Hajime no Ippo by Morikawa Jyoji

[Sherlock Holmes]

That's not a very good guage at all IMO, since Takamura's goal only really came into play later in the manga.

I guess they could milk this manga forever, but IMO it really should be past the half way point by now.

I know, but we know the manga won't end until at the very least, Takamura's goal is completed.

And then some more.

...I think the manga will have about 1000 more chapters before it ends.

[bellcrossage]

Miyata Fought an Australian but he was the Australian was OPBF champion at the time.

Yea, he fought Gregory, Arnie Gregory aka Crocodile. This was the fight that turned Mr. Sawaguchi onto "ending" Miyata's career by pitting his own fighters (Randy Boy was one of them) against Miyata.

Mr. Sawaguchi has since been slammed in the head by Takamura and has also vowed to never return to Japan (hopefully this remains true).

[Sachsenhesse]

such a shit, this guy is itagaki²

even vorg is surprised by his speed, this will become troublesome

[sabret00the]

such a shit, this guy is itagaki²

even vorg is surprised by his speed, this will become troublesome
not sure if i'd go that far, but he's definitely itagaki.

[Xaq]

Has he really thought all of the champions in the OPBF? If so, and Goku really is the last one, then he should already have a top ten world ranking and this is about cementing a title shot. That said, it really feels too soon to me for him to be going after a title shot. Has Miyata moved up a weight yet? Is so, i foresee Ippo grabbing that belt and using the momentum to go after the title shot.

According to the official OPBF these are all the places that participate in their league: Australia, Fiji, Guam, Hawaii, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Mongolia, New Zealand, PAMA, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Republic of China, Samoa, Thailand and Tonga.

Ippo has a LONG way to go.

[Sachsenhesse]

Ipoo is already ranked in the world. :P

rank 8 was it, if i´m not mistaken

i dont think he will fight all of those countrys, after that i think he will got to meixco or whatever, i would love to see an german boxer ^^

[Skrymir]

I don't think Ippo is ranked in the WBC. Last I recall, he was ranked 12 in the WBC. He may be higher in the WBA, but WBA has a lot of people running from Ricardo.

[bittman]

According to the official OPBF these are all the places that participate in their league: Australia, Fiji, Guam, Hawaii, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Mongolia, New Zealand, PAMA, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Republic of China, Samoa, Thailand and Tonga.

Ippo has a LONG way to go.

So out of that:

Scratch J = Thailand
Geddoh = Phillipines
New guy = Indonesia

Small countries probably won't be done: Samoa, Tonga, PNG, PAMA, Hong Kong, Guam, Fiji.

Leaves a list like:
Australia, Hawaii, India, Korea, Mongolia, New Zealand, China

Which realistically, will probably be:
Korea
Australia
maybe China
maybe Hawaii

I expect Korea, Australia might bring back the old OBPF champ, China is a maybe and I only say Hawaii to lead into the Americans. I doubt there'll be many more than 1 or 2 though until he's the "unofficial champion of the OBPF".

[Sachsenhesse]

vorg is 1. ranked wba

hell yeah ^^

[shouryuujo]

i hope vorg doesnt get defeated but it might be like Rocky vs tamura where tamura was surprised but retaliated and flatten him out...

[Sachsenhesse]

vorg defeatet by that monkey? never

he will say ippo that he is good, or even come to the fight of these both, but let vorg fall to that boxer would somehow destroy vorg... i mean he is 1 ranked in a higher weightclass

[Name-Undecided]

Vorg! I missed him!
And I wish they'd hurry up to the Ippo-Monkey Boy fight. Despite the hype I think this might be an easy fight for him.

[shouryuujo]

Vorg! I missed him!
And I wish they'd hurry up to the Ippo-Monkey Boy fight. Despite the hype I think this might be an easy fight for him.

no way. this fight will drag on for 2 months at least... pretty much all ippo fights with "preview char" has been long drawn out fights.

[bittman]

I expect Ippo's fight will have all the Speed Stars go "whoa dam, I don't wanna fight Ippo" but then believe they have nothing to worry about in the upcoming tournament.

However, Fuji (the guy who "won" against Malcom Geddo") will probably mix his style up and adopt something of Ippo's work.

I still expect Itagaki v Fuji since he's the obvious darkhorse and they've already tried to make it look like it's Karasawa and then Saeki.

[Sachsenhesse]

so we have now a glimpse of the monkeyboys power, he exchanged a punch with vorg and was still smiling, but one punch of ippo and the fear will reign :D

but... how will ippo get a punch in that monkeys face? will he do something like against saeki? ^^

[shouryuujo]

I think Vorg is prob faster than ippo and thus returned punches. I think monkey is less predictable than Saeki but I think Ippo will get him with good old fashioned body blows so he wont be jumping around so quickly.

[Naniwa's Tiger]

I Doubt Vorg Is Faster Then Ippo Surely Vorg Has Technique On Ippo But Hand Speed Is Another Story.

I Seriously Cant Imagine Ippo Losing To This Indo-Monkey Kid It'd Be Weird For Him To Have Another Set Back So That Leaves Us To Wonder How Exactly Does Ippo And Kamogawa Fight The Fight.

[Sorata]

I Doubt Vorg Is Faster Then Ippo Surely Vorg Has Technique On Ippo But Hand Speed Is Another Story.


Are you serious??? In terms o hand speed Vrog is one of the best in the manga, the White Fang proves that, he´s certanly faster than Ippo in almost every aspect.

[Naniwa's Tiger]

I Agree Definitely One Of The Best In The Manga Yet Not Quite As Fast Ippo.
If He Was Even Close To As Fast Ippo. They Might Have Had Dual Exchanges When Punching But If Memory Serves They Didnt And Ippo Won By Uppercut Knockout Cause Vorg Couldnt Hold Hid Breath While Punching Anymore.

[Sorata]

I Agree Definitely One Of The Best In The Manga Yet Not Quite As Fast Ippo.
If He Was Even Close To As Fast Ippo. They Might Have Had Dual Exchanges When Punching But If Memory Serves They Didnt And Ippo Won By Uppercut Knockout Cause Vorg Couldnt Hold Hid Breath While Punching Anymore.

That was because Ippo had more stamina, not because of hand speed, it´s easy to understand, Hayami was pretty fast with the Shotgun, that Hayami said that the White Fang is faster than the shotgun, i never saw Ippo do any kind of hand speed combo and Vorg is very good at using counters, so it´s obvious that he´s faster than Ippo.

[bittman]

So the fighter to put Ippo back on track is someone he just met? I don't know, I feel like they're trying to push the fact that this will be a great match on us rather than actually feeling like it will be a great match. I mean, the moment the first Sendo v Ippo fight was announced I felt something good would come of it. The second one gave me chills.

Trying to allude to that feeling with someone Ippo knows nothing about is strange. The only feeling I got from this, that we haven't for a while, is that Ippo is entering this with the "challenger" mindset.

[Sachsenhesse]

i´m totally sure that ippo will crush him to pieces, that guy is no randy boy jr... once captured its over and ippo with such a expression is... hard ^^

maybe we will see the sakki thing like that time against sendo, so that the monkeyboy jumps in his glove at his own ^^

[BlackHair]

Wasn't this a weekly shounen manga? I'm getting the feeling it gets every two weeks out or sth.. xD

[Sachsenhesse]

jeah its weekly xD but i want it faster too

voli gets his ass kicked :D ippos greeting was really nice and now the real deal begins

the only thing i´m not liking is the characterchange from volis trainer, he was first a really hard person and now he gets more and more comedy :/

[elitefox]

jeah its weekly xD but i want it faster too

voli gets his ass kicked :D ippos greeting was really nice and now the real deal begins

the only thing i´m not liking is the characterchange from volis trainer, he was first a really hard person and now he gets more and more comedy :/

Maybe because he trust woli too much... loves him more of a son...

woli's down :D, what did Ippo make his down, woli seemed that he dodge everything then fell down?

[Drmke]

Ippo will beat Wali easily....Wali might show up later as a true rival when he gets more experience.

O and happy 20th Anniversary to Ippo!! :tem

[elitefox]

I agree with you and I do believe that woli still has to be refined to be a world ranker and need to have a lot more training and seriousness... but how come vorg didn't continue to spar?

[Sachsenhesse]

because then it would be to obvious how woli is to defeat?

damn i cannot read the raw, why that D:

Edit after reading raw:

Fuck yeah! Go ippo go! i think he made the same thing as in his spar against miyata where he just minimal touched his chin ^^

now i´m totally sure, woli doenst stand a chance :D ippo is in fighting mood and has full concentration, there is no way after this down that woli can come back

[curvinho]

what happened to all HnI scans e raws?
there are none in MH...

[The Boff]

what happened to all HnI scans e raws?
there are none in MH...

there arent that many groups that scanlate HnI unfortunatly. but Ignition-One has a reader on their webpage, otherwise you can just read them on onemanga.com

[Katz]

I just recently started reading Ippo as a filler manga just for something to cut my teeth on, I was skeptical cause I've never been a boxing fan and I never thought a boxing manga would be all that great........WOW I was very wrong, I love this manga with a passion. In about 4 days I've read all the way to chapter 545 (the Takamura vs. Golden Eagle fight) and I just can't put it down and since I'm a avid MHer, you'll see more around this particular section.

