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Predator
July 13, 2006, 08:42 AM
:blink ............................. :s .............. :blink *those were my reactions reading this chapter*

OK, so Kishimoto's a good guy. All those theories about Tsukoyomi and similarities with DragonBall were sliced down to the root.

Naruto acts a bit more stupid than usual (some of you already noticed that), but he's doing good. On top of it all, we learn some more details about clones. To be more precise, we learn that the user learns the information of the clone after it's released.



Wow, now we finally get why Kage Bunshin was labelled a forbidden jutsu...it's sick!
I quoted this because, it so very true, isn't it.

But enough about the chapter. Better get the Naruto 315 Goodies (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=5967.0) and find it all out yourself.

What we'll do here is try to predict the next chapter.

Will the new jutst be Wind element jutsu? What kind of it? How will Naruto succeed? Will any new character show up? Are Akatsuki gone for now? ...... Can anyone ever predict something in thios unpredictable story?

......... it's your turn to speak up. :amuse

citronvert
July 13, 2006, 08:47 AM
I predict that the shaolin monk will train with Lee

angry
July 13, 2006, 08:54 AM
bah... too many things got revealed... there is little to predict now, except for what kind of jutsu Naruto will develop... but thats too hard >.<


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH i have to wait a whole week again for the next... the horror!

Raine_Joybringer
July 13, 2006, 08:57 AM
Raine predicts that maybe since Kakashi says that Naruto is a wind element, perhaps we'll see some of Gaara or Temari? >.>

chocohexe
July 13, 2006, 09:04 AM
Is gaara really a wind jutsu user?? Because he always use a lot of sand, so it can be that he is more a earth jutsu user.
Wind Jutsu that is cool. Naruto was always a close to close combat typ, but with a wind Jutsu he can attack at a long distance, like Temari.

angry
July 13, 2006, 09:09 AM
hmm... i guess i was wrong, their might be some cool stuff to think about considering the teaser for next week.

I have to get back to work >< i'll lay out my predctions some time tonight or tomorow or something.

siegfried
July 13, 2006, 09:10 AM
"penance" I bet it is for asuma.there will be a confrontation with akutsuki.sth bad will happen to asuma.

Cbot
July 13, 2006, 09:10 AM
Chapter 315 made me realize why Naruto is my no1 favorite manga.I predict that Naruro will master is new Wind technique.

~Yami~
July 13, 2006, 09:18 AM
None of us predicted that the training would have anything to do with Kage Bunshin! Kishimoto-sama did a great job surprising us. ^^ Thank god he didn't make the MS theory come true. I got sick of people complaining about the series being a copy of DBZ.

And it's been a long time since the chapter actually seemed -long-...

And also, I'm happy to see a chapter with only training and no Akatsuki for once.


Raine predicts that maybe since Kakashi says that Naruto is a wind element, perhaps we'll see some of Gaara or Temari? >.>


He's just going to make a wind jutsu, that doesn't mean the suna team will show up... Though I'd love to see Gaara again. I miss him... &#160;TToTT
And, like chocohexe said, I don't think Gaara is a wind jutsu user (Temari is, though). And Naruto's element isn't fire even though he lives in the fire country.

Um... Prediction. I predict... I don't really know... Though, when it comes to how the jutsu is going to be, I think the whirlpool thing theory seems likely. Maybe it'll be whirlwinds or a tornado or something like that... Because that's like the air version of a whirlpool... hmm... But I really have no idea... ^^' I hope it's only, or at least mostly training in the next chapter, and not some stuff about Asuma or the Akatsuki... Or Sai, or anyone else... I want to see Naruto's skills developing! ^^

I can't wait.. O.o

Elmdorz
July 13, 2006, 09:20 AM
This is good I was so afraid his element was going to be lightning.

Raine_Joybringer
July 13, 2006, 09:28 AM
He's just going to make a wind jutsu, that doesn't mean the suna team will show up... Though I'd love to see Gaara again. I miss him... TToTT
And, like chocohexe said, I don't think Gaara is a wind jutsu user (Temari is, though). And Naruto's element isn't fire even though he lives in the fire country.


^_^; I'm just hoping to see more Gaara... and he is the Kazekage after all. He'd have to have some knowledge at least (and access to some good scrolls!!).

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 09:36 AM
None of us predicted that the training would have anything to do with Kage Bunshin! Kishimoto-sama did a great job surprising us. ^^ Thank god he didn't make the MS theory come true. I got sick of people complaining about the series being a copy of DBZ.

And it's been a long time since the chapter actually seemed -long-...

And also, I'm happy to see a chapter with only training and no Akatsuki for once.
He's just going to make a wind jutsu, that doesn't mean the suna team will show up... Though I'd love to see Gaara again. I miss him... TToTT
And, like chocohexe said, I don't think Gaara is a wind jutsu user (Temari is, though). And Naruto's element isn't fire even though he lives in the fire country.

Um... Prediction. I predict... I don't really know... Though, when it comes to how the jutsu is going to be, I think the whirlpool thing theory seems likely. Maybe it'll be a tornado or something like that... hmm... But I really have no idea... ^^' I hope it's only, or at least mostly training in the next chapter, and not some stuff about Asuma or the Akatsuki... Or Sai, or anyone else... I want to see Naruto's skills developing! ^^

I can't wait.. O.o


Whatever it's going to be... I can safely say that it will not in any way be a replica of any of Temari's jutsu. So whirlwinds, and things of the like are probably not going to come from Naruto.
You guys, i think it's gonna be pretty simple:

Wind + Rasengan = Naruto's new move
If it were any other element this would not be possible, so i think this will the the jutsu. And this way, since it's an improvement upon the Rasengan, it's bound to be stronger than it.[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 05:34:43 AM_________________________________________________

^_^; I'm just hoping to see more Gaara... and he is the Kazekage after all. He'd have to have some knowledge at least (and access to some good scrolls!!).


Well, what has it been... Maybe a month or so since the Shukaku was extracted?
In any rate, i would guess that he is still training to master some of his former powers, but yeah... It would be good to get a little peek of him. Just to see what he's up to...

Otomo kage
July 13, 2006, 09:40 AM
From my prediction:

WOW GUYS YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES> I THINK KISHI HAS LEFT US A BIG CLUE!

I believe naruto is naturally 100 times stronger in chakra capacity then Kakashi. Because my naruto's own chakra help feed the seal to keep the Kyuubi inside.

Reason:
1) This is why Yamato came to the training, because he controls to the kyubii to zero.

2)Also another reason is.... when Yamato was a temporary team leader during the mission to find sasuke... "HE confronted Naruto saying that he is about the same strength or stronger than the kyubii inside of him (chakra point of view)."

<remember this, Kishimoto left us a clue here from the previous chapter)

I remember when this chapter comes out, many people from other forums were quite in doubt that naruto is stronger than the kyubii! THANKS TO THIS CHAPTER ITS ALL REVEALED!

..............

It all makes sense till now!! Even though Kyuubi is strong and inside of him it still bring a negative effect to naruto, because most or majority Naruto's own chakra keeps the naruto seal in intact.

Now we will see next chapter if my prediction is right!!

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 09:44 AM
From my prediction:

I believe naruto is naturally 100 times stronger in chakra capacity then Kakashi. Because my naruto's own chakra help feed the seal to keep the Kyuubi inside.

Reason why Yamato came, because he controls to the kyubii to zero.

Also another reason is Yamato during mission confronted Naruto saying that he is about the same str or stronger than the kyubii inside of him. <remember this, Kishimoto left us a clue here from the previous chapter

It all makes sense till now!! Even though Kyuubi is strong and inside of him it bring a negative effect to naruto, because most of the source that keeps naruto seal in intact is his own chakra.

Now we will see next chapter if my prediction is right!


Is this really even a prediction?
Kakashi said half of your "prediction" already...

But good insight on what merely hinted at in this chapter!

siegfried
July 13, 2006, 09:48 AM
From my prediction:

I believe naruto is naturally 100 times stronger in chakra capacity then Kakashi. Because my naruto's own chakra help feed the seal to keep the Kyuubi inside.

Reason why Yamato came, because he controls to the kyubii to zero.

Also another reason is Yamato during mission confronted Naruto saying that he is about the same str or stronger than the kyubii inside of him. <remember this, Kishimoto left us a clue here from the previous chapter

It all makes sense till now!! Even though Kyuubi is strong and inside of him it bring a negative effect to naruto, because most of the source that keeps naruto seal in intact is his own chakra.

Now we will see next chapter if my prediction is right!


no.Naruto will use kyuubi's power.that is why they called Yamato.he will keep naruto from losing control to kyuubi.that is all.they dont want to confront KN4 again.

UzumakiRoman
July 13, 2006, 09:57 AM
my prediction is that Naruto will have an affinity for all elements, or at least wind and fire to match up against Sasuke!!

Sin
July 13, 2006, 10:04 AM
no.Naruto will use kyuubi's power.that is why they called Yamato.he will keep naruto from losing control to kyuubi.that is all.they dont want to confront KN4 again.


Thats not quite right. The way they explained it in the chapter Yamato is there to suppress the Kyuubi Chakra. Meaning that Naruto's chakra will no longer have to be used to suppress Kyuubi freeing it up. Since the majority of this Chakra is used to suppress Kyuubi, he now has tons more free to use to for a long term shadow replication.

angry
July 13, 2006, 10:09 AM
The only thing Yamato is surpressing, is Naruto transforming into the Kyuubi, that doesn't mean he can't tap into his Kyuubi chakra. The problem with Naruto is, when he gets a little excited and taps into his Kyuubi chakra, he tends to transform, prob. because the Kyuubi's chakra is leaking from everywhere... so if he taps into it ALOT, then he automatically transforms. Yamato is there, to stop Naruto from transforming, so that every bit of that Kyuubi chakra is used for the creation of clones, instead of it going to waste on transformation.

Make sense?

UzumakiRoman
July 13, 2006, 10:13 AM
Thats not quite right. The way they explained it in the chapter Yamato is there to suppress the Kyuubi Chakra. Meaning that Naruto's chakra will no longer have to be used to suppress Kyuubi freeing it up. Since the majority of this Chakra is used to suppress Kyuubi, he now has tons more free to use to for a long term shadow replication.


so then can i predict that if Akatsuki were to ever get Kyuubi out of Naruto and someone traded their life for Naruto that means Naruto would become the Uber-nin like the 4th because he no longer has to suprees Kyuubi with his own chakra?

and as a side note is this what is happening to Gaara now, and he'll probably be stronger now that he can get some sleep and not have to worry about Shukaku possessing him!!

Jatalu
July 13, 2006, 10:15 AM
I think in 316 we'll see Naruto flub about for a while, and maybe get some flashes of the Asuma fight.

I am really interested in what wind chakra entails, personally. Perhaps he can fly?? xD

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 10:19 AM
The only thing Yamato is surpressing, is Naruto transforming into the Kyuubi, that doesn't mean he can't tap into his Kyuubi chakra. The problem with Naruto is, when he gets a little excited and taps into his Kyuubi chakra, he tends to transform, prob. because the Kyuubi's chakra is leaking from everywhere... so if he taps into it ALOT, then he automatically transforms. Yamato is there, to stop Naruto from transforming, so that every bit of that Kyuubi chakra is used for the creation of clones, instead of it going to waste on transformation.

Make sense?


No, what everyone else is saying makes sense...
A large proportion of Narutos chakra is acting as a buffer between Naruto's usable chakra and the Kyuubi chakra. I guess this is going on at the same level of the seal, and through diffusion, Kyuubi's chakra has been getting slowly added to Naruto's throughout the years.

Yamato will be not only stopping Kyuubi from showing up, but surpessing his Chakra entirely, allowing the other half of Naruto's chakra to be free for use. In short, Yamato is probably using his chakra to replace Naruto's in that buffer-zone.

Thinking about it more... Half of Naruto's latent chakra + Yondaime's seal, is enough to withstand the Kyuubi. It's pretty amazing what Yondaime did there, he basically created an infant chakra machine... lol

Sin
July 13, 2006, 10:19 AM
The only thing Yamato is surpressing, is Naruto transforming into the Kyuubi, that doesn't mean he can't tap into his Kyuubi chakra.

I honestly don't think thats whats happening. I thikn Yamato is COMPLETELY suppressing the Kyuubi chakra, like he said he could have Naruto recoved from going 4 tails. That was the reason Naruto didn't heal as fast after that battle with Oro.



so then can i predict that if Akatsuki were to ever get Kyuubi out of Naruto and someone traded their life for Naruto that means Naruto would become the Uber-nin like the 4th because he no longer has to suprees Kyuubi with his own chakra?


With recent events, I think thats exactly whats going to happen. I think Akatsuki has to get all of the Youma, because I think thats what Naruto is going to be fighting at the end of the series. We've seen that someone can still be brought back after having it extracted, ala Gaara. Who gives their life for Naruto though? My bet would be Tsunade, not only does that free up the Hokage spot, but she's the expert Medical Sannin. If there's anyone else that knows a Sacrificial Jutsu like grandma from the Sand (name escapes me for the moment) its going to be Tsunade.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 10:22 AM
so then can i predict that if Akatsuki were to ever get Kyuubi out of Naruto and someone traded their life for Naruto that means Naruto would become the Uber-nin like the 4th because he no longer has to suprees Kyuubi with his own chakra?

and as a side note is this what is happening to Gaara now, and he'll probably be stronger now that he can get some sleep and not have to worry about Shukaku possessing him!!


No, I would think that the "Buffer Zone" chakra would be torn out along with Kyuubi... Depending on how much Chakra Naruto used before he got the Kyuubi torn out, he might be able to survive an extraction (with immediate medical attention) thanks to Yondaime's ingenious seal.

donkeyhigh
July 13, 2006, 10:35 AM
Kakashi:
Let's start with a jutsu I've been trying to complete since my early days as a Shinobi.
As you are a natural Wind-element user, this should come easier too you. I'll teach you the 3 basic elements of this jutsu, but you'll have to put them together and finish the jutsu yourself, that is the only way to learn it, something I've yet to do.

Naruto:
How do you know the fundamentals of the jutsu if you can't perform it?

Kakashi:
I've been watching my sensei closely with this eye ever since I've obtained it, I know the technique, but sadly enough, my body won't allow me to master it.

Naruto:
Well, then, what makes you believe I can master the technique?

Kakashi:
You mastered a "6-Difficulty-Grades above A-rank difficulty"-jutsu in just a week, the Rasengan!
That jutsu was made by my sensei, The 4th. As is the technique you are about to master. You are allot like the 4th, in many ways you remind me of him. You are both hardworking, and know your goal in life. You are both straight forward, and you physically resemble him. You are both Wind-users, which will make your training suverly easier to accomplish, and you have already mastered one of his techniques.
*thinking: There has to be something connecting the 4th and Naruto, I've felt it ever since "that" day. It's as if the 4ths techniques were transfered into Naruto allongside the Kyubii.. / thinks back to the Naruto VS Sasuke fight on the roof.. /*


Naruto:
*gulp* Wh..what is this technique? It has to be fast if I'm to even have a chance against Sasuke.. He's too fast for the eye..

Kakashi:
Hehe, _that_ won't be a problem any more, now the question is, will he be able to see you any more?

Naruto:
YOSH! Let's start! *TAJIU KAGE BUNSHIN NO JUTSU!*

Kakashi:
Heh, as always, you're in a hurry..
Here goes, The Body Flicker Technique!

Yamato:
*smiles*


That's my prediction.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 10:37 AM
Kakashi:
Let's start with a jutsu I've been trying to complete since my early days as a Shinobi.
As you are a natural Wind-element user, this should come easier too you. I'll teach you the 3 basic elements of this jutsu, but you'll have to put them together and finish the jutsu yourself, that is the only way to learn it, something I've yet to do.

Naruto:
How do you know the fundamentals of the jutsu if you can't perform it?

Kakashi:
I've been watching my sensei closely with this eye ever since I've obtained it, I know the technique, but sadly enough, my body won't allow me to master it.

Naruto:
Well, then, what makes you believe I can master the technique?

Kakashi:
You mastered a "6-Difficulty-Grades above A-rank difficulty"-jutsu in just a week, the Rasengan!
That jutsu was made by my sensei, The 4th. As is the technique you are about to master, the Body Flicker Technique. You are allot like the 4th, in many ways you remind me of him. You are both hardworking, and know your goal in life. You are both straight forward, and you physically resemble him. You are both Wind-users, which will make your training suverly easier to accomplish, and you have already mastered one of his techniques.
*thinking: There has to be something connecting the 4th and Naruto, I've felt it ever since "that" day. It's as if the 4ths techniques were transfered into Naruto allongside the Kyubii.. / thinks back to the Naruto VS Sasuke fight on the roof.. /*


Naruto:
*gulp* Wh..what is this technique? It has to be fast if I'm to even have a chance against Sasuke.. He's too fast for the eye..

Kakashi:
Hehe, _that_ won't be a problem any more, now the question is, will he be able to see you any more?

Naruto:
YOSH! Let's start! *TAJIU KAGE BUNSHIN NO JUTSU!*

Kakashi:
Heh, as always, you're in a hurry..
Here goes, The Body Flicker Technique!

Yamato:
*smiles*


That's my prediction.


No.

donkeyhigh
July 13, 2006, 10:38 AM
Uhm, I think you read wrong, look at the bottom, it says "That's my prediction", meaning, yes, that is my prediction.

~Yami~
July 13, 2006, 10:42 AM
He was going to make his own jutsu. Not learn Hiraishin.Why do people keep missing that point? You'll have to accept that he isn't going to learn Hiraishin, maybe later, but not now.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 10:43 AM
Uhm, I think you read wrong, look at the bottom, it says "That's my prediction", meaning, yes, that is my prediction.


Yeah, it sure is a prediction...
But you do realize that people like Gaara, Kabuto, Kakashi, Sasuke, Orochimaru... every ANBU member...
Have already been using "Body Flicker (Shunshin)" since the beginning of the Manga?

You mean Hiraishin, and since that is a Summoning jutsu, i don't really see how that falls into line with an element at all. I mean, if you care to exlplain it, i'll listen :)[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 06:43:25 AM_________________________________________________

He was going to make his own jutsu. Not learn Hiraishin. People keep missing that point. You'll have to accept that he isn't going to learn Hiraishin, maybe later, but not now.


Exactly!

FatalFlaw
July 13, 2006, 10:44 AM
My guess is, alongside this new jutsu he's developing, he'll also be familiarizing himself with the wind element. My guess is he'll set a few clones to learn basic wind jutsus. He'll probably learn to blow wind out of his mouth, something like that.

Otomo kage
July 13, 2006, 10:45 AM
The only thing Yamato is surpressing, is Naruto transforming into the Kyuubi, that doesn't mean he can't tap into his Kyuubi chakra. The problem with Naruto is, when he gets a little excited and taps into his Kyuubi chakra, he tends to transform, prob. because the Kyuubi's chakra is leaking from everywhere... so if he taps into it ALOT, then he automatically transforms. Yamato is there, to stop Naruto from transforming, so that every bit of that Kyuubi chakra is used for the creation of clones, instead of it going to waste on transformation.

Make sense?


angry, you guys need to open your eyes. This chapter is already given if you actually pay attention to this chapter and the other chapters.

I understand that many people thought this way including myself, but when i open my eyes and actually thought about it. Yamato is going to surpress kyubii.

I'm definitely sure this is going to happen.

donkeyhigh
July 13, 2006, 10:48 AM
He was going to make his own jutsu. Not learn Hiraishin. People keep missing that point. You'll have to accept that he isn't going to learn Hiraishin, maybe later, but not now.


Oh, that's right, my bad..



Yeah, it sure is a prediction...
But you do realize that people like Gaara, Kabuto, Kakashi, Sasuke, Orochimaru... every ANBU member...
Have already been using "Body Flicker (Shunshin)" since the beginning of the Manga?

You mean Hiraishin, and since that is a Summoning jutsu, i don't really see how that falls into line with an element at all. I mean, if you care to exlplain it, i'll listen :)[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 06:43:25 AM_________________________________________________
Exactly!


Uhm, I guess I thought wrong somewhere, or more likely, I thought what I wanted to think.. :p
nevermind my previous post, it's as Yami said, he's not supossed to copy any techniques.. Hehe, I forgot.. :)

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 10:51 AM
My guess is, alongside this new jutsu he's developing, he'll also be familiarizing himself with the wind element. My guess is he'll set a few clones to learn basic wind jutsus. He'll probably learn to blow wind out of his mouth, something like that.


Ha ha, Naruto is always blowin wind out of his mouth...
It's generally just plain too tough to try and get Naruto to shut up... lol

But yeah, most likely Naruto won't be learning 1000 different tasks at the same time, but he will be devided into regiments, and those groups will take on a certain task. They will be able to help eachother out, and it most of all, it will make things 100x easier on Kishi...lol

I really wanna see some wind jutsu, it's pretty tough to think of things beside of what Temari has done, but i'm really looking forward to it. (back in the day i thought up a wind jutsu that propels the user in one direction.) That jutsu would help in those areas where you can gain a quick advantage, or make up for being caught up the air, where there is less mobility. But who knows really... come on Kishi!![br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 06:49:59 AM_________________________________________________

Oh, that's right, my bad..

Uhm, I guess I thought wrong somewhere, or more likely, I thought what I wanted to think.. :p
nevermind my previous post, it's as Yami said, he's not supossed to copy any techniques.. Hehe, I forgot.. :)


It's all good man... I just knew something was a bit off there, but it happens to everyone sometime. Theres just too many jutsus to keep then all straight...lol

maxhrk
July 13, 2006, 10:51 AM
Do you think Yonidaime's element type is wind too? or lightning? hmm hmm.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 10:52 AM
Do you think Yonidaime's element type is wind too? or lightning? hmm hmm.


Definetly Wind.. no doubt about it...
The thing is, If Naruto was a reincarnation of the 4th, or even his son... Don't you think Kakashi would have made this guess himself?

donkeyhigh
July 13, 2006, 10:58 AM
Wind.. I like to think Naruto and Yonidaime is somewhat connected.. :)

Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki
July 13, 2006, 11:00 AM
Now that he'll learn a wind-type jutsu, though...

I wonder what type it will be. If it will be just a really strong gust of wind or something else. Something i'd like to see would be if he could accelerate himself with wind to launch himself at his opponents.

