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LightReaper
June 30, 2006, 06:29 AM
Reading DMS's post in the 314 prediction thread got me thinking...


And guys...
Yeah, Kakashi was drained from using that last attack, btu don't you think this is a bit too long?
I think something is up with him.. all that intense training, and using the Mangekyou might be killing him...

It would also give more reason for Kakashi to develop this training for Naruto... to go on and save Sasuke in his stead.

But don't worry, we'll see Kakashi fight again... but that fight will probably take his life...


I dunno.. it's just a feeling i have...


Lately i've been warming up to the theory that all this power Uchiha's get comes at a price. In a pure blooded Uchiha this might just be developing a huge ego and becoming disconnected from your feelings and the world. But what about Kakashi? It's been clearly shown that using the sharingan for all this time has had it's side effects. The first instance of which was when he first fought Zabuza, he had to take a serious rest afterwards from using the sharingan. Skip forward 3 years and Kakashi is forced to use Mangekyou; a highly advanced form of sharingan, twice in one day. This is all kinds of body strain being put on Kakashi, to the point where he was in a hospital recovering for quite some time.

And then I think, Kakashi is still quite young by ninja standards, he's still developing his own skills as shown by Mangekyou. But how much more can his body take? Especially when Akatsuki are just around the corner and the next confrontation with sasuke. My mind is starting to think this will be too much for our poor badass.

When Kakashi said this is training only Naruto can do, I begin to think that it might not just be the literal 'you are the only one who can stand up to the vigorousness' as an example, but he doesn't have the choice of waiting for someone else to train as he may not have long of his life left.

My prediction? Kakashi's gonna hit the bucket against Itachi, but not before unlocking Naruto's potential and trying to make Sasuke see sense. Talking about how he can finally give Obito back his birthday present, coughing up blood and then noting that it was a lousy present anyway; caused more trouble than good. He'll then tell Sasuke some very powerful words, something reminiscent of the talk he had with Sasuke when he tied him to that tree "I have nobody left now", and he'll say "I'm glad I got to die for the cause of people I can care for".

Your opinions?

ShgnLW
June 30, 2006, 06:58 AM
wow, dude... I gonna copy/paste this and put it on my future website...

Omg, fantastic theory, very dramatically, I like that stuff... however it is most likely NOT gonna happen, but I care about the theory and the relevancy, and both are correct.

Good job, however Kishimoto would never write kakashi out of the story, if you see how popular he is with the public. And
Kakashi makes Naruto as it is today.

Mmm... maybe Kakashi will die and then Naruto is gonna search for the dragonballs to revive Kakashi? :D

kadoman
June 30, 2006, 07:00 AM
Woah! As usual Lightreaper, you don't pussyfoot around with your opinion (I like that!).



My prediction? Kakashi's gonna hit the bucket against Itachi, but not before unlocking Naruto's potential and trying to make Sasuke see sense. Talking about how he can finally give Obito back his birthday present, coughing up blood and then noting that it was a lousy present anyway; caused more trouble than good. He'll then tell Sasuke some very powerful words, something reminiscent of the talk he had with Sasuke when he tied him to that tree "I have nobody left now", and he'll say "I'm glad I got to die for the cause of people I can care for".

I love this paragaph! I desperately hope it doen't come true, but I just love how you've put this. Fantastically worded, naturally.:) As far as my opinion goes, I just don't agree that this will happen. I do agree that there is a price to be paid for possessing the sharingan though (it is a cursed bloodline after all).

LightReaper
June 30, 2006, 07:51 AM
Well the scenario came so clearly in my mind as I reread Kakashi Gaiden a couple of days ago as I had shown it to a friend. I saw the Obito death scene and was reminded of Kakashi's powerful speech to Sasuke when he was about to leave Konoha, I forget the exact wording but he talked about how he knows how Sasuke feels; as everyone he's ever loved is dead. And then I thought; that will surely come back into play at some point.

Kakashi has his three students, and he has shown on various occasions that he is willing to die for them. And with all the violence that's gonna happen I honestly think Kakashi's death would seriously boost the power of the climax of the story. It almost makes me wish this wasn't a shonen so it could be more gritty.

Words are beyond Sasuke right now, he is in the worst kind of position physcologically (sp?) as he is being rewarded for travelling down the wrong path. But I believe what COULD change him is being shown the consequences of abandoning Kakashi's side. That Kakashi dies and he wasn't there to help. Just think of the showdown between Naruto and Sasuke.

*sasuke smirks*
Sasuke:Where's Kakashi-san, I can't waste my time with you.
Naruto: ...
Naruto: You bastard!
Sasuke: Kukuku, always getting hot headed.
Naruto: You really don't know do you? He's dead! And you weren't there to help!
Sasuke: Wha?
*Flashback between Kakashi and Sasuke, maybe even showing scenes not originally shown, like parts of Sasuke's speed training, show some real bonding*

This kind of scenario could seriously make Sasuke rethink his plans. How does this tie in with my theory? Well at this point how else could shake Sasuke out of his funk than being shown that he still DOES care for his ex-comrades, and that Kakashi cared for him and carried that feeling to his grave. The badass speech Naruto could give, telling Sasuke that does he really want to let down the spirit of his mentor, who was struck down by the very bloodline that brought about Sasuke's birth.

I admit that evidence is kind of scarce to back my theory, but it would make potentially an incredibly powerful climax which would mature Naruto and awaken Sasuke. Kakashi uses Sharingan far beyond his limits against Itachi to severely wound him, and dies in the process. Naruto would go wild and almost go Kyuubi, till he sees a butterfly go past his face, and the words echo in his voice about what his training was for until this point. Itachi escapes and Naruto somehow tracks down Sasuke to tell him, leading to the above scenario.

I just think it would be very fitting that Itachi would be trying to treat his wounds in the forest, when Sasuke appears and tells him he's avenging for a different reason; not out of hate but out of love and pity. Then bam a chidori to honour Kakashi's memory and Itachi is finaly killed off.

There is so much material behind Kakashi's death, and to me it would be an utter shame if it wasn't capitalised on. Kakashi is a very popular character but remember that he wouldn't die till the end of the story, and he would do so in the most badass way ever. That would be a fitting death for Kakashi IMO.

Edit: Man I should totally write a fan fiction for this, alternative ending, there's so many ideas I have.

kadoman
June 30, 2006, 09:28 AM
Please write a fanfic! Obviously you can string more than a few words together in a way that is damn easy on the eye, so I imagine you'd be pretty good at fanfics too!

I like all that you have said, though I am not so sure that Sasuke's U-Turn (we know it's coming) would be brought about by Kakashi's death (didn't he imply he wanted to test his strength on Kakashi? And given that he was prepared to kill his mates, he'd surely be out to kill Kakashi?). I think it will take either Naruto or Itachi or a cominbation of both to change his mind. But I like your theory!

ShgnLW
June 30, 2006, 09:52 AM
Currently I'm working on a fanfiction, just read the spoiler tag in my signature list...

...I could use this theory... Do not worry, It is not about Kakashi and Kakashi will not die in the story and I'll put your name in my thnx list ;) So I will not steal that idea from you ;) let me see some fanfic :D

LightReaper
June 30, 2006, 10:13 AM
I know this is unusual, but if you wish; I will help you write yours. I have some ideas but I haven't really developed a scenario worthy of a fanfic. I won't clutter this thread with such nonsense, but if your interested just PM me.

ShgnLW
June 30, 2006, 10:18 AM
Sneak preview of my ultimate project (not the project I mention in my signature)

Click here (http://marcmastenbroek.googlepages.com/kakashi_sharingan)

I hope you agree on it, LightReaper. Else I'll erase the page ;)

And thnx for offering your help, but I'm almost finished with it ;) now writing the last battle :D but if you have any ideas you can post it on MH in a seperate thread (ideas you can use for your fanfiction), but you can also PM me if you want :) always into new ideas :p

LightReaper
June 30, 2006, 10:36 AM
Thanks, i'm honored.

Welp, I may start the fanfiction when i've got some more time and some more ideas, but gotta wait for summer.

white silver
June 30, 2006, 12:12 PM
[b][font=verdana][color=green][size=1]Ooohh, LightReaper is getting popular. Yes those theories could make good fanfics.

Although this is what could've happened:

Sasuke: Still back here, don't you see, you've failed twice.

Naruto: *Silent*.... I won't stop till I bring you back.

Sasuke: You just don't get it do you?

Naruto: We want you all back!

Sasuke: Last time Kakashi was here, and he's not here again.

Naruto: That's because he won't be, ever.......

Sasuke: What do you mean?

Naruto: In his memory, I will bring you back for TEAM 7 AND FOR KAKASHI!

Sasuke: He's dead? *flashbacks* HMPH... didn't I tell you, you're nothing more than trash, I only have one goal and that is killing Itachi.

Naruto: *glares at Sasuke* Chiushoooooo!! *talk talk talk* well, you try to guess what would happen.

Maybe in different circumstances, Sasuke would perform the U-turn but to give up his body knowing the Orochimaru might control him is just very unlikely. Well, good stuff (I very much agree). We can all wait for Kishimoto's surprise!

LightReaper
June 30, 2006, 12:24 PM
Thanks kunai, and everyone. I appreciate your comments.

Askia
December 31, 2006, 12:02 PM
I think Kakashi is just to big of a character to get killed off. He has already lost everybody once, and tht is what drives him. Whenever he fights, he feels that Obito is fighting with him. I think there will be times he will almost die, but there will be someone to save him when ever that happens. Well, I dont know, I hope that Kishi doesn't kill him.

kyubisharingan
December 31, 2006, 05:02 PM
WOW very intersting theory. but i dont want Kakasi to die. he is one of those ninja that r strong and not always serious. but i "kinda" agree with ur theory....kinda

Uchiha Slayer
January 01, 2007, 12:20 PM
Kakashi is not going no where. For right now he is to much of an important character. If kakashi was to die it would probaly be when naruto becomes hokage. Until then forget about it.

walkie
January 01, 2007, 02:45 PM
kakashi will not die unless his death will change the flow the story..let me tell u why i think it like that:

naruto's main theme: loneliness
naruto: trying to acknowledge himself
gaara: isolated from public
neji: main/branch house stuff
hinata: didnt acknowledge by people who she wants
sasuke: all alone now......and u can see more of this theme during story...so kakashi will not die easily because he is almost a succes story during this "loneliness stuff"..he suffered much, lost all people he loves and more importantly he blames himself for death of his friend, he knows "true pain"..but he still stands aganst all this suffer, still thinks he has important relationships (told this while talking sasuke about revenge)..so against true pain he still lives, the only success story against worst enemy, loneliness, in story we have seen. thats why i dont think kishimoto will kill him easily

DarkManSharingan32
January 01, 2007, 04:24 PM
Well, i guess i'm glad that something i said sparked some discussion. *nod*


Now, addressing this again...
We have some more to dread to add onto the pile.

Yamato, who i once thought would be a more temporary or utility character is certainly turning into one with more staying power. And his presense is nothing more than a threat to Kakashi.

Basically, it prepares Kakashi for some expendability... if Kishi ever decided to do the "unthinkable".
---

Everything Kakashi has done/said in part two has come with the sense of finality. Like he is preparing something while he just fades away.

Anyways, i'm hoping that a potential Kakashi vs. Tobi will bring some emotion and depth to Kakashis character... and trust me guys...

Kakashi's death, if written well... does nothing but great things for the manga... ESPECIALLY as it pertains to Naruto, the character.

walkie
January 06, 2007, 07:43 AM
i dont think kakashi will be out of picture soon even if it is going to happen (which i dont believe :) )..because naruto is still genin, means he is technically still student of kakashi...

aznhotbod
January 06, 2007, 06:30 PM
sensei's death invoking greatest potential in the student is cliched and trite. besides, its kinda already done once on Shika.

btw, Kakashi used MS 3 times I think. FIrst time blew the elbow part off Deidara, the second shot was missed, the last shot was to warp the explosion. A nonuchia using any sort of sharingan is tiresome enough. TO use MS is much much more draining than ever. Even Itachi needs a day of rest after MS.
dont think Kkshi will die soon if at all.

mugen
January 07, 2007, 12:16 PM
since this about the future
is it possible for Kakashi's kid to have sharingan?
I doubt it but it could happen.....
right?

Rurouni Gio
January 07, 2007, 12:36 PM
Biologically it can happen o.o, 'cause of the proteins of his eye, there is depending on whether the Sharingan DNA is stronger or not of a normal DNA, it has between 0% (If not stronger), and 25% (If stronger), the Sharingan though would be as his, not able to be turned off... (that's biologically speaking of course).

mugen
January 07, 2007, 12:49 PM
Biologically it can happen o.o, 'cause of the proteins of his eye, there is depending on whether the Sharingan DNA is stronger or not of a normal DNA, it has between 0% (If not stronger), and 25% (If stronger), the Sharingan though would be as his, not able to be turned off... (that's biologically speaking of course).


yeah so i guees we'll just have to see
anyways Kakashi is not gonna die cuz of his sharingan
it's more of a gift than a curse :noworry

aznhotbod
January 07, 2007, 02:40 PM
biologically speaking no way. Sharingan eye may be producing special proteins thru its own DNA, Kakashi's germ lines dont have Sharingan DNA which means he cannot biologically pass it down to his offspring. Only transplants.

Rurouni Gio
January 08, 2007, 05:14 AM
biologically speaking no way. Sharingan eye may be producing special proteins thru its own DNA, Kakashi's germ lines dont have Sharingan DNA which means he cannot biologically pass it down to his offspring. Only transplants.


