Battle of the Four Pillars

[Ken-Oh]

How would you like to see it go?

Pō vs Ikkaku

Ikkaku is probablly gona end up using his Bankai again, this will basicaly be a brawl. I have a feelin Ikkaku may die tho, people do need to start dyin otherwise its going to be a bit cheesey. To be honest though i'd like to see Ikkaku fight Kenpachi for title of Captain at the end of all this, that would be an awesome fight/story.

Charlotte Coolhorn vs Yumichika

I think Yumichika will probably loose too, his Zanpakuto is not that powerful when used against an opponent with the reietsu of an Espada class opponent. I hope he doesn't whip out some lame Bankai and ruin how cool it was that Ikkaku had acheived Bankai.

Abirama Redder vs Kira

I would like to see more abilities from Kira's Shikai or maybe for him to display how powerful his skills in Kidō are. It would be a nice time for him to reveal he is actually extremely powerful.

Findol vs Shūhei

I want Shūhei to have Bankai! I reckon he's a beast so i want to see him use his Shikai in this fight and then when the chips are down fighting the Espada he pulls an awesome Bankai out of nowhere!

[Onomatopoeia]

Why does everyone want Hisagi to pull out a Bankai out of curiosity? Theirs little if any reason for Hisagi to pull a bankai out.

Yumichaki on the other hand... well he's been shown training for it, he's a good friend of Ikakku's, and he owned Hisagi once he pulled out his Shikai.

[kkck]

Hisagi bankai? As interesting as that might seem I would like to see his shikai first lol.
I dont think caracters are going to die but I do think at some point the pillars are going to be destroyed and the fight will move on to real karakura town. Proably an espada will use sonido and destroy all pillar in .0000000001 seconds lol.
IMO barragans fraction should be stronger than grimmjows fraction (for plot-no-jutsu sake) so unless the caracters show us something new I dont see how they are going to win.
Maybe yumichika could win by releasing his zanpakuto's true kidou abilities and hisagi will have an uber shikai ability. Considering this is the first time kira is going to go all out and he is really pissed I think he i going to torture his oponent and bring him to his kness with his ability.
I actually think ikkaku is going to lose, it would be too boring to see hm win the exact same way as before.

[Richo]

Kira his shikai abilitie is devastating against about any opponent he hits with it. Some shinigami have the abilitie to let their sword disapear (matsumoto) and fight, on the other hand arrancar who release only got their body to defend with. This means this is nearly a automatic win for Kira unless his opponent is to fast.

[Ken-Oh]

Good point about Kira but i'm hoping there is more to him than that, he was Gin's VC so i assume he is a powerful opponet. I don't actualy beleive Hisagi has Bankai i just think it would be somthing realy cool, his loss to Yumichika was purely out of over confidence so that by no means makes him weak. He is clearly one of the most powerful and respected VC in the Gotei 13. I don't want Ikkaku to loose but he's escaped with his life too many times now. Yumichika on the other hand should definatley die, i doubt he has Bankai because of the reason most beleive he would do. His friendship with Ikkaku has gave him the assistance he would need to acheive Bankai yet he still hasn't acheived it. This is a sign that he is not one of the few who are destined to acheive Bankai.

[Eddy01741]

I do agree that HIsagi is one of themore powerful VCs in the SS. He was another one of those child prodigies, like gin, byakuya, and hitsugaya. Of course, he was but a little child when gin and byakuya were child prodigies, so understandably, he isn't a captain yet.

I would like to see some serious fighting from him, we havn't even seen his shikai yet.

Lastly, I do think that hisagi is stronger than kira, if you remember the training session, hisagi was one of the monitors while kira, renji, and momo were still students, and all of them called hisagi famous because he supposedly already was serving in the gotei 13 while still in the academy, and because he was in consideration to be a seated officer.

[Ken-Oh]

I do agree that HIsagi is one of themore powerful VCs in the SS. He was another one of those child prodigies, like gin, byakuya, and hitsugaya. Of course, he was but a little child when gin and byakuya were child prodigies, so understandably, he isn't a captain yet.

I would like to see some serious fighting from him, we havn't even seen his shikai yet.

Lastly, I do think that hisagi is stronger than kira, if you remember the training session, hisagi was one of the monitors while kira, renji, and momo were still students, and all of them called hisagi famous because he supposedly already was serving in the gotei 13 while still in the academy, and because he was in consideration to be a seated officer.


Whats the episode with that flashback in it? I would like to re-watch that episode because you get to see abit of Aizen and Gin fighting.

[Eddy01741]

THat would be episode 46 (thank you wikipedia).

[Ken-Oh]

THat would be episode 46 (thank you wikipedia).

I looked on Wiki but it was only episode names, no descriptions. Then again Authentic Records! School of Soul Reapers does sound about right for that episode. Cheers

[hossice]

if yumichikas opponent already went release then there is no need for bankai when he's not in shikai!


i want the hisagi battle to be the best. i mean his opponent is my fav. out of all 4 then izurus. but definitly shikai.

[Starky-08]

Yeah I can't wait to see Hisagi's Shikai, and I have a feeling someone will die soon, maybe none of these four but maybe another character.

