Bakuman by Ohba Tsugumi and Obata Takeshi

[D.Blue]

Talking about Obata's art, I remember Death Note's cops (Matsuda, Mogi and most notably Aizawa) and how much their designs changed as their roles grew in importance.

I also read in an interview Obata saying he usually dislike the design of the characters in the beggining of his stories (because he's still getting used to them) and that's why they change over time.

But in the case of Bakuman, I do feel he's getting lazy in his drawings: the overall level of detail dropped and most designs are simplified. I think he needs a break to rest (like Mashiro:p)

[romaninja]

Talking about Obata's art, I remember Death Note's cops (Matsuda, Mogi and most notably Aizawa) and how much their designs changed as their roles grew in importance.

I also read in an interview Obata saying he usually dislike the design of the characters in the beggining of his stories (because he's still getting used to them) and that's why they change over time.

But in the case of Bakuman, I do feel he's getting lazy in his drawings: the overall level of detail dropped and most designs are simplified. I think he needs a break to rest (like Mashiro:p)

thats exactly how i feel, the art is getting a little better, but hes also not adding some of the key qualities of the characters...:blink

[Doragon]

Talking about Obata's art, I remember Death Note's cops (Matsuda, Mogi and most notably Aizawa) and how much their designs changed as their roles grew in importance.

I also read in an interview Obata saying he usually dislike the design of the characters in the beggining of his stories (because he's still getting used to them) and that's why they change over time.

But in the case of Bakuman, I do feel he's getting lazy in his drawings: the overall level of detail dropped and most designs are simplified. I think he needs a break to rest (like Mashiro:p)
I disagree. The characters of Death Note were very detailed because the tone of the story was more serious and epic. He's using an art style for a new manga about youth, so of course the art won't be that much more detailed than in Death Note. Can you imagine what the characters of Bakuman would look like if the designs was like Death Note's?

[D.Blue]

I disagree. The characters of Death Note were very detailed because the tone of the story was more serious and epic. He's using an art style for a new manga about youth, so of course the art won't be that much more detailed than in Death Note. Can you imagine what the characters of Bakuman would look like if the designs was like Death Note's?

Please, I'm not comparing Bakuman with Death Note, they're completely different kind of stories and I'm aware of that. The level of detailed dropped within Bakuman itself. Just check the first dialogue Mashiro and Takagi had in the first chapter and take a look in the latest chapters, you will probably notice the difference.

Bakuman in the beginning somewhat kept the style of Obata's latest work before it, Blue Dragon (Mashiro looks pretty much like Ral). One thing I love in Obata's art is his smooth lineart, how he gives his characters a feel of both realism and shojo-esque expressiveness.

Obata is also compulsive about clothing and hairs, and he usally bring those with absurdly intricate detail and variety.

In the latest chapters, the overall art looks cheaper - the character composition noticeably looks simplified , the expressions more exagerated and the amount of visual gags is staggering (can you find ANY in the first chapters?). It looks too much cartoony, losing the realist feel that is Obata's trademark.

The guy is way too much perfeccionist to change like this on purpose. Proof: once in a while, he brings some good shots (the last one being Eiji's serious look) and the cover art for the tankobon are as amazing as ever. He just needs time and rest to come back in shape - if Bakuman is indeed somewhat autobiographical, well, the last chapter might be trying to tell something about its artist...

[Doragon]

Sorry, but it seemed like you were comparing Death Note to Bakuman on your previous post. Honestly though, I kind of like the current art style better. Maybe because I'm a fan of comedy mangas, and I like the comical expressions they make. I'm not really good with contrasting things, so I don't really see much difference between the first chapter and the current besides the comedic expressions.

[romaninja]

Please, I'm not comparing Bakuman with Death Note, they're completely different kind of stories and I'm aware of that. The level of detailed dropped within Bakuman itself. Just check the first dialogue Mashiro and Takagi had in the first chapter and take a look in the latest chapters, you will probably notice the difference.

Bakuman in the beginning somewhat kept the style of Obata's latest work before it, Blue Dragon (Mashiro looks pretty much like Ral). One thing I love in Obata's art is his smooth lineart, how he gives his characters a feel of both realism and shojo-esque expressiveness.

Obata is also compulsive about clothing and hairs, and he usally bring those with absurdly intricate detail and variety.

In the latest chapters, the overall art looks cheaper - the character composition noticeably looks simplified , the expressions more exagerated and the amount of visual gags is staggering (can you find ANY in the first chapters?). It looks too much cartoony, losing the realist feel that is Obata's trademark.

The guy is way too much perfeccionist to change like this on purpose. Proof: once in a while, he brings some good shots (the last one being Eiji's serious look) and the cover art for the tankobon are as amazing as ever. He just needs time and rest to come back in shape - if Bakuman is indeed somewhat autobiographical, well, the last chapter might be trying to tell something about its artist...

man............your readin my mind man:blink

[Wentwarth]

This might be old news to some, but I thought I'd give heads up to the rest. Yahoo!Japan Auctions are currently flooded with Crow notebooks. Well, maybe not exactly "flooded", but there was not a lot of Bakuman items last time I searched and I was surprised to see these. Not being able to read Japanese, I can't say much, but seems like some time ago you could fill in an application form to receive a notebook and then.. wait to see if you're lucky, I guess? All descriptions say that it is a "prize" and there was a total of 55000 copies printed — it's not much comparing to WSJ circulation.. That could be very off, though, so if someone knows more, please share. I am stopping rambling.

It's a blank book, designed to appear as your usual tankobon, but without the dust cover, with Eiji's comments on the front flap. The following photos are property of Y!J users a2very (http://user.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/show/aboutme?userID=a2very) and baby_do2 (http://user.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/show/aboutme?userID=baby_do2); I uploaded them on my photobucket because when auctions are closed, images that go with description get taken down.

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/wentwarth/crow2.jpg
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/wentwarth/crow1.jpghttp://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/wentwarth/crow5.jpg
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/wentwarth/crow4.jpg

If you are a collector and want one of those, I would advise you to get it now, while they are all ~new~, shiny and unpacked. ;)

PS: Do you think there should be an official merchandise thread? Shueisha keeps adding goods to Bakuman section (https://www2.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/mekke/shop/list.cgi?key=&m_id=037&g_seq=&work_seq=0123) of their store.
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On another note: seems like Viz's licensing Bakuman (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-07-24/viz-shonen-jump-adds-bakuman-toriko-manga). Congrats to American readers. :amuse

[coinanmat]

^I am so excited about that news, I really enjoy this series and Im glad to see readers who dont know about these online manga sites can read the series.

[Viewtiful]

Did you see that Bakuman won an award in Japan this month? It is the Manga-Zin Award, in the first edition of the Award.

http://natalie.mu/comic/pp/mangazin/page/3
(can someone, please, translate what they say here?)

In second place, Yuki Suetsugu's Chihayafuru; then Wataru Watanabe's Yowamushi Pedal; a collection of Makoto Kobayashi's works at Seishun Shonen Magazine (1978-1983); and finally Tamiki Wakaki's The World God Only Knows.

[Minato-sama]

^I am so excited about that news, I really enjoy this series and Im glad to see readers who dont know about these online manga sites can read the series.

Don't get too excited since it viz I'm sure there will be some censoredship to make it more "for every one"
Like smoking for example I'm sure they will edit that since they don't want to encourage kids to smoke
I'm sure there a lot of people who don't like the art to be tempered with

[SHINOBI-03]

Don't get too excited since it viz I'm sure there will be some censoredship to make it more "for every one"
Like smoking for example I'm sure they will edit that since they don't want to encourage kids to smoke
I'm sure there a lot of people who don't like the art to be tempered with

Did we see an underaged kid smoking? There's no Shikamaru in this. The only ones we see smoke are Hattori and Mashiro's Uncle.

Sanji smokes in One Piece, Bo-bobo & Co smokes in BOBOBO-BO BO-BOBO, Hijikata smokes in Gintama, but they didn't change anything because they are adults, and most of it is rated T or T+ by Viz

[coinanmat]

Yeah and there is a disclaimer that says Viz does not condone smoking.

[Arrogance]

It is now 5.37am....I spent the last 13 hours reading this all 48 chapters of this manga and I am EXTREMELY happy with it.....Personally I've been more into the "battle mangas' like Naruto and Bleach and didn't expect to like this one so much. I decided to start reading it after a few people suggested it on the fun forum so I gave it a shot and ended up surprising myself. I love how the plots so simple and yet its so unique and effective. Its nothing I would ever expect to read and yet its done a great job of captivating me :D. Can't wait for the next chapter ;)

[D.Blue]

I'm glad you liked it, @Arrogance-san! And... 13 hours... welcome to the text-walled world of Tsugumi Ohba :p

I hope we can see you in our discussion threads once in a while;)

[Arrogance]

I'm glad I liked it to, lol. Well I am familiar with Death Note so I was kinda in the world of Tsugumi Ohba for a while now but after 13 hours I am now engulfed in it, lol. I'll try and make an appearance here from time to time now that I am caught up with the story ;).

[SHINOBI-03]

Sorry for the necroposting, but there's something I want to share with you as a mangaka to other readers of a story about mangakas.

Yesterday, I had another nightmare about me as a mangaka...!!

Let me tell you about the first one, which I had few weeks ago...

I remember it was a night time, standing in front of a white rectanguler building.

I got in, and there was only one room with a female editor sitting on her desk.

I handed to her my manga series manuscripts and asked her if her company will publish it.

While she was reading it, she bursted out laughing!! But she was not laughing like after seeing a joke, no...

She was laughing at MY entire work like she was MAKING FUN AT ME AND MY SERIES!

The last thing I remember, is walking slowly outside the room/buliding, and I kept hearing her laughing out loud like crazy!!

I woke up, and to tell you the truth... my spirit was shattered big time for days and didn't draw anything new!!

But I got over it, and things went normal... until last night...!!

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I had another nightmare!!

This time, I was with a man, and talked with him more about my series.

But, he told me that he WON't publish my manga, because HE says so!!

I argued with him alot, but the guy was stubborn as a mule!!

And then, I had enough with him and left the place full of anger.

The last thing I remember, is sitting in a dark appartment-like room, sitting in front of a computer, and that's it.


God... I hate having mental nightmares that breaks your spirit and self-esteem!!

[imanne]

Hey SHINOBI-03.. Cheer-up..
Of course being a mangaka is really hard..
Although I just draw manga to achieve my excitement and never send it to published,
I'm happy to know that many mangakas gather in this forum.. :)

[SHINOBI-03]

I actually... did approach to a publishing company and talked directly with the founder!

It's called PageFlip (http://www.pageflip.ae/pageflip.html), and they started last summer.

Since it's still new, they still arn't capable of doing much.

But I gave him my manga, and he will check it and hopfully gives me an approavel.

Isn't it cool to live the tension of Bakuman in real life?

[imanne]

Yeah.. other than make it as an example of living as a mangaka, we can also make it as an example of how hard life can get us to.

[Kibate]

oh, so there are other (newbie) mangaka here too?
Glad to see other people taking action too. The new (international) generation has to top the old one!

[D.Blue]

Hey Shinobi, don't give up! These nightmares are nothing to be concerned about really. It happens to me a lot when I'm through stressful situations as well.

Also... Your stories... DO WANT to see them!

[SHINOBI-03]

Hey Shinobi, don't give up! These nightmares are nothing to be concerned about really. It happens to me a lot when I'm through stressful situations as well.

Also... Your stories... DO WANT to see them!

Well, the first one is what affected me the most...! The second one was meh.

Thank you for your concerns everyone. :amuse

Oh, and about my stories... I plan on translating them in the near future.

Even though I made it exclusive to the main forum I host it in, I'll make an exeption for this site.

When the current arc is done, it'll sign the end of the first main saga out of four.

When that's done, I'll try to finish the "cough* pilot version ((Who the hell heard of a mangaka doing the pilot after starting the main series?!:blink)) in both Arabic and English. And when it's done, I'll post the raws with the translation.

Now, I'm drawing episode 50 of the series, and it'll be a full-colored 25 pages.:tem

[Akiyama]

Viz Bakuman, volume 1 (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Bakuman-Vol-1/Tsugumi-Ohba/Bakuman/9781421535135): August, 2010
This could be the possible cover of U.S. volume 1.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/volumes/BAKUMAN1_170.jpg

[Googlez_kun]

so Bakuman volume 1 will be published in august 2010 in the US?
poor guys...
Bakuman volume 3 will be published in January 2010 in Germany,so we allready have volume 1 and 2 :p

[Drmke]

I like that cover a lot :tem

O and more than likely VIZ will do what they are doing with Toriko and just do a three issue preview then go bi-monthly with the releases so if we get past this first long wait, then it won't be so bad :p

[mega walker]

I actually... did approach to a publishing company and talked directly with the founder!

It's called PageFlip (http://www.pageflip.ae/pageflip.html), and they started last summer.

Since it's still new, they still arn't capable of doing much.

But I gave him my manga, and he will check it and hopfully gives me an approavel.

Isn't it cool to live the tension of Bakuman in real life?
wow lol
i really do love bakuman which kinda inspired me to draw manga to and infact ive sent a 31 page manga to weekly jump itself yet im still waiting for a reply
i dont think it will do well but it would be cool to get to speak to an editor
anyway if it werent for bakuman i wouldnt have a clue on how to acctually become a mangaka
but anyway good look with ur manga SHINOBI-03 and maybe if it gets published i would really like to read it

[Googlez_kun]

wow lol
i really do love bakuman which kinda inspired me to draw manga to and infact ive sent a 31 page manga to weekly jump itself yet im still waiting for a reply
i dont think it will do well but it would be cool to get to speak to an editor
anyway if it werent for bakuman i wouldnt have a clue on how to acctually become a mangaka
but anyway good look with ur manga SHINOBI-03 and maybe if it gets published i would really like to read it

do you live in Japan?