Otomo kage
July 13, 2006, 11:01 AM
Ah man i hate those prediction of naruto the incarnation of the 4th hokage. But hokage's son maybe.

O well. I really liked this chapter a lot.

So naruto is going to develop a wind jutsu... or.. Upgrade his rasengan and change its nature. Would like to see both happen. :smile-big

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 11:03 AM
Now that he'll learn a wind-type jutsu, though...

I wonder what type it will be. If it will be just a really strong gust of wind or something else. Something i'd like to see would be if he could accelerate himself with wind to launch himself at his opponents.


Pshh, i just said that....
But honestly i just think he will be upgrading the Rasengan.
Those types of utility jutsus will be for Naruto to learn on his own, later in the manga..

For right now, Naruto is learning a Personal Jutsu just like Kakashi's Chidori, or Yondaime's Rasengan...

Witness the birth of Naruto's .............. <b>KAZENGAN!!!</b>

destinator
July 13, 2006, 11:04 AM
Definetly Wind.. no doubt about it...
The thing is, If Naruto was a reincarnation of the 4th, or even his son... Don't you think Kakashi would have made this guess himself?


Uhm about this whole the son of the 4th thing...wouldnt they have already told him about that? I mean knowing who his father was would be just postive for him. Because knowing that his father was a hokage would only strengthen his ambtions and let him know that its actually possible to achieve his dream...also I mean naruto isnt the most intelligent ninja out there but shouldnt he already have noticed all the similiarities and asked someone about it ?

mad_s
July 13, 2006, 11:05 AM
Rasengan + wind = Hadouken? :P

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 11:06 AM
Uhm about this whole the son of the 4th thing...wouldnt they have already told him about that? I mean knowing who his father was would be just postive for him. Because knowing that his father was a hokage would only strengthen his ambtions and let him know that its actually possible to achieve his dream...also I mean naruto isnt the most intelligent ninja out there but shouldnt he already have noticed all the similiarities and asked someone about it ?


Well nobody knows what kind of reactions will that have on Naruto.

Probably nobody knows he is.

And because that would change Naruto's status from being the underdog to be a light of hope for the village. And that would probably happen at the end of the series.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 11:07 AM
Uhm about this whole the son of the 4th thing...wouldnt they have already told him about that? I mean knowing who his father was would be just postive for him. Because knowing that his father was a hokage would only strengthen his ambtions and let him know that its actually possible to achieve his dream...also I mean naruto isnt the most intelligent ninja out there but shouldnt he already have noticed all the similiarities and asked someone about it ?


Yeah, i was saying that to quell those rumors...
By now, someone should have told Naruto... *shrug*

donkeyhigh
July 13, 2006, 11:08 AM
Rasengan + wind = Hadouken? :P


Hehehehe.. pure ownage..


Anyway, I'm kinda just hoping, well, the first stage kinda has to be "learning to do the Rasengan with one hand alone".. ?
Then learning to transform and change the form of the jutsu.. which is impossible, as Rasengan has to be in a perfect round shape, or it won't work..

But yay, new jutsu :D

angry
July 13, 2006, 11:14 AM
angry, you guys need to open your eyes. This chapter is already given if you actually pay attention to this chapter and the other chapters.

I understand that many people thought this way including myself, but when i open my eyes and actually thought about it. Yamato is going to surpress kyubii.

I'm definitely sure this is going to happen.


My eyes are open ^^, but i disagree.. i'll wait for some other translators to give their input... maybe it will clear some more stuff up... but untill then my opinion stands.

~Yami~
July 13, 2006, 11:26 AM
About the Naruto being yondaime's son-thing...
Maybe the reason he is so similar to yondaime is that when yondaime sealed the kyuubi inside Naruto, he kinda got a part of yondaime too... or something.. I'm not good at explaining.. xD

But I wonder how he found a newborn baby to use. No one would want the kyuubi sealed inside their child.
That makes the yondaime-being-Naruto's-father theory more likely.

"Why doesn't Naruto know it, then?" you say.

Maybe yondaime had a relationship with someone without anyone else knowing?

But this is getting off topic... ^^'

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 11:40 AM
i'm posting this before i forget it

Anyone see a problem with the maths here?

Naruto can do maybe 200 shadow clones easily

Kakashi can do maybe 10 maximum

Yet Naruto's chakra capacity is only twice that of kakashi's? eh? wtf?

Sin
July 13, 2006, 11:43 AM
Naruto can do maybe 200 shadow clones easily

Kakashi can do maybe 10 maximum

Yet Naruto's chakra capacity is only twice that of kakashi's? eh? wtf?


I think Kakashi did well more than 10 shadow clones during the Wave Country arc didn't he? Or were those just regular bushins? Also, we've never seen him use most of his chakra to just create shadow clones so we don't really know how many he can do.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 11:47 AM
i'm posting this before i forget it

Anyone see a problem with the maths here?

Naruto can do maybe 200 shadow clones easily

Kakashi can do maybe 10 maximum

Yet Naruto's chakra capacity is only twice that of kakashi's? eh? wtf?


Well, not really... Since you really dont know how many Kakashi CAN do. So guessing the number 10 and then making an assumption really doesnt cut it.

There could also be a difference in the way the technique is preformed by Naruto, with the seal and everything... there might be something else Kishi reveals later...

donkeyhigh
July 13, 2006, 11:47 AM
The 4th has a relationship with the female leader of Rock Country, which, of course, was against all rules. So he hid it..
Then she died during birth, making him a sole father, then he fixed kyubii and stuff..
Btw, just wondering, heh, I mean, it has to be said..
"How fast do you think the 4th was in bed?" ..
Gah, it sounds better in norwegian.. in english it should be "how long did he last?" which isn't any fun.. oh well.. nevermind me, forget about the 4th..
but seriously, this chapter rocked :D

lentharius
July 13, 2006, 11:48 AM
But honestly i just think he will be upgrading the Rasengan.

I really doubt that. For one upgrading someone else's move is hardly creating your own. Another thing is that I always have thought of the rasengan as a wind style jutsu. Plus I think that he is going to be using his clones to do more than just wind training. I think he may have a few clones here and there dedicated to learning some other stuff.


I think Kakashi did well more than 10 shadow clones during the Wave Country arc didn't he? Or were those just regular bushins? Also, we've never seen him use most of his chakra to just create shadow clones so we don't really know how many he can do.

Kakashi can create as many as Naruto he just cannot sustain them in a manner that would help him train. Naruto has so much pure chakra that he can create them and hold them for what appears to be as long as he wants.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 11:49 AM
I think Kakashi did well more than 10 shadow clones during the Wave Country arc didn't he? Or were those just regular bushins? Also, we've never seen him use most of his chakra to just create shadow clones so we don't really know how many he can do.


Yeah, perfect example right there.
Kakashi says: "I can even do this much" and then easily makes about 15-20 kage bunshins, and that was after his chakra was depleted from the fight With Zabuza, and using the Chidori...

odeon
July 13, 2006, 11:52 AM
yeah think that kakashi can do much better than 10 clone that was proven in the wave country arc and for naruto he can exed the 1000 clone that is a sure fact....for those who think that yamato will suppresss kyubi chakra allowing naruto to tap in some sort of reserve that he use to keep the kyubi in jail... well, don't agree whit that and i read again all the chapter related in kyubi-naruto relation I don't see you're "defintly sure proof of that" I really think yamato will just permit naruto to better control the chakra that he's tapping in kyubi...(if u think of how many time naruto was out of chakra and call kyubi chakra to help him... and think when he first summon gamabunta, jyraya told him that he regular chakra doesn't allow him to summon gamabunta, insteed he need to force kyubi chakra in his body to obtain the required level of power... so the theorie of naruto being as strong as kyubi in term of chakra doesn't make sense...)

lentharius
July 13, 2006, 11:56 AM
well, don't agreee whit that and i read again all the chapter related in kyubi-naruto relation I don't see you're "defintly sure proof of that"

Um how about the chapter where Yamato says Naruto's true strength wasn't using the Kyuubi but his own chakra. And how about the last chapter where Kakashi says that if Yamato can keep the Kyuubi suppressed, aka preventing it from coming out...which is what suppressed MEANS, then he will increase his chakra from twice as much as Kakashi's to 100 times more. I honestly don't see how people are not putting this together. It is stated verbatim in the chapter that this is exactly what is happening.

mutl8
July 13, 2006, 12:04 PM
I think his new move is going to be a vacuum rasengan. I think Naruto's biggest problem when fighting Sasuke (or any other opponent who is quicker or better at predicting movements) is getting the rasengan to connect. With a vacuum rasengan he could make it harder for his opponent to move or even suck them into the rasengan.

I can also see Naruto using his new found wind affinity to blow skirts up and what not. I also predict that whatever form his new move is going to take it is going to be very versatile, he will be able to change its form or combine it with another jutsu to fit his own unique and always unpredictable purpose. I believe that Naruto's true strength comes from his unpredictable nature and quick thinking during a fight.

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 12:05 PM
Well, not really... Since you really dont know how many Kakashi CAN do. So guessing the number 10 and then making an assumption really doesnt cut it.

There could also be a difference in the way the technique is preformed by Naruto, with the seal and everything... there might be something else Kishi reveals later...


oh *blushes* silly me. i must have misread. i thought i read sumwhere in there that he can only do 7 or so. lol. wherd i get an idea like that? in anycase its fair maths because he says its at LEAST twice as much.



Yeah, perfect example right there.
Kakashi says: "I can even do this much" and then easily makes about 15-20 kage bunshins, and that was after his chakra was depleted from the fight With Zabuza, and using the Chidori...


i'm pretty sure those were regular bunshins. the impression i got was that the people ran when they saw those bunshins thinkin they could hurt them, but they were just illusions.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 12:08 PM
oh *blushes* silly me. i must have misread. i thought i read sumwhere in there that he can only do 7 or so. lol. wherd i get an idea like that? in anycase its fair maths because he says its at LEAST twice as much.

i'm pretty sure those were regular bunshins. the impression i got was that the people ran when they saw those bunshins thinkin they could hurt them, but they were just illusions.


It's possible... But Kakashi's wording there is what makes me believe that he was using the same jutsu Naruto was, in this case... Kage Bunshin

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 12:12 PM
It's possible... But Kakashi's wording there is what makes me believe that he was using the same jutsu Naruto was, in this case... Kage Bunshin


Kakashi said in 315 he can do the jutsu but not maintain it as naruto.

And besides he had plenty of chakra to do the Kage bunshins on the bridge, his fight with zabuza wasn't as intense as the one in the forest!

Sin
July 13, 2006, 12:13 PM
if u think of how many time naruto was out of chakra and call kyubi chakra to help him... and think when he first summon gamabunta, jyraya told him that he regular chakra doesn't allow him to summon gamabunta, insteed he need to force kyubi chakra in his body to obtain the required level of power... so the theorie of naruto being as strong as kyubi in term of chakra doesn't make sense...


Ok he dosent say that at all for one. When Jiraya was teaching him to control the Kyuubi chakra, first he has Naruto COMPLETELY empty his chakra stores by walking on water until he was out. THEN he was to try and summon something. Since he was out of chakra he'd have have to rely on Kyuubi's chakra to summon anything more then the tadpole he was getting. Second he HAS summoned Gamabunta with his own chakra. That was after he realized that fighting for someone was what makes people strong while he was fighting Garaa in the woods. Third, The amount of times he's really used the Kyuubi charka, are pretty limited. Wave Country Arc, Neji Fight, End of Garaa Fight, First Summoning of Gamabunta, Sasuke Fight, Injuring Jiraya, Dedara Fight, Oro Fight. Thats not that many considering how much he's gone through. Fourth and finally, Yamoto says his chakra is stronger then Kyuubis (granted only a portion of that chakra is being released at any given time) otherwise he wouldn't be able to suppress it like he does.

chaoshawke
July 13, 2006, 12:13 PM
well anyway kakashi said naruto's power can become 100 times more powerful O.o therefore he can fight for a crazy long time ^^

sorry if this has been mentioned b4 lol, havnt read the entire topic

anyway knowing this we could probably predict naruto may learn more than one jutsu maybe, which will be cool ^^

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 12:15 PM
Second he HAS summoned Gamabunta with his on chakra.


That has never happened!

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 12:20 PM
Kakashi said in 315 he can do the jutsu but not maintain it as naruto.

And besides he had plenty of chakra to do the Kage bunshins on the bridge, his fight with zabuza wasn't as intense as the one in the forest!


True, but you have to remember that the CHidori takes up 1/3 of all his chakra. And then each Kage Bunshin takes up a half of Kakashi's ramaining chakra. For Kakashi to make that many KBs at that stage, is still impressive!

Sin
July 13, 2006, 12:21 PM
That has never happened!


You may be right about that, but I don't have the manga in front of me to confirm. I was/am pretty sure he didn't use Kyuubi's power until the very end of that fight, when he summoned more chakra when he was out.

odeon
July 13, 2006, 12:21 PM
Um how about the chapter where Yamato says Naruto's true strength wasn't using the Kyuubi but his own chakra. And how about the last chapter where Kakashi says that if Yamato can keep the Kyuubi suppressed, aka preventing it from coming out...which is what suppressed MEANS, then he will increase his chakra from twice as much as Kakashi's to 100 times more. I honestly don't see how people are not putting this together. It is stated verbatim in the chapter that this is exactly what is happening.



hum... he says that normally no one can whistand the amount and density of chakra that kyubi was putting inside he's body.... then he said to naruto that the reason he's able to stand kyubi chakra is beacause of the srenght of his chakra... but that doesn't proove that naruto has more chakra than kyubi ... and like i said remenber the summoning of gamabunta?...

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 12:23 PM
You may be right about that, but I don't have the manga in front of me to confirm. I was/am pretty sure he didn't use Kyuubi's power until the very end of that fight, when he summoned more chakra when he was out.


http://groups.msn.com/narutomangareturns/vol18ch154161.msnw

If you want to browse the manga really quick!



True, but you have to remember that the CHidori takes up 1/3 of all his chakra. And then each Kage Bunshin takes up a half of Kakashi's ramaining chakra. For Kakashi to make that many KBs at that stage, is still impressive!


If that was true Kakashi could only perform Chidori only 3 times before being depleted. When he was training Sasuke in the use of the chidori sasuke was limited to two, Kakashi said he could do 6 or 9, don't really remember.

In fact, kakashi really burns chakra when using the sharingan for too long.

Predator
July 13, 2006, 12:26 PM
That has never happened!


It has. During the fight with Gaara after the Chuunin exam the most fight was done with his own chakra. Two thousand clones + Clones for that explosive tag attack + Summoning Gamabunta + Combo Henge with Gamabunta. Only the last attack was with help of Kyuubi.

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But more importantly ......... :offtopic ..... Return to next chapter predictions.

lentharius
July 13, 2006, 12:28 PM
then he said to naruto that the reason he's able to stand kyubi chakra is beacause of the srenght of his chakra... but that doesn't proove that naruto has more chakra than kyubi

Where in my post did I ever even make that arguement? I never claimed he had more chakra I was proving that Naruto is going to be using his own chakra not the Kyuubi's chakra. Plus, as everyone has mentioned, he had to rely on the Kyuubi's chakra before because he does not have access to the chakra that is being used to suppress the Kyuubi. I am making no claim that he has more chakra than the Kyuubi because the seal the 4th used is also suppressing some of the Kyuubi. By Yamato completely suppressing the Kyuubi, Naruto now has full access to his chakra.

Otomo kage
July 13, 2006, 12:31 PM
hum... he says that normally no one can whistand the amount and density of chakra that kyubi was putting inside he's body.... then he said to naruto that the reason he's able to stand kyubi chakra is beacause of the srenght of his chakra... but that doesn't proove that naruto has more chakra than kyubi ... and like i said remenber the summoning of gamabunta?...


lol odeon, kyubii has unlimited str and chakra. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD READ THE CHAPTER AGAIN! It is said clearly if you actually pay attention that kakashi pointed out that naruto is 100 times stronger than kakashi without the interference of his seal.


SECONDly.. by having a rasengan wind justsu.. its makes a new jutsu.. to some of you who said.

Its like a potion, when you add one little ingredient to one potion > it makes a new potion. simple as that. lol

Sin
July 13, 2006, 12:35 PM
It has. During the fight with Gaara after the Chuunin exam the most fight was done with his own chakra. Two thousand clones + Clones for that explosive tag attack + Summoning Gamabunta + Combo Henge with Gamabunta. Only the last attack was with help of Kyuubi.

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But more importantly ......... :offtopic ..... Return to next chapter predictions.


Ok last off topic I promise. I was wrong, so are you Predator. I looked at the page, just as he's getting covered in sand his eyes change to the kyuubi eyes, you can see it here.

http://groups.msn.com/narutomangareturns/134.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3166

but I do think that if he didn't just do that huge Kage Bushin attack before he could have managed Gamabunta with his chakra alone.

Ok back on topic!

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 12:36 PM
It has. During the fight with Gaara after the Chuunin exam the most fight was done with his own chakra. Two thousand clones + Clones for that explosive tag attack + Summoning Gamabunta + Combo Henge with Gamabunta. Only the last attack was with help of Kyuubi.

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But more importantly ......... :offtopic ..... Return to next chapter predictions.


:offtopic I'm sorry but until proven otherwise (said in the manga that naruto is molding enourmous amounts of chakra that is not from the kiuby) I still think that when Naruto gets angry and focused his using the kiuby chakra at will. Eventhough he doesn't talk to kiuby.

Ex: (I've said this before) When Itachi and Kisame where about to grab naruto and Sasuke arrived there, he started to mold chakra and kisame identified it as monstrous chakra. Naruto was molding kiuby chakra!


Ok so yes lets gets back on topic:

The other reason why Yamato is needed there is because its hard enough to teach one naruto imagine a 1000!!!

Damn!!!

Thank god i'm not kakashi nor Yamato!!

HimuraX
July 13, 2006, 12:49 PM
First of all. Damn good chapter. Kishi, proves that hes not remaking DBZ.

I can only imagine the possibilities of Naruto's training. The possibility of a Vaccuum move (remove all air) will definitely slow down uber-fast attackers and/or improve his speed in close combat fighting. I can definitely see a rasengan-wind move coming along, but the concepts learned might allow him to develop new moves while fighting.

The idea that he can improve his speed by using wind to give him momentum, or change directions instantly is a possiblility. Furthermore, a possible barrier of wind around his body, or wind armor, might make it difficult to attack him (think Garaa's sand, cept invisible). If he can control the wind well enough, he can even attack his enemy without them getting close or even trap them in an air vaccuum. Someone mentioned a projectile rasengan or possibly something new (SONIC BOOM!!!).

lentharius
July 13, 2006, 12:52 PM
SECONDly.. by having a rasengan wind justsu.. its makes a new jutsu.. to some of you who said.

Its like a potion, when you add one little ingredient to one potion > it makes a new potion. simple as that. lol

Ok, first off I might be fighting the idea of a wind rasengan because I honestly think it's stupid. How is altering the rasengan into wind going to suddenly make naruto stronger than kakashi. Also that's just kind of boring, all that effort just to modify a move that he already has. I have a feeling that Naruto is going to develop a jutsu that requires him to increase a lot of other abilities. An example is how when Kakashi taught the chidori to Sasuke, he didn't have to just teach him to do it, he also had to increase his speed for it to be effective.

Megaritis
July 13, 2006, 12:56 PM
Hello everyone! This is my first post.
I've been reading the chapter predictions topics for a while now, and I have been enjoying reading them a lot. My turn now :p

315 is a very interesting chapter indeed, I guess Kishimoto will continue to surprise us until the end. About chapter 316, I do think that the jutsu will be a rasengan-alike wind style jutsu. Combining spiral movement of wind chakra will probably allow naruto to have a twister effect on his new techniques, probably providing him speed. That could help him a lot since he fights in close combat.



I really doubt that. For one upgrading someone else's move is hardly creating your own. Another thing is that I always have thought of the rasengan as a wind style jutsu. Plus I think that he is going to be using his clones to do more than just wind training. I think he may have a few clones here and there dedicated to learning some other stuff.
Making chakra move the same way as it does with rasengan does not necessarily mean that the jutsu will be an upgrade of rasengan. If it was like that all jutsus that look alike could be considered as one being an upgrade of the other. The wind element with spiral motion could imho provide an excellent combination of speed and damage.



And how about the last chapter where Kakashi says that if Yamato can keep the Kyuubi suppressed, aka preventing it from coming out...which is what suppressed MEANS, then he will increase his chakra from twice as much as Kakashi's to 100 times more. I honestly don't see how people are not putting this together. It is stated verbatim in the chapter that this is exactly what is happening.

Precicely. Without Yamato, when Naruto heavily relies on Kyuubi's chakra then it "leaks" making Naruto not to be able to control himself. Suppressing the kyuubi chakra simply means that Naruto can control the chakra, not the opposite. :eyeroll

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 12:57 PM
Ok, first off I might be fighting the idea of a wind rasengan because I honestly think it's stupid. How is altering the rasengan into wind going to suddenly make naruto stronger than kakashi. Also that's just kind of boring, all that effort just to modify a move that he already has. I have a feeling that Naruto is going to develop a jutsu that requires him to increase a lot of other abilities. An example is how when Kakashi taught the chidori to Sasuke, he didn't have to just teach him to do it, he also had to increase his speed for it to be effective.


What will make Naruto stonger than Kakashi... Is the TRAINING Naruto has to go through in order to make the jutsu work. Having 1000 KBs working towards the same goal pretty much makes it so that Naruto can make himself better in every aspect simultaneously. Something Kakashi cannot to. Add to this, Naruto insane chakra capacity, and you uderstand why Kakashi says that...

