PDA

View Full Version : sahugani's One Piece Review 501



sahugani
June 01, 2008, 01:04 PM
Sahugani’s One Piece Review 501

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3686/portgasdacebybayanghitanh6.jpg (http://bayanghitam.deviantart.com/art/Portgas-D-Ace-83582200)
been a while since i saw that version of the Whitebeard tattoo

Hey guys! There’s not much to say this week in terms of announcements or anything. All I can say is that hopefully once classes are over for me in a couple weeks, I’ll be able to return to regularly releasing these earlier. The pics in this review come from the Basement scanlation with a pic from Binktopia’s chapter 500 scanlation and another from Null’s chapter 303 scanlation. The title pic is a piece by bayanghitam (http://bayanghitam.deviantart.com/) over at DeviantArt so be sure to visit the rest of his gallery.


Treatment

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5913/1adf0.jpg
they have yet to realize the horror they are bringing back

We return once again to the cover arc of the CP9 getting treatment for Lucci. Up till now we have seen the other ex-assassins performing various tasks in order to earn money to pay Lucci’s medical bills and this week we finally get to see the payoff. What is really screwed up is that it looks like they have just let Lucci lay there without medical attention this whole time while the others collected the money. I mean I know that doctors need to get paid as well and waiting for the cash ensures that the patient won’t skip out, but I would have thought a doctor’s priorities would be different. I would have expected them to treat first and then demand payment since in a medical emergency, time is priceless. Up until now I had thought that the doctors had been working on him this whole time and the CP9 had been trying to work off debt left by medical bills rather than building up the money for an up front payment. Oh well, at least Lucci is going to be on the mend now. The remaining question is whether or not he will still be a sadistic bastard when he wakes up or if he will have reformed his ways.


Silver’s Generation

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1881/2abe1.jpg
he's smarter than we thought

As we start the real material of the chapter, we first venture into the office of Vice Admiral Monkey D. Garp in the Marine HQ as he has just received an urgent report. The report is in regards to Rayleigh being sold off at the auction house in Shabondy. While his subordinate is extremely distressed about this news, Garp is still just as cheerful as always and finds the information highly amusing. He tells his subordinate not to tell this piece of news to the higher brass, saying that he’ll handle it personally and others like Sengoku need not be involved. The marine takes this as Garp doubting that it truly is Rayleigh since normally, news like this would call for the top fighters to be deployed. He is shocked when Garp tells him that he is certain that it is indeed Rayleigh and explains that the former first mate probably got himself in debt and sold himself off. Garp knows Rayleigh’s strength better than probably anyone else in the marines as he was the one with the most history in fighting with Roger’s crew back in the day. He knows that if word of Rayleigh’s appearance got out among the ranks of the marines, Sengoku and the admirals might be smart enough not to act, but some idiot trying to prove himself might want to take advantage of Rayleigh’s current slave status to bring in the legendary pirate. Garp also knows that doing so would lead to the deaths or incapacitation of a shitload of marines. He says that at this point in time, the marines cannot afford a loss such as that since it would mean declaring war on two legends at once. The other legend he is referring to is a matter I will discuss later.


Open Market

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4808/3aff6.jpg
since when are auctioneers celebrities?

We turn now to the auction house, where Caimie has been fitted with an exploding collar and Disco has recovered from Rayleigh’s “spirit” release. The auction now begins and rather than being treated like a normal auction, it feels more like an entertainment venue. For some people in the audience, that is in fact exactly what it is. They just get pleasure from watching “lesser humans” lose their freedom. One thing that I must take note of is the symbol of the crossed out smiley face on the wall behind Disco. There has been speculation stemming from this detail that Donquixote Doflamingo of the Shichibukai is behind the auction since his symbol is also a crossed out smiley face and this kind of thing is somewhat fitting in his ideology. Looking back at Doflamingo’s flag though, I must point out that the two smiley faces do differ (and this also means Doflamingo’s differs from Law’s symbol as well). Here is a comparison of the two smiley faces.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2958/3bsp5.pnghttp://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7232/3cex8.jpghttp://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3816/3dbe1.png
the symbols of Doflamingo, the auction, and LawIt is a close enough match that you could argue that the connection still exists, but it is by no means a certainty. I’d say that I am doubtful that the connection exists as there has been a recent focus on the Shichibukai from beating Moria to the Kuma and Zoro duel to Blackbeard’s appointment. I’d rather back away from the Shichibukai connections for a while. If he does in fact have a connection to the auction, it wouldn’t be too much of a shock as the Shichibukai are pretty much free to do whatever they want after getting their status. Moria took to capturing ships and crews from pirates and innocents alike, so it’s not out of the question that Doflamingo might set up a business that revolves around human sale.


