D.Gray-man Volume 17 (Ch. 161-171) Discussion

[ying_su]

IF there were guards at Cross's door how come someone knocked, came in, and supposedly killed him, without them knowing? in the previous chapter..

It seems, it was LEverier who was knoking at the door. Then something happened end the guards fall asleep.
So, he was who tried kill him?? and cross manage to go at time even hurt???
I'm confused.

The chapter is out, at http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/169

[Mystic Moon]

Hmmm... did he jump out the window or get kidnapped? Cuz after the first guy left, and the 2nd opened, he was gone and the bloodied window wuz broken, nd he wuz gone.

And holy crap, Kanda's sword is HUGE like crudshits. And Allen looks so dark nd serious, prob cuz he found out abt the noah and killing thing from Cross. The BO can open the gates now?? O.o wth

[r3born]

From this, I think it was Cross who shoot himself and set up the stage. I know it sound ridiculous and I have no idea why would Cross want to do that at all. But that's way, it would be exciting.

[momo90]

I didn't like this chapter....I was dissappointed..

And where the heck is Lavi and Krory?

I hope in the next chapter they explain what happend to Cross, and Alan's reaction to it!

AND WHERE IS LAVI!!?

[r3born]

Lavi is most likely back to being a true Bookman.

[Digital_Eon]

Levellier was not at the door; one guard screamed and the other thought it meant Levellier had come to yell at them. Obviously, someone got past the guards because they were asleep. *sweatdrop*

They probably only sent Kanda along to fight... Allen is needed for the Ark, and Miranda isn't useful for offense.

[r3born]

For 10 days, I wouldn't call that a time jump...

[Digital_Eon]

It's a timeskip considering we missed some important/interesting events like PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE ORDER.

Actually, I'm starting to suspect that Cross might be dead after all. His mask was left behind (and Judgment). Seems more like his body was dragged away somehow, or... who knows. That thing about never seeing him again, though... I don't think Hoshino would write that if he's going to pop up eventually (alive, at least).

[Mystic Moon]

Not much of a time jump thats for sure. But if Cross DID set up the whole thing, why wud he leave "Judgement" behind. Isnt he gonna need it to defend himself cuz I swear, Maria is just NOT good enuf.

Besides, Lavi and Krory dont havta be in all the missions you know. Plus, is it just me or does Kanda's hair look different??

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/169/10/

[ying_su]

It will be hard to wait...and the cross question is dark... i can be sure what of the theories on the table is the correct one.
I need more info. Leverier was there so..., shut himself is crazy, i don't believe it. More he looked surprised...

Hmmm... did he jump out the window or get kidnapped?
That's the question!!!
I like the chapter and kands looks awesome. Lovely!!

SEE THAT:
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/169/14/
It's there smoke in his eye!!????

[Onomatopoeia]

Yeah their be smoke but it could just be how strong his eye has become.

Does anyone think that the guards were put to sleep somehow. By the intruder? Anyways about Cross what is that Mask on the window seal? Is it that half of the face that he's always protecting?

Howard is a grandmaster chess player thats unexpected.

[InfinityOnTheRun]

Kanda's sword... doesn't look as cool as before.
And Allen looked really angsty/depressed in this chapter. Rather quiet. (Maybe because of Cross's disappearance?)

All in all, a rather uneventful chapter...

[Andzu]

Yup, not much happened in this chapter, but... Kanda *__* Hoshino heard my prayers!

Allen looks ok, when he speaks to Link, but all of the other time he is rather sad... Maybe he learned about Cross.

And Link is smart, eh))

[Digital_Eon]

I thought the smoke was just Allen's eye (partially) activating. There's an akuma right in front of him, after all.

Cross's mask must've fallen off somehow? Seems weird that he'd leave it behind too, if he escaped and wasn't kidnapped/bodysnatched.

[endless_dream]

Hmm, I would more likely prefer the idea that Cross isn't kidnapped because the only possible suspects that would most likely kidnap an injured Cross would be either the Earl or the noah clan...I think a lot has happened during the past ten days, maybe this had put quite a burden on Allen as most of the matters might most likely concern him or the 14th...thus causing him to be not his usual self...*sigh* it's going to be a long wait for the next chapter ;_;

[Fallen.]

After I saw the translation it looks like allen has learned a few things from cross, you can tell when he told the akuma "You shouldn't speak like that to a woman.It's rude".Also it's smoke coming from allen's eye,it makes it seem like the noah is close to reanimating .

[InfinityOnTheRun]

After I saw the translation it looks like allen has learned a few things from cross, you can tell when he told the akuma "You shouldn't speak like that to a woman.It's rude"

Well, he's a lot more composed I'll give you that. :]

But how calm he is... is a bit un-Allen-like and kind of unnerving. :d

[endless_dream]

Maybe what Cross said to Allen about not dying before it's over had somehow hinted to him that Cross is either going to die or disappear again? http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/168/03/

[Inkovic]

Can't wait for a new arc to start

[Saifi]

umm.. the way the body disappeared right after it was discovered tells me (atleast) that the cross and his body hadnt been there for quite a while , i mean the guard didnt hear a window breaking and the assailant obviously wasnt hanging out all that time.

So to me it seems that whoever is cause for cross's disappearance (be it cross or someone other) did want the order to know/see cross ad dead. otherwise its just weird to me that his body was there slumped all this time and only disappeared 'After' it was discovered, someone def planned for it to be found!

[maloose]

About Cross ,I'm not his fan and it's not like I can't handdle his death, but as I said befor it's so unlike him to let himself to be killed this easily. I think he tried to leave the central, after he did what he must do (telling Allen about the 14th). Now there are lots of evidences that Cross is now dead, so he has more time to sort out some works without being chased after.
(the ripped curtain, blood splash, also plan for the guards to see the scene. I can't believe they couldn't make them to be asleep a little more. they all scream 'Someone was murdered here and then his corpse was taken too'. of course Cross had some help too.)

[EL_manana]

This chapter was gorgeous. The best shonen chapter of the week.
First of all the guards did hear the sound of the window breaking down. That is why one of them rushed inside with his gun raised.
From my point of view Cross is dead. I am sure.
"And nobody has ever seen Cross Marian since that day"(Basement scans) I doubt this is just for dramatic effect. It's the truth. Of course unless he is going to be not-Marian the next time we see him. But that IS lame. So I hope not.
I think that the window crushed because of the bullet that killed Cross before. The bullet could have hit the wooden frame and it cracked but it took time for it to crush completely under the dead body's weight.
Damn, that WAS the greatest death in shonen history!!!
The timeskip was unexpected. But I think that's a good turn of events. I don't think there is a big need to show the reaction of other Exorcists and people to the news of Cross Marian death. It is not essential. The important thing is that now everyone in the order knows that Allen is a Noah. So I guess in the next chapter we will see the new headquarters- probably the one that is filled with fear and hatred towards Allen. I don't think the friends are still friends. There was something in that panel- the one where Kanda passed Allen while heading to Miranda and others. Perhaps it is just me, but... it is all not the same as it was.
Kanda is awesome. Link as well. Everyone are. That chess match reminded me of the missions in the very beginning of this manga. The very first Allen's mission and then my favorite Rewinding Town. Such nostalgia. And omg that style...When I've seen that grave and a hand my heart skipped a beat. Awesome.
And Allen with that blood on his face...Will your sole ever find salvation? I'll pray to mangaka.... Can't stand seeing him suffering more and more...
P.S. Soooo.... Is it going to be two-weak break every time after two chapters release? Or am I wrong? (please say I am wrong please please please T__T)

[TheDanishOne]

Well, if cross put all this up by himself to get away from the order, then there's a good reason for him to leave his mask and weapon. 'Cuz it would make it easy to identify him among others?

[3shinkyo3]

I don't think Cross is dead something was just to wrong about it. I believe cross put the guards to sleep with that lady he has (sorry forgot name) then staged the whole thing.

[Onomatopoeia]

THen explain the knocking that Cross heard Shink. Thats something thats near impossible to explain for Pro-Life Crossies.

[BurningDragonFly]

The thing that i think is the most suspicious is the wine glass on the table. Cross was holding that wine glass when the knocking was heard, so why is it placed so neatly on the table, and not shattered on the ground? If someone just came in and killed him, it would be shattered on the ground, if someone that was his friend came in and killed him, there's no reason for him to have returned to that spot he was sitting at after setting the glass down.

Another point is his Hair, as the picture with the mask shows that there was a crack on the top of it and blood on it, but how come his hair doesn't have blood in that same place?

Finally the Mask itself
In this picture it shows Cross:
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/169/03/
And this one shows when the Window was broken and he was gone:
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/169/05/
The Mask was right where Cross was sitting. There's no way for it to have fallen naturally off cross and landed right there.

So i believe Cross faked his death and fled the order. :yaha

[earthforge]

Hiatus? HIATUS?! Nooo! How long, Hoshino?

Maybe Cross was shot from outside the window? When possibly a second shot hit him, he fell out the window. It's hard to theorize at the moment what happened to him, since it looks like no body, but he left Judgement. Faking death, being kidnapped, or just dying are all possiblities.

I missed Kanda. He now has a rope holding up his hair. Mugen looks like a traditional katana, though I preferred the first version because it looked more interesting. Miranda's same as ever. Allen... I'm not sure. I wonder if he prevented his eye from activating and it was just flickering for a moment. And Link is stuck as grand chess master. At least he's useful (though in this post i nearly called him Grand Moff something out of Star Wars.)

I liked this style in the beginning of the manga. I hope Hoshino will also have more detailed settings with Gothic architecture.

[Onomatopoeia]

Actually going on your thing about his mask remember Cross had his hair down and he was hiding the mask. It might have easily been behind it. The Mask could have fallen off before or after he dissapeared. I doubt it's a mistake that Cross had his hair down that far.

Also another question couldn't the mask prove that Cross had been abducted? If someone is rough enough so that they'll tear off a mask it doesn't exactly say they're friendly.

[Fallen.]

Someone tried killing him,there's no doubt about that. But I guess he wasn't fully dead so he fled. I'm still wondering why you guys are saying he faked his death himself if there's like a huge blood splatter in the window and on the floor lol .

[maloose]

becuase the whole scene doesn't make sense. besides if he really had lost that much of blood, how could he possiblly flee?
Why everyone thinks that the person who knocked on the door, was enemy. maybe, just maybe, it was Cross's ally whom had come to help the fake murder, after knocking out the guards.

