Naruto Volume 45 (Ch. 413-422) Discussion

[Sherbetmayhem]

Good old Sasuke :) He did this with Orochimaru (fooled him into thinking he was just a puppet, doing his bidding) and he's doing it with Madara - of COURSE he's not going to go ape shit on the innocent people of Konoha! Our Sasuke's a smart lad, and he knows that Madara's an evil shit :D I can't see him completely ignoring that Itachi set it up so Amaterasu set off as soon as Sasuke boy set eyes on the villain - and Sasuke also knows that Itachi was one smart kid, and so is more likely to trust his judgement about spiral face :)

Clever move from him, then, but is it clever enough? How much does Madara suspect - he knows Sasuke 'betrayed' Orochimaru, and so is probably expecting a similar thing from him in this case. Sasuke's act needs to be at least as good as Itachi's to fool Madara - better, in fact, because Madara was always prepared for Itachi's betrayal, showing that he saw through Itachi's hatred of the village.

And, in the meantime, Naruto crying because of the book?!?! What the heck is in it? Nice little cliffie for us there - half of us were expecting a gaiden but keeping the attention on the Sauce and just showing us Naruto crying is a great way to get us involved and wanting to know what's in the book even more :)

And oh yes, the Raikage looked just a LITTLE pissed off! I'm looking forward to seeing his reaction in the future.

Time for Sasuke to visit his hometown, then. And I imagine there's going to be plenty of Danzou blood on his hands :)

(He'll be doing us all a favour!)

Look like a fab chapter indeed :) Betrayal, lies, tears, anger, and revenge - What could make this any better? *is in Naruto bliss*

[laughing@you]

Also it seems like sasuke will take some time off to heal. So probably we won't see anything from him in couple chapters.

Oh and my next rant is totally out of topic......but

WTF happen to my post count? b e a n yours too? Did some maintenance happen?

[Sherbetmayhem]

Well i was so thrown off by his emo actions is quite hard not want take a swing at the guy.

But don't u guys think is to much of an ellaboration from kishimoto just for it not to be true?

I mean, is to much of wasted manga pages just for the whole thing to be bogus.

The Itachi being crazy and trying to steal his brother's eyes was all bogus too. No, I think Kishimoto goes to great lengths setting up the lies and tricks laid out by the characters in his manga. Awesome :D

[Alexis]

Dont be fooled. Madara KNOWS sasuke wants to kill him.

zetsu got it all on tape..

or did he?
Actually, Sasuke told Itachi that he planed on killing Madara inside a genjutsu. Zetsu didn't overhear that part of the conversation.

Itachi didn't kill Madara for some reason, and somehow he has survived for around 100 years. I doubt Sasuke thinks that Madara can be killed using conventional means.

Orochimaru kept Sasuke nearby even during the time he was sick and showed his weakness. Madara has a lot of secrets. Who knows what Sasuke might find out if he turns Madara's "......." into "Give me a hug!" :wtf

[craig]

Guess I was wrong about the hachibi convo - this progressed a lot faster than I thought. Wonder how they got back so fast?

I'm sure this has already been said, but this just looks like a huge show from Sasuke for Madara. Sasuke rarely gets this emotional and he's saying EVERYTHING Madara wants to hear when a few chapters ago he said he was more or less going to double cross akatsuki and he had that flashback of Team 7.

I don't think Madara will really buy it though - he knows better, otherwise he wouldn't have asked the question.

[Gats]

I don't know what to say and what to predict about it...After these facts everything is possible about Sasuke's true goal.

I would say that Sasuke has turned really bad/evil like Pein if I didn't see the image of team 7 in the last chapter.

...Hey finally I know what to say, this may be crazy :

During the last chapter you saw Sasuke thinking about the OLD TEAM 7 with young Naruto and Sakura (and Kakashi), this shows the past he knew, why he didn't think about the present Naruto and Sakura since he saw them ? Because he may don't care about them now after all. His feelings was only focus on the solicitude that Hawk's teammates provided to him and it reminded him the old team 7.
Then he will really crush Konoha (aha I'm breaking your faith about Sasuke salvation) !

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I don't know after all ! :D

[DanteSonOfSparda]

that's the thing, sasuke is making it seem like madara is in the clear. What sasuke is saying is that the elders TOLD itachi to kill the uchihas so that all of konoha could live in peace. Because of that, he's going to kill the elders and then destroy konoha to ruin their peace. He's forgiven itachi for doing it (and madara in a sense) because they were the messengers, only following orders. And madara knows that sasuke knows he was involved...he even told him himself. But since sasuke has been with madara, sasuke has not placed the blame on him. Sasuke is acting as if madara convinced him that he and itachi were not to blame.


Lol, you do realize that we're predicting about what Madara thinks Sasuke is thinking :D -> Will probably be pointless, since the both of us can always make up another intention for Sasuke and Madara

Example:
The story Madara told Sasuke only frees Itachi of his guilt:
Itachi is driven to kill the Uchiha for the sake of Konoha: -> Sasuke wants to eliminate Konoha
Madara helped Itachi killing the Uchiha not for the sake of Konoha but for selfish reasons (revenge).
How can Madara be sure that Sasuke won't blame him?

I think we can predict endlessly, since Kishi won't let us in to what Sasuke really thinks anytime soon :(


About the raikage translation:
It'll probably be something like "I'll avenge my brother no matter what"
We won't know about his target unless he stands before Konohas gates or behind sasukes back :s

[bean]

Also it seems like sasuke will take some time off to heal. So probably we won't see anything from him in couple chapters.

Oh and my next rant is totally out of topic......but

WTF happen to my post count? b e a n yours too? Did some maintenance happen?
we got nerfed big time. They deleted a bunch of the old spoiler threads (where I mostly live) and got rid of all our work! But whatever, I don't care about my post count.

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LOL the funny thing was I thought the pics with the black borderlines was fake so didn't post it :( I did my best undercover though, lol MH was filtered.

[bean]

Lol, you do realize that we're predicting about what Madara thinks Sasuke is thinking :D -> Will probably be pointless, since the both of us can always make up another intention for Sasuke and Madara

Example:
The story Madara told Sasuke only frees Itachi of his guilt:
Itachi is driven to kill the Uchiha for the sake of Konoha: -> Sasuke wants to eliminate Konoha
Madara helped Itachi killing the Uchiha not for the sake of Konoha but for selfish reasons (revenge).
How can Madara be sure that Sasuke won't blame him?

I think we can predict endlessly, since Kishi won't let us in to what Sasuke really thinks anytime soon :(


About the raikage translation:
It'll probably be something like "I'll avenge my brother no matter what"
We won't know about his target unless he stands before Konohas gates or behind sasukes back :s
if he frees itachi of his guilt, he can't blame madara either, still works.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

we got nerfed big time. They deleted a bunch of the old spoiler threads (where I mostly live) and got rid of all our work! But whatever, I don't care about my post count.

Don't lie you do care about your post count, it's about pride and honour.

LOL Sasuke is a really good actor, I think he's pulling off an Itachi and pretending to be bad.

[Alexis]

we got nerfed big time. They deleted a bunch of the old spoiler threads (where I mostly live) and got rid of all our work! But whatever, I don't care about my post count.
Aww man, really? I think I was the first one to mention the term EMS. I wanted to brag about how it spread. :(

[Calootoo]

Ooohh!!! I'm so damn tired of Sasuke!! It's like the author has wet fantasies with him. If he wants to destroy the entire world, fine, i couldn't care less, but i can't stand that lately all the chapters are wasted on him.

I WANT TO SEE NARUTO'S PROGRESS!!!!!

[neomaster121]

well surprised about this chapter so much on sasuke which i wasn't expecting, sasuke lieing to hawk lieing to mandara

the guy sounds like idiot pain, Maybe after they loose all there family then they might understand my hate i seriously hope that this was just a lie to mandara
man the raikage looks ugly and at least those sasuke vs raikage people will keep that idea dead

well sasuke sounds like a self centred crazyy man he didn't kill u cause he loved you not cause your more important tp than the village, lol if itachi was still alive and heard that itachi would kill sasuke, thats worser than the trouble which would have been caused than the uchiha's

but ah well i'll wait for the chapter sad now i hope THIS is the last of sasuke for a while

[DanteSonOfSparda]

if he frees itachi of his guilt, he can't blame madara either, still works.

Definately NOT. Did you read my post?

Itachi went on a killing spree because he was forced to fight on on of the two sides. Eihter he went with Konoha to kill off the Uchihas, or he went with the Uchiha to kill of the rest of Konoha. he decided for the lesser of two evils, killing every Uchiha excluding his brother.

Madara on the other hand was just pissed the Uchiha didn't want him as a leader no more. He even said in the manga "having a grudge against the Uchiha"

[bean]

Don't lie you do care about your post count, it's about pride and honour.

LOL Sasuke is a really good actor, I think he's pulling off an Itachi and pretending to be bad.


Aww man, really? I think I was the first one to mention the term EMS. I wanted to brag about how it spread. :(
the number doesn't matter to me (I post so much because I like most of the people here), what I care about is that some of my posts that I was hoping to reference sooner or later when they came true probably got deleted....alexis gets what I'm saying.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Aww man, really? I think I was the first one to mention the term EMS. I wanted to brag about how it spread. :(

I thought I was the 1st one to shorten Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan to EMS.

[xXOffspringXx]

i think that sasuke is just lying to madara so that he will trust him, or atleast i hope so.
it would be stupid if sasuke stayed just a homicidal cry baby wanting to kill everyone so he can feel better. it is much more interesting if he would betray madara and it makes the most sense

[wendigo2k]

Man why does Naruto cry so much!

that's because real men cry sometimes ^_-
is the Sasuke/Madara flashback script really long or is there still some place in the chapter for more naruto pages except one where he is crying on?
I so hope that raikage had some ninja following sasuke to their hideout it's kind of disappointing that Team Hawk could get away like this...

[Alexis]

I thought I was the 1st one to shorten Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan to EMS.
And now we will never know the truth...

But what I meant was, I believe I mentioned "Eternal" while the spoilers we had said Permanent.
Sounds better than PMS.

[Jadedmariner]

That seemed like a pretty pointless chapter to me. Most of the information of that conversation we already knew and the rest many assumed.

So if he isn't misleading Madara he just wrote a chapter boring those who already believed Sasuke wanted to destroy all of Konoha and ruining the surprise for all that didn't.

If he is misleading Madara it's going to require an enormous plot hole since he is now planning to attack Konoha in the near immediate future so he'd have to flip sides right away. The problem is if he did you would seriously have to question why the heck he would have captured the 8-tails for Madara.
[hr]

And now we will never know the truth...

Ooooo, well then I did!!!!! Mwhahahahaha!!!!!

(Even though I absolutely didn't)

[Rahan]

Anyone thinks the reason Pain is so slow is that he is heading for the Frog Mountain too and it's a one-month walk ?
Zetsu might have overheard something in Konoha about him leaving. I am sure his true role in Akatsuki is to be the spy, not the fights recorder.

[Dark_Pirate_King]

i just hope that kishi would leave sasugay to lick his wounds for now (maybe few chapters or more)now when everybody knows how EMO sasuke is kishi should focus on the MAIN character of the story and i really mean full chapter's of naruto..not like 3 pages of naruto training and then 15 pages of sasuke crying over his brother and whining about everything.
this is only my opinion so don't whine about it TOO much..so no offence to sasuke fan boys/girls

and sorry about my bad english

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

And now we will never know the truth...

But what I meant was, I believe I mentioned "Eternal" while the spoilers we had said Permanent.
I thought the shortening would sound better than PMS.

Oh! LOL, I guess what we're posting on here will be deleted as well. :(


I don't know why Sasuke would lie to Taka since he seemed to care about them good enough during the fight. But maybe it's because they aren't senju dogs from Konoha :p

[Aizen Sama]

I think Kishi is trying to stall until he reveals a revelation to Naruto. I also believe that Sasuke is telling the truth. He used this last mission to prove to himself that he could beat Naruto in bijuu form and know he knows there is nothing that can stop him from destroying Konoha. He wants everyone in konoha to feel his hatred. I hope he succeeds and Naruto comes back to see the village devastated.

[chess4]

konoha is some trouble......pain and konan i think they can handle. team hawk doesnt stand a real chance because if they are going after the elders then root and the anbu will join the party fa sho, but to take on the lightning country in a full scale war, then that would be a bit much on them

[vintagemistakes]

Is Sasuke aware that someone is on their way to capture the Kyuubi?

cause the whole thing about him healing and then going to Konoha sounds ridiculous. Does he actually think he can go to Konoha and succede in his goal to kill the elders?

so what I'm thinking is that he knows that someone is going to capture Naruto and that Konoha would then send every top level nin after him and once Konohas defenses are weakend, that would be Sasukes opportunity to sneak into Konoha and take out the elers and Danzo

[Alexis]

Anyone thinks the reason Pain is so slow is that he is heading for the Frog Mountain too and it's a one-month walk ?
Pain is always slow. It took him a few chapters to get to where Konan was. And he said "we're going to Konoha" in one chaper, while two weeks later, he was still in Amagakure, and again said "we're going to Konoha"

I was like, go already!
[hr]

we already shortened Makngekyo Sharingan to MS so its only logical that would of happened to Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan...
Because the spoilers referred to it as "Permanent", not Eternal.
I'm pretty sure I was one of the first to post in the spoiler topic that day, regarding the possibility that Kakashi could have "Eternal" Mangekyou Sharingan. I prefered that term over Permanent. Mainly because it shortens down to something nicer than PMS. (Not that I think he could have it any more. The qualifications for it back then were pretty vague.)

[bean]

Oh! LOL, I guess what we're posting on here will be deleted as well. :(


I don't know why Sasuke would lie to Taka since he seemed to care about them good enough during the fight. But maybe it's because they aren't senju dogs from Konoha :p
he's lying to madara about lying to taka...sasuke is spinning some web.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

are you guys serious... I hope not. I mean, the term EMS is so rudimentary why would you want to take credit and or brag about that?


LOL I know, but I used it first :p

Seriously though does anyone else think this chapter will be 20 pages long?

[SquallLeonheart]

pains probably just laying waste to every little bug he sees, creating a path of destruction. Seriously he is so slow, Sasuke beaten the 8th tail and come back to heal his wounds and Pain is nowhere to be seen, unless hes going to the mountain(if hes proclaimed himself godlike he probably knows what it is). How does Sasuke think he can take konoha when orochimaru struggled with both the sound and sand and still only crippled konoha slightly. Akatsuki's lost their terrorist bomber and mass killer Sasori, tbh the rest of hawk will get crushed by most of the konoha kids we know. Sasuke just doesn't think things through at all.

[Tias]

i just hope that kishi would leave sasugay to lick his wounds for now (maybe few chapters or more)now when everybody knows how EMO sasuke is kishi should focus on the MAIN character of the story and i really mean full chapter's of naruto..not like 3 pages of naruto training and then 15 pages of sasuke crying over his brother and whining about everything.
this is only my opinion so don't whine about it TOO much..so no offence to sasuke fan boys/girls

and sorry about my bad english

Well it's 1000 times better then having to see naruto. Ever since sasuke left and 2nd part started we had to endure seeing some stupid clown run around using nothing but the rasengan and kage bunshins.

If you dont like sasuke, well thats up to you, but please, no really, PLEASE keep that kind of garbage away from threads?
i mean sheezh D:
it's a manga, if you dont like it stop reading it.


And on topic:

I saw some people talk about sasukes EMS, the one with his eye showing ( the big one)
i dont see what they mean : /
i dont think he took itachis eyes, i cant see a difference, only alot more detail on how his eye is drawn <_<.


And also, as much of a sasuke fan as i am, i doubt he can take on everyone in the village : /
unless he is something like a madara level above them (like how madara played with narutos team and kiba, shino and hinatas team)

i dont think he will come to konohas front gates and scream some battle cry and draw attention to him, but rather sneak in or something

[bean]

LOL I know, but I used it first :p

Seriously though does anyone else think this chapter will be 20 pages long?
They never are...:s

I just hope there aren't that many wasted panels...or even better would be if this is the last we see of sasuke for a while...he's been in the spot light a bit too long.

[DanteSonOfSparda]

Is Sasuke aware that someone is on their way to capture the Kyuubi?

cause the whole thing about him healing and then going to Konoha sounds ridiculous. Does he actually think he can go to Konoha and succede in his goal to kill the elders?

so what I'm thinking is that he knows that someone is going to capture Naruto and that Konoha would then send every top level nin after him and once Konohas defenses are weakend, that would be Sasukes opportunity to sneak into Konoha and take out the elers and Danzo

When Sasuke said he wanted to kill the elders and danzou, I was pretty sure that we'll see him training for some time before attacking them, but it seems he's about to head to Konoha untrained and only with Taka to back him up.
That means if he really attacks them, he will make use of the confusion pein causes there. Otherwise it'll be Sasuke vs. two students of the first and second Hokage and the leader of root with his walking stick (guys with walking sticks kick ass like noone else, anyone who doesn't agree with me should go and watch House ;))

[Alexis]

LOL I know, but I used it first :p
And I invented the term you shortened down. :p


Seriously though does anyone else think this chapter will be 20 pages long?
Aren't they always about 17? What makes you think it's going to be 20?
I want to know what the Raikage said.

P.S. Next week we'll see Pain in Amagakure, saying "Ok, now we leave for Konoha!"

[Tsukisama]

No more discussion about deleted posts. The old spoiler archive threads were just gargantuan; they took up so much space, and since many of the older posts were quite obsolete at this point (we did not expect users to search through over 5,000 posts for something), we thought that it would be best to delete the really big old spoiler threads (the ones for Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece).

Any more discussion on this matter will be deleted. Stick to discussing the spoilers in the spoiler discussion thread.

[llamapie]

I told you guys Sasuke turned into the true villian of the story. Good mangas always try to get you to like him then make him break your heart this way.

IE:
Gungrave.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

And I invented the term you shortened down. :p


Aren't they always about 17? What makes you think it's going to be 20?
I want to know what the Raikage said.

P.S. Next week we'll see Pain in Amagakure, saying "Ok, now we leave for Konoha!"

Well it seems the chapter is mostly about Sasuke and him talking to Madara, there is also some stuff on the Raikage, and there should be more stuff on Naruto, hmm... I guess you can fit them all in 17 pages.

[chess4]

when pain attacks konoha, the frog left behind will come get pa toad and naruto. i think naruto is going to come face to face with pain, and knowing naruto he will attack pain cant wait to see what happens

[Sherbetmayhem]

No more discussion about deleted posts. The old spoiler archive threads were just gargantuan; they took up so much space, and since many of the older posts were quite obsolete at this point (we did not expect users to search through over 5,000 posts for something), we thought that it would be best to delete the really big old spoiler threads (the ones for Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece).

