Naruto Volume 44 (Ch. 403-412) Discussion

[Hrathgrath]

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i hope kakashi's father, konoha's white fang becomes a part of the storyline, well at least a bit of back story

Not to mention the fact that he's dead...

[chess4]

KINDA OFF SUBJECT.........i was palying around on the net and somewhere it said that ninja derived from goblins or the tengu. in the narutoverse it says that rokudou sennin (the only other person to have the rinnegan) is the father of the modern ninja. i think he will eventually be involved more in the story. the only picture shown of him he seems to look some type of monster, does anyone have any thoughts?
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Not to mention the fact that he's dead...

so was the 1st hokage, 2nd hokage, and madara was thought to be dead but they have made appearances SO.......and usually when kishi throws a name out there they make an appearance, i guess that means you think the 4th wont show his face either

[Hrathgrath]

[QUOTE=chess4;984878
so was the 1st hokage, 2nd hokage, and madara was thought to be dead but they have made appearances SO.......and usually when kishi throws a name out there they make an appearance, i guess that means you think the 4th wont show his face either[/QUOTE]

correct but for a different but similar reason, his soul is trapped forever in the aftermath of his last jutsu

[makko]

ok... another plot-hole. karin can heal if sasuke bites into her.
where was the biting after deidara or itachi?
i mean... seriously.. come on- this is pure evidence of sasuke worship. every other medical nin takes forever to heal like sakura for e.g., but karin is like bite me and voila your wounds are closed instantaneously.
and what was the stuff about using lightning internly to avoid fatal wounds... like wtf. yes the swords are metal-- but its the 8 tails for god's sake ... he has to have some strength to worry about meager lightning in the body. and shouldnt lightning kill sasuke's cells?
i know his chakra type is lightn, but its like earth users eating earth without getting explosive diarrhea

I don't remember fully but after the other two fights he wasn't very injured. He was mostly depleted chakra-wise. Even in the Deidara fight he escaped the explosion but barely got hit. He was also almost out of chakra. In this fight he got stabbed in 6 places.

[chess4]

correct but for a different but similar reason, his soul is trapped forever in the aftermath of his last jutsu

i bet kishi has an answer for that. imagine pain and naruto locked in battle, and i may be wrong but i remember someone saying one of pain's ability is he can access the astral plain that is the death gods stomach, so pain takes naruto there, naruto is losing and out of nowhere appears the 4th. naruto and the 4th vs pain. VERY unlikely but hey stranger things have happened

[Spectrum]

This Chapter was very good...

Finally we discovered that Karin have some utility. lol

And Naruto jumping in the frog's oil... He's crazy. xD

The chapter 413 will go very exciting *-*

[PitchBlack857]

i bet kishi has an answer for that. imagine pain and naruto locked in battle, and i may be wrong but i remember someone saying one of pain's ability is he can access the astral plain that is the death gods stomach, so pain takes naruto there, naruto is losing and out of nowhere appears the 4th. naruto and the 4th vs pain. VERY unlikely but hey stranger things have happened

Naw I can't see that going down, and if it did that would pretty lame on Kishi's part. Naruto has been shitted on alot in the manga so hopefully he gets to meet at least one parent , they haven't really said shit about Kushina so there's alot to explore about her character. Im pretty sure she had a boatload of chakra also, especially since her main technique was Kage Bushin.

[Hrathgrath]

i bet kishi has an answer for that. imagine pain and naruto locked in battle, and i may be wrong but i remember someone saying one of pain's ability is he can access the astral plain that is the death gods stomach, so pain takes naruto there, naruto is losing and out of nowhere appears the 4th. naruto and the 4th vs pain. VERY unlikely but hey stranger things have happened

As cool as that sounds, and it is pretty pimp I'll grant you, I don't think thats in the manga. Sounds like a pretty cool video game ending though, but i think it'd push the series a little too much towards the fantastical. :)
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Naw I can't see that going down, and if it did that would pretty lame on Kishi's part. Naruto has been shitted on alot in the manga so hopefully he gets to meet at least one parent , they haven't really said shit about Kushina so there's alot to explore about her character. Im pretty sure she had a boatload of chakra also, especially since her main technique was Kage Bushin.

Did they say that? I know they said they had similar choices of jutsu but saying kage bushin is reaching, not that it's not a neat idea though

[FTWer]

i bet kishi has an answer for that. imagine pain and naruto locked in battle, and i may be wrong but i remember someone saying one of pain's ability is he can access the astral plain that is the death gods stomach, so pain takes naruto there, naruto is losing and out of nowhere appears the 4th. naruto and the 4th vs pain. VERY unlikely but hey stranger things have happened

That was from a fake spoiler.

[PitchBlack857]

Did they say that? I know they said they had similar choices of jutsu but saying kage bushin is reaching, not that it's not a neat idea though

No they didn't say it was Kage Bushin, but they did say her ninjutsu and personality were like Naruto's. Naruto uses 3 jutsu's(I can't think of any others) , Rasengan which is his fathers, Summoning Jutsu which he got from Pervy Sage and Kage Bushin which was more than likely used by his moma.

[Alex_1]

i bet kishi has an answer for that. imagine pain and naruto locked in battle, and i may be wrong but i remember someone saying one of pain's ability is he can access the astral plain that is the death gods stomach, so pain takes naruto there, naruto is losing and out of nowhere appears the 4th. naruto and the 4th vs pain. VERY unlikely but hey stranger things have happened

This came from a false spoiler back in December/November last year. ;)

Anyways one thing I'm still up in the air about is Karin. It was good that she was useful, but I thin it's interesting that she has byakugan abilities... without having the byakugan. Maybe she doesn't have the 360' vision, but with the chakra sensing abilities... I wonder what else she can do.

[rsrl]

maybe she only gives it up for near death situations...and after the deidara and itachi, we didn't really see what happened immediately after (we did kinda with deidara, but anything could have happened from the time they fled the crime scene and when they show them in the room)

yeah sasuke wasnt near death like he was now... he was just tired...and plus he had the white snake powers... which he lacks now

[redhairSH]

ok, this would be a kinda cheap way to win, but couldnt naruto just throw some of that frog oil on his enemies to win? like turn all the peins into frogs and win that way?

[makko]

ok, this would be a kinda cheap way to win, but couldnt naruto just throw some of that frog oil on his enemies to win? like turn all the peins into frogs and win that way?

Nope. You only turn into a frog when you're trying to do Senjutsu. So since Pein isn't doing Senjutsu the oil would just irritate him lol. Also. Even if the Pein DID use Senjutsu, i'm assuming he would be good at it if he was known for it. So he'd be fine either way.

[redhairSH]

Nope. You only turn into a frog when you're trying to do Senjutsu. So since Pein isn't doing Senjutsu the oil would just irritate him lol. Also. Even if the Pein DID use Senjutsu, i'm assuming he would be good at it if he was known for it. So he'd be fine either way.

not really, cause naruto didnt know that the oil was for senjutsu when the oil was put on him, he just started feelin natural energy and started turning into a toad, so the oil makes natural energy flown into anyone who touhces it, but only those who know senjutsu keep from turning into a toad

[bean]

ok, this would be a kinda cheap way to win, but couldnt naruto just throw some of that frog oil on his enemies to win? like turn all the peins into frogs and win that way?

the only drawback would be if pein was actually a master of senjutsu, then naruto would be fuct.


Nope. You only turn into a frog when you're trying to do Senjutsu. So since Pein isn't doing Senjutsu the oil would just irritate him lol. Also. Even if the Pein DID use Senjutsu, i'm assuming he would be good at it if he was known for it. So he'd be fine either way.

the oil allows natural energy to enter your body...it doesn't care if you're trying to do senjutsu or not...that's what happened to naruto the first time he tried it...he wasn't trying to do senjutsu and it started to turn him into a frog.

[Hrathgrath]

not really, cause naruto didnt know that the oil was for senjutsu when the oil was put on him, he just started feelin natural energy and started turning into a toad, so the oil makes natural energy flown into anyone who touhces it, but only those who know senjutsu keep from turning into a toad

I completely agree, but you're right would be a cheap way to win, matter of fact I can see this going down..

Naruto breathing heavily.
Pein: You're coming with me if you want to or not. You have witnessed the six paths of pain and even in your toad form, just like sensei, you are no match for us.
All Peins converge on Naruto's position forming hand seals.
Naruto reaches in his pouch for a kunai and feels the vial of toad oil he used to attract the nature energy for his senjutsu.
Naruto looks suprized and falls down, passed out.
All Peins come within a foot of Naruto. Suddenly Naruto spins around and splashes all 6 peins with toad oil.

Caught off guard they stop doing what they were doing and look at Naruto, a few second pass and they quickly begin turning into frogs.

In the end The Six Toad Memorial for Jiriaya

[Nadim]

I completely agree, but you're right would be a cheap way to win, matter of fact I can see this going down..

Naruto breathing heavily.
Pein: You're coming with me if you want to or not. You have witnessed the six paths of pain and even in your toad form, just like sensei, you are no match for us.
All Peins converge on Naruto's position forming hand seals.
Naruto reaches in his pouch for a kunai and feels the vial of toad oil he used to attract the nature energy for his senjutsu.
Naruto looks suprized and falls down, passed out.
All Peins come within a foot of Naruto. Suddenly Naruto spins around and splashes all 6 peins with toad oil.

Caught off guard they stop doing what they were doing and look at Naruto, a few second pass and they quickly begin turning into frogs.

In the end The Six Toad Memorial for Jiriaya

I hope not, it would be very boring :(
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what's more likely to happen is 2 peins turn into frog and the other 4 get a boost of nature chakra :s

[Boagrious]

Hmm. The only thing Kishi wanted to show us, that I saw is that Sasuke is not all mighty like we thought, and that he has to rely more on the people around him. He is undergoing some change in his attitude, I see that a little.

[WereMongoose]

Sorry for a very late addition to the question as to whether Sasuke stopped using his sharingan.

I did a very close zoom to a panel on page 13 of Sleepy Fans and there were some grey marks on the left eye and a white area toward the right end of the right eye suggesting that he is still using it. The Noizy and Hitsugaara releases are much cleaner and show more definition to the eyes. They also suggest he is still using it. It's hard to draw tomoe that small anyway and who knows what happened during the cleaning process or how dirty the raw was in the first place. Anyone remember when the cleaners put sharingans in Pain's eyes when he did the astral dragon seal thing because the raw was muddy?

[Hemostrat]

yeah sasuke wasnt near death like he was now... he was just tired...and plus he had the white snake powers... which he lacks now


Also, during those two fights he wasn't stabbed. He was out of chakra and passed out each time but he didn't have a hole in him.

[yonjuushichi]

Karin's theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVTN5o9Kgu8

LOL ROTFL Soothing music though :P

I think she is a nymphomaniac, look at the number of bitemarks on her hand! I don't think she would give her healing chakra to anyone, but the ones whom she reckoned 'worth' it :P If you know what I mean.

Shifting the topic, I've got this funny premonition that Fukasaku will tell Naruto something about his father... ;) Something that will give him the edge ;)

[Yannnnnnnnn]

LOL ROTFL Soothing music though :P

I think she is a nymphomaniac, look at the number of bitemarks on her hand! I don't think she would give her healing chakra to anyone, but the ones whom she reckoned 'worth' it :P If you know what I mean.

Shifting the topic, I've got this funny premonition that Fukasaku will tell Naruto something about his father... ;) Something that will give him the edge ;)

this would be awsome,..... something like "at least J-man and your father were more concenrtate..." and naruto reply "you know about my fahter !!!!"
End of the chap !!

but this will never happend i think

[shinobi]

I'd rather naruto learn about his father and mother from kakashi, if not then tsunade or even someone like madara, he'll add his own personal touch to the story, that's of course if he knows about naruto :)

[Fallen.]

I sill don't know how the hell someone hasn't told him about his father yet,maybe that will be in chapter 413 lol , that would be pretty cool for an ending to the chapter.

[Baron Hugenstein]

IMO, it would be funnier if Naruto was facing Madara and Madara told him that "you are your father's son' and would tell him another history lesson.

I guess Naruto will hear it from Kakashi or Tsunade

[shinobi]

I think kishi will save naruto's story for the next arc, there are many things happening right now, and this must be long and important story in the manga that deserves full concentration.
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I can imagine madara playing with words and naruto's shocked face, who knows perhaps he'll try to turn him against konoha too.

[Andonan]

Well I really doubt that this fight will finish anytime soon. But I don't get how Sakura and Kakashi can get the attention they were promised. Unless they team up to try and take pein. You know "we'll never tell you where he is, we're team 7 feel our wrath ahahahaha"

[Csdabest]

lol I can actually see Madara trying to turn Naruto. He'll be the one to tell him who his father is. Be like Konoha killed your father. Sacraficed him to save their lives. and all this bs. and try and tell them Danzo and the Elders did it

[shinobi]

lol, another sasuke! I think it's more like somebody in konoha has something to do with the destruction of the whirlpool country and his mam's disappearance. but most likely the story wont go this way, I'm waiting for naruto learning some of his father's jutsu after that.

[xZerapHx]

the teleportation would be usefull for like..... make him seem like he's strong again now we've seen o much sasuke i'm sick of it....

lets get naruto a total ownage fight for once (i DON'T count kakuzu, he was dumb for getting into that obvious decoy)

[THETRUTH.com]

Naruto is Konoha. I don't think it is possible for any enemy to turn Naruto against Konoha.

I think kishi is really trying to get across that Sasuke is not the same and he is not just showing us using the Hachibi fight but also through Naruto's training. Check this page and think about Sasuke's development. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/011/

"True strength comes from hard training." Fukasaku

Right now "Pa" is the voice of righteousness in the series. He is "THETRUTH":) what he says is damn near law, at least that's the way I see it. If you consider the timing of this comment and how we see Sasuke currently being handled by Hachibi. Combined with the knowledge Hachibi trains all the time(just check his technique&Suigetsu's comments). I believe Fukasaku's statement could be easily applied to Sasuke judging by how most of Sasuke's current power-ups came. Kishi seems to be going back to his hard work theme seen more in part 1.

[chess4]

naruto has itachi's little gift, plus he is being trained in the legendary art of senjutsu, by one of the toad sages himself, pa toad. he also has the 9 tails inside him, not to mention his father is the 4th hokage (though he doesnt know that yet).

Sasuke has the mangekyou sharingan, he has access to his brothers eyes, so he can obtain eternal mangekyou sharingan if he wanted, he (i think) is going to obtain the power of the 8 tails, and he is being mentored by the strongest uchiha to date, in madara uchiha.

naruto and sasuke both have the potential and the instructor to go to that next level, well what about sakura. she was trained by a sannin just like sasuke and naruto, but they both have teachers who are better the the legendary 3. there is only so much sakura can learn from tsuande, medical ninjutsu, super strength, and hopefully slug summoning(which i am almost sure she learned).

kishi did say in an interview she would get a lot of facetime this year, and also that he would be introducing a new stong female character. tsuande's time is fast approaching in my book, so i hope that new female character gives sakura some pointers cause she going to need it

[bean]

just want to say that naruto's father being the 4th hokage has nothing really to do with what naruto has (that is, his father could have been anyone and he'd still be the same, assuming he was still the kyuubi container)...so far, he's nothing really like his father. Unless he gets such a huge chakra pool because his father had one, they're nothing alike.

[Mythsoul]

I agree with Bean....Naruto is know for his versatility with his KB's ...his father was known for his speed....naruto is slow..as of now....let's see how he comes out after he masters Senjutsu.....

but I wouldn't mind Naruto learning some of his fathers jutsu...and to get some of his coolness.....Minatos coolness....and Jiraiya pimp status...hehe.....

[THETRUTH.com]

I understand why people are tired of KBs because Naruto uses them so much. But everyone still should realize that KBs can never be ignored. They are not simply decoy. They have attack ability. No one can ignore them or they could suffer the same result but with a KB delivering the blow.

[chess4]

just want to say that naruto's father being the 4th hokage has nothing really to do with what naruto has (that is, his father could have been anyone and he'd still be the same, assuming he was still the kyuubi container)...so far, he's nothing really like his father. Unless he gets such a huge chakra pool because his father had one, they're nothing alike.

the reason i sasid that is brcause j man told him that all great ninja are linked way or another, and when eventually finds out who his father is, it will give him more detemination to be better than his father who considered the greatest ninja ever to come from konoha.

[Mythsoul]

Narutos Kb's ..are the best jutsu for him....for training....spying...scouting...battle experience..and bait....as he used it agasint Kakuzu...and now...their even helping him train on Senjutsu...the only draw back to that ...is that his teacher.....Pa...can't handle more than 4 at a time....if not he would get more experience alot more faster......

[bean]

the reason i sasid that is brcause j man told him that all great ninja are linked way or another, and when eventually finds out who his father is, it will give him more detemination to be better than his father who considered the greatest ninja ever to come from konoha.
when did jiraiya say that to him?

but the way you're listing things, it has to be something that is an actual benefit to him. Like, you could say sasuke is an uchiha and that carries weight because the uchiha's carry a bloodline limit...saying he's the 4th's son doesn't really do anything for him...asuma was the 3rds son, and that didn't make him any better.
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Narutos Kb's ..are the best jutsu for him....for training....spying...scouting...battle experience..and bait....as he used it agasint Kakuzu...and now...their even helping him train on Senjutsu...the only draw back to that ...is that his teacher.....Pa...can't handle more than 4 at a time....if not he would get more experience alot more faster......
here's a plot hole: why wouldn't naruto make a shitload of KBs, like one to two hundred, where one half tries senjutsu, and the other half are KBs with the club (I'm assuming that if you make a kagebunshin of yourself holding the club, the KB gets the club as well) that way he can whack himself if he turns into a frog...pa frog can just go around putting oil on people.

[makko]

not really, cause naruto didnt know that the oil was for senjutsu when the oil was put on him, he just started feelin natural energy and started turning into a toad, so the oil makes natural energy flown into anyone who touhces it, but only those who know senjutsu keep from turning into a toad


the only drawback would be if pein was actually a master of senjutsu, then naruto would be fuct.

the oil allows natural energy to enter your body...it doesn't care if you're trying to do senjutsu or not...that's what happened to naruto the first time he tried it...he wasn't trying to do senjutsu and it started to turn him into a frog.