Buyer’s Guide

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5269/4alt0.jpg
i really want to see what a minkman is

As the auction starts out, the scene shifts to Sanji and Duval. The Strawhat cook has reached a stress level to the point where he is currently smoking three cigarettes at once due to both Caimie’s capture and having to deal with the narcissist he created. He is currently reading through a flier that lists the average starting prices for various types of merchandise at a human auction. The interesting thing about this list is that it gives us a guide to the races of the One Piece world, many of which we have not even seen before. First on the list are humans, for which the only requirement is that they are not law abiding citizens of a World Government allied country. All criminals and foreigners are fair game though. The first such groups that we have yet to meet are the dwarves and minkmen, both of which are priced at 700,000. Dwarves appear in a lot of media and so we can quite easily guess the attributes of this race as being short, most likely bearded, and very strong compared to humans with a better work ethic as well. For minkmen we really don’t know what to expect. They could be exactly what their name suggests and they are naturally half mink, half man similar to how fishmen are half fish. I guess we won’t really know till we see one. Next on the list are the Longarms, Longlegs, and Snakenecks. So far, as far as we can tell, we have only seen one representative from one of these groups in Apoo, a Longarm and one of the Shabondy supernovae. Their names seem relatively straightforward as whatever body part is in the name is abnormally long compared to a regular human. After that are the races we’re more familiar with: the fishmen, giants, and merfolk. The first are the fishmen, which oddly enough are the only ones of this group that are not separated into different price ranges for male and female. This is odd because it is the only one of these three races for which we have actually seen both genders (the octopus fishwoman in Hachi’s cover arc as the sole female example). The giants are listed after the fishmen but are ten to fifty times more expensive due to their rarity, the difficulty in catching them, and their much greater capability for heavy labor. Since the main use of a giant slave is manual labor, the more physically strong males are considered more valuable than females and thus are five times more expensive. After this comes the merfolk, which are divided into three groups: male, female, and parted female. Unlike the other slave races, having a mermaid or merman is for the most part purely decorative and is considered the equivalent of owning a rare fish to keep in an aquarium. Since females are the ones that have the legendary beauty, males are much less valuable and go at the same price as a fishman. Female mermaids that have their tails already parted are more expensive than the males but are still cheaper than non-split females because it means they are over thirty years old and are generally less pretty. A pretty female mermaid like Caimie though is highly prized and tops the price list at 70 million. The final item on the list is devil fruit users but there is no average price tag attached to this group. Due to the different values of various devil fruits as well as the capabilities of different users to develop their abilities, a set price cannot be established.


The Search Closes

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6248/5ajc9.jpg
the tails are a bit overboard

After this, we turn to the other Strawhats and their flying fish rider partners. As we briefly turn to Luffy, we find that apparently he needed to wear a bunch of bubbles like a suit because every 5 minutes, the flying fish needs to go underwater to gain momentum again. The majority of this scene is with Usopp and the kamikaze bearded flying fish rider as they talk to one of the other kidnapping groups, the coffee monkeys. the group has a monkey theme and the leader even wields a bo staff as a short and amusing little nod of the head to Sun Wukong (Monkey King in Chinese epic novel). We can also assume that they drink a lot of coffee, no doubt contributing to a level of hyperactivity fitting of monkeys. at the moment though, the entire group seems depressed and none more so than their leader, who has started drinking alcohol. Apparently this was the group that was responsible for catching the giant that is currently at the auction house. They were very proud of themselves and the fact that their catch was going to be the main prize of this auction. However, once Peterman brought in a mermaid, their catch was reduced to the number 2 spot. While this would likely be negligible in terms of actual cash won on their giant since giants are sold for work while mermaids are for decoration, it is a matter of reputation. Whoever brings in the best selling prize of a month’s auction gets recognition as a successful business and is more likely to get good deals on later sales. Anyways, now that the Usopp pair has this info, they now know that Caimie is at the auction house on Grove 1 and the seller was Peterman. With this info, everyone is told to go directly to Grove 1 to meet. We even get a brief glimpse of Zoro, who despite being out of the communication loop, is trying to get to Grove 1 to return to where he mistakenly thinks the Sunny is docked. On the way he runs into a few attackers who are either bounty hunters or pirates who don’t recognize him, but he is rightly unconcerned about them.