Biologically speaking, when your DNA is formed while inside your mum yet, every part of your body is decided individually, such a Hair color, Maximum-minimun Height, Eye color, etc... Thus, if the eye DNA Info is taking apart from the general DNA of someone's body, there is a chance Kakashi's kid would get Sharingan.

Let's take it as simple Eye color... think about this... Mother genes = 100%Black eyes color,
Father Genes =100%Green eyes color.
The Chance-table goes this way (i'm using B for black and G for Green)

B + B (50%) => Result = Kid with black Eyes
G + B (50%) => Result = Kid with black Eyes and Green eye color DNA info as dormant.

The Black color is prevalent over Green color and thus the possibilities for Green Eyes color on the baby are 0%, the Green color DNA info remains dormant because Black color is prelevant over green, so what biologically speaking would be need to know so that we can tell if Kakashi's son has a chance of getting Sharingan or not... is whether the Sharingan DNA is prevalent over a normal eye DNA.

walkie
January 08, 2007, 10:39 AM
Biologically speaking, when your DNA is formed while inside your mum yet, every part of your body is decided individually, such a Hair color, Maximum-minimun Height, Eye color, etc... Thus, if the eye DNA Info is taking apart from the general DNA of someone's body, there is a chance Kakashi's kid would get Sharingan.

Let's take it as simple Eye color... think about this... Mother genes = 100%Black eyes color,
Father Genes =100%Green eyes color.
The Chance-table goes this way (i'm using B for black and G for Green)

B + B (50%) => Result = Kid with black Eyes
G + B (50%) => Result = Kid with black Eyes and Green eye color DNA info as dormant.

The Black color is prevalent over Green color and thus the possibilities for Green Eyes color on the baby are 0%, the Green color DNA info remains dormant because Black color is prelevant over green, so what biologically speaking would be need to know so that we can tell if Kakashi's son has a chance of getting Sharingan or not... is whether the Sharingan DNA is prevalent over a normal eye DNA.


i see your point but you forget something...people's dna do not change whether they get implemantations or other stuff..kakashi dna's, which is without sharingan dna didnt change so kakashi's kid doesnt possess that possibility..it is like someone's arm cut off and became one arm man and the he gets an arm implamented, so what is the chance of his kid will get implamented arm?? :) logically it is impossible but this is manga i dont know if kishi finds a suprising way

Rurouni Gio
January 08, 2007, 11:43 AM
The kid won't get an implanted arm, but there is a 25% chance of getting most part of its DNA information when the proteins begin to be formed, however, the chances are slights... (Or that's who we are taught biology here anyways xP)

aznhotbod
January 09, 2007, 11:25 PM
The kid won't get an implanted arm, but there is a 25% chance of getting most part of its DNA information when the proteins begin to be formed, however, the chances are slights... (Or that's who we are taught biology here anyways xP)


i think you are wrong. There's 0 chance the offspring get part of the implants' DNA. It's just biologically impossible. Offspring only receives DNA of parental gametic cells, which has nothing to do with the implants, unless the implants somehow altered the DNA of the gametes which will be carried on by offspring..

Anyway, unless Sharingan altered Kakashi's gametic DNA, there's no way his offspring will get Sharingan. im pretty sure Im right about this biology...

but anyway, kakashi's future, I think he'll turn into another Jiraiya who occasionally visit Konoha to help the hokage. jmho

kyubisharingan
January 26, 2007, 10:58 PM
.......nuff sed.....i personally would be SO pissed at kishimoto for killing kakashi. i would not (barely) read/watch naruto anymore. how would u feel? or, any cool character for that matter^^XP

Merged from another thread.

mugen
January 26, 2007, 11:00 PM
i was mad when he had to be saved...
so if he were to die
i would not care anymore :noworry

deathshadow25
January 26, 2007, 11:22 PM
If he was to die I would be like damn Tobi is kickass and now Tobi is the replacement senpai for Naruto - Sakura

kiddo7
January 26, 2007, 11:37 PM
Tobi? where does he come into the picture???

I would probably feel somewhat disapointed and maybe a little sad, depends on the circumstances really. I mean if he goes out like the third I probably would not think any less of the manga. If however he gets offed like a dog. I will lose a lot of respect for the manga and its creator. But I would keep in mind that the original target audience is a much younger age group than my own and there fore i cannot expect the writer to cater to my needs and expectations.

qwan3356
January 26, 2007, 11:45 PM
I'd be pissed, Kakashi is like one of the top ninja in that village, if he goes down that whole village is going down fast

Rurouni Gio
January 27, 2007, 11:01 AM
First of all, without mattering how/why/when will he die, i would be sad, i would most likely cried (that'd be the 3th time i've cried in my whole life), i would be kinda sad for a long time, and then melancholic whenever it comes in my mind.

Secondly, if he dies on shame (as how he was going to in the last chapters) and/or too soon, apart from sadness, i would be apart from sad, pretty pissed, and out of myself, i would stop reading naruto a while after that (not right away... hope dies last after all). But, if his death is well drawn/related, couldn't be helped, he still dies in a cool way (maybe reading 'Flirting Paradise' before closing his eyes, while it is rainy, and whoever is around starts crying, as he says his last words "Heh, i was so curios about what was going to happen next", T_T.. meh.. i get sad just by imaging it, or in a bad-ass way, or taking out an incredible powerful enemy), i wouldn't be that pissed, and may continue reading Naruto ''till the end (if it is close... 'cuase Naruto without Kakashi is kinda boring).

JioFreed666
January 27, 2007, 06:46 PM
Only reaction:

"WTF MAN WTF REALLY!!

Hemostrat
January 28, 2007, 12:55 AM
I love Kakashi but I personally hope he dies. It would be a giant stepping stone for Naruto, the character and the manga to say that a major character isn't immortal. However, if/when he dies, I hope he goes out like Sandaime, not like Asuma >>

CheckMate
January 28, 2007, 01:03 AM
I will hunt the author (Hint: KM) down, and kick his ass

kyubisharingan
January 28, 2007, 09:14 AM
yea, as long as kakashi does in a honorable way fighting for wat he believes in, then i would still read/watch naruto. atleast i knw kakashi would put up a great fight....not like asuma

OP_overlord
January 28, 2007, 08:48 PM
i would cry and it wouldnt be weird
kakashi is the man he is so kool

but if he does die i wanna know what he is hiding under the mask thing

JioFreed666
January 30, 2007, 11:38 AM
Yeah that would be a good end to kakashi showing us what's under that god damn mask it's like karin's from 666 satan's eyes we have no idea if they're there but we want to see if they're are there and what they look like

grim jao
January 30, 2007, 03:56 PM
only way i could except him dying is if it was him and might guy fighting off itachi and kisame and both sacrificing themselves although i expect that itachi will be the only one to survive and im only ok with this scenario if it wa close to the end of the manga

OP_overlord
January 30, 2007, 04:00 PM
yeah and they destroyed everthing in teh area and it showwed that they are beasts and not just jokers (kakashi is doing that nowish but i still dont know if he is going all out)
and itachi wouold have to be almost dead if this was to happen

Galth
January 30, 2007, 04:02 PM
I don't think Kishimoto will kill Kakashi off, he's too much of a fangirl magnet, can't risk losing all the fans, heh.

But IF he dies, I'd like the move. Not that I dislike Kakashi, on the contrary, but it would show some guts, to have main characters die. Also, they're ninjas, it'd be pretty unrealistic if they barely survived every mission without anyone getting killed off, even someone as strong as Kakashi. I think it'd bring some nice 'darkness' to the manga, Asuma's death didn't quite do the trick, as we didn't know him well enough for it to truly affect the story. Though it did prove for an awesome developement in Shikamaru and ah, I'm dwelling offtopic, nevermind me. :D

xerohour
January 30, 2007, 10:21 PM
I would undoubtably fall off my chair, and stare in horror. Then id get over with the hopes they show some flashbacks, and some backstory of the white fang.

OP_overlord
January 30, 2007, 10:30 PM
yeah that would be the second good reason y he could die so that we caould get some info on the white fang of konoha

taniquetil
January 30, 2007, 11:21 PM
I wouldn't like Kakashi's death, but I'd be ok with it if he gave Naruto the Sharingan.

[Imagining] Naruto....this eye...I can't use it for long periods of time...but you...you may have 100 times more chakra than I do...use it...defeat Akatsuki.

[Naruto] ALL RIGHT!!! Here I come, Copy-NInja Uzumaki Naruto-TTEBAYO!!!

Raine_Joybringer
January 31, 2007, 12:37 AM
I know I'm not much of a Kakashi fan (though I did once spend an entire anime con hoping to see a Kakashi cosplayer... and not finding one), and there's even been times when I haven't liked him... but I do think I'd be very disheartened if he did die.

Though, I don't think we'd be seeing it any time soon- it's still recent since Asuma's death, so another teacher death would be a little weird... and he's a fangirl magnet, yes.

Ayah
January 31, 2007, 02:56 AM
I don't want Kakashi to die but if Kishimoto wants to kill him off, he would have to do that near the end of the manga. We just had one sensei death so anytime soon is not a good idea. I'll be sad if he dies. I just hope that if he ever dies within the storyline, it should be well-done. Otherwise, the mangaka should expect many angry fans.

If he does die, I'll definitely be stunned with shock first then saddened even if the event was foreshadowed. I don't want anyone else getting Obito's eye away from Kakashi, or I would be mad at Kishi :mad I'll probably get mad too, this time to whoever kills Kakashi or someone with the killer, if he gets similar treatment to Gaara's when Deidara sat on him... basically disrespecting the dead. Although I said that I don't want him to die, I also don't want near-deaths like Neji's or Chouji's. Those two really made you think that they are goners. Worse, a resurrection like Gaara.

3301254
January 31, 2007, 03:50 AM
like many people had said it's depand on when/how he die... but i would say that it's not going to happen anytime soon... as for what i like to see the battle between rival and of cause i'm talking about Kakashi and Guy. that would be some battle ^_^

ITACHIWIFE
January 31, 2007, 07:04 AM
i hope kakashi grows to be old man reading nice porn books and dies a happy old man old man :p :kkthumbs

Shouji
January 31, 2007, 07:50 AM
if the plot is good , no problem

venicia777
January 31, 2007, 07:53 AM
I will hunt the author (Hint: KM) down, and kick his ass


Hahahahaaa-- i love this response soo much. Stalker :p

anyways-- if anyone is going to die i was thinking of Kishimoto killing off Jiraiya. Kakashi never crossed my mind.

Hmm--- thinking about this- since i have no favorite character in the series i dont think i will be crying over it. But just like Asuma- taicho-- i will undoubtedly feel sorry since he is a great character. But it will surely be a great story event in Naruto.

One Eyed Sharingan
January 31, 2007, 09:21 AM
of course i'd wail... and
he's always been my favorite character...

yeah like someone said, if he's gonna die, most likely it's near the end of the story...

*) okay this thread make me remember something...
Back then in Shannaro forum, when Chiyoo-baa of suna resurected Gaara... someone posted like (sorta) this:

did you notice that Kakashi had his sharingan open when Chiyoo-baa resurected Gaara?? There's a possibility that he copied that resurection technique, and i'm beginning to worry him... cause if that's true, someday he might perform that technique to save one of his pupils... and then die!!

yeah that made me worry for Kakashi

ibblows
January 31, 2007, 12:42 PM
i would laugh.

its his damn fault for never carrying soldier pills with his low chakra having ass.

OP_overlord
January 31, 2007, 05:49 PM
yeah or stealing those pills that choji uses

mangadictus
January 31, 2007, 05:56 PM
whoa! if kakashi were to die? not basing on the would be plot for his death? id be sad. he's been an epitome of being "cool" so yeah, id be sad. better ask Gold Knight this question. id like to see his reaction :p

Yondy
January 31, 2007, 08:56 PM
I wouldn't really mind if he died, as long as the plot makes sense. I actually would like to see someone close to Naruto die. He hasn't lost anyone close to him, hasn't he? See? Kakashi dead adds some spice to the story!

I think Tsunade or Jiraiya will die before Kakashi. And that will be a big shock for Naru already, mwahaha!!

Oh, and if Kakashi dies it will be in hands of the great ObiTobi!!

OP_overlord
January 31, 2007, 10:19 PM
no i think that tobi is a loser from what ive seen and naruto did lose sasuke that was pretty serious

i dont want jiraiya or tsunade to die

why cant they just keep killing teh akastuki and not have any one from konoha die

i too wanna know what the Gold Knight would say to this

deathshadow25
February 20, 2007, 11:51 PM
Tobi? where does he come into the picture???

I would probably feel somewhat disapointed and maybe a little sad, depends on the circumstances really. I mean if he goes out like the third I probably would not think any less of the manga. If however he gets offed like a dog. I will lose a lot of respect for the manga and its creator. But I would keep in mind that the original target audience is a much younger age group than my own and there fore i cannot expect the writer to cater to my needs and expectations.


What I mean by that is that Tobi is the one who'll kill him aka Obito but thats just feeding into my fantasies

but seriously if Kakashi dies I think that would finalize the manga saying "This story is almost over." but I would love to see an old Kakashi advising Naruto who is the 6th Hokage

JioFreed666
February 21, 2007, 11:23 AM
i would laugh.

its his damn fault for never carrying soldier pills with his low chakra having ass.

He has more chakra then you'll ever know because just like Kenpachi's eye pahci from bleach ,obito's eye is always sucking a good part of his charka because it's always on.

DarkManSharingan32
February 21, 2007, 03:31 PM
It is a device at Kishi's disposal... and depending on it's context could be a great turning point in the manga (i.e. if Sasuke kills him).