About Kanda, I'm so glad to see him again :D, but he wasn't like himself, his face I mean. he wasn't handsome, more like a villain :darn
and Mugen... I liked the black Mugen much more~~~ , it was unique :crying

[neomaster121]

becuase the whole scene doesn't make sense. besides if he really had lost that much of blood, how could he possiblly flee?
Why everyone thinks that the person who knocked on the door, was enemy. maybe, just maybe, it was Cross's ally whom had come to help the fake murder, after knocking out the guards.

About Kanda, I'm so glad to see him again :D, but he wasn't like himself, his face I mean. he wasn't handsome, more like a villain :darn
and Mugen... I liked the black Mugen much more~~~ , it was unique :crying

at first i thought it was another person that kanda n that sword... no

allen came it nicely though

n i think cross faked his death

[Koen]

Well I loved this chapter a lot. Why?
1. The guards see cross lieing there, close the door, open it again and cross is gone. So the culprit must have been in that room. So this might have been something he didn't expected. Or it could be something completely different
2. Link was so great. Just playing a chess game. You see allen, kanda and miranda holding off those hollows. Who's link playing against? A chess ghost :D

[De'Letris]

I don't completely believe Cross is dead. And earthforge, I don't think he was shot from the outside or else the body wouldn't have been like that. I think that Cross used his death to leave the order. Not entirely sure. Considering the cracks in the mask, he could've been shot in the forehead but I doubt that that would've produced that much blood. But I'm afraid he is dead because why would he leave judgment behind? And I think what made Allen all sad looking and stuff had to do with Rouvliers decision from chapter 168.
Okay, looking at Kanda's new Mugen it looks bigger and heavier. I think he grew since the last time we saw him, actually I'm pretty sure. His bangs aren't really 'straight cut fringe' anymore. I've been wondering about Allen's hair too. It changes really often if you look at it.
I wonder if Komui changed the appearance of Lavi's weapon like he did with Mugen.
Eww. Haitus.

[endless_dream]

I don't completely believe Cross is dead. And earthforge, I don't think he was shot from the outside or else the body wouldn't have been like that. I think that Cross used his death to leave the order. Not entirely sure. Considering the cracks in the mask, he could've been shot in the forehead but I doubt that that would've produced that much blood. But I'm afraid he is dead because why would he leave judgment behind?

I would believe that he's shot in the chest or the stomach...otherwise he wouldn't lost a lot of blood...and he might left judgement behind to make it look more convincing for black order to think that he is really dead so nobody would go looking for him...


I wonder if Komui changed the appearance of Lavi's weapon like he did with Mugen.

I hope there's a new design for Lavi's weapon but besides a hammer, I can't really imagine how would Lavi's new weapon design look like...maybe a spear?:p

[Zibi234]

Heh maybe Cross know what will happen to him after the talk and so the person that allen will kill when he will turn into 14th will be his master itself :P

Lets say that Cross was kidnapped by Earl/Noah or the other hidden part of the war and turned evil (since inocence the light side was left behind) and so later Allen will meet evil-Cross (maybe in skull form) and so he will have to kill him

From the time of Egg destroying and Cross disapperance the level3 akumas somehow becomed bigger (maybe Cross a magican was turned evil and so now he improves the akumas to be more powerfull XD)

But the most painfull part is that no chapter for next 2weeks !!

[endless_dream]

Hmm...I think that's possible, since the last time when Allen and co. took the akuma plant thing the Earl isn't at all happy about it at all...he'll probably try to get it back from them rather than create a new one...but I don't think it has anything to do with the level 3 akumas in this chapter though...Allen and Kanda had somehow defeated them as if they were just level 2...:p

Anyway, could it be that Maria is still with him? General Cross has two innocence right? Another theory could be that Maria that helped Cross to disappear...

[hopeandlight]

it would be very interesting if Cross was dead
but he's really important so he might not be

maybe Cross left Judgement for Allen
to strengthen him
or in case Allen lost it to the Noah

:darn:darn:darn
I love DGM

[shinobi]

so next chapter the next arc will start, nice, too bad we have to wait for 2 weeks...
good chapter, I'm starting to like link somehow. and kanda looks so cool.
somehow, this (that was the last anyone saw of Cross Marian) sentence made me think that we're gonna see Cross again, I hope.

[InfinityOnTheRun]

Umm... I was thinking about Allen's eye in this chapter. You know, with the smoke? Well, is it possible that it's related to the Noah in him? Because, the eye was all round and circle-y, much like the 14th's. (Allen's mirror shadow thing.)

</randomillogicaltheory>

[Fallen.]

Umm... I was thinking about Allen's eye in this chapter. You know, with the smoke? Well, is it possible that it's related to the Noah in him? Because, the eye was all round and circle-y, much like the 14th's. (Allen's mirror shadow thing.)

</randomillogicaltheory>

that's the same thing I said lol but then again his akuma eye was a circle to begin with lol

[De'Letris]

Okay new theory. From chapter 168 Cross is sitting in the room and then there comes some knocks and he takes up judgement. Then it goes to Allen then back to Cross and he's there 'dead'. But then in the next chapter there are those guards and they're waking up wondering about Rouvelier. So maybe Rouvelier came to see Cross and knocked out the guards thus leading to them sleeping. Rouvelier knocked on the door and either Cross took Judement and shot himself to avoid Rouvelier in which he might've suspected him or Rouvelier shot him before he could do anything. So yes, that is my new theory.
[hr]

I would believe that he's shot in the chest or the stomach...otherwise he wouldn't lost a lot of blood...and he might left judgement behind to make it look more convincing for black order to think that he is really dead so nobody would go looking for him...



I hope there's a new design for Lavi's weapon but besides a hammer, I can't really imagine how would Lavi's new weapon design look like...maybe a spear?:p
Oh god, if Lavi gets something sharp that can grow and stuff, who knows what havoc he'll cause.

[God]

Decent chapter. Nice to see the squad back at the hollows once again.

[InfinityOnTheRun]

Decent chapter. Nice to see the squad back at the hollows once again.

I think you mean Akuma. xDDD

[God]

I think you mean Akuma. xDDD

LOL! yeah...Hollows...Akuma their all demons but with different titles.

[Onomatopoeia]

Thats a great idea for a crossover their ^^

Honestly I hope next chapter we get some moe explanation on whats happened with Cross and how Allen's doing.

[Krisel]

Cross...just wth happened with that noob.And Kanda looks more masculine than before.
Link is such an infiltrated spy.I hate him he is goin to betray em all. ; <

[endless_dream]

I think Link would still help them, he seems to be more friendly to Allen and the others now...rather than interrogating Allen over matters concerning the 14th...Besides that, I wonder how the Earl is going to create a new akuma army? the old egg was destroyed during Lulubell's attack at the order if he's going to create a new egg, wouldn't that take a long time?

[Schwindelmagier]

Who knows. Maybe these Akuma are just some "left-overs".
I really wonder what happened during these ten days. This was really a mean cliffhanger by Hoshino-sensei. I sooooo wanted to see Allen's reaction to Cross' disappearance. I don't think he's dead yet. Maybe it's just a trick to escape from HQ. But then, who was the intruder?

[hatsuharupeace]

No idea at this stage, most people would be thinking Link, but I reckon that there actually was no intruder, and Cross shot himself, for whatever reason, like for example, to escape, like what Schwindelmagier said.

Allen looks sooo different in this chapter, his expression when he is looking at the body of the Akuma looks way mature, and a huge change from his old personality. Maybe a sign of the 14th's influnce on him?

[shinobi]

it has been 10 days since Cross disappearance, I wonder if the other exorcists and the org. people knew about Allen and the 14th relationship and if yes how they react to the news. caz before the general disappearance Malcom said he'll reveal the info. soon.

[Koen]

I wonder if kanda will have some new innocent skills like lenalee has. Is that just the mugen as we know from the beginning up untill now? Anyway I really like that link, even if he's a man of malcolm I am certain he'll have his important roles too

and now counting down after two weeks of chapter silence :D

[earthforge]

I think there's no chapter this week too... Which is a pain in the butt, as I am now having dreams where I see a spoiler in the thread for spoilers and I can't remember it. It's alongside of my dreams with anxieties about my chem grades now.

I think Link will play a major role eventually. I noticed in the Fanbook, Link "joined in the battle to save Allen" (see post #131 on pg. 9 in the Gray Ark thread.)This could imply that he is going to play a larger role. Link also understands Allen partially since he saw him fight for the Black Order when Lulubell came to steal the egg. Although he is a toady to Rouvellier, Link probably does remotely care.

Can't wait till next chapter, this wait is painful.

[Koen]

I just wonder if link is there in case the table turns. So my guess: as long as allen walks the excorsist way everything maye be fine. But it might be malcolm gave link the orders to kill allen as soon as he turns into a noah. Link is strong since he's part of the special unit. But don't forget he's under oders of malcolm and he'll certainly has his reasons given by malcolm to be with allen

[Onomatopoeia]

Hopefully next chapter we'll get a good idea of what the order is like after Cross's death. And how many people blame Allen for Cross's death. It'll be much more hostile then before.

[hopeandlight]

it's a long wait, that's why I'm watching evangelion

what I think:
cross marian is dead
(he was never seen again according to the manga, and I don't think hoshino would lie to us)
but he'll come back in some way or form
I think he could be Allen's cursed eye
there's only two options: Mana or Cross
since Allen and the curse didn't talk to each other there's a possibility...


I'm finally out of my DGM craze, but I welcome a new chapter

Bring it on!!!:darn:darn:darn

[shinobi]

I hope the next chapter is really a good chapter that worth all this waiting. what a pain!
by good I mean:what the hell happened to cross that day, what will happen to Allen and the 14th, what is Malcom up to now, some new Noah's members, Kanda's story and his goals, Earl's new plans, info about the 3rd side of the war...
Q: is there a chapter this week?

[Ju-da-su]

Q: is there a chapter this week?


I'm locking this thread for a while, since DGM will be absent in the next WSJ.
Yes, that means 2 weeks of no DGM (one week on the summer break [18/8] and also the week after that [25/8]).

DGM will return in WSJ #40, which will be out in the Japanese market on 1/9, usual RAW around 29-31/8.