[mega walker]

do you live in Japan?
no i sent my manuscript all the way from england but i hope to move there in the future

[LilaChan]

no i sent my manuscript all the way from england but i hope to move there in the future

You make me cry. I live in England too. Did you write it in japanese?

I can barely finish one coloured picture, let alone a proper manuscript :facepalm. If I had to send in a manuscript, I'll go for elementary targeted shoujo manga magazine (Ribon or Nakayoshi). Looks alot less competitive compared to Jump.

[Googlez_kun]

no i sent my manuscript all the way from england but i hope to move there in the future

i don't know if they will accept it if it's not japanese,but considering you want to go to Japan,i guess you know the language^^

[SHINOBI-03]

Have you tried with your local publishing companies?

BTW... here in the U.A.E., we have two manga-based comic series'.

The first one is called "خيال" "Khayal" ((Imagenation)).

http://www.arteden.ae/submissions/files/full/image/Khayal_1221313507.jpg

A monthly magazine first published on September 2008 ((With several delays)) done by four manga & anime fans.

It have four main stories, each done by one guy only.

http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik_cover_big.png

The first ((and most famous)) story is called "مالك" "Malik" by Ahmed AlMansory who is well known for his art that mimics the style of Masashi Kishimoto.

It's an Action-Adventure story set in an Arabian Desert style, and it's centers around a boy named Malik, and some others like Sultan, a man with the ability to talk with his falcon and his family, and they all encounter starnge demonic people and other sorts of things in their travellings.
http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Malik.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Sultan.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Saif.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Al-Reem.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Al-Yaziya.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Rashid.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Mansour.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/malik/Um%20Sultan.jpg

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http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/grey_cover_big.png

The second story is called "الإمبراطور الرمادي" "Grey Emperor" by Saeed AlKetbi.

A Sci-Fi story with some dark elements and war and mecha themes.
http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/ramady/salem.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/ramady/ramady.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/ramady/ibrahim.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/ramady/nawar.jpg

Watch the trailer on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRSBNenyxE&feature=player_embedded

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http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/affection_cover_big.png

Third, we have "تفاعلات خاصة" "Special Reactions" by S. AlAhbabi.

A Clice of Life manga. Talks about the two siblings Wesam and her brother Hazem who can't stand each other no matter what and always get into fights together or with others.
http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/special-affection/5.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/special-affection/4.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/special-affection/3.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/special-affection/2.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/special-affection/1.jpg

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http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw_cover_big.png

And finally, "حول العالم" "Around The World" by Reem AlAwadh.

Another Clice of Life manga. It's about some guys who all works in a restaurant with global thesmes. The plot is usually about a single character rather than what they do in the restaurant.
http://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw/yusuf.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw/haitham.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw/saeed.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw/abukhalid.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw/faris.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw/wail.jpghttp://www.khayal.me/images/manga/atw/ismael.jpg

This is the link for the official website: http://www.khayal.me

And, if you want to check it out, you can download issues 0 and 1 and have a look at them.
http://www.lon-media.com/khayal_issues/Khayal0_Free.zip
http://www.khayal.me/khayal_issues/Khayal_1.zip

.

The second manga series is "سوار الذهب" "Gold Ring".

It's written by "Qais Sedki" and illustrated by none other than "Akira Himikawa"!

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/465/gold1.png
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8975/gold2.png

In the story, there is about a falconry tournament called "Gold Ring", which is about falconries and their falcons who compete with each other in special races for who can catch the golden ring attached to the robotic bird first.

Meet Sultan, who looks up to this tournament with Majd, his female falcon friend and be like his father.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3070/gold3.png
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8241/gold4.png

The manga is released in a collected volume format, and only the first volume is released so far.

Go to the offical site from here: http://www.goldring.ae

[mega walker]

wow all those manga look sooo cool i cant wait to see yours
and anyway i wrote my manuscript all in japanese lol
i iz learning it but i dont know alot yet my japanese teacher helped me with translating it
i would like to scan it but its not with me at the moment so ill try and put some pics up soon
my art sucks but i dont really care lol its not like its all drawn in pencil i acctually drew it in g pen and the characters look quite similer to d-greyman and if you know as much about manga styles as me lol youll recognize that its in a japanese style if that makes sense
series like miki falls tht isnt really in the japanese style if any of this acctually makes sense lol
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You make me cry. I live in England too. Did you write it in japanese?

I can barely finish one coloured picture, let alone a proper manuscript :facepalm. If I had to send in a manuscript, I'll go for elementary targeted shoujo manga magazine (Ribon or Nakayoshi). Looks alot less competitive compared to Jump.
well lol its been my all time dream to work for jump and my style is way to shonen to go to any other magazine lol
luckily none of the manga has to be in color so im good lol

[Googlez_kun]

wow all those manga look sooo cool i cant wait to see yours
and anyway i wrote my manuscript all in japanese lol
i iz learning it but i dont know alot yet my japanese teacher helped me with translating it
i would like to scan it but its not with me at the moment so ill try and put some pics up soon
my art sucks but i dont really care lol its not like its all drawn in pencil i acctually drew it in g pen and the characters look quite similer to d-greyman and if you know as much about manga styles as me lol youll recognize that its in a japanese style if that makes sense
series like miki falls tht isnt really in the japanese style if any of this acctually makes sense lol
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well lol its been my all time dream to work for jump and my style is way to shonen to go to any other magazine lol
luckily none of the manga has to be in color so im good lol
wow,i want to see your manga!:wtf
and i think if it looks like a manga with the g pen style and is in japanese than you might even get a response^^

[LilaChan]

The G-pen is mega hard to used. But it's pretty easy to tell whether a person pretended that they used a G-pen and just went over the lines to make it thicker (shoujo mangas comes to mind). G-pens just requires practice I guess....I barely used them and they're just collecting dust in this little blue pencil case.

The guy who draws Miku Falls is pretty skilled, but his style can only be called manga influenced. It's actually fairly easy to tell whether a fanart is from Deviantart or Pixiv, at least the best artists. The Japanese fanarts tend to have more pastel like colours and have very thin inking while Westen fanarts are brighter with stronger lines.

Today I just had a chat with this friend (who I met on this online game) asking about whether he sees yaoi undertones with Reborn. His reply was 'It started as a gag manga and it turned into a battle manga'. My response was that he definitely read Bakuman. Bakuman really has changed its readers view on manga forever.

[mega walker]

wow,i want to see your manga!:wtf
and i think if it looks like a manga with the g pen style and is in japanese than you might even get a response^^

well i promise to put it up within the next two weeks lol thanx for your support lol
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The G-pen is mega hard to used. But it's pretty easy to tell whether a person pretended that they used a G-pen and just went over the lines to make it thicker (shoujo mangas comes to mind). G-pens just requires practice I guess....I barely used them and they're just collecting dust in this little blue pencil case.

The guy who draws Miku Falls is pretty skilled, but his style can only be called manga influenced. It's actually fairly easy to tell whether a fanart is from Deviantart or Pixiv, at least the best artists. The Japanese fanarts tend to have more pastel like colours and have very thin inking while Westen fanarts are brighter with stronger lines.

Today I just had a chat with this friend (who I met on this online game) asking about whether he sees yaoi undertones with Reborn. His reply was 'It started as a gag manga and it turned into a battle manga'. My response was that he definitely read Bakuman. Bakuman really has changed its readers view on manga forever.

well it took me about a month of practice with the g-pen before i drew my manga but the manga took about 6 months but that was because of the japanese the story is quite complicated lol so it was really hard
and yea bakuman really does change peoples view on manga

[D.Blue]

Man, @SHINOBI-san, that's the most amusingly awesome post I've seen in weeks, in ANY forum. Especially, but not only, because of how those authors kept cultural elements of their own people to do their stories.

You know, I live in Brazil, and most pro writers here keep with the old medieval fantasy idea because nobody bothers trying to go further into our own culture and history.

Whenever anyone tries, people get the feeling it's kind of forced nationalism - we're not very proud of our history, but there ARE interesting facts that could make for nice plots, and our folklore is extremely rich thanks to the native indigenous people, but we are so massacred by internetional influence (mostly north-american culture) that most brazilians don't care about it anymore, instead recurring to:

A - Stories about fictional universes, mostly fantasy settings;
B - Ridiculous stories based on Japanese customs - written by people whose only knowledge of Japanese culture comes from manga/anime;
C - Super Hero stories that seem to take place somewhere in North America.

And it's a shame. We could do better.

As a side note, I would like to ask if there's some kind of influence from local religions on the media produced in the United Arab Emirates - comics included? Or you're free to write about any subject? I'm just curious, since I've heard your place is kinda liberal compared to some other Middle East countries.

[SHINOBI-03]

A - Stories about fictional universes, mostly fantasy settings;
B - Ridiculous stories based on Japanese customs - written by people whose only knowledge of Japanese culture comes from manga/anime;
C - Super Hero stories that seem to take place somewhere in North America.


I feel guilty after reading this... but unlike any casual fan who does somthing based directly on a manga he just read, I did about two years of researches and reading historical and picture books before I start my manga. Plus it was an idea I had for about 6 years ago.

I plan to do a comic starring Emarati people, but after I finish what I've started. And yes, I'll change the genre.

My next comic would be a Sci-Fi / Mecha / Alien Invasion - esque series.


As a side note, I would like to ask if there's some kind of influence from local religions on the media produced in the United Arab Emirates - comics included? Or you're free to write about any subject? I'm just curious, since I've heard your place is kinda liberal compared to some other Middle East countries.

Yeah, we put the culture and religion in our top priority. We can't and we are not allowed to publish anything that depicats Gods, Angels, prophits in any way, especially in a humilating form ((like a certin South Park and Family Guy)). And we can't publish sexual and scandalist materials because that's another No No.

Here, comics are meant to be enjoyed by kids and sometimes by grounups, but it's content must not exceed a "PG" rating. A "+13" is possible, but it usually contains more violence and more complex story and nothing else.

If it happens and someone "dared" to publish what mentioned above... he would get sued, the publishing company might get closed, and the worst... sentenced to jail.

When I talked to Mr. Qais Sedki, he said it's not necessary to have the comic based in the U.A.E. just as long as it does not cross any of the mentiond red lines.

[D.Blue]

I feel guilty after reading this... but unlike any casual fan who does somthing based directly on a manga he just read, I did about two years of researches and reading historical and picture books before I start my manga. Plus it was an idea I had for about 6 years ago.

If you're aiming towards the japanese public I suppose that's reasonable. I just think people from one's country might enjoy a story much more if they can identify with the setting more easily, rather than requiring them to plow through an alien culture they know nothing about.

The kind of story I mentioned on B is most apreciated by people who already knows and enjoy japanese stuff; not a large chunk of Brazilian population, in my case - and I suppose not that many people in Dubai either. However, possibly the kind of public who read the magazine you mentioned probably would appreciate this kind of story.


Also, thanks for the insight! That was some nice info right there. The more you know!

[SHINOBI-03]

If you're aiming towards the japanese public I suppose that's reasonable. I just think people from one's country might enjoy a story much more if they can identify with the setting more easily, rather than requiring them to plow through an alien culture they know nothing about.

Oh, relax. We had Arabic dubbed anime since the late 70's and early 80's. It's not something new. Although it was treated like any regualar cartoon.

Nowadays, anime is even more well known to almost everyone from Arabic dubbed anime to downloaded episodes, and DVDs are starting to show up, ((AND I GOT THE NEW DRAGON BOX !!!!)). And manga is really popular among Arabic fans thanks to scanlations. And we ended up having a Kinokoniya store that have both Engllish and Japanese manga not availabe online. And to the extent of having a sushi restaurant with manga for customers to read!

It's like what Takagi said in Ch.1: "Japanese manga is a global phenomenon now." If it's not in Japanese style, it doesn't get much attention. Hell... even American cartoons are starting to copy the Japanese style of drawing ((Megas XLR, Ben10, Avatar)).


The G-pen is mega hard to used. But it's pretty easy to tell whether a person pretended that they used a G-pen and just went over the lines to make it thicker (shoujo mangas comes to mind). G-pens just requires practice I guess....I barely used them and they're just collecting dust in this little blue pencil case.

Even Mashiro stated it was difficult to use. I tried using it along with the Kabura and Maru pens. The Kabura pen is easier to use and I suggest for newbies to start with it before they get to use the G because it's so damn hard to get the thickness you want with it! I switched using regular pens beacuse of that.

[mega walker]

well ive been drawing in a g-pen for about a year and i gues when you first start off the lines do become thick and also ink splatters everywhere but for me i got used to it after a month or so, so i sugest for anyone who asspires to become a mangaka use a g-pen. After a while it becomes so easy and now i can practically draw anything i want with it. On bakuman you see mangaka drawing backgrounds with kabura pens but i tried that and its nothing but a pain so thats why when i draw backgrounds with a ruler i use a fine liner pen so i can get in the fine lines of the backgrounds
i know this is kinda off topic but i wanna talk about what makes a manga so appealing and thats the style. I think if you want to become a mangaka you need your own style. This makes a huge improvement to your work which also connects to using certain pens. Depending on what pens u use you can set your own style so i think its also good to draw with what you feel comfortable drawing with instead of trying to draw in a pen that u cant do much with

[LilaChan]

Nowadays there's so much mangas, it's hard to really have a unique style. If a style is too unique, it may push away alot of readers (points at self). But if it's too generic, then it's hard to attract readers from the first place. Very few mangakas can manage a visually appealing style and still being unique. I think it's just better to go with the flow, if your style happen to be generic, then let it be generic. Forcing yourself to change it is doing to be hard. I ended up with some generic shoujo + moe + yaoi-ish style....