Ahh, completely missed that. good looks

[chess4]

[QUOTE=b e a n;985422]when did jiraiya say that to him?

but the way you're listing things, it has to be something that is an actual benefit to him. Like, you could say sasuke is an uchiha and that carries weight because the uchiha's carry a bloodline limit...saying he's the 4th's son doesn't really do anything for him...asuma was the 3rds son, and that didn't make him any better.


you are correct but asuma's goal was not to be the greastest hokage like naruto. naruto has a one track mind and his one goal in life is to be the greatest hokage, and in naruto's eyes, as far as hokages go, who is the gold standard, the 4th hokage. when naruto finds out that the 4th was not only a great ninja but his father, he will have some connection to him. now he will feel like he is not only trying to be hokage, but to carry on his father's name as the savior of konoha
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SIDENOTE
i always wondered why j man sported a headband with the word oil on it, instead of the traditional leaf headband, i guess is because of the senjutsu training he went through with the oil, and he wanted to represent the frog clan

[makko]

just want to say that naruto's father being the 4th hokage has nothing really to do with what naruto has (that is, his father could have been anyone and he'd still be the same, assuming he was still the kyuubi container)...so far, he's nothing really like his father. Unless he gets such a huge chakra pool because his father had one, they're nothing alike.

You def have a point. Although, he has some really good traits as a Ninja that might be his fathers. Even the frog said that Naruto has that smile of hard training only like the previous Hokages. Naruto is a genius in hard work and training. I doubt he will ever do something like what Sasuke did with his sword vs Deidara but he is impressive. He does have abnormal Chakra just like his teacher Jaraiya. I'm guessing he gets it from his father/mother. I THINK it was mentioned that he has a similar sense of humor. Plus we really dont know much about the 4th until they go into the flashbacks hard core.

[Black Thought]

You def have a point. Although, he has some really good traits as a Ninja that might be his fathers. Even the frog said that Naruto has that smile of hard training only like the previous Hokages. Naruto is a genius in hard work and training. I doubt he will ever do something like what Sasuke did with his sword vs Deidara but he is impressive. He does have abnormal Chakra just like his teacher Jaraiya. I'm guessing he gets it from his father/mother. I THINK it was mentioned that he has a similar sense of humor. Plus we really dont know much about the 4th until they go into the flashbacks hard core.

Agreed. Naruto is a beast in his own way. People act like Sasuke so much more powerful than Naruto, but they fail to realize the enormous chakra reserves he has. So what Sasuke made the Kyuubi sit? That was BS to me because Naruto was already trying to hold the KB back. Now I don't know what would happen because of Sasuke's MS, but whatever the case I think in the next chapter we're going to see the eight tails final blade, Sasuke might try to use Amaterasu or something and we'll get a few more panels of Naruto training. I really think just like his father he'll have a perfect transformation, after all it only took him a week or something like that to perfect the Rasengan, which took his father three years to do so.

[makko]

Did anyone point this out already but in upper left it looks like Sasuke has MS or Sharingan on.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-412/page003.html

might just be the angle though.

[Kaijuu]

here's a plot hole: why wouldn't naruto make a shitload of KBs, like one to two hundred, where one half tries senjutsu, and the other half are KBs with the club (I'm assuming that if you make a kagebunshin of yourself holding the club, the KB gets the club as well) that way he can whack himself if he turns into a frog...pa frog can just go around putting oil on people.
It could be this club is only able to knock out the natural energy if someone uses it who can control natural energy^^

[bean]

Did anyone point this out already but in upper left it looks like Sasuke has MS or Sharingan on.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-412/page003.html

might just be the angle though.
looks like a normal one...he had that on when the hachibi stabbed him.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-412/page001.html

see, and if you go to the previous chapter you'll see when he first turned it on.

[patedecarne]

Yes, Sasuke had the Sharingan activated by the time he was attacked by Hachibi; that's why I think now Sasuke must rely on Ninjutsu and Taijutsu over sharingan;

Probably with this chapter Kishimoto wants to shows that sharingan isn't the solution for all the problems, because until now, a strong opponent was able to easily pummel a sharingan user;

[bean]

It could be this club is only able to knock out the natural energy if someone uses it who can control natural energy^^
then couldn't naruto share his chakra so pa can make his own KB's like when he shared his chakra (or jutsu) to turn gamabunta into the kyuubi?

[makko]

You know what else has me thinking. Itachi says that Madara can control the Bijuu like a pet. So naturally that will be one of Sasuke's goals. Now if Sasuke or Madara fight Naruto: we all think it might not be a big deal cause by then Naruto would have shut down the 9tail or just not use him. But what if Madara or Sasuke have the ability to get the 9tail to emerge IN Naruto. For example if Naruto is under control and fighting well; has the 9tails chakra under control (maybe even using a bit of it)... Can Madara or Sasuke potential tell the Bijuu to got crazy. hmmmm

[bean]

Yes, Sasuke had the Sharingan activated by the time he was attacked by Hachibi; that's why I think now Sasuke must rely on Ninjutsu and Taijutsu over sharingan;

Probably with this chapter Kishimoto wants to shows that sharingan isn't the solution for all the problems, because until now, a strong opponent was able to easily pummel a sharingan user;
BUT...so far sasuke hasn't been using the sharingan how it's supposed to be used.

[makko]

looks like a normal one...he had that on when the hachibi stabbed him.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-412/page001.html

see, and if you go to the previous chapter you'll see when he first turned it on.

Wow... what is wrong with this kid. The 8tail def has some talent that is allowing him to do this. Last time he got it like this was vs Rock Lee lol.

[Alex_1]

No idea when Naruto's parents will be mentioned but I do think that once he meets Pein, some information about his mother might be leaked.

[makko]

Yes, Sasuke had the Sharingan activated by the time he was attacked by Hachibi; that's why I think now Sasuke must rely on Ninjutsu and Taijutsu over sharingan;

Probably with this chapter Kishimoto wants to shows that sharingan isn't the solution for all the problems, because until now, a strong opponent was able to easily pummel a sharingan user;

For sure... Maybe the 8tail is a Senjutsu user. Sharingan def isn't the answer. Madara was defeated by the first and the 4th. Well the 4th mostly stopped his plan... but who knows. Maybe they did fight and its coming in a flashback.
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BUT...so far sasuke hasn't been using the sharingan how it's supposed to be used.

Don't know what it is but something has def got into Sasuke. Lol he should know how to use the Sharingan by now sheesh. Something major better come out of this.

[patedecarne]

Well, for what I can see, Hachibi didn't give any chances/room for a sharingan skill; of course the MS could give some advantage to Sasuke, but at least the normal sharingan won't stand a chance against Hachibi;




No idea when Naruto's parents will be mentioned but I do think that once he meets Pein, some information about his mother might be leaked.

you know, Kushina must be mentioned at some point on Narutoverse, and that's why: She only appeared on a few panels when Jiraya was about the die, and probably so many people already have forgotten about her, mainly because Kushina was never mentioned after that event; but we need to know exactly what happened to her in the past. Was she killed on the kyuubi attack? I highly doubt it, otherwise Tsunade or Jiraya would mentioned her death;

and more importantly, I think Konoha doesn't know her whereabouts, if they knew, then Naruto would be under his mother's arms after the attack, not under Konoha's protection;

And when we mix all these ingredients, we can expect some twist involving Kushina and Naruto, that's what I'm hoping now...

[bean]

Well, for what I can see, Hachibi didn't give any chances/room for a sharingan skill; of course the MS could give some advantage to Sasuke, but at least the normal sharingan won't stand a chance against Hachibi


um...before the fight even started, sasuke stood infront of the guy with plenty of time to do whatever. He even attacked first and the hachibi played a defensive role. He's really only made one offensive attack, but to say he never gave the sharingan a chance is a little off. Sasuke hasn't given the sharingan a chance, and the one time he did, it was a bit too late (maybe it helped him survive the stabs)

[Lockdog]

omg i was just wondering now, read along some manga chapters just for refreshing purposes, and saw kurenai has the same rin'negan eyes as pein, wtf?

dno what to think, but it wasnt mentioned anywhere whats with her eyes

[bean]

omg i was just wondering now, read along some manga chapters just for refreshing purposes, and saw kurenai has the same rin'negan eyes as pein, wtf?

dno what to think, but it wasnt mentioned anywhere whats with her eyes
they're not the same..she just has a ring around her pupil, if I remember correctly, while pein has like 5+

[Black Thought]

What I don't understand is why doesn't Sasuke just Amaterasu the guy. It can't be that hard can it? And we saw from his fight with Itachi that you can turn the black flames off to save whatever you need. So, if Kishi is still into showing Sasuke is uber strong he'll have him just Amaterasu him and walk away with the Hachibi on his back, like.... -winner- :D

[bean]

I guess sasuke wants to do it the hard way.

[dragon2021]

Well, for what I can see, Hachibi didn't give any chances/room for a sharingan skill; of course the MS could give some advantage to Sasuke, but at least the normal sharingan won't stand a chance against Hachibi;





you know, Kushina must be mentioned at some point on Narutoverse, and that's why: She only appeared on a few panels when Jiraya was about the die, and probably so many people already have forgotten about her, mainly because Kushina was never mentioned after that event; but we need to know exactly what happened to her in the past. Was she killed on the kyuubi attack? I highly doubt it, otherwise Tsunade or Jiraya would mentioned her death;

and more importantly, I think Konoha doesn't know her whereabouts, if they knew, then Naruto would be under his mother's arms after the attack, not under Konoha's protection;

And when we mix all these ingredients, we can expect some twist involving Kushina and Naruto, that's what I'm hoping now...

I think he did have time at the very begining and even later when he was on the ground and he attcked again. He just didi not use it.

As far as kashina, I think some information may be leaked in the fight. However, I think that something like this will come from different sources. I personaly think that it might require a journey to lets say what was the whirpool village for Naruto to realy understand his background. That sounds like something Kishi would do.;)

[bean]

why would kushina info be leaked in a pein vs naruto fight?

[makko]

What I don't understand is why doesn't Sasuke just Amaterasu the guy. It can't be that hard can it? And we saw from his fight with Itachi that you can turn the black flames off to save whatever you need. So, if Kishi is still into showing Sasuke is uber strong he'll have him just Amaterasu him and walk away with the Hachibi on his back, like.... -winner- :D

He wouldn't use MS right off the bat. He is at a HUGE chakra disadvantage. Also judging by how Hachibi moved so quickly, he can dodge Amaterasu or evade it. I think he's had plenty of time to use MS or Sharingan. He probably has tried. Something about the 8tail is not making it affective.


I guess sasuke wants to do it the hard way.

The 8tail has an ability. I think he is trying. Something is off about the 8 tail. We've already established that his previous opponents were at some disadvantage or didn't want to kill him. Even with Deidara he was protect by the wing which he no longer has. This is a combination of Sasuke being weaker with no CS... and knowing nothing about the 8tail. His MS should make up for that but what if the 8tail power is a perfect defense for MS etc. lol or maybe he's just 15 and got MS yesterday and doesn't know how to use it. Like remember when Itachi and Kisame were about to fight Asuma and Gai. Itachi told Kisame not to take Gai lightly. This is while Gai said he knew how to fight the Sharingan etc. Gai seemed fine about fighting Itachi. After that Itachi decided to leave. So its possible this 8tail just has one up on anything Sasuke is gonna do.

[Kaijuu]

Well, I think we should make it easy... Sasuke knows about the side-effect of Mangekyou Sharingan and because he doesn't want to take Itachis eyes (at least not in the moment), of course he won't use it that easily...

[nat]

True, the MS uses a lot of Chakra and 8 tails is very strong, if Sasuke uses MS and misses the he will be out of Stamina...X.X

[bean]

well, he has encountered itachi a few times, and with the exception of their last encounterd, sasuke's sharingan should have picked up itachi's run no jutsu. If the MS fails, he has three people to help him retreat if he needs to...granted, alone neither of the three are kisame, but together they should add up to one.

[nat]

Oh yes, the famous art-of-run. I missed that....
But if they piss 8 tails off , he won't let them just say bye and run...He will beat the crap out of them and then beat them again....

Though it is interesting that he showed no knowledge of what Akatsuki is, and I think he doesn't care who Uchiha is either...Maybe the Sharingan might prove to work on him if used correctly...


Or not, means Taka are doomed until the plot no jutsu kicks in:D

[bean]

well, he did repeat akatsuki, and when I saw that I assumed that he at least has heard of them...maybe when they took the nibi he got word of it.

[nat]

But not like the Suna people "ZOMG,BBQ, Akatsuki, black cloak, red clouds, shoot on sight" kind of thing. Even if they were warned by Konoha...

He started rapping, a Ninja to respect....seriously

[UchihaMadara]

It could be something simple like the Black Goggles over his eyes prevent sasuke from making Eye contact and therefor he cant use his eye techniques.

What annoys me about these chapters lately is there not bringing Naruto up to Sasuke's level it just seems like there dropping Sasuke back down to Naruto's.

[WereMongoose]

It could be something simple like the Black Goggles over his eyes prevent sasuke from making Eye contact and therefor he cant use his eye techniques.

Completely agree. If Sasuke can't confirm whether or not Hachibi is even looking in his eyes, it would be a total waste to attempt eye jutsus. Not to mention I figure the only techniques that can subdue him would have to be at an uber pwnage level considering the fact he hasn't even used the beast's power at all.

Right now, I don't see Hachibi man going down without his own consent. Hell, maybe he might make himself get caught and impart his rap of living life to Sasuke. The power of rap yo!

However, I don't think Kishimoto is downgrading Sasuke right now. Let's look at his fights shall we. Battle of wills with creepy man with his body rejecting him, check! Fight against one of the lamest members of Akatsuki that lost both of his arms which then had to be sewed back on and had an elemental affinity that he couldn't fight without that was a huge advantage to Sasuke, check! Fight against a brother who is terminally ill, going blind, and wants Sasuke to win anyway, check!

[gold349]

Well, I think we should make it easy... Sasuke knows about the side-effect of Mangekyou Sharingan and because he doesn't want to take Itachis eyes (at least not in the moment), of course he won't use it that easily...


I agree with what your saying but if any situation called for him to spark 1 of the Ms jutsu then www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/002 it was there, to avoid Mr Hosts final blow he put his arm up (if that was going to stop it?, not a chance in hell). Although I like you think that he is holding back on using MS freely due to its negative effects, he shouldn't be taking it this easy with hachibi. If any fights require him not to think of the negative effects of using MS then this fight should be one of them.

[nat]

Imagine Sasuke rapping, hahahahahhahah Forget about EMS that is worse, much worse...Thank you for the post WereMongoose. But maybe Madara does a better job.


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Whatever it is, Madara seemed so convinced that Taka will succeed means that there is still some OMG trump card that they will use. And not only MS. If not, I want to see him waltz in and fight Hachibi.

Madara has to fight sooner or later

[bean]

I agree with what your saying but if any situation called for him to spark 1 of the Ms jutsu then www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/002 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/002) it was there, to avoid Mr Hosts final blow he put his arm up (if that was going to stop it?, not a chance in hell). Although I like you think that he is holding back on using MS freely due to its negative effects, he shouldn't be taking it this easy with hachibi. If any fights require him not to think of the negative effects of using MS then this fight should be one of them.


you're making a whole lot of sense here. That's why I feel sasuke is heavily out of character in this fight. He's getting beat around and for the most part allowing it.

He's fighting like a gennin in the sense that he's sticking to basics rather than what he's really capable of. Since he first appeared in part two, his fights have always shown him to be a few steps of his opponents, but he seems so unprepared and clueless in this fight...definitely not the genius that kishi was making him out to be.

There should be no reason that the MS hasn't been used yet, and with his cs gone, he can't just take hits like he used to...and if the sunglasses were the one thing holding him back from it, then he's had enough chances to snatch them off his face, burn them into his face, whatever, and all he's done is fall on the floor and become some uselss defenseless biotch.

[WereMongoose]

Imagine Sasuke rapping, hahahahahhahah...Thank you for the post WereMongoose. But maybe Madara does a better job.

Whatever it is, Madara seemed so convinced that Taka will succeed means that there is still some OMG trup card that they will use. And not only MS. If not, I want to see him waltz in and fight Hachibi.

Madara has to fight sooner or later

At this point I think Madara's real goal is to get Sasuke to rely on his MS, and therefore take Itachi's eyes. That or he will come to the rescue, which would be cool because I want to see Madara in action. Note to Kishimoto, show us the full 1st vs. Madara fight at some point! That one page teaser looked epic.

[patedecarne]

I think Madara is making a big mistake about thinking that Sasuke will capture Hachibi: think about this as a comparison:
It's the same as I talk to friend and say that he's defeat an unknown opponent; I don't have any further information about the enemy, then how can I say that my friend will defeat him?

And with the last chapter, I'm sure the Sasuke's launching will be a decisive move: Hachibi will use his ougi, and Sasuke will fight directly, but depending of Hachibi's ougi, Sasuke will be on some kind of defenseless position, totally vulnerable to any kind of attack...

And I'm sure those weird glasses are important, otherwise, why to show an opponent wth such glasses?

[WereMongoose]

you're making a whole lot of sense here. That's why I feel sasuke is heavily out of character in this fight. He's getting beat around and for the most part allowing it.

He's fighting like a gennin in the sense that he's sticking to basics rather than what he's really capable of. Since he first appeared in part two, his fights have always shown him to be a few steps of his opponents, but he seems so unprepared and clueless in this fight...definitely not the genius that kishi was making him out to be.

There should be no reason that the MS hasn't been used yet...and if the sunglasses were the one thing holding him back from it, then he's had enough chances to snatch them off his face, burn them into his face, whatever, and all he's done is fall on the floor and become some uselss defenseless biotch.

Read my previous post. Sasuke in part two has had huge, battle winning advantages. Deidara stood no chance when all he can use is earth element bombs against Sasuke's chidori. And Itachi wanted to lose anyway, and was holding back enough so that he would draw out Orochimaru but still keep Sasuke alive!

And there are two reasons MS shouldn't be used. Chakra drain and blindness. There hasn't really been a moment Sasuke could even grab Hachibi's shades anyway with all the twirly, unpredictable seven swords action, and if he did I figure the Hachibi would tear his heart out on the spot for ruining his gangsta ninja look.
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I think Madara is making a big mistake about thinking that Sasuke will capture Hachibi: think about this as a comparison:
It's the same as I talk to friend and say that he's defeat an unknown opponent; I don't have any further information about the enemy, then how can I say that my friend will defeat him?

And with the last chapter, I'm sure the Sasuke's launching will be a decisive move: Hachibi will use his ougi, and Sasuke will fight directly, but depending of Hachibi's ougi, Sasuke will be on some kind of defenseless position, totally vulnerable to any kind of attack...

And I'm sure those weird glasses are important, otherwise, why to show an opponent wth such glasses?

Cause the shades make him look cool, but more likely he has some weird eye condition. Hell he might have a Kekkai Genkai under those glasses. Like I said, I really don't know if Madara really even plans to have Sasuke actually capture him. Madara seems to be trying to steer Sasuke in a direction that has been pre-planned. I don't Kishimoto is going to show Madara going "whoops!" right now.

I figure this is also the last move of the fight as well, with the Fast Ball Special and all. If Hachibi has been just playing around, what will really happen when he gets serious?!

[bean]

I think Madara is making a big mistake about thinking that Sasuke will capture Hachibi: think about this as a comparison:
It's the same as I talk to friend and say that he's defeat an unknown opponent; I don't have any further information about the enemy, then how can I say that my friend will defeat him?

