actually on the mission to rescue the nekomata (hope she's still alive).

Hm...did you actually mean to say "Asuma"? Most people think the one who could be in charge of such a mission would be Shikamaru because he is already out of our sight...on the other hand, that´s not really a clue...he could be up to almost anything from looking at the large white clouds above Konoha to looking at Temari´s large talking about a possible honoary promotion for Naruto with Tsunade. What makes you think Asuma could be assigned to such a mission? Just a wild guess or is there something else I didn´t notice? :blink
And @MS-theory vs. every other theory:
I have to admit i think both theories are equally possible. The use of Kakashi´s MS has been foreshadowed and due to Itachi´s explanation of how Tsukoyomi works it is also a logic thought coming up with this theory. On the other hand, we don´t know whether Kakashi actually knows how to use Tsukoyomi plus it would obviously tire him out pretty fast. Another good point against that theory is it´s obvious parallels to DBZ and other manga (as stated by Konkun and others)...it would most likely piss off many fans, and Kishi knows that.
However, the other theories have one mayor weakpoint: Kakashi clearly states that HE has come up with a new way to boost Naruto´s level in the short amount of time that is given. Therefore, it´s rather unlikely that Naruto´s remarkably fast learning skills are enough to complete that training fast enough, so a normal training like back then when he learned Rasengan won´t be enough. I personately hope that Kishi has come up with a training method that actually fits Naruto´s style and makes everyone go "damn, why didn´t we think of this?"...well Kishi hasn´t given me a reason yet to question him and his abilty to do twists like this, so why not get my hopes up for something absolutely unpredictable?

Ray_JeRed
July 04, 2006, 09:24 AM
aaa..

sooner or later itachi will be killed by his own brother.. :p

odeon
July 04, 2006, 09:44 AM
badIf he is your favourite character, your favourite character is a evil. Accept it, and maybe it will give you a little insight into your own soul.


yeah his bad and so...what, many people love the bad one and his the perfect vilain no doubt about it, and... his cool, personaly I don't need any other reson to like him (not my favorite character but still..)and I don't deny it, I took a peek at my soul lately, and I really think that I'm a self-centered idiot, egoist with a superiority complexe... hell yes, and you know what... I like it, and I like myself

kadoman
July 04, 2006, 09:50 AM
Steady on Odeon. GK has already come in and reminded us to stay firmly on topic! :) This is the place for the current Itachi discussion: http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=5281.0

donkeyhigh
July 04, 2006, 10:25 AM
Hm, yeah, if Sai finds a woman he likes, or thinks is pretty, it'll be fun. I mean, as he's understood conversating, feelings and nicknames so far, he thinks he's supossed to always say the opposite of what he thinks when talking to a woman about her features and qualities..
So, if he meets up with, let's say Temari, and likes her, I mean, who wouldn't, she's hot, strong and has one hell of a smile!
However, he'd probably tell her to screw off, tell her she has an ever bigger dick than Naruto even, and that she's ugly as a cebra-striped alcoholic German dwarf during Christmas in Sweden?. Her smile looks like a retarded giggling monkey and that she smells more manly than the socks he's used every day since he became ANBU.
I mean, he's really gonna get some "wind beneath his wings".. Oh, that was probably one of the dumbest things I've ever said. However, well, come to think of it, I never say anything smart.. mostly dumb things.. However, err, it'll be fun :)

Oh, and as for next chapter.. Err.. I guess I've kinda said it earlier..

Naruto: Trains with Kakashi.
Sakura: Trains with Tsunade.
Sai: Reads/views people as they conversate.
Kakashi: Shocks us with his new training methods. Something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from having ANYTHING to do with Sharingan.

- Done deal. :p :)

body flicker
July 04, 2006, 11:13 AM
yeah i agree with pjoto for prediction for the next chapter except i think sai will do more training then trying to learn how to talk to people

and also i think sai will like tenten the best becuase she does not actt so girlish(she worries about her ninja skills more than looks)

LightReaper
July 04, 2006, 11:16 AM
Naaa, Sai hasn't shown off all his latest tricks yet, judging from the last chapter he's much more itnerested in getting in touch with his emotions and meeting the people around him.

kubik
July 04, 2006, 12:06 PM
and also i think sai will like tenten the best becuase she does not actt so girlish(she worries about her ninja skills more than looks)
You mean Hinata, right? =D

Sai and Hina sitting on a tree... OMG what am I saying! *slapsforhead* NaruHina, NaruHina all the way!

Crimson
July 04, 2006, 12:31 PM
You mean Hinata, right? =D

Sai and Hina sitting on a tree... OMG what am I saying! *slapsforhead* NaruHina, NaruHina all the way!