Even Mashiro stated it was difficult to use. I tried using it along with the Kabura and Maru pens. The Kabura pen is easier to use and I suggest for newbies to start with it before they get to use the G because it's so damn hard to get the thickness you want with it! I switched using regular pens beacuse of that.

In the end I didn't go for G-pen or Kabura pens. I do like the maru-pen, that's quite easy to use, I just use it to the while picture and get really fine lines. I went for digital inking, obviously it has its own advantages, but has alot of flaws too. My left wrist has some weird condition where there's a little bump, because my left hand is used to press ctrl+z. The bump appears if I start drawing on the comptuer about 3 days in a roll but it would go away once I give my left hand a rest (I really should go to the doctors.... And nothing compares on drawing paper compared to a tablet+screen. I seem to be too lazy to tidy up with tradition media, digital media is perfect for lazy people :p.

Anyway, I have no plans to be a mangaka or comic artist. If I'm lucky, I might become a doujinka or something. I only draw what I like to draw, so a doujinka is the way to go for me.

I've read some Hong Kong chinese and Taiwanese chinese manga (shoujo). The ones I read were awful. Especially that Selena Lam, how long has she been drawing? Her art is still awful, she still can't draw eyes that's balanced on both sides. Plus her stories are confusing, generic, characters are as flat as 2D can be. But I do give her the credit of drawing traditional Chinese manga, too bad my chinese is too bad to tell whether her poems are any good. She did release one thing good, I liked her how to draw shoujo manga book. It's a good choice for any 12 year olds who wants to learn. I only read a chapter or two from the Hong Konger mangakas, some, the art was the type where they pretend they were good. The ones with LOTS of details in the hair eyes and clothes yet the proportions were awful. There's some chinese mangakas I seen that has 'pretty' art which do have good proportions, but are non are memorable. Anyway, right now I don't have a good impression on chinese shoujo mangakas or mangas.

Actually, some of the good mangas may not have the best art. Ookiku Furikabutte has some pretty medicore art, but it own the Tezuka Osamu Cultural Prize. Good story telling + word of mouth> pretty art. Although pretty art gets more attention at the start.

[SHINOBI-03]

And nothing compares on drawing paper compared to a tablet+screen. I seem to be too lazy to tidy up with tradition media, digital media is perfect for lazy people .

I have Niizuma's early problem of not drawing anything twice. If I draw something and then scan it and trace and edit digitally, it'll feel like I'm drawing the same thing twice.

So, yeah. I'm lazy, and I like to draw everything digitally with my tablet and Photoshop because it saves the time for all that. Plus it's easier to edit the drawings that way for me.


Nowadays there's so much mangas, it's hard to really have a unique style. If a style is too unique, it may push away alot of readers (points at self). But if it's too generic, then it's hard to attract readers from the first place. Very few mangakas can manage a visually appealing style and still being unique. I think it's just better to go with the flow, if your style happen to be generic, then let it be generic. Forcing yourself to change it is doing to be hard. I ended up with some generic shoujo + moe + yaoi-ish style....

Speaking of art style, I was noted that it looks similer to Akira Toriyama's early Drgaon Ball style! Which is kinda true, since I practiced with the first and only manga volume I had at that time ((Dragon ball vol. 9)). You can check my art in my Deviantart page: http://shinobi-03.deviantart.com and tell me about my style.

My drawing is usually gag style. I can't and I still can't draw a serious manga style such as Fist of the North Star or the usuall one from the 80's.

[kapiya_7]

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3936/bakumanj.jpg

Does anybody understand this? Why does Takagi say "Gonzales"? I didn't get it at all... >_<'

[fizban]

Shujin called Ishizawa Gonzales in the manga too. The rest of it is a word pun like you would see in a series like Yakitate! Japan.

[mega walker]

ok i have my manga scanned and saved to my pictures how can i insert it to this page?

[Googlez_kun]

you can upload it on imageshack and post the link here

[mega walker]

haha yes finally my manga is up
sorry it is only the first 3 pages but whatever
it might not be posted in the right area so sorry bout thathttp://yfrog.com/8cimg007xlj
http://yfrog.com/jdimg008bdj
http://yfrog.com/8cimg009fj

[LilaChan]

haha yes finally my manga is up
sorry it is only the first 3 pages but whatever
it might not be posted in the right area so sorry bout thathttp://yfrog.com/8cimg007xlj
http://yfrog.com/jdimg008bdj
http://yfrog.com/8cimg009fj

You should get a tablet, since you'll be able to use digital-tones and probably saves you traditional some money from buying the screen tones. It's a shame that amazon doesn't sell that 28 quid wacom anymore, that cheapo tablet still lasted me 3 years (I think it still works). Tablet + GIMP should be enough to for screen toning, of course you could always get photoshop with student version (or the infamous alternative method).

[SHINOBI-03]

Umm... not wanting to sound mean... but it looks... amateurish.

Ever considered using real manga supplies?

For example: The paper. I bought a pack, and to let you know: It's not the same as the regular A4 printing paper. It's a bit larger in size and smoother and harder than it.

http://www.mangaarts.com.au/IC_Paper_discription_with_Picture.jpg

And of course, the nib pens

http://www.mangaarts.com.au/G_Pen_nib.JPGhttp://www.mangaarts.com.au/Saji_Pen_nib.JPGhttp://www.mangaarts.com.au/Mapping_pen_nib.JPG

The ink. ((I finally got the white ink))

http://www.mangaarts.com.au/IMG_1795.JPGhttp://www.mangaarts.com.au/IMG_1792.JPG

If you are interested in buying materials, you can check this site out. http://www.mangaarts.com.au/store/

[LilaChan]

The problem is that he is in the UK. I know the difficulties of getting good manga supplies here (I bought all mine from Hong Kong), I got quite pissed when I found out it costed 5 pounds per copic pen when it's 5 dollars in the US. That is mostly why I do all my stuff digitally, once you get a tablet you can pretty much do everything.

Real manga paper is real manga paper, the ink is much smoother on it. But if you're going to scan it and edit it on the computer, good quality printing paper does the job. You know the good quality printing paper that sells for 5 quid for 500 sheets, just not the Tesco value ones and you're fine.

I think it's more important to get the basics right first, before getting all these expensive crapstuff.

[Saint Markus]

Umm... not wanting to sound mean... but it looks... amateurish.

Ever considered using real manga supplies?

For example: The paper. I bought a pack, and to let you know: It's not the same as the regular A4 printing paper. It's a bit larger in size and smoother and harder than it.

http://www.mangaarts.com.au/IC_Paper_discription_with_Picture.jpg

And of course, the nib pens

http://www.mangaarts.com.au/G_Pen_nib.JPGhttp://www.mangaarts.com.au/Saji_Pen_nib.JPGhttp://www.mangaarts.com.au/Mapping_pen_nib.JPG

The ink. ((I finally got the white ink))

http://www.mangaarts.com.au/IMG_1795.JPGhttp://www.mangaarts.com.au/IMG_1792.JPG

If you are interested in buying materials, you can check this site out. http://www.mangaarts.com.au/store/


yo, thanks for the line to the manga store website. can't find good quality art supplies in my area. this will hopefully help me a bunch, much thanks again.

[mega walker]

i acctually did use the g pens and kabura pens to draw that
but i ordered them from the web and that same month i drew all those drawings
So yea i guess it is kinda amerture but i didnt have a lot of practice and i dont want to sound top rock but my drawings and technique have improved since
Ill scan some pages from my new manga
im sure youll see the difference
[hr]
as for the paper i asked my japanese teacher and she said that she has a freind in japan who draws doujinshi and he recommended the paper that i use. Basically its just the rough outline shape of were the lines would be on real manga paper without all the measurements. I have the outline shape saved onto my computer so i just print it onto card
it does the same job
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk260/mangaizzy/guy.jpg
[hr]
This is one of my latests drawins i drew about a month ago
[hr]

I have Niizuma's early problem of not drawing anything twice. If I draw something and then scan it and trace and edit digitally, it'll feel like I'm drawing the same thing twice.

So, yeah. I'm lazy, and I like to draw everything digitally with my tablet and Photoshop because it saves the time for all that. Plus it's easier to edit the drawings that way for me.



Speaking of art style, I was noted that it looks similer to Akira Toriyama's early Drgaon Ball style! Which is kinda true, since I practiced with the first and only manga volume I had at that time ((Dragon ball vol. 9)). You can check my art in my Deviantart page: http://shinobi-03.deviantart.com and tell me about my style.

My drawing is usually gag style. I can't and I still can't draw a serious manga style such as Fist of the North Star or the usuall one from the 80's.
wow i checked out ur art its really cool
i agree it is a little like dragon ball ive recently been trying to draw in the style of takeshi obata cos i feel as though it looks more real and better
but when it comes to the dragon ball style it looks simple yet really effective and when u compare it to death note you really think dragon ball looks better
is ur manga that violet shadow? is there anywhere i can read it?

[SHINOBI-03]

is ur manga that violet shadow? is there anywhere i can read it?

Oh, you want to checkout my manga, here's my site: www.violet-shadows.webs.com

But like I've said before, it's Arabic only.

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OMG!! Looking back to the earliest episodes... the art...!! :blink

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1313/crapo.png

It looks so shitty and terrible!! Did I really thought it's good?!!:s
Nothing is even!! The outlines varies from frame to frame!! Everyone looks ugly!! :darn

It's just embarrassing... embarrassing I tell you! :facepalm Plus, some jokes looks lame for me now!

And I was making you look bad?!!

[mega walker]

yea the art does seem a liitle lazier than how death note was but i think its takeshi obatas version of shonen manga
i read in an interview after death note that he really wanted to draw something really shonen (blue dragon was probly it aswell) yet when you look at crow's and large bander's and detective traps art you think the art is awsome

[Googlez_kun]

I think he meant his own art^^

[mega walker]

oh right lol
sorry its just because since he brought up a pic from the early stages of bakuman i thought...
anyway sorry my mistake:facepalm

[Kibate]

as for the talk about manga art supplies, i want to give out my own opinion:
DON'T!
We live in a modern area, so use the tools you grew up with!
Don't know what i am talking about? COMPUTERS.
Nowdays, you can archive the SAME(maybe even better if you are experience enough) results with computer supplies(that everyone is able to get in the uk or europe) as traditional stuff.

Of course, the same rule applies as to tradiotional supplies: It's only worth spending money for if you are already experienced enough in art and actually has the will to go pro.(that is, of course, something everyone has to decide for himself, though usually others who are already on pro level give out advices)

i don't like to call me "pro" because i actually haven't sold any manga yet*haha* but it will be soon(as if not every noob ever has said that)
but even though my first book will be sold soon, i still try out many different methods of drawing to improve manga art(with that i mean being able to draw good pictures "faster")

[SHINOBI-03]

We live in a modern area, so use the tools you grew up with!
Don't know what i am talking about? COMPUTERS.
Nowdays, you can archive the SAME(maybe even better if you are experience enough) results with computer supplies(that everyone is able to get in the uk or europe) as traditional stuff.

Well, I use Photoshop to draw. I tried a software called "Manga Studio EX", but it was complicated to me. I use it to get the screentones only.

--

Anyway, while reading some Bakuman chapters, this page from chapter 62 caught my attension...
http://media4.onemanga.com/mangas/00002112/000246522/10.jpg

What does Yamahisa mean with "We can't have humans killing other humans!"?!

Are they not allowed to do this anymore?! ((It's hard to believe it's the magazine that published hardcore titles like Fist of the North Star where everyone dies in gruesome ways in each chapter!))

Absolutely NO HOTLINKING to onemanga or other websites that don't explicitely allow it. I took the IMG-tags out.

[Kibate]

Well, I use Photoshop to draw. I tried a software called "Manga Studio EX", but it was complicated to me. I use it to get the screentones only.
well, i use 2 different programs to draw too(photoshop for coloring and screentone and borders/speechbubbles/text) and "sai" for outlines and sketches


What does Yamahisa mean with "We can't have humans killing other humans!"?!

Are they not allowed to do this anymore?! ((It's hard to believe it's the magazine that published hardcore titles like Fist of the North Star where everyone dies in gruesome ways in each chapter!))
well, times are changing, nowdays a lot more parents worry way too much what their children are reading. This is most likely the case why no one dies in bleach/naruto/onepiece(except for important deaths)
but something like that manga is a bit too extreme with humans dieing left and right.
Even something like deathnote is on the borders, but considering we rarely saw someone dieing(and even if, they only died by a heartattack) it was ok to publish it

[SHINOBI-03]

A good example about the changes in Jump, is Watsuki's "Buso Renkin" (2003-2005)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4202/93430702.jpg

This is what he said in volume 3:

"Because this isn't and adult manga, I covered some of the more graphic gore with mosaics, but an editor suggested that I stop this because it makes them seem worse than they really are. What do I do now?"

[Googlez_kun]

i don't know if you are interested,but i have a manga planned and here are three characters i drew for it(the coloring is a bit messy^^'):

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2146/scannen0001yk.jpg

[mega walker]

woah sweet
did you draw that with ink?

[Googlez_kun]

woah sweet
did you draw that with ink?

yeah,with ink and my school pen,since i don't have a G-Pen yet^^

here is another drawing of him:http://hari-jizo.deviantart.com/art/Character-151109383
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/020/a/9/Character_by_Hari_Jizo.jpg

[mega walker]

woah cool i wish i could colour as good as you

[~FrienD~]

okay! in the Bakuman they explained the process of creating manga:names-manuscripts etc...
Now my question is how does one prepare or create a name(i still don't get it). also do you guys have any links to real names done by real mangakas so that it might help me understand.