Hope this answers your question . . . ^_^

[ketorin]

i think that cross had left and faked a death soo he could infiltrate the new ark with his other skull thingy and help recover plans and what not so he could help allen secretly or something or he just wants to get out of there cause when allen awakens as the 14th he might kill cross and he doesn't want that so i don't know but i hope this new chapter explains some more stuff ^_^

[ying_su]

Hope this answers your question . . . ^_^

What i don't understand is that: Naruto and DGM are from the same magazine, and naruto is out yet, so, why the raw is so late with DGM???
All that sounds weird....

[Defade]

^Hoshino is taking another week break when Naruto isn't, so add that to the JUMP-less week it's one more week of absence than Naruto.

[The Adamant Dragon]

First time posting here...

A Good chapter overall. I Guess one of the most Troubling Part was Allen's new personality... I Think it all have to do with Cross' "Death" <--- I Don't think he's dead, its possibly just a Ruse to get out of Order's Constant surveillance... and it Might be easier for him to keep an Eye on Allen if Everyone thinks he's dead... Because they didn't allow him any contact with Allen.--- Plus, a Key caracter like him wouldn't die so soon in the manga. It's all in writter's talent to make us wonder What's going to happen and leave us to Wonder... And that's awsom, I'm definitly enjoying reading this Manga.

Anyhow, on another side, what stricked me was this Panel.... <--- Notice Kanda's Reaction after witnessing the new Allen Walker.

http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000005/000071362/15.jpg (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/169/16/)

Knowing this Mangaka's aka Katsura good master of Panels and highly know how to express subtiles fillings through Panels.... I'd say that Kanda More than anyone his the first to Notice that Allen has changed. And this might possibly lead to fight between the two later in Series.

I Can't possibly predict on what's going to happen next... And that's what I like about this manga. Ypou cant possibly know for sure the outcome of a battle/Situation... Looking forward to the next Chapter.

Off Topic: By the way, I couldn't help but notice that they weren't much people Discussing in this thread... This manga is way too Good to be Ignored. I'm a Fan of Naruto and One-Piece... but Plotwise/Drawings, this Manga eats the Cake!

[KaNx]

The chapter is out, get it Here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37925).

Discuss about the chapter and predict what you think will happen next. :amuse

[Onomatopoeia]

Wow all the spoilers were fake!

But did we just get another timeskip, 10 days again??

And Bridget Fay is awesome, she's exactly what Komui needs.

This chapter should also stop a lot of the "OMG Leverrier did it" speeches. Jeez he's the good guy who's willing to do anything to win not planning to kill everybody.

[endless_dream]

But did we just get another timeskip, 10 days again??

Nope, it's on the same timeline as the previous chapter.

This chapter is filled with suspense and a nice bittersweet moment with Johnny and Tapp's sister...it's llike seeing Tapp and Johnny reunite again (before Tapp's sister removed the hat) but towards the end where Leverrier and Allen meet, I have a feeling that the atmosphere during that time is extremely tense...I wonder what Timcampy is doing there though...searching for clues on how Cross died or trying to pass some message to Leverrier?

[Zibi234]

Well the chapter was good and we got a mix of tense&funny moments

Kanda it seams cant forgive Allen beign a noah I mean he needs to be around a future noah and he cant do a thing. Miranda seams more understanding and she somehow knows what Allen might feel and what burden he has on his back (he lives only to fight and when he turns into 14th he needs to be killed so there is not much of a life in there)

And the talk about Allen having 14th noah memories was good made and it looked everyone was in shock and couldnt belive in this... Not mention that Allens words about "please kill me when I turn into 14th" were like stabbing Lenalees heart (we can tell that from her face expresion) she couldnt belive what Allen asked for.

Heh it seams that Kumui will be the other one who will suffer (not only Allen) XD so from now on he wont have so much time for his sister complex since he is beign watched by his assistant ;] (poor kumui while he will stick in mountains of paper someone will stick close to his Lenalee xD )

The last pages were interesting ^^ like Tim is observing Leavier but for what purpose !? is he spying on him and his moves or he is gathering information for Cross who might be alive somewhere, other option is he is watching who is in the rooms to look for the murderer

The last scene was interesing like double edge sword ;] Leavier might suspect Allen for murdering Cross and Allen will suspect Leavier for doing it since he is sitting in the room where he was murdered ^^

hmmm maybe the thing that Cross left in Tim was to watch over Allen by spying on Leavier moves and make Allen escape if there is danger from his side (Cross warned about 3rd war side and Allen should survive till the stage ends so it might be connected to Leavier and Central) hehe Hoshino loves to make interesting clifhangers ;]

[hybrid62]

It would be interesting if Leavier was cross in disguise and Tim just wanted to be be close to him.

[addenza]

>.> That's new... And sounds rather possible too... XD
Too bad for Komui - no more Komurins!! Looks like Link's report got to Central, huh? XD

[The Adamant Dragon]

Nice chapte... Looks like Kanda and Allen might face eachother in a near futur, since the exorsists have received the Order to kill Allen as soon as he transform into the 14th... For me Kanda will be the Only one amoung the other exorsists who'll take his sword to Annahilate Allen.

Croos-kensei probably faked his death so he can keep a better eye on Allen, since Leavier and the Pop Restricted them to have any sort of Contact unless under High surveillance... That way he can Watch over Allen without being questionned. I don't think katsuro would kill such a key Caracter this soon in the manga. Now the question is... -- Who's face is he using to desguise himself ? -- The suspense is killing me.

[EL_manana]

It doesn't seem SOOO bad for Allen...i mean...you know, of course it is hell bad but at least he is not COMPLETELY alone. Sure Hoshino is Allen's torture fan but she also has some kindness for him thank god ^^ And I respect Allen so much!!! His destiny is like one of the most terrifying ones I've ever seen in shounen manga but he..."that won't happen. I will stop him."... he still refuses to give up and struggles. THAT is the real strength and courage. I didn't actually expect him to be that strong. Each time a thought he will become that distanced, cold, broken...but no he stands up. it is painful to think how it is hard for him to keep it inside though...
And OMG page 9 is my favorite DGM page from now on...
All new characters are awesome. I love that new assistant woman. Yeah, right, that is what Komui needs. XDXD Tapp's sister is going to fill Tapp's gap all right just as if nothing happened. And that new scientist...i guess it is a nice key to begin Kanda's life story revelation. ^^ I hope it is going to begin. If the story is somehow related to Noah than it is understandable why it is starting so late in manga... so dramatic. I could see some really hard mental struggle in Kanda's eyes ...where he said he didn't care at all...Perhaps I'm over thinking, but...
AAaaaand...the last page...i don't know. It seems Tim comes there not the first time...and Hitler...well, perhaps Tim wanted them to meet? Naaah, like what for... Maybe Hitler will open a bit of his heart to Allen... like how he isn't that bad as everyone thinks and that it is just his childhood trauma making him act so cold heartedly for the sake of the Order's victory. Haha, yeah, sure...

[Onomatopoeia]

I hope we get more info on Leverrier he's an interesting character. Defintely in the top 5 most layered and loaded characters in D. Gray Man. Does Tim know anything about Leverrier?

[haya5h1]

Hey, I just noticed that Miranda says that she's 26, which means that a year has passed since the beginning of the series - in the Fanbook it says she's 25. And her birthday is January 1, so that means Allen is now "officially" 16 (since even he doesn't sure how old he really is).

[The Adamant Dragon]

I hope we get more info on Leverrier he's an interesting character. Defintely in the top 5 most layered and loaded characters in D. Gray Man. Does Tim know anything about Leverrier?


Well, Its yet to be revealed... That said, I Wouldn't be surprised if he did know something about him. It would seem so far, that Timcampy knows almost everything that's going on Arround Allen.


I'm guessing that Tim will play a major role in the futur... Mostly because of the 14th's Allegation when he Officially showed himself to Allen.
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000005/00000132/02.jpg (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/132/03/)

Not just Allen but Tim too is part of the Musician's legacy. Since He's used to be the 14th's Golem, its safe to presume that he's been arround for a while... a Hundread+ Years. And with his Recording ability there's a bunch of Infos that he possesses about anything he's witnessed. If only Allen knew how important Tim is, and leened toward him for answears, He'll know things he haven't dreamed of... Since he'll Actually See the Answears instead of being told different versions and sides of the story... He'd see the truth by himself. <--- Because Tim Records anything he sees.

And Also, he seems to get Bigger as time flows by... <-- Ever since he's been closer to Allen -- Even Walker himself noticed its Growth. Its almost as if he's evolving...

Bah!! Maybe I'm thinking this too much... but I'm looking forward to further developement about Tim.

[EL_manana]

If only Allen knew how important Tim is, and leened toward him for answears, He'll know things he haven't dreamed of... Since he'll Actually See the Answears instead of being told different versions and sides of the story... He'd see the truth by himself. <--- Because Tim Records anything he sees.
In this chapter Allen said that Tim doesn't open his records for him any more...
But you are so right!!! Tim knows the most, he is everywhere, he is so symbolic, it is just you can't imagine DGM without him and still he is almost unnoticeable during the main action- you only spot him from time to time even though he is always there...
One of the best characters for sure! and I agree- he definitely means smth very important.

[shinobi]

great chapter! I really missed DGM the last few weeks.
poor Miranda!! silly as usual, too bad for her Kanda was in her team. LOL, Kanda's mood is worse than ever! and I actually liked how he (shut up) link:D ,but he's really angry at Allen(more than usual I mean), I think Rouvelier's speech had some bad impact on him. I feel sorry for Komoe, he's struggling to save Allen's life, but I'm counting on Bridge Fay to cheer him up:p
I'm really proud of Allen, he's not giving up and insisting on stopping the 14th if he's attacking the order, I thought we're gonna see a completely destroyed and depressed Allen this week but I was wrong. and he showed courage when he asked the exorcists to kill him.
well, at least we saw Miranda and the scientists treating him friendly, (Miranda and Allen made me think of candy too much these days:darn )
and this guy Didi, he's talking friendly to kanda, I can't wait to see this old Zu, I guess some of kanda's past will finally be revealed(soon I hope), I'd like to see kanda (when he was just a wee thing).
best part was when Didi said ( can you let him do that a little longer?) hahaha

so Rouvelier didn't kill cross after all, he was wondering who did it. and Tim is doing some weird things there, I agree with The adamant Dragon, Tim will have a major role later. he also has the power of the musician.