I really love the art style of this manga, the way the fights are drawn and the way they play out is something to be admired, I'd have to say this is highly underated manga, the way I found out about it was an AMV I watched on youtube....

I'm looking forward to the Ippo/Miyata 2....again I'm not caught up so if for some reason that's de-railed, DON'T SPOIL ^^

[Sachsenhesse]

oh man... you will get the same feeling we all had here... ^^

[sharingan_kakashi]

there arent that many groups that scanlate HnI unfortunatly. but Ignition-One has a reader on their webpage, otherwise you can just read them on onemanga.com

do you know why all of it was removed? is it because of Viz licensing issues?

[Drmke]

do you know why all of it was removed? is it because of Viz licensing issues?

Viz hasn't licensed it...has it? O_o

[Meromorphe]

do you know why all of it was removed? is it because of Viz licensing issues?
Because it is a Kodansha manga, see the news here (http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/218).
And now, get back on topic please.

[toniCHRYSA]

YEAHHHHHH! Kill that fool ippo! hehe! I hope ippo breaks all of woli's ribs

[Avi]

/Waits for the Woli explosion.

[tenebrae]

this fight is not going the way i imagined now i am starting to think he will put up a fight but not be a match and be an eventual opponent of either him or maybe even itagaki who seems to be doubting woli's skill. But i now predict this fight to be more of a lesson for woli instead of ippo really improving like i first thought.

[Katz]

I see Ippo winning this one, possibly setting up a match between Woli vs. Itagaki furthur down the road.......I wanna see Takamura lose atleast once soon, one thing I don't like about this manga is that there's only little tidbits here and there on when a year passes and such

[Drmke]

I see Ippo winning this one, possibly setting up a match between Woli vs. Itagaki furthur down the road.......I wanna see Takamura lose atleast once soon, one thing I don't like about this manga is that there's only little tidbits here and there on when a year passes and such

Takamura will never lose....ever lol

And yeah Ippo will take this match and then Woli will have learned what its like to lose and actually want to train to get better so one day he can challenge Ippo again. And I could totally see Woli versus Itagaki as well.

[Katz]

I just read on wiki and I didn't know Ippo has been going for almost 20 years now, does it go on long hiatuses from time to time? just seems like there should be alot more chapters.

[Name-Undecided]

The occasional missed week, but for the most part Morikawa is very regular. Unlike many other mangaka I could name...
Most weekly manga mags in Japan put out between 45 and 47 issues a year (breaks for holidays and stuff). 45 x 20 years = 900 issues. 47 x 20 years = 940 issues. So if Morikawa has 867 chapters out, that's about right.

[ssjsned]

[QUOTE=Drmke;1572492]Takamura will never lose....ever lol

Well I could see kamagawa mabe passing away oneday(I hope not) after Takamura becomes champion in every weight class above him therefore ippo and takamura wouldnt train in the same gym and takamura would wait for Ippo to climb up in weight classes as he cuts his weight Asihita no Joe style and have them battle each other somewhere in the middle. You know someday There gona fight they just have too.All i know is if it ever went down man it would be epic. If i would bet id bet on ippo(future more lethal Ippo) And probly see Taka retire in boxing to inherit/run the family buisness cause he is the king/champ. I could see taka in charge of the buisness helpin the poorer people of japan like joe planed to b4 he went to juve. Bah Im just dreamin up stuff but man taka vs ippo in the ring who knows. (sorry about typos im bad at spelling)

[Astral_Shive]

Takamura will kill Ippo ........
They better not fight lol

[Katz]

I think the only fighter that has been shown that would really have a shot at beating Takamura is Ricardo Martinez even though the weight gap is huge...Martinez has the ability

[BlackHair]

I have to disagree there. Takamura... his character is build as invincible. While Ricardo not. He will never lose, that 1 thing is sure. I mean even the protagonist has chances to lose, but not Takamura.

[toniCHRYSA]

Wow.. Ippo was like I ain't scared fool this is what i wanted to see from the start! Sweet stare....

[Sachsenhesse]

hm wtf D:

he fights like bryan hawk, this is getting fucking intersting! ^^

[Katz]

I think Woli's ribcage is in for a tough fight ^^

Lol at him fighting like Hawk as well

[BlackHair]

Great Ippo acting like a man. It almost seems he lost his wimpy part, then again he was never wimpy in a fight. But his expression .. is sure different.

Woli.. so he has better potential than Takumara according to the trainer.. huh?!

[kai-uchiha]

funny, when they showed woli preparing for his battle against ippo, because he was checking the ropes, i thought he'd be bouncing from rope to rope all the time, but looks like i was wrong.

[Katz]

He might resort to that...but Ippo is gonna win this fight

[FiliaRyu]

I agree Ippo will win, plus his trainer has already admitted that he's putting Woli in against him too early and that it's for Woli to learn/grow from the fight.
Chapter 870 is out. and...
Looks like woli isn't limited to fighting like brying hawk - he also uses the smash when backed up against the ropes.

I also think Takamura won't be allowed to lose, unless it's on a technicality with a rematch that later declares him the winner, whilst he conquers his six weight classes. However each one of his title matches will probably push him to the edge in some way, shape, or form - otherwise his matches wouldn't be so damn cool!!

[Quetz]

I just pulled a marathon and read this manga in ~ 4 days. Some good fights, some freakin' awful fights (against that one vet who pretended to be sick? that shit drug on and onnnnnnnn and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn), overall a pretty good series.

I'm looking forward to this fight more than most, but I can't help but think that a lighter bryan hawk isn't goign to be much of a match for ippo, eh?

See the picture in my sig? I, a person of zero experience (and questionable talent) threw that together with photoshop, because I feel that the series it links to is well worth your time to read. Why would I do this? Because it's just that good. Click the pic, and read the story.

[Drmke]

I just pulled a marathon and read this manga in ~ 4 days. Some good fights, some freakin' awful fights (against that one vet who pretended to be sick? that shit drug on and onnnnnnnn and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn), overall a pretty good series.

Yeah every fight in Hajime no Ippo drags on and on :XD but that's why we love it.


I'm looking forward to this fight more than most, but I can't help but think that a lighter bryan hawk isn't goign to be much of a match for ippo, eh?

Yeah Woli will get beat in this fight...probably hard. Then, he will go train, get some more fights under his belt, and either become and rival for Ippo or Itagaki....probably Itagaki.

[Pavitre]

wow woli really is fighting like bryan hawk there. he also seems like a smart boxer.
for now ippo would win but imagine how much stronger he would become if he gained more experience
[hr]
next chapter is out, and things are not looking good.

Not only this guys moves like bryan and is fast like miyata his punches are damn accurate, man I dom't know how this fights gonna end.
But when Ippo wins this match then I think he'll be qualified to face Miyata, cause woli's not an ordinary opponent

[Drmke]

But when Ippo wins this match then I think he'll be qualified to face Miyata, cause woli's not an ordinary opponent

I think, and this has been said in the manga many times, that Ippo will never get to face Miyata. But if by some chance they do, I think it will be as Morikawa slowly dies in a hospital. He will draw the fight and die before its over leaving an open ending. :p

[Pavitre]

I think, and this has been said in the manga many times, that Ippo will never get to face Miyata. But if by some chance they do, I think it will be as Morikawa slowly dies in a hospital. He will draw the fight and die before its over leaving an open ending. :p

These citings will always keep springing up about this and that not happening in a manga, one thing is for certain that they'll fight each other again in the pro ring. Now I think this all will be centered around the character Ricardo Martinez. We know one thing that makunouchi will definitely fight him one day and end his winning streak, miyata will also do something noteworthy in his area, and they'll face each other again

[toniCHRYSA]

Damn only 14 pages ...But still good.. I just thought ippo really got him with that body shot though!!!!! Woli's good!!!

[Pavitre]

Damn only 14 pages ...But still good.. I just thought ippo really got him with that body shot though!!!!! Woli's good!!!

He didn't actually, he jumped back, I think Woli's going to give a lot of trouble to Ippo till the half of the match concludes. Although he deduced from the video about his agility and all still those awkward shots are going to trouble him very much

[guardian_2000]

Is Woli the Echizen of boxing? Actually better would be to say he is like that american boy who watched the tapes perhaps.

[Sachsenhesse]

baaaah when comes the new chapter :/

so guys which fight you enjoyed the most? i totally love scratch J vs. ippo, thats real all or nothing boxing ^^

[Sorata]

so guys which fight you enjoyed the most? i totally love scratch J vs. ippo, thats real all or nothing boxing ^^

Are you asking from the entire series or just recently???