Any more discussion on this matter will be deleted. Stick to discussing the spoilers in the spoiler discussion thread.


:oh

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You mean the post count thing :D I just go so, so confused then :D

On topic:

I do think a change back to Konoha might be nice now. I do enjoy the bits with Sasuke - I think they've all been quite thrilling up to now, and it's good to see Kishi's other characters, but I'm starting to miss the people in Konoha. Hopefully they'll show up soon :)

[Alexis]

Well it seems mostly the chapter is about Sasuke and him talking to Madara, there is also some stuff on the Raikage, and there should be more stuff on Naruto, hmm... I guess you can fit them all in 17 pages.
I remember the chapter about two or three weeks ago. Many people mentioned that it felt really short, and when I read it, I couldn't believe it was more than 9 pages, but it was.

Anyway, chapters filled with discussion usually feel longer, so I hope that's the case here. I wonder why no one translated what the Raikage said though? There are pictures after all.

http://b.imagehost.org/0832/vcvrev.png

By the way, that girl shown next to the Raikage looks pretty cool.


You mean the post count thing :D I just go so, so confused then :D
Probably all things related to the deleted posts.

[Rahan]

Well it seems the chapter is mostly about Sasuke and him talking to Madara, there is also some stuff on the Raikage, and there should be more stuff on Naruto, hmm... I guess you can fit them all in 17 pages.

Actually, it looks like the Madara Sasuke talk fits on 3 pages. There is the Mizukage page too. So, we may have 13 pages of senjutsu training Naruto, Pein saying he is going to Konoha and Konoha

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Actually, it looks like the Madara Sasuke talk fits on 3 pages. There is the Mizukage page too. So, we may have 13 pages of senjutsu training Naruto, Pein saying he is going to Konoha and Konoha

You could be right, I guess the spoiler guy wasn't keen on elaborating on Naruto's plot.

[Alexis]

There is the Mizukage page too.
The Mizukage is Madara. :p I think you mean Raikage.

If I knew my kanji better, I could type out what he is saying so someone could translate, but I don't know. =(

[Sherbetmayhem]

Actually, it looks like the Madara Sasuke talk fits on 3 pages. There is the Mizukage page too. So, we may have 13 pages of senjutsu training Naruto, Pein saying he is going to Konoha and Konoha

Yeah, there will probably be a lot more Naruto in the upcoming chaps. I sense it ^_^ And Pein's walk to Konoha has been the longest ever! So hopefully a bit of him as well!!

I'm still super excited about Jiraiya's book. Hopefully there will be a little more about it in the rest of the pages :)

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http://b.imagehost.org/0832/vcvrev.png

By the way, that girl shown next to the Raikage looks pretty cool.

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Seems like the Lightning country is where the black people live. But there could be some conspiracy against Kishi if it turns out to be that the Lightning country and the Raikage are bad.

[Quetz]

I don't get what's left for naruto to get done in the senjutsu training. Unless it's like perfection of hermit mode or something, we've successfully managed to glaze over him quite expertly.

[vintagemistakes]

I don't get what's left for naruto to get done in the senjutsu training. Unless it's like perfection of hermit mode or something, we've successfully managed to glaze over him quite expertly.
I guess he still has to learn how to use it on his own and be able to effectively maintain the balance when he's under duress and not get flustered and turn into a frog..

[BlkHorus]

Well ain't this some crap! We all know that Sasuke was gonna go further and descend into darkness. Kishi really could have summed this all up in one chapter about 8 chapters ago. But no, expect him to drag out bs dealing with Sasuke for chapters upon chapters, while naruto gets it all in one chapter. He is putting no time into the main character of what the manga is about. THe only saving point at this point of the manga (and I do mean saving in teh weakest point... cause the manga has lost alot of its shine that made it good in part one), is that just maybe having Sasuke and Pain both heading for Konoha at this time will lead Naruto to either one of two things. Return to in time to have to battle off both (highly unlikely bcuz Kishi hates to put Naruto on a better level than Sasuke in part two of the manga); or two, Naruto returns late to see all the damage and pain that has transpired since he has been gone (more along the lines of what Kishi would do since Naruto is usually too late to arrive when it deals with Sasuke in some form or fashion).

And I predicted it to the point, that the title at teh bottom of the previous chapter text saying what would naruto do with Jiraiya's book after reading. I said he would do nothing at all. And the chapter would go on with Sasuke for no apparent reason.

I now know what is in Kishi's mind -------jibberish!lol

[chess4]

if the spoilers are correct, sasuke did mention the same senju, maybe will gwt some back story on them soon

[Rahan]

if the spoilers are correct, sasuke did mention the same senju, maybe will gwt some back story on them soon

You reminded me Sasuke never questionned what / who / where were the Senju, so I guess there are really a lot of them in Konoha, it's not like they were an extinct clan like we first thought.

Kishi will make guys pop out of blue claiming "we are the Senjus and we are stronger than the Uchihas who are godlike" and Amaterasu them before Naruto arrives.

[V1c0]

Verification Confirmed
Translation: Cry of the Hawk

Here's my translation of everything. I believe it's much clearer:

サスケさんがハジけ過ぎてて噴いた。
Sasuke-san has flipped his lid and gone ape-shit. (spoiler writer comments)

「一つ大切な事を聞く　イタチの生き様を知ったお前がイタチの意志を継ぎ木ノ葉を守るという考えもある・・ ・本当のことを言え・・・お前はどうしたい？」
Madara-"There's something important I wanna hear from you. Seeing as you know of Itachi's life and his intention for you to inherit his will, tell me the truth.... What do you wish to do?"

「・・・イタチは俺に命をかけて里を守る生き様を見せてくれた」
Sasuke-"...Itachi showed me that he dedicated his life to risking himself for the village."

「だが俺にとってはそんな生き様よりもイタチを失った悲しみの方が深い・・・どうしようもなく な」
Sasuke- "But as far as I'm concerned, I can't help but feel that losing Itachi is a far greater sorrow."

「イタチを犠牲にした平和などｵﾚの望むものじゃない　真実を知った今イタチの生き様を継ぎ木ノ葉を守る事 などｵﾚには到底出来ない」
Sasuke- "I didn't wish for Itachi to be a sacrifice of 'peace'. Knowing the truth now, taking up Itachi's mantle and protecting Konoha is something I cannot do."

「そして上層部の三人は絶対に許せない　イタチの命を代償にしてへらへらと平和を満喫している木ノ葉の連中 も同罪だ」
Sasuke- "And I can't forgive the three elders. A frivolous peace for Konoha revel in, which Itachi payed for with his life. Konoha's hands are just as bloody."

「殺るのは上層部だけじゃなかったのか？」
Madara- "Weren't you only going to kill the elders?"

「イヤ・・ｵﾚ一人で木ノ葉の全員を殺りたいからな　”鷹”の前ではそう言っただけだ」
Sasuke- "No. I want to slaughter all of Konoha myself. I only said that in front of "Hawk"."

「それは本当か？あれだけの生き様を見せられてイタチの意志・・・守ろうとしたものを無にしていいと本気で そう思えるのか？」
Madara- "Is that right? Even when shown what Itachi's life was about and knowing his will...you would bring what he attempted to protect for naught? Are your words truly what they claim to be?"

「アンタは言ったな　イタチがどうしてｵﾚを殺せなかったのか　イタチにとってオレの命は里よりも重かった からだと」
Sasuke- "You said it yourself: Why didn't Itachi kill me? Answer: Because to Itachi, my life held more weight than the village itself."

「オレも同じだ・・・オレにとってイタチの命は里よりも重い・・・それだけのことだ」
Sasuke- "It's the same thing as far as I'm concerned. Itachi's life holds more weight for ME. That's all there is to it."

「・・・うちはを差別し！両親を兄弟に殺めさせ！そのイタチを追い込み　殺した上層部も！」
Sasuke- "Fucking elders discriminated against the Uchiha, had brothers kill parents and drove Itachi to his death!"

「そして千手を慕う木ノ葉の連中も！　全てがクソの掃き溜めだ！　全てが復讐の対象だ！」
「・・・・」
Sasuke- "And Konoha, the ass-kissers to the Senju. Pieces of shit not fit for trash. All will be targets for my vengeance!


「オレを感情的に動くガキだとバカにするならそれでもいい　イタチの意志を受け入れるなどキレ イ事だ」
Sasuke- "It's fine if you take me as a fool being moved by his emotions. After all, inheriting Itachi's will would be such a beautiful thing."
(trans note: his sarcasm is flowing right off the page, lol)

「憎しみを知らぬ者どもの戯言だ　もしオレの生き様を否定するような奴らがいるならそいつらの大切な人間を 片っ端から殺してやる！」
Sasuke- "It just amounts to verbal diarrhea, coming from those who know nothing about hatred. If there are any who would deny a life such as mine, let's see them when every last one of their loved ones are killed off!"

「そうすれば少しは理解するだろう・・・このオレの憎しみを」
Sasuke- "Then, maybe, just maybe... they'd begin to comprehend my hate."

「・・・（人は愛情を知ったとき・・・憎しみのリスクを背負う）」
...(The capacity for hate is always present for those who have known love)...

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「約束どおり八尾はつれてきた」
"We brought the 8-tails as you requested."

「よくやったなお前ならやれると信じていた・・どこへ行く?」
Madara-"Well done. I believed the job would get done if it was you. Where are (you) going?"

「まずは傷を癒す　それから・・・　木　ノ　葉　だ　」
Sasuke-"It's time to heal up our wounds. Then...Konoha.

もわもわもわーん
Hmhmhmhmmmmmm

回想スタート
Start: Flashback


Portuguese Translation By V1c0.

Aqui está a minha tradução do Spoiler. Eu acho que está bem mais fácil de se entender.

Susuke-san deu uma piscada(na palpebra) e que tá toda ferrada... (By V1c0 - Sangrando).

Madara- "Há alguma coisa importante que eu quero ouvir de você. Agora que você sabe da vida do Itachi e da intenção dele para você dar continuidade a vontade dele, me diga a verdade... O que você deseja fazer?"

Sasuke- "...Itachi me mostrou que ele dedicou a vida dele para salvar Konoha."

Sasuke- "Mas mesmo tão envolvido como eu estou, eu não posso deixar de sentir uma grande tristeza por perde-lo."

Sasuke-"Eu não desejei que Itachi fosse um sacrifício para obter a "paz". Sabendo da verdade agora, agirdo mesmo modo que Itachi e usar sua filosofia para proteger Konoha é algo que eu não posso fazer."

Sasuke- "E eu não posso perdoar os três Anciões. Um paz fútil(By V1c0: Pode ser lido como: uma aparente paz) em Konoha mostra como o Itachi acabou pagando com a vida dele. As mãos de Konoha são somente sangue."

Madara- "Você não ia só matar os anciões?"

Sasuke- "Não. Eu quero matar todos de Konoha com minhas próprias mãos. Eu só falei isso na frente do "Hawk"."

Madara- " Isto está certo? Mesmo quando mostrei a vida de Itachi e agora sabendo o desejo dele... você deseja fazer com o que ele tanto protegeu sirva de nada? Suas palavras realmente falam a verdade sobre o que você clama em fazer?" (By V1c0 Clama= deseja fazer. O Tobi[Madara] está falando nesse tom formal mesmo]).

Sasuke- "Você mesmo disse: Porque o Itachi não me matou? Resposta: Porque para Itachi, minha vida valia mais do que os de todos de Konoha."

Sasuke- "É o mesma coisa que eu considero. A vida de Itachi tinha muito mais valor para min. Isso é tudo para min."

Sasuke- "Aqueles filhos da puta dos Anciões descriminaram os Uchihas, fazendo com que um filho matasse os seus parentes e assim fazendo com que Itachi caminhasse para a morte dele!"

Sasuke- "E Konoha, bando de paga pau do primeiro Hokage, o Senju. Bando de filhos da puta, não servem nem como lixos. Serão todos alvos da minha vingança!"

Sasuke- "É bom eles acharem que eu estou sendo movido pelas minhas emoções. Afinal de contas, dar continuidade ao desejo de Itachi seria tão bonito."
(Nota: Nessa parte ai vocês podem notar um grande sarcasmo de Sasuke aew, como se ele quisesse herdar as vontades/desejos de Itachi, como ele falou antes, não é otario para segui isso. By V1c0.)

Sasuke- "Isso é só um monte de merda que falam, vindo daqueles que não sabem nada sobre o ódio. Se há alguem que não negaria uma vida como a minha, então vamos ver se ele aguentar quando perderem os seus últimos entes queridos."

Sasuke- "Então, aí, TALVEZ... eles vão começar a entender o meu ódio."

...(A capacidade de odiar está sempre presente naqueles que já conheceram o amor)...

"Nós pegamos o Oito-Caudas como você pediu,"

Madara- "Bom trabalho. Eu sabia que o trabalho poderia ser feito se fosse você. Onde você está indo?"

Sasuke- "É hora de curar nossas feridas. Então... Konoha."

Hmhmhmhmhmhmhm

Começa o FlashBack.

[makko]

I don't get what's left for naruto to get done in the senjutsu training. Unless it's like perfection of hermit mode or something, we've successfully managed to glaze over him quite expertly.

c'mon man its training... nobody knows. Other than doing it without the oil there could be much more. Also he is reading the book and understanding things. This trip is about more than just Senjutsu.

Man if Sasuke is faking i hope he doesn't actually believe that he's fooling Madara. I just don't see it. Don't see Sasuke fooling a man that has been in the Ninja world this long. Madara has seen it all... he knows better. This is just shaping up long term to be Sasuke trying to take out Madara somehow and needing to be saved by Konoha. Although Konoha won't want to because he's a fugitive and considered evil (this 8tail act was the last straw). A secret team of Naruto, Sakura, Sai, Kakashi and maybe Shikamaru will have to go save him against orders. Maybe Yamato will go to... but get killed.

I'm also anticipating maybe a small encounter with Pein. We've all said it before but Kakashi and Pain in a short face off would be nice. With Kakashi getting slightly pushed back but learning something important about Pein.

[chess4]

You reminded me Sasuke never questionned what / who / where were the Senju, so I guess there are really a lot of them in Konoha, it's not like they were an extinct clan like we first thought.

Kishi will make guys pop out of blue claiming "we are the Senjus and we are stronger than the Uchihas who are godlike" and Amaterasu them before Naruto arrives.

i still think on naruto is a senju member......maybe some of the ninja we already know may be senju, just hard for me to believe 1 of the strongest clans has only 1 surviving member

[nat]

Hmm, finally something interesting will happen. The translated text shows everything more clearly. I am glad Sasuke thinks that way, I was hoping for it. Now my only hope is that he goes along with this new plan. Since he beginning to show 2 faces, I wonder which one is the truthful one..

But honestly, everything he said about Konoha being ass-kissers to Senju and all the bullshit about the "will of 'verbal diarrhea'" sums up all my opinions about them. I used to like them, now I think it is the most interesting turn of events if they burn of the face of the earth. While Itachi was a philosopher, Sasuke is practical. and his love for his brother showed him new horizons.

Though I don't think he will kill civilians...Only Ninja, buts that's good enough for me..Pein starts the war machine, Sasuke maintains its work and Madara pulls the final plug. Sounds logical.

Kill em all.....except Naruto and Sakura, that is.

[Criss-Kun]

Ok, now i'm seriously PIS**D OFF of Sasuke's Hulk-Style "more hatred = more power".
I just hope, from the bottom of my heart, that he goes to "slaughter all of Konoha himself". and DIE, DAMNIT :notrust

And his arrogance also got in my nerves. HOLY F*** does he seriously thinks he can beat HUNDREDS of Shinobi with TIMES more experience and power than him, for his "revenge".

FU***ING GROW UP, WILL YOU?! :D

There, I feel way better now! :leepose

[bean]

I don't get what's left for naruto to get done in the senjutsu training. Unless it's like perfection of hermit mode or something, we've successfully managed to glaze over him quite expertly.
once he gets senjutsu chakra, fuka might show him some special jutsus that can only be done in hermit mode. That, or he'll show him exactly how to use it to get the most use out of it. Maybe senjutsu isn't so plug and play as it seems.

[Quetz]

once he get senjutsu chakra, fuka might show him some special jutsus that can only be done in hermit mode. That, or he'll show him exactly how to use it to get the most use out of it. Maybe senjutsu isn't so plug and play.

That could be interesting. Somehow I doubt we'll get to see the learning process, though. At best it'll be naruto popping up in konoha after pein/sasuke have had their way with it, tired and not ready to face either of them.

[enlightened monkey]

Oh.....ew....Kishimoto once again puts his display of unadorned affection to a secondary character who's fluttery clothing and godlike eyes bored us all quite a while ago...and while he promised a possible look back into the mind and heart of Jiraiya, he instead decides to, *sigh*....*sighs again*....make this manga about...*sigh*...Sasuke. Yeah he's a cool cat and all but...here we were all excited after watching him get pounded in his gaping asshole by the 8-tails...then he miraculously wins...then we see Naruto take a jump in his ability and are tantalized with a possible look into the past or, well, tons of possibilities for whatever Jiraiya's first written piece had in store.

And all of a sudden we have to hear pretty much the same crap of hatred-filled nonsense we heard from Sasuke since the beginning of the manga except now he wants to defeat some of the most powerful shinobi in the ninja world when he just got thrown around like a bitch toy to Hachibi's puppet master. It's starting to get bloody annoying....we already know...Uchiha hate Senju...etc, etc, etc....how long has it been since the MAIN CHARACTER had a fight, again? 2, 3 years? Something like that. How many fights has the little whiner-turned-ohmigod-I'm-too-sexy-for-myself guy with weirdass eyes had? Jeez. Kishi really needs to stop focusing on the cash inflow coming from horny Japanese girls who can't get enough of molecule-shaped eyes and start focusing on a story that's getting ruined by a character he can't stop masturbating to while writing the damn story. Seriously.

[Alexis]

Oh.....ew....Kishimoto once again puts his display of unadorned affection to a secondary character who's fluttery clothing and godlike eyes bored us all quite a while ago...and while he promised a possible look back into the mind and heart of Jiraiya, he instead decides to, *sigh*....*sighs again*....make this manga about...*sigh*...Sasuke.
The spoilers mentioned that Naruto will be in the chapter as well.
All we've seen is three pages of Sasuke, and one about Raikage. That leaves about 13 more pages.

Also, Kishimoto said that this year will be mostly about Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi.
So brace yourself.