Shioku
July 13, 2006, 12:58 PM
i thought that Oodama Rasengan was sorta the same thing as a Projectile Rasengan? He used it against Kabuto to....so yea. Also, he isn't using the Kyuubi's chakra anymore, thats already been stated. Im sure that over the years of having a unlimited powered beast inside of you....you sorta grow a bit of chakra ^_^ Also, I hope to GOD that it isn't ANOTHER variation of the Rasengan. Of course if he makes it up while he is using the Rasengan to fight, thats different. But if this entire training is to use the Rasengan with wind; I personally will kill Kishi, but im pretty confident that it isn't anything to do with that. He's probably gonna learn the basics of wind; plus that one powerful Ninjutsu. Then build on top of it from there.

bloodrage
July 13, 2006, 12:59 PM
kakshi invented a way that shd make naruto hokage in less than wut two years that gave naruto and edge over all other ppl in this manga cause he can train really fast at anytime he wants and shud be able to kick anyones ass at anytime imagine if they had told him that before he went off with jiryiah :o

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 01:01 PM
Hello everyone! This is my first post.
aking chakra move the same way as it does with rasengan does not necessarily mean that the jutsu will be an upgrade of rasengan. If it was like that all jutsus that look alike could be considered as one being an upgrade of the other.


Very good point there... I mean, look at all the variations on Bunshin. Imagination is all it takes to take a jutsu to the next level, and i hope this is what is done with Yondaimes jutsu...

cerventus
July 13, 2006, 01:03 PM
When Kakashi said" you on the other hand is a Zero." I was really hoping Naruto have no inclination like Specialization in HxH (god I miss HXH). This test kind of reminds me of HXH's leaf on a cup of water test.

One thing i dont get it...If yamato keeps his chakra in check it would be 100 times? I also wonder wat element Sakura is. She seemed like a Fire user to me.

I think in the next chapther we see Jiraiya pop in to help Naruto improves on what he learnt in the 2.5 years.

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 01:06 PM
First of all. Damn good chapter. Kishi, proves that hes not remaking DBZ.

I can only imagine the possibilities of Naruto's training. The possibility of a Vaccuum move (remove all air) will definitely slow down uber-fast attackers and/or improve his speed in close combat fighting. I can definitely see a rasengan-wind move coming along, but the concepts learned might allow him to develop new moves while fighting.

The idea that he can improve his speed by using wind to give him momentum, or change directions instantly is a possiblility. Furthermore, a possible barrier of wind around his body, or wind armor, might make it difficult to attack him (think Garaa's sand, cept invisible). If he can control the wind well enough, he can even attack his enemy without them getting close or even trap them in an air vaccuum. Someone mentioned a projectile rasengan or possibly something new (SONIC BOOM!!!).


WTF? i'm sorry but it just seems that u think that just because naruto is a wind element type that he can control the wind or something!! Sasuke is fire element type but you dont see him making fireballs and using fire to boost his speed or giving people fire punches or whatever. Sure he does his katon jutsu (and can obviously do non fire jutsu too) so i think u see where i'm coming from. Its not like xmen where they have total control over the element or whatever. (off the top of my head the only element controling person i've seen so far is haku)

lentharius
July 13, 2006, 01:10 PM
Is the TRAINING Naruto has to go through in order to make the jutsu work. Having 1000 KBs working towards the same goal pretty much makes it so that Naruto can make himself better in every aspect simultaneously. Something Kakashi cannot to. Add to this, Naruto insane chakra capacity, and you uderstand why Kakashi says that...

I never argued that point at all. I never questioned that he is going to be stronger than Kakashi I just think that a wind rasengan is stupid and was trying to come up with points as to why. In fact you basically took what my last two sentences implied and made that your entire post...


I have a feeling that Naruto is going to develop a jutsu that requires him to increase a lot of other abilities. An example is how when Kakashi taught the chidori to Sasuke, he didn't have to just teach him to do it, he also had to increase his speed for it to be effective.

You basically said exactly what I said, my point being that I don't see how a wind rasengan will do that. Now if he just invokes the name of rasengan to make it seem cool that's fine, I just don't want another stab style attack. Like with Sasuke's chidori shield thingy, the only real similarities it has to chidori is that it is lightning. If something like that is what Naruto does that's fine with me.[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 01:08:07 PM_________________________________________________
WTF? i'm sorry but it just seems that u think that just because naruto is a wind element type that he can control the wind or something!! Sasuke is fire element type but you dont see him making fireballs and using fire to boost his speed or giving people fire punches or whatever.

Umm yes we have seen him do fireballs... He does attacks like that ALL the time. Secondly how would anyone ever use fire to increase their speed? That makes absolutely no sense. And if you can control wind, then you can use that wind to move your body faster by having it gusting directly behind you. I'm not saying he is going to do it, but it is completely possible. Temari can control wind to the point that she can fly on her fan.

SPAMU
July 13, 2006, 01:12 PM
There has to be a specific reason why Naruto got the wind card... at least, strategically speaking from Kishimoto's perspective. I guess it really didn't matter what he was, though, since Kakashi's a genius ninja and would be able to engineer a jutsu to counter Sasuke's whatever (knowing that he has the chidori and katon techniques)....

But when Naruto develops his wind techniques, I wonder what combinations he'll use with Gamabunta... really windy oil spitting? or maybe like the shukaku's air bullet and gama's water bullet?

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Tsunade would die to open up the spot for Naruto. I mean, I guess she could die, but she doesn't have to. The Third just retired because he was getting too old; it's easy to forget that Tsunade's all crinkly old and just hiding it. She's too awesome to kill off!! (although Sakura's basically going to be her replacement)... I also hope Sakura trains more/becomes more kickass... Just when I thought they had made her awesome with all the growth she demonstrated in fighting Sasori, she jumps right back into rushing-into-certain-danger-Sakura where Yamato has to guard her >_<... guh, kishi makes kunoichi suck. And we still haven't seen that supposed female akatsuki member that's supposed to own.

I also wonder what Asuma's been holding back all this time and if he has the ability to summon monkeys since he's part of the Sarutobi family.

So much is going on all at once... there's also Shikamaru's absence and Tsunade dealing with akatsuki and akatsuki coming to Konoha.... wah! basically: can't wait until next week.

Darrenj
July 13, 2006, 01:13 PM
WTF? i'm sorry but it just seems that u think that just because naruto is a wind element type that he can control the wind or something!! Sasuke is fire element type but you dont see him making fireballs and using fire to boost his speed or giving people fire punches or whatever. Sure he does his katon jutsu (and can obviously do non fire jutsu too) so i think u see where i'm coming from. Its not like xmen where they have total control over the element or whatever. (off the top of my head the only element controling person i've seen so far is haku)

Sasuke didnt train in the element, so your point wasnt very valid, He trained by doing fireballs as a child, its clearly the main move of his clan THATS why he always does them
Kasame would be water element, what does he do... water attacks
ofcourse naruto wouldnt get 100% cover over air, but a jutsu that mixes his poison red chakra with the air doesnt seem far fetched (but thats not going to be it oviously)

ibra87
July 13, 2006, 01:15 PM
Sasuke is lightning, Naruto is wind. Usually in games and stories, storms and lightning comes together creating lightning storms. I smell something fishy here :S

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 01:17 PM
Sasuke is lightning?
Have we all forgotten that Sasuke learned all the fire jutsus, besides Gokakyuu on his own?

Sasuke is FIRE baby, all day long...

Predator
July 13, 2006, 01:19 PM
People ...... :darn

Most of these talks belong in 315 Discussion Thread. For now this thread's for predictions.

Could you please be so nice and help us help you? Just a bit of order. :tem

rocker2
July 13, 2006, 01:20 PM
:offtopic I'm sorry but until proven otherwise (said in the manga that naruto is molding enourmous amounts of chakra that is not from the kiuby) I still think that when Naruto gets angry and focused his using the kiuby chakra at will. Eventhough he doesn't talk to kiuby.

Ex: (I've said this before) When Itachi and Kisame where about to grab naruto and Sasuke arrived there, he started to mold chakra and kisame identified it as monstrous chakra. Naruto was molding kiuby chakra!


Ok so yes lets gets back on topic:

The other reason why Yamato is needed there is because its hard enough to teach one naruto imagine a 1000!!!

Damn!!!

Thank god i'm not kakashi nor Yamato!!

First of all, Naruto himself had the ability and chakra to create 1000 clones without the Kyuubi's help. He was out of chakra after that 1000 clone attack so he needed the Kyuubi's. Not to mention he was both chasing after Sasuke before and had fought in the chuunin exam with Neji. Naruto back then could only handle 1 tail of Kyuubi. Now he can handle 3 and summon up to 4. There is likely a correlation here so Naruto now can probably create up to 4000 clones now. However, once he uses up his chakra supply, the danger of the Kyuubi trying to take hold is there - like when Naruto was trying to capture Sasuke. That's why Yamato is there. To supress the Kyuubi in case it tries to take advantage of the situation. And with 4000 clones, Naruto will be able to do 80 years of training in the period of 1 week. Of course there is the limitation that some things need to be learned incrementally, so parallism here can only help so much. However, if we take into account the period that Naruto needed to achieve the various incremental skill levels for Rasengan - approx. 1.5 weeks each and a month for the full jutsu, 12 x 80 = 960 A rank jutsus in the period of 1 month. Rasengan is one of the most difficult A-rank jutsus to learn so the number of jutsus he could potentially learn is 1000+. Now, the fact that Naruto doesn't need that many jutsus allows him to exploit this to training method to increase many of those possible jutsus to difficulty surpassing normal A rank such that he can create his ultimate jutsu to be surpassing the S/A-rank barrier. All in a one month training window.

As for training Naruto, Kakashi has only taught Sasuke personally so far that we've seen so he's likely more of the mindset of teaching using verbal instruction and step-by-step demonstration. Naruto's style and the training method Jiraiya used is to simply demonstrate once and let Naruto adapt himself or the jutsu skill to achieve the skill's purpose. Naruto is a more hands-off type with need for experiencing what he needs to learn. In this sense, teaching 1000-4000 clones will be much easier than teaching a genious ninja like Sasuke since Kakashi will only need to show the skill once and let Naruto come up with his answer. Both Naruto and Sasuke learn at the same rate without shortcuts through Kage Buushin or drugs, etc. which was demonstrated by the fact that both ninja needed 1 month to learn A-rank jutsu. How hard teaching will be for Kakashi will depend on his style. Jiraiya had a very easy time since he's been teaching Naruto types his entire life and making genious ninjas out of them.



Sasuke is lightning, Naruto is wind. Usually in games and stories, storms and lightning comes together creating lightning storms. I smell something fishy here :S

Sasuke is mainly fire as he is an Uchiha. However that doesn't mean he can't use lightning techniques effectively. It just means that his fire techniques are likely to have the largest impact. The only reason why Sasuke has stuck to lightning is due to the fact he isn't the creative type. If nobody teaches him more fire jutsu, then he won't learn them. Right now he's just learning jutsu from Oro. Whatever Oro teaches him, he'll use. This is what makes Sasuke very different than Naruto as Naruto makes his jutsu his own. If it already exists, Naruto will throw in his own style into it - like rasengan with kage buushin.

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 01:21 PM
Sasuke is lightning?
Have we all forgotten that Sasuke learned all the fire jutsus, besides Gokakyuu on his own?

Sasuke is FIRE baby, all day long...


sasuke has but remember he had made a new chidori attack with his new sword of his plus he picked up chidori easy.

i predict that narutos wind will also be another element since kyubbi is there maybe earth

ibra87
July 13, 2006, 01:23 PM
I'm pretty sure next chapter would only be half-training. Kishi wouldn't want this training thing to end fast, and probably something about Hidan and Kaku will be shown as well.

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 01:23 PM
Umm yes we have seen him do fireballs... He does attacks like that ALL the time. Secondly how would anyone ever use fire to increase their speed? That makes absolutely no sense. And if you can control wind, then you can use that wind to move your body faster by having it gusting directly behind you. I'm not saying he is going to do it, but it is completely possible. Temari can control wind to the point that she can fly on her fan.


1. sorry when i said fireballs i meant dbz style fireball i.e literally in the hand aka rasengan style

2. i'm sorry about this too but i thought rockets use fires/explosions for speed propulsion. ;) (imagine boots with fire thrusters)

3. The way you're makin it sound is like the person has 100% control over the wind and thus can basically tell it when and where to blow to make him move. I mean if he keeps that up sooner or later he'll learn to fly DBZ style!

ibra87
July 13, 2006, 01:26 PM
1. sorry when i said fireballs i meant dbz style fireball i.e literally in the hand aka rasengan style

2. i'm sorry about this too but i thought rockets use fires/explosions for speed propulsion. ;) (imagine boots with fire thrusters)

3. The way you're makin it sound is like the person has 100% control over the wind and thus can basically tell it when and where to blow to make him move. I mean if he keeps that up sooner or later he'll learn to fly DBZ style!

Predator will get mad @ me for discussing in the predictions thread :p but oh well, this is my last discus in this thread:

I don't think it will go as far as flying. People will start whining about it being DBZ-like. I think it will be something like Rasengan-blast where naruto uses the wind to blast a rasengan off at an incredible speed. But that's too... obvious and boring, so I don't happen it becomes something as cheap as rasengan. After seeing the fillers I'm starting to hate this technique.

Elmdorz
July 13, 2006, 01:27 PM
Ya but Sasuke is also juicing. And when you juice, anything goes! lol.

I predict Akatsuki members next chapter.

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 01:30 PM
does anyone think that the 4th was a wind based ninja think about it rasengan is like a mini cyclone remember

Elmdorz
July 13, 2006, 01:33 PM
^^ I agree. I think so as well.

midnight789
July 13, 2006, 01:37 PM
ok, for one i dont think this new jutsu is going to be a rasengan variation. I say this because kakashi said that he's going to learn a BRAND NEW jutsu to call his own, like how rasengan is the 4ths jutsu, and chidori was kakashi's jutsu. As for the wind jutsu, I'm sure it will be sweet, but in order for him to become stronger than kakashi i seriously think that he will need to come up with more than just 1. unless its hiraishin, in which case i'd weep like a baby and curse everything, because thats not a brand new jutsu either, so it shouldnt show up. Another thing ive been thinking about, if naruto is that much stronger w/o having to supress the kyubi himself, how strong is gaara now that he doesnt have to supress shukaku? :o I bet he's a beast and a half.

Rampages
July 13, 2006, 01:37 PM
does anyone think that the 4th was a wind based ninja think about it rasengan is like a mini cyclone remember


The rasengan has nothing to do with wind.

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 01:41 PM
The rasengan has nothing to do with wind.


well it was said to be like a mini cyclone alot of times plus the chakra/rasengan has the effect of a mini cyclone

Snake1786
July 13, 2006, 01:44 PM
Chapter 315 made me realize why Naruto is my no1 favorite manga.I predict that Naruro will master is new Wind technique.

Yes I sometimes forget how great naruto is because of the fillers as for the prediction I dont know maybe his possible father (yondaime) was a wind user too and his movements were wind type so naruto might use it too. But i bet none of the predictions here will be true like that Mangekyo using kakashi everybody believes it and then it happens something like that.

Rampages
July 13, 2006, 01:47 PM
well it was said to be like a mini cyclone alot of times plus the chakra/rasengan has the effect of a mini cyclone


A cyclone of chakra. Nothing to do with wind, as I said.

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 01:56 PM
A cyclone of chakra. Nothing to do with wind, as I said.


THANK YOU! thank you thank you! finally someone who sees what i see. It doesnt have anything at all to with wind.



well it was said to be like a mini cyclone alot of times plus the chakra/rasengan has the effect of a mini cyclone


i mean yeah i see your point but cyclones happen in the water too u know. You know the funny thing is i can see other people saying how the fourth and jaraiya were water types too if naruto's little test had said he was water type and not wind. in short : its all in your mind :p

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 01:59 PM
i mean yeah i see your point but cyclones happen in the water too u know. You know the funny thing is i can see other people saying how the fourth and jaraiya were water types too if naruto's little test had said he was water type and not wind. in short : its all in your mind :p


I couldn't see Jiraiya as a water type after that katon he performed against orochimaru, in the fight between the legendary sannin.

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 02:01 PM
well i think its safe to say the 3rd was a earth type while the 2nd was a water type user

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 02:03 PM
well i think its safe to say the 3rd was a earth type while the 2nd was a water type user


So your saying that the 4th has to be wind type cuz it continues the circle of hokages not being the same type?

Gold Knight
July 13, 2006, 02:05 PM
Even if the Rasengan isn't a wind-related jutsu, it probably did hint at Naruto's capability for wind, so I'm not surprised that was his element.

I'll comment more when I do my 10 Comments for this chapter which probably will be tomorrow. For Predictions, obviously we'll see the Akatsuki, but I'm betting it won't be Hidan or Kakuzu this time.

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 02:08 PM
Even if the Rasengan isn't a wind-related jutsu, it probably did hint at Naruto's capability for wind, so I'm not surprised that was his element.

I'll comment more when I do my 10 Comments for this chapter which probably will be tomorrow. For Predictions, obviously we'll see the Akatsuki, but I'm betting it won't be Hidan or Kakuzu this time.


Do you think we will see the last one that hasn't appeared?

Gold Knight
July 13, 2006, 02:11 PM
I tend to doubt it but that would be cool.

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 02:12 PM
I tend to doubt it but that would be cool.


Then who would you think will appear? Itachi? Tobi? Zetsu?

destinator
July 13, 2006, 02:16 PM
Even if the Rasengan isn't a wind-related jutsu, it probably did hint at Naruto's capability for wind, so I'm not surprised that was his element.

I'll comment more when I do my 10 Comments for this chapter which probably will be tomorrow. For Predictions, obviously we'll see the Akatsuki, but I'm betting it won't be Hidan or Kakuzu this time.


Well another Itachi/Kisame part would be cool and since they are in charge of Naruto it make sense. Btw Kishi made a lot of this previews for the next week and they didnt took action at all...so it could be that we wont see anything Akatsuki related next week (still I hope it)

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 02:22 PM
okay i had this long post all sorted out and when i posted it my browser shut down :( i was so pissed. plus i cant even remember everythin that was in the post (and it was really brilliant too) From what i remember my thoughts were (in point form)

1. I found it weird that kakashi didnt answer naruto's question about sasuke being a lightning and fire type. So we dont even know for sure what type he is.

2. I kinda formed a theory about this is why sasuke didnt excel at being at uchiha when young but itachi did. The theory went something like Itachi's chakra was really leaned towards being a fire element type thus he found doing the katon jutsu's really easy. However sasuke's was a lightning type so he kinda struggled with it. Because they were from the same pops, they almost had equal amounts of potential uchiha-wise (thats a fair assumption) but because sasuke's not fire type then itachi's better than him.

3. there was another point but i totally forgot it lol

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 02:26 PM
Then who would you think will appear? Itachi? Tobi? Zetsu?


I'm hoping Itachi, Kisame, Tobi and Diedara are searching for Orochimaru...
They have to deal with him sooner or later.

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 02:30 PM
I'm hoping Itachi, Kisame, Tobi and Diedara are searching for Orochimaru...
They have to deal with him sooner or later.


Yes please Itachi eliminating Orochimaru and Kabuto and sasuke is left alive again with no reason. Then Sasuke comes back to the village all beat up!!

Yes that would be awesome!

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 02:32 PM
okay i had this long post all sorted out and when i posted it my browser shut down :( i was so pissed. plus i cant even remember everythin that was in the post (and it was really brilliant too) From what i remember my thoughts were (in point form)

1. I found it weird that kakashi didnt answer naruto's question about sasuke being a lightning and fire type. So we dont even know for sure what type he is.

2. I kinda formed a theory about this is why sasuke didnt excel at being at uchiha when young but itachi did. The theory went something like Itachi's chakra was really leaned towards being a fire element type thus he found doing the katon jutsu's really easy. However sasuke's was a lightning type so he kinda struggled with it. Because they were from the same pops, they almost had equal amounts of potential uchiha-wise (thats a fair assumption) but because sasuke's not fire type then itachi's better than him.

3. there was another point but i totally forgot it lol


yeah maybe your right but maybe it was because of the lightning and fire chakra mixing witched made it harder for saskue

VeNoM87
July 13, 2006, 02:33 PM
Imo i guess the 4rth was also a wind-guy... his speed was just like the wind, you can't see/follow it (not really in the mood to type it detailed etc)

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 02:36 PM
okay i had this long post all sorted out and when i posted it my browser shut down :( i was so pissed. plus i cant even remember everythin that was in the post (and it was really brilliant too) From what i remember my thoughts were (in point form)

1. I found it weird that kakashi didnt answer naruto's question about sasuke being a lightning and fire type. So we dont even know for sure what type he is.

2. I kinda formed a theory about this is why sasuke didnt excel at being at uchiha when young but itachi did. The theory went something like Itachi's chakra was really leaned towards being a fire element type thus he found doing the katon jutsu's really easy. However sasuke's was a lightning type so he kinda struggled with it. Because they were from the same pops, they almost had equal amounts of potential uchiha-wise (thats a fair assumption) but because sasuke's not fire type then itachi's better than him.

3. there was another point but i totally forgot it lol


:offtopic Kakashi didn't answer it cuz Naruto wouldn't get it (plus there was no space in manga for more explanation, Kishimoto wanted to keep it resumed).

I really think that Sasuke just copied it.

Remember Sasuke is also a tensai in such things to. And you don't really need to be lighting oriented to perform chidori, just train in it.

siegfried
July 13, 2006, 02:42 PM
here is the end of the naruto's chakra discussion.I am suprised how come you didnt read the translations.

from yoropiko


Page 11

"Kakashi: About twice as much as me.
Naruto: What?! So much?!
Wow, I'm really something!!
Kakashi: If Yamato doesn't suppress the "Kyuu-bi's" chakra,
it'll be a 100 times greater"


yoshitsune approved it too.they are sure that this is the true translation.

looshunz
July 13, 2006, 02:43 PM
Well great chapter by Kishimotto once again. The man continues to develop this manga. I think some of the frustration many feel with the Managa is that even though we are into chapter 315, kishimotto has not properly fleshed out this world and there is still so much more we don’t know about the basics of Naruto’s world.

Here are my predictions

1) Hmmm I wonder why everyone is ignoring a very important topic. Kakashi told Naruto that if he was a wind type he would cut the paper in half. But Naruto did not cut the paper in half he basically made a second copy of it. This is important as it points to the second aspect of Wind chakra manipulation: - Nature. Although I know Naruto will add aspects of wind to the rasengan I see Naruto having an affinity with Nature Justus that will make Yamato more of an important part of the training.