And with the last chapter, I'm sure the Sasuke's launching will be a decisive move: Hachibi will use his ougi, and Sasuke will fight directly, but depending of Hachibi's ougi, Sasuke will be on some kind of defenseless position, totally vulnerable to any kind of attack...

And I'm sure those weird glasses are important, otherwise, why to show an opponent wth such glasses?

not necessarily true...he knows what sasuke can be capable of and sometimes that is just enough...I hate using real world examples, but it's like assuming the Michael Phelps is going to get the gold, even without knowing who he's going to swim against.

but what madara said is still suspect...he might come in and do it for sasuke (with or without sasuke knowing). What is he doing right now anyways? I can't picture him just sitting back and waiting for both pein and sasuke to come back with their bijuus.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

you're making a whole lot of sense here. That's why I feel sasuke is heavily out of character in this fight. He's getting beat around and for the most part allowing it.

He's fighting like a gennin in the sense that he's sticking to basics rather than what he's really capable of. Since he first appeared in part two, his fights have always shown him to be a few steps of his opponents, but he seems so unprepared and clueless in this fight...definitely not the genius that kishi was making him out to be.

There should be no reason that the MS hasn't been used yet, and with his cs gone, he can't just take hits like he used to...and if the sunglasses were the one thing holding him back from it, then he's had enough chances to snatch them off his face, burn them into his face, whatever, and all he's done is fall on the floor and become some uselss defenseless biotch.

The reason why Sasuke is not fighting as usual is because he went into the fight knowing he had to keep the 8 tails alive, forbidden to kill him. This is why Sasuke took a cautious approach, he held back for this reason. Suigetsu said it perfectly in this chapter when he said they needed to fight to kill to win without killing hachibi. Additionally I believe that Sasuke hasn't used MS yet because the fight would be won too quickly, seems odd, but remember Sasuke wants to know how powerful one can be with bijuu power/or how powerful a jinkuriki is. So I don't think its a case of PNJ.

[Alex_1]

why would kushina info be leaked in a pein vs naruto fight?

There isn't any evidence that it would, just a theory. I think Kushina could be tied to "Pein" somehow. Some of it's a bit cheesy - such as Jiraiya mentioning her in one of his dyining moments when he remembered he was Naruto's godfather, and then something even campier than that - all of Pein's bodies have red hair. :p But also, I wonder if maybe her own 'pain' from that time, whether it be Minato's death, Naruto's birth, the demise of her own country perhaps (whatever happened to it...). I could see it fitting.

But... I have absolutely no idea how. Because there's just not enough information released about her with Minato. We probably only scratched the surface with the Jiraiya/Pein encounter & there'll be more to it when Naruto encounters them. What would be a real let down IMO would be if we never heard about Kushina again.

[chess4]

i dont think sasuke can use ms properly yet, i mean he has only had it a few chapters, i dont know how that translates in naruto time but their is no way he will just become a master of it especially when he hasnt used it in a fight

[bean]

Read my previous post. Sasuke in part two has had huge, battle winning advantages. Deidara stood no chance when all he can use is earth element bombs against Sasuke's chidori. And Itachi wanted to lose anyway, and was holding back enough so that he would draw out Orochimaru but still keep Sasuke alive!

And there are two reasons MS shouldn't be used. Chakra drain and blindness. There hasn't really been a moment Sasuke could even grab Hachibi's shades anyway with all the twirly, unpredictable seven swords action, and if he did I figure the Hachibi would tear his heart out on the spot for ruining his gangsta ninja look.


that's why he has back up, and it's going to happen regardless. It's not like he's going to use it once and then go blind...even if he doesn't use it, he's still going to go blind. But he doesn't seem too worried about it since he already used it on a henchman cloud nin...where was the concern for his eyesight then?

and even though he had the advantage over deidara, deidara still wasn't defenseless against him. OH NO! deidara has a natural weakness to sasuke, he could never win! Deidara still put a dent, a big one, into sasuke. He took one of his wings off. He pushed him to his limit. That was a legit win. Against oro, he beat him physically (to a point) before he beat him mentally (defeating a sick oro is still an accomplishment...the sannin put up one hell of a fight regardless of their condition)...and against itachi, though itachi planned on losing, sasuke did display some type of preparation. He planned on itachi using whatever tricks he had on him and was ready for them. I'm just saying, sasuke looks like an amateur in this fight, when he's been nothing but professional recently.

[gold349]

There's plenty he could do with MS, what is he worried about. What blindness?, that is stupid thinking on his part, if he doesn't switch that on then he is going to be worse than blind, Dead. If he wants to test hachibi test it while being in a position to test him with out actaully being nearly killed. MS doesn't just have Tsukyuomi where he does need to make eye contact (in order to cast genjutsu) but he has also the most powerfullest ninjutsu in amatersu and susanoo'o. He could just burn hachibis legs off with amatersu then smack his goggles of use Tsukuiyomi and carry him back, fight done, the way he is playing it somebody is going to die and its not hcchibi IMO.

[makko]

It could be something simple like the Black Goggles over his eyes prevent sasuke from making Eye contact and therefor he cant use his eye techniques.

Yea thats a great point. There must still be something else though. He stabbed the kid 6 times. His speed or SOMETHING is allowing that. He does hold the swords oddly, but still. Stabbing and Uchiha 6 times is either insane speed or some interesting talent that hasn't been revealed yet.



What annoys me about these chapters lately is there not bringing Naruto up to Sasuke's level it just seems like there dropping Sasuke back down to Naruto's.

Well, i think its more like we as the readers inflated Sasukes progress. Mainly because of all the "cool" things he's capable of. He really hasn't done much. This is his first true opponent that WILL kill him and has no handicaps. Also, he doesn't have CS this time.

[WereMongoose]

that's why he has back up, and it's going to happen regardless. It's not like he's going to use it once and then go blind...even if he doesn't use it, he's still going to go blind. But he doesn't seem too worried about it since he already used it on a henchman cloud nin...where was the concern for his eyesight then?

and even though he had the advantage over deidara, deidara still wasn't defenseless against him. OH NO! deidara has a natural weakness to sasuke, he could never win! Deidara still put a dent, a big one, into sasuke. He took one of his wings off. He pushed him to his limit. That was a legit win. Against oro, he beat him physically (to a point) before he beat him mentally...and against itachi, though itachi planned on losing, sasuke did display some type of preparation. He planned on itachi using whatever tricks he had on him and was ready for them. I'm just saying, sasuke looks like an amateur in this fight, when he's been nothing but professional recently.

I see your points and disagree with beating Orochimaru physically as there wasn't really much to beat other than pinning his arms to the bed and just because Sasuke planned against Itachi doesn't mean that Itachi wasn't able to counter it all, because after all, he did admit that he only wanted to push him to the brink. I think Itachi could have easily taken him out if he really wanted. I don't think Sasuke was really professional at all against Deidara or Itachi simply because the fact he refused his Team's help. Assuming Itachi really wanted to kill him or Sasuke really wanted to capture Deidara alive for interrogation with little trouble, a real professional would use all his assests including help from others. I think it was the right time to for Kishimoto to make us look back to the bell exercise. Sasuke has always had a "lone wolf" problem, and I think Sasuke needs to realize he needs to rely on teamwork sometimes. That's when I'll acknowledge that Sasuke has actually grown into a professional. As far as eyesight goes, I think Sasuke only wants to use it when he knows he can (henchmen interrogation) and therefore won't use it right now.
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Yea thats a great point. There must still be something else though. He stabbed the kid 6 times. His speed or SOMETHING is allowing that. He does hold the swords oddly, but still. Stabbing and Uchiha 6 times is either insane speed or some interesting talent that hasn't been revealed yet.



Well, i think its more like we as the readers inflated Sasukes progress. Mainly because of all the "cool" things he's capable of. He really hasn't done much. This is his first true opponent that WILL kill him and has no handicaps. Also, he doesn't have CS this time.

The second point is what I've argued all along, I completely agree. As for why he got stabbed, it is both Sasuke's own bodily limitations as well as Hachibi's unconventional style. Remember what Rock Lee said before the Chuunin Exams? The sharingan's real weakness is taijutsu because even though the sharingan can keep up with the movements, the body may not be able to react in time. The thing is Sasuke can see whats happening, but his body isn't able to react to all seven swords as fast as he can see it happening.

[makko]

The reason why Sasuke is not fighting as usual is because he went into the fight knowing he had to keep the 8 tails alive, forbidden to kill him. This is why Sasuke took a cautious approach, he held back for this reason. Suigetsu said it perfectly in this chapter when he said they needed to fight to kill to win without killing hachibi. Additionally I believe that Sasuke hasn't used MS yet because the fight would be won too quickly, seems odd, but remember Sasuke wants to know how powerful one can be with bijuu power/or how powerful a jinkuriki is. So I don't think its a case of PNJ.

Interesting perspective here... might not be true but it could explain SOME things. I dont know though.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Why haven't Sasuke use is MS yet?

1. Because it drain a lot of charka and if he miss, he is fuck. At the most he will only be able to do 1 MS jutsu given the fact of how much charka it drain and he already use one against that guy before the fight.
2. Because he just got it and he isn't an expert in using it, especiallly in battle situation.
3. This is the most important reason, because the MS is his trump card. Trump cards don't get use until the fight is about to be over, unless you are itachi. Saying he should have use the MS by now is like saying he should have use Kirin in the 1st or 2nd chapter in his fight against Itachi. Plotwise, it just doesn't work like that.
4. The dude is arrogant.

[bean]

I see your points and disagree with beating Orochimaru physically as there wasn't really much to beat other than pinning his arms to the bed and just because Sasuke planned against Itachi doesn't mean that Itachi wasn't able to counter it all, because after all, he did admit that he only wanted to push him to the brink. I think Itachi could have easily taken him out if he really wanted. I don't think Sasuke was really professional at all against Deidara or Itachi simply because the fact he refused his Team's help. Assuming Itachi really wanted to kill him or Sasuke really wanted to capture Deidara alive for interrogation with little trouble, a real professional would use all his assests including help from others. I think it was the right time to for Kishimoto to make us look back to the bell exercise. Sasuke has always had a "lone wolf" problem, and I think Sasuke needs to realize he needs to rely on teamwork sometimes. That's when I'll acknowledge that Sasuke has actually grown into a professional. As far as eyesight goes, I think Sasuke only wants to use it when he knows he can (henchmen interrogation) and therefore won't use it right now.


I dunno about the lone wolf thing, sasuke and naruto made a great team. He's never really been opposed to teamwork, especially since kishi forced him into using it (and to a point he picked it up on his own) but by him going after deidara alone, that saved his life, no? If he had his group with him, they would have held him back and ultimately, all four of them would have ended up dead, either in bits or through internal bleeding. But I don't think he intended on confronting deidara alone. I can't remember off hand, but they confronted him, didn't they? He split his group up so that they could get info on itachi, not so that he could be by his lonesome emo self. And against itachi, it makes sense that he was going to go at it alone. That was his fight and his fight alone.

[Alex_1]

I see your points and disagree with beating Orochimaru physically as there wasn't really much to beat other than pinning his arms to the bed and just because Sasuke planned against Itachi doesn't mean that Itachi wasn't able to counter it all, because after all, he did admit that he only wanted to push him to the brink. I think Itachi could have easily taken him out if he really wanted. I don't think Sasuke was really professional at all against Deidara or Itachi simply because the fact he refused his Team's help. Assuming Itachi really wanted to kill him or Sasuke really wanted to capture Deidara alive for interrogation with little trouble, a real professional would use all his assests including help from others. I think it was the right time to for Kishimoto to make us look back to the bell exercise. Sasuke has always had a "lone wolf" problem, and I think Sasuke needs to realize he needs to rely on teamwork sometimes. That's when I'll acknowledge that Sasuke has actually grown into a professional. As far as eyesight goes, I think Sasuke only wants to use it when he knows he can (henchmen interrogation) and therefore won't use it right now.
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The second point is what I've argued all along, I completely agree. As for why he got stabbed, it is both Sasuke's own bodily limitations as well as Hachibi's unconventional style. Remember what Rock Lee said before the Chuunin Exams? The sharingan's real weakness is taijutsu because even though the sharingan can keep up with the movements, the body may not be able to react in time. The thing is Sasuke can see whats happening, but his body isn't able to react to all seven swords as fast as he can see it happening.

A good point about the sharingan and taijutsu. :)

I give Sasuke a pass with fighting alone. Remember, his goal at that time wasn't to kill Deidara in that encounter. And he was on his own because the other's had spread out to find more information. The only fight where he really could have used help was with Itachi, but even then remember - Kisame was there to block the way too. To put it mildly, for the most part, he really couldn't rely on teamwork in some of those battles. And looking at what transpired as a result of, particularly the Itachi encounter, it was by design.

In this encounter, however, it's different. The authors showed all three members 'fighting' members attempt to attack on their own. But only when they combined their abilities and worked together were they able to put the 8 tails on the ropes a bit. But now more than before, we can see the benefits of them being able to work together as a team. They all have a role.

[chess4]

The second point is what I've argued all along, I completely agree. As for why he got stabbed, it is both Sasuke's own bodily limitations as well as Hachibi's unconventional style. Remember what Rock Lee said before the Chuunin Exams? The sharingan's real weakness is taijutsu because even though the sharingan can keep up with the movements, the body may not be able to react in time. The thing is Sasuke can see whats happening, but his body isn't able to react to all seven swords as fast as he can see it happening.[/QUOTE]

i agree and kb is also because the sharingandoes not effect a clone.

[WereMongoose]

Crap you guys got me at the teamwork thing. Oh well, it's still nice seeing Team Hawk actually being useful. Juugo needs his own real fight in my opinion. I can't get enough jet-powered punches in any manga or anime. Wonder if he can transform his legs into jets too. Look it's a bird! No wait, it's Super Jet Juugo to the rescue.

Do you guys think Suigetsu is out of the fight now? After all he did take a big electrical shock from Sasuke's chidori.

[bean]

Why haven't Sasuke use is MS yet?
1. Because it drain a lot of charka and if he miss, he is fuck. At the most he will only be able to do 1 MS jutsu given the fact of how much charka it drain and he already use one against that guy before the fight.

like itachi before him, if he uses it too much and gets tired, he has his right hand m(e)n there to pull him out of the shit.



2. Because he just got it and he isn't an expert in using it, especiallly in battle situation.
we don't know how long he's been with it...that is, we don't know how long it has been since he got it. Kishi kinda fucked up the time line...it seems like days passed since itachi died, but it could be months. And he's an uchiha genius, he picks shit up quick



3. This is the most important reason, because the MS is his trump card. Trump cards don't get use until the fight is about to be over, unless you are itachi. Saying he should have use the MS by now is like saying he should have use Kirin in the 1st or 2nd chapter in his fight against Itachi. Plotwise, it just doesn't work like that.
from a manga standpoint, I get that, but in terms of sasuke's character, you would hope he has learned by now that playing it safe until you need to go balls out usually ends up with him almost dying. This is the hachibi, so there's no reason to hold back the trump cards. He's played his little games already, so there better be a MS next chapter.


4. The dude is arrogant.
no argument there.

[Huey Freeman]

Why haven't Sasuke use is MS yet?

1. Because it drain a lot of charka and if he miss, he is fuck. At the most he will only be able to do 1 MS jutsu given the fact of how much charka it drain and he already use one against that guy before the fight.
2. Because he just got it and he isn't an expert in using it, especiallly in battle situation.
3. This is the most important reason, because the MS is his trump card. Trump cards don't get use until the fight is about to be over, unless you are itachi. Saying he should have use the MS by now is like saying he should have use Kirin in the 1st or 2nd chapter in his fight against Itachi. Plotwise, it just doesn't work like that.
4. The dude is arrogant.

Really, you could just say reason 3 and that should be enough. Since Kishi decided to make it a full blown battle, the trump card won't come out until the end. The question I ask is why make it a full blown battle if they are ultimately going to win (yeah, b e a n, I know it's for action and the bite me no jutsu). Seems unnecessary to me unless they lose. Then we'd get to gauge another character like Zetsu or even Kisame.
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Crap you guys got me at the teamwork thing. Oh well, it's still nice seeing Team Hawk actually being useful. Juugo needs his own real fight in my opinion. I can't get enough jet-powered punches in any manga or anime. Wonder if he can transform his legs into jets too. Look it's a bird! No wait, it's Super Jet Juugo to the rescue.

Do you guys think Suigetsu is out of the fight now? After all he did take a big electrical shock from Sasuke's chidori.

You must be easily impressed then. What I wonder about his ability is if he can sprout wings or regenerate body parts since he seems to be able to morph his arms into various things. (Edit: Looks like you added a similar thought) Although I'd rather just see him dead first.

I really doubt Suigetsu is out. He looked like he was standing back up I thought.

[bean]

Crap you guys got me at the teamwork thing. Oh well, it's still nice seeing Team Hawk actually being useful. Juugo needs his own real fight in my opinion. I can't get enough jet-powered punches in any manga or anime. Wonder if he can transform his legs into jets too. Look it's a bird! No wait, it's Super Jet Juugo to the rescue.

Do you guys think Suigetsu is out of the fight now? After all he did take a big electrical shock from Sasuke's chidori.
I'm sure he's fine...a little break while sasuke does whatever, and he'll be fine. And if he's really hurt, he can nibble on karin.

[WereMongoose]

You must be easily impressed then. What I wonder about his ability is if he can sprout wings or regenerate body parts since he seems to be able to morph his arms into various things. (Edit: Looks like you added a similar thought) Although I'd rather just see him dead first.

I take it your not a Juugo fan? As far as being easily impressed, not really, I just have a huge liking for jet assisted or explosive things. Although I'm a speed freak so to speak, I'd like to see more strength oriented people in the manga, so more Chouji or Juugo would seem to fit. Chouji vs. Juugo perhaps?

[bean]

I wanna see juugo in full CS mode...but seeing as how he can change into anything he wants, he might have a few different CS modes...or maybe is only limited to his imagination.

[Huey Freeman]

I take it your not a Juugo fan? As far as being easily impressed, not really, I just have a huge liking for jet assisted or explosive things. Although I'm a speed freak so to speak, I'd like to see more strength oriented people in the manga, so more Chouji or Juugo would seem to fit. Chouji vs. Juugo perhaps?

I guess I just don't see his relevance now that Sasuke has lost the cursed seal. Besides, he's a huge fairy that plays with woodland creatures like some kind of transsexual Snow White on HGH. Plus, death always adds something to the story.