[lostrmntic]

Sasuke is just a shotgun of emotions lately, but he always has been. I really do think he's bi-polar. One constant in the manga is how everyone comments on his killing intent. It's like commenting on a virgin who oozes sex appeal and know's it. Seriously, if it was Final Destination and I had a choice of fighting Sasuke to the death, and being locked in a room full of baby kittens, I'd probably choose to fight Sasuke. At least then I'd know I'll live unless I get frustrated enough to kill myself. Sure the man's a bad-ass, but he's not a closer... He probably has every intention of doing the things he cries about, but it doesn't mean he will when the time comes.

[warbandit66]

Oh.....ew....Kishimoto once again puts his display of unadorned affection to a secondary character who's fluttery clothing and godlike eyes bored us all quite a while ago...and while he promised a possible look back into the mind and heart of Jiraiya, he instead decides to, *sigh*....*sighs again*....make this manga about...*sigh*...Sasuke. Yeah he's a cool cat and all but...here we were all excited after watching him get pounded in his gaping asshole by the 8-tails...then he miraculously wins...then we see Naruto take a jump in his ability and are tantalized with a possible look into the past or, well, tons of possibilities for whatever Jiraiya's first written piece had in store.

And all of a sudden we have to hear pretty much the same crap of hatred-filled nonsense we heard from Sasuke since the beginning of the manga except now he wants to defeat some of the most powerful shinobi in the ninja world when he just got thrown around like a bitch toy to Hachibi's puppet master. It's starting to get bloody annoying....we already know...Uchiha hate Senju...etc, etc, etc....how long has it been since the MAIN CHARACTER had a fight, again? 2, 3 years? Something like that. How many fights has the little whiner-turned-ohmigod-I'm-too-sexy-for-myself guy with weirdass eyes had? Jeez. Kishi really needs to stop focusing on the cash inflow coming from horny Japanese girls who can't get enough of molecule-shaped eyes and start focusing on a story that's getting ruined by a character he can't stop masturbating to while writing the damn story. Seriously.

Haha that was like a Zero Punctuation game reveiw just using Naruto as the subject matter. Very well done.

[Csdabest]

I bet I can make the spoiler sound more crazier

[bean]

The spoilers mentioned that Naruto will be in the chapter as well.
All we've seen is three pages of Sasuke, and one about Raikage. That leaves about 13 more pages.

Also, Kishimoto said that this year will be mostly about Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi.
So brace yourself.
the rest of the year has to be just sakura and kakashi to make that claim be true...and even then, it won't be that much.

[enka]

the rest of the year has to be just sakura and kakashi to make that claim be true...and even then, it won't be that much.

Agree. Even if Kishi focus on Sakura and kakashi rest off the year it wouldn't be enough as Sasuke time.

[warbandit66]

The thing is Sasuke is actually interesting enough at the moment to be able to carry the main focus without it being a problem.

[pjoto]

Well it's kinda of a problem :/
Gah, it sucks that Gaara is pretty much tied up in Sand-village, or he and Naruto could team up and go Akatsuki-hunting, now THAT would be entertainment!

[enlightened monkey]

He's been interesting for over 2 years it's time to make someone else in the manga interesting like, say, the main character. Remember Neji? Kakashi? Orochimaru? Sarutobi? Those guys were all interesting too but the flaw in this part of the story at the moment is that we've seen fight after fight after storyline plot after pose after fetish (biting a bite-filled arm? like, wow, okay. Can Naruto do something freaky plz?) after power jump after....it's time for someone else asides from some guy with cheese-filled eyes to take over for even a little while. Kishi needs a break from all the semen he's spraying on his Sasuke dolls, y'know?

[nat]

The thing is Sasuke is actually interesting enough at the moment to be able to carry the main focus without it being a problem.

It is so sad but true, the only time Naruto held a long time in the story was his training and it got a bit boring after the affinities' lesson. Before it was divided between everyone, the other one to hold attention was Shika and he did a brilliant job.

But so far the chapters, especially this one, are developing well since they are building the road for the all out war with Konoha, sure it is not now or within 50 chapters but these "Uchiha" chapters are needed.


Plus Kakashi's big thing has be either with Pein or Sasuke, coz other wise he doesn't interact with the villains. Unless Kabuchimaru pops in. Or it is story time about Konoha's hokages with Kakashi-sensei.[Madara did his share]

[Sentou Ryoku]

Kishimoto needs to get on with the attack on Konoha already....geez. YET another flashback chapter this week too, from the looks of it, damn.

[Oddzilla]

I think Sasuke is attempting to play Madara. I also think that Sasuke knows Madara has lied to him about alot of things, but he still has a need to get Madara to trust him so he tells him alot of the things he thinks Madara wants to hear.

I do think he wants revenge on the top three in Konoha. I don't think he would hurt anyone else in Konoha if he didn't have to. He will also have a hand (if not doing it himself) in taking care of Madara. Sasuke has to play to Madara's overconfidence and arrogance. Sasuke should know how to do it. He's very similiar. But I think he's realized that there's a greater good and that he had what he thought he was missing all along.

In the end, I really feel that Sasuke will be shown to be the hero his brother hoped he would become out of all of this. And I think that Naruto will be the one helping him. it may not look like it at first, but in the end, it'll work out that way.

Just my thoughts.

[bighawke5]

Ok...So. The conversation was the flashback. How in the world do you go from wanting to kill everone and i lied infront of hawk. To teary eyed flash back of your old comrades and OMG KARIN! lol I think along with aquiring MS. I think sasuke got a case of Skitzophrenia or suddenly became Bi-polar.

LOL nice to hear that from a sasuke fan i thought all u guys were blinded by his awesomeness and tought he was perfect in every way lol /sarcasm

but yea like sasuke himself said in the given spoiler...he doesnt care if you call him a fool moved by his emotions. he'd kill those close to you to make him understand his hatred lol

The guy has gone MENTAL and trying to take all konoha by himself...yea he's invincible (sarcasm) but its konoha we're talking about and yea sasuke will have the help of akatsuki but it wont be a walk in the park

OH!....I CANT WAIT TO SEE HIM GET ROUGHED UP BY NARUTO A LIL...I CANT WAIT FOR HIM TO BE TAUGHT A LESSON BY EVEN KAKASHI...IT WONT JUST BRUISE HIM PHYSICALLY BUT MENTALLY AS WELL!
I just want him to heal in a second on the spot so he could be on his way to konoha this chapter and put his skills where his BIG MOUTH IS!

[DanteSonOfSparda]

i still think on naruto is a senju member......maybe some of the ninja we already know may be senju, just hard for me to believe 1 of the strongest clans has only 1 surviving member

Wasn't it said in the manga that The Senju and the Uchiha fused and built Konoha?
That means every ninja with a leaf headband who isn't an Uchiha has to be a descendant of the senju...

[bighawke5]

i hope sauske lied about killing everyone in konoha

lol i hope he didnt i actually want to see him try haha

[warbandit66]

lol i hope he didnt i actually want to see him try haha

Same here, it's not as if he wouldn't be able to get the manpower. Remember the prisoners he along with Suigetsu released? Suigetsu made Sasuke out to be some sort of radical leader.

[dragon2021]

You know I thought Madara might have been setting Pein up, but now based on these spoilers I think he Thinks Pein will be Successful. I mean he states heal your wounds and then Konah. This means that all of his plans for the destruction of konah are ready or will be once Sasuke's wounds are healed. However, what will he do if Pein fails? Will he still atack Konah or wait? I think Sasuke is playing him. However, there are many things that Sasuke does not know like about the Rakage and mybe a posibile aliance with Donzo and Madara. This is heating up, but could blow up in Sasukes face.

[neomaster121]

well if he does then it will be definitatly meaning a sasuke vs naruto battle

if not a kakashi vs sasuke first

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

I don't get what's left for naruto to get done in the senjutsu training. Unless it's like perfection of hermit mode or something, we've successfully managed to glaze over him quite expertly.

Really???
You really don't know what's left? What is genjutsu or ninjutsu? Techniques, right. Well, Naruto is just learning how to use natural chakra. Natural chakra is used to do senjutsu. It's just ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu using natural chakra. He's learned how to use natural chakra but he's missing something. What could it be? Oh yeah, he doesn't know any techniques that he can use with natural chakra. He still has to learn senjutsu techniques. That's just my guess, but I could be wrong; it has happened before.

Anyway, it look like Sasuke is gonna need an old fashion ass kickin. But the good thing is that we might actually get to see another ninja war. If Naruto is gonna bring peace to the world, he kinda needs to meet with other country leaders, and what better way than a ninja war. If Sasuke is serious about attacking everyone in Konoha, that would mean that Madara, Pein, and Sasuke would be going after Konoha. As much as I don't like Sasuke, I will admit that no one in Konoha will be able to handle him single-handedly (except for Tsunade or Kakashi, but they can't handle Pein or Madara). I don't think that Naruto will be able to make it to Konoha in time, and even if he does he won't be able to handle all three. I'm just as sure that Tsunade is gonna die as I was that Jariaya was gonna die(I will admit that I didn't see that Orochimaru death coming). Anyway, I think that Sasuke may have different motives from Madara and Pein but I think that he really does want to destroy Konoha. And as long as Naruto is trying to protect Konoha, a Sasuke vs Naruto part 2 is inevitable. I'm more interested in seeing that than I am seeing Naruto vs Pein.

[bighawke5]

Yeah, I just read through them...
I don't know about you guys, but if those translations are true, I'm pleading to deprive Sasuke of his sanity:

He knows that his brother struck a deal with the Konoha higher ups to kill his own clan (excluding Sasuke) just so that Konoha would stay stable. That means his priorities were "Sasuke > Konoha > Uchiha Clan"

I could understand that he was mad at the higher-ups for being responsible for his messed-up childhood, but I wonder why he wants to kill all the konoha people who had absolutely nothing to do with it :blink
I think the fact that he was the one who killed Itachi might have messed up his head big time:darn

yea as far as why he's going to kill konoha you gotta understand sasuke has not had the influence of "good mentors" (i.e kakashi who he only stayed with for a few months nor the likes of jiraiya or other good guys that are smarter and wiser and good..not evil)

You also gotta remember the kid is 16 so lots of emotions going throughout him right now since puberty lol im understanding that kishi is trying to make him react like any typical teenager being influenced by someone much more smarter that knows how to control ppl (i.e madara).

Madara is smart and by having that talk he had with sasuke and feeding him his version of what happened with itachi....rose an insurmountable level of anger in sasuke and its shoowing now as sasuke is planning to take out all konoha!

Sasuke is smart but not that smart...he's still a growing kid thus someone infuencial could make him do their biding. his intelligence is like 3.5 in the databook and if you call naruto dumb with a 3.0 intelligence then sasuke isnt too far...i don't wanna get into the whole databook talks but you get my point...they're kids compared to smart ppl like madara, who's plan to get sasuke in his camp worked. his story bout itachi might have been tru or false but he knew how to put it out there in a way that would give him results...and that was to get sasuke with him. he succeeded looks like LOL

hopefully naruto turns sasuke's immature mind around...by knocking him around a bit like he said he would back in part 1..
"naruto: i'll get you back even if i have to break your legs and arms (or something of the sort)"
now he can actually make it come true by mastering senjutsu

[neomaster121]

Really???
You really don't know what's left? What is genjutsu or ninjutsu? Techniques, right. Well, Naruto is just learning how to use natural chakra. Natural chakra is used to do senjutsu. It's just ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu using natural chakra. He's learned how to use natural chakra but he's missing something. What could it be? Oh yeah, he doesn't know any techniques that he can use with natural chakra. He still has to learn senjutsu techniques. That's just my guess, but I could be wrong; it has happened before.

Anyway, it look like Sasuke is gonna need an old fashion ass kickin. But the good thing is that we might actually get to see another ninja war. If Naruto is gonna bring peace to the world, he kinda needs to meet with other country leaders, and what better way than a ninja war. If Sasuke is serious about attacking everyone in Konoha, that would mean that Madara, Pein, and Sasuke would be going after Konoha. As much as I don't like Sasuke, I will admit that no one in Konoha will be able to handle him single-handedly (except for Tsunade or Kakashi, but they can't handle Pein or Madara). I don't think that Naruto will be able to make it to Konoha in time, and even if he does he won't be able to handle all three. I'm just as sure that Tsunade is gonna die as I was that Jariaya was gonna die(I will admit that I didn't see that Orochimaru death coming). Anyway, I think that Sasuke may have different motives from Madara and Pein but I think that he really does want to destroy Konoha. And as long as Naruto is trying to protect Konoha, a Sasuke vs Naruto part 2 is inevitable. I'm more interested in seeing that than I am seeing Naruto vs Pein.

don't forget naruto needs to learn how to use senjutsu without the special oil

[Hurricanes]

It would be funny if sasuke actually tries to take out konoha. He will not even cross the gates to konoha let alone kill everyone :D

[bighawke5]

If this is true then Sasuke is at the gates of Villain territory.

oh he's already passed the gates and is swimming in the presidential pool of villain, my good friend ;)
[hr]

If Sasuke isn't lying about wanting to kill everyone in Konoha, I really hope he tries to invade Konoha and Naruto beats him senseless, his lack of logical thinking hurts my head.

It just doesn't make sense, given the flashback he had in order to save Taka...Of course it seems this weird conversation took place before the Hachibi fight, so he could have changed his mind?

nope he didnt change his mind after the fight with hachibi since he says he's gonna heal and then go take down konoha lol
it seems hachibi hasnt dealt a powerful enough blow at his pride...maybe naruto will?

ugh! cant wait to see him having a hard time against naruto! its gonna be a battle where his pride gets owned then maybe he changes sides and attacks akatsuki? who know with sasuke being by-polar these days....

[Baron Hugenstein]

It would be funny if sasuke actually tries to take out konoha. He will not even cross the gates to konoha let alone kill everyone :D

Lol, he will be kicked out, but he will get in through the back door:darn

[Hurricanes]

oh he's already passed the gates and is swimming in the presidential pool of villain, my good friend ;)

I think he's trying to reach Madara's level of villians lol,

[Baron Hugenstein]

oh he's already passed the gates and is swimming in the presidential pool of villain, my good friend ;)
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nope he didnt change his mind after the fight with hachibi since he says he's gonna heal and then go take down konoha lol
it seems hachibi hasnt dealt a powerful enough blow at his pride...maybe naruto will?

ugh! cant wait to see him having a hard time against naruto! its gonna be a battle where his pride gets owned then maybe he changes sides and attacks akatsuki? who know with sasuke being by-polar these days....

And he already visited the mighty villain fridge:D

It will be funny if Sasuke gets his ass kicked by a senju Naruto and a pissed off Sakura....
But IMO, i can't really see it happen.

[Csdabest]

i think we are going to see alot of flash backs. Alot of Itachi pre massarce flash backs, old team 7 and academy moment flash backs. Then were going to see the flash back of a flash back. Thn were going to flash back where he flashed back of team 7 w/ hawk. Then we going to see Sasuke kick Madara ass

[xcherichix]

Sasuke said he was using Akatsuki, maybe this is all just an act in front of Madara so that Madara thinks Sasuke has gone mad with power O.O

And if that's not the case, I hope Naruto gets the sharingan from Itachi and beats Sasuke senseless

[Dark_Pirate_King]

Well it's 1000 times better then having to see naruto. Ever since sasuke left and 2nd part started we had to endure seeing some stupid clown run around using nothing but the rasengan and kage bunshins.

If you dont like sasuke, well thats up to you, but please, no really, PLEASE keep that kind of garbage away from threads?
i mean sheezh D:
it's a manga, if you dont like it stop reading it.


And on topic:

I saw some people talk about sasukes EMS, the one with his eye showing ( the big one)
i dont see what they mean : /
i dont think he took itachis eyes, i cant see a difference, only alot more detail on how his eye is drawn <_<.


And also, as much of a sasuke fan as i am, i doubt he can take on everyone in the village : /
unless he is something like a madara level above them (like how madara played with narutos team and kiba, shino and hinatas team)

i dont think he will come to konohas front gates and scream some battle cry and draw attention to him, but rather sneak in or something

it was only my opinion...so don't go overboard by saying something like "if you don't like it don't read it."and naruto is training so he don't have to do so many unnecessary kage bunshins and relying only on rasengan/kyuubi :eyeroll
well i agree with you if we are talking about how useless the two and half years of training was..peace..

[laughing@you]

IDK the last spoiler makes it sound like madara and sasuke's conversation took place when he came back with hachibi.

[Superman]

Naruto is a weird manga for the shonen catigory.
A 15 years old boy kills other human beings because he rely on revenge and can only trust himselve ????
Arms get cut off, cheast get oppened, people get killed, recently killed konoha ninjas become zombies and fight against their own home(filler)!!!
A little crazy for shonen right?! Should be seinen.

[xcherichix]

Why is everyone saying that that conversation happened before Sasuke set out for Hachibi? Was there something I missed? It must have happened after because Sasuke said he needed to heal his wounds

[chocohexe]

sasu is just a spoiled brat. i want to punch him so bad. but in the end he is just a teenager.

i want to know what will happen from now on, because if he goes to konoha, he must mess with pains mission. or will those three parner up???

i dont want sasuke as the final villian, because in my is he is to emotional right know.

but in my head is always this theory were he kills tsunade, kaka or some people who naruto holds dear. and that naruto is seeing that, what would he do after that??

nana i will wait for the outcome of this

[bighawke5]

Im starting to see how Madara got pein under his wing. 9/10 he did the same thing to Nagato.

lol i agree with you there..madara has a way with words...but also power and over 100 years of life to back up his false statements...he can twist words and meaning to his likings and get a reaction outta anyone i believe.

[Hurricanes]

This Chapeter is a flashback, it looks like sasuke hasn't actually arrived with 8-tails yet?

[Kabuto]

I read the spoilers and it just sounds like the biggest waste of a chapter..... We already knew Sasukes plans and on top of that we already knew he was using Madara.... There better be some naruto and Raikage dialouge or this chapter would've just been total bullshit.

[xZerapHx]

Does anyone think Naruto will find out who his father is in this chapter?

he'll never find out.... if they haven't allready told him why he resembles yondi so much yet they'll never say it -.-
what i believe right now anyway.. or it'll be like.. pain who says it to him

[danga' manga']

It seems to me that sasuke is playing madara and saying what he thinks madara wants to hear. Since the time skip Sasuke has never been this emotional, he's generally very cold and calculating. He also did have that flashback about team 7. I can't imagine he hates konoha this much.