Arrival

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5286/6amq4.jpg
couldn't Duval have both the buffalo and a flying fish as steeds?

We once again return to Sanji and Duval now that the entire group has been informed that Caimie is on Grove 1. Apparently a half an hour has passed since the auction opened, which terrifies Sanji. Duval is not worried yet since a prize like Caimie is sure to be kept for the second half. If she was put up for auction too early, the big buyers would become uninterested in slaves that come up after her. Another reason Duval is not very concerned is because despite the slowness of his water buffalo steed, he has been traveling to Grove 1 all along. As a successful kidnapping group leader, he already knew that the auction house on grove 1 was the most likely place for Caimie to be if the ones that took her had already dropped her off for sale. The point of sending the faster flying fish around the archipelago was to catch up to her in case she was still in the possession of the kidnappers or to at least find out anything they could about who took her and where she is now. Sanji calls this instinct but in actuality it is just logic and knowledge of the business. Unfortunately for Duval’s pride, his steed is so slow that even though he was traveling to Grove 1 the entire time, the flying fish that his subordinates ride are so much faster that Chopper was able to get there before Sanji and Duval.


Quarrels

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3999/7aye1.jpg
just because the Tentyuubito shouldn't be touched doesn't mean this guy can't get beaten

When Franky arrives at the auction house, he finds that Hachi, Pappagg, Sanji, Chopper, and Nami are already there and the cook is causing a scene. He is having an argument with the clown themed doorman at the entrance and demanding that the guy brings Caimie back despite the fact that the guy is pretty low on the totem pole. Even though Sanji alone could most likely take out every one of the armored guards present in addition to this asshole, the guy continues to act high and mighty because he considers himself better than pirates. In his mind, all he needs to do is hint to his kidnapper connections that certain pirates are deserving of being caught for slave trade while he, an “upstanding citizen” is immune from being targeted by kidnappers. Nami brings up the issue of the World Government and suggests that the auction house or kidnappers must be using bribes to stay open despite government laws. The guy not so subtly hints that the World Government is in on it and allows it willingly but unofficially. Basically, the idea is that since the slave trade is such a valued practice for the Tenryuubito, the Government allows it in order to appease them. Since they can’t officially announce their support it without losing the support of the world populace, they turn a blind eye to it as if they were completely unaware of its existence, which allows others on the archipelago to participate in it and help the industry thrive. The only thing that the government asks is that the kidnapped slaves not be law abiding citizens. Other races are fine because the government can ignore nations they are not allied with and even if the nation is allied, the other races are still minorities whose support they can afford to lose. Criminals are also alright since the disappearance of a criminal means more support from the loyal citizens.


Nami’s Selfless Side

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/32/8aiv6.jpg
i love Nami-san like this

When Franky threatens to blow up the auction house, Nami, Hachi, and Pappagg are tasked with calming down the hotheads, Franky and Sanji. Hachi stops Franky from attacking since it could cause collateral damage to Tenryuubito, which would bring the wrath of an admiral down on their heads. He also explains that even if they were somehow able to rescue Caimie by force, she most likely already has an exploding collar attached. If the auctioneer feels threatened, he could kill Caimie with the simple push of a button and there would be no chance of saving her. Nami decides that if they are going to save Caimie, they need to play by the nobles’ own rules and buy her “legally”. She estimates that the treasure she obtained from Thriller Bark is worth at least 200 million beli. Given that the average starting price for a mermaid is 70 million, that much cash should be enough to buy her back. It is a theme with Nami that despite her greed, there is one type of situation in which she becomes generous and that is when faced with female allies. Multiple times when there is a female supporting character that she becomes extremely close to, she becomes willing to part with her treasure. It started with Vivi when the princess promised her 1 billion beli to take her to Arabasta but in the end, Nami gave it up for the sake of her friend. More recently, after the zombie Lola saved her, Nami gave away treasure unprovoked to the zombie’s shadow’s true owner even though this human Lola didn’t even ask for any. Now Nami is once again more than willing to part with her treasure for the sake of a friend. She bonds with female companions relatively quickly (as opposed to male companions who she has too much fun extorting) and is often the first to stand up for them.