[Googlez_kun]

okay! in the Bakuman they explained the process of creating manga:names-manuscripts etc...
Now my question is how does one prepare or create a name(i still don't get it). also do you guys have any links to real names done by real mangakas so that it might help me understand.

Names are actually nothing more than story-boards
you draw the manga in a sketchy form,so that you don't spend to much time on it
here is an example directly from Bakuman http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/20248/31?t=1265057913
they are for the editors,so that they can see how the chapter will be,with the different panels and the story for the chapter and the editor can speak about them and change them
it's better like this
imagine having a full script allready with backgrounds and everything inked and then the editor tells you to change it^^

hope that helped you,if not,then feel free to ask again:XD

[p1xel]

Hey,all bakuman fans!
Lately I was thinking about "Ashirogi Muto" and how Miyoshi created it.
It could be explained but i don`t think so:P
So,we start with "Ashirogi"-from Mashiro we get"Ashiro" and from Takagi we get "gi".
And "Muto".I think it`s "M" from Mashiro, "U" from Shujin, "T" from Takagi and "O" from Saiko
As i said,if it was explained then don`t shoot me for wasting space:)

[Ilcm26]

Good thinking, but the real explanation is here

http://www.onemanga.com/Bakuman/15/15/

[Kibate]

Kanji's are confusing

[SHINOBI-03]

I talked about it for a long time, but here it is.

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58348

[BBB Banana]

well there's no hangout thread for bakuman so I hope is not wrong to post this in here.

This is a pic of some jump Mangaka is a somewhat old pic so not all of them are still im jump but I was thinking who agrees that Eiji was inspired by the 2nd guy in the 4th row?


http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6731/b0013851np4.jpg

Moved to hangout thread

[Artemisru]

well there's no hangout thread for bakuman so I hope is not wrong to post this in here.

This is a pic of some jump Mangaka is a somewhat old pic so not all of them are still im jump but I was thinking who agrees that Eiji was inspired by the 2nd guy in the 4th row?


http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6731/b0013851np4.jpg

Moved to hangout thread

Yeah, indeed the pose and the hair looks really similair. Btw which manga's author is that?

[fizban]

That, I believe, is Toriko's author. He got in trouble almost a decade ago for child prostitution.

But Toriko itself is a great series. I think I'd be happier, you know, not knowing too much about what goes on in the lives of the people who make the series I read. Bad enough that Togashi mentions over and over in the ToC comments how much time he spends playing Dragon Quest. Keep cranking out those chapters.

[R4n]

Regarding "serious humour" Hattori been talking about... That reminds me of WAITT series by e1n. (http://e1n.deviantart.com/gallery/?6127901#We-re-All-In-This-Together)
The topic of the comic is so simple and mundane but it is funny because the characters take it so seriously (well, dirty jokes make it funny too, but still...) :p

[sharingan_kakashi]

i really like the concept of this new series ashirogi is doing. anyone know of a real manga similar to it?

[DidCart]

i really like the concept of this new series ashirogi is doing. anyone know of a real manga similar to it?

Maybe "Sket Dance" is what you're looking for.

[Akiyama]

Does anybody know a font that looks similar to the big black BAKUMAN letters?

Edit: I've decided to go with Tandelle Bold :amuse

[sekida]

it's just funny that Naruto use the "I dunno about that" line of Bakuman.

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/18388702/12

[Akiyama]

Back in November 2008 contained in Manga Erotics F #54 Obata and FURUYA Usamaru took turns and drew each others series and made a poster. This is Furuya's interpretation of Bakuman. Very interesting to see the characters in a different style.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/esker08/Misc/Furuya_Usamaru_Bakuman.jpg

[BBB Banana]

Wow really cool style one of the best I've seen.

[Crude]

Pretty awesome! What about Obata's rendition of Furuya's series (Genkaku no Picasso right?)?

[sir_arles]

Did you find out about Otter 11's spin off to be released next week in WJS!!!??

It's gonna be AWESOME :D

[BBB Banana]

Yeah but maybe a pcp one would be cooler. Since we got to take a look at it I really wished I could read more xD

[fizban]

I'm pretty excited about the Otters 11 one. Do you think it will be a first chapter type thing or maybe something set at a random point in the series? The anticipation is killing me.

[Akiyama]

Pretty awesome! What about Obata's rendition of Furuya's series (Genkaku no Picasso right?)?
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3346/2174629490.jpg Alt Pic (http://blog.dorabibi.net/images/dorabibi11.jpg)
Obata worked on Furuya's Litchi Hikari Club (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=25496)

[p1xel]

Hey guys,I think that bakuman will end just in few chapters...and you?
I mean,Hattori planned all this for them to do a good manga+it`s a last chance to be in WSJ,so i think PCP is the final series.
Of course,by getting kicked from WSJ there opens a new plot to extend the manga,but i don`t think so...So predict guys!:P

[fizban]

Seems like it could be. The fact that we're getting one of the series from the story as a special chapter makes me think they are ready to wrap things up.

[Crude]

I doubt that its going to be over so soon. This story is something of a Bildungsroman, in other words, a story which focuses on the psychological and moral growth of the protagonist from youth to adulthood. Yes they are technically adults now, but they just started their new series, so they still have a lot to grow. The manga might end when they get an anime, but I think they're still going to create another series (named Bakuman perhaps :P?), as an example of Mangaka who create a succesful series, and the afterwards an even more succesful series (like Togashi with Yuu Yuu Hakusho and Hunter x Hunter).

Its definitely going to last longer than Death Note, despite its very fast pace.

[DidCart]

Some time ago I thought the series was going to an end. But reading the recent chapters the felling is the complete opposite. Now I think that they'll continue in WSJ, PCP'll get an anime, then we'll have an "anime arc", then they'll end PCP and start working on a new series. The problem here will be that PCP'll probably be a huge success and than they'll have a "what to do next as good as the last one" arc.

And these are just my basic predictions. I have a lot more. It's interesting to make predictions and see if they'll really happen or not. :P

[Kibate]

then they'll end PCP and start working on a new series.

Lolwhut? If they are actually able to do a series that will be better than natural and crow, then there is no way it will end just like that. Thats not how shonen jump works

[sylvira]

er. I think DidCart means it'll end after a good run and some closure? Not like dropping it immediately or something. :/

[Kibate]

er. I think DidCart means it'll end after a good run and some closure? Not like dropping it immediately or something. :/

i know what he meant, but like i said, thats not how shonen jump works. If something is popular, you continue to do it, wether you like it or not. Thats why bleach, naruto, dragonball etc. are where they are now. And thats why series like eyeshield21 got forced to continue after the moment where it was suppose to end(and then got cancelled because the forced continuation sucked, similar to what happened to deathnote)

[DidCart]

Well... We cant predict what's going on, but I'm pretty sure they will finish PCP in a near future. They'll be more popular than Eiji's series, but then, Eiji will come with something even better! That's Bakuman... that's how BAKUMAN works.

[fizban]

The only person who can say how Bakuman works is Eiji, as the story is actually being written by him. The series is going to end by panning out and showing that Eiji is actually writing everything that has happened as a third series for Jump.

[natli]

Maybe somebody said this before but PCP is like DeathNote. Both use main characters who commit perfect crimes with which readers CAN identify because they are morally defendable :)

[Kibate]

Maybe somebody said this before but PCP is like DeathNote. Both use main characters who commit perfect crimes with which readers CAN identify because they are morally defendable :)
I...no, not really...
Light kills people all around the world, while PCP guys just do pranks, you can't really compare these too^^"

[natli]

:D I just mean, it gives you a kick. To know you're breaking the rules and that you're uncatchable. It doesn't have to be a murder ;)

[tk_rout]

Just started reading Bakuman. Chapter 1 was interesting but ch 2 was boring, too much talking, some talks like 'who is smart and not' seem less important. But then I guess I have to bear with these talking and will keep on reading. I picked this manga because I want to know more about how publications work, mangaka's life and how they think and do etc !! I'm sure it will get interesting. Actually, I read ch.96 few weeks ago. That chapter talked about how rankings work in Jump. So I picked this series to know more.

[Arrogance]

Just started reading Bakuman. Chapter 1 was interesting but ch 2 was boring, too much talking, some talks like 'who is smart and not' seem less important. But then I guess I have to bear with these talking and will keep on reading. I picked this manga because I want to know more about how publications work, mangaka's life and how they think and do etc !! I'm sure it will get interesting. Actually, I read ch.96 few weeks ago. That chapter talked about how rankings work in Jump. So I picked this series to know more.
Definitely keep reading it! Its a manga that progresses with the careers of the mangaka so you will definitely get the insight you want into the process behind manga and its presented in a way that you get to love certain characters. As well it is presented in the perfect shounen way that you get the feeling or reading something awesome and epic when in actuality you just reading about mangakas writting manga. At the simplest form it really is just that, the process for mangakas and their manga and also their personal lives, but it gets much more complicated than that and gets presented in a very good way that keeps you reading. There is even the sense of competition and urgency when they put everything they got into trying to achieve something. If your someone who likes a well written and presented shounen and also wants to learn about the manga process then this is just for you. I hope you keep reading it and I hope to see you post more around here if you do :).

[Crude]

Question: Has Bakuman vol.1 by Viz been released in the UK yet? I'm going to Scotland tommorow and would love to buy it :)!

[Akiyama]

You are a lucky person Cross. I checked www.amazon.co.uk and www.bookstore.co.uk and both listed Bakuman 1 release date as September 2, tomorrow! xD Just locate some local bookstores and you will hopefully get yourself a copy.

[BBB Banana]

I saw bakuman 1 here in portugal at FNAC in english. And I saw volume 2 in a website but not sure about that I'll only believe when I see it in the store. I think it wasn't even released in the US.

[Googlez_kun]

Learn German and you can buy volume 1-6:XD

Does anyone else have the feeling that Bakuman will end soon?

[BBB Banana]

There's the possibilty that the volumes I saw were actually french since I didn't had the time to check them. I need to buy some french manga sometime to train my french.

[Crude]

Thanks for the info guys. I really am lucky that it comes out tommorow in the UK :D! I'd actually check Fnac, but the one I go to's manga section keeps decreasing in size and eventually disappearing, only to sometime later reappear and increase. The one I go to only sells English manga now, though there are a few French ones, though nothing compared to beforee (it used to all be in French).

[p1xel]

Uh,lucky ppl from USA.I will have to wait until it comes out in polish.Though Death Note is out in PL so probably Bakuman will be out too.

[Crude]

So I managed to get it! It was actually really tough, since I went to Edinburgh and they didn't have any in stock, but was then given the phone number to a bookstore in Glasgow which thankfully had some (only two to be honest). My dad went to Fnac yesterday and said he saw the first volume on sale, which left me :blink... I think it was the french edition though, but who knows :D?

[Magnus]

Ummm... can anyone tell me in which chapter Eiji did the textless chapter of Crow ? I forgot the number of that chapter and couldn't find it.

[Akiyama]

Chapter 95, pages 10 and 11.

[natli]

I have a silly question - why is this manga named 'Bakuman'?

[Akiyama]

The title of this manga is Bakuman。 It means bakuhatsu (explosion), bakuchi (gamble) and baku (an animal the supposidly eats dreams)... It has many meaning to it, and I think it's a very fun title.
-Takeshi Obata

From volume 2.
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http://www.s-manga.net/newcomic/index201101.html
Bakuman is getting a character databook, out December 29th along with vol. 11.

[Koen]

Yeah Aki, I think you are right with your first word. I always read it was a mix of two words in one bakuman = bakuhatsu + manga -> making bakuman as the explosive manga

[kakashi919]

Hey guys :tem

Anyone knows the kanji Eiji used when he claimed Ashirogi was his rival? It was a kanji thats used for both rival and friend(?). I can't seem to find which chapter it was though <_>
Searched google for it, but I don't know which one it really is, since there seems to be quite a bit.

[saladesu]

Hey guys :tem

Anyone knows the kanji Eiji used when he claimed Ashirogi was his rival? It was a kanji thats used for both rival and friend(?). I can't seem to find which chapter it was though <_>
Searched google for it, but I don't know which one it really is, since there seems to be quite a bit.

This is in chapter 76.

Eiji does not use a kanji, actually - he uses ライバル (raibaru), katakana which well, literally translates to "rival" :) However, he does go on to describe them as 「僕が一番好きでライバルであるマンガ家です」(the mangaka I like the best and who are my rivals). So it's not a single word that expressed the bit about Ashirogi both being rivals and friends to Eiji, but a phrase so to speak. Also, if you need to know the question, the TV host had asked who his enemy (敵) was.

Hope this helped :amuse

[kakashi919]

Ah. Thanks a lot :D

I really thought there was a page with a kanji and the translator left a note that it writes as rival but can also mean friend. Guess I was wrong :XD

Thanks again :thumbs

[aerobench]

Hi everyone! This is the first time I've been in mangahelpers and I found this site after I read Bakuman. I really love the manga since it brings us closer to our mangakas and makes us appreciate their effort and talent more than ever. I was hoping to post this as a comment but I don't know where to put comments for Bakuman. I rate the manga 5 out of 5 as well :)

[Koen]

Welcome, I moved your thread in the hang out thread since it isn't allowed to make a thread for that. You are new and it is comprehensible that you weren't aware of this. Glad to hear that you are joining Mangehelpers because of Bakuman. We hope to see you around and feel free to give active inputs in this section :)

[saladesu]

Just a heads-up to anyone living under a rock with regards to this :amuse

There will be no Bakuman chapter this week (or we should say next week which would be the official release date in Japan). Last issue was a double-issue. Expect the next chapter around the end of the year (30~31 Dec 2010 for spoilers + scanlation). The official release date for that chapter would be 4th Jan 2011.