[Cry of the Hawk]

Everyone, disregard the Chinese text spoiler. Whoever translated it is not a credible and it barely has anything to do with the Japanese text.

[The_Drunk]

Well I guess that confirms my theory that it took Naruto longer than an hour to master collecting natural energy using oil. After Sauske defeated the 8 tails the scene changed to Naruto but we don't know how long it took him. Then the next scene from the spoiler sounds like Sauske is already at his headquarters. It's got to be a good three days walk to get there. So lets just say it took Naruto 2 days to do it. That's sounds believable to me. Becuase he still can't collect natural energy without the oil. He can only do it with the oil.

[bighawke5]

Sasuke said he was using Akatsuki, maybe this is all just an act in front of Madara so that Madara thinks Sasuke has gone mad with power O.O

And if that's not the case, I hope Naruto gets the sharingan from Itachi and beats Sasuke senseless

no a naruto with sharingan is just...no! lol
naruto should kick ass enough after mastering senjutsu and his demon anyway...hopefully what itachi gave him is anything but actual sharingan...its(sharingan) like a automatic win! i dont want naruto to win like sasuke...ITS ALWAYS SO UNSATISFYING lol leaves you this funny feeling of "it was just handed to him because of SHARINGAN!" lol

/sarcasm

[En Yang Ji]

I think Naruto learned who his parents were. That would explain the crying.

[bighawke5]

IDK the last spoiler makes it sound like madara and sasuke's conversation took place when he came back with hachibi.

yea it gave me that feeling and has a bruised up sasuke in it and that was right after the fight with hachibi that he was bruised up so idk...
[hr]

This Chapeter is a flashback, it looks like sasuke hasn't actually arrived with 8-tails yet?

no he got there..he even said here's the 8 tails..im going to get healed then it'll be time for konoha to meet its makers...prob the hokages who made all his anger possible lol

[bean]

sasu is just a spoiled brat. i want to punch him so bad. but in the end he is just a teenager.

i want to know what will happen from now on, because if he goes to konoha, he must mess with pains mission. or will those three parner up???

i dont want sasuke as the final villian, because in my is he is to emotional right know.

but in my head is always this theory were he kills tsunade, kaka or some people who naruto holds dear. and that naruto is seeing that, what would he do after that??

nana i will wait for the outcome of this
have some sympathy for the guy...he had his entire family killed. All he wants is revenge. He's not as fortunate as naruto where naruto grew up without ever knowing his family. Sasuke loved them and they were removed from his life, and not only that, his brother had to force him to hate him...

[bighawke5]

I read the spoilers and it just sounds like the biggest waste of a chapter..... We already knew Sasukes plans and on top of that we already knew he was using Madara.... There better be some naruto and Raikage dialouge or this chapter would've just been total bullshit.

lol thanks to kishi naruto and raikage dialogue combined = 2 pages maybe if we lucky...sigh...kishi...
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have some sympathy for the guy...he had his entire family killed. All he wants is revenge. He's not as fortunate as naruto where naruto grew up without ever knowing his family. Sasuke loved them and they were removed from his life, and not only that, his brother had to force him to hate him...

pretty much agree with you there...plus he's a teenager u know what kind of "mature" reactions can you expect outta him when his hormones are still raging and he had a set of bad mentors who are usng swift ways to get him in their camps, with the exception of kakashi lol

[Cry of the Hawk]

The conversation happened before Hawk set out for the Hachibi. In fact, it's the conversation that caused Madara to say to Zetsu, "I've won over Sasuke" when they were alone after the Hawk/Akatsuki meeting.

Madara's having a flashback to that conversation after seeing Sasuke come back with the Hachibi. That's why it says "Flashback start" at that part.

[Necron]

ok i hate sasuke and stuff but

there are three scenarios that i would accept or even like to see

1st : sasuke betryas madara and tells him sotries and stuff and he wont kill people in konoha , he will just use akatsuki to come to the elders and then betray akatsuki and so on ... and then everything will be fiiiiiine *happy face*

2nd : i would prefer that one more. sasuke has this flashback how he told all that to madara BEFORE the hachibi fight and after he had this team 7 flashbacks and after he started to have feelings for his teammates he overthinks that shit he told madara and everything will be ok again

3rd : my favoriteone :3 sasuke comes to konoha.....
sasuke acts cool and tries to kill everyone
Naruto arrives and O-W-N-E-S sasuke dead

would be very nice end to sasukes brainlessnes

[patedecarne]

The conversation happened before Hawk set out for the Hachibi. In fact, it's the conversation that caused Madara to say to Zetsu, "I've won over Sasuke" when they were alone after the Hawk/Akatsuki meeting.

Madara's having a flashback to that conversation after seeing Sasuke come back with the Hachibi.

Then I think it explains (or not) the situation: probably Sasuke is really trying to buy Madara into his senseless speech, and seems Madara is being dragged into Sasuke's beliefs;

Sasuke probably is going to konoha right now, but I'm not so sure he'll try to destroy it...

[GraveOne]

I really dont think he is smart enoght to understand that Jiraya was his godfather and that his dad was a hokage... and WTF happened to his mum..... killed in the prcoes (sealing the kyubi?) POW or something else?????

Hope Pa frog will tell him something about his parents I really dont think Pain would know that he does not know... kind of confusing :P

[5sealing]

Sasuke is so awesome, he does not need genjutsu to trick Madara. :amuse

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

Sasuke playing his revenge rhapsody...encounters Kakashi:

Sasuke: Return the legacy of Uchihas, you cheap "God eye" stealing bastard.
Kakashi: Well lets have a MS round and see how this goes.
Sasuke: Joto da. I have the worlds most beautiful "atom sharingan"
Kakashi ( Performs your-eyes-transported-to-different-dimension-no-jutsu): Now you see it now you don't!:amuse

I bet Sasuke is just playing Madara...but I really hope he isn't. That would be sweet...I want to see the dilemma faced by Naruto...protect "Entire Konoha" or "Save Friend".

[Kusachu]

OH HOHO! Those spoilers are just too good to be true!! Not that they are fake, but that Sasuke could ever truly be the evilest bastard in the manga to date. I just can't believe it. If it is true that he wants to go there and start murdering people, that would be the absolute BEST THING EVER to happen in the story. But I think he's still just pandering to Madara because he knows that Madara wants/wanted to take over Konoha.

I was so super excited when Sasuke was first shown after his long absence and he was supposedly a "villain", even though I knew it was probably not true, and now it's the same situation. There's this gooey emo crap last chapter about him remembering his friends and acting heroic and all that, and now there's the whole, "Oh that was BS, I'm really only interested in more murder, including the people who I once loved because my hatred can destroy cities," and all that crap. This is also why I like Sasuke so much. He's an unpredictable variable, and you never quite know if he's bullshitting or not because he's a damned good liar.

I'm just so jolly about that boy's strife I just don't know what to do!! XD

In all honesty though, I hope this chapter focuses on Naruto more than Sasuke or Cloud (EDIT I mean Cloud Village. XD I just realized that I used the words Cloud and Strife in the same post without once thinking of the all time king of angst!! lol). I'm all about Naruto and that book from now.

[DanteSonOfSparda]

Sasuke playing his revenge rhapsody...encounters Kakashi:

Sasuke: Return the legacy of Uchihas, you cheap "God eye" stealing bastard.
Kakashi: Well lets have a MS round and see how this goes.
Sasuke: Joto da. I have the worlds most beautiful "atom sharingan"
Kakashi ( Performs your-eyes-transported-to-different-dimension-no-jutsu): Now you see it now you don't!:amuse

I bet Sasuke is just playing Madara...but I really hope he isn't. That would be sweet...I want to see the dilemma faced by Naruto...protect "Entire Konoha" or "Save Friend".

Lol on the "Now you see it, now you don't" XD

The "Protect Konoha or protect friend" Scenario will definately happen, no matter how Sasuke's relationship to Madara is. I think the fact that Naruto "promised" Itachi not to kill his brother is too important to be left out. Why else would have kishi trnafered Itachi-Power to Naruto

[neomaster121]

whats going on

sasukes just repeating everything pain said but instead of pain hes sharing the hatred

[Kusachu]

I bet Sasuke is just playing Madara...but I really hope he isn't. That would be sweet...I want to see the dilemma faced by Naruto...protect "Entire Konoha" or "Save Friend".


You raise an interesting point, and if it came to that, well, I have to say I would be very happy, even though I'm a staunch supporter of there not ever being another "death-match". But then, the things I want to see, and the things I think might happen are usually all reversed, so sigh. It's nice being right, but I would rather be satisfied. :eyeroll

[chocohexe]

no i dont understand him, i dont like people like him, hanging on the past like this. i know children who had it worse (i know is just a story). and those kids making somthing out of there life. but even so i also know the sasuke type xP. and this ones are annoying alsways whining and bitching because they had a bad childhood, and messing up there lives *grr*. (but thats a personel thing)

and i alos know he gets easylie manipulated by madara. and i also wrote i really dont know how far this will go.

and personaly i dont know wich of them had ist worse. an orphan who is hated by everybody, for things he havent even done. alway wondering why his parents threw him away. that also is a shitty live. but to know the anwser to this impossiple just like the question.... which was first there the ey or the chicken xDD

[Kusachu]

And P.S., if I ever hear anyone call Sasuke "stoic" again after this chapter, I'm going to put my head through a wall. Nothing about that boy has ever been stoic.

[pijo]

I'm not buying the whole "Bastard Sasuke" act.
Had we not seen the Team 7 flashback [of sorts], I'd probably believe it, but the image of the sentimental Sasuke right next to Sasuke the destroyer of worlds doesn't really fit well.
I'm 99% certain [Or perhaps, hoping] that it's just a ploy on Madara to let him to go Konoha, as he knows somebody from Akatsuki has been sent to capture Naruto, and wants to go to defend him.
Soppy and sentimental that sounds, it fits into the general feel of Naruto than to suddenly turn Sasuke into a villain. After all, if Naruto is forced to kill Sasuke, it completely destroys the idea of the "Ninja who never gives up", and so Jiraiya's death will be cheapened a little.

[makko]

Well I guess that confirms my theory that it took Naruto longer than an hour to master collecting natural energy using oil. After Sauske defeated the 8 tails the scene changed to Naruto but we don't know how long it took him. Then the next scene from the spoiler sounds like Sauske is already at his headquarters. It's got to be a good three days walk to get there. So lets just say it took Naruto 2 days to do it. That's sounds believable to me. Becuase he still can't collect natural energy without the oil. He can only do it with the oil.

Just my opinion: i wouldn't get into the wrapped up in timing. Kishi can do what he wants. For all we know it took Naruto a week to do. Kishi can skip around as he pleases. Whats going on with Naruto can take a week while the fight with Sasuke traveling and all took a few days. Its all relative. Right now isn't about time... its mostly about information.

[miles2go]

And P.S., if I ever hear anyone call Sasuke "stoic" again after this chapter, I'm going to put my head through a wall. Nothing about that boy has ever been stoic.

Here's the definition to back you up>>>

Main Entry: sto·ic
Pronunciation: \ˈstō-ik\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin stoicus, from Greek stōïkos, literally, of the portico, from Stoa (Poikilē) the Painted Portico, portico at Athens where Zeno taught
Date: 14th century

1: capitalized : a member of a school of philosophy founded by Zeno of Citium about 300 b.c. holding that the wise man should be free from passion, unmoved by joy or grief, and submissive to natural law

2: one apparently or professedly indifferent to pleasure or pain

[Kusachu]

I'm not buying the whole "Bastard Sasuke" act.
Had we not seen the Team 7 flashback [of sorts], I'd probably believe it, but the image of the sentimental Sasuke right next to Sasuke the destroyer of worlds doesn't really fit well.
I'm 99% certain [Or perhaps, hoping] that it's just a ploy on Madara to let him to go Konoha, as he knows somebody from Akatsuki has been sent to capture Naruto, and wants to go to defend him.
Soppy and sentimental that sounds, it fits into the general feel of Naruto than to suddenly turn Sasuke into a villain. After all, if Naruto is forced to kill Sasuke, it completely destroys the idea of the "Ninja who never gives up", and so Jiraiya's death will be cheapened a little.


And then there's the whole thing that he knows that Pain is going there to capture and eventually kill Naruto. If Sasuke goal was to protect Naruto and those who might die protecting him then he has to have a pretty damned good reason to go there immediately, since he'd need time to prepare a better plan if he just wanted to go in and kill the three elders.

[Sergedo]

The two goals that Sasuke has told to Madara in front of Taka and Not in front of Taka are not that different.Both leave the villagers hurt or dead,because like Kisame said Konoha nin are not going to let you just take out the elders.

[makko]

Then I think it explains (or not) the situation: probably Sasuke is really trying to buy Madara into his senseless speech, and seems Madara is being dragged into Sasuke's beliefs;

Sasuke probably is going to konoha right now, but I'm not so sure he'll try to destroy it...

It would be interesting if Sasuke was going back to Konoha and talking to Sakura/Naruto about his plans on the low. In secret. I mean after the 8 tail deal he is a fugitive so it would have to be in secret. But that would be interesting. All 3 in conspiracy... temporarily going against their own countries/Organizations to change the Ninja world. Hmmm wonder if i like Sasuke just being vengeful better...

All i know is i hope Sasuke really doesn't try to fool Madara... he'd be a fool if he thinks he'll get away with it.

[Rahan]

And then there's the whole thing that he knows that Pain is going there to capture and eventually kill Naruto. If Sasuke goal was to protect Naruto and those who might die protecting him then he has to have a pretty damned good reason to go there immediately, since he'd need time to prepare a better plan if he just wanted to go in and kill the three elders.

So he went to capture the 8-tails only to buy time to get a plan while other Akatsuki members were moving against Naruto ?
Doesn't make sense.

Besides, who said Sasuke would get a plan. He hadn't any against the 8-tails. Seems like Sasuke is starting to not think straight anymore.

[Kusachu]

The two goals that Sasuke has told to Madara in front of Taka and Not in front of Taka are not that different.Both leave the villagers hurt or dead,because like Kisame said Konoha nin are not going to let you just take out the elders.

Yeah but he can say he wants to kill them all he wants, it's the actual doing it that poses a problem if he's bluffing.

[Sergedo]

Yeah but he can say he wants to kill them all he wants, it's the actual doing it that poses a problem if he's bluffing.

Exactly and if he is with Pein and the time comes to kill and if he doesn't act Sasuke may then become a target for Akatsuki.

[pijo]

So he went to capture the 8-tails only to buy time to get a plan while other Akatsuki members were moving against Naruto ?
Doesn't make sense.

Besides, who said Sasuke would get a point. He hadn't any against the 8-tails. Seems like Sasuke is starting to not think straight anymore.
It seems that the fight with the 8 tails knocked some sense into Sasuke, going by what I'm now calling the "Amatseru of love" [And nobody can stop me], I still think he intended to protect Konoha to carry on Itachi's legacy, but had no interest in saving Naruto. But Hawk trying to save Sasuke during the fight with the 8 tails reminded Sasuke of his relationship with team 7, and that he, unlike Itachi, isn't willing to sacrifice his loved ones to protect Konoha.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

What Sasuke said to Madara is a flashback and after that he said he was using Akatsuki and had a Team 7 flashback, I think Sasuke is fooling Madara.

[lan2cp]

It does really look like its a flashback (Madara's flashback to be exact), because if you look closely, Sasuke is not hurt and they are sitting in the same place where thay had the Akatsuk/Hawk reunion. The best bet is that this conversation took place after Team hawk and Kisame left. If indeed this is true, then this is getting very exciting.

[Kusachu]

So he went to capture the 8-tails only to buy time to get a plan while other Akatsuki members were moving against Naruto ?
Doesn't make sense.

Besides, who said Sasuke would get a point. He hadn't any against the 8-tails. Seems like Sasuke is starting to not think straight anymore.

What doesn't make sense to me is how it's possible that Pain hasn't arrived at Konoha yet. I sure hope he's there by this chapter. And it would be epic if Sasuke were going just a tad daffy, don't you think? :D I don't have that much faith in the author though. Well, I mean I have faith that the story will be good, but not that he will take the story in that direction. I can always hope though. :nod

[Franckie]

Then I think it explains (or not) the situation: probably Sasuke is really trying to buy Madara into his senseless speech, and seems Madara is being dragged into Sasuke's beliefs;

Sasuke probably is going to konoha right now, but I'm not so sure he'll try to destroy it...

I actually think Sasuke is being serious. Keep in mind that Sasuke and Madara parallel each other. Madara left Konoha years ago and attacked the entire village out of spite. He's still bitter towards Senju and would like to wipe em' all out. As for Sasuke, he too left Konoha, and he is going to attack the village out of spite. People such as the advisors are part of the Senju legacy that has endured for the past 50+ years, and it was Danzou + Advisors who ordered Itachi to kill the clan. Sasuke destroying the entirety of Konoha fits into payback for the Senju wiping out every last trace of the Uchiha Clan.


And P.S., if I ever hear anyone call Sasuke "stoic" again after this chapter, I'm going to put my head through a wall. Nothing about that boy has ever been stoic.

It's not like there isn't a basis for people to say Sasuke is stoic. Eight years of emphasizing "My brother killed my family, I will kill him back" can cause people to think vengeance is pretty much the only focal point Sasuke's character possesses.

[laughing@you]

What Sasuke said to Madara is a flashback and after that he said he was using Akatsuki and had a Team 7 flashback, I think Sasuke is fooling Madara.

As per the pics, it doesn't look like its a flashback.

[vintagemistakes]

All I know is that Madara doesn't trust Sasuke in the slightest bit. The guys lived for ever and has probably witnessed all types of betrayal. He's not going to be fooled by words alone. Its going to take Sasuke actually murdering members of the Senju before he ever lets his guard down. And if that never happens and Sasuke thinks he can just fool him with words alone then he's going to be in for a rude awakening. No doubt Madara has contingency plans for all of this and for some reason he doesn't... well... that would just be foolish...

Off Topic:

@Kusachu
I don't think I have ever seen you make so many posts in a row with out mentioning something about Sasukes manly pecks... are you feeling OK?

[Franckie]

Besides, who said Sasuke would get a plan. He hadn't any against the 8-tails. Seems like Sasuke is starting to not think straight anymore.

Sasuke planned on overwhelming Hachibi with sheer military might. Sasuke had two powerful people to help him and had a magical healer as backup. Sasuke even used his "unblockable" Kusangi against his opponent. Both things are good ideas.

Unfortunately for Sasuke though Hachibi turned out to be much more powerful than anyone could have anticipated. The only thing that saved Sasuke's life in addition to allowing him to accomplish the mission is thanks to the mangaka tacking on all sorts of new and random things to the Sharingan.