But I'm all for Kishi dying if it improves the story... I mean, come on... Everything Kakashi has said or done in Part 2 has been forchadowing his eventual death.

venicia777
February 21, 2007, 03:50 PM
It is a device at Kishi's disposal... and depending on it's context could be a great turning point in the manga (i.e. if Sasuke kills him).


this is one event i think may help Naruto change his mind about chasing and saving sasuke. I am starting to agree with those who argue that this second half of naruto isnt as interesting irrespective of all the great jutsus and badder enemies. and the fact that Naruto has almost become a sasuke-centric piece



But I'm all for Kishi dying if it improves the story... I mean, come on... Everything Kakashi has said or done in Part 2 has been forchadowing his eventual death.


if kishi dies there will be no Kakashi and no manga :p

enlightened monkey
February 21, 2007, 04:07 PM
Kakashi dying? I'd start crying, remember that I was in a library reading the chapter, sniffle a bit and then run blubbering out of the place.

OP_overlord
February 22, 2007, 07:55 PM
i would be pissed if anyone but sasuke killed him and he would haveto use the chidori just cause i knew it was a bad idea to teach that tech to him and then naruto would give up on saveing sasuke nd go to killing him which is the only way to stop him

fxrznaruto23
July 16, 2007, 07:40 PM
i would be so pissed off that i would go 2 kishi and slap him if he does it

ArashiKazamaThe4th
July 29, 2007, 03:43 AM
I don't think Kishimoto will kill Kakashi off, he's too much of a fangirl magnet, can't risk losing all the fans, heh.

But IF he dies, I'd like the move. Not that I dislike Kakashi, on the contrary, but it would show some guts, to have main characters die. Also, they're ninjas, it'd be pretty unrealistic if they barely survived every mission without anyone getting killed off, even someone as strong as Kakashi. I think it'd bring some nice 'darkness' to the manga, Asuma's death didn't quite do the trick, as we didn't know him well enough for it to truly affect the story. Though it did prove for an awesome developement in Shikamaru and ah, I'm dwelling offtopic, nevermind me. :D

i agree with you

Koen
July 29, 2007, 04:01 AM
I wouldn't believe my eyes, but I would respect kishi of having the guts...

Btw, Imo I somehow see kakashi more as naruto than sasuke. He only uses his sharingan sometimes and always does raikiri (like naruto doing bunshins and rasengan)

juUnior
July 29, 2007, 09:39 AM
How I would react, if Kakashi was gonna die? hmm though question, but personally it would depend also on HOW he died, was killed. If it was quite lame death, not showing too much of his potential, it would be pathetic, and I would say Kishi did it again (I consider death of Asuma not so special, he didn't show his full potential in my opinion). But if it would be because of some cool fight, like Sandaime vs Oro, and Kakashi would show his more and more ninjutsu power xD I would be sad, but on the other hand I would thought, that Kishi did a great job.
So, in short, it depends on how would Kishi killed off Kakashi, but for now I don't have such thoughts in mind xD

silvermane
August 14, 2007, 08:14 PM
Naruto has to grow up and no matter what ... as long as the protective genius of kakashi is present by his side he's never in any real danger....
just to get the story going...
and so that we can remember him as the genius he was.... and is....

isint it time kakashi got pawned?

:D

Merged from another thread.

DarkManSharingan32
August 14, 2007, 08:36 PM
Should he die...
Depends, for the sake of the story, maybe... but other than that he is a great character and a steady influence for Naruto.

So, maybe it whats exactly what Naruto needs right now... his training-wheels forced off, and for him to be finally thrust into the ninja world byhimself; without Kakashi, and without Sasuke.
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Kusachu
August 14, 2007, 09:27 PM
I say he should die. He needs to. Either him or Jiraiya, but I think it would be better if it was Kakashi. He's like the "guardian" type character, and that type of character needs to die for the hero to advance in his journey. :)

macherie
August 15, 2007, 07:25 AM
LOL NEVERRRRRRRRRR !
Kakashi is my favourite character, always has been and always will be XD.
BUt i think to further the plot and to make a darker atmosphere, make it more emotional, show that important people actually die, then he will die.
That is, i i don't think he SHOULD but i think closer to the end he WILL die =[
Probably in some super dramatic scene, taking a hit to save naruto, invigorating naruto's ninja way and pooning the final boss, to unlock the secret stage to get the uber hacks and to win the girl

matrice
August 15, 2007, 11:03 AM
Kakashi can't die now because we have seen the MS only once and we still need to know more things about that. As for the point that Naruto can't deveop without being put in a real state of independance, we should remember that there is still Yamato, or Jiraya, or even Tsunade that are always guarding him like a baby, and it's only natural, because if akatsuki abducts him it would been bad for Konoha.
However I understand perfectly what you are meaning. he developed the most under Kakashi's training, but now he has to do things by himself: unlike Sasuke he is still dependant and he has zero leadership capabilities. Without anyone that tell him what to do he wouldn't know what to do, probably, because unlike Shikamaru, who has grown even thanks to Asuma's death, so I don't think that killing Kakashi would resolve the block of his capabilities.

segua
August 15, 2007, 11:19 AM
Well we there is Yamato right? LOL, j/k.

Well, if he dies protecting everyone but taking Pein head on and the fight scenes are elaborately drawn and detail, then I suppose I wouldn't object. Either Pein or Tobi or someone strong.

Jiraiya can't die. The moment he senses danger, he'll turn into a wooden tanuki.

SOCKSnTHONGS
August 16, 2007, 07:37 AM
kakashi is bound to die. i mean he is generally the head teacher for naruto and is probably the closest father figure naruto has. jiraya doesn't count as the audience didn't really have the chance to view him as a person. kakashi has to die in order to keep the storyline interesting and for naruto to maintain focus as well as seek revenge. also it will probably happen in the least expected moment e.g. during a routine mission.

hidan_
August 16, 2007, 07:40 AM
one name >kakuzu he pwnned kakashi

silvermane
August 16, 2007, 06:13 PM
not a valid statement about kakuzu though cuz kakashi was preparing to use the MS ... and considering the fact that kakuzu had already lost 2 hearts .... and that the MS was pretty insane... and kakashi could probably focus it more accurately on a non moving kakuzu than a flying deidara...
i'd say kakashi could still ahve won that one with the MS.
so ... that does nto count in my book :)

MadDog
August 17, 2007, 12:43 AM
not a valid statement about kakuzu though cuz kakashi was preparing to use the MS ... and considering the fact that kakuzu had already lost 2 hearts .... and that the MS was pretty insane... and kakashi could probably focus it more accurately on a non moving kakuzu than a flying deidara...
i'd say kakashi could still ahve won that one with the MS.
so ... that does nto count in my book :)

It counts. There's no guarantee he would've been able to use the MS (only his semi-boasting afterwards). Plus, if you recall the Gaara rescue arc, it took Kakashi a good while to prepare for the first time we see him use the jutsu...and that was while he has a decent amount of chakra (and isn't about to have his heart ripped out).

Also, Kakashi has said that Naruto is on "equal footing, probably even better."

If that's the case, how does Kakashi dying remove a protective genius or get the story going?

Leos~
August 17, 2007, 01:24 AM
concerning kakuzu, kakashi said he was prepairing the MS, and kakuzu gave em plenty of time to do it. Furthermore if you remember back to deidara's kamikaze clone near the end of the rescue gaara arc, kakashi pulled that MS from his ass pretty quick ;)

Back on topic though, regardless of whether or not kakashi's death would further the story, it certainly seems that lately he's been getting ready to get booted, with Yamato taking his place and him starting to lead other teams. And I don't see Yamato leaving anytime soon, not while the kyuubi's still a threat, so he's pretty safe for now. I wonder, what would Naruto do if he saw Sasuke kill Kakashi?:o food for thought.

MadDog
August 17, 2007, 02:00 AM
concerning kakuzu, kakashi said he was prepairing the MS, and kakuzu gave em plenty of time to do it. Furthermore if you remember back to deidara's kamikaze clone near the end of the rescue gaara arc, kakashi pulled that MS from his ass pretty quick ;) Fits in nicely afterwards, but that's not really how the battle went. Also, after the initial preperation, sure, Kakashi was able to use the MS a few times. That is why my point was about the preperation time. It takes him a signififant amount of time, and Kakashi even says to Naruto, "since I don't have as much chakra as you, it takes time." Naruto becoming impatient in the Deidara chase sequence is not a surprise, but Kakashi being able to bust out the MS with little lead time and low on chakra, while on the ropes with Kakuzu, would be a tall order, in my opinion.



Back on topic though, regardless of whether or not kakashi's death would further the story, it certainly seems that lately he's been getting ready to get booted, with Yamato taking his place and him starting to lead other teams. And I don't see Yamato leaving anytime soon, not while the kyuubi's still a threat, so he's pretty safe for now. I wonder, what would Naruto do if he saw Sasuke kill Kakashi?:o food for thought.

Like you said, Yamato is leading Naruto's team to conveniently keep the Kyuubi in check, not because Kakashi is on Kishimoto's hit list. But, Sasuke killing Kakashi in front of Naruto...that'd be interesting.

_ATMA
August 17, 2007, 06:32 AM
if kakashi dies its going to be near the end of the manga where naruto is in huge danger and cant do anything about it and kakashi will fling his body into the path. he will die naruto will get pissed off and win, food for thought? lol

segua
August 17, 2007, 06:37 AM
Kakashi could always be brought back from the dead with the dragon balls. Oh my mistake there's no dragon balls.

Seriously, it wouldn't be the end of the manga. A lot of people will get mad but it could prove beneficial to the manga if pulled off correctly.

mrcongojack
August 17, 2007, 09:14 AM
Back on topic though, regardless of whether or not kakashi's death would further the story, it certainly seems that lately he's been getting ready to get booted, with Yamato taking his place and him starting to lead other teams. And I don't see Yamato leaving anytime soon, not while the kyuubi's still a threat, so he's pretty safe for now. I wonder, what would Naruto do if he saw Sasuke kill Kakashi?:o food for thought.

Kill of Kakashi and replace him with Yamato? Sounds kind of like Star Wars, when Harrison Ford might not return for the third movie so Lucas introduced Lando to replace him.

Now getting on topic, I personally don't think Kakashi will die because that would be way too much like Harry Potter ;). If he does it will be in the middle of rescuing someone, like taking a kunai for Sakura or Naruto.

king_crimson-
August 17, 2007, 11:06 AM
either kakashi or jiraya will die by the hands of pein, i'm absolutely sure of this...i really like kakashi(like practically every single naruto fan :D) but i do think that the story needs an important death for naruto...and kakashi is the most suited for the role...

RedsandSasori
August 17, 2007, 11:42 AM
The death of Kakashi isn't necessary to darken the series or to show the fragility of life. This job has been taken by Asuma. This was Shikamaru's way of getting mature and become a true ninja and IS NOT Naruto's.

What Naruto needs, is Sasuke returning. He has devoted his life in creating bonds, being a ninja is just a way to accomplish this. Naruto shares his greates bond with Sasuke, having it cut as cold-hearted as Sasuke cut it, Naruto has to be desolated. His need to reforge this bond is what blocks his ambition as a great ninja. All great ninjas in the Naruto universe share one thing: they accepted their life the way it is and devoted themselves into being a ninja and not into something else (forging bonds, troublesomeness of things, love, etc.).

Characters with other desires make mistakes in Naruto. Sasuke just recently got nearly killed because of his desire to kill his brother ("Katsu!").

uhm ... am i getting offtopic, a little bit.

Well, that said, Kakashi's death is neither necessary for Naruto to develop, nor to show the "dark side" of being a ninja. To show the cruelty of Akatsuki maybe, by doing some weird and nasty things with his sharingan.

king_crimson-
August 17, 2007, 12:49 PM
it's not needed for naruto character development, but for naruto's strength. From now on, he's going to face monsters of the caliber of pein or even madara, he need to learn how to use and control more and more of kyubi's power(since it seems that he's not the kind of ninja who improve by learning new jutsus, but rather by learning to use and control more and more of the ridiculous power he has inside of him...it's the way he's been since the beginning...), and an important death would be perfect for this, and it would even make naruto and sasuke closer, and would also prove pein's strength(i think his strength must be proved with facts, not just words)

Leos~
August 18, 2007, 11:57 PM
I happen to agree that Kakashi's death is not needed to darken the story, and personally don't see him dying anytime in the near future. But you can't deny how he has started to get pushed into the backseat, and my first post was to merely give an example on that. If anything, as of now, this is one subject that could be taken either way and it would still be good.

Killuah
August 19, 2007, 07:46 AM
I don't think, and I really hope I'm right, Kakashi will die he's too young. Although I like Jiraiya it's okay if he get's pawned by Pein

silvermane
August 20, 2007, 02:05 PM
kakashi is on the hitlist unfortunately.... cuz there was no need for another team leader when we already knew that kakashi was the strongest jounin in konoha at the time...
he had the sharingan but he cannot do what sasuke does with it in order to supress the kyuubi...
and since series 2 started all he's done is talk except for the fight with deidara....
a couple of his old skills with kakuzu and that was it... not to mention almost getting pawned right there as well....

another thing is there are suppsoed to be 3 sharingan users ... maybe that was kishi dropping a hint.... cuz right now there are 4... tobi included.

furthermore naruto needs to be let go of.... how long are they going to keep protecting him with the strongest character around?
he has to go for the story to proceed.....
maybe he'll come back in spirit form like yoda in star wars :P

i'm a huge kakashi fan... but seems like his time is coming ....
and most of the posts are not really convincing me that he's not going to bite the dust soon.
:)
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kakashi is a lot of peoples favorite character but since now it seems jiraiya is the main target rather than kakashi we can wait and find out who is goign to be the one written off by kishi i guess....

i'd prefer jiraiya going down to kakashi... somehow kakashi is more likeable and more likely to learn and become more powerful....

