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kuroi-san
October 01, 2007, 07:27 PM
i think if kishi gave us another timeskip sometime in the future it would be SUPER cool. and a really easy way to quickly advance the characters. like they would all be jounin and be going on super dangerous missions (not that they're not already). plus it would be an easy way to reinvent character appearances and make them all grown up and sweet. like another one of say, 5 years (past age 20 or 21 they're practically geezers anyways...)?
i think it would be a mega cool idea, and would allow for alot of new plots and storylines to kind of develop without wasting alot of chapters.
think about what could be accomplished:
-naruto becomes chuunin (we don't need to see another exam)
-other people become jounin (again, i don't think we really need to see the exam, but if it's something really cool kishi might want to add it in)
-way more training and growth for the characters (new jutsus, new composures - eg: naruto cools off and becomes more logical and calculating)
-more characters come to positions of power (naruto = hokage? kakashi = hokage? temari = kazekage? things like that)
-gives time for the rise of new badguys and such
not really posting any new theory or radical new idea, but if you want to gush about what you would like to see, and probably will not see if there isn't another timeskip (there's alot of stuff that just COULDN'T happen without it taking a couple years, like naruto cooling off for example), here's the place to do it!
Alterno
October 01, 2007, 07:42 PM
Totally agree with your point of view and I add that there would not be reasons to keep the relationship between characters with just glares and chit chatting. 2-3 years see the best to me. And naruto becoming Hokage four years after sounds plausible :D.
Askia32
October 02, 2007, 02:53 AM
I would love to see another time skip, that leaves them around 18. I wanna see Naruto develop more into the greatest ninja period. I wanna see Sasuke develop into the greatest Uchiha, and see Sakura develop into the greatest female ninja.
I would like to see who of the original gennin became Jounin, and Anbu. It would also be tight to see the original team 7 doing A ranked, and S ranked missions.
mars0103
October 02, 2007, 04:06 AM
wishing it and it happening are to different things i think that sasuke will not rejoin kohana and i think another chunin exam would be fun 6 chapters long or naruto gets put into the 3rd round by the hokage and the kazekage loop hole :)
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i think that a time skip would be a good idea the part 2 of naruto will be when naruto finish the exams and is told that he is a chunin and you see him lead a team. 2 years pass and naruto is in the hokages office with sakura says that they are both jonin and naruto finds out more secrets about his past
_ATMA
October 02, 2007, 03:36 PM
i think they should have a bunch of little time skips though a chuunin and jounin exam showing us parts of it and then jump to a new arc of some sort
Uchiha Slayer
October 02, 2007, 05:31 PM
I think if Naruto and the gang defeat Akutsuki and bring Sasuke back to Konoha on his own will...I think they should do a 2-3 year timeskip. By that time everyone will become jounin and Naruto will become the youngest Hokage ever!!!(wishful thinking)
Criminal_Minded
October 02, 2007, 05:46 PM
I would like to see another time skip, just because Im still curious to see how the characters will grow. I voted for the 4-6 year time-skip as I would really like to see the rookie 9 as full grown adults. Of course, becuase I love this story so much I want to see it go all the way to the end, I wanna see Naruto as a man and an old man also like the sannin age or even Sasruboti's age. I doubt it will go that far though lol.
Black/Light
October 02, 2007, 06:20 PM
Yes I would like to see another time skip. 4-5 years because we already have a 2-3 one. I would like to see them in a more stable, relationship based story as adults (I mean, 16 and 18 aint too different from each other. Just later on in the teens.). If they do a time-skip into something like this I would think that this peroid of time would be end with a set up into such relationships. And Naruto having control of the Kyb/ Sas's story either ending with his death or him coming back to his friends or just going off like the ToadSage soon be near the end.
Naruto could mature more in that time (I think he has already started to cool off by his kaz fight) and be on his way to being the kage.
Uchiha Slayer
October 03, 2007, 05:36 AM
Sarutobi was around his current age or younger when Shodaime and Nindame made him Sandaime Hokage. So he will have to stick with his plan of being the most powerful and strongest Hokage ever.
Damn I forgot about that...your right he will be the strongest and most powerful If he can ever get their...You know what if Naruto defeat Pein, he will automatically become hokage I think. Then we would just need a timeskip for the others to become jounin.
bean
October 03, 2007, 05:53 AM
given the current events, how can you justify a time skip though? Like, what will happen within those 3-5 years. Yeah, I know they'll all grow, but what events will happen? Who will go where with whom? I hate this scenario, but if jiraiya dies I would like to see naruto leave for a few years to train...by himself.
kaylee
October 03, 2007, 08:36 AM
As much as I love Naruto, I don't think I'd really like to see another timeskip. I think I'd rather see Naruto end on a high note than drag on and on forever. The way Kishi's been dropping revelations like mad, there aren't going to be many (if any) mysteries left to be revealed after this arc's over. I could see this current arc (bringing about the end of the akatsuki and the uchiha conflict) lasting for another 50-100 chapters (or 1-2 years). The manga's already been running for 7 or 8 years. Maybe it's time we let go....
What would be the point of a timeskip anyway? Just to see all of our favorite characters be uber-powerful? To me, that's kinda boring. One of the reasons I loved Naruto in the first place was to be able to root for the underdog. And if it's just to see Naruto become Hokage, that can easily be handled in a brief epilogue.
lordHokage
October 03, 2007, 09:24 AM
Yes, I would love to see another time skip too. I voted for the 2-3 years, making them 18. I want to see characters development. :blink
Jetsu
October 03, 2007, 12:38 PM
yes
Konoha get taken over by Akatsuki. During the fight the Hokage gets killed, maby Kakashi.
Some of the ninjas realize they have no hope of winning, so they drag Naruto way. They then go in hiding. Time skip.
chorns
October 03, 2007, 08:07 PM
I would like to see a timeskip to when they are 18, then a huge timeskip to when Naruto is Sandaime's age(not necessarily Hokage), as if he were telling the story of his life to the newest generation of shinobi.
eni
October 05, 2007, 11:23 AM
Hm, I would love to see a timeskip up to my Kakashi's age :XD
It would be great to see them finally as adults, maybe even with their new family - and training the next generation. Jetsu's idea is nice as well, but I think that would be to much for this manga. Another timeskip will probably not contain the story anymore. It will only be a nice ending, I think.
But however, it would really a huge "fanservice" from Kishimoto to give us a view on the future.
KyleUchiha
October 05, 2007, 12:12 PM
Yes, I would like to see another timeskip. The 4-6 years seems better to me. We already had 2-3 years timeskip and now they are in the middle of the teenage years, so it would be nice to see them move beyond those teen years and see what they become.
But just because they will become adults in that timeskip, doesn't mean the story has to be drawn out, or is the end of the story. If anything, the story could be even more intriguing if they were older. New adventures could happen, see Naruto's life as a teacher, Hokage, and becoming a parent.
Really, there are many possibilities to explore with a story like Naruto, but Kishi does have an ending in mind. While I would like another one, I doubt there will be, at least not a major part 3 like part 1 or 2, but he probably will do a short time-skip arc where it shows they are older and what they become.
akatsuki27
October 05, 2007, 12:47 PM
i would love another time skip, one where some of the characters are romantically linked, and i dont mean the "from afar" and "hinting" relationships like asuma and kurenai had, i want full blown couples....im not gunna say who gets linked with who cause theres another thread for that but i do want the konoha 11 (maybe 12??? sasuke returns???) to be more mature and not be afraid to show their emotions
and kishi shouldnt be afraid to dedicate a chapter to a love scene....FULL FRONTAL!!!! lol, naw im kidding guys....i had too much coffee trying to finish a 15-page paper all night
Ninja_of_Death676
May 20, 2008, 12:34 AM
One thing is for sure, Naruto does not currently have the power to defeat pain, madara, or sasuke. Do you think there will be another TImeskip?
Kazu-kun
May 20, 2008, 02:02 AM
yes. I mean his brother had a timeskip in his series, he might have one.
guido79
May 20, 2008, 02:44 AM
Kishimoto solved this problem with the introduction of the key frog that will allow naruto to access more power from the good side of the kyuubi chakra, if this is how it is supposed to work.
Maybe there will be a time arc in which naruto will disappear from the manga (maybe during sakura and kakashi time as main characters?) and he will go to the frogs mountain..who knows
GaaraoftheDesert77
May 20, 2008, 08:49 AM
New outfits lol....and hopefully well see Sand nins once again.
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One thing is for sure, Naruto does not currently have the power to defeat pain, madara, or sasuke. Do you think there will be another TImeskip?
he also cant beat Kisame or Zetsu alone 2 prob Konan lol
Rahan
May 20, 2008, 09:34 AM
Unless Pein "rebels" and doesn't go after Naruto as he was asked to, no.
After the bunshin training, the key will be the new magic fix...
Razh
May 20, 2008, 10:17 AM
To tell you the truth, I'd rather have a timeskip where everything that has happened is explained after it, then wait for the rest of the year for Naruto to start fighting someone. Or for Madara to finish his bedtime story. Whichever happens first.
kthy0056
May 20, 2008, 10:20 AM
The timeskip didn't helped that much with Naruto's progress :amuse
But it might be possible, the plot in Naruto has advaced so much and in the perfect way for a timeskip.
Possible conclusions before the time skip:
Naruto will learn about his masters death and will go to the Myouboku mountain (after having seen pain for the first time).
Sasuke will join Madara in Akatsuki in order to avenge his family and brother. Maybe they retreat in shadows in the timeskip time too
Root shows his true evil plan to take over Konoha. Maybe some war can happen...
After the timeskip:
Better trained Naruto, with kyuubi controled powers, ready to fight for Konoha in the war started by Root.
Sasuke with Madara and/or Akatsuki returns from the shades and fights against Konoha or smthing like that.
Sai gives informations about Root (I believe this is 90% true with or without the timeskip)
Just some bs
nat
May 20, 2008, 11:10 AM
The way things are going, I think That we will have some time-skip. Even if not a long one, like 2.5 years.
Maybe a couple of months, coz Madara is bringing out the big guns and like you said Konoha is not ready to face him/pein yet. They will need all the power they can spare, shinobis and other allies. Also, the others of Naruto's generation are not ready.
Shika won because he planned well and had one opponent in Hidan, but on a bigger scale he might not have the same result.
Same thing goes for the other teams. Team Gai didn't do much, neither did team 8. Sasuke prolly needs some mentoring from Madara and it might take some time.
Marq
May 20, 2008, 11:43 AM
No, timeskip just to get a justification of Naruto's growth is pure failure in writing. (although the "key" isn't great either) That and Pein is after naruto. I doubt kishi would do the same thing twice and make Naruto hide from Pein. And besides, I don't think there will be a time skip. Naruto only seems to have to two/three years left. (Kishi hinted at the interview Naruto doesn't have long til it ends) Not to mention the things that are coming into fruition. Madara seems more and more likely to invade Konoha in the near chapters or so (not 10 or so, more like 40 to 50)
Forever_Melody
May 20, 2008, 04:23 PM
Naruto was already lacking power before the timeskip to take on Orochimaru & Akatsuki. It's partially Kishi's fault if he decided not to make that gap close enough with his tiemskip no?
Kishi introduced KB training and the key thingy as future outlets for Naruto's growth. Both of which seem to require not so much time. You see my drift? Kishi has implemented quick ways for Naruto to get strong, he just needs to make Naruto abuse them soon lol >_<
To answer the question, a timeskip purely to balance power levels isn't good writing. We've already had one of those. If Kishi wants to make one, then he could, although he needs some kind of plot device to stall the storyline for whatever amount of time the timeskip lasts.
In the previous timeskip, the 2 protagonists were in the presence of a Sannin, which stalled Akatsuki's plans.
Now both Sannin are kinda dead, and well, Akatsuki has no major threat to stop them from acquiring Naruto by force(which begs the question of why Tobi didn't do it during their last encounter but what the heck). If Naruto does go into hiding, what's the stop Akatsuki from raiding the land looking for him?
As you see, a plot device like maybe Konoha & allies declaring war on Amegakure to stall Pein & co would be useful to stall the storyline. Pein & Madara openly admitted their plans were coming to fruition soon so making them waiting a few years to make Naruto grow stronger wouldn't be a good thing for them lol ><
KnuckleheadedNinja
May 20, 2008, 04:24 PM
i still don't understand why people think there will be timeskip or there should be one. Most people said a time skip is needed to make naruto stronger but i guess they forgetting that Naruto have the KB training which can make him like 2 times as strong in just a month. Timeskip is pointless. Most likely one of the reason Kishi create the KB training his to avoid another timeskip.
doobious
May 20, 2008, 06:23 PM
I think it'd be fun to have a time skip, solely based on the fact that I like seeing the characters age. They'd be up to their mid teens if we had a 2 year skip right? I'm all for it. One thing I'd like to see is a more useful Sakura. I do kinda feel like a time skip would just cut out all of the built up anticipation he's got going right now. Sasuke/Madara, Root war, all so uncertain. I'm torn on my support of a time skip
barril
May 22, 2008, 09:22 AM
As the above poster mentioned, a timeskip would be lovely because it would mean that the characters would grow and would have a new look, that was one of my favorite things about the timeskip. Even though I wouldn't mind a timeskip I don't see any point in one at this moment story wise.
Madara already stated that he's close to complete his plan, Pain was sent after Naruto, etc. Kishi would have a really hard time justifying a timeskip now.
On the other hand, a timeskip isn't really necessary for Naruto's character to grow in power. Because he can just be absent from the story for a while (maybe with the occasional flash to see how he's doing). I believe Kishi has mentioned that after Sasuke he would focus on Kakashi and Sakura after that and that Naruto would have to wait. I see this as a good opportunity to send Naruto away, maybe to the toad mountain or on some kind of journey of self discovery and training (even more now that he can use TKB to train and get stronger faster it would have to be that long a journey time wise) and have him return in a time of dire need (maybe when Madara makes his move or even Danzou makes a coup).
Anyway, all I know is that I want Naruto to become as powerful as is father or even more and finally be acknowledged by the entire village
vintagemistakes
May 22, 2008, 10:26 PM
I don't really see how a timeskip would even be possible at this moment in the story... everything is coming together. Basically everyone would just have to go on vacation for a while and forget about what they said they were going to do.
EvilGenious
May 22, 2008, 11:00 PM
I personally dont think that there is a use for another timeskip. One is sufficient...two is just a poor excuse as a writer (unless planning a sequel work). Naruto by the looks of it didnt develop much during the first timeskip (he might have, but for the sake of the argument, let's just say no), unlike the others.
It would be unreal if a second were to occur and he ended up being the most powerful shinobi out there...just not feasible. Just my two cents...
Stop
May 23, 2008, 09:34 PM
I wanna see konoha *sorry if spelled it wrong* brought down and then a time skip of like a year or something with naruto and co hiding somewhere.
Black/Light
May 23, 2008, 11:52 PM
Im all for another time-skip.
Really, at this point I don't think that Sas/ Naruto are strong enuff to even try to face MD. Hell, I think that Sas has gotten a huge power down and a time skip would make him stronger by making him MD's b*** for a year or 2/3.
Yea, there is alot of tense build up. Pain is after Naruto (and I don't know how well Naruto can fend him off), Naruto just lost Sas to the dark-side again (Or Sas is on the good side. . .IDK wth those last 2 pages where), ROOT is up to something, Oro is taking over Kub, J-man died, theres a key somewhere and Naruto needs to do something as a result of Jman's death other than KB train and Key power up for 10-20 chaps inorder to kill Pain and MD.
I think a 3rd and final timeskip is just whats needed to give the story the time it needs (Give Naruto time to train cause if he just sits in the leaf than Pain will find him right-away/ Give Sas time to get power from himself without the use of CS and Oro along with giving him more time to really soak himself into the darkness thats MD. . .IF he is with MD in those last 2 pages/ give ROOT time to devilop their attack).
IMO theres alot that I think was brung into the light in Part 2 to set up a "resolve" part 3.
EvolutionIX
May 24, 2008, 10:06 PM
Before Madara's appearance in front of Sasuke, I thought a timeskip would be perfect for Naruto's growth. However, in my view the story is reaching its peak where questions are getting answered and thoughts on characters are pulled back the other way.
It wouldnt make sense for Kishi to pull off a timeskip now as it would slow down the story, where hard work is keeping Naruto as a manga at a steady pace.
naru_naru
May 31, 2008, 07:17 AM
i dont see the justification of a timeskip, the only reason for a timeskip will to fix the balance between the ppl in konoha (especially naruto) and its enemies. tbh i dont understand why the sasuke arc didnt happen sooner, imo this would have made more sense:
- about 2 years into the time skip we see the sasuke arc from killing oro to the announcement of destroying konoha. this takes upto the point of where the time skip stops at 2.5/3 yrs.
- naruto returns from timeskip, and contrary to what has been developed in the story, naruto isnt a complete moron who cant listen to instructions. he actually learns more than the kyuubi and elemental manipulation.
therefore when naruto returns and goes looking for sasuke or whatever happenes with the story naruto will be ready. this will prevent actions such as another timeskip to make naruto as strong as the current enemies. this action in itself is daft as the enemies wont sit on their laurels whilst naruto trains, they also will have gotten stronger. magic fixes such as a second chakra that is "good" kyuubi chakra is even more desperate than implementing a timeskip. i for one dont want to see overnight powerups and similar things, but unfortunately without a timeskip this is the only option for konoha and naruto. what doesnt make sense is why give a power up to characters that dont need them, sasuke was a very strong ninja before the new sharingan (just look at the ninjas killed) so why the new sharingan now (later definatly but at the moment it doesnt seem to fit into the story)? reflecting on characters like naruto, kakashi, yamato, garaa, etc they are already weaker than a sasuke with a normal sharingan so how will they fight against a powered up sasuke, pein, and madara? writing like this makes us think that a time skip will be required to readdress the balance but why was it even developed like this? the only answer i can think of is that the circumstances will be in konohas favour (naruto persuades sasuke he is wrong, enemy underestimates konoha again, kyuubi's second chakra doesnt hurt naruto - this one is really stupid, etc). but writing like this often burdens the story, and tbh i dont like it one bit. we are at what seems to be a crossroads of the story what happens to the character over the next 4-6 months will shape the rest of the manga.