[Cry of the Hawk]

It's pretty obvious Sasuke was trying to fool Madara. Not just the words he said but how he said them. Sasuke is really speaking in a different manner than how he usually does, if you read the original Japanese. Even the spoiler writer noticed it and it's what prompted him to say that Sasuke had flipped his lid. This is not how he characteristically talks at all.

Not only that, but it's tailor made to make Madara drop his guard. Where do I get the evidence for that?

Well, not just the whole "kill everyone" (despite his non-killing policy or his flashback thinking about Team 7 during the Hachibi fight) deal since that may actually be understandable. No, it's that one throwaway comment which exposed everything for a farce: The "Konoha being the Senju-ass kissers".

Honestly just think about that for a second.

The ONLY person who has a grudge against the Senju is Madara. Sasuke knows of no Senju shinobi, and the ones who truly enforced the segregation of the Uchiha were the elders; people whom Sasuke specifically marks as separate from everyone else. Hashirama and Tobirama were only around during the 1st/2nd Ninja War and their era was far away from even Sasuke's parents. Simply put, the Senju are a near non-factor in today's Konoha. The only one who even THINKS about them and carries a grudge against them is Madara, because they're part of the factor of what banished him as clan head.

Why would Sasuke randomly bring up the Senju as part of his motivation? Bringing up his clan's discrimination and his family's death is the most understandable reason for why he would wish to kill everyone and he could've just left it at that. Yet he specifically brings up the Senju out of nowhere when it wasn't even necessary. It's almost a non-sequitur if you don't consider the fact that he's appealing to Madara's grieved nature.

This of course doesn't count the fact that Sasuke said to Hawk that they would betray Akatsuki. Nor does it address how Sasuke thought of Team 7 as part of his reason to triumph over the Hachibi; after all it wouldn't make much sense to acknowledge those bonds and realize their importance before planning on killing them and everyone in Konoha.

[laughing@you]

All I know is that Madara doesn't trust Sasuke in the slightest bit. The guys lived for ever and has probably witnessed all types of betrayal. He's not going to be fooled by words alone. Its going to take Sasuke actually murdering members of the Senju before he ever lets his guard down. And if that never happens and Sasuke thinks he can just fool him with words alone then he's going to be in for a rude awakening. No doubt Madara has contingency plans for all of this and for some reason he doesn't... well... that would just be foolish...

Well if he kills anybody from konoha his in deep shit.....that's for sure!!

Nobody will forgive him then.

But to your point madara must realize his playing him. He knows he was with orochimaru for 2 and half years got uber strong and killed oro afterwards. So he must think something is up.

[Franckie]

The ONLY person who has a grudge against the Senju is Madara. Sasuke knows of no Senju shinobi, and the ones who truly enforced the segregation of the Uchiha were the elders; people whom Sasuke specifically marks as separate from everyone else. Hashirama and Tobirama were only around during the 1st/2nd Ninja War and their era was far away from even Sasuke's parents. Simply put, the Senju are a near non-factor in today's Konoha. The only one who even THINKS about them and carries a grudge against them is Madara, because they're part of the factor of what banished him as clan head.

Several Uchihas followed in Madara's footsteps after Shodai defeated Madara at VotE. The entire clan was planning a coup, a move that was a little radical for a clan that was actually held in high-esteem by the vast majority of Konoha. The only Uchiha with a known grudge against the Senju is Madara, but it doesn't mean other Uchihas didn't detest the Senju.

Sasuke now knows that the Senjus were the ones who ordered the massacre. If Sasuke didn't hold a grudge against them, he wouldn't be planning on assassinating several people who are part of the Senju legacy.

[Revan46]

Whoopee, we get to see something from the past. And then Naruto is featured for one page...Kishimoto is getting on my nerves...

[wooticus]

wait a moment, what's with this chapter?

4 members of hawk, one hit by amaterasu, one brought back to childhood, one hit by a chakra ball of eighttails, and one who has been nearkilled two times in one battle, used 2 times amaterasu und made the flames extinguish two times, so lets say hawk is a bit injured and exhausted.

and so they could easily leave the lightning country with killerbee before anyone could tell the raikage? wtf?

i say.. wtf?

when gaara was kidnapped, remember how quick KONOHA was informed that the sand village was in trouble.. uhm, well.. can't see what all this raikage happening is about now? why was he even introduced? will he step into sasuke when he is trying to reach konoha.. wow.. only another fight sasuke nearly loses and wins at the end.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

It's a flashback, the bit where Sasuke pretends to be evil.
[hr]

wait a moment, what's with this chapter?

4 members of hawk, one hit by amaterasu, one brought back to childhood, one hit by a chakra ball of eighttails, and one who has been nearkilled two times in one battle, used 2 times amaterasu und made the flames extinguish two times, so lets say hawk is a bit injured and exhausted.

and so they could easily leave the lightning country with killerbee before anyone could tell the raikage? wtf?

i say.. wtf?

when gaara was kidnapped, remember how quick KONOHA was informed that the sand village was in trouble.. uhm, well.. can't see what all this raikage happening is about now? why was he even introduced? will he step into sasuke when he is trying to reach konoha.. wow.. only another fight sasuke nearly loses and wins at the end.

It's quite possible the Raikage will blame Konoha because of the Uchiha link.

[neomaster121]

It's a flashback, the bit where Sasuke pretends to be evil.
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It's quite possible the Raikage will blame Konoha because of the Uchiha link.

wait so u think with their knowledge of akatsuki they'd still blame konoha?

[bean]

wait so u think with their knowledge of akatsuki they'd still blame konoha?
for all they know, akatsuki could be a konoha controlled group...or maybe they'll convince themselves of that or use it as an excuse to start shit and get some konoha secrets...oh yeah, and to get revenge.

[Cry of the Hawk]

Several Uchihas followed in Madara's footsteps after Shodai defeated Madara at VotE. The entire clan was planning a coup, a move that was a little radical for a clan that was actually held in high-esteem by the vast majority of Konoha. The only Uchiha with a known grudge against the Senju is Madara, but it doesn't mean other Uchihas didn't detest the Senju.

Sasuke now knows that the Senjus were the ones who ordered the massacre. If Sasuke didn't hold a grudge against them, he wouldn't be planning on assassinating several people who are part of the Senju legacy.

The Senju ordered the massacre? Unless if you've received advanced screening of the storyline, I don't know where you get that Homura, Kohara, and Danzou are Senju, or even part of their legacy. In fact, Danzou even detested Shodai Hokage and his ways/policies which extended down to his grand-daughter, Tsunade.

And while a few Uchiha did follow in Madara's footsteps over the course of decades, under Sasuke's father's leadership, the whole practice was discontinued, if not even before then. In fact the only reason why they attempted the coup in the first place was after the discriminatory policies were enforced after the Kyuubi attack by the elders. And they so far have no connection to the Senju.

Sandaime, who was a legacy of the Senju and Shodai, was the one pushing for lifting the restriction of segregation and promoting reconciliation with the Uchiha instead of resorting to a nuclear option like genocide.

So my point stands; the Senju and their legacy was pretty much a moot point by Sasuke's parents' generation. The only one who would care about them and getting revenge on them is Madara since they aren't even an issue as far Sasuke is concerned. Danzou and his ilk don't even pretend to follow Shodai's legacy.

[Rahan]

Sasuke planned on overwhelming Hachibi with sheer military might. Sasuke had two powerful people to help him and had a magical healer as backup. Sasuke even used his "unblockable" Kusangi against his opponent. Both things are good ideas.

Well, if you think "taking the squad he formed to take on Itachi and beat the crap out of Hachibi" as a plan, yes he had one.
However, during the fight, Sasuke only charged blindly at the enemy ala Naruto.

Also, I wonder if Naruto will lol when Sasuke will say he was discriminated in Konoha.

[jocouslie]

anyone of you knows the translation of what the raikage and his nin talked about? anyway, as for the conversation of sasuke and madara, i think sasuke will just go his own way, take actions of the things he believes, and as for him using akatsuki, i think that will come soon, but not this time. i'm hoping the lightning country and the fire country will make some connection and team up to put akatsuki down.

[NAti]

look like sasuke will bee the one who kill tsunade and that woulnd be awsome in the story development

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

And then there's the whole thing that he knows that Pain is going there to capture and eventually kill Naruto. If Sasuke goal was to protect Naruto and those who might die protecting him then he has to have a pretty damned good reason to go there immediately, since he'd need time to prepare a better plan if he just wanted to go in and kill the three elders.

Personally for me, Sasuke really turns rotten when he hands over hachibi for beast removal. Basically, that signals the fact that he just killed (albeit indirectly) someone for no good reason...except for something trivial like gaining trust of Madara. He basically put his motives above an innocent (from his standpoint, anyway) denizen of ninja world. That, to me, is an irredeemable mistake.

I would hate it if Kishimoto tries to show Sasuke in good light after this. None of the crappy emotional stuff that Kishimoto spouts out with Sasuke in the center is, in my book, sufficient to justify Sasuke's acts. I really hope that the stuff he said to Madara is what he truly believes and acts accordingly. As it is Kishimoto screwed up when he said Itachi was good given the fact that Kakashi pretty much died at the hands of Itachi. I hope, against hope really, that he doesn't repeat the same mistake.

[just1n time]

wait so u think with their knowledge of akatsuki they'd still blame konoha?

i think the raikage is going to be in konoha talking with the hokage when pain attacks. how crazy would that be? especially after pain kills both of them... or maybe this is the beginning of the next great ninja wars. either way its a cool prospect.

the spoilers look great. i cant believe sasuke is running his mouth like that. he needs slapped and i think konoha will give it to him until he burns it to the ground. hahahahaha

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Raikage's assistant is kinda hot. Nice to see that Kishi can draw females after all. :eyeroll

I hope she doesn't die :(

[Cry of the Hawk]

Raikage's assistant is kinda hot. Nice to see that Kishi can draw females after all. :eyeroll

I hope she doesn't die :(

That's exactly what I think, and it's the most important part of the chapter. :mad

How old do you think she is? Hopefully she's around 16 years old too, like the rest of the "rookie" cast.

Moar Cloud girl plz thx.

[Rahan]

As for the hate speech, it's not really new. Didn't he threaten to kill Kakashi's close ones so that Kakashi could realize what he felt ? (when Kakashi said all his important people were already dead)

We should remember what Oro said loooong ago. Sasuke is a rotten avenger. He was only acting good because Naruto was influencing him.

[craig]

Party in Konoha! If all the baddies are converging there (what ever happened to Kabutomaru?) it'll be gettin close to the end of the series unless Kishi spins off another main story line (beginning of the ninja wars?).

P.S. Diddo on wtf how did Sasuke get back so fast.

P.P.S. Sasuke's new MS power - Lightswitch Rave

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

That's exactly what I think, and it's the most important part of the chapter. :mad

How old do you think she is? Hopefully she's around 16 years old too, like the rest of the "rookie" cast.

Moar Cloud girl plz thx.

Nooo! She can't be 16, she is too young to be a *cough* for the Raikage. But you never know :(

Hopefully she has some RAW skills, like maybe TenTen lvl, but that might be pushing it.

[mansemino]

Spanish translation for VASSiLi's post:


Este capítulo muestra a Naruto llorando después de leer el libro de Jiraiya y al Raikage flipado/conmocionado tras oir que su hermano ha sido secuestrado.

Tan pronto como Sasuke regresa, él dice: "He traído al Hachibi, como prometí".

Madara le dice, cura tus heridas primero, y lo siguiente será... Konoha.

Sasuke:...Itachi perdió su vida para mostrarme la verdad. Pero para mi, comparado con conocer la verdad, el dolor de perder a Itachi duele demasiado... No importa lo que haga, él nunca volverá.El sacrificio de Itachi es por la paz, pero yo no necesito ese tipo de paz. Ahora que sé la verdad, no continuaré protegiendo Konoha como hizo Itachi. Es más, las tres personas sentadas en lo alto de Konoha son imperdonables (se refiere a los mandamases), es un pecado enorme por su parte hacer que Itachi se sacrificase a sí mismo por lo que ellos llaman "paz".

Madara: Entonces ¿tu intención es sólo matar a los mandamases de
Konoha?

Sasuke: Quiero usar mis propios poderes para destruir Konoha, eso es lo que le dije al equipo Halcón.

Madara: ¿De verdad? A pesar de que dejé que vieras la verdad sobre Itachi y su existencia, todavía no intentas heredar sus ideales, ¿Es así realmente como piensas?

Sasuke: Tal y como dijiste, porqué Itachi no me mató, era porque yo era más importante que nadie ni nada en su corazón. Para mí, es lo mismo. Itachi es más importante que nadie ni nada en mi corazón. Los mandamases de Konoja que discriminaron a nuestro clan Uchiha, causaron que mamá y papá fueran asesinador por mi hermano, y forzaron a mi hermano a su final! Y la Aldea de Konoha fundada por el clan Senjuu! Todos ellos, cada uno de ellos, serán el objetivo de mi venganza....

Madara: ...

Sasuke: No me importa cuánto critiques mis acciones, o decirme que acepte la existencia de Itachi, es inútil. A aquellos que no conozcan sobre la venganza, y con ello reprochan mi modo de vida, deberían dejarme matar a sus seres amados... Entonces ellos entenderían... mi odio.

[xZerapHx]

I really dont think he is smart enoght to understand that Jiraya was his godfather and that his dad was a hokage... and WTF happened to his mum..... killed in the prcoes (sealing the kyubi?) POW or something else?????

Hope Pa frog will tell him something about his parents I really dont think Pain would know that he does not know... kind of confusing :P

kushina got wipped by the kyuubis tail while it was sucked in, thus the untimely death XD

no one ever tells naruto anything.... what is the intel department doin?! holding info in until the last second?

"oh we spotted 7 of peins bodies outside konoha3 days ago, sorry we didn't tell you guys but we were on a coffe break" :notrust

[Cry of the Hawk]

Nooo! She can't be 16, she is too young to be a *cough* for the Raikage. But you never know :(

Hopefully she has some RAW skills, like maybe TenTen lvl, but that might be pushing it.

Actually, my first thought is that she's the Raikage's daughter. She looks very much younger than him at the very least (at least from what I can see). Though of course she could just be an assistant as well (I'm really doubting she's his wife).

If there's a war, hopefully she'll participate. :amuse

[kadoman]

The Senju ordered the massacre? Unless if you've received advanced screening of the storyline, I don't know where you get that Homura, Kohara, and Danzou are Senju, or even part of their legacy. In fact, Danzou even detested Shodai Hokage and his ways/policies which extended down to his grand-daughter, Tsunade.

And while a few Uchiha did follow in Madara's footsteps over the course of decades, under Sasuke's father's leadership, the whole practice was discontinued, if not even before then. In fact the only reason why they attempted the coup in the first place was after the discriminatory policies were enforced after the Kyuubi attack by the elders. And they so far have no connection to the Senju.

Sandaime, who was a legacy of the Senju and Shodai, was the one pushing for lifting the restriction of segregation and promoting reconciliation with the Uchiha instead of resorting to a nuclear option like genocide.

So my point stands; the Senju and their legacy was pretty much a moot point by Sasuke's parents' generation. The only one who would care about them and getting revenge on them is Madara since they aren't even an issue as far Sasuke is concerned. Danzou and his ilk don't even pretend to follow Shodai's legacy.

Quoted for you-have-a-PhD-in-Naruto?-moment.:D Welcome to MH Cry of the Hawk. Very interesting and informative posts that have certainly given me food for thought.

Up till I read your previous post, I was a little miffed at the sharpness of Saske's u-turn, you know? I just thought it was too sudden and shallow for it to have any real sort of meaning for me, but now I'm beginning to think it's all a sham, part of his plan to deceive Madara. But I do wonder at how stupid Madara could be, for, given all you've just said, wouldn't Madara think the same thing? Wouldn't he also question Sasuke's motive and therefore suspect deception?

Anyway, please keep up the good analysis. ^^

[Reenie]

man too much time spent on the mental problems of teenagers in Naruto lol

[bighawke5]

I actually think Sasuke is being serious. Keep in mind that Sasuke and Madara parallel each other. Madara left Konoha years ago and attacked the entire village out of spite. He's still bitter towards Senju and would like to wipe em' all out. As for Sasuke, he too left Konoha, and he is going to attack the village out of spite. People such as the advisors are part of the Senju legacy that has endured for the past 50+ years, and it was Danzou + Advisors who ordered Itachi to kill the clan. Sasuke destroying the entirety of Konoha fits into payback for the Senju wiping out every last trace of the Uchiha Clan.



It's not like there isn't a basis for people to say Sasuke is stoic. Eight years of emphasizing "My brother killed my family, I will kill him back" can cause people to think vengeance is pretty much the only focal point Sasuke's character possesses.

yea i actually think he's serious..i mean why would he try to protect konoha? its not like he loved konoha as much as itachi. even if it was itachi's will he didnt go throught the same things itachi had gone through.

Itachi went through a war and that shaped him. he didnt want violence anymore and wanted to protect his bro and by doing so had to betray his clan and kill them and he know once sasuke discovered that he would go APE SHIT! and thats why he never told him the truth but instead tried to make it seem like he was the only villain sasuke ever needed to finish off to end his sorrow.

sasuke desnt care about peace for konoha right now so why wouldnt he be telling the truth when he said he wants to destroy all konoha? and that its their fault? the way the truth was presented to him by madara seemed to have done the trick to raise his anger and use his hatred on something else (i.e konoha). I'm under the feeling that after itachi's death if Madara had not told him what itachi did then sasuke's hatred rampage would have stopped but now that he has something else to live for why not?

As he said himself he and itachi do not share the same vision...
itachi wanted konoha's peace and brother's protection
while sasuke wants brother's and clans' revenge...and dont tell me he's faking the bro's and clan's revenge because im pretty sure he hates konoha for using Itachi like madara told him happened. so why would he be lieying about taking down konoha?

I really hope he does go and "TRY" to take down konoha and meets naruto there...i do hope pain is there also so that his profile becomes:
PEIN
loses=1 to naruto :)
Wins=gazillions

if sasuke turns out to be faking this then im at a loss for words since he doesnt want peace for konoha...he never showed much interest in the village anyway..My hope is that he turns against madara but i dont think he loves konoha enough to not want to kill the elders for using his bro or destroy the village for following senju clan's ideals

hopefully naruto makes him change his mind after a thorough beat up on his ego and they team up on kabutomaru and madara...