[bean]

I guess I just don't see his relevance now that Sasuke has lost the cursed seal. Besides, he's a huge fairy that plays with woodland creatures like some kind of transsexual Snow White on HGH. Plus, death always adds something to the story.
juugo needs to die so that sasuke can grow up...:p

[nat]

I have to admit, b e a n...You are are genius, hands down....I agree as well, also if Naruto dies Sasuke will grow even more....It will be "Sasuke", the name of the manga we are reading...:p


But I don't think Hachibi will kill anyone of the lovely four...coz Sasuke needs them to take down Konoha...Plus Madara, and Mist, and Akatsuki and Pein and Tonton....Basically he needs everyone :D

[makko]

C'mon guys! Based on the facts that we know... Sasuke SHOULD be losing this fight.. along with his team. Why?

Sasuke is a natural Lightening element right? a good 30% of his arsenal is Lighting based. Chidori via hands, coming out of his body or through the sword. Right?

He can't use lightening or any of these anymore because Hachibi has shown that he also uses lightening.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/002/

Not only does he also use lightening and/or another from of chakra flow... he has more chakra. Meaning he not only can neutralize any lightening based attach Sasuke makes; he can OVERpower it because he has more chakra pushing it out

The MS argument we have isn't really a big deal on either side i dont think. Sasuke has MS on here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/14/

BEFORE he got stabbed 6 times and before he almost got sliced in half on the ground. So whether he uses MS or not? Its not working. He has it fully on because as you can see all the lines in the eyes are connected. So he has MS/Sharigan on. Its just can't be implemented as easily as he thinks on Hachibi.

He can't do anything to Chakra intensive because he doesn't have CS. So that kind of limits him a bit. But after you get pushed back a little you take risks -->. I think someone said that if there is anyone he would say "forget chakra" and use MS. True because after this scene:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/13/

Right after that Sasuke realizes this guy is tough and turns on MS. As i said before i dont think its working. He hasn't found a way to get him caught in MS. If you think that he is holding back? For what? to almost get killed a 3rd or 4th time? I doubt it. He's just outdone right now and they have to figure out a way to take him out. Or Sasuke will figure something out about his new power.

No CS: No chakra!
He can't really use any lightening based attacks!
MS? hasn't really worked?
Speed? He seems outdone there too!

Now IFmy theory was correct weeks ago about this being about Kishi/Madara humbling him? Who can take out the 8tail? Can Kisame and Madara?

Chakra? Kisame: check. Madara has a lotta of chakra cause he says so here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/

Also Madara has EMS and doesn't have to worry about going blind... so we know so far. Speed? Madara has it. So its makes sense if they come to save the day.

Just my opinion.

[bean]

Sasuke has MS on here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/14/

BEFORE he got stabbed 6 times and before he almost got sliced in half on the ground.

Just fyi, that's not the MS...as for the rest, TL DNR.

[xZerapHx]

I guess I just don't see his relevance now that Sasuke has lost the cursed seal. Besides, he's a huge fairy that plays with woodland creatures like some kind of transsexual Snow White on HGH. Plus, death always adds something to the story.

he's really just naruto's answer for android 16... that gay robot :blink

i hope for a twist sasuke really get defeated so an akatsuki will step in to finish it in one blow...... akatsuki needs an overhaul after that defeat of like 70% of their members by chunins (kakashi included)

[3shinkyo3]

That's not MS, sasuke's MS is the atom looking thing. I too believe that this fight will be humbling of sorts but i don't feel sasuke is completely overpowered just yet either. They went into that fight holding back it has already been stated by a member involved in the fight, also sasuke said he wanted to see what 8 tails could do. Sasuke underestimated the 8 tails is paying for it but he will see or has seen sence and will along with his team be victorious.

[jerger]

nice post (long one above)...

i agree... my outcomes have been:

1. join 8tails
2. get help from madara, being humbled
3. flee both options 1 and 2 and reform their thoughts (which wont lead into the story well since naruto is training)



jugo's power seems futile to 8tails. sword/waterboy's sword is cut by lightning... sasuke isn't doing much... and the girl is just their for hotness.

the only hope is if the options above happen or if sasuke's MS mode some how comes back and does something major. this guy seems to fun to lose so quickly. (8 tails)

[chess4]

obviously sasuke is not goint to die nor is the hachibi because if he dies the 8 tails dies with him. so what i think is going to happen the hachibi will see the potential in him and spare his life, cause their is no way team hawk is going to win or fight to a draw

the hachibi is a good character and i see him sticking around for a bit

[Franckie]

the reason i sasid that is brcause j man told him that all great ninja are linked way or another, and when eventually finds out who his father is, it will give him more detemination to be better than his father who considered the greatest ninja ever to come from konoha.

Naruto already respects the Yondaime Hogake a great deal. Somebody going up to Naruto and telling him Minato is his father doesn't contribute anything to the story; Naruto already intends to surpass Yondaime anyway as he told Kakashi during the Kakuzu fight. Minato is greatly respected and he is Naruto's final benchmark, but Jiraiya, too, is given immense respect as Itachi, Zetsu, Madara, Pein, and even Minato all illustrate. Furthermore, Jiraiya is Naruto's most important benchmark.

To say someone telling Naruto his lineage will given him greater determination is a bit farfetch'd.


Probably with this chapter Kishimoto wants to shows that sharingan isn't the solution for all the problems, because until now, a strong opponent was able to easily pummel a sharingan user;

Probably with this chapter Kishimoto wants to show that Sharingan is the solution for all the problems, because until now, we haven't seen an opponent actually pummel a Sharingan-user like Sasuke.

I recall someone once asking, "What else can the sharingan do?!" The answer? Five. Sharingan possesses five final secret abilities:

1: Copyin'
2: Predictin'
3: Bijuu Controllin'
4: Mulligan'
5: More Final Secret Abilities

This fight will not hype Sasuke at all, the only emphasis is going to be on the Sharingan bloodline being haxx enough to still give its user a chance to win even when the user is completely inferior in terms of fighting skills. After all, Sharingan is the ultimate as far as everything "ninja" is concerned.


BUT...so far sasuke hasn't been using the sharingan how it's supposed to be used.

Sasuke is using the Sharingan correctly. The problem is the opponent he's dealing with. All the power in the world doesn't do you any good if you can't utilize it against the opponent.

Within these past few chapters, the Hachibi has been shown to be an exceptionally powerful opponent. And he hasn't even transformed into his bijuu yet. Thus far, his taijutsu, kenjutsu, speed, and strength have been shown to be phemonenal. Hachibi, for example, took a kick and was completely unaffected - he even had time to write down rhymes, which is a condescending attitude and shows that he's not feeling threatened at all by Sasuke. Hachibi also disarmed Sasuke - to disarm someone, you need to use better tactics, and so far, Hachibi's kenjutsu is superior in addition to countering Sasuke's Chidori sword by infusing his weapon with chakra. So, clearly he's not a noob when it comes to fighting.


Do you guys think Suigetsu is out of the fight now? After all he did take a big electrical shock from Sasuke's chidori.
I think Suigetsu is out of the fight. Hachibi is clearly stronger than Suigetsu and he along with Sasuke are leaving the area where Taka is staying behind. I'm guessing Hachibi is about to unleash his bijuu while Sasuke, on the other hand, will unleash MS.

On a side note, I'm already imagining the future gripes people will have here. People won't be rejoicing because they know who's fighting, what kind of eyes he has, and what Kishimoto's been doing with him since he was reintroduced.


I guess I just don't see his relevance now that Sasuke has lost the cursed seal. Besides, he's a huge fairy that plays with woodland creatures like some kind of transsexual Snow White on HGH. Plus, death always adds something to the story.

Juugo serves two purposes: To hype Sasuke and be fodder. He's still relevent, we just need to see who gets to pwn him (again).


C'mon guys! Based on the facts that we know... Sasuke SHOULD be losing this fight.. along with his team. Why?

Based on the facts that we know... Sasuke SHOULD be winning this fight.. along with his team. Why? Akatsuki needs to look like an even bigger threat (= Hachibi needs to be sealed) and Sasuke's plotshield will enable him to get his way as he has been doing ever since VotE.

[makko]

That's not MS, sasuke's MS is the atom looking thing. I too believe that this fight will be humbling of sorts but i don't feel sasuke is completely overpowered just yet either. They went into that fight holding back it has already been stated by a member involved in the fight, also sasuke said he wanted to see what 8 tails could do. Sasuke underestimated the 8 tails is paying for it but he will see or has seen sence and will along with his team be victorious.

Yea for sure i realized and edited. I guess my point is if that eye isn't working then his full MS wouldn't do much because all his eye techniques are implemented the same way. He can't even get a read on his movements with that eye... what will MS do if he cant predict any movements.

[Mythsoul]

at the the moment ...the hachibi will get serious...and team Taka has been serious for a while..and getting thier asses kicked....now the hachibi will target Karin....to take her out....so she wont heal anyone after he defeats them...( though I doubt she'll heal Suigetsu anyways ...lol ) ....but knowing Kishi...he will give sasuke a plot no jutsu against this powerfull character....or.....is his intention for Sasuke to loose ...so he can go back to Madara to get his brothers eyes....and yet once again ..power up without sweating a drop to train for it......pfffffffff........so we'll see....

I really dont see what difference the MS will make....if the Hachibi is both stronger ...and faster ..than the 4 of them combine.....I dont think he will be caugh in a Genjutsu...or that Amateratsu will work on a faster stronger adversary...

all I see happening ...is Sasuke and taka GETTING THEIR PUNK ASSES KICKED!

[Logic]

Whoa! Everyone just hold your horses! Sasuke had put everyone inside his genjutsu a long time ago I think!

[gold349]

C'mon guys! Based on the facts that we know... Sasuke SHOULD be losing this fight.. along with his team. Why?

Sasuke is a natural Lightening element right? a good 30% of his arsenal is Lighting based. Chidori via hands, coming out of his body or through the sword. Right?

He can't use lightening or any of these anymore because Hachibi has shown that he also uses lightening.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/002/

Not only does he also use lightening and/or another from of chakra flow... he has more chakra. Meaning he not only can neutralize any lightening based attach Sasuke makes; he can OVERpower it because he has more chakra pushing it out
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granted hachibi can use lightning based attacks and similar chakra flow as Saske but from this http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/014/ he was well stunned and made it known to all from that chidori, they have a chance to win if they work together. I still want hachibi to stretch them and push them to their ultimate limits (all 4)

[chess4]

i think sasuke is a bout to breakout with the snake summons in the next chapter

[Logic]

All wrong I think. One of the great three eye-techniques 'byakugan, sharingan, rinnegan' won't be proven useless I think.
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What's more, I think we got a hell of a surprise coming in future.

[Logic]

Things like Sasuke saying: 8 man! What you saw up until now was an illusion. I can make them reality. So, give up and listen to me. Or suffer! Suffer for real!

[makko]

Based on the facts that we know... Sasuke SHOULD be winning this fight.. along with his team. Why? Akatsuki needs to look like an even bigger threat (= Hachibi needs to be sealed) and Sasuke's plotshield will enable him to get his way as he has been doing ever since VotE.

Plotshield doesn't mean you can't lose or be humbled. Even Madara has lost before. Either way some some facts would be nice. Plotshield is open for interpretation. To me in the overall plot Sasuke always gets humbled after he makes some advancement. Rock Lee/Gaara/ now this.

[Csdabest]

C'mon guys! Based on the facts that we know... Sasuke SHOULD be losing this fight.. along with his team. Why?

Sasuke is a natural Lightening element right? a good 30% of his arsenal is Lighting based. Chidori via hands, coming out of his body or through the sword. Right?

He can't use lightening or any of these anymore because Hachibi has shown that he also uses lightening.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/002/

Not only does he also use lightening and/or another from of chakra flow... he has more chakra. Meaning he not only can neutralize any lightening based attach Sasuke makes; he can OVERpower it because he has more chakra pushing it out

The MS argument we have isn't really a big deal on either side i dont think. Sasuke has MS on here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/14/

BEFORE he got stabbed 6 times and before he almost got sliced in half on the ground. So whether he uses MS or not? Its not working. He has it fully on because as you can see all the lines in the eyes are connected. So he has MS/Sharigan on. Its just can't be implemented as easily as he thinks on Hachibi.

He can't do anything to Chakra intensive because he doesn't have CS. So that kind of limits him a bit. But after you get pushed back a little you take risks -->. I think someone said that if there is anyone he would say "forget chakra" and use MS. True because after this scene:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/13/

Right after that Sasuke realizes this guy is tough and turns on MS. As i said before i dont think its working. He hasn't found a way to get him caught in MS. If you think that he is holding back? For what? to almost get killed a 3rd or 4th time? I doubt it. He's just outdone right now and they have to figure out a way to take him out. Or Sasuke will figure something out about his new power.

No CS: No chakra!
He can't really use any lightening based attacks!
MS? hasn't really worked?
Speed? He seems outdone there too!

Now IFmy theory was correct weeks ago about this being about Kishi/Madara humbling him? Who can take out the 8tail? Can Kisame and Madara?

Chakra? Kisame: check. Madara has a lotta of chakra cause he says so here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/

Also Madara has EMS and doesn't have to worry about going blind... so we know so far. Speed? Madara has it. So its makes sense if they come to save the day.

Just my opinion.


Sooo many thing wrongs but lets see.

1. Why wouldn't he be able to use lightning? He can still use lightning. Just because Hachibi has it just means he doesn't have that advantage anymore.

2. Yes he has more chakra. That doesn't mean he can overpower techniques of his. Yes its the 8-tails and he will outlast. But this isnt neccessarily true.

3. Sasuke has not used MS. Re-read Last words. and look at the sharingan. They are different. Nothing has even been show that he has used MS. The last chapter has made it clear they were not fighting to kill. They need to take him alive. Trying to take him alive and being cocky about it was the main downfall.


4. Sasuke chakra is still above average and very extensive. Just not on the level of a chakra monster. CS was still his chakra it just gave access to his life energy that keeps him alive. It forces chakra out.
He can still use lightning just doesnt have the lightning advantage
He hasn't really been outdone in speed either. 8-tails is fast just his fighting style is unorthodox and unreadable even by sharingan means. This has been seen before. When Taka actually stopped messing around the pushed the 8-tails into a cornerand casues hims to have to retreat and hide. So far we havent seen Sasuke MS, Juugo CS2(Full), Suigetsu water pumps.. So there is still alo0t we have to see from all combanants. And cant count anyone out.

5. I dont think this is madara humbeling him. He even told and confirmed to Pein and Konan that Sasuke will get the 8-tails. Put his name on it. And you dont do that to the co-leader and his assistant of the organization. You will loose face. This fight has multiple purposes. Show 8-tails ability. Show Taka teamwork and Sasuke MS. Also show weaker versions of Kisame and Madara at most.

6. Yes Madara said he had special and stronger chakra even amongst the Uchiha clan who is said to have alot of chakra by average. And Kyuubi already admitted that Sasuke Chakra is just like Madara's. When CS was revealed and pull out chakra from sasuke the first time it was intense and his own chakra showing Sasuke has some very special chakra being confirmed by madara and kyuubi statement.

8-tails will go tailed mode. and whoop abit. And Suigetsu and Juugo will go out and Sasuke will use MS and win the fight.

[Logic]

Plotshield eh? Whatever, Sasuke wins in his sasuke vs. 8 tails game I think. I the 'Logic'al sage will say that, I was right after all!

[Csdabest]

Plotshield doesn't mean you can't lose or be humbled. Even Madara has lost before. Either way some some facts would be nice. Plotshield is open for interpretation. To me in the overall plot Sasuke always gets humbled after he makes some advancement. Rock Lee/Gaara/ now this.

True and this is always after he shows how amazing he is with those advancements.

[thalian]

@chess4, I gotta agry with you on that. Cheers for Hinata. But I don't think she'll be with Naruto in future instead she'll be with Neji!

nope not gonna happen... romance is secondary to the plot... anyway bot i see the 8-tails smashing the team taka and then sasuke pulling off some last minute move and winning the fight the move will have to do with his new sharingan... forgot what its called

[3shinkyo3]

Yea for sure i realized and edited. I guess my point is if that eye isn't working then his full MS wouldn't do much because all his eye techniques are implemented the same way. He can't even get a read on his movements with that eye... what will MS do if he cant predict any movements.

For me personally i don't think the fight should be about who ever can pull off the biggest jutsu wins, When i used the term 'humbling sasuke' i mean it in the sense where he alone just isn't enough like seen in the last chapter. I do believe he can read his movements but just can't avoid them to me it's like the lee vs kimmi fight both were good taijutsu users but kimmi was on such a level that none of his movements were wasted leaving no opening and any room for mistakes on lee's part, however for this scenario transfer tai for sword play.

[Csdabest]

For me personally i don't think the fight should be about who ever can pull off the biggest jutsu wins, When i used the term 'humbling sasuke' i mean it in the sense where he alone just isn't enough like seen in the last chapter. I do believe he can read his movements but just can't avoid them to me it's like the lee vs kimmi fight both were good taijutsu users but kimmi was on such a level that none of his movements were wasted leaving no opening and any room for mistakes on lee's part, however for this scenario transfer tai for sword play.

Possibely. Also for their too many akward ways off attack and from multiple angles. He couldnt counter them all. Many speculations about what happened. But it does show Sasuke trying toi counter.

[makko]

1. Why wouldn't he be able to use lightning? He can still use lightning. Just because Hachibi has it just means he doesn't have that advantage anymore.


He can still use it but whats the point? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/17/


2. Yes he has more chakra. That doesn't mean he can overpower techniques of his. Yes its the 8-tails and he will outlast. But this isnt neccessarily true.

Well, its an assumption granted. But if two guys have Lightening swords/hands etc... and they clash with fists or the sword i'm guessing the guy with the higher voltage/current (chakra) would overpower the other in that area.


3. Sasuke has not used MS. Re-read Last words. and look at the sharingan. They are different. Nothing has even been show that he has used MS. The last chapter has made it clear they were not fighting to kill. They need to take him alive. Trying to take him alive and being cocky about it was the main downfall.

I edited to post when i realized it wasn't MS of course. My point is that MS is is based of of the Sharingan. How can he use MS effectively if he cant even get a read on Hachibi with his regular Sharigan.



4. Sasuke chakra is still above average and very extensive. Just not on the level of a chakra monster. CS was still his chakra it just gave access to his life energy that keeps him alive. It forces chakra out.
He can still use lightning just doesnt have the lightning advantage
He hasn't really been outdone in speed either. 8-tails is fast just his fighting style is unorthodox and unreadable even by sharingan means. This has been seen before. When Taka actually stopped messing around the pushed the 8-tails into a cornerand casues hims to have to retreat and hide. So far we havent seen Sasuke MS, Juugo CS2(Full), Suigetsu water pumps.. So there is still alo0t we have to see from all combanants. And cant count anyone out.

I'm not counting them out. I just think he got humbled. Which is my whole point. He almost died twice... how is he not serious? After 6 stabs he should be serious. And yea if they use their powers to the fullest they should have a chance. They have to get a read on him first though. So far they can't do that.