MadDog
August 20, 2007, 08:34 PM
it's not needed for naruto character development, but for naruto's strength. From now on, he's going to face monsters of the caliber of pein or even madara, he need to learn how to use and control more and more of kyubi's power(since it seems that he's not the kind of ninja who improve by learning new jutsus, but rather by learning to use and control more and more of the ridiculous power he has inside of him...it's the way he's been since the beginning...), and an important death would be perfect for this, and it would even make naruto and sasuke closer, and would also prove pein's strength(i think his strength must be proved with facts, not just words)

A death on the magnitude of Kakashi would not teach Naruto strength or control. Most likely, it would result in kyuubi relapse with more tails appearing than ever before as Naruto freaks out and goes on a rampage. When Naruto does finally loose someone close to him (ie - death) it will not be good for anyone involved (including Naruto). Basically, it would be a set back for Naruto. He still has much to learn, and since he is going to be fighting stronger opponents, he needs all the guidance and help he can get at this point.

Kakashi is no longer protecting Naruto and does not need to die for Naruto to "grow." I haven't seen anything so far that describes a positive benefit that Kakashi's death would do for Naruto (both the character and the story). Nice try, but there is no "writing on the wall", or even a remote hint of his impending death.

kuroi-san
August 25, 2007, 11:17 PM
something i can kind of see coming from kakashi's death is naruto realizing that he has to take responsibility? i'm just throwing things out here really. but it would be cool if i decided to actually take a more active part in the maintenance and defence of konoha. that would lend some stuff to him wanting to be hokage. it would be pretty neat imo.

if kakashi does die i picture it like, he would be saving naruto from pein. eg, pein (after killing jiraiya) appears to take naruto. kakashi realizes danger, tells naruto to run, could put a really intense scene here.

it feels like alot of stuff has to happen soon, but not like, stuff that will spell the end of the series. kakashi's death would be something to contribute to a like, shaking-up of the naruto universe, and how everyone is behaving. could put a big spin on things.

that being said, i think the idea of kakashi as hokage is cool. but i'm not sure he's right for the job. he seems too lazy/carefree. iono.

silvermane
August 26, 2007, 05:45 AM
kakashi dying of a kunai attack would just be too anti climactic...
the guys' basically survived an MS attack after facing it head on... him dying of a kunai attack would just be too funny :P

like the guy who survived the fall off the niagra falls dying by slipping on a banana peel....

no offence meant...

Alterno
August 26, 2007, 07:34 AM
He needs to die. But killing Kakashi in this arc would be a crime, but not killing him before naruto overcome all his ability would be even worse. I don't want to see kakashi becoming into a second Roshi, who everybody pass and is reduced to a comedy role.

Kurodenkai
August 27, 2007, 12:12 AM
i love Kakashi. He is extremely cool, and one of the best Naruto characters'. He should not die so young. If anything, he could be the sixth Hokage. But if he does die, and i know this will never happen, but they should transplant his copycat eye into naruto.

silvermane
August 28, 2007, 11:04 AM
one of the things is we already have tenzou/yamato who has the shodaime's power leading naruto now... and kakashi is seemingly weakening.... like it was said before i dont want to see kakashi being reduced to a comic like master roshi in dbz.... that would just be sad...
i'd rather see him being killed off to make naruto stronger or even to show sasuke that someone still cares for him....

bean
August 29, 2007, 01:34 PM
I don't see why kakashi needs to die to improve the story. Killing kakashi seems like it would be killing a character for the sake of killing a character...there's no point to it. And, considering that kishi made a point of marking kakashi as a potential hokage would be enough to show that he wouldn't be killed anytime soon. I'm kind of torn though, because by kishi doing that, he's setting kakashi up for one of two things. 1, he's going to make kakashi a bit more powerful or better at fighting...have him be a big part in a fight soon to come, or 2, he's pumping kakashi up so that when someone defeats and/or kills him, they'll be something to be feared. Kinda like what he did for orochimaru... But I can't see that happening.

Windmillblade
August 29, 2007, 02:06 PM
I dont think kakashi will be in a major battle anytime soon.But lets not forget..He was fighting kakuzu and hidan on equall level byhimeself while protecting ino,shika,cho, which would make things even harder.Kakuzu and hidan's teamwork mind u was off the charts seeing as how strong they were. But really who ealse can fight two akatsuki members at onece and protect other people.He really did do a good job there.He went from pulling out chidori at the sight of orochimaru to fighting itachi and noticing his movements to fighting to akatsuki at the same time.LIVE KAKASHI FOR GODS SAKE LIVVEEEEEEE.

bean
August 29, 2007, 02:16 PM
I dont think kakashi will be in a major battle anytime soon.But lets not forget..He was fighting kakuzu and hidan on equall level byhimeself while protecting ino,shika,cho, which would make things even harder.Kakuzu and hidan's teamwork mind u was off the charts seeing as how strong they were. But really who ealse can fight two akatsuki members at onece and protect other people.He really did do a good job there.He went from pulling out chidori at the sight of orochimaru to fighting itachi and noticing his movements to fighting to akatsuki at the same time.LIVE KAKASHI FOR GODS SAKE LIVVEEEEEEE.

while I kinda agree with you, he wasn't fighting alone. He had shika doing some work...

Decorus
August 29, 2007, 02:42 PM
Yamato is with Naruto to prevent Naruto from going Kyuubi Smash!!!. Thats his whole purpose of being with Naruto. Its already been stated that Kyuubi will eventually overcome his supression technique its just a matter of time.

Windmillblade
August 29, 2007, 02:49 PM
Kakashi may have better ms techniques than itachi.he doesn't have to look u in the eys to use it just the area around u.He has a jutsu that can send anything into another dimention which means regardless of who it is or how powerful the enemy may be or if its an ultimate defense you'll pretty much be sent into the unknown .

fxrznaruto23
August 29, 2007, 06:57 PM
SHOULD HE DIE........




NO Y R U EVEN PUTTING THIS UP NO HE SHOULDINT

Uchiha Slayer
August 29, 2007, 09:24 PM
It'll be a long time to we see Kakashi die...After Tsunade and Jiyiria talking about Kakashi having strong potential to become hokage, theres no way Kakashi could die.

Sentou Ryoku
August 31, 2007, 12:51 PM
Yes, he's hogged the action long enough in the series.

ShadowStrike
September 01, 2007, 12:34 PM
Yamato might die, but not Kakashi. He has to inherit love love paradise authoring rights from Jairaiya, if the latter dies. Then Naruto and Sasuke can impress......

silvermane
September 01, 2007, 08:26 PM
I thnk its more likely that kakashi dies.. because till now there has been no talk of kakashi being hokage level material....
this in additon to them hinting that if something happens to tsunade kakashi is the replacement seems to point to at least one of the 3 going for a bad ending...

jiraiya is a definite possibility, so is kakashi... being on a mission to fight itachi / kisame/ pien/ zetsu/ BH ...
we dont know
but one will fall... and most likely it will be kakashi since tsunade is out of danger... and jiraiya seems to know how to take care of himself.... i know kakashi is also strong
but the best surprise would be if kakashi fell.

Uchiha Slayer
September 01, 2007, 08:33 PM
I thnk its more likely that kakashi dies.. because till now there has been no talk of kakashi being hokage level material....
this in additon to them hinting that if something happens to tsunade kakashi is the replacement seems to point to at least one of the 3 going for a bad ending...

jiraiya is a definite possibility, so is kakashi... being on a mission to fight itachi / kisame/ pien/ zetsu/ BH ...
we dont know
but one will fall... and most likely it will be kakashi since tsunade is out of danger... and jiraiya seems to know how to take care of himself.... i know kakashi is also strong
but the best surprise would be if kakashi fell.


No way dude...Kakashi is like one of the most popular characters in Naruto...He had a whole arc deticated to him...Its just no way he could die, there would'nt be no more extremely cool shinobi in the manga(except Pein). Jiyaria is the next to go if anything. We all know the manga will end with Naruto making Hokage and you just have to figure that Kakashi is going to be around to see that. So Kakashi will not be dieing no time soon.

dandy65
September 02, 2007, 12:27 AM
a) Kakashi definately will die, but not soon. There's still the part on Kakashi Gaiden which he has not talked about to anyone...I think something in the future will happen that concerns Kakashi Gaiden, hence leading to his ultimate D00000M!! O.O

b) Kakashi won't die, he will , like ShadowStrike said, inherit Love Love Paradise and become like Jiraiya. Perv. Then he might become the next Hokage after Tsunade.

nat
May 19, 2008, 05:55 PM
nooo, he can't die. He has to become a pimp Hokage first.
He is the last student of the fourth. Sarutobi is dead, Jiraiya is dead, the fourth is dead...at least Kakashi should stick around.

Raizen
May 19, 2008, 07:16 PM
Kakashi is definitely too cool to die.
They already took out J-man they can't take out kakashi too

Baron Hugenstein
May 20, 2008, 11:44 AM
If Kakashi has to die, that will be after konoha is destroyed and most people are dead
He is just too awesome/pwnsome (maybe even sadistic at some times) to die any time soon.
Maybe he will die after creating the icha icha clan; formed by icha icha top supporter and maintained by icha icha lovers and fans worldwide:darn.

i wonder if they will have trouble with ramen clan:blink:darn

Stop
May 23, 2008, 10:32 PM
Reading DMS's post in the 314 prediction thread got me thinking...



Lately i've been warming up to the theory that all this power Uchiha's get comes at a price. In a pure blooded Uchiha this might just be developing a huge ego and becoming disconnected from your feelings and the world. But what about Kakashi? It's been clearly shown that using the sharingan for all this time has had it's side effects. The first instance of which was when he first fought Zabuza, he had to take a serious rest afterwards from using the sharingan. Skip forward 3 years and Kakashi is forced to use Mangekyou; a highly advanced form of sharingan, twice in one day. This is all kinds of body strain being put on Kakashi, to the point where he was in a hospital recovering for quite some time.

And then I think, Kakashi is still quite young by ninja standards, he's still developing his own skills as shown by Mangekyou. But how much more can his body take? Especially when Akatsuki are just around the corner and the next confrontation with sasuke. My mind is starting to think this will be too much for our poor badass.

When Kakashi said this is training only Naruto can do, I begin to think that it might not just be the literal 'you are the only one who can stand up to the vigorousness' as an example, but he doesn't have the choice of waiting for someone else to train as he may not have long of his life left.



Your opinions?

He had to rest and stuff because he used to much chakra for the techs he used and the thing he I think he meant by naruto is the only one who can use the training method just means that who else can summon 2k plus shadow clones if anyone else could do it im sure they would of told them about this. kakashi had said narutos chakra is about 4 x his own and if naruto got that tired from that training kakashi would be out for a week or any other person who tried to do this.

KnuckleheadedNinja
May 23, 2008, 11:36 PM
i don't really see kakashi dying. Not only his he the coolest character in naruto now that Jiraiya is died(God bless the died), he is also the most important character to naruto(the ninja) right now. If he dies there will be no one to guide naruto through the harsh journey that naruto is about to face.

Askia32
May 24, 2008, 12:01 AM
Yea, I don't think Kakashi will die, I think he might be seriously injured though.

(I don't think Jiraiya is dead, but not getting into that on this thread, going to make one in the next couple of days because I have a little evidence to back it up).

wildG
June 03, 2008, 10:56 AM
kishimotyo's interview

5. Describe the color of Kakashi story which you just mentioned about.
Kishi : Dark Blue


Meaning of colors:

Blue is the coolest color - the color of the sky, ocean, sleep, twilight. The ancient Egyptians used lapis lazuli to represent heaven. Blue symbolizes the Virgin Mary. A pure blue is the color of inspiration, sincerity and spirituality. Blue is often the chosen color by conservative people. Blue is the calming color. That makes it a wonderful color to use in the home, especially for babies. Blue is so soothing that is a good choice for pajamas. Dark blue is the color of truth and moderation. A blue iris means your friendship is very important to me. Wednesday's color is blue. Blue gemstones to wear to feel calm are blue sapphire and blue topaz. Lapis lazuli and azurite are said to heighten psychic power.


that means that kakashi wont die yet :-) but he will find a truth like madara having obito's body ( just speculation, i am not obito - tobi theory fan but it wont hurt me either)


Merged threads.

Mernado
June 03, 2008, 11:12 AM
If it is about Obito, I think its going to be about Zetsu... His other half is crushed right? I think somebody took over the other half and that made Obito/Zetsu alive again.. Plus Zetsu looks a bit lke Obito

Obito being Madara is too predictable.. Any tard can see some resemblance.. I don't think Kishi is that predictable.. It might be a trick for the "obito=madara"fans

kkck
June 03, 2008, 11:09 PM
I honestly believe the one to kill kakashi will be sasuke specialy now that sasuke went pms and suddenly wanted to destroy konoha. Also kakashi's death will be the perfect kick in the ass naruto needs to understand he is not going to be able to save sasuke and instead he is gonna have to kill him (sasuke). Also kakashi's death will set out sasuke even more in oro's path.

lazyboyrod
June 03, 2008, 11:13 PM
I think Jiraiya's death would be enough to kick Naruto in the ass and make him realize he cant act like a kid anymore, but I dont see why Kakashi would have to die, Tsunade yes but not Kakashi.

jebebs
June 04, 2008, 07:46 AM
kakashi is my fave character so he shouldnt die :P
+ his too cool and theres no reason for it :)

PitchBlack857
June 04, 2008, 08:25 AM
I can't see Kakashi dying, atleast not till the very end. He won't die this year, Kishi would be a idiot if he murked 3 of the most popular characters this close together.

lazyboyrod
June 05, 2008, 10:24 PM
kakashi is my fave character so he shouldnt die :P
+ his too cool and theres no reason for it :)

I sure Kishimoto doesnt care who your favorite character is, but I do feel like he is not going to die either.