2) It has been said already that the Fourth made and inventive jutsu that not only channels the Kyuubi’s chakra but channels it into Naruto. So more than likely over time with the aid of the seal converting the Kyuubi chakra the fourth made a human chakra storing machine accumulating converted Kyuubi chakra into Naruto. This is important as I foresee that a future date Naruto will get the Kyuubi sucked out of him for the Akatsuki plot to develop and we will see Naruto fight and win battles with out the Kyuubi. It’s been hinted too allot by his teachers that he is strong even without the Kyuubi.

Because of that i also beleive Kakashi means Yamato will supress the Kyuubi like he did before using the seal and all of Naruto's chakra will be available for his use. I.E. his chakra level will be 100 times Kakashi. It does mean he is more powerful as this is not DBZ. Chakra is not chi. It just means that he has more power to use for various jutsu. (E.g. If Naruto is able to make 100 chidori but Kakasi makes only 3 but Kakashi is able to hit Naruto with one chidori it makes no difference how many Naruto was able to make.)

That just my 2 cents and like many other predictions I may be wrong. Kishimotto is an inventive and wily manga writer...

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 02:44 PM
here is the end of the naruto's chakra discussion.I am suprised how come you didnt read the translations.

from yoropiko


Page 11

"Kakashi: About twice as much as me.
Naruto: What?! So much?!
Wow, I'm really something!!
Kakashi: If Yamato doesn't suppress the "Kyuu-bi's" chakra,
it'll be a 100 times greater"


yoshitsune approved it too.they are sure that this is the true translation.


WOW I stand corrected!!

I can't believe what is really holding the seal together is Naruto chakra.

This makes a whole new ball game for naruto!

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 02:54 PM
well thats truely does make naruto great it reminds me of the time kakashi was teaching them how to tree walk he said there chakra were both going to be greater than his.Posted on: July 13, 2006, 02:51:02 PM_________________________________________________


1) Hmmm I wonder why everyone is ignoring a very important topic. [b]Kakashi told Naruto that if he was a wind type he would cut the paper in half. But Naruto did not cut the paper in half he basically made a second copy of it.

no he didn't it split in two

siegfried
July 13, 2006, 03:07 PM
WOW I stand corrected!!

I can't believe what is really holding the seal together is Naruto chakra.

This makes a whole new ball game for naruto!


what do you mean?actually seal holding the kyuubi chakra off.naruto cant stay in kyuubi form too long because his chakra cant endure that much poisonus chakra.


and this doesnt make naruto that great.he has only twice much chakra as kakashi.

llamapie
July 13, 2006, 03:09 PM
So Sasuke is so skilled he is two types? Naruto is the wind type..

Im interested in this for sure. Since Rasengan is a wind Jutsu already (spins the wind with his chakra wildly).. It could explain why he was able to master it in the way he did.

What Im more excited about is Kakashi confirming Yamato's theory about Naruto's stregnth.

He could become 100x stronger than Kakashi san.... W000000t!!

This is finally getting exciting..

My other part is You all know how Kakashi warned Sasuke that his stregnth would cease to grow if he rely's on the Cursed Seal. I think its the same as with the Kyubi.

siegfried
July 13, 2006, 03:13 PM
well I read hishouburaiken translation and that he translated that by: if Yamato keep the nine tails in check so I was confused ... well don't know..; may be we will see that soon...

ps: funny to see that naruto actually need 1000 of his brain to learn new jutsu^^


wait a minute.I thought we had the same idea.when yamato stop suppressing naruto,he will be able to use kyuubi chakra and thus he can have 100 times chakra as kakashi but normal naruto has only twice much as kakashi has.

hotsuma316
July 13, 2006, 03:13 PM
cough....bakuryu-ha(windscar)..cough

destinator
July 13, 2006, 03:15 PM
ps: funny to see that naruto actually need 1000 of his brain to learn new jutsu^^


Uhm? Have you ever learend something in your life? Its like learning to go by bike. Thats not a question of brain more of feeling and experience and the same counts for learning new jutsus =) :P

VeNoM87
July 13, 2006, 03:18 PM
what do you mean?actually seal holding the kyuubi chakra off.naruto cant stay in kyuubi form too long because his chakra cant endure that much poisonus chakra.


and this doesnt make naruto that great.he has only twice much chakra as kakashi.


Being sarcastic or....? O_o
Having twice as much chakra as Kakashi isn't that great, you must be out of your mind. Kakashi is considered one of the best ninja's. And then you say that having twice as much chakra as a genius isn't impressive.. hmmz.

fire breather
July 13, 2006, 03:19 PM
maybe they can make a shield of wind so short range attacks can hit him so using a rasengan like looking defense like sasuke's defense so the chidori attack won't work

siegfried
July 13, 2006, 03:23 PM
Being sarcastic or....? O_o
Having twice as much chakra as Kakashi isn't that great, you must be out of your mind. Kakashi is considered one of the best ninja's. And then you say that having twice as much chakra as a genius isn't impressive.. hmmz.


I mean some guys said naruto had 100 times as much chakra as kakashi.comparing to that it is not impressive.

Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki
July 13, 2006, 03:25 PM
So Sasuke is so skilled he is two types? Naruto is the wind type..

No. What it means is that Sasuke has simply learned skills from two branches of elemental powers.

It's probably a LOT easer to create a new technique if it's a compatible element. Orochimaru is probably a better teacher than mr i'll-give-you-a-few-hints-and-then-i'll-go-buy-some-whores so he probably taught Sasuke this while Jiraiya left Naruto ignorant.

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 03:28 PM
its saying that sasuke can learn is jutsus of both lightning and fire more easier than other jutsu's.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 03:30 PM
Well great chapter by Kishimotto once again. The man continues to develop this manga. I think some of the frustration many feel with the Managa is that even though we are into chapter 315, kishimotto has not properly fleshed out this world and there is still so much more we don’t know about the basics of Naruto’s world.

Here are my predictions

1) Hmmm I wonder why everyone is ignoring a very important topic. Kakashi told Naruto that if he was a wind type he would cut the paper in half. But Naruto did not cut the paper in half he basically made a second copy of it. This is important as it points to the second aspect of Wind chakra manipulation: - Nature. Although I know Naruto will add aspects of wind to the rasengan I see Naruto having an affinity with Nature Justus that will make Yamato more of an important part of the training.

2) It has been said already that the Fourth made and inventive jutsu that not only channels the Kyuubi’s chakra but channels it into Naruto. So more than likely over time with the aid of the seal converting the Kyuubi chakra the fourth made a human chakra storing machine accumulating converted Kyuubi chakra into Naruto. This is important as I foresee that a future date Naruto will get the Kyuubi sucked out of him for the Akatsuki plot to develop and we will see Naruto fight and win battles with out the Kyuubi. It’s been hinted too allot by his teachers that he is strong even without the Kyuubi.

Because of that i also beleive Kakashi means Yamato will supress the Kyuubi like he did before using the seal and all of Naruto's chakra will be available for his use. I.E. his chakra level will be 100 times Kakashi. It does mean he is more powerful as this is not DBZ. Chakra is not chi. It just means that he has more power to use for various jutsu. (E.g. If Naruto is able to make 100 chidori but Kakasi makes only 3 but Kakashi is able to hit Naruto with one chidori it makes no difference how many Naruto was able to make.)

That just my 2 cents and like many other predictions I may be wrong. Kishimotto is an inventive and wily manga writer...





No, what everyone else is saying makes sense...
A large proportion of Narutos chakra is acting as a buffer between Naruto's usable chakra and the Kyuubi chakra. I guess this is going on at the same level of the seal, and through diffusion, Kyuubi's chakra has been getting slowly added to Naruto's throughout the years.

Yamato will be not only stopping Kyuubi from showing up, but surpessing his Chakra entirely, allowing the other half of Naruto's chakra to be free for use. In short, Yamato is probably using his chakra to replace Naruto's in that buffer-zone.

Thinking about it more... Half of Naruto's latent chakra + Yondaime's seal, is enough to withstand the Kyuubi. It's pretty amazing what Yondaime did there, he basically created an infant chakra machine... lol


Great minds...
You know the rest...lol

laughing@you
July 13, 2006, 03:31 PM
No. What it means is that Sasuke has simply learned skills from two branches of elemental powers.

It's probably a LOT easer to create a new technique if it's a compatible element. Orochimaru is probably a better teacher than mr i'll-give-you-a-few-hints-and-then-i'll-go-buy-some-whores so he probably taught Sasuke this while Jiraiya left Naruto ignorant.


Well of course he would seem like a better teacher, his training sasuke so he can take over him.

And besides Sasuke is a genious who doesn't need to much attention or explaination, so basically orochimaru is probably having a blast!

ibra87
July 13, 2006, 03:36 PM
Well of course he would seem like a better teacher, his training sasuke so he can take over him.

And besides Sasuke is a genious who doesn't need to much attention or explaination, so basically orochimaru is probably having a blast!

Naruto was able to walk on water while having the kyuubi chakra inside him. He may no t seem like it, but without the kyuubi chakra he would have been a genius. And training someone who has the kyuubi chakra in him, is a lot harder than training a genius lad from a genius clan. So I don't think oro's that much better (he does teach forbidden jutsus though, which is ultraaa good)

destinator
July 13, 2006, 03:37 PM
And besides Sasuke is a genious who doesn't need to much attention or explaination, so basically orochimaru is probably having a blast!


Also Sasuke only needs to copy the most jutsus with his eye which is far more easier...

looshunz
July 13, 2006, 03:37 PM
hmm i checked the manga again it seems like he split it in 2...

hmmm really wonder about the nature part of that wind manipulation...

on a diff note i wonder how improving one jutsu will help naruto against Sasuke as Kishimotto has shown that sasuke has grown in various aspects and like everybody knows we haven't seen much of Naruto's growth with Jiraya

neomaster121
July 13, 2006, 03:42 PM
Maybe the wind isn't just about one jutsu but to put that in effect with all jutsu as well as taijutsu. So that Naruto gets faster and stronger. Does anyone remember the haku vs naruto fight where naruto goes demon mode and haku throws needles and all naruto does is scream and a gust of wind/chakra was blown out of his mouth deflecting the needles. Maybe that was a hint about naruto wind reallated chakra.

ibra87
July 13, 2006, 04:03 PM
Maybe the wind isn't just about one jutsu but to put that in effect with all jutsu as well as taijutsu. So that Naruto gets faster and stronger. Does anyone remember the haku vs naruto fight where naruto goes demon mode and haku throws needles and all naruto does is scream and a gust of wind/chakra was blown out of his mouth deflecting the needles. Maybe that was a hint about naruto wind reallated chakra.

Sorry but I doubt it. That was pure chakra, doesn't have anything to do with wind as far as I'm concerned.

odeon
July 13, 2006, 04:05 PM
wait a minute.I thought we had the same idea.when yamato stop suppressing naruto,he will be able to use kyuubi chakra and thus he can have 100 times chakra as kakashi but normal naruto has only twice much as kakashi has.


haha lol sry i'm a little tired yes acutally I had this idea ... probably don't read the full post sry my bad

Ooinaru
July 13, 2006, 04:07 PM
Fuuton *something* no jutsu! :p

Hey, wait just a minute guys (and girls)! Didn't Naruto use "wind" jutsu during his fight against Kiba in the chuunin exam? :o :blink :eyeroll lol!

odeon
July 13, 2006, 04:16 PM
Fuuton *something* no jutsu! :p

Hey, wait just a minute guys (and girls)! Didn't Naruto use "wind" jutsu during his fight against Kiba in the chuunin exam? :o :blink :eyeroll lol!

yeah... he used "smelly blast of wind no jutsu" he will also improve that one I let you imagine ... that be a hell of a jutsu... particulary against akatsuki and orochimaru :)

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 04:38 PM
ok theres no way naruto is going to lose the kyuubi thats his trump card and also i dont think that naruto is having to use part of his chakara to hold back kyuubi cause jiraiya fixed the seal so the that scenario wouldnt happen i think naruto is just going to learn how to controll his chakara and the kyuubis chakara together so he gets stronger with out completely relying on the kyuubi proably what will happen in the next chapter his they skip through the training although thats only a fifty percert chance i only think they would do that so the anime can make some filler episodes later on about his training so they dont have to worry about catching up to the manga and a much later prediction naruto gets captured by akatsuki and sasuke saves him right before he loses the nine tails

also i think naruto special will be like a rasengan shape that covers his entire body and he can make it spread so it becomes a defense and attack justsu it might be hard to imagne or it could like the winds sickles from yuyu hakusho that would be cool wind shuriken

Otomo kage
July 13, 2006, 04:42 PM
According to the updated translation.. it seems Yamato will surpress the kyubii.

o well, thats fine with me

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 04:43 PM
i mean theres no way the shoen magazine would aprove of naruto losing the kyuubi

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 04:46 PM
i mean theres no way the shoen magazine would aprove of naruto losing the kyuubi



it isnt really their business is it? (i mean yeah its their BUSINESS but u know what i mean lol)

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 04:46 PM
yamato is there proabably just to stop naruto if he goes kn4 and i dont think its been stated that yamato can surpress the kyuubis chakara plus he cant use that technique as well as the first could

destinator
July 13, 2006, 04:48 PM
yamato is there proabably just to stop naruto if he goes kn4 and i dont think its been stated that yamato can surpress the kyuubis chakara plus he cant use that technique as well as the first could


isnt that yamatos special ability (to suppress)?

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 04:54 PM
it isnt really their business is it? (i mean yeah its their BUSINESS but u know what i mean lol)



well technically they have that control since kishi's producer can tell him to change it to make it so it will sale better[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 04:50:29 PM_________________________________________________

isnt that yamatos special ability (to suppress)?


no he is suppose to be able to control it
[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 04:51:28 PM_________________________________________________oh yeah sorry forgetting slightly off topic but there are to many kyuubi haters
and not enough yamato haters

Mea
July 13, 2006, 04:57 PM
I was just thinking, if you remember early in the manga on there first tough mission. The Hidden Mist ninjas ambush the gang by jumping out of a puddle.

Maybe Naruto's new wind jutsu will be the samething only with the wind, or like that Zabuza guy did with the mist to get through there defence (Silent strike maybe not sure about the name). Naruto problem of missing with Rasengan will be over. Maybe even used for stealth or for travel.

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 05:00 PM
I was just thinking, if you remember early in the manga on there first tough mission. The Hidden Mist ninjas ambush the gang by jumping out of a puddle.

Maybe Naruto's new wind jutsu will be the samething only with the wind, or like that Zabuza guy did with the mist to get through there defence (Silent strike maybe not sure about the name). Naruto problem of missing with Rasengan will be over. Maybe even used for stealth or for travel.


hey also in that story arc didnt haku use the flash step to save zabuza at the end cause he did the hand symbols and disappered right in front of zabuza and kakashi
i know this is off topic but i was just wandering if anybody else had noticed that or could confirm that

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 05:10 PM
no...he created one of his ice mirrors to appear right beside zabuzza and kakashi and then stepped out of the mirror quick as a flash...a bit of genious there if u ask me

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 05:20 PM
no...he created one of his ice mirrors to appear right beside zabuzza and kakashi and then stepped out of the mirror quick as a flash...a bit of genious there if u ask me


really i dont remember seeing that in either the anime or the manga i really thought kishi was hinting to something there and maybe naruto would have a flash back to that if he ever learned the flash step or learned about it

but really r sure it was an ice mirror cause i didnt think that you had to do the hand symbols for a gekkai gen kai

cerventus
July 13, 2006, 05:29 PM
Anyone here watch Rave? There is this Elemental Master that surrounds himself with wind and fly. Maybe Naruto will learn that ...

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 05:31 PM
Anyone here watch Rave? There is this Elemental Master that surrounds himself with wind and fly. Maybe Naruto will learn that ...


yeah thats my best theory on the new move except im not so sure about flying maybe hovering although it is possible to ues your chakara to fly although i dont think it has to be like the how the hidden star village ninjas fly

gold roger
July 13, 2006, 05:36 PM
My thought is that naruto won't be taught the fourths "yellow flash" signature move. It's already been stated that naruto will develope the new jutsu himself, even though it is with help. Not even Kakashi, a Sharingan user and genious that had plenty of time observing the fourth can use it, so there's no teacher for the jutsu.

However, I do belief it's possible that naruto redevelops the jutsu by accident. I mean, whatever the reason is, we do know for a fact that he is a lot like the fourth.

Even if it's not the "yellow flash" jutsu, I don't think it will be a direct attack or defence jutsu.

I just don't see naruto at ranged combat, besides, he already has a hard time hitting in melee, how should he at ranged combat. He's the kind of guy who likes to be face to face with his enemy and is easily provoked into melee. Besides, there's always that talk how Naruto should concentrate on his strength and so far that's always been melee offense and trickery. With kagebunshin and Rasengan he's very well equiped for the first.

So I maintain my 315 prediction that this will be a versatile jutsu.

odeon
July 13, 2006, 05:43 PM
According to the updated translation.. it seems Yamato will surpress the kyubii.

o well, thats fine with me


no he will stop suppressing kyubi chakra (cause he actually supress kyubi chakra)... so he will allow naruto to tap into kyubi chakra but keeping control over that i read the 3 translation and ask hishouburai... that seems more like that

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 06:06 PM
no he will stop suppressing kyubi chakra (cause he actually supress kyubi chakra)... so he will allow naruto to tap into kyubi chakra but keeping control over that i read the 3 translation and ask hishouburai... that seems more like that

odeon i completely agree with you and all you kyuubi haters should be ashamed


also i think that if naruto learned a new attack justsu it would proably be a long range attack cause naruto despartly needs one cause theres no way he can compete against sasuke up close maybe hell get an attack like the sound nin from the chunin exam the one with the holes in his hand (i forgot his name but he doent matter) although i doubt it

but if he did get a close range attack it proably be something that blows the enemy away or some kinda of weapons made out of wind but we really havent seen any wind justsu users other than temari and the holes in the hand guy that i recall

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 06:10 PM
in the naruto council game naruto throw tornados, so that's my prediction.

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 06:11 PM
really i dont remember seeing that in either the anime or the manga i really thought kishi was hinting to something there and maybe naruto would have a flash back to that if he ever learned the flash step or learned about it

but really r sure it was an ice mirror cause i didnt think that you had to do the hand symbols for a gekkai gen kai


yup i'm pretty sure :tem

infact the only way i know is because i rewatched the episode today looking for something else and i just realized. He did the hand seals then dissapeared, then this thingie burst out the ground like water and then formed the ice mirror at the side of kakashi and zabuzza and yeah he pops out infront of kakashi and takes the blow. You can double check the episode and see for yourself. Anyone wants to verify what i'm sure i saw? :p

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 06:18 PM
yup i'm pretty sure :tem

infact the only way i know is because i rewatched the episode today looking for something else and i just realized. He did the hand seals then dissapeared, then this thingie burst out the ground like water and then formed the ice mirror at the side of kakashi and zabuzza and yeah he pops out infront of kakashi and takes the blow. You can double check the episode and see for yourself. Anyone wants to verify what i'm sure i saw? :p


ok i guess i just didnt see but it would have of been cool he had used the flash step

gold roger
July 13, 2006, 06:21 PM
yup i'm pretty sure :tem

infact the only way i know is because i rewatched the episode today looking for something else and i just realized. He did the hand seals then dissapeared, then this thingie burst out the ground like water and then formed the ice mirror at the side of kakashi and zabuzza and yeah he pops out infront of kakashi and takes the blow. You can double check the episode and see for yourself. Anyone wants to verify what i'm sure i saw? :p

I just recently reread all chapters in the manga and noticed for the first time that the mirror is shown when haku jumps to protect Zabusa. I don't think the seals are shown, but then, they are often performed "off stage".

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 06:26 PM
Yeah i know. Its funny how we dont notice these things in the heat of the action :tem

But now that you mention it, i'm sure there'll probably be a clan that whose ability is just that, the ability to move at super-uber fast speeds. This would definelty be a real challenge for naruto, unless this jutsu allows him to stop people at really fast speeds too

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 06:27 PM
Yeah, it sure is a prediction...
But you do realize that people like Gaara, Kabuto, Kakashi, Sasuke, Orochimaru... every ANBU member...
Have already been using "Body Flicker (Shunshin)" since the beginning of the Manga?

You mean Hiraishin, and since that is a Summoning jutsu, i don't really see how that falls into line with an element at all. I mean, if you care to exlplain it, i'll listen :)[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 06:43:25 AM_________________________________________________
Exactly!
i sorry but i can't deal with what you just said, they have not been using bodyflicker at all. it is the localized version of hiraishin, if kakashi was using it sasuke wouldn't have to learn chidori, cuz he could kill his enemies at leisure. lee's/ gia's speed would be a joke to sasuke. but it isn't. no one except maybejiraiya knows it. scratch that if he knew it low chakra or not he would have killed oro.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 06:34 PM
i sorry but i can't deal with what you just said, they have not been using bodyflicker at all. it is the localized version of hiraishin, if kakashi was using it sasuke wouldn't have to learn chidori, cuz he could kill his enemies at leisure. lee's/ gia's speed would be a joke to sasuke. but it isn't. no one except maybejiraiya knows it. scratch that if he knew it low chakra or not he would have killed oro.


Shunshin is the teleportation jutsu that you have seen throughout the manga/anime...
Basically, whenever people make a <b>quick getaway and dissapear</b>... THATS Shunshin no jutsu.

I can understand if you have never seen this jutsu... but come on, Jounin use it to leave the room sometimes...lol

Btw... for your knowledge: Shunshin no jutsu is a C-Rank jutsu. So don't get any special throughts about it, any Chuunin is easily able to learn it.

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 06:37 PM
Yeah, perfect example right there.
Kakashi says: "I can even do this much" and then easily makes about 15-20 kage bunshins, and that was after his chakra was depleted from the fight With Zabuza, and using the Chidori...
those were shadow clones, naruto being a stamina freak was too dumb to use anything but kage bunshin, kakashi just did shadow clones where naruto thaught he would have to fight.

chalk it up to inexperience.

DarkManSharingan32
July 13, 2006, 06:38 PM
those were shadow clones, naruto being a stamina freak was too dumb to use anything but kage bunshin, kakashi just did shadow clones where naruto thaught he would have to fight.

chalk it up to inexperience.