5. I dont think this is madara humbeling him. He even told and confirmed to Pein and Konan that Sasuke will get the 8-tails. Put his name on it. And you dont do that to the co-leader and his assistant of the organization. You will loose face. This fight has multiple purposes. Show 8-tails ability. Show Taka teamwork and Sasuke MS. Also show weaker versions of Kisame and Madara at most.

Pain is not the co-leader. Madara can and should say whatever it takes to reinforce his decision/plan.


6. Yes Madara said he had special and stronger chakra even amongst the Uchiha clan who is said to have alot of chakra by average. And Kyuubi already admitted that Sasuke Chakra is just like Madara's. When CS was revealed and pull out chakra from sasuke the first time it was intense and his own chakra showing Sasuke has some very special chakra being confirmed by madara and kyuubi statement.

Well, the chakra in Sasuke's eyes are similar to Madara's. Not sure if that means his general chakra

[Franckie]

Plotshield doesn't mean you can't lose or be humbled. Even Madara has lost before. Either way some some facts would be nice. Plotshield is open for interpretation. To me in the overall plot Sasuke always gets humbled after he makes some advancement. Rock Lee/Gaara/ now this.
Hachibi may have beaten Sasuke, but Sasuke has yet to lose the fight. And Sasuke still hasn't pullen out his MS yet.

The term "plotshield" is utilized primarily because of the fact that the Sharingan is the WTF doujutsu. It breaks the rules of the manga and establishes its own rules. Because Sasuke is immortal (as in Kishi won't kill him) and possesses magical red eyeballs, he'll get his way one way or the other as he has been doing ever since VotE.

[OhDearMoshe]

Actually considering how quickly even with the curse seal Sasuke runs out of Chakra I wouldn't say he is above the average more on average. I see a lot of teamwork being needed for this fight. Or hopefully an outright loss for Team Hebi.

[Logic]

I think it's his eigth sword- "hachiken!"

[Csdabest]

He can still use it but whats the point? http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/17/



Well, its an assumption granted. But if two guys have Lightening swords/hands etc... and they clash with fists or the sword i'm guessing the guy with the higher voltage/current (chakra) would overpower the other in that area.



I edited to post when i realized it wasn't MS of course. My point is that MS is is based of of the Sharingan. How can he use MS effectively if he cant even get a read on Hachibi with his regular Sharigan.




I'm not counting them out. I just think he got humbled. Which is my whole point. He almost died twice... how is he not serious? After 6 stabs he should be serious. And yea if they use their powers to the fullest they should have a chance. They have to get a read on him first though. So far they can't do that.



Pain is not the co-leader. Madara can and should say whatever it takes to reinforce his decision/plan.



Well, the chakra in Sasuke's eyes are similar to Madara's. Not sure if that means his general chakra


1. Yeah. Same could be said about the 8-tails. His sword did break Sasuke. and 4-12 Sasuke managed to Shock him.

2. Higher voltage yes.But I dont think it really has to do with chakra. Multiple occasion people wioth low chakra such as Kakashi who has low chakra generated a Chidori to cut through lightning which i dont even know about myself.

3. Well Regular Sharingan are different than Magekou. It simply builds on ability. So far from what has been seen Sasuke has done nothing but try to counter and read his high speed movements. Genjutsu hasnt even been attempted.

4. Suigestsu stated they were not trying to kill them till after Sasuke got healed. After they tried Hachibi got pushed back and had to retreat. Abit.

5. Pein can be seen as second command. He was ordering and making the orders to Akatsuki. And Madara reffered to him as the leader. If he was setting Sasuke up. He would have said something less reassuring to pein.

6. But isnt the chakra in Sasuke the same as it is in his eyes. Or unless you saying Sharingan eyes have their own chakra source.
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Actually considering how quickly even with the curse seal Sasuke runs out of Chakra I wouldn't say he is above the average more on average. I see a lot of teamwork being needed for this fight. Or hopefully an outright loss for Team Hebi.
Sasuke runs out of Chakra fast cuz he Spams A-class to S-class jutsu with Chunnin level Fighting Dei and Itachi both in the same day going all out Says he has very high chakra and stamina even with CS. CS forces chakra out of the body. So technically its still his chakra. Just he probably wont have access to it anymore. But to say Sasuke chakra is on average is not giving it justice. But either I wouldnt say he runs out fast The fights were pretty drawn out.

[Hrathgrath]

Wow you guys are really getting into this today. Let me throw this at you. How do we know that Naruto doesn't know that Minato is his father? It hasn't said so, and I thought the same thing for a while. Maybe he just doesn't throw it around.. Asuma didn't throw it around about his dad, but someone else did for him, and we don't even know who konohamaru's dad is!

As far as Sasuke, I think his arrogance got the better of him. He just got away from Orochi, just got some pimp new eyes, a new dress, and some katz to follow him.. thought he could just walk up and slap hachibi in the face and be like "bitch! come on wid it!" and got bent over instead.

[bean]

Wow you guys are really getting into this today. Let me throw this at you. How do we know that Naruto doesn't know that Minato is his father? It hasn't said so, and I thought the same thing for a while. Maybe he just doesn't throw it around.. Asuma didn't throw it around about his dad, but someone else did for him, and we don't even know who konohamaru's dad is!

As far as Sasuke, I think his arrogance got the better of him. He just got away from Orochi, just got some pimp new eyes, a new dress, and some katz to follow him.. thought he could just walk up and slap hachibi in the face and be like "bitch! come on wid it!" and got bent over instead.
naruto is nothing like asuma...naruto is the type of person that would have blurted out in one way or another that the 4th was his father if he knew. But from what kishi has given us, we have no reason to believe he does know. But there have been many instance, none that I can recall off hand, that indicate that he doesn't know.

[Logic]

Prediction of Next chapter: " 8 man: Yo pretty boy take the hit! Sfx: bam, wham, crack! Sasuke: whoooo.... My cute lady butt broke! Woooo.... Karin: sasuke quick! Suck my chakra by su--ing ma mi-g. Ooooh! Yess! Yesss! Yesssss!"
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Prediction Next chapter: more training of naruto, sasuke wining against 8 and 1/2 dialouges of pein.

[makko]

1. Yeah. Same could be said about the 8-tails. His sword did break Sasuke. and 4-12 Sasuke managed to Shock him.

2. Higher voltage yes.But I dont think it really has to do with chakra. Multiple occasion people wioth low chakra such as Kakashi who has low chakra generated a Chidori to cut through lightning which i dont even know about myself.

3. Well Regular Sharingan are different than Magekou. It simply builds on ability. So far from what has been seen Sasuke has done nothing but try to counter and read his high speed movements. Genjutsu hasnt even been attempted.

4. Suigestsu stated they were not trying to kill them till after Sasuke got healed. After they tried Hachibi got pushed back and had to retreat. Abit.

5. Pein can be seen as second command. He was ordering and making the orders to Akatsuki. And Madara reffered to him as the leader. If he was setting Sasuke up. He would have said something less reassuring to pein.

6. But isnt the chakra in Sasuke the same as it is in his eyes. Or unless you saying Sharingan eyes have their own chakra source.
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Sasuke runs out of Chakra fast cuz he Spams A-class to S-class jutsu with Chunnin level Fighting Dei and Itachi both in the same day going all out Says he has very high chakra and stamina even with CS. CS forces chakra out of the body. So technically its still his chakra. Just he probably wont have access to it anymore. But to say Sasuke chakra is on average is not giving it justice. But either I wouldnt say he runs out fast The fights were pretty drawn out.

1.Teamwork is def is needed cause to shock him the guys hand had to be stuck in somebody lol.

2.That Kakashi thing is a story. We've never seen it. Although lightening is diff from a person. Its like the time Oro tried to stab Naruto when he was 4tail. The sword has its own energy source which is why its suppose to be so sharp and can cut through anything. It couldn't pierce Naruto cause of the chakra. 9tails chakras so raw.

3.My point is still the same. How do u expect to get someone in and eye technique is you can't read him. It would go something like this:

Sasuke: look into my eyes
Hachibi: *Stab* I pitty a foo who thinks i'ma fall for an eye technique when he can't even see me attacking.
Sasuke: "ouch, Karin!" Look into my finger!
Hachibi: *Stab*
Sasuke: look into my belt
Hachibi: *Stab* Heres a clue, i only see chakra and energy which is y i'm so sensitive to light. (lol this isn't a fact you can enter any trump car Hachibi has here)
Sasuke: Ouch man, ouch. Bipidy boo/ My Eyes ain't working on you/

4. True i'll give you that but c'mon... he went behind a rock and called them weaklings. Didn't seem phased much at all.

5. Not true. The leader says be best thing to get the goal/plan done. In this scene Pain completely dismisses Tobi aka Madara. When Madara is his boss. Why to give no hint to the others of his importance. No matter what stick to the gameplan.

6. Sasuke's alwasy running out of chakra. Its not impressive to me.

[The Adamant Dragon]

What's the 8 that the 8 tails mentioned at the last page of 412?

Well, Basicly you have to wait for the next chapter to find out <.< O.O
Since its not yet explained, it could be anything... No one here can possibly answer to that question.

We've been granted with epic chapters lately... Hachibi is the best caracter introduced in the second part of Naruto And probably since Gaara and Kimimaru IMO. He's a caracter that'll probably last for long. This fight turned as I hope it would be. The Hachibi is Making Takka Go all out. And for now he asnt displayed any bad injuries, while Takka is all worn out... and he haven't even use any major Jutsu yet. I Cant wait to see his true strengh. It's been a long time since a caracter in Naruto got me so much hooked-up to the manga. Looking forward to his caracter development.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Sasuke using MS does not gurantee victory either, we still haven't seen bijuu form. Bijuu might be able to complete with MS techniques like Susano. Though most likely MS will win.

[heremit_mode]

Sasuke using MS does not gurantee victory either, we still haven't seen bijuu form. Bijuu might be able to complete with MS techniques like Susano. Though most likely MS will win.

MS is clearly overrated, I mean shodaime beat madara once which is proof enough that sharingan users aren't invincible.

[bean]

MS is clearly overrated, I mean shodaime beat madara once which is proof enough that sharingan users aren't invincible.
shodaime also happened to be one of a kind...

[infiernonegro]

i think after team taka get all beat up by the 8tails sasuke will take itachy eyes

[Andonan]

Sasuke won't lose this battle, actually it's better to say that Taka won't lose. Madara guarantee on Sasuke's victory, his predictions have been pretty good so far, so I'll believe him ahahaha

[Karma]

I feel that Itachi and Sasuke is Madara kids...... or Grand kids.... Some thing lead me to think there going to be a twist about madara in the end.. That lead to Itachi couldn't defeat madara and why Madara didn't try to kill itachi... Some thing going to reveal more about Madara.....

Same with Naruto.. he's from a royal bloodline... its a shocker to everyone.. but I think Jiraiya put Naruto in is Bank book incase he died... I also think some news about naruto parents going to reveal to naruto him self pretty soon..
I hope its minato..

[jodi]

I feel that Itachi and Sasuke is Madara kids...... or Grand kids.... Some thing lead me to think there going to be a twist about madara in the end.. That lead to Itachi couldn't defeat madara and why Madara didn't try to kill itachi... Some thing going to reveal more about Madara.....

Same with Naruto.. he's from a royal bloodline... its a shocker to everyone.. but I think Jiraiya put Naruto in is Bank book incase he died... I also think some news about naruto parents going to reveal to naruto him self pretty soon..
I hope its minato..

Madara is like 110 years old (80 years oh Konona + 30 before the foundantion? not sure)

wouldn't he be Sasuke and Itachi great great father?

[bean]

So is Madara... no?

not like shodaime...any uchiha can become like madara if they follow in his footsteps, but not a single senju could do mokuton like the first, or at all, no matter what. Thus, this one of a kind senju was the only one, as far as we know, in the narutoverse capable of taking out madara...he tried, and both succeeded and failed. Madara, however, is still alive.

[Karma]

Madara is like 110 years old (80 years oh Konona + 30 before the foundantion? not sure)

wouldn't he be Sasuke and Itachi great great father?yea.. but u never know in this Kish's world.. because he might be there father or grand or great grand father.... U never know.. he made Orochimaru...:amuse

[Devil-buster]

not like shodaime...any uchiha can become like madara if they follow in his footsteps, but not a single senju could do mokuton like the first, or at all, no matter what. Thus, this one of a kind senju was the only one, as far as we know, in the narutoverse capable of taking out madara...he tried, and both succeeded and failed. Madara, however, is still alive.

Actually all the hokage were unique in their own way....first - mokuton user& can control bijju.....second - amazing water user.......third - god ninja(knew all of konoha's techniques)....fourth - greatest ninja in konoha history.....so u cant say one is more unique than the other......they all had their own strengths.......

Also madara and shodaime arent that different.....they are both kekkai genkai users....they have both excelled than anyone in their clan....also we dont know if shodaime was the only wood user....and while it is truw that every uchiha might be able to attain MS, not everyone might be able to handle it...only those with exceptional chakra and training can master it I believe.....otherwise it wouldnt be so rare.....

Also we dont know if shodaime was the only one to ace madara...there is a possibilty that yodaime faced him....

[The_Drunk]

shodaime also happened to be one of a kind...

I think they all have there unique abilities... The question should have been.. Who do you think can compete against MS.

Madara fears someone in Konoha because with what we've seen so far he should be able to go in to Konoha by himself and destroy it.
Itachi is debatable because he was actually a good guy. So we don't know if anyone could have defeated Itachi in Konoha. Something tells me that even Guy would have fallen by looking at Itachi's feet. LOL.... So here is my list...

Minato... I think could have competed against MS
J-man.... Itachi feared him(again debatable I know because he was a good guy)

Since they are both dead I don't think anyone is capable of standing up against Madara. So why is he waiting. You know the one argument that I can think of that he will not attack Konoha is because he can only use his eye jutsu's maybe three times tops before he starts passing out. Maybe that's why he told Sauskegay that they need each other to defeat Konoha

[bean]

Actually all the hokage were unique in their own way....first - mokuton user& can control bijju.....second - amazing water user.......third - god ninja(knew all of konoha's techniques)....fourth - greatest ninja in konoha history.....so u cant say one is more unique than the other......they all had their own strengths.......

Also madara and shodaime arent that different.....they are both kekkai genkai users....they have both excelled than anyone in their clan....also we dont know if shodaime was the only wood user....and while it is truw that every uchiha might be able to attain MS, not everyone might be able to handle it...only those with exceptional chakra and training can master it I believe.....otherwise it wouldnt be so rare.....

Also we dont know if shodaime was the only one to ace madara...there is a possibilty that yodaime faced him....

I'm not arguing that all the hokages are alike...I'm just saying that the one person KNOWN to have defeated madara also happens to be one of a kind. The other kages have nothing to do with that point. (but if you want to bring them in, regarding the second there are many nins who use water *cough* zabuza/kakashi/suigetsu/kisame *cough* and the third knew a lot of jutsus, but so did kakashi. They didn't have a unique ability that no one else in the narutoverse had.

And madara and shodaime are different in the context of the discussion I was having. Shodaime is a one of kind person who just so happens to have the one thing that defeats the sharingan. The sharingan, though, happens to be present in many ninjas (more so in the past than in the current situation), and any of them could be capable of being as strong if not stronger than madara. Shodaime, the ONLY mokuton user (it is known that he was the only one) is dead, and thus, given what kishi has given us, madara is unbeatable.

As far as the 4th fighting him and beating him, I'm not going to say it didn't happen, but the 4th didn't defeat madara if it did. He may have stopped him and prevented him from destroying konoha, but he did not defeat him (don't know if you know this, but the 4th is dead and madara isn't).


I think they all have there unique abilities... The question should have been.. Who do you think can compete against MS.

Madara fears someone in Konoha because with what we've seen so far he should be able to go in to Konoha by himself and destroy it.
Itachi is debatable because he was actually a good guy. So we don't know if anyone could have defeated Itachi in Konoha. Something tells me that even Guy would have fallen by looking at Itachi's feet. LOL.... So here is my list...

Minato... I think could have competed against MS
J-man.... Itachi feared him(again debatable I know because he was a good guy)

Since they are both dead I don't think anyone is capable of standing up against Madara. So why is he waiting. You know the one argument that I can think of that he will not attack Konoha is because he can only use his eye jutsu's maybe three times tops before he starts passing out. Maybe that's why he told Sauskegay that they need each other to defeat Konoha

I'm just speculating, but he doesn't fear one in konoha, he fears the combined force of konoha. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he is probably capable of taking out any nin in konoha, but he can't take them all on at the same time.

[The Adamant Dragon]

Actually all the hokage were unique in their own way....first - mokuton user& can control bijju.....second - amazing water user.......third - god ninja(knew all of konoha's techniques)....fourth - greatest ninja in konoha history.....so u cant say one is more unique than the other......they all had their own strengths.......

Yeah, for sure. Every single of these Hokage had the potential of taking out Madara. And the Forth Hokage was considered to be the strongest Konoha-kage, wich means people considered that he was even stronger than shodaime and the third.


Also madara and shodaime arent that different.....they are both kekkai genkai users....they have both excelled than anyone in their clan....also we dont know if shodaime was the only wood user....and while it is truw that every uchiha might be able to attain MS, not everyone might be able to handle it...only those with exceptional chakra and training can master it I believe.....otherwise it wouldnt be so rare.....

No,... Any sharigan user can Obtain the MS. The main reason why many couldn't Obtain ( How could you forget about this ) it was because of the sacrifice you have to do in order to Obtain that Power... The sharigan user who wanted to Obtain MS Had the obligation to kill a person he loved the most -- most likely a friend or a familly member -- And then if he wants to grasp sharigan's ultimate powers, acquire even more strengh and attein Immortality, he should have the guts to take away another sharigan user's Eyes ( because he would be blind if he doesn't take another's eyes ).

Strong powers, often have Draw-backs... and Sharigan's are the sacrifices you have to make to obtain its ultimate power.



Also we dont know if shodaime was the only one to ace madara...there is a possibilty that yodaime faced him....

Anything is possible at this point. There's a reason why Minato decided to place the Kyubbi in Naruto. He is praised as a once in a life time Genius and created many Jutsus, With his strengh, knowledge and intelligence ( Since he created a technik like the DEATH GOD Jutsu ) he could've found a different way to defeat the Kyubbi... But instead, he decided to place such a dangerous creature in his own son. All The answers will come soon... And I can't wait to grasp them.

[thalian]

anyone besides me think that with the senjutsu training naruto is doing will help him complete the jutsu that wasnt finished? and does anyone agree with me that it might be the hirashin(spelling?)

[Devil-buster]

I'm not arguing that all the hokages are alike...I'm just saying that the one person KNOWN to have defeated madara also happens to be one of a kind. The other kages have nothing to do with that point. (but if you want to bring them in, regarding the second there are many nins who use water *cough* zabuza/kakashi/suigetsu/kisame *cough* and the third knew a lot of jutsus, but so did kakashi. They didn't have a unique ability that no one else in the narutoverse had.