Also, the following week will also be a break week. So the next next chapter of Bakuman (116) will be out on 18th Jan 2011 officially, but spoilers and scanlations can be expected around the 13th or 14th :)

If you're Bakuman-deprived as a result, I suggest posting some of whatever wild theories or ideas or thoughts you have on the series in the various discussion threads! :ohaielmo

Also, you might like to check out and even nominate Bakuman for some categories over at the first ever MangaHelpers Manga Awards (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2222750) :amuse

[suicune123]

Hey everyone, i just joined and im new to using forums. I love Bakuman but its hard to find people to talk to about it, thats why i joined this forum.

I think Mashiro is hot!!!!!!! and Azuki and him make the cutest couple EVER!!! looool
As the next issue is coming out in while, i wanted to ask you guys about what u think about takagi and myoshi? i mean takagi left miyoshi to work on rabuta, miyoshi was so upset, but i never saw him once apologise to her!!! i really feel mashiro and azuki's romance is paid most closely to than takagi and miyoshi's. does anyone else agree

[saladesu]

Hi suicune! ^^ Happy to have you join us here on MangaHelpers and more importantly in the Bakuman subforum! :nuts I am sure you will have a great time here! :thumbs

Regarding your question, you may discuss it in this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65858) which is specifically for discussing relationships in Bakuman. The general hang-out, as its name suggests, is more for random chit-chat about Bakuman :)

EDIT: Since you are new to the forum, I have helped you to "copy" the relevant part of your post over to the correct thread :) Please check it out in the link I gave earlier :amuse

[Akiyama]

These figurines (http://natalie.mu/comic/gallery/show/news_id/42649/image_id/62143) are adorable.

[Googlez_kun]

These figurines (http://natalie.mu/comic/gallery/show/news_id/42649/image_id/62143) are adorable.

Woah.Love them!I like the Crow one the best,Ko and Azuki are cute.

[sir_arles]

awesome! those look really cool :D
I'd love to have one T______T

[kakashi919]

Those are too cute for my liking -_-;

[saladesu]

I really like Crow and the main hero from Super Hero Legend :nuts

The human ones (I mean Saikou and the rest) look more cutesy than normal animanga figurines, not sure if that is a good thing. I think it suits Azuki well though ^^

[Ex14]

Heya, I'm really more of an anime person, but watching Bakuman really made me wanna read the manga (aka source material) Been enjoying it thus far and since I'm a sucker for romance , I really am all for Azuki and Mashiro innocent *albiet unrealistic* love.

Anyway hope i stay active here~ and nice to meet all u peeps

[tk_rout]

^welcome !
Finally some interesting chapters there.
Btw, "Shinjtsu no kyoushitsu" sounds similar to "Shingeki no Kyojin" ; I know their meanings are totally different...There was some rurmor saying how Shingeki no Kyojin's author was turned down by WSJ for not being jump like...but I don't how the rumors started but this story <ch.116 afterwards> of Nanamine sounds a bit similar.

[Crude]

Thats what I thought as well :D! And this Nanamine Arc does seem to sort of be inspired by the whole Shingeki no Kyojin situation.

[saladesu]

I thought this too, and posted that in the 118 discussion (but was kinda ignored :s)~ Well, I for one would not want Nanamine to succeed using this method of his, much less even get to the level of popularity and hype that Shingeki no Kyojin has.

As far as I know, the author of Shingeki no Kyojin didn't use any methods that were like what Nanamine's using, and besides, his art is nowhere near as good so I wouldn't call him a genius at all. While I've only read 1 volume, so far Shingeki n Kyojin doesn't seem THAT gripping or sensational, not in the way Shinjitsu no Kyoushitsu is made out to be like.

[basher]

Sorry never heard of Shingeki no Kyojin. I live in a hole. Small one. So couldn't really talk about it. What happened there? Background info please.

[igotthegoods]

Shinkegi no Kyojin (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66900) was rejected by the editors of Jump but became incredibly popular in Japan after being picked up by another magazine (Bessatsu Shonen). It's selling really well and is kind of known as the 'next big thing' over there. Like sally said, there's a ton of hype surrounding it. If it sounds at all interesting to you, I would suggest checking it out (even though only the first volume has been scanned so far). :amuse

[pestrofa]

bakuman is really good...but during the last week i watched again death note...i really want ohba and obata create a mystery story again...

[saladesu]

Maybe they will, sometime in the future :amuse I wonder if Ohba-sensei would end up working with Obata-sensei for a third time, though.

Honestly speaking I think Bakuman could be used as a sort of testing ground for Ohba-sensei's ideas. If s/he can describe the series through one of the mangaka in Bakuman, and Bakuman fan response is good, then Ohba-sensei would know that this is a series worth exploring in the future. S/he could even put out a one-shot under the guise of it being a spin-off from Bakuman (just like Otter #11) and see the response.

Death Note was good, and Ohba-sensei played the mystery/suspense card well. But what I like best about him/her is his/her versatility! It always amazes me how vastly different Death Note and Bakuman are, and yet how good both are :)

[perroloco]

From Shuho Sato the same manga creator that has been revelaing how some publisher works via twitter (Not in a good way Btw) and has been published his manga online comes Bokuman (http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2011/02/13/011/index.html), a seinen manga that will start in Action Manga #6 from Futabasha.

What do you think guys? Since its Shuho it will likely be Bakuman.. But inversed, what I mean is Shuho has been constantling making "angry" tweets of how publishers in Japan are bad and all that so I don´t think it will be as optimistic as Bakuman, in fact it might be a autobiographical work.. Who knows?
But I am sure it will be interesting :)

[tk_rout]

I'm curios about this series name. What does 'Bakuman' mean ? Why did they keep this name ?
Also, has anyone one read BAKUDAN (yeh ! sounds similar)? It was a manga that started in 1994 WSJ#42 but didn't last long , ended in early 1995. Since I haven't read the later I know nothing about it. Although, from its jump cover, it looks very much different from Bakuman.

[saladesu]

From Shuho Sato the same manga creator that has been revelaing how some publisher works via twitter (Not in a good way Btw) and has been published his manga online comes Bokuman (http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2011/02/13/011/index.html), a seinen manga that will start in Action Manga #6 from Futabasha.

What do you think guys? Since its Shuho it will likely be Bakuman.. But inversed, what I mean is Shuho has been constantling making "angry" tweets of how publishers in Japan are bad and all that so I don´t think it will be as optimistic as Bakuman, in fact it might be a autobiographical work.. Who knows?
But I am sure it will be interesting :)

Well, Bakuman isn't the only manga about the manga publishing industry :amuse There's also Mangaka-san to Assistant-san to (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=16197). It's interesting though, that this guy is actually getting published by the very manga industry he's bashing.

And the name "Bokuman" might be a play on "Bakuman", which is interesting too. Maybe he's making a point about the fact that the way the manga industry works in Japan doesn't let one write manga the way one wants to - "boku no manga" (my manga). Or like you said, an autobiographical kind of thing.


I'm curios about this series name. What does 'Bakuman' mean ? Why did they keep this name ?
Also, has anyone one read BAKUDAN (yeh ! sounds similar)? It was a manga that started in 1994 WSJ#42 but didn't last long , ended in early 1995. Since I haven't read the later I know nothing about it. Although, from its jump cover, it looks very much different from Bakuman.

Baku = 爆 from 爆発 (bakuhatsu), which means explosion. "Baku" on its own means an exclamation.

Man = 漫 from 漫画 (manga).

So you could say it's something like "explosive manga" or "manga explosion" or "manga exclamation" :amuse

I've never read this Bakudan manga before, but the word "bakudan" just means "bomb" (remember "baku" = explosion?). Just because they are one letter apart doesn't mean it's in any way similar to Bakuman :XD

[basher]

Whats Bokuman about?

Hmmm Bakuman means... not sure.
What was Bakudan about?

I know bakugan is about. So bakugan is game explosion?

Don't know any japanese. They are all aimed for kids so maybe something significant there.

[saladesu]

Probably about the ills of the manga publishing industry and stuff like that :/ I haven't read the Japanese article though, not too sure about this.

Don't know what Bakudan was about either, but judging from it's name "bomb", most likely a typical action shounen...

Bakugan (爆丸) - "gan" means circle, pill, etc. I don't really know much about Bakugan as a series at all, but "explosive circle" is my best guess :cookiestare

[perroloco]

I think Bakuman its a combination from:
Baku:
- Bakuhatsu(bomb)
- Bakuchi(gambling)
- Baku (monster which eat dreams)
Man:
-Probably from MANga.

Some theories suggest that its the name of the manga that the duo will publish and will final get an anime and all that, and I kinda like how all "Baku" meanings have some sort of relation to Bakuman, but specially the monster which eat dreams, because Bakuman in its core is all about people´s dreams.

@Saladesu: Yeah I thought so too, the "Boku No Manga" phrase, seems likely too.

EDIT: Holy sh1t! Now that I think about it Bakuman would be a good name for a series that finally gets an anime, the premise could be a Baku-man LOL (A monster which eat dreams i.e. BAKU, but is a huMAN) I imagine is something the duo could do, specially given how it would be not so mainstream like their usually targeted audience.

[saladesu]

Oh, right, I forgot about the Bakuchi (mentioned a lot at the start of Bakuman - bakuchiuchi/gambler) and Baku references :shakefist

I think the dream-eater part of it may be a reference to the fact that they don't achieve their dreams for a long time and they keep getting thwarted by various happenings (like after 120 chapters, still no anime, that kinda thing).

[eternanon]

Cut bottom parts away from letters of BAKUMAN and you get RAKIIMAN, Luckyman (the title of a manga by Ohba sensei = Gamou hiroshi sensei.)

[saladesu]

Wow... That's interesting! :omg Never knew that. And that is really cool! Especially on top of the already cool meanings behind the name "bakuman" as mentioned before. More evidence indeed to show that Ohba-sensei is indeed Gamou Hiroshi.

By the way, for those who don't know, Gamou-sensei was a gag mangaka and many believe his portrayal of Saikou's uncle is a sort of autobiography of himself :)

[eternanon]

"Downer side of BAKUMAN", a series of entries that Shoei Ishioka, an ex-Jump mangaka, has been posting on his blog recently. It's very interesting and funny (maybe tragic too); I think it's worthwhile for someone to translate them. Google "ishioka shoei twitter," then you'll find in his profile the link to his blog.

[saladesu]

"Downer side of BAKUMAN", a series of entries that Shoei Ishioka, an ex-Jump mangaka, has been posting on his blog recently. It's very interesting and funny (maybe tragic too); I think it's worthwhile for someone to translate them. Google "ishioka shoei twitter," then you'll find in his profile the link to his blog.

I'll check it out soon and translate if I have time :p

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Remember the MangaHelpers Manga Awards just a month ago? Well, we now bring you...

:yay The MangaHelpers Anime Awards (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=931) :yay

Do nominate Bakuman or any of your favorite anime series for the various categories~! :amuse

[Knifeshade]

All this talk about the Bakuman title makes me wonder why there are two diifferent translated Chinese versions. I've seen it being called 爆漫, where the first kanji means explosion and the latter is the "man" in manga, and the other more widely used is 食梦者 which has a completely different meaning. Literally meaning "person who eats dreams", which I'll credit it to really mean "Dream chaser" referring to Mashiro and Azuki's promise.

=/

[eternanon]

If baku and man were supposed to mean Baku, a kind of imaginary animal that is said to feed on dream, and Manga respectively, the problem would be that of deciding the relation between them.

There is one very famous manga-industry manga whose title includes one animal and manga as well, it is "Saru demo kakeru manga kyoushitsu," which is almost always shorten as SaruMan; its official English title is Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2010-07-15).
So I think that we may translate Bakuman in a parallel manner into even a baku can draw manga, or rather, Only a Baku Can Draw Manga!

Omake: Bakugan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI39jiT3cvY)

[basher]

Bakugan (爆丸) - "gan" means circle, pill, etc. I don't really know much about Bakugan as a series at all, but "explosive circle" is my best guess :cookiestare

Makes sense. My boy watches it. Its about a sphere that pops open to reveal a monster from another world. They fight each other in "battles". They throw down a card and the monster has to roll onto the card in order to "fight". Hit points and card come into play. So think pokemon + yu gi oh.

[eternanon]

I've just learned that this great action figure comes out. Did you know it?
Real Action Heroes : 529 Bakuman Niiduma Eiji (http://www.yesasia.com/us/real-action-heroes-529-bakuman-niiduma-eiji/1023886908-0-0-0-en/image-gallery.html)

[saladesu]

I'm a bit confused by this piece of news, but I think the official anime websites may update with more info on Monday (the day Jump is supposed to go on sale). When that happens I'll update here too.

Anyway, according to this page (http://www.manga4lifez.com/bakuman/bakuman-122/02-1052.html#joomimg), it seems Obata will be drawing 4 manga manuscripts: TRAP (Ashirogi Muto), KIYOSHI (Fukuda), hideout door (Aoki x Nakai) and Colorfusical (KOOGY) :D Either I'm blind or I can't seem to find anything about where we are going to find these.

I'm guessing it will be in the anime itself...? I'm really not sure. Either way, this does sound exciting. Vastly different art styles will be a treat from Obata, not to mention just being able to read these 4 mangas like we were able to read Otter #11. However, since it's "manuscript" I dunno if it's gonna be the full version...