Heyy, you're like... Quoting all my posts...
What's goin on Shishi-O?

lol

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 06:50 PM
Ok he dosent say that at all for one. When Jiraya was teaching him to control the Kyuubi chakra, first he has Naruto COMPLETELY empty his chakra stores by walking on water until he was out. THEN he was to try and summon something. Since he was out of chakra he'd have have to rely on Kyuubi's chakra to summon anything more then the tadpole he was getting. Second he HAS summoned Gamabunta with his own chakra. That was after he realized that fighting for someone was what makes people strong while he was fighting Garaa in the woods. Third, The amount of times he's really used the Kyuubi charka, are pretty limited. Wave Country Arc, Neji Fight, End of Garaa Fight, First Summoning of Gamabunta, Sasuke Fight, Injuring Jiraya, Dedara Fight, Oro Fight. Thats not that many considering how much he's gone through. Fourth and finally, Yamoto says his chakra is stronger then Kyuubis (granted only a portion of that chakra is being released at any given time) otherwise he wouldn't be able to suppress it like he does.
his chakra was red when he summoned gamm oyabin, wich is kyuubi chakra. maybe we should clarify what we are reffering to when we say kyuubi; do we mean chakra, or kyuubi taking over?[br][size=1]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 06:42:38 PM

WTF? i'm sorry but it just seems that u think that just because naruto is a wind element type that he can control the wind or something!! Sasuke is fire element type but you dont see him making fireballs and using fire to boost his speed or giving people fire punches or whatever. Sure he does his katon jutsu (and can obviously do non fire jutsu too) so i think u see where i'm coming from. Its not like xmen where they have total control over the element or whatever. (off the top of my head the only element controling person i've seen so far is haku)
yeah, but it's naruto, meaninglike he has kagebunshins appear 100ft above kabuto's head sporting a rasengan. he's naruto once he learns this one thing, he's gonna trick it out. he'll move using wind jutsu to augment his speed, imagine a thousand kagebunshins each throwing 4 shuriken at youbacked by a gust of wind. decent, no?

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 07:02 PM
those were shadow clones, naruto being a stamina freak was too dumb to use anything but kage bunshin, kakashi just did shadow clones where naruto thaught he would have to fight.

chalk it up to inexperience.


Fair enough but how do we know for sure they are kage bunshins? I mean, couldnt they have been normal bunshins? Or they could have even been water clones. I just wanna know if there's any concrete evidence that for sure, kakashi used the kage bunshin technique

rocker2
July 13, 2006, 07:05 PM
1. Just read some of the previous posts. It seems some people are missing the point of Jiraiya's different training method. There are some ninjas that need to be taught things verbally, through direct interaction with the teacher and step-by-step. An example of such a ninja would be Sasuke. Since he is intelligent in and out of combat, such a teaching style works best for him. Also, his sharingan can copy moves so long as he is shown them. Thus interaction is the best way to practice and bring those moves out. The other type of ninja are the creative type, who master techniques by putting their own two cents into how it should be done. They learn by doing and experiencing the various skills needed for a jutsu. This type reflects Naruto and likely, the 4th as well. This is why Jiraiya leaves so much of the learning up to Naruto. It doesn't matter how much he explains a step or shows it. The skill won't sink in until Naruto does it. Also for Naruto to perform certain skills, he'll throw in his own trademark methods to accomplish them. This may make the skill less effective, but on a whole, they make the skill more effective than before. An example is Naruto's use of the Kage Buushin to achieve chakra control over rasengan. At first it may seem that it makes rasengan less effective as more chakra needs to be spent to get the same technique others can do without Kage Buushin. However, in the long run, it results in an amplified effect giving the technique far more power and efficiency than it could ever be done with before --> Odama Rasengan. Of course, over time, Naruto will also gain the ability to perform the various techniques as they were originally intended - like the chakra control of rasengan so he can do the technique now one-handed - the creative inspiration always helps. And if there is still doubt in the equality of the teaching methods, just look at the amount of time required for the same result. Sasuke took 1 month to learn chidori - an A rank jutsu. Naruto also took 1 month to learn rasengan - also an A rank jutsu of equal or higher effectiveness than chidori. Kakashi is a genious and will likely realize that by changing his methods of teaching closer to Jiraiya's, he'll be able to get Naruto to progress much faster. Also, the fact that Jiraiya's method is more hands-off, it would give Kakashi the time needed to go around to the 1000 or so clone to monitor all their progress and teach them all.

2. Sasuke's element is likely fire as he is an Uchiha. As I posted before, he is sticking currently with lightning-based techniques because he unlikely has been taught anymore powerful fire ones. He doesn't invent jutsu - he just copies and learns them. At most he'll make slight modifications to existing jutsus based on jutsus he already knows. It is highly likely that chidori nagashi was a jutsu thought up by Oro and then Sasuke figure out how to perform it with Oro's suggestions. The kusangi sword was also likely a suggestion on Oro's part (he's the original one with a Kusangi sword). Sasuke went to Oro for training as only Oro could offer Sasuke an array of powerful techniques. However, the techniques were still originally learned or developed by Oro.

3. As for the 4th, he was likely was inclined to wind jutsu as well. He was deemed the "Thunder God," utilized mainly speed techniques and invented rasengan which is highly compatible for wind elemental usage. It would also make sense with the fact that Naruto takes after the 4th in his nature and appearance (as noted by both Jiraiya and Tsunade). The surprise from Kakashi and Yamato when they saw Naruto's wind elemental nature could also possibly be due to the fact that it was another case of Naruto resembling the 4th (though we likely won't know unless Kishi lets us in on this one).

4. Naruto was stated to have at least twice the amount of chakra that Kakashi has normally and possibly 100+ times the amount of chakra he has if the Kyuubi is kept in check by Yamato (this was stated in most of the translations I've read). We already know that Naruto himself can generate at least 1000 clones (and this was back when he could only go KB1). Kakashi has not seen the true extent of Naruto's chakra capacity yet since he previously trained Naruto so Kakashi is most likely highly underestimating the figures he stated. As for Yamato, he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra - he does not have the ability to mold it. His purpose for being there is to keep the the KB Naruto versions from appearing. This normally happens when Naruto is low on chakra or utilizes rage. Since he is training, rage is not the problem. However, since Naruto will be using the majority of his chakra, Yamato will be needed to suppress the Kyuubi chakra until Naruto can recover enough of his own after each period of training. Then again, we don't know the extent of damage to the chakra crystal though we do know it was damaged. Naruto still has it, but then we all know that Naruto isn't the brightest guy around and therefore likely would not have inspected the crystal as of late. Thus, it will be interesting to see what will happen should Yamato need to try to suppress the Kyuubi with the damaged crystal.



i sorry but i can't deal with what you just said, they have not been using bodyflicker at all. it is the localized version of hiraishin, if kakashi was using it sasuke wouldn't have to learn chidori, cuz he could kill his enemies at leisure. lee's/ gia's speed would be a joke to sasuke. but it isn't. no one except maybejiraiya knows it. scratch that if he knew it low chakra or not he would have killed oro.

Naruto can use body flicker too. That was how he was able to outmaneuver Kakashi during the 2nd bell test (and no, it wasn't just Kage Buushin and yes Kakashi was stuck until he pulled off a replacement + kage buushin of his own). What is different about the 4th's body flicker is the teleportation-like speed of it (and no, I'm not talking about hirashin here). Therefore it is likely that the 4th had his own special variation which would likely make his body flicker jutsu of a much higher rank than the normal body flicker. Just like different ranks exist for the various versions of Kage Buushin.

SacredNic
July 13, 2006, 07:09 PM
I dont think he'll 'upgrade' or modify the ransengan as he's done with oodama ransangan, but will create a new jutsu altogether.

I think there is something Kakashi hasnt mentioned yet... as in we have half the equation. Perhaps we'll find that out in the next chapter and then begin to speculate what the final jutsu will be. :tem

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 07:12 PM
Well great chapter by Kishimotto once again. The man continues to develop this manga. I think some of the frustration many feel with the Managa is that even though we are into chapter 315, kishimotto has not properly fleshed out this world and there is still so much more we don’t know about the basics of Naruto’s world.

Here are my predictions

1) Hmmm I wonder why everyone is ignoring a very important topic. Kakashi told Naruto that if he was a wind type he would cut the paper in half. But Naruto did not cut the paper in half he basically made a second copy of it. This is important as it points to the second aspect of Wind chakra manipulation: - Nature. Although I know Naruto will add aspects of wind to the rasengan I see Naruto having an affinity with Nature Justus that will make Yamato more of an important part of the training.

2) It has been said already that the Fourth made and inventive jutsu that not only channels the Kyuubi’s chakra but channels it into Naruto. So more than likely over time with the aid of the seal converting the Kyuubi chakra the fourth made a human chakra storing machine accumulating converted Kyuubi chakra into Naruto. This is important as I foresee that a future date Naruto will get the Kyuubi sucked out of him for the Akatsuki plot to develop and we will see Naruto fight and win battles with out the Kyuubi. It’s been hinted too allot by his teachers that he is strong even without the Kyuubi.

Because of that i also beleive Kakashi means Yamato will supress the Kyuubi like he did before using the seal and all of Naruto's chakra will be available for his use. I.E. his chakra level will be 100 times Kakashi. It does mean he is more powerful as this is not DBZ. Chakra is not chi. It just means that he has more power to use for various jutsu. (E.g. If Naruto is able to make 100 chidori but Kakasi makes only 3 but Kakashi is able to hit Naruto with one chidori it makes no difference how many Naruto was able to make.)

That just my 2 cents and like many other predictions I may be wrong. Kishimotto is an inventive and wily manga writer...

AL is mokuton user, if naruto doesn't become scary in his own right, he can suppress kyuubi's chakra and take it from naruto. if you don't think AL knows that jutsu, you are being naive.

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 07:12 PM
[br][size=1]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 06:42:38 PM
yeah, but it's naruto, meaninglike he has kagebunshins appear 100ft above kabuto's head sporting a rasengan. he's naruto once he learns this one thing, he's gonna trick it out. he'll move using wind jutsu to augment his speed, imagine a thousand kagebunshins each throwing 4 shuriken at youbacked by a gust of wind. decent, no?


yeah but we'd all figured he'd do something like that before. u know like 100 clones surround the enemy and use rasengan i mean, one of them must connect right? but sadly naruto hasnt done this as yet so i'm still wondering where he's gonna go with this jutsu, or even if it is goin to be kagebunshin-ified like the rasengan is

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 07:44 PM
what do you mean?actually seal holding the kyuubi chakra off.naruto cant stay in kyuubi form too long because his chakra cant endure that much poisonus chakra.


and this doesnt make naruto that great.he has only twice much chakra as kakashi.
there where things on the sides of twice, i think naruto's chakra is at least 10 times kakashi's without kyuubi[br][size=1]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 07:14:33 PM

Shunshin is the teleportation jutsu that you have seen throughout the manga/anime...
Basically, whenever people make a <b>quick getaway and dissapear</b>... THATS Shunshin no jutsu.

I can understand if you have never seen this jutsu... but come on, Jounin use it to leave the room sometimes...lol

Btw... for your knowledge: Shunshin no jutsu is a C-Rank jutsu. So don't get any special throughts about it, any Chuunin is easily able to learn it.
i repeat, aw hell i'll post it

this is shunshin, it puts gai's level of speed( and he is most definately the fastest we've seen in the series) to shame.[br][size=1]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 07:31:16 PM

1. Just read some of the previous posts. It seems some people are missing the point of Jiraiya's different training method. There are some ninjas that need to be taught things verbally, through direct interaction with the teacher and step-by-step. An example of such a ninja would be Sasuke. Since he is intelligent in and out of combat, such a teaching style works best for him. Also, his sharingan can copy moves so long as he is shown them. Thus interaction is the best way to practice and bring those moves out. The other type of ninja are the creative type, who master techniques by putting their own two cents into how it should be done. They learn by doing and experiencing the various skills needed for a jutsu. This type reflects Naruto and likely, the 4th as well. This is why Jiraiya leaves so much of the learning up to Naruto. It doesn't matter how much he explains a step or shows it. The skill won't sink in until Naruto does it. Also for Naruto to perform certain skills, he'll throw in his own trademark methods to accomplish them. This may make the skill less effective, but on a whole, they make the skill more effective than before. An example is Naruto's use of the Kage Buushin to achieve chakra control over rasengan. At first it may seem that it makes rasengan less effective as more chakra needs to be spent to get the same technique others can do without Kage Buushin. However, in the long run, it results in an amplified effect giving the technique far more power and efficiency than it could ever be done with before --> Odama Rasengan. Of course, over time, Naruto will also gain the ability to perform the various techniques as they were originally intended - like the chakra control of rasengan so he can do the technique now one-handed - the creative inspiration always helps. And if there is still doubt in the equality of the teaching methods, just look at the amount of time required for the same result. Sasuke took 1 month to learn chidori - an A rank jutsu. Naruto also took 1 month to learn rasengan - also an A rank jutsu of equal or higher effectiveness than chidori. Kakashi is a genious and will likely realize that by changing his methods of teaching closer to Jiraiya's, he'll be able to get Naruto to progress much faster. Also, the fact that Jiraiya's method is more hands-off, it would give Kakashi the time needed to go around to the 1000 or so clone to monitor all their progress and teach them all.

2. Sasuke's element is likely fire as he is an Uchiha. As I posted before, he is sticking currently with lightning-based techniques because he unlikely has been taught anymore powerful fire ones. He doesn't invent jutsu - he just copies and learns them. At most he'll make slight modifications to existing jutsus based on jutsus he already knows. It is highly likely that chidori nagashi was a jutsu thought up by Oro and then Sasuke figure out how to perform it with Oro's suggestions. The kusangi sword was also likely a suggestion on Oro's part (he's the original one with a Kusangi sword). Sasuke went to Oro for training as only Oro could offer Sasuke an array of powerful techniques. However, the techniques were still originally learned or developed by Oro.

3. As for the 4th, he was likely was inclined to wind jutsu as well. He was deemed the "Thunder God," utilized mainly speed techniques and invented rasengan which is highly compatible for wind elemental usage. It would also make sense with the fact that Naruto takes after the 4th in his nature and appearance (as noted by both Jiraiya and Tsunade). The surprise from Kakashi and Yamato when they saw Naruto's wind elemental nature could also possibly be due to the fact that it was another case of Naruto resembling the 4th (though we likely won't know unless Kishi lets us in on this one).

4. Naruto was stated to have at least twice the amount of chakra that Kakashi has normally and possibly 100+ times the amount of chakra he has if the Kyuubi is kept in check by Yamato (this was stated in most of the translations I've read). We already know that Naruto himself can generate at least 1000 clones (and this was back when he could only go KB1). Kakashi has not seen the true extent of Naruto's chakra capacity yet since he previously trained Naruto so Kakashi is most likely highly underestimating the figures he stated. As for Yamato, he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra - he does not have the ability to mold it. His purpose for being there is to keep the the KB Naruto versions from appearing. This normally happens when Naruto is low on chakra or utilizes rage. Since he is training, rage is not the problem. However, since Naruto will be using the majority of his chakra, Yamato will be needed to suppress the Kyuubi chakra until Naruto can recover enough of his own after each period of training. Then again, we don't know the extent of damage to the chakra crystal though we do know it was damaged. Naruto still has it, but then we all know that Naruto isn't the brightest guy around and therefore likely would not have inspected the crystal as of late. Thus, it will be interesting to see what will happen should Yamato need to try to suppress the Kyuubi with the damaged crystal.
Naruto can use body flicker too. That was how he was able to outmaneuver Kakashi during the 2nd bell test (and no, it wasn't just Kage Buushin and yes Kakashi was stuck until he pulled off a replacement + kage buushin of his own). What is different about the 4th's body flicker is the teleportation-like speed of it (and no, I'm not talking about hirashin here). Therefore it is likely that the 4th had his own special variation which would likely make his body flicker jutsu of a much higher rank than the normal body flicker. Just like different ranks exist for the various versions of Kage Buushin.
loved your post as usual, but that is not body flicker that everybody uses, well anyway i posted the pics.

Metris
July 13, 2006, 08:08 PM
I really hope that Hinata somehow gets in the next chapter. I kinda miss her :)

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 08:08 PM
1. Just read some of the previous posts. It seems some people are missing the point of Jiraiya's different training method. There are some ninjas that need to be taught things verbally, through direct interaction with the teacher and step-by-step. An example of such a ninja would be Sasuke. Since he is intelligent in and out of combat, such a teaching style works best for him. Also, his sharingan can copy moves so long as he is shown them. Thus interaction is the best way to practice and bring those moves out. The other type of ninja are the creative type, who master techniques by putting their own two cents into how it should be done. They learn by doing and experiencing the various skills needed for a jutsu. This type reflects Naruto and likely, the 4th as well. This is why Jiraiya leaves so much of the learning up to Naruto. It doesn't matter how much he explains a step or shows it. The skill won't sink in until Naruto does it. Also for Naruto to perform certain skills, he'll throw in his own trademark methods to accomplish them. This may make the skill less effective, but on a whole, they make the skill more effective than before. An example is Naruto's use of the Kage Buushin to achieve chakra control over rasengan. At first it may seem that it makes rasengan less effective as more chakra needs to be spent to get the same technique others can do without Kage Buushin. However, in the long run, it results in an amplified effect giving the technique far more power and efficiency than it could ever be done with before --> Odama Rasengan. Of course, over time, Naruto will also gain the ability to perform the various techniques as they were originally intended - like the chakra control of rasengan so he can do the technique now one-handed - the creative inspiration always helps. And if there is still doubt in the equality of the teaching methods, just look at the amount of time required for the same result. Sasuke took 1 month to learn chidori - an A rank jutsu. Naruto also took 1 month to learn rasengan - also an A rank jutsu of equal or higher effectiveness than chidori. Kakashi is a genious and will likely realize that by changing his methods of teaching closer to Jiraiya's, he'll be able to get Naruto to progress much faster. Also, the fact that Jiraiya's method is more hands-off, it would give Kakashi the time needed to go around to the 1000 or so clone to monitor all their progress and teach them all.

2. Sasuke's element is likely fire as he is an Uchiha. As I posted before, he is sticking currently with lightning-based techniques because he unlikely has been taught anymore powerful fire ones. He doesn't invent jutsu - he just copies and learns them. At most he'll make slight modifications to existing jutsus based on jutsus he already knows. It is highly likely that chidori nagashi was a jutsu thought up by Oro and then Sasuke figure out how to perform it with Oro's suggestions. The kusangi sword was also likely a suggestion on Oro's part (he's the original one with a Kusangi sword). Sasuke went to Oro for training as only Oro could offer Sasuke an array of powerful techniques. However, the techniques were still originally learned or developed by Oro.

3. As for the 4th, he was likely was inclined to wind jutsu as well. He was deemed the "Thunder God," utilized mainly speed techniques and invented rasengan which is highly compatible for wind elemental usage. It would also make sense with the fact that Naruto takes after the 4th in his nature and appearance (as noted by both Jiraiya and Tsunade). The surprise from Kakashi and Yamato when they saw Naruto's wind elemental nature could also possibly be due to the fact that it was another case of Naruto resembling the 4th (though we likely won't know unless Kishi lets us in on this one).

4. Naruto was stated to have at least twice the amount of chakra that Kakashi has normally and possibly 100+ times the amount of chakra he has if the Kyuubi is kept in check by Yamato (this was stated in most of the translations I've read). We already know that Naruto himself can generate at least 1000 clones (and this was back when he could only go KB1). Kakashi has not seen the true extent of Naruto's chakra capacity yet since he previously trained Naruto so Kakashi is most likely highly underestimating the figures he stated. As for Yamato, he can suppress the Kyuubi chakra - he does not have the ability to mold it. His purpose for being there is to keep the the KB Naruto versions from appearing. This normally happens when Naruto is low on chakra or utilizes rage. Since he is training, rage is not the problem. However, since Naruto will be using the majority of his chakra, Yamato will be needed to suppress the Kyuubi chakra until Naruto can recover enough of his own after each period of training. Then again, we don't know the extent of damage to the chakra crystal though we do know it was damaged. Naruto still has it, but then we all know that Naruto isn't the brightest guy around and therefore likely would not have inspected the crystal as of late. Thus, it will be interesting to see what will happen should Yamato need to try to suppress the Kyuubi with the damaged crystal.
Naruto can use body flicker too. That was how he was able to outmaneuver Kakashi during the 2nd bell test (and no, it wasn't just Kage Buushin and yes Kakashi was stuck until he pulled off a replacement + kage buushin of his own). What is different about the 4th's body flicker is the teleportation-like speed of it (and no, I'm not talking about hirashin here). Therefore it is likely that the 4th had his own special variation which would likely make his body flicker jutsu of a much higher rank than the normal body flicker. Just like different ranks exist for the various versions of Kage Buushin.



i have to disagree with this why do people keep thinking that yamato can/will surpress
the kyuubi chakara the kyuubi's chakara is only dangerous to naruto when he has a tail and naruto doesnt have to use his chakara to hold back the kyuubi he has to decide to to use the kyuubi's power (and when naruto turned down the ninetails that pretty much showed he was gaining controll) if you remember jiraiya fixed the seal so the two chakara's wouldnt mix together in a way that would hender him thats why he wanted naruto to call on the nine tails chakara so he would learn how to control it and hasnt everyone in the manga been saying that if he learned how to control the kyuubis chakara hed be like super strong

only way naruto is going to beat sasuke is when he can control the nine tails

donkeyhigh
July 13, 2006, 08:39 PM
Uhm, one thing that got me confuzed..
Kakashi said he could make about 10 Kage Bunshins.. Well, in the Haku arc, he made like 4352342345 of them when scaring of the pirates?
Maby they were mere Bunshins, or maby he could make so many because they just stood still.. However, it's a bit weird in my mind..



only way naruto is going to beat sasuke is when he can control the nine tails


I really hope you're wrong here, and I think you are too..
Sasuke is a personal issue to Naruto, it's something he should do on his own, as Kyubii is a separate life-form living within Naruto, it wouldn't be Naruto VS Sasuke, it would be Naruto + Kyubii VS Sasuke, meaning Naruto wouldn't do it himself.

There are different types of fight. This is one of those you fight for yourself without aid or help, even if you die. It's a matter honor, pride and selfaccomplishment.
If he were to use the Kyubiis powers, he would spoil his honor and the fight would be meaningless. Atleast that's how I see it.