Actually thats exactly what I think, lol. I think its possible that when Sai meets Hinata hell actually think shes pretty and have nothing but good things to say about her; I.e. Super akward moment. And id be even more akward considering hell probably be staring at her if that happens, and then shell blush, because she's ridiculously shy all the time, no matter who the guy is. Personally I still think theirs very little hope for NaruHina after all the NaruSaku hints Kishi has been throwing at us in part 2, but Kishi's been known to throw us some wicked curveballs, so anythings possible. Inclusing Sai x Hinata, lol.

angry
July 04, 2006, 01:33 PM
hey, thats actually not so far fetched... Hinata and Sai are both socially clueless ^^ they would make a very cute (albeit very quiet) couple ;-]

body flicker
July 04, 2006, 03:21 PM
they both could work beacuse thet are not the hair and make up type and and from what it seems sai likes girls like that

hinata is not clules whe it comes to people she is just very shy

its ethier tenten or hinata when it comes to sai with girls

LightReaper
July 04, 2006, 03:29 PM
I seriously think Sai will be spending next chapter bumping into the rest of the rookie 9, I too CANNOT WAIT for the Sai/Hinata confrontation, other favourites are Neji/Sai and Sai/Rock Lee.

Example 1:
Sai: Uh-h hum, Hello there, why are you hiding from Naruto?
Hinata: !
Hinata: I-i-uhhhh... hello, I was..
Sakura: She's a lil shy, introduce yourself, Sai-san.
Sai: Uhh yes, my name is Sai, I am the new member of team 7, pleased to meet you...
Hinata: Unn, my name is Hyuuga Hinata... *blush*
Sai: *hmmmm, i've heard of her. I should give her a nickname, not too rude because people hate that but they also seem to hate polite ones*
Sai: so.... Pervert-kun?
Sakura + Hinata : SHANNAROOO!!!!!! BAKA!!!!!!

*Neji training*
Sai: You are a Hyuuga too?
Neji: Who are you *guarded*
Sai: My name is Sai-san, pleased to meet you. I'm part of team 7, Kakashi-san's team.
Neji: Hmph
Sai: Hmph
Neji: HHMMMMMPH
Sai: HHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMPHHHHHHHHH!
Neji: I like you, let's train.
Sai: Yes, longhair-san
Sai: *He's not killing me yet, I succeeded! But why is he coming at me with killer intent!*
Neji: This is how I always train!
Sai: NOOOoooooooo!

I'd do a Rock lee one but i'm still trying to picture it in my head.

DeathcBlood
July 04, 2006, 04:08 PM
I seriously think Sai will be spending next chapter bumping into the rest of the rookie 9, I too CANNOT WAIT for the Sai/Hinata confrontation, other favourites are Neji/Sai and Sai/Rock Lee.

Example 1:
Sai: Uh-h hum, Hello there, why are you hiding from Naruto?
Hinata: !
Hinata: I-i-uhhhh... hello, I was..
Sakura: She's a lil shy, introduce yourself, Sai-san.
Sai: Uhh yes, my name is Sai, I am the new member of team 7, pleased to meet you...
Hinata: Unn, my name is Hyuuga Hinata... *blush*
Sai: *hmmmm, i've heard of her. I should give her a nickname, not too rude because people hate that but they also seem to hate polite ones*
Sai: so.... Pervert-kun?
Sakura + Hinata : SHANNAROOO!!!!!! BAKA!!!!!!

*Neji training*
Sai: You are a Hyuuga too?
Neji: Who are you *guarded*
Sai: My name is Sai-san, pleased to meet you. I'm part of team 7, Kakashi-san's team.
Neji: Hmph
Sai: Hmph
Neji: HHMMMMMPH
Sai: HHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMPHHHHHHHHH!
Neji: I like you, let's train.
Sai: Yes, longhair-san
Sai: *He's not killing me yet, I succeeded! But why is he coming at me with killer intent!*
Neji: This is how I always train!
Sai: NOOOoooooooo!

I'd do a Rock lee one but i'm still trying to picture it in my head.


lol that would be great thing to see in the next chapter

kubik
July 04, 2006, 04:31 PM
Pervert-kun? O_o? hehehe

Look at how Kishi is making romantic relationships [TsuDan, ShikaTema Sasuke's parents, Shika's parents, KureAsu{?}] in short: Opposite Attracts or Yin/Yang... I can't image loud Hinata or Sai...

LightReaper
July 04, 2006, 04:33 PM
Pervert-kun? O_o? hehehe

Look at how Kishi is making romantic relationships [TsuDan, ShikaTema Sasuke's parents, Shika's parents, KureAsu{?}] and you will know that SaiHina is not possible :)


TsuDan, wait, Tsunade and Danzou!? o_O

Sasuke's parents? what the heck has that gotta do with it, and how the hell did you make a connection between Tsunade and Danzou, THEY HATE EACH OTHER!