Akumakage
May 31, 2008, 06:29 PM
i dont see the justification of a timeskip, the only reason for a timeskip will to fix the balance between the ppl in konoha (especially naruto) and its enemies. tbh i dont understand why the sasuke arc didnt happen sooner, imo this would have made more sense:
- about 2 years into the time skip we see the sasuke arc from killing oro to the announcement of destroying konoha. this takes upto the point of where the time skip stops at 2.5/3 yrs.
- naruto returns from timeskip, and contrary to what has been developed in the story, naruto isnt a complete moron who cant listen to instructions. he actually learns more than the kyuubi and elemental manipulation.
therefore when naruto returns and goes looking for sasuke or whatever happenes with the story naruto will be ready. this will prevent actions such as another timeskip to make naruto as strong as the current enemies. this action in itself is daft as the enemies wont sit on their laurels whilst naruto trains, they also will have gotten stronger. magic fixes such as a second chakra that is "good" kyuubi chakra is even more desperate than implementing a timeskip. i for one dont want to see overnight powerups and similar things, but unfortunately without a timeskip this is the only option for konoha and naruto. what doesnt make sense is why give a power up to characters that dont need them, sasuke was a very strong ninja before the new sharingan (just look at the ninjas killed) so why the new sharingan now (later definatly but at the moment it doesnt seem to fit into the story)? reflecting on characters like naruto, kakashi, yamato, garaa, etc they are already weaker than a sasuke with a normal sharingan so how will they fight against a powered up sasuke, pein, and madara? writing like this makes us think that a time skip will be required to readdress the balance but why was it even developed like this? the only answer i can think of is that the circumstances will be in konohas favour (naruto persuades sasuke he is wrong, enemy underestimates konoha again, kyuubi's second chakra doesnt hurt naruto - this one is really stupid, etc). but writing like this often burdens the story, and tbh i dont like it one bit. we are at what seems to be a crossroads of the story what happens to the character over the next 4-6 months will shape the rest of the manga.
wow awsome post.
I want a timeskip though. I don't want to c a random power-up. It just destroys the story. Hopefully when naruto comes out of this one he'll be way better then he came out of the other one.
barril
May 31, 2008, 06:55 PM
wow awsome post.
I want a timeskip though. I don't want to c a random power-up. It just destroys the story. Hopefully when naruto comes out of this one he'll be way better then he came out of the other one.
If there is indeed a timeskip Naruto will have to improve dramatically he is the main char after all, and he'll have to be able to atleast stay on even ground with Pain/Sasuke/Madara.
Although I'd like a timeskip to happen (to see new char designs) I don't think it will happen, what will happen imo is: Naruto will go somewhere to train (maybe the frogs mountain) while the story focuses on Kakashi and Sakura.
kkck
May 31, 2008, 09:08 PM
I think there will be another timeskip right after the six months jiraiya menction at the beggining of part two.
kkck
May 31, 2008, 09:42 PM
At the end of part one jiraiya said akatsuke and oro were going to make their moves again in three years.
J-man and naruto returned to konoha two and a half years after they left for training which leaves 6 months before akatsuke can complete their plans.
Yamato also mentions that they still had some time befor the six months are up, but probably he was talking about oro getting sasuke only.
KnuckleheadedNinja
June 01, 2008, 12:34 AM
The manga is heading Full speed ahead, i still don't see any reason for a timeskip.
naru_naru
June 01, 2008, 07:27 AM
what i dont understand is how will a timeskip fix anything? the enemies will also be active, not to mention naruto will have to be learning 2 times faster than the enemy to even think of catching him up. we have seen in part 2 naruto has been made to look like a slow learner, contrary to what was developed in part 1 (he was stupid but he learned fast via trail and error). techniques such as KB training only enhances naruto's learning capacity to equal that of the geniuses, such as naruto current enemies and sasuke. therefore with a time skip naruto will only catch up to or advance slightly further than the level of the enemies prior to the time skip, and during the time skip the enemies will have advanced again. the timeskip will not address the problem because simply put it didnt work the 1st time. anything else and i'll just be repeating my previous post :p
lazyboyrod
June 01, 2008, 12:37 PM
We already had a little baby time skip, they went str8 from the fight with Itachi and Sasuke to Sasuke (new costume) and his new team, for all we know everyone is already in Konoha mourning Jiraiya's death.
mestizo311
June 02, 2008, 07:21 PM
I am not in favor of a time skip nor do I think there will be a time skip. The only character that we think needs a time skip is Naruto. What are all the other characters going to be doing in the meantime. From the last chapter it looks like Sasuke and Madara are ready to proceed. Albeit they need some time to plan it out but it won't take as long as Naruto's training. We haven't seen what Naruto is capable of yet. Let's wait and see what Kishi can pull off with this.
barril
June 02, 2008, 07:49 PM
I am not in favor of a time skip nor do I think there will be a time skip. The only character that we think needs a time skip is Naruto. What are all the other characters going to be doing in the meantime. From the last chapter it looks like Sasuke and Madara are ready to proceed. Albeit they need some time to plan it out but it won't take as long as Naruto's training. We haven't seen what Naruto is capable of yet. Let's wait and see what Kishi can pull off with this.
That's a good point. And that's why Naruto will probably go somewhere to train while the manga goes on and focuses on Kakashi and Sakura as Kishi said he would do.
As for the underlined part, if Naruto was already very strong TKB training wouldn't have been introduced.
lazyboyrod
June 02, 2008, 10:34 PM
I am not in favor of a time skip nor do I think there will be a time skip. The only character that we think needs a time skip is Naruto. What are all the other characters going to be doing in the meantime. From the last chapter it looks like Sasuke and Madara are ready to proceed. Albeit they need some time to plan it out but it won't take as long as Naruto's training. We haven't seen what Naruto is capable of yet. Let's wait and see what Kishi can pull off with this.
If there was a time skip, it wouldnt necessarily be out of time, part one lasted about 160ish chapters not sure, and part two has been going strong for a long time now, but I really doubt it is goin to happen until Tsunade meets her inevitable death.
mestizo311
June 04, 2008, 02:28 AM
That's a good point. And that's why Naruto will probably go somewhere to train while the manga goes on and focuses on Kakashi and Sakura as Kishi said he would do.
As for the underlined part, if Naruto was already very strong TKB training wouldn't have been introduced.
The idea of the storyline continuing and Naruto going off to train is a possibility. If anything, I would much rather see this happen than have a whole Narutoverse time skip.
I was under the impression that the training was to give him an ultimate jutsu as well as nature control. The TKB training doesn't necessarily mean that Naruto didn't learn new techniques during his time with Jiraiya. It's all kinda speculation since we haven't really seen Naruto seriously fight anybody in this 2nd part. I'm sure Jiraiya worked with him on summoning techniques.
naru_naru
June 04, 2008, 03:06 PM
imo we havent even seen naruto actually fight, we have seen what kyuubi can do and what a half finished jutsu can do but we havent seen naruto fight as the way he did in part one. pre-KB training i always believed that naruto had alot more to show, however, due to the KB training imo its a clear sign naruto didnt have much more then the kyuubi.
based on the majority of replies it seems that ppl believe a time skip is required to allow naruto to play catchup. however, what puzzles me is why was the story written in such a way that it has left us feeling naruto is so inferior to the enemies. hopefully this will be explained in the manga over the next several weeks. considering the way the manga ended, for all we know next weeks manga could say that there has been a time skip and it took the duration of the time skip for sasuke to get his new sharingan.
Sum
June 06, 2008, 12:50 PM
My opinion on this entire Time skip is that it should not happen.
Reason
Its just point less. I think the story should follow through with Pein and MD's plans. You see i would rather see the storyline head towards the destruction of konoha in an epic battle where Naruto inevitably is crushed, prior to the epic battle naruto should be informed of Jiraiya's death. During the battle Naruto should be shown the difference between himself and Sasuke. The battle between naruto vs sasuke and MD, Pein + root vs konoha should lead konoha to retreat and abandon the village. The 5th Hokage should be injured to a point where she is on her death bed. On her death bed she requests Yamoto to take naruto to the frog mountain and train him using the KB training method BUT with the secret ninja scroll (the one that naruto steals in the beginning of the manga), just before dying she asks Shikamaru to gather people that will be able to fight against Pein, MD and Sasuke.
By doing such a thing the storyline would lead towards where Sasuke, Pein and MD would move to conquer other villages. Now during this time Shikamaru could be fighting against them OR could be forming a group to fight against them when the time is right, while Naruto trains. Now if such a thing happened Naruto could come back into the battlefield when say the time is right. Upon Naruto's return the fruits of his labour could be shown and through this battle Naruto would win. Now by winning the battle the people Shikamaru gathers together could form a new village that Naruto becomes hokage of simply because through the battle he feels he has the strength to protect everyone.
naru_naru
June 06, 2008, 04:19 PM
i got to say it will be very interesting if konoha is destroyed, but once naruto leaves imo pein and madara will back off once they realise he has gone, and look for him to get the kyuubi. as to sasuke imo he kills all the elder ppl who make the konoha advisers and anyone associated to itachi's mission and then leaves. this will leave konoha on the brink of destruction, if konoha is abandoned then there is probably a secondary mini village for such a situation. this story development will lead to a darker naruto character, maybe one who can finally tame the kyuubi? who knows, almost destroying/destroying konoha would be interesting imo.
Forever_Melody
June 06, 2008, 04:45 PM
The question is all where Kishi wants to lead the story and his characters. Does he want Naruto to turn all dark? I mean, Jiraiya and Minato both experienced war(and betrayal and death), but they weren't dark in character. Will Naruto suffer the same fate?
The idea of Konoha in ruins would also spawn a shinobi war most likely since the biggest of the shinobi villages would have fallen and the structure of power would have fallen. This would allow Kishi to incorporate new elements in new villages, new shinobis and such. Perhaps variety otehr than Konoha would be beneficial for the manga.
naru_naru
June 11, 2008, 01:10 PM
such a story will probably lead to naruto leading the campaign against AK or whats left of them, and then defeating them and uniting all the villages under one kage, etc, etc. but this story needs a strong naruto, unless kishimoto wants to leave naruto on the sidelines, naruto isn't ready hence do we need a time skip?
nat
June 11, 2008, 01:36 PM
According to (prolly) the latest developpment, it doesn't look that way. No timeskip.
Black Thought
June 11, 2008, 02:15 PM
I think if there is another timeskip it will be after this so called "attack" on Konohagakure. After that then I believe a timeskip is in order I don't care if you're Sasuke, or anyone else for that matter you don't go from being a knuckled headed ninja to being stronger than Jiraiya-sama in a day. And it took Sasuke two and half years under Orochimaru with a cursed seal mind you! But Naruto has Kakashi-san... -admiration- Kakashi's the greatest and he will help Naruto become great as well. So there Will be a time skip.
lazyboyrod
June 11, 2008, 09:17 PM
If there is I hope we come back when Naruto is 20 lol, no more little kid shit!
Starzen
June 12, 2008, 05:56 AM
I don't think that would work, train for 4yrs with out any real fights. If he should disappeare while the story continues than when he returns the spotlight will be on him again and we wont have to ask about the rest of characters and mysteries like now. I say naruto leaves to train alone with the frogs for 6 months while aka and taka attack konoha and seal the other bijuu.
naru_naru
June 13, 2008, 06:44 AM
I think if there is another timeskip it will be after this so called "attack" on Konohagakure. After that then I believe a timeskip is in order I don't care if you're Sasuke, or anyone else for that matter you don't go from being a knuckled headed ninja to being stronger than Jiraiya-sama in a day. And it took Sasuke two and half years under Orochimaru with a cursed seal mind you! But Naruto has Kakashi-san... -admiration- Kakashi's the greatest and he will help Naruto become great as well. So there Will be a time skip.
and while naruto is training the enemies will sit idle and wait for him to come back stronger........
due to story developments a time skip is pointless, whilst naruto trains his enemies (2 of whom have the sharingan and the other has a doujutsu most of which is still an unknown ability wise) will also be training. whole point of the 1st time skip was to allow naruto and sasuke to catch up to the level of the AK, also during this time the enemies were busy plotting. it worked with sasuke but it didn't work with naruto so hes playing catch up. he has to catch up and then surpass the level (in terms of combat abilities) his enemies were on at the start of training if he wants to fight them. KB training is an awesome addition but compared to the sharingan in terms of training its not enough to bridge the ability gap; hence time skip is pointless.
lazyboyrod
June 13, 2008, 06:09 PM
and while naruto is training the enemies will sit idle and wait for him to come back stronger........
due to story developments a time skip is pointless, whilst naruto trains his enemies (2 of whom have the sharingan and the other has a doujutsu most of which is still an unknown ability wise) will also be training. whole point of the 1st time skip was to allow naruto and sasuke to catch up to the level of the AK, also during this time the enemies were busy plotting. it worked with sasuke but it didn't work with naruto so hes playing catch up. he has to catch up and then surpass the level (in terms of combat abilities) his enemies were on at the start of training if he wants to fight them. KB training is an awesome addition but compared to the sharingan in terms of training its not enough to bridge the ability gap; hence time skip is pointless.
Actually Naruto needs a time-skip, how you just explained yourself that Naruto is nowhere near strong enough to be able to fend for himself and the KB training wouldnt bridge the gap of abilities compared to the Sharingan so what choice do we have other than a time-skip?
KnuckleheadedNinja
June 13, 2008, 06:44 PM
Actually Naruto needs a time-skip, how you just explained yourself that Naruto is nowhere near strong enough to be able to fend for himself and the KB training wouldnt bridge the gap of abilities compared to the Sharingan so what choice do we have other than a time-skip?
he can go train with the frong while kishi focus on kakashi and sakura.
naru_naru
June 14, 2008, 12:04 PM
Actually Naruto needs a time-skip, how you just explained yourself that Naruto is nowhere near strong enough to be able to fend for himself and the KB training wouldnt bridge the gap of abilities compared to the Sharingan so what choice do we have other than a time-skip?
ok your post goes to show you didn't read my post; although naruto needs to get stronger a time skip wont fix his weaknesses. this is because it didn't work the first time and the reason it didn't work was that compared to everyone else (for what ever reason kishimoto has decided this) naruto doesn't learn as fast as the rest; especially his rival sasuke. we know this isn't entirely true due to naruto learning the rasengan and the KB and the summons (not to mention getting gama bunta to take notice of him). during the KB training kishimoto uses the character kakashi to reevaluate the difficulty of learning the rasengan, and thus adds the final justification for the requirement of KB training. this is a slight contradiction especially concerning oro's and tsunade's reaction to naruto performing the jutsu. now we know the KB will give naruto the platform to learn as fast as the sharingan (nothing will surpass the sharingan even the kyuubi is under its control). now i have explained in detail the problems with the time skip and the advantages of the KB training i will quote myself:
KB training is an awesome addition but compared to the sharingan in terms of training its not enough to bridge the ability gap;
and the reason why this is important is:
due to story developments a time skip is pointless, whilst naruto trains his enemies (2 of whom have the sharingan and the other has a doujutsu most of which is still an unknown ability wise) will also be training.
timeskip is pointless because:
naruto training during timeskip does not mean others will sit idle and wait for him. and KB training just isnt enough against a bloodline.
also we still have no idea how much of a power up sasuke has got from his new sharingan.
IF the ninja villages started a war of attrition against the AK that might give enough time for naruto to train. as the war will keep the AK preoccupied, however AK being the uber enemies of the manga i am sure they will still have come up with some new jutsus, but the war might slow them down enough to allow naruto to bridge the gap and come back stronger. i'd prefer seeing something like this then an instant power up, which seems to be the only alternative besides the time skip. but under the current story developments justifying a time skip is a little difficult (justify in terms of will it actually help naruto?).
i said in an earlier post (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=887256&postcount=22) i really didnt see why it was necessary to write naruto as being so weak in part 2. an example of this is sasuke has been using 2 elemental chakra for at least 3 years naruto is just learning about them. for some ppl who will ask why compare naruto to sasuke? ever since the start of the manga the writer has been comparing naruto to sasuke, he established sasuke as naruto's rival, therefore who better to compare naruto to than sasuke? (we barely know anything about the 4th)
Black/Light
June 15, 2008, 04:09 PM
ok your post goes to show you didn't read my post; although naruto needs to get stronger a time skip wont fix his weaknesses. this is because it didn't work the first time
Im sorry but thats dead wrong. A time jump is a jump in time so that we don't have to spend a year seeing w/e Naruto is doing before he comes back better than before. Like it or not Naruto did grow in the time he was with Jman.
Jman has stated before in part 1 that Naruto should learn to use the 9 tails and thats one area he went into but it got out of hand when Naruto started going 4 tails. Naruto also learned how to break Genjutsu and use KB and KB combos better than before. He also still has the "that jutsu" from before that he has never used in Part 2 which he needs the scroll Toad+KYB to complete.
How I think things will go. . .