My top 5 matches from Ippo are:

1st - Takamura vs Hawk(the build up and the fight were just perfect, by far the best fight i have ever seen in a manga)

2nd - Kimura vs Mashiba(i was shocked on how much i loved this match, the build up was awesome with Mashiba as an unstopable monster and Kimura facing retirement and learning a finishing move, the ending was super emotional)

3rd - Ippo vs Sendo II(Such a brutal and physical match, it comes second only to Takamura vs Hawk, Sendo is my favorite character so i was really sad when he lost...but at least i was expecting it)

4th - Martinez vs Date(the fight itself was bad, but the emotion and build up towards it made the match awesome, teh "Farewell Date Eijii" was really touching)

5th - Mashiba vs Sawamura(this match was awesome, i really like Mashiba´s attitude, one thing that i didn´t like about Ippo vs Sawamura was how Ippo was so scared of Sawamura despite him beating up Kumi; everything about this match was awesome, the first technical part and the "brawl" towards the end)

[Sachsenhesse]

jeah mashiba is everytime a great opponent, he just has style und that badassattitude that a villain needs

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the new chapter is out :D holy fucking shit whats up with that guy.. flicker, smash, speed, hawks movements... this will end in dempsey roll vs. dempsey roll

[Pavitre]

It's like Ippo is facing all of his opponents again.
He hasn't realized it yet but, as the match progresses Ippo will realize that he already knows how to beat all of them, and possibly this will be the match to take Ippo to the next lvl

[Katz]

decent chapter, I would have liked to see Ippo maybe land a good body blow to end the chapter, woli is defiantly a prodigy being able to use so many techs.

[radicalbyte]

372 scan is out, and 373 raw's linked from this french forum..

http://www.hajime-no-ippo.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=744

[Wrath]

This fight is going way too well. At this point it's always unfortunate that Woli will begin to dominate... I wish Ippo could actually win this fight easily for once.

[BlackHair]

In good old days HnI chapters were weekly releases, now idk why but it is not. I also would like to see Ippo winning a easy fight. It has certainly been a while.

Woli, well I dislike his character. He has too many great techniques. Those moves were special and hard to learn, but htis guy can do them easily. He somehow downplay Mashiba and Sendo.

[shouryuujo]

woli is too cocky and seemingly acts a bit arrogant imo - i think that may be his downfall. His MAIN trick seems to be the rope jumping/grasping. The techniques Woli uses are probably not perfect - it kinda reminds me of a prince of tennis match where this guy "imitates" other moves but Ichizen has faced many opponents who mastered or are so much more proficient in them. So I believe once Ippo figures out a counter to Woli's jumping ability (maybe lure him to the MIDDLE where he cant grab the sides) he can beat Woli.

[Wrath]

woli is too cocky and seemingly acts a bit arrogant imo - i think that may be his downfall. His MAIN trick seems to be the rope jumping/grasping. The techniques Woli uses are probably not perfect - it kinda reminds me of a prince of tennis match where this guy "imitates" other moves but Ichizen has faced many opponents who mastered or are so much more proficient in them. So I believe once Ippo figures out a counter to Woli's jumping ability (maybe lure him to the MIDDLE where he cant grab the sides) he can beat Woli.
Well, Woli doesn't really "know" all those moves. He doesn't know any actual techniques, he just has instincts that tell him what's best to do in any situation. Everything he does is a wild, lucky punch. That's part of why I want Ippo to just win easily, even though that never really happens.

[shouryuujo]

Well, Woli doesn't really "know" all those moves. He doesn't know any actual techniques, he just has instincts that tell him what's best to do in any situation. Everything he does is a wild, lucky punch. That's part of why I want Ippo to just win easily, even though that never really happens.

he doesnt that why i said the others are more proficient - i mean ippo didnt know dempsey roll but just did it because of his instincts. This is gonna be a long fight because the mangaka bothered making the opponent's backstory - ippo blowouts are usually against "no name" opponents or when he's trying something new.

On a side note... i am still interested in Takamura's eye "problem". i dont think it was ever resolved 100%.

[tenebrae]

i think he will be a future opponent for itagaki this fight is advancing far too quickly for it to be a last till the final round then knock the opponent out fight.

[BlackHair]

On a side note... i am still interested in Takamura's eye "problem". i dont think it was ever resolved 100%.Actually I thought it was solved. I mean during the fight his healthy eye got wounded so he had to fight with his other eye, which Myata and Ippo tought were damaged. However Taka was still able to fight properly with his "problem" eye. So I guess it was solved back then. I don't expect any more chapters on that.

[Pavitre]

woli is handful for Makunouchi, he's like the worst style of player Makunouchi can face.
Remember, ippo's coach has always been the one to guide him in his fights, whenever his opponents throw something unusual at him, but he's the type of opponent that has many tricks up his sleeves, so everytime a new trick will come up and it will have to adapted to in the ring itself,, so Ippo will himself have to adapt to the fight and not just go around in a head in fight unlike his other battle loving opponents.
but I also believe once ippo hit's him with full force his legs are gonna start shaking

[toniCHRYSA]

This is bull! Ippo's getting creamed easy.. When am I gonna see some crazy damage inflicted on Woli? I hate Woli's lil smirk! Break some ribs!!! DAMNIT!

[shouryuujo]

yeah the new raw is worse for ippo. Unless ippo unlocks his 7th sense to sense opp's movements like he did against the speedster (saki?) he is screwed. None of tactics are working and Woli is still fine. Not sure how Woli's stamina is holding up but ippo is the one getting all the hits. Maybe if ippo does "2 hit combos" like hit in one direction and predicts woli's movement to another and immediately lands a punch there?

[Sachsenhesse]

goddamnit this was unexpected... ippo did predict him fully and that guy does some crazy move out of the blue... :/

ippo better knocks this bastard out with 3 rounds he should be only a 6 rounder at max, but i think we all agreee that we dont want to see woli lose because of his stamina, he should lose because of ippos punches D:

[Wrath]

Actually I thought it was solved. I mean during the fight his healthy eye got wounded so he had to fight with his other eye, which Myata and Ippo tought were damaged. However Taka was still able to fight properly with his "problem" eye. So I guess it was solved back then. I don't expect any more chapters on that.
Well not so long ago there was a line about how Takamura might have a secret reason for being in such a hurry to fight. I don't know whether Takamura really is damaged somehow, but I'm pretty sure we'll see the eye thing come back again in the future. You know, assuming we live that long.

As for this latest chapter... I might have liked it more if the line about how he was in mid air and couldn't change direction hadn't immediately made me say "Unless he uses the rope".

[shouryuujo]

maybe ippo bounce around the ropes to mess woli's rythm? or ippo could play in a corner himself so woli and pull those crazy moves behind him? but woli has to bite since he is no doubt winning on points...

[a_nevels666]

maybe ippo bounce around the ropes to mess woli's rythm? or ippo could play in a corner himself so woli and pull those crazy moves behind him? but woli has to bite since he is no doubt winning on points...

I doubt if Woli is smart enough to try to win on points, seems out of character for him. If Ippo turtled up he would probably still try to attack him, since he's fighting mostly on instinct.

[shouryuujo]

i think Woli might end up like ippo when ippo faced Date - bewildered by how date was all good after all those hits and start to lose confidence. But ippo has to get rid of woli's rhythm/confidence first

[Bucks]

I love this manga, I really do. This fight is proving to be epic, can't wait for the turn around. :D

[Drmke]

I love this manga, I really do. This fight is proving to be epic, can't wait for the turn around. :D

Eh...this fight is not even remotely as epic as say the first Ippo v. Sendo or Ippo v. Dante fights. Pretty much all of Ippo's fights against champions from other countries have been kinda predictable. Everyone thinks Ippo will win, the fighter he's fighting proves to be more of a challenge than previously thought, they pound of Ippo for a few rounds, then Ippo turns it around and wins. Which is exactly how this fight is going and how I think it will end.

I just want this part of the series to be over so we can get to Ippo challenging the world. That's where the good fights will be.

[Katz]

Agreed Drmke, this fight is getting drawn out if all Woli is gonna do is "rope bounce' away everytime, its time for Ippo to move to challenge the world.

[Bucks]

Eh...this fight is not even remotely as epic as say the first Ippo v. Sendo or Ippo v. Dante fights. Pretty much all of Ippo's fights against champions from other countries have been kinda predictable. Everyone thinks Ippo will win, the fighter he's fighting proves to be more of a challenge than previously thought, they pound of Ippo for a few rounds, then Ippo turns it around and wins. Which is exactly how this fight is going and how I think it will end.

I just want this part of the series to be over so we can get to Ippo challenging the world. That's where the good fights will be.

:P

Well no, not that epic. But it's still proving to be an entertaining fight.

[Wrath]

Eh...this fight is not even remotely as epic as say the first Ippo v. Sendo or Ippo v. Dante fights. Pretty much all of Ippo's fights against champions from other countries have been kinda predictable. Everyone thinks Ippo will win, the fighter he's fighting proves to be more of a challenge than previously thought, they pound of Ippo for a few rounds, then Ippo turns it around and wins. Which is exactly how this fight is going and how I think it will end.

I just want this part of the series to be over so we can get to Ippo challenging the world. That's where the good fights will be.
I agree. I don't think this fight is epic at all. Sure, Woli is really talented, but we all know that in the end it's just going to come down to the fact that Ippo is far more experienced. There's a certain thrill to be expected when Ippo finally starts to win, but right now it's just boring me.

At least with Gedo the tricks weren't so obvious.

[shouryuujo]

new chapter.... more ippo getting beat - no new development... no i hate woli whenever i see his arrogant cocky face

[Katz]

Wow, I dont even feel like bother reading it, you basically probably just laid out the entire chapter.

[Pavitre]

okay so we've had 3 or 4 ch of Ippo getting beat and woli without a scratch? thats freakin ridiculous. If he was fighting Ricardo I would've expected it, but Ippo always get's so panicked whenever something new comes out. guesss this time as well the Coach will have to tell him how to fight Woli

[Raigon]

okay so we've had 3 or 4 ch of Ippo getting beat and woli without a scratch?