[kakashi919]

That sounds pretty interesting.If it's true, I for one would really like to read TRAP. Maybe he should also do Money and Intelligence :tem

[saladesu]

This is a special project for the Golden Future Cup arc in the manga, which is why it's just these 4 series that were drawn for the Golden Future Cup :amuse

Would indeed be awesome to see other manga from the Bakumanverse, though! :grin

[Newkerzy]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2011-03-10


By the time Toriyama finally ended Dr. Slump, it must have seemed like he couldn't get any more successful… or maybe he just wondered what he would do next. Enter the manga editor. The fundamental clash in every manga artist's life is between the artist and their editor, who is sometimes the artist's friend but also has the job of keeping them on schedule and pressuring them to take the more commercial path. Toriyama's editor was Kazuhiko Torishima, who was immortalized as the evil Dr. Mashirito in Dr. Slump; Torishima is still in the industry today and even appears under his own name in Bakuman., in which he is depicted ripping an artist's original artwork to shreds just to shock them into producing better work.

Can someone point out to me which chapter that had this Torishima guy in Bakuman???

[saladesu]

I don't remember this guy appearing, so if he did appear it wasn't as his own name o.o

I think Sasaki may be based off him though? We don't know enough about Sasaki in real life (afaik), though there is a real-life Sasaki who looks like the Sasaki in Bakuman... I mean, Hattori Akira takes his name from the real-life OP editor Hattori Akira, but his appearance is totally different, so it's possible Bakuman's Sasaki's traits were taken from this Torishima.

[Newkerzy]

Which one was Sasaki, by the way?? I totally forgot.

[R4n]

It is one of the Jump party chapter. Maybe it is the New Year Party, i don't really remember. Torishima appeared and made a speech. (i think?)

[saladesu]

Sasaki is the editor in chief. The guy Ashirogi go to see when they want to get Tanto canceled :)

Hmm, if it was a New Year Party (or a function, in any case) that Torishima appeared at, then why was he ripping someone's manuscript up? :XD (did this happen? Or did the article get its facts wrong?)

[R4n]

I don't know if any of you had watched it already or not... there is an episode in Saki-Yomi Jump Bang TV show in which they compare the editors in Bakuman with their models.
Sasaki really looks like the counterpart.

I lost the link, sorry. Maybe it is still in youtube if it hasn't got taken down yet...

[saladesu]

Here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49742)'s the thread about it :amuse I watched it too (which is why I mentioned 4 posts above about Sasaki looking similar to his real-life counterpart, vs Hattori who didn't). I think the video is gone already, though. But the thread has some screenshots :)

[akoftroy]

When Mashiro talks about an editor who moved him towards the end of Volume 1, we seen an editor who looks sort of like Torishima. It's not acknowledged that it's him but people assume so since Mashiro said he ended up becoming editor in chief. Torishima does show up in volume 5 though and makes an "inspiring(?)" speech to Ashirogi.

[saladesu]

The North American manga publisher Viz Media with release the fourth volume of the manga Bakuman. on its iPad manga app on Monday, March 28 — a week before its print edition hits bookstores on April 5. To promote the release, Viz announced on Monday that it is allowing users to download the first volume of Bakuman. for free until noon Tuesday PST.

original source (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-03-14/viz-launches-next-bakuman-book-digitally-before-print)

That's pretty cool, and kinda apt in some ways that Bakuman is the first to get this treatment. E-manga isn't anything new, but it's something I think I would also like to see featured/mentioned in Bakuman some time down the road.
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In case you were wondering who those temporary overlords with their names in black who came to spam the Bakuman forum with their bad English were... Well as you might have guessed, it was an April Fool's Joke! :XD

Read njt's posts before (http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/557) and after (http://mangahelpers.com/news/details/549) these temporary overlords started overtaking MH, and guess who each of them were here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69063)!

[Salce]

Is it truth that Reborn! and Bakuman have the same editor?

[saladesu]

No idea about that :sweat If editors change fairly often (OP has had 7 editors over the course of 13 years, so say once every two years or less?), any info you found on that might also be outdated by now :)

[Quaro1987]

(OP has had 7 editors over the course of 13 years,

Link please. Do they also have what those editors worked on, and which arcs they edited?

[Googlez_kun]

Well,Hoshino-sensei(D.Gray-man) had two different editors in JUMP.The first one was Yoshida,which i think was the inspiration for Yoshida-shi in Bakuman.Hoshino always suffered under him nearly the same way Hiramaru is suffering(thinking about it now,this makes me love Hiramaru even more:lmao).Somewhere around volume 13 her new editor became Nakaji(i think that was his name).In 2009 she moved to Square and got a new editor(can't think of his name now),so during those 5 years in JUMP she had two editors,which means that 2 years seems like the average time for an editor.
I wonder how many editors Kochikame had.

[saladesu]

Quarro, sorry I forgot to reply (when I saw your post I was on my phone and thought I'd reply later but I forgot :sweat)... Anyway, here's (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2361387#post2361387) where we get information about OP having had 7 editors over its 13 years :) Sorry they don't have info on which arcs were edited by whom.

Thanks for the info, Googz! That was interesting - I didn't know D.G-M also underwent such frequent (?) editor changes. I also wonder how many Kochikame has had, or other of Jump's longer series like Naruto and Bleach, and if such frequent editor changes are evident in Jump/Shueisha only.

[Tick]

@Googlez_kun

When Hoshino went to Jump Square, Yoshida became her editor again.
I think she said that at the freetalk of some of the volume of the manga. It was on volume 19 or 20, I don't remember exacly.

[saladesu]

Get ready for some... BakuHAM. :rofl No, I'm serious. This totally cracked me up when I realized it said "Bakuham." and not "Bakuman." :lmao

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6823/newslargebakumanfair.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/newslargebakumanfair.jpg/)

This is the key promo design for an event at Denny's, a family restaurant in Japan. It says "Bakuham. Everyone's Hamburger". You will get one of 4 clearfiles you can get when you order a particular item at Denny's during the fair and each clearfile looks similar to a Bakuman tank (http://natalie.mu/comic/gallery/show/news_id/48086/image_id/72747).

(original jp source (http://natalie.mu/comic/news/48086))

I still can't get over BakuHAM... :imslow
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Next week is Golden Week, meaning that there won't be Jump. In lieu of reading manga, why not participate in MangaHelpers' very own Scavenger Hunt (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2404090)!? :nuts This hunt will challenge your knowledge about manga, anime and MangaHelpers and will be a fun and refreshing way to spend an otherwise mundane week without manga. Hope to see you there! :thumbs

[R4n]

HAHAHAHAHA, 'BakuHAM' :D:D
What's next? BakuDork? BakuFans? BakuGirl? Aw, the potential for lame puns is limitless. xD

I love how they change the pens into fork and knife. What a nice touch. :tem

[Googlez_kun]

Does anyone think Ohba and Obata still have an editor?Both of them have a lot of experience and I mean,they are writing a manga about manga(-ka) and Ohba seems to know more than enough about JUMP and how it works.
It sometimes seems as if they could be editors themselves.
Well,maybe they need someone who keeps them in check,so that they don't bash JUMP too much:lmao

Btw. Sasaki tweeted this about Kochikame:

@SASAKI_Hisashi SHONENJUMP SASAKI
I used to be the editor in charge of #Kochikame. I was the 4th editor. The current editor is 10th.
Kochikame is running for more than 35 years now.

[saladesu]

I'm sure they do. I don't think there is ANY series out there without an editor, no matter how experienced the mangaka may be. Even Kochi Kame has an editor and Akimoto has been at it for more than 35 years (more than enough time to gain lots and lots of experience!), even the best-selling One Piece has an editor. Maybe the editor just has less work to do because of the experience they have, but each series should definitely still have an editor.

And like you said, they'd definitely need an editor to tell them if and when they step over any lines in criticizing Shueisha/revealing too much etc :p

[R4n]

Seeing how they give an inexperienced, new editor for Oda-sensei... i think it is farfetched to think Bakuman doesn't have an editor :tem

[SHINOBI-03]

I'm sure they do. I don't think there is ANY series out there without an editor, no matter how experienced the mangaka may be. Even Kochi Kame has an editor and Akimoto has been at it for more than 35 years (more than enough time to gain lots and lots of experience!), even the best-selling One Piece has an editor. Maybe the editor just has less work to do because of the experience they have, but each series should definitely still have an editor.

And like you said, they'd definitely need an editor to tell them if and when they step over any lines in criticizing Shueisha/revealing too much etc :p

Does Kubo have an editor? If he does, he needs a better one or his series will never get better.

[saladesu]

Yes, Kubo has an editor. Previously he was shown to be Hattori Yuujirou, but we don't know if his editor has changed since then.

[alphabeta]

Are there even any mangaka who don't have an editor?

[Akiyama]

@alphabeta - Having an editor is the best thing a person could possible have, they are basically your sponsor and communicator to the publishing company. The best thing is probably that they pick up the manuscripts so you don't have to go turn them in every week. I don't know if some doesn't have one though, most likely everyone at shueisha does.

While browsing vol. 12 I noticed Takagi was reading the 1st Death Note chapter in WSJ issue from 2004, #01.
http://gi344.photobucket.com/groups/p335/QGSD523LVJ/th_Issue_01.jpg (http://gi344.photobucket.com/groups/p335/QGSD523LVJ/Issue_01.jpg) - http://gi344.photobucket.com/groups/p335/QGSD523LVJ/th_Takagi.png (http://gi344.photobucket.com/groups/p335/QGSD523LVJ/Takagi.png)

[saladesu]

Bakuman is the sixth best-selling manga for the first half of 2011, according to Oricon (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-31/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2011-first-half) :fiesta Not to mention having volumes rank in at #17 (vol 11) and #24 (vol 12) on the top 50 volumes chart (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-31/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-volume/2011-first-half) :)

Most surprising perhaps is the fact that it beat Bleach in overall sales for the first half of 2011. It is probably the anime's effect on boosting sales of its earlier volumes though. But I suspect it will not be very long before Bakuman overtakes Bleach in average volume sales :amuse

[sir_arles]

That's pretty cool :D

But I don't really think it will top Bleach in average volume sales in the future. I hope I'm wrong, though. No bleach fan here, and I do recognize it's been struggling lately popularity-wise... but I see bakuman as a cult manga, not a mainstream one, so maybe that's the reason why I think it won't overtake a typical famous battle manga like Bleach.

Once again, I hope I'm wrong =P

[BBB Banana]

Hum... Anyone else noticed that there is a real manga called Seigi no Mikata as well as TRAP? :lmao

They have nothing to do with the bakuman mangas themewise but found it curious :amuse

[saladesu]

Yeah, that's cool! The idea of a "Seigi no Mikata" (ally of justice) is pretty common though, so I'm not surprised there's a real manga by that name.

Another interesting thing I discovered when doing research into that Nijuu Mensou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nij%C5%AB_Mens%C5%8D) guy mentioned in chapter 136, his rival is called Akechi - the same name as PCP's rivals! :XD

[BBB Banana]

Haha :XD Maybe Obah get inspiration for various places XD

I was trying to figure out who was Eiji inspired by after that little talk on the WSJ thread. I once though he could be Oda, but as you guys said Toriko's author could be the one.

I also thought of Inoue Takehiko because towards the conclusion of slam dunk he made a wordless chapter just like eiji with crow :o

[Googlez_kun]

According to Sasaki's twitter,Heishi-san is the new Editor-in-Chief.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5585/bakuman1268697kopie.png
I wonder if they'll change it in Bakuman...

[saladesu]

Interestingly, the year is already 2016 in Bakuman and yet Sasaki is still the EIC :XD I don't think Ohba will bother (or should bother) to change it, unless it actually affects the story in any way...

[perroloco]

IIRC there is a manga named CROW (Or CROWS) too.

[Animeace]

Sj is holding a story board contest and grand prize winner will be featured in bakuman see all details here> Shonen Jump Magazine (http://shonenjump.viz.com/sj-storyboard-contest)

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx29/JDSZ/bakuman.jpg

Great thing about story board you dont have to be all that great of drawer, I might give this a try tho I know chances of winning are 0.XD

[dirtywork]

i like "pcp" more than bakuman though it's really interesting to read a little of this ...

[saladesu]

That's an interesting perspective. What makes you prefer PCP to Bakuman?

[dirtywork]

well i like detective type manga like "Death note" and "Konan" it is really intresting and i don't really like fighting type manga that's all

[Googlez_kun]

Sorry for the random question,but does anybody know if the "Otter #11" One-shot will be released in one of the volumes?

[saladesu]

I don't think it has been announced yet, but who knows! It would be really nice if other Bakuman series got one-shots like Otter and there was a compilation of them :XD

[Googlez_kun]

Wow,that would be...i can't even put the awesomeness into words!If they decided to do it,they should imitate a real WSJ issue,so that you have Crow with the lead color,PCP with the center color and the rest in their respective places.
That would be great:wtf

[saladesu]

Too bad tankoubons usually don't have color pages D: Though they could do something like the One Piece log books which include all the color pages and looks quite like a WSJ issue (except instead of the Jump logo/heading it's One Piece).

[Googlez_kun]

Oh yeah,i've 'read' one of these once.
Obata and Ohba are quite famous,so it's not too far-fetched,but i still doubt we'll see anything like this,especially because they are probably too lazy for that:XD

[Akiyama]

Otter #11 was published in January within Charaman, the character book.

[Googlez_kun]

Otter #11 was published in January within Charaman, the character book.

Oh,thanks for the information!

And now that you mention the character book,was it actually scanned or something?