Jammin
June 05, 2008, 11:21 PM
I would put Kakashi right on top of my "characters in danger of getting killed off" list. The main reason for this is the introduction of Yamato. In my eyes Yamato is like the grim reaper standing behind Kakashi. Introducing a character who can serve as a replacement team leader for Naruto's team is not a good sign. Just like the introduction of Sai a character made to replace Sasuke foreshadowed Sasuke being replaced.

Recent developments have put Kakashi in even more danger, if Kishimoto decides he needs to have Sasuke show off how committed he is to the destruction of Konoha what better way than to kill someone close to him yet loyal to Konoha. Normally this would put Sakura in danger but the story doesn't have someone available and prepared to replace her. Kakashi does.

kkck
June 06, 2008, 12:04 AM
Itachi, jiraiya, most akatsuki, oro, kishi is just a few characters away from a fresh start for the story. Kakashi should be careful and avoid kishi's deadly pen.

PitchBlack857
June 06, 2008, 01:38 PM
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/uranerd/Rokkudaime_by_SasoriSama.jpg?t=1212777369

I don't think Kakashi sensei is dying till this happens first.

Raizen
June 06, 2008, 01:41 PM
^^^HAHAHA
i really hope kakashi doesn't die. They already killed off my awesome pervy sage, they can't take konoha's white fang v.2 also.

PitchBlack857
June 06, 2008, 01:46 PM
I feel you on that, they took out Pervy Sage they can't take my boy Kakashi what father figure's are gonna be left for Naruto. Iruka's weak as tap water and Yamato is so boring. If they were to kill him off, they better bring one of Minato's teammates in to fill the void.

Raizen
June 06, 2008, 01:54 PM
I was always thinking that minato split the chakra of the 9-tails in half right? Half in naruto and half in the shinigami. What if after the 4th died, a close friend of him stole his body and put it on ice. No one knows about this but the 3rd. Then they wait for when naruto learns to control his demon or when naruto releases huge amounts of chakra that it awakens the sealed other half of the kyuubi that gives minato a way to release his spirit from within the shinigami back to his body. I mean come to think of it, it is weird that he he split the 9-tails. Maybe by splitting it he gave himself the ability to fight another day and completely shut the 9-tails off from the possession of the uchiha

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 06, 2008, 02:28 PM
kishi will be an a-hole if he dare kill kakashi off. The amount of people that will be piss will be unbelievable(me been the #1).

Starzen
June 06, 2008, 02:42 PM
if kishi does that than he better get rid of sakura as well. kakashi has never been a father figure to naruto.

PitchBlack857
June 06, 2008, 02:47 PM
if kishi does that than he better get rid of sakura as well. kakashi has never been a father figure to naruto.

He's never been a father figure?

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10158/huh.jpg

kkck
June 06, 2008, 10:59 PM
A lot of people liked deidara and kishi gave him the most miserable and pathetic and coward death so far in the story.
A lot of people liked j-man and kishi killed him too.
A lot of people liked itachi and now kishi killed him and people like itachi even more.
People liking characters has never stop kishi from using his death-drawing no jutsu (seems like the oposite lol).
Kakashi is one of my favorite characters in the manga but for some reason I think sasuke is going to kill him.

Starzen
June 07, 2008, 06:54 AM
If he fights sasuke than sasuke will get the chance to kill all his teachers within a short period of time. I wonder how will kishi kill off kakashi as I don't see kakashi fighting anyone one on one with his lack of chakra.

kkck
June 07, 2008, 12:00 PM
If he fights sasuke than sasuke will get the chance to kill all his teachers within a short period of time. I wonder how will kishi kill off kakashi as I don't see kakashi fighting anyone one on one with his lack of chakra.

If sasuke kills kakashi it will be with either a chidori through the heart or his MS. Either way there will be some irony to his death.

Starzen
June 07, 2008, 12:12 PM
chidori will be too much as he taught him the jutsu to protect his loved ones and not to kill them with it. for the ms it will be tsukiyoumi for all times sake. does kakashi have a more powerful lightning jutsu than chidori?

badluckartist
June 07, 2008, 03:29 PM
I'd love to see Kakashi's mysterious, special, "white chakra" come into play when he inevitably fights Sasuke. Sasuke needs to be brought down a peg soon. Or an arm. Or an eye.

And Kakashi is just the man to do it.

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 07, 2008, 04:53 PM
can any one tell me why kakashi didn't even trry to advance the chidori himself?

Forever_Melody
June 07, 2008, 05:33 PM
can any one tell me why kakashi didn't even trry to advance the chidori himself?

Well unlike Sasuke, Kakashi didn't have the last 3 years free to train. Being a Jounin, he gets assigned the trickiest and probably longest missions. This leaves him less time to train(though he didn't have team 7 during the timeskip mind you).

And who said he hasn't tried? Maybe he has tried to do other things with it, but wasn't able to come to fruition yet. As stated above, he didn't have as much free time as Sasuke to train so maybe he didn't get that far.

Or better yet, why would he? I mean, Chidori does what it's supposed to do right? Sasuke changed and developed it because he saw other opportunities. Just as Jiraiya didn't do much to Minato's Rasengan(other than make it bigger), so Kakashi maybe didn't see the immediate need to further the Raikiri into more.

Starzen
June 07, 2008, 07:35 PM
I think for kakashi he might have but due to his major lack of chakra he decided to focus on his sharingan instead.

Askia32
June 08, 2008, 12:24 AM
I think for kakashi he might have but due to his major lack of chakra he decided to focus on his sharingan instead.

Kakashi does not lack chakra, he lacks stamina. But every time we see him fight, the more he improves in that area.

DarkManSharingan32
June 08, 2008, 02:34 AM
Madara kills Kakashi.
Maybe the impetus for Sasuke finally leaving Madara's side?
---

I wonder how Naruto will take it.
[hr]

Kakashi does not lack chakra, he lacks stamina. But every time we see him fight, the more he improves in that area.


You convert chakra from stamina...
So a lack of one, is a lack of the other.

Here's Sakura with a decent explanation:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/17/Naruto2-10-16/

Body/Spirit = Stamina
(Hmm... Notice the Yin/Yang?)

Starzen
June 08, 2008, 06:43 AM
I bet that naruto not only cant he remember that explanation, he still does not understand about chakra.

nat
June 09, 2008, 12:31 PM
I bet that naruto not only cant he remember that explanation, he still does not understand about chakra.


that's taking it too much, the kid is slow but not that slow.

He learned many complicated things. Kakashi's way of teaching was a bit special you see, it was either kill'em or hurt 'em bad :p and it affected Naruto (that and all the Sasuke favoritism thing).


That's why as Hokage, Kakashi would be very interesting, and for that to happen he needs to live....

lazyboyrod
June 09, 2008, 06:52 PM
If he does die, I hope someone powerful takes him out

transition1
June 14, 2008, 01:53 AM
If he does die, I hope someone powerful takes him out



I really hope he doesnt die =/ hez one of my favorite character, but kishi something will happen to him this year.. i wonder what is it..

lazyboyrod
June 14, 2008, 02:45 PM
I really hope he doesnt die =/ hez one of my favorite character, but kishi something will happen to him this year.. i wonder what is it..

HOKAGE, hopefully.

Askia32
June 15, 2008, 01:42 AM
Madara kills Kakashi.
Maybe the impetus for Sasuke finally leaving Madara's side?
---

I wonder how Naruto will take it.
<hr noshade size="1">



You convert chakra from stamina...
So a lack of one, is a lack of the other.

Here's Sakura with a decent explanation:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/17/Naruto2-10-16/

Body/Spirit = Stamina
(Hmm... Notice the Yin/Yang?)

My apologies.

Kakashi doesn't lack chakra, he lacks endurance. But everytime we see him fight, he improves in that area.

lazyboyrod
June 15, 2008, 01:38 PM
My apologies.

Kakashi doesn't lack chakra, he lacks endurance. But everytime we see him fight, he improves in that area.

The fight agaisnst Deidara was pathetic, but the one against Kakuzu was like the longest we've seen Kakashi fight.

JutsuMasterr
June 15, 2008, 01:45 PM
kakashi will battle madara battle between the sharingans

Starzen
June 15, 2008, 02:17 PM
he wont be a match for madara and his sharingan.

lazyboyrod
June 15, 2008, 02:20 PM
If Kakashi is destined to fight Madara, then he is destined to die in that fight!

neomaster121
June 15, 2008, 03:14 PM
just an idea but does anyone not think yamotos been brought in as a replacement for kakashi not when he dies but when he becomes hokage

Askia32
June 16, 2008, 12:41 AM
The fight agaisnst Deidara was pathetic, but the one against Kakuzu was like the longest we've seen Kakashi fight.

Hmm, you consider Kakashi using ms in an actual dangerous battle for the first time pathetic?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/275/19/
Than he used is again to save everyone's life, and thats pathetic?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/278/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/278/07/

After Itachi used his MS two times, he had to run, and for the only time ever shown in the manga(except for his last fight in which one of the biggest heroes in the manga gave his life to protect his ungrateful brother, and his village), he deactivated his sharingan.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/07/

Starzen
June 16, 2008, 04:26 AM
actually it was three time, tsukiyomi twice and ameterasu once, and before that he used a couple of kagebunshins.

lazyboyrod
June 17, 2008, 12:04 AM
Hmm, you consider Kakashi using ms in an actual dangerous battle for the first time pathetic?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/275/19/
Than he used is again to save everyone's life, and thats pathetic?
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/278/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/278/07/

After Itachi used his MS two times, he had to run, and for the only time ever shown in the manga(except for his last fight in which one of the biggest heroes in the manga gave his life to protect his ungrateful brother, and his village), he deactivated his sharingan.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/07/

I wasnt saying his jutsu was pathetic(it was awsome O0), but if you read the post of the person I was quoting you would have seen that we were talking in terms of stamina, and yes using his MS then crapping out and passing out for a week in my opinion is pathetic

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 17, 2008, 12:08 AM
just an idea but does anyone not think yamotos been brought in as a replacement for kakashi not when he dies but when he becomes hokage

that might be the one of the reason beside him been brought in to subdue the kyuubi during naruto's training.

Askia32
June 17, 2008, 12:45 AM
I wasnt saying his jutsu was pathetic(it was awsome O0), but if you read the post of the person I was quoting you would have seen that we were talking in terms of stamina, and yes using his MS then crapping out and passing out for a week in my opinion is pathetic

No, I understood perfectly what you we're talking about. Kakashi used MS two times, and he's not even an Uchiha. Do you expect him to be jumping around with joy right after doing that? He's not Naruto.

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 17, 2008, 12:50 AM
i wish kishi would show some more of the 1000 jutsus kakashi have.

lazyboyrod
June 17, 2008, 12:54 AM
No, I understood perfectly what you we're talking about. Kakashi used MS two times, and he's not even an Uchiha. Do you expect him to be jumping around with joy right after doing that? He's not Naruto.

Well thats becaus he doesnt have that much chakra

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 17, 2008, 01:17 AM
Well thats becaus he doesnt have that much chakra

it not that he doesn't have much chakra. He have alot of chakra, as he showed in his fight against Kakuzu, it just that the MS eat away too many chakras.

Raizen
June 17, 2008, 11:46 AM
it not that he doesn't have much chakra. He have alot of chakra, as he showed in his fight against Kakuzu, it just that the MS eat away too many chakras.
Yes, basically the sharingan is a pain in the ass to use by anyone who is not an uchiha.

Kakashi's skills w/ the sharigan has been said to be better than even sasuke maybe on par w/ itachi, it is the strain that the sharigan put on him that wears him out.

Also I don't think he will die, he may start losing and then konoha handsome green devil comes in to save him. Best Friends fighting side by side kicking evil ass

Lelo
June 17, 2008, 12:06 PM
for some reason I think Sasuke will be the one who kills Kakashi, that's if Kishi kills Kakashi off. But if Tsunade is going to die first, which she pobably will, then no one else but Kakashi should be Hokage. If that happens then I dont see Kakashi dying for a while

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 17, 2008, 12:41 PM
for some reason I think Sasuke will be the one who kills Kakashi, that's if Kishi kills Kakashi off. But if Tsunade is going to die first, which she pobably will, then no one else but Kakashi should be Hokage. If that happens then I dont see Kakashi dying for a while

If sasuke end up killing Kakashi then will can be sure that sasuke will die at some point in this manga.

Lelo
June 17, 2008, 01:32 PM
^ let's hope that doesnt happen

Starzen
June 17, 2008, 02:20 PM
there is no one strong enough to kill sasuke from konoha and naruto will never let him die.

jodi
June 17, 2008, 02:35 PM
I don't see Kakashi dying
[hr]
people, he got MS without killing anyone
we don't know how he got it
but think... he created chidori/raikiri... his own ms without the uchiha freaking rules

I really don't see Sasuke killing Kakashi

you guys are too dbz... power isn't everything

even Deidara saw that Kakashi was a problem for akatsuki

lazyboyrod
June 17, 2008, 03:56 PM
it not that he doesn't have much chakra. He have alot of chakra, as he showed in his fight against Kakuzu, it just that the MS eat away too many chakras.