Evil Eye

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4624/9aym4.jpg
is there a name besides supernovae for bounties above 300 million?

As the four Strawhats enter the auction house along with Pappagg and Hachi, they are quickly noticed by the Kidd crew. While Sanji ogles the dancer girl that is currently being sold, Kidd himself looks them over and is disappointed to see that Strawhat Luffy is not among them. He clearly has an interest in checking out the Strawhat captain since they are the only two pirates on the archipelago currently at or above a 300 million bounty. This little scene along with what we saw of him last week makes me see him as having a superiority complex and is brash and cruel enough to pick fights with pretty much anyone at the drop of a hat, but he is not without enough common sense to avoid actually hurting a Tenryuubito. This at least takes out my theory that Kidd would be the one to hurt a Tenryuubito and summon the arc’s true villain. He is very proud of his reputation since it causes his name to strike fear and respect in others. Since Luffy is pretty close to his bounty, he wants to be certain that this other rookie is as much of a joke as the rumors say so that he can prove he is better. I am still highly doubtful that Kidd will be the main enemy of the arc since his bounty is still lower than Moria’s was at least ten years earlier. In addition, despite the slight bit of self-restraint that I have added into my view of his character since my first analysis, he still seems more like an asshole that just needs to be put in his place than a villain that needs to be defeated to serve a higher purpose. Given that the other Strawhats are on their way right now, I’ll guess that Kidd will get to meet Luffy soon enough. Due to the fact that Luffy is traveling with only a mere flying fish rider and not a Strawhat capable of stopping him, I’m guessing that we’ll see the Strawhat captain make a big entrance and pretty much try to save Caimie in the same way Franky was going to (except probably with less risk of actually injuring a Tenryuubito). He’ll try to save Caimie regardless of the collar. Fortunately, we have already seen that Rayleigh has taken an interest in Caimie’s safety and if he witnesses Luffy pulling off a very Roger-like action, he may become more willing to help the Strawhats directly in aiding their escape. In this situation, even if the Tenryuubito are uninjured, we can assume that they will call for some type of assistance from either a marine officer of some high rank or a very skilled bounty hunter. Kidd will also probably factor into the escape somehow, possibly trying to confront Luffy as the Strawhats leave but will instead face the full might of Silvers Rayleigh.


War on the Horizon

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8089/10ats1.jpg
Drake's specific background makes him very intriguing for this arc

While the Kidd and Law crews hang out at the auction house with the Strawhats on the way, the other supernovae are the first to receive information regarding the global conflict from the newspaper. We see the ones that met Zoro simply giving shocked looks but Oda gives the actual delivery of the information to the only remaining supernova we have not yet seen since 498, Drake. He announces to his crew that the World Government is planning a public execution of Fire Fist Ace of the Whitebeard Pirates. Up until now, Whitebeard would be angry that Ace lost and is in prison, but would still have enough common sense to declare war on the World Government. If anything, he would just be looking for Blackbeard alone as the man who murdered his nakama and then beat up and turned in his former commander. If the World Government actually plans to kill Ace though, that changes Whitebeard’s objectives drastically. At that point, the rescue of a nakama who has not yet been killed takes precedence over avenging those already fallen. In this case though, since Blackbeard is a Shichibukai and thus on the same side as the government, the two goals overlap. If they actually go through with the execution before Whitebeard can intervene, he holds the entire military chain of command responsible for this death since the order came from the very top. In short, the announcement of the execution as well as its public display is a direct declaration of war from the government to Whitebeard. The government has problems fighting the Yonkou because taking the offensive spreads their forces too thin and the forces can be attacked by any of the Yonkou along the way to the target. Ace’s execution is bait in order to draw only Whitebread without the other three to the doorstep of the Marines so that the government will have the advantage in terms of both numbers and terrain. They can freely use the full force of their admirals, vice-admirals, and the two present Shichibukai, Kuma and Blackbeard.