With in the next 2-3 chaps Naruto will leave with the Toads to train with them. Than the story will go as is (Sas will go after the 8 tails). After Sas does his thing Kak will have his time some how and the 5th will die in the attack on the leaf (which will be apart of the "Sak grows up" crap). The Leaf is rolaly screwed and Kak becomes the new Kage of whats left (this all happening between now and Dec).
THAN the time jump into Naruto coming back to the leaf and finding out what happened 3-4-5 years afterwards were Kak has been trying to rebuild the leaf as best he could. It's basicaly confirmed that Naruto will be leaving to train very soon. .. I don't think KB training should be enuff to surpass Jman/ MD/ Pain/ with in only a few days/ weeks but maybe it is. . .
Things don't have to "set idle" when Naruto leaves. MD could very well chose to attack when he sees that Naruto can't be fond seeing as Naruto would be with the Toads and things could keep moving on from there.
(PS: Kish sucks at telling time. I still don't know if we are a few days or weeks after the MD-Sas talk. He was pretty tored up in that cave and now he is completely healed were as the leaf is just now getting the news about Jman yet the toads left right aftr the fight. . .)
lexx
June 16, 2008, 05:33 PM
IF a timeskip were going to happen (and it might) it'd probably follow this outline:
Naruto gets spirited away, to frustrate & delay Akatsuki.
-It seems (to be) to be obvious that letting Akatsuki get all the tailed beasts means game over
-Akatsuki took out the most powerful, experienced and skillful opponent standing in its way
-With this in mind, it's time for Konoha to take steps to ensure its continued survival
naru_naru
June 17, 2008, 03:42 AM
@black/light:
i think you missed the most obvious point of my post. a time skip (yes a "jump" in time, yes we don't see what naruto is doing) wont fix the weakness problems naruto has. the reasons as to why i think a time skip wont work? read the post you quoted and if you cant be bothered to read it please don't quote it.
Lelo
June 17, 2008, 03:22 PM
yes, and it should happen in about 40 chapters. Naruto has to get trained by the frogs, its almost inevitible. Now its up to Kishi to make a choice, do a timeskip or just focus on other characters(mainly Sakura, Kakashi and Sasuke) for about 20 or more chapters. Either way is fine with me as long as Naruto grows up and becomes the ultimate shinobi faster
Boagrious
June 25, 2008, 12:26 AM
The time skip is a must now that another GNW is about to begin.
Boagrious
June 25, 2008, 12:47 AM
i think all that can happen without a timeskip.
I agree. I think the only thing that can cause a time skip is the beginning of a new great ninja war.
Black/Light
June 25, 2008, 01:02 AM
@black/light:
i think you missed the most obvious point of my post. a time skip (yes a "jump" in time, yes we don't see what naruto is doing) wont fix the weakness problems naruto has. the reasons as to why i think a time skip wont work? read the post you quoted and if you cant be bothered to read it please don't quote it.
Oh I read it, I simply don't agree with it. . .any of it to be correct.
No one said everyone will "sit around/ wait" and that didn't happen before. Everyone did their own thing in those years so IDK were that comes from. Who are you refering to as "not going to wait for him"? Pain? They will have to wait for him to come back if they want the 9 tails and can't find him but theres nothing saying that they simply wont act if Naruto goes into hiding.
You say he doesn't learn as fast as the rest when he actually learns extreamly fast, much faster than most when he applies himself. You even pointed out examples so IDK what that was for.
Than you say some crap about how KB training can't compare to a blood-line. . .I have no idea where that came from nor how you cam to that thought.
And the thought that a jump in time "just can't" better Naruto's weaker points is simply wrong. He grew up alot over the past time skip so IDK where that comes from.
On topic, I think the time skip is all but here now. All the signs are popping up, Naruto will leave with the toads and train, something bad will happen to the leaf, the 5th will die in Kish's twisted process to make Sak "grow up" and Kak will be the next Kage.
Inorder for Naruto to protect himself from being raped out of the Kyb by Pain, Sas and MD he will have to get to Jman's level and learn Jman's last secret. . . I just don't think thats going to happen over night. Wouldn't even be Naruto world realistic to get at Jman's level over a few weeks/ days.
IMO, the time skip will happen in Dec. The leaf will get screwed over for the remaining 6 months of this year and once they try to rebuild the leaf wth Kak at the helm (with the Ninja world war going on) they will jump 3-4 years and Naruto will have to end the war via ending Pain and MD.
Askia32
June 25, 2008, 02:30 AM
he can go train with the frog while kishi focus on kakashi and sakura.
My thoughts exactly
For the record, if a ninja war did happen, and there was a timeskip to skip most of it, I would be pretty angry.
Boagrious
June 25, 2008, 02:36 AM
My thoughts exactly
For the record, if a ninja war did happen, and there was a timeskip to skip most of it, I would be pretty angry.
Ohh I believe you!, and I agree totally. That's why if Naruto is to train with the frogs it has to be before the ninja war. So that if there is a timeskip we don't miss the war. If there's any.
lazyboyrod
June 25, 2008, 01:57 PM
I think the time skip wont involve the war if there is a time skip, I think it's guna be like, Naruto goes off to train and Sasuke and Hawk look for the Eight tails, then when we resume the war will start.
Boagrious
June 25, 2008, 02:39 PM
I also think it is essential to do a timeskip not only because there's still people that are way stronger than Naruto, but Sasuke is stronger than him right now. Naruto has to move forward and train as fast as he can to get as stronger as he's ever gonna be. The only way to do that is to go with the frogs, and it sounds weird but he should go alone. That would finally mark the growth of Naruto as an individual.
lazyboyrod
June 25, 2008, 07:42 PM
The only way I see that there wont be another time skip, is the simple fact that Kishimoto gave Naruto the power up from Itachi, if not he would need one, he just isnt strong enough.
Black/Light
June 25, 2008, 08:36 PM
The only way I see that there wont be another time skip, is the simple fact that Kishimoto gave Naruto the power up from Itachi, if not he would need one, he just isnt strong enough.
I think that that will come into play at some point. . .but by no means should Naruto get Jman strong via a outside power up from Itachi giving him some kind of "pwn everyone" power.
I personally think that Itach's power thing will some how give Itachi the means to talk to Naruto in the inner side of Naruto's mind (Kyb land).
kkck
June 25, 2008, 09:51 PM
We dont know what the powerup is, we cant just assume that it will make naruto invincible and he will pawn everything with it. Maybe it is a one time thing like amaterasu on sasuke's eye ( i think that it was a one time thing because we saw madara's sharingan eye later on on his conversation and madara didnt burn)..
KnuckleheadedNinja
June 25, 2008, 11:42 PM
I also think it is essential to do a timeskip not only because there's still people that are way stronger than Naruto, but Sasuke is stronger than him right now. Naruto has to move forward and train as fast as he can to get as stronger as he's ever gonna be. The only way to do that is to go with the frogs, and it sounds weird but he should go alone. That would finally mark the growth of Naruto as an individual.
Like i keep saying, he can go train with the frog while kishi focus on kakashi and sakura. There is no need for a timeskip.
Boagrious
June 26, 2008, 12:29 AM
Like i keep saying, he can go train with the frog while kishi focus on kakashi and sakura. There is no need for a timeskip.
Yeah that could be the case. But I wouldn't like to miss the training and everything that Naruto learns. I'm thinking that after Naruto's training is done, that's when the Timeskip should come.
kkck
June 26, 2008, 12:35 AM
Like i keep saying, he can go train with the frog while kishi focus on kakashi and sakura. There is no need for a timeskip.
I dont think kishi would do that because it would be a complete arc or two with no naruto at all.
Even in the most recent arc we got a couple of naruto sights every now and then but going to the point of not showing naruto at all is to much. The only problem of showing naruto while training is that the arc would be like hidan and kakusu arc all over again.
lazyboyrod
June 26, 2008, 12:44 PM
I dont think kishi would do that because it would be a complete arc or two with no naruto at all.
Even in the most recent arc we got a couple of naruto sights every now and then but going to the point of not showing naruto at all is to much. The only problem of showing naruto while training is that the arc would be like hidan and kakusu arc all over again.
I could see Kishi doing that, and anyway who ways we will get no Naruto at all, we might get a couple of screens of his training, but nothing too in depth, because we will be focused on Kakashi and Sakura.
kkck
June 26, 2008, 01:30 PM
Even if there is a training arc, naruto needs a lot of time to increase his speed and strengh. Naruto can use TKB training to learn 1000 ninjutsu in a month but unfortunately he cant use it to increase his speed or strengh.
Forever_Melody
June 26, 2008, 02:33 PM
Well speed is can be attained through other means as well as strength.
Tsunade doesn't possess musuclar physical strength.
Sasuke's speed is achieved through a jutsu(shunshin).
Naruto could work with his KB to learn these techniques to enhance his attributes rather than wearing weights like Lee or Gai do.
BUt it doesn't mean it's not possible. Remember Sasuke attained a physical speed rivaling Lee pre-timeskip in less than a month.
Starzen
June 26, 2008, 02:53 PM
that was all thanks to the sharingan and kakashi explained it, naruto has no sharingan and he does not need physical strength or speed as this will be meaningless against the sharingan, all he needs is counter genjutsu and more ninjutsu, this way he wont be predictable.
Forever_Melody
June 26, 2008, 02:58 PM
that was all thanks to the sharingan and kakashi explained it, naruto has no sharingan and he does not need physical strength or speed as this will be meaningless against the sharingan, all he needs is counter genjutsu and more ninjutsu, this way he wont be predictable.
The sharingan can give you the moves yes, but it can't boost your abilities if your body can't do it. Sasuke's body didn't magically turn faster thanks to Sharingan, he had to train it to turn that way. Sharingan only granted Sasuke sight of the movements he needed to attain that speed(ex: leg movement and such) but the actual power of his muscles to propel him at that speed, the Sharingan can't do anything about it.
Anyways, I agree on your 2nd point though. Naruto needs unpredictability against Sharingan, not textbook fighting.
KnuckleheadedNinja
June 27, 2008, 01:34 AM
I dont think kishi would do that because it would be a complete arc or two with no naruto at all.
Even in the most recent arc we got a couple of naruto sights every now and then but going to the point of not showing naruto at all is to much. The only problem of showing naruto while training is that the arc would be like hidan and kakusu arc all over again.
Kishi already said he isn't going to focus on Naruto this year. He said it going to be Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sakura year.
Starzen
June 27, 2008, 01:42 AM
ninjutsu can be read or copied only if seen and not predicted like taijutsu or countered like genjutsu.
Inkovic
June 27, 2008, 02:08 AM
I hope when Naruto ends and Sasuke dies theres like a 12 year time skip showing Naruto as a teacher, having babies and what-not.
But Pain, Madara and Sasuke must be taken now, no time skip.
Starzen
June 27, 2008, 02:30 AM
as if apart from naruto, any one from konoha stands a chance against them and naruto himself is not even half as strong as they are. Regarding the kids they better be hinatas kids and finally naruto will never let sasuke die.
Inkovic
June 27, 2008, 02:36 AM
as if apart from naruto, any one from konoha stands a chance against them and naruto himself is not even half as strong as they are. Regarding the kids they better be hinatas kids and finally naruto will never let sasuke die.
Sasuke will die the same way as Itachi. Coughing up blood and regretful.
He will die in Naruto's arms whilst he cries in anguish before avenging his death by facing off Nagato in an epic showdown (yes I believe Nagato is the true villain)
KnuckleheadedNinja
June 27, 2008, 02:26 PM
I hope when Naruto ends and Sasuke dies theres like a 12 year time skip showing Naruto as a teacher, having babies and what-not.
But Pain, Madara and Sasuke must be taken now, no time skip.
i don't think Sasuke is going to die. i think Naruto have more chance of dying than Sasuke.
naru_naru
June 28, 2008, 09:07 AM
Oh I read it, I simply don't agree with it. . .any of it to be correct.
No one said everyone will "sit around/ wait" and that didn't happen before. Everyone did their own thing in those years so IDK were that comes from. Who are you refering to as "not going to wait for him"? Pain? They will have to wait for him to come back if they want the 9 tails and can't find him but theres nothing saying that they simply wont act if Naruto goes into hiding.
if they (ie: naruto's enemies) are training and looking for naruto, it doesn't bode well for naruto considering the last time naruto went on a time skip training with one of the strongest ninja in the manga he came back 2.5 years later and realised he is a gimp. so how can the justification of a timeskip be used, especially if naruto goes off and learns the same things as jiraiya.
You say he doesn't learn as fast as the rest when he actually learns extreamly fast, much faster than most when he applies himself. You even pointed out examples so IDK what that was for.
.....i know naruto learns fast, i am pointing out a contradiction, naruto learns fast so why on earth did naruto come back and then proclaim he was too weak, why on earth is naruto learning things he should have during the 1st time skip.
Than you say some crap about how KB training can't compare to a blood-line. . .I have no idea where that came from nor how you cam to that thought.
KB training for a ninja who has been made to look like more of an idiot in part 2 than in part 1. KB training for naruto against a doujutsu that easily defeated jiraiya and a doujutsu even the kyuubi cannot overcome. i think that explains it (i did mention this in the post you quoted, are you sure u bothered to read it?)
And the thought that a jump in time "just can't" better Naruto's weaker points is simply wrong. He grew up alot over the past time skip so IDK where that comes from.
my point wasn't naruto would go on a time skip and come back the same. i am comparing naruto to his enemies and stating that even with a time skip it wont be enough for naruto to beat these enemies. unless the time skip was for a very long time (over 5 years) but i doubt that would happen as AK are after the kyuubi in naruto so even in hiding he will be found. naruto did grow alot when comparing to the naruto of old, but when comparing naruto to his rival and best friend, which the manga did much of, we see naruto is still a far cry from sasuke's level.
On topic, I think the time skip is all but here now. All the signs are popping up, Naruto will leave with the toads and train, something bad will happen to the leaf, the 5th will die in Kish's twisted process to make Sak "grow up" and Kak will be the next Kage.
Inorder for Naruto to protect himself from being raped out of the Kyb by Pain, Sas and MD he will have to get to Jman's level and learn Jman's last secret. . . I just don't think thats going to happen over night. Wouldn't even be Naruto world realistic to get at Jman's level over a few weeks/ days.
IMO, the time skip will happen in Dec. The leaf will get screwed over for the remaining 6 months of this year and once they try to rebuild the leaf wth Kak at the helm (with the Ninja world war going on) they will jump 3-4 years and Naruto will have to end the war via ending Pain and MD.
reading your post i doubt you did read my post, the points you highlighted were concerning why the time skip cannot be justified. rather then explaining how i was wrong and a time skip can be justified you said you didn't agree with the reasons, just because you don't agree does not mean that a time skip is justified.
yes naruto need to become stronger but that doesn't justify a time skip, it justifies naruto requiring more training. to say naruto can go on a time skip and come back strong enough to beat his enemies is doubtful especially when looking at the results of the 1st time skip and comparing those results to naruto's enemies, rivals, and friends (i.e: sasuke, neji, sakura, shikamaru, etc).
the problem with a time skip is how does kishimoto justify it will work when it didn't work the 1st time. if it can be justified then imo there should be a time skip but if it cant then imo there shouldn't be one because it will only damage the integrity of the story.
that said i wonder why naruto was made to seem so weak in part 2 (unlike part 1 where naruto showed he had potential, even oro tired to kill him because of it). much of the sasuke stuff could have been done 2 years into the timeskip allowing 6 months for sasuke to learn what he has and then plot the attack on konoha with AK. at the end of the 2.5 year time skip (2.5 years = 2 years 6 months) naruto returns from the training with jiraiya strong enough to battle his enemies, and then the story could have continued from there (i.e: jiraiya's death and so on). where upon the event that have taken place can continue however we would not be writing these posts as to whether naruto requires another time skip. as what naruto learns, it would be adding on top of what he knows, unlike now where naruto is learning things to replace that which he learned during the time skip (i.e: wind chakra and FRS to replace the dependency on the kyuubi).
on a final note please read others' posts before quoting them as it prevents them from having to repeat themselves, next time i will just quote earlier post links.
KnuckleheadedNinja
June 28, 2008, 11:47 PM
.....i know naruto learns fast, i am pointing out a contradiction, naruto learns fast so why on earth did naruto come back and then proclaim he was too weak, why on earth is naruto learning things he should have during the 1st time skip.
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IMO, i think one of the main reason for the timeskip that time was to make Naruto look weaker compare to Sasuke again(like it was at the begining of part 1). As we saw at the end of Part 1 Naruto was growing faster than Sasuke, so kishi used the timeskip to slow Naruto back down. I know this is quite a crazy theory but i thought i should just throw it out there.
Bones
July 02, 2008, 09:46 AM
IMO this is how it will go down.
During the Kakashi and Sakura arc Naruto will be training and Kishi will let us see clips there and there of him trainging with toads. So in a sense its not a time skip but less exposure of Naruto in the mnaga.
lazyboyrod
July 02, 2008, 11:26 AM
IMO this is how it will go down.
During the Kakashi and Sakura arc Naruto will be training and Kishi will let us see clips there and there of him trainging with toads. So in a sense its not a time skip but less exposure of Naruto in the mnaga.
Yeah thats how I figured it would happen also, so it will be mainly about Kakashi and Sakura but we will still get to see the hero.
KnuckleheadedNinja
July 03, 2008, 12:38 AM
IMO this is how it will go down.
During the Kakashi and Sakura arc Naruto will be training and Kishi will let us see clips there and there of him trainging with toads. So in a sense its not a time skip but less exposure of Naruto in the mnaga.
I agree. Kishi can easily avoid another timeskip by doing that.
Nath Uchiha
July 08, 2008, 06:56 AM
I don't know why some people said that 6 monthes won't be long enough for Narutop to train, as 6 months * 1000 clines is 500 years, and if that isn't enough what is.