[Edit: Oh wait, Dan was the name of her old boyfriend wasn't it, NEVERMIND CRISIS AVERTED o_O]

kubik
July 04, 2006, 04:40 PM
Sasuke's parents? what the heck has that gotta do with it, and how the hell did you make a connection between Tsunade and Danzou, THEY HATE EACH OTHER!
I used canon couples :)

LightReaper
July 04, 2006, 04:46 PM
I used canon couples :)


Ok ok, now how do they draw a correlation to proving that Sai/Hina can't happen.

You've got to explain these things otherwise it's not much of a discussion, just an opinion.

kubik
July 04, 2006, 05:03 PM
Ok ok, now how do they draw a correlation to proving that Sai/Hina can't happen.
Kishi seems to build all his romantic relationships basing on YinYang or Opposite Atracts. Therefore SaiHina is unlikely to happen.

Miso
July 04, 2006, 05:08 PM
Guys and gals, please stay on topic! :)

Although it's surely funny to speculate about a Sai coupling this is not likely going to happen in the next chapter and thus here isn't the place to discuss it.

Please go to the Naruto Toshokan and discuss there.

kubik
July 04, 2006, 05:29 PM
kay!

hmm calm before the storm is what I WANT to see... will I see it? Propably not =='

DeathcBlood
July 04, 2006, 06:50 PM
kay!

hmm calm before the storm is what I WANT to see... will I see it? Propably not =='


You never know kishi does like to surprise us, which sorta keeps things interesting

donkeyhigh
July 05, 2006, 11:17 AM
Japanese people have freaky humor, much like myself. However, take Hideo Kojima as an example. He's made the perfect series of MGS, Metal Gear Solid - games.
If you've played MGS1 you'll understand what I mean.
Anyway, in MGS2, try walking up to the locker in the ...lockerroom with a sexy babe-poster on the inside if you open it. Now call "Otacon" and see what happens.
I mean, MGS is one of the more serious games out there, and the main hero character starts playing wih himself, in a no-no manner?
That's kinda funny if you ask me.. Crazy people :p :)

Oh well, I just can't wait to see what Kakashi thought of as training :)

alexavila
July 05, 2006, 12:33 PM
sai is homosexual

naruto and kakashi are already gone for training
akatsuki enters konoha...
some chapters of these guys fighting the konoha-people
then naruto comes back...

da_rippa
July 05, 2006, 01:24 PM
My prediction for 314 is, that we will see a boring chapter with a lot of useless chitchat.

zerocharisma
July 05, 2006, 03:16 PM
I like the useless chitchat, it makes the series better :)


Just a thought

z.

gold lion
July 05, 2006, 04:04 PM
I like the useless chitchat, it makes the series better :)


Just a thought

z.
ditto! i want more actually.

kuruptedyung1
July 05, 2006, 04:07 PM
lol.. i like chitchat. tha it said tha next chapter is when tha training will begin! training is never boring! even if its filled with dialogue.. theyre explaining how ninjutsu works! i predict Kakashi will explain to Naruto how this training will go down.. most likely throwing both of them into a mangekyou sharingan dimension where time will go by super slow. (i.e. DragonBall Z's Time place where goku and them achieved their super buff ascended saiyan ability)

kadoman
July 05, 2006, 04:24 PM
I only hope we don't get more of:

K: Naruto, I am going to teach you...
N: What? What are you going to teach me?
K: I am going to teach you...
N: Spit it out Kakashi-sensei, what are you going to teach me?

Knock, Knock

K: Oh look it's Asuma with our cups of tea
N: What are you going to teach me?
A: Here are your cups of tea. Drink heartily.
N: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TEACH ME?
K: Well, we must first drink this tea. Then I will tell you.
N: Damn, I was getting all psyched up.

End of chapter.

Please, no more of that!

And no more of: Look! A fight! Where? Over there! Where? It's over now. Aww...missed it.

Shambler
July 05, 2006, 04:26 PM
I'll put down a hundred pennies on the assumption of Asuma and Kurenai, with Asuma hoping to ask Kakashi to be his best man. But still it is speculative, damn Kishimoto. Damn the summer for making the days go by so freakin' slow, and most importantly damn the animators who keep making shitty filler episodes. I mean come on, you've hit 100+ filler episodes. The manga is far enough ahead of the anime, get back on the bloody freakin' track!


We haven't had 100+ filler episodes. Thats two years worth. I don't think anyone can sit through 2 years worth of Naruto filler and keep their sanity.