Well if you read here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
Kakashi clearly explains he has a low chakra capacity.

Lelo
June 17, 2008, 07:23 PM
Kakashi seems to have everything(1000 jutsus, sharingan w/ MS, his 5 senses are up there w/ the best, taijutsu and he's a genius) except the one thing that makes everything work, CHAKRA, that sucks

Askia32
June 17, 2008, 07:33 PM
Well if you read here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
Kakashi clearly explains he has a low chakra capacity.

He says he does not have as much chakra as Naruto, not that he has low chakra capacity.

Name one other ninja that can make as many clones as Naruto, and use Naruto's training method, in such, using Shadow clones to their fullest potential.

lazyboyrod
June 17, 2008, 08:08 PM
He says he does not have as much chakra as Naruto, not that he has low chakra capacity.

Name one other ninja that can make as many clones as Naruto, and use Naruto's training method, in such, using Shadow clones to their fullest potential.

Please read it again, read the whole thing Kakashi clearly says "ninja's with low chakra capacities like myself"


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/

Askia32
June 18, 2008, 12:33 AM
Please read it again, read the whole thing Kakashi clearly says "ninja's with low chakra capacities like myself"


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/

I did read the whole thing. The whole thing says this;

"Since it splits the chakra evenly across the clones, ninja with low chakra capacities like me, can't use it to it's full potential".

Compared to Naruto, Kakashi has a low chakra capacity. Does that mean in general his capacity is low? No. Like I said, can you name one ninja that can use the KB to it's fullest potential like Naruto can?

Would you consider Sasuke has a big chakra capacity?

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 18, 2008, 12:51 AM
Well if you read here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
Kakashi clearly explains he has a low chakra capacity.

i think you should reread that page youself because kakashi was clearly saying that he have a low chakra capacity compare to naruto, who we know have a large chakra capacity.
[hr]

Please read it again, read the whole thing Kakashi clearly says "ninja's with low chakra capacities like myself"


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/

he is saying "ninja's with low chakra capacities like myself" in comparison with naruto chakra capacity.

whiteHanzo
June 18, 2008, 01:54 AM
chakra limit is arguably something that you can't always count for in narutoverse, you know, especially when it comes to sasuke *blink*

Starzen
June 18, 2008, 02:26 AM
sasuke has less chakra than itachi and we saw that during that fight.

Raizen
June 18, 2008, 07:17 PM
I don't think kakashi chakra is that little. He has been one to underestimate himself. He seems to have quite a large amount of chakra, it is just that the sharingan drains him much more than what a regular sharigan does b/c he is not a uchiha. I say he has more chakra than sasuke

lazyboyrod
June 18, 2008, 09:09 PM
he is saying "ninja's with low chakra capacities like myself" in comparison with naruto chakra capacity.

No, He wouldnt have said it like that, if it were that he would have said ninja's with 'norman' chakra capacities as opposed to Naruto's freakishly large capacity

aznhotbod
June 19, 2008, 12:13 AM
I think Kakashi said the aforementioned in a self-deprecating manner that he always does.

Also, as far as using MS 3 times and pass out, Kakashi is a non-Uchiha using the highest form of Sharingan. Even Itachi cannot spam MS, and after using it 3 times, he needed to rest for a full day, and he was a Full Uchiha, had time to practice with Sharingan.

Askia32
June 19, 2008, 12:25 AM
No, He wouldnt have said it like that, if it were that he would have said ninja's with 'norman' chakra capacities as opposed to Naruto's freakishly large capacity

Wow. If you don't get it by now, there's no hope.

ace138
June 19, 2008, 10:02 AM
Kakashi can't die he's to cool. No but seriously, I think he's to big to the story to be killed of and Kishi said that something big was going to hapen to him, I doubt that dying would be something big. (Well thats big but that would suck if he died, J-man and Itachi already died, I think thats enough.) Probably going to get some new power, or become Hokage.

Lelo
June 19, 2008, 10:23 AM
I did read the whole thing. The whole thing says this;

"Since it splits the chakra evenly across the clones, ninja with low chakra capacities like me, can't use it to it's full potential".

Compared to Naruto, Kakashi has a low chakra capacity. Does that mean in general his capacity is low? No. Like I said, can you name one ninja that can use the KB to it's fullest potential like Naruto can?

Would you consider Sasuke has a big chakra capacity?

Kakashi does have low chakra. Ninja(meaning all ninja) with low chakra capacities like me. He clearly isnt comparing himself to Naruto. Naruto has up to 4 times Kakashis chakra and if he uses the Kyuubi it could be 100 times his chakra

Askia32
June 19, 2008, 10:30 AM
Kakashi does have low chakra. Ninja(meaning all ninja) with low chakra capacities like me. He clearly isnt comparing himself to Naruto. Naruto has up to 4 times Kakashis chakra and if he uses the Kyuubi it could be 100 times his chakra

Nope, he says Naruto has 2x's more chakra than he does. Check your facts before you make an argument.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

He clearly is comparing himself to Naruto.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

Starzen
June 19, 2008, 10:34 AM
are you sure with the 2x chakra as you are the only one who believes this.

bax
June 19, 2008, 10:43 AM
Yes, Naruto's chakra is twice as much as Kakashi (discounting Kyubi's).

But what Askia means here is the capacity of the chakra. He was comparing himself to Naruto that time, and compared to Naruto, he has low capacity, but doesn;t necessarily he's low on chakra compared to the others. Lets put it in numbers for easier reference.

Let say naruto has 5000 chakra capacity. That would make Kakashi has 2500. So, Kakashi has low capacity compared to Naruto. But what if the average capacity of all ninja is 2000? Then, Kakashi has higher capacity by average.

It's somewhat implied that Kakashi has quite a high capacity chakra (but still pale when compared to Naruto - Naruto's chakra is just too large). He maintained his sharingan all the time when he was in the bell test against Naruto and Sakura. And he did say that he can maintain the situation until dawn. Although it could probably mean the time for the bell test to end, but for him to hold out until dawn, he needs chakra, regardless with the sharingan or not.

lazyboyrod
June 19, 2008, 10:56 AM
Nope, he says Naruto has 2x's more chakra than he does. Check your facts before you make an argument.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

He clearly is comparing himself to Naruto.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

Exactly two times more, than he goes on to explain he could have 100 times more with the Kyuubi just face it he has a low chakra capacity.

aznhotbod
June 19, 2008, 11:41 AM
Everyone pales in comparison to someone who has 100 times more of anything. Let's face that.

I have 1 million, someone has 100x1million. Am I poor? Heck no. I am dirt poor compared to the other guy. Poor me.

Kakashi has low chakra compared to Naruto, simple as that. Is he inheritantly low on chakra? No.

Lelo
June 19, 2008, 01:18 PM
Nope, he says Naruto has 2x's more chakra than he does. Check your facts before you make an argument.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

He clearly is comparing himself to Naruto.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

my bad it was 2x but my point was Naruto has 100x Kakashi chakra cause he has the Kyuubi, I'm at work on my phone so I dont have the time to research but I was close enough. Kakashi has low chakra, like all ninja with low chakra capacity, let's just leave it at that.

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 19, 2008, 01:38 PM
Wow. If you don't get it by now, there's no hope.

thanks. that exactly the same thing i was about to say to him.
[hr]

my bad it was 2x but my point was Naruto has 100x Kakashi chakra cause he has the Kyuubi, I'm at work on my phone so I dont have the time to research but I was close enough. Kakashi has low chakra, like all ninja with low chakra capacity, let's just leave it at that.

actually you are right that naruto have 4x more chakra than kakashi, the 2x was said to be a mistranslation.

Starzen
June 19, 2008, 02:03 PM
100x is naruto with out kyuubi as kyuubi has a limit less amount of chakra hence yamato controlling kyuubis chakra and keeping it in check so that naruto can focus all of his chakra on the training.

Lelo
June 19, 2008, 02:11 PM
thanks. that exactly the same thing i was about to say to him.
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actually you are right that naruto have 4x more chakra than kakashi, the 2x was said to be a mistranslation.

it was 4x, I thought I remembered Kakashi saying 4x, LOL, I was right. Thanks for clearing that up, I cant research right now, the Internet on my phone is slow and I dont have the time to wait for every page to load

lazyboyrod
June 19, 2008, 02:37 PM
Yeah so It is obvious to see that Kakashi has a low chakra capacity.

Lelo
June 19, 2008, 07:07 PM
I dont know why its soo hard for people to understand that Kakashi has low chakra. He is the most gifted shinobi, IMO, in Naruto. He has everything except not enough chakra

Askia32
June 20, 2008, 01:12 AM
I dont know why its soo hard for people to understand that Kakashi has low chakra. He is the most gifted shinobi, IMO, in Naruto. He has everything except not enough chakra

Because it's not true.

First Kakashi thinks to himself that Naruto and Sasuke have incomparable more chakra potential than Sakura.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/18/Naruto18-11/
Sakura, is a ninja with low chakra capacity.

Than Kakashi thinks to himself;
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/18/Naruto18-19/
Naruto has more chakra potential than Sasuke, and even above Kakashi. The way this is said in the manga, shows that through what Kakashi is saying, Sasuke does not have more chakra potential than Kakashi.

So yes, when Kakashi said ninja's with a low chakra capacity like himself, he was comparing himself to Naruto. Meaning, in general, Kakashi does not have a low chakra capacity.

Point, Set, and Match
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[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]actually you are right that naruto have 4x more chakra than kakashi, the 2x was said to be a mistranslation.

woops

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 20, 2008, 12:45 PM
100x is naruto with out kyuubi as kyuubi has a limit less amount of chakra hence yamato controlling kyuubis chakra and keeping it in check so that naruto can focus all of his chakra on the training.

It 4x without the kyuubi chakra and 100xplus with the kyuubi chakra.

Raizen
June 20, 2008, 02:21 PM
I agree w/ askia. Good find

Lelo
June 20, 2008, 06:48 PM
Because it's not true.

First Kakashi thinks to himself that Naruto and Sasuke have incomparable more chakra potential than Sakura.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/18/Naruto18-11/
Sakura, is a ninja with low chakra capacity.

Than Kakashi thinks to himself;
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/18/Naruto18-19/
Naruto has more chakra potential than Sasuke, and even above Kakashi. The way this is said in the manga, shows that through what Kakashi is saying, Sasuke does not have more chakra potential than Kakashi.

So yes, when Kakashi said ninja's with a low chakra capacity like himself, he was comparing himself to Naruto. Meaning, in general, Kakashi does not have a low chakra capacity.

Point, Set, and Match
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woops

Man this is getting annoying, if he compared himself to Naruto he would of said, "compared to you Naruto, I have low chakra," or " I dont have as much chakra as you Naruto". He said NINJA"S, not Naruto, but NINJAS(which means everyone else) with low chakra capacity like myself. He just compared himself to ninjas that have low chakra capacity. Also how many times do you have to hear Kakashi say "I'm running out of chakra", since Naruto began. Kishi is making it very clear that Kakashi doesnt have a lot of chakra. Thats probably why Kishi gave Kakashi eveything, like 1000 jutsus, sharingan w/ MS, he smell as good as Kiba, as smart as Shikamaru, taijutsu like Rock, he created chidori and he can find anyone at anytime w/ his dogs. If Kakashi had the chakra to back that up he would of been the ultimate shinobi

Game Set and Match

Askia32
June 21, 2008, 04:08 AM
Man this is getting annoying, if he compared himself to Naruto he would of said, "compared to you Naruto, I have low chakra," or " I dont have as much chakra as you Naruto". He said NINJA"S, not Naruto, but NINJAS(which means everyone else) with low chakra capacity like myself. He just compared himself to ninjas that have low chakra capacity. Also how many times do you have to hear Kakashi say "I'm running out of chakra", since Naruto began. Kishi is making it very clear that Kakashi doesnt have a lot of chakra. Thats probably why Kishi gave Kakashi eveything, like 1000 jutsus, sharingan w/ MS, he smell as good as Kiba, as smart as Shikamaru, taijutsu like Rock, he created chidori and he can find anyone at anytime w/ his dogs. If Kakashi had the chakra to back that up he would of been the ultimate shinobi

Game Set and Match

Haha, wow. On the very same page that your talking about, Kakashi says to Naruto, "Like I said, I don't have your stamina, or your level of chakra". This is called a comparison.

The comment you made about Kakashi saying that he is running out of chakra all the time is pretty inaccurate. Thats a clear sign that your thinking more of the anime than the actual manga.

Haha, you said Game Set Match at the end of your post to try and get back at me. To bad your post was completely wrong.

Oh, just in case you still want try to make another argument, Kakashi mentions his weakness, and it wasn't chakra capacity.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/246/14/

Lelo
June 21, 2008, 04:04 PM
Haha, wow. On the very same page that your talking about, Kakashi says to Naruto, "Like I said, I don't have your stamina, or your level of chakra". This is called a comparison.

The comment you made about Kakashi saying that he is running out of chakra all the time is pretty inaccurate. Thats a clear sign that your thinking more of the anime than the actual manga.

Haha, you said Game Set Match at the end of your post to try and get back at me. To bad your post was completely wrong.