Well, but that always happens with Ippo. His fights are always in the following pattern: Early stage Ippo takes the lead, then Ippo's beaten to the pulp by his opponent in the middle stage when they show their special moves, and then Ippo figures everything out and makes a comeback.

I'm just disappointed Woli hasn't given Ippo a down yet. It's a for sure win for Ippo, just like Ippo with almost every other fight of his. It's because Woli's still in his early stage and I think that Woli might return after his defeat to challenge Ippo in the world stage.

Hajime No Ippo's being going for almost 900 chapters. I think it's finally heading into the direction where Ippo may head towards the world stage and Ippo needs some opponents to fight in the path to world conquest - including Miyata (I seriously think the author's saving the fight between the two for the world title fight)... and I can't think of anyone else anymore (unless you count Itagaki, but he's in the same gym, and God I hate that kid). Almost everyone else who's fought Ippo has moved up/down a class or two or retired, and he's in lack of old rivals to fight. Woli's perfect. He genuinely loves boxing, has a wonderfully annoying attitude, and he's a speed demon. Now we just need someone who's a clone of Ippo and we're set.

Which is why I'm really hoping to see Woli kick Ippo's ass before being taken down due to lack of experience. Otherwise it'll just be the same victory pattern as Ippo's 21 other victories (or is it 22? I forgot)

[Pavitre]

What do you mean by needing a clone of Ippo?

[bittman]

Basically Raigon means that what Ippo needs is someone to fight who is a very similar style of fighter to himself. Before Ippo gets world champ, he'd need to be seen as the man with the greatest power and endurance worldwide.

That said, I feel Sendo really is a bigger Ippo so he would be my "Ippo clone".

But yeah, I'm with Raigon. Hopefully what the author is doing here is creating more rivals for Ippo that he can take on in a more "international" stage. Right now Miyata and Ricardo are the only fights we can places bets on looking forward to, but even then we know at least one of these fights is probably another 200 chapters away minimum and who knows what's going on with Miyata v Ippo.

With other good rivals such as Vorg and Mashiba moving to different weight classes, a hint that Miyata might need to move up whilst Sendo is being left behind, and other goodies such as Date and themasochistguywhosenameIcannotremember retiring, what Ippo needs is some new rivals to connect him between now and #1.

But yeah, for now I can't see Ippo losing, and the hint that Woli will return is huge.

[Pavitre]

If Ippo's ever going to face Ricardo, then he's gonna have to learn to avoid those quick jabs, man Ricardo is like Taku, they've both been setup like monsters.

[shouryuujo]

i just hope next fight ippo fights back. But from ippo's pace it is more likely he gets beat up some more and ends with chat from trainer.

[Bludvein]

Ippo needs to stop accumulating brain damage every fight. Im getting tired of the whole get beat down and then make a come-back. Ippo just needs to beat his challenger's ass'es and move onto the world stage.

Oh, and he needs to get moving on his relationship. Hes liked that girl for years and hasnt even asked her out for a single date -.-.

[brebaz]

875 is out with only 13 page of shame!!!

[Katz]

Yea...13 pages of Ippo hurting and Woli's GODAMN smile....this is getting way to dragged out..

[shouryuujo]

i think this is going to end up a stamina battle.... woli seemed wobbled for a second so this chapter was not a complete loss for ippo. he is starting to figure things out bit by bit like he usually does.

[Pavitre]

yeah, it's like how he fought against that "shotgun" guy in the rookie championship and that Gedoh guy who used cheap tricks, except that Woli here is a lvl above them. ippo will have to pull out all stops to beat him

[Drmke]

This fight better not turn into a stamina battle. Its only the 2nd round! I expected a drug out fight, but its annoying that Ippo has yet to do anything short of barely touching Woli and making him fall down. Woli is still uninjured while the Japanese champion with I think 7 or 8 title defenses is beat all to hell....its really disappointing. I hope something better happens in 876.

[Katz]

I havent really payed attention to this fight at all, but how many times has Ippo actually punched woli now? 2-3 times?

[Drmke]

I havent really payed attention to this fight at all, but how many times has Ippo actually punched woli now? 2-3 times?

Nope, Ippo has only nicked him once. No full contact yet.

[Bludvein]

I havent really payed attention to this fight at all, but how many times has Ippo actually punched woli now? 2-3 times?

Not even once, its bloody annoying. This a one-sided beatdown by a rookie. The whole get owned for x rounds and then make a turnaround thing is getting old.:eyeroll You can only do that so many times..

[Franckie]

Not even once, its bloody annoying. This a one-sided beatdown by a rookie. The whole get owned for x rounds and then make a turnaround thing is getting old.:eyeroll You can only do that so many times..

Yeah, that's been happening ever since chapter one. And the current fight...:bored

[Wrath]

Well, actually Ippo has had an easy time in some of his fights. For example he beat... Hayami...? Whatever his name was, Ippo knocked out that guy in a single round. That was cool because Hayami (or whatever) was made out to be incredibly strong, and yet Ippo went in with a plan, waited for his moment and then executed it successfully.

There are some other examples like that. It's just that there hasn't been one for a while.

[Drmke]

Well, actually Ippo has had an easy time in some of his fights. For example he beat... Hayami...? Whatever his name was, Ippo knocked out that guy in a single round. That was cool because Hayami (or whatever) was made out to be incredibly strong, and yet Ippo went in with a plan, waited for his moment and then executed it successfully.

There are some other examples like that. It's just that there hasn't been one for a while.

Hayami was a fight where if Ippo hadn't knocked him out in the first round he would have lost. He still had a hell of a time in that one round. He has actually only won one fight easily, and it was just some no name fighter.

[bittman]

Yeah, I was looking forward to this fight too actually, and I felt like it started well. But what are we now? 5 straight chapters of Woli beats up Ippo without a break?

Gedo was the same thing really. We all knew what was going on from the start and then we spent 10 chapters watching Ippo fail. I still fail to see how Gedo almost beat Ippo with an open hand, it's a joke. Surely if you can dodge a flicker you can dodge a slightly longer gloved punch.

Anyway, Woli is really easy to deal with. If Ippo stopped attacking for a moment and went on the defensive he'd be able to find an oppurtunity. As it is all Woli has done is basically counter. Surely Ippo wasn't going to just charge Miyata with such reckless attacks? You'd think someone aiming to be good against counters would be going better than this?

Bah. One-sided battles aren't interesting. All of Ippo's best battles have had a stage where he's been outmatched completely, but still appears to be sticking in it. Sendo and Date for example he definitely got an early advantage in.

ANYWAY! 360 Dempsey Roll incoming. I think it's pretty obvious since Ippo "doesnt know how to deal with enemies from above and below." Sounds like a perfect excuse for the new 360 Dempsey, even if it's still incomplete.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Hayami was a fight where if Ippo hadn't knocked him out in the first round he would have lost. He still had a hell of a time in that one round. He has actually only won one fight easily, and it was just some no name fighter.

Don't forget that Ippo pretty much owned Karasawa when they fought. Wasn't the fight only 2 rounds?

If Ippo was facing ordinary boxers and struggling, then I'd have a problem with it. But Gedo was a very talented boxer who tripped Ippo up with all of his tricks, and Woli is a bizarre guy who has a completely unorthodox style. I don't think it's unrealistic for Ippo to struggle in this fight.

[Drmke]

Don't forget that Ippo pretty much owned Karasawa when they fought. Wasn't the fight only 2 rounds?

If Ippo was facing ordinary boxers and struggling, then I'd have a problem with it. But Gedo was a very talented boxer who tripped Ippo up with all of his tricks, and Woli is a bizarre guy who has a completely unorthodox style. I don't think it's unrealistic for Ippo to struggle in this fight.

It is when he's gain all this experience fighting Japan's greatest boxers who all use different styles. He is supposed to be getting ready for the world and he is having trouble with a boxer with only 3 fights. I understand Woli is talented and would understand if he got in some hits and it took Ippo a chapter or 2 to get his rhythm, but Ippo hasn't even hit him once....that's a bit ridiculous.

[Skrymir]

There's a difference between having a hard time and getting omgwtf-pwned. His fights with Sendo, Sawamura, Hayami and other strong fighters were hard fought wins, but this fight started out so one-sided that it just makes this all the more ridiculous when Ippo wins.

[shouryuujo]

There's a difference between having a hard time and getting omgwtf-pwned. His fights with Sendo, Sawamura, Hayami and other strong fighters were hard fought wins, but this fight started out so one-sided that it just makes this all the more ridiculous when Ippo wins.

yeah. well part of ippo is to overcome obstacles and this is one of those cases. it is only 2nd round so anything goes really. He just needs to figure out the crazy movement to beat woli

[CptSpace]

I think that this fight goes to "expect the unexpected" and one of if not even final preparation for the world. Usually Ippo had fights in which he already knew opponents fighting style and he trained to either beat it or take it and do more damage. For example against Martinez he lost after only few punches, because he wasn't at the world level, and he wasn't even prepared for something like his fighting style. Woli is a relatively a newbie in boxing which could be a main reason for his eventual defeat by Ippo. His style is something like Miyata + Hawk. Has more advance natural fighting style, and is a good counter puncher yet not at Miyata's level. And the only reason why he has only 3 fights is to lose because of lack of experience against high level opponents. Ippos infighting style is also at disadvantage against Wolis natural style. If it was Woli vs Miyata, this fight would be over in half a chapter.