Heh heh I like the idea of Asuma asking Kakashi to be his best man. I'm a fan of Asuma x Kurenai but the thought of them getting married never crossed my mind. :D

Hidan and Kakuzu (in fact Akatsuki in genral) seem to be tackling this whole Jinchuuriki business in a very nonchalant way. This means that they are either A: Blithering idiots or B: Monsterously powerful. Either way I don't think its that implausable for them to simply march into Konoha, guns blazing, and try to snatch Naruto. However I don't think we will see them next chapter. I predict that it will be a chapter of Kakashi explaining Naruto's training, and then the chapter will end just as they get started.

destinator
July 05, 2006, 04:27 PM
Yeah same for me...also I want to SEE the training...not only talking about it!

LightReaper
July 05, 2006, 04:29 PM
Hahaha, you summed it up well Kadoman. The last chapter was such a cocktease.

HERE'S THE TRAINING INFO OH WAIT THERE IT WENT, OK NOW SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THE BIJUU FIGHT, OH WAIT LET'S SWITCH TO AN UNRELATED BBQ. Ha end of chapter suckers!

kadoman
July 05, 2006, 04:33 PM
Hahaha, you summed it up well Kadoman. The last chapter was such a cocktease.

HERE'S THE TRAINING INFO OH WAIT THERE IT WENT, OK NOW SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THE BIJUU FIGHT, OH WAIT LET'S SWITCH TO AN UNRELATED BBQ. Ha end of chapter suckers!


Yeah, don't ya just love random BBQs? I know I do. Like to have one myself every now and then (you know, randomly). Haha!!

OK...must predict. Well, like I said, just I predict we will not see another random BBQ but will in fact get some more info on Naruto's training. I'll be extremely annoyed if we don't. I also wonder if Itachi might make an appearance.

bigank
July 05, 2006, 04:55 PM
I think we will get more info about Naruto's training but just when he start on the training, he has to go on a low rank mission.

spactaa
July 05, 2006, 05:03 PM
where he will figure by himself what jutsu he needs to complete his fighting style?Why not.

angry
July 05, 2006, 05:13 PM
Yeah, don't ya just love random BBQs? I know I do. Like to have one myself every now and then (you know, randomly). Haha!!

I agree, but remember... we did get that awesome Ino-falling-in-love-look-that-makes-you-want-to-be-the-next-Ino-fan-boy panel on that random BBQ! So it wasn't a total waste ^^

MS. BEAUTIFUL!

TheGreenFlash
July 05, 2006, 05:33 PM
Hopefully its a interesting chapter with a lot of useless chitchat :p

gold lion
July 05, 2006, 05:52 PM
i predict that this training will be so far and above ever other type of training and so stressful that naruto will change his persona to that of wich he exhibits when he is fighting seriously, lets get wild!
and as a side, kakashi's training will be so effective, he will knock ebisu out of his spot as the #1 elite toutor. lol! jutsus too fast to copy!!! training anticipation is killing me!!!

Skeith
July 05, 2006, 06:20 PM
nah i don't think the training will change his persona too much, he may get serious quicker in fights and not screw around as much but in the end is wild unpredictable personality will continue thru to the end of the series...
the whole kakashi better then ebisu at teaching, i'd like that but then ebisu would be a bit of a useless character and not have much going for him...

gold lion
July 05, 2006, 06:39 PM
nah i don't think the training will change his persona too much, he may get serious quicker in fights and not screw around as much but in the end is wild unpredictable personality will continue thru to the end of the series...
the whole kakashi better then ebisu at teaching, i'd like that but then ebisu would be a bit of a useless character and not have much going for him...
in fights his wild personality intensifies, i said nothing of him getting a different one.

TheGreenFlash
July 05, 2006, 06:40 PM
Lol ebisu is already a useless character. Naruto already surpassed him with a kagebunshin sexy no jutsu

Skeith
July 05, 2006, 06:47 PM
i thought you meant in his everyday life he would be serious like in serious fights, i must have mis-understood sorry...

@TheGreenFlash
yeah thats true... btw its called the harem no jutsu
sigh that was funny....

extrasport161
July 05, 2006, 07:42 PM
ok, just a point about naruto's chakra capacity... think about how often naruto makes shado clones (a jutsu that's forbidden due to the amount of chakra it takes). like all the time, right? well how often was he tapping into the nine-tails when he was doing it? i don't think that often... for the majority of the time, he just goes around creating shadow clones like crazy. if that doesn't speak volumes for his own person chakra capacity then i don't know what does.

gold lion
July 05, 2006, 07:59 PM
ok, just a point about naruto's chakra capacity... think about how often naruto makes shado clones (a jutsu that's forbidden due to the amount of chakra it takes). like all the time, right? well how often was he tapping into the nine-tails when he was doing it? i don't think that often... for the majority of the time, he just goes around creating shadow clones like crazy. if that doesn't speak volumes for his own person chakra capacity then i don't know what does.
what does, read vol. 7 chapter 62, and this is after oro put the chakra limiting/disturbing seal on him!