[Zibi234]

EL_manana <--- where does it say that Tim doenst open records for Allen ?? what I read in the chatper was about Tim not knowing/feeling where Cross is nothing else... ealier Tim took directions to where Cross was (by looking into that direction) and now he doesnt feel anything ^^ Maybe Allen doesnt know that Tim might have such informations and besides Link is allways near him so he cant listen in secret

Tim is getting bigger mostly becouse it a sign of his master being close and so right now Tim's master is Allen so he is big near him.

[ying_su]

Ne, a lot of spoilers fake this time! But better that way.

Finnally, it wasnt leverrier... but, a fake suicide?? no, i think that a little stupid for Cross: if he need go, he goes, anything more is needed, so: THEORY:
Someone in the order is from "the third side" (like an spy) and he/she tried kill cross 'cause he's not needed anymore. (but...who -on earth-? ^^)

To say the truth i don't like either that idea cause i would like to see cross as an important piece in the 14th scenario.


And Bridget Fay is awesome, she's exactly what Komui needs.

Yay!! Jujuju. She looks like that woman in X-Clamp, i don't remember her name...

QUESTION: it wasn't supposed to be only Allen who can use the ark??? how are using it right now???

Ah!! That scene, when Allen stretch Timu, i love it!!!! ^^ Timu is the hero of the series, hahahaha!

[ketorin]

was it just me or did leveirerr (whatever his name is) look kind of sympathetic ot the end or something like that.....i don't know he just didn't look that mean as usual

i can't wait for next week when allen and louvelier talk about what ever they are going to talk about
maybe it's going to be about cross or someting like that

ying_su i think allen programs the ark before they go on missions and he does whatever the order tells him to do with the ark cause only allen rhode and the earl can move so allen has to be the one controlling it just that he is taking orders from the order

[EL_manana]

where does it say that Tim doenst open records for Allen ??
oh, sorry I misunderstood it. But hey, now that I read it again- DOES ALLEN EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO CROSS? I mean, does he even know that Cross is dead? He tells he doesn't know what happened to Cross that rainy night... http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/170/11/

[The Adamant Dragon]

oh, sorry I misunderstood it. But hey, now that I read it again- DOES ALLEN EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO CROSS? I mean, does he even know that Cross is dead? He tells he doesn't know what happened to Cross that rainy night... http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/170/11/


Yeah I noticed too El_manana, it seems the Order don't want him to know about Cross' death for some reason. And moreover, it looks like they Haven't spread the news about his death Neither amoung the other exorsists... because I beleive Cross' death would have created a bigger panic and huge Gasps, wich leads me/us to think that Nobody but Leverier and the witnesses knows about his death yet...

They probably ( Central ) classified it as "Top Secret " Until they get more clues about what happened that night. <--- Plus, Allen wouldn't be looking for Cross if he actually knew he was dead... and plus, they don't have a body to be sure. Only one person saw Cross's dead body ( the first guy who opened the door )... after the whole group came to the crime scene, the body Vanished and the window was broken... Something's off.

But one thing's for sure, when Allen finds out, he'll be devastated and cry his eyes out. I cant wait to see his reaction. He'll probably be mad that they didn't told him about his master's death... Next chapter will be more than interesting. Leverier will probably suspect Allen for the Murder of Cross.

And I want to know what Happened in that 10 days Timeskip. That would clarify the whole thing.

[earthforge]

Leverrier would obviously not be sympathetic. I've read some comments saying that he might tell that he's evil for a reason or that he's sympathetic. He's the last one to be sympathetic to a person he considers a Noah. So the meeting might begin as tense, and possibly end up with Leverrier screaming at Allen for some reason, or just being outright nasty. Putting a Central guy in a room with a Noah is a recipe for disaster. Why? Guy whose obsessed with religion and destroying infidels meets a person who's considered an infidel.

I don't think Allen will cry. He's shown a strong resilience to recent events. He did cry when he found out about the 14th, Mana, and the killing people you love. However, he then resolved he would never let himself become the 14th and would never allow that to affect his drive to destroy akuma. He may be torn up inside, but I don't think that he'll cry this time around.

With Cross, I think he'll think similar to what he thought right before the Suman/Fallen One Arc.

It looks like Timcampy's no longer getting bigger in correlation with how far Cross is, but now how far Allen is. Either that or Cross is somehow stalking Allen using Grave of Maria.

[Onomatopoeia]

A serious debate is still going on about whether Leverrier is the Earl or not I think that speaks more then enough that our little knowledge about Leverrier isn't enough to say whether he does or doesn't feel in someway sorry for Allen. What I do know is that Leverrier let Allen off quite well, it's likely that no one, not even Allen will know when he's been fully taken over by the 14th Noah(Hello Ginny from HP) or it'll just be that strong.

From what we've seen people might also not know about Cross's recent dissapearence/ murder based off of the fact that Allen entered the room so casually and no one seemed worried about Allen and the 14th. I would imagine if the Order knew about Cross it would seem very plausible to the Excorcists that Allen did it, whether they want to admit it or not. This might point to Leverriers further belief that Allen isn't at fault for certain reasons and is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[ying_su]

But hey, now that I read it again- DOES ALLEN EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO CROSS? I mean, does he even know that Cross is dead? He tells he doesn't know what happened to Cross that rainy night...

When i read that sentence i thought, well, allen knows about the cross death, but, it's true, maybe is a top secret and the details aren't public.
If that the case i vote for a mad-worried-allen discovering it next time. Leverrier will need give some explanations! ((And, why the hell are we always saying "cross death"??))
I'm waiting for someone (maybe Allen in next chapter) to have a some kind of normal-reasonable talk with Leverrier. (I thought Cross had a heart and now i think Leverier has a brain...)


ying_su i think allen programs the ark before they go on missions and he does whatever the order tells him to do with the ark cause only allen rhode and the earl can move so allen has to be the one controlling it just that he is taking orders from the order
Yay! Thanks! I forgot that the ark works as a... (don't kill me i was going to say a washing machine) PC!!!

[Digital_Eon]

Allen doesn't seem to know Cross is dead. If he's been trying to find the man using Timcanpy... well, unless Allen thinks Tim can detect a corpse... nope, Allen doesn't seem to know. I can see why; even with the blood and destroyed window, there's no indication that it was Cross's dead body there. Perhaps the official story is just that General Cross is MIA and everyone knows there was some sort of struggle.

Levellier would know, obviously. He might reveal that to Allen in the next chapter. He certainly didn't do it, though, and wasn't involved (although that doesn't rule out Order involvement; I'd be willing to bet that he isn't so high up that he'd know everything). Actually, now I'm really beginning to suspect that it was someone we wouldn't see coming like Komui or Bookman. :p

I think it'd be obvious if/when Allen completely became the 14th. That guy seems to be more interested in killing the Earl than doing anything else; would he be interested in pretending to be Allen (or smart enough to?). And if not, someone (okay, Lenalee) would figure out that he isn't Allen. Unless we get some sort of hybrid or a 14th that takes over when Allen's asleep...

I think we might see Levellier have a calm, logical talk with Allen in the next chapter. Heck, he might even be nice to our Noah hero depending on the circumstances. I think he might start off by asking Allen something like why he's so calm right now (Levellier did hear Allen screaming at Cross ten days earlier), and Allen will probably either affirm his Exorcistness (and gain some sympathy? This was really the first chapter we've seen Levellier NOT act like a villain... or even just being somewhat normal) or be impolite, which might cause the man to rethink his behaviour or explain it somehow. ...And I'm probably wrong, but I think Hoshino needs to/wants to show a different side of him like she's done with the Earl recently. Everyone in DGM (except Allen, apparently =P) is a complex human; it's not just black-and-white good vs. evil. We haven't seen that side of Levellier yet, and this is a perfect opportunity to show that he isn't just some cold-hearted Hitler lookalike who only cares about doing what the Vatican wants.

After all, we just discovered in this chapter that Levellier DIDN'T have anything to do with Cross's murder - a bit of a surprise since it seemed so likely just a few chapters ago (that he ordered Crow or something, not that he necessarily did it himself). That's already a step in that direction.

[Koen]

I really think we should be careful with saying malcolm is not sympathic. I really think he's forced to be like that. Don't forget he has huge responsabilities. I think some background might change it.

Anyway, I really look kinda forward to next chapter. Malcolm and allen haven't had a serious dialogue since they met each other. I really think the end of this chapters open the oppurtinities for allen to ask malcolm about the situation etc

[shinobi]

I think Tim knows something, true he doesn't know where's Cross, but cross did something to Tim before he was attacked, and then Cross warned Allen of the 3rd side of the war. I think Tim is trying to show Allen something in the room that's why he keeps going there. at first I thought he might want him to take judgment that Cross left behind, but I don't think the order will leave such an important thing unguarded or allow anyone to approach it so I don't know, perhaps Cross left Allen a secret message in there that only Tim knows about.

[hopeandlight]

yep
allen's gonna have a nice long talk with levellier
I hope it goes well

Cross is probably dead though
and Tim probably just doesn't want allen to know
as someone previously said, Tim knows a lot
and cross drank something before getting shot that could a potion, maybe has something to do with his disapearance

something else:
cross could be a skull created by the 14th (he not made by the earl according to this http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/01/ )
the mask he wears might be a way to hid his ugly skull face (skull face<---> mask)
they say similar incantation
magic incantation skull in chapter 139 uses to awaken new skulls)
abata ura masarakato on majiba
cross uses this to open Grave of Maria: on abata ura masarakato on gatura


its a good way to explain how an excorsist/scientist got magic, and why he's so young looking since he's got to be really old to know 14th and be able to watch over mana

can't wait for next chapter

[Digital_Eon]

Two things:

First, Cross made that message to Allen at some point BEFORE the meeting - actually, back at the original HQ, I'd say. Timcanpy's been with Allen ever since (he was squished under Johnny while everyone else was asleep). We shouldn't forget that. It's hard to say whether Tim has a message related to that room (why that room, unless Cross had been there before and asked for it?) or perhaps if Tim just missed Cross and wanted to be there again since it's the closest thing to being with his old master.

Second, Cross doesn't necessarily have to be old. For all we know, he could've been a teenager when he knew Mana and the 14th, and/or that Cross didn't know them for long, that it happened when Allen was about six or seven and not much younger... For all we know, he could even be under thirty (doubtful, since he looks older than Komui/Bak and they're about that age, but that would mean he'd have been about the same age as Lavi/Kanda... and that's definitely old enough to do anything that he did. He was a scientist before he came to the Order, but we've seen apprentices of that age, and none of them seem all that smart :P). Again, unlikely, but I just felt like pointing it out. ^^

And, of course, it doesn't have anything to do with Cross potentially being a Skull, which seems possible...