It may sound dumb to some, but hopefully someone'll understand what I'm trying to say.
1 vs 1, man versus man, a fair personal fight that noone can change, no excuses, plain and easy fight, both sides only uses their own strengh.
Gah, you get the picture.

In short: Using Kyubii would be cheating. That's like Sasuke using Orochimaru and Kabuto against Konohamaru.

Sephy7KillerMech
July 13, 2006, 08:41 PM
But kyuubi chakra has been leaking into his Chakra stream over the years and his natural chakra has been suppressing it without Naruto knowing it. When Naruto was a baby the seal was new and so it suppressed all chakra so his lil baby body wasn't poisoned, then over the years the seal wore out and more chakra leaked into his body. What's amazing about naruto ISN'T HIS CHAKRA AMOUNT, it's his STAMINA. Stamina = Chakra. As Kyuubi's chakra leaked into naruto's chakra stream his stamina was used to make chakra to buffer kyuubi's chakra. Stamina increases as you use it more and more, a person that runs marathons has more stamina than someone like me because they use it more. While they are out jogging i'm sitting on my computer.

I think they degradation of the seal was the in the 4th's plan, everyone else just sealed away their monsters, the 4th is trying to assimilate his monster. Naruto will become one with the kyuubi as an adult, his chakra will mix with the kyuubi's chakra so there will be no discerning the two. but for that to happen naruto always has to have more or equal chakra to what the fox is putting out, so currently naruto has more or equal chakra to a 3-tailed kyuubi.

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 08:50 PM
i have to disagree with this why do people keep thinking that yamato can/will surpress
the kyuubi chakara the kyuubi's chakara is only dangerous to naruto when he has a tail and naruto doesnt have to use his chakara to hold back the kyuubi he has to decide to to use the kyuubi's power (and when naruto turned down the ninetails that pretty much showed he was gaining controll) if you remember jiraiya fixed the seal so the two chakara's wouldnt mix together in a way that would hender him thats why he wanted naruto to call on the nine tails chakara so he would learn how to control it and hasnt everyone in the manga been saying that if he learned how to control the kyuubis chakara hed be like super strong

only way naruto is going to beat sasuke is when he can control the nine tails
i see your misunderstanding, ok, jiraiya got rid of the 5 element seal that oro put on naruto to disable his access to the powerful 9 tails chakra. jiraiya seeing this when naruto was training with ebisu removed the 5 element seal. don't worry i will post the pages.

Toad Sage
July 13, 2006, 09:11 PM
Yamato clearly states that Naruto is only able to harbor the Kyuubi because of Naruto immense natural reserve of chakara. He also claims Naruto is far more powerful with that chakara suppressed, since he must divert so much of his natural chakara to containing kyuubi. Later on we see Naruto denying the power the Kyuubi has to offer him...

It's like Kishimoto says through Shikamaru, "the first move is a feint, the second move is the real attack." It seems like Kishimoto is preparing the rework Naruto by riding him of the Kyuubi. It makes sense too, since the Akatsuki are in the process of stealing bijuu. They'll probably remove his, Naruto shall survive somehow, and finally emerge more powerful than ever.

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 09:16 PM
i see your misunderstanding, ok, jiraiya got rid of the 5 element seal that oro put on naruto to disable his access to the powerful 9 tails chakra. jiraiya seeing this when naruto was training with ebisu removed the 5 element seal. don't worry i will post the pages.



I really hope you're wrong here, and I think you are too..
Sasuke is a personal issue to Naruto, it's something he should do on his own, as Kyubii is a separate life-form living within Naruto, it wouldn't be Naruto VS Sasuke, it would be Naruto + Kyubii VS Sasuke, meaning Naruto wouldn't do it himself.

There are different types of fight. This is one of those you fight for yourself without aid or help, even if you die. It's a matter honor, pride and selfaccomplishment.
If he were to use the Kyubiis powers, he would spoil his honor and the fight would be meaningless. Atleast that's how I see it.

It may sound dumb to some, but hopefully someone'll understand what I'm trying to say.
1 vs 1, man versus man, a fair personal fight that noone can change, no excuses, plain and easy fight, both sides only uses their own strengh.
Gah, you get the picture.

In short: Using Kyubii would be cheating. That's like Sasuke using Orochimaru and Kabuto against Konohamaru.


[/quote]

umm naruto is a ninja this isnt dbz ninjas fight together so naruto fighting with the kyuubi wouldnt necessarily seem wrong and naruto said he would do what ever he had to to bring sasuke back whats he goanna tell sakura yeah i could have beat sasuke and broguht him back if i had of gone kyuubi but i didnt now he lost his body to oro oh well too bad
i mean come on theres no way naruto can catch up to sasuke with out the kyuubi and plus your a freak if you dont want to see either naruto go full nine tails or if you dont want to see naruto having matered the kyuubi's chakara completely theres no way hed lose to akatsuki then [br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 09:13:43 PM_________________________________________________sorry this last post got screwed up some how the person i was qouting was pjoto

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 09:25 PM
Uhm, one thing that got me confuzed..
Kakashi said he could make about 10 Kage Bunshins.. Well, in the Haku arc, he made like 4352342345 of them when scaring of the pirates?
Maby they were mere Bunshins, or maby he could make so many because they just stood still.. However, it's a bit weird in my mind..

I really hope you're wrong here, and I think you are too..
Sasuke is a personal issue to Naruto, it's something he should do on his own, as Kyubii is a separate life-form living within Naruto, it wouldn't be Naruto VS Sasuke, it would be Naruto + Kyubii VS Sasuke, meaning Naruto wouldn't do it himself.

There are different types of fight. This is one of those you fight for yourself without aid or help, even if you die. It's a matter honor, pride and selfaccomplishment.
If he were to use the Kyubiis powers, he would spoil his honor and the fight would be meaningless. Atleast that's how I see it.

It may sound dumb to some, but hopefully someone'll understand what I'm trying to say.
1 vs 1, man versus man, a fair personal fight that noone can change, no excuses, plain and easy fight, both sides only uses their own strengh.
Gah, you get the picture.

In short: Using Kyubii would be cheating. That's like Sasuke using Orochimaru and Kabuto against Konohamaru.


it is never vs sasuke, he doesn't want to kill him. he wants him to return.

so it's naruto( using kid gloves) vs sasuke trying to kill him to get ms

oro/sasu/kabu vs konohamaru :p :XD :XD :XD :XD very funny

renrutal
July 13, 2006, 09:40 PM
Okay, predictions:

<Kakashi> Well, to tell the truth, all that calculations is for a normal person, you'd actually need to spend 10 weeks to learn 20 years worth of training.

<Naruto> normal person... 20 years in a week... me.. 20 years in 10 weeks... ummm...

(One minute later)

<Naruto> ARE YOU CALLING ME STUPID-TTEBAYO!?!?!

SFX: PIN PON!

<Kakashi & Yamato> (do-aho...)

cerventus
July 13, 2006, 09:46 PM
Konohamaru might just pawn all after all his grandfather is a genius and he is also determine to be hokage.

Kakashi maybe claims he still can make 10(dont remember reading bout that, will reread later) and utalize them to fight with its fullest potential while naruto can easily produce 100 or more clones with full fighting capabilities. I think the Bridge arc clones were just a low powered clone as a decoy.

I still predict some Kage Bunshin will run off to eat Ramen. then the Akasuki will appear from behind and " gotcha"
The bunshin is realease and Naruto immediately realize the treat he is facing.

Donils
July 13, 2006, 09:52 PM
I really hope that Hinata somehow gets in the next chapter. I kinda miss her :)


It would be cool to see her interact with Naruto again either in a platonic or romantic sense. Even if you wholly believe in Naruto with Sakura, it doesn't mean Hinata still can't have some role in Naruto's life and a part in the story.

gold lion
July 13, 2006, 09:53 PM
Konohamaru might just pawn all after all his grandfather is a genius and he is also determine to be hokage.

Kakashi maybe claims he still can make 10(dont remember reading bout that, will reread later) and utalize them to fight with its fullest potential while naruto can easily produce 100 or more clones with full fighting capabilities. I think the Bridge arc clones were just a low powered clone as a decoy.

I still predict some Kage Bunshin will run off to eat Ramen. then the Akasuki will appear from behind and " gotcha"
The bunshin is realease and Naruto immediately realize the treat he is facing.




OMFG! that is the best prediction that i've heard all day! sweet dude :knk

zetsuie
July 13, 2006, 09:54 PM
Konohamaru might just pawn all after all his grandfather is a genius and he is also determine to be hokage.

Kakashi maybe claims he still can make 10(dont remember reading bout that, will reread later) and utalize them to fight with its fullest potential while naruto can easily produce 100 or more clones with full fighting capabilities. I think the Bridge arc clones were just a low powered clone as a decoy.

I still predict some Kage Bunshin will run off to eat Ramen. then the Akasuki will appear from behind and " gotcha"
The bunshin is realease and Naruto immediately realize the treat he is facing.






yeah that would be so funny if some off the clones went to the ramen shop and then there was just a line of clones out side the ramen shop but you know doesnt this mean naruto never has to do any traning he can just let his clones do the work

maxhrk
July 13, 2006, 10:15 PM
i am sure Naruto realized the potential benefit of Kage bunshin already.. then he dont have to show himself to the enemies afterall.. just hiding behind the tree and let kage bunshin do the works and he can remember them all after bunshins goes poof.

:) That will annoy hell out of enemies anyway. :)

kunai-knight
July 13, 2006, 10:25 PM
I agree man. That prediciton sounds on the ball lol. Great stuff. But i do find it incredibly amazing that Naruto had no idea that his kage bunshins did that to him. He had NO clue whatsoever...and he has done sooo many shadow clones and he never once realized...i mean...what kind of idiot are we dealing wit here??? :O

Crimson
July 13, 2006, 10:45 PM
Konohamaru might just pawn all after all his grandfather is a genius and he is also determine to be hokage.

Kakashi maybe claims he still can make 10(dont remember reading bout that, will reread later) and utalize them to fight with its fullest potential while naruto can easily produce 100 or more clones with full fighting capabilities. I think the Bridge arc clones were just a low powered clone as a decoy.

I still predict some Kage Bunshin will run off to eat Ramen. then the Akasuki will appear from behind and " gotcha"
The bunshin is realease and Naruto immediately realize the treat he is facing.

Remember that Kage Bunshin equally divides the users chakra amongst the user and all created clones. Kakashi was ridiculously worn out from battle at the end of the bridge arc. He didnt have much chakra left anyway, so he figured he might as well join in and attempt to scare off the mercenaries, and thus divided what little he had left of chakra to do so.

Props on the Akatsuki prediction. That would be rather amusing. But methinks theyd be easily recognizable looking the way Hidan and Kakuzu look anyway, so I doubt theyll have the chance to get as deep as the Ramen shop without having 20 something odd Anbu already on their tail (and seeing as how Tsunade already knew they were heading to Konoha too).

miu
July 13, 2006, 11:47 PM
My prediction on the nature of the new jutsu: toad oil + Rasengan + fireball = fuel air explosive :)

Kind of silly, but imagine the power something like that could have.[br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 11:33:29 PM_________________________________________________

It would be cool to see her interact with Naruto again either in a platonic or romantic sense. Even if you wholly believe in Naruto with Sakura, it doesn't mean Hinata still can't have some role in Naruto's life and a part in the story.

I hope so, but Naruto is pretty clueless still to women in general, even his old crush on Sakura isn't really romantic.

villageidiot
July 14, 2006, 12:28 AM
My prediction is that Naruto/bunshins will develop a wind-assisted speed jutsu. And a wind armor jutsu. Perhaps even a wind/air bullet jutsu. Then he will throw them all out the window because he will have discovered how to do a rapid absence of air/wind jutsu at close range or at distance. Yes, yes, I've read through the whole thread and know a few other people have already discussed a vacuum type jutsu, and I am supporting their prediction.

How is Sasuke's fire going to work without air? His electricity? What about uber fast nin? Running fast kinda sucks when you have no air to breath. The coolest thing about wind is that if used correctly it can be used to create a lack of wind (think low pressure and high pressure air systems or tornado's).

Within an enclosed space Naruto could decide who got to breath and who didn't. In the wide open spaces, a complete vacuum or localized vortex around an opponent would do the same. This doesn't even touch on what a mastery of pressure gradients could do for him. Any disturbance in air pressure could be sensed (kinda like a disturbance in the Force) and he could put out 'feelers' over a web like coverage that would exert maximum surveillance capability.

With wind and all its variations, complete and total ownage of nin world would be assured.

DarkManSharingan32
July 14, 2006, 12:48 AM
My prediction is that Naruto/bunshins will develop a wind-assisted speed jutsu. And a wind armor jutsu. Perhaps even a wind/air bullet jutsu. Then he will throw them all out the window because he will have discovered how to do a rapid absence of air/wind jutsu at close range or at distance. Yes, yes, I've read through the whole thread and know a few other people have already discussed a vacuum type jutsu, and I am supporting their prediction.

How is Sasuke's fire going to work without air? His electricity? What about uber fast nin? Running fast kinda sucks when you have no air to breath. The coolest thing about wind is that if used correctly it can be used to create a lack of wind (think low pressure and high pressure air systems or tornado's).

Within an enclosed space Naruto could decide who got to breath and who didn't. In the wide open spaces, a complete vacuum or localized vortex around an opponent would do the same. This doesn't even touch on what a mastery of pressure gradients could do for him. Any disturbance in air pressure could be sensed (kinda like a disturbance in the Force) and he could put out 'feelers' over a web like coverage that would exert maximum surveillance capability.

With wind and all its variations, complete and total ownage of nin world would be assured.


You are forgetting something very essential...
<b>THIS IS NARUTO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE!</b>

There is no way Naruto will think of even half of those ingenious jutsu, especially this early on. After he is finished with this jutsu, it will probably be months before he comes up with the propulsion jutsu... and before that we have the Akatsuki to deal with.

Ishiken
July 14, 2006, 01:06 AM
Heheh Clone training, isn't that how Piccolo trains by splitting himself into multiple clones and fighting himself? Oh wait don't want to continue the DBZ clone comments.

I'm fairly certain it will be an improvement of Rasengan, instead of being just a ball of pure chakra it will be a ball of compressed spinning air hopefully with homing properties so he has a ranged attack.

ferza
July 14, 2006, 01:07 AM
"penance" I bet it is for asuma.there will be a confrontation with akutsuki.sth bad will happen to asuma.


So gonna happen...i think asuma will try to protect the village fighting the akutsuki members! We might get to see the monkey king - ENMA again!!! And maybe maybe enma will talk about the relationship third and asuma had in the past!!! Garra and temari to hlep naruto's training ???? NO WAY!

rocker2
July 14, 2006, 01:13 AM
I hope so, but Naruto is pretty clueless still to women in general, even his old crush on Sakura isn't really romantic.

Well, Naruto doesn't have parents or siblings to ask about women in general. Then again, at least he gets to skip the whole sex ed spiel. Though it would be funny if granny Tsunade ever decided to drag Naruto into her office to tell him the Japanese fable of the "snake and the cave." Seeing on how clueless he usually is, he'd probably take it at face worth without realizing the true meaning :p.

Now back to more serious and on topic matters...



I still predict some Kage Bunshin will run off to eat Ramen. then the Akasuki will appear from behind and " gotcha"
The bunshin is realease and Naruto immediately realize the treat he is facing.

Kudos on the prediction. That would definitely be an awesome way for the Akatsuki to make an entrance in Konoha.



umm naruto is a ninja this isnt dbz ninjas fight together so naruto fighting with the kyuubi wouldnt necessarily seem wrong and naruto said he would do what ever he had to to bring sasuke back whats he goanna tell sakura yeah i could have beat sasuke and broguht him back if i had of gone kyuubi but i didnt now he lost his body to oro oh well too bad
i mean come on theres no way naruto can catch up to sasuke with out the kyuubi and plus your a freak if you dont want to see either naruto go full nine tails or if you dont want to see naruto having matered the kyuubi's chakara completely theres no way hed lose to akatsuki then

You're missing the point of the Kyuubi. Being the Kyuubi's vessel makes Naruto unique, but it doesn't define him as regular person or ninja. The point of the whole story to this point was the fact that Naruto himself was special and that he working to make everyone see him for who he truely was - a kind, fun kid who will always be there for you when you need him. That's the reason he wants to become Hokage - he wants everyone to acknowledge him for his strength and true character and protect village that will finally adopt him as their own. The people in Konoha, prior to the manga storyline and even during quite a bit of the storyline aways saw Naruto and the Kyuubi being one and the same. Naruto changed that perception as he fought as a ninja and showed that he was more than just the Kyuubi. Also notice that not once does Naruto talk about fighting with the Kyuubi - its always lend me your chakra or else. Only once has he said please and that was because he had no other choice as he himself was out of chakra.

The Kyuubi only acts to nullify the Sasuke's additional advantages in the Naruto vs. Sasuke rivalry. Naruto by himself without ever tapping into Kyuubi's chakra is on par with Sasuke, if not better since his goal of bringing Sasuke back to Konoha alive and well is a lot harder than Sasuke's goal of killing others for power and revenge. To step on an ant, but not crush it takes much effort and control. While Sasuke's definitely not an ant in comparison, the phrase does reflect much of what is occurring in the rivalry from Naruto's perspective. Naruto only tapped into the Kyuubi's chakra when Sasuke started using the curse seal. KB1 to cancel out CSv2. Even now with Sasuke looking bad ass and all, Naruto still is on par with him. Even totally exhausted, he took Chidori Nagashi head on, which flattened Sai, and suffered only minimal injuries and was still able to move. When the Kyuubi tried to take hold, Naruto bluntly refused him once and for all. Naruto is super powerful and already exceeds the best jounin in Konoha as a ninja in all but one thing - his knowledge of jutsus. He has mastered the basics and has chakra/strength which is unrivaled by almost all, but has very few jutsus to use them for. This is and has been holding him back for quite some time. Kishi even went as far as to show that Naruto's overutilization of the Kyuubi to deal with this lack of jutsu knowledge and thus still be able to fight stronger opponents was what made him weak and the reason his growth slowed to the point that Sasuke appeared ages more advanced than him. With his capabilities and potential, he can utilize jutsus far beyond the A-rank level. Kakashi is a genious and he realized the weakness quickly. That's why he's having Naruto create an ultimate jutsu. It's long time he did so with the extent of his talents. By filling the gap, Naruto's growth will skyrocket which is the reason why Kakashi states that Naruto might surpass him.

As for theories as to what could happen later down the road, Naruto could send out a squad of his Kage Buushin to search out each of the Akatsuki members and fight them so he gets intel about their fighting strengths and weaknesses. He might even send one to get purposely captured so that the Akatsuki think it is him and try to extract the bijuu from his clone. That way he'll be able to find out how the bijuu is extracted, how the bijuu are sealed and the Akatsuki identities without risk to himself. Then with this knowledge a 4000+ strong clone army of Narutos will hunt down the Akatsuki and use Sexy no jutsu, Taijuu Kage Buushin style to take each of them out (except for the female one). Naruto will then use his ultimate jutsu and team up with nibi, combine their wind and fire jutsu into a super firestorm that will vaporize the female Akatsuki member. Naruto will then honor his fallen enemies by using some wind jutsu to create a breeze into which to send the ashes of his fallen foes as nibi will use her cat breath to bring the rest out of their stupor and vaporize them at the same time. Yeah, far fetched, but couldn't think up a serious one so here's the wild version instead.

CaptainSpazzo
July 14, 2006, 01:35 AM
I predict this will happen:

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/Kazmoronic-ultimatejutsu1.JPG
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/Kazmoronic-ultimatejutsu2.JPG
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/Kazmoronic-ultimatejutsu3.JPG

Mark my words. You heard it here first.

alazim
July 14, 2006, 01:38 AM
if i not mistaken kyubi say that sasuke should not kill naruto know, because he has more potential..dis happen when sasuke 1st time saw kyubi in naruto body... :o

BigCamaro
July 14, 2006, 02:06 AM
^^Lol, good thinking with the fart no jutsu. It blew Kabuto away already.



if i not mistaken kyubi say that sasuke should not kill naruto know, because he has more potential..dis happen when sasuke 1st time saw kyubi in naruto body... :o


Kyuubi threatened Sasuke, saying hed make him regret it if he kills Naruto, or something along those lines.

My prediction...next chapter wont have much Naruto in it. It will probably be the report from the Akatsuki assault getting back to Tsunade and her deciding what to do with it. The preview said "Penance" which is like a religious forgiveness of sins, perhaps Hidan is up to more ceremonies.

As far as Naruto's jutsu I think perhaps he'll develop the ability to fly, as he may need it against an airborne Sasuke. One Jinchuuriki, Gaara can fly on his cloud anyway, as can deidara, and Gai and Kisame could at least seem to float in the air (when Gai opened enough gates). But his true attack will probably be some type of long range wind cannon that can rip a hole in the forest. Then again thatd be like Temari's summon. MMaybe he'll just be able to shoot wind from one hand and form a rasengan from the other to shoot rasengan bullets at people....


Actually since Naruto is a wind type, Yondaime probably was too, and used it in his speed to propel himself forward. Maybe Naruto can rocket himself at people..I dunno but whatever he develops is gonna be good Im sure.

miu
July 14, 2006, 02:07 AM
Naruto is super powerful and already exceeds the best jounin in Konoha as a ninja in all but one thing - his knowledge of jutsus. He has mastered the basics and has chakra/strength which is unrivaled by almost all, but has very few jutsus to use them for. This is and has been holding him back for quite some time.

That brings something interesting up. In developing the new jutsu Naruto cannot help but learn some existing tactics, techniques and jutsu - in some cases maybe even re-inventing them from first principles.

I think that might just be the real meaning of his ability to surpass pretty much everyone. Not only will he have a unique "ultimate jutsu", but use known jutsu in ways that no one has ever seen.

As far as character development coming out of this: there have actually been a few times where I thought Naruto was intentionally playing up his dumbness and willingness to be tricked into doing something stupid by his emotions. I don't know that deceitfulness is part of his nature, but prankishness is. Imagine how much of an advantage he could get in being a step ahead of the enemy by letting them think he is just rushing in as usual.