Mikk1o5
July 05, 2006, 08:07 PM
Theres 9 jinchuuriki's and theres only 6 markers on the map, which also does not include Gaara, as the markers are all above fire country. That would mean theirs still 1 more jinchuuriki besides Naruto that they have not yet captured.


That is true........hmmmmm Do you think it's possible that maybe the last one is....:drumroll: Sasuke? lol that'll be wack! Anywho! This next chapter I predict is a lil' bit of some more talking.....getting it together how naruto will train and stuff. yea....besides all this i think last chapter made me a new fav character....:) anyone else think that hidan is awesome?

gold lion
July 05, 2006, 08:33 PM
That is true........hmmmmm Do you think it's possible that maybe the last one is....:drumroll: Sasuke? lol that'll be wack! Anywho! This next chapter I predict is a lil' bit of some more talking.....getting it together how naruto will train and stuff. yea....besides all this i think last chapter made me a new fav character....:) anyone else think that hidan is awesome?
heck yuh, funny guy, that hidan. i've started to train my laughing lungs for when naruto hands him his ass. :tem

Jus_a_drifter
July 05, 2006, 09:13 PM
Sasuke a jinchuuriki ?.....that'll suck cus I mean he got so much going for him already, then to make him a jin-dude that'll be like overkill. :blink

There are 7 markers on the map, so if they don't include Gaara then it'll just be naruto. But I like I said already i think the x's don't meant jin-dudes, there are prolly just locations that they've being.

Riddle me this guys....... if naruto is to indeed surpass kakashi, by learning this one jutsu, which implies that he strong enuff to take on the gifted sharigan therefore this jutsu is not a copyable jutsu or will it mean that naruto will be able to do seals extra fast , prolly like itachi ? I know he ain't to good wid seals and most of the ninjutsu he has learned/performed/favor have no or little hands seals but won't increase hand speed help and reduce the amount of effort needed to dispatch a sharigan quickly.

Riddle 2........... we have seen the 4th, and how he is constantly being to compared naruto and their similarities hashed out countless times, but what i have realised , negating all ansentry of naruto or he/4th connection, that when it comes to fighting they are quiet similar, and kishi plays on this to a "T" give naruto similar jutsu, creativity and teachers, so what i am thinking is this; the jutsu has never been done so it ain't the 4th's it'll be all naruto's , BUT we must remember we are fighting a sharigan and fast one at that, so why not make naruto faster as well ? why not give him hints to dimensional jutsu (if he hasn't learned one or two already) cus i mean they are hella fast and can't be followed by a sharigan eye, becuases for all intents and purposes he would be there.

Well that my take on the training, I maybe wrong but hey wanting to shoot off my mouth so ....I did :smile-big

TheGreenFlash
July 05, 2006, 09:38 PM
Sasuke a jinchuuriki ?.....that'll suck cus I mean he got so much going for him already, then to make him a jin-dude that'll be like overkill. :blink


Agreed, you cant give a character sharingan wich only 3 people alive have (That we know of) and a jinchuuriki wich only 9 people have (and i dont think gaara has his anymore so that makes 8 if akatsuki doesnt have any others....)

Kelmain
July 05, 2006, 10:20 PM
I said it once and I'll say it again, the missing jinchuuruki is Orochimaru itself, the "8 tails" demon is a snake, and every jinchuuruki we've meet had "demon features" such as Naruto's Whiskers, Gaara's Tanuki Eyes, and of course Kisame! wich is a Shark :D, now take a look to orochimaru's eyes and abilities, and you'll find out about the last jinchuuruki. "It's the final suprise" I don't have much time to explain it but well, if you take a look to japanesse mythology you'll find about the 3 tails demon (Isonade, a shark with a friend called "Samehada"), the 8 headed Snake with the Kusanagi sword... just like Orochi... just wait and see :D im pretty sure.

binkansarariman
July 05, 2006, 10:40 PM
yeah i agree, who else has the hachibi traits except Oro? hachibi as other names too: Hachimata & OROCHI!!

One Bad Mo Fo
July 05, 2006, 11:18 PM
I would bet that Orochimaru is Orochi itself taking a human form before him being a otherwise normal person w/ the hachibi sealed inside him. I'm a little doubtful of him being a jinchuuruki due soley to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachimata, but it's on Wikipedia so no telling how true it may be. But if there is some truth to that I'd look to the Akatsuki leader to be the jinchuuruki for the hachibi w/ his "9 dragon sealing technique", it reminds me alot of Kisame's various "shark" ninjitsus.