[Drmke]

Not looking good for Ippo. Boy am I going to be pissed if he loses this fight. If he doesn't connect at least punch next chapter I'm going to lose my mind!!

[Katz]

I'm assuming the new chapter is out?, atleast the raw?

Edit* ....not really much to say about this chapter......same as what the last 3-4?

[sharingan_kakashi]

his desperation is peaking. Hopefully this means the tide is about to change. or he might just lose, terrible way to lose though.

[Katz]

Losing to Dante was fine in my book, cause it was a tough fight, he put on a show with Dante, just is almost just murder, I really don't wanna see Ippo lose his belt, just to train for god knows how many chapters just to re-match for his title, I rather see him move into world contention.

[jinoku]

Ippo is getting destroyed. I was really hoping for this chapter to be the turn around though I already knew if Ippo got Woli cornered it wasnt going to be enough since he already got that hint earlier. Sucks that both the Coach and Ippo are dumb founded ATM, I really can't see them coming up with anything other that use the "lucky punch".

[Drmke]

I really don't wanna see Ippo lose his belt, just to train for god knows how many chapters just to re-match for his title, I rather see him move into world contention.

He wouldn't lose his belt even if he lost this fight because its not a title match. But he would still end up training for another 100 chapters because he wil be like "I guess I'm just not ready to take on the world. Maybe in another 20 years." And thats when I'll kill Morikawa...

[Katz]

lol my mistake thought it was a title fight, but yea what you said still stands "100 chapter training arc GO"', I like Ippo put sometimes I think the mangaka takes it in the wrong direction.

[shouryuujo]

i think it is a slowly but surely ippo comeback here... this chap at least he wasnt beat up too bad and i hope he figures something out because he really surprised woli there...

[Bucks]

Bah, I still like it. The slow build up is what interested me in the first place. Do I want a kickass Ippo who dominates 90% of his opponents, yes. But I don't want it becoming too easy for him. While fighting Miyata and Sendo is fine and all, but the world would definitely be in different league then what he's been used to so far. Don't forget, Ippo is still Japanese and it's been stated I think, that Japan isn't all that hot on the world scale of things in boxing.

He owns Japan in the feather weights, but not Asia. When he gets that, he'll go on for the world title.

[shouryuujo]

is it me or this manga exaggerates boxing? The times i seen boxing matches they are mostly doing jabs and body blows - none of the cool stuff the manga shows... unless those are impossible?

[Flolex]

A sport manga that exaggerates? Must be a new development ;) But it hasn't gone much over the top compared to other sport mangas

[Sachsenhesse]

wow...

one punch in one chapter... its gigantic xD

[brebaz]

You mean a lucky, one punch for the Whole 15 page!! Super...

[sharingan_kakashi]

it looks like he found something. counter punching!!
in an ippo fight ussually there are 4 back and forth exchange (dominations). so far we are still on the first. This is going to be a long fight ark

[fizban]

A sport manga that exaggerates? Must be a new development ;) But it hasn't gone much over the top compared to other sport mangas

In the final match of the series Ippo will throw a punch that will bring the dinosaurs back to life.

Take that, Tezuka

[Katz]

Is it just me or should there be another chapter or two out?, just feels like a huge gap has arisen since our last epic "one hit in 15 pages" spectacular

[Lord.Strife]

i just took a peek at the raw of chapter 879 and i have to say this fight is the worst fight in the manga. like come one who the fkn wants to read nearly 15 chapters of ippo getting his arse kicked. fkn hell.

oh 879 is still an a beat the shit out of ippo chapter.

[brebaz]

^^You could have used spoiler tags for what you just said!! you ruined it now thank you...

[Katz]

Well its not like we all couldn't have guessed that....thats all its been in this last string of chapters....Ippo failing...

[brebaz]

Well its not like we all couldn't have guessed that....thats all its been in this last string of chapters....Ippo failing...

I still have hope... lol:facepalm I just wanna read it and wish for the best.:p

[Katz]

Welp, chapter is out on OM....I could say it was a great chapter with alot of plot movement and Ippo finally doing something other than getting his face smashed in.....but alas I would be dead ass WRONG...

[fizban]

I liked the callback to a fight that happened... 20 years ago? Dang, it is crazy to think of it that way

[Drmke]

Weird that it took Ippo so long to figure out he needs to use the strategy that he has used in, let me see....EVERY FIGHT!!!! But at least round 3 is over. I don't this fight lasts more than 4 rounds, maybe 5 if it ends early in that round.

[Artuir]

I liked the callback to a fight that happened... 20 years ago? Dang, it is crazy to think of it that way

Yeah no kidding. 20 years in real life time. That *is* incredible. It's great to read through the entire manga and note how the art style has changed, too.

[Katz]

Chap 879 popped up on OM......atleast Ippo is "starting" to get there.....I ono

[brebaz]

here's a quick summary of the chapter.

Ippo: I'm going for the exchange
Woli: how boring...
Ippo: bites gloves!!
Woli:are you gonna cry now?!
Ippo: did you just say that " Shocked face "
going for the punch!! Gets on slammed to his face!!
Woli: i hate cry babys...
Ippo: alright, you're dead now!!
Woli: Again, with the bullshit?!
Ippo:........"BAM"
Woli: I told you!!
Ippo: i'll go for the body...
Woli: How naive of you to think i'm gonna let you touch me!! " Pimp slap!!!"

Next chapter more of the same!!!

[jinoku]

Seriously how bad of a beating is Ippo going to take before he can even hit him.

[Drmke]

I think next chapter we will see Ippo at least putting up a fight. Surely even Morikawa thinks Ippo has been beat enough, anymore and there will be no way for him to win. He's starting to think more and use his head, going for the body will hopefully get even one hit in on Woli then that should cause an opening for Ippo to go for his chin.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Anyone thinks Ippo might actually lose?

And is anyone else here besides me wanting to see Itagaki fighting Woli instead of Ippo?

[Katz]

^I rather not see Ippo lose...its time for him to challenge the world...not have to climb the ranks again, and sure I'd like to see Itagaki fight Woli at some point

[Drmke]

Anyone thinks Ippo might actually lose?

And is anyone else here besides me wanting to see Itagaki fighting Woli instead of Ippo?

Ippo lose? Never. O how angry I would be.

But I've been thinking of Woli being a rival for Itagaki for awhile now. He needs a good second rival, one is not enough. Of course I was thinking this at the beginning of this fight before Woli started actually beating Ippo...-_-;

[shouryuujo]

new chap out.. you can read the past few chaps to figure out what happened :/

[Katz]

LOL ^ I hope your not srs.....thats not good news at all



....yep you were right....well atleast he looks strong ending the chapter..

[brebaz]

I wanted to say something about the Raw but Oh, well.

Let's just say, Ch881 better be good.

[shouryuujo]

at least ippo's got a lot of stamina this time... he got beat so much yet he's still "fine". So lets see.... cornering him is no good, putting him in the middle is no good, trading punches is no good... hmm maybe become an outboxer on the fly ?

[TemplateR]

@brebaz: Where you have read the Raw of the new Chapter of hajime No Ippo ? I mean Chapter 880.

[brebaz]

@brebaz: Where you have read the Raw of the new Chapter of hajime No Ippo ? I mean Chapter 880.


There you go a Rapidshare link for the Raw.

Ch880 Raw RS Link (http://rapidshare.com/files/333445047/Hajime880.zip)

[miles2go]

at least ippo's got a lot of stamina this time... he got beat so much yet he's still "fine". So lets see.... cornering him is no good, putting him in the middle is no good, trading punches is no good... hmm maybe become an outboxer on the fly ?

Let's see..., A 17 year old with three fights has mastered every boxing technique and can't be touched. Yeahhhh....., now this fight is just a bad joke. Seriously, what is Ippo gonna do learn some magical punch??? that's about the only thing left. This is one pathetic fight. I know!! the kid will be struck blind!!!!! lol:D

[brebaz]

After thinking about it for a while now, I came up with this 800+ chapters and now Ippo looks like a Rookie who just started boxing a year ago. so after this fight he'll realize how weak he is and he's gonna start by doing the basics all over again!!

Win or Lose, This fight made Ippo look like Clown so far! how is he gonna face Miyata now? if he can't win against a new born Moneky?

let's see how far this POS fight goes. If he can't beat him now then then this manga should end in shame lool.

[BlackHair]

Seriously this fight is worse than Randy vs Miyata. The fight is dragged hell long to nothing.

[drsopa]

i just saw the 880 raw..., i love this manga but this is too much...

[jinoku]

Guess Ippo is still getting whooped around in the next chapter, his only hope is to pass out and become a better boxer... but that prolly wont work either.

[Katz]

Just think if Ippo loses this fight....we get another 20 years of manga waiting for him to challenge the world again...HAHA

[jinoku]

If Ippo loses maybe the manga will change its name to Hajime no Miyata. :P

[Skrymir]

Miyata has been too minor of late to have the story changed to be about him. I vote for the change of title to be "Hajime no Takamura"

[brebaz]

It's even too late for Hajime no Takamura! it should be named Takamura No Sekai!!