[ying_su]

I really think we should be careful with saying malcolm is not sympathic. I really think he's forced to be like that. Don't forget he has huge responsabilities. I think some background might change it.

That's exactly my theory. I hope find some of that in the next chapter.


I think Tim is trying to show Allen something in the room that's why he keeps going there.

It could be interesting that in that room where something only allen could understand, but if the circumstances around cross' disappearance have been hidden that's enough reason for Timu to be there and show it to Allen.


they say similar incantation

That's something suspicious that we can't forget: i don't like the idea of cross being an skull made for the 14th. But it can be that way: cross being the 14th's pupil (*roll*) learning the 14th magic incantations. Does the ages between then fit??


he could've been a teenager when he knew Mana and the 14th
Well if that the case... The ages fits!!
I like the scientist idea too!! ^^

[endless_dream]

Two things:

First, Cross made that message to Allen at some point BEFORE the meeting - actually, back at the original HQ, I'd say. Timcanpy's been with Allen ever since (he was squished under Johnny while everyone else was asleep). We shouldn't forget that. It's hard to say whether Tim has a message related to that room (why that room, unless Cross had been there before and asked for it?) or perhaps if Tim just missed Cross and wanted to be there again since it's the closest thing to being with his old master.

Second, Cross doesn't necessarily have to be old. For all we know, he could've been a teenager when he knew Mana and the 14th, and/or that Cross didn't know them for long, that it happened when Allen was about six or seven and not much younger... For all we know, he could even be under thirty (doubtful, since he looks older than Komui/Bak and they're about that age, but that would mean he'd have been about the same age as Lavi/Kanda... and that's definitely old enough to do anything that he did. He was a scientist before he came to the Order, but we've seen apprentices of that age, and none of them seem all that smart :P). Again, unlikely, but I just felt like pointing it out. ^^

And, of course, it doesn't have anything to do with Cross potentially being a Skull, which seems possible...

Cross might be a skull because of the magic he possessed and the words he used to activate it...in chapter 127, it showed that the skull face had transformed back into a mask just as he revealed his identity to Allen..

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/16-17/

[ying_su]

It's also said: "You're not a skull of Master's making".

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/01/

So, he's an skull.

((The others possibilities are also open, but with a small %))

Maybe he turned into a skull with the known method (remember Tapp) and someway modified to conserve his human appearance or something.

((Oh my, the cross-is-14th's-pupil-idea was nice...OTL...))

[shinobi]

If Cross was really a skull, which is very possible, Allen knows that, right? In that page posted above by endless_dream he showed Allen his skull face, Allen didn't look surprised, so perhaps Allen does know about Cross more than we think.
I liked the idea that Cross is the 14th's pupil too. explains why he knows so much about him.
[hr]


Maybe he turned into a skull with the known method (remember Tapp) and someway modified to conserve his human appearance or something.


not only his appearance, also his mind, character, will, everything. but yes, Cross was the only one (as I can remember) who had the knowledge to make temporarily modified Akuma, so it's possible that the 14th ( Cross's master and the one who made him) knows how to make permanent modified skulls.

[hideseeker]

I think with regards to Leverrier, it should be mindful that the mangaka has a habit of creating sadistic characters, yet with a soft side.

[ying_su]

he showed Allen his skull face, Allen didn't look surprised, so perhaps Allen does know about Cross more than we think.

Not only Allen: Ravi, Lenalee & Chaoji where there (up in the ground, yes, but...). The answer to that, i think, is (as i thought in that moment) that Cross was disguised. Even now it is possible: a magician disguised to enter the enemy's place. Natural.


not only his appearance, also his mind, character, will, everything.

That's true. It's because of that i'm starting to think the skull idea is not viable.
((Oh my, i changed my mind in two consecutive post!!!!))

Again: I love the pupil theory the most. Someone can destroy that theory?? Just to be sure^^


I think with regards to Leverrier, it should be mindful that the mangaka has a habit of creating sadistic characters, yet with a soft side.

And sincerely: we love it!! ^^

[Wargummi]

Is there a chapter 171 this week?

[endless_dream]

There should be a chapter this week...and about the theory on Cross being the 14th's pupil, it might be possible because the mask that Cross wears somewhat resembles the face of a clown...

[deadberry]

spoilers thread not open...

popularity poll

http://i34.tinypic.com/o8v4mf.jpg

[ying_su]

Why are Tikki and Cross after Krory and Miranda???
0_o

A mask to hide a mark or some kind of sign that could show his truth side (i feel the 14th side) and it's not longer necessary????.
People don't need to hide a scar, just see Cloud...

[hideseeker]

Yeah.. Miranda hardly had much by way of screen time or manga time.

[ying_su]

Well, maybe i'm the only one, but i think Miranda is cool^^
(It's that weird -.- ???)

[endless_dream]

No, I don't think so...she's funny and she'll always try her best to do things right and her character is somewhat similiar to Krory...

[ying_su]

Iyada.
Krory and Miranda have nothing in common!!
I don't like Krory.

T_T it seems i'm the only one...

[Teeba]

Wow, deadberry, where'd you get that?? o.O

Omigod, awesome! Allen wins!

I have a spoiler that looks....legit. please don't hurt me


：産業 ◆yQongahxCI ：2008/09/03(水) 19:47:11 ID:rB9EtaIX0

ラビ｢あの夜からクロス元帥を見かけねぇんだけど？｣
じじい｢そうだな｣
ラビ｢どこにいったんだよ　じじい　あの日何か気付いてただろ？　アンタなんか焦ってた　元帥の言葉を聞い てから｣

～　クロス｢この戦争にゃ裏がある｣　～

ラビ｢何に気付いたんさ？｣
じじい｢…おそらく　クロス・マリアンはもう教団に戻ってはこないだろう
彼が無事逃げ果せ…生き延びておれば…だがな｣
ラビ｢！？　逃げるって誰から？　　……まさか…｣
じじい｢慎重に行動しよう　あの場に立ち会ったワシとお前の身も危うくなったのかもしれん｣

(2nd part)

別場面
ヘブ｢お前の予想通りだコムイ　｢断罪者｣から伝わってくる…クロス・マリアンはもうこのイノセンスの適合 者ではなくなったと…｣

コムイ｢鑑定の結果血痕はすべてクロス元帥のものでした　遺留品の仮面からも右頭部を撃ち抜かれた痕跡があ りました
そうであれば致命傷です　生存の確率は極めて低いかと…｣

ティエ｢まさかクロスを襲ったの　中央庁じゃないよね｣

別場面
ルベ｢クロス・マリアンを殺したのはキミかね？１４番目｣
アレンがルベを睨んで｢あなたじゃないんですか　長官｣
出て行くアレン

ルベ｢私は中央庁へ戻る　マリアン暗殺について調べたいことがあるのでね｣
リンク｢長官…？｣
ルベ｢私じゃない…だがこれは中央庁の仕業だ　私に何の報告もなく…誰かが実行した
マリアンが言ってた裏というものと関係があるかもしれない｣

電話
｢ルベリエ長官　北米支部長からお電話です｣
ルベ｢おはようレニーいかがでしたかな？｣
｢ええ無事届きました　アクマの卵の欠片…必ず長官のご期待に添うてみせますわ｣

煽り
渦巻く…思惑…

[shinobi]

In my opinion, it should be
4- Cross
5- Tykki
6- Lenalee
7- Miranda
8- Komue

[earthforge]

Hey, the girls of DGM pwn, so they deserve their positions. Especially Lenalee after her torture in the Level 4 arc. And I'm not surprised Allen comes first. His popularity probably surged when the 14th thing was found. Whose at 11th? I can't see.

About the spoiler, total squee (using babelfish). However, this week I must wait till the chapter is completely out cause I obsess over the spoilers and not the chapter.

[endless_dream]

The one at the 11th position is Mana

[ying_su]

It seems there will be color pages in the next ussue!!

[luna_wolf]

in my opinion i think that tim was serching for cross and doesnt know what has happend to him.
because he is flitting around that window like he is nercous (well i would be too if there was that hitler guy in there) but to me timcampy looks alittle lost.

i hope that Allen and Leve..ectguy will have a good talk. and maybe show that that guy has maybe a ickle little part of him with a heart. i dont know why but yeh, i think that there may be a soft side. plus if he doesnt like allen, then he definatly must be an akuma! XD joke, but yeh i think he should get to like allen!

for some reason i'm startin to like him, especialy link..and i dont know why, i guess there is a place inside my head that keeps saying that even thought he's a sadistic creep and link does his bidding, they may have small amounts of pitty

...but i guess that thought will change the moment he even dares to think that allen hurt cross or anything.
because he was thinking "who could have done this" when just at that moment allen opens the door. so he may jump to a conclusion and acuse allen because maybe he thinks that allen may have wanted cross not to tell any "secrets" or "info"..but meh, just speculation

[Wargummi]

Well I know this is a bit out of the blue, but im really curious on who Allen´s parents are and why the 14th hates Earl. I mean he doesnt remember his parents, it was said they abandoned him.

But I wonder, I know this is a bit out of the blue. But what if the previous Noah, Mana´s brother is Allen´s real father and Allen´s mother was an exorcists and there child was Allen and they raised him in secret for a while until earl figured out what was going on and killed Allen´s mother and caused the previous 14th to hate Earl and try to kill him for what he did and after faliure he implied his memories into his son Allen and hid him from the Earls eye´s until Allen found mana.

I mean it sounds a bit crazy, but I guess i maybe using a bit over the imagination, but it does explain his hand, and Innocent dispite being a Noah and the 14th actually had to come in contact with Allen to implie his memories into him, so my crazy theory, may sound possible, but also a little bit impossible.

[Zibi234]

Well I dont think that 14th was Allens father ^^ it would look to cruel becouse his own father implanted inside him his own memories to get reborn... it looked like Allen is a toy not son ^^ Hmm Cross mentioned that 14th and Mana were allways running to hide from noahs so when would he have time for a wife ect.