Regarding the timeskip wth Jiraiya, J-man didn't have the Kage Bunshin training, and his plan was just to teach Naruto the basics such as countering genjutsu, mastering kyubi, just if he can't do the basics then Naruto cant advance them further with Kage Bunshin training, so really J-man really helped Naruto.
IMO this is how it will go down.
During the Kakashi and Sakura arc Naruto will be training and Kishi will let us see clips there and there of him trainging with toads. So in a sense its not a time skip but less exposure of Naruto in the mnaga.
I agree with this, maybe Naruto goes away for 4-6 monthes, then comes back with Konoha down (not out) fighting with the Sand. During thee monthes the manga would concentrate on Sakura, Kakashi, ect.
Nasuke
July 08, 2008, 11:37 AM
I hope that Kishimoto does not skip time again because then his style becomes predictable and the beauty of Naruto is the unpredictability factor, that no matter how hard, cannot be copied or imitated by anyone.
KnuckleheadedNinja
July 09, 2008, 01:13 AM
I don't know why some people said that 6 monthes won't be long enough for Narutop to train, as 6 months * 1000 clines is 500 years, and if that isn't enough what is.
That the same thing have been trying to tell some people, who seem out of touch with the manga. If Naruto know what to train for, 1 month is good enough. And this can be easily achieve by focusing on Kakashi and Sakura while Naruto just go to train for 1-2months.
neomaster121
July 10, 2008, 12:45 PM
wait whos to say kage bunshin won't help increase narutos strength or speed. Whats up with people continually using opinions as facts?
Well i do think we will see a time skip but for about 3 years as mandra and pein and sasuke ruin the ninja world balance and war breaks loose.
I tihnk that when naruto comes back Konoha will be on the verge of distruction and naruto will come in to help save the new kages life kakashi and sakura
Forever_Melody
July 11, 2008, 11:17 PM
Seems this timeskip might not be a huge one though. 1 week at the less and maybe a few months at most(since I doubt autopsy takes THAT long either) and there's also Pein incoming into Konoha. >_>
Anyways, yeah seems we'll get a small "timeskip" like most predicted. Well a timeskip only for Naruto, we'll still witness what happens during that period in the manga unliek the other timeskip.
Anzu
July 11, 2008, 11:17 PM
no, just no :wall the only timeskip were the 2 1/2 years, another in this moment would be stupid. One week is not a timeskip because we'll see takatsuki vs. hachibi fight, Pein invasion, etc. Maybe for Naruto, but not for the manga.
neomaster121
July 12, 2008, 06:24 AM
naruto fully mastering the hermit mod and senjutsu techniques will be great
all of which needs a time jump
and i've been thinking. If mandara gives sasuke a byuuji then sasuke will also need time to learn all its tricks and powers
this also will be a great time for a time jump
Askia32
July 12, 2008, 11:12 AM
naruto fully mastering the hermit mod and senjutsu techniques will be great
all of which needs a time jump
and i've been thinking. If mandara gives sasuke a byuuji then sasuke will also need time to learn all its tricks and powers
this also will be a great time for a time jump
It could work with a time skip, but it doesn't need a time skip. Another timeskip is probably not going to happen. If there was another timeskip, than kishi would have to showcase the other original genins abilities again. It would take too much time, and slow down the story.
Black/Light
July 12, 2008, 12:04 PM
It could work with a time skip, but it doesn't need a time skip. Another timeskip is probably not going to happen. If there was another timeskip, than kishi would have to showcase the other original genins abilities again. It would take too much time, and slow down the story.
Well, when you look at the 5th's death and the leaf being stumped down by Pain and Sas we could very well be in store for lil snips of the others fighting to protect the leaf for the rest of the year (not that I think thats needed. . .things dont have to play out exactly like before. All that needs to happen is for Naruto to have a reason to be gone for some years).
I think that at this years end the setting will be ripe to enter into the last last phase of the manga Via a time jump into a time where the Leaf truely needs Naruto to come back and set things back on track to prove his worth for being the Kage (I think Kak will be the next Kage and after the time skip will pass that down to Naruto).
Konkun
July 12, 2008, 05:41 PM
If there is a skip it would be about 1 week. If Naruto trains 12 hours a day for 7 days with 2000 clones in the Sage Arts, that would be the equivalent of 19 years of training. Heck, he could even make more than 2000 clones right now which would cut down the training time.
Starzen
July 12, 2008, 06:56 PM
making more clones simply wont work as he will be mentally drained, after all he is still controlling the clones subconsciously. There is no room for a timeskip as the focus is not on naruto but the rest of the characters.
Forever_Melody
July 12, 2008, 07:21 PM
It's not a timeskip by my definition then. For me, a timeskip is a period of time passing without showing it to us readers. For example, we saw nothing of the 2.5 years Naruto went away with Jiraiya, not of Naruto nor anyone else for that matter. THAT for me was a timeskip.
If all that happens is Naruto going off to train while Kishi writes on other characters, then it's simply an attention shift, not a timeskip. Time isn't skipping for us readers, simply the focus is being shifted.
Csdabest
July 12, 2008, 09:43 PM
Yeah i think it will be a time-skip of 2 to 3 years. Making all the characters young adults and highly skilled and to show off their refined skills. And bring some new powerful enemies as subbosses to the big bad asses.
kakashi65
July 14, 2008, 08:48 AM
i dunno if there will be another time-skip but i think the training will be at least 1 month, don´t forget the frog asked tsunade to take naruto with him, i can´t imagine that he would ask it, if he only wants to take naruto for a week or twio
Deviant
July 14, 2008, 08:22 PM
I think so, but not one of huge size. Probably a few weeks of skipness. :D
bigtymer32
July 15, 2008, 02:11 AM
there gonna have to have a time skip.naruto off training,sasuke is after the 8 tails,pein is about to attack,madara is up to something and plus we still have kabuto/orochimaru combo out there.pretty soon a time skip will happen if he dont during narutos training it be after.
weixiaobao
July 16, 2008, 04:56 PM
wow this thread kinda long to read every posts...
anyway i look forward for a time skip that the akatsuki rule the world and naruto and his gang will really be the underdog... kinda like "20th century boys"
KnuckleheadedNinja
July 17, 2008, 11:45 PM
after the recent event that unfolded and is about to happen i think there is 0% chance of a timeskip. There is just way too much going on for a timeskip to be germane.
kaizokumarcee
July 18, 2008, 12:22 AM
Well, based on the events, i think there's no timeskip until the Akatsuki ark end. But I'm hoping there will be one.
naru_naru
July 19, 2008, 06:48 AM
i cant believe people think its reasonable to even suggest naruto will surpass jiraiya in a couple of weeks.
@Askia32 (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/member.php?u=36772)
hmmm i dont know what manga you have been reading but pein killed jiraiya and pein lost only one body considering he has 6 (and some spares in the event of losing some) i'd say that was a easy win for pein. the key to winning a battle between a ninja is the ability to maintain your techniques secrets, hence the devastating advantage of the sharingan. imo for pein to say that of jiraiya was the writer softening the blow. but the fact remains in the world of ninja secrets are what win the battles.
Forever_Melody
July 19, 2008, 07:21 AM
I'd honestly want to see this Sage training in store for Naruto rather than skip it all again like he did his last training with Jiraiya. Seems it'll be somethign new and unconventional so I'd like to see it ^^
Starzen
July 19, 2008, 08:36 AM
not while sasuke and madara are still alive and with pein still deciding when he wants to leave for konoha.
kkck
July 19, 2008, 11:07 AM
Unless frog mountain works like hyperbolic time chamber, naruto needs a timeskip.
Starzen
July 19, 2008, 11:32 AM
the time chamber is his kb training method, so no need for a time skip.
Deviant
July 19, 2008, 09:57 PM
I think Fukasaku will get into details about how naruto's training will work and stuff and then the timeskip will happen. :D
Askia32
July 20, 2008, 11:15 PM
i cant believe people think its reasonable to even suggest naruto will surpass jiraiya in a couple of weeks.
@Askia32 (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/member.php?u=36772)
hmmm i dont know what manga you have been reading but pein killed jiraiya and pein lost only one body considering he has 6 (and some spares in the event of losing some) i'd say that was a easy win for pein. the key to winning a battle between a ninja is the ability to maintain your techniques secrets, hence the devastating advantage of the sharingan. imo for pein to say that of jiraiya was the writer softening the blow. but the fact remains in the world of ninja secrets are what win the battles.
Wrong!
I read a manga called Naruto, thanks for asking.
Basically your saying that Pein completely owned Jiraiya. Re-read the fight. Jiraiya gave one heck of a fight, battling six at once. And actually, Jiraiya killed 3, and two we're revived(What manga are you reading?)
The devastating thing about the Sharingan is not that its a secret , but that it's over powered. Example, Kakashi fought Itachi knowing about MS, and he still got caught.
Secrets use to be what wins battles, now it's all about power.
naru_naru
July 24, 2008, 11:56 PM
Wrong!
I read a manga called Naruto, thanks for asking.
Basically your saying that Pein completely owned Jiraiya. Re-read the fight. Jiraiya gave one heck of a fight, battling six at once. And actually, Jiraiya killed 3, and two we're revived(What manga are you reading?)
The devastating thing about the Sharingan is not that its a secret , but that it's over powered. Example, Kakashi fought Itachi knowing about MS, and he still got caught.
Secrets use to be what wins battles, now it's all about power.
it wasnt 6 against 1 it was 6 against 3 (jiraiya and the 2 frogs) and jiraiya to his credit killed not 3 but 4, 3 revived but he killed a 4th and sealed it in the frog. imo jiraiya should haven't died its a cheap way for giving hype to pein, especially when he killed one of my faveourite characters.
anyway imo the writer was showing that death to peins sub-bodies is pointless and peins weakness is the secret to his technique therefore killing some of his bodies is pointless especially when he actually has more than 6 bodies at his disposal. however the secret = weakness rule can be applied to almost any technique, for example the rasengan's weakness is the poor delivery method, or the fact that the striking arc is too great leaving super-fast ninja the opportunity the counter attack and physically prevent the technique from connecting. in this respect it makes the sharingan devastating, because the sharingan shows the components of a technique; and to a skilled ninja that is all the info they need to find the weaknesses of that technique.
your last point about how secrets were important earlier in the manga but now it has been superseded by power, imo you are wrong. look at any fight in the manga the victor has been the one to hide the most about himself, whether it is through being underestimated or the other person (so they dont find out much about the opponent) or the opponent finding out more than the other (eg: sharingan users can get info on techniques and fighting styles and use this against their opponent). this is why i said peins statement was pointing out the obvious.
neomaster121
July 25, 2008, 03:00 AM
Man i don't think there will be a time jump and naruto could use a small number of clones to avoid himself being turned into a frog
if hes smart enough to remember
i think after naruto complete the first stage of senjutsu training sasuke beating pein i think we will get a time skip of a year
tsunade sending a dieing message to pa telling him not to let naruto leave until he has no more to teach naruto
Starzen
July 25, 2008, 03:31 AM
why will sasuke fight pein. whats your reason for a one year time skip, do you seriously think that naruto will agree with that and most importantly konoha can last that long.
Askia32
July 25, 2008, 03:37 AM
it wasnt 6 against 1 it was 6 against 3 (jiraiya and the 2 frogs) and jiraiya to his credit killed not 3 but 4, 3 revived but he killed a 4th and sealed it in the frog. imo jiraiya should haven't died its a cheap way for giving hype to pein, especially when he killed one of my faveourite characters.
Re-read my post. Never said 6 on 1, I said he fought 6 at ONCE
anyway imo the writer was showing that death to peins sub-bodies is pointless and peins weakness is the secret to his technique therefore killing some of his bodies is pointless especially when he actually has more than 6 bodies at his disposal. however the secret = weakness rule can be applied to almost any technique, for example the rasengan's weakness is the poor delivery method, or the fact that the striking arc is too great leaving super-fast ninja the opportunity the counter attack and physically prevent the technique from connecting. in this respect it makes the sharingan devastating, because the sharingan shows the components of a technique; and to a skilled ninja that is all the info they need to find the weaknesses of that technique.
your last point about how secrets were important earlier in the manga but now it has been superseded by power, imo you are wrong. look at any fight in the manga the victor has been the one to hide the most about himself, whether it is through being underestimated or the other person (so they dont find out much about the opponent) or the opponent finding out more than the other (eg: sharingan users can get info on techniques and fighting styles and use this against their opponent). this is why i said peins statement was pointing out the obvious.
Keeping secrets in battle and underestimating someone in battle are completely different. Being underestimated is not hiding yourself. The only reason your saying I'm wrong is because you want to argue against me. So you say a statement in which you already know is not true, but your trying to make it true by adding the underestimating part. Secret does not = weakness. Another example of you making up stuff to prove a point. There is a difference between keeping secrets in battle, like Pein did, and going on announcing your abilities, or what attacks your planning to use. Jiraiya was asking Pein questions the whole fight, either asking who Pein was, or trying to figure out where Nagato and Yahiko are, or what happened to them. Even through all the questioning, Pein would not tell him any useful information. Now that's keepin a secret. For these reasons, I'm not even going to name all the fights that we're obviously just a clash of power.
KnuckleheadedNinja
July 25, 2008, 03:28 PM
Unless frog mountain works like hyperbolic time chamber, naruto needs a timeskip.
He can use KB, that is his hyperbolic time chamber.
Black/Light
July 26, 2008, 12:26 AM
Unless frog mountain works like hyperbolic time chamber, naruto needs a timeskip.
For the first time. . . I think I agree with you.
naru_naru
July 26, 2008, 06:55 AM
Keeping secrets in battle and underestimating someone in battle are completely different. Being underestimated is not hiding yourself. The only reason your saying I'm wrong is because you want to argue against me. So you say a statement in which you already know is not true, but your trying to make it true by adding the underestimating part. Secret does not = weakness. Another example of you making up stuff to prove a point. There is a difference between keeping secrets in battle, like Pein did, and going on announcing your abilities, or what attacks your planning to use. Jiraiya was asking Pein questions the whole fight, either asking who Pein was, or trying to figure out where Nagato and Yahiko are, or what happened to them. Even through all the questioning, Pein would not tell him any useful information. Now that's keepin a secret. For these reasons, I'm not even going to name all the fights that we're obviously just a clash of power.
lol if you dont agree with me its fine but i am not posting just to "argue" with you....i'm posting because i think you are wrong.
"There is a difference between keeping secrets in battle, like Pein did, and going on announcing your abilities, or what attacks your planning to use
when did i say anything about announcing secrets in battles???? i was saying secrets are what win battles and if others work out the secrets behind your techniques they get the upper hand. hence the reason why ninja what to know about clan techniques or bloodline techniques as investigating them may lead to figuring out a counter, like gai's technique to fight sharingan users whilst looking at their feet was developed by realising that the sharingan can be inhibited considerably by not looking at them.
kakazu underestimated naruto and got owned because he didn't bother to figure out naruto's weaknesses and strengths. what makes kakazu assume naruto can't think of strategies if he can perform a jutsu he himself said was monstrous? (in the battle kakazu only assumes he has to keep an eye on the real one.....they are KB they are all identical :blink). because kakazu underestimated naruto he got owned, because diedara assumed naruto couldnt hit him he got hit, because kabuto underestimated naruto he got hit by the rasengan. none of these ppl bothered to figure out what were narutos strengths and weaknesses what were the secrets behind narutos techniques, etc.
when jiraiya saw the black fire from the amaretsu (sp) he immediately sealed it for information gathering of future use. secrets are what win battles, when the fighters don't bother to figure out weaknesses of other ppl it turns into power battles, however within these power battles we still see the one who gathers information on the other enemy he wins. for example in the naruto and sasuke fight (valley of end) sasuke notices that he can predict naruto's movements by examining naruto's muscle movements with his sharingan. the garaa and naruto fight, gamabunta notices the weakness to garaa's technique, which is what leads to naruto's victory.
hence for pein to say if jiraiya knew the secrets to his abilities he would have won, is obvious and goes without saying.
this is just my opinion, true to many ppl it may seem like crap and to others they might agree; but its still just my opinion. i refer to the manga to support my opinions as these opinions were built from reading the manga. i don't agree with other ppl out there but i still respect their opinions, the same goes to your views on this. but just because you think your opinion is correct doesn't automatically make you correct and other opinions wrong. i'm not petty enough to waste my time just to "argue" with someone who is a stranger, i write my posts because i respect your post and i feel i should reply to it.
dragon2021
August 14, 2008, 02:45 PM
I think there will be a time skip, but not soon. What first made me think this was Kybuto/ Orch. when I first brought this up many said that he was going to be one of the tails. I could not argue with that, but now we know he is not and does not look like he fits in the story anywhere. Moreover, there is also that looming threat that has been mentioned by Jiryiah and Tsunada "Donzoh". We might fit in this story with Madara, but not yet it seems. Madara may have used the relationship with Pein to get his hands on the Kubeis and Akatuskies just being the first step in his plans. There is just too many enemies that we have not seens fight and I have a feeling more that we will see fight in the future. Moreover, the statement made by Jiryiah that Naruto was not ready, but Kakshi was, is a major sugestion that there will be a time skip. If he does become Hokage there will be a timeskip becuase it just would not look good to go from one Hokage to another so soon. There looks like there will be a civil war, Kybuto, and the question of what Madara will do if Pein dies. things will change in Rain. However, if there is a timeskip it will not be about gaining more power, but about Naruto solidifiing that his status as Hokage. This Manga is about him geting to that next level, the next could be about him passing it.
kkck
August 14, 2008, 04:04 PM
I think a timeskip would be apropiate because we would get to see the characters in their childhood, teens, and adulthood.