[Alexis]

I actually think Sasuke is being serious. Keep in mind that Sasuke and Madara parallel each other. Madara left Konoha years ago and attacked the entire village out of spite. He's still bitter towards Senju and would like to wipe em' all out. As for Sasuke, he too left Konoha, and he is going to attack the village out of spite. People such as the advisors are part of the Senju legacy that has endured for the past 50+ years, and it was Danzou + Advisors who ordered Itachi to kill the clan. Sasuke destroying the entirety of Konoha fits into payback for the Senju wiping out every last trace of the Uchiha Clan.


Sasuke now knows that the Senjus were the ones who ordered the massacre. If Sasuke didn't hold a grudge against them, he wouldn't be planning on assassinating several people who are part of the Senju legacy.
If you are referring to Danzou and co. then he definitely would, regardless of their lineage.

You really think Sasuke is going to hold even the innocent responsible, just because they happen to be descendants of senju, or simply Konoha inhabitants? I doubt that. It would take a rather disturbed individual to do that. And Sasuke isn't Orochimaru or Madara.

Danzou and co are guilty, so his revenge could extend that far. But beyond that, I don't buy it one bit. I think you're overlooking the importance of Madara inquiring about Sasuke's intentions all the time. It's really obvious that it is important to him for some reason, and Sasuke must have noticed it as well. If Sasuke could gain his trust, he might let down his guard a bit. Whatever secret he is holding. It looks like he wants to trust Sasuke.

Sasuke said before that he would kill Madara as well. If he is still intent on doing this, then he must first find out how. He knows that Madara nullified Amaterasu, and has somehow survived for nearly 100 years. Not to mention this.

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I doubt Sasuke will make that mistake again, so in order to kill Madara, he has to get closer to him. Find out his secrets.

[wing_gundam]

So basically, we could have the following coming to attack Konoha:

1. Pein + his 6 bodies
2. Madara
3. The rest of Akatsuki OG
4. Sasuke
5. Oro-reincarnate/body snatch
6. Hidden Rain
7. Hidden Clouds
8. Hidden Mist (they always hate konoha)

And to face them K has, what 6 top shinobi?
Tsu, Kak, Shika, Naruto, Neji, Yamato?
A bunch of semi guys
Anbu
and one Gaara
?

Unless every person who Naruto's helped and their village comes to the rescue, it looks like most-all of Konoha will die here. Heck - Amaterasu alone could probably do it.



So is Naruto going to come back with jutsu that is able to kill of 99% of them (ie all but sasuke)?

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

It's a shame the spoiler guy was a Sasuke fan, we could have had more info on Naruto, but I guess it leaves us with something to look forward to when the scans come out.
[hr]

So basically, we could have the following coming to attack Konoha:

1. Pein + his 6 bodies
2. Madara
3. The rest of Akatsuki OG
4. Sasuke
5. Oro-reincarnate/body snatch
6. Hidden Rain
7. Hidden Clouds
8. Hidden Mist (they always hate konoha)

And to face them K has, what 6 top shinobi?
Tsu, Kak, Shika, Naruto, Neji, Yamato?
A bunch of semi guys
Anbu
and one Gaara
?

Unless every person who Naruto's helped and their village comes to the rescue, it looks like most-all of Konoha will die here. Heck - Amaterasu alone could probably do it.



So is Naruto going to come back with jutsu that is able to kill of 99% of them (ie all but sasuke)?

Don't forget if Pein's new body can do summons, it can pretty much take out half of Konoha, or Deidara Pein comes back to life :o and starts killing from the inside. Tsunade will sure put up a good fight but I'm wondering if Kakashi will just Kamui all those nins attacking Konoha in one go. LOL :tem

[vintagemistakes]

If you are referring to Danzou and co. then he definitely would, regardless of their lineage.

You really think Sasuke is going to hold even the innocent responsible, just because they happen to be descendants of senju, or simply Konoha inhabitants? I doubt that. It would take a rather disturbed individual to do that. And Sasuke isn't Orochimaru or Madara.
It depends on whether Sasuke wants to just destroy/kill the clan or rid the world of Senju ideals. If he just wants to destroy the clan than he won't have to kill innocents but if he wants to totally wipe out the Senju ideals, which is the basis of the "will of fire", then he'll have to kill/destroy all of Konoha.


Danzou and co are guilty, so his revenge could extend that far. But beyond that, I don't buy it one bit. I think you're overlooking the importance of Madara trying to trust Sasuke. It's so obvious that Sasuke surely must have noticed it as well. If Sasuke could gain his trust, he might let down his guard a bit. Whatever secret he is holding. It looks like he wants to trust Sasuke.

Sasuke said before that he would kill Madara as well. If he is still intent on doing this, then he must first find out how.Madara can't be that stupid and just take Sasukes word.. he should have to prove his loyalty somehow. The only way I can see that happening is if Sasuke takes his revenge past the elders and Danzo. That'll then show that he is serious and perhaps Madara will then lower his guard allowing him the opportunity to strike.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

If you are referring to Danzou and co. then he definitely would, regardless of their lineage.

You really think Sasuke is going to hold even the innocent responsible, just because they happen to be descendants of senju, or simply Konoha inhabitants? I doubt that. It would take a rather disturbed individual to do that. And Sasuke isn't Orochimaru or Madara.

Danzou and co are guilty, so his revenge could extend that far. But beyond that, I don't buy it one bit. I think you're overlooking the importance of Madara trying to trust Sasuke. It's so obvious that Sasuke surely must have noticed it as well. If Sasuke could gain his trust, he might let down his guard a bit. Whatever secret he is holding. It looks like he wants to trust Sasuke.

Sasuke said before that he would kill Madara as well. If he is still intent on doing this, then he must first find out how.

Yeah Sasuke's a smart guy, he plans a lot of things in advance, and ain't bad at acting, and we all know what his brother was like...:eyeroll

[bighawke5]

If you are referring to Danzou and co. then he definitely would, regardless of their lineage.

You really think Sasuke is going to hold even the innocent responsible, just because they happen to be descendants of senju, or simply Konoha inhabitants? I doubt that. It would take a rather disturbed individual to do that. And Sasuke isn't Orochimaru or Madara.

Danzou and co are guilty, so his revenge could extend that far. But beyond that, I don't buy it one bit. I think you're overlooking the importance of Madara trying to trust Sasuke. It's so obvious that Sasuke surely must have noticed it as well. If Sasuke could gain his trust, he might let down his guard a bit. Whatever secret he is holding. It looks like he wants to trust Sasuke.

Sasuke said before that he would kill Madara as well. If he is still intent on doing this, then he must first find out how.

you make a valid point but can you show me where sasuke said he would "kill madara"? i don't remember him saying anything of the sort

[dragon2021]

So basically, we could have the following coming to attack Konoha:

1. Pein + his 6 bodies
2. Madara
3. The rest of Akatsuki OG
4. Sasuke
5. Oro-reincarnate/body snatch
6. Hidden Rain
7. Hidden Clouds
8. Hidden Mist (they always hate konoha)

And to face them K has, what 6 top shinobi?
Tsu, Kak, Shika, Naruto, Neji, Yamato?
A bunch of semi guys
Anbu
and one Gaara
?

Unless every person who Naruto's helped and their village comes to the rescue, it looks like most-all of Konoha will die here. Heck - Amaterasu alone could probably do it.



So is Naruto going to come back with jutsu that is able to kill of 99% of them (ie all but sasuke)?

well not all at one time. I mean Pein is almost there and Madara is not going unrill Sasuke heals up. However, what if Pein fails will that change Madara's plan? We suspect Cloud is coming, but they could eventualy side with Konah.

[Alexis]

you make a valid point but can you show me where sasuke said he would "kill madara"? i don't remember him saying anything of the sort

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/03/

[C4animax]

Ok so sasuke miraculously get the 8 tails and is now confident enough to take down konoha?...the panel showing madara's sharingan is suspicious, if you can see someone's chakra flow when trapped in genjutsu (kakashi gaiden) i suppose you can tell when someone is lying..looking too deep i'm sure but oh well...

Sasuke ain't going to crush konoha and i don't even think he'll get to the elders...he'll be stopped by naruto before that happen...

Oh someone asked if naruto will laugh when sasuke cries about the discrimination (arg now sasuke is a victim...) i guess he'll say that his case is following the neji clan's case :p.

More about naruto please!


So basically, we could have the following coming to attack Konoha:

1. Pein + his 6 bodies
2. Madara
3. The rest of Akatsuki OG
4. Sasuke
5. Oro-reincarnate/body snatch
6. Hidden Rain
7. Hidden Clouds
8. Hidden Mist (they always hate konoha)

And to face them K has, what 6 top shinobi?
Tsu, Kak, Shika, Naruto, Neji, Yamato?
A bunch of semi guys
Anbu
and one Gaara
?

Unless every person who Naruto's helped and their village comes to the rescue, it looks like most-all of Konoha will die here. Heck - Amaterasu alone could probably do it.


So is Naruto going to come back with jutsu that is able to kill of 99% of them (ie all but sasuke)?

1. Pein + his 6 bodies Still traveling through space (it's been chapters since he left)
2. Madara ok
3. The rest of Akatsuki 1 member left
4. Sasuke ok...well he aint half enough for naruto...
5. Oro-reincarnate/body snatch This guy has another motive (fight/kill naruto)
6. Hidden Rain won't cause the leader is fighting for them.
7. Hidden Clouds won't cause they are with the good guys ^^ (hope).
8. Hidden Mist too low leveled ninja.

Naruto count as thousands and infinite in mode 4 tails. Eventually naruto saves the day.

[mrwhos]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/03/

Well Itachi could have said that to make Sasuke to think that Madara also part of the Uchiha masscare, to eleminate another treath to Konoha.

[C4animax]

Oh and the raikage looks like he's one bad ass kage!!

[vintagemistakes]

Well Itachi could have said that to make Sasuke to think that Madara also part of the Uchiha masscare, to eleminate another treath to Konoha.
during Madaras little history lesson he confirms what Itachi says about him taking part in the massacre..

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000028760/15.jpg
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[Alexis]

It depends on whether Sasuke wants to just destroy/kill the clan or rid the world of Senju ideals. If he just wants to destroy the clan than he won't have to kill innocents but if he wants to totally wipe out the Senju ideals, which is the basis of the "will of fire", then he'll have to kill/destroy all of Konoha.
Even if that were the case, anyone can become Hokage in Konoha. It seems to be only the elders who linger on. And evidently Tsunade, even though she is a direct descendant of the Hokage lineage, does not share their beliefs and methods. So the will of fire doesn't directly translate into what Hashirama or Danzou believed in. People are different.


Madara can't be that stupid and just take Sasukes word.. he should have to prove his loyalty somehow. The only way I can see that happening is if Sasuke takes his revenge past the elders and Danzo. That'll then show that he is serious and perhaps Madara will then lower his guard allowing him the opportunity to strike.
I believe so too. I think Sasuke intends to go at least that far. But Madara seems desperate for some reason, to get Sasuke on his side and to believe in him. He needs him for something, that much is clear. And Sasuke seems to realize that.

Also, one thing about Madara's story didn't add up. He said that "no one summoned the 9 tails". How could he know that for sure? Unless he can vouch for every person in the village, he can't make that claim.

[bighawke5]

Oh and the raikage looks like he's one bad ass kage!!

maybe his rhymes are on a whole' nother Level too :)
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Also, one thing about Madara's story didn't add up. He said that "no one summoned the 9 tails". How could he know that for sure? Unless he can vouch for every person in the village, he can't make that claim.

lol thats why many believe what he told sasuke to be mostly lies...the guy said stuff and twisted most of it but he's not looking for another disciple that will turn on him (i.e itachi) again..so i can see how you think that sasuke is playing him there by making him believe that he will take down konoha

[neomaster121]

the raikage lookes like a freak man hes ugly HAHAHA

[Alexis]

lol thats why many believe what he told sasuke to be mostly lies...the guy said stuff and twisted most of it but he's not looking for another disciple that will turn on him (i.e itachi) again..so i can see how you think that sasuke is playing him there by making him believe that he will take down konoha
I figured most of what Madara told him would be true, since Itachi seemed to want to keep Madara's mouth shut (Amaterasu) and it would be really lame if Kishimoto started yet another plot based on false information regarding the Uchiha massacre. It's been enough years of that. Something new please. So that the truth was something Itachi feared Sasuke would hear, I thought that seemed like the most logical thing. But if Madara lied about a detail or so, that would still work.
And if he did lie about the 9 tails attack, then that would work well with the story of Sasuke taking Itachi's eyes. Then he would divert his revenge on Madara, and not Konoha. He would see the path Itachi wanted him to see, and would no longer have any moral reasons not to take his brothers eyes.

By the way, he didn't kill his brother, unlike what Itachi claimed. According to the databook, his brother died on the battlefield. So it seems Madara told the truth about that one.

Now all that remains for him is to trust Sasuke for some reason. He wants him for something, and I think we'll found out after the attack on Konoha. Possibly after Sasuke assassinates the elders.


the raikage lookes like a freak man hes ugly HAHAHA
He kind of reminded me of a Tengu statue...

[Rahan]

He left more than that in the dark. Didn't he say there always had been Uchihas that shared his ideals. So what did they do ? Maybe there is a better reason to the Senju distrust than Madara's attack.
I mean, so far, the story is really retarded. Madara attacked Konoha, so Nidaime and the Senju distrusted all the Uchihas even those that followed them.

The exact content of rebellion too. It had to be something really really big. I am pretty sure it involves Naruto. Since they are Uchihas, they had to play with the Kyuubi. We still know NOTHING of Naruto's pre-academy days. Only a one-panel flashback with him crying.

It's also possible the order was not to kill the whole clan. Itachi was apparently unable to do it without Madara. If that's the case, why did the elders asked him to do it solo ? If he fails, the Uchihas would be informed and would retaliate instantly and it would start a blood bathAnd if he was able to do it solo, why did he ask Madara if he desn't trust him ? I mean, kill the Uchihas, kill the elders who gave the orders, run away, and no one is left to mess with Sasuke !
I still think the order was just to stop the rebellion in time, not a full scale genocide.

[craig]

Also, one thing about Madara's story didn't add up. He said that "no one summoned the 9 tails". How could he know that for sure? Unless he can vouch for every person in the village, he can't make that claim.

Random food for thought - what if Madara wasn't lying? This part never made sense to me either and I always just assumed he lied about it. But what if Itachi just assumed that it was Madara's doing and the elders actually had found some way to summon / attract the kyuubi in an effort to justify their uchiha-discriminating policies? It could possibly unify Sasuke and Naruto in their contempt for the elders...

[Alexis]

Random food for thought - what if Madara wasn't lying? This part never made sense to me either and I always just assumed he lied about it. But what if the elders found some way to summon / attract the kyuubi in an effort to justify their uchiha-discriminating policies? It could possibly unify Sasuke and Naruto in their contempt for the elders...
That's also possible. Didn't think about that. It seemed to me that Madara told the truth about everything else, so maybe this as well. Though you'd still have to wonder how Madara could be so sure that no one summoned it.

Still no translation of what the Raikage said? =(
Anyone who can read kanji?

[Rahan]

Heh, if the elders had summoned the Kyuubi to wipe out the clan, the clan would have been wiped out at that time, not 7 years later thanks to the help of an Uchiha.

[craig]

That's also possible. Didn't think about that. It seemed to me that Madara told the truth about everything else, so maybe this as well. Though you'd still have to wonder how Madara could be so sure that no one summoned it.


Yeah, it just seemed odd that Madara was telling the (relative) truth about everything and then Kishi slips that one in when Itachi just said a few chapters earlier that Madara did it. It was almost too easy to spot. If the elders are responsible, it's possible Madara just assumed that the Uchiha were the only ones who could control / manipulate it.

And as far as the clan would've been killed 7 years ago, I doubt it. Most of Konoha seems like they would be more in favor of the more PC 'separate-but-equal' treatment rather than out and out genocide if they felt threatened. The Uchiha nins were part of Konoha after all.

[Kusachu]

Heh, if the elders had summoned the Kyuubi to wipe out the clan, the clan would have been wiped out at that time, not 7 years later thanks to the help of an Uchiha.

Maybe they summoned it to get rid of a very powerful, yet pesky, peaceful Hokage that everyone loved and who was a vehement follower of the Third's ideals?

[The Noobslayer]

The Raikage looks pretty badass IMHO.

I think there is a very small possiblity the raikage and Sasuke will have a confrontation (not neccessarily a fight) in which the Raikage discusses his love for his brother and will conflict Sasuke as to his purpose, given Sasuke's love for Itatchi.

If the Cloud do attack Konoha because they think they are in keague with Akutsuke, how will they react if they see Pain attacking the city?

Edit: This is the third time I'll have to post up to be a senior member...wtf?!

[craig]

Heh, if the elders had summoned the Kyuubi to wipe out the clan, the clan would have been wiped out at that time, not 7 years later thanks to the help of an Uchiha.

Just caught what you were saying - the elders wouldn't have summoned the Kyuubi to wipe out the clan. I don't think they'd have that much control over the Kyuubi plus the Uchiha could control it if they need to. Rather, they'd lure it / summon it in an effort to put suspicion on the Uchiha and push forward their segregationist policies.

By the way, is MS required to control the Kyuubi or just the Sharingan? Cause if it's just the Sharingan then why didn't any of the Uchihas take control of it to protect the village when it attacked?

[Darth Executor]

Uhh, so, is Sasuke BSing madara or is he BSing Taka? Why would Taka care if he wants to wipe out the village? Karin and Juugo willingly worked for friggin' orochimaru and Suigetsu was already a psycopath before Oro caught him. I'm still leaning towards him BSing Madara but I can't help but get the feeling that Kishi is trying to screw with my head.
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Just caught what you were saying - the elders wouldn't have summoned the Kyuubi to wipe out the clan. I don't think they'd have that much control over the Kyuubi plus the Uchiha could control it if they need to. Rather, they'd lure it / summon it in an effort to put suspicion on the Uchiha and push forward their segregationist policies.

By the way, is MS required to control the Kyuubi or just the Sharingan? Cause if it's just the Sharingan then why didn't any of the Uchihas take control of it to protect the village when it attacked?

You need a MS. At least that's what Itachi said was the purpose of the MS. I suppose it's possible that you can do it with a normal sharingan + genjutsu or something if you're really skilled but the closest thing to is was Sasuke going into Naruto's head and dispersing the 9 tails.