Oh, just in case you still want try to make another argument, Kakashi mentions his weakness, and it wasn't chakra capacity.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/246/14/

obviuosly he compared himself when he said that but we were talkng about when he said all ninja with low chakra capactiy, he compared himself to ninjas right there.

are we reading the same Manga, true he says it in the Manga like 20 times but he has also said it in the Manga a good amount of times. Mostly pre-timeskip. And that link you showed to prove ur point, do you know what stamina is, its chakra. When he uses his sharingan, he runs out of chakra quick. You really need to get ur facts straight

Askia32
June 22, 2008, 02:54 AM
obviuosly he compared himself when he said that but we were talkng about when he said all ninja with low chakra capactiy, he compared himself to ninjas right there.

are we reading the same Manga, true he says it in the Manga like 20 times but he has also said it in the Manga a good amount of times. Mostly pre-timeskip. And that link you showed to prove ur point, do you know what stamina is, its chakra. When he uses his sharingan, he runs out of chakra quick. You really need to get ur facts straight

Haha wow. Back to the same page again, shall we? I will link it for you, just so it's fresh in your memory.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/

Kakashi says, I don't have your stamina or your level of chakra. From this statement, stamina and chakra are clearly two different things.

Now yes, Kakashi says ninja with low chakra capacities like me can't use shadow clones to it's full potential.

But, going back a little earlier, Kakashi says that Naruto is the only one capable of doing this method of training.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/311/17/

From this statement, one can conclude that when Kakashi said ninja's with low chakra capacities like himself, he was comparing himself to Naruto, because compared to Naruto, everyone has a low chakra capacity. Just in case you don't agree with that, the very next page after your favorite page, Kakashi says again, that the only one that can handle this training is Naruto.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/

Now, since you clearly have your facts straight, may you please link the good amount of times Kakashi says he's running out, or low on chakra?

Lelo
June 22, 2008, 02:37 PM
Im not saying ur wrong about any of that, I was just trying to make u understand that he compared himself to ninjas, he compared himself to Naruto also but that one line he said, he compared himself to ninjas. Also, when someone runs out of chakra what happens, they have no more stamina.

Also the facts ur using arent right all the time. Like in that link u have, it says Naruto has 2x the chakra Kakashi has, but its actually 4x. Those guys who translate it are really good but they make mistakes. If you read those links in Japanese, where ever it says stamina in english, they are saying chakra in Japanese.

And I dont feel like going threw the Manga looking for times Kakashi said he's running low on chakra, Ive read it already. You can feel free to do it.

lazyboyrod
June 22, 2008, 04:43 PM
Because it's not true.

First Kakashi thinks to himself that Naruto and Sasuke have incomparable more chakra potential than Sakura.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/18/Naruto18-11/
Sakura, is a ninja with low chakra capacity.

Than Kakashi thinks to himself;
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/18/Naruto18-19/
Naruto has more chakra potential than Sasuke, and even above Kakashi. The way this is said in the manga, shows that through what Kakashi is saying, Sasuke does not have more chakra potential than Kakashi.

So yes, when Kakashi said ninja's with a low chakra capacity like himself, he was comparing himself to Naruto. Meaning, in general, Kakashi does not have a low chakra capacity.

Point, Set, and Match

Okay but Sasuke was 12, and he didnt even activate his sharingan at the time, Kakashi's assesment back then realy means nothing to us right now.

pjoto
June 22, 2008, 04:55 PM
Hehehe you know everyone that only watches the anime and enters MH.com and sees the thread "Kakashi's Death" highlighted as a new/active thread will think they've been spoiled and are very sad/angry atm :p

But why is the thread here anyway? Kakashi won't die for a long long time, Jiraya just died, why take away more good-guys?

Lelo
June 22, 2008, 05:04 PM
^ in a story like this some good guys have to die, it makes the story more interesting. Kishi has to sacrifice good characters every no and then. People like the 3rd, Jiraiya, and Asuma were the ones who were sacrificed. I dont think Kishi could have written it better than that

Black/Light
June 22, 2008, 05:43 PM
I don't think Kak will die. . . we just had J-man and Itachi die so if Kak goes than thats it for all the "cool adult good guys (save Guy. . .the 5th aint too cool)".

I think he will become the Kage and pass that title on to Naruto once Naruto is mature enuff.

kkck
June 22, 2008, 08:04 PM
To many references to the similarities between orochimaru and sasuke have been made in the manga and the covers for sasuke not being the one to kill kakashi sensei.
Similarities oro and sasuke:
Both defected konoha
Both beated their best friend to scape
Both joined akatsuki
both are powerhungry lunatics
both lost their parents at a young age (sarutobi flashback)
The only thing that is left is "both killed their sensei".

Askia32
June 23, 2008, 02:53 AM
If you read those links in Japanese, where ever it says stamina in english, they are saying chakra in Japanese.

...

Back to your favorite page....
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
So from what your saying, Kakashi's quote is, "Like I said, I don't have your chakra, or your level of chakra".




And I dont feel like going threw the Manga looking for times Kakashi said he's running low on chakra, Ive read it already. You can feel free to do it.

This means you looked, and could not find anything...
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Okay but Sasuke was 12, and he didnt even activate his sharingan at the time, Kakashi's assesment back then realy means nothing to us right now.

Thats why the key word is potential.
Potential
1. possible, as opposed to actual
2. capable of being or becoming

Also, I've never read in the manga that the sharingan gives you more chakra.

Umbra Wolf
June 23, 2008, 05:55 AM
If you ask me it doesn't matter if Kakshi's chakra capacity is below or above average.
Kakashi is a highly skilled shinobi who defeated lots of enemies in his career.
If he is about to die it won't be like "OMG, I'm low on chakra" because plot no jutsu always negates this fact (see Sasuke and Itachi fight).
If Kakashi dies in a battle then it'll be a tough one where Kakshi goes all out and dies because of the superior skills or the spite of the particular bad guy.

Lelo
June 23, 2008, 02:51 PM
...

Back to your favorite page....
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/10/
So from what your saying, Kakashi's quote is, "Like I said, I don't have your chakra, or your level of chakra".




This means you looked, and could not find anything...
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Thats why the key word is potential.
Potential
1. possible, as opposed to actual
2. capable of being or becoming

Also, I've never read in the manga that the sharingan gives you more chakra.

Okay, this is the last time I quote u. Wether u believe or disagree is up to u. I believe Kakashi has low chrakra capacity, Naruto has 4x the amount Kakashi has without the Kyuubi. I never said sharingan gives u more chakra, I said it wastes Kakashis faster than a normal shairngan user cause Kakshi wasn't born Uchiha. And no I didnt go threw the Manga and not find Kakasi saying g he runs out of chakra, I wouldn't dare waste my time like that. If you read it then you should know, if you can't remember then go read it again. Sorry if I annoyed you but disagreeing is what this website is all about

Askia32
June 23, 2008, 03:01 PM
Okay, this is the last time I quote u. Wether u believe or disagree is up to u. I believe Kakashi has low chrakra capacity, Naruto has 4x the amount Kakashi has without the Kyuubi. I never said sharingan gives u more chakra, I said it wastes Kakashis faster than a normal shairngan user cause Kakshi wasn't born Uchiha. And no I didnt go threw the Manga and not find Kakasi saying g he runs out of chakra, I wouldn't dare waste my time like that. If you read it then you should know, if you can't remember then go read it again. Sorry if I annoyed you but disagreeing is what this website is all about

You should re-read my post, because the sharingan comment was directed to someone else in which I quoted.

And if you want to make an argument, you should support it with evidence. I have read the manga, and I know he rarely says he's running low on chakra. Like I said before, your getting the manga confused with the anime. This statement holds 100% true, unless you could show some evidence that proves it false.

Lelo
June 23, 2008, 03:14 PM
^ wow, that was a fast ass reply. Sorry i thought u were saying it to me. Your right I should show some evidence but I'm always on my phone and the Internet is slow and there is no copying links. And by the time I get home I'm too lazy.

lazyboyrod
June 24, 2008, 05:31 PM
...Thats why the key word is potential.
Potential
1. possible, as opposed to actual
2. capable of being or becoming

Also, I've never read in the manga that the sharingan gives you more chakra.

Come on man, give me a break, they just recently realized Sasuke's potential in Shippuuden, compared to his brother at that age Sasuke had no real talent.

Lelo
June 24, 2008, 07:28 PM
^I know. In the first part Sasuke was always pist that Naruto saves him and that Naruto is getting stronger faster, and he was doing it naturally. So Sasuke had to go cheat and be given the curse mark, snake jutsus and now MS. Basically Sasuke is taking a shit load of steroids and Naruto is taking nothing.

Askia32
June 24, 2008, 11:05 PM
Come on man, give me a break, they just recently realized Sasuke's potential in Shippuuden, compared to his brother at that age Sasuke had no real talent.

Wrong again...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/49/Nar-6-4-16/

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 24, 2008, 11:31 PM
If you ask me it doesn't matter if Kakshi's chakra capacity is below or above average.
Kakashi is a highly skilled shinobi who defeated lots of enemies in his career.
If he is about to die it won't be like "OMG, I'm low on chakra" because plot no jutsu always negates this fact (see Sasuke and Itachi fight).
If Kakashi dies in a battle then it'll be a tough one where Kakshi goes all out and dies because of the superior skills or the spite of the particular bad guy.

Well said. As we have seen in the Manga, chakra capacity doesn't make that much of a difference.

Alterno
June 25, 2008, 06:17 AM
I think Kakashi needs to get a power up to back up Jiraiya's premise, of him being good enough to hold the tittle "Hokage", I mean to put him near the strenght that someone that has such title have. Some kind of training, but far as we know Kakashi don't train a lot, in fact when he was climbing towards the top of mountain he spoke about his lack of training. I see Kakashi's death a good way out to complete Naruto's process and a way to impact Sakura pretty hard aswell.

Anyone see another Master vs Student fight as good way out for him?

Sasuke vs Kakashi

lordHokage
June 25, 2008, 10:00 AM
I think Kakashi needs to get a power up to back up Jiraiya's premise, of him being good enough to hold the tittle "Hokage", I mean to put him near the strenght that someone that has such title have. Some kind of training, but far as we know Kakashi don't train a lot, in fact when he was climbing towards the top of mountain he spoke about his lack of training. I see Kakashi's death a good way out to complete Naruto's process and a way to impact Sakura pretty hard aswell.

Anyone see another Master vs Student fight as good way out for him?

Sasuke vs Kakashi


If Sasuke kill Kakashi-sensei, that would have a positive impact on Naruto and a negative impact on Sakura for sure. :blink

kkck
June 25, 2008, 10:19 AM
I think Kakashi needs to get a power up to back up Jiraiya's premise, of him being good enough to hold the tittle "Hokage", I mean to put him near the strenght that someone that has such title have. Some kind of training, but far as we know Kakashi don't train a lot, in fact when he was climbing towards the top of mountain he spoke about his lack of training. I see Kakashi's death a good way out to complete Naruto's process and a way to impact Sakura pretty hard aswell.

Anyone see another Master vs Student fight as good way out for him?

Sasuke vs Kakashi

Thats what I have been saying. It would make naruto understand he will have to kill sasuke if sasuke keeps what he is doing. Also killing kakashi would set sasuke even more in orochimaru's path.

Lelo
June 25, 2008, 12:47 PM
I wouldn't mind that, if Kakashi is going to die I think its best if Sasuke kills him. I dont think Sasuke would kill Kakashi anyways. Sasuke really hasn't killed anyone at all in the Manga, Diedara and Itachi killed themselves and Itachi killed Oro. Sasuke saves the killing for certain people like his bro or now the eldersx and maybe Madara but other than them Sasuke won't kill anyone. So if someone like Madara kills Kakashi, thats fine too, as long as its someone that powerful who takes out Kakashi

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 25, 2008, 01:19 PM
Thats what I have been saying. It would make naruto understand he will have to kill sasuke if sasuke keeps what he is doing. Also killing kakashi would set sasuke even more in orochimaru's path.

If Sasuke kill kakashi then we can be sure that Naruto we kill Sasuke. There we no reason for him not to want him died anymore.

Lelo
June 25, 2008, 04:28 PM
^ thats why its not going to happen. If Sasuke kills Kakashi then its over for Sasuke, his death by Naruto would happen for sure. Then there would be no one left in the Manga. Kakashi, Sasuke, Jiraiya, Asuma, The 3rd, Itachi and maybe the 5th will all be dead

lordHokage
June 25, 2008, 05:21 PM
^ thats why its not going to happen. If Sasuke kills Kakashi then its over for Sasuke, his death by Naruto would happen for sure. Then there would be no one left in the Manga. Kakashi, Sasuke, Jiraiya, Asuma, The 3rd, Itachi and maybe the 5th will all be dead


If Sasuke kills Kakashi-sensei and Naruto kill him, the Uchiha's cursed family saga finally comes to end and life would continue in Naruto’s universe until a new enemy emerges and the saga continues. :p

Kusachu
June 26, 2008, 04:11 AM
If Sasuke kills Kakashi-sensei and Naruto kill him, the Uchiha's cursed family saga finally comes to end and life would continue in Naruto’s universe until a new enemy emerges and the saga continues. :p

Yeah, but too bad if that happens Naruto essentially fails at life. How can he become Hokage if he can't even save one friend?

If Kakshi is going to die, it isn't going to be by Sasuke's hand. Madara's or Pein's perhaps, or perhaps he'll overuse his sharingan and die like that, but as the manga stands right now I'd bet the rent that Kakashi will not be killed by Sasuke.

Raizen
June 26, 2008, 11:57 AM
It is better to save a whole village than just the life of one friend. After all everyone in the village is naruto's friend. Basically naruto has to make a decision that hokages make everyday. He has to think of what is best for the village, and maybe killing sasuke is that.