We dont know how old was 14th while he died and we dont know when the memories were implanted... maybe the 14th promised to be reborn and entered Allen while he was in his mother belly after or before the inocence attached itself to Allen by forming his left arm that lookes kinda like a Noahs (black with cross shape stigmata on it) or simply God planned Allens reborn from the begining so it was fate to like it is ^^

I wonder why the inocence is working knowing that inside is 14th the thing that both destroy each other (noah <=> inocence) ehhh hope there will show up a spoiler picture to confirm the spoilers not like last week.

[addenza]

I think the 14th inserted his memories into Allen after observing Allen for some time. If you remember, Allen was an abandoned and rude boy on the streets whom no one would cry for if he died. And seeing that Allen had innocence, it probably made Allen a more suitable candidate to fight the Earl and win the fight.

[ying_su]

And seeing that Allen had innocence, it probably made Allen a more suitable candidate to fight the Earl and win the fight.

Mmmm, Hotshino has been saying us all the time that the fact the host were too an exorcist it's just a coincidence.
(In fact, twice: at the beginning when Cross took Allen and now when he said him he's the host. Well, to be exact: Cross thinks it's a coincidence^^. And thinking in The "Cross-is-developing-the-14th-wild" Theory i too think is just a coincidence)

[Digital_Eon]

It's hard to say at this point. On one hand, how coincidental, you know? And was it the 14th's memories that changed Allen to look EXACTLY like the guy (or very close to him, from what we've seen), or just a coincidence that they resembled each other physically? Heck, is that kind of physical alteration even possible?

...but at the same time, maybe it is just bad luck for Allen that he has this kind of fate. Someone had to take it on, and fortunately for the world, Allen has the perfect personality to do it (something that seems to be Allen's own and not the 14th's). It's his unchangeable destiny.

[ying_su]

Yes it's hard.

One could say Cross was lying to Allen in that "bad luck" sentence in order to not to say him too much, but... and the first time (when they first meet)?? Then he just looked as he was saying in high voice what he was thinking...

You know, this is only an opinion, but: Allen being related (blood related) with the 14th is something so unoriginal...that i really don't like it.

[endless_dream]

I don't really think that Allen is related to the 14th in any sort of way except being the host necessary for the 14th revival...it is already explained in the manga that the 14th just chose whoever was nearby at the time as his host when he got the chance...
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/167/06/

[Agrias]

DGM 171 is out! (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38375) Predict and discuss away :)

[haku-desu]

Why the color page said 172?

Why is the chap 172???

[mitokomon]

It's probably just a typing mistake, I don't think it means anything...
And even without the translation, this chapter seems to promise a lot, I mean Allen's expression, serious looking conversations and poor timcanpi T____T
I love Linalee's and Reveer's face, when they see Tapp's sister XDXDXD
Oh well, I'll talk some more, when the translation comes out ^__^ But generally speaking, I liked the chapter, except that new scientist...

[Digital_Eon]

The perverted scientist looks almost as interesting as if not nearly as sexy as Bak... but the other guy's entrance was better. All these new characters! Looking forward to seeing their role in the manga from now on.

Allen was awesome here, especially when he walked in on the scene with the blood and mask. Timcanpy owned with cuteness, though!

Very interested in the translation.

[shinobi]

just wait till Komue discovers how this new guy looking at lenalee! he's gonna make his life a living hell.
do you think Tim is sad for his master's death?

[Onomatopoeia]

I think it makes sense that Tim would be sad about his masters death I mean it's likely that they've been together for a long time. But I think this might point to something more important, Tim would know if Cross faked his death but if he did do that then he wouldn't be said... right?

And Legory Peck is awesome! I demand that Komui and Peck meet next chapter!

The Bookman and Lavi discussion, Bookman defintely knows something, probablly knowledge that isn't well known in the order...

Leverrier is actually one of my favorite characters, as wrong as it may seem he's pretty darn awesome to me. I mean really cake after a scene like the one Allen walked into? Thats cold and funny in a weird way. Not only that but Leverrier has gone into detective mode to try to find a killer, he seems to know more then anyone else in the order and has several ace's ready just in case...

[endless_dream]

Legory peck is somewhat an interesting but perverted character and as for Mark Burroughs, he quite funny, if the both of them meet Komui, I wonder how this would turn out:P...the part where Johnny and the rest dragged Cash to meet Reever and Lenalee was amusing, if Komui were to see this, I wonder if he'll have the same reaction as the rest who had seen her so far xD...

hmm, the generals, bookman(not sure if Lavi realises this though..), Komui and Bridget Fay seem to believe that Cross isn't dead and he won't be returning here...aww, Timcampy is so cute when he was rubbing his face on cross blood...and it's sad too, seeing him do that...I don't quite get why Leverrier still accuses Allen of murdering Cross when he knows it the Central's doing...and on the same page, did Allen's eye suddenly changed color??
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/171/016/

[LoS]

Regardless of his investigation though, who could single handedly kill a "ready" Cross?

If he finds out he is pretty much dead.

[Koen]

Yeah legory peck and komui together with lenalee could bring us some nice funny scenes. Anyway overall this chapter was okay. It gave some important informations like judgement that wasn't compatible anymore with cross. Bookman can be really importan in these mysterious cases because he really knows a lot and more. Cross saying these things weren't coincidence at all. I just hope bookman informs lavi, his succesor about this.

Anyway I was kinda chocked when the flashback of the other war came shortly before (or after - don't know exactly) when hevlaska was talking about innocence not being compatible anymore. Might this have to do with innocence? the group that did some experiments with the boy? (we eventually know komui didn't like the idea of lenalee taking her innocence in). Might there be a link? Well who knows?

Anyway to end: loved how link stood a bit up for allen. Malcolm saying maybe mr 14th killed him and allen walking away maybe you did with link eventually asking his master if he did was so great

[ying_su]

I don't quite get why Leverrier still accuses Allen of murdering Cross when he knows it the Central's doing...

I think that was just sadism to bother Allen.


and on the same page, did Allen's eye suddenly changed color??
Hoshino plays lately a lot with his eyes^^
At first i thought it was just anger, but "the 14th anger" could be funnier!!!
(thought it's quite impossible^^).

Some thoughts:
-"The favor" part was fake, isn't it?
-Why suddenly the translation changed?
I mean: "there's more to this war that it seems" instead "another side in this war".
-Cross is alive in a 90% of probabilities. (I would like to see him in next chapters...)
-It wasn't Leverier, not HQ, not Allen, but others in the Central. Others?? Geez... more unknown in the equation. Why that others would kill Cross in that conditions, i mean, without say something to Leverier. What does "that" central knows??
-The broken windows is a sign of Cross flight, the Central must be less noisy in its jobs, (i hope). And: What about Maria? He probably used it to scape.
Or that innocence just suddenly disappeared?? (I don't think it).
-Timu behaviour is weird...i'll be observing it...
-"Isn't that dangerous, let me came with you"?!?!?!
What's Link his wife?!?!?!, my my... But interesting: The Central must be REALLY dangerous to be something even Leverier could/should fear...
-Are his expectation to make a whole new egg??


Too many questions...just a random last thought:
We are gonna need another general at this rate: what about a critical point with kanda??? This should be lovely: Kandagensui!!

[rhapsody blue]

I agree that Malcolm was just testing Allen when he asked if the exorcist is the killer. What I found interesting (and somewhat scary) is that Malcolm suspects that someone (or a group) from Central ordered Cross's death without his knowledge. If this is true, the reason has to be that Cross was about to reveal everything; maybe his revleation may expose that person or group so they got rid of him to make sure their secret is safe. This could also explain why Cross does not want to go back to HQ at the beginning of the manga. At this rate, Malcolm is starting to look like a "good" guy since he intends to investigate the matters.

I feel sorry for Reever; he has to deal with those two new section leaders - one is a pervert while the other focuses on good hygiene, which is not a bad thing. Too bad Komui is not there to see Peck's glances at Lenalee because that would be hilarious; their interaction would be priceless. It looks like the Science Section will become more chaotic now with all of the new members.

Cross's not being compatible with his Innocence is somewhat unexpected, but it makes sense. If I recall correctly, one is a conformer if he has a strong resolution (e.g. Allen's: saving the akuma's souls and protecting human beings; Lenalee's: wanting to see her brother and protecting her "family"), correct? Cross is probably more determined to fulfill the 14th's will instead of doing his job as an exorcist so he tossed his gun away since it is no longer useful for him and prevent him from becoming a Fallen (a good thing he has an equipment-type Innocence ^^).

Bookman is hiding thte fact that he knows something about the hidden side from Lavi, but why? It has to be something dangerous since he feared for both of their lives. Unfortunately, we will probably not find out about this for a long time.

Giving the egg fragment to side branch is a good idea since the earl will never suspect that. The Black Order can now investigate more about the egg without any interruption, which I believe will happen in the next chapter. Likewise, I think there will be some interaction with Allen and the others.

[hideseeker]

Given that Leverrier is a political animal, it would be in his interest to find out who made a decision over his head and kill one of his main weapons.

[EL_manana]

Great chapter!! I loved absolutely everything about it...well, awesomeness is a usual thing in DGM...^^
Haha, just a couple of days ago I was talking about Hitler probably showing us his good side in the upcoming chapter and now we see him eating cakes in the Cross's death room and asking sadistic questions... Oh my, I give up. Well, not really. It seems he knows perfectly that there is something dark going on in Central and his actions of passing the egg's piece to some little side-branch secretly look cleaver enough. At least he isn't involved in that "hidden side" thing. And after the flashbacks of his childhood I would rather expect him hating the Cental desperately.
And one more thing. http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/171/012/ Wasn't Tiedoll looking at Fay?!?!!? I hope that is only because he is talking about agents from Central (Fay is no doubt a spy to look after Komui) not because he actually expects her to be Cross's murderer?!?!?!?!?!! Well, it wasn't Link and it wasn't Hitler and I highly doubt the murderer is some random Crow we've never seen -it just goes against manga rules we have to know that person already- so Fay? She could have already been there at that time.... she can be a Crow too... strong enough to kill Cross? O___O....*__* Ok, it's time to declare I am stopping to support KomuiXFai pairing!!! please live Komui....
I also think Cross is alive...i don't want him to be since his "death" was so awesome...but I am almost sure he is...if there are hints in manga, if the characters start doubting it then he is alive- it's like a manga-canon. not only manga actually ^^
And Allen is still trying to search for him. Poor boy, he KNEW after all and he was still strong. Well, it is like him- he told it already back in China before the Suman tragedy http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/45/10/ - "Even if you kill that guy, he won't die" (of course it was a comedy but...) and after that he refused to believe in Cross's death after Anita told him that the ship was destroyed.
Poor poor Tim!!!!! so sad...but you're a sadistic little creature!!!! making Allen come to that place over and over again!!!!!!!! so Tim doesn't know what has happened to Cross if he isn't really dead...but I think not...ARGH!!!! My head hurts!
And page 16...Allen's expression is brilliant....one of the best expressions I've seen! So...natural...Hatred there it is.