[Kusachu]

I actually think Sasuke is being serious. Keep in mind that Sasuke and Madara parallel each other. Madara left Konoha years ago and attacked the entire village out of spite. He's still bitter towards Senju and would like to wipe em' all out. As for Sasuke, he too left Konoha, and he is going to attack the village out of spite. People such as the advisors are part of the Senju legacy that has endured for the past 50+ years, and it was Danzou + Advisors who ordered Itachi to kill the clan. Sasuke destroying the entirety of Konoha fits into payback for the Senju wiping out every last trace of the Uchiha Clan.



It's not like there isn't a basis for people to say Sasuke is stoic. Eight years of emphasizing "My brother killed my family, I will kill him back" can cause people to think vengeance is pretty much the only focal point Sasuke's character possesses.

Yeah, but being stoic means not having or at least not SHOWING any emotion. Sasuke has always been brimming over with hate. I don't think it is incorrect to say, "His stoic face," or a phrase describing his physical features for a given moment, but people all he time say HE IS a stoic person. He has never in the entire manga been a stoic person. Seemingly indifferent? Sure. Stoic? No. Even in desiring revenge he is essentially not stoic.

Sai is stoic. Rather, he WAS stoic because he felt nothing at all and any attempt to not be stoic was obviously put on (until he got injected with Naruto love).


EDIT: From Wikipedia:
The Stoics provided a unified account of the world, consisting of formal logic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic), non-dualistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism) physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics) and naturalistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_naturalism) ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics). Of these, they emphasized ethics as the main focus of human knowledge, though their logical theories were to be of more interest for many later philosophers.
Stoicism teaches the development of self-control and fortitude as a means of overcoming destructive emotions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion); the philosophy holds that becoming a clear and unbiased thinker allows one to understand the universal reason (logos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos)). A primary aspect of Stoicism involves improving the individual’s ethical and moral well-being: "Virtue consists in a will which is in agreement with Nature."[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism#cite_note-Russell-3) This principle also applies to the realm of interpersonal relationships; "to be free from anger, envy, and jealousy",[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism#cite_note-Russell1-4) and to accept even slaves as "equals of other men, because all alike are sons of God."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism#cite_note-Russell5-5)
The Stoic ethic espouses a deterministic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterministic) perspective; in regards to those who lack Stoic virtue, Cleanthes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanthes) once opined that the wicked man is "like a dog tied to a cart, and compelled to go wherever it goes."[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism#cite_note-Russell-3) A Stoic of virtue, by contrast, would amend his will to suit the world and remain, in the words of Epictetus, "sick and yet happy, in peril and yet happy, dying and yet happy, in exile and happy, in disgrace and happy,"[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism#cite_note-Russell1-4) thus positing a "completely autonomous" individual will, and at the same time a universe that is "a rigidly deterministic single whole".
Stoicism became the foremost popular philosophy among the educated elite in the Greco-Roman Empire,[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism#cite_note-6) to the point where, in the words of Gilbert Murray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Murray), "nearly all the successors of Alexander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diadochi) [...] professed themselves Stoics."[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism#cite_note-7)
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you make a valid point but can you show me where sasuke said he would "kill madara"? i don't remember him saying anything of the sort

He said something along the lines of "Who helped you murder the Clan, Itachi? Because that person is the next on my shit list." and Itachi essentially said, "It was Uchiha Madara."

[BadA$$Mofo]

maybe what sasuke said is true, and when he encouters naruto and in the middle of the fight he talks about that stuff bout ur not feeling the hate stuff when the ones u loved get killed, then naruto counters with jiraya (maybe good ol asuma, but i doubt that) and kicks some sense in sasuke, because it was the leader of the organization he currently follows. i doubt he even knows what pein actually wants to do with all the biijus.

[makko]

Also, one thing about Madara's story didn't add up. He said that "no one summoned the 9 tails". How could he know that for sure? Unless he can vouch for every person in the village, he can't make that claim.

Could be that only an Uchiha can summon the 9tail? If thats true he would know if anyone summoned it... being a former leader and being that much more powerful than every other Uchiha at the time. Although nothing other than Madara summoning the 9tail really explains how the 9tails seems to know Madara and the history of Konoha so well. The 9tail said right away for Sasuke to kill naruto because he would regret it... as if that was what happen with the fighting between Madara n the First.

[rsrl]

we all know that all that which sasuke said was not true.... you know what sasuke's intentions are?
to kill madara..... yes to kill madara.... not the elders, the elders will end up sacrificing themselves...

i got another question if madara so powerful why doesnt he kill the elders himself... why doesnt madara do anything he can just pop up inside the elders homes kill them and dissaper like nothing ever occured.....

[Bones]

Could be that only an Uchiha can summon the 9tail? If thats true he would know if anyone summoned it... being a former leader and being that much more powerful than every other Uchiha at the time. Although nothing other than Madara summoning the 9tail really explains how the 9tails seems to know Madara and the history of Konoha so well. The 9tail said right away for Sasuke to kill naruto because he would regret it... as if that was what happen with the fighting between Madara n the First.

You forget that Madara use the 9tail when fighting Senju Harashima, therefore the 9tail would have know Madara from that fight.

[Kusachu]

Off Topic:

@Kusachu
I don't think I have ever seen you make so many posts in a row with out mentioning something about Sasukes manly pecks... are you feeling OK?

:rofl

Oh goodness, well, I was seconds away from mentioning "Naruto half nekkid and smothered in oil" but I chose to end my initial post with "I'm all about NAruto and that book" because well, I was lazy. Shameful of me I know. :darn But for realz, I'm off Sasuke's pecks now because they are essentially mutilated and thus not worthy of such fixation. :p ONWARD TO NARUTO HALF NEKKID AND SMOTHERED IN OIL!! :XD

[Sergedo]

I remember Jiraiya said that he had a hunch that Madara was the one who summoned the 9 tails.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/

[Mythsoul]

hmmm ...So sasuke did BS Madara as well....so he went ape shit on Madara....wonder if it was to show him he was revenge psycotic power hungry punk.....or to psych him out....and let him believe he has him on the palm of his hand......can't really tell now....and I wonder what did the book contain ...that Naruto is all tears..

[makko]

You forget that Madara use the 9tail when fighting Senju Harashima, therefore the 9tail would have know Madara from that fight.

I didn't know that. Do you remember where that was stated?

[vintagemistakes]

we all know that all that which sasuke said was not true.... you know what sasuke's intentions are?
to kill madara..... yes to kill madara.... not the elders, the elders will end up sacrificing themselves...

i got another question if madara so powerful why doesnt he kill the elders himself... why doesnt madara do anything he can just pop up inside the elders homes kill them and dissaper like nothing ever occured.....
To Madara the Elders/Danzo are probably just trivial pieces in his ultimate goal of destroying Konoha. But keeping them alive does serve a purpose. He's able to keep Sasuke around by promising him that if he continues to follow his orders that they can ultimately help one another achieve their respected goals.. Sasuke in his revenge and Madara in the destruction of Konoha and secretly what ever he has planned for Sasuke.

[Bones]

I didn't know that. Do you remember where that was stated?

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-399/page010.html . Well it wasn't said, but the page shows he use the 9tail.

[Kusachu]

Random out of nowhere prediction:

Kakashi will die (preferably at the hands of Madara), somehow Sasuke will be there, and somehow he will, realizing that he destined to go blind, take Obito's eye from Kakashi (perhaps Kakashi will pass it on as his dying wish? *snerk*). Then, to keep his non-eternal eye from going blind, Sasuke will wear his forehead protector (which he will have to acquire later since he doesn't have one) over his eye like Kakashi, thus making his "coolness" increase to such an extent that people's heads explode when they look at him. XD

[5sealing]

I think it odd that 4 cloaked figures can go into lightning territory and steal a bijuu so easily. Remember when Itachi and Kisami showed up to steal Naruto they had to fight off three Jounins with more on the way! Lightning must have sucky ninjas or they have very unsecure borders. :p

[Kusachu]

I didn't know that. Do you remember where that was stated?


It was shown when they showed Madara fight Hashirama. Kyuubi was right there with Madara. :blink
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This may be a moot point, but it seems clear that the whole thing about Sasuke saying he wanted to kill Konoha was a flashback since the border of the pages is black, which is consistant with every other full page flashback there has been so far (as far as I know), so even if he wasn't BSing Madara, the flash of his dear old friends seems to have dispelled that compulsion from Sasuke. (Although, it is my contention that Sasuke was always acting not only on his own behalf, but for their protection as well.)

Speaking of which, let's look back to the bell test. Sasuke failed because he was determined to act alone, Naruto failed because he was hasty and foolish and tried to cheat, and Sakura failed because she was only concerned about Sasuke. My how the times have changed, yeah? Could they finally be learning their lessons? Will they come together again and ultimately "pass" as they did in the past? Oh that would be so gooey and sweet. <3

[Arashi Sendo]

Yeah, I really don't buy Madara's line of BS. Here's why:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-399/page014.html

He says that the only thing that can control the 9-tails is the Uchiha's eye techniques. So considering that Konoha was full of Uchihas at the time, why couldn't one just step up and do the deed? Surely there was at least ONE out of the hundred or so that had a strong enough sharingan to affect the 9-tails. Madara earlier says that the secret of the MS was passed on and that there was a tradition of friend killing among the Uchiha to attain it. That's how Sasuke first learned about it. He went to the secret Uchiha meeting place and, lo and behold, there were freakin' instructions waiting for him. There's no way there wasn't at least ONE Uchiha who DIDN'T have a sharingan powerful enough to control the Kyuubi 16 years ago.

HOWEVER, if there had been one (which, come on - there HAD to be) then why couldn't he or she? Because Madara was and is still the strongest Uchiha with the strongest sharingan. This with the fact that our beloved and intuitive J-man suspected that Madara was, indeed, involved in the 9-tails attack 16 years ago definitely points towards Madara being full of crap.
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Oh, also! Madara says that there was village-wide discrimination against the Uchiha (stating that "No one trusted [them]"). But... isn't that total bull as well? I mean, why would people lament the clan's destruction when they apparently "discriminated" against them so much? Why is it that people throughout the village, young and old, constantly praised Sasuke to the point that they were practically humping his legs? Was it guilt? Doubtful. Only the three higher ups, the Third, and Itachi were privy to the truth. Everyone else was probably thankful to the Uchihas for being such a powerful part of their ninja force and being so effective in ANBU.

Go back to the end of Part I and read the bits about Sasuke's childhood. His folks had it good-- they lived by their very own lake, had sweet digs, and everyone showered praise on Sasuke even before the massacre. Madara is full of the feces of a male cow.

[Csdabest]

Man im seriously confused on how Sasuke got back so fast. Technically he got all the way to either Hidden Mist or Hidden Rain before the shinobi could get back to their kage in the same country. While be broken down and injured and dragging dead weight. Im sorry. But BS. Sasuke must have obtained some Spacetime crap.

http://leafninja.com/images/country/World-2_0.gif Even if the went to the hidden Sound or hid in Konoha. There is no possible way that could of happen so fast.

[Askia32]

Man im seriously confused on how Sasuke got back so fast. Technically he got all the way to either Hidden Mist or Hidden Rain before the shinobi could get back to their kage in the same country. While be broken down and injured and dragging dead weight. Im sorry. But BS. Sasuke must have obtained some Spacetime crap.

http://leafninja.com/images/country/World-2_0.gif Even if the went to the hidden Sound or hid in Konoha. There is no possible way that could of happen so fast.

Its Kishimoto skipping the journey.

[Csdabest]

Oh yeah. I wonder if all of akatsuki is going to konoha. I mean ALL of Akatsuki. That would be shit. Pein kicks their asses. And just when Konoha starts showing an advantage. Madara, Kisame, Zetsu, an Mist jump in along with a brain rape of WTF IS SASUKE W/ AKATSUKI FOR AND WHY DID HE JUST THROW A KUNAI AT MY HEAD.

I think Sasuke plans on asking Danzo and the elders their side of the story. And there will be a huge revelation. To force Sasuke to kill Madara.Kisame is going to die. While Zetsu and madara is defeated. Peion going to retreat since naruto isnt there and Madara and pein is both going to throw a bitch fit.
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Its Kishimoto skipping the journey.

Would have been more logical to show the kage getting pissed then Sasuke returning. to let us or atleast lead ius to think Sasuke and co returned back afterwords.

[Arashi Sendo]

It was shown when they showed Madara fight Hashirama. Kyuubi was right there with Madara. :blink
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This may be a moot point, but it seems clear that the whole thing about Sasuke saying he wanted to kill Konoha was a flashback since the border of the pages is black, which is consistant with every other full page flashback there has been so far (as far as I know), so even if he wasn't BSing Madara, the flash of his dear old friends seems to have dispelled that compulsion from Sasuke. (Although, it is my contention that Sasuke was always acting not only on his own behalf, but for their protection as well.)<3

I'm with you. In the spoiler picture, Sasuke is uninjured, looking refreshed, well dressed, and is sitting in that same throne thing he was sitting in the last time he had a meeting with Madara. Considering that this is also in the black border as you pointed out, I'm with you in that this is part of a flashback. Kishimoto is backtracking.

[Kabuto]

Raikage's assistant is kinda hot. Nice to see that Kishi can draw females after all. :eyeroll

I hope she doesn't die :(


Hopefully you can meet her one day! Are you serious its a sketch just lines. That creepy dude.

[Marq]

Seems like he's BSing Madara. That speech sounds like something sasuke part one said. Remember Sasuke thinks pain is the only way to make someone stronger (that's why he believed Naruto was strong) so.. it's 50/50 for me. There is inconsistency, I mean his he really Bsing about destorying Konoha. Why would he need the feel to lie to Taka, last time I checked they had no interests in Konoha, so him lying to them seems rather moot. Sorry to say but I dont' buy the whole Sasuke is doing in act, because that would make a huge misunderstanding for Naruto. Yeah he killed Oro, but I view that he doesn't need Oro anymore. Yeah he took down an akatsuki, yet those two things had one in common, to get to Itachi. So all this chasing from Naruto was pretty much pointless? I mean why waste nearly.. what.. 3 to 4 years just for that? That would mean Itachi's foreshadowing was pointless, and Kishi doesn't just show that to put random speculation and abandon it later on. I don't know guys, I think Sasuke is going for the villain route. I mean yeah he still wants to kill Madara.. but whose to say he wants to go back to Konoha.

[91z4me]

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-399/page010.html . Well it wasn't said, but the page shows he use the 9tail.

Since the 1st Hokage in a summoning position on a huge scroll and Madara is up in the air isn't it possible the 1st summoned the KB and it is attacking Madara?

[Csdabest]

He probabaly doesn't.I want him to kill Madara, and the elders and chill in Oto with taka and his newly formed village.

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

i got another question if madara so powerful why doesnt he kill the elders himself... why doesnt madara do anything he can just pop up inside the elders homes kill them and dissaper like nothing ever occured.....

Because they have anti Madara barrier around Konoha! :amuse Seriously though, the fact that Madara didn't just do a space time jutsu and enter there houses and silently killed them all points at two possibilities: 1) As you pointed out, he probably doesn't want to kill them 2) Elders are veeery powerful as well
There is ofcourse the third possibility that Kishimoto screwed up.

[Darth Executor]

Since the 1st Hokage in a summoning position on a huge scroll and Madara is up in the air isn't it possible the 1st summoned the KB and it is attacking Madara?

No. Not only because the 9 tails is obviously facing the 1st but the 1st's mokuton is wrapper around the 9 tails' leg.

[pranabowjake]

Since the 1st Hokage in a summoning position on a huge scroll and Madara is up in the air isn't it possible the 1st summoned the KB and it is attacking Madara?

madara controlled the kyubi while shodai controlled "several" other chakara beasts, my guess would be 5

[Darth Executor]

Oh yeah. I wonder if all of akatsuki is going to konoha. I mean ALL of Akatsuki. That would be shit. Pein kicks their asses. And just when Konoha starts showing an advantage. Madara, Kisame, Zetsu, an Mist jump in along with a brain rape of WTF IS SASUKE W/ AKATSUKI FOR AND WHY DID HE JUST THROW A KUNAI AT MY HEAD.

I think Sasuke plans on asking Danzo and the elders their side of the story. And there will be a huge revelation. To force Sasuke to kill Madara.Kisame is going to die. While Zetsu and madara is defeated. Peion going to retreat since naruto isnt there and Madara and pein is both going to throw a bitch fit.
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I don't think it will play out this way, simply because Sasuke has to fight Naruto.

[C4animax]

Or jiraya was still around at the time, alone he wouldn't be enough to get jiraya, kakashi, naruto, yamato and co alone...now that he got sasuke and 8 bijuus in his possession it might be way easier for him to move...

That or madara lost the "half" his power he had when he was young and can't do anything against the village...until now.

[Revan46]

Definitely a chapter I'm not looking forward to. It's just some stupid flashback once again, I mean can't we actually get SOMETHING good for once?

[MangaUploader78]

Welp onward to naruto killing sasuke!! *woops* now after pein kills kakashi all sharigan users will be dead.:D...wait madara.. sasuke will kill him somehow.

[Bones]

Definitely a chapter I'm not looking forward to. It's just some stupid flashback once again, I mean can't we actually get SOMETHING good for once?

Well we have been getting EPIC chapters until Hachibi was taken down.

[Kabuto]

Some of these theories are absolutley terrible in this thread. Yes the elders and Danzo are incredibly powerful despite their age. Danzo competed against the 3rd and does seem as old but looks like he has some injuries, but in any case if he was in a battle to become hokage one has to expect he is highly skilled. As for the other elders they are wise beyond belief and always put the Leaf Village first. Sure what they say is irrational at time but they are right. Again they are both probably incredibly powerful. I would LOVE to see them 3 and Tsunade take on team Hawk if Sasuke has the balls to go to Konoha. Admit it everyone Danzo, Homura, Koharu, and Tsunade vs team Hawk would make for one heck of a battle. I just want to see what the elders are capable of.

[Banedor]

If Tsunade dies to anyone from Team Hawk, I'm no longer reading Naruto.

I have no problem with Pain or Madara killing her, but I just don't like the fact of Sasuke taking out a Hokage. Just doesn't sit right with me.

[Boomi]

I'm still looking forward to get some information on the book, and more importantly on the 4th. I want the 4th to have learned senjutsu an stuff and Naruto finding out the whole thing alongside the destined child bla bla...

that will be my UBER EMO Naruto Moment for sure

[Kabuto]

If Tsunade dies to anyone from Team Hawk, I'm no longer reading Naruto.

I have no problem with Pain or Madara killing her, but I just don't like the fact of Sasuke taking out a Hokage. Just doesn't sit right with me.