[AiddonValentine]

okay, Woli is officially the most boring, lazily written, and personality-deficient character in the entire series. Though considering it took Morikawa 880 chapters to finally misstep then he's definitely batting a lot higher than other shounen writers as of late.

[shouryuujo]

yeah. spoiler alert! dont read 881 if you dont want to be dissapointed

[Drmke]

Please everybody, stop giving spoilers away without using spoiler tags. When you say we are gonna be disappointed, it basically gives the chapter away. Let us read it for ourselves. Thank you.

[tenebrae]

where are our ippo scanlations?

[Katz]

Well 881 is out on Raw Paradise

Don't read unless u you wanna be serverly disappointed at the way Woli character is written/drawn and enjoy watching Ippo continuesly fail like he has been for the last handful of chapters....

[brebaz]

I'm really glad that i'm going on vacation for a month so i don't have to read this shit weekly ( or just look at the Raws ):facepalm

An Ippo Cover and Randy.jr at the end, that only gives us about 8 pages chapter it was super long yet super boring!! well done morikawa-san that's a new record...
[hr]
Chapter 880 Is out

Ignition-One Ippo Online Viewer (http://ippo-online.confusticated.com/)

[zelllogan]

I really hate the fight. We have a talented fighter who train like mad for years who is beaten by a unprepared monkey. There's a limit to what talent without training can do.
I just hope the fight won't end with a cheap trick like 'monkey got a glass jaw'.

[Franckie]

I can't believe the ease at which Woli is allowed to dominate this fight. At first glance, the fight appears to be Mighty Glacier vs Fragile Speedster. In reality, it's more like Mighty Glacier vs Lightning Bruiser. I know Woli is super-duper talented and all, but emphasizing his lack of fighting experience (inside and outside the ring) is a sour point about the character. Even the super-duper fighting prodigy Takamura was stated to have (and shown) fighting experience with the good amount of backalley brawls he had before he entered the ring.

[shouryuujo]

I really hate the fight. We have a talented fighter who train like mad for years who is beaten by a unprepared monkey. There's a limit to what talent without training can do.
I just hope the fight won't end with a cheap trick like 'monkey got a glass jaw'.

i think it will be a psychological ending. Woli is very cocky prob like manabu when he lost his tempo to a cheapshot boxer. Not saying ippo will cheapshot him but he will probably do to Woli what date did to him. I think after a few ippo hits woli will lose his smirk and confidence... at least i really hope so.

[jinoku]

I would go as far as to say Woli's punches dont have enough weight to knock Ippo down but if Ippo doesn't stat to land anything the barrage is going to chip him any to nothing.

[BlackHair]

After seeing the raws for 881 I can say for sure that this manga dropped out of my top ten. Hell even Bleach is faster paced. I will continue to read in 5 or w/e weeks.

[AiddonValentine]

eeeyeah, Woli is now the official "Worst Character in the entire Series" due to any lack of character flaws or interesting fighting style. I will be smiling my ass off the second Ippo sends the brat to the mat to say "This is NOT a friggin' game!"

[Katz]

Woli doesn't seem to have much of a personality at all, sure he smiles and seems to enjoy fighting....but whatelse is there, atleast on alot of other fighters we've had lil backstories/stuff they were fighting for etc....Woli doesn't seem to have a worry in the world....I could be wrong in certain aspects but hey, just how I feel

[shouryuujo]

woli is just carefree - he doesnt have any "attachments" or any background to speak of because of his nature. What can we expect? Him reminiscing about the monkeys he's been living with? His smirk is certainly annoying but he probably is more entertaining himself than trying to provoke his opponents.

[tenebrae]

this fight just needs to end, I really don't care who wins anymore to be honest, i was expecting ippo to but i trust that he will gain alot from it either way so it just needs to end, enough with the ippo gets beat for 20 chapters fight....

[shouryuujo]

I think one thing we need to thank for that this manga is not a bi weekly or monthly. Probably many would pull their hair out after waiting a month just to see another beat up ippo. I think we get the point that Woli is a prodigy, ippo is getting older and he is still taking his first step...

[Katz]

Honestly if this was a monthly and this fight was going on from month to month....I'd probably just drop it off my list for awhile and come back months down the line/know when the fight had ended.....

[Pavitre]

The tables are going to turn because now they have shown what Woli is thinking about the fight for the first time
All the past dozen ch have shown what Ippo is thinking and getting beat, now they'v shown Woli's thinking process, and Ippo will definitely win this match, period

[CoolDude21]

Is really becoming annoying to read this chapters. We already get that Woli is super talented, but come on!!! how much have we to watch, Ippo receiving punches and not giving back!! This fight is taking me the pleasure of reading this great manga.
:(

[Drmke]

881 seemed mostly to just be about setting up the next chapter. Ippo is finally closing in with his "keep punches as compact as possible" strategy, and Woli is actually beginning to get a little overconfident. That is always a good sign for the hero of any manga.

Hopefully next chapter we will see Ippo actually start to fight in this match and show Woli that if he wants to win, its not gonna be as easy as he thinks. Ippo will take many more hits, but he just has to deliver a few to throw Woli off and then nail him with one big one to take him down.

[JustMax]

Lol 3 matches and four years younger... Against a multiple time champion.
Yyyyeeeaaaah. XD

[shouryuujo]

new raw out....Ippo indeed has a plan and he is getting "the hang" of woli now...

[EroThraX]

Chapter 882 is just as bad.
Even if he does have a plan

TBH even if Ippo bounces back for a KO/TKO now will the public opinion of Hajime no Ippo be the same? What if people just stop reading and don't come back because they think the mangaka might do this 8+ pages of the main character getting whaled on again.

[Katz]

Also read 882 raw......

Yea I was atleast hoping he'd land that body blow though, cause wow his face is wrecked but atleast he's smiling at the end....883 but give us something on Ippo's behalf

[shouryuujo]

My prediction for 883 - the last panel is a hit ippo's about to land after getting beat up some more.

[jinoku]

Ippo's face going to be SO swollen after this match. When Ippo finally lands a hit it'll prolly crush all of Woli's internal organs and end the match in an instant lol

[AiddonValentine]

He probably should have hit Woli AGES ago, if just for the sake of ending this. The kid is DULL.

[mlandry]

I've been reading this manga for years despite some storylines being boring and drawn out but I'm about to give up on it at this point.

A 9 page chapter where nothing happens? Plus this fight has been dragging on for so long and it's extremely uninteresting as well.

I've been waiting for Ippo vs top World Rankers for years now. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see this manga end before Ippo fights Martinez.

But don't fret, I'm sure we'll get a well deserved Aoki or Kimaru fight soon instead. Ugh.

[Pavitre]

this is the most ridiculous fight ever in the manga

I serioulsy think the author has lost all sense in how to create a fight, cause even if ippo where to win the fight now by some miracle, it would be totally lame, and Im sure everybody agrees on this

his fights were never this stupidly made even when his time as a rookie. He snot a bloody tanking machine.

The stupid author should delete all the pages til now write a new story for this fight, cause no matter what the result this fight would remain as the most idioticly ridiculous fight evr in this manga

[AiddonValentine]

welcome to the Gary-Stue situation; a device that usually has a protagonist going up against and losing to impossible odds repeatedly for no better reason than to instill artificial drama in a series. Naruto has suffered from it since the time skip, Bleach has had it ever since the end of the Grimmjow fight (as well as the most boring antagonist in history), and even One Piece is now showing signs of it.

[Drmke]

Well hey, let's look at the potential bright side of this fight. Maybe this gives Ippo experience dealing with fighters like Woli (Miyata for example). Ippo will know that to expect to do well on the world stage he is gonna have to step it up and learn some form of new technique. Every fighter in Japan, and anyone else he plans on fighting, knows every single one of his moves and knows how to counter them. He's already experienced this, but someone with world-level technique is gonna annihilate him, even worse than Woli is doing now. He needs to come up with a different strategy than "let's just hope my old style works out for me". I think he's learning that in this fight.

Even if he wins this fight he will still lose a lot of respect in the eyes of other fighters even considering Woli's tremendous fighting ability. So he will probably have to have at least one more fight before taking on the world to redeem himself, and show he can adapt to unfamiliar styles of fighting and not get beat up for 4 rounds until he slowly figures out what to do. That won't fly on the world stage (....hopefully).

Also, I think we outta cut Morikawa at least a little slack. This is probably (in my opinion) the weakest fight in the manga. But that's the weakest in 20 years! That's a really long time. Sure this fight has a lot of pointless drama, but if after 20 years, he wants to slow the pace down for a fight he think is important (which I figure he must for soem reason or another) then let him. Its annoying, but I won't get outrages unless this kinda of storytelling continues. But since this is the first one like this, that I remember anyway, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

[JustMax]

The damn monkey has only had three fights and is 4 years younger.
Basically the author is throwing "experience" out the window for something incredibly unrealistic.

[Drmke]

The damn monkey has only had three fights and is 4 years younger.
Basically the author is throwing "experience" out the window for something incredibly unrealistic.

The author painted him as a natural born fighter who, even with little boxing experience, is good at adapting while fighting. Its not entirely unbelievable, granted unlikely. Though age and number of fights don't mean everything in fights, even boxing.