And madara and shodaime are different in the context of the discussion I was having. Shodaime is a one of kind person who just so happens to have the one thing that defeats the sharingan. The sharingan, though, happens to be present in many ninjas (more so in the past than in the current situation), and any of them could be capable of being as strong if not stronger than madara. Shodaime, the ONLY mokuton user (it is known that he was the only one) is dead, and thus, given what kishi has given us, madara is unbeatable.

As far as the 4th fighting him and beating him, I'm not going to say it didn't happen, but the 4th didn't defeat madara if it did. He may have stopped him and prevented him from destroying konoha, but he did not defeat him (don't know if you know this, but the 4th is dead and madara isn't).

It is true that there r many people who can use water jutsu, but not many could use it on his level.....its like many people can use wind jutsu but not everyone has a jutsu as destructive as the rasenshuriken,,,,,also kakashi can only use water jutsu and some other minor jutsu such as the shadow clone....in short he only copied jutsu inherent to his elements.......where as the third could use elemental fusions, and he even mastered the death god technique which was only used by the fourth(once)....so u cant really compare kakashi with the third......inheent ability with acquired ability......

considering the fourth had faced madara...and not defeated him...why did madara stop...he could have gone on to attack konoha, they were at their weakest point...the fact that he retreated means he was defeated.....

[bean]

It is true that there r many people who can use water jutsu, but not many could use it on his level.....its like many people can use wind jutsu but not everyone has a jutsu as destructive as the rasenshuriken,,,,,also kakashi can only use water jutsu and some other minor jutsu such as the shadow clone....in short he only copied jutsu inherent to his elements.......where as the third could use elemental fusions, and he even mastered the death god technique which was only used by the fourth(once)....so u cant really compare kakashi with the third......inheent ability with acquired ability......

considering the fourth had faced madara...and not defeated him...why did madara stop...he could have gone on to attack konoha, they were at their weakest point...the fact that he retreated means he was defeated.....

look, you're taking my argument and applying it on something I wasn't even talking about. All I'm saying is that there are others with similar abilities to the second unlike the first, where no one has abilities like his (granted yamato can do what the first could, but he's an engineered freak and doesn't count). The first, essentially, is one of a kind, where as madara, any given uchiha could work to be like him. No senju can say that about the first.

and as far as the madara vs the 4th goes, we know nothing about it other than that madara may have been involved in unleashing the kyuubi. Whether he was present there or actually confronted the 4th, we have no idea if it's true or not. But according to madara, he had nothing to do with it...we'll find out sooner or later.

[The Adamant Dragon]

About Madara vs the Kages <--- the 1st and the 4th:

By the time Madara fought shodaime, he already acquired the MS And unlocked Sharigan's Ultimate power. And if in fact he fought against the 4th too and have survived, its Obviously because of his Immortal. Shodaime didn't know about Madara's immortality and left him for dead in the valley of the end Assuming it was over. And when he maybe faced the 4th the same thing happened, but this time, Yondaime found about his immortality ( Well, Duh... He's fighting a guy who's supposed to be dead 80+ years ago ) and at the last minute used the death-god jutsu to place the Kyubbi in Naruto and Madara's secret ( About his immortality and a way to complitly defeat him ). And there's a reason why there's such a long gap between each of his attempts... Why wait so 10+ years before making another attempt to crush Konoha? Sure the fights must've taken alot out of him... But there's something more. And the fourth probably figured it all out and Sacrificed himself in the process.

After they find-out how his immortality works, He's toast. Like every other Akatsuki members who claimed to be unbeatable and immortal... After the opponent discover what his immortality is based on ... the fight was already over. ( Kakuzu had 5 heats and Sasori got rid of his internal Organs and made himself a puppet, placing his weak point in his torso ). But I'm sure Madara's immortality is way more complicated than that.

[Andonan]

I dunno this whole immortality is just so bloody fishy...... I know he's Madara, and he's not lying but there has got to be something more too it. I'm starting to doubt that he's in Obito's body, because that would strike me as a little too Oro-esk....... And if the EMS power is reality immortality.....well let's just say I'd be pretty bloody annoyed..... I think the ability could be to replace his organs....I know that sounds odd, but hear me out. We know he can move both parts of his entire body to anywhere whenever we want, we know he can do this at the speed of light also.....Well what if, he bit his old organs somewhere else then replaced them with new ones using his space/time jutsu...... perhaps his body was destroyed when he fought the first and he replaced it, and then for another reason took features from obito, maybe half his body or something, all I know is I'm very unsure. And we still have never actually seen Madara using EMS in the present, this alone strikes me as odd. If you had EMS and it never destroyed your eye sight why not always use it......another prediction, maybe your eye's don't deteriorate when using the EMS, MAYBE your entire body does? I dunno I'm grasping at straws here, it just all seems a bit odd....

But that paragraph may have annoyed the montors so as for predictions I see the 8-tail laying some smackdown using this 'eight' he's going on about ahahaha.....

[pranabowjake]

i havent even been reading but this page and it's already annoyed me. what the hell brought on the idea that madara fought yondai? their were alot of other ninja present during the kyubi attack, most of which lived on but were injured and no one ever spoke of an enemy ninja being present with the kyubi. that's a really stupid idea to think they fought there. as far as who was better, the only thing we can go on is that madara's space/time jitsu is better than yondai's but we dont know how everything else stacks up. as far as nidai he was/is comparable to kisame, but kisame is probably stronger. sandai was far stronger than kakashi, atleast in his prime, but agian, where did this "elemental fusion" crap come from? he was called sensei because he knew all the jitsu's present in konoha, not because he was making up some fused jitsu crap that all the fanboys wish he had. and to the point of why madara was defeated by shodai... well that's easy, they were both amazing ninja's of their time, shodai could cripple madara's strongest weapon, kyubi, while controlling 5+ tailed beasts of his own. seems like an easy win to me.

[binkansarariman]

actually many of the akatsukis were made up of immortals like madara, hidan n kakuzu.. sasori too have the potential of being immortal himself. I dont know about others like itachi, zetsu, pein n konan..orochimaru, the ex-akatsuki have the knowledge of transferring to another body...surely they posses jutsus that can prolong their live..

[Boagrious]

actually many of the akatsukis were made up of immortals like madara, hidan n kakuzu.. sasori too have the potential of being immortal himself. I dont know about others like itachi, zetsu, pein n konan..orochimaru, the ex-akatsuki have the knowledge of transferring to another body...surely they posses jutsus that can prolong their live..

Itachi was already dying when he fought Sasuke, just to clear the fact.

[S.I.M Editor]

About Madara vs the Kages <--- the 1st and the 4th:

By the time Madara fought shodaime, he already acquired the MS And unlocked Sharigan's Ultimate power. And if in fact he fought against the 4th too and have survived, its Obviously because of his Immortal. Shodaime didn't know about Madara's immortality and left him for dead in the valley of the end Assuming it was over. And when he maybe faced the 4th the same thing happened, but this time, Yondaime found about his immortality ( Well, Duh... He's fighting a guy who's supposed to be dead 80+ years ago ) and at the last minute used the death-god jutsu to place the Kyubbi in Naruto and Madara's secret ( About his immortality and a way to complitly defeat him ). And there's a reason why there's such a long gap between each of his attempts... Why wait so 10+ years before making another attempt to crush Konoha? Sure the fights must've taken alot out of him... But there's something more. And the fourth probably figured it all out and Sacrificed himself in the process.

After they find-out how his immortality works, He's toast. Like every other Akatsuki members who claimed to be unbeatable and immortal... After the opponent discover what his immortality is based on ... the fight was already over. ( Kakuzu had 5 heats and Sasori got rid of his internal Organs and made himself a puppet, placing his weak point in his torso ). But I'm sure Madara's immortality is way more complicated than that.

dude what the hell are you going on about?
all it was said was that he sacrificed himself to stop the kyuubi from destroying the village. it never said madara was there. if you wanna say what you think, make it clear. rather than making it seem like your stating a fact.

[Camel-san]

Couldn't Yondi just have used a kage bunshin like the third did when he fought the first and second for the kyuubi? And then Madara could have killed him...That would give Naruto the motivation to kill the fucker no?

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

dude what the hell are you going on about?
all it was said was that he sacrificed himself to stop the kyuubi from destroying the village. it never said madara was there. if you wanna say what you think, make it clear. rather than making it seem like your stating a fact.

What are YOU going on about? He said "maybe", which is meant to signify an opinion. It's obvious that he's not stating it as a fact, especially since he's not Kishi. It's just an opinion, take it easy.

[Black Thought]

Wow. Looks like Naruto won't be able to use his KB training. Why doesn't he just teach the frog KB? Lol.

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

Wow. Looks like Naruto won't be able to use his KB training. Why doesn't he just teach the frog KB? Lol.

Not enough time. I'm pretty sure that the kyuubi is the answer to speeding up this training process, I just don't know how yet. I got the suspension when it was stated that Senjutsu requires a lot of chakra. What has more chakra than the kyuubi?

[Andonan]

@ S.I.M. Editor:
Yeah I agree with Yondaime, take it easy mate, this is a prediction thread, and his opinion is also his prediction so take it easy, dispute if you want but there is no point blatantly abusing the guy, that attitude has no place on these forums.....

@ Camel-san
I'm a little confused on what your post meant, when did the 4th fight the 1st and the 2nd for control for the Kyuubi or was this just a typo or something, or maybe I'm just slow ahahaha

Anyway I think that we've gotten we still don't know if Madara was present at the destruction of Konoha and death of the 4th, and we don't really know what transpired that night, so let's leave it at that and move back onto what is important, the 8-tail laying smackdown ahahahaha

[Uru]

not necessarily true...he knows what sasuke can be capable of and sometimes that is just enough... I hate using real world examples, but it's like assuming the Michael Phelps is going to get the gold, even without knowing who he's going to swim against.

One moment pls...

U are not sure about it.U can have 99% of chance, ok.But u cant be sure Phelps will win..
(Especially if there arent informations about others 7 swimmers..
In this case victory % decreases ulteriorly..)

Remember at the J-man words (in his end)."The small frog of pond that sinks in the depths of the sea…"
In other words.. The small fish is like a shark when it is in its blows.When it will be in the sea, things will be different..
French swimmers i.e. last day have grazed the result... Phelps or not..

Can we assume that Madara has sent sasuke aware against hachibi knowing that it could not have won?(In order to even force him to use his MS?)
Or better.. In order to put into Sasuke's head that his MS is not enough for being a powerful ninja in the open sea?

[piscesking]

Well I think that Wind element is very rare.......... only few people have it even asuma was surprised that naruto has it............

[cats]

just my thoughts in regards to naruto's sennin training.
is it possible that the solution to the training is in the fact that you only turn into a frog when the nature energy overpowers your physical + mental, which with his limitless kyuubi chakra (if the kyuubi is like the one from japanese legend) should theoretically be impossible for it to do regardless of how much nature energy flows into him? would it also mean that naruto is capable of being powered up to far superior levels than jiraiya or grandpa frog as he would then be able to utilise the maximum capacity of nature energy available to him for senjutsu? :3

[Holland]

Sasuke is going to be pushed to the absolute edge and will be forced to put Itachi's eyes in after this fight. It is the reason Madara sent him. Sasuke thinks he is not a pawn, but most pawns think this.

[neomaster121]

just my thoughts in regards to naruto's sennin training.
is it possible that the solution to the training is in the fact that you only turn into a frog when the nature energy overpowers your physical + mental, which with his limitless kyuubi chakra (if the kyuubi is like the one from japanese legend) should theoretically be impossible for it to do regardless of how much nature energy flows into him? would it also mean that naruto is capable of being powered up to far superior levels than jiraiya or grandpa frog as he would then be able to utilise the maximum capacity of nature energy available to him for senjutsu? :3

yea thats a theory i thought when they talked about the balancing but depends if the 9 tails chakra effects him badly while in senjutsu mode, if he can use it with senjutsu and maintain everything about himself like how he did when he first fought garra n neji then i think this is a possiblity

[samsiufan]

In regards to the conversation about the Hokages vs Madara...it is important to recognise that the power of Konoha nins has been greatly depleted. I believe since the death of the 4th, things have gone downhill for Konoha...I agree with bean, Shodaime was one of a kind, then 3 generation later, Yondaime was also one of a different kind (and I believe the only other person that could possibly defeat Madara) and two generation later, Naruto (and I believe he is one of a kind in a different way to the other 2) has appeared and though Konoha will probably hate to admit it, their fate depends on Naruto...he epitomises everything from the shodaime to the yondaime. I think Tsunade is just a placeholder for Naruto because Naruto is just not ready.

[Devil-buster]

i havent even been reading but this page and it's already annoyed me. what the hell brought on the idea that madara fought yondai? their were alot of other ninja present during the kyubi attack, most of which lived on but were injured and no one ever spoke of an enemy ninja being present with the kyubi. that's a really stupid idea to think they fought there. as far as who was better, the only thing we can go on is that madara's space/time jitsu is better than yondai's but we dont know how everything else stacks up. as far as nidai he was/is comparable to kisame, but kisame is probably stronger. sandai was far stronger than kakashi, atleast in his prime, but agian, where did this "elemental fusion" crap come from? he was called sensei because he knew all the jitsu's present in konoha, not because he was making up some fused jitsu crap that all the fanboys wish he had. and to the point of why madara was defeated by shodai... well that's easy, they were both amazing ninja's of their time, shodai could cripple madara's strongest weapon, kyubi, while controlling 5+ tailed beasts of his own. seems like an easy win to me.


The discussion came from jiraiya saying madara was the one who summoned the kyubi....now why would he say that if he didnt know that madara was alive....and who is to say that jiraiya wasnt present at the kyubi attack....also thing about madara's space time jutsu being better than yodaime's, well its is better in the fact that it requies no tags or summoning that is it....but the way yodaime fought he surrounded his area with tagged kunai's so I dont think that would matter.....

Also sandaime did use elemental fusion in his fight against orochmaru when he used eart and fire together.....there is a difference between elemental fusions and kekkai genkai....get ur facts right before u go running ur mouth....

[carlhanz]

Also sandaime did use elemental fusion in his fight against orochmaru when he used eart and fire together.....there is a difference between elemental fusions and kekkai genkai....get ur facts right before u go running ur mouth....

ok I think your ideas are a little of the chart, first that elemental fusion technique, doesn't even exist in naruto and if you are referring to a power like mokuton then you're wrong, because sandaime uses the elements like any other jonin would, although how many elements he could use we don't know, but in the fight we see he can use at least 2 that are fire and earth, but if he was called the professor then we could say he uses all 5 elements

[Dekker]

The discussion came from jiraiya saying madara was the one who summoned the kyubi....now why would he say that if he didnt know that madara was alive

Well, maybe because he only had the feeling, that Madara may have been behind it?
You may refresh your mind by reading this and the next few pages (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/14/). He only says that he thinks, that Madara might be behind it. But he does neither have any proof, nor does he explicitly say, that he was certain that it was him.

So, your own quote, runs for you, too:

get ur facts right before u go running ur mouth....

[Dr_Destino]

In this week there is Naruto ?

[Dekker]

I think i was said that there is none this week

[S.I.M Editor]

lol mad pwnage goin on here hahahahah.

and nah, no naruto this week. something about last weeks chapter being a double post or somethin.

[makko]

Hey to anyone... Has any of the MAJOR bad/good guys ever lied in this manga yet? I'm wondering because that would clear a lot of things up. I know characters have said thing as if they were facts because thats what they thought was the truth then were proven wrong. I mean straight out lied. I can't seem to remember. I think this would clear a lot of things up. Like if Madara says he didn't release the 9tail. If no character has really lied before like Oro etc its consistent that Madara probably wouldn't lie either. Itachi says he did release the 9tail... is that a like or a fact based on his interpretation. I just feel like half the arguments in here are based on what characters say and think is "reality" as Itachi would say.

[bean]

One moment pls...

U are not sure about it.U can have 99% of chance, ok.But u cant be sure Phelps will win..
(Especially if there arent informations about others 7 swimmers..
In this case victory % decreases ulteriorly..)

Remember at the J-man words (in his end)."The small frog of pond that sinks in the depths of the sea…"
In other words.. The small fish is like a shark when it is in its blows.When it will be in the sea, things will be different..
French swimmers i.e. last day have grazed the result... Phelps or not..

Can we assume that Madara has sent sasuke aware against hachibi knowing that it could not have won?(In order to even force him to use his MS?)
Or better.. In order to put into Sasuke's head that his MS is not enough for being a powerful ninja in the open sea?

that's the thing, whether madara is right or not is not in question. We're discussing his blind faith that sasuke will win. He knows what sasuke is capable of and that's all he needs to base his claim that he will win, regardless of who his opponent is. I know that michael phelps is a great swimmer, and according to his performances throughout the years, he's probably the best. So, I'll go as far as to say that he'll win his 8 gold medals, regardless of who he's going up against. That's like madara saying sasuke will win for sure. It may not be right, but that's what he's saying. If you read what I was responding to, madara doesn't need to know what the hachibi is capable of and say, "well, sasuke might have a hard time" He knows something about sasuke that we don't (most likely what his MS can and will do) and that's why he was so confident.

[gold349]

Well, maybe because he only had the feeling, that Madara may have been behind it?
You may refresh your mind by reading this and the next few pages (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/14/). He only says that he thinks, that Madara might be behind it. But he does neither have any proof, nor does he explicitly say, that he was certain that it was him.

So, your own quote, runs for you, too:



IMO, pure assumption on my part, if Jiraiya had gotten back alive and maybe coupled with a report Kakashi and team konohas confrontation with a sharingan user other than Itachi and Saske, Uchiha Madaras name could be at the top of the list of suspects. This whole thing with akatuksi stinks and as Jiraiya said only one person in history could have summoned/controlled kyubi then that was Madara and this thing with akatuksi involves kyubi as well as other bijuu so putting his name in the hat of top suspects may not be that far fetched.

[jerger]

hey guys the posts lately have been much better than the last few weeks these are some great theories!

1. naruto's 9tail chakra... might help him over ride nature from the oil... but on the flip side... it might be pushed to the side so he is A+B+C=D... where a=b=c... right now he has A+B+=and they are not equal to eachother, he is out of balance. he might be able to balance all three... what does this mean? his blue natural chakra is probably as great as his demon chakra, but so will his nature. he just doesn't realize his own potential

2. err... replace his eyes... he does have a medic now. that would be an fed up way to end it but i didn't think of that before. i hope he doesn't have to go there.

[gold349]

kyubi power/chakra should come through for naruto here, kyubi is also known as a natural disaster, IMO the kyubi chakra should be able to help Naruto achieve the balance needed, kyubis power, Narutos own mental strength we will see here, kyubi is in no position here, he is threatened with turning to stone or help balance natural energy as so Naruto doesn't lose here and turn to frog/stone himself maybe this is the gamble or Naruto realised from what Fukasaku said about only those who have loads of chakra can only do this.