The one aspect of this announcement that seems to be ignored is the reaction of Ace’s family. The execution is intended to infuriate Whitebeard, but we have no word on the reactions of Ace’s brother, father, or grandfather. Luffy has not yet been informed though he likely will be by the end of this arc or sooner. I’m not certain how he will react to it since he has already proclaimed his desire keep his journey separate from Ace’s. However, if faced with the prospect of his brother’s death, I’m not so certain that Luffy can sit back and simply trust in his brother’s ability to survive. There are two or three scenarios I deem as somewhat likely though Oda’s unpredictability makes this kind of thing insane to guess at in the first place. One scenario is that this matter gets put on hold until the end of this arc during which it is announced that Ace is dead (though Luffy might not hear the news) and Whitebeard’s war will continue. I don’t see Luffy acting under this scenario because Luffy directly fighting the government works better under a different chain of events. Should Oda decide to send the Strawhats into the global conflict within an arc or two of entering the New World, then I would more suspect that Ace will not have been killed yet and Luffy decides to stop the execution after hearing about it. This leads to one or two small arcs on islands in between Fishman Island and the execution location. The only way I see for Luffy to go help Ace is if at the end of it, either Luffy personally witnesses the execution or gets Ace to travel with them. The option of death is pretty clear as to why I see it as possible since it gives Luffy the motivation to jump headfirst into the global conflict and become a major player in it. The second option of joining is something I explained a few reviews back as a theory. Basically, if Luffy reaches Ace and by that time Whitebeard has been either captured or killed (by either Blackbeard or Sengoku I am guessing), Ace will have a reason to travel with his brother to either save or avenge his captain. The reason I support Ace joining the crew is because his presence serves a purpose, which was my main issue with Brooke’s recruitment throughout Thriller Bark. If the Strawhats are to join the global conflict, Ace provides knowledge and familiarity with the environment, major players, and objectives.

As for other reactions to Ace’s execution, we still do not know what is cooking in the heads of Garp or Dragon. Since Garp seemed to know that the war with Whitebeard was about to begin, he must have known about Ace’s execution already. This puts him in a bit of a dilemma as he must choose between his grandfatherly love and his responsibility to his rank in the marines. He seemed happy and giddy as always in his scene at the beginning of the chapter but inside I’m guessing that he is in fact sad and conflicted. He does not allow himself to show a sentimental side or a sad side and instead masks it with outward appearances of either joy or violence. For example, he was outwardly angry that Luffy became a pirate but was secretly proud that his grandson had become a strong young man. We will likely see him continue to act as a marine officer should and support the execution but when the time comes he will act as a grandfather and try to save him in some way. As for Dragon, there are likely only a few if any that know of Ace’s relation to Luffy, Garp, and Dragon and so they didn’t even consider how the revolutionary would react to this execution. We have seen Dragon save Luffy from execution before and it is likely that he would want to save his other son as well though I think that unlike Ace, Luffy is someone that Dragon has big plans for and the savior at Logue town was partly for his family love and partly for his grand scheme. He will be a bit of a wild card and if he does play a part in the scenario of Ace’s execution, it will not be until the final hour.


Overall

Whew! I can’t wait till school ends so I can get these done quicker. Oda really knows how to end each chapter with some big revelation that goes into a completely different subplot each week. We’ve gone from the big supernovae naming to Caimie’s kidnapping to the first mate of Roger’s crew to Ace’s execution and more news on the global conflict. If there is any author that can handle so many subplots simultaneously, it is Oda. As always, I can’t wait to see what happens next chapter. Also, just as a warning, there is a chance that I might not get around to making a review next week due to finals. I’ll try to since it is a great way for me to relax, but I’m not certain if it will be possible. If I don’t make one, then I will make a double the next week as I always do.

conan
June 01, 2008, 01:44 PM
brilliant comments, I really dont have anything else to say, I have also skimmed your comments for the latest chapters since I missed them before, I have to say I've been blown away by the contents of this ark, eversince the first commotion where zoro drew his sword on a tenryubito I was blown away, I neverthought this much was going to happen, also it looks like the naval war you desired is extremely possible now with or without the strawhats, your comments and predictions add more to the excitement too.

the only thing I slightly disagree with is luffy saving ace, I dont think that is going to happen , I have nothing to back it up really but its just a prediction, oda can use Ace's situation to get much more things done instead and like you said, oda is always unpredictable.

finally, brilliant comments, well done.