[Digital_Eon]

Do we know that it wasn't Link? :3 The Assistant, though... ooh, that would be awesome, and it'd explain why Hoshino was secretive about the murderer.

Why the North America branch? Do they have some exceptional scientists there that weren't moved to HQ with the shuffle? I guess that might've been to divert attention from those other branches; why consolidate the science sections like that if you're going to need those guys somewhere else for research? Interesting move. I wonder if they're planning to rebuild, though, or just examine it; if Link could get a piece of the Egg, it obviously wasn't totally destroyed, yet the Earl seemed to think it was gone for good and was happy that the Order couldn't examine it... huh. (I wonder if Bak's involved - okay, I HOPE. That guy is an amazing scientist; I want to see him more. T_T Would the Asia branch have been too obvious with its existing protection and... Bak?)

[black_crow]

This chapter was amazing!! Ever since they moved to the new headquarters, they have just been getting better and better ! Poor Allen he has gone through so much and now his master is supposedly dead . And Tim is like a lost puppy. Its just so sad. But i loved the look of hatred on Allen. Hoshino really know how to draw emotion! After what bookman said and what Levierr said,I think that maybe Central is the other side of this war. Central may have an alterior motive/goal in this war. I dont know but while reading the recent chapters my mind just keeps screaming CONSPIRACY!
I never even considered Fay to be the murderer, but after reading el manana 's post, I kinda think that she could be. I dont really think that Link could be the murderer because he seems more loyal to Levierr and he just seems like the kind of peron who wouldnt do that.

Haha, just a couple of days ago I was talking about Hitler probably showing us his good side in the upcoming chapter and now we see him eating cakes in the Cross's death room and asking sadistic questions... Oh my, I give up.

haha, that part made me laugh so hard! Thats an all time low for him . To be eating cake at a bloody murder scene. And i love it that Link doesnt even looked surprised to see him there eating cake.

[shinobi]

so now the egg fragment can be investigated, the thing that the earls was really worried about. testing the egg will lead to reveal something about that the akuma being more than just killing machines, the organization knows about this means that the heart, which the earl thinks it's not Lenalee or Allen, will know about it too, for some reason if that happened the earls plans will be destroyed, so if Leverrier managed to test the fragment, and decided to share whatever info he gets with Komui and the others, they'll all have to thank him later. of course if he's doing this for different reasons, this is another story.

now, about the hidden side of the war, looks like central has something to do with it. I just remembered that Bookman said something about the possibility that if the earl wanted to destroy the order, he could have done that long time ago, and that he(earl) is leaving them for a reason. perhaps this reason is related in a way or another to this hidden side.

and poor Tim :( but as Onomatopoeia said, if he knows that Cross is still alive he shouldn't be all that sad. unless this little thingy is really one hell of an actor!

[endless_dream]

now, about the hidden side of the war, looks like central has something to do with it. I just remembered that Bookman said something about the possibility that if the earl wanted to destroy the order, he could have done that long time ago, and that he(earl) is leaving them for a reason. perhaps this reason is related in a way or another to this hidden side.

and poor Tim :( but as Onomatopoeia said, if he knows that Cross is still alive he shouldn't be all that sad. unless this little thingy is really one hell of an actor!

maybe the central is also on the same side as the Earl? (it's a random thought...) Somehow, I find it quite suspicious that the Central wants to keep an eye on the order though (with the exception of Cross)...I think that the Earl is waiting for something/someone to happen/appear respectively (maybe the heart, who knows??)...

As for Tim, I think he's just acting to make everything look more convincing that Cross is already dead so that it can sort of assure the people from the Central that Cross is really "dead"...

[Wargummi]

Do you think Allen will get Cross´s Gun? I mean everyone kept talking about that, but I saw no sign in this chapter about the Gun too be given to anyone. It would look cool on Allen, but Allen could not use the sword and the Gun at ones.

Also Cross said he was going to give Tim to Allen, and if im not correct, Link said too Leverrier that Cross was doing something to Tim on the way his room. So that also maybe the reason why Tim cant sense Cross or grow bigger when he is further away, because his new Master is Allen. So he will grow bigger the further he goes from Allen :) maybe.....

[Zibi234]

Well the gun would be good for Allen case since he is close range fighter but some enemys are long range so this gun would be a nice thing in those fights ^^ well Allen allways can use the weapon with the black claw and not sword ;] so he could switch between attack-options (well but it would look cool to see fighting sword+gun at the same time ^^ so if Allen turns to be the heart then we wont know what power it has :) maybe it will grow another arm in the missing place when the sword is outside hehe just my immagination ^^)

Anyhow it's hard to tell what will the next chatper be about... maybe about that egg fragment or simply Leavier will leave order and head to that american order... So it seems that the 3rd war side is about central and the assasin is mostly from central (1of those crow guards)

Maybe the 3rd war side is that Central wants to know how to make akumas, kill earl and rule the world XD by their religion (more people then more money so more influance)... they could told that if they wont join their religion then their will turn into akuma or something ;]

[Wargummi]

Well will there be a chapter next week?

If not then i say it again, they cant affort to keep skiping between weeks, while the anime is so close to chapter 171.

I mean sure Anime-only fillers, but the longest filler they have done is 3-4 episodes if im correct. But thats not enough. They need atleast have a 10 episode filler, if they intend to continue to skip weeks.

[EL_manana]

There will be a chapter I guess.^^ There was no "hiatus" word on the last page...
And I've heard that the anime is going to stop for some time after the 4th akuma ark... but I am not sure. (I don't care about that stupid animators ruining the atmosphere and awesomeness of my favorite manga.) If it is really going to stop, then the people who watched the anime will start reading manga to know what is gonna happen next. Yaaaay! more popularity!!!

[Koen]

I wonder if the gun will get a new host, so someone else like allen becomes compatible with it would that change the workout too? Well what I want to say: would judgement be the same as we saw it with cross or could it take another form.

Anyway the egg part is something I am really curious about. It's america branch restoring it and prolly reparing it too. I wonder if it's only malcom's orders and if people in asia branch, etc know about this

[Zibi234]

dont worry about chapters and anime episodes ^^ from this point its like 15-16episodes but each week there is a chatper of manga so the distance is constantly moveing forward

In anime they can make 1chapter with filler scenes and in manga well now Hosihino made a 10days time skip so maybe the anime will be about what happened in the 10days tipe skip ^^ anyways its still from today about 3-4months of episodes

[Krisel]

A fragment of the egg?Oh come on.How could they have found a fragment before the Earl?
What has happened to Cross?I have the feeling he left his innocence by his will.Maybe he is a traitor.Or maybe d.gray man is starting to sux on plot developement?!

[Digital_Eon]

Hi flamer.


A fragment of the egg?Oh come on.How could they have found a fragment before the Earl?

Gee, I wonder - where was the Egg before it was destroyed again? In the Order, perhaps?



What has happened to Cross?I have the feeling he left his innocence by his will.Maybe he is a traitor.Or maybe d.gray man is starting to sux on plot developement?!

Or maybe DGM is the kind of manga where there are ~mysteries~ and stuff for us to actually talk about and be anxious over while we wait for the next chapter.

No one knows what happened to Cross. If he did leave his Innocence behind of his own will, there was a damn good reason and that would apparently be "because he couldn't use it anymore" - assuming he's alive at all. What's puzzling everyone is not why he left it behind but what happened to him to make him unable to use it anymore - and that is not sucky plot development... unless you'd rather have Hoshino tell us now so we can get to the fights, ew, no, kthx.

[endless_dream]

Maybe the egg fragment that is in the north american branch was probably found to have a combination of dark matter and something else?? and this probably can help the order in fighting the war, something like that..

[Zibi234]

But why would Leavier hide those things about akuma egg fragment from HQ ? If they combined powers then they could learn about the egg more faster... I think that central has their own plans of things... for now they planted they own trusted people inside order so they could inform central about all things and movements of order... (they give an assistant to Kumui [as head office] , 1for each science group and Link to watch Allen normally all aspects are beign watched no place to move freely)

btw. I cant remember that person "Renee" was that person in HQ before ?

[Digital_Eon]

But why would Leavier hide those things about akuma egg fragment from HQ ?

Probably to avoid the knowledge getting to spies; that'd be the first place they're planted (as shown by Lulubell's attack).


btw. I cant remember that person "Renee" was that person in HQ before ?

Yup, she's the female branch head who came for the meeting (called Bak a frog-boy) and was on the stairs during the level 4 attack... maybe someone'll post a pic because I can't...

[shinobi]

Maybe the egg fragment that is in the north american branch was probably found to have a combination of dark matter and something else?? and this probably can help the order in fighting the war, something like that..

I think Loverier is going to do more than testing the egg fragment and try to create a new egg. the earl is making a new egg as well, so if Leverier succeeded in this there will be two eggs made from the same source, perhaps the twins will have some sort of connection and affect each other, and both sides.

and here is Renee (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/136/Image00006/)

[Zibi234]

Yeah I remembered Renee after the frog-guys word XD... but man if they are building akuma egg then its way to dangerous.... earl is making one so if central will build second one there is a possibility that Earl will try to steal it sohe would have 2eggs and 2x more akuma

So maybe cetral is working for earl... well earl is making akuma to scare people... and well people want help from exorcist and religion (they give them money to protect them from akuma and evil... ) if the egg is broken then less akuma so less money for central... maybe that is the 3rd war side (money and influance)

[Digital_Eon]

First, there's nothing that says the Earl will want/be able to use another Egg. He might attack IF HE FINDS OUT ABOUT IT for the sake of stopping the Order from having that technology, but using the Egg might require a certain amount of resources that would make a second one not feasible.

And that's assuming they make akuma instead of some other weapon (humans came from the same place, didn't they?).

However, think of this: Skulls are apparently needed to make akuma. How are Skulls made again? Not that the Order has ever been shy about sacrificing people, but this would be just creepy. This is what might lead to Allen (+friends) running away if he ever finds out.