[MRachu]

After seeing the last chapter i saw between the pages the anouncement that there i going to be a novelization,is it true?i mean who is going to do it?when o what ?
Does somebody knows?

[saladesu]

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[SHINOBI-03]

RedHawksScans got hit by the DMCA. http://www.redhawkscans.com/showthread.php?4677-DMCA-Notice-of-Copyright-Infringement-Beelzebub-amp-Bakuman&

[alphabeta]

RedHawksScans got hit by the DMCA. http://www.redhawkscans.com/showthread.php?4677-DMCA-Notice-of-Copyright-Infringement-Beelzebub-amp-Bakuman&

Well, that was predictable after what happened to MS.

Still, sad news.

[suicune123]

what does this mean then?

[TemplateR]

what does this mean then?

nothing special, they don´t just upload on their reader-manga site.
So that means, they will doing their scanlations with the mangas "Bakuman" and "Beelzebub".

[FrostyMouse]

As Template said, it's hard to stop the people involved. Even though MS no longer exists, it's not like the people have stopped scanning. Instead of having their own hosting site, they'll just upload their scans somewhere else.

With RedHawk, as their post says, they'll just allow their scans to trickle out, but they won't be hosting anything anymore.

[alphabeta]

I wonder, was there ever a Bakuman pilot chapter? Anyone has any info on this matter?

[Googlez_kun]

I wonder, was there ever a Bakuman pilot chapter? Anyone has any info on this matter?

There wasn't.

[blade5468]

I wonder, was there ever a Bakuman pilot chapter? Anyone has any info on this matter?

Ohba and Obata had enough street credit to go straight to serialization at that point, I think. Regardless, there wasn't one.

[Knifeshade]

Funny thought of the day: I wonder if Bakuman is possible to turn into a video game.

Even Death Note had a video game to its name, though it probably has a better premise. But still, would be hilarious if somebody ever attempted one. I would put good money on it being a dating sim.

[alphabeta]

Funny thought of the day: I wonder if Bakuman is possible to turn into a video game.

Even Death Note had a video game to its name, though it probably has a better premise. But still, would be hilarious if somebody ever attempted one. I would put good money on it being a dating sim.

I can see it more of an RPG, you know. Power-ups are new drawing techniques or different pens. Fighting against other players/mangaka is by competing in the ToC results. Something like that.

Or it could be from the editor's POV. Similiar to a football management game.

[Knifeshade]

It can be a dating sim and an RPG. A la Harvest Moon. You play as Mashiro and have the ability to hook up with Iwase, Aoki and Kaya as well as Azuki. It'll be a pairing war galore. 8D

[alphabeta]

In this case, every series that has a female cast could be turned into a dating sim game. I was thinking about something "bakuman only" related.

[Nognir]

There IS a Bakuman game, you know. On DS. It's called: "Bakuman: Mangaka e no Michi (Bakuman: Path to a mangaka)".

[Knifeshade]

ZOMG HAHAHA. SO THERE IS. XD Couldn't tell what the heck the gamplay is like from the trailer though. Too much storytelling.


In this case, every series that has a female cast could be turned into a dating sim game. I was thinking about something "bakuman only" related.Guess you haven't played Harvest Moon and/or Rune Factory, then.

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[SHINOBI-03]

Hey guys, just to let you know, I have Japanese Bakuman volumes from 1 to 7 that I want to sell. If anyone is interested, PM me to negotiate.

[•Sasuke•]

http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=48537970

chapter 170 ch scan

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[外国人]

Dammit, Why are the spoilers always in Chinese?
I want to read it!:gwah

[Heike]

Well, well, well, seems like a lot of things are going on in this week's release... Love the cover! And is it just me or the girl on Miho's right is kinda hot? Were it Japanese I would have at least a bit of understanding, dang the language barrier!

I liked that the middle schoolers came up to talk to Mashiro! Somehow very refreshing. Can't wait for a detailed summary now and I damn hope we get to see more of that girl on the right haha ;D

[Marche]

I really want a summeries, so I could understand what happened.
Also if in the truth I have already a suspect about it.

[ninja jamal]

THanks •Sasuke• for the update!!
I apologizes for my bad grammar


Slogan on the title page: The battle between the girls begins.
We begin with Mashiro is having breakfast. He is being bugged by both the tv show and his mom talking about his relationship.

Mashiro stops by a store and gets recognize by a few students from his old high school. They asks for his signature

Back to the workshop, Kaya has a magazine that rank the vocal actress weekly. Miho has gotten to third place.
Kaya suggests perhaps by next week, Miho will reach first place.
Takagi says it will be less likely because the votes are mostly from fans. Most fans still feel negative about the relationship and marriage. However, Takagi suggests other than these fans, most people are very positive about the relationship. With that support, Miho should gets the part without a problem.
Mashiro reply, Can that be consider getting the part with her own ability right??
Takagi says Mashiro is over thinking it.
Both of them go back on finishing the name.

Miho receives a commercial deal. However she wants to spend more time practicing for the role.
The agent suggests the commercial will help boost her fame, and help her with the testing.
but Miho still denies and she says getting the part with hard work, and bringing out a performance that will get everyone's recognition is more important anything right now.

The production house is having discussion about the relationship.
Thanks to the relationship, the animation also gets alot more attention.
The director Ehara wishes to find the right voice through testing.
the producer Konaka says yes, but in terms of fame or noise, Miho will win for sure.

At the meeting, Hattori compliment the two always able to bring out greatness at the worst situation. In his head, he believe these two kids, no with Miho's strength as well, they can all makes their dreams become reality.
Hattori says the sales has gone up. Zombie gets a million and fifty thousand copies, and Reverse has eight hundred thirty thousand copies. Takagi is excited and suggests that with the news and the noises out there, their sale with get even higher.
Mashiro is thinking if this really able to show their skills as a manga artist. Are people buying the manga really because of their talent? Even though, both Miho and himself didn't mean to create such a commotion at the beginning.

Back at Jump's office, there are still alot of phone calls reach the office about the relationship.
They are all negative about the relationship. The discussion concludes Miho being selected or not, there will be alot more phone calls coming in and bother the office.

At the meeting, the producer said he doesn't support the idea, but the director really wishes to do "this". There is no rejection yet, however, they will wait for Ashirogi's approval first...

The next day, the production team visits the workplace and have a meeting with Ashirogi there.
Two new characters present themselves from a company called Together movie.
Takagi recognizes the company being an online anime broadcast company.
It appears the production house wants to do a public vocal test.
They will select 20 vocal actors for the test, and it will be posted and voted by public.
Takagi worries it might not end well for Miho since most fans that vote won't be supportive for Miho. On top of that, since this anime is at a hot broadcasting spot, alot of the vocal actress who enters the test will be the top notch of the industry. It will be even harder for Miho to win.
The producer, Hattori and Takagi both suggests not to do this, just do a "representation" vocal test will be fine.
However, the director says he is the one proposes the public voting. He heard the radio broadcast before, and feels very touch. He believes this is the best way to show Miho can get the part with her talent and skills.

Mashiro reply,"representation" vocal test is pointless. He wants Miho to get the part more than anyone, however, it's even more important to win through real skills and talent. If this public vocal test is able to show the real skills and talent, then I agree.
Takagi suggests, this test might become more like a fame contest more than a skill contest.
Mashiro reply it's better than people call Miho takes the backdoor.
Miho has been practicing the role alot earlier than anyone. She pours her heart out to get the character right. No matter how many popular or talented vocal actress there are, Miho will beat them all. No, if she can't beat them all, she has no right to be the voice of Naho.
So please let go with the Public Vocal Test!!

[FrostyMouse]

Not sure I overly like this "Public Vocal Test" idea, but I'm sure it'll go well...

[Heike]

Slogan on the title page: The battle between the girls begins.
We start with Mashiro having breakfast. He is being bugged by both the tv show and his mom talking about his relationship.

Mashiro stops by a store and gets recognized by a few students from his old high school. They ask for his signature.

Back to the workshop, Kaya has a magazine that ranks the vocal actresses weekly. Miho has gotten to third place.
Kaya suggests perhaps by next week, Miho will reach first place.
Takagi says it will be less likely because the votes are mostly from fans. Most fans still feel negative about the relationship and marriage. However, Takagi suggests other than these fans, most people are very positive about the relationship. With that support, Miho should get the part without a problem.
Mashiro replies, that whether it can that be consider as getting the part with her own ability?
Takagi says Mashiro is over thinking it.
Both of them go back to finishing the name.

Miho receives a commercial deal. However she wants to spend more time practicing for the role.
The agent suggests the commercial will help boost her fame, and help her with the testing.
but Miho still denies and she says getting the part with hard work, bringing out a performance that will get everyone's recognition is more important than anything right now.

The production house is having a discussion about the relationship.
Thanks to the relationship, the animation also got a lot more attention.
The director Ehara wishes to find the right voice through testing.
the producer Konaka says yes, but in terms of fame or voice, Miho will win for sure.

At the meeting, Hattori compliments the two about how they always are able to bring out greatness at the worst situation. In his head, he believes these two kids, no with Miho's strength as well, they can all make their dreams become reality.

Hattori says the sales have gone up. Zombie gets 1.050.000 copies, and Reversi has 830.000 copies. Takagi is excited and suggests that with the news and the noises out there, their sales will get even higher.
Mashiro is thinking if this really will be able to show their skills as manga artists. Are people buying the manga really because of their talent? Even though, both Miho and himself didn't mean to create such a commotion at the beginning.

Back at Jump's office, there are still a lot of phone calls reaching the office about the relationship.
They are all negative. The discussion concluded that if Miho is selected or not, there will be a lot more phone calls coming in and bother the office.

At the meeting, the producer said he doesn't support the idea, but the director really wishes to do "this". There is no rejection yet, however, they will wait for Ashirogi's approval first...

The next day, the production team visits the workplace and have a meeting with Ashirogi there.
Two new characters present themselves from a company called Together movie.
Takagi recognizes the company as being an online anime broadcast company.
It appears the production house wants to do a public vocal test.

They will select 20 voice actors for the test, and it will be posted to and voted by the public.
Takagi worries it might not end well for Miho since most of the fans that will vote won't be supportive of Miho. On top of that, since this anime is a hot broadcasting item, a lot of the voice actresses who enter the test will be the top notch of the industry. It will be even harder for Miho to win.

The producer, Hattori and Takagi both suggest not to do this, just do a "representation" vocal test and it will be fine.
However, the director says he is the one who proposed the public voting. He heard the radio broadcast before, and feels very touched. He believes this is the best way to show Miho can get the part with her talent and skills.

Mashiro replies,"representation" as a vocal test is pointless. He wants Miho to get the part more than anyone, however, it's even more important to win through real skills and talent. If this public vocal test is able to show the real skills and talent, then he agrees.

Takagi suggests, that this test might become more like a fame contest more so than a skill contest.
Mashiro replies it's better than people calling Miho to take the backdoor.
Miho has been practicing fpr the role a lot earlier than anyone. She pours her heart out to get the character right. No matter how many popular or talented voice actresses there are, Miho will beat them all. No, if she can't beat them all, she has no right to be the voice of Naho.
So please let's go with the Public Vocal Test!!

Thank you !

Fixed. My eyes are bleeding :gwah so sleepy...

Gotta say got more than I thought... I like how Mashiro stands for true ability and they sure are raising Reversi's popularity, gonna be a hit when it comes out... If Miho went from 1st to 3rd it ain't as bad.. though would be better to get the vote count to realize the difference.

[Knifeshade]

In the future, Heike, PM Ninja Jamal if you want to correct his/her grammar rather than making a post. It's kinda like reposting the same thing.

- - - - - - - -

If this were reality, you know the public poll will get trolled to hell and back in favour of anybody but Azuki. Takagi's earlier note about the monthly poll in Seiyuu Fan More holds some truth.

But since this is manga, I guess it'll go well in the end. Will be interesting to see how Obata and Ohba illustrate something that's more vocal-specific rather than visual. My guess would be they just come up with some seiyuu names and quickly skip to the poll and suspense...which will feel boring.

[FrostyMouse]

[COLOR="seagreen"]If this were reality, you know the public poll will get trolled to hell and back in favour of anybody but Azuki. Takagi's earlier note about the monthly poll in Seiyuu Fan More holds some truth.

But since this is manga, I guess it'll go well in the end. Will be interesting to see how Obata and Ohba illustrate something that's more vocal-specific rather than visual. My guess would be they just come up with some seiyuu names and quickly skip to the poll and suspense...which will feel boring.

Most likely it'll be bad, but I'll make it through. While I've been a bit disappointed in some of the more recent chapters, seeing Azuki is better than not seeing her.

[Heike]

In the future, Heike, PM Ninja Jamal if you want to correct his/her grammar rather than making a post. It's kinda like reposting the same thing.

Got it, sorry for causing you trouble :)



If this were reality, you know the public poll will get trolled to hell and back in favour of anybody but Azuki. Takagi's earlier note about the monthly poll in Seiyuu Fan More holds some truth.

My guess would be they just come up with some seiyuu names and quickly skip to the poll and suspense...which will feel boring.

I kinda wanna support the realism because that's what keeps this manga going, even the characters are shaped to some extent after real people.

About your guess I have a shaky feeling that that's what's going to happen while I do hope that the duo won't disappoint me :3c There's this feeling, you know :hip

[Nognir]

So this is how it's gonna be... Some more hurdles towards the dream. It normally sounds like stretching the story and delaying the ending, but I bet that O&O can pull it off without getting boring. Interesting...

[blade5468]

Heike, I'm 99% sure that if we consider the context, he meant "let go" as "let's go" and not "stop."
Like, PLEASE LET'S GO WITH THE PUBLIC TEST, because Mashiro is supportive of it. He doesn't want them to stop it, but yeah. Just my two cents.