[JustMax]

The author painted him as a natural born fighter who, even with little boxing experience, is good at adapting while fighting. Its not entirely unbelievable, granted unlikely. Though age and number of fights don't mean everything in fights, even boxing.

I am aware of that.
But they do have their own weight, which was discarded here. This is just really crappy storytelling here.
What Date and Martinez have going for them is experience.
Ippo's been through high-and-low but still has trouble with a rookie. This alone proves how the author does not give any weight for experience. Hell he might as well just put monkey-boy vs Martinez and put it on the same bullshit we're seeing here. "He's soooo naturally talented".
Ippo's fights literally mean nothing now. He hasn't learned anything, he hasn't gotten any better, he's just going in the eternal loop. That's what the story is now.

[Sachsenhesse]

The interesting is... against that old typ ippo had problems because of the experience of his enemy, here he have problems against an total newbie to boxing... didnt he learned anything from that old man? :/

[shouryuujo]

^Exactly

well he hasnt faced anyone with insane predictability and reactionary and "spider sense" fighters. Other fighters he faced might avoid a few punches but they always end up trading hits or he hits them back

[AiddonValentine]

the problem is that Ippo has traded blows with so-called "geniuses" time and time again but still managed to beat them. Seriously, Miyata, Sawamura, Volg, Sanada, all of them incredibly talented and he STILL beat them. Heck, Ippo himself has a talent in that obscenely strong punch of his. All in all this is the poorest fight in the series and I blame that mostly due to Morikawa being forced to churn something out to placate his editors instead of being able to think something up before hand.

[shouryuujo]

new raw out. It is a bit disappointing in that we might see ippo get beat up even more now..

[Sachsenhesse]

i would love to see an joltblow into that grinning, jumping face of woli...

[Naniwa's Tiger]

I Just Am Tired Of Ippo Struggling Through Every Opponent. When Is He Gonna Become A Bad Ass Mother Fucker? Every Fight Except The Ponchai Fight Did He Get Almost Beat. If No One Remembers The Ponchai Fight He First Did The Dempsey Roll And Beat The Living Crap Out Of The Thai Kid. Woli Is Trash Lame I Want Ippo To Smash This Kid In The Face And End His Entire Fighting Career In And Instant I Also Want Ippo To Kick Peoples Asses For No Reason Just For Looking At Him Funny.

[Katz]

Welp just looked thru the raw of 884.....And yea, I'm really REALLY tired of this fight now....and I think Ippo might actually lose here....which is completely stupid but w/e


^my rant about 884

[shouryuujo]

if you catch ippo's last sentence.... he's finally figured it out!!

[Katz]

^hey maybe its not so bad after all than, I can't read a lick of Japanese so for me its like "OH pictures...." and thats about it

[BBB Banana]

Dunno Ippo is all happy just by touching Wolly so it migth be something unimportant.

[shouryuujo]

i think ippo figured out a pattern to woli's weird movements. woli might be an instinctive player so maybe ippo would "predict" what woli would do if ippo does something but immediately changes to something else:
ex: ippo motions for upper and predicts woli to counter but ippo instead switches motion to something else....

[Sachsenhesse]

ex: ippo motions for upper and predicts woli to counter but ippo instead switches motion to something else....

HIEN! ^^

the move from sanada could become inhandy

[Naniwa's Tiger]

I Hope He Finally Lands A Punch And Ends This Fight.

[shouryuujo]

i hope whatever ippo does will end the fight. I dont want to see ippo figuring woli out, lands a few punches and suddenly shows something new and ippo gets pummeled for 10 more chapts and then finally beats woli..

[Freakzin]

is there a scan of Hajime no ippo 883? I mean, I look everyday at Onemanga, but that's the only place I know that has Hajime, mangahelpers doesn't have it anymore also.

[Katz]

^I don't believe there's an english scanlation out, alot of ppl here DL the raw's and look thru them and thats why you'll see people crying or cheering the upcoming chapter..for example the raw of 885 is out and OM has only up to 882, its up to the scanlators when we get the chapter.

[shouryuujo]

"no chapter this week".


Might as well be since last chapter was so promising with Ippo "getting it"... now he gets beat some more....

[Katz]

Like the guy above me stated in 885 Ippo gets beat up some more...and here we all thought he'd actually start mounting an offense against Woli.....welp I was dead A** wrong....gah I wanna take a break and just wait till after this fight finally ends but I cant help looking at the raws....

^rant about 885....obviously contains somewhat of spoilers

[BBB Banana]

I'm also putting Ippo on hold until this fight ends. I'm fed up of seing Ippo getting beat every chapter.

[Sachsenhesse]

oh actually there is hope woli is a little affected, but he says that it was the chair from miguel... but my ass that will be never true, so woli isnt undefeatable

[shouryuujo]

prediction for next chapter - ippo will almost land another strike at the last panel.

[Sachsenhesse]

my prediction... woli will struggle because he has jumped around a lot, normally he is used to, but we all know "in the ring its a different matter" that has already cutted some characters stamina in the manga and then miguel looks shocked, woli doenst know what to do and ippo preparing to be the slaughterer of the monkey

[TemplateR]

my prediction... woli will struggle because he has jumped around a lot, normally he is used to, but we all know "in the ring its a different matter" that has already cutted some characters stamina in the manga and then miguel looks shocked, woli doenst know what to do and ippo preparing to be the slaughterer of the monkey

He jumped a lot and he slipped by a banana and Ippos chance is coming to put this end with a final super dupper punsh xD

[Pavitre]

are you kidding me with the new chapter, a whole freakin chapter on time out and then stupid ape skills wtf?????

I dont want ipo to win now, god sake look at him and then at the monkey, let ippo lose and take this woli to fight ricardo, this is ridiculous.

makes no sense with ippo winning now, freakin outright stupid

[Drmke]

I read 883 today and even though I don't know what's going on in the couple of chapters ahead of this, I think this chapter kinda foreshadowed Ippo winning this fight in the end. I could be wrong but that's how it felt to me. Of course its annoying how long this is taking, but the author is making Woli get cockier each chapter which usually spells doom for Ippo's enemies even if it takes another 10 chapters :/

[brebaz]

Here's the best scenario to end this fight and end the manga at the same time.

Ippo get beats some more, woli planing a big hit, Ippo takes it and dies... this way there's no more chapters afterwards, Unless Morikawa decide to change the manga name to Shin no ippo ( sp? ) or Takamura no Sekai... and wish the fans would keep reading it the same way they did with HNO for the past I don't know how long!!!

Joke aside, I really want ippo to win and smash Woli's face so hard!! but how can Mori explain a win against this terminator?!!

[jinoku]

I think the coach will secretly inject ippo with roids and then ippo with the power boost will be faster than ever and kill woli but subsequently get banned from boxing ending his career.

Hehe everybody gotta joke about this one. I mean the only way ippo can win is to trick Woli into getting hit and then its gotta be something critical but as you all know the problem here is that Woli is a super saiyan! Even if Ippo tricked Woli which Ippo has no experience at doing, within the .5 secs needed to hit Woli it would still give Woli enough time to block!?

[shouryuujo]

another week and another lame ippo chapter :facepalmBasically ippo punched woli slightly once and got the crap beat out of by him the rest of the chapter... coach is about to throw the towel...

[Drmke]

Hey, at least we got a punch in this week. The part about the coach throwing in the towel is hopefully just to build tension. There is only one thing I would hate more than watching Ippo rise to his status and get pounded on by a newbie, and that's getting pounded on by a newbie then losing. Because we all know how Ippo would respond to that, "I guess I'm just not ready for the world".

[brebaz]

I think I'm gonna stop reading it for a couple of months.

[shouryuujo]

this arc is probably 2nd worst i have read - Blade of the immortal's prison arc is like 10 times worse mainly due to the magazine being bi weekly...

[BBB Banana]

If the coach trows the towel the past months (wow it's been so long already) were as worth as sh**

[jinoku]

Ippo's starting to do a lil better but how resilient can somebody be really? At some point all those punches to the face are going to add up and Ippos going to go nap nap. I just hope he wasn't planning on using his brain much after this fight cause its going to be Jello. This is the main reason people hate this fight, its ok to struggle but they really wrote ippo into a deep deep hole that isn't believable to write out of. If he does win its going to be like, "Yeah how'd that happen!?" if he loses " WTH have you been doing up till now!?"

lol

[AiddonValentine]

like I said, Gary-Stu scenario; it doesn't help that personality wise Woli has no interesting characteristics and now he's gone into the even more tiresome "serious" mode. Plus having Woli win is just so counterproductive to the entire message of the manga and Kamogawa's philosophy.

[a_nevels666]

like I said, Gary-Stu scenario; it doesn't help that personality wise Woli has no interesting characteristics and now he's gone into the even more tiresome "serious" mode. Plus having Woli win is just so counterproductive to the entire message of the manga and Kamogawa's philosophy.

Yeah, and also, in chapter 885 when Woli leaves his corner you can clearly see those 5 taps Ippo landed affected Woli's legs. In chapter 886 Ippo hits Woli another 6 times with similar taps, and that one big blocked punch shows he can still hit with power as well.

That makes it pretty obvious where that is going: in the next chapter or the one after that Wolis legs will give out and then he'll get nailed with a big punch.

Also, the "throwing in the towel" cliffhanger is too obvious, if he was going to actually do it he would have done it in this chapter. The fact that they made that the cliffhanger is exactly what lets you know he won't go through with it.