gold lion
July 05, 2006, 11:49 PM
I would bet that Orochimaru is Orochi itself taking a human form before him being a otherwise normal person w/ the hachibi sealed inside him. I'm a little doubtful of him being a jinchuuruki due soley to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachimata, but it's on Wikipedia so no telling how true it may be. But if there is some truth to that I'd look to the Akatsuki leader to be the jinchuuruki for the hachibi w/ his "9 dragon sealing technique", it reminds me alot of Kisame's various "shark" ninjitsus.
that would make perfect sense, but oro would have to be the 1 in a thousand year genious, and the 3rd did call him that. hmmm

TheGreenFlash
July 06, 2006, 12:39 AM
Then maybe naruto is going to pwnt the 8 tail snake with his 9 tail fox powers :noworry

venicia777
July 06, 2006, 01:05 AM
yeah i agree, who else has the hachibi traits except Oro? hachibi as other names too: Hachimata & OROCHI!!
mos t have made that connection. But lets expect kishimoto to surprise us.

gold lion
July 06, 2006, 01:11 AM
ino talks to sakura about sai, further irritating her. sakura trains sai to be a boyfriend. welcome to agony helllllaaaaahahahahah

Blazin_Cha0s
July 06, 2006, 01:12 AM
that would make perfect sense, but oro would have to be the 1 in a thousand year genious, and the 3rd did call him that. hmmm


Wasn't he also the last member of some clan? The clan was never named if I remember correctly. Maybe this clan worshipped Orochi or Hachimata or whatever and where killed for using it. I don't know.... All I can do sit back and wait to see what happens. While guessing what'll happen :p

NastyM
July 06, 2006, 01:16 AM
First of all, Kakashi said that Naruto "might" even surpass him.
Of corse, if Naruto didn´t surpass Kakashi after the training many fans will be dissapointed at his progress.

Im very curious, Kakashi clearly stated that Naruto is the only one who is capable of doing that training. Why is Naruto unique?

1: Kyuubi
2: Insane amount of chakra (even without Kyuubi´s aid)

The well known theory of Kakashi using "tsykyomi" on Naruto goes to the trash. Why couldn´t Kakashi use that on anyone else than Naruto? But, on the other hand, Naruto lended his chakra to Chiyo when she brought Gaara back to life so maby he can lend chakra to Kakashi so Kakashi doesn´t faint while using mangekyou sharingan to much.

Hmm, today´s the day we will know more. So, say after me! NEEED RAW, NEED RAW

gold lion
July 06, 2006, 01:20 AM
First of all, Kakashi said that Naruto "might" even surpass him.
Of corse, if Naruto didn´t surpass Kakashi after the training many fans will be dissapointed at his progress.

Im very curious, Kakashi clearly stated that Naruto is the only one who is capable of doing that training. Why is Naruto unique?

1: Kyuubi
2: Insane amount of chakra (even without Kyuubi´s aid)

The well known theory of Kakashi using "tsykyomi" on Naruto goes to the trash. Why couldn´t Kakashi use that on anyone else than Naruto? But, on the other hand, Naruto lended his chakra to Chiyo when she brought Gaara back to life so maby he can lend chakra to Kakashi so Kakashi doesn´t faint while using mangekyou sharingan to much.

Hmm, today´s the day we will know more. So, say after me! NEEED RAW, NEED RAW
y'know that has been suggested before. it could get interesting how they do it, vulcan mindlock maybe??

also what'll make the raw come faster?? thats' right, i'm going to sleep

angry
July 06, 2006, 02:20 AM
LOLOLOL!!! Vulcan mindlock ^^

Your mind into my mind... lol

TheGreenFlash
July 06, 2006, 03:15 AM
Hmm, today´s the day we will know more. So, say after me! NEEED RAW, NEED RAW


Although i know this wont help the raw come any faster....NEED RAW, NEED RAW :smile-big

kadoman
July 06, 2006, 03:20 AM
No, it won't help the RAW come out any faster and it's getting off topic guys. Friendly reminder. :)

If the RAW is late, GK will undoubtably open an Agony Thread, but unless he does that, please no Agonising in the Predictions thread (I know it's hard!).

lilmax
July 06, 2006, 03:39 AM
hmm yeah this is very interesting but the only thing i can see happening now in the story is that we get to know more about the training, it begins and then on some of the last pages we see kakuzu and hidan arrive at the outpost of konoha saying something crazy like "today will the kyuubi be ours" :O

but this training i actully can't understand how it will be done ^^
something naruto only can do, can be about his chakra or his determenation or maybe he his going to drink some crazy water that all the hokages drink to increase their strength and then it will show out that naruto can drink it because he his the son of yondaime XP i'm too farfetched? yeah..

NastyM
July 06, 2006, 03:45 AM
XP i'm too farfetched? yeah..



Farfetche´d is a pokemon.

Your just out of line! :)

SacredNic
July 06, 2006, 03:46 AM
What I wanna know is... how does one create a new jutsu?