[Raizen]

I don't think hisagi will show bankai now especially since he has not shown shikai.
And I see kira finishing off his opponent ruthlessly.

[Eddy01741]

Oh yeah, I just realized something, everybody with ichigo-like hair is a child prodigy or pretty powerful (for their age). Ichigo of course learned the ropes pretty quickly, and already knew bankai with less than a year of training. Kaien was also a childhood prodigy as his sister stated. Hisagi is also a child prodigy. So my theory is that kubo likes to make those with ichigo-like hair powerful lol.

I hope that means Hisagi is more powerful than depicted in the SS arc (where he was beaten by yumichika's shikai).

[Flight-47]

Why does everyone want Hisagi to pull out a Bankai out of curiosity? Theirs little if any reason for Hisagi to pull a bankai out.

Yumichaki on the other hand... well he's been shown training for it, he's a good friend of Ikakku's, and he owned Hisagi once he pulled out his Shikai.

Yumichika's Shikai ability is sort of an unfair one.
It literally drains spiritual energy, leaving the enemy weakened and unable to battle.


Hisage has no need to use Bankai, in fact the ONLY Vice Captain currently in the Winter War that deserves a Bankai is the 1st Squad VC, given that he is only one step under Genryuusai. (not counting the other Captains of course).
He may very well even be stronger than some Captains (such as Hitsugaya, and Mayuri).


I'm gonna guess that a lot of the Shinigami will lose these fights, otherwise Aizen wouldn't be as confident as he was.

[Basil Hawkins]

How would I like to see it go?Don't care really as long as they end QUICKLY.
@Flight-47 You are talking 'bout the VC who got one hit KO by Ichigo?

[Exodi]

How would I like to see it go?Don't care really as long as they end QUICKLY.
@Flight-47 You are talking 'bout the VC who got one hit KO by Ichigo?


Agreed. I really want to see Ichigo and Ulquiorra fight.

And the 1st squad VC is indeed the one Ichigo one-hit KO'd.

[Eddy01741]

well, the 2nd and 4th squad VC's also got 1hkoed. But then again, 2nd squad VC is a fatass and probably awful in combat, and 4th squad is not exactly a combat squad, so not an amazing showing for 1st squad VC lol. But the captains all have their own reason for choosing their VC, could be for their intelligence, valuability as an assistant, etc. not just combat skill.

[Onomatopoeia]

Yumichika's Shikai ability is sort of an unfair one.
It literally drains spiritual energy, leaving the enemy weakened and unable to battle.


Hisage has no need to use Bankai, in fact the ONLY Vice Captain currently in the Winter War that deserves a Bankai is the 1st Squad VC, given that he is only one step under Genryuusai. (not counting the other Captains of course).
He may very well even be stronger than some Captains (such as Hitsugaya, and Mayuri).


I'm gonna guess that a lot of the Shinigami will lose these fights, otherwise Aizen wouldn't be as confident as he was.

You mean the guy who got one hit Ko'ed by Ichigo with his Fist?? And remember the group he was put in the same group as the 4th squad Vice(healing) and the guy who only became a Vice because he was from a noble family? In comparison Matsumoto took Gin's Shikai at full power without using anything but her sword. He may very well be one of the weakest VCs. And seriously people Hitsugaya and (more importantly)Mayuri are not weak. So shush about that.

[Starky-08]

Althoug the 2 of them may not be weak, they are among one of the weakest Captains, I do think Yama picked Sasakibe to be his vice for a reason, the only reason he got one hit Ko'ed by ichigo was because, Ichigio pwned Omaeda, this shocked Sasakibe and let his guard down, so we do not know the strenght of his Zanpakuto, I would say he's more powerful than some Vice-Captains.

[Onomatopoeia]

Anyone who gets taken out by a fist from Ichigo does not deserve to be equal to any Captain and most VCs. You guys are going purely on the fact that the VC you choose has to be strong. VCs are chosen for a number of reasons not just because of strength. Look at Nemu, Yachiru, Omaeda,Hinamori, and (possibly) Nanoa.

[Starky-08]

Both Nemu and Yachiru are strong, and like I said Sasakibe was caught of guard.

[ryanzokuken]

Momo is also pretty strong, or at least she seems relatively capable. we know her kido skills are top notch, and her shikai is quite something! but she's still an annoying little...err...anyways...

but about Hitsugaya, i must disagree. judging from what we've seen, i would actually place him as THE weakest current captain. he may be a prodigy among other shinigami of his own age, but among the rest of the captains, he's still the small fry.

i won't go into details or explanation, as that would be off topic.


Mayuri certainly isn't weak. well, he may be weak, raw power and fighting skill wise, but his intelligence and creepy inventions and tactics make him dangerous and deadly.

[Eddy01741]

Being a captain makes it easy for you to absolutely show up those weaker than you, unless your like Hitsugaya, who seems to be serious about any situation. BUt like I said, Ichigo could take them out with just a fist becuase he knows Shunpo, Renji can't use shunpo,a nd most (if not all, I think that matsumoto might have used shunpo) VCs don't know shunpo. People like byakuya have a particularly easy time showing up those weaker than them, his shikai will cut a man up to shreds (read, ganju), and his kidou without enchantment makes him seem super strong to those weaker than him.