The Adamant Dragon
August 14, 2008, 10:02 PM
There's no escaping it. At a point or another there'll be one. Kishimoto follows the DBZ Model... and The story start with a young boy that we must see grow into a strong and respectable person. Unless we want to spend 20 years of our lives seeing him grow inch by inch... there will be a timeskip. For me there's probably 2 timeskip left until the manga ends. the first part was telling the story of his childhood, the 2nd is talking about his adolescence, the third will be in his debut as an adult and some new challenges and 4th and final timeskip will probably be in his late 20 When the story ends.
I Believe that this manga will last a long time, just like One-Piece and DBZ. Not Because I Want to, but 'cause He said in an interview that he plans to make his manga even longer than Drangon-Ball-Z. And personally I Think it's a good thing. We haven't seen Uzumaki's true foes yet. let me explain :
Akatsiki is set up for him to succeed were his ancestors couldn't <--- The 1st didn't successfully kill Madara and now he's a threat to Konoha yet Again <--- The jutsus the forth wasn't able to complete <--- Jiraya didn't Manage to kill Pain... what I'm getting at is, Just like Goku killed Freeza, wich no Sayan was able to accomplish befor him, Goku defeated the past, the man who killed his father and Planet. After that, we got into more exiting adventures, that dealth with the present and was implying Goku directly, Rather than a distant Past-Foe who didn't seem to go Down. But of course Naruto's Story is Hugely different from DBZ <-- Plot wise. But the lengh and purpose are closely the same. Since Kishimoto follow Akira Toriyama's footsteps, I Strongly beleive that after the Akatsuki-Era is done for, We'll have more exiting story from kishi. After Naruto Gets rid of Pein and Madara, He would solve problems from the past and get the answers he needs to continue his struggle to be the strongest Hokage ever, wich will lead to more exiting adventures.
A timeskip is unavoidable... its helps the story to achieve its course and purpose. Would you imagine Kishimoto showing us naruto training for 2 and an half year? that would be insane... Some people would've stopped reading the manga for sure.
fox26
August 17, 2008, 11:41 PM
There's no escaping it. At a point or another there'll be one. Kishimoto follows the DBZ Model... and The story start with a young boy that we must see grow into a strong and respectable. Unless we want to spent 20 years of our lives seeing him grow inch by inch... there will be a timeskip. For me there's probably 2 timeskip left until the manga ends. the first part was telling the story of his childhood, the 2nd is talking about his adolescence, the third will be in his debut as an adult and some new challenges and 4th and final timeskip will probably be in his let 20 When the story ends.
I Believe the this manga will last a long time, just like One-Piece and DBZ. Not Because I Want to, but 'cause He said in an interview that he plans to make his manga even longer than Drangon-Ball-Z. And personally I Think it's a good thing. We haven't seen Uzumaki's true foes yet. let me explain :
Akatsiki is set up for him to succeed were his ancestors couldn't <--- The 1st didn't successfully kill Madara and now he's a threat to Konoha yet Again <--- The jutsus the forth wasn't able to complete <--- Jiraya didn't Manage to kill Pain... what I'm getting at is, Just like Goku killed Freeza, wich no Sayan was able to accomplish befor him, Goku defeated the past, the man who killed his father and Planet. After that, we got into more exiting adventures, that dealth with the present and was implying Goku directly, Rather than a distant Past-Foe who didn't seem to go Down. But of course Naruto's Story is Hugely different from DBZ <-- Plot wise. But the lengh and purpose are closely the same. Since Kishimoto follow Akira Toriyama's footsteps, I Strongly beleive that after the Akatsuki-Era is done for, We'll have more exiting story from kishi. After Naruto Gets rid of Pein and Madara, He would solve problems from the past and get the answers he needs to continue his struggle to be the strongest Hokage ever, wich will lead to more exiting adventures.
A timeskip is unavoidable... its helps the story to achieve it course and purpose. Would you imagine Kishimoto showing us naruto training for 2 and an half year? that would be insane... Some people would've stopped reading the manga for sure.
Completely Agree with you cause Naruto still has many things to learn for example,The Key,Mastering
Senjutsu,Full Control over his fuuton,a new element maybe few techniques of jman and Minato,His Heritage,new element(probably water) and inventing his own unique style which i predict it to be something like the combination of jman and Minato's style.
And to do all of these things we will definitely need 1 or 2 timeskips....(Just like Adamant Dragon said i see 2 time skips happening)in the first one we will see a new naruto who is more like his father and the end of akutski and the 2nd one we will see him struggle with his new enemies and i would love see our hero in anbu it would be really cool...and Finally Hokage!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iwashi
November 13, 2008, 11:16 AM
I was talking to a friend about this and I think that is possible that there could be another time skip coming our way. At the moment Pain is completley ruining Konoha and with the backing of ROOT and most likely the two elders/advisors , Danzou is very likely to become the next Hokage. Once all of the things with Sasuke, Killerbee etc are finished it would be a nice way to end this current part of the story and would open up a window of opporunity to another timeskip where we could see a heavily militarized rebuild of Konoha under Danzou's rule. I think it's very possible. What do you think? :D
Asusp3v4x
November 13, 2008, 03:30 PM
yup I see that too... i think the time skip will happen in 2 years...
although i think it will be a small time skip, not like the 2 years and 6 months ...
i think it will be maybe a few months skip...
anyway a timeskip is surely call for after danzou take over konoha
fox26
November 13, 2008, 10:10 PM
Yup Completely agree with u.
Im thinking like 2.5 year where is uber badass.
Shaunlim
November 14, 2008, 12:40 AM
Yup. I agree as well. Though it's probably a month or two. I don't really see the time skip to be too long if it really happens.
DarkManSharingan32
November 14, 2008, 09:39 AM
I agree, there is going to be a definite 1 or 2 more TimeSkips before Naruto is all wrapped up.
The next one shouldn't be too long and will probably have to do with Danzou coming to power after the fall of Akatsuki.
6 months to a year for this one... then another 2-4 year one when Naruto and the others are the Upperclassmen so to speak.
kkck
November 14, 2008, 11:50 AM
I think there will be a timeskip, I dont see naruto ending before at least 550 chapters.
SharinganItachi
November 15, 2008, 11:58 PM
Yes, I think that there will be an other Timeskip Naruto will keep training in Mount Myouboku and Kakashi during that time will defeat Pein.
AkatsukiNoTobi
November 16, 2008, 01:29 AM
I'd like another timeskip. Didn't Kishimoto say that there were going to be 3 stories to Naruto and we're currently in story number 2? Or is my mind making this up? ._.
Anyways, Naruto needs another timeskip.
Baron Hugenstein
November 18, 2008, 09:24 PM
I agree that there will be a timeskip soon, but currently it is too early for one, not until Naruto see what has happened to Konoha..
Jammin
November 27, 2008, 07:50 PM
I don't think there will be another time skip. Except maybe when the time comes for the epilogue.
Naruto has everything he needs to combat akatsuki, he isn't going to go mess around with training for several more years. I don't see any reason for him to wait at this point. If he is already strong enough, which i think he is, waiting would not benefit him in the slightest.
zagorka
November 29, 2008, 05:35 AM
Yes, a time-skip will be needed. Naruto has no jutsu's in his arsenal. Having a variety of jutsu's are crucial to a fight. He doesn't know many period. I can't say he has mastered wind yet, and he needs to learn another element. There is so much that he can do to improve over a time-skip. He is not ready at all to face Akatsuki. Granted that he will put up a good fight, lets say against Pain, but I doubt he will win against all of Akatsuki. Especially against Madara. There is so much going on in the story-line, that I think that if one or two members of Akatsuki die off, then we will see Akatsuki regroup and this will be perfect timing for a time-skip. I also want to see a young adult Naruto, around 18-20 years old. Right now he still looks too young, short, unexperienced, etc. A time-skip is not only for the purpose of him training and getting stronger, but to have the sense that an older, mature Naruto will somehow change the world. For him to change the world and put an end to Akatsuki at his age is so incredibly stupid... Remember itt is the story of his life. To only show him at the ages of 13-16 is quite lame in my opinion. I want to see him in action when he is older. DBZ did this, which made me love the show so much. It showed the growth of many characters. Plus I'm looking forward to a ninja war. Hopefully one will start soon. I just hope that Akatsuki will receive another blow to their organization to which they will have to change their plans. Hopefully when this happens it will create the perfect timing for a time-skip. I also need to see Naruto in a different set of clothes. His clothing is pissing me off...
I'm not saying that a time-skip should happen right away, but I think in the next 30-60 chapters, it will be nice. Right now the 8-Tails host is off somewhere, and probably won't be found. If Akatsuki fails in getting Naruto now, and if perhaps Pain is defeated soon, then it will create the perfect grounds for a time-skip. Also if you think of the success this show is having over other manga's, I doubt the saga will end anytime soon. Why would they throw all this success away, just to end it around the 500th chapter. Plus that interview people are referring to, come on... Is there any proof that that interview is legit? I've looked at it myself, and it doesn't seem like it is. We're heading towards the end of the year and half of the things he has said have not come to pass. And the interview is incredibly vague. No interview is like that... Let's take the contents of that interview with a grain of salt. And if it is real, Kishi and his team have obviously changed their minds about some things that are going on in the story-line. I wouldn't trust it, being that its too old of an interview.
Raizen
December 01, 2008, 05:51 PM
Naruto doesn't need a time skip, just a hyperbolic time chamber LOL
but on a serious note, if there is a timeskip, it will be after danzou takes over and the leaf shinobis are made enemies and has to plan a revolt. Probably a skip of 1 or 2 years.
But really naruto is strong enough as he is. He doesn't need any more powers, just practive. Actually he has everything he ever needs rright now
kai-uchiha
December 02, 2008, 12:00 PM
i also believe a timeskip will come. and perhaps even more since kishi said he wanted naruto to continue even longer than DBZ did.
but if you look at things its almost certain, let me explain:
the final goal of naruto is for him to become the hokage.
to become hokage he needs to achieve/do some things.
first of all becoming chunin
second jounin
than of course a couple of years in ANBU
getting and commanding his own platoon
and than i believe he can become hokage
this cannot be done without timeskpis, infact it would take about two or three atleast if you ask me.
also ever since i began watching/ reading naruto i had a feeling that he'll be the ninth hokage.
because he's the ninetails jinchuriki and then becoming the ninth hokage well you get the picture!!
and so my guess is were going to see a lot of other hokage to.
besides i think i am gonna be hooked to this series as long as it keeps running. i don't care if i'm 25 or 30 years or whatever i will see the end of the serie. same goes for my friends.
and kishi i'm sure realizes this too, so he knows he can take as long as he wants to tell the story the way he wants to.
actually i believe that the series will even continue after naruto's become hokage, because even then there will be problems and challenges he must face. maybe it's just more of a wish but for all of this to happen he'll definetly have to put a few timeskips in it.
:amuse to the people from holland: deze anime zal waarschijnlijk altijd in mijn eeuwige top 3 serie's blijven!!!
kkck
December 02, 2008, 12:52 PM
Naruto has already lasted longer than dbz though. Also, I dont believe naruto will continue after he becomes hokage. As we have seen before the hokage is the leader and protector of the village, unfortunately those who carry the title focus more on leading than fighting. Once naruto becomes hokage he will rarely go to the battlefield and fight, instead he will stay behind and lead the rest of the ninjas.
Baron Hugenstein
December 05, 2008, 10:37 PM
^ well, it would depend on how things go:
If the Village system breaks down during war, and another similar village system is built in the mean time, then Naruto could very well be Hokage and last a long time airing or viewing.
Because if the war is still there, Naruto has to work and end it as quickly as possible, to avoid the unnecessary losses.
Munboy
December 07, 2008, 11:24 AM
I'm sure there was an interview where Kishimoto called Part II the second half of Naruto when someone asked him about another time skip.
Raizen
December 09, 2008, 02:16 PM
The only timeskip i see is for kakashi and his followers to plan a coup-de-tat in order to fight back against hanzou if he becomes leader. Howerver, he will not be named hokage and thus will not hold that title in history. Maybe a coup is exactly what is needed
Zarion
December 10, 2008, 03:06 PM
At the very end I think there will be one last time skip. Showing how time has passed and Naruto is now the Hokage and him holding an unknown child with ...... by his side.
Try filling in the blanks.
Raizen
December 10, 2008, 03:36 PM
At the very end I think there will be one last time skip. Showing how time has passed and Naruto is now the Hokage and him holding an unknown child with ...... by his side.
Try filling in the blanks.
Nice. I could see that happening. The baby will show to the readers who naruto chose as his wife. Pink hair or byakugan??
Askia32
December 11, 2008, 01:31 AM
Nice. I could see that happening. The baby will show to the readers who naruto chose as his wife. Pink hair or byakugan??
or the girl in purple:p
I see a time skip happening if a new villain/s are revealed.
Other than that, the only time-skip I see, like Jammin said, is for an epilogue.
adel123456789
December 11, 2008, 06:53 AM
does anybody think they need a new time skip now
patedecarne
December 11, 2008, 07:02 AM
does anybody think they need a new time skip now
NO, not it all, IMO
I think a timeskip only would be suitable after Akatsuki's destruction, including Pain, Madara, etc; Between the first time skip, Akatsuki wasn't that active, and probably the jinchuurikis weren't captured; ONly in the beginning of part 2 Akatsuki has begun with its activities and moves, and right now, they won't stop until they capture Naruto; so a timeskip right now is out of question;
If things keep this way, the world's gonna be destroyed in this quest for Naruto, and we must deal with Akatsuki, Sasuke, the kage's summit before a new time skip. I'd say Narutoverse would be prepared for a new time skip only when the peaceful times come, and I can assure you, such times are far away from our hands...
neomaster121
December 11, 2008, 07:09 AM
NO, not it all, IMO
I think a timeskip only would be suitable after Akatsuki's destruction, including Pain, Madara, etc; Between the first time skip, Akatsuki wasn't that active, and probably the jinchuurikis weren't captured; ONly in the beginning of part 2 Akatsuki has begun with its activities and moves, and right now, they won't stop until they capture Naruto; so a timeskip right now is out of question;
If things keep this way, the world's gonna be destroyed in this quest for Naruto, and we must deal with Akatsuki, Sasuke, the kage's summit before a new time skip. I'd say Narutoverse would be prepared for a new time skip only when the peaceful times come, and I can assure you, such times are far away from our hands...
a time skip can be used to allow a war to happen
after the summit war is waged and a skip cna be placed there
or maybe after sasuke makes his move and another sasuke vs naruto battl
a few years skip and the war is still raging thats when naruto comes back to complete his destiny and change the world forever
Baron Hugenstein
December 13, 2008, 10:03 PM
Nice. I could see that happening. The baby will show to the readers who naruto chose as his wife. Pink hair or byakugan??
Who said there has to be only one kid?
I say he would have 2 kids, one with white eyes and one with pink hair.
I think there will be a small timeskip after Naruto beats Pain.
SMN
December 13, 2008, 11:06 PM
i think there may be a time skip after the kage meeting and the pain puppets getting beat. but the real pain will still be alive for a while. i think naruto is going to talk to the elder frog and he will tell him to travel the world like jiriaya did to start his path as the destined child and start making a name for himself. he will travel for a couple of years and maybe learn about his heritage before he leaves from tsunade, and he starts in the old whirlpool village or whatever it is called know. and he finds about his mother and her techniques and also tries to master the kyuubi with the scroll frog. it won't be another series but it will be like when goku left at 15 to train with kami and he then came back at 18 to fight in the tournament. i see naruto doing something like this to find about himself and grow up and gain experience. imo
LiL_JiRiyAya
December 14, 2008, 12:06 AM
Who said there has to be only one kid?
I say he would have 2 kids, one with white eyes and one with pink hair.
I think there will be a small timeskip after Naruto beats Pain.
ok so naruto is a pimp ass hokage. i think in the end hinata will be with naruto and sakura will be with sasuke after naruto tans his hini he'll except naruto as an equal and finally forget his past a move towards a new goal rebirthing his clan that is gonna take forever good luck sasuke. hinata and naruto create a whole new blood line.
SMN
December 14, 2008, 12:34 AM
ok so naruto is a pimp ass hokage. i think in the end hinata will be with naruto and sakura will be with sasuke after naruto tans his hini he'll except naruto as an equal and finally forget his past a move towards a new goal rebirthing his clan that is gonna take forever good luck sasuke. hinata and naruto create a whole new blood line.
doubt it naruto has no feelings for hinata and this is shonen if there is a relationship the guys choose not the girl. naruto has feelings for sakura and unless he forgets about her and magically falls in love with hinata out of nowhere it ain't happening.also not to mention she is a background character with no importance to the plot. and he does not even talk to her or spends time with her. it is like saying naruto will end up with karin. and sasuke does not like sakura and she seems to have gotten over him. so it most likely be sakura.
Raizen
December 14, 2008, 11:10 PM
Who said there has to be only one kid?
I say he would have 2 kids, one with white eyes and one with pink hair.
I think there will be a small timeskip after Naruto beats Pain.
Naruto knocked them both up LOL
But right now a timeskip is not necessary
genkizen
December 21, 2008, 03:18 AM
I am leaning towards Danzou's coup forcing alot of Konoha to go rogue, including kakashi and naruto, or something of that nature. After that, certain things will occur, I still think Naruto is going to meet Kirabi and help him control the Kyubi and I don't think Naruto will take out Pein/Nagato, but he will remain a menace. After some more development I can see a timeskip happening.
arannar
December 26, 2008, 01:50 PM
I am leaning towards Danzou's coup forcing alot of Konoha to go rogue, including kakashi and naruto, or something of that nature. After that, certain things will occur, I still think Naruto is going to meet Kirabi and help him control the Kyubi and I don't think Naruto will take out Pein/Nagato, but he will remain a menace. After some more development I can see a timeskip happening.