And if creating jutsus is as easy as forming seals, could like Oro just randomly spend his days mixing them up until he strikes jackpot? :tem

NastyM
July 06, 2006, 03:51 AM
Hmm, im going to stick to topic, no more NEED RAW NEED RAW (oh, I did it again)

Yes, Naruto is the only one who can do this training. Has to do with that monstrous chakra of his.
Yeah, I would love to see Hidan and Kakuzu arrive in Konoha.
And I would love to see them "hint" what Jinchuuriki they are really after. I doupt its naruto. It just doesn´t make sense why Itachi would be resigned from that mission.

And on the topic of creating new jutsu I think that some justu are just made for certain people.
The 4th "flash" is his special jutsu. Rasengan seems to work for many people.

I wonder if sharingan can copy a unique jutsu like rasengan`?

ShgnLW
July 06, 2006, 04:04 AM
Mmm... maybe it can copy it, but performing the jutsu is something else.

angry
July 06, 2006, 04:10 AM
My final prediction for this chapter is:

Jiriaya will teach Sai how to do some peeping, they will later become friends and Sai will become the main artist of Jiriaya's books (some of the pictures will come to life, because of Sai's jutsu).

no, i'm not serious... just kidding ofc.

SacredNic
July 06, 2006, 04:18 AM
haha, good prediction!

gold lion
July 06, 2006, 04:37 AM
hello mrs. kadoman ma'am, i am officially requesting an agony thread, if my request is not met favorably..blatant begging will ensue. thank you

Gold Knight
July 06, 2006, 04:39 AM
Agony Thread isn't made until the RAW is late (and it's still early, it's only 5:38am EST on Thursday morning, for crying out loud!). If it's not out by noon, I'll make one. Until then, keep the spamming down plz guys. =_=

NastyM
July 06, 2006, 04:50 AM
The Golden Knight is in a bad mood. We should all calm down. He might kill us with some badass jutsu!:)
It´s crazy, the will to spam in agony is within us all. Why why?? I don´t understand.

I wonder if Sai and Sakura is going to help Naruto in his training?

What do you guys think?

siegfried
July 06, 2006, 04:52 AM
umm lets continue to predictions.I have found an original one.At least I never heard anybody saying it.

last week I have read dbz from begining to the end. man, I didnt know sharingan and hiraishin no jutsu were inspired from dbz. anyway when I think of what to inspire next from dbz ,it was obvious. FUSION.

Kakashi will fuse into Naruto(as Piccolo and Kami did) and Naruto will become very powerful.Thus he will be more powerful than kakashi and kakashi will be together with naruto all the time. everything matches.

maybe they will separate when they dont need it anymore.

gold lion
July 06, 2006, 04:58 AM
umm lets continue to predictions.I have found an original one.At least I never heard anybody saying it.

last week I have read dbz from begining to the end. man, I didnt know sharingan and hiraishin no jutsu were inspired from dbz. anyway when I think of what to inspire next from dbz ,it was obvious. FUSION.

Kakashi will fuse into Naruto(as Piccolo and Kami did) and Naruto will become very powerful.Thus he will be more powerful than kakashi and kakashi will be together with naruto all the time. everything matches.

maybe they will separate when they dont need it anymore.


...i will state for the record i love this manga, but if that happens..

Seralin
July 06, 2006, 04:59 AM
Kakashi giving his evolved eye to Naruto might be a better option than fusion. Naruto has Kyuubi to nullify anti Uchiha effects, after all.

gold lion
July 06, 2006, 05:03 AM
Kakashi giving his evolved eye to Naruto might be a better option than fusion. Naruto has Kyuubi to nullify anti Uchiha effects, after all.
why isn't naru asking kyuubi stuff about power aquisition, the universe ect, history.
i mean you have a super ancient demon as a captive audience, and your well being is in his best interest, y'know, ask

i predict naruto still won't ask kyuubi about madara and the sharingan

NastyM
July 06, 2006, 05:08 AM
Shishi, I agree with you. I´ve been pretty frustrated with that too.
Naruto should ask Kyuubi about many things. And you know, if he had told Sasuke that Kakashi had the mangekyou sharingan, maby Sasuke could have had some hope in achieving the MK sharingan without killing Naruto.

By the way, Kyuubi warned Sasuke about killing Naruto. He said he would regret it. I think the Mangekyou is cursed, but only if you achieve it when you kill your friend

Gold Knight
July 06, 2006, 05:09 AM
The Golden Knight is in a bad mood. We should all calm down. He might kill us with some badass jutsu!:)
It´s crazy, the will to spam in agony is within us all. Why why?? I don´t understand.


I'm not in a bad mood, lol. But you guys aren't giving Kadoman an easy time here; she had already mentioned that I wouldn't make an Agony thread until the RAW is officially treated as "late" last page, and yet people kept spamming :p


I wonder if Sai and Sakura is going to help Naruto in his training?