Absolutio
June 01, 2008, 02:10 PM
Awesome review! Was really looking forward to it. :D
Two things I have to say..
First about Ace joining Luffy, in any of the scenarios. It seems really unplausible to me. Ace made it sure that his only desire is to make WB the pirate king, and that he does not intend to join Luffy, and more than that, it just doesn't seem right. I highly doubt it will happen in any of the possible ways.
Second thing, you forgot about another parameter in the global conflict. Yes, it's a decleration of war against WB, yes it's calling WB for the attack => Marines have the advantage, and WB will most likely won't have any help from the other Yonkous. Or will he?
Shanks was more than concerend about Ace chasing BB, and he even confronted WB himself about this matter. I don't think it's impossible for him to join the fight, but the only cons. I see against it is that WB will probably won't allow it because of his high pride.

Well, just my 2 cents.
Thanks for the awesome review! :D
~Absolutio.

True Blade
June 01, 2008, 02:23 PM
Excellent review as always sahugani. We all know Oda has something against killing off characters in One Piece, so I actually think it would be quite possible that the first "good guy" killed in current time would be either Luffy's awesome big bro, Ace, or the Strongest Man in the World Whitebeard. All the more terrifying if Whitebeard is killed by Blackbeard, then we have to wonder just how powerful Blackbeard REALLY is... but then again, this is Oda we're talking about, so any theory is as likely as the next.

sahugani
June 01, 2008, 02:41 PM
@conan - glad to see you back. regarding Ace, it really is way to early to accurately predict anything that will be happening on this front. all we can do is throw out or ideas and see what sticks. if anything does happen with the Strawhats reacting to the Ace situation, it won't happen for a while anyways. i think of Ace as Luffy's most prominant link to the New World and the global conflict. sure he has Shanks and Garp, but we can't expect a Shanks meeting till near the end and Garp is a marine, so he's connected to the wrong side of the conflict for Luffy. Ace is the one left as the key to entering Luffy into the global conflict. that is why the most likely scenario i see is Luffy eventually going to save Ace and witnessing his brother's death. as you said, Oda can use Ace's situation for so many things and i believe that will be the greatest of them. the ally theory is one i like and needed a lot of explaining, but i agree its unlikely

@Absolutio - as i said above, i agree the joining theory its unlikely and am more inclined to believe that Luffy witnesses the execution. i just like the idea of an eventual recruit that is intimately associated with the global conflict and Ace is a good choice for that. regarding the possibility of Shanks helping, Whitebeard has already made his stance clear to Shanks regarding interference with matters of his crew. this is an injustice that he must solve and he won't allow Shanks to help. i do believe that Shanks will end up helping, but it will be in the shadows so that outwardly it still seems like Whitebeard is fighting the government alone. the government used Ace as a lure not expecting that Shanks would have an interest and so their thought was that they would be taking on Whitebeard alone and have the advantage. Shanks will be fighting, but his efforts will be secret from Whitebeard, the government, and us for quite a while

@True Blade - i agree completely that if Oda is going to start killing characters, Ace and Whitebeard are at this point the two top possibilities due the tremendous impact it would have on the story. if one of these deaths does happen though, it will not be for a while. also, if Whitebeard is killed, i'd bet money that Blackbeard would be the one to do it

MAX_COLA_POWER!
June 01, 2008, 03:26 PM
Hi everyone, new member^^, yoroshku onegai-shimasu(correct me if I got it wrong). I agree with Sahugani about Ace joining. Two D.'s may very well be enough to beat Teach. Also, ACE IS A FRIGGIN' LOGIA FRUIT USER!, It's about time we get one for the straw hats, just to fill in the void that 3 paramecias and 1 zoan leave.

bittman
June 01, 2008, 05:59 PM
I didn't say it in my comments, but my long-term prediction is that Whitebeard will die (he's old and seemingly on constant medical attention, so even Oda can kill him off without feeling too bad) and Ace will take over the Whitebeard pirates who will most likely just become a shadow of their former selves.

Good comments as always.

Navid.
June 01, 2008, 06:58 PM
Nice Review as always Sahugani. :)

I'll only comment on the issue of Ace's execution and wether I believe Luffy & co will intervene in said execution or not. Personally I don't believe Luffy and his crew will, first of all hear about this event until the end of the arc and secondly Luffy will insist that this isn't his fight to take part in.