[Devil-buster]

Well, maybe because he only had the feeling, that Madara may have been behind it?
You may refresh your mind by reading this and the next few pages (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/14/). He only says that he thinks, that Madara might be behind it. But he does neither have any proof, nor does he explicitly say, that he was certain that it was him.

So, your own quote, runs for you, too:

actually he says he is certain it was an intensinal summon and also that uchiha madara was the one able to summon the kyubi...if u piece that together wat do u get...

and abt the thirds elemental affinity,
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/120/14/

it is said that the thirs knew all the techniques in the leaf village......that includes all the elements....
actually the one sandaime uses in the fight against orochimaru might have been anime only.....but they do exist.....
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/

[Tweaker]

not to butt inn on your discussion but...http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/11/ Jirayia says no person can have all the elemental chakra.

[gold349]

not to butt inn on your discussion but...http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/11/ Jirayia says no person can have all the elemental chakra.

Your not buting in, its a disscusion/prediction forum, anyway he was specifically talking about Nagato the rinnagan user and that may be only because he has the same eyes as rikado sannin and is a trait of rinnagan, it allows you to have use of all elements.

Sandaime being able to use various elements, all that exist in konoha may be possible as it was said he can use all jutsu in konoha, using elemental fusions may be possible but only those combinations that are not attributed to bloodline limits like Haku could make ice, IMO sandaime wouldn't have been able to make ice but could have combined the same 2 elements and make something else who knows what that could be but blood line limits isn't something people can/should say that sandaime may have been able to do.

[bean]

Your not buting in, its a disscusion/prediction forum, anyway he was specifically talking about Nagato the rinnagan user and that may be only because he has the same eyes as rikado sannin and is a trait of rinnagan, it allows you to have use of all elements.

Sandaime being able to use various elements, all that exist in konoha may be possible as it was said he can use all jutsu in konoha, using elemental fusions may be possible but only those combinations that are not attributed to bloodline limits like Haku could make ice, IMO sandaime wouldn't have been able to make ice but could have combined the same 2 elements and make something else who knows what that could be but blood line limits isn't something people can/should say that sandaime may have been able to do.
I doubt sandaime could fuse elements. That's clearly a KG and he wouldn't have been capable of it. There's so many things wrong with what oro said, and he may have just been mocking him. The sharingan was a doujutsu in konoha, and I doubt saru could do it, same goes for the byakugan, and whatever jutsu are associated with it. No one, not even sandy, could fuse elements unless they had a KG (or something similar, like a bijuu within him). At most, he could probably do the 5 known elements, and probably couldn't use that last unknown one.

[The Adamant Dragon]

not to butt inn on your discussion but...http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/11/ Jirayia says no person can have all the elemental chakra.

No one but a Rinnegan User. Plus Nagato had Control of the 6 elements not 5... the sixth element has yet to be revealed. So when jiraya says that no one can have all Elemental chakra, he's including the sixth element. But Sarutobi, like it was stated in the manga, could use all basic 5 element known in shinobi world... Because it wouldn't have been said that he mastered all techniks in konoha if he didn't have all five elements. Sarutobi, as stated in the manga, had a unique chakra that allowed him to bend 5 elements. Having the ability to use the 5 basic elements is something rare and uncommon in the shinobi world... But using all 5 plus the 6 element is impossible. And Pain is the only one Able to use all 6 Elements and at 10 proficiency

[leafs green beast]

I think that just because the sandaime "knows" all the jutsu, doesnt mean he has an affinity for all elements. its like saying just because he knows how the aburame clans techniques doesnt mean he can use them. (1st post, long time follower of MH) :D

[bean]

I think that just because the sandaime "knows" all the jutsu, doesnt mean he has an affinity for all elements. its like saying just because he knows how the aburame clans techniques doesnt mean he can use them. (1st post, long time follower of MH) :D
Hey, hope you have fun here.

Oro clearly states that sandaime knew all justus within konoha and could use them.

[narutokuro]

I think everyone should stop pointing fingers at characters and start pointing fingers at Kishi who writes the blasted manga. Its almost impossible for any story not to have any continuity issues or step on aformentioned themes. I think its one of those things, like in the matrix where the cop sees the agent jump across the building and says "no one can..." Its just embellish on the strength on the character that kishi is working on. Just b/c J-man says no one, obiviously Kishi can and will change his mind at will. One word...Pein!

[Tweaker]

ah well, i thought i should just point at what Jirayia said

[bean]

ah well, i thought i should just point at what Jirayia said
yeah, we get that and appreciate it, but this manga is full of characters saying "no one can do that" and then someone does. Small example, tsunade said noone except the 4th and jiraiya could do the rasengan. You have to kill your BFF to get MS, yet kakashi has it. I could go on, but I can't remember more instances ATM.

[Tweaker]

yeah, we get that and appreciate it, but this manga is full of characters saying "no one can do that" and then someone does. Small example, tsunade said noone except the 4th and jiraiya could do the rasengan. You have to kill your BFF to get MS, yet kakashi has it. I could go on, but I can't remember more instances ATM.

now that you mention it, "no one can do that", does get said alot in this manga, so confusing...

[bean]

now that you mention it, "no one can do that", does get said alot in this manga, so confusing...
it's just a device kishi uses to describe how difficult something is or should be, without actually having someone say it's really difficult. By saying it's impossible, it makes it more dramatic, and you're more impressed by the person who did it because they just accomplished the "impossible"

[Tweaker]

it's just a device kishi uses to describe how difficult something is or should be, without actually having someone say it's really difficult. By saying it's impossible, it makes it more dramatic, and you're more impressed by the person who did it because they just accomplished the "impossible"

but if it get said to often dosent it get boring, and to predictable?

[Alex_1]

I doubt sandaime could fuse elements. That's clearly a KG and he wouldn't have been capable of it.

AH! And I think that might have been what Orochimaru was shooting for. Imagine how powerful he would have been then. And who knows... with the host bodies, it was never really elaborated on how the elemental affinity worked... because he just reverted to his creepy snake techniques. :D Using Ice, Mokuton, etc. He tried reduplicatign them but failed before.

[papeles]

About sandaime and elements:
-he could use LEaf's jutsus, not because he had afinity but because he practised hard imo, just like kakashi can use various elements without having afinity
-He couldn't mix elements into one new (fusion -haku and yamato can-) because that would be a KG just as kakashi explained to naturo during his KB training. He could mix elements (wich is completly diferent,) making one strong jutsu just like he did with orochimaru (doton+katon), other example: making katon+fuuton jutsu resulting in a stronger katon

[Black Thought]

Yeah, Naruto is all about breaking down barriers. How many times have we heard "No one can do that" only to turn around and have it be done. Tsunade: " You can't learn Rasengan" Sasuke: " You can't put a scratch on my forehead " Do the examples equal out to the level of discussion? Probably not, but you get what I mean. ;D

[PitchBlack857]

Yeah, Naruto is all about breaking down barriers. How many times have we heard "No one can do that" only to turn around and have it be done. Tsunade: " You can't learn Rasengan" Sasuke: " You can't put a scratch on my forehead " Do the examples equal out to the level of discussion? Probably not, but you get what I mean. ;D

Even though it's just Manga It's also a inspiration to never give up and if you really put your mind to it you can achieve just about anything.

Naruto is the stupid loser ninja who's gonna be Hokage(KING) one Day. That's a great story.

[God]

Yeah, Naruto is all about breaking down barriers. How many times have we heard "No one can do that" only to turn around and have it be done. Tsunade: " You can't learn Rasengan" Sasuke: " You can't put a scratch on my forehead " Do the examples equal out to the level of discussion? Probably not, but you get what I mean. ;D

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto did something that was thought unachievable...it just like Naruto.

[Lelo]

well I predict this chapter will show a little more Naruto, there won't be that much action, mostly talking. Hopefully this training won't take that long, chapter wise.
[hr]

Yeah, Naruto is all about breaking down barriers. How many times have we heard "No one can do that" only to turn around and have it be done. Tsunade: " You can't learn Rasengan" Sasuke: " You can't put a scratch on my forehead " Do the examples equal out to the level of discussion? Probably not, but you get what I mean. ;D

I know, how many times has a shinobi said "IMPOSSIBLE", especially Kakashi. But thats what this Manga is about, the next generations always surpassing the previous one and never giving up

[Kalkojutsu]

I hope Sasule will lose this time
just for a change

[neomaster121]

well the way i see it is next weeks chapter (since no chapter this week) will either be all about sasuke or a mixture of naruto and peins arrival.

But i think its more likly we get more of sasuke fight with no naruto in it what so ever. The guy seems to be bringing out his best move which will then lead to his downful as sasuke uses his ms to keep alive then the second eye jutsu to win, we might even see a 3rd jutsu.
i don't want to see sasuke running back to get itachi's eyes that would be a cheap power up

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Do you think the kyuubi chakra affects Naruto's ability to master senjutsu? if so the key may be used in this training.

[bean]

I'm surprised the key hasn't been mentioned yet...should have been the first thing fuka told him about when he got to the mountain.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I'm surprised the key hasn't been mentioned yet...should have been the first thing fuka told him about when he got to the mountain.

Maybe Naruto can use senjutsu to learn that jutsu, since it seems it requires a lot of chakra. There's no point in doing the key training another time, they might as well do it in one go, even after Pein is defeated there may not be time to train because of Madara, Sasuke, etc.

[neomaster121]

I'm surprised the key hasn't been mentioned yet...should have been the first thing fuka told him about when he got to the mountain.

i think he wants naruto to use senjutsu before they even bring about the key to naruto
i think that the jutsu naruto is surpossed to learn that needs the 9 tails chakra also needs senjutsu considering j-man taught it to him. I believe j-man decided that naruto should use the 9 tails chakra instead of nature chakra to complete it thus opening they seal with the key, but now that naruto learning senjutsu i think he will combine 9 tials chakra to complete and boost his secret jutsu to a new level of power

[bean]

i'm just saying, the scroll frog was in konoha...i hope kishi doesn't pull one of those, "something did happen but i'll bring it up later when it's relevant..." like the whole itachi/naruto thing.

[The Adamant Dragon]

Naruto will complete his training... he has no choice if he hope to defeat Pain.
I Beleive that While Pain strike at konoha, the code will be completly deciphered. Pain will srely kill some key caracters and When the news about Pain and the code arrive at Naruto he'll want to go fight Pain right away but Pa-frog won't let him Go tellin him that he's still too weak. So I Beleive Naruto will complete his training this time. And with the Help of Senjutsu, he'll Complete his FRS.

But most importantly, I Hope he gets some taijutsu training or even acquire a sword... a wind sword. That'd be cool. The outcome of his training is really impredictable... If he really wish to save everyone and Avenge Jiraya, he'll stay to train, otherwise we'll get the same Naruto.

[Vladnik]

i think he wants naruto to use senjutsu before they even bring about the key to naruto
i think that the jutsu naruto is surpossed to learn that needs the 9 tails chakra also needs senjutsu considering j-man taught it to him. I believe j-man decided that naruto should use the 9 tails chakra instead of nature chakra to complete it thus opening they seal with the key, but now that naruto learning senjutsu i think he will combine 9 tials chakra to complete and boost his secret jutsu to a new level of power

dont know if someone mentioned it before but i wonder if everything this doesnt lead to Yondaime space-time jutsu cant remember the name...it must consume considerable amount of chakra+it was one of the strongest jutsu if not the strongest one

[makko]

I'm surprised the key hasn't been mentioned yet...should have been the first thing fuka told him about when he got to the mountain.

True. I guess he is keeping it on the hush because adding the 9tails chakra is just another energy source to balance. He need 2 sources for regular jutsu's and Senjutsu uses Nature. So thats balancing 3. He probably wants naruto to hold that down before he unlocks the gates of hell. Having to balance 4...

I think soon we'll be given developments as to how Naruto will master Senjutsu. Once we see that i think they will pull away from Naruto for a bit to keep us guessing how strong he's gotten with it. I think in the next chapter they'll focus on what the 8tail is really made of. We should see something crazy with his abilities. Sasuke will actually get desperate and will push himself further unless Madara comes to help. They'll leave that fight and maybe we wont get to see the end of it (till later). Then focus on Pain and how he couldn't find Naruto but clashed with Kakashi/Gai. Gai may die... and that would push the story towards that development of Kakashi (another close friend dying?) we've wanted to see. Flashback; the works. lol then maybe Rock Lee will have a reason to comeback crazy... all to complete the "hard work era".

[jerger]

there is no 4th chakra system, since hell is part of his demon chakra already...

unleashing it... first is what i thought would happen. now that he is learning nature chakra... he will have to learn how to maintan that ! so afterwards... maintaining demon chakra will be much easier due to previous experience.

this leads me to think.. did the 8tails already have this type of training? is that why he is able to master his demon chakra?

[Sparkling Chidori]

I hope it's Gai that dies, I'm not really a fan of him, the only thing I like that he's done is the fight with Kisame, I think unless his power is shown against tough opponents, like with Kakashi, he may as well die.

I wanna see Naruto after he jumped into the pool of oil, was that meant to be significant? when he put a touch of it on his wrist he started turning froggy, now he's got it all on his body, in his mouth and ears probably,lol, I hope we see a clear development with Naruto.

[Franckie]

anyone besides me think that with the senjutsu training naruto is doing will help him complete the jutsu that wasnt finished? and does anyone agree with me that it might be the hirashin(spelling?)
Hiraishin is a Minato-exclusive tech that has already been paradied by Madara. Besides, Naruto knows a substitute for the jutsu already. It's called Kage Bunshin and he learned it in chapter 1.


Couldn't Yondi just have used a kage bunshin like the third did when he fought the first and second for the kyuubi? And then Madara could have killed him...That would give Naruto the motivation to kill the fucker no?

Naruto already has the motivation to kill Madara. Naruto's personal incentive won't be Minato though, it'll be Sasuke as it has been for both Oro and Itachi.


Oro clearly states that sandaime knew all justus within konoha and could use them.

Oro never said that.


フフフ......
木ノ葉に存在する術の全てを知り 扱うプロフェッサーと呼ばれたあなたが

Fu Fu Fu......
You who was called the Professor, for knowing and being able to deal with every jutsu that exists in Konoha...

The word in question here is 扱う (atsukau), and its literal meaning is "to deal with" or "to handle". Because it's physically impossible for Sandaime to use every jutsu in Konoha, "to deal with" is more accurate.

[Devil-buster]

Hiraishin is a Minato-exclusive tech that has already been paradied by Madara. Besides, Naruto knows a substitute for the jutsu already. It's called Kage Bunshin and he learned it in chapter 1.

The word in question here is 扱う (atsukau), and its literal meaning is "to deal with" or "to handle". Because it's physically impossible for Sandaime to use every jutsu in Konoha, "to deal with" is more accurate.

Actually madara never perfected hirashin.....his technique is completely different...for all we know it might be like a space time jutsu that kakashi uses in MS but madara uses it far more advancely...and kage bushin is nothing like hirashin....it is easy to counter...it is splits a users chakra evenly...making the bushins less and les powerful....kage bushin was designed to be an infiltration jutsu for relaying info...not for combat....

Also the part about, what oro said.....when u take it in the context of what he was saying it makes no sense.....if the meaning was to deal with....it would make no sense, does that mean he has counters to all of konoha jutsu....also he would be called the professor rather the deal wither..lol...and also it does make sense to know all the jutsu and not being able to use it.....

[Boagrious]

I hope it's Gai that dies, I'm not really a fan of him, the only thing I like that he's done is the fight with Kisame, I think unless his power is shown against tough opponents, like with Kakashi, he may as well die.

I wanna see Naruto after he jumped into the pool of oil, was that meant to be significant? when he put a touch of it on his wrist he started turning froggy, now he's got it all on his body, in his mouth and ears probably,lol, I hope we see a clear development with Naruto.

Gai is a very tough opponent against anybody. He is one of the only people that know how to fight tai against a sharingan, he beat 30% Kisame with one attack, and he only opened the sixth gate, and there are 8 of them. And I say that Kisame is by far tougher that Kakashi, the guy has been with Madara for a while. Not to mention his chakra reserve is the largest within Akatsuki. And he was Itachis companion.

[Sparkling Chidori]

Gai is a very tough opponent against anybody. He is one of the only people that know how to fight tai against a sharingan, he beat 30% Kisame with one attack, and he only opened the sixth gate, and there are 8 of them. And I say that Kisame is by far tougher that Kakashi, the guy has been with Madara for a while. Not to mention his chakra reserve is the largest within Akatsuki. And he was Itachis companion.

I wasn't saying he wasn't tough against anyone, he could probably give anyone a good fight in the manga, but I don't see the point in having a strong character like that, when he's not being used to his potential, I mean the last fight we saw him in he was made to look like he was in the same league as Neji and Lee. I think it's kind of a shame, was awesome seeing him give Kisame a good fight, but unless he has more of them, I would rather see him die and have that give Lee some encouragement and development.

[bean]

Lee's the last one to need encouragement...Gai dying seems kinda pointless, but kishi could probably spin it to mean something...the good thing about kishi is that when he kills a character, it pushes the story forward rather than it being just a story cleansing (for example, that english broad who wrote the harry potter books, in the last book she was dropping characters left and right, and some of them were just for shits and giggles, or at least it seemed to me like it was that way...she was just trimming the fat so that she didn't have to write about them and conclude their stories...kishi hasn't really done that)

Gai could die against pein to show how futile it is to go up against pein, or he could die protecting someone (kakashi) to prove that ultimately he was better, but those seem like shallow reasons. I can, however, regardless of the reason, see gai dying by openning all the gates.

@franckie
just going by the scanlations that are available to me. I didn't get into the manga until after the timeskip. I didn't even know you could find a raw or a rescanlation for a chapter that is that old.

[Sparkling Chidori]

I could definitely see Gai dying by opening all gates, him protecting Kakashi seems a little bit predictable, and Kishi is never normally that straight forward. . It doesn't seem enough for Gai to die just to show how ruthless Pein is though, but it could be for that and something else. I forgot that him and Kakashi had that strange bond, could his death result in seeing something new from Kakashi? He always seems to pull out something new when he or Konoha are in trouble.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Gai won't die you need keep some characters that allow kishi to implement comedy into the story/series.

[makko]

Gai could die against pein to show how futile it is to go up against pein, or he could die protecting someone (kakashi) to prove that ultimately he was better, but those seem like shallow reasons. I can, however, regardless of the reason, see gai dying by openning all the gates.


Yea i just think it would be a transition to Kakashi's growth that we're suppose to get. Him losing his closest friend that he has now. Might bring back memories or trigger something for him. I'm just thinking if Tsunade got word that Pain was in the area who would she send? 2 or 3 Ninjas that work well together. To me thats Gai and Kakashi. Maybe Yamato as well but i dont see him dying. I think his abilities are to connected to the undercurrent of the story.