I hope so, or at least somebody from the Konoha 12. I think that one-on-one training sessions are kind of cliche now and I'd like to see more of team sparring as training periods. But if Kakashi is to train Naruto with his MS, that's not really likely to happen.

Still, I'm just glad to see Kakashi finally take an active interest in training Naruto.



FUSION.

Kakashi will fuse into Naruto(as Piccolo and Kami did) and Naruto will become very powerful.Thus he will be more powerful than kakashi and kakashi will be together with naruto all the time. everything matches.

maybe they will separate when they dont need it anymore.


Kakaruto, the ultimate Pervert! Add Jiraiya and you have Jirakaruto, and the end of the world is at hand.

Skeith
July 06, 2006, 05:16 AM
Kakaruto, the ultimate Pervert! Add Jiraiya and you have Jirakaruto, and the end of the world is at hand.


*sigh* if that were to happen i think this series would no longer be for kids 0.o
just think of all the poor konoha girls being peeped on... not being able to bathe without eyes watching them for 'inspiration'... those poor, poor... girls

Arsonist
July 06, 2006, 05:17 AM
Kakaruto, the ultimate Pervert! Add Jiraiya and you have Jirakaruto, and the end of the world is at hand.


Omg, wtf and holy hell! The end of the real world as well, cause if that happens I'll go ballistic!

On topic: I really, really, really hope that Kakashi has something other in mind than training Naruto with his MS. That would just be, ehm, lame? Maybe Kishimoto has something planned that includes the MS but please not the Time-Space-Training-Chamber-Of-Doom...

gold lion
July 06, 2006, 05:20 AM
Omg, wtf and holy hell! The end of the real world as well, cause if that happens I'll go ballistic!

On topic: I really, really, really hope that Kakashi has something other in mind than training Naruto with his MS. That would just be, ehm, lame? Maybe Kishimoto has something planned that includes the MS but please not the Time-Space-Training-Chamber-Of-Doom...
how is that lame? it's completely origional, like never been done before, has it??

siegfried
July 06, 2006, 05:21 AM
Kakashi giving his evolved eye to Naruto might be a better option than fusion. Naruto has Kyuubi to nullify anti Uchiha effects, after all.


I dont want to even joke about that theory.in another forum someone stupid invented a stupid theory named "orange sharingan" very long ago.according to that ,naruto will have sharingans and they will be orange coloured bla bla...

some even stupider people discussed about it for pages.now whenever I hear that I feel like puking.

SacredNic
July 06, 2006, 05:22 AM
Yeah if Kishi uses the same time thing idea from DBZ, they'll have to create a thread for rants and raves :tem

After all, we dont want Naruto to be like DBZ... in fact... let's get the hell away from DBZ altogether aye Kishi ;)

NastyM
July 06, 2006, 05:23 AM
well, we don´t know for sure that Kakashi can use Tsukyoimi. But we do know he can use the blackhole jutsu. Maby sending Naruto to another dimension where time goes by a lot slower.
Sounds cheap, but so does cursed seals!

Think about Sasuke, he must be the most cursed person in all history. First the sharingan. Kyuubi even said that that chakra was even more evil and cursed than his own. Then we have his cursed seal ontop of that.
Poor guy.

Arsonist
July 06, 2006, 05:27 AM
how is that lame? it's completely origional, like never been done before, has it??


If Kakashi is going to train Naruto using his sharingan, sending him into another dimension, then that will have DBZ written all over it. I mean, come on. Training in another dimension? I feel Im not the only one reacting like this?

angry
July 06, 2006, 05:29 AM
Fusion would be soooo lame.... its like Guyver when the bad guys fused together to form 1 ultra monster and then Guyver showed his titties and they died anyways.

Seralin
July 06, 2006, 05:29 AM
I don't think Naruto has the brains and interest to ask stuff or have a civilised discussion with Kyuubi (I guess many of his conversations take place around "damn fox"), especially if the animal in question has the characteristics of both a demon and a fox (in other words, highly capable of lying, deceiving, abusing, and killing, and etc.).



I dont want to even joke about that theory.in another forum someone stupid invented a stupid theory named "orange sharingan" very long ago.according to that ,naruto will have sharingans and they will be orange coloured bla bla...

some even stupider people discussed about it for pages.now whenever I hear that I feel like puking.
Were those theories also include orange sharingans summoning Kyuubi through the eyes? And by the way, where were they assuming Naruto getting the second Sharingan, from Sasuke or Itachi. I can imagine the trade with Itachi, "if you give me one of your eyes, I will give you my Kyuubi".

SacredNic
July 06, 2006, 05:31 AM
Well maybe Kishi has another trump card up his sleve. He has managed to surprise many of us in the past... :tem