So basically, my point is that people of captain levels can make those weaker than them look absolutely helpless, they are just on that different a level.

Anyways, still waiting anxiously for Ikkaku's fight to be over (I'm predicting he will go next since we have already seeen him in battle a bunch) so we can get to the juicy ones, kira and hisagi.

[kkck]

If izuru slashes his enemy, does the entire body of his enemy doubles his weight or just the limb he slashed?

[Onomatopoeia]

Both Nemu and Yachiru are strong, and like I said Sasakibe was caught of guard.


Find proof that Nemu and Yachiru have fought anyone at VC level or above equally. Until then thats just speculation pure and simple. Sasakibe on the other hand has been Ko'ed by a one handed Ichigo. That doesn't on any level scream captain level. That proves pure and simple that he doesn't have Captain Level Strength or Stamina.

As for Momo as much as I like that crazy girl well Aizen said it himself that he chose her only because she was useful to him. She got pimp slapped by Hitsugaya. She's defintely not VC level.

[Starky-08]

Yachiru - She may not have fought anyone but you can tell her Reitsu while Ichigo and Kenpaichi are fighting when that messenger comes, you could see her reitsu in the shape of a Pink cat, foreshadowing her Shikai.

Nemu - She kicked Ishida's ass(It could have been a filler though I'm not sure) who is at least Vice-Captain level, I can easily be proved wrong here, if it was a filler.

Momo - She is Vice-Captain level as noted by Toushiro "With much hard work" just to become a Vice-Captain, that was before Aizen chose her.

Sasakibe - Your also forgetting that Ichigo is at Captain level, and I wasn't the one who said Sasakibe was Captain level, I just said he was more powerful than other Vice-Captains, none of the Vice Captains could have beaten Ichigo at that time.

[igotthegoods]

this thread is getting very off-topic ^^; please remember that any general discussion about vice-captains unrelated to the battle of the four pillars should be done in this thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=396). thank you.

[Eddy01741]

So, who do y'lall think will have the last fight? I think it's gonna be hisagi because we havn't seen his shikai before, and I just have a hunch that he is more powerful than he seems (from being beaten by Yumi's shikai so easily). I mean, look at it, everybody with ichigo's hair so far has been powerful, Ichigo is obviously powerful, shiba kaien was a prodigy of his times as kukaku said, and hisagi was also a prodigy at the shinigami academy, i just have a feeling that he'll be powerful.

[Baka_Desu]

It seems that Kubo-san has planned the plot very carefully this time.
I mean,look at how the battle is going!Each Shinigami is locked in combat with the perfect opponent that they are suited to defeat,at least it seems that way,it's like the Baragan's 'Four Dragons' are having their strengths,which are usually effective,nullified by Yamamoto's 'Skilled Fighters'.Though Hisagi seems to have some trouble with his opponent,I think this battle will soon be over.

[kkck]

I dont think hisagi is having trouble with his oponent so far. His oponent is simply fighting at the standard levels diferent seats have, with the last so far being VC level, so worst case scenario here is that he fights at hisagi's level (personaly I think hisagi is stronger than a regular VC but not nearly as powerfull as a captain).
Hisagi has shown in the past how good he is at melee combat, seeing how he easily handled yumuchika until he released his zanpakutou.
I think the battle will go like this: Arranca fights at VC level but hisagi is still a little stronger than him, later on arrancar releases his zampakutou and hisagi is overpowered. Finaly hisagi releases his sword uses his special ability and wins the fight.

[Eddy01741]

If izuru slashes his enemy, does the entire body of his enemy doubles his weight or just the limb he slashed?
Who knows, if it's only a superficial wound (like the first one when he cut abirama's face) , itmight only double the weight of those skin cells and the blood it hit.... It all depends on how much it affects.

Then again, Kira struck each wing about four times, and instead of jsut doubling the weight of one of the feathers on the wings, it doubled the weight of the wings, so who knows.

[Oblivion]

seriously when will this end. these battles are so predictable and so boring....

i wanna see the real stuff.....

just when i though kubo is gonna amaze us after the flashback arc....

[VeshWolfe]

can it be safe to assume that Yumichika has a bankai? bc when asked if the true form of his shikai was his bankai, he stated it in a manner that would suggest that he indeed has one.

[Tsukisama]

can it be safe to assume that Yumichika has a bankai? bc when asked if the true form of his shikai was his bankai, he stated it in a manner that would suggest that he indeed has one.

I don't think his response suggested if he had bankai or not. He simply state that it was not his bankai. If he had bankai, he would have said it was not his bankai. If he didn't have bankai, he still would have said it was not his bankai.

We don't have enough information on him to know whether or not he has achieved bankai yet. The last solid information we got on the matter was right before the HM arc where he and Matsumoto are shown having trouble connecting with their zanpakutou spirits. At that time, he was still apparently working towards achieving materialization of his zanpakutou spirit, which is the step before bankai.