[g1534]

Mark my words: Yamato WILL die. I also have a suspicion he and kakashi are very close somehow...probably from being in ANBU. Kakashi is the only one to ever call Yamato by his real name that I can remember. That says something. It wouldn't be thrown into the story arbitrarily.

Also, yes Naruto jumping into the vat of frog oil was meant to be significant. It is a "sink or swim" moment for him, that's for sure! I have a feeling he'll come out with "the glow" like Leeroy.

[jodi]

Oro never said that.


in fact, Oro did.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/120/14/

[Black Thought]

You guys are missing the point. Gai can't die. He believes in the BLOSSOMING OF SPRINGTIME YOUTH. :D Or however it goes, like bean said it would be pointless, don't get rid of Gai, he's a winner in my book.

[Mythsoul]

well ..the one on my forecast to die...will be Tsunade...it was kinda hinted...when J man left for the rain country....when they were speaking....once Pein invades Konoha...and she confronts him....she'll go all out...and die....and Kakashi will be substitute hokage.....or perhaps danzou will do something on that matter.....we'll see what kishi throws at us....

On a side Note......DAMN IT'S TAKING PEIN A LONG ASSSSSS TIME TO GET TO KONOHA.lol

[darkband]

Mark my words: Yamato WILL die. I also have a suspicion he and kakashi are very close somehow...probably from being in ANBU. Kakashi is the only one to ever call Yamato by his real name that I can remember. That says something. It wouldn't be thrown into the story arbitrarily.

Also, yes Naruto jumping into the vat of frog oil was meant to be significant. It is a "sink or swim" moment for him, that's for sure! I have a feeling he'll come out with "the glow" like Leeroy.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure frogs can swim, lol. Anyway, jokes aside I'm sure you're right, just like when Jiraiya threw him down that cliff. It was summon a big frog or die. Now its balance natural energy or become a frog. When Jiraiya was teaching him the summon technique, Naruto used a whole month accomplishing little. It was only in a sink or swim situation that he managed to progress.

[Boagrious]

We've seen how this filler episodes have shown emphasis and focus in the persona of Asuma. Asuma is already dead in the manga... My point is:

They've also shown some focus on the mystery that Danzou is, really we know nothing about this guy yet, he is the lead of root but, his abilities, fighting style etc, we don't know. If someone needs to die right now is Danzou and the elders, I don't see Tsunade dying anytime soon, not yet. Maybe she will be close to death and Danzou saves her life by sacrificing his own. Recognizing her as Hokage.

Another thing would be that Danzou is somehow related to Madara, it is still to obscure to be revealed, so I think that possibility is dull for the moment. But we've seen how Madara was related to the hidden mist, and he is the Mizukage. For Danzou to be everywhere is not possible, so it would be really shocking if Danzou is related to Madara.

[Boagrious]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure frogs can swim, lol. Anyway, jokes aside I'm sure you're right, just like when Jiraiya threw him down that cliff. It was summon a big frog or die. Now its balance natural energy or become a frog. When Jiraiya was teaching him the summon technique, Naruto used a whole month accomplishing little. It was only in a sink or swim situation that he managed to progress.

Considering that Naruto only has a week to fully control Senjutsu, I see this as a possible outcome. Naruto has always done things in a weird and unusual way. It's his Ninja way, so he'll achieve, not changing who he is.

Hah! I can rhyme like the Hachibbi, stinging like a bee...

[bean]

I just hope naruto doesn't come up with some rehashed bullshit KB assisted hermit mode...where he has a KB running around behind him at all times pumping chakra into his original body...that would be lame. Unless it's a set it and forget it deal (where the KB does it, naruto has senjutsu balanced out, and then the KB is free to go), that would be a bit tolerable, but still lame.

[neomaster121]

I just hope naruto doesn't come up with some rehashed bullshit KB assisted hermit mode...where he has a KB running around behind him at all times pumping chakra into his original body...that would be lame. Unless it's a set it and forget it deal (where the KB does it, naruto has senjutsu balanced out, and then the KB is free to go), that would be a bit tolerable, but still lame.

lol i could imagine that happing in some way or another
but hopefully he does master thus training probally so in turn by doing it differently hes doing it right, j-man made mistakes so hopefuly naruto does opposite

[enraI]

this last pic looks.. like something was comin out the sky
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/

[bean]

haven't even clicked on it, but I'm gonna guess that's the pic with juugo's silhouette...


edit: wrong, it was juugos hand, the back side...he's propelling sasuke with that.

see this pic:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/

sasuke sits on his palm and then the back hand boosters propel him into the sky.

[Black Thought]

this last pic looks.. like something was comin out the sky
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/016/

I think it might be from Juugo throwing Sasuke or something. Well atleast that's what I think, cause I don't think they did anything to alter the weather patterns or anything. Aside for the thunderous explosions generated by their big time battle. >_>;

[Hello_Moto]

1 question for the people that think 8 tails is a octopus since when does electricity go with octopus and how is this octopus going to fight on land hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yah thats smooth i dont see any water around and if it deals with water+electricity= fried octopus yumm

[Muhbaer]

sasuke is simply standing on juugos c2s hand and gets tossed.

there is no sasuke-flying no jutsu at all.
a simple toss, like in x-men 3 oder lord of the ring 2(but don't tell the elf) :p

i don't want naruto to become strong by shortcuts. i want him to get strength by hard traing, as the toad said. shortcuts like the 1000 KB and the near to death kjuubi chakra are lame imho. if naruto is about to get strong, then he won't by walking shortcuts, he'll do due hard work. i'm sure about that.

[Hello_Moto]

i dont think sasuke is afraid of going blind itachi was nearly blind and still melted faces pwning people

[hanswc]

i think naruto will do the impossible to protect his teacher. i have a strange felling.
no one in the manga make it to protect his teacher, this would be the impossible, that only naturo can do!!!!

if naruto learn ot handle nature energy, it would be nice if he can handle better kuuby chakra too.

[bean]

1 question for the people that think 8 tails is a octopus since when does electricity go with octopus and how is this octopus going to fight on land hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yah thats smooth i dont see any water around and if it deals with water+electricity= fried octopus yumm
Since when has an element been associated with any animal (granted there are some freaks of nature like electric eels)? And that could just be the rapper's affinity, not the bijuu's. Since when has wind been associated with a red fox? oh wait, naruto has a wind affinity... don't call people idiots. And from what kishi has given us, the hachibi looked like an octopus type animal.

[avantasian]

Since when has an element been associated with any animal (granted there are some freaks of nature like electric eels)? And that could just be the rapper's affinity, not the bijuu's. Since when has wind been associated with a red fox? oh wait, naruto has a wind affinity... don't call people idiots. And from what kishi has given us, the hachibi looked like an octopus type animal.

Btw we really dont know whether there is water or not near by! And even if there isnt we've seen how much water the second and Kisame can generate out of nowhere! I dont think the 8tail Bijuu will have any problem doing the same considering it has considerably more chakra than an elite ninja!
Plus Water and Electricity make a very nice combo!

[g1534]

Yeah, to further bean's point... wasn't it said that the fox had a fire affinity? Naruto does not seem to have that either...

OH! and there IS water nearby... right inside where the 8 tails was training... he was standing in water, it was quite obvious.

[avantasian]

Yeah, to further bean's point... wasn't it said that the fox had a fire affinity? Naruto does not seem to have that either...

OH! and there IS water nearby... right inside where the 8 tails was training... he was standing in water, it was quite obvious.

Mmmm althought that was pretty shallow, it should be sufficient!

[Franckie]

Let's play nice here. I've already taken the liberty to edit several posts because of them being potential flamebait, but posts will be deleted if the trend doesn't stop right now. It's MH policy that flamebaiting and blatant disrespect has no place here. Please adhere to the rules.

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just going by the scanlations that are available to me. I didn't get into the manga until after the timeskip. I didn't even know you could find a raw or a rescanlation for a chapter that is that old.

A variety of places for older raws do exist. One example would www.rawmanga.com, though the site has been "under development" for a quite a while now.


Actually madara never perfected hirashin.....his technique is completely different...for all we know it might be like a space time jutsu that kakashi uses in MS but madara uses it far more advancely...

There would be no point in comparing Madara's space-time jutsu to Yondaime's space-time jutsu and demonstrating Madara's jutsu to be superior to what Yondaime could do if Madara's unknown tech isn't a jutsu similar to Hiraishin. It could very well be a MS-related tech, but it's still a space-time jutsu.


and kage bushin is nothing like hirashin....it is easy to counter...it is splits a users chakra evenly...making the bushins less and les powerful....kage bushin was designed to be an infiltration jutsu for relaying info...not for combat....

KB and Hiraishin are amonst the most verstile jutsu in the entire series. Naruto, Jiraiya, Yondaime, and Shodai are all famous practicioners of a certain jutsu. For Naruto, it's KB; for Jiraiya, it's Kuchiyose; for Yondaime, it's Hiraishin; and, for Shodai, it's Mokuton.

KB's original purpose laid within spying, infiltration, etc., but like any other doppelganger jutsu, it'd be a valuable asset in combat.


Also the part about, what oro said.....when u take it in the context of what he was saying it makes no sense.....if the meaning was to deal with....it would make no sense, does that mean he has counters to all of konoha jutsu....also he would be called the professor rather the deal wither..lol...and also it does make sense to know all the jutsu and not being able to use it.....

He was called the 'Professor' because he knew how to counter every jutsu in Konoha. It's the only interpretation that does make sense because it's physically impossible for Sandaime to utilize every jutsu in Konoha.


in fact, Oro did.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/120/14/

Yes, just like how Itachi stated that Madara was praised as the strongest shinobi in the entire world (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/10/). Wait, according to 4ghost's 386 compilation (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24867), what Itachi stated is something slightly different:


そして　忍最強と謳われていた　森の千手一族と手を組み新たな組織を設立したのだ
Itachi: In the end he joined hands with the Senju clan of the forest, that was reputed to be the strongest shinobi clan, and they established a new institution. (note: Senju = "1000 hands"; ndt)


そして　忍最強と謳われていた　森の千手一族と手を組み新たな組織を設立したのだ

And then, together with the forest shinobi, reputedly the strongest shinobi of all, the Senju Clan, he established a new order.

To a certain degree, what Oro stated is a mistranslation, similar to how several scans state Sakumo's reputation and power to be on par with the Sannin when in fact Sakumo's reputation and power actually outclassed what the Sannin held at the time of Sakumo's death.

[Spike Vamp King]

I'm sorry but who is Sakumo???

[Franckie]

I'm sorry but who is Sakumo???

Hatake Sakumo, aka "Konoha's White Fang", is Kakashi's father. He abandoned a critical mission in order to save his comrades. But Konoha scorned Sakumo for his actions; even the people he saved scorned him. Sakumo suffered great depression and committed suicide. Also, before he died, the power and prestige of the Sannin were petty before that man.

[g1534]

Really? he was that bad-ass? Can we get a chapter reference?

[tiberiuscg]

Really? he was that bad-ass? Can we get a chapter reference?
kakashi's gaiden AND sasori's grandma said something about him when first met kakashi

pain will kill hiruka, this nin never showed some 1337 skills
hiruka is useless in battles and he getting killed will SURE help naruto to understand "you have to train to protect the ones you love"

[PitchBlack857]

Really? he was that bad-ass? Can we get a chapter reference?

Here you go, soak in that greatness.

http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000240/17.jpg
http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000240/18.jpg
http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000240/19.jpg

[petocities]

Maybe because not always the sharingan will be his salvation, I mean, Sharingan is powerful, but sometimes the enemy is too strong to be defeated just by sharingan, and let's not forget that Sasuke was caught off surprise here, then is only natural to activate\deactivate sharingan all the time. so, now, seeing the type of opponent he's fighting against, he could switch to close combat, like he's doing;

And try to think about the fight until now, Hachibi isn't giving any chance to Hawk to defend themselves, and trying some sharingan jutsu now could be a bit risky, that's why he's relying on taijutsu and ninjutsu;

really old post quote, but why would be risky?? isn't it like uber powerful and really unbreakable genjutsu? you can even cast it with 1 finger or so...

edit: omg who doesn't know hatake sakumo??? XD

[Huey Freeman]

really old post quote, but why would be risky?? isn't it like uber powerful and really unbreakable genjutsu? you can even cast it with 1 finger or so...

edit: omg who doesn't know hatake sakumo??? XD

I don't know that the genjutsu Itachi cast with his finger is the same genjutsu he'd cast with his eyes. There are obviously several ways to cast genjutsu besides looking into an opponents eyes with sharingan. Also, just because Naruto couldn't break it, that doesn't mean a genjutsu type ninja can't break it like Kurenai or perhaps even Sakura.

[Triggerx]

well heres my theory.

Personally I think Naruto will totally screw up his training.
Thats just my personal belief.
But doing so wont have such a bad outcome.

Heres how I think it will go.

Pa frog is constantly hitting the clones, however he is getting tired and misses one.
Now Naruto is almost completely a frog at this point.
I just get the feeling, that Naruto will just end up taking an enormous amount of natural energy in.

Now this is the part where the kyuubi steps in.
I have a feeling that the kyuubi will have no choice but to step in, and since Naruto is possibly losing his concious because he is turning into a frog the kyuubi will be more in control.
However this will cause the natural energy to be balanced out by the kyuubi's chakra, allowing Naruto to keep in control.

Cause this is almost like a life or death situation, which means the kyuubi will have more power to come out.

[garaa89]

is there going to be a chapter this week or not.

[Deviant]

Doubt it.

[redhairSH]

well heres my theory.

Personally I think Naruto will totally screw up his training.
Thats just my personal belief.
But doing so wont have such a bad outcome.

Heres how I think it will go.

Pa frog is constantly hitting the clones, however he is getting tired and misses one.
Now Naruto is almost completely a frog at this point.
I just get the feeling, that Naruto will just end up taking an enormous amount of natural energy in.

Now this is the part where the kyuubi steps in.
I have a feeling that the kyuubi will have no choice but to step in, and since Naruto is possibly losing his concious because he is turning into a frog the kyuubi will be more in control.
However this will cause the natural energy to be balanced out by the kyuubi's chakra, allowing Naruto to keep in control.

Cause this is almost like a life or death situation, which means the kyuubi will have more power to come out.

that might happen, since im pretty sure that the fox would rather be sealed in a ninja then in a toad, and if the fox does start pumping in chakra, does that mean that naruto wont be using any of his own chakra? and if his sage mode is natural and fox energy, then the natural energy would keep him from bein takin over by the fox, nd the fox would keep him from goin all toad like

[bean]

well heres my theory.

Personally I think Naruto will totally screw up his training.
Thats just my personal belief.
But doing so wont have such a bad outcome.

Heres how I think it will go.

Pa frog is constantly hitting the clones, however he is getting tired and misses one.
Now Naruto is almost completely a frog at this point.
I just get the feeling, that Naruto will just end up taking an enormous amount of natural energy in.

Now this is the part where the kyuubi steps in.
I have a feeling that the kyuubi will have no choice but to step in, and since Naruto is possibly losing his concious because he is turning into a frog the kyuubi will be more in control.
However this will cause the natural energy to be balanced out by the kyuubi's chakra, allowing Naruto to keep in control.

Cause this is almost like a life or death situation, which means the kyuubi will have more power to come out.
I can kinda see that happening, but it most likely won't any time soon. Naruto isn't training on using senjutsu right now...he's not even training on drawing in nature energy...he's just learning how to sense it and balance it out within him. I could see what you're saying happening later on when he can finally draw it in himself without oil, but not before that.

[hotchillyandspicy]

that might happen, since im pretty sure that the fox would rather be sealed in a ninja then in a toad, and if the fox does start pumping in chakra, does that mean that naruto wont be using any of his own chakra? and if his sage mode is natural and fox energy, then the natural energy would keep him from bein takin over by the fox, nd the fox would keep him from goin all toad like

HAHAHA, ive been seriously red all about this topic but this one makes me laugh...:spaz if im the fox yes i will probably choose to sealed in ninja way, not in the toad man! hahaha omg what a terrific instinct! how could you think about that huh? and who the hell want to be sealed in a toad way? r u? hahaha! but, is there will be no naruto manga this week? :(

[samsiufan]

Hatake Sakumo, aka "Konoha's White Fang", is Kakashi's father. He abandoned a critical mission in order to save his comrades. But Konoha scorned Sakumo for his actions; even the people he saved scorned him. Sakumo suffered great depression and committed suicide. Also, before he died, the power and prestige of the Sannin were petty before that man.

Essentially correct but it never stated he commanded more respect and had more power than the legendary Sannin....In the Gaiden, Yondy just said he commanded respect on the same level as the legendary Sannin.

[Uru]

that's the thing, whether madara is right or not is not in question.


Ops.. My point was exactly this..
We cant tell, now, if madara is playng "my" role or "your" role but.. Let me show you this two paths..

Your role:
If he is telling thruth then Madara exaclty knows what sasuke is capable of.
And Sasuke have really the chance to win his battle.

My role:
If he is telling lies then Madara exaclty knows what sasuke is capable of.
And Sasuke will be forced to withdraw own because Madara knew that the single MS would not have been enough in order to strike hachibi.
In this way Sasuke will try more power (Eternal MS ) and will take the brother eyes (THAT'S is, in my "ROLE", the REAL MADARA PLAN).



We're discussing his blind faith that sasuke will win.


Madara for its plans could also "play" the whole akatsuki..




If you read what I was responding to, madara doesn't need to know what the hachibi is capable of and say, "well, sasuke might have a hard time" He knows something about sasuke that we don't (most likely what his MS can and will do) and that's why he was so confident


But this doesn't hit minimally MY role too... Or not?
If Madara knew that against hachibi his powers (of Sasuke) wouldn't have been enough..
Beh.. Nothing erase this role at the moment..

We have just all to see... :amuse


In my taste..

Madara is playng all for his plans (the whole akatsuki too). and he is not sincere with Sasuke.He is maneuvering him..
Perhaps he is thinking to something of new...
EMS+EMS---> NEW ONE MS LEVEL ???
But that's just a crazy prediction..

[nat]

I just saw, no chapter :scry , the horror.....


It is amazing to see Kakashi get so much power for his limitations, he had stated that he has limited stamina and Chakra yet he is a candidate for Hokage....That's good, since Konoha is in for dark times ===Madara's fault, always..

Sadly, I don't think he will be enough...Neither Tsunade for that matter... With Pein on the way, Konoha will lose many Shinobi, at least we might see ANBU in action...or ROOT for that matter...

[shahali333]

Makes no sense, he DID get damage from lightning, didnt he?


Also I couldnt quite figure out what happens in this scene.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/004/

All of a sudden, Suigetsu's sword's width seems half of what it was used be. is it bad drawing? because in other scenes it seems in its normal width. Or am I the one seeing it wrong.

Ur seeing it from the angle at which you would only see the back or front, not the width necessarily but the backside of the blade.