But if Naruto learns to control nature chakra while moving, it would make his chanses to take out pein a lot better. And i hope he does, because after all, it is a shonen manga ^^
juUnior
August 30, 2009, 06:26 PM
Personally I would love to see another TS, but.. but from, I think, objective point of view it's rather not possible at this point; actually manga will wrap up with everything with the end of part 2. Besides Kishi-sama at volume 47 stated that his in his finishing plot<?>, so.. yeah. Besides I think that at the end Kishi may have give us some TS, but only to show how characters made their future or sth like that <if he will not do an "open ended" ending ^^>
THM Nindo
August 30, 2009, 09:03 PM
I really like the idea of a timeskip, and I hope it would be shortly after the Kage meeting, either because of a war, or because Naruto flee the village so that he's not used as a weapon to fight Akatsuki.
I'd like it to happen, but the plot is already progressing, and Madara just said "Let's begin the plan", so I don't see why we would have a timeskip right now...
If there's one, I predict that it will be after chapter 482 and that we will see Minato Gaiden before getting to Naruto something-else.
That would be nice, no?
1-238 - Naruto (238 chapters)
239-244 - Kakashi Gaiden (6 chapters)
245-482 - Naruto Shippuden (238 chapters)
482-487 - Minato Gaiden (6 chapters)
488+ - Naruto "something-else"
That would be neat!! :tem
kkck
August 30, 2009, 11:43 PM
You know, before jiraiya died, he never had any idea of fighting a full scale war. All he cared about was getting his friend back. Then pein came along and sorta made naruto understand that war is way more terrible than he ever imagined. Not only that but also the conversation with minata made naruto understand how deep the whole thing was. Naruto has taken his whole messiah complex fairly well and recently has started preaching to the world that war is a bad thing.
Now, the whole "naruto will stop wars" thing was an interesting development for the story but I do feel it was forcefully included and to some extent random. The way I see it, naruto knows war is bad and he knows the pain of losing people close to him. Yet, he has yet to experience a war. For the plot to actually make sense, IMO naruto needs to face a full scale war and be an important part in it. During the war naruto could gain prestige in the ninja world and get an understanding of what he is constantly preaching against recently. Getting to be known would avoid situations such as the one involving the raikage where naruto was blatantly and not so kindly ignored and morally bitch slap. It would also be awesome to see naruto fighting a war sasuke started. In any case IMHO the most ideal development the manga could have would be a timeskip were naruto really participates in what goes on out there.
jdw
August 31, 2009, 12:02 AM
I think there will be a timeskip. The reason is simple: I think we are meant to see Naruto in action as a shinobi in his early 20's. It would be so awesome to see him as an adult like Minato was in Kakashi Gaiden.
kkck
August 31, 2009, 12:16 AM
I don't think we will get to see naruto as an adult in his early 20s... for one thing, the manga would technically not be shounen anymore lol. It'd be better if we get another 2-3 year timeskip and see naruto as a 17-18 year old...
jdw
August 31, 2009, 12:27 AM
I don't think we will get to see naruto as an adult in his early 20s... for one thing, the manga would technically not be shounen anymore lol. It'd be better if we get another 2-3 year timeskip and see naruto as a 17-18 year old...
I thought the shounen designation was for the age/sex of the target audience, not the maximum age of the lead character? Rurouni Kenshin was Shounen and he was like 28 at some point, no? I am unsure. If you are right I stand corrected.
Smokes
August 31, 2009, 12:34 AM
I thought the shounen designation was for the age/sex of the target audience, not the maximum age of the lead character? Rurouni Kenshin was Shounen and he was like 28 at some point, no? I am unsure. If you are right I stand corrected.
No, you're right. GTO was shounen and I think the protagonist was 22 when the story started.
And since I'm butting in, I'd love to see some sort of prologue with Naruto at any age. 'cause honestly, the way things are going,I believe he will control that fox only one time for the very last major battle and then he'll die and be named hokage posthumously.
So it would be a treat to see the guy I started reading the manga for being cool all on his own and not spend all his time searching for sasuke, promising to bring sasuke back, wondering aloud at night what Sasuke's thinking, groveling at the feet of strangers to forgive Sasuke, and taking beat downs to quell the anger of people who want to kill Sasuke. If I can get just a little bit of story about Naruto, I won't feel so bait and switched.
benelori
August 31, 2009, 09:06 AM
I think it will be... it will show the world after current events...characters, maybe even one mission, like the last chapters of death note where N is shown kicking ass again
Arctigor
September 05, 2009, 07:07 AM
IMO it won't be a timeskip, at least not before naruto defeats madara. Maybe will be a timeskip and we'll see naruto as the 7th or 8th hokage.
Baron Hugenstein
September 05, 2009, 11:08 AM
As things are going in the manga, a Timeskip will be only a waste of time. Both main characters are almost at the same level and the table is set for their next fight.
THM Nindo
September 05, 2009, 11:14 AM
As things are going in the manga, a Timeskip will be only a waste of time. Both main characters are almost at the same level and the table is set for their next fight.
Well... IF there's a timeskip, it will be after the next Sasuke vs Naruto fight...
And... I'm sorry, but for the plot to go on... Naruto can't win...
Or, if he win, he will let Sasuke go, or Sasuke will be saved (by Madara?)
And then, wars trigger and the village that are already pissed to Konoha (because of Danzou being a fucking traitor) could be even more pissed that the Jinchurikii of Konoha let an Akatsuki go free.
Then, it's the war and we get a timeskip...
During that time Sasuke get EMS and trains...
Naruto trains on his own too... (or maybe with Kirabi to learn how to control the beast...)
To be honest... the only reason why I REALLY want a timeskip is for Naruto and Sakura to change their outfit...
I hate their outfit right now... :eyeroll
I can't wait to see them wear something else... :tem
Baron Hugenstein
September 05, 2009, 11:23 AM
Well... IF there's a timeskip, it will be after the next Sasuke vs Naruto fight...
And... I'm sorry, but for the plot to go on... Naruto can't win...
Or, if he win, he will let Sasuke go, or Sasuke will be saved (by Madara?)
And then, wars trigger and the village that are already pissed to Konoha (because of Danzou being a fucking traitor) could be even more pissed that the Jinchurikii of Konoha let an Akatsuki go free.
Then, it's the war and we get a timeskip...
During that time Sasuke get EMS and trains...
Naruto trains on his own too... (or maybe with Kirabi to learn how to control the beast...)
To be honest... the only reason why I REALLY want a timeskip is for Naruto and Sakura to change their outfit...
I hate their outfit right now... :eyeroll
I can't wait to see them wear something else... :tem
That would probably be the case if the timeskip really happens.
Although I think it won't:
Sasuke can train on his EMS like he is training on his MS, and Naruto already trained for SageMode during the manga, so him controlling the Kyuubi can be done without a timeskip.
As for the war, well Naruto has to leave his naive old self, and mature more :o , and it would more realistic if we saw how it happen rather than wait for some flashbacks. And the same goes for Sasuke:)
But I agree, they have to change their outfits, Naruto at least:)
benelori
September 05, 2009, 03:39 PM
That would probably be the case if the timeskip really happens.
Although I think it won't:
Sasuke can train on his EMS like he is training on his MS, and Naruto already trained for SageMode during the manga, so him controlling the Kyuubi can be done without a timeskip.
As for the war, well Naruto has to leave his naive old self, and mature more :o , and it would more realistic if we saw how it happen rather than wait for some flashbacks. And the same goes for Sasuke:)
But I agree, they have to change their outfits, Naruto at least:)
I agree, the events that triggered naruto's growing up, were very important, so further events that will develop his view of the world and will help him making his plan of rescue will be very important. Also tobi said the time for hiding is over, so everything from now one is crucial
I think I said this already on this thread, that there will be a timeskip IMO, after naruto will reach a kageship or at least a position that will influence the shinobi world, so we could see what the world became under naruto's great vision
The Closet Pervert
September 06, 2009, 11:26 AM
I hope and pray that there will be a timeskip. Narutoworld really needs a war, and if a war really is to be a real one, it has to last years. This time would be the most perfect one for a timeskip. Kishi then could return to the deciding moments of the war.
But there is only one reason why I wholeheartedly believe there will be a timeskip: Naruto is still too childish to become the revolutionary he is destined to become. We need another timeskip before he can do that.
Shreds
September 10, 2009, 04:30 PM
I think that Naruto would get to age of 21 and adopt his father's haircut ,that would be nice of Kishi.
Blanka
September 17, 2009, 10:11 AM
Never ending manga
Once the Akatsuki issue is over, and Danzo is fully entrenched as hokage. Naruto will leave the village as a sage to go on a walkabout like his master to spread peace/goodwill. There is less risk for him and no one can make him stay.
Sasuke will still be a threat, but laying low. All will be jouin.
When Naruto returns some of the rookie 9 will be training genin.
MinatoNamikaze
September 28, 2009, 02:56 AM
Im really hoping for another time skip myself. Even as strong as Naruto has become he still has a long way to go before he can put a stop to Madara. With all of the theories and discussions that are heatedly debated I think another time skip is a good way to introduce new jutsus and change characters appearances and relationship status.
I think there is evidence to conclude a time skip is on the way. It was around epiodes 130 or 140 when the LONG fillers hit in part 1. Its almost to that point now but I believe that the fillers will come in after Konoha has been rebuilt and Danzo and Sasuke have been care of.
When it comes to normal fillers I sense they are coming very soon because the anime is rapidly catching up the manga.
zagorka
October 01, 2009, 01:55 AM
Im really hoping for another time skip myself. Even as strong as Naruto has become he still has a long way to go before he can put a stop to Madara.Not really. If Naruto can learn and master sage mode in less than a week, his next power-up (be it the Kyuubi or something else) should also take less time than this. And if Naruto has his allies helping him out, and this may include Sasuke, then the demise of Madara should come about quite quickly.
another time skip is a good way to introduce new jutsus and change characters appearances and relationship status.This is highly unlikely. A look into the future once the manga is about finished, can solve character appearances and relationship status' once and for all.
The way I see it, is that the remaining Akatsuki members will die like the Sound 4 died, giving the chance to see others in battle. If you noticed a few chapters back, it sounded as if the Konoha 11 were ready to take care of business. And if Naruto uses his magical character changing technique on Sasuke, he can ally with him to defeat Madara.
The issues with Danzo and Kabuto can be dealt with swiftly. I can think of a million ways for these matters to be solved within 10 or so chapters.
And lastly is the debate about how Naruto will instill peace. This can be done when the world unites to defeat Madara. And something simple can come about from this one battle. The Kage allying with each other to not allow for another case like Madara to ever occur again. Simple as that. Oh and Naruto can return back to Konoha and be announced as the new Hokage.
Timeskip? No need for it. If there is one, it will only ruin the manga. Just a quick look into the future. Like show what Naruto and co are doing after 3-5 years. For instance they can show Sakura as head medical ninja of the world, in a few panels. Things like that.
Weapon_X
October 03, 2009, 08:31 AM
I really want another timeskip. In my opinion, I'd say the last arc of Part 2 is a 4th Ninja war where Danzou comes out victorious and turns out to be a ruthless dictator(he loves his old ways), he has Konoha in the palm of his hands apart from Naruto. Naruto leaves Konoha(how cool would it be if he became a missing-nin?In a good way I mean) and goes to train with Bee(it would be preety cool if Bee turns out to be his teacher). 2-3 years of training(Kyuubi control, element stuff etc)...he comes back all badass and with a new outfit(the cloak man, the cloak!)
And regarding other people between those 2-3 years, Madara trains Sasuke(duh:p) The Genin 12 have all formed an alliance like the Dumbledore's army(lol) with Sakura as the leader(she is a main character) etc.
It would be preety badass.
And the first arc of Part 3 should be Naruto and Bee travelling, Zetsu seperates Naruto from Bee and Zetsu's mission is to capture Bee, Bee get's captured and dies with Naruto being all left alone. How epic shit. Akatsuki would have 8 Bijus with only Naruto remaining. LOL
THM Nindo
October 17, 2009, 08:16 AM
Okay, so now that we know about the 4th great ninja war...
Is a timeskip required?!
I mean, seriously, a war cannot be over in a few months, and Naruto is a very slow pace manga.
I also doubt that we will see all the war (with every Bijuu fighting, etc, etc), because that would mean that Kishi wants to continue Naruto for another 3-4 years, and I honestly doubt that.
So, the question is : Will there be a timeskip to jump right in the middle of the war?
And if there's one, where will it start, and for how long?
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I say, let's get a timeskip!
Honestly, I want to see a more mature Naruto, one that experienced war and that know how bad it is.
That will only strenghten is beliefs that peace must be obtain.
And that will help him understand his enemy better (those that want peace at any cost like Pain and Madara).
And I would like to see him in a war mission (kinda like Kakashi Gaiden) alongside with Sakura.
... And, Naruto need a new outfit!!!! :mad
chess4
October 17, 2009, 09:32 AM
Okay, so now that we know about the 4th great ninja war...
Is a timeskip required?!
I mean, seriously, a war cannot be over in a few months, and Naruto is a very slow pace manga.
I also doubt that we will see all the war (with every Bijuu fighting, etc, etc), because that would mean that Kishi wants to continue Naruto for another 3-4 years, and I honestly doubt that.
So, the question is : Will there be a timeskip to jump right in the middle of the war?
And if there's one, where will it start, and for how long?
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I say, let's get a timeskip!
Honestly, I want to see a more mature Naruto, one that experienced war and that know how bad it is.
That will only strenghten is beliefs that peace must be obtain.
And that will help him understand his enemy better (those that want peace at any cost like Pain and Madara).
And I would like to see him in a war mission (kinda like Kakashi Gaiden) alongside with Sakura.
... And, Naruto need a new outfit!!!! :mad
i think we will get a timeskip because i cant see a bunch of 16 year olds carrying the torch for the leaf village.
i think a lot will happen before the war actually starts.
CBlitz
October 17, 2009, 10:51 AM
Honestly I don't think so, in a way Part 3 has begun because of the War. It signifies the beginning of the end
jdw
October 17, 2009, 11:12 AM
Honestly I don't think so, in a way Part 3 has begun because of the War. It signifies the beginning of the end
You think Naruto is ready to bring some peace to the shinobi world or bea hokage, etc., at his current age? Do you think he may not accomplish these things?
I cannot see the series without another timeskip, imo. Naruto just isn't ready.
CBlitz
October 17, 2009, 11:17 AM
well I don't think Naruto will become Hokage...(at least not for long). Besides you don't need a timeskip for characters to mature, they seem to be doing that fine by themselves. Yeah honestly I don't think he'll accomplish his tasks, not in the way I imagine him to
Jspot
October 17, 2009, 11:26 AM
The coming of age that Naruto is progressing through right now is very important for us as an audience to see happen. If we had a timeskip every time Naruto needed to become more mature, then what the hell would be the point of reading this manga? Character development is one of the most important, if not the most important aspect of a good story.
If you want to skip ahead, then stop reading the manga for a few months and come back when Naruto is matured. The rest of us will enjoy it how it was meant to be told.
jdw
October 17, 2009, 11:36 AM
The coming of age that Naruto is progressing through right now is very important for us as an audience to see happen. If we had a timeskip every time Naruto needed to become more mature, then what the hell would be the point of reading this manga? Character development is one of the most important, if not the most important aspect of a good story.
If you want to skip ahead, then stop reading the manga for a few months and come back when Naruto is matured. The rest of us will enjoy it how it was meant to be told.
Of course he is presently maturing, but it is just my thought about it in the proper thread. inviting people to stop reading because the envision the future differently from you isn't terribly mature.
Askia32
October 17, 2009, 12:33 PM
I think a time-skip is inevitable, even if it doesn't come till the end of the manga. If Naruto doesn't back-out of being the Hokage when its finally his time, I see him delegating a lot of responsibility.
Him doing this will happen after he matures mentally, and in a political sense.
kkck
October 17, 2009, 02:52 PM
Okay, so now that we know about the 4th great ninja war...
Is a timeskip required?!
I mean, seriously, a war cannot be over in a few months, and Naruto is a very slow pace manga.
I also doubt that we will see all the war (with every Bijuu fighting, etc, etc), because that would mean that Kishi wants to continue Naruto for another 3-4 years, and I honestly doubt that.
So, the question is : Will there be a timeskip to jump right in the middle of the war?
And if there's one, where will it start, and for how long?
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I say, let's get a timeskip!
Honestly, I want to see a more mature Naruto, one that experienced war and that know how bad it is.
That will only strenghten is beliefs that peace must be obtain.
And that will help him understand his enemy better (those that want peace at any cost like Pain and Madara).
And I would like to see him in a war mission (kinda like Kakashi Gaiden) alongside with Sakura.
... And, Naruto need a new outfit!!!! :mad
Normally I would think a timeskip is a nessecity during a war but given the circumstances laid out by good old madara I am starting to have my doubts. This war is going to be basically the 6 nations against 7 biju, a few akatsuki members and whatever lackeys they have scattered around. There are a few millions of shinobi in one of the parties but the other one is going to have extremely limited numbers(yet overpowered tanks lol). given that, I really cannot see this lasting a long period of time.
I could see a timeskip after the war though(kishi would have to lay out an entire new plot though).