The thinking behind this is because Luffy knows Ace better than arguably anyone, and he also knows that ace has nakama that he believe's in and that believe in him. We have already seen Luffy find out about Ace's capture and then later on find out that his health/life is slowly being put out via the paper Ace gave him.

Yet both times, while worried about his brother, he has known that this isn't his fight, and that Ace wouldnt want him to interfere. My best bet is that this wont change and he will leave the task up to Ace's own nakama.

I think what Zoro said back during the end of the Water 7 arc holds true when trying to figure out how the Monkey family will react to this news... And the bottom line is none of them are kids playing around, they have all made their choices in life fully knowing the path they have taken and the consequences that their choice might bring with it.


Hmm, didnt mean to go on that much, so I'll shut up now. All I'll add is that Oda and One Piece seem to go from strength to strength and I can only dream of the future events still to come...

...roll on the good times. :D

Raysen_ht
June 01, 2008, 08:12 PM
great review!!
Dont u think those coffee monkey are minkmen??
IMO the Smiley is not exclusive to DoFlamingo, i think it relates to
the "new age" and those who believe in it!
About the coming war I agree that Shanks might help WB from the shadows and that the SH will stay away from it
Drake looked like an Awesome pirate this chapter

TZ4R4X
June 01, 2008, 08:15 PM
would luffy be considered longarms, longlegs and snakenecks since he could strecth his body?
[hr]
almost forgot. Great review and keep it up!!!

conan
June 03, 2008, 05:54 PM
well I did kind of like the way you puti it, about ace being the link to the open world, I had the same feeling when we first met ace and he thought to himself "come to the piarates summit luffy, I'll be waiting for you there" in arabasta, I had the feeling ace would be the link for the straw hats to the new world, I also think saving ace could prevent a war between the strawhats and the whitebeard crew, since they have the same aim they would have probably clashed but this would prolong it in a way that would perserve the relation ship between the crews as rivals aiming for the top, well thats just me thinking aloud again, and its like you said, it might stick or it could fall and something else happens.

omni-giri
June 05, 2008, 03:08 PM
i know i'm kinda late but i just reread the chapter where we first meet donflamigo and he said business at home was booming....you think marketing humans is his business, because of the smilies. the one on the curtain/wall is the same as don's (the smilie not the extra stuff around it) and the evil doctor guy's has little markings...idk whats up with him, but i just thought i would share my thoughts

Imitorar
June 05, 2008, 06:36 PM
You know, everyone keeps saying that Doflamingo said "Business at home is booming...", so that can imply that the business he was referring to was the Sabaody slave trade, but there's a problem with that... He said "The business of liberating islands" (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/06/) was going well. NOT the slave trade, or some mysterious unnamed business. The similarity of the symbols doesn't imply anything about Doflamingo being in control of the Sabaody slave trade. I still say it's either the "Roger's smile" Peace Main vs. Morganeer theory, or some unexplained ideology, but that last bit is just my opinion.

EDIT: That's Null's translation, which implies that Doflamingo was stopping the Revolutionaries from liberating World Government controlled islands. Stephen, however, translates it in a way which implies that Doflamingo was referring to some sort of pirate business of his own, which may in fact be the slave trade on Sabaody, but as I said before, I doubt one person controls the whole slave industry on the Sabaody Islands, and I still think that the symbol is about the type of pirate a person is, rather then specific to Doflamingo and necessitating a connection between him and the slave traders on Grove 1. I'm not sure how Kaizoku translated it, I'm downloading the episode now.

And as to the other bit of proof, Bellamy's statement that "the Straw Hats might reach Doflamingo's position at the rate they were going" (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/303/08/) (that was paraphrased), Null translates it that way, but Stephen translates it as Bellamy talking about HIMSELF and his OWN desire to become as powerful and influential as Doflamingo someday. Again, I'm not sure how Kaizoku translated the line, I'm working on getting the episode now.