Just a thought expanding on that - even without the kyubi Naruto is very foxlike, I could see making him a real trickster figure very in-keeping with the source material and his character.

However it works out I'm definitely looking forward to it. :)

Zero1986
July 14, 2006, 02:31 AM
lol odeon, kyubii has unlimited str and chakra. BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD READ THE CHAPTER AGAIN! It is said clearly if you actually pay attention that kakashi pointed out that naruto is 100 times stronger than kakashi without the interference of his seal.


SECONDly.. by having a rasengan wind justsu.. its makes a new jutsu.. to some of you who said.

Its like a potion, when you add one little ingredient to one potion > it makes a new potion. simple as that. lol




The way I read it was Naruto on his own has at least twice the chakra that Kakashi does. Then Kakashi goes on to say that with the help of Kyuubi (Namely, using Kyuubi's chakra) Naruto's chakra capacity is 100 times that of Kakashi. It doesn't say Naruto by himself is 100 times stronger than Kakashi. You need to re-read the chapter or get a better translation.[br]Posted on: July 14, 2006, 02:23:07 AM_________________________________________________I think someone said it earlier but I think it would be cool if Naruto's new Jutsu wasn't an attacking jutsu, but rather a support jutsu. I mean we all know that Naruto goes for quality of quantity and is able to use a select few jutsus in a plethora of different ways and in different situations. So Naruto already has a high-powered attacking jutsu in the Rasengan and then again in the upgraded Oodama Rasenga. It doesn't make sense for Naruto to keep gaining attack after attack making each one power level higher than the last. Something that would be right up Naruto's alley is to give him a support jutsu that works in a way that allows him to combine it with the rest of his Jutsus. I was personally thinking of a wind jutsu that works on increasing Naruto's speed. I mean, imagine a light-speed rasengan or a hundred Kage-bunshins being able to run so fast they can create a tornado. It just seems like the kind of Jutsu that Naruto would really advance with. It doesn't necessarily have to be a speed boost jutstu (Although all of the "Yondaime is Naruto's dad/Reincarnation" believers would love the parallels between Yondaime and Naruto. The second Yellow Flash.)

QMark
July 14, 2006, 02:44 AM
Well I can definitely see where this is going. Kishi is beating us too death with the whole "Naruto is Clueless" routine. I mean, we get it. Its obvious that even with 1000 clones Naruto will still struggle to make a jutsu because of his lack of mind. This story is always seeming inconsistent to me lately. Naruto as of now, just matched Sasuke's sharingan (in a sense) if you think about it. His ability to create 1000 clones is ridiculous since each invidual 1 can master its own jutsu and then Naruto can just learn each clones jutsu which was mastered. Way overpowered...unless there was a drawback. Then again Yamato is there for reassurance that nothing happens. Man do I sound like a Naruto basher right now, lol.

Anyway, my prediction? Naruto will spend the whole chapter thinking of a jutsu, Akatsuki will arrive at the borders close to the end. Then a frameshot of Anbu surrounding them at the gates ending with a closeup of Tsunade.

ibra87
July 14, 2006, 03:18 AM
Well I can definitely see where this is going. Kishi is beating us too death with the whole "Naruto is Clueless" routine. I mean, we get it. Its obvious that even with 1000 clones Naruto will still struggle to make a jutsu because of his lack of mind. This story is always seeming inconsistent to me lately. Naruto as of now, just matched Sasuke's sharingan (in a sense) if you think about it. His ability to create 1000 clones is ridiculous since each invidual 1 can master its own jutsu and then Naruto can just learn each clones jutsu which was mastered. Way overpowered...unless there was a drawback. Then again Yamato is there for reassurance that nothing happens. Man do I sound like a Naruto basher right now, lol.

Anyway, my prediction? Naruto will spend the whole chapter thinking of a jutsu, Akatsuki will arrive at the borders close to the end. Then a frameshot of Anbu surrounding them at the gates ending with a closeup of Tsunade.

He's trying to create just one jutsu

cyclone_inox
July 14, 2006, 03:34 AM
My prediction: next chapter is gonna be boring,

1. Naruto will get a lecture of how to use "basic" Wind type jutsus from both Kakashi and Yamato since they have enough experiences through encountering them sometimes b4,(it is likely that this won't be shown or just shown a little, just like the one when Naruto learnt the Rasengan)

2. Boring reports/conversations relating to Atkasuki stuffs

3.Asuma might run into those 2 Atkasuki members

toin7
July 14, 2006, 03:40 AM
Ok, a few points then my prediction
1) Rasengan is NOT a wind jutsu. It was stated a chapter or 2 ago that rasengan does not modify the nature of chakra, so it doesn't have a type.
2) Sasuke is most likely lightning type as Kakashi said earlier that Sasuke was the same type as him
3) Yamato is there to surpress Kyuubi which leads to the conclusion that much of Naruto's chakra is normally what is surpressing kyuubi. This explains why Jiriaya has Naruto empty his natural chakra supply to draw on Kyuubi's chakra. No more chakra means no chakra surpressing kyuubi.
4) Kishi seems to be phasing out kyuubi. Naruto already vowed never to use kyuubi again, instead he will use only his own natural chakra. Another piece of evidence supporting this is Sasuke's ability to surpress kyuubi's chakra, so kyuubi can't help naruto against Sasuke later on even if Naruto wanted that to happen.

Ok now my prediction:
Kakashi knows over 1000 jutsus as he is the famous copy ninja. I would assume that means he knows at least a few wind jutsus. I would assume that Kakashi will first teach the basics of wind jutsus and/or changing the nature of chakra just like the treewalking and the waterwalking exercises. This would follow the same path as most of the other times Naruto has trained. After the basics are taught, as per Naruto style, the 1000 or so clones would be able to experiment developing this new jutsu. Trial and error seems to be the way naruto learns best, and having a thousand clones doesn't hurt speed up this as more trials can be done at a time. I wonder why Jiriaya never thought of this style of training before though. He is a legendary sannin after all. Also, I think the broken chakra crystal might come into play. No one is sure what the function of that is though. I personally believe that it helps Yamato do this kyuubi surpressing thing, but is not neccessary. That ends my little rant.

renrutal
July 14, 2006, 04:21 AM
Gezz people, just because he has normally 2 times the chakra reserves of Kakashi, it doesn't make him any more stronger, faster, wiser or better than the ero-jounin.

He may have more fuel to burn, but Naruto isn't even half as efficient in burning that fuel as Kakashi.

Yes, Naruto can blow Kakashi away with an almighty f-5 hurricane that uses 50% of his chakra, but Kakashi can still beat him with less than 10% of his power. This isn't DBZ.

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BTW, having 1000 clones doesn't necessarily mean he'll learn 1000 faster. If they all try the very same move, they might all very well end with the same result. This means he learned the same thing 1000 times, when 1 is enough already. 1000 clones just give you more possibilities, but it's all down to how many different things Naruto can do at the same time.

jester065
July 14, 2006, 05:52 AM
yeah i want Hinata to be watching from the trees and get catch when naruto makes 1000 of himself but anyway... :spaz

As for Jiriaya and the trainning well i'll just say it...He is the man!!! when comes to teaching people like naruto... look at the fourth... just think about isn't the sign of a good or great teacher when someone can teach you to suppass them (Jiriaya did get passed up by the fourth and now the same could happen with kakashi and naruto)... i know it sucks after 2.5 year of trainning we haven't seen much :s and still not sure what that jutsu is. I think soon enough we will see naruto shine and see the fruits of the 2.5 years of trainning :p


I think alot of people are missing the point that having a 1000 clones can lead to having a good amount of different jutsus and thats even with all the failures i think we will see next chapter... i mean come on what are the chances that all the naruto clones are going to try step one the same. I think the chances are good maybe a few but even then... say 200 try it the same way as another clone but that still leave 800... and doing the first step differently could lead to different jutsus all together and this would fix the problem and lack of jutsu he has. As for his chakra he said atleast so it could be more but up to 100 times and like toin7 said Yamato is just there to suppress or control kyuubi while trainning... so naruto can use almost all his chakra that would normally be suppressing kyuubi

@Toin7 good post... hell good first post

ok next chapter i believe we will see a little trainning not to much...mmmmm more asuma and tsunade maybe act now but i don't think so i think its a few chapters away and hopefully an update on the others and a little more Akatsuke....

sorry if doesn't make sense in some parts... didn't get much sleep tonite lol.... O0

UzumakiRoman
July 14, 2006, 07:54 AM
i've been hearing alot about teaching Naruto whatever jutsu Kakashi might know but the point was for Naruto
to come up with his own..
so with that said, Kakashi said lets begin the "wind nature manipulation" training which i think means
he's not going to show him a jutsu exactly but show him possible seal sequences, and show him how to make
his chakra create wind.
he's giving him the tools to build his own techniques so he can create his own jutsu and we've seen that Naruto has some talent in that area!

kunai-knight
July 14, 2006, 08:35 AM
i've been hearing alot about teaching Naruto whatever jutsu Kakashi might know but the point was for Naruto
to come up with his own..
so with that said, Kakashi said lets begin the "wind nature manipulation" training which i think means
he's not going to show him a jutsu exactly but show him possible seal sequences, and show him how to make
his chakra create wind.
he's giving him the tools to build his own techniques so he can create his own jutsu and we've seen that Naruto has some talent in that area!


really, but we also have to keep in mind what is the core reason for Naruto learning/making this new jutsu. Yes i know making and learning are two separate things but i really dont know which is it he is doing.

Support for Making A New Jutsu Are
1. For naruto to just have a jutsu to call his own. Something he did, something he'd be known for. I mean, just as he's well known for his shadow clone, its be the same with this new jutsu


Support for Learning A New Jutsu

1. Jus t the way kakashi keeps refering to the jutsu as if he actually knows what the jutsu is supposed to be. "jutsu that is better than rasengan" Kakashi said that the jutsu that is supposed to be stronger than rasengan needs to have physical recomposition. Now i'm thinking that just because a jutsu has an element to it doesnt necessarily make it better that a jutsu without element. (you can take the damaging effects of the rasengan compared to the chidori for example) in other words..this jutsu cud end up being pretty shitty even though it has been physically recomposed to an element type.

villageidiot
July 14, 2006, 08:37 AM
This idea of Kishi phasing out Kyuubi, I'd have to say I disagree. I prefer to believe that this is just an interlude before Kyuubi rears its ugly head again. In the end I think Kyuubi is going to have a grudging respect for Naruto and the chakra exchange/merge will be on a more equal footing. We haven't even seen what a fully powered (meaning Naruro/Kyuubi partnership) Naruto can do, so phasing out Kyuubi seems a bit nonsensical, but an eventual meeting of equals, or at least near equals seems probable; something that I think will be required for Naruto to ultimately prevail over all of his foes.

The basis for my assertion? At the Valley of the End one of the things that became abundantly clear was that Naruto with his ability to improvise, be passionate about life and have a truly noble goal that he had set for himself, had surpassed a Sasuke that although he had very pedantically acquired/achieved a myriad of jutsu's, lacked the same kind of passion and same sort of noble goal and thus had resorted to short-cuts* to level the playing field.

I was actually quite pissed to see that after the time jump Naruto had fallen into the same trap by resorting to using the Kyuubi. I felt that Kishi had established the underlying theme/moral that there were no short-cuts to achieving real power, but had now contradicted himself. Thankfully it appears that this was just a ploy. Now we are going to see the re-introduction of the trickster Naruto, the improvisational Naruto, the hard working and noble Naruto, and in the end he will again surpass Sasuke, so that when next they meet Sasuke will once again learn that only through hard work and friendship can you make yourself powerful, not through short-cuts and hate.

*I don't believe Naruto's use of bunshins is the same kind of short-cut that Sasuke employs. Naruto stays within himself to achieve his goals while Sasuke seeks external methods to amplify his power/strength. But isn't the re-integration of Kyuubi a kind of short-cut you say? Again, I believe the two will meet on an equal footing later on and it will be because Naruto has 'won' Kyuubi over by virtue of his hard work and perseverance.

miu
July 14, 2006, 09:01 AM
Now we are going to see the re-introduction of the trickster Naruto, the improvisational Naruto, the hard working and noble Naruto, and in the end he will again surpass Sasuke, so that when next they meet Sasuke will once again learn that only through hard work and friendship can you make yourself powerful, not through short-cuts and hate.

Right on. That is the key to Naruto's character all right. And I really hope you are right that they are going to bring those attributes of his to the forefront again, especially the trickster part as far as his combat tactics go.

I disagree with you about the partnership with the Kyubi though. The demon spirits have always been agents of death, destruction, and chaos - a creature that embodies those attributes can't be anything but an enemy to Naruto. To use that power would be to say that that tainted power is worth having and using, and would say that the use of Jinchuriki was in any way justified.

bloodrage
July 14, 2006, 09:06 AM
I don't think using the kyubi is bad on naruto's part if it were me id use it heck i bet any of you would just the fact that he cant control it when it gets to a certain level is the only down factor to me shorten lifespan thing that is a joke he is a ninja i don think many ninja expect to live to 80 years

and i can see these 1000 clones being a very big help while kakashi is talking to him he cud have clones reading books on wind jutsu aonther set working doing something he has limitless possibilities now and it is not the fact that one jutsu will make him stronger than a ms kakashi it is workign towards that jutsu it will make him stronger in everyway that is probably wut kakshi was talking about when he said that

kycoo
July 14, 2006, 09:36 AM
I've been seeing posts that Sasuke is using short-cuts to gain more power. I think they said that too in the chapter that that's what kakshi thinks. but isnt it possible that sasuke just gained more power(without any restrictions) than naruto(restriction on the kn4 and the forbidden jutsu by jiraiya) in the 2.5 yrs.

now that i think about it, orochimaru also had chakra lvl close to what naruto is having now, couldn't he have used kage bunshin(sasuke too) to come up with new jutsu. i wonder why kishi didnt employ this idea in orochi's perspective.

also, ppl are saying that gaara is a san-user from the wind country. but he just lost shukkaku. i doubt that he has enough chakra capacity on his own to maintain and use the high level jutsu he has been using till now.he's not so strong anymore. even if yamato were to suppress only kyuubi's power, i think kakshi, naruto and yamato have to devise a new way to keep sasuke out of naruto's body. this is so that sasuke doesnt come in and either completely release the kyuubi and then suppress him(or kill him) OR completely suppress naruto directly. dont know whether he can do that. it just a possibility if he can suppress kyuubi like yamato, why not naruto himself?


i am taking the following from the hokages' battle before sandaime's death:
also, considering the 1st hokage used the jincurikkii suppression and birth of trees techniques that only he can use[1st i think had earth], 2nd had water element, 3rd had earth & fire. 4th we dont know yet. i think naruto having wind element fits in perfectly as a possible candidate for the hokage title. but still gotta make sure that sasuke cant copy any of the wind jutsu's seals.

phatspy
July 14, 2006, 09:48 AM
yea i agree seriously y would kyubi b in his b ad side but also we don't know how any of the other jinchurikis relationship with their host but naruto wil just make a really cool new jutsu and very far in the future he'll hav 2 choose between hinata and sakura wish it wld happen sooner though

Ruth
July 14, 2006, 10:08 AM
Within an enclosed space Naruto could decide who got to breath and who didn't. In the wide open spaces, a complete vacuum or localized vortex around an opponent would do the same. This doesn't even touch on what a mastery of pressure gradients could do for him. Any disturbance in air pressure could be sensed (kinda like a disturbance in the Force) and he could put out 'feelers' over a web like coverage that would exert maximum surveillance capability.

if he could control wind and use it as a weapon, the air in his enemies lung would be sufficient enuf ... lung burst, suffocation, intoxication. but then again, a ninja could use thier chakura to sustain themselves. so basically, the enemy could run out of the affected area. (if theyre smart enuf and still have thier feet) :noworry



Naruto as of now, just matched Sasuke's sharingan (in a sense) if you think about it. His ability to create 1000 clones is ridiculous since each invidual 1 can master its own jutsu and then Naruto can just learn each clones jutsu which was mastered. Way overpowered...unless there was a drawback. Then again Yamato is there for reassurance that nothing happens. Man do I sound like a Naruto basher right now, lol.

its a custom when naruto gets the upper hand that sasukefans get irritated. ure not the first. :amuse

fist of all if u put naruto and sasuke with both having learned 100 different jutsu each. in an event they fought. sasuke copies 100 jutsu of naruto. now theres a difference where sasuke has 200 different jutsu while naruto remains with 100. where is the "way overpower"? :noworry

my perdiction.

the first thing that came to my mind. kamikaze or divine wind. a cool name dont yah think? ... "kamikaze no jutsu" :amuse (WoOooo)
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surprisingly i dont have anything else to say ... crap.

bloodrage
July 14, 2006, 11:05 AM
isn't kamikaze like a suicide move?? like wut vegeta did against majin buu or the terroist do in iraq ????

anyways saskue knowing one million jutsu doesent mean he is stronger than naruto who knows 5 it is how you use your jutsu and the effect have jiryiah said naruto has a large chakra supply and alot of stamina so he doesent need to train like other ninjas he shud focus on moves that uses large chakra and stamina hence summoning that jiryiah taught him kagebushin rasengan you might not feel it takes alot of chakra but it's a ball of chakra it has to use alot so i figure that is why no one else will be able to do the jutsu that naruto invents cause it will take a large amount of chakra to use

kunai-knight
July 14, 2006, 11:21 AM
Within an enclosed space Naruto could decide who got to breath and who didn't. In the wide open spaces, a complete vacuum or localized vortex around an opponent would do the same. This doesn't even touch on what a mastery of pressure gradients could do for him. Any disturbance in air pressure could be sensed (kinda like a disturbance in the Force) and he could put out 'feelers' over a web like coverage that would exert maximum surveillance capability.





if he could control wind and use it as a weapon, the air in his enemies lung would be sufficient enuf ... lung burst, suffocation, intoxication. but then again, a ninja could use thier chakura to sustain themselves. so basically, the enemy could run out of the affected area. (if theyre smart enuf and still have thier feet) :noworry



Again i make the point that Naruto is learning/creating a jutsu...so its not going to be like how has gaara control over the sand or haku's ability to control water...those are special abilities/kekke genkai. So its not going to be like naruto sayin 'oh wind/air, come blow around my feet and let my float above sasuke' or whatever. i think the extent of naruto's wind element jutsu (if its even goin to be a wind element) is seriously being thrown way overboard now. Its just a jutsu. I think thats the core reason why you never see sasuke doing Grand fire ball release, then stopping the fireball in mid-air and letting it split up and follow his target. Sasuke doesnt have the ability to control fire just because he's a fire type. Neither can naruto control wind like that.

miu
July 14, 2006, 11:35 AM
isn't kamikaze like a suicide move?

Naw, it is "divine wind" - refering to the storms that prevented the Mongol rampage across pretty much the rest of Asia from reaching Japan.

I'd say a kamikaze style attack would probably be a wide effect long range offensive/defensive move like Temari's super fan slash.

Ruth
July 14, 2006, 12:13 PM
.bloodrage
u should learn to use "full-stop"s. dude, seriously ... u confuse me man! :blink
i lost interest in reading other posts after reading urs :amuse

kamikaze is just a name. it doesnt necessarily mean suicide attack.

rasengan doesnt require alot of chakura as u put it. its the process in which naruto learned it that does. how much chakura do u think can fit in a palm?

its already been said by kakashi. by using 1000 kagebunshin, naruto already stretched his chakura to its limit. if the jutsu he's making requires a huge amount of chakura, it would undoubtly stretch it even further beyond what naruto is capable of without kyubis assistance.



Again i make the point that Naruto is learning/creating a jutsu...so its not going to be like how has gaara control over the sand or haku's ability to control water...those are special abilities/kekke genkai. So its not going to be like naruto sayin 'oh wind/air, come blow around my feet and let my float above sasuke' or whatever. i think the extent of naruto's wind element jutsu (if its even goin to be a wind element) is seriously being thrown way overboard now. Its just a jutsu. I think thats the core reason why you never see sasuke doing Grand fire ball release, then stopping the fireball in mid-air and letting it split up and follow his target. Sasuke doesnt have the ability to control fire just because he's a fire type. Neither can naruto control wind like that.

quite amusing. i wasnt serious when i posted that yet here i see a reply. :amuse
special ability. be specific. i dont quite understand what ur saying.
but anyway, gaara manipulates his sand with his chakura.

btw,
thank u miu-san. :)

passworder
July 14, 2006, 12:20 PM
Forget the wind jutsu and how much chakra Naruto may have. Imagine how much better he can get with his kage bunshins alone. If he train in a year with 1000 kage bunshins, he will get training equal to 390 years, that's more years than probably any character will ever live.

Theoretically he can get atleast get 50 times stronger than any character in any area. He can split up the training in many parts, reading, taijutsu, general ninjutsu skills and his wind jutsu that is supposed to take 20 years which he will complete in a week. In other words he can master any S-class jutsu in just a matter of days. If Orochimaru would ever hear this he would probably regret leaving akatsuki and regret going after the sharingan in the first place.

Lastly, this trick is cheaper than ms or any other jutsu, the manga is only getting better and better :)
But i'm sure they will only use this once for this jutsu.

cerventus
July 14, 2006, 12:24 PM
Wind bullets. LEts hope Naruto have something long range in his arsenal.

kunai-knight
July 14, 2006, 12:36 PM
quite amusing. i wasnt serious when i posted that yet here i see a reply. :amuse
special ability. be specific. i dont quite understand what ur saying.
but anyway, gaara manipulates his sand with his chakura.



hey u brought back up the topic :darn would u have prefered a simple lol comment? cuz i ccan edit it u kno :p

mmm special ability sorta like how shadowcat can walkthrough walls? something like that anyway.

but anyway, gaara manipulates his sand with his chakura.

manipulate the sand with chakra yes, when he's using jutsus. But thats not entirely the same as controlling the sand, to which i believe is his special ability. (which came about apparently from having the shukaku in him for soo long)

villageidiot
July 14, 2006, 12:39 PM
Again i make the point that Naruto is learning/creating a jutsu...so its not going to be like how has gaara control over the sand or haku's ability to control water...those are special abilities/kekke genkai. So its not going to be like naruto sayin 'oh wind/air, come blow around my feet and let my float above sasuke' or whatever. i think the extent of naruto's wind element jutsu (if its even goin to be a wind element) is seriously being thrown way overboard now. Its just a jutsu. I think thats the core reason why you never see sasuke doing Grand fire ball release, then stopping the fireball in mid-air and letting it split up and follow his target. Sasuke doesnt have the ability to control fire just because he's a fire type. Neither can naruto control wind like that.




dArK SaSuKe by quoting both ruth and I together you take what I said out of context. I realize Naruto is creating a jutsu. So is what you're saying that Naruto couldn't employ his chakra to form a localized vortex? Because it appears that the rasengen is pretty much a chaotic version of this. Such vortexes, like tornadoes, are known for sucking all the breathable air out of a space/region in real world terms, so why couldn't he have a jutsu that did the same? Finer control for doing some of the other things I had mentioned would come later, but it would still be chakra manipulation, not control over the wind.

cerventus
July 14, 2006, 12:41 PM
one more thing to add. According to mythology. the Kyubi is a fire element creature. Maybe we will see a fusion of fire techniques. Oxygenated Kuton No Justu.