AkatsukiNoTobi
October 17, 2009, 04:25 PM
There are a few millions of shinobi in one of the parties
I wouldn't put them at a few million. I'd say more like a few thousand. That's still a lot, but far less than a million. Let's say each village has about 5,000 shinobi, and the Land of Iron has about 2,500 samurai. That's about 22,500 (not counting the Rain Village. We don't know if they're apart of this alliance or not). So 22,500 units against 7 tailed beasts, an ancient legend, a ninja who has power on the level of a tailed beast, Zetsu (the black half, at least), and any renegade missing-nin that the Akatsuki have under their control. So it'll be about ~22,000 to ~1,000, maybe.
Anyways, I can't wait to see how the war fleshes out, and I hope there's a time skip at some point. Or maybe a few smaller time skips in between major conflicts?
niblack89
October 17, 2009, 09:39 PM
I hope so cause I want to see some surprises from Naruto like his buuji training and how long he can maintain sage mode.
THM Nindo
October 18, 2009, 09:43 AM
I know that seeing Naruto maturing is a good thing, but I honestly don't want to go another training arc.
Especially if it's done like the Sage mode training (something that should take years to master, but that magically Naruto gets in a few weeks).
That's why, I prefer to have a little timeskip, Naruto comes back with new power (Kyubbi control, or whatever) and the things that are important to know are shown as flashback.
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And if it is really like some of you are saying (6 country vs 4 guys + Bijuu), this would be over in a month....
And honestly, a war doesn't long only a month...
If that's the case, it would never go through the history as the 4th great ninja war...
Maybe more as the 1st great ninja skirmish... or whatever...
I want to see Naruto and the country in a REAL ninja war.
And to be called war, there must be many casualties on both side, and it needs to long at least, minimum a year...
And seeing how Naruto is a slow pace manga, I doubt that we will go each step of the war.
I think we might have a timeskip (while Naruto trains?) and come back to him later on, hearing about the casualties done by the Bijuu in some countries, or something like that.
That's especially true, if they do take Kirabi and Naruto to somewhere safe.
Being together, they will certainly train together, and Naruto could learn a lot from Kirabi (sword fighting, bijuu control, etc)
zagorka
October 19, 2009, 02:13 AM
Maybe there needs to be a time-skip that is maybe 6 months long. I say this so Naruto can come back having mastered another element, learned other wind tech's, and perhaps a few techniques that can be accompanied in Sennin Mode.
Because I look at it in this way. Naruto doesn't want to kill Sasuke, so using the FRS is out. Any other wind technique is out of the question since he doesn't know any. But he has Sage Mode. Okay this is fine. But other than that, he hasn't really changed since the time-skip. He has knowledge in weapon summoning, which is good if he needs to counteract Sasuke's sword. But the point in my bringing up Sasuke is if Naruto is ever in a battle... He can't just depend on the little he knows already, and it's a bit disappointing and bland at the same time.
I don't care if a 2-3 year time-skip occurs or a shorter one (6-8 months). To master the Kyuubi may just require a new seal, a discussion, or something physically done to Naruto. I don't think training will be required. Naruto already knows how to draw on the Kyuubi's chakra a bit. And there is the possibility of Naruto losing the Kyuubi. So all of this needs to be considered.
ganjabuss
October 19, 2009, 01:53 PM
naruto doesn't need timeskip periods for development....he can convert short periods of training into extended period of training with shadow clones....
give him a week and he'll return with 7000 days worth of training and that's super crazy....so i dont think any time skip is needed for him to be developed or anything....he can go to froggy village for a week and return with a ton of jutsu...same is true if he stays in the village to train with kakashi...if akatsuki needs even a month to prepare[it's likely to be longer, they needed 3 yrs of preparation to be able to extract bijuus. and they are severely short on manpower]...naruto's got time for 30,000 days worth of training...that's 82 yrs of training....
as for naruto controling qb...i think he'll be able to do it once his own chakra pool is big enough...once he can control 4 tails or more...he can retain control until 3 tails now...sage mode has surely expanded his chakra pool...also recent 8 tails transformation has probably pushed it even further...i think a little more training in SM will expand his chakra pool big enough to withstand 4+ tails-qb mode....once he has control in 4 tails he'll be able to combine SM and QB...
and more than anything naruto probably cant control qb properly[like hachibi] until he recieves the frog key...and frog key has no intention of handing whatever minato has left him until naruto can withstand qb in higher tails... so no matter how much he tries to train for qb he cant do it now...
once he returns to village i want to see him straight in training with kakashi or in froggy village...i think akatsuki will need some new recruits and to make some preparations that'll allow them to use the 7 bijuus...i think it'll atleast be 2-3 monthes b4 they begin their assault...that like 250 yrs of training for naruto in KB method...even without control of qb...3 monthes of training will make naruto powerful enough to take on akatsuki single handedly...so dont need any time skip...it's not like we see everyday development in manga....there could still be gaps in manga for several months...without any visible skips...
Askia32
October 19, 2009, 11:36 PM
naruto doesn't need timeskip periods for development....he can convert short periods of training into extended period of training with shadow clones....
give him a week and he'll return with 7000 days worth of training and that's super crazy....so i dont think any time skip is needed for him to be developed or anything....he can go to froggy village for a week and return with a ton of jutsu...same is true if he stays in the village to train with kakashi...if akatsuki needs even a month to prepare[it's likely to be longer, they needed 3 yrs of preparation to be able to extract bijuus. and they are severely short on manpower]...naruto's got time for 30,000 days worth of training...that's 82 yrs of training....
as for naruto controling qb...i think he'll be able to do it once his own chakra pool is big enough...once he can control 4 tails or more...he can retain control until 3 tails now...sage mode has surely expanded his chakra pool...also recent 8 tails transformation has probably pushed it even further...i think a little more training in SM will expand his chakra pool big enough to withstand 4+ tails-qb mode....once he has control in 4 tails he'll be able to combine SM and QB...
and more than anything naruto probably cant control qb properly[like hachibi] until he recieves the frog key...and frog key has no intention of handing whatever minato has left him until naruto can withstand qb in higher tails... so no matter how much he tries to train for qb he cant do it now...
once he returns to village i want to see him straight in training with kakashi or in froggy village...i think akatsuki will need some new recruits and to make some preparations that'll allow them to use the 7 bijuus...i think it'll atleast be 2-3 monthes b4 they begin their assault...that like 250 yrs of training for naruto in KB method...even without control of qb...3 monthes of training will make naruto powerful enough to take on akatsuki single handedly...so dont need any time skip...it's not like we see everyday development in manga....there could still be gaps in manga for several months...without any visible skips...
If he also used his many shadow clones to read many different books, and read many different scrolls to learn more techniques, he would be unstoppable. In battle and out.
Crw85
October 20, 2009, 02:18 AM
I think there should be a time skip, during which it shows the Konoha 11 going on different missions during the war. That way we can get some action while Naruto becomes a total bad ass ninja.
Musashi_Keiji
October 20, 2009, 04:42 AM
A timeskip were the manga is at currently is totally outta the question. Just look at how strong and stupidly powerful Sasuke and Naruto have become already. Plus you can't really skip 2-3years of WAR!
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I JUST checked and saw that this topic was made like 2yrs ago......
welll Unless Kishimoto goes for the Dragonball Z route that skips 3-5years everytime to have some unexplicable appear while everyone chillaxed and got weak. I doubt there will be any time skips. Maybe a final time skip chapter where you Naruto much older as hokage with children and stuff.... but nah.........
Schabrak
October 20, 2009, 02:35 PM
It's not like Yamato is Naruto's personal slave that will watch over him the whole time, while there is a whole village in need of capable Joujin. And his sage mode isn't any good for the kagebunshin training. :) Nobody can keep on training for a whole 24/7 week, not even Naruto. Not "now" anyway, he should just keep on working on perfecting his Sage mode, maybe getting some homage technique to Jirajya.
And with Sakura finally meeting up with him, we have to see their current development now!
PS: I just voted for a 2-3 year skip, just to seem them a little bit older.^^
Masterpice
October 23, 2009, 06:07 PM
I hope there will be a time skip. I want naruto to wear usual jounin suit with his cloak...like Yondaime did. Naruto should also learn hirashin no justsu[this yellow flash] and some fouton techniques not related with rasengan or RS...maybe some new element techniques such as katon. Katon + Futon= a lot of fire.
Askia32
October 23, 2009, 09:39 PM
A timeskip were the manga is at currently is totally outta the question. Just look at how strong and stupidly powerful Sasuke and Naruto have become already. Plus you can't really skip 2-3years of WAR!
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I JUST checked and saw that this topic was made like 2yrs ago......
welll Unless Kishimoto goes for the Dragonball Z route that skips 3-5years everytime to have some unexplicable appear while everyone chillaxed and got weak. I doubt there will be any time skips. Maybe a final time skip chapter where you Naruto much older as hokage with children and stuff.... but nah.........
I dont know about 2-3 years but, war isn't instant, even after declaration. I wouldn't mind a small skip to when things start moving in the war.
Xiraiya
October 24, 2009, 08:56 AM
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if Kishi skips right at the beginning of Sakura's talk with Naruto.
So we have to see what happened later on etc.
jdw
October 24, 2009, 09:46 AM
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if Kishi skips right at the beginning of Sakura's talk with Naruto.
So we have to see what happened later on etc.
It would be terrible. Kishi would have to prepare himself for a lot of festering anger and malice. That would leave the romance stuff unknown and the group decision on Sasuke.
Xiraiya
October 24, 2009, 09:48 AM
It would be terrible. Kishi would have to prepare himself for a lot of festering anger and malice. That would leave the romance stuff unknown and the group decision on Sasuke.
(Why am I not surprised)
It would be funny, because you could see some really shocking stuff.
Like Ino being pregnant to Sai, Sakura living with Naruto (or hinata)
And stuff like that, then flashbacks on how some of these things came about.
Banedor
October 24, 2009, 03:18 PM
I thought Kishimoto said he wasn't going to do another time skip in an interview?
Askia32
December 21, 2009, 02:14 AM
At this point, I'm really hoping there will be another timeskip. Part 3 could be epic where Naruto is way more developed and acting more like a main character.
With the latest interview, I'm thinking the Naruto Sasuke fight could be at the end of part 2, than have another time skip. Than, they could probably have a skirmish to end the manga.
Drmke
December 21, 2009, 10:16 AM
I say no time skip until the very end of series where it will skip into the future for an epilogue....maybe with Naruto finally becoming Hokage. I don't see Kishimoto skipping anymore till then. The only he did it the first time was because nobody wanted to see 2 and a half years of just training.
Gingitsune
December 22, 2009, 07:37 PM
There could be a time skip coming, but I would expect the last fight of part two to be Sasuke vs Sakura/Kakashi instead of Sasuke vs Naruto. Then Kakashi Gaiden with Rin and Kakashi at 16 years old, to mirror Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke's progression.
thefreak
January 28, 2010, 03:03 PM
I really want one. But I dont think there will be.
I really wished that there should be a timeskip after Pain Invasion arc.
All the Ideal Circumstances.
Naruto stronger than sasuke.(that time) So sasuke taking time training with madara.
Hachibi in the wild. Good time to meet naruto.
Pain: Akatsuki's main powerhouse out of the frame. So akatsuki also taking it slow.
Sad it never happened.
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At this point, I'm really hoping there will be another timeskip. Part 3 could be epic where Naruto is way more developed and acting more like a main character.
With the latest interview, I'm thinking the Naruto Sasuke fight could be at the end of part 2, than have another time skip. Than, they could probably have a skirmish to end the manga.
This please!
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Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if Kishi skips right at the beginning of Sakura's talk with Naruto.
So we have to see what happened later on etc.
This could have been epic actually. The biggest cliffhanger ever.
Then the story starts in 2 years future. And during the events of that timeline we get flashbacks what actually happened there and after.
Googlez_kun
January 28, 2010, 03:12 PM
I say no time skip until the very end of series where it will skip into the future for an epilogue....maybe with Naruto finally becoming Hokage. I don't see Kishimoto skipping anymore till then. The only he did it the first time was because nobody wanted to see 2 and a half years of just training.
I wanted:oh
and i don't want anoter time-skip,at least not a big one like 1 year.
khar2
January 28, 2010, 04:34 PM
I really want one. But I dont think there will be.
I really wished that there should be a timeskip after Pain Invasion arc.
All the Ideal Circumstances.
Naruto stronger than sasuke.(that time) So sasuke taking time training with madara.
Hachibi in the wild. Good time to meet naruto.
Pain: Akatsuki's main powerhouse out of the frame. So akatsuki also taking it slow.
Sad it never happened.
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This please!
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This could have been epic actually. The biggest cliffhanger ever.
Then the story starts in 2 years future. And during the events of that timeline we get flashbacks what actually happened there and after.
hehe it looks like you are more of natuto-fan or sasuke-hater then i am sauske-fanboy (little joke:p)
i dont think there will be another time skip, i mean kishi allready upgraded sasuke, 3 more years and he would become beast (i mean if he is unbeatable now then he would be, literally god), also postponing war, alliance, would be stuid, affter all that happened, it wouldnt make sense that everything waits for sasuke and naturo to become better (new hokage, akutski's move, new fights, kage meeting <-you know what i mean)
Delbi
January 28, 2010, 07:25 PM
I feel like a timeskip of another say, two years would work fine. All the Rookies would be 18, so they'd be adults, and we could have people go of and train over the course of the timeskip so they can become more powerful. Naruto might actually succeed and make some good progress this time.
I also think it would be awesome for the first time Naruto is revealed for him to be super badass.
jdw
January 28, 2010, 07:28 PM
I feel like a timeskip of another say, two years would work fine. All the Rookies would be 18, so they'd be adults, and we could have people go of and train over the course of the timeskip so they can become more powerful. Naruto might actually succeed and make some good progress this time.
I also think it would be awesome for the first time Naruto is revealed for him to be super badass.
With a cloak. Coming back from a timeskip without a sage cloak would be unacceptable imo.
Naruto has been getting kicked in the nuts long enough to justify a permanent sage cloak and a wicked level-up.
Delbi
January 28, 2010, 07:47 PM
With a cloak. Coming back from a timeskip without a sage cloak would be unacceptable imo.
Naruto has been getting kicked in the nuts long enough to justify a permanent sage cloak and a wicked level-up.
Yea he needs the cloak back, and he needs to get rid of the damn jumpsuit.
I figure him and Bee going off to train somewhere would be cool, he comes back weilding the Kyuubi and Wind chakra like a badass while also using Sage Mode.
Then, we can later on in the story have him learn Hirashin in front of us so we can learn how it works and whatnot. All of his other training with Bee can be handled in a few flashbacks.
Gats
January 28, 2010, 07:54 PM
I don't see how a world war against Bijuus would last several years while Naruto and KillerBee are training.
Weapon_X
January 28, 2010, 08:01 PM
I think there should be a timeskip before the 4th Ninja war starts. I'd want the Rookies to get stronger, Naruto to train off with Bee, Konoha can get rebuilt and organize themselves with their new Hokage(Kakashi), other villages can start to prepare their strategies against Akatsuki, Madara can recruit more people(possible villains) and get Akatsuki organized, Sasuke can achieve EMS, Madara can train Sasuke further etc...the list can go on.
Everyone would come out fresh and new before the world war. If a world war happens during this timeline, it would be a retarded war lol
Gats
January 28, 2010, 08:09 PM
Everyone would come out fresh and new before the world war. If a world war happens during this timeline, it would be a retarded war lol
Why ?
The villages are not ready yet, if Madara makes his move now it would be good.
Unless he can't use the Bijuus now and that there are specific rules to control these Bijuus with Gedo Mazo. Besides Madara is very old, I don't know if he can wait longer.
Destined_One
January 28, 2010, 08:39 PM
As for a time skip, I'm all for it. The type of development Naruto needs is to huge to show on screen. It would able Kishimoto to skip some of the minor things, like the development of more wind jutsu's, becoming a Jonin and leading squads, making a name for himself through out the Narutoverse, and strengthening ties with Kirabi, who both are going to be kept away from the war as much as possible, so training is indeed possible.
Kaiten
January 29, 2010, 01:54 PM
I have no interest in another time skip. Naruto has gone on long enough already, there has been to much stretching, and I'm not overly fond of 500+ chapter mangas (with a few exceptions). A time skip won't really add anything to the current plo;, it doesn't make sense for Madara to announce he is declaring war then wait a few years while his enemies build their strength. The only purpose a time skip would have is to set up a third - post war - part.
THM Nindo
January 29, 2010, 05:57 PM
A timeskip would make sense right now.
Actually, it would make sense, exactly NOW in the manga.
We need a timeskip right when we see how evil Sasuke has become, and how much Naruto has to do to even think about taking him back.
We need a timeskip right before Naruto comes to the realization that he needs to train, and leave again.
So, after 2 years away, the war is on, Sasuke is still evil (and might have some war evil stuff done), and Naruto could come back to save the day during the war...
Even better, they were talking about reclusing Naruto and Killer B...
Why not having them reclused somewhere where they can train together for 2 years.
Then, maybe, Naruto could come back after that with a somewhat controlled Kuybbi!
That would be the best!! I think...
But, I wouldn't be surprised if we wouldn't get any of it.
Kaiten
January 29, 2010, 06:30 PM
If there were to be a time skip I'd like it after the war. Madara has been defeated, Sasuke is still at large and irredeemably evil. During a two year time skip Konoha rebuilds from the war, Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru are promoted into roles as lieutenants of Rokudaime Kakashi while Sasuke builds an Orochimaru style power base from the shadows.
jdw
January 29, 2010, 06:36 PM
If there were to be a time skip I'd like it after the war. Madara has been defeated, Sasuke is still at large and irredeemably evil. During a two year time skip Konoha rebuilds from the war, Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru are promoted into roles as lieutenants of Rokudaime Kakashi while Sasuke builds an Orochimaru style power base from the shadows.