Kishi is insane, but I can guarantee that Tsunade will not die to the hands of anyone in team hawk. If anything the only people who pose a threat are pein, the paper girl whos with him, and madara. Kisame is strong lets not forget the battle he had against Team Gai. Using only 30% of his chakra he nearly killed them all. He has the most chakra in all of akatski and is suitable for any range of combat. He could put up an amazing battle no doubt against her 1 on 1 but Leaf shinobi never fight 1 on 1 it will probably be Tsunade backed up by a few other Jounin. But still Tsunade should'nt die so soon. They just killed of Jariyah the best character in Naruto after naruto. I just really want to see Danzo and the other 2 elders go at it if Sasuke is trying to kill them, they wont hide in fear they would most likely face him head on.

[binkansarariman]

WTF!!! The spoiler said very little about naruto and jiraiya's first book. And it seems the story goes on about sasuke-madara another lengthy conversation about hates for konoha..bla..bla...blaa... so what if he wanna go to konoha ahead of schedule, it is something expected!... siiiighhh (zZZ)

"Next issue: The Legend of the Gutsy Ninja"... yeah right kishi!

[southside]

I stll think the only reason they made a big deal about the crest on Sasukes shirt is because it lets the leaf find out he's joined akatsuki. It will be another big WTF moment from everyone in leaf

[lxnyce]

Dude, the spoiler is based on the pics. That's only six pics by my count. There are at least 18 pages in the manga. Sit back, relax and let kishi massage your naruto lust. Don't flame the mangaka before the chapter comes out.

[shinobi]

Kishi is insane, but I can guarantee that Tsunade will not die to the hands of anyone in team hawk. If anything the only people who pose a threat are pein, the paper girl whos with him, and madara. Kisame is strong lets not forget the battle he had against Team Gai. Using only 30% of his chakra he nearly killed them all. He has the most chakra in all of akatski and is suitable for any range of combat. He could put up an amazing battle no doubt against her 1 on 1 but Leaf shinobi never fight 1 on 1 it will probably be Tsunade backed up by a few other Jounin. But still Tsunade should'nt die so soon. They just killed of Jariyah the best character in Naruto after naruto. I just really want to see Danzo and the other 2 elders go at it if Sasuke is trying to kill them, they wont hide in fear they would most likely face him head on.

fighting 1 on 1 seems to be all Leaf shinobi's style except for hokages, the 1st fought madara alone, and the 3rd preferred to fight Orochimaru alone as well, which is great. It wont be interesting, at least for me, to see tsunade fighting in a group. If tsunade is going to be involved in a battle I'd like it to be a kage level one, so far we've seen two. and danzu most likely is a kage level shinobi so I can't see him hiding from sasuke.

[binkansarariman]

Dude, the spoiler is based on the pics. That's only six pics by my count. There are at least 18 pages in the manga. Sit back, relax and let kishi massage your naruto lust. Don't flame the mangaka before the chapter comes out.

yeah, u r right. thnx

anyway, looking from the way of hacibi i expect raikage would be like james brown or something.

[The Flash]

He probabaly doesn't.I want him to kill Madara, and the elders and chill in Oto with taka and his newly formed village.

sorry kid, This manga is about naruto. He will bring peace to the world, own sasuke's ass, teach him a darn lesson. Heck kishi.. please let naruto kill off sasuke.

[Remedy]

I'm a little bit worried because it could happen that Pain loses and then Sasuke would attack Konoha. I hope not because I' don't like the idea of Pain less strong than Sasuke at this moment. Sasuke is too much strong now!!!

[Rahan]

Welp onward to naruto killing sasuke!! *woops* now after pein kills kakashi all sharigan users will be dead.:D...wait madara.. sasuke will kill him somehow.

Naruto promised Itachi he wouldn't kill Sasuke, so Sasuke is safe.
To be fair, I am almost more interested in what trick will Naruto use to stop Sasuke without killing him nor having him executed after the fight than in the fight itself. I think I have seen enough Sasuke fights until the end of the manga, even if this one will be also Naruto's. And here, Naruto will have to show he can think. Because, overpowering Sasuke won't be nearly enough to satisfy him and Itachi.


I'm a little bit worried because it could happen that Pain loses and then Sasuke would attack Konoha. I hope not because I' don't like the idea of Pain less strong than Sasuke at this moment. Sasuke is too much strong now!!!

I can see Pein losing the fight, but then being brought back with 6 new bodies by Nagato, at the surprise of both Konoha and Madara. Either that or he isn't final villain material and the most overrated piece of shit of this manga

[Rahan]

I think it odd that 4 cloaked figures can go into lightning territory and steal a bijuu so easily. Remember when Itachi and Kisami showed up to steal Naruto they had to fight off three Jounins with more on the way! Lightning must have sucky ninjas or they have very unsecure borders. :p

Itachi and Kisame were in a restaurant in the center of Konoha. And once they escaped Gai and co, they weren't pursued anymore.
Taka and the Hachibi are in the wild. (because it makes to have bijuus who are the most targeted people in the world right now staying alone in the wild... err nevermind)

[jodi]

I don't care if Naruto doesn't fight Sasuke or even if Sasuke kills tsunade

I just re-read the PainxJiraya fight and I really want Naruto to kick his ass hard and kill him back to the grave he probably came

Pain is gay.

[Schabrak]

I'm a little bit worried because it could happen that Pain loses and then Sasuke would attack Konoha. I hope not because I' don't like the idea of Pain less strong than Sasuke at this moment. Sasuke is too much strong now!!!
Looking at your avatar, your oppinions could be very well biased. ^^ But even I don't want to see him being stronger than Pain, who should be the strongest ninja after "everything" we heard. After Kishis plot only Konohas medics and surgeons should be able to find his weakness. But he should lose anyway, he is a bad guy... You wouldn't be so happy anymore if he a-bomb-jutsu's your city/country.

To Sasuke: He is the jackass Kishi made him to be. What is not wrong, as Konoha can **** him now without great reasoning. Well they don't have a reason to hold back since his betrayel anyway. Both guys should just get a good lesson of asswhoping by Naruto.

[S.I.M Editor]

i love where the manga is going, kishi really is a good writer.


haha sasuke and pein vs konoha :o

that sounds good. and i like sasuke more now, or i respect him more lol. this is getting really interesting.

i wonder what naruto is gonna do, if hes gonna realise theres no way sasuke will change.

i predict as soon as they are confronted with eachother, sasuke slays down naruto, naruto just lies there for a while, somehow like generates power and then fights sasuke equally or something.

[Baron Hugenstein]

WTF!!! The spoiler said very little about naruto and jiraiya's first book. And it seems the story goes on about sasuke-madara another lengthy conversation about hates for konoha..bla..bla...blaa... so what if he wanna go to konoha ahead of schedule, it is something expected!... siiiighhh (zZZ)

"Next issue: The Legend of the Gutsy Ninja"... yeah right kishi!

Don;t forget that we have a spoiler of maximum four pictures from the whole 16/17 page chapter, Naruto and Pa's part will come, and not only in a couple of panels.
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I don't care if Naruto doesn't fight Sasuke or even if Sasuke kills tsunade

I just re-read the PainxJiraya fight and I really want Naruto to kick his ass hard and kill him back to the grave he probably came

Pain is gay.

Pain will get his ass kicked, and who knows, maybe he will be Narutofied before he dies, and tell the world of who is Madara, the real living one.

[Moon Stricken]

Man, i just can't believe the arrogance Sasuke has. I just don't see anyway that he can morally come back from this. I don't see him ever being accepted by the Konoha people, i don't even think Naruto who seemingly can change almost anyone will be able to help Sasuke, nor should he want to. Sasuke has found a new team, revels in stupidity and cockiness and obviously wants to destroy Konoha. The only fitting thing is for Sasuke to be killed, hopefully by Naruto. I would really like it if he never won a fight at all again, its just ridiculous. First he beats thousands of fodder ninja easily, then he beats Orochimaru and gains a hax power up and healing, then he defeats Diedara, then he beats one of the strongest Ninja in the series in Itachi, and then he beats one of the strongest Jinchūriki in the series in Killer Bee, i mean come on. He is way over-haxed and needs to die. And soon.

[chris188]

i think i already know whats the book about i remember when yirajia was talking to naruto's father and his mom the 4th hokage readed the book and it was the same book that the frog gave naruto and the 4th was telling yirajai about the book that "we wwant to grow our child like the guy on the book that he never gives up never go back on his words" the 4th told that to jiraiya
maybe the book says who was his parents it says naruto's names and also says how naruto is never give up i think is that just try to read the chapter 383 when jiraiya came back to life and give all the power to the frog right there his thinking before he comes back to life and thats where i shows the book...
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Man, i just can't believe the arrogance Sasuke has. I just don't see anyway that he can morally come back from this. I don't see him ever being accepted by the Konoha people, i don't even think Naruto who seemingly can change almost anyone will be able to help Sasuke, nor should he want to. Sasuke has found a new team, revels in stupidity and cockiness and obviously wants to destroy Konoha. The only fitting thing is for Sasuke to be killed, hopefully by Naruto. I would really like it if he never won a fight at all again, its just ridiculous. First he beats thousands of fodder ninja easily, then he beats Orochimaru and gains a hax power up and healing, then he defeats Diedara, then he beats one of the strongest Ninja in the series in Itachi, and then he beats one of the strongest Jinchūriki in the series in Killer Bee, i mean come on. He is way over-haxed and needs to die. And soon.
sasuke cant die b/c he is one of the main characters but i want naruto to fight him again and kicked his ass now cuZ the last time the fought naruto was on the floor sasuke were standing up now i want naruto to beat him and then make him understand and become friends again also idk why the ppl that makes the manga is making sasuke toooo cool and strong and the main character naruto looks like a nerd.. that cant even fight it doesnt have style to fight with normal punches and kicks etc like sasuke.... well but lets see what happes

[THETRUTH.com]

The "maybe know I can do it" probably pertained to several things. I think the way it pertains to FRS is to not heal the injuries after the fact but lessen the overall damage sustained.

I don't think the Cloud will attack Konoha. I do think Raikage will want some answers about the Uchiha involvement. He may think Sasuke is Itachi but why wouldn't he check to see the type of response he can gets from Konoha. Also because Suigetsu spread the news about Sasuke killing Oro. Most everyone should know there is another Uchiha not named Itachi out there.


Itachi and Kisame were in a restaurant in the center of Konoha. And once they escaped Gai and co, they weren't pursued anymore.


True though Konoha had just defended against a major attack that cost them their hokage. The Cloud is from what we know at full strength. Also since the lost of nibi they know about Akatsuki hunting jinchuurikis something that wasn't common knowledge in Konoha at the time.

[Aizen Sama]

I just wanted to make a quick point. Did anyone consider than in chapter 414 Sasuke thinking back to team 7 was actually Sasuke remembering a time when he was weak. Karin, Juugo and Suigetsu all used phrases Sasuke would associate with Sakura, Naruto, and kakashi respectively. Karin acted similar to Sakura in that she was willing to sacrifice herself for his well being. Juugo reminded him of Naruto when he said that he must keep him alive to maintain a bond, and suigetsu reminded him of kakashi when he told everyone to leave and that he would handle things.

Sasuke probably never thought of team seven in a good way and he realize that he was better than that. Thus he finished the fight with the power only Uchihas can possess that makes him stronger, in his mind, than anyone around him.

[Schabrak]

sasuke cant die b/c he is one of the main characters but i want naruto to fight him again and kicked his ass now cuZ the last time the fought naruto was on the floor sasuke were standing up now i want naruto to beat him and then make him understand and become friends again also idk why the ppl that makes the manga is making sasuke toooo cool and strong and the main character naruto looks like a nerd.. that cant even fight it doesnt have style to fight with normal punches and kicks etc like sasuke.... well but lets see what happes
Since when can one side main hero not die? Naruto is the main hero, while Sasuke is his enemy, his nemesis. He is selfish and that is why he has to die.

[Csdabest]

Man Sasuke will be alright. Gaara did alot worst than Sasuke. Got so many shinobi killed killed many innocent shinobi. was the trump card in the attack on konoha that led to the hokage death. Was killing people cold blood. Sasuke lies and BSes to Madara and everyone flips there top

[shinobi]

It's because naruto is the main hero that sasuke wont die. this manga can't end with naruto failing to reach his goals, that includes fulfilling his promises to both sakura and Itachi, and to himself as well.

[Strider's♥Death]

Man Sasuke will be alright. Gaara did alot worst than Sasuke. Got so many shinobi killed killed many innocent shinobi. was the trump card in the attack on konoha that led to the hokage death. Was killing people cold blood. Sasuke lies and BSes to Madara and everyone flips there top

Well, gaara was crazy , and just mental , and could have been easily institutionalized(because of him being crazy this has nothing to do about people fighting him or getting him in there or sumthing if u interpret the wrong way lol). Now sasuke, lets see what this dude is, revenge retard, emo, and his not crazy at all. Just dont compare the 2 sasuke never had a mental break down where he kinda developed 2 persona's.

But the flash back of team 7 does bring up sum questions to why he would remember them and still act as he is now... But when he was talking to madara that was a flashback. and the second to last page is sasuke telling him he needs to heal ...or is the 3rd to last(which then they are out of the flash back)t. Well w/e

[Rahan]

I can't believe Jiraiya put his pic on the book. I thought him being the writer would be some sort of secret.
Naruto is still at the first page. We may have just as many chapters of Naruto reading than of Pein "going to Konoha now"

[Csdabest]

Well, gaara was crazy , and just mental , and could have been easily institutionalized(because of him being crazy this has nothing to do about people fighting him or getting him in there or sumthing if u interpret the wrong way lol). Now sasuke, lets see what this dude is, revenge retard, emo, and his not crazy at all. Just dont compare the 2 sasuke never had a mental break down where he kinda developed 2 persona's.

But the flash back of team 7 does bring up sum questions to why he would remember them and still act as he is now... But when he was talking to madara that was a flashback. and the second to last page is sasuke telling him he needs to heal ...or is the 3rd to last(which then they are out of the flash back)t. Well w/e


Sasuke had his mental break down. To me. WHat Sasuke went through was worst than Gaara. Also it turns out Narut wasn't like ball face crying. Like awww thats such a sweet story crying.

Looks like this chapter is mainly on Sasuke and snippet of Naruto. Also. Im sooo surpised that no one has tranlated what raikage said

[vintagemistakes]

Man, i just can't believe the arrogance Sasuke has. I just don't see anyway that he can morally come back from this. I don't see him ever being accepted by the Konoha people, i don't even think Naruto who seemingly can change almost anyone will be able to help Sasuke, nor should he want to. Sasuke has found a new team, revels in stupidity and cockiness and obviously wants to destroy Konoha. The only fitting thing is for Sasuke to be killed, hopefully by Naruto. I would really like it if he never won a fight at all again, its just ridiculous. First he beats thousands of fodder ninja easily, then he beats Orochimaru and gains a hax power up and healing, then he defeats Diedara, then he beats one of the strongest Ninja in the series in Itachi, and then he beats one of the strongest Jinchūriki in the series in Killer Bee, i mean come on. He is way over-haxed and needs to die. And soon.
just an observation...you would make a more compelling argument if you said that Sasuke needs to be defeated and/or eat some humble pie instead of ending by saying he needs to die.. the later just screams out unabashed Sasuke hater. but like I said just an observation:)

the only feasible way Sasuke can die in this story and in turn not destroy everything that Naruto stands for in the process, is if he makes the unselfish choice and sacrifices his life for the sake of Naruto and his ideals... anything outside of that would completely destroy the "save Sasuke" theme that has perpetrated this story.

[The Last Uchiha]

I call bullshit from Sasuke. He is in no way going to take on Konoha. Have we learned notheing yet, Sasuke lies throught his teeth, ALWAYS! Yes he may say such things in front of Madara, but let's not forget the whole "Remember we are the ones using Akatsuki".

I'm starting to think Sasuke awakening a new power has given him the confidence to move forward. I think he is plotting to convince Madara he wants in on the Konoha carnage so Madara pulls Pein back for a while. Yet I'm NOT saying Sasuke is in favor of protecting Konohagure either.

I think he holds Itachi's dream of a clean slate so dear that he is willing to let all the Villages, Rogue Ninjas and Akatsuki go at it so he can watch them distroy eachother from the sidelines and clean up the mess right after. I don't think Kishi is about to turn Sasuke into the classic "fallen from grace" kinda villain. Sasuke has lots of potential and I can't wait to see what will unfold.

[Csdabest]

Yeah. Sasuke blantantly said he was going to give Orochimaru his life and afterlife to kill Orochimaru.

Sasuke is the definition of a Rogue Shinobi in the naruniverse.

[lentharius]

I can't believe Jiraiya put his pic on the book. I thought him being the writer would be some sort of secret.
Naruto is still at the first page. We may have just as many chapters of Naruto reading than of Pein "going to Konoha now"

If you pay close attention he actually just finished it. I guess for some reason the Narutoverse reads books in the opposite direction as in Japan, unless for some reason Jiraiya put the title of the book on the back and not the front...

[Emmanra]

I can't believe Jiraiya put his pic on the book. I thought him being the writer would be some sort of secret.
Naruto is still at the first page. We may have just as many chapters of Naruto reading than of Pein "going to Konoha now"

Kishi could have made it a western book and he's done. but i think your right he looks like he just got choked up seeing Jman so young with his signature thumbs up wink pose. The way he's reading on that leaf reminds me of honey i shrunk the kids. but it looks awesome being on that big leaf. Reading this book is going to give Naruto alot of Emotional and Mental Growth

[Rahan]

Kishi could have made it a western book and he's done

Yes. That's what he did, even though it's written on japanese. The frontcover is on the left, so the book is published western style.

[Strider's♥Death]

Sasuke may be retarded in his own special way. i dont think sasuke handed the 8 tail to madara without keeping sumthing in mind, maybe he knows that he cant start the extraction right away since pain is off sumwhere or sumthing, i say this because by handing over the 8 tails sasuke is across that line bought house and is chillin in his new pool. And then I got thinking about that team 7 flash back, i hate this but like at the same time, he is going to get back with them. And by saying that , sasuke didnt just hand 8 tails over without keeping sumthing in mind. But if he did(without caring that they are going to kill the 8 tails), and sasuke has definitely crossed that line and has no plans on returning, then bring on the action between him and naruto later on in the manga woooooooot. (but just dont see sasuke not coming back after he has told so many people he will lol)

[NNGirl]

I hope that Naruto will have more than three panels, and i think that all Sasuke story of revenge will finish with Sasuke having an emotional break maybe going crazy or falling depression.

[Strider's♥Death]

oh this is cool naruto has already finished reading the book, and it looks like kishi went western style on jiraiyas book