It is like one of those wierd questions "Would u save one sibling from a fire or 10 strangers?"

lazyboyrod
June 26, 2008, 01:01 PM
It is better to save a whole village than just the life of one friend. After all everyone in the village is naruto's friend. Basically naruto has to make a decision that hokages make everyday. He has to think of what is best for the village, and maybe killing sasuke is that.

It is like one of those wierd questions "Would u save one sibling from a fire or 10 strangers?"

I would save one sibling....
But anyway thats not the way Naruto thinks, he will not be satisfied untill he could save everyone, not having to chose between whom t save.

Lelo
June 26, 2008, 01:32 PM
@kusachu, I agree with you, if Kakashi is going to die, its going to be Madara or Pein that kills him. Kakashi will overuse his sharingan and die. Hopefully none of this stuff actually happens. I dont want Kakashi to die but if he is, let it be in the hands of the 2 most powerful shinobi alive, Pein and Madara.

kkck
June 26, 2008, 01:40 PM
Just one body of pein was enough to force jiraiya to use hermit mode, so I dont think kakashi would last long enough againts pein to die from chakra overuse. I also dont think he would last long enough againts madara either to die from exhaustion.

Starzen
June 26, 2008, 03:04 PM
against madara he already knows that physical attacks are impossible and I don't think that kishi is that cruel, if he should die than he must die fighting the likes of konan and kisame for a good fight.

Karma
June 26, 2008, 04:21 PM
Yeah, but too bad if that happens Naruto essentially fails at life. How can he become Hokage if he can't even save one friend?

If Kakshi is going to die, it isn't going to be by Sasuke's hand. Madara's or Pein's perhaps, or perhaps he'll overuse his sharingan and die like that, but as the manga stands right now I'd bet the rent that Kakashi will not be killed by Sasuke.No it won't.. Naruto would also do some thing Jiraiya couldn't do as well.. Jiraiya couldn't kill Orochi.. While Naruto might Kill Sasuke.. thats not failing at all.. lol

Forever_Melody
June 26, 2008, 04:34 PM
No it won't.. Naruto would also do some thing Jiraiya couldn't do as well.. Jiraiya couldn't kill Orochi.. While Naruto might Kill Sasuka..

Mind you Jiraiya was never able to bring back Orochimaru(to the point where he gave up) while Naruto might bring back Sasuke(since he's always so adamant about it).

lordHokage
June 26, 2008, 06:03 PM
Just one body of pein was enough to force jiraiya to use hermit mode, so I dont think kakashi would last long enough againts pein to die from chakra overuse. I also dont think he would last long enough againts madara either to die from exhaustion.


Well said. Kakashi-sensei can only battle weak opponents for a long period of time. :D

Lelo
June 26, 2008, 07:51 PM
dont forget that other than Shikamaru, Kakashi is the smartest shinobi. He wont get killed in an instant, he will find ways to fight his opponents. If he fought Pein yes he would lose but not before he gave it everything hes got. Who knows, maybe Kakashi can get Pein with his MS

Karma
June 26, 2008, 08:37 PM
Mind you Jiraiya was never able to bring back Orochimaru(to the point where he gave up) while Naruto might bring back Sasuke(since he's always so adamant about it).
yea, that too.. or else he killed him.. like what the 3rd did and regret it in the end. Itachi speak about it before he give naruto some of his power..

Forever_Melody
June 26, 2008, 08:40 PM
yea, that too.. or else he killed him.. like what the 3rd did and regret it in the end. Itachi speak about it before he give naruto some of his power..

Well Naruto happens to have adamant faith when it comes to his personal beliefs. While everyone around him thinks its pointless or bound to fail, he fervently still thinks it can work(and without having to kill any party either >_>)

Karma
June 26, 2008, 08:44 PM
dont forget that other than Shikamaru, Kakashi is the smartest shinobi. He wont get killed in an instant, he will find ways to fight his opponents. If he fought Pein yes he would lose but not before he gave it everything hes got. Who knows, maybe Kakashi can get Pein with his MS
Listen.. Stop that.. Shika isn't the smartest person in the leaf village.. and Kakashi more well arounded than Shikamaru as well.

Shika father beat him on playing games that he always win Asuma on. So you want to tell me Shika dad is the smartest person in the leaf village? :amuse I hope you not saying that..
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Well Naruto happens to have adamant faith when it comes to his personal beliefs. While everyone around him thinks its pointless or bound to fail, he fervently still thinks it can work(and without having to kill any party either >_>)Hey, I understand what you saying.. I'm just saying there is two way other from repeating what Jiraiya did.. its either bring him back or kill him with his own hand.

Forever_Melody
June 26, 2008, 08:44 PM
Listen.. Stop that.. Shika isn't the smartest person in the leaf village.. and Kakashi more well arounded than Shikamaru as well.

Shika father beat him on playing games that he always win Asuma on. So you want to tell me Shika dad is the smartest person in the leaf village? :amuse I hope you not saying that..

Although I wouldn't say Shika is the smartest, his intelligence IS far above average so being on par with Shikamaru in intelligence and strategy is saying something nonetheless.

It's like when Naruto compared Kakashi's taijutsu to pre-timeskip Lee. Lee is far from the best taijutsu user in the series, but he's good at it so being on a same level is still something.

The point of that instance(the one where Naruto compares Kakashi) is to show Kakashi is a good all-round type shinobi.

Lelo
June 27, 2008, 01:37 PM
@karma, yes Shika is one of the smartest. Shikamaru is still young but he's as smart or even smarter than everyone in the leaf. Why would Kishi waste his time praising how smart Shikamaru is if he isn't one of the smartest in the Manga. Like Forever_Melody said, Naruto said Kakshis is as smart as Shika, not smarter but as smart as Shika and that was before the timeskip. He was also the only one to make chuunin and he made it cause of his smarts not his jutsu. Also when Shika played his dad it was after Asuma died, Shika wasn't thinking straight, he was still depressed. Ohh yeah, he also killed(I'm not sure if he's actually dead), an Akatsuki member, Hidan, all by himself. That alone should give him enough credit. Also can you name another shinobi who can plan about 200 strategies to take out his opponent.

Raizen
June 27, 2008, 05:57 PM
Bottom line is, you can't deny the genius of SHIKAMARU

lordHokage
June 27, 2008, 07:41 PM
Yeah, but too bad if that happens Naruto essentially fails at life. How can he become Hokage if he can't even save one friend?

If Kakshi is going to die, it isn't going to be by Sasuke's hand. Madara's or Pein's perhaps, or perhaps he'll overuse his sharingan and die like that, but as the manga stands right now I'd bet the rent that Kakashi will not be killed by Sasuke.


Naruto is going to learn the hard way that he can't save everyone. If he wants the Hokage post, he has to learn how make tough and accept good or bad decisions. Madara, Orochimaru and Sasuke all made bad choices that continue to have bad consequences in Naruto’s universe. I don’t think Kakashi-sensei is going to die anytime soon and if so, the overuse of his Sharingan in battle with Madara not Pein sounds good to me. :D

Seta Soujirou
June 28, 2008, 07:07 AM
I doubt Kakashi is going to die...he is too popular among the fans to be killed...its just like saying ishida will die in bleach

kkck
June 28, 2008, 11:00 AM
I doubt Kakashi is going to die...he is too popular among the fans to be killed...its just like saying ishida will die in bleach

I dont think kishi makes his killing desicions based on popularity, if he did deidara, itachi and jiraiya would not have died.

lazyboyrod
June 28, 2008, 12:02 PM
I dont think kishi makes his killing desicions based on popularity, if he did deidara, itachi and jiraiya would not have died.

Yeah they were among the most popular characters, but if he did go by that logic, I fear Kakashi is next lol

Lelo
June 28, 2008, 02:36 PM
Naruto is going to learn the hard way that he can't save everyone. If he wants the Hokage post, he has to learn how make tough and accept good or bad decisions. Madara, Orochimaru and Sasuke all made bad choices that continue to have bad consequences in Naruto’s universe. I don’t think Kakashi-sensei is going to die anytime soon and if so, the overuse of his Sharingan in battle with Madara not Pein sounds good to me. :D

True, Naruto has to learn that he cant save everyone, its kinda like the 3rd and Jiraiya trying to save Oro. But I do believe in the end Naruto will succeed in bringing Sasuke back home. Since Sasuke left the village all Naruto has been saying is he will bring Sasuke back, and that its a promise of a lifetime and that he never goes back on his word cause its his ninja way. So if he doesnt save Sasuke, all that would of meant nothing. IMO, Kishi will bring Sasuke back home to Konoha so he can team up with Naruto and co. for the final battle.

~Kaze~
June 29, 2008, 03:38 AM
i think kakashi might die saving a companion ...
for example bringing naruto back from death ... who is killed by sasuke ... using chyo's jutsu ... and then naruto saves the leaf village.. isnt that just dieing in a normal way ? or die on a mission ???????
it was a fanfic i read in another forum ... but it was soo good .. i thought it might come true ... (i hope it doesnt though )
also i dont think kishi really cares about the popularity ..sotimes killing popular characters makes the story more reallistic and better ...
but if going by the logic that naruto is similar to jiraya .. and jiraya couldnt save his teacher and friend and student ...
if naruto cant save sasuke we might as well see kakashi's death ...
but since naruto is the main character its is very likely that all these things will be reversed ... so naruto will bering sasuke back and probably save kakashi from death. ...

just a theory .. ^_^

lazyboyrod
June 29, 2008, 12:26 PM
I doubt Kakashi is going to die...he is too popular among the fans to be killed...its just like saying ishida will die in bleach

Jiraiya was just as popular if not more and look at his fate, and believe it or not Deidara was very popular (according to the polls), and he's dead, I dont think Kishi cares who the fans like, this is his show, and he's guna run it his way,

Lelo
June 30, 2008, 03:48 PM
^ I think Kakashi is a little more popular than Jiraiya. To tell you the truth, no one really respected Jiraiya before the Pein fight, everyone loved him cause he was funny and he loved the ladies. Kakashi also has way more screen time than Jiraiya, he is more important to the story than Jiraiya is, just a little more. Threw the whole Manga we saw Jiraiya popping out of no where and then he's gone for who knows how long. Kakashi has alwas been there and I think he always will be.

Quick question, let's say Kakashi has a baby, will it possess the sharingan or not. I dont think it would but in the Manga it just could

lazyboyrod
June 30, 2008, 04:31 PM
^ I think Kakashi is a little more popular than Jiraiya. To tell you the truth, no one really respected Jiraiya before the Pein fight, everyone loved him cause he was funny and he loved the ladies. Kakashi also has way more screen time than Jiraiya, he is more important to the story than Jiraiya is, just a little more. Threw the whole Manga we saw Jiraiya popping out of no where and then he's gone for who knows how long. Kakashi has alwas been there and I think he always will be.

Quick question, let's say Kakashi has a baby, will it possess the sharingan or not. I dont think it would but in the Manga it just could

No I dont think it wil, the sharingan was implanted in him, it wont transmit to his kids.

Lelo
June 30, 2008, 06:54 PM
^ yeah, I kind of thought it wouldnt. Sucks.

KnuckleheadedNinja
June 30, 2008, 11:50 PM
Quick question, let's say Kakashi has a baby, will it possess the sharingan or not. I dont think it would but in the Manga it just could

i don't think the baby will have the sharingan because the Sharingan gene is not in Kakashi blood.

Lelo
July 01, 2008, 07:14 PM
^I know, I was just hoping he would. What if he implants it in his son when he is ready for it cause you know Kakashi aint going to die without givning his sharingan to someone, unless it goes blind

lazyboyrod
July 02, 2008, 12:29 AM
^I know, I was just hoping he would. What if he implants it in his son when he is ready for it cause you know Kakashi aint going to die without givning his sharingan to someone, unless it goes blind

Thats sharingan would just die lol, its too old.
But also by that time it will prolly already be blind thanks to his MS.

KnuckleheadedNinja
July 02, 2008, 12:32 AM
^I know, I was just hoping he would. What if he implants it in his son when he is ready for it cause you know Kakashi aint going to die without givning his sharingan to someone, unless it goes blind

That is possible but given the fact he have the MS right now it probably will go blind. Unless the blindness doesn't affect him because of his "unique" situation.

Lelo
July 05, 2008, 03:02 PM
I dont think Kishi would throw away Kakashi's sharingan. Theres only 2 other people with the sharingan and most likely Madara is going to die, so unless he makes Sasuke the only man with sharingan in the Manga, which he probably will, he will give Kakashi's sharingan to someone. Hopefully Naruto. I think Naruto can handle the Sharingan better than Kakashi cause he has a crap load of chakra.

Starzen
July 05, 2008, 03:33 PM
the problem is that the eye is going blind and will be useless in the end. if sasuke where to take itachis eyes than a new pair would be available.

KnuckleheadedNinja
July 05, 2008, 03:37 PM
I dont think Kishi would throw away Kakashi's sharingan. Theres only 2 other people with the sharingan and most likely Madara is going to die, so unless he makes Sasuke the only man with sharingan in the Manga, which he probably will, he will give Kakashi's sharingan to someone. Hopefully Naruto. I think Naruto can handle the Sharingan better than Kakashi cause he has a crap load of chakra.

Naruto with a Sharingan?? If kishi does that he might as well stop writing the Manga.

Lelo
July 07, 2008, 12:07 PM
^ its possible, never say never. That could make Naruto the ultimate shinobi. I think the story would be better off if Naruto didn't get it but that would be ridiculous if he did.