[Aibon]

Hey everyone, in the intro thread I had said I always kinda watched from afar, but I just decided to join so it's nice to meet everyone :)


Anyway I had this idea that from the scene when there was a knock at the door and Cross had his gun ready and it switched over and the next thing you saw was Cross laying there assumed to be dead, well what if the knock at the door were those 2 people that were found sleeping at the door... http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/169/01/ and Cross had used his Carte Garde to make them fall asleep. Then I was thinking well, what if he used his Judgement on himself? I mean... that might explain why his innocence is no longer compatible with him, like as if it doesn't trust him or something. I wouldnt have any idea why he would do that, just assuming it had to do with "the other side of the war" or whatever. But I dunno, just putting that out there to think about.

Also I think that maybe Leverrier might know something about the other side of the war.. Like wanting a fragment of the egg, I'm pretty sure no one knows they (Leverrier and Link) did that with the exception of Renee. Either they want it just to examine or they have something secretly planned.

[Koen]

hey, welcome aibon, we hope to see you around a lot and actively :)

it's plausible that cross made his own "killing". But I still think he didn't do it all alone. Since he got away out of the window, it must be 99.9999% sure he had some help.

but yeah it could be the murder is a reason why his innocence rejected him since that's what hevlaska said. Then again what purpose would it have since cross was a master in escaping the order for long times (might it be to avoid timpcanpy knowing where he is?)

[shinobi]

but why do we still have to think of the possibility that Cross shot himself? I mean sure it was an option before this last chapter, but now we saw Leverrier is convinced that this is a work of central, though he has nothing to do with it. plus don't forget that Bookman knows something, and he's worried that he and Lavi are going to be attacked because they witnessed that scene when Cross told Allen about the hidden side of the war, I don't think Bookman was worried about being attacked by Cross. I think it's safe to say that somebody tried to kill Cross but he failed then Cross ran away for some reason.

[ketorin]

i think allen might have helped cross escape well the 14th but he doens't remember it....or maybe the 14th did kill him cause cross had maybe betrayed him in someone way but we don't know yet which sucks.....maybe in this next chapter allen will start to show signs of the 14th in him and maybe remember stuff like if he killed him or not and if people remember in this chapter (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/137/15/) they say this person is also a requirement for the 14th or someting like that so maybe he will remember who that is or they will reveal it soon cause they haven't mentioned him since.....i have been wanting to know who that person is

oh and i was just reading this and it might be a message to allen from cross after he left/died
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/165/01/ this is right before cross tells allen he is the 14th

and yet it again here is another thing that is interesting http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/166/07/ in the last panel mana says allen's name like he knows who he is but before that he said he didn't remember who allen was so maybe he was lying

and here i go again at this point where tim eats cross's cigarette i think that was the message to give to allen http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/167/10/ cause here link says that cross put something in the golem sooo it might have been the message http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/168/11/

and yet another observation. at this point http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/167/11/ cross says he can't laugh at tiedoll so maybe he new what was going to happen to him

i have to say this manga just keeps getting better and better in my opinion

[Zibi234]

I think that Mana know about Allen's name becouse he was possesed by 14th since Cross mentioned that mana was the only one remaining close to 14th till his death (later we know that 14th enters closest person at that time) and later that he acted strangly like forgeting past... maybe Mana to be together with his brother gave his body to 14th (so he could kill or wait for his new container with power to fight earl) so the 14th memory somehow erode Manas own memories

Since the only one who knows the song is the 14th himself and so he is the only one who can read it not mention teaching it to someone ^^ (when mana died Allen was the closest person there)

The cigarete scene with Tim gives us wondering... if the message that Cross left behind was this http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/165/01/ well when Allen went to new HQ it was raining... later then the talk was we saw that it was raining too (lenalee mentioned it) so the next morning it was sunny but cross was dead I think it's this message that Cross gives Tim to Allen (allen is new master)


About that Tiedol thing is that Cross was allways laughing at Tiedoll for fis father like actions by talking to his subordinates like to his kids...crying and hugging them but now Cross hug Allen so he done something that only Triedol was doing :P

I was wondering maybe the Jugment back-fired at Cross when he pointed the gun on someone... inocence considered Cross to be evil since he ponted gun at human or something like that :] Cross is right handed so like Kumui mentioned Cross was shot in right side of arm or face (maybe simply the person shot Cross into arm so he couldnt fire jugment but this is another option ^^ )

[Digital_Eon]

and yet it again here is another thing that is interesting http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/166/07/ in the last panel mana says allen's name like he knows who he is but before that he said he didn't remember who allen was so maybe he was lying

He could've been. =P Probably just for Allen's sake, though... he might not have reacted well if Mana had said anything about knowing him (not that paranoid brat). I thought it was more about Mana's personality... that understanding of people... than something crucial to the plot that might come up later.

[shinobi]

@ ketorin

About the possibility that Allen/14th attacked Cross, or that he helped him to escape, I'm not sure but it seems to me that at the time when Cross was attacked, Allen was sleeping somewhere else with Lenalee's head on his shoulder, so I don't think that he was able to leave the room without Lenalee and perhaps Johnny noticed that.

[endless_dream]

At the time of Cross' murder, the assassin had most likely entered through the front door since he sort of knocked before entering to get Cross' attention....
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/168/14/

This is just an idea I just though of but is it possible that Cross used Maria's Carte garde on himself and shot himself with judgement?? Because during the Level 4 arc, Cross had tried to order Maria to use Carte Grade to move his body...As for the assassin, he probably was the one who removed Cross from the room...
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/147/06/

[ying_su]

If Mana knew who was the host why he appear at that time and not before??

These are the possibilities i can think now:
1. Mana didn't know Allen was the host.
2. Mana noticed it when Allen pet the dog: let think in the dog as one that could recognize its previous master. (I know it sounds a little strange -baka theory- but that could explain Mana's words (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/166/07/ "so you where Allen's friend weren't you").
3. Mana was the host 'till the moment he died and become akuma, and cursed Allen with the host memories. I don't like, sincerely, that idea: i thought it was Mana what someway appeared around Allen's eye when it evolved.

So, i'm between 1. and 2., where is it said Mana knew about Allen?? I don't remember, i'm missing something?? Or are there other possibilities?? What if it was just an old tired man who needed some company?

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About Cross dead, a random thought: Maybe it was Link (^.^) who tried kill him. Link could be someone who's there to keep an eye on Leverier and do some extra jobs for the very Central: the perfect traitor!!

Ok!, i admit it, i need a new chapter or some explanations: my theories are getting more and more complicated and silly!!
@_@
Ah! This series is amazing!!!!

[Zibi234]

Well Allen was talking that the dog licked his hand day earlier and Mana just arrived... so nope it as nothing to do with the dog ;].... its like Mana arrived and then Allen cryied so he told that the dog was a friend of Allen (he didnt bite but licked hand)

We dont know how Mana now about Allen's name maybe Allen is reincarnation of 14th since birth and he lookes the same so Mana could recognize him (Allen returned to Manas side just like he promised)

But I somehow think that Mana after he's brother (14th) death becomed 14th host and he erode manas memories so he found Allen (new container and saw that he has power or simply it was fate to meet) and tought him about the musical score and after Manas death he went to Allen's mind throught the curse so he could be reborn again (and the shell was ready... I mean knowing how to read the musical score that coused activation of 14th memories and from this point 14th will begin to erode Allen's memories [ark])


This manga is very interesting becouse of those mysteries ^^ it has deep plot so people have many theories to talk about at forums XD


well there was at 2ch something like this but I think at end they said its fake os I wont post it at spoiler thread ^^

172夜だった

普通にしてるようで事情を知る(＝エクソシスト)仲間にはあまり関わろうとしてないアレン
リナリー「…アレンくん」
アレンと一緒にいるもののルベリエが気になってしょうがないリンク
それに気付きアレンがどうしたのか訊くがリンクはなんでもないと言う
訝しむアレン
そんな感じで任務が入る
メンバーはアレンとブックマンｓとまさかのロブ(科学班も状況に応じて行くことになった)
任務地に着いた途端、アレン頭痛
アレン(なんだ…？嫌な予感がする……)
で次号





という嘘バレ
下手ですまん

[Digital_Eon]

I don't think Mana was ever the 14th's host. It was obviously Allen - Cross said so. Allen was the one whom the 14th transferred his memories into before running off and getting himself killed by the Earl. If it had originally been Mana, this would have been mentioned. Additionally, that's why Cross was talking about "why this one" - because Allen was picked at random (or so we think, but the point is that it was Allen), and why Allen was worrying about whether or not Mana really loved him. It's because Allen had those memories when he met Mana. The question is whether Mana knew (probable considering the physical resemblance between the 14th and Allen).

And anyway, the 14th would have to be some heartless bastard to kill his BROTHER like that. No indication that that's the case.

[Zibi234]

Well Cross mentioned that after 14th death Mana changed like he forgot the past or something ^^ maybe his memories erode by 14th when he entered (mostly he was the closest person before 14th died)

And Mana could have told "I love you" becouse he allready transfered the 14th (when he died in front of Allen he touched Allen's left arm and died... here the 14th could enter)

Anyway I would like to find the mystery in manga when Hoshino will reveal it ^^

edit: Allen didnt awakened as the 14th yet so his memory is safe for now... Mana could allow his brother 14th to take over so he could experience memory loss of memeory change ;].... well anyway we will learn the truth in the future so we need to be patient XD.... strange that there is no spoiler so far hmm

[Digital_Eon]

Or Mana changed because he underwent serious trauma... or his memories were messed around with. We've seen no memory loss in Allen AT ALL, for example, and he is the new 14th. There are plenty of reasons for Mana to have a weird past and nothing points to the 14th's memories being part of it.

I think the "I love you" comment was just honesty and it'll be what makes Allen remember/realise that Mana did see him as a separate person after all. ^_^

[endless_dream]

About the "I love you" comment, Allen had asked whether Mana had meant he loves him (Allen) or the 14th...Mana might have remembered a little about the 14th at that time but I wonder did Mana ever know that Allen is the host for the 14th? If he did, how did he managed to find Allen?

[Digital_Eon]

The 14th was close to Allen at some point (physically, not - oh, you know what I mean!), so maybe Mana was just in the area and knew where to look. Maybe he even met Allen before (it's not like the kid would've had any interest in him). If Mana didn't know, why would he teach Allen the musical score? For the heck of it? To remember his dead brother?