EDIT 2: Kaizoku's translation of the conversation between Doflamingo and Sengoku matches Stephen's translation. Meaning that there IS a possibility that Doflamingo is related to the slave trade on the Sabaody Islands. However, I am still inclined to doubt it, since I believe that the symbol refers to what type of pirate one is, as well as the fact that it's too early for another Shichibukai, the wrong time for Doflamingo (if ANY Shichibukai shows up in this saga, it should be Jimbei, and Jimbei AND Doflamingo after Moria AND Kuma doing something would be WAY too much) and the symbols don't match perfectly anyway, plus, Sengoku said Doflamingo was PIRATING, not slave trading. I admit, the two are related, but in light of the other points I mentioned, I don't think that this is Doflamingo's personal slave auction. I think he has different business on a different island, and the symbols just match because Doflamingo and the slave traders subscribe to a similar, Morganeer-type ideology.

sahugani
June 05, 2008, 07:53 PM
sorry it took a while to respond to all these

@MAX_COLA_POWER! - as i said, i'm not convinced myself that Ace joining will happen, but i do reserve it as a fair possibility. if he does board the Sunny though, Luffy would need to prove he has surpassed his brother's logia power since the logias Luffy beat before were unique cases. either that or Ace would only be a temporary ally like Vivi

@bittman - while i do see either Ace or Whitebeard being the first true death in the series outside of a flashback, i don't see Ace simply taking Whitebeard's mantle as captain should the old guy die. it is more likely that the crew would be effectively disbanded and Ace would hunt down the killer (Blackbeard probably) by himself while the other 2 Whitebeard commanders led their own divisions to do the same thing

@Navid - i see what you are saying about Luffy respecting Ace's own journey and even if Luffy does hear this by the end of the arc, it won't get Luffy to rush off immediately. however, i think that eventually, we will get an Ace rescue arc or something of the sort because the evidence i see all points to it. as i said, i think of Ace as Luffy's link to the global conflict and as such, the event that brings the Strawhat crew into this arena must involve Ace in some major way be it his death or whatever (and Luffy must see the events firsthand to really drive in the emotional weight of it). in addition, Oda put in Luffy's hands a paper that both lets him know when Ace is near death and is a compass that leads right to him. this tool has to be used in the story at some point

@Raysen_ht - that could have something to do with the smileys that keep popping up. it may just be coincidence until Oda decides to let us know more about the New World. and yes, Drake did look awesome this chapter

@TZ4R4X - that sounds like it should be a SBS question for Oda. i do want to see the races we have not yet been shown (snakenecks must look freaky). i'm surprised the list didn't include sub-giants (i don't think they have an official name) like Whitebeard, Duval, and Kuma who are all at least three times normal human height.

@conan - i've never thought of the Strawhats fighting the Whitebeard pirates due to them not being evil. however, there is also the rivalry of having the same goal that you mentioned, so there must be some act that makes this clash not happen. either the Strawhats do something (most likely revolving around Ace) that gains the respect of the Whitebeard pirates or by the time the two crews would have met, Whitebeard has already been defeated or killed, thus disbanding the crew for a while at least

@omni-giri - certainly an intriguing and possible theory, though as Imi points out, it does not seem like he was referring to this business when he said that. while the similarities between Doflamingo, Law, and the auction house seem slightly too much of a coincidence, i will at least say with a decent amount of certainty that if there is a connection, it will not be very relevant to the events of this arc. since we just went through a lot of Shichibukai stuff, i don't think entering Donflamingo into the equation at this point is very likely. after the arc is over though and if Oda does decide to make the smiley face a standard of Donflamingo, we may get to see him reappear to overlook the damage to the slave trade and/or Law and remind us that he is still a mysterious figure in the One Piece world

@Imitorar - i agree that Doflamingo's comment was not related in any way to the slave trade since as you pointed out, it is in reference to "liberating" islands. from that term, the way Sengoku reacts to Doflamingo's use of it, and the context of his appearance on Jaya a while back, i get the sense that Doflamingo is one of the more mobile Shichibukai. Crocodile and Moria rooted themselves to a location to do their jobs, Kuma sticks around HQ waiting for orders, and Mihawk just wanders around and does his job if he feels like it. i get the sense that Doflamingo goes around and "liberates" islands that have not yet allied with the World Government or have joined Dragon's rebellion. his ability is perfectly suited to start riots and chaos within hostile governments that the World Government can then either "save" or preemptively strike. anyways, back to the smiley. as i said, if it is connected to Donflamingo, it won't matter for this arc at least. i am more inclined to believe that it is unrelated though and that it is simply a general symbol that all three parties took independently.