[Katz]

^Agreed the "towel throw" was way to "yea its not going not happen", Woli's weakness seems to be he has a glass body, he uses his speed to avoid but I think one good punch to the chin would drop him like a light.

[Sachsenhesse]

^Agreed the "towel throw" was way to "yea its not going not happen", Woli's weakness seems to be he has a glass body, he uses his speed to avoid but I think one good punch to the chin would drop him like a light.

well we saw that in the first down didnt we? ^^

[Drmke]

Yeah 885 really foreshadowed Ippo being the winner imo. Woli being so fragile as to even care that a chair hit his leg and coach saying he might throw in the towel. I hope the ends this round though (round 6), its been drawn out enough. BTW, what is the current raw chapter? Or are the scans caught up now?

[Katz]

Rawparadise has 886, so the scans are only one chapter behind atm, hopefully that trend keeps up.

[Josl]

Woli being so fragile as to even care that a chair hit his leg
I don't think that the chair even touched him. I think that the body blows are having an effect on him and if ippo is able to connect 6 more of them then Woli will lose his legs what is basically his death sentence

[Katz]

^I don't think it did either, he looks more to me like he stumbled abit after standing up and the stool was the closest thing he could use as an excuse of him tripping up abit.

[Drmke]

I don't think that the chair even touched him. I think that the body blows are having an effect on him and if ippo is able to connect 6 more of them then Woli will lose his legs what is basically his death sentence

Now that you mention it, I kinda see how that could be the case. I hope that's what it is, because if Ippo is hurting him with those wimpy punches, that might redeem him in the eyes of the fans and other boxers (and my eyes :tem).

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I don't think that the chair even touched him. I think that the body blows are having an effect on him and if ippo is able to connect 6 more of them then Woli will lose his legs what is basically his death sentence

I didn't think of that at first, but that's probably it. It certainly didn't look like the chair touched him, so maybe Ippos' punches are having an effect on him.

[shouryuujo]

but are those body blows really adding up? i mean when ippo first hit woli woli gave the expression of "huh" and that to me is like "that was a punch?". I guess maybe the mangaka is leading to it by not "focusing" on the small punches thus making them insignificant. It is just weird woli didnt show any expression from the punches and suddenly would but then again woli might have a "glass body" just because he hasnt really trained his body to take serious blows due to his athleticism.
[hr]
YES! ippo beats the crap out of woli!!!

[BBB Banana]

You can't put links related to weekly shonen magazine in MH or you will get banned there's some problems with licences.

It's allowed

[Sachsenhesse]

jeah as expected no towel throw and ippo give me great hopes he just activated his nen D:

[Katz]

jeah as expected no towel throw and ippo give me great hopes he just activated his nen D:


yea only took how many chapters for him to "turn up the juice".....this fight was such a waste win or loss for Ippo....GOD if he losses he'll have to move back up thru the ranks again and re-fight woli for 10 chapters+...none of us want that


ALSO I was thinking (yep I do that....sometimes) has the mangaka ever mentioned how long they want Ippo to run?, hell by this time next year it'll be in the 900's., I could never imagine at the age of 42 reading "Hajime No Ippo" chapter 2000.

OH! and since this is a "long running" manga thread, bit off topic but, what is currently the longest running manga to-date, to my knowledge there's only 2 that are 20 years, Ippo and Berserk.

[BBB Banana]

I think the longest runing manga is kochikame is in.

On topic: Hope this chapter Ippo finally turns the table.

Yeah I was rigth it has over 1600 chapters and it's been runing for over 30 years without any break

[Pavitre]

are you sure the mangaka hasn't changed for the manga in between, cause this is some silly story writing, i could'v thought few things better than that. Just make woli win for gods sake, cause its meaningless to make ippo win now.
how did ippo even make contact with woli lol, earlier he was avoiding all those punches easily and now he takes one?? STUPID

[Drmke]

are you sure the mangaka hasn't changed for the manga in between, cause this is some silly story writing, i could'v thought few things better than that. Just make woli win for gods sake, cause its meaningless to make ippo win now.
how did ippo even make contact with woli lol, earlier he was avoiding all those punches easily and now he takes one?? STUPID

Woli has been getting more and more overconfident as this fight has progressed. He is getting sloppy with his defense thinking there is no way Ippo can fight back. So even though Ippo is nearly out, his nearly unconscious fighting (which have seen be very effective in the past) caught him off guard. And we have seen in almost every single fight how well Ippo is at fighting half-beaten to death so him still having the strength he does isn't too surprising.

But Ippo shouldn't lose here. If he does, the story will never progress. He won't be able to move onto the world if he receives such a defeat. Plus, this fight will probably turn out to be important in the future. Ippo can use his experience here (hopefully) to fight many fighters like Woli on the world stage where there are sure to be plenty of them. And of course something I've kinda thought from the beginning would be Itagaki fighting Woli in the future where Itagaki could use Ippo's fight with Woli as a way to study Woli's crazy fighting style. Also could work as a sort of revenge fight for Woli beating on Ippo so badly.

[Pavitre]

Woli has been getting more and more overconfident as this fight has progressed. He is getting sloppy with his defense thinking there is no way Ippo can fight back. So even though Ippo is nearly out, his nearly unconscious fighting (which have seen be very effective in the past) caught him off guard. And we have seen in almost every single fight how well Ippo is at fighting half-beaten to death so him still having the strength he does isn't too surprising.

But Ippo shouldn't lose here. If he does, the story will never progress. He won't be able to move onto the world if he receives such a defeat. Plus, this fight will probably turn out to be important in the future. Ippo can use his experience here (hopefully) to fight many fighters like Woli on the world stage where there are sure to be plenty of them. And of course something I've kinda thought from the beginning would be Itagaki fighting Woli in the future where Itagaki could use Ippo's fight with Woli as a way to study Woli's crazy fighting style. Also could work as a sort of revenge fight for Woli beating on Ippo so badly.

idk if ippo can fight unconscious lol, it's going to be some ass pull that's going to make ippo win anyway, the mangaka will slowly start making woli get hit suddenly which is ridiculous. getting baby taps on your opponent and getting thrashed by him wont make anybody win. this is serious ass pull miracle. he should'v atleast made ippo get some decent hits on woli previoulsy in his lung area, then all this would make some sense

maybe its better if ippo loses, let him get a taste of defeat again and realize exactly how much he needs to improve before he can even think of challenging someone like ricardo,<< this guy will obliterate ippo the way he is now without any forethought whatsover.

just throw the damn towel already

[clodhopper]

I think what's been throwing Ippo, and the Coach, off is that Woli is a natural.

Miguel comments that Woli is like Takamura. Completely a natural at boxing, and that it was the factor in beating Hawk. Woli seems able of absorbing the basics of boxing and techniques therein but that will be his undoing, much as it was Hawk's undoing. Ippo right now is doing what comes natural to him: training. He's trained his body to react in a certain way in all circumstances. It's also what the Coach has burned into Ippo over the years and many bouts. So while Ippo's body punches look light, they'll probably have an accumulative effect in a few chapters. Most likely by ch. 890 we'll see a total reverse and it will be Woli that can't keep up with Ippo. Ippo can still deal out damage even after the beating he's taken but Woli won't be able to do the same. Basically it comes down to stamina which Ippo has in abundance.

[Pavitre]

those small taps should'nt mean anything, they were light as a feather, but the mangaka will use it anyway. would like to see that used again=nst any other fighter and it will have no effect, but after getting the story to this point without thinking any future development now the author has no choice but to use it

[Drmke]

Well what the mangaka is saying about is that the small taps are working because Woli has weak defenses besides dodging. Even those light taps (though when coming from Ippo probably only appear light) can slowly build up damage on Woli's side making him slower without him realizing it. It might not be the most realistic scenario but then again neither are most scenarios in manga.

[Pavitre]

Well what the mangaka is saying about is that the small taps are working because Woli has weak defenses besides dodging. Even those light taps (though when coming from Ippo probably only appear light) can slowly build up damage on Woli's side making him slower without him realizing it. It might not be the most realistic scenario but then again neither are most scenarios in manga.

this is the worst fight in the manga. The ruthless one on one with boxers like sendo and the same were more realistic & made sense even when ippo got beat badly in those matches. I'v noticed he's made these boxers also get smarter in story development in boxing, but ippo only keeps trying to get only more tough and improve his dempsey roll with little success.
Even against date he faired better than this

[Sherlock Holmes]

Well what the mangaka is saying about is that the small taps are working because Woli has weak defenses besides dodging. Even those light taps (though when coming from Ippo probably only appear light) can slowly build up damage on Woli's side making him slower without him realizing it. It might not be the most realistic scenario but then again neither are most scenarios in manga.

I think we threw realism out of the window when Woli began jumping around and flying.

[darkband]

Actually I think that it is all that jumping around that will really cost Woli this match. I mean, honestly, this isn't a jungle and its probably about time that Woli realized this. His other fights were probably easy wins for him, so I doubt he even realizes what a toll the jumping is taking on him. That is what I think is affecting him, therefore allowing Ippo to start landing real hits on him. To be honest I don't think that Ippo's win (yes I think he'll win, there's no real point to the entire manga if he loses like this) will be an asspull like many think it will be. That's just my opinion though.