Feng Shui no justsu is also a possibility. FEng as in wind and shui as in water.

kunai-knight
July 14, 2006, 12:56 PM
dArK SaSuKe by quoting both ruth and I together you take what I said out of context. I realize Naruto is creating a jutsu. So is what you're saying that Naruto couldn't employ his chakra to form a localized vortex? Because it appears that the rasengen is pretty much a chaotic version of this. Such vortexes, like tornadoes, are known for sucking all the breathable air out of a space/region in real world terms, so why couldn't he have a jutsu that did the same? Finer control for doing some of the other things I had mentioned would come later, but it would still be chakra manipulation, not control over the wind.


No no me good lad. You misunderstood what i was trying to say. I'm not saying that naruto wont be able to do some "controlled" wind jutsu or anything like that, such as a wind barrier or even blowing a huge gust of wind out of mouth (like how kisame blows water out his mouth). What i'm saying is there'd be some sort of limit to the control naruto would have over the wind itself while performing the jutsu. And i thought that to some extent, some of your suggestions were kinda going over that limit. Thats all

(example)
So is what you're saying that Naruto couldn't employ his chakra to form a localized vortex? Because it appears that the rasengen is pretty much a chaotic version of this. Such vortexes, like tornadoes, are known for sucking all the breathable air out of a space/region in real world terms, so why couldn't he have a jutsu that did the same?

Now i think its possible for naruto to pull of some sort of cyclone wind jutsu, and to some extent i can see it being exploited to suck all the air out of an enclosed area (and that would include naruto's breathable air too). But out in the open, such a jutsu would probably be like a test, a warm up or a distraction to the enemy. Not like that has any bearing on what we are discussing at all..i'm just typing my thoughts as they come to me lol :tem

donkeyhigh
July 14, 2006, 12:57 PM
umm naruto is a ninja this isnt dbz ninjas fight together so naruto fighting with the kyuubi wouldnt necessarily seem wrong and naruto said he would do what ever he had to to bring sasuke back whats he goanna tell sakura yeah i could have beat sasuke and broguht him back if i had of gone kyuubi but i didnt now he lost his body to oro oh well too bad
i mean come on theres no way naruto can catch up to sasuke with out the kyuubi and plus your a freak if you dont want to see either naruto go full nine tails or if you dont want to see naruto having matered the kyuubi's chakara completely theres no way hed lose to akatsuki then [br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 09:13:43 PM_________________________________________________sorry this last post got screwed up some how the person i was qouting was pjoto


First off, I want to clearly, and proudly, state that I have NEVER seen any episodes of DBZ! YES!

Secoundly, I guess I'm a freak then. Seriously, I'm tired of watching Naruto getting pissed, then going on a rampage, just throwing his hands everywhere, and a few moments later the whole fighting-ground is destroyed and the fight is over. I want to see a tactical fight, with equal strenghted jutsus.
That would actually mean he'd have to think in order to win.

His new jutsu will not have anything to do with Rasengan, Kyubii or Kage Bunshin, it's supossed to be his own jutsu.
He's just using Kyubii to enhance his training capabilities. Rasengan is not Naruto's jutsu, neither is Kage Bunshin. This is why I don't think they will have anything to do with his new jutsu. Pluss, it's supossed to have something to do with wind.

And yes, I know Jiraya compared Rasengan with a swirling typhoon (that would be.. windy.. :p ), but still, it's _NOT_ Naruto's jutsu :)
Unless he makes Rasengan cover his whole body, like Neji's defence :p

kunai-knight
July 14, 2006, 01:09 PM
And yes, I know Jiraya compared Rasengan with a swirling typhoon (that would be.. windy.. :p ), but still, it's _NOT_ Naruto's jutsu :)
Unless he makes Rasengan cover his whole body, like Neji's defence :p


Or watery....why does no one notice that there are water cyclones with exactly the same shape as the wind ones!!! Plus charmander could do fire spin... :darn

CheckMate
July 14, 2006, 01:20 PM
His new jutsu will not have anything to do with Rasengan, Kyubii or Kage Bunshin, it's supossed to be his own jutsu.
He's just using Kyubii to enhance his training capabilities. Rasengan is not Naruto's jutsu, neither is Kage Bunshin. This is why I don't think they will have anything to do with his new jutsu. Pluss, it's supossed to have something to do with wind.

And yes, I know Jiraya compared Rasengan with a swirling typhoon (that would be.. windy.. :p ), but still, it's _NOT_ Naruto's jutsu :)
Unless he makes Rasengan cover his whole body, like Neji's defence :p


I am not very sure naruto will be able to create his own jutsus.
I mean looks al the ultimate jutsus.. they were all created by the tensai.. and tell the truth, naruto is a bit too slow.

Given the short time in this training this time, and the fact that kakashi will always by his side, i would say naruto's new ultimate jutsu would be pretty much infected by kakashi's knowledge and experience.

and who knows, we'll see another version of hiraishin no jutsu :p

ogreslayer
July 14, 2006, 01:52 PM
I am not very sure naruto will be able to create his own jutsus.
I mean looks al the ultimate jutsus.. they were all created by the tensai.. and tell the truth, naruto is a bit too slow.

Given the short time in this training this time, and the fact that kakashi will always by his side, i would say naruto's new ultimate jutsu would be pretty much infected by kakashi's knowledge and experience.

and who knows, we'll see another version of hiraishin no jutsu :p


Naruto is slow, but I think that is more of a lack of knowledge than a lack of intellegence. This new trick opens up a new path, not for the rest of this part but for part 3. Having the ability to train like this will put Naruto in a much higher category of ninja very quickly.

My prediction is we see the Akatsuki again... or if Kishi wants to make me happy (which I highly doubt) a little bit of Naruto,Kakashi,and Yamato dialogue; some stuff with the other characters , and ends with the Akatsuki walking toward the main entrance of Konoha

sktan17
July 14, 2006, 01:56 PM
Great chapter! The chakra card leads up to better insight into the characters' world. I like all the already mentioned prediction of Naruto's new jutsu :amuse; I, myself, has no idea what it's gonna be. However, whatever the jutsu will be, the effect will be at a cataclysmic portion. I mean, Kakashi, himself, has stated that the jutsu would render Naruto to surpass him and Kakashi's conjure of Suiryuudan no Jutsu can already flood a forest. Hence, Naruto's new jutsu's destructive power must be immense. Moreoever, the kid's level has to be on par, if not stronger, to go against the Akatsuki and Sasuke.

HisshouBuraiKen
July 14, 2006, 02:10 PM
I predict that I will spend the week lamenting the fact that if I had 1000 kage bunshins, I could learn every kanji there is in about 15 minutes.

TheGreenFlash
July 14, 2006, 02:40 PM
I predict that if naruto uses this type of training from now on he will have to skills of a 5,000 year old :D

FLFC
July 14, 2006, 02:46 PM
I think that whoever watchs Avatar The Last Airbender can get good ideas of what could be Narutos next jutso. It kinda gave me some interesting thoghts of what people could do with the power to manipulate wind. I think that Narutos next jutsu could be something like shooting rasengan, i mean instead of rasengan being normal chakra compressed it wold be wind compressed but Naruto would control more of its shape without loosing its power. He would make a windwall at a time for defense and attack with shooting high pressurized wind/rasengan-like balls or spikes. hehehehe. What do u guys think? Did anyone already had this same idea for jutsu? Ahh and can anyone explain to me what was that about a Yondaime jutsu, i don´t know any, where did u guys get that?

VeNoM87
July 14, 2006, 03:00 PM
Again i make the point that Naruto is learning/creating a jutsu...so its not going to be like how has gaara control over the sand or haku's ability to control water...those are special abilities/kekke genkai. So its not going to be like naruto sayin 'oh wind/air, come blow around my feet and let my float above sasuke' or whatever. i think the extent of naruto's wind element jutsu (if its even goin to be a wind element) is seriously being thrown way overboard now. Its just a jutsu. I think thats the core reason why you never see sasuke doing Grand fire ball release, then stopping the fireball in mid-air and letting it split up and follow his target. Sasuke doesnt have the ability to control fire just because he's a fire type. Neither can naruto control wind like that.




Hmmz i only read a small part of your post, sorry don't have that much time.... But with wind you can do anything. If one gets to control it that well, then anything is possible. Sand being carried by wind (which won't be impossible if Naruto can use the Kyuubi Power). Same goes for like anything tbh... lots of possibilities with wind. Wind is not like sand of water, it's like nothing but everything at the same time.

body flicker
July 14, 2006, 03:01 PM
I think that whoever watchs Avatar The Last Airbender can get good ideas of what could be Narutos next jutso. It kinda gave me some interesting thoghts of what people could do with the power to manipulate wind. I think that Narutos next jutsu could be something like shooting rasengan, i mean instead of rasengan being normal chakra compressed it wold be wind compressed but Naruto would control more of its shape without loosing its power. He would make a windwall at a time for defense and attack with shooting high pressurized wind/rasengan-like balls or spikes. hehehehe. What do u guys think? Did anyone already had this same idea for jutsu? Ahh and can anyone explain to me what was that about a Yondaime jutsu, i don´t know any, where did u guys get that?
yes that is what i started to do serch for avatar good one but the idea of him throwing the rasengan i do not like mostly because the rasengan has already ben altered to be stronger(oden rasengan) but i like the avatar idea

FLFC
July 14, 2006, 03:04 PM
Another thought, rasengan is a high lvl jutsu that not anyone can just learn and use, Naruto could learn it because of his stamina for the training and his determination, but when he learned the jutsu he learned to control chakra in a way many couldn´t so thats his merit. I made that point just to say that i think Naruto now is great manipulating his chakra even if he doesn´t noticed it, so for him to turn his chakra into wind and then making it all come out he could even "fly", if you use the walk on water theory a change the chakra to wind, it would improve his speed to high levels. And it would be a thing only Naruto can do because he´s the only one with enough chakra to spare. And another thing all of his blows would be powered up by this wind/chakra manipulation.

body flicker
July 14, 2006, 03:07 PM
i think naruto can allready fly when using kyubi

did it at the valley of the end fight

FLFC
July 14, 2006, 03:07 PM
I don´t rembember this oodama rasengan, i think i forgot... where is it in the manga? and what about the Yondaime jutsu? i still don´t know where people saw that... Could anyone tell me?

body flicker
July 14, 2006, 03:08 PM
go on youtube and type in yondaimes name and then look for the 14second clip there it is

oden rasengan was chapter 254 i think

VeNoM87
July 14, 2006, 03:09 PM
Another thought, rasengan is a high lvl jutsu that not anyone can just learn and use, Naruto could learn it because of his stamina for the training and his determination, but when he learned the jutsu he learned to control chakra in a way many couldn´t so thats his merit. I made that point just to say that i think Naruto now is great manipulating his chakra even if he doesn´t noticed it, so for him to turn his chakra into wind and then making it all come out he could even "fly", if you use the walk on water theory a change the chakra to wind, it would improve his speed to high levels. And it would be a thing only Naruto can do because he´s the only one with enough chakra to spare. And another thing all of his blows would be powered up by this wind/chakra manipulation.


couldn't agree with you more m8

villageidiot
July 14, 2006, 03:36 PM
For all y'all who think Naruto isn't smart, you're playing yourself. He couldn't be the kind of trickster he is without a modicum of intelligence. If anything he's highly unmotivated, but when he is motivated watch out! He has proven time and again that he can be strategic, if pushed to the limit. I believe that is what grates on some people, the fact that Kishi has him going beast, Kyuubi-style, so much or being so childish instead of using that sharp mind of his, but I guess the immaturity is supposed to show that he is still innocent (for lack of a better word) and good natured/benevolent.

TheGreenFlash
July 14, 2006, 04:45 PM
For all y'all who think Naruto isn't smart, you're playing yourself. He couldn't be the kind of trickster he is without a modicum of intelligence. If anything he's highly unmotivated, but when he is motivated watch out! He has proven time and again that he can be strategic, if pushed to the limit. I believe that is what grates on some people, the fact that Kishi has him going beast, Kyuubi-style, so much or being so childish instead of using that sharp mind of his, but I guess the immaturity is supposed to show that he is still innocent (for lack of a better word) and good natured/benevolent.


This comming from the villageidiot....
JK :D

Naruto is smart but more in a physical way he can learn fast through his body like kakashi said in chapter 314

neomaster121
July 14, 2006, 06:26 PM
yeah naruto is a quick learner once he knows what hes doing

penguinsgoboom
July 14, 2006, 09:34 PM
-jutsu probably wont need hand signs or incantations cuz sasuke would just copy it and since the sharingan can copy jutsus that the users never seen or mastered before thats a possibility, and i dont recall reading that only naruto can use the jutsu, i only read that naruto is the only one capable of using the method that masters the jutsu, not the jutsu itself
-the jutsu would probably be invisible since you cant really see air anyways and not being able to see the jutsu would be a big advantage for naruto
-it probably wont be a projectile since naruto cant even control chakra close to his body that well let alone controlling it from a distance, and if the chakra just flies in a straight line like the fire jutsus that the uchiha clan uses, then it would be easy for sasuke to dodge anyways cause we all know naruto isnt smart enough to disguise his attack, and with sasukes speed even surprising him wont work
-last time naruto met sasuke, sasukes speed was too fast for naruto even to see, so i suppose his ultimate jutsu would have to either make sasuke slower, or immobilize him or make naruto faster so naruto can have a chance to attack since naruto cant just get faster because kage bunshins only transfer knowledge, not physical attributes
-unless kakashi thought up different jutsus for different elemental affinities, its probably just going to be whatever jutsu kakashi thought of given a wind form meaning it has to be a jutsu that can be altered to fit each element
-probably going to be a defensive jutsu because kakashi knows that sasuke is arrogant and aggresive, so most likely sasuke wouldnt play defense, and since naruto already has the rasengan on offense he needs to work on getting in position to use it, which can only be accomplished by stopping the sasuke onslaught
-i have a hunch, or some sort of gut feeling that kakashi and yamato are going to do something to the kyuubi chakra, not only suppressing it or stuff like that, but something we've never seen before, cause it was mentioned that the seal that the 4th put on naruto was weakening, and kakashi probably would know about the sharingan being able to access the kyuubi so yamato and him are probably going to do something to prevent sasuke from accessing the kyuubi to possibly stop naruto from harnessing its power
-jutsu probably similiar to the swirling absolute defense thingy (too lazy to find the name of the jutsu) that the hyuuga clan uses but also differs somehow (post suggestions im too lazy to think)

just some thoughts

aylw
July 14, 2006, 10:12 PM
Ah, Naruto is probably pretty bright, internally, but not externally. That is, he thinks quickly but he has a hard time transfering external inputs into his brain. So if Naruto's brain is a computer, and the world is the internet, he'd be a (decently-)fast (enough) computer with 2400 baud dial-up modem.

So, try to teach him, and he's horrible. Let him learn things on his own, at his own pace, he's great at it.

lentharius
July 14, 2006, 10:25 PM
it probably wont be a projectile since naruto cant even control chakra close to his body that well

Uhh...Naruto has incredible chakra control now. It was proven like 250 chapters ago that Naruto was having trouble mainly because of Oro's seal that he placed on Naruto that interrupted the flow of chakra throughout Naruto's body. Didn't Jiraiya even say that in order to be able to master Rasengan one has to have near perfect, if not perfect chakra control? I thought the fact that he was able to spin chakra at super fast rates in incredibly compressed manner means he has damned good chakra control.

I think the main arguement against it being a projectile is that, as far as I can tell, is what someone mentioned earlier about Naruto not needing another attack. He needs a support jutsu, like increased speed or maybe even a defense of some kind. Giving him another attack is pointless because he will more or less certainly kill whomever he hits with a full power Rasengan if they aren't Kabuto.

Oh and off topic but slightly relating to my previous point, someone mentioned in one of these threads something about Naruto not having killed anyone yet. Don't forget about the fake Itachi person who he killed when he hit them with Oodama Rasengan.

kyubisharingan
July 14, 2006, 10:42 PM
OK Hidan and Kakuzu come and Tsunade confronts them, oh and Shizune and Sakura. Meanwhile Kakashi and Yamato help Naruto with his training to use a LARGE amount of Chakra manipulation into wind, then helping him understand more on the 2 principals of Chidori and Rasengan. Oh just a thought its probably gonna be called "the Kaze Rasengan" lol just playin

saskaknarsak
July 14, 2006, 10:58 PM
asuma discovers that the temple and all the people there is destroyed. he looks for the perpetrators. Later meets up with hidan and kakuzu. Mean while with naruto and his training kakashi explains how to get a wind element technique. and at the end of the chapter asuma hidan and kakuzu fight??

Eye-Pod
July 14, 2006, 11:10 PM
Hmm if Naruto's element is wind, can't he control the oxygen we breathe? Maybe it would be a jutsu that increases the blood flow, and enable to fight like Lee heh j/k. How about a kyuubi-eye naruto that uses the KN4 techniques w/o the chakra showing. =P

gold lion
July 14, 2006, 11:34 PM
i predict
1) god of thunder; super compressed air, that explodes like deidara's tech over suna, but multiple and guided by wind.
2) rider on the storm; like shunshin, but air based, basically naruto ups his speed and directional with the aid of wind to insane levels, while displacing everything else around him in chaos, while he is in perfect control.
3) konohakagure rush; naruto's 10,000 clones rush the enemy brandishing rasengans wich cause a huge displacement like a natural disaster, tornado's( mini) are formed, debris thrown at the enemy from wind, erupting the landscape like a bulldozer.
4) shrapnel storms; shuriken of various sizes are thrown at the enemy, as kagebunshin with a multiplicationfactor of 1000.( like the 3rd did against oro)except this one is pushed forward at insane speeds by the destructive power of wind.

Fortisdiablos
July 14, 2006, 11:36 PM
I think it's gonna be a Rasengan Beam or the ability to launch the rasengan away from his body while using his chakura in the wind to keep it stable, or possibly, stronger.

It better be something cooler than the flowing Chidori.

gold lion
July 14, 2006, 11:46 PM
I think it's gonna be a Rasengan Beam or the ability to launch the rasengan away from his body while using his chakura in the wind to keep it stable, or possibly, stronger.

It better be something cooler than the flowing Chidori.
i predict that i will say the flowing chidori did suck, next chap; more training*begs profusely*

Blazin_Cha0s
July 15, 2006, 01:13 AM
I'll go with what I said last time.

That Naruto will make more than one jutsu. Naruto is a genius just in his own way. He's tricky, clever and hyperactive. I don't think he'll just create one jutsu, but in the process of creating one, create a few. Also, now that he knows his element he can make the jutsus he knows more of his own. Plus, one jutsu isn't enough surpass a ninja that has copied 1000 jutsus. Even if that are speaking metaphorically when they say, "1000" still 789 jutsus is still impressive.

Also, I expect to see Akatsuki in the next chapter. That monk will arrive and of course tell what happened, and Asuma will react to that.

I still for see Naruto abandoning the Kyubi for strength in the near future if he hasn't already which I believe he did . People he's a demon! Albeit a caged demon but a demon caged in human soul. He wants to corrupt Naruto and control him. What Naruto realized about the Kyubi is that he distorts and twists his goals, hurts those he loves and wants to protect, and is in the way. Naruto wanted to save Sasuke, but Kyubi appears ready to give him power and asks, "Who do you want to kill?" That wasn't his goal at all, and I believe he gained some insight about the Kyubi right then.

TheGreenFlash
July 15, 2006, 02:02 AM
Naruto is so mean abandoning kyuubi, kyuubi always paid the rent on time lol

Nekilof
July 15, 2006, 03:00 AM
I've read quite a few of the posts here, and one thing people are focusing so much on is the new rasengan/wind move he's going to make....I don't think Kakashi's purpose with this excercise is to produce an-uber-death move....sure he's going to make some very interesting move, but I suspect it'll be just a door opener so to speak....

Naruto will figure out in this process how to develop moves by himself effectively, and although this time he needs the help of kakashi and yamato next time he might decide I don't need a teacher and create a whole bunch of his own custom moves.....THAT'S what I'm waiting for! :p

Plus, I honestly wonder if mentioning his element is wind is there to throw us off as to what Naruto will really create.....I mean he's got a lightening oriented teacher who copies and creates jutsu that aren't always lightning, and an earth oriented "suppressor" :darn

I've always been a big fan of Naruto not being able to do things by himself at first without the help of others...so I see his new move as being cool but unable to take down his foes (I mean a one move death blow is very much so DBZ like and Naruto isn't DBZ....so I see a whole lot of moves being necessary), but I think Kakashi and the other junin will help him out this time.

---As a side note....Why the heck didn't Jiaryia think of this 2 YEARS ago?!?!!? OMG Naruto would've come back as a "god" if he would've done that. He really wasted 2 years of Naruto's life working with one on one training....

Blazin_Cha0s
July 15, 2006, 03:38 AM
Naruto is so mean abandoning kyuubi, kyuubi always paid the rent on time lol


LOL. So, abandoning probably wasn't the right word. How about...? (lol I'm thinking "forsaking" OMG I need sleep) rejecting his powers

Yeah, I meant the abandoning the Kyubi power.

I can't sleep. :s