[ninja jamal]

Heike, I'm 99% sure that if we consider the context, he meant "let go" as "let's go" and not "stop..

You are correct!
I apologizes that my mistake cause more confusion
I am usually in a rush, and also wants to get it out as soon as possible
so other fans can enjoy it as early as they can
just wondering... do people prefer a short summaries or abit more into the dialogue and details?

[protomelvin]

You are correct!
I apologizes that my mistake cause more confusion
I am usually in a rush, and also wants to get it out as soon as possible
so other fans can enjoy it as early as they can
just wondering... do people prefer a short summaries or abit more into the dialogue and details?

I usually like with details, but dialogue isn't necessary if you don't have much time ^^

[MRachu]

Mmm the interesting part is when they said "public"
to me its obvious that something big is going to happen when azuki is there
(like ishizawa smacks her with a pie or something)
this would never hapen in real life, they would do something online and
count votes but i think they are going to REALLY give her a bad time doing it
and she is going to show how bad she really wants to do the role
and she loses by votes but every one is touched, change their minds and credits
O and azuki and miho will get pregnant a the same time or something

[OtakuModeEngage]

So... how exactly do you drawl vocal talent? It seems rather hard. Therefore, I think if we are given any visual of the contest, then it will focus on their facial expressions and body movements while they read the parts they're buying for. I know that sounds weird, why would a Seiyuu need to act when all that's being recorded is their voice? But oddly, they get completely immersed in their rolls. Sorry if you don't like One Piece, but this is a brilliant example of what I mean. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2TNFElEGWc So it is entirely possible to depict the contest of voices through art... rather, I feel it would be boring if they didn't include some portion of the contest in the manga, and had O&O chosen not to do the contest at all, and just give Azuki the part, it would feel too easy, too contrived.

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Regardless, I believe Azuki has the talent and drive to produce an amazing quality of voice acting, such that even Otakus who hate her will be drawn in by her voice. Not to mention, most Japanese people are not Otaku, and therefore, don't hold Seiyuus at the goddess standard that Otaku do. And while its true these non-Otaku are normally not the type to engage in Anime polls, it has been clearly stated that there is a significant populace of non-Otaku who have become Azuki's supporters. Whether its for her voice or her dream, I believe most of us her would vote for Azuki if such a case was exhibited in real life. Likewise, the majority of Japanese -who are clear thinkers, without the hypocracy to judge Seiyuus as their objective property to be regulated and maintained 'pure'-, will pull for her. Well at any rate, that's how the world should work, and thus that is how it will happen in jump.

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On another note, thanks so much for the raw!!! Knifeshade, might you be producing a translated scan? If so, I your humble servant, faithfully await its blessed arrival.

[Knifeshade]

So... how exactly do you drawl vocal talent? It seems rather hard. Therefore, I think if we are given any visual of the contest, then it will focus on their facial expressions and body movements while they read the parts they're buying for. I know that sounds weird, why would a Seiyuu need to act when all that's being recorded is their voice? But oddly, they get completely immersed in their rolls. Sorry if you don't like One Piece, but this is a brilliant example of what I mean. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2TNFElEGWc So it is entirely possible to depict the contest of voices through art... rather, I feel it would be boring if they didn't include some portion of the contest in the manga, and had O&O chosen not to do the contest at all, and just give Azuki the part, it would feel too easy, too contrived.Probably. It's just that this chapter has "UPCOMING BATTLE TO THE DEATH FOR 'NAHO' GOOO" written all over it for the next chapter. So I'm kinda expecting stuff like we see during ferocious manga making and "manga battles". And then I was like "how the heck will they illustrate the atmosphere?". Like I said earlier, if they skip it, it'd be boring.


Regardless, I believe Azuki has the talent and drive to produce an amazing quality of voice acting, such that even Otakus who hate her will be drawn in by her voice. Not to mention, most Japanese people are not Otaku, and therefore, don't hold Seiyuus at the goddess standard that Otaku do. And while its true these non-Otaku are normally not the type to engage in Anime polls, it has been clearly stated that there is a significant populace of non-Otaku who have become Azuki's supporters. Whether its for her voice or her dream, I believe most of us her would vote for Azuki if such a case was exhibited in real life. Likewise, the majority of Japanese -who are clear thinkers, without the hypocracy to judge Seiyuus as their objective property to be regulated and maintained 'pure'-, will pull for her. Well at any rate, that's how the world should work, and thus that is how it will happen in jump.Not entirely true. Not saying you're wrong but it feels a bit naïve. Being a public poll is one thing, but who will be interested in the poll is another. Picking the seiyuu for an anime isn't exactly breaking news headline material. Logically speaking, only anime/manga/seiyuu fans and Studio 92 fans will take notice of it.

[sekida]

And then I was like "how the heck will they illustrate the atmosphere?". Like I said earlier, if they skip it, it'd be boring.

I think, Ohba will draw Miho that looks like she's really standing out to the other seiyuus. A whole page or a spread that she's in the middle voicing Naho then surrounded by lots of panels containing the reaction of audiences that are amazed to her voice.

[Niko_kun]

english scan is out: http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/170

I just think that the scanlator have done a mistake... zombie gun sold 10,500,000 copies? It's too much! Even One Piece didn't got this far D: I guess it's 1,500,000 xD

[hoeru]

I just think that the scanlator have done a mistake... zombie gun sold 10,500,000 copies? It's too much! Even One Piece didn't got this far D: I guess it's 1,500,000 xD
I was about to head here for the same... Current One Piece Volumes have 3.2 million prints on the first run and sell about 2-2.5 million in the first week. 10.5 million for Zombie Gun is too much. I expect a translation error, since the second half about 830,000 copies and Hattori believing they still can win over Zombie Gun wouldn't make much sense...

[Niko_kun]

I was about to head here for the same... Current One Piece Volumes have 3.2 million prints on the first run and sell about 2-2.5 million in the first week. 10.5 million for Zombie Gun is too much. I expect a translation error, since the second half about 830,000 copies and Hattori believing they still can win over Zombie Gun wouldn't make much sense...

yeah right? seems too unrealistic haha :D

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[Olho07]

The word that describes this chapter is "anti-professional"

No one must listen fans in technical matters.

[Knifeshade]

It's an error, it's 1,050,000 actually (unless the CH scans made a typo [which they rarely do]). Reversi with 830,000. Didn't read A3S' scan but looked at what you guys were talking about and facepalmed.

What the heck at "It's not a dream that it will get its own real sign, you guys can do it", "A SIGN?" (http://www.mangareader.net/bakuman/170/10)? xD

I wish I had a sign too.

[OtakuModeEngage]

Not entirely true. Not saying you're wrong but it feels a bit naïve. Being a public poll is one thing, but who will be interested in the poll is another. Picking the seiyuu for an anime isn't exactly breaking news headline material. Logically speaking, only anime/manga/seiyuu fans and Studio 92 fans will take notice of it.

...Normally yes, an anime audition is not breaking news, however we have already seen that Azuki is breaking the headlines on the newspapers, radios, and TV stations; you can't say it isn't a national affair. Furthermore, the audition to showcase Azuki's ability, is the perfect following story after everything the two said during the radio broadcast where Mashiro announced publicly that he wanted her to achieve the roll on talent alone. In fact, the anime studio is doing this audition for the simple reason that it does hold so much popularity.

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Probably. It's just that this chapter has "UPCOMING BATTLE TO THE DEATH FOR 'NAHO' GOOO" written all over it for the next chapter. So I'm kinda expecting stuff like we see during ferocious manga making and "manga battles". And then I was like "how the heck will they illustrate the atmosphere?". Like I said earlier, if they skip it, it'd be boring.

I agree, it will be very interesting to see.

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Does anyone know what a 'sign' is?

[Knifeshade]

It's supposed to say "becoming a flagship series won't just be a dream after all", or to that effect.

I just realized A3S used the chinese scans to translate. In the chinese scans, the sentence in question has "sign/banner" in it and they used it literally. Honestly never liked their translations after seeing two chapters from them.

[Salce]

Just read red hawk version:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/89429/bakuman_ch170_by_red-hawk-neo

[Enn]

The word that describes this chapter is "anti-professional"

No one must listen fans in technical matters.

This is a good view. However, the public poll is the only way Azuki can redemptively get the role of Naho and for other people not to think that she has gotten it through connections/the purity of her personal life revelations. It's actually like the director just sort of gave Mashiro and her a reprieve, that even the other leader of the anime team was doubtful. The director obviously wanted the anime to be popular on its own, not be controversial due to the events transpiring that's not even remotely related to Reversi; however, he also stated that he liked Azuki and Mashiro's story.

[FrostyMouse]

Yeah, A3S' tls were just odd. Even if you're tling from the Chinese scans, those were some strange conclusions to come to in terms of word choice and sentence structure.

The chapter was decent, and we'll see the Eiji of the seiyuu world next chapter, Natara-san.

[pina]

Natara Kanra as the Eiji of the seiyuu world is a good way of putting it, especially as she was the voice actress for Lady Crow! She was introduced very early on in the series and had only appeared once, I didn't think we would see her again. She's the blonde on the far left in the color picture. It seems Ohba planned from the beginning to make her Azuki's rival.

[OtakuModeEngage]

I really look forward to O&O pulling off an interesting artistic view on voice acting. I don't want Azuki to get the roll easily, rather I hope she has to fight with her all to earn it in a close battle with the other Seiyuu, and that this be be displayed with masterful art. Certainly we know O&O has the ability to do so. At any rate, I can't wait until the next chapter is released, it will save me from this depression caused by the Mahou Sensei Negima failure, augh! WHY?!

[Nognir]

The whole arc will bring both Ashirogi and Azuki to being true #1 in their respective posts (mangaka/seiyuu), Reversi will outsell Zombie Gun while maintaining the #1 in questionnaires

[SHINOBI-03]

It'll be predictable as of this point. Azuki will win, unless O&O are gonna troll us and make her loss and it'll back to square one yet again, dragging the story even more.

[hoeru]

Well there are three outcomes:

1) Azuki wins, and becomes Naho.
2) Azuki is not gonna be in the anime at all
3) Azuki is not gonna become Naho - but another role.

I fail to see how any of the options is gonna troll anyone aside from readers awaiting the story to go the way they want only thus having too high expectations... And if they intend to give some background information on how Seiyuu are chosen etc. like they did with their "Jump behind the scenes" explanations I feel like looking forward in seeing more of background information.

[Nognir]

They aren't stretching the story, I think. They just keep making us wonder if they will or not...

The dream is reaching its completion. But its path is not clear of hurdles yet.

[•Sasuke•]

http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=48537970 last post

bakuman 171 ch scan

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[azeriraz]

With every chapter, Bakuman seems to be ending. But damn this one looks good, love how it completely shifted the focus to Miho and the other VA

[Knifeshade]

Page 171: Microphone and Script

A scene between Takagi and Kaya. Takagi gives the low down on what just happened to Kaya. There'll be a public audition and voting scheme. 22nd of April will when they give the auditions, and then until the 26th is when voting will occur. One vote per phone. Kaya doesn't think it's a good idea since there'll be very popular and talented seiyuus too, but then thinks it's just like him to go with it.

Back at Azuki's work place, his manager is stressing out on the decision, thinking she doesn't stand a chance, but Azuki reassures him she's motivated and has confidence in winning.

We then get some screen time of two companies getting their seiyuus ready for it. One in particular is a friend of Azuki (Natara Kanra). Apparently, she's the most popular seiyuu at the moment. The other pits their hopes on Otsuki Nanakan, the 2nd most popular at the moment.

At Ashirogi Muto's studio. The announcement of Reversi's anime and the audition appears in this weeks Jump. They'll be having commercials on TV to get exposure as well, and on the the 24th when Crow ends, there'll be a trailer for Reversi too. And once the issue goes live, people are talking about it. At the bookstore, and also online. Everybody's talking about it. (And staring at it too, *cough*Ishizawa*cough*)
And all this is being closely followed by Takagi. Preliminary online polls have Azuki placed in 5th. Takagi tells Kaya not to worry, since it's just-for-fun polls, and Kaya tells him to stop making such faces if it's nothing to worry about.

Day before the auditions, on their balcony, Takagi talks about their dreams and how far they've come now and that tomorrow's the day when Azuki will stand before the microphone that will lead to her dreams. At Azuki's place, Mina, jokingly says her sister is getting marry so she's gonna be lonely now. Then gives her a lucky charm she got for her, and afterwards they go downstairs for dinner and their mother has made practically a feast for her, it's what she can do to cheer her on.

The day of the audition.

Right when Azuki gets to the venue, she's bombarded with protests ("PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE BACKDOOR SHOULD GTFO", etc).
In the backstage room where all the seiyuus are getting ready, the atmosphere is looking pretty thick. We see Azuki and her friend, Natara, say hello to each other, Otsuki says hello to Azuki, we see some fodder seiyuus gossiping about Azuki. We also see some bigshot mentor-ish seiyuu making her grand entrance, who think she'd easily take the win. Otsuki thinks (to herself) otherwise, since she's 27, no way they'll get her to voice a young high school teen. Once it begins, one by one they get called up, while Ishizawa, Mashiro and co, and even Fukuda are watching it live.

And then finally Azuki gets called up. She stands up and takes the stage. Natara notes she forgot her script. But then notices her copy is so clean, like it hasn't been used at all and there's no written notes or anything.

Azuki: "I am #7, Azuki Miho, your help is appreciated..."






Very nice chapter. The build up to the day was good. Sad we didn't get more background stuff on the main seiyuus though.