This could work. I also would not mind a timeskip partially through the war. For instance, if the war was on for around a year in the manga. A timeskip occurs, and picks up a year or so later at the tail end of the war.
Googlez_kun
January 29, 2010, 06:55 PM
If there were to be a time skip I'd like it after the war. Madara has been defeated, Sasuke is still at large and irredeemably evil. During a two year time skip Konoha rebuilds from the war, Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Shikamaru are promoted into roles as lieutenants of Rokudaime Kakashi while Sasuke builds an Orochimaru style power base from the shadows.
Perfect!
Best would be to make Naruto Hokage to make a bigger impact.Another war with Naruto leading Konoha and Sasuke leading his ninja base and in the end they fight each other.I coud see that coming,but the manga will most likely end with the war.
Kaiten
January 29, 2010, 07:46 PM
This could work. I also would not mind a timeskip partially through the war. For instance, if the war was on for around a year in the manga. A timeskip occurs, and picks up a year or so later at the tail end of the war.
If it were a protracted war that would definitely work. Rather than show a years worth of "trench warfare" (or the manga equivalent) their could be a big climactic event then the action skips a year into the future. Hypothetically Madara could be defeated, Sasuke takes over Akatsuki followed by a big cliff hanger. The action then resumes with an 18 year old Sasuke leading Akatsuki and allies against Naruto, Kakashi's top general.
Perfect!
Best would be to make Naruto Hokage to make a bigger impact.Another war with Naruto leading Konoha and Sasuke leading his ninja base and in the end they fight each other.I coud see that coming,but the manga will most likely end with the war.
That would definitely work, except it would rob part III of the big crowning moment: Kakshi is killed by Sasuke, setting up the final confrontation between he and Naruto. After defeating Sasuke the series ends with Naruto being proclaimed seventh hokage! Naruto as hokage would be great to, Kishi would have the opportunity for Naruto to be a great diplomat while Shikamaru develops a brilliant war strategy.
zagorka
January 29, 2010, 07:55 PM
Eh. It's not really perfect. Madara, Kabuto, and Zetsu are the only other people creating conflict in this plot. You take that away, which in reality isn't much (for good reason too: To end the manga in the next few years), and you are left with Sasuke. Then what? It's not nearly enough in my opinion. Unless new villains are introduced, I don't see it. There are many other reasons why it doesn't make sense. I used to have high hopes, but the way the plot is right now, theres no need for it. This war, from the looks of it seems like it's going to be quite lame. Madara hasn't even begun an assault yet, nor is he showing any preparations to do so.
Kaiten
January 29, 2010, 08:01 PM
Another time skip is fun to contemplate. Not that it will happen, but there is a lot of room to discuss the possibilities. Creating Sasuke - henchman wouldn't be much of a challenge for Kishi. Not that that would be great for the series, but the possibilities are fun to talk about ;)
Newkerzy
January 29, 2010, 09:11 PM
Even better, they were talking about reclusing Naruto and Killer B...
Why not having them reclused somewhere where they can train together for 2 years.
Then, maybe, Naruto could come back after that with a somewhat controlled Kuybbi!
That place would be MT. Myobokuzan, considering that place is sacred to the frogs no outsiders will be allowed to enter (except contractors). The only problem would be KB not having a contract.... but for this occasion for the sake of the world, they will make an exception..... with the frog bosses & a maximum of 2 bodyguards (Yamato & Kumo-nin) is more than enough to hold off any enemies that comes there....
Googlez_kun
January 29, 2010, 09:13 PM
That place would be MT. Myobokuzan, considering that place is sacred to the frogs no outsiders will be allowed to enter (except contractors). The only problem would be KB not having a contract.... but for this occasion for the sake of the world, they will make an exception..... with the frog bosses & a maximum of 2 bodyguards (Yamato & Kumo-nin) is more than enough to hold off any enemies that comes there....
The problem is that i see Killer B and Naruto destroying the whole mountain while training with their bijuu or while sparring.:sweatdrop
Newkerzy
January 29, 2010, 09:15 PM
Yup... that's what I thought as well.....:p
kkck
January 29, 2010, 09:29 PM
I used to want another timeskip but seeing sasuke now I have my doubts about it. Look at all the insane jutsu sasuke has developed recently. On top of that there are a bunch which are bound to come (EMS, perhaps a final upgrade for susanoo). The idea of sasuke getting more powerful jutsu as a grownup is.... IDK, I just don't see it.
Gats
January 30, 2010, 06:33 AM
Unless some new plot discovery like "Madara has to wait many years in order to do his Bijuus stuff", there won't be any timeskip if the war began before, impossible. The war has to be short, against such beast you have to win or loose quickly, they are too destructive to make a long war.
3c
January 30, 2010, 07:08 AM
I want a timeskip, I really do. But I can't find a way to fit it in. First of all a Bijuu war just can't last long. It's to much destruction and power in motion. Having Bijuus roam around and destroy things for 2 years would make close to no sense. Secondly, Naruto and Bee going off to train for a long time would make no sense either. Naruto is way to stubborn to just sit idle and train for two years while others are dying to keep Akatsuki at bay. Naruto even has more personal matters like Sasuke roaming around to deal with. It's no way his training in exile will last long, a few weeks tops.
So the only option would be for Madara to need a few years to prepare himself for war, which would be insanely ridiculous. "Hai I want war!", "Oh noes we have to rush our defenses!" - Two years later: "Hai there! I'm ready! Here are my Bijuus!", "Lulz finally you come Madara, we have been waiting for you for an awfull long time. We were beginning to think you wouldn't show." It would be absurd if Madara needed such a long time to prepare.
The other only option would be for the timeskip to happen mid-war and basically jump from A to D, basically leaving B-C to flashbacks. Though that too would make little sense as I really can't see the war lasting to long. Besides Naruto doesn't need a long timeskip to come out badass. Look how much a week(?) of Sage training did to him, he was completely awesome for a short while. The only problem I have is that Naruto needs to grow the hell up, and for that to happen some more years need to pass. And without a timeskip that won't happen. And I can honestly say that imagining a 16-year old Naruto change the world is something I fail to see happening.
Shisu
January 30, 2010, 08:03 AM
There has to be a timeskip. l would love if Naruto goes on a journey like Jiraiya did where he learns more about his element affinity and developes new jutsus by himself.
OR Naruto simply wakes up and miraculously knows a whole bunch of new ass kicking jutsus.
l prefer number two. It could become true next chapter. ;)
Kaiten
January 30, 2010, 10:57 AM
The other only option would be for the timeskip to happen mid-war and basically jump from A to D, basically leaving B-C to flashbacks. Though that too would make little sense as I really can't see the war lasting to long. Besides Naruto doesn't need a long timeskip to come out badass. Look how much a week(?) of Sage training did to him, he was completely awesome for a short while. The only problem I have is that Naruto needs to grow the hell up, and for that to happen some more years need to pass. And without a timeskip that won't happen. And I can honestly say that imagining a 16-year old Naruto change the world is something I fail to see happening.
There could be a Madara phase of the war, with his defeat Sasuke takes over. Sasuke vs. Konoha would be the climax of the series.
CBlitz
January 30, 2010, 11:00 AM
Part 3 has already begun, and I think Naruto is heading towards its penultimate arc. There's no need to drag things out anymore, I think Kishi should just go ahead finish up the manga. But the last chapter will probably take place after a couple years
3c
January 30, 2010, 12:48 PM
There could be a Madara phase of the war, with his defeat Sasuke takes over. Sasuke vs. Konoha would be the climax of the series.
By that you mean a timeskip between Madara's defeat and Sasuke's reign? It could happen I guess. I'm still keeping my hopes up that Madara won't die until close to the very end. I still want a timeskip though, but I'm not sure how it would fit in. I just find the thought of 18+ year olds changing the world far better than 16 year olds. I guess I want to see a more grown up Naruto. Simply seeing a chapter or two of his grown self being Hokage at the end of the series wouldn't be enough for me, but it may be what we'll get. Also I can't picture Naruto becoming Hokage at such a young age even if the villagers already are speaking of the possibility. He just seems to young for me, and immature.
Kaiten
January 30, 2010, 02:28 PM
With no time skip it is possible Naruto is not shown as changing the world. As it stands now I see no reason to believe he will be shown as hokage. More like he will be implied second in line to Kakashi. With a time skip it would be almost inevitable Naruto would succeed as hokage.
Googlez_kun
January 30, 2010, 02:34 PM
With no time skip it is possible Naruto is not shown as changing the world. As it stands now I see no reason to believe he will be shown as hokage. More like he will be implied second in line to Kakashi. With a time skip it would be almost inevitable Naruto would succeed as hokage.
If Kakashi does not die,he will have to chose the next Hokage himself and I think he will most likely take Shikaku or Shikamaru,since he himself knows that Naruto is still too immature and especially because he was his teacher once,he won't just let him take such a high position at such a young age.
It makes sense for me,but i guess Kishimoto will go the way of Naruto being the youngest Hokage who will change the world and stuff at a young age.
jdw
January 30, 2010, 02:36 PM
If Kakashi does not die,he will have to chose the next Hokage himself and I think he will most likely take Shikaku or Shikamaru,since he himself knows that Naruto is still too immature and especially because he was his teacher once,he won't just let him take such a high position at such a young age.
It makes sense for me,but i guess Kishimoto will go the way of Naruto being the youngest Hokage who will change the world and stuff at a young age.
Shikamaru is barely capable of protecting himself, let alone a village. I don't know Shikaku's capabilities, so I wont say anything against him at the moment.
Googlez_kun
January 30, 2010, 02:48 PM
Shikamaru is barely capable of protecting himself, let alone a village. I don't know Shikaku's capabilities, so I wont say anything against him at the moment.
I mentioned Shikamaru,because i think that he could be a great leader,especially because of his intelligence and his calm personality.He could be a great leader in a war against an infiltrating enemy like Orochimaru,eventhough you are right,i doubt he could take someone like Orochimaru ina situation like this,so he would rather be a great Hokage in times of peace imo.
3c
January 30, 2010, 02:54 PM
Shikamaru is more fitting as an advisor or a type of "general" than actual Hokage. Shikamaru can't do shit against real opponents like for example Pain or Sasuke. A Hokage should be able to save and protect his/her people. Gaara is a great example of someone who is able to do this at such a young age. Shikamaru would also be a horrible Hokage because of his lazy attitude. I doubt Kishi would ever make him Hokage. As things are now Naruto will most likely become Hokage during a timeskip or something before the very last chapter(s).
To be honest I wish there would be more timeskips as for some reason I like it better when characters are 18 years old or older. I'm able to take them more seriously then. Though I would take Naruto seriously now if he could just grow up in his head. He was pretty great in the Pain arc, but in the latest arc he's in desperate need of a mental growth session again, and a timeskip is an easy way to handle that, though I doubt it'll happen.
Truefan21
January 31, 2010, 06:29 PM
Hope not, I don't want the fanboy in me to die any further.
THM Nindo
March 08, 2010, 03:51 PM
I think a timeskip is required if Kishi doesn't want his "war" to be a complete joke.
When we follow the manga, it goes to a really slow pace...
You go back 100 chapters, and you'll notice that this was only 2 weeks ago in the story... (this is an example, I didn't really calculated it!!)
So, unless Kishi intends to do 10000 other chapters, and show the whole war in his manga, he has two options :
1st : Timeskip
With a timeskip (let's say a 2 years timeskip again), we will be right in the middle of the war, and the state of the countries will have change.
The war will be a serious thing.
2nd : Short-war AKA skirmish
If he doesn't do a timeskip, that means that he intend to follow Naruto and Sasuke through the entirety of the war...
Which means that the war won't be long... it will most likely lenght a month or two...
THAT IS NOT A WAR!!
When a war only lenght two months, it's called a freaking skirmish...
The so-called 4th great ninja war will be completly ridiculous and that would totally destroy the idea of Naruto experiencing the war (kinda like Kakashi or Minato did)...
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IMO, the only way for Kishi to succeed with the idea of a 4th great ninja war, is to do a timeskip.
Jammin
March 08, 2010, 04:56 PM
I can't really imagine any time skipping happening until the epilogue.:amuse
It would make sense if Naruto was just going to do some semi-monotonous task for a while(like his training for 2 years) or if the plot got stalled(like if Madara couldn't use the Gedo Mazo for a few years), but with things the way they are i just don't see any real opportunity to cut ahead. Naruto's life is only going to get more complicated and interesting as this war, which he is one of the focal points of, draws closer.
As much as i would love to see an older Naruto(hopefully with the wardrobe change that he desperately needs), i just don't see much opportunity for it.:(
Googlez_kun
March 08, 2010, 05:15 PM
I think a timeskip is required if Kishi doesn't want his "war" to be a complete joke.
When we follow the manga, it goes to a really slow pace...
You go back 100 chapters, and you'll notice that this was only 2 weeks ago in the story... (this is an example, I didn't really calculated it!!)
So, unless Kishi intends to do 10000 other chapters, and show the whole war in his manga, he has two options :
1st : Timeskip
With a timeskip (let's say a 2 years timeskip again), we will be right in the middle of the war, and the state of the countries will have change.
The war will be a serious thing.
2nd : Short-war AKA skirmish
If he doesn't do a timeskip, that means that he intend to follow Naruto and Sasuke through the entirety of the war...
Which means that the war won't be long... it will most likely lenght a month or two...
THAT IS NOT A WAR!!
When a war only lenght two months, it's called a freaking skirmish...
The so-called 4th great ninja war will be completly ridiculous and that would totally destroy the idea of Naruto experiencing the war (kinda like Kakashi or Minato did)...
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IMO, the only way for Kishi to succeed with the idea of a 4th great ninja war, is to do a timeskip.
In Bleach,all the actions in the last 200 or so chapters happened in one single day,so yeah^^
But i agree with you,a time-skip is needed,not a long one like the last one,but we definitly need it.
Raizen
March 08, 2010, 05:50 PM
Well the 3rd ninja war lasted years. So i doubt this war will last a couple of days.
But then again, it is teh whole ninja world vs madara and like 2 people. The only way for this war to be good is if madara gets some new shinobi like from the mist, or the grass, etc
Will there be a timeskip? I am hoping yes. When i see the current ninja generation, i just see kids, not adults. Aside from neji and shika and gaara and co. I want them to look like hiruzen in the danzou flashback
niblack89
March 11, 2010, 06:29 PM
I feel after this after this chapter there will be a another time skip. Kakashi and Sakura both feat helpless this chapter. Sakura was useless kept getting saved, and Kakashi when Madara and zetsu arrived. I think something will happen and Naruto and Bee will have to stay in the iron country for safety and to train. This chapter feels like the valley of the end.
Naruto part I in the end he made a promise to bring Sasuke back now a new promise will be to fight Sasuke and destroy his hatred.
Lastly I think both Naruto and Sasuke will need more training undoubtedly Sasuke want EMS now also I think Madara wants to keep Sasuke out of the war until he is ready therefore training and prepping him. Madara doesn't want sasuke to fight Naruto until he is at his most strongest so that will take sometime as sasuke is still growing into his powers also Naruto also isn't his ready first the kyuubi is still a handicap and sage mode isn't at its strongest because of the time limit. I don't think Naruto will solve both problem within the limit of the manga unless the to problems cancel each other out.
Fox666
December 17, 2010, 08:27 PM
I was wondering. Currently the manga is very fast paced. A lot of things happen and characters evolved.
So I was wondering, does Kishimoto had the idea of a time-skip, but give up for some reason (I.e. he did not like Naruto's look as a 18 years old) or something of that sort?
I see several things that could have taken time (years) and would have worked for the plot
• Naruto training to control the Kyuubi power
• Sasuke's eyes surgery
• The formation of the Allied Shinobi Forces
• Kabuto arrangement to ressurect all ninjas
• Zetsu's army
• Madara's eye surgery
What do you think?
Zatono
December 17, 2010, 08:33 PM
I can certainly see your point, especially with Kabuto running around gathering the remains of everyone he's resurrected.
Also, Madara implanting the Rinnegan and being able to use it so quickly while Sasuke is still out of commission is annoying in itself.
steelwingcrash1
December 18, 2010, 04:26 AM
I believe this is already a crucial event in the Naruto series. If at this point in the series he would cast another "time skip" that would lengthen the series further, the readers might already lose anticipation and interest in the series.
How would readers feel if the high action of the story will immediately drop unexpectedly?
I think he foresaw those coming; that is why he must have kept the story linear in progress.
mattiaildivino
December 18, 2010, 08:10 AM
good catch man ;)
I thought the same,I didn't understand why the war started so soon. I mean,Tobi said that his left eye was hungry for battle(514),and in the next chapter(515) the war was about to begin.I wasn't ready for the start of the war.Kishi would give up on a time-skip.
Suzaku
December 18, 2010, 11:35 AM
Kishimoto wants to end Naruto so he can work on something new. This has been obvious for quite some time now, and it's well known that his editors are pushing him to drag out the manga more than he wants, like with the members of Team Hawk.
As for these recent developments, it's nothing new. Stuff like that usually happens off camera, otherwise there would be no suspense or surprise when something new finally happens. IE, if Kabuto was running around gathering DNA, it would be no surprise when he used Edo Tensei.
And some of those things would just be boring. Who wants to watch Madara perform surgeries? Or the Shinobi Alliance going through boring politics and forming ranks. Again, that would blow the impact of seeing all the characters in uniform and ready for war the first time.
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