Kakashi vs Gai

[Forever_Melody]

Ok I'm kind of tired of all these "Sasuke vs x" threads, they seem to make simple discussion impossible, so let's try another type.

Kakashi vs Gai, the eternal rivals! ^_^

Supposedly, both these shinobis have a track record of the same amounts of wins/loses in their rivalry(think it was something like 100 each), now the question is if any of those are actual battles.

Who would win basically? lol :p

Gai has trained to try and counter the Sharingan which is Kakashi's biggest weapon(that alone seems to indicate they've fought before) and he has very potent taijutsu and the Kaimon Gates.

Kakashi has the Sharingan to help him counter Gai's taijutsu as well as induce genjutsu and the other powers it grants. He is also a skilled user of many jutsu(mind you we haven't seen any of these supposed 1000 copied jutsus) and has the Raikiri.

So who do you think would win this epic battle between eternal rivals? :D

[Csdabest]

Im not sure. They were said to be even before Kakashi had MS And Gai seems to have been revealed more than develope. It was kind of sad that Gai's big boost was a pair of nun-chucks. But I have to Say kakashi. He seems to be a decent tactician.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I have to say Kakashi.

[Eddy01741]

I would have to say Gai. Gai has basically trained his entire life to counter Kakashi, in fights he looks at kakashi's feet instead of kakashi himself.

The point is, Gai is like the ultimate Anti-Sharingan ninja (given his level, I mean, somebody like jiraiya, or pein could simply overpower one fo the sharingan users), Kakashi wins in almost any other battle.

Kakashi as an overall ninja, Gai in a one on one fight against kakashi.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I would have to say Gai. Gai has basically trained his entire life to counter Kakashi, in fights he looks at kakashi's feet instead of kakashi himself.

The point is, Gai is like the ultimate Anti-Sharingan ninja (given his level, I mean, somebody like jiraiya, or pein could simply overpower one fo the sharingan users), Kakashi wins in almost any other battle.

Kakashi as an overall ninja, Gai in a one on one fight against kakashi.

Looking at Kakashi feet wouldn't really do much for him. All looking at a sharingan user feeet does for you is prevent you from getting in a genjutsu and as we know Kakashi isn't much of a genjutsu user and haven't even use one since the fight against zabuza(i think). Kakashi can still effectively use all the other Sharingan magic on Gai, even if Gai only look at his feet.

[Forever_Melody]

Only one Sharingan power is really difficult for Gai and that's the taijutsu predicting power. Mind you, we've seen that if you're faster than the Sharingan user, you can overcome even the Sharingan's taijutsu reading power and we can assume Gai is at least as fast as Kakashi.

Gai doesn't actively use ninjutsu so ninjutsu reading/copying isn't going to help Kakashi much.

Other than that, only MS is left, which is basically what Gai needs to look out for.

[badluckartist]

Sadly, like most characters, there's very little known about Gai. We know pretty much all of the current ins and outs of Kakashi's prowess, and he's proven to be an extremely talented shinobi- this includes successfully adapting his own body to the genetic idiosyncrasies of a foreign kekkei genkai. Whilst his chakra pool (and likely stamina) isn't ultra incredible, his technicality in using ninjutsu and strategic forethought has (however arguably) only been paralleled by Shikamaru, the staple genius of the series. His tracking skills are also nearly top-notch, which is note-worthy. It is also worth a mention that Kakashi can use up to at least the 1st Gate, although this is somewhat debatable.

Gai on the other hand has one random, unnamed summon that was only shown on his first appearance, extraordinary taijutsu, no known nin or genjutsu to speak of, and the much-heralded ability to freely use up to the 6th Gate with virtually no consequence. After completely overpowering the 30% Kisame clone with Morning Peacock, he was still able and willing to both carry Kakashi on piggyback and sprint the way back to Konoha from Suna. That capacity for stamina, in my opinion, supercedes nearly every character in the series so far.

It would be a tight duel. but it's likely to be a draw.

[GOKURO-3君]

Kakashi:
MS
Raikiri
Suiton
Doton
Copy-Ninjutsu
Pretty good taijutsu
... Kakashi has the best balance, and would win

[kkck]

If gai uses all 8 gates he would win but he would die too.
Other than that I think kakashi would win.
Kakashi has a lot of ninjutsu, a couple of genjutsu (first arc lol), his taijutsu is not bad, sharingan, ms, genious level inteligence, very fast plus his pack off hounds.
Gai has insane taijutsu, strength, speed and gates to boost his strength and speed further and a turtle summon.
It would be a tougth battle for both of them but kakashi would win.

[Eddy01741]

Sheesh, I'm the only one that voted for Gai....

I honestly think that in a gai vs. Kakashi battle, Gai would win. Gai is one of those super hard workers, and his lifelong goal is to beat kakashi. His taijutsu would overpower Kakashi's taijutsu and would be too fast for the sharingan to predict movements. Genjutsu he might have trouble with if he doesn't look at kakashi's feet. Ninjutsu he might have trouble with if he does look at kakashi's feet (paradox....). However, if he can get past the genjutsu, i think he'd be fine avoiding any ninjutsu kakashi has.

Like i said before.
I believe that Gai would win in a fight against Kakashi.
But Kakashi is stronger against almost any other opponent.

[Forever_Melody]

Mind you, Gai used 6 gates(which sent Lee to the hospital and forced him into surgery) and still had enough strength to carry Kakashi on his back all the way to Konoha from Suna.

Another point is that Gai is very stong as well as fast. He knocked a sound-nin through a wall lol. And as far as we know, he doesn't use Tsunade's special Hercules jutsu.

Basically ninjutsu is what mostly gets the best of Gai. We know he can use it(summoning that random turtle), but he chooses not to use it. If Kakashi were to use any large AoE ninjutsu, Gai might have trouble.

[Eddy01741]

I agree with everything you said, as Gai has insanely fast and powerful taijutsu, and may have some aptitude for nin and genjutsu (probably very low, but slightly higher than Lee). However, just wanted to point out that Tsunade just uses extremely precise chakra control to concentrate all her chakra in the punch. That's why somebody like sakura (who has better chakra control than sasuke pre-timeskip) was well suited for something like that.

[Forever_Melody]

Well yes, Tsunade's strength comes from her perfect chakra control so she can concentrate a large amount of chakra into her fist/feet/wherever on the moment of the impact.

Now, my point was that Gai can achieve a level of strength similar(or at least higher than average) to that. He punched through solid concrete basically, without gates or anything of the like. That means the guy has enough muscle power to blast through pure stone(which brings to question Kisame's strength since Gai had a hard time with the 30% clone, but that's off-topic lol :p).

No character(at least as far as I recall, with the exception of Kisame) has achieved that level of pure brute muscle strength without any jutsu/chakra enducing power.

[Raizen]

OOh, tough one. I say a draw.

Each has skills that perfectly counter the other's out and strengths that plays on other's weaknesses. They will fight w/ no one giving up.

[kkck]

Tsunade told jiraiya that kakashi could be the next hokage and jiraiya said that was a given. My vote still goes to kakashi.

[Eddy01741]

Well, Gai is definitely not smart enough to be hokage, nad his behavior is sometimes erratic. Take into consideration that its not always the strongest that can become hokage.

Gai is basically a rediuculously good anti-sharingan ninja (anti-kakashi to be specific).

Kakashi is good in all areas and has sharingan and MS and is very smart.

[Forever_Melody]

That's the thing though, Gai trained specifically to beat Kakashi and the Sharingan(which is Kakashi's greatest tool). Without Sharingan, Kakashi has high basic abilities, but that's about it. He has to activate Sharingan for many of his jutsus as well as heighten his basic senses.

Makes me wonder how well Gai would fare against another 3 tomoe user if he trained to fight 3 tomoe Sharingan(to fight Kakashi).

[Shaunlim]

Kakashi has 3 tomoe unless u meant both sides of the eye seeing that Kakashi only has one sharingan

[Forever_Melody]

Kakashi has 3 tomoe unless u meant both sides of the eye seeing that Kakashi only has one sharingan

As far as we know, Kakashi having one eye hasn't affected the performance of his Sharingan. Yes, he has 3 tomoe, which means he also has access to all basic Sharingan powers: taijutsu predicting, ninjutsu reading/copying and genjutsu casting.

My question was how well would Gai fare against other 3 tomoe Sharingan users if he has trained to fight the 3 tomoe Sharingan. Obviously, players like Sasuke have many more tricks other than their Sharingan, but if you take someone like Itachi, Sharingan(and MS by extension) was the bulk of their arsenal.

[En Yang Ji]

I think Gai would overwhelm Kakashi with the gates.

[DarkManSharingan32]

You guys have to remember.... If Gai is using his anti-Sharingan-Genjutsu tactic, that leaves him set up for a potential unseen Kamui to the brain.

I think Kakashi is able to, with his vast array of Jutsu types... set up a pretty devastating attack.

Kakashi's ability to use KB, Rai-KB, and Doton to set up his attacks... are a damn good start against Gai's Renge attacks.

[En Yang Ji]

You guys have to remember.... If Gai is using his anti-Sharingan-Genjutsu tactic, that leaves him set up for a potential unseen Kamui to the brain.

I think Kakashi is able to, with his vast array of Jutsu types... set up a pretty devastating attack.

Kakashi's ability to use KB, Rai-KB, and Doton to set up his attacks... are a damn good start against Gai's Renge attacks.

That's a good point. I guess it depends on whether he would could get Kamui on Gai before, he used the gates.

[Weapon_X]

In this one, I would have to say Gai. Kakashi can't mimic Gai's gates because it is more then just chakra, it requires some hard strength and emotional training to reach the level. Although Kakashi himself has been seen using the 1st gate back in the chunnin exam when he was rock climing and Sasuke arrives to ask him to train him.

Gai wouldn't get tired so easily because his body is more energetic and can take direct Taijutsu hits more then Kakashi. Kakashi may have the Sharingan but Gai did find a way of reducing the effects of the Sharingan. The Gates would definitely be an advantage, Gai would be on a rampage like when he beat Kisame so easily when he reached the 7th Gate. And even then he was still alive and well, nothing happened to his body. So, Gai would win.

[kkck]

I have to say kakashi for this one. Kakashi is already aware of the existance of the gates, and even if heisn't aware gai can use them, he knows about them. Gai fights durectly by using taijutsu while kakashi uses tricks and whatnot to catch his enemies off guard.
Also, even if gai uses gates, kakashi will be able to see him due to his sharingan(although I doubt he will be able to keep up with him). Gai is indeed immune to sharingan genjutsu but kakashi doesn't use it much to begin with.

[Weapon_X]

I have to say kakashi for this one. Kakashi is already aware of the existance of the gates, and even if heisn't aware gai can use them, he knows about them. Gai fights durectly by using taijutsu while kakashi uses tricks and whatnot to catch his enemies off guard.
Also, even if gai uses gates, kakashi will be able to see him due to his sharingan(although I doubt he will be able to keep up with him). Gai is indeed immune to sharingan genjutsu but kakashi doesn't use it much to begin with.

Exactly. Kakashi wouldn't be able to keep up with him even with the Sharingan, Gai would just be much faster and his Taijutsu would be devastating. Just like Sasuke couldn't keep up with Killer Bee's speed even with the Sharingan , it would be the same scenario with Gai and Kakashi.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/10-11/ 1 minute Killer Bee is down, the next, attacks Sasuke in an instant. Gai's speed would be fast as this, I reckon.

[Delbi]

Kakashi has this one.

Even though Gai knows how to fight a sharigan user, the only reason he fights a sharigan user by avoiding eye contact, is so he never falls under a genjutsu.

Saying that, Kakashi still has all the benefits of his Sharigan.

Avoiding eye contact with Kakashi would mean he could never tell when Kakashi prepares his MS, which would mean he'd be setting himself up for a surprise Kaumi as others have already pointed out.

And aside from that, Gai hasn't shown a wide enough skill set to defeat someone as diverse as Kakashi. While Gai may be able to use ninjutsu and genjutsu, he doesn't seem to be as good as Kakashi is in those areas, and has yet to even use any in the manga.

[kkck]

Exactly. Kakashi wouldn't be able to keep up with him even with the Sharingan, Gai would just be much faster and his Taijutsu would be devastating. Just like Sasuke couldn't keep up with Killer Bee's speed even with the Sharingan , it would be the same scenario with Gai and Kakashi.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/10-11/ 1 minute Killer Bee is down, the next, attacks Sasuke in an instant. Gai's speed would be fast as this, I reckon.

I seriously doubt gai is as fast as kirabi lol(I could actually see sasuke being as fast as gai...). For one thing, gai's normal speed was on par with that of kisame, or maybe a little faster. Kisame didn't seem like a speed monster so I doubt he is on the same tier as kirabi on that aspect.

This battle would be basically taijutsu vs ninjutsu. Even if gai's taijutsu is superior to that of kakashi, kakashi can back up his close range skills with ninjutsu. For instance, a chidori is imposible to block, the only thing gai would be able to do to defend is avoid it.

Knowing the opponent uses only taijutsu is not the same as knowing the opponent uses ninjutsu. If the opponent uses taijutsu you know he is a close range fighter and he will try to punch you. On the other hand if the opponent is a ninjutsu specialist, you simply cannot predict what he will do.

Kakashi is way more versatile and unpredictable than gai, the way I see it kakashi doesn't even have to use his MS hax.

[Weapon_X]

I seriously doubt gai is as fast as kirabi lol(I could actually see sasuke being as fast as gai...). For one thing, gai's normal speed was on par with that of kisame, or maybe a little faster. Kisame didn't seem like a speed monster so I doubt he is on the same tier as kirabi on that aspect.

This battle would be basically taijutsu vs ninjutsu. Even if gai's taijutsu is superior to that of kakashi, kakashi can back up his close range skills with ninjutsu. For instance, a chidori is imposible to block, the only thing gai would be able to do to defend is avoid it.

Knowing the opponent uses only taijutsu is not the same as knowing the opponent uses ninjutsu. If the opponent uses taijutsu you know he is a close range fighter and he will try to punch you. On the other hand if the opponent is a ninjutsu specialist, you simply cannot predict what he will do.

Kakashi is way more versatile and unpredictable than gai, the way I see it kakashi doesn't even have to use his MS hax.

But Gai has trained to fight Kakashi's Sharingan. Kakashi needs to activate his Sharingan for most of his jutsus to work. Also there is one thing that Gai has but not Kakashi. Stamina. Kakashi woulod get tired after 4 or 5 ninjutsus and dude Kakashi has to hit Gai with the Chidori, I'm sure Gai isn't just going to stand there and let Kakashi hit him.

[~Joshua~]

Well yes, Tsunade's strength comes from her perfect chakra control so she can concentrate a large amount of chakra into her fist/feet/wherever on the moment of the impact.

Now, my point was that Gai can achieve a level of strength similar(or at least higher than average) to that. He punched through solid concrete basically, without gates or anything of the like. That means the guy has enough muscle power to blast through pure stone(which brings to question Kisame's strength since Gai had a hard time with the 30% clone, but that's off-topic lol :p).

No character(at least as far as I recall, with the exception of Kisame) has achieved that level of pure brute muscle strength without any jutsu/chakra enducing power.

Do we know for a fact that Gai wasn't using any chakra to compliment the blow?

[Delbi]

Do we know for a fact that Gai wasn't using any chakra to compliment the blow?

Because Gai has never been told to have perfect chakra control, which is what you need to do what Tsuande and Sakura does.

[~Joshua~]

Because Gai has never been told to have perfect chakra control, which is what you need to do what Tsuande and Sakura does.

I just wanted to make sure. Doesn't surprise me since he hand-walks around the village as an exercise...:darn

I went with Kakashi on this one. Kakashi has a doujutsu, and ninjutsu, and has shown to copy Gai's taijutsu. They have equal experience with each other but when it really comes down to it, Kakashi wins.

[kkck]

But Gai has trained to fight Kakashi's Sharingan. Kakashi needs to activate his Sharingan for most of his jutsus to work. Also there is one thing that Gai has but not Kakashi. Stamina. Kakashi woulod get tired after 4 or 5 ninjutsus and dude Kakashi has to hit Gai with the Chidori, I'm sure Gai isn't just going to stand there and let Kakashi hit him.

Gai has trained to avoid sharingan genjutsu, which is the only aspect of sharingan which you can train to counter. Gai can train to avoid sharingan genjutsu all he wants, but that won't eliminate the fact that kakashi can see and predict gai's movements perfectly.

Stamina would only help gai if he can avoid every trick and ninjutsu kakashi has until kakashi runs out of stamina. Personally I doubt the fight will last that long.

Gai is a great and unusual ninja but I still feel that ninjutsu + superior intelligence + tricks >>> taijutsu + normal(or less) intelligence + brute force. And that doesn't even take into account MS.

[Raizen]

I don't think gai or kakashi can easily get the upper hand in this fight.
it is like their little challenge games. They will also come out winning or losing 50% of the time. That is how I see the fight. No one has the advantage or anything

[THM Nindo]

Well, if they would really fight for the kill.
I don't know how strong is Gai with the 8-gates Open, but he might be too strong for Kakashi.
Kakashi wouldn't be able to see him, and he might just get kill really fast.

On the other hand, Kakashi could just wait for Gai to take one of his stupid pose and blow his head away with Kamui :tem

It's a really good fight, and they are probably near equal in term of power (giving that Gai trained against Sharingan).

If I had to take a bet, I'll say Kakashi, because he's a better tactician and he would think of a plan against Gai.
Gai is more likely to go head-on on the fight, with some idea that "I will win for sure if I give all I got".:tem

[firework]

You guys have to remember.... If Gai is using his anti-Sharingan-Genjutsu tactic, that leaves him set up for a potential unseen Kamui to the brain.

I think Kakashi is able to, with his vast array of Jutsu types... set up a pretty devastating attack.

Kakashi's ability to use KB, Rai-KB, and Doton to set up his attacks... are a damn good start against Gai's Renge attacks.

its not like gai's gonna be blind -_- He'll watch kaka's feet and use his superior taijutsu to overwhelm kakashi. He's trained his whole life to beat kakashi; kakashi may be an overall better ninja, but Gai is an ideal matchup for him.

Also, hokage doesnt equal win.

[Eddy01741]

Well, if Gai is fast enough, Kakashi wouldn't be able to track and predict his movements with his sharingan. Although we don't know if that is true (gai moving that fast), it's certainly the only way I see that Gai could effectively counter Kakashi's sharingan (other than avoiding the genjutsu by looking at the feet). I feel like if Gai goes sixth gate release, he has a good chance against Kakashi, knowing how powerful and fast the gates make Gai.

I also agree with those saying that Kakashi is a much much better overall ninja. Kakashi has long and short range attacks, whilst Gai only has short range, and Kakashi has an impressive array of genjutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu, while Gai just has very impressive taijutsu, Kakashi also has sharingan and MS. Kakashi is strong enough to be the Hokage, yes, his chakra capacity wouldn't match up to the monsters that were the first through fourth hokages, but he's still a very intelligent and strong shinobi in his own right. Meanwhile, Gai is just a anti-Kakashi/Sharingan taijutsu-only ninja.

What I see this fight coming down to is can Kakashi use his Kamui on a target as fast as Gai with sixth gate released. As Gai's power is unprecedented with six gates, and I don't see much of Kakashi's ninjutsu stopping him (Raikiri has a chance, but Raikiri needs Kakashi to be fast enough to strike Gai at close range, which i doubt).

[kkck]

kakashi wins simply because he has the infinite power of plot to his advantage.

[Nath Uchiha]

Is it me or does Gais techniques make Kakashi's look piss poor after the latest chapter.

From Kakashi we got an electrical wolf, Rai Bunshin, and Kamui. All of which can be avoided by Gai.

From Gai we get massive taijutsu techniques that cause as much devastation as Naruto's FRS without the issue of speed, considering Gais techniques sound like they go sonic boom.

[Roflkopt3r]

Gai would never open celestial gates if he does not go totally serious. The side effects of things like using actual full 100% muscle power at a time* are grave. Not just a little, he might end up beeing unable to fight again forever.
So Gai's results will depend on the circumstances of the fight...


*Sidenote: For everyone who didn't hear before of this, muscles constantly switch through several layer of cells when active. Our brain and nerves prohibit using all at once. Ignoring that and using all of them will put more than just strain on the muscles, they will be injured. It's unsuitable for training, the muscles wil be damaged instead of trained.
Putting so much strain on his body will certainly decrease his capabilities on the long run.

[Gats]

If Gai considers Kakashi as his rival, I doubt he can beat him with a single strike. Flashy or huge power isn't enough to win.

Besides in my book Kamui is still more powerful than the afternoon tiger.

[Alterno]

If Gai considers Kakashi as his rival, I doubt he can beat him with a single strike. Flashy or huge power isn't enough to win.

Besides in my book Kamui is still more powerful than the afternoon tiger.

Well being a rival don't always means being equally strong, for example Naruto considered Sasuke his rival and in the beginning of the manga he wasn't as strong as Sasuke, although he became as strong as him. Don't get me wrong, but evan Sakura can beat Kakashi with single strike (if her attack lands), that's were the sharingan comes handy.

However Gai seems to be faster than Kakashi and that could be an advantage for Gai, just as it was an advantage for Lee, also Gai knows how to fight Sharingan users because he has being training with Gai, the same way Kakashi knows Gai's movements by watching him and lee, that's how he teaches Sasuke those movements during the Chuunim exam arc.

Noon tiger is not a chakra attack, so I doubt the sharingan could read the trajectory of the pressure. I think the great advantage that Gai has over Kakashi is his stamina and chakra levels, while Kakashi's advantage could be ninjutsu only, this because Gai won't look at Kakashi's face, just as his feet like he did against Itachi and the rest.

[Roflkopt3r]

Kakashi's advantage is his brain ;)
Gai is experienced and not stupid, he won't fall for easy traps. But Kakashi is a genius who creates traps on a whole different level.

Also, with his Sharingan he can still see through Gai's moves, especially because he knows Gai well. He just can't copy them as well because he's physically weaker.

[Gats]

Well being a rival don't always means being equally strong, for example Naruto considered Sasuke his rival and in the beginning of the manga he wasn't as strong as Sasuke, although he became as strong as him. Don't get me wrong, but evan Sakura can beat Kakashi with single strike (if her attack lands), that's were the sharingan comes handy.

However Gai seems to be faster than Kakashi and that could be an advantage for Gai, just as it was an advantage for Lee, also Gai knows how to fight Sharingan users because he has being training with Gai, the same way Kakashi knows Gai's movements by watching him and lee, that's how he teaches Sasuke those movements during the Chuunim exam arc.

Noon tiger is not a chakra attack, so I doubt the sharingan could read the trajectory of the pressure. I think the great advantage that Gai has over Kakashi is his stamina and chakra levels, while Kakashi's advantage could be ninjutsu only, this because Gai won't look at Kakashi's face, just as his feet like he did against Itachi and the rest.


Naruto considered Sasuke as rival because the Uchiha was stronger (and well knwon genius etc) than him, you took the bad example.

What I mean is if Gai considers Kakashi as his rival, it means AT LEAST that Kakashi is worth fighting, strong enough to win. They know each other for so long. Besides Gai is the only one who is so fired up by this, like a challenge, usually it means that, in truth, Kakashi might at least equal or stronger despite what he said (in worst case the gap between them is meaningless enough). And we saw that the battles that Gai was talking about can be some rock/paper/scissors....So who knows...he probably one more battle on another stupid game made by Kakashi.

Sharingan can read Taijutsu, besides Kakashi knows Gai well (as Gai knows Kakashi), he is fully aware of the 8 gates and himself can even use gates to some extent at least. (remember when he was climbing a mountain with one arm)
So he can anticipate all of this.

We also know that Kakashi is really fast. Now the question is : is he able to follow Gai speed with gates open ?

Besides it won't be a fight of tiger punch vs jutsu like Gai vs Kisame (besides Kamui). I doubt Kakashi would challenge Gai in melee fight, or would fight face to face, he will use clever tricks like he did against Itachi or Pain.

I think Kakashi would win by a hair with his brain. Both of them are not sure to win for opposite reasons.

[Naruffy]

I'm not sure, either a tie or Kakashi. Obviously Gai won't overwhelm Kakashi with his power or else he wouldn't consider Kakashi a rival. However, I can see Kakashi using his smarts to pull of a win against Gai.

[Nicholas.Sama]

Genjutsu would be his main problem.

Kakashi: Sharingan!!!
Guy: I'll just watch your feet!!!
Kakashi: Perfect. Kamui!!!

Game Over.

[ninjabot]

THANK YOU. The same thing has been stated in every Uchiha arena thread where someone tried to pull the "Aww, they'll just watch his feet to avoid being hit with Genjutsu!" shtick (ignoring the fact where in the manga they say "Only Gai could pull off fighting like this).

If you're watching feet, you can't see him:

1: Create handseals
2: Launch projectiles
3: Launch attacks aimed at your face and head area

I mean, sure there's peripheral vision. But in a fight between superhumans moving at the blink of an eye, you don't wanna rely on guesswork.

[licentious1]

We recently witnessed Gai's uber technique, and we know Kakashi's abilities. So which of the two rivals would win?

[Forbetzio]

Probably Kakashi, but it would be close

[PropaneTankHank]

Even if Gai began in 7th gate, I'd still give it to Kakashi. Sasuke's Susano'o's arrow was instant, and Kakashi could Kamui that, which was much smaller than Gai. And since afternoon tiger is a strictly taijutsu move using Gai's own body, he'd be Kamui'd out of existence. If for some reason Kakashi couldn't use Kamui or missed, then he could only survive Gai if he could avoid the 7th gate.

And as well, Gai's disadvantage to genjutsu.

[Shinomori Aoshi]

*Sidenote: For everyone who didn't hear before of this, muscles constantly switch through several layer of cells when active. Our brain and nerves prohibit using all at once. Ignoring that and using all of them will put more than just strain on the muscles, they will be injured. It's unsuitable for training, the muscles wil be damaged instead of trained.
Putting so much strain on his body will certainly decrease his capabilities on the long run.

I don't know what you mean by "trained", but training the muscles means literally damaging the muscle tissue. The human body then repairs the damaged part in the muscle, and as with any part of the body that is repaired through natural means the muscle is strengthened in the damaged area, i.e. becomes stronger. That's why excessive training can be harmful.

By the way, you should consider the fact that you're reading a comic, and that not every law of nature that we know of is necessarily true in the story. Besides, some things are bound to be forgotten by the author and not taken into account (deliberately or not).

[kkck]

I would still lean towards kakashi. He is the type to do tricks and stuff so I really don't see things going that smoothly. I specially see guy not surviving punching through kamui....

[Gats]

THANK YOU. The same thing has been stated in every Uchiha arena thread where someone tried to pull the "Aww, they'll just watch his feet to avoid being hit with Genjutsu!" shtick (ignoring the fact where in the manga they say "Only Gai could pull off fighting like this).

If you're watching feet, you can't see him:

1: Create handseals
2: Launch projectiles
3: Launch attacks aimed at your face and head area

I mean, sure there's peripheral vision. But in a fight between superhumans moving at the blink of an eye, you don't wanna rely on guesswork.

You can see handseal. You don't need to watch the feet cloisely, just to avoid the head, so you can see the body just under the head, arms included. For the projectiles it depends how it was launched, but again, you can see the arms and guess.

But it's true this method won't protect against Doujutsu like Kamui.

[Skidmore]

Peharps Guy has more raw power than Kakashi, what would make him virtually stronger, but this is not all that matter, Shikamaru has proved us that, Kakashi too, and for Kakashi being a prime candidate for Hokage, I think that he somehow can win a fight against Guy.

Guy is damm powerfull, but it seems that Kakashi is the most versatile Ninja in Konoha, and the most dangerous and tricky Jounin to challange.

But it all came to prove that several Jounin in Konoha are serious deal, we got Hinata's Father, Inouchi, Shikaku, Chouza, Kiba's Mother, Shino Father and Raidou, what means that even all Akatsuki would have trouble in this war.

[benelori]

I think this is Kakashi's win...as said in the OP Kakashi has the Rai bunshin for example...but that's not something to be fired at the enemy so it can be avoided...that's a trap, and it serves for opponents who fight close range...so Gai would definitely fall in that trap, now the question is...is this trap powerful enough to restrain Gai who has opened a few gates? I think it is, and that would be Kakashi's win...

A battle of the gates would be Gai's win, but I doubt Kakashi is stupid enough to challenge Gai in a battle of speed and taijutsu power...
Kakashi, judged by the range of techniques he has, can come up with multiple plans and traps in a battle against Gai, which would be effective I think because Gai is predictable, only that his enemies weren't powerful enough to avoid his moves, or counter them and they tried to battle him head on...well he was shown only when fighting against Kisame, but I think there can be no surprised from somebody who uses only taijutsu...and being predictable in front of an enemy like Kakashi who is specialized in just spamming his power, is a very big minus

[hakuthehedgehog]

IMO Gai can't lose this fight because he always ties it with the 8 Gates.

However I think Gai has a very good shot even without the 8th gate, he is probably too fast for Kakashi to follow even with his sharingan when he has the 6 gates, then we have morning peacock, which is a OHKO attack and Kakashi has no means of avoiding it, especially since he can destroy the surroundings so Kakashi can't hide, and he can fire it more than once.

After noon tiger is made useless due to Kamui, but morning peackock is IMO more than enough to give Gai a win.

Also, one more thing regarding Kamui: if Kakashi uses it once and doesn't kill Gai, he loses because it gives Gai a HUGE opening.

[Naruffy]

I still think kakashi would win, but not with Kamui. Correct me if I'm wrong, but dosen't it require whatever he's teleporting to stay within his range of vision? If Gai can move fast enough to get behind Kakashi, wouldn't it just be a waste for him to use it?

[hakuthehedgehog]

I still think kakashi would win, but not with Kamui. Correct me if I'm wrong, but dosen't it require whatever he's teleporting to stay within his range of vision? If Gai can move fast enough to get behind Kakashi, wouldn't it just be a waste for him to use it?

If Gai is behind Kakashi, wouldn't he be able to hit him then? I mean, Gai was so fast Kisame couldn't even think, and since he is behind, Kakashi's sharingan wont help.

[M3J]

Kakashi's advantage is his brain ;)
Gai is experienced and not stupid, he won't fall for easy traps. But Kakashi is a genius who creates traps on a whole different level.

Also, with his Sharingan he can still see through Gai's moves, especially because he knows Gai well. He just can't copy them as well because he's physically weaker.

The problem is, SHaringan will be useless if Kakashi can't react fast enough. Lee vs. Sasuke showed that speed was a counter to Sharingan. If Gai can move extremely fast that Kakashi can't counter or dodge, then he's likely to win.

However, Kakashi is pretty intelligent. I'd have to give him this. He's probably fast enough to react, and he can use bunshins and wear Gai down slowly. his sharingan and intelligence would have given him insight into gai's ability so I'm sure Kakashi would figure out a way to take out Gai.

[zerocooldx]

Well for what its worth Gai did say that he was stronger (http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/038/13) then Kakashi. Although he could have just been joking around and referring to the competitions they had. But in the off chance that he wasn't, i would say that pre-Shippiden, Gai was probably a hair stronger then Kakashi. But post Shippuden and mainly going off of how Gai has been treated by Kishi as a character, i'de say that Kakashi was probably stronger now. Even if its by a insignificant amount.

[Xsoteria]

Most fighters fighting with mostly brawl and direct jutsu would succumb to Guy's raw power. I think that to defeat him, a trickster is required, and who better then Kakashi for the job?

[Alterno]

The problem with these kind of discussion is that these are preference polls, instead any kind analysis, for example assuming that Gai can defeat Kakashi due the lot of ninjutsus, the sharingan, kamui, etc.... is like assuming that Naruto didn't defeat Kakuzu for example.

Kakashi is superior to Gai in Ninjutsu 2 and in Genjutsu by 1 point, so that means that Kakashi is way better than Gai performing Ninjutsu and a bit better in Ninjutsu. As for taejutsu Kakashi is lower than Gai by .5

Gai in the other hand is better than Kakashi in in Taijutsu, is faster than Kakashi, stronger and his stamina is even higher than Kakashi. Kakashi is pretty much like Minato a quick fighter, he don't look like the kind of fighter for a very long fight.

Kakashi trains with Gai and even the all amazing Kakashi have asked Gai for advices (as seen in the manga), so at this point Gai pretty much knows about Kamui, If I'm not wrong he saw the jutsu during the Gaara's rescue arc, so it will be useless against Gai in my humble opinion unless Gai is running straight to Kakashi directions, and I'm pretty sure that Kakashi can't warp noon tiger, but still Gai is just wait too fast.

Overall I think Gai wins in 51 or 52 of 100 fights.

[Roflkopt3r]

I don't think analysis is possible for such a fight. It would require perfect knowledge about the opponents, which we have not.
In Gai versus Kisame for example, Gai showed an impressive jutsu. Yet it was a situation in which Kisame simply did the wrong thing because he thought he could absorb it. Thus, we don't know if it really hits that well or if a fast ninja could dodge it.
So, in other words, any prediction will result in "I cannot tell for certain", "I can't tell at all" or "I believe X wins because I like him better".
The last option would be "I believe Y wins because I think that Kishimoto wants to portrait him as the overall stronger ninja", but that's not necessarily related to evidence, it can simply be a slight feeling.

Personally, I think that Kakashi's broad variety of jutsu and skills plus his intelligence would give him the advantage. I don't think that Gai could fight tricky enough to suddenly bring Kakashi in an unavoidable situation, whereas Kakashi can. He likes to set up traps that will suddenly put a person in a dilemma he cannot escape. Such as in his fight against Pain where he perfectly cooperated with the Akimichi and created a trap even Pain couldn't see through.

His ever-since praised genius will be slightly too much for Gai to handle.

[fanatik]

We recently witnessed Gai's uber technique, and we know Kakashi's abilities. So which of the two rivals would win?Still Kakashi. Because:


Kakashi: Sharingan!!!
Guy: I'll just watch your feet!!!
Kakashi: Perfect. Kamui!!!

Game Over.

Besides, you really think that in a real deathmatch Kakashi, knowing Guy's style and tricks like Gates, will be so generous as to actually let him open the gates? Kamui on the sight - and it's over, safely and almost painlessly.

Also, an interesting conclusion from databooks and what was said above about Guy viewing Kakashi as being worthy of holding rivalry with: in the last 2 books Guy's stats are unchanged, meaning he didn't get stronger during the timeskip, while Kakashi's got higher. If Guy considered him a worthy rival before timeskip, and Kakashi's undoubtly stronger now (not to mention activated and mastered MS)... you get what I'm saying - it can only mean that, despite Guy having trained to fight Kakashi's Sharingan specifically and him being admittedly not the most convenient opponent for Kakashi, Guy's chances against Kakashi post-timeskip went down and not up.

[Alterno]

I don't think analysis is possible for such a fight. It would require perfect knowledge about the opponents, which we have not.

Actually it depends weather or not you want to know more about Gai or Kakashi than we already do.



In Gai versus Kisame for example, Gai showed an impressive jutsu. Yet it was a situation in which Kisame simply did the wrong thing because he thought he could absorb it. Thus, we don't know if it really hits that well or if a fast ninja could dodge it.[quote]

Truth but do we know that technique is extremely powerful and that is technique that cover wide area, since the technique was mainly targeted towards the clones and even then he got Kisame.

[quote]
Personally, I think that Kakashi's broad variety of jutsu and skills plus his intelligence would give him the advantage. I don't think that Gai could fight tricky enough to suddenly bring Kakashi in an unavoidable situation, whereas Kakashi can. He likes to set up traps that will suddenly put a person in a dilemma he cannot escape. Such as in his fight against Pain where he perfectly cooperated with the Akimichi and created a trap even Pain couldn't see through.


But the Pain fight is actually an example of Kakashi's abilities, he couldn't defeat a Gai with just one ability, and that was because Pain's raw power was beyond Kakashi's and those attributes thave not helped Kakashi before against other opponents, like for example Kakuzu, which Naruto defeated with one rasen shurinken.

There are thing we know, the only advantage that the Sharingan gives Kakashi in a fight against Gai, is actually being able to read his movements, genjutsu unless you can cast it with your feet, won't work on Gai. Kakashi was already out of chakra after using 3 or 4 jutsus and that was against a target that didn't make any effort to avoid him, of course Shira tensei repelled his attacks, but sometimes it requires more than just brain.

The thing that impress me more about Gai, is actually being able to open 7th game and came from it just as fresh as lettuce and we know the side effects of this technique since the very begining of the manga and the unbelievable speed that the user could reach, basically attacking without being seen, just check that Kakashi used his sharigan and even him just could say... "fast".. and that was with lee using four gates, before opening the fifth.

http://images.narutobase.net/manga/mangas/Naruto/085/naruto-10-4-13.jpg

[Mack]

I did not vote, because this is a draw. None of them is stronger...

We can't just vote for Gai, because we know what can Kakashi do.

And we can't vote for Kakashi, because right now we saw how Gai totally owned Hoshikagi Kisame.

None of them has something that would give him a some winning points (Nope, seventh or eight gate is not a win. Kakashi probably knows Gai abbilities (and would have find out how to avoid those techniques) just as Gai knows everything about sharingan. Either Kakashi's Kamui is not good considering Gai's speed), they are just matched.

[THM Nindo]

This is really a fight I'd like to see!
I mean... that would be so good!!

But, seriously, I fail to see how Kakashi could survive Gai's 7th gate...
Gai is a beast!

[shinsengumi]

^ well its a given that kakashi already knows about morning peacock and afternoon tiger since even yamato seems to be familiar with them , i believe he can avoid the impact somehow

[silver surfer]

people lets not forget that kakashi can open his chakra-gates too.

[THM Nindo]

people lets not forget that kakashi can open his chakra-gates too.

Yeah, but we've only see him open the first gate.
And he never used that in any of his fight, so I think that he prefer not use it.

[Alterno]

^ well its a given that kakashi already knows about morning peacock and afternoon tiger since even yamato seems to be familiar with them , i believe he can avoid the impact somehow

The same applies for Gai, even Kakashi asked Gai for advice about how to fight Uchiha Itachi. :P

[Naruffy]

Kakashi can open gates? when did he open the first gate?

[LnDRash]

Kakashi can open gates? when did he open the first gate?

Primary Lotus needs you to open the first gate and he used that move in his little skirmish with Naruto and Sakura at the begining of shippuuden.

[Skidmore]

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Primary Lotus needs you to open the first gate and he used that move in his little skirmish with Naruto and Sakura at the begining of shippuuden.

That was filler, actually he displayed this abilite when he was training Sasuke, he opened the first gate to climb a mountain. I Will find it and edit here.

Edit:

http://s1-a.animea-server.net/32/93_FGBZE/chapter093_08.jpg
http://s1-a.animea-server.net/32/93_FGBZE/chapter093_09.jpg

[Alterno]

[/QUOTE]

That was filler, actually he displayed this abilite when he was training Sasuke, he opened the first gate to climb a mountain. I Will find it and edit here.

Edit:

http://s1-a.animea-server.net/32/93_FGBZE/chapter093_08.jpg
http://s1-a.animea-server.net/32/93_FGBZE/chapter093_09.jpg[/QUOTE]

We don't know if he oppened a gate there, because we have not seen lee or Maiton opening gais like that, it could be something else... but in the case he opened a gate it would mean that he is very slow opening them.

[mattiaildivino]

7 gates gai would own kakashi and his ridiculous stamina.kamui wouldn't serve much here...

[xXan]

That was filler, actually he displayed this abilite when he was training Sasuke, he opened the first gate to climb a mountain. I Will find it and edit here.

Edit:

http://s1-a.animea-server.net/32/93_FGBZE/chapter093_08.jpg
http://s1-a.animea-server.net/32/93_FGBZE/chapter093_09.jpg

We don't know if he oppened a gate there, because we have not seen lee or Maiton opening gais like that, it could be something else... but in the case he opened a gate it would mean that he is very slow opening them.

It is manga fact that he can. You can search for it all over the net even on Narutopedia (as much as i don't like wikis...).

The first gate is The Gate of Opening, located in the brain... This gate removes the restraints of the brain on the muscles so you can use 100% of their strength(in normal conditions is 20%).
The panels clearly show his brain and then something activating. It was the first gate...

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As for the fight... Going with kakashi. Kakashi with his sharingan can predict most of Gai's attacks up to the moment lots of gates are open... Now the problem is that Gai will need to fight by looking at Kakashi's feet and that means the first Kamui is going to kill him.

[mattiaildivino]

yes kakashi used the 1st gate in volume 11.but even with that he can't defeat gai's 7 gates.

[Kazu-Sama]

Gai can open more gates, thus becoming a hell of a lot faster, too fast for Kakashi